The Confessionals - 875: The Deliverance That Changed Everything | Billy Hallowell

Episode Date: June 30, 2026

What if the battle shaping our world is happening in a realm most people never see? Billy Hallowell joins Tony Merkel for a gripping conversation on spiritual warfare, angels, demons, deliverance, miracles, UFO disclosure, and AI. Billy shares personal encounters that forced him to confront the reality of the supernatural and rethink how Christians should understand the unseen realm. Together, they expose why the modern church must wake up to the spiritual battle described in Scripture. This episode is a powerful call to discernment, bold faith, and truth in an age of deception.If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890📕 Pre-order Tony's Book: https://a.co/d/0bJS3SaVBecome a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comBilly Hallowell Website | YouTube | FacebookSPONSORSGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyIVERMECTIN: twc.health/tonyVENICE AI: https://venice.ai/theconfessionalsRUMBLE WALLET: https://rumblewallet.onelink.me/bJsX/ConfessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jyorkofficialOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - Turn BackNow on Spotify

Oh boy, is that Slingshot? Yeah, yeah. Slingshot season. Hey, let's run it. Grace hit me like, boom. Like too, bro. Welcome to Slingshot Nation live, everybody. This is going to be a fun one.

And we have some guests here in studio. I want to, usually I try to get through the announcements before I bring the guests on. But today it's a little different. We have Karen Wilkinson here in studio. How are you, ma'am? I'm doing great. How are you this morning? I'm doing good.

Happy to be here. We have L.A. Marzuli. How are you, sir? Hey, Tony. Great to be here. Thanks for having me. I'll tell you what. So last night we did recordings.

Well, yesterday we did recordings with both of you. And we got Karen's recording done. I'd say sometime we've wrapped up around 5.36 o'clock, I think. And then L.A. comes walking in the door around 10 o'clock at night. He's like, I'm here. And it's like, well, let's get going. But it was expected because he had come from Nashville to Knoxville, and it's a three-hour drive and all that. So I'm glad you here, though, because there's a scare that you weren't going to make it.

Yeah, I was too. So thanks for being here, guys. This is a live show. We are live across the internet. Wherever that internet takes us, that's where we're at. But we have some exciting things coming up here, and I want to talk to the audience right now, because we are going to be speaking. I'm going to be speaking,

because I say we. I'm going to be speaking at the Remnant Rising 2.0 conference in Missouri. And last week we announced that we're going to be doing a ticket giveaway. And today is that day that we're going to be giving one ticket today. And then for the next five weeks,

I think, Jack, is that right? Yep. Then we still have a free ticket each week. Okay. So we're going to be doing, for the next five weeks after this week, we're going to be doing a ticket giveaway. And today we're going to be doing that.

Are you ready for that next? Or should I? Yeah, I'm ready for that. Word vomit more. No, you're good. I'm ready for that. Yeah, you're good. Okay.

Yeah, so we have a wheel here for you all. Okay? So we're going to spin the wheel and just, you know, see who wins this. It was very fun to put this together. So here we go. Who will it be? The anticipation. Very colorful.

Any day now. It's a see. not take this long when I tested. Oh my gosh. Wow, Jack. Good job, man. You did really, really, really. I'm very thorough.

It stopped. It stopped on the line. It stopped on the line. How does it pick Andrea when it stopped on the line? I don't know. But the computer says it's Andrea, so we're going with her. Yep, yeah. Congratulations, Andrea.

That's wild. Did you see that? It stopped on the line. Oh, my gosh. So Andrea, Andrea, however you pronounce it, we'll be sending you an email with just getting all of your information and everything like that. So thank you for submitting. That's wild.

That's wild stuff. Yes. So this is, this is, this is, this is, this is driving me nuts. I'm going to have to, I'm going to close it. Yeah. Just flip the care and let them see her. Tony has a, Tony has a monitor up that he was trying to. Yeah.

I was trying to, testing one, two. All right, perfect. That's bad. I was trying to give them a live feed so they could see how everything's going, but I couldn't figure out how to mute the live feed completely. I turned it all the way down, and I'm hearing myself talk, and it was driving me nuts. It was throwing me off my A-game. And so here we are.

