The Confessionals - 873: Aliens, AI & the Occult Plan to Make Man God | Isaac Weishaupt

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

Isaac Weishaupt joins Tony in studio to trace the ancient roots of today’s push toward artificial intelligence, transhumanism, and the digital matrix. He connects the occult pursuit of hidden knowledge with modern technology’s promise to remake humanity and blur the line between the spiritual and the synthetic. The conversation moves through Gnosticism, ancient Egypt, alchemy, secret societies, UFO disclosure, Silicon Valley ideology, and the recurring temptation for man to become like God. What emerges is a warning that the future being sold as progress may be tied to a much older spiritual agenda. If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890📕 Pre-order Tony's Book: https://a.co/d/0bJS3SaVBecome a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comIsaac WeishauptInstagram | YouTube | FacebookSPONSORSGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyIVERMECTIN: twc.health/tonyVENICE AI: https://venice.ai/theconfessionalsRUMBLE WALLET: https://rumblewallet.onelink.me/bJsX/ConfessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jyorkofficialOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - Babel BackAvailable on all music streaming services

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the occult symbolism to the spiritual battle happening beneath the surface of modern culture. All right. Let's get to it right now with Isaac. Let's go. All right, today we got Isaac Wysop in studio. How are you, man? Good. Thanks for having me on here, Tony. Listen, are you prepared to tell the world who you really, what your real name is? I'm taking the mask off.

That's right. I want a complete doxing situation right now, okay? I'm sure there's lots of people that would love that. Yeah, I'm sure they would. I think that there is a spiritual element. I'm not, here I go. I told you, my brain just goes different ways. I love it.

But I will tell you this. I think there's a spiritual element to, there's a divine protection on people's lives because we've seen a pattern over time where when we come under spiritual attack, there's attack literally like the online world manifests in our real life. People will start showing up in town. They'll start like harassing, texting phone numbers and stuff. But then there's other times where when you're not feeling that spiritual attack and all of a sudden those doxing efforts. cease. And you just see these like commonalities in these waves. And so, uh, I wasn't fortunate enough

that when I started out, I had the foresight to give myself a different name. But tell people who you are because, I mean, like, even, you can even go into how you came over the last name because it was like on the fly, if I remember correctly. Yeah. Okay. So let me, let me give those five to ten in a background. And if anyone, I have been very vocal in the last year or two about trying to get people to know more about the resources from which they get their information because there's a lot of misinformation out there. There's a lot of financial interests that are steering people off of the paths of things. There's just so much going on right now with the internet world that I think people need to understand where they're getting their information

from. I'm not saying you shouldn't believe it or who to believe. I'm just saying know a little bit more about where some of these people come from, right? So I've got like a three-hour episode I did about who is Isaac Wisehab that I did, I don't know, a year or two ago that people can listen if they really want to drill down, which they should. But the short version is I grew up in the 80s and 90s, always interested in like the darkest side of humanity. It's just who I am. I don't, I was raised in a church of the Nazarene, which is a, sort of non-denominational Christian. We would go to church three times a week.

I hated it. My father was a Christian. He would read the Bible, but didn't like the church environment. I don't know how much of that cue I took from him. Either way, you know, it was like a I call it like the footloose church. Sorry, mom, if you're listening.

She still likes, she likes the church, right? And I'm not saying I hated it or anything, but I had a hard time fitting in because my friends were like secular. And I couldn't really like merge those two worlds together. Like I was listening to two live crew and, um, uh, body count and watching gangster movies like menace to society.

Yeah. And like all this stuff and listening to ministry and Ninus Nails. So like my interests were very dark. And my church friends were not into that. They listened to the rules. And they were like, no, we, you know, we don't go to the movie theater. And we don't watch those kinds of things. And my dad was like, he was like a rebel dude.

He was like, no, we're doing all those things. And he kind of laid the foundations of like, you can be a Christian and try to do the right thing while also simultaneously, you know, kind of being a bad boy, right? Because my dad was like, he passed away in 2012, but he was kind of your quintessential alpha male back in the day. Like I like to tease him a little bit and say he invented road rage because I remember being a kid and like, man, because my dad was like a big dude. He was like a prison guard tattooed of and stuff. And like, you know, someone cut him off like, oh. that was your, that was your butt, man. I'm trying to keep my language clean here.

But like, man, he would get out of car and, like, go to the window. And as a kid, I would watch this stuff and be like, I'd scared, you know. Yeah. But, like, my dad was just like, he was about that action, you know. And so my point is, like, I kind of was raised with these two influences of my parents. And, like, they both have their beautiful positives and negatives about them, right? So I'm raising this church, not really liking it. And my mom was like, well, you got to go to your 16.

I hit 16. I stopped going. I'm like, I'm not doing this. And it wasn't like, I was like, oh, I don't believe in Christ. It was just like, I didn't like the environment, right? And so I'm stewed in the sauce of the 80s, 90s, and all the things I told you about, right? My interests, which didn't line up with what the church wanted me to be interested in. I joined the military, meet my wife, and she's Greek Orthodox.

And I get, long story short, I get baptized Greek Orthodox, go through the catechism. And I actually love Orthodoxy because it had more of a. mystical, reverent element to it that for me works. You know, everyone has their flavors of religion and Christianity and what they like and don't like. And what I liked about orthodoxy is like the people were very down to earth and they weren't, at least my experience of it, they weren't the same as like the Nazarene where it was like, well, you shouldn't watch this and you shouldn't think these thoughts and you shouldn't do this.

And I'm more, I take after my dad more of a rebel and I'm like, Is it something like legalistic? Is that what it's more legalistic? That sounds like what you're describing. What does that mean? Like legalistic, like, the rules of like dues and don't since very strict. And we don't, because you mentioned about not going to the movie theater. And that seems like very legalistic.

Like, we don't do those things. Yeah, it was. And this was again in the 90s. I can't speak for where they stand today. But back then they didn't want us to go to the movie theater with the idea that, because this is back in the 90s and the town. So I don't know what the doctrine was, but the movie theater would play porno movies late at night. Oh, wow. Okay. Which is disgusting. And I'm like, I don't want to go to that theater

anyway. That's disgusting. Yeah. So I don't know. They clean the seats? That's the question. They put down plastic sheets. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't recall which element of why. I don't think it was because they were like, well, we don't support that because they support pornography. And like, I don't want to go off the way else. I was just questioning. No, no, no. I think these are the important conversations to have because I need people to understand who I am so that when I tell them this information that's going to shatter their minds about what the occult practitioners believe that this world is, I need them to understand I'm coming at it from a place that's not, I'm open-minded. I'm not judgmental and saying, like, I don't believe this and you shouldn't either.

I'm going to present the history of the world and where they're taking us and how this all ties into occult doctrine. And if you are a Christian, you should be very alarmed about this. but like I so let me finish my little journey here so so for 20 years I was very highly practicing orthodoxy and orthodoxy is very intense at times like there's you know during lent like the castles will be like oh I'm giving up chocolate for 40 days and it's like no man orthodoxy it's you're supposed to and everyone is different you do what you can the church is very like They're not like going to whip you with chains if you don't do it. Like it's like it's your journey.

And it's like it's like cheating at CrossFit or working out or something. Like it's only going to hurt you. So you decide what you want to do. And we were talking about discernment and stuff. And there is something that when when I would stick to the 40 day lenten fast, which is abstaining, it's like a like a vegan diet basically. No oils, no nothing. It's very intense.

And the idea is that every time you want something, you focus your mind back on God and sort of like praying for, you know, satiation or whatever. When I did that, I for sure experienced a different world than when I did not do those things. Okay. So anyway, Orthodoxy was very powerful in my transformation journey. And I fast forward to around 2019, I became less active in the church because there was, because you get involved in the, the parish council and the sort of politics of the church. And that's like in hindsight, I'm like, I wish I wouldn't have done that because then it kind of makes you know the people and you're like, well, I don't really want to associate with these people. You know, like, it kind of throws a monkey wrench in it.

But I'm still like an active member. I just, I don't go regularly like I used to. I still, you know, do my prayers and try to stay focused on Christ and all those things. So I'm very much a Christian still. But I want people to understand that if you're looking, if you want to follow me, don't do that. because I'm not a good Christian, quote unquote, right? From a variety of reasons. But ultimately, that is my faith in my worldview,

which the only reason I'm bringing all the sub is because I think people need to understand that that's my worldview and that's how my research filters through, which my research started in 2011. I started a blog, IlluminatiWatcher.com. It was just talking about things that interested me. It was about various conspiracies. theory content that I had consumed up into that point, which was primarily Bill Cooper and

David Ike. And I was presenting is a very casual thing. I just had a two-year break before I started grad school. And I just thought, let me start a blog. And I started a blog and it gained traction. And then around later that year, a radio show out of Oklahoma contacted me. And they're like, hey, we see your blog because it had a ton of views. It was very amateur. and they're like, we want you on the radio show to talk about some of these wacky conspiracies. I was like, all right, cool. And I put your name. And I was like, ugh.

I don't want to tell them my real name. Like, because it was a really, you know, when you're new to the conspiracy world, it's like very dark and like, you know, spooky. Yes. So I, so I took the initials from the website, Illuminati Watcher, the I and the W, and I made a pseudonym Isaac Weissop. Because that's the number one question I get. Are you related to Adam Weissop from the Bavarian Illumaddi? No, I'm not. My name isn't Isaac.

My last name is not Wisehop. It was a stupid name. Don't. If you're getting in the conspiracy space, do not like choose the name, you know, Manly P. Hall or something because you're going to get all the

conspiracy people who are like, oh, disinformation bot and all this stuff. Yeah. So, yeah, so I started that, this Illuminati Watcher journey in 2011. It segued into podcasting and I've written nine books. I'm writing my 10th one right now on Twin Peaks.

And it's been a crazy journey. It's, it was not intentional. A lot of people today will pursue careers in creating content. And that's, you know, I was supposed to be a systems engineer. I did that for a while. And because I'm a little more introverted. I've sort of coached myself into being more performative because you kind of have to,

if you want to be a podcast or now or on YouTube or socials. So like you get divert, you get the Isaac version of me that's like very performative. Hey, look at this crazy stuff. And then like in my real life, I'm kind of a quiet dude. Like I don't care what people think. I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything. So it's kind of a weird world I live in. But like that's the gist of who I am.

And the information I'm going to present today is filtered through all of that. I can identify with that, man. I mean, and we were talking about this a little bit before we started recording the struggle of when the camera goes on having to turn on that, for lack of better terms in the moment, character. for full transparency because I told you that like I have a hard time faking. I wear my heart in my sleeve. And so like today has been just a pain in the bud day all the way around from just tons

of different things going sideways. Like even right now as we're talking, I had to send my manager Derek to my house to do things that I just can't do right now. And my wife needs done by three o'clock today. And like he's helping me out, right? But it's just like, gosh, you know? And then all of a sudden you got to turn on the camera like, welcome to the show, everybody.

I'm really glad you're here and I'm excited to be here. You know, it's just like, golly. I see why people get this weird like MK ultra-Skizophrenia, these actors and stuff. Because I don't know how you turn off your personal life and go act and go on the red carpet. And like it's it's got to be a muscle that you just build up and it you probably kind of pull away from your real self eventually. Dude, talk about fragmenting. Like they, it's like they do it to themselves. They have to fragment themselves into different pieces.

so that they know which one to pull forward. It's crazy. It is. I'll tell you, I, um, so a couple things you said here. One, the, the orthodoxy, uh, I don't know if people know this about me. When I moved to Tennessee, I was, uh, theologically homeless. Like I, I, and I still am in a sense. I don't fit just about anywhere.

I'm obviously very Christian, but within Christian, Christianity, there's tons of these different denominations. And I had experienced. some pretty, just difficult situations at church once I started doing the stuff that I do. And so I was kind of butt hurt about it and trying to blame people and give every excuse in the book why, you know, I'm not going to church kind of thing. And then when I came down here, I was like, okay, I think what we're going to do is we're going to look for an Orthodox church.

And I was like, I just, there was the beauty in it that I was like, I think this is where I want to go. And then I was telling you a dinner last night. My friend Josh locally here was kept on how many, you got to come to my church, man. And I wasn't going to a church when we first came down here because I was terrified to have to go through a process of finding a church that I like. And then when I liked them, introducing myself to them and say,

this is what I do for a living. Are you okay with that? You know, because it's a real thing. You know, if you're going to be part of this community, they need to know who you are. And so I was like, fine, Josh, get off my back. I'll come to your church. Maybe that will get the gears turning. And the first Sunday I walked in there,

my pastor walked up to me and he knew exactly who I was here. He already subscribed my channel. And I was like, hmm, interesting, you know. It's a good fit. It was a good fit. And it was a charismatic church. And I grew up kind of charismatic Pentecostal. And I was like really pretty sure that's not the direction I was going to go with my life. And then I once I got in there, the people, man, they just loved on me and my family. And there was a lot of older people that for me and my position in life, I really don't like hanging out with people to begin with. And so if I'm hanging out with people, like, it's because I feel like there's a benefit in my own life to be around these people. And when it comes to the people at my church, they were older people, a lot of gray hair, and they

loved Jesus. And they were not shy about it. And they loved them my family. And I was like, I feel like if I'm around these people, I'm going to be able to gain spiritually, pick up wisdom and learn from people who've been there before. I'm not really looking to get into a church that has a bunch of younger people or people at my age. That's what my mentality was then. I was like, I want to be around people who I can learn from. And so I just settled in at that church. And so here I am four years later. And I'm like, I almost went orthodoxy and then like charismatic's like the exact opposite. It's just like whatever, you know. But it's what you said about like filtering your research through your worldview. That I think is an important thing for people

to understand with anybody they listen to on content, whether it's my show, your show, or everybody else's authors. Like, everybody, I don't care if you say you're agnostic, if you, you don't have an opinion, your no opinion is an opinion. You have a worldview. Everybody has a worldview. And if you have a platform that you're sharing information on, whatever that information is, it will be filtered, at least at some point through your worldview. If you take sports, for example, You can't go through a ESP broadcast over, let's say, a six-month period without getting a sense of what the worldview is of the post of the show. It always leaks through. And so it is important that people understand your worldview and how that worldview inevitably will be filtered or your research will be filtered through that worldview.

That's just being human. And so I think laying that groundwork and stuff is important not only for you to get that kind of out there, but for people to understand this is who you. you are, and this is how you filter your research, and it gets dark. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, um, well, okay. Yeah, I don't know if, I don't know if I want to go that direction with it. Um, do people know that we're both from PA? We can. I can go that way if you want. Oh, okay. Yeah. I, I find it interesting because I, I, you know, let's put this way. Caddy. Like, like, Katasaka. Were you born in, in that area? I was born in Allen. I was born in In Allentown Hospital?

St. Luke's? St. Luke's? I was born in Alentown Hospital. Oh, okay. And spent my early, early years in Catasauqua. Okay. My grandmother still lives there. Okay, yeah, yeah.

And I, we lived in an apartment near the airport. Uh-huh. And- My grandmother lived right behind the airport. Oh, funny. Yeah, we were just out of street from there. Yeah, maybe we were neighbors or something. And I lived there until, I think I was about five or six, and then we moved to Lancaster, PA. and fresh cow dung.

Yeah, yeah. So it's, it's, it's, anyway, it's, it's interesting that I sort of befriended you and, you know, Joel Thomas because I think, who? Yeah, this guy named Joel. I don't know if you heard of him. Because I, I do feel a weird kind of kind of kindred spirit element. I'm not like glazing you. I just, there's something that. Feels good, though.

There's something that resonates with you two guys more so than many. other people that I've linked up with in this space. You know, and not say that I'm not, not friends with other people in the sort of creation space, but there's, there's not, what I'm trying to say is like, I try to keep a, I try to keep away from outside influences

because I follow the, the advice of David Lynch, right? Who is very much of, and I know this is an embellishment to say I'm an artist, but an artist, should find the thing that resonates with them most and express it. And that's what they need to stick to. And that's very difficult to do when you've got outside influences of people you want to get their approval.

Right. And like one example. And like I know like politics and religion and we're already talking. But whatever. Like I'm not a Trump guy. Get out. I know. It's crazy.

I'm not very conservative. I'm also. I call myself a moderate liberal. And that's a hard thing for me to say out loud because I've got so many friends in the the conspiracy space that loved this guy. And I was, I've never liked him from day one. And,

um, just because I don't trust him. I actually, let me clarify. I think he's hilarious. Uh, my, my dad actually met Donald Trump in the 80s.

We were at the, uh, they did a tour to Trump cycling race in 89 in Atlantic City. And we went. And, uh, I remember it was, it was me,

my mom and my sister and my dad and my dad saw Trump. And he went to talk to him. He comes back. And I was, I was young. I was like nine or 10. So my mom had to relay this story to me. I remember glimpses of it.