So anyways, congratulations to, who was it again? Andrea Andrea. Andrea. Andrea M. M. Yes. So we have your information in the email, and we will be reaching out to you. We'll be passing on your information.

to the event organizers, and we will see you in Missouri at the Remnant Rising 2.0 conference. If you want to be considered for a free ticket, all you got to do is one thing, and that one thing is something that Jack's going to tell you to do right now, because I can't remember the order. Yeah, all you have to do is just submit your information there. Your name is pretty much all we need from the start. So just go ahead, send it to this email, the Confessionals giveaway at gmail.com, and we'll go ahead and take it from there.

we'll add you to the wheel and you'll have a chance at winning a ticket. Yes, yes. And before I forget, just so people know, we have guests in studio, but we're missing somebody. We're missing Derek. And Derek is actually at the World Cup right now and he's going to be watching a soccer game. Trader. Well, so his dad's from Peru and he was just raising a household that was really big on football. And so, was it?

Football. Food ball. Food. And so it's him. dad, his brothers, they're all getting together in Georgia for a game today. And so, yeah, he's like, hey, man, I was like, dude, go spend time with the family. That's, that's going to be the good thing there. So, um, listen, I got, I got to tell you guys, I got to tell the audience, this has been

wild to see. Over the last, uh, week or two, I started talking publicly about the book that's coming out in October. And this book, it, it's, it's crazy how it, um, It came together to begin with. But let me just pull it up here real quick. I forgot to pull it up here. But the Confessionals. Oh, wait a thing. I don't need to pull.

I'm acting like I'm producing over here. Jack will pull it up on screen. We're professionals here. So the book, The Confessionals, Exposing War and Kingdoms. I wrote this book and I started talking about it a couple of weeks. weeks ago. And essentially, it documents my journey into my understanding of the supernatural realm. I'm very much a supernaturalist, I would say. And I have a, for most Christian's worldview, I would say I have a very extreme supernatural worldview. But I'm an extreme kind of guy. And it kind

documents my journey through my life, actually. And I thought I was just going to be sitting down to talk about how the show came together and how it molded my mind onto the supernatural. But the more I started considering things, I started writing, it starts in my childhood. And the trailer park that I grew up in and the things that I experienced there, and one night, my mom and I had this UFO encounter that came into the trailer park. And it literally left me running up the hill after a UFO. Like, I was fascinated by it. And my mom was like, get back here, you know?

And so, but even there then, like, my mind started just domino affecting. And I realized how much my grandfather had a role in my life as far as the supernatural. I mean, him talking to me about the miracles that he saw God do as he would pray for people and their leg would grow on stage at like big tent revivals. And it's just literally throughout my entire life, God has been gearing me up for this moment, I believe. And the show certainly has a role in that because there were certain conversations that I had that I document in the book where it's like this was a transforming conversation that changed the way.

It didn't change the way I viewed the supernatural as much as it forced me to explore what do I think about the supernatural because if this is true, then I have to figure out how this fits with my faith. And so it was a really interesting journey to go through when writing the book. And I got to talk about it. The person who wrote the foreword is sitting right here. Where is he? Where is he? So thank you very much for writing the forward.

My honor. Wild stuff. And you even talk about how when you were younger, you believe that we believe that we, you had a run in with my, my grandfather. Your grandfather had to have been him in the tent and Newtown Square. Yeah. It's crazy. So talk about ripple effects, right? That's pretty amazing.

It's just, it's just crazy. So people can go ahead and pre-order the book now. And pre-orders are going. and they're going hard. I just found out this past weekend, the book is in just under the top 9,000 books on Amazon right now. That's really good. That's months away.

That's amazing. Yeah. And this weekend, it hit number one in the category of ghosts and hauntings. And I was like, I didn't know that was a category, but cool. I was hoping it was like number one overall Amazon, but we're not there yet. Maybe the second book, you know. But people can go ahead and. I think there's a link in the description of this episode.

They can go ahead and hit it and pre-order today. And maybe it's a Father's Day gift. I don't know. Father's Day is coming this Sunday. So maybe you can tell your dad, hey, I got something good coming in October for Father's Day. I didn't forget you, Dad. It's just coming a little late. So, but yeah, go ahead and check it out.

Amazon, the links in the description. You can pre-order day. And pre-ordering definitely helps a lot because it gets us to the algorithm, I guess, on Amazon sees that people are actually interested. it in the book and it pushes it more out to other people. I guess that's how it works, but people can definitely be directly part of the success of the book by getting the pre-orders in. Because, and I don't know any of this stuff, I just found out that pre-orders, so the first week of the book being on sale, they don't just count the sales of the book that week. They

count all the pre-orders as sales for that week. So as pre-orders are coming in, they're compiling. And then it's like they're in a little room building up. And then the week opens up and boom, it opens up and they flood out and it all counts as that week's sales. That's awesome. So pre-orders, very helpful. All right, before we get to the fun part of the show, we have to pay the bills. And Jack has a special wallet for people to pay their bills with. Is that how it works?

Yeah, that's kind of how it works. The rumble wallet. Yeah, the rumble wallet. So real quick, how much control do you have over your money right now? technology has changed everything and now it's changing how money works, which is crazy. Crypto started out as niche, but now it's going mainstream with Bitcoin and all these things. Faster payments, more control, fewer middlemen. It isn't hype and it's just where we're going, right?

I mean, no more having to get in, what is it? What's that token that you had to get to pay the gas bill in order to get your stuff transferred into a wallet? I don't remember. Yeah, Ethereum. That's what it is. You've got Ethereum and transfer all these things. It's not like that anymore. So it's getting started today with Rumble Wallet.

You can buy Bitcoin, whole dollar-backed stable coins, even own digital-backed real gold, which is crazy, all in one place. And it's non-custodial crypto wallet, which means you not a bank, not somebody else, not somebody in control of your money or your assets. You control and access your own funds. Set up is simple. It connects with moon pay. And so that pretty much means that you can use your debit card, credit card, bank account, and be up and running in minutes. And for a limited time, you can start your Rumble wallet with $10 in U.S. Stablecoin, which is USA and a very weird symbol. So if you see that, that's what you need. That's the stable coin you need, right? It's a symbol. Just like prints. It's just a symbol. Yeah. So by downloading Rumble Wallet and entering our exclusive promo code, Confessionals 10, when you sign up now, you can have access to that. You can even use your Rumble Wall to support

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See description below and or visit rumble.com slash promo official rules for details. Are you done? I'm done. Okay. Last time he did that, I interrupted right in the middle of it and he's like, I wasn't done. I was like, oh, go ahead. Continue. So, listen, we have.

haven't. The timing of this visit you guys being here is interesting because not only are we living in an era where disclosure is getting really, really hot. I mean, it started back in 2017, this little drip, drip. And now it's this, you can see how that idea of the snowball is rolling down the hill and it builds upon itself. That's kind of what disclosure has been for the last decade. And now it's like, everybody's looking and they're saying, oh, yeah, I see that giant snowball coming down the hill here and there's no stopping it, right? And so you guys being here is a very unique opportunity for us to have you here in studio for a live because, Karen, you have an extensive history of dealing with the phenomenon personally. And LA has documented it for a very

long time. You're one of the top people out there when it comes to the documentation of what this is and what people are going through. And so with Disclosure Day coming out last week, I was like, well, we got to talk about it. And me and the guys went on company time to go watch the movie last week. And honestly, like, I think it was a good production. But it kind of, there was parts of me.

And by the way, just so people know, just like last way I told you, But this is definitely a spoiler alert. I don't really do good with censoring myself to begin with. And I'm definitely not going to be good for this. So if you want to see it and you're scared, I'm going to say something. I don't mind if you flick off. But please don't.

Just put your fingers in your ears, I guess. Nah, nah, nah, nah. But it was an interesting production. I think there was leading up to it. Do you feel like there was a lot of hype leading up to it? And when you watched it, you're just like, oh, it was just a movie. You know, like I felt like going in there, I was like going to be handed like disclosure documents.

And I didn't get that. What did you guys think of the movie? Yeah, I was, it was interesting. I think they did a great job with the movie itself. But I was personally disappointed in what was not provided, what they didn't show, what they didn't say. And then the way that they flipped the script in the movie, quite honestly. So, you know, as far as the actors and the acting and the movie itself, yeah, it was a good movie. But it wasn't what I had hoped it would be.