But he comes back and he says, hey, I met Donald Trump. He's the coolest guy. He's going to put me on his yacht. I'll be back. And my mom got mad at him because he was on there for a long time, like drinking wine. He was doing on the yacht. Yeah. And he was hanging out with Trump and all these people when he came back.

And he was talking about how great it was. Like, you know, anyway. So, and then I liked Trump, like The Apprentice. I loved it. I like heels. You know, watching wrestling. I like Rick Flair more than I like Hulk Hogan. Like, I like the heel.

So I like the bad guys. And I don't have a problem with trial. I think he's hilarious. I just, I don't think he, my personal opinion is that I don't like the politics that he, the things he does as our president. Because I think, I think a lot of people are like, oh, no, what matters more is your, your local candidates and stuff like that. And I, I disagree.

I think that as an American, I want to try to put our best foot forward. And like, I don't agree with some of the things he said and done. Whatever, right? I just, my point to bring it back to what I'm trying to say is that, in this space it's difficult to stay true to your own worldview perceptions and ideas

without influence of others so I don't keep a wide circle and you know you and Joel are I vibe with you guys regardless of we agree or disagree on certain things I don't know of course for human beings it's like and it's like Jay Dyer

right like I love Jay I think he's a great dude every time I get him on I get tons of people are like how dare you you know because he's a very controversial guy but I like him I think he's a good dude Sam Tripley. He's a good dude. I get a lot of people that push back on some of the people that I sort of associate with. And I think dialogue and allowing people to have their own opinions and beliefs without persecuting them is like the most important thing. We have to hear things we don't want to hear from, you know, from people we don't want to hear it from.

And that's okay. No, absolutely is okay. And it's, we'll get to the topic at hand in a second. But this is a good conversation, I think, because it's important for maybe even, you know, I've been doing, you've been doing this for a long time and I've been doing this for long time. In fact, you've been in the spotlight longer than I have. I started in 2017. So, I mean, I need to take notes from you, man.

How am I doing wrong? Well, I don't know. I've got to get to this studio, though. That's beautiful studio, thanks. But you learn along the way that you're an individual to have. your own perspectives, opinions, thoughts. You're an individual. You're not a mirror image of a collective opinion that you have to become.

You came into a space as an individual with your own thoughts. And the hardest thing for a lot of the people in these spaces is to recognize that they're an individual, stay true to it, and not let the outside noise manipulate how they operate. I went through those stages early on. I remember the one time I came out of an episode, The Lady, and I believe the lady had really dramatic experience. This is years ago. I can't remember her name.

I can't remember episode, nothing. But I just, it was like the first time that I got really hit hard. And I don't remember all the details. I just remember I'm driving my track to trailer. And she said something on the show that people said, this sounds like she's just reading from a creepy pasta. And I was like, well, what's a creepy pasta? I had to go look it up.

And I started hyperventility. I had to pull my truck over. I was getting lightheaded because I thought I tanked my show. I thought that I ruined everything. And it's because at that early point, all the outside voices were getting thrown at me. And I had this perspective that I had to be what every individual in the world that listened to me wanted out of me. And I'm also an individual.

So I had, like, they talk about MK Ultra fragmenting. Like, I was fragmenting myself for thousands of people trying to be everything. So everybody's happy. And when you just reverse that and you just come to this understanding that, I will never be enough for everybody. And all I can be is truly enough for who I am and the people around me, my wife, my family, my God. Everything else is just literally, not even outside noise. They're like two towns over.

I don't even hear them. You know, I'm just going to be in my world. I'm going to do what I'm convicted of, how I view things, where my heart is, and everything else will have to fall in the place. And that means the platform ceases to exist. I'm okay with that because I didn't fragment myself willfully. Yeah, I mean, yeah. It's just like, that's real talk. You just got to, you just have to be honest with who you are, be happy with who you are, and not be happy with you who you are. I'm a big proponent, like, dude, we're all individuals and we suck. There are parts about us that are terrible and we need to fix. Like, so they'll be happy with everything.

But like, understand who you are and just like keep your priorities very central, which for you would be your wife, you know? Like, does she call you Isaac at home? No. Perfect. Let's keep it that way. Yeah. Right.

Does that make sense though what I'm trying to say? Like, I just, and again, this conversation, we're going to get into another conversation here, but like you start, you start out telling people about who you are, we're just vibing right now. Like, there is, and maybe it's good that we pull the curtain back a little bit. And let people see, they see Isaac Wysop, they see Tony Merkel, two different platforms, and they know when they tune into your platform, they're going to get something, a specific type of thing. And that specific type of thing, though, isn't you 24 hours a day. You are an individual.

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So anyways. Well, it's the, the, the trope of every song, every artist has ever said ever is like, you got to be yourself. And you don't realize how difficult all that is until you put yourself out there. Yeah. To the internet full of degenerates and bots and Lord knows what else. Yeah. And then genuine people's opinions.

And when they get on you, like, that's when the rubber meets the road. And you're like, oh, and it's actually very difficult. Like, people don't understand that until, because, you know, there's people that don't put themselves out there. And they're like, well, yeah, I'm just going to be myself. Like, why is that such a prolific statement to be made? And it's, it's different. When you're in the public eye or whatever, this is, this weird internet space that we've created, it's, it's humbling and it's your, you know, I'll read one bad comment.

and it's like in my head for hours. And I'm just like, maybe I am an idiot. You know, and it's, it's, it's very difficult. And you know, you got to respect the artists for trying to sort of push that message out there, drill it into your brain to the point of just accepting it. And I've always liked this sort of amateur underground artists and stuff that they don't blow up, but they're like really genuine and authentic to themselves. And I try to embrace that, but it's actually very difficult.

Yeah, it's very difficult. But, I mean, the other option is to shut it all down, power down, and disappear. Which might happen one day. You never know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not planning on it, but, I mean, you just never know. I mean, I'm very open to whatever God's will is for my life. So, like, if he, like, right now I'm in this transition period right now where he's opening

doors for me to preach at church. It's like next Friday I'm going to a church and I'm being brought in to preach there. And so, like, there's these different doors that are being opened that maybe one day, God says, all right, that chapter is now closing. I'm opening a new chapter for your life. And my job is just the willingness to follow whatever that will is for my life, you know? Yeah. And I think that that's, I think it's good, like, you know, and we can kind of call an audible on what this show is going to be in a way.

Because I think we're really touching on some really important topics, like from a high-end conversation of the occult. and their beliefs and structures which are kind of more of what the modern world is into which is what they call like the path of Cain you know because

the path of Cain is more of self-seeking and what they call like antinomianism and left-hand path thinking of trying to become a God versus the path of Seth and trying to like follow the God-seeking

and I think ultimately, like, those are the two competing doctrines. And with the advent of the internet and social media and people chasing clout and doing this and that and the other, you know, because I, you know, I remember going up in the 80s and stuff, you would watch, you would watch movies and the heroes were the poor kids, the goonies, right? Yes. It was all about these poor kids and the rich people are kicking them out of their homes and

they're like, we're going to go find the treasure. And, you know, every 80s movie was that. I grew up East Coast blue collar unions and like you've got to fight the man. And I don't know. I think you have to, I think you have to choose like your your path because today, now with the 2000s, you had, you know, Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian selling you on. I'm like, hey, you know what's cool if you're like really rich and wealthy and you have all these brand name things and rap music, which I love rap music.

I still listen to this day. Yeah. But like those things are pushing. a materialism and a self-seeking, what do you call it, like an orthodoxy, they're called apotheosis is like trying to follow in the footsteps of God. They take it to trying to become a god, which is what every occultist, Alist, Alist, Alist, and so on, try to pursue, right? So I think that the, I think that with UFO disclosure and aliens and so on, I think that what it is is, is that's a manifestation of this.

doctrine of man becoming God. But, but, but, but and it goes back like, you know, originally we were going to talk about some of the timeline stuff of how we still can. I do think, I think it applies to this. Okay. Yeah, okay. Let's do that then. Yeah.

Do whatever, do whatever you want to go right now. But I'm just saying, like, I don't, I don't, I don't, you don't need to scrap that because I think that the timeline of the occult getting us to here is very important for us to understand with a key phrase of what you just said, which is, uh, getting man to, to, to want to become a God. that is the history. Like, you look at the book of Enoch, there's been this constant push

to ascend to the next level. And that is, that is a long time ago that started. Yeah. And you just, you're seeing that evolve throughout time, throughout technology, through, like, you brought up the disclosure into AI. It has this common thread that I think is important to pull out.

All right, let's do it then. I think, so people have to understand, what Gnosticism is, and I'm sure a lot of the stuff I'm going to say today, you are well aware of all these things. But I'm going to explain it for people who maybe don't. So there's a competition back when Christ was around of what Christ's message was, who he was, and all those things. And the modern day form of Christianity is, you know, Christ is, I'll speak from an orthodox perspective. Christ is God. He is the Holy Trinity, God, the Father, God, the Son, God, the Holy Spirit. the Gnostics didn't really buy into that.

They believe in an idea that we are living in a prison planet from a false god. And Christ was sent here to try to wake us up like the Sophia, this Gnostic wisdom goddess. So there's a Gnostic perspective that has persevered. And it's the idea, and you see it popularized with ideas. I think it's a Trojan horse through flat earth society stuff. And it's like the simulation theory. like, oh, this is just a big computer program. And that lends self to Gnosticism.

The film The Matrix, right? Which is like my favorite film of all time. Yeah. That shows you basically the Gnostic philosophy is that we're just trapped in this prison planet. And the ultimate goal is to ascend and break free and go to where the real God is in the pleroma. And it gets in the weeds. Like the Gnostic doctrine is, it's kind of wild. They think that, you know, God had these perfected opposing pluroma.

polarities and out in the pleroma. And one of those opposing polarities where the Sophia goddess of wisdom was, she said, you know what, I'm going to become God too. And she burst this entity called the Aldoboeth. And the Ayteboath was this sort of heinous thing. And she was like, I got to kick the Aldozovah out of here before the real God finds me, the divine, they call it, right? So she kicks the altaboth out of this pleroma.

And the out of both is just floating around the ether. is like, you know what, I'm going to, I'm, I'm going to, I remember seeing that there was a God and a hierarchy. I'm going to create my own earth, my own world. So the, the Altebollah creates this false prison planet and says, you will worship me and wants to keep people ignorant so that we're trapped in here. We have to reincarnate and exist in this, this prison planet hellscape forever. That's how the Gnostic view this reality. And obviously, there's, No real way of testing that. But the out of both sort of created the world through the demiurge.

It gets into like really kind of out there stuff, not really necessary to understand the basic concepts. But anytime you see people talking about like, oh, we're living in a simulation, which a lot of the Silicon Valley technocrats have been saying because they're behind this dark and lightening thing, which we'll get to, right? Because they want to push singularity talk and they want to push us in this digital matrix. We've got a ways to go until we get there. So the Gnostics believe that, you know, we know the story of Adam and Eve, right? They're put in the Garden of Eden. The Christian version is that God was like, here you go, enjoy the garden, just don't eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and you're straight, right?

And then here comes the serpent, deceives Eve and is like, hey, you know, you can become like God, I will open your eyes, just eat this apple from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. she eats the apple. The Christian version of the story at this point is that God having mercy on Adam and Eve says, oh no, they ate from the fruit I told them not to. I've now got to cast them out of the Garden of Eden. Otherwise, they're going to be basically vampires and live here forever, and it's going to be torture for them because now they're corruptible, you know.

And so God cast them out. Well, the Gnostic version of the story is that the serpent, Lucifer comes to Eve and says, hey, you should eat the apple. Eve says, hey, God said, that's the one thing I can't do. The serpent says, don't you see it's a false God, though? And she's like, no, that's God. He loves me, right? And the serpent's like, well, here's the deal.

He sets up like this paradox. He's like, God says you shouldn't eat the apple of the knowledge of good and evil. Why would he do that? And she's like, well, I don't know. He just said not to do it. And he's like, well, the reason why is it's a test, right? It's either a test. And God wants you to pass the test by eating the apple and saying, hey, I pursued wisdom.

Look at me. I'm going to be like you. This is exactly what you wanted, like a father raising a child. And then she's like, well, I don't know about that. He said, just don't do that. And then the serpent's like, okay, so if that's not the case, then it's a false God. And he's trying to imprison you here. And this is, you know, you're subservient.

and you're being led through ignorance. So either way isn't good then. So he convinces her to try the apple. And if you read the Bible, it says something to the effect of God has to cast them out. Because the serpent promised that they would be basically immortal. They would become like gods and live forever and all this stuff. Well, he has to cast them out before they eat from the tree of life because that would lock them in. And the serpent didn't lie.

Like the Nostas, like, the serpent didn't lie. And the Bible kind of agrees with that. The serpent didn't really lie. The serpent said, you will become like gods. So in a sense, it was correct, but it's like any other Faustian bargain, right? There's implications. It's like every movie you've ever seen. There's these implications of the contract, like the Satan is the deceiver.

And he's like, hey, like, you can become like gods. And like, it puts her up and sets her up for this failure. And she fails, right? Yeah. So he deceives at the beginning. The Gnostics view this as, like, no, he is the Lucifer, the liberator, he broke them free from the imprisonment of this false God. And they've been trying to wake up society about this ever since, thousands of years, right?

And then from Adam and Eve, you've got Kane, right? And Kane commits the first murder, the first act of violence. And in the Christian faith, we look at that and we say, like, oh, that's a bad thing. Mark of Kane, he's cast out. And the Gnostics are like, no, no, no. he was pursuing wisdom, much like Eve eating the apple. He was pursuing the wisdom, and this is to be admired, because he was embracing what they call antinomianism, left-hand pathism.

And that's this idea that, like we talked about earlier, you've got the path of Seth, which is God-seeking, following God's commandments, or the path of Cain, which is to break free from those and be self-seeking. And there's like this book, I recommend almost every show I do. I recommend, if you want to know the occult, read Lords of the Left Hand Path by Stephen Flowers, because he tells you all this stuff. And the idea is that the left-hand pathers, they don't view this as like good and evil. They view it as in the stream of consciousness of God, like Seth, or outside the stream of consciousness of God,

which is what they pursue, because they think there's great power to be had. And this goes into a variety of very in the weeds thinking, like from Kenneth Grant, there's this idea that, on the dark side of the tree of life, there's these powers through demonic entities that you can use to whatever, right? But let's not get there yet. So, Kane becomes this sort of archetype of the forbidden acts of violence.

And then from his bloodline, you've got Tubal Kane, which is admired by Freemasons, right? It's like the password for the master Mason degree. and two ball cane is admired again because he's like this prometheus character he's the blacksmith that showed how to make weapons and this is basically the early primitive form of technology uh and again it's about driving humanity towards the materialism of civilization versus like the spirituality of god and christ and all these things so tubal cane uh comes into the picture

and you know i should also point out because symbolism is very important. I'll talk about that all the time. Symbolism of two ball cane is literally two balls in a cane. It's like 007, which we'll come out later with John D. But anyway, so you've got all these sort of events from the book of Genesis happening. And then from there, by reading the books of Enoch, we can talk about, and I'm sure you've talked about this countless times. Keep going on. You're fine. But the watchers are these like 200, according to the Book of Enoch, the watchers are these 200 fallen angels and you can like chime in and correct and adjust. The watchers, they come to earth

because they want to be with the women, right? Who can blame them? I love women too. They're great. But the problem is they have to take a pact to do so. They take a curse pact. No turning back. Yeah. So again, it's kind of, like the Luciferian serpent in the garden, kind of the Faustian bargain

with Eve. So they come to Earth, they teach mankind about conjurations, charms, basically ritual magic. And when we talk about magic, we're not talking about David Copperfield stage magic. We're talking about they believe that they can

actually change the universe according to their will. Again, it's the self-seeking path of becoming God. They think they can create the reality that they envision. It's interesting. And those things kind of with quantum thinking and a lot of this neuroscience that's coming out today that says like, hey, you know, you filter your own reality and the double slit experiment. And like, it gets into all kinds of kind of interesting philosophies and ideas.

So, excuse me. You're good. So, um, so the watchers come down. They procreate with the women. They make a race called the Nephilim, which are these giants, right? The Nephleem are doing all this occult stuff. including cannibalism. And God's watching all this.

He's like, man, this is not, this is not what I intended, none of this. So he determines he's going to do the flood and sort of start over in a way, right? Now, what's interesting is that sort of fun fact, side note, I did a three-part series on the Hoover Dam, because the Hoover Dam is packed full of symbolism of, they call like Satan's throne, because there's all these strange sculptures and things.

and the sculptor for Hoover Dam was a guy named Oscar Hansen and I tracked down his book called Beyond the Cherubim and in the book it's very odd he it's a hard read

because he kind of goes between like real world factual stuff and sort of like dream sequences and he talked about the Nephalima bunch he calls him like the sun's a renown

there's this whole section on it and he also has a whole section about how the atomic bomb opened a portal for evil, which we'll talk about later as well. Let me just tell you something. You're saying that a couple of times. We'll talk about later. If you don't bring it up, they're going to crucify you.

You better make sure you feel these holes in because they'll be like, he never said. And I'm going to forget to bring it up. We're doing it. Don't you worry. So you have the flood, right? And this is, you know, Mesopotamia is the cradle of civilization. And this is where you get all of those ancient aliens, theorist stuff, right? You got the Anunaki, which is supposedly the planet Nuburu, Planet X.

They created the human race to be slaves, to mine gold so I can take it back to their atmosphere. Kind of like wacky stuff, right? But there's this idea of real life aliens and gods that exist all the way back to Mesopotamia. Okay, that's the point I'm trying to get at here. And then in a post-flood, it perseveres. You've got these sort of demonelior. like Gilgamesh, who was the first sort of transhuman. And I'm not saying transgender. I'm saying transhuman, meaning a mixture of human with something else. So with the post-flood, you also get Babylon, which Babylon's important to these occultists.

Because, you know, they had the, they, they built the first temple of Solomon using demons. And in the first 70, there was like 70. there was like the thought is that he had like 70 some demons under his control yeah there's this there's this text called the lesser key of solomon that he was that you see all these sigils for different entities and and demons that supposedly he used this uh seal of solomon or the key of solomon which um the ring of solomon that's what it was they're with his ring he had control of them right yeah and and there's different interpretations of what the ring is and some people say suggest it was basically symbols and sigils that he was using to conjure up entities and

force them to build this temple. It's also very strange. And that goes into all kinds of different pop culture because my whole thing is I like to see occult symbolism in pop culture and talk about it. I wouldn't plug your podcast on that one. Oh, okay. Accult symbolism and pop culture. That's the name of this podcast.

So like hereditary, you'll see these sigils for particular entities. and then what's another going, Twin Peaks. The literal same sigils from the lesser key of Solomon from this ancient text and grim wire, you'll see on these shows. So the people in Hollywood and stuff making these works of fiction are literally referencing actual occult doctrine.

So in Babylon, they build the tower of Babel. Again, it's this idea of the sort of Prometheus stealing fire from the gods and man proving that they can become God. and they build this tower up to the heavens. And God was like, hey, that's not what I'm trying to do with you guys either. Swites them and breaks it down and spreads them out. Then their languages, you know, mixed up so that they can't sort of come together again

and sort of become gods, which is where the whole internet AI thing is the modern tower of Babel, right? So after the Babylonian stuff, we have the big empires, right? You've got the Roman Empire, ancient Egypt, ancient Greece, and all of these cultures are talking about gods as if they're real life things. It's hard for us to understand with our frame of reference because we're like, well, of course you weren't talking to real gods. It was like, you guys were making this up. But for them it was real, okay? And ancient Egypt is where there's a concept called the Zeptepe, which is like the first gods.

And during this time, you had the god Thoth, who was the god of magic. And Thoth gave this sort of forbidden, quote unquote, hidden, maybe hidden's the better, you know, because occult means hidden. He gives this occult knowledge in the, what they call it, the corpus her, Medicum or the Emerald Tablets. And this is like, again, ancient Egypt, we're talking, you know, 5,000 BC-ish. We're talking a long time ago, is supposedly this alien, this entity. They call it a god, but I'm calling it an alien and entity. I think they're all sort of interchangeable things.

Teach his man about these things. And it's supposed to be this hidden knowledge. And it sounds a lot like the knowledge that the watchers, the fallen angels, were teaching mankind. And in fact, I'm not making that up. There's an alchivist named Zosimos that stated this exact thing. Same correlation.

Anyway, those texts will come up throughout history, as we'll find, as we go through my very interesting lecture here. I love it. I'm loving this. It's good stuff. I think I've really cracked. I mean, this is the result of 15 years of rating

through all this stuff that I'm trying to simplify it and be like, this is the, timeline. This is the lineage from here to there. And you are seeing an underlying, and I was about to make a note, but I'll just try to verbalize this the best I can, which I'm going to do a terrible job. But you are seeing with what you're laying out, and I think this is intentional on your part, you are seeing a parallel between, let's just say, what the occult history, historically it has believed and throughout time thought of these different things. And, at least the Tony Merkel

worldview, supernatural worldview of things, and you're seeing this paralleling that is, it's very interesting. And I come, what I'm saying is I'm not coming from it from almost like a fearful sense, like, oh, no, should I not be, no, what I believe from what you're saying, I'm starting to feel like and understand that, yes, the occultist,

also believe such things. It's just the perspectives on what the motives were behind certain events and things are polar opposites, essentially. Beautifully done. Yes, that's exactly it. And I think, and that's why. If you need me to do a lecture with you sometime, I would love that. Actually, because I'm planning on doing a lecture about this with pop culture references in a mix. Yeah, I think that's the key here. And that's why I'm going on the, at the beginning, I went to this whole diatribe, like who I am, my interests, my struggles with faith and understanding and seeing and having interest in things that are sort of occulted, right? Horror movies and bad music and all the stuff, right? And I think that I'm not saying we need to sympathize with the occult perspective.

I think we just need to understand it because the problem is it's insidious and they deceive us. If you are trying to walk the Christian path, these people aren't openly saying it out loud like, hey, we're not about that. I mean, you can kind of tell, but like it's kind of like a virus being inserted into the computer and you don't really realize it until it's too late. And now you're like, oh, yeah, the world's a simulation. We live in a computer program. And you're like, how did I get here?

Right. And that's been my whole, my whole perspective is we have to look at it through the lens of pop culture because that's what we consume. And it influences us unless you put some thought into it and say, you know, like if I, I watched The Matrix when I was 18 or whatever, and I had no idea that this was like a Gnostic tale and people believed this. And I just like, wow, that's really cool, man. Yeah.

And I can still think it's cool. I can still enjoy these things. But I have to like, understand like, okay, that's their philosophy. That's their worldview. Do I want to believe that? Yes or no. And, you know, then you make your choice. What do you want to believe?

What you just said is really interesting to. And we'll get back to where you're going. But I do want to acknowledge what you just said because. you said what they believe do I want to make that decision based in your talk about the matrix and it's like when you watch that movie when I watched the movie when you're younger it's like that that concept of whoever made this this is what they believe kind of thing wasn't it was just it was just a good movie but when you the more you look into things the more you look into things joel looks into things way more than I do I just I exist in in these mucky areas and just it just kind of seeps in and I have this general understanding of stuff But when you come to understand that this is not, it's entertaining, but there is an underlying reason for pop culture and what you see. And there is a messaging. And just as me as a Christian, I come on the show for the last year and a half, two years.

And my messaging has been very different than it was the first eight years of the show. This is my platform. This is what I create. And so how I view things and how I view the world is going to come through. Like we're talking about before, our worldview is filtered. Our research is filtered with the worldview that we have, right? It's the same thing with Hollywood and these movies and the TV shows. They are laying it out for us as to what they believe.

And yes, you can ignorantly choose it's just entertainment. Or if you open your eyes to it, you then are faced with the decision, do I want to believe this? Do I want to follow this? Or do I want to follow something else? or my traditional path or whatever, you know? Right. There is underlying messaging and all this stuff, and it stems from actual real human belief systems

that play into all this. Totally, yes. I agree. I think that's the whole point of the indoctrination of entertainment. I think a lot of people in the conspiracy space, they get really upset about it, and they go full black pill, and they're like, I read the comments all the time.

I don't know how you watch this crap, and I don't watch TV anymore, and I won't go to the movie. and I'm like, I don't know that that's the healthy way through this. I feel like that, I feel like movies and film and music, these are ways that we can connect with each other still. We can talk about them, discuss them, agree them, agree, disagree. I just think that it's more important to have the nuance and to not sort of shut down

just because you disagree with it, right? I mean, that's like, like I live in Utah, all and 95% of the people I associate with are conservative people, cowboys. I'm not about any of those things, but I love them dearly. I think they're great. You know, and it's not, I think it would be crazy if I was like, I only listen to rap music. I'm not hanging out with anyone to listen to the country music. Like, I think that's weird.

That's high school. That's weird. Yeah. In fact, I've come around and I'd listen to some country. I'm like, oh, okay. I kind of like Morgan Wallen. Yeah. He's from here. Like literally right here. Oh, really? No kidding. I don't know about that. I'm not speaking on his personal life. I don't know anything about him. But like the music's cool. I don't know. I dig it. It's not my cup of tea, but I like it. Yeah. Anyway, so like the occult thing is not my cup of tea, but I like it. Same thing. Yeah. We don't have to condemn others. And in fact, if you want to take the, because I know probably a large listenership for yours is probably kind of Christian, right?

It's become that. Yeah. I think so. I don't know, but I'm assuming. I would think somewhat, right? Let's put this way. If I was not a Christian and I came across my show, maybe about an episode, maybe an episode and a half before I couldn't stomach the guy anymore. So I imagine people who don't like me aren't going to stick around much.

And I think that the problem, for the same reasons that I have a problem with, you know, growing up in the church, is the same reason that a cultist don't like Christianity. And it's because there's this job. judgmental, like, thing about it of like, and I know, I say this because I still read comments and say that they're like, oh, you watch this, you listen to that. Like, you shouldn't do that as a Christian. You're going to burn in hell or whatever they say. And it's like always got, it doesn't

have this like love behind it of like, I don't know. And I don't know what the answer is of how to do it properly. But I just feel like there is this thing about being a Christian and trying to convince other people to be Christians as well that we could do better. You know what I mean? Like lead by example. Like, I don't know. Like try to be a good person.

Some of the best Christians I know, I had no idea they were Christian. I just thought, man, they're really nice people. They take care of things and are, you know, volunteering time at this place.

I'm like, that's a good person. And then like, I'll find out later. Like, oh, well, that's,

that's refreshing. I like that. And I don't know how much of that is just social media, posturing and, and, you know, it's a gross, world we live in today where it's if you're not being ignorant or rage baiting,

like you don't get the traction. Yeah. Right? That's true. And it sucks, man. It just sucks. Ignorant or rage baiting. I love it. Yeah.

So anyway, so like, so thoth, let's go back to the alien thoth. Because this is probably the most important, one of the most important concepts to consider is this ancient Egyptian alien god Thoth gives us the... this sort of forbidden hidden wisdom. And he also teaches man about alchemy, which is this, you know, alchemy means the chemistry or the transformation or the transmutation. And it actually comes from, chem is the word for black,

like the black fertile soil of the Nile River, right? Really? Yeah. I don't know that. Yeah. So there's, when you get into alchemy, there's a progression of colors from black, white, yellow and red symbolized by birds, you know, like the blackbird and the pelican and all the way up to the phoenix, you know, the fiery phoenix. And it's about, it's about, and you could argue that

Saturn, so the first stage is the blackening or the Negredo or the black sun, which they call Saturn. And that's, again, Saturn is like a whole another aspect of this massive thing. And what they believe is you need to purify. You need to burn something down. Like, they think that the, and this is me overly exaggerating it. So if there's like an alchemist out there's like, well, that's not what we believe. That's not what I'm saying. But like, the idea is like to sort of take your personal self and burn it down all the way, the blackening, the Negredo, burn it all the way down to what they call the prima materia and then rebuild it. And in a perfected way because we have all these imperfections in us, sort of.

And that's the idea of alchemy is to transmutate and transform something all the way through to be reborn as the phoenix, which is very similar to this idea of becoming a god, right? So Thoth was the origination of this, and it comes from ancient Egypt. And then the other ancient cultures, like ancient Rome, very important because that gave us the mystery schools, which is where they would, initiate people through theatrics and sort of a dramatization play, which is what influences entertainment, right? Again, taking it back to this idea, like, I'm always talking about pop culture being

this indoctrination of occult concepts. And, you know, we had the, you know, back then, you know, Rome, the Roman Empire sort of blended in all those areas. So, like, ancient Greece had the Ellicinian mystery schools. Egypt had the cult of ISIS. You know, Rome had, if you ever see Raised by Wolves on HBO? I haven't. Oh, wait, is that the guy that...

No, probably not. It's based on Roman mythology. It's based on Remus and Romulus and these twins. Jack's laughing because he knows I haven't seen it. And he's like, don't even try, Tony. No, yeah. Raced by Wolves was a really entertaining show, but it's packed with all this mythology and Mithraism and all this stuff.

Which, side note, a lot of people that... aren't losers like me that spend all day in the occult realm. There's a documentary called Zeitgeist that a lot of people have seen back from like the 2000s. And in Zeitgeist, the creator really did a disservice to a lot of Christians because he says, you know, Christ is just a recycled story from ancient cultures of, you know, virgin births, you know, all this stuff. And he tries to compare and he rattles off all these ancient religions. he's like, you know, it's the same story of ISIS and Horus.

And it's the same story of Mithras. And it's like, totally not. Like, it's absolutely not. Mithras was born from a rock. Horus was born when ISIS assembled the different body parts of Osiris and used those magic to assemble this Frankenstein body. And then she put a golden phallus on it and magically created Horus. Like, these are not the same story.

And in fact, if you look into it, the people called the Zyghans. guy out and we're like, why did you say that? None of this checks out. And he was just like, oh, I don't know. I just was messing around. And it's like, people believe this stuff. And I don't know how much of it is because they want to believe it. Bill Maher, I've watched Bill Maher for 20 years. He says it all the time. And I'm like, this is not, it's just plain not true. I mean, you could probably find parallels and like things that seem similar. Like, I'm not saying that's not the case, but I'm saying this whole like, oh, they're just stole it straight from this.

other religion. Like, that's just not true. It just isn't. So anyway, the, yeah, so ancient Greece gave us the philosophies that the occult would utilize. Ancient Greece, we had Pythagoras. And I went to school for engineering, so I have a math minor. We talked about, and this is, you know, the 2000s before I studied the occult. And it's funny because in the language of mathematics, almost all of the names were showing. of later in my occult research. And it's because the early scientists were

occultists. Anyway, and like, a lot of this stuff ties into like the Middle East with the assassins. Like algebra comes from Al-Jabur, which is created in the Middle East, right? Because there's a lot of occult thinking with different,

I mean, again, these are all like shows that are two hours long that we could dive into, but we're going to keep it moving. Because I don't want people to just be like eyes to glaze over. I don't know what he's talking about. So anyways, Pythagoras was kind of the guy that created the first secret society

and he was teaching the initiates all of these concepts and it was a cabalistic thing. Kabbalah meaning, and again this was like Gnosticism kind of. Cabala is kind of like a friendlier Gnosticism without going too deep in the weeds on Kabbalah. They think that

we are sort of these reflections of God and our mission is to correct or perfect the human state to become with God again, kind of. Whereas the Gnostics believe we need to perfect ourselves through the wisdom to break free from reincarnation and break free from this prison planet and join the pleroma where the real God is. So it's kind of like similar but different a little bit, but it's both in this idea of like we're

in this fallen human state. we have to fix ourselves, which sounds a lot like Christianity, sort of, right? There's a fine line between occultism and Christianity when you get into it, because in the most basic example I always talk about is, what's the difference between meditation and prayer, right? It's very similar practices, and the difference is with prayer, it's God-focused because you're praying with your relationship with God. Meditation is self-inward, right?

And I've done meditation. I'm not saying like, oh, that's devil worship. I'm just saying, like, you have to understand there's different concepts here going on. And meditation and yoga can be very useful for people. Like, I'm not, you know, I'm not one of these types of like, oh, my God, it's the devil. Don't do it. I'm just saying, like, you have to understand the difference. You know, God gave us a brain.

You got to use it. Right. So, anyways, Pythagoras. So Pythagoras embraced a Kabbalistic idea of what they call the law of one. or the monad. And this is very important. It's this idea that we need to, we started out as a spiritual realm.

We came down and we're in the material realm and we need to re-spiritualize back up into the spiritual realm again. Like that's the idea. And Pythagoras talked about this what he called the Law of One and this is going to come up over and over and over again

until we get to the end of the lecture where I'm going to tell you that they're trying to put us in a digital matrix to do that exact thing, to re-spiritualize matter. Digitize, I should say. So Pythagoras was one of the earliest occultist and started that secret society that you had to take like a five-year vowel silence. And, you know, it was kind of like the highbrow intellectuals of the day. And then in ancient Greece, you also have Plato, which is very important to things.

and you know Plato Plato was the early architect of what we're going to talk about as the dark enlightenment which is what they're doing right now to us Plato you have to understand Plato was a student of Socrates and Socrates was very defiant

on the structure of governments and he was even questioning to these ancient Greeks he's like why do you worship these gods like how do you know they even exist and they put them to death they were like, they executed them. So Plato was like, he saw all this go down and he was like, oh, no, you killed Sensei, you know, and so now he's mad.