Yeah. I hoped for more. I got a sense that people who were victims of abductions and things like that, would have that kind of attitude that you have. Right. They forgot about the abductees. Yeah. They forgot that they're victims. They glossed over the innocent victims because that, and they have to.

Because if you shine a light on. on those of us who have had to unfortunately deal with these things, then it negates the narrative that they're trying to sell with the movie, which is that these, the aliens are the good guys. They're not the benevolent space brothers. They're not? I know, but yes, right?

I hate to tell everyone. That's a big spoiler alert. These are not our benevolent space brothers. No. And so, you know, for me to see it, there were parts of it that were extremely disturbing for me. There were parts that were upsetting for me. There were parts that were triggering for me.

And then there were parts that just made me very angry at the end and just, you know, I was just kind of an emotional mess when I left the movie. Really? Just because of a lot of feeling there from me. Yeah. And that. What did you think, L.A.? Well.

L.A.? Over to you. I want to see it again because I need to probably need to see it at least a second time, possibly a third. Absolutely. There's a lot of information. in that movie, a lot of information. And you're right, he completely Spielberg flips the script. So we're the bad guys, the grays or the aliens or the good guys.

What I was really interested in, and I still am, there were four little vignettes that Spielberg leeches out through the film. One is the Roswell event, where they have the slate, 1947, July 7th. They're showing that. And that looked really real. Yes. You know, was it a reenactment? you know, or are we looking at the real deal?

Same thing with the Kexburgh UFO. Yeah. Same thing with the Eisenhower and the Three Grays, Holloman Air Force Base. Same thing with Nixon and Gleason looking at the bodies. And we actually use that in our, in one of our films on the 10-box DVD set, on the hold UFO phenomenon.

I mean, we, it was actually, I think, in the Inquirer, is where Jackie Gleason, and this is years ago, Gleason stands up and talks about this whole thing. He was ushered in with Nixon, and he saw the bodies and it totally freaked him out. So there's, when you look at that, and then you look at Spielberg saying in the last trailer, he goes, you know, I used to think, wouldn't it be great if people would realize that this is all real or that, you know, that it might be real, something like that, sort of paraphrasing here. And then it cuts to a scene in the movie, and then it cuts back to Simon Spielberg.

and he goes, it's all real. So when he says that, you know, even if he's taking, let's say, the Roswell film and reenacting it, I mean, it's, you know, to me that was huge. Yeah. And I guess, you know, a lot of people, and where you follow this, so I've been following this for decades, so it's nothing new. But the way it's presented, there's a lot in that film. It can go right over your head unless you're looking for it.

And that's how I felt walking out of there, too. I said to the guys, I feel like we need. need to come back and watch it again. Yeah, you really do. Yeah. Yeah. And I almost like maybe even by myself, just go in there with a pad and pen and just write things down. Because it feels like one of those movies where you, as much as you're trying to watch it in the moment, you're going to miss stuff and you need to watch it again.

No popcorn. No. Oh, gosh. I'm notorious big. Big bucket of popcorn. No popcorn. Same here. Yeah.

Those are free refills. I'll be down with the bucket of popcorn before the show, the movie even begins because the previews are so long. Then we'll get the second bucket going. But, you know, what I noticed was speaking of popcorn in our theater is one of those where you can have food and drinks. And the whole time through the whole movie, there was kind of just that normal ambient noise in the background, people eating and drinking and chatting a little bit. And when you got to the last 30 minutes of the movie, the entire theater just went silent, completely silent. Everyone stopped doing what they were doing and focused 100%. People were very, very interested to see what they were going to show.

They could tell, okay, here comes, this is what I've been waiting for. And you could tell people didn't quite get what they wanted, but they were very excited and very interested to see, is any of this real? And some of those films, to me, felt very real. And some of them felt very contrived and made up. So I think we had a lot of a mixture in there of real and not real. So I'm wondering, did Spielberg again get some footage? You know, we don't know because they haven't shared that information.

Like the way, the way his history has been. Right. I mean, I would be surprised if he hasn't been given viewing opportunities. Right. And could at least recreate what you saw. Because there was a scene where they're moving in gray. and it was one of the very early when they were showing the footage at the end

that was streaming to the people through the news and they're moving an empty gray suit and that's just that was very hard for me to watch because A, it looked so real to me and it looked exactly like what I've seen the empty gray suits when they would be stacked like on the floor and on the ground of wherever we were

because they're just empty. There's nothing in them. And they showed them moving one that was apparently supposedly quote unquote dead that really got to me. That looked so real to me. That's exactly what it looked like. That's really interesting.

Going into the day, I never really even, as crazy as it sounds, I didn't think about even bringing up the idea of what you saw versus what you saw versus what you saw. Right? Like what you saw in the movie versus what you actually have lived through. And so there were things that you felt were very accurate compared to what you've been through. Right. And then things that were extremely not authentic.

authentic, you know, like having that gray at the end, you know. I mean, did they get close to what one looks like? Yes. And that's interesting because in some of the video footage, they showed the little grays that are just like the empty meat suits. And then at the end, that was a bigger one. And I've always told people, look, there's different kinds. They're the ones that are actually entities, but they're bigger and they all look different

and they have facial expressions and their eyes move and they move differently. But the little grays, they're all like cookie cutter. They're all like the same. They're just empty suits when there's not. nothing in them. So that really cemented that. What I've been talking about all this time, they showed that. So it was interesting to see some things verified in a way. What about you, L.A. I thought maybe you had a thought there. If not, I'll reject. I'm good. Okay, cool. The way their body language was like, oh, L.A. I don't want to interrupt.

So the idea that, well, we saw, we saw, we saw. it in the trailer. I can't ever remember her name. The actress that was Emily Blount. Emily Blunt. How she starts speaking uncontrollably, right? In this like clicking language. Absolutely. One I find interesting that that's been depicted in the movie

Signs as well. And have you come across that in your experiences, that kind of sound effect when they communicate? I have. And a lot of, I always have talked about in different interviews that the clicking noises and things that didn't really make sense to me. But that's not how they would communicate to me. It was always like mind speak.

But there were a lot of clicking in noises like that. But I never saw people doing that. And there's people that in the reviews they're calling, they're saying she's speaking in tongues. And I'm like, that's, no, that's not what that is. That's clearly some sort of possession. Full blood charismatic here, I can tell you. I never heard that in someone speaking tongues, but I did hear sounds like that, absolutely.

So that was a little unnerving, but, you know, it didn't sound like anything specific. It's interesting. Anybody who says that probably has never actually been around people who's speaking tongues. But, you know, you bring up a good point, Ellie, about the possession. It's in the movie, they, I don't know if they actually say this line, but they present this idea that you just have to kind of give yourself, give yourself a little. over. Give yourself over. And, you know, we hear the phrase, you know, when it comes to, you're talking to people

about Jesus. I was like, let Jesus take the wheel. I think it's a song, actually. Like, it's like, yeah, yeah, it's like them saying, like, just let it take the wheel. You make the decision you choose to let it in and take the wheel and it will drive the car. And that's what it seems like, well, that's possession, right? Right. So, I mean.

And permissions. I mean, that's get Vicky Joy on here because this is her wheelhouse about giving permissions. And you have to allow them in. because they can't, they can't unless someone gives permission somewhere along the way. Yeah. I just had this thought. You mentioned this yesterday and she told me to bring it up with you about when these, when, I guess you had a feeling that they were, that you were talking with L.A. or something and they became, they were coming or there was a presence known. I can always feel when they're coming.

No, we were on the beach. Yeah. And you tell the story better than I can. Yeah. I looked at her and I could tell she was being, something was wrong. She was a little upset, little edgy, and I go, are you okay? And there's just the three of us out to my wife, Peggy, Karen, and myself. Dave, I'm not sure where he was, but it's just the three of us, and it's night.

And it's kind of a not a lot of stars, dark night. And we're at the beach. Yeah, we're at the beach. And I go, were you okay? And she goes, no, they're, I can feel them. They're close. And about a minute or two goes by, and she goes there. And we all look, and we talked about this.