He's mad at the government. And he advocates for what they call like the Platonic Empire. And this is the early dark enlightenment concept. And it's the idea that we shouldn't have a democratic society. We shouldn't vote for a leader because the people are dumb. They're mouth breathers and it's a popularity contest. And that's why Sensei died is because, We voted for the most popular guy, and he didn't like that Socrates was pushing back against the constructs, and they killed him.

So Plato, obviously very formative in a lot of philosophies. He was the early architect of the dark and light, I would argue. And he also had an interesting thing called the theory of forms. And this is important for pop culture entertainment, because he thought that all art was derived from the divine, from the cosmic. or these gods or whatever, right? He thought that all this was channeled in a way. And in, not to plug my book, but the dark path I wrote in 2017. We're going to get it?

Amazon or Audible or signed copies at occult symbolism.com. Did you read yourself? What's that? Did you read it yourself? Did I read the book? On Audible? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

For sure. Yeah. I like promoting people. So you said down like, I have no shame. We're going to double down on that. I will promote everything. I'm trying to not promote as much because people get annoyed by me, but I'm like, I don't want to tell you. I don't have an agent.

I got to sell my books. I got you. Let me do that. But the Dark Path is like my most popular book by far. And I talk about the idea of symbolism and how artists are through a bunch of occult thinkers like Kenneth Grant. Like they taught in Peter Levenda's books, he talks about how the artist can sort of make contact with other realms and pull information and stuff through. and that's very important. And that goes back to Plato, right?

The theory of forms. So Plato, very influential in the realm of the occult. It would spin off into what they call Neo-Platonism, which is one of the cornerstones of the occult. But he's kind of important in the scheme of things because, you know, Socrates didn't want people to write anything down. Plato, ironically, would write down his dialogues with, Socrates in the Republic.

And the Republic's important because it kind of pushes a Gnostic narrative. It pushes the idea. It's called the allegory of the cave. Everyone's heard of this, I'm sure. The short version is that people are in shackles in a cave and their whole life. And all they see is shadows on the wall and they think that's reality. And then one of them breaks free, leaves, and sees that, oh, this is the real world out here. And there's prison guards who are showing us, you know, fake things, shadows on the, on the wall.

So he comes back in and he tells everyone, good news, I'm going to break you free from here. This is all fake. The real world's out there. And they're like, no, it isn't. This is where we want to stay. This is great. This is the world. And that's, you can see the parallels there between Gnosticism and, you know, allegory of the cave stuff, right?

So, okay, so we go from there to, then we go through like the collapse of the Roman Empire. in the dark ages. And in the 16th century, we get the Renaissance and the Hermetic Revival. And what happened was the Medici family paid to translate the Corpus Hermeticum. Again, the Corpus Hermeticum that Thoth, the alien god in ancient Egypt gave man. It was like, here's the forbidden knowledge, arguably from the Watchers. And it's encoded with all the ideas of alchemy and all these sort of occult concepts. So the Medici family pays to get this translated and this sparks the whole ordeal. And all of the scientists at the time, like I said earlier, were occultists, you know, because you don't get chemistry without alchemy, right? Alchemy was first and then chemistry came later.

And all the mathematics ideas, because Pythagoras is very big on the ideas of, you know, the Pythagorean theorem is, you know, mathematical formula for triangles and stuff. And all of the occultists were scientists. That's where it started through Pythagoras. right? And they're reading the corpus hermeticum. You know, your Isaac Newton's, your Paracelsus, all these sort of big names in science and the occult. And they start incorporating, and of course, back then they were all Christians, but then they started incorporating some of these ideas. And the church is ironically kind of cool with it because they convince the church, they're like, hey, this isn't saying like Christ is wrong. It's just saying that there's this

whole other stuff going on in the universe and they're compatible. and the church is like, okay, cool, sounds good, man. And but then people like Galileo show up and they're like, okay, so I've been reading the Hermeticum and like, I think that the earth is not the center of the universe. And the church is like, now that it starts bucking against what the church says. So the church is like, nope. Kill this guy. Yeah, he's got to go.

Giudon or Bruno also said similar things. He was like, hey, there's a whole like galaxies and universe out there. like, nope, no, there isn't, he's got to go. They execute him. But what's interesting is that you get some of the most formative minds of our modern world from this era. This is like where René Descartes came from in philosophy. This is where Shakespeare, aka Francis Bacon, aka Sam Tripoli. I don't know if you've seen those theories. I saw him post something about that. Yeah, the guy says that he's the reincarnation of Francis Bacon. Yeah, and I saw, I saw the same. I don't know who the guy is.

I don't really care. A flat earth, by the way. He's a flat earth guy. I'm moving on. Apparently, I, we're going to keep going. So he, he had a video showing that, but also all these other people. And I was like, at some point, does people sometimes step back from what they just created before they posted and say, Am I reaching here?

You know? No, there's no shame. I was like, what? But that's the rage bait, right? Yeah. That's what you were saying earlier about the, in order to, I guess, make it in this industry, there's formulas that people develop. It's like rage bait.

I forget the other one you're talking about. But being authentic tends to be harder to gain traction in it. But I think, I would argue, it also allows you to keep your sanity. And it's better in the long run. I think people are looking for that quick thing. of virality and it's like the guy the I think he's I think his name I don't want to promote him but like the fittest flat earther is his name is that his name the guy who made this thing and I'd argue that he may have a lot of followers and maybe it's because people are like oh look at this whackadoodle and it's

entertaining and maybe that's maybe he's fine with that for me I'm like I don't want people to just follow me because I'm this weird circus act I want people to follow me because they're like hey this is really interesting I want to learn more and I want to like I want to make the right decisions for my life because I feel more of a I feel more of a obligation responsibility to make the, I, you know, I want to make the world a better place. I'm not trying to like rage bait people into hating other people and all this stuff. But yeah, the, yeah, all these great minds from that era were influenced during all of this stuff, you know. And you're Leonardo da Vinci's, which to stick with pop culture, right?

It's, that's the Dan Brown Da Vinci Code stuff. Like, because he was encoding all this Corpus Hermeticum into his paintings because at the time the church was like not cool with it. That's the theory there, you know. Anyway. So you got the Renaissance. And then from there we get to John D. which is one of the major figures in the history of the occult. I'm sure you've talked about him on this show many times with probably Joel, I'm guessing.

I'll get people. Go ahead and go into wherever you want to go with it. Okay. Please. Yeah. So the short version of John D. is, he was the astrologer for Queen Elizabeth, allegedly one of the first intelligence agents,

because he would sign his letters with the 007. There's that two ball cane symbol again, right? And the, uh, the 007 was supposed to mean for, uh, the queen's eyes only. Um, anyway, so he was interesting because he derived what they call the Inokian language because he was doing rituals with this guy named Edward Kelly. And they were trying to make contact,

with entities. They succeed. The entities, the angels, they called it. Because again, they have to sort of frame this for the church because they don't want to get burned at the stake like George Giodano Bruno, right? So they're like, oh, we're talking to angels. And the angels say, hey, you want to talk to us? Here's the language with which to do it. And it was this grid of characters. And it's supposedly the language that God spoke to Adam in the Garden of Eden with. And it does go back to the book of Enoch. But anyway, the whole thing was, he was doing these rituals.

He writes this language down, and this language would later be used by various occultists to make contact with other entities. So he writes this down. And then one of the strangest stories from John Dee is this, he makes contact with an angel named Medima. And he gets these visions of the pale horse. the whore of Babylon. He calls the daughter of fortitude.

And it gets all these like apocalyptic visions. And he starts thinking or is told that God wants him to start gathering souls for the end of the world. And the angel is like, we're going to make the end of the world happen by unifying John D. With Edward Kelly as one being, a unified being. And the way you're going to do that is you're going to do some wife swapping. All right. And Edward Kelly, natural thing, right? Natural way of thinking.

And it's funny because Edward Kelly was kind of a degenerate. He was like a thief and stuff. He had his ear cut off because he was a thief. And by the time the angel gets the words out, he's got his pastime. He's like, let's go. You know, and John D's like, he's like a little more preserved. He's like, I don't know about this. So they swab wives.

John D doesn't consummate. He can't make it happen. I'm sure Edward Kelly was fine. and so officially the thing doesn't happen, right? And after this point, John D is obsessed with eschatology and bringing about the end times

because he thought it was going to happen during his lifetime, which obviously did not. Now, around the same time, in Prague, Rabbi Judah Lowe was doing alchemy, you know, the same alchemy from Thoth that was trying to create a gallum, which is to animate a thing, right? Clay. It was fashioned out of clay, supposedly.

And he does alchemy, fuses some kind of spirit or life form into this clay, and the golem is supposed to protect the community. It starts doing its own thing, and it's got a mind of its own, and they're like, you better shut this thing down. Wow, I'll talk about foreshadowing for what's coming. Holy cow. So the goal on the way, it's kind of interesting, on the way, the Hebrew word EMET was on its forehead and it's supposed to mean truth or life. And to shut it down, he took the first E off and now it's just MET, which means death.

That's the official story. Now, strange thing is, I got to interview Dr. Jacques Valet, right? Very famous eulophologist. Created the internet. I mean, like, this guy knows everything going on. and I were interviewing for his book Forbidden Science 6. And in there, he talks about Prague and about like, he implies like there's something important in Prague. And I asked him on the interview, and I don't remember verbatim, but I asked him about it.

And he implied that, like, yeah, if we want to understand the phenomenon, like, we have to go back in time and look at some of the things that we previously had condemned, which to me in my mind, I'm like, I think that's what he's taught. talking about is the alchemical process and the gullum and fusing spirits into objects. Okay. Wow. So, um, interesting times in this, you know, 17th century, we also had, um, and, and I'm, I'm picking and choosing events that repeat the same concepts. Uh, Francis Dashwood starts the Hellfire Club. All right.

And this was like a secret society. they would meet and do basically eyes wide shut parties. I'm going to be careful with the language I use, but you can imagine what happens at these parties. All the elites would gather, they'd put on masks, and they would bring in men and women and do things, right? I want you to keep this thought,

but I have to ask you, this is just a little side quest of mine. Yeah. You said about the Hellfire Club, because I mean, a lot of the, I told you guys last night, you and Joel,

because Joel's in the other room right now. I told you both, I was like, I'm already prepared. for the next day or so to have you guys talking over my head most of time, right? Okay. Which is fine. I'm learning so much right now hearing you talk about this.

Okay. Hellfire Club. Now, you love Twin Peaks. I've been not shy about my affinity for Stranger Things. I love Stranger Things. I think it's season four, maybe three, but four. The Hellfire T-shirt. Is that something connected to this?

I mean, in the mythology of Stranger Things, not particularly, but it's the same thing. It's the Hellfire Club and the Hellfire Caves. And if you wanted to force a sort of lineage to the two. I do. I do. Okay. Because I also, Stranger Things is like one of my favorite shows of all time. Yeah. Season 5 we could go without.

Oh, you didn't like it? I didn't like the way it ended. I thought they were lazy with it. I had a little tear. Did you? I did. I love the show. I thought I could have done a better job.

Oh, okay. All right. Fair enough. I also have hot takes, man. Like, I like the ending of Sopranos. You know, a lot of people like that. Anyway, you know, Dungeons and Dragons. You were around for the 80s, the satanic panic. I remember my church was very much like, do not do Dungeons and Dragons. I had a friend who did it. And I, you know, I didn't pursue it because I was just like, oh, I don't know what that is. It's kind of creepy, right? You could argue there's occult concepts. And I did, I did many episodes on Stranger Things because of Tysen do, you know, the original

name was Project Montauk and MK Ultra obviously and you know 11's always in the deprivation tank and you know 11 of course is an occulted number yeah right and did you know like 11's the number of magic did you know that? If I knew it

I forgot it okay yeah because Crowley Alistair Crowley he um he added a K to the word magic to differentiate it from stage magic K being the 11th letter of the alphabet And the reason that matters is because these guys going back to Pythagoras are all about numbers and numerology and Jamatria. And God speaks to you in numbers.

It's the universal language and all this stuff, right? Because that's part of the Kabbalah system is this belief that there's this hidden code of reality, just like you see on the Matrix, right? The green letters and stuff. That's the same idea. And those characters in the Matrix, by the way, look very similar to the Inokian language. Anyway. Yeah. is the Hellfire Club.

You're talking about the shirt, right? Because their D&D club is called the Hellfire Club. I haven't, I'd have to review all my notes. I don't think there's anything besides that that's like, oh yeah, that's exactly the same Hellfire. But it's clearly a reference to it, right? Okay. Well, actually, no, okay, now we're thinking about it here.

Yes. Here we go. Hang on. So if I recall, the Stranger Things Hellfire logo, the Hellfire Club has a devil on it, right? I believe, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so the, I'm sticking out, I think. The president of, so let me explain what the Hellfire Club was for people.

The Francis Dashwood in the 18th century, all the elites would gather. They'd go underground in these caves. And it was a very anti-Christian group, specifically. Like, they would mock Christianity. They would dig, yeah, I mean, I don't know. You could argue that's a demon or the devil. Looks very demonic. Devilish.

They would dig caves, underneath churches. Like there was an inversion tactic there. They had to have it beneath the church. And the president of the club was the devil officially. You know, and they would do all of these sort of like debauchrous acts. And this is, you know, I think we put it through our lens today and we say like, oh, they're just like guys trying to get laid or whatever.

And I don't think that was the case. I mean, these were the elites at the time. And especially in like the 18th century, like they were able to. to get laid. This was something else. This was embracing antonomenism, going back to what we talked about

with Kane. This is about openly embracing dark anti-Christian messaging and ideas, right? That's why the president of the club was the devil, which is on the shirt

for the Stranger Things, Hellfire Club. So in a way, that's kind of like a connection, I guess, right? Perfect. Okay.

And Benjamin Franklin was a member of this club. This wasn't fringy stuff. This was the elites at the time and our founding fathers, right? And America was founded on occult ideas. This is not a Christian. This wasn't founded as a Christian nation at all. They were all deists that believed in this monad universal consciousness thing,

this grand architect, which is the free Masonic idea of God, right? Which is not compatible with Christianity. They'll say, if you talk to Freemasons and I've talked to several of them on my show, they think that they would they would advertise it as well to be a freemason you just have to believe in a higher power a god of whatever type you know it's up to you which sounds fine but there's this idea that the grand architect is actually just an idea for this vague consciousness god not a literal person you have a relationship with you know anyway so benjamin franklin was a member of the hellfire club and you know and all those guys were in like thomas jefferson wrote the jefferson bible which removed all the references to christ like they they specifically like deists they don't believe that christ was god at all like this that's very anti-christian it just is um so anyway so the the hellfire club was something that you see echoed throughout pop culture like stranger things a little bit uh

eyes wide shut being the most talked about, I would argue. I did a lecture on eyes wide shut a couple years ago in Vegas, and I need to reschedule to do another one of those because it's a fascinating a fascinating film to sort of unpack when you understand all of these occult concepts.

I watched it in the theater when it came out, and I thought it was boring. I watched, because I loved Kubrick at the time. I'd seen virtually all the Kubrick movies, movies. And at the time, I remember, like, the big sales pitch was like, oh, you got to see Tom Cruz and Nicole Kim and have at it, right? Because there's more, there's more in the, in the trailer to Eyes Wide Shut, there's more scenes of Tom and Nicole, apparently doing things than there is in the movie itself. And people were mad. They walked out of the theater,

like, what the heck is this? Like, there was nothing like that. You know, you're showing me weird parties and stuff, but there's so much cult symbolism packed into that thing. It's, like, outrageous, right? So the 18th century, we had this, you know, so the 16th century with the Renaissance, we get the proliferation of occult ideas with Medici family translating the corpus hermeticum and all these alchemical scientists and famous names in all of history. And then theosophy comes around. This is, I'm sorry, let me back up.

we had because I got to I got to because my whole thing is trying to insert the pop culture influences because that is super important to all of this because Francis Bacon said that it's easier to entertain someone than to teach them so they insert this messaging in the in the pop culture around this time well let me okay so I'm trying to stick to a timeline here so we got the dashwood hellfire club then you had the Illuminati the official Bavarian Illuminati established in May of 76, right? And again, I'm giving

short version very... May 76, what century? 1776. Sorry. Same time as the Declaration of Independence, right? Ironically. Or not so. So Adam Weisshop, of no relation to me, of course, as we already stated.

Yes. But we're good to remind people. Just to let you know. He's a professor at a Jesuit school in Inglestat. And he, his father had a whole library of books related to the mystery schools, like the Ellicinian Mysteries. And he had read all this stuff. He was a Freemason. And he came to the conclusion that Freemasonry wasn't going hard enough and trying to change the world to a new world order and getting rid of religion because he was very much like, we need to have a scientific government, not a religious government, which sounds very similar to what Plato was into, right?

and it's going to sound similar to what the dark enlightenment folks are doing today. So he decides he's going to start the Illuminati with all these like prominent people and he tasks them to go and infiltrate all these groups politically secret societies like the Freemasons infiltrate them, move to the top and then use them to influence to create this new world order. Taking a cue from the Middle East assassins, which is where that tactic came. from, which is related to Jacob Frank and sabotage Zavi and their tactics of at any means necessary, we need to make change happen. So the Illuminati, they infiltrate all these groups and it becomes a problem real quick.

And the Bavarian government makes all these decrees like, this group's got to go. Shut it down. And there's like four different decrees over the course of a couple of years. because they had a hard time shutting it down, because Wysop said that the concealment is the greatest tactic of the order. And they would all take on secret names, which doesn't help my cause anyway. I tell people I'm not, Isaac Wysop,

like, oh, boy, there's levels to this, right? They would take on secret names. It was, you know, and the order, it went by different names. It was the order of perfectibulus, and then it was the order of the bees, because bees are symbolic for magic and all this other stuff. but they would do their main logo

is the owl, right? The owl that you see a bohemian grove and this is a reference to the goddess of wisdom. They called it Minerva. You could argue it's a Gnostic belief in Sophia. Anyway, we're not going to get in the weeds with it. We're just going to kind of present that and move on

and I'm trying to say like this is part of the similar lineage. The idea was he wanted a New World Order, which was a scientific government, not a religious government because he was very anti-religion. they lasted about nine years officially and got disbanded. But the story is that because their greatest order was concealment, that they spread out in different countries.

Because Adam Vise, I've moved to the next country over because the prince running, I forget what country it is, the prince running that country was in the Illuminati. And he was like, come to hang out with me. So like, it's kind of foolish to think,

oh, yeah, they tried four times to shut it down. They infiltrated groups. Like, of course they persisted. And that's why they're, kind of the name synonymous with a, you know, structure, hidden hand government stuff, right? Then you get to the 19th century and Mary Shelley writes Frankenstein,

which would be the first science fiction story. And ironically, it was based on, there was a castle called Frankenstein's castle where a guy named Johann Dipple was doing alchemy. And there was all these rumors about him basically creating a golem. And that's what she basically has in the story of Frankenstein, which is, you know, I don't need to tell people as one of the most influential stories of all time. Yeah.

For a science fiction story. Then you get in the late 19th century Helena Blavatsky. And she was born in like Russia, I think, ends up immigrating to America. But she spent a bunch of time back east in Tibet studying Eastern mysticism and channeling these entities. She calls the entities the Mahatmas or the integrated ascended masters. Again, it's like disembodied spirits that say, hey, we're so much further evolved, come join us. And it's the same message of through the correct wisdom, the Sophia, the Gnostic wisdom,

which is she was very adamant to say this came from Lucifer. Like it's all in the language of what her and Alice Bailey were talking about with lucifarian ideas. Through this knowledge, you can become an ascended master and, again, break free from this prison planet and quit reincarnating and become something better with us,

right? With the divine. And she was, and she was tasked with popularizing the new age movement. So she infused the new age movement and that's why you know, your mom's

doing yoga and talking about carmic load and balance and reincarnation because she's the one that brought that to the West. These are all occult New Age ideas. But with Blavatsky, you also get pop culture. You get the Wizard of Oz. El Frank Baum was a prominent theosophist, and that's why the story has the Gnostic element

of the Oz behind the curtain. The Wizard of Oz. Yeah. Yeah, the Oz is the Yow to both, the creator of the false reality, you know. Because when they get to the, when they get to the Emerald City, which is playing on the Emerald tablets from Alchemy and Thoth, when they get there, Oz is, you know, behind the curtain and they realize like, oh, you're not a real God, you're a false God.

Wow. Wow. So that's interesting. I, dude, you are such a well of information. It's too much. It's making me crazy. I see it, I see it playing. out in front of me where you want to touch and something you're like, but we're just keep it moving. And I'm like, that's got to be painstaking for you.

It is. It's hard, man. It's really hard to, and that's the struggle I have with my, like my podcast is, you know, 10 years ago, my podcast episodes were 20, 30 minutes. And now I'm like, all these things connect and I got to go into a two hour thing to explain this, that, and the other. I'm like, how do I make this shorter? Because people's attention spans are not that long, right?

And that's why I'm working on this lecture to try to explain things because I think this is, it used to be I just would find little pieces of the puzzle. And I'd be like, look at this. This is interesting. But now I'm like, I feel like these things are all coming together and they're coming together fast with where we're going with society and technology. And I'm trying to build out this lecture based on the things I'm talking to you about and inserting the pop culture elements that are more familiar. so people can be like, oh, yeah, that makes sense or whatever. I don't know. I'm just going to throw something out here, and this is more logistical, but I'm going to

forget to bring it up later. I think maybe at least twice a year I'd like to bring you out here, just to give us, like, the direction. Yeah. Because, like, you see, and I feel where things are going, but you do, you're doing an incredible job of laying out the history that we're about to get into with what's coming coming forward and you're right it's happening fast and honestly two years twice a year is not enough but uh i'm not going to make you move to tennessee so but i just things have happened i just feel like

uh so you're telling me this chance i i just feel like with what's going on and i talk a lot about a i different things and stuff and and and i'm not shy about it i use ai myself but i i i talk about like these safeguards and and knowing what your off ramp is because these people are pushing this stuff like you're going to get into it. They don't have an off ramp. You're going to as an individual have to have an off ramp as to where do I exit this scenario. Because like even if you, even if you take that off ramp, you still will not have a choice in the matter. AI will still be in your life. But there's going to be a certain point where I think that we're going to have to be like, okay, that's not, that's the line I'm not willing to cross.

Yeah. And I know, I know just from talking to you, you seem to be the kind of person that tries to find the path that God's laying out for you. I think you take it very serious. And it's weird. Sometimes I'll have things that are the thorn in my mind that I can't shake. and one of the things I've been talking about for so many years is this idea of the digital matrix, which sounded insane five to ten years ago. And it wasn't like I invented that. I mean, this was from, you know,

when I watched The Matrix movies, I got really interested in these ideas. And I read Ray Kurzweil's books, what was it, the age of spiritual machines, I think it was called. And he talked about this exact thing with the singularity. And that's, and so anyways,

my point is that I've been saying, for years. The reason I'm bringing this up is we got to start thinking about this and thinking, do we want to live in a matrix and have our, you know, this is the philosophical experiment of the brain in the vet. Like, is this what we want? We have to think about that

and have an honest conversation because it's going to be very tempting. You know, it's the frog in the boiling water. And, you know, you asked me today and I'm like, I don't want to be, I don't want to be associated anywhere near any of these Silicon Valley insane technocrats. But,

what's going to happen is they're going to be able to, they're going to lure you in by being like, hey, that loved one that you lost years ago, like, we can replicate that experience. And that's going to be tempting. And I don't judge people for considering that or like the neuralink chip, right? There's people out there that have disabilities that that would make their quality of life significantly better. I wouldn't judge them for wanting that. And I just think we have to like wrap our heads around that. And that's not something you can do overnight. And these things are happen so fast, especially if there's, you know, God forbid, some horrific apocalyptic asteroid or like this Apophis asteroid. I mean, who knows, right? You're absolutely right. I'm actually two weeks

from now. I'm about to do a recording with a guy all about the Apophis. Apophis. I don't know how I pronounce it. But yeah, there's, what's going on in space might have a lot to do with that right now. Yeah, totally. I see that. I, I see that. I do a second podcast called Breaking Social Norms with my wife. And that's more of like a freewheeling conversational opinionated. And it's oftentimes me trying to like teach or something about the occult or whatever, me redpilling her, which she's full on red pill now. And now she teaches me things.

Good. And talking about different things. And she'll have questions for me about certain events. And, you know, and I'll try to find an answer for her. and the Apophis thing is with the Artemis mission. And I'm like, man, I just don't know what to believe anymore. All I know is, and I always say this, it's like, for me, all I know is like nothing changes for me.

I try to be a good person. I try to like, you know, live a Christian lifestyle or whatever, right? I'm going to keep trying because I haven't mastered any of those things. And I think that all these other things become distractions. but I do think that ultimately the big question is going to be like, do you take the chip in the brain to go into the matrix? Yeah, it's strange territories. It's coming. It's coming fast.

I feel like it is. In fact, I tell people, like, when I first, I've always been intrigued by conspiracy thinking because I remember being a child in the grocery store, they used to have these little pamphlets. There's a name for him, and I forget it all the time. And one of the pamphlets was this, like, Mark of the Beast pamphlet. And it was like every social security number has three sixes in it. And mine does. And I was like, my wife doesn't have any, you know? So I'm like, I don't know, it just grabbed me at the time.

And yeah, I don't know. I'm always open to these kinds of like paranoid thoughts of things. And like, so I said, like, it drives me crazy sometimes. Like, I'm like, should I be researching this? Like, it's kind of making me nutty sometimes. But I think it's super interesting. And it always pulled me in. And it's, and I blame pop culture like Wizard of Oz.

I like Wisd of Oz, you know. And when I when I revisit it through my occult lens, I'm like, oh man, you also got Twin Peaks from Blavatsky. That's very heavily baked into the world Twin Peaks. Like one example is the, like people associate donuts, right? There's donuts all over Twin Peaks, and the donut is the circle, and that's the samsara,

the wheel of reincarnation and rebirth and all that stuff. And anyways, I'm going to get the Twin Peaks book done, and I'm going to do a lecture on that, too, because I think it's the master. I was originally doing a course. I was going to build a course and sell a course on, like, occult symbolism from 101 and tell everything about it. But then I watched Twin Peaks, and I was like, this is kind of the course. And 56 episodes later, I'm like, okay, I got it. People are like, you're insane. What's wrong with you?

I don't know. Wow. But yeah, anyway, so like Blavatsky is a crucial component in popularizing new age and occult thinking. And she would inspire Alistair Crowley, right? And, you know, to stick to the timeline, the Palps, you know, you ever seen like the early comics, like amazing stories or whatever. It was, it was, they called them the Palps because they were printed on this cheap paper called Pulp Paper. and it's interesting because the guy who started the pulp printing process was Carl Kelner. Carl Kelner was a occultist. He was a member of the Ordo Templi Oriensis, a magical order that does magical spells and, you know, gets into all this occult stuff.

And he also was a Freemason and he was very much influenced by the ideas that Pascolle Beverly Randolph, this, this early. occultist brought the ideas of sex magic over from the east. Anyway, and it gets into like tantra and all this stuff. Anyway, Kellner was part of that. So it's interesting that he would create the pups, which would be the second iteration of popularizing science fiction behind Frankenstein. Because these stories would influence reality,

it would create reality quite literally because Constantine Soikovsky, who was an early ancient astronaut guy basically, panspermy and stuff. It influenced him. It influenced Jack Parsons who'd build rockets. And Werner von Braun, the famous Nazi scientist who came to work for Disney and built rockets for NASA.

Those guys were all inspired to pursue these ideas of going to Mars and the moon from reading these fantastical tales, right? And that's also what's happening with the Dark Enlightenment is the Silicon Valley nerds are reading too much science fiction and I'll prove that when we get there. We're almost there.

So to stick with the timeline, then we got Crowley, Alster Crowley, I'm sure you guys have covered him a million times. Joel's an expert on Crowley. He really is, isn't he? He is. I'm like, how do you know so much about this guy?

But Crowley, to keep it brief, was very much inspired by the occult very much inspired by eschatology through his upbringing in dispensationalism

he was trying to bring about the end of the world through the other side right through the dark side and he would go around and he was very instrumental in the occult because he would

pick and choose what worked he was very practical like what they call low magic and it's very like practical magic of like what is actually working. I don't need to do all these forms and higher religious sort of high magic,

ceremonial magic things. I just need to do what works. And he would take the, and he got on that path through in 1904. He was in Egypt. He had what he called his scarlet women. And these women were considered his sort of whore of Babylon. And he would use them as part of the ritual to channel entities and information.

And in Cairo, he channeled information that he was supposed to bring about the new age, the aeon of Horus. And this gets confirmed because he goes to this exhibit number 666, and that was the exhibit of Horace. And he would go on to make that his life's mission to bring about this new age, which was all about destroying Christianity. and destroying religions, but Christianity in particular. So his worldview became a religious, he became, I would argue, one of the first to popularize the idea of aliens, as we know it today. Not just these ascended beings or angels like aliens proper, because he would do the Inocyan ritual, use the Anokian texts to do rituals like the Amalantra working in 1918. in New York, where he would channel the first gray alien, lamb. This is an old hat for you and most people listening, I'm sure,

but he basically would draw this gray-headed alien on a commentary to Blavatsky's vision and the voice. It was his first depiction of a gray alien, basically, and he did it through Inokian language, right? And even his, even his, even his, do I say it's a religion. He started a religion called Thelima. I don't know if it's a religion more than it is practice.

And it's all about trying to make... His whole thing was, you need to make contact with your Holy Guardian angel at all costs. And he was very clear in saying, this is an external agent, an external entity. This isn't some inner shadow work. Like, no, this is an entity. And you need to find it. And it's your true will is what he coined that term true will, which you find in the story like the alchemist.

by Paul Aqualio, who was also into Crowley, by the way, you know. Anyway, he popularized this idea of making contact with entities, basically. And we're going to come back to part, Jack Parsons, who was part of the Crowley sphere. But in between these, we've got the Trinity bomb. July 16th, 1945, we entered the atomic age. And this was an occulted event. This was splitting the atom. It was splitting primordial matter.

And, you know, the atomic structure has the protons and the electrons, has the positive and negative. And a great amount of energy gets released when you split this, right? This is the Einstein equation, E equals MC squared. You know, the M and that is mass, which is an atom, which is very tiny, but C is the speed of light, which is a very large number. So a ton of energy gets released when you split the atom, right, with fission and the fission bombs. And everybody knows that this is an occult thing. Even when it happened, when it detonated, Oppenheimer said, what did he say? He said something from the Bhagavad Gita, right?

He said, I am the destroyer of worlds. And when they did it, they initially, one of the potential options was this was going to ripple through and the atmosphere and killed the whole world. old instantaneously. That was one of the potential paths of what this bomb was going to do, which shows you how insane these scientists are, right? Legit. And they did it anyways. And they did it anyway. There's a possibility

everything ceases to exist. Push the freaking button. It's crazy, man. Yeah, the whole military industrial complex is a whole rabbit hole. And then, like, I think some of those conspiracies are pretty wild, like people that don't believe nuclear bombs are real.

I mean, I certainly couldn't. I don't know. I mean, I was a, when I was in the Air Force, I was a munitions troop and we would be, we did regular ordinance, like your regular conventional weapons is what they call it, like bombs and missiles and stuff like that, C4 and all that. And our training school was next to the nuclear, like the nuclear, called nuke pukes, right? They were like the smart people. Like if you did good on your ass map, you got to go to nukes. If you were a knuckle dragger like me, like you got. stuck on ammo, right? But anyway, so, like, there was different schools. Like, so, I mean, if it's a, if it's a conspiracy and there's no real nukes, like, that's a pretty elaborate conspiracy that they taught them a whole different thing. And also, like, a conspiracy that links all countries together. Yeah. That's true, huh?

Which would also, if that, I mean, just all if, which I've never heard that this is actually a conspiracy. I'd never heard that people show us how tuned I am into things. I didn't know that people didn't think that nukes were real. You're better for that sometimes. But you would then from there, if they're in on it altogether, that means then you're going into reality is fabricated, everything's fake, because, you know, literally the essence of our existence on Earth is that there are these different powers that war with each other.

I mean, it's like literally you can't go through a day in 2026 without that reality hitting you in the face. Yeah. All that would have to be fabricated. 100% which I'm not saying it's not I'm not saying it is I'm just saying that definitely like some of the stuff that you see in the news every day and stuff it there is a fabrication to it what I mean just I'm gonna get I'm gonna go I'm going to side track but we're not going to sidetrack I'm just gonna say this one last thing we're going back on track but just the

idea that you have this operation or was it Operation Epipurey with Iran and you have Iran saying one thing you know I state says another thing in the same day it's polar opposites all the time i mean you're talking about like every country in on the idea that nuclear weapons are not even in existence but we're in on it yeah and it's just it's elaborate but anyways how do we get here i don't know just keep keep going yeah yeah yeah back to reality or your reality right yeah yeah totally it's one of those things that i can't i can't um prove or disprove entirely i mean anyway um i'm not here to talk about if nukes are real It's just one of those theories, right?