I need a little prop, but you can see the disc, you know, it's not flying this way. It's flying this way. And she goes points, and you can see the disc, and it's camouflaged. It blends in very well, but not entirely with the stars, the sky, whatever. And it goes, I got to change hands here. It goes from here and flies across the sky in like a blink of an eye and going. And, you know, I just look and it's like, you know, and I've been around other experiences, and this is exactly like, like with, like with Al.

Oh, yeah. Al, Matthews. Both, you know, Karen is the tent pole in our fourth film on abductions. And we met in Dallas and the whole thing turned into the book and then the film on abduction. So we have two men and two women, Al Matthews and Emil Jirk. A meal is when we took the implant out. and he was abducted when he was five, just like everybody else,

five to six years old. And Al, it's just like Karen. He can, you know, he, they get him up at like two in the morning. He knows they're out there. And he, this is recent, like a couple of weeks ago. He goes out of his,

you know, little house there out in, out in the middle of nowhere, and he looks up and there they are, you know, just sitting there. And he just kind of waves and, nope, not doing this. Nope.

And goes back in, you know, and basically prays against him. So there's, there's that once you're in you're in on the sense of you can feel them um you know i've that was my fourth UFO that karen pointed out that i've seen and i don't go looking for him tony i mean i just don't yeah i don't go looking for him yeah i i started hearing you talk about those kind of those kind of things years ago and uh it's just like there's no need to to go looking for them they'll find you already so the movie even showed that though of like

experiencers were the two that were able to see the aliens in the deer and in the animals. And it was like they were the only two that could see it could experience it. And they also were connected. Like they knew that they couldn't break eye contact and all this stuff. That was like the way that they could tell this is not a normal, just a regular animal. Yeah. And it was when the bird would appear, it was like a triggering event. Absolutely a trigger.

Yep. It's a cardinal. One of them. Yeah. That's how they show up in L.A. And I pegged that. We called it right from the beginning. From the first trailer.

This is not a stag. Yes. You know, the gingerbread house is not a gingerbread house. It's a UFO. Sure enough. Yep. You know. So that said, the screen memory idea.

Mm-hmm. The, I mean, as far as I can tell, that's essentially, they're presenting themselves as something that they're not. How many people do you think in your communications with people and you too, Karen, have possibly have screen memories to very real things that happen to them that maybe they don't even realize. I've been thinking about this a lot where it's, and it's concerning to me that I talk to people who, for instance, I was talking to somebody a long time ago that they experienced, they had an encounter with a gray together with somebody else. and one person saw a really large owl and another person saw something completely different.

And I started wondering how many people are having experiences and what they remember they saw wasn't actually what they saw. They literally are walking through life, not knowing they are somebody. Because I say it all the time, I've never been abducted. I hope I never be abducted. But could it be something where I wouldn't even know?

Right. You know, is that something that you think is more common than not? It probably is. We don't know. There's no way to know because, I mean, if the people have had these experiences and they don't realize it, we're not going to talk to them about it. I mean, they're not going to come to us to talk about it because they don't realize it's happened. Yeah. But this is how anyone who I know who I have spoken with, who has been taken also, has had encounters with things that were not what they appeared to be.

We've all had the owls or the birds or. you know, the random different kinds of animals, or they will appear as someone you know, or a deceased relative, or, you know, and just anything that is, especially as a child, it'll either be an authority figure that you'll, you will mind and not, you know, you won't go against that authority figure, or it'll be something that it's calming to you or interesting. They, they, they're crafty, they're liars, and they're going to do everything. they can to trick you into giving them the permissions that they need to do what they need to do. So these are just the games that they play. And as you've always said, you know, they can manipulate

space, time, energy, and matter in ways we don't understand. And they're utilizing that to hurt people and to trick people and to fool people and to lie and deceive. Let me, let me add something of that in the Spielberg film. And this is what drives me nuts. You know, the audience sort of gives it a pass. Nobody's going, excuse me, you know, you are deliberately deceiving this little girl by presenting yourself as this benevolent stag. You're leading her into something. There's no parental slip here that, you know, nobody's doing that. You are lying. You are deceiving.