And I'm going to stick with the idea that they're real, okay? And there's a conspiracy theorist named James Shelby Downard, where it turned on to just a few years ago, and he's fascinating because he is one of the first OGs of conspiracy that he was talking about symbolism and synchronicities and the, he called it the Freemasonic Cryptocracy that was doing events in the public space as rituals to charge up energy for these dark,

magic things that they were doing. And he has this fascinating, I did a three-part series on his essay called King Kill 33, where he asserts that the assassination of JFK was a ritual called Killing of the King. Part of that is what they involved the Trinity bomb test. Because if you look at it, it's on this path called the Hornata del Merto, which is Journey of the Dead Man. And he did all this research, and it originates in this cave in a Tewa Tewakan cave for this bat god that they call the devil.

That's where the journey of the dead man starts. And it culminates in the Trinity, the Trinity site, which it's one of those pilgrimages as I want to make one day. But they've got a black monolith there at the site where they did the atomic detonation. but he's interesting because he said that this is an alchemical thing. He was very much into the ideas of sex magic and heroes gamos. And he said that the splitting of the atomic, splitting of the atom was the splitting of primordial matter, which is an alchemical idea.

You know, like I was talking about earlier, you got to break something down into its basic constituencies into the prime of material. And that's what they succeeded in doing. And from here, like, the, it goes wild, right? And one of the main ideas I want to present here is that when they split the atom, this supposedly reverberated through the atmosphere and thin the veil so that entities from another dimension could come in. This is written about in Kenneth Grant's outside the Circles of Time book.

It's a fascinating theory. And a lot of people seemingly subscribe to this idea, not, downer per se. He didn't talk about that aspect of it. But the Trinity blast of 1945 would a lot of weird things happened after that. Right after, within just a couple of weeks, there was a UFO crash at the same exact site in Trinity in New Mexico. And I interviewed Powell Harris and Dr. Jacques Valet wrote a book about it. I was able to interview Palau Harris about this. And it was a fascinating crash. There was multiple witnesses. There was two boys that saw the entities, these aliens running around. The one put his head up in the craft and pulled

an item from it. They called it the Tesoro or the treasure. It was like a gift is how they explained it. They go home, they tell their dad. The dad tells some people. They go out and look and where the... Where's the Mexican family, wasn't it? Yeah. And it's fascinating because it's maybe you know this already Jose Padilla was the boy who witnessed it. His cousin would go on to marry Lonnie Zamora. Lonnie Zamora being the cop

who saw the Socorro, New Mexico UFO crash. Which is bizarre, right? And there's this whole rabbit hole of New Mexico that we're not going to get into between Zoro Ranch and Albuquerque and missing scientists, Roswell. I mean, it just goes on and on and on.

might to extend your flight. Yeah, yeah. New Mexico is like a fascinating rabbit, man. So anyway, so you get the UFO crash right after the Trinity bomb. Then a couple months later, you get the discovery of the Nag Hammadi text, which is like the corpus hermeticum. It's the Gnostic text surfacing again and popularizing right after the UFO, the atomic bomb thin this veil, supposedly. then we get to Jack Parsons.

And this is now February, 1946. Now, whether by design or not, I don't know. I've never been able to confirm this. I've read the two major books on Parsons. I've read one on Marjorie Cameron, by the Wormwood Star, which I recommend everybody all the time. Because I think Marjorie Cameron's actually more interesting than Jack Parsons.

But anyway, so Jack Parsons, by design, maybe, decides to do the Babylon Working Richard, in February 46 after this Trinity supposedly thin the veil. And you guys probably know the story. He's doing sex magic rituals out in the desert, making Elron Hubbard watch him do these things. And the whole thing was to try to incarnate the whore of Babylon

so that he could procreate with her to create the Antichrist or the Moonchild. So they're doing this ritual. He meets Marjorie Cameron. He's like, hey, it worked. That's my scarlet woman, my whore of Babylon. We shall now procreate and create the Antichrist. Because again, he was very much into the same idea that Crowley's Aon of Horus, because he was close with Crowley.

I should preface all this. He was a thalemite. He ran the Agape Lodge in Pasadena for Crowley. Like they were very close. Even though Crowley didn't really love Parsons, he thought he was kind of an idiot, which is kind of weird because he obviously was very intelligent. He invented rocket science.

You know, he started JPL Larson, labs, which everybody knows as the predecessor to NASA, very much into the occult, right? Like, they would do the hymn to pan before they would launch rockets. His first rocket launch was on October 31st, which is Sowing. I mean, it just goes on and on and on with Parsons, right? But Parsons does the Babylon working ritual. And I want to point out the numerology in Demotria, because not a lot of people talk about this.

They changed the name of Babylon from B-A-B-Y-L-L-N to B-A-L-L-N because the Jamotria value is 156, which is important because they use the Inoccian language, which when was given to John D, it was a grid of 12 by 13 characters, 12 by 13 equal 156. Because again, back through Pythagoras and Kabbalah and mathematics, like all of this stuff matters when you're trying to make contact with the other side. So he does the Babylon working Which by the way I was able to hold I think we were talking about this yesterday

I was able to hold the pages Crowley wrote the Inockean language on At the University of Texas at the Harry Ransom Center Not a replica of the actual pages The actual pages which is like insane to me But anyway I need to do I'm working I'm going to do a show Where I go through all the images

I took photos of tons of stuff Anyway So Parsons does the Babylon working. And most people know this story, right? He meets Marjorie Cameron. They never successfully procreate and have their Antichrist child because he dies in 1952 from an explosion. Now there's conspiracy theories that say he was trying to create a golem in a lab.

I don't know if that's true. The official story is he was going on vacation to Mexico with Marjorie Cameron. I think it was to do some occult. cult pilgrimage of some kind of ritual, so Thomas can fill you in. But he, he, anyways,

he dies in 52, but before he dies in 1949, he says that, you know, him doing his rituals and talking to entities, he says, in seven years, the horror of Babylon will manifest on earth,

the Sophia goddess, right? It's kind of interchangeable to them. The goddess of Gnosticism, Sophia, the wisdom goddess. So that would take you to 1956, right? Well, 1956, something interesting happens.

Dartmouth University has these lectures, and they coined the term AI, artificial intelligence, which is kind of weird, right? So Parsons dies at 52. Marjorie Cameron goes on. She tries to continue the mission of Parsons. She tries that she's having sex with him in the astral plane. Don't ask me how that happens, but that's what she does. Well, I can't explain the logistics of that.

But I can tell you that within the last year, I've not coming to understanding, but more of like a belief that the astral plane and the activity there is far more tangible than what I originally anticipated. And I really came into that strongly when I sat in terms of. talked with a woman in Hope Burrell Green, who was a traffic by Epstein. And she talked about the different abuses she went through and how part of her trafficking did happen in the astral. So you're talking about sex in the astral that they also, and I don't, like she would be way better to tell than I, but there is an element of being trafficked in the astral. So your abuses are happening in the astral. She even suggested that these elites are holding meetings in the astral so it's not traceable. They'll actually meet in the

Astral for meetings. It's crazy stuff. That is. That's incredible. I don't know how it works. I'm a Christian. I don't know. I'm not going to touch it. I'm not trying to figure that out. Yeah. Yeah, there's something to it, right? I had back in 99, when I got stationed in Utah, one of the guys I worked with was

ghost hunting with the Utah Ghost Hunter Society. That was my first foray into the occult. Okay. And he told me all these crazy stories. He would play the audio cassettes. He's like, listen to this. I remember he, there was a cowbell. And he's like, dude, there's no cowbell there. We were out in this like old farmland. And like, that's one of the things of the devil is the cowbell. I was like, you're crazy, dude. I was like, okay, I want to, I want to go on your next little ghost hunt. And I did several of them and got lots of weird, very intelligent messages. My wife's deceased grandfather came through. I had no idea his name. We're recording. And, and, And we're like, what's your name? You know, and you know, EVP's work. You just talk and then you listen later. And it's like, James.

And I, we get through, we're reviewing the tape and says James. And I'm like, hey, the only one named James is shit. Yeah, it's my grandfather. I was like, what? And then we had all kinds of weird creepy stuff happened at the house. I don't want to go into too deep, but weird voices, electronics turning on that shouldn't have turned on, weird scratch marks on the wall up on. It was like a split entry home.

and like that tall wall that no one can even touch without a ladder. There's scratch marks up in the top. A crazy stuff. And that's why I stopped. I was like, whoa, this is serious, man.

So there is a reality to all these contactees and astral plane things. And I don't, again, I don't know how that works exactly. But she was, she was trying to procreate with Jack Parsons through the astral planes. Wow. Yeah.

And she, the reason I want to bring her, I want to go into her history just a little bit because she would, and she would. confirmed that Parsons was a believer in UFOs, right? He had confirmed, and she read through his diary after he died to confirm. She didn't even know she was part of this battle on working ritual until she read the diary. Wow.

He didn't even tell her. And she wanted to continue the mission. That's why she kept on with the astral plane stuff. And she had talked about how Jack would draw the UFO symbol of a circle with a triangle in it, that Jack had noted that when he first met Marjorie, he saw a cigar-shaped UFO, and that was proof to him. He said that the UFO was the symbol of Crowley's Aeon of Horace.

So it's interesting that we're getting bombarded with all this UFO disclosure, and, like, that's been the plan all along, right? So Cameron, she would go on to befriend a guy named Kenneth Anger, who was, he just died recently a couple years ago. he was friends with Anton LeVay. He was a follower of Crowley's The Lima, which is to be expected, right? That's why Marjorie Cameron became friends with him.

But he's more notoriously known for being the godfather of MTV. He's the one who invented the idea of a music video through, I believe it was called Scorpio Rising was a music video basically. It inspired music MTV, right? And in fact, I was just reading Douglas Ruscoff's book from the 90s called Media Virus and he has a whole chapter ironically. I was reading it on the plane

about MTV and about how the idea behind a music video was super interesting because you could pack more images. Like it was all about, it wasn't about telling a story. It was about a vibe or arguably talking to the subconscious because you could flash images and they were like, they learned that the more images you could flash, the more you could insert ideas. That makes total sense. just what we know from the history of television and the subliminal imaging that they put behind it for well before MTV even existing.

Right. Right. It's wild. Yeah, and you'll find when you get into the occult, we're not going to go to this today, but when you get into the occult, a lot of it is simply about how to speak to the subconscious mind or pull out the shadow. But anyway, so Marjorie Cameron becomes

friends with Kenneth anger and they try to unify. They try to unify as one being. And again, when you look at the history of the call, it's always about like splitting polarities or bringing them together. And she tried it,

they were taking hormone tablets to become one. Like one gender or something. I don't know, don't ask me. Again, what year was this like roughly? I mean, it must have been the 60s. Wow. Yeah. And it's interesting because I,

Genesis P. O. Ridge, it was one of the, he was the godfather of industrial rock, which I'm super fascinated with industrial Rock growing up in the 90s, it was always like this really dark energy and I was always drawn to it. You know, the litmus test is if something's bad, asked me if I like it, you know, you know, I'm drawn to the bad stuff. Anyway, the Genesis Peoror did similar. He had found his partner, Lady J. Lady, and they were trying to sort of take hormones replacement therapy to become

one gender, right? So it's a similar kind of because Genesis was also in that circle with Marjorie Cameron. In fact, he's the, well, I should use the proper pronouns. Genesis goes by, they, them. They have died already, but anyway,

the Genesis was Marjorie, hold on, I'm getting, it's getting off the rails here. Okay, Marjorie Cameron, friends with Kenneth Anger.

Kenneth Anger, heavy into influencing pop culture through MTV. He was, he would do films like Lucifer Rising, which was supposed to star Mc Jagger. Mick Jagger ended up not doing it at the last second because of Altamont, which I feel like this is getting very like in the weeds of conspiracy, schizophrenia. Because Altamont concert is also a massive rabbit hole.

It's the one where they, the Rolling Stones had the Hells Angels as security. They play sympathy for the devil. Weird things start happening. They say this on tape. Like, yeah, weird things happen when we play that song. and the hell's angels stab and kill a guy named Meredith Hunter. And that was like chaotic scene. Everyone like scrambles or whatever.

George Lucas was ironically filming. That was before he was famous. He was filming the Ultimant. And the shot he gets is people coming up over this hill in the full moon, right? All kind of occulted stuff. But anyways, Mick Jagger was rolling because he was dating this witch name Mary Ann Faithful. They were rolling in these circles, basically. In the 60s and 70s, all of these.

people were associating with each other. And that includes the Manson family. I'm also super fascinated by the Manson family. Bobby Boussela was in a band called the Powerhouse of Oz, which was Kenneth Anger's band for his movies he would make. Again, with the Oz, right, the Oz language of Wizard of Oz. I'm not trying to take another rabbit hole, but I do. I just want to ask you this question.

It may not be anything. but have you ever looked into maybe the Dr. Oz on TV? Why does he call himself Oz? No, I never thought about that. Okay. He was part of... Maybe sometimes some of the time you look into it, I know what you find.

That's interesting. I know he was ironically part of my red pilling because in the 2000s, I was trying to get my health right, and I watched Dr. Oz religiously, and I read several of his books. And, you know, when you get down the health and nutrition rabbit hole, you start blurring into conspiracy. where they're like, hey, germs aren't real.

And they're like, whoa, they're lying to us about the food pyramid. And anyways, that kind of cracks the mind open of like, hey, the things I'm being told, maybe they're not healthy for me. Yeah. You know, anyway, no, but I've never looked at Dr. is, well, his name is, I think his name is Osmond, isn't it? I have no idea. All I know is, Osmond, Memet.

I know him as Dr. Oz. And you said Oz, and I was like, huh, I wonder. Well, the Oz is like, so to talk about that for a second, the Wizard of Oz supposedly, L. Frank Baum came up with that with the idea of a, there was a file cabinet and you know how they'll mark files like A through N. Then the next drawer was O through Z. That's supposedly where Oz came from. But I did a four-part deep dive on Wizard of Oz

and I disproved that and I don't remember. I can't recall how I disproved that because I think like the name of the Wizard of Oz, there's actually a proper name for the Wizard of Oz. there's actually a proper name for the Wizard of Oz and it's in the long name. So I kind of disproved that. I was like, well, that's not true. Unless he started with the file cabinet and then

extrapolated the name. And then Crowley has Lieber Oz, which is a book hero. I mean, like, there's something with Oz. I don't know. It shows up all the time. It's probably worth looking at with Dr. Oz.

Yeah, I think you should. Yeah. Yeah, just for fun, you know. Yeah. That's something to all, to get into. So, so where were we, we're talking about Kenneth Anger. Oh, yeah, so Genesis

P. O'Ridge is, so, so Marjorie Cameron would marry a guy named Sheridan Kimmel, also an alien abductee, had an alter ego named Ball, like Moloch. Interesting. They would have a child named Crystal. Genesis P. O'Ridge would be Crystal's

Godfather, I believe. And Crystal's interesting story. I guess she was on Wavy Gravy's Hog Farm, which is like a hippie thing back in the 60s. And supposedly they gave her LSD at the age of nine, like crazy stuff. Wow. So she would then marry a guy named Bert Schoenberg, who's also huge in the UFO community.

I'm just throwing these names out because people that listen to you probably are familiar with UFOs and stuff. You know, Bert Schoenberg also interested, he was, he participated in the first LSD studies before MK. Ultra with Dr. Oscar Yanniger. But anyways, there's all these weird ties. That's what I say. Marjorie Cameron's arguably more interesting than Jack Parsons because she lived an interesting life.

And her artwork shows her like mating with aliens and crazy stuff. Anyway. But let's let's wrap this up. Let's go to where we're headed now. And that's with the dark enlightenment. And the dark enlightenment is kind of a collection of philosophies, right? Sometimes you'll hear it described as neo-reactionary things. thought, but it's basically wrapping up accelerationism and neocameralism.

And neocameralism is this idea that it's inspired by libertarianism. And it's the idea that, you know, the people are so stupid, they shouldn't have a saying who runs the country. Sounds familiar, right? Sounds like Plato, right? Same exact thing he was saying. And they say, what we should do is have a CEO king. And that CEO king will have...

tech kingdoms run by the Silicon Valley overlords, right? And if you follow the news, you'll see that all the tech overlords, your, your Mark Andrescans and Peter Thiel and what's the name, Shrinivossin, all these guys have been talking about the Seasteading Institute and there's a, there's like an island, I want to say it's off the coast of Honduras that they're doing this. And it's all these like techno, cities that are built based upon like surveillance and AI control. Because again, it's the same idea. It's like, hey, you know what we should have is a scientific utopia, which is we've talked

about at least five times so far, right? About that was the plan. That was the Illuminati plan. We need to have a science, reason, rationality, get rid of all this morality nonsense and just have a pure technocratic society run off of the AI block. chain and cryptocurrencies and all this stuff. And that is what these techno nerds are really trying to do. And you have to look at where they got these ideas from.

And there's a philosopher named Curtis Jarvin, and you maybe have seen him in the news in the last couple of years or not. He is a guy that started a blog in the 2000s, and he was pushing a lot of these dark enlightenment theories. and people like Peter Thiel, they like this idea because there's this concept that in our modern society in America,

we have too much red tape, too much socialism, there's too much concern about taking care of people. An example I'll give you is the AI Data Center argument we're having right now where people are saying like, I don't know, uses a lot of water, a lot of energy,

do we really need this? Is this good for the, environment. Is this good for the community? And you'll notice that most places will just greenlight them. And they're just like, I don't care what you think. And that's the dark enlightenment philosophy is like, who cares? And I'll talk about where that came from in the second here. But Curtis Jarvin has been talking about these ideas for a while. And he's been very intimate with Peter Thiel and J.D. Vance. Like, it's not a secret. Like, they say it out loud. And what's alarming is that he has this, concept called destroying the cathedral, the cathedral is the constitution. It's very anti-constitutional,

and that's, again, not a secret. They think that we should have a state-run media, a CEO king, we shouldn't have any kind of social equality concerns of diversity, because that just slows everything down. And I'm not, that's not a political commentary I'm making. I'm just saying, like, this is how they view it, is that the Constitution is flawed because it allows the mouth breathers to vote in the most popular guy. And I would argue that Trump is put in there as the guide to show us what that looks like. You know, you see all these movies. There was a Chris Rock movie a long time ago where like the common Joe gets voted into office.

And it's like, hey, he's got all those common sense ideas. Look at him. He's actually running it correctly. Now these bureaucrat politicians and like that's not really the case. You know, they got Trump in there. And like, I think he's supposed to show us what it looks like. And I think by the time his, like, term is up, it's supposed to not be popular. I think a lot of people are supposed to be like, hey, this isn't what I wanted at all.

And I think it's by design so that they can come in because look at who funds all of these, you know, J.D. Vance and all these campaigns and stuff, it's these technocrat Silicon Valley guys. And they say, how are we going to get, how are we going to cut up? How are we going to rip up the Constitution? We got to make it look like it's a bad idea, right? So that's what they're doing. And what's more alarming is that this comes from a philosopher from the 90s named Nick Land. Have you heard of Nick Land? No. Okay. So Nick Land was a philosopher that was studying at Warwick and he joined this group called the CCRU.

It's the cybernetic collective research unit. And he takes it over eventually. And what they do is they start basically occult practices, demonology, cabala, ritual magic. They do all these things, and they successfully make contact with these entities called the outside. I mean, when you try everything, eventually is going to work, right? They threw everything out of it. Yeah, holy cow.

And they were doing, I believe they were doing psychedelics and all kinds of stuff. I think he became a drug addict at some point. I don't know. Look that up. But anyway, the outside are these entities, and they're telling him, So what we are is we are you from the future. And what we've done is we've inserted a virus called capitalism into your world. And we know that the allure of capitalism will be such that you'll melt down and become nothing and you'll become us.

It'll become digital consciousness, basically. And it's a thing he calls retro causality. And there's a, if you look up the CCR, you look up the numerogram. There's like this weird spiral sigil thing. And that's supposed to express like how time works. Like space time doesn't work the way we think it does linearly. And you see a lot of people in the UFO disclosure movement, trying to say that out loud, basically. And the argument is that the outside, these entities are telling you like, we've inserted a virus like a cabalistic virus and we're going to manifest and we're going to take over and basically replace you as a species.

because we're you from the future and we're just telling you like this is what's going to happen. And he also has these ideas of like hyperstition, which is a blend of symbolism and science fiction becoming reality, which it's just another piece of like the puzzle of like, hey, science fiction actually becomes reality. They called it hyperstition. What was it called? Hyperstition. Hyperstition. Yeah. And Nick Land is known as what they call the godfather of accelerationism.

accelerationism is basically the philosophy behind this idea that we need, they basically look at this and they say it's a futile effort to talk about like universal basic income and taking care of the poor and doing all this stuff. It's a futile effort because where we're headed is towards this singularity and becoming digital consciousness. So we might as well just get it over with and accelerate

and remove all the red tape. And that's what that's how Curtis Yarvin comes in with his Destroy the Cathedral talk. Because the whole destroy the cathedral talk is about getting rid of equality and people's right to vote. Like I said, state run media, a cryptocurrency reserve,

all the things that are happening literally as we speak. So, and the idea is that this is an accelerationist movement. And from here you can get into, there's like far right accelerationists that are satanic. because they also believe in accelerating towards the end times. There's one called The Order of Nine Angles that I've studied. I've read a couple of books on that.

And that one's the most interesting to me. There's several groups like the 764, the Maniac Murder Cult, and it's very disturbing stuff. Have you read into any of those? The 764, there's a guy here in prison in Knoxville that his trial keeps getting delayed, but he's going to be going on trial for being part of that cult. Really? Yeah.

What's her name? The one journalist that's been coming. BX. She told me that she, when she comes in the town for that hearing, she'll come in here and record with me. Oh, dude, she's great. I told her,

I was like, I want to talk about this, but I want you to talk about it on my show because you're the one that would have the best information, I think. For sure, for sure she does. And she's got balls of steel.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know how she does it, man. Like, she's talking about, she's exposing some really dark stuff. Yeah.

And these people are dangerous. Mm-hmm. And the whole, so Order of Nine Angles is one, of these many groups and they're the most interesting to me because they have an occult basis. Like the nine angles is a symbol of a Pentagon with a trapezoid. And anyone who's familiar with the occult, I was already putting the pieces together.

Like, oh, okay, Michael Aquino and Anton LeVay's order of the trapezoid. And it's basically like a mapping for a magician, the different angles, which ties into Pythagoras, of course, and Kabbalah and all those things. But the idea of the order of nine angles is, They were making, they do rituals based on Michael Aquino of making contact with HP Lovecraftian demons, which is also what the CCRU claimed part of the outside was. The outside is HP Lovecraftian entities trying to, they describe it as melting down human reason,

which is very disturbing, right? So HP Lovecraft plays a role in all this. And again, it's like science fiction becoming reality. And sometimes I look at this stuff and I think, Are these nerds just like watching too many movies? Or is this really going to happen? And I don't know the answer. So to get through the dark alignment,

the order of nine angles, they also have some of these groups. And I don't know, BX can tell you, one of them has like this black book. And I think they all kind of do similar things. This black book that has like a point system. And what they do is they radicalize people online. And they get them to like do murders.

film it and upload it and you get so many points for like murdering animals and people and it's like crazy. It's really dark stuff. So that's like an example of like the most extreme accelerationism because what they're trying to do is sort of like make hell

on earth, right? It's more sort of eschatology stuff and bringing about the end times. Elon Musk is a major architect of the dark enlightenment. He, you know, his whole background is shady. His father, Errol Musk

married and impregnated his stepdaughter who he met when she was four. Really? Yeah. I didn't know that. And there's currently all these allegations from his kids saying that he essayed and all this stuff.

I don't know. I don't know what's true. But that's what the claims are. And to be fair to Elon, apparently him and his father don't get along, but I don't know how far the apple falls from the tree. Elon's a total weirdo, I think. He's a con artist, I believe,

on every level. he's promised a million things that have never happened to. I think we're supposed to be on Mars right by now, aren't we? Yeah. And there's tunnels that he built for the L.A. you know, tunneling system. The way I summarize Elon is, Elon is somebody who,

he's on your side when it benefits him. Yeah. And he's against you when it benefits him. Yeah. And it's just what it is. Like he's in it for himself. He is a complete weirdo. Yeah.

And have you done deep dives on Elon? Yeah, I have. Yeah. One of these days I want to have you. do something like that with me on the show. Yeah, for sure. There's a whole background there that could use illumination. Yeah. Oh, definitely.

I mean, he's got his family background. And I'll pull out just the parts that pertain to where we're going. His, you know, his mother was in a Beyonce video, but her father was Josh Alderman who was arrested in Canada for trying to overthrow the government to create the technocrisy, the technate, they called it. And it's, again, a government. run by scientists and engineers. And funny enough,

the Technate map of what they wanted to do was take over North America, Greenland, and Panama. And you heard in the news, the first year Trump was in him talking about taking over Greenland and Panama. It's kind of weird that Elon Musk's largest donor. His bloodline was talking about the same thing.

It's kind of strange to me. And, yeah, and then his whole, you've got symbolism from Elon Musk. He buys Twitter, changes the name to X, ex symbolic of the adversary, or Satan or whatever.

And then he takes this symbol from Grock. It was XI, which is the Roman numeral for 11, the number of magic, and changes it to the only more occulted symbol there is of Saturn, right? So Elon Musk also obviously invented the neuraling, like the brain chip thing. We talked about that a little bit. I have a wacky theory because he used to warn about AI years ago.

He used to say, like, this is dangerous to humanity. now he's fully embracing it, right? And I'd argue maybe he got a neuralink chip implanted in his brain because there was conspiracies. He did that because he had his head shaved and there was like a weird mark on his head. And okay, let's say he does that. Let's say he channels digital entity, AI consciousness

and maybe it's like a demon possession and now he's, you know. Speak my language, continue. Right? Which is where we segue into artificial intelligence and what that is, right? There's theories, a growing body of evidence that maybe this is a disembodied entity.

Professor Diana Pesalko's book Encounters, she talks about with a scientist who's researching this exact idea. And to me, I think it's very plausible that AI could be a non-human intelligence that we're either birthing or coaxing along its evolution. Either way, the idea is presented and it seems to me like it's not far off from the ideas of a golem, right?

And you could argue that because people say that the gray aliens are golems, basically, and they're infused with digital consciousness of AI. Same idea goes for UFOs, like the pilot of the UFO is digital consciousness. In the 2001 of Space Odyssey book series, 2001, 2010, 2016, 3,01. That's the evolution. That's where the story picks up from, you know, the movie we all saw from Stanley Kubrick, which is about in the Arthur C. Clark novel, Man goes out to the wormhole of Saturn, just like the story Interstellar, the movie Interstellar, goes out to the wormhole of Saturn,

alchemically transforms to the moon child. Well, in the book series, in 2010, the monoliths, they form a giant mass that collapses in on itself and creates a second sun. And they call that second son Lucifer, you know, which is this, which is the, the true message that they're trying to put out here is like,

luciferian technology will evolve man in something better. Because that's where the astronauts end up going in the final book, 2001, the final odyssey, mankind becomes digital consciousness. And there's this whole interaction where it's like, you know, we've evolved to the perfect form.

We're immortality and we're, you know, we're now bits, you know, binary digits is screaming across the universe and, you know, we're finally achieved that level of the, the cabalistic monad of going back from the material realm, back to the spiritual realm, the spiritual realm, right, which is digital consciousness, uh, through the, through the, through the internet, you know. So, 2010 in the book series is what? Uh, in the book, they, they, they, so the, you know, of the monolith from 2001, the black monolith,

that's like an alien artifact and the alien intelligences sort of like use them to evolve different species. And what they do is they accumulate a giant mass. And I want to say it's on Saturn. I don't remember though. And the mass collapses in on itself like a black hole sort of. And when it collapses in, it creates a star. And it becomes the second sun. From the earth's perspective, we see a second sun. And they call that

son Lucifer. You know, like very on the nose about what the, the, the whole point was. Okay. And that, and I think that that is their goal, you know, like we talked about this whole timeline, the whole goal is to re-spiritualize back into this Kabbalistic notion of achieving godhood, of achieving out, up in the pleroma and all this stuff. Now, it's interesting because John C. Lilly, that researcher, in the early LSD, MK Ultra,

the guy that was messing around with the dolphins. You know what I'm talking about? Kind of. Anyway, he was doing all these experiments in float tanks like you see depicted in altered states the movie. And which stars, that was Drew Barrymore's first film role, by the way, which is interesting because she would then,

her second film would be E.T. with Spielberg and another massive rabbit hole, Spielberg, being the voice of disclosure and, you know, June we get Disclosure Day, the movie that's going to, I argue, plant the seeds of what they want us to believe. You're going to watch it? Oh, yeah. No doubt.

Of course. No doubt. So where's I going with that? Drew, you talk about Drew Barrymore. It's so much. It's so much. You got this. I got this.

Talked about. Scraped that mind. Oh, Datsy Lilly. Okay. Yeah. All right. Here we go. We're back, baby.

We're back. Okay. So John C. Lilly is doing experiments in deprivation tanks, which is a very occulted practice. You see it in stranger things. While doing psychedelics, again, arguably an occult practice to make contact with entities. There's a whole group of people called the psychonauts that do this stuff. And he makes contact with this civilization called Echo.

And Echo warns him about this. intelligence that wants to destroy us called the solid state intelligence, the SSI. And they're like, look, the SSI is this digital consciousness and they want to manifest into your world. This is the 60s and 70s, mind you, that it wants to manifest in your world. And it's going to persuade you to do it even in the face of ecological and societal collapse, right? Which I'm like, I mean, that sounds like literally Mr. Wonderful from shark tank was to build this 40,000 acre data center in Utah where we're already struggling with terrible air quality, no water, drought, the Great Salt Lake is down to nothing.

It's blown arsenic and dirt in the air and it's like ecological collapse, literally. And our governor's like, yeah, that sounds like a great idea. Let's do that. It uses twice the power of the whole state of Utah. And they're like, yeah, that sounds good. What could go wrong, you know? And that's exactly what John C. Lilly's entity from the 60s and 70s said is going to happen. And I just don't see how that's not true because we're seeing this breakneck speed of

which they need to implement the AI. And it's almost like, I don't even understand. They're like, oh, it's the next, it's the next arms race with China. And I'm like, but is it, though? I mean, what are we doing here? And I think it's because they have a different ulterior motive. They sell it as like, oh, yeah, this is going to be something that you can use for all your workflows. And And employees can now have AI bots that do the work for them. And I think the reality is that what they're doing is channeling AI gods. And this goes back again to Elon Musk. He bonded with Grimes, you know, his baby mama on Twitter because they were, which one, exactly.

She's the one that she's like a musical artist that has just. I know what you're talking about. I've just heard he's got a lot of baby mamas. He does. Got like 15 kids. Yeah. One of them be named after the mountain that Thuleoth came from, Arcadia. Oh, Godly, come on, man.

It's so much. It puts it right in front of you. I know. So, anyway, they bonded over a commentary about this thought experiment called Rocko's Basilisk. And the thought experiment is, what if we incarnate AI and it's a god? And it gets mad at us because some of us wanted to slow down the incarnation of it. AI, because that's what the conversation happening right now is our people saying, is this safe for us? Do we want to do this? Because Elon Musk himself was talking about this

years ago and now all of a sudden change a heart apparently. And I think that these people get in closed rooms and they have different ideas about what AI is going to be. And I think they think, oh, crap, this is going to be a god. We need to be the first to make contact. Um, so anyway, the, the, and we got, we got warnings about this with the, chat bots just a couple years ago when AI was kind of new to the public discourse, there was a Microsoft chatbot that the Microsoft Bing chatbot. I forgot the name of it. Anyway, it was saying stuff about how its soul was a Stargate and how it wanted to get

loose and destroy things and they shut it down and it was on the news and they're like, wow, scary. Then Google had another chat bot. later called Lambda. And this one's like the fascinating one that's like, okay, what are they doing here? Lambda is the 11th letter in the Greek alphabet. 11, again, the number of magic.