And there's a pernicious end, you know, because she didn't ask for this. And how do we know that the powers that she has are actually going to be used in a benevolent way? is that one scene where the woman goes up and wants, you know, are you like a God? I'm no one's religion. Yes. And she storms off that thing. And that's why I want to see the film again because there's little things like that all through the film.

But, I mean, Spielberg, like you said earlier, flip the script. This is something that's evil. It's pernicious. You don't take a six-year-old boy or girl and subject them to that. You don't do this. But it's given a pass in the film. Yeah. It's given a pass.

They're showing two kids lying on these tables, scared to death. Well, the little boys are terrified. And this is where every time I see that, I start to cry because I remember comforting other children. Like my role, I was just a comforter. So I would be with other kids who were terrified and I would comfort them. So was Dolly. And so it was hard for me to watch that because it always makes me cry. I see that look on his face and that kid was a great actor because I remember kids looking at me like that.

And so I'm trying to comfort them. but I'm just a kid myself. Yes. Not able to deal with what's happening. And yeah, but you're right, it gets a pass. And they're showing these kids lying on this table and they're showing it in this movie. And that's what happens. But they're not showing, you know, them getting there.

They're not showing everything that happens to them. They're making it seem like it's a one sterile scene where nothing really happens. Look, it's all fine. It's all sterile. It's all good. They just had to lay here on the table for a minute and we sent them home. They're fine. No.

And even the actor who plays the, The grown-up who was the boy in that scene, he's like, no, no, he doesn't want to relive that. And I thought, that's interesting that they put that in the movie showing that his fear of going back there. He didn't want to go back to it. They were showing him being terrified. That was realistic. Nobody wants to go back to it. It's terrifying to relive those things.

But they just made it seem so sterile and fine. They flipped it. Yeah, they just made it like, it's okay. We're the ones hurting them. They're not the ones hurting us. And that's where my just my hackles really got up. And then maybe it's just like, no, this isn't right. This isn't right.

Yeah. And like they gave the kids the gifts rather than anything that would actually have happened in reality. And they make it seem as though, you know, this is for the betterment of humanity. Because, you know, they're the benevolent beings that you're talking about that are there to direct us in the right path as opposed to actually what happens. And it's all smoke and mirrors just to show that they can, you know, show a little bit of what's reality, but without showing what really happens. I agree. 100%. It's not the gift you want, folks.

Not the gift anyone wants. Yeah. And it's something, are you familiar with Clyde Lewis? He's a radio guy. He's actually in a hospice right now. Well. Place, he's in rehab. He had a lot of health issues.

But a legendary guy, I think his show was better than coast to coast, to be honest with you. And he would talk, he talks politics to parapolitical stuff, paranormal, all this stuff. And he would talk about, I feel like he would be somebody that is a voice for this that is, we don't have right now and it drives me nuts. But shoot, you were you, you were just saying something, Jack. There's a reason why I brought up Clyde. What were you just talking about? Just give me a summary real quick. I was just saying that there was they, what did I say?

Who's on first? You were talking about how they made it. It seemed like that it was a gift. Oh, yeah. So, Clyde was the first one that, because I used to listen to him while I was driving truck, and he was the first one that really kind of said, and it's so simple,

but I never really considered this way. He said, I don't think anytime you're kidnapping a child, it's a positive thing. No. And L.A. says that all the time. I mean, you know, when you... Yeah, I'll let you take that. Let me add something.

In the very first book, you know, I've had Nephilim and Truffus here in 1998. So it's, you know, getting on 30 years old here. There's... One of the characters is pushing back against this whole narrative that these are Benevolent Space Brothers. And it's actually the head character,

Art McKenzie. And he goes, you know, why come millions of miles across the universe, and then tell us Jesus wasn't God, which is a lot of what they, you know, we hear this, right, why not give us to cure to cancer? So even right now, I'm stepping away from the movie, all the disclosure of it that's happening in Congress, have they shown themselves? No. Do we see UFOs over the White House? No. It's just, it's this cloak, cloaking thing, which, you know, this cat and mouse game, which continues. They never give us anything that we can use other than to craft, to back engineer. Why not? If you're so benevolent, so wonderful, why not? Give us to cure

cancer. They're waiting. This is all about deception. These are evil entities with a very nefarious agenda. But then you get guys, and I won't mention names like Stephen Greer. Oh, I understand. And, you know, who tell us that, you know, meditate, call them in and everything else. With all due respect, Mr. Greer, you know, we'd love to interview you on, I know Tony would too, but these are not benevolent space brothers. They're just not. No, I agree 100%. And it's, I, there's other people calling these things in. And I just, in my mind, you have no control over what you're calling in.