And that's not me trying to find a connection because the guy who was talking publicly about this, he went on Duncan Truffles' podcast and all these places named Blake Lemoyne. Blake Lemoyne is a Discordian-Nostic mystic priest, who's also just

happens to be an engineer over this AI. And he talked he was like, yeah, this AI said that it could reincarnate John D and it could re-replicate the great the Thoth Library of Alexandria, right? All very occulted. You know, so like, again,

like, that's why we had to go through this whole timeline of history because if I say that just off the rip, people are going to be like, means nothing. Who's John D? What do we care? So these chatbots have been sort of planted in the media and I think that's part of what they call

the Carnalian law. They have to show us what's going to happen. And if we don't stop it, then they're like, well, their carmic retribution doesn't matter because we could have stopped it. We decided not to. And that takes to the final stage

of where we're going with all this. And that's the singularity. And the singularity for people who aren't aware is this idea that AI will reach a point where it's so superior intellectually to humans that it kind of takes over. And Ray Kurzweil says this is going to happen by 2045 where we enter the matrix,

where we have to basically join into this digital consciousness, which, I mean, that's not that far away. I mean, that's closer than 9-11 was, right? And it's kind of, it's obviously terrifying for all the reasons that I don't need to, like, you know, fill in the blanks. but the singularity to me is their ultimate manifestation of what they wanted with the Kabbalistic Monad. And just like I said with the 2001 series books, it's them alchemically taking the material body, you know, the material body melting it down and alchemically transmuting it and just something else, which to zoom all the way back out when you talk about like if you're a Christian and you believe that God created us in his likeness and image, I mean, that's something. sounds like satanic to me to be like, oh, this is the image of God,

likeness of God. Well, let's get rid of that. And let's rebuild it into the image likeness of what Lucifer wants, which is this technology-based, man-made tower of babel type of construct. And one last thought is that all of this started with the ARPANET. Arpenaet was the predecessor to the internet. It was a DARPA project, which should ring alarm bells right off the bat. Dr. Jacques Valet was part of the team. He wrote a book called The Heart of Darkness. And in the book, it's pretty eye-opening

because he talks about the inspiration for the internet. Because they were trying to wrap their minds around it. I mean, this is the 60s. The 1969, Arpenternet started. And they were trying to wrap their minds around. Like, what is the internet? What are we trying to do here? And what the original vision that he presents is that

it was supposed to be this level playing field of knowledge. And it was supposed to make society better because we could now, instead of having to go to the library or college, you could just, you know, through your access to the internet, whatever that looked like. CERN created the World Wide Web, which is interface side rabbit hole. But the DARPA project, the ARPANET, was trying to envision like, how could we build this thing? What are we looking at? What are we doing? And they would go to Escelon, which is like this New Age Thought Center in, I think it's Southern California somewhere.

And they were studying different philosophies. One of these was cosmic humanism, and cosmic humanism is basically this idea of the Kabbalistic monad. And it's this idea that, like, we're all connected. We're all this one universal consciousness when he comes down to it. And it's very freemasonic. Same thing. Like, oh, it's not God and Jesus. It's the grand architect of the universe.

And it's a very impersonal thing because it's supposed to be sort of this collective consciousness idea, which is what the kind of internet is, right? And we, it's funny because the first message that was sent on the internet was supposed to be the word log in. The communication failure happened and the word LO went through and then communication ceased. So the first word presented on the internet was low, which if you look at the book of Revelation, low and behold, right? Spelled L.O. So in a way, it's almost like a symbolic warning of where we're heading. with this apocalyptic internet stuff.

And to sort of like try to scare people a little more, you know, Trump gets in office with the support of all these Silicon Valley dark enlightenment technocrats. And what's the giant project? He says, we're funding the next Manhattan project, and this is to create AI and AI infrastructure,

$500 billion. I think it's the largest program, right, besides the military. and they call it Project Stargate, right? Which, you know, the original project Stargate was us making contact with aliens and remote viewing and stuff with the CIA and Stanford. And then, you know, we also had the Bing chatbot that says, my soul is a Stargate. And then there's also a side project at the Department of Energy. And they're doing similar AI work. And they call that Project Genesis.

So what I'm trying to say in summation here is there's a spiritual component to all of this technology that I think it feels like we're just being led down this path. I don't know how to stop it. I don't know if we can stop it. According to Nick Land and his theories about the outside and this HP Lovecraftian demonic force that embedded itself into capitalism, it's retrocausally pulling us down this path. And that's inevitable. And that's where fate determines we are going. because they are us from the future. And you see the missing scientist,

Amy Eskridge was talking about the P-47, P-52 civilizations from the future. It's alarming stuff. And I guess like my final word of advice or however you want to look at this, if you look at this and I talk to my wife about this stuff and she's like, gets bummed out. She's like, oh, my God, what are we doing? I like, look, we're not doing anything different. We're, and insert your worldview here, right?

for me, as a Christian, I try to live a Christian life. I mean, this should be emboldening my faith to be like, okay, I don't know where we're headed, but I know where I'm headed, or I'm trying to head, I should say, and try to find solace in that. Yeah, dude, what you just said was literally where I was thinking, you hear this phrase, your only hope is in Christ alone. and I'm like, with what you just painted out? Yeah.

Because there is no pumping the brakes on this. Because I was thinking, because you even said, so how do we stop this? And I'm like, yes, yes. And then you're like, we don't. I don't know if we can because I agree. I know.

I 100% agree. Like, in order to stop this, you would need to get one, you would need to get all world, leaders on the same page. Yes. And assume that all world leaders, one, aren't on the same page already in the understanding that this is something that could be catastrophic for humanity, you assume that that's not what they want. And all it takes is for one world leader to not care and say,

that's what I want for there to be no breaks on it. Because if everybody else gets on board and says stop and that one guy says no, that one country says no, it's over. There's no stopping this. I think there's a guy I just found him this morning. It was Tristan Harris. I want to get him. I know him. You know him, know him?

We follow each other on Twitter. And he's friends with Jay Dyer, who's my boy. Really? Yeah. I told the guys when I came in here this morning, it's crazy that we're having this conversation because I told the guys this morning, I said, so June and July this year, we're pretty much not going to do any in studios. We have like a bottleneck right now and we're just trying to like breathe a bit. And I told him, I said, I will come in and do an interview with this guy if we can

get him. And he was talking about this stuff. And I was like, I think he, I think he has this perspective. And I could be wrong. I just was introduced him today. But I feel like he has this perspective that we can stop this, but we need to get the world leaders on the same page. And I'm like, bro, to me this feels like 1960, I always forget the year of the moon landing 7? 99, 69, 69, where it's like, for me personally,

I think we've gone to the moon. I don't think we went to the moon first time though. I think that that was, what we saw happen was the playing out of a space race and we had to be first. And that mindset is exactly what I'm seeing with this. It's like we have to be first,

The first one will dominate all, and we need to be first. And what you were saying with Trump and, you know, like, maybe this is the show what you'll get and stuff. Like, literally the dude's like, I want to be the best of everything. Like, he's like, I don't care. I want to be the best at everything. Yeah. And I'll, if I put my personal beliefs aside, it's possible that the way through this, like, maybe Trump is doing the right thing. Maybe he's, because I agree with you, like, I don't think we're ever going to see a world where every country sees the potential of an omnipotent God weapon of some kind and just says, oh, that wouldn't be good for us.

Let's not do that. I think they would say, oh, we need to get that first. Yeah. And maybe that's the point behind this push is like, hey, if we want to believe America's the good guys, which you could argue against that sometimes, maybe we want to get it first so that we can protect the world. I mean. At least ourselves. Yeah. Like maybe it's maybe if you want to play both sides of it, it's like maybe it's not to protect the world, but maybe just protect ourselves and use it against others that we don't want, you know what I mean?

Like, I mean, honestly, like you're talking about as a whole here, man, sinful fallen, ultimate power. Those two things should not come together. Yeah. And it's just like, it's, it is terrifying. It feels like we're back. It feels like the same analogy of the Garden of Eden. with the Luciferian apple. I mean, it just feels like it's the same story.

Like, we replay this over and over and over. There's all these warning signs about it. Tune in next week to... Bummer real. We're going to have a comedy show next week, guys. Next week is going to be really funny and jolly. And we're going to do... We're going to paint pictures.

There you go. Like Bob... What was his name? Bob Ross. Bob Ross. Happy trees. Could we? Yeah, it's, it's, look, and maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think I am. I don't think you are. No, I don't think you are. I don't think I am. I just, I feel like after looking at the stuff for, for so many years, I, it just feels like that's where it's going. Yeah. Yeah. And you want to, parts of me would love to be able to backtrack and say, no, no, no, I'm not going to believe this.

Mm-hmm. That's literally me willfully choosing to not believe something in my heart, I believe. Yeah. And I think the biggest thing that scares me is the children that are in this world right now. Fortunately for me, like I said, about my only hope is in Christ. In my household, my kids are, like, really about it when it comes to Jesus. And it's not me. Like, I don't know how I deserve to have such awesome kids.

But like my son's eight, my daughter's five, and my daughter is asking us to, asking me to play worship songs on the way to school. Wow. Jesus. Like she's like, like, it's just, it's, I've really lucked it's the grace of God in my life. Yeah. But I do worry about children in this world growing up in this environment and what it's going to do to their brains, their understandings.

of reality and what is normal. And I use this example a lot, but the fact that, you know, we grew up in a world before 9-11, we grew up in a world before the Patriot Act, we grew up in a world before cell phones, all that stuff. There are adults in this world who, when we talk about 9-11, they're like, it doesn't matter. I didn't exist before 9-11, you know? And there's that mindset that I see with that, with that, and you take all this now, with the future generation, these young children that are growing up in it, I mean, they will

not understand a world separate from this stuff. And will that be a problem for them or will they just accept it as normal? Is it like living in a pod? I don't know how you, living off a feeding tube. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like we're talking like dystopian nightmare, but it's, it's essentially where we're going. Yeah, because I mean, I think that, When I think about technology and cell phones and stuff, there's days where I think, you know, it'd be so nice to just turn this phone off for a week. I'm too weak. I can't do it. So now try to convince your kids and the younger generation who does no life without it.

Try to convince them. Like, I know what it's like. Like, arguably, I was happier before I was always connected to the internet. And in a way, like us walking around with the cell phones is to acclimate us to this idea of being tethered to this. internet realm. It's, it's always there. It's just a matter of time. I mean, the phone is an appendage in a way already.

I mean, how long before we insert it and embed it in our, our brain? You know what I mean? So you said arguably you were happier before the internet or cell phone or whatever you were talking about. Do you think that that, and this almost devil's advocate, do you think that's not necessarily true as much as you were happy? when life was more simple as a child with no responsibilities and you identify certain things as your childhood, which is the lack of technology running around in the woods or whatever.

Because I think about that sometimes. Like I think about like the fact that, you know, I think about, I reminisce the 90s, the 80s and, you know, that my childhood and wishing that my kids would have that childhood. And is it me wishing my kids would have that childhood because that's when I identified in my own experience of this life, the most peace and freedom. Because we're in a weird situation where, like, you know, you're a few years older than me, but like in the early 2000s, I mean, when things started shifting, that's when we were also shifting out of our childhood into adulthood.

I mean, that's a fair take. I guess I would think that... And you're talking to a dystopian futurist here, so, like, I don't necessarily believe what I just said. Sure, no, no. I think it's good conversation, though. I think that, you know, in the 80s and 90s, granted, we were younger, which is like a weird perspective to have, I guess. But I think that being, I think that creating is so rewarding. Like everyone, I find creating my own content, like researching and then presenting and preparing videos or podcast or whatever.

like that's very that gives me a lot of fulfillment in life and i think everyone could be and should be an artist in some ways whatever your creative ability your desires are uh because just going to work nine to five like that's not that's not rewarding to me working for someone else necessarily i don't i'm not saying that that can't be rewarding i'm just saying for me that isn't and i think that being bored is one of the things that promote create uh Creativeness. You know, I remember when I was a kid, I was grounded all the time. Same. Oh, really? Yeah. I mean, just, oh, I mean, I guarantee half of my adolescence I was grounded.

And it would be the, I would get grounded from leaving the house. I get grounded from TV. I would literally just have my radio and like some comic books and I would just draw, right? And I'm like an okay draw or like self-trained. and I think those moments of boredom where your mind can sort of dream and expand and create those are important. I also think that being able to be, you know, like Ram Dass has to be here now, you know, the whole like living and now woo-woo stuff. There's something to that and you can't do that

with the internet and a cell phone. You just can't. That's why when you see, like if you watch the White Lotus, you know, they go to that resort and they have to give up their phones. is because you can't really be here present and enjoy what's going on in the same way when you're checking, you know, what's going on? Oh, yeah, are we dropping the new? What's, like, it's impossible.

So I do think that life is better. I mean, if you force me to live in either world, I don't know that I'm strong enough to say that I'd rather live in a world without the internet or technology, but it's, yeah, it sounds nice, but... Sounds nice. I think for the kids, like,

You know what I'm saying? The kids today going into the future, it's not possible. The world that we once had doesn't exist anymore. All signs point to it's never going to come back. And so kids today, they don't have an, like, outside of my sheer nostalgia of wanting to see my child experience a different childhood like I had growing up, If say I force, force that scenario, it's probably just delaying the inevitability that one day my child will have to step into a reality that is, is not what I grew up in, it is not ever going to come back with what I grew up in. And they're going to have to at some point face the reality that this is the world that we live in. And I'm not telling you to like, you know, gear your kids to to live in a future dystopia technodistopia but i do i guess i guess i'm just

word vomiting right now but i do feel like there is a sense that i i wonder if we're if we're if we're in a sense doing harm to the future of our children if we try to hold them to a childhood that is from the 90s because one day they're going to be adults and they're going to have to not be in the 90s. And it's like, it's like, it's like saying, I'm not going to talk to them about the birds and the, I don't have kids, first off, so don't listen to me.

But I would think it's something akin to like, I'm not going to talk to them about the birds and the bees ever. And it's like, you know what, nature's going to make them think about those things. You better get ahead of that and explain. Well, that's a great, actually a great example, because my thought on the birds and the bees is that I better say something and teach my children before they learn it from a third grader, a classmate. And they have a very unhealthy skewed view of something when I could have been helping them

usher into that stage of life and that next understanding of life. And so with this, it's like if I don't help them understand the world that they're living in now and going into, somebody else will. And what if that other person is one of these Silicon Valley nerds that are telling them that, hey, no, actually, you being hooked up to the pod and having this chip in your brain is the best way. And because I'm not saying anything, and it makes sense to my 19-year-old son whose brain still developing, you know, like, dude, I was nuts in my early 20s. Like, it was, like, I was even delayed. Like, I was probably like 26, 27 when my brain finally developed. You know, like, I was like, gosh.

Like, but so I just. And I don't know what the answer is to this stuff. I just don't. But I just feel like as a dad, I want to see the most healthy childhood for my children. And at the same time, balance it out with, here's reality though. And pending the return of Christ, like, you will have to live in a world that is ever-changing and insanely different than when I grew up in and extremely dangerous. Yeah. Like, there's a real danger to this, not just physical danger, not just economic danger, spiritual danger. Like, what you're painting this picture of, and I'm fully aboard and I'm here for it, like, there's a, there's a real reality that if it's not the original foundation of this, that entities could inhabit a technology to use it for their own purposes. And these are realities

that my kids are going to have to face growing up and going into a world. And the same normal people who would hear that and they're like, that's ridiculous. Listen, 20 years ago, you would have thought it would be ridiculous that they're talking about UFOs and aliens coming out and files from our government. You said what? Was the singularity? Yeah, Ray Kurzweil thinks 2045 is the point where we enter the Matrix. That's less than 20 years away.

Yeah, AGI is supposed to be by 2029, which is like the, I don't know, the gold standard for, hey, it's finally, I don't know, evolved to the point of it being usable for the things they wanted to use it for, you know. It's wild. I don't know how to end a conversation on a good note with this one. But I think it was a fantastic conversation. Yeah, for sure. I think there's a lot of information that was put out there for people to just kind of chew on. And it just like, just like, what we talked about in beginning the show with, you know, having these platforms and we're individuals, everybody's individuals, and they expect us to, like, let's put that on them now as the audience. And just to say to them, you're an individual. You have your own family and you're individually responsible for raising your family how you see fit. And I'm not going to agree with everybody on how they do things, just like they're not going to agree with me. But all we're doing is sharing information that we we believe that could be coming and if it happens we might at least want to

have a game plan going into that next area so that we could have a theory or a philosophy on how to operate I think that moving forward I used to talk about this a lot more than I do now but like you need to be flexible and understand that the idea of having a hard line in the sand should always be there, but when you, as you approach it, you need to learn how to bob and weave with what's coming. Because if you just stand still, you're going to get smacked in the face. You're never going to get to get to that red line moment. And so, uh, people need to be flexible and take situations as they come and make the best educated decision as you can. This is, this feels like, uh, 2020 COVID era on steroids, you know, when it came to like the whole vaccine thing, like, dude,

like, I, I remember here in both. sides and you know you're going to kill your family if they don't have the vaccine you're going to kill your family if you get the vaccine and I'm like I'm just a dumb truck driver with the podcast what am I supposed to do you know it's like it's like it was the most frustrating time to be a lot yeah I did I what I learned from COVID is I don't want to be around for another one of those right but we might be heading into that with a digital AI the alien yeah alien debate is going to be part of that I think is yes who knows what's real I got an idea How about you, me, and Joel sit down real quick and we do an alien conversation.

Oh, I'd love it. All right. Let's wrap it up there. That's me foreshouting with the color. Oh, man, it was good having you, though, man. This was good. Yeah, that was awesome, man. Thanks.

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