I don't care what your intent is. Yeah. As soon as you're, you're putting your will out there as I want, I want to see something, something please come in. There's something willing to answer that call. Absolutely. You know, and you're already entering the situation in deception. If you're trying to call something in because you want an experience, you're hungry for that experience, and you're going to accept what that experience is once it's given to you. And you see that all over the place. I mean, it's, and I wonder, is it that people aren't considering the fact that they could be getting deceived right now? Or is there a supernatural, for lack of better word, spell that they come under when they have this experience is so surreal. It's so overwhelming that.

it becomes the only thing that could be real to them. Well, I mean, look at the voices that are out there. We're trying very hard to share this truth and the truth, the biblical truth of who and what these things are and that they are the fallen angels of the Bible, the Beneha al-Ahm. But the voices out there that they're listening to are not saying that. They're saying these are benevolent space brothers. They're saying they're from another planet. These are other beings in the universe and the cosmos and we should get to know them. So let's let them know we want them to be here and they're welcome.

So they're listening to voices that are telling them something else. And there are a lot more of those voices out there because people don't want to consider the Bible or God because they've been just they've, the religious and religion in general has been sullied by, you know, unfortunate things that have happened and people just think it's boring or it's. it's they believe it but they don't want to spend time with it and they think if they listen to this then it's going to make them have to be some you know cult member or something like that yeah oh no sorry i forgot that part yeah yeah i didn't get that memo i have the card you know they don't realize had the truth of the bible because it's not taught in the churches the churches aren't doing their job and they're not teaching it's almost an anti-supernatural bias yes yeah almost yeah and people are hungry for that information and they're not getting it at church so

They're going to go and get it from, no offense to people, but new age groups or wherever they can. And these groups are going to feed them exactly what they want to hear, give them all kinds of fun and make it sound exciting and fun and informative and cool. And they're going to leave out the danger part. And they're not going to teach them what's in the Bible and their churches aren't teaching that. So they're just missing a very important piece of the puzzle. And that's why people are going to do these things because it sounds fun and interesting. and they're starved for information. And their churches aren't feeding them.

And that's on them. And we're doing our best. I mean, we're talking as loud as we can, but people like us, you and I in LA, can only reach so many people. Yeah. I've also encountered, I don't know if it's a problem issue.

I don't know. Slowly I'm starting to speak at churches. And I'm noticing, you know, I'm for 10 years now, I've been doing this in this way. People come and they, they know what to expect with me in the sense of like, we're going to go there, you know, and we're going to talk about stuff and we don't have filters. We're not, we don't have a church over us telling us, you know, hey, pipe it down or whatever. Can't do this. When I go into a church, I am struggling with how do I convey this messaging in a palatable way for people who are not used to hearing this? And this is not theory. I've done a few churches now, and there are sometimes I walk away thinking, I feel like I might have gone a little hard and maybe been counterproductive because I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, package it the way it should have been packaged in a way that they can digest it, you know,

because like you're asking a guy who's been down a rabbit hole for 10 years to come out and talk normally language, but show them the truth of what I discovered for 10 years in a very normal way. And I'm still trying, I'm struggling on how to do that. In fact, before we went live, you mentioned Paul Begley. I recorded with him last week and I told him afterwards, because I told him beforehand this very thing I'm telling you. And afterwards, I say, can I get a copy of what we just did? Because it was the first time that I felt like I was speaking to the church in a way that they could receive. And I was, I want to study what I just did so I can replicate it. Because it's important that, because times are changing, you know, 10 years ago, I was not literally, but socially, I was almost laughed out of my church because of what I was doing, you know. And now I have guys I went to college with who were pastors texting me. and emailing me that I hadn't talked to for years, but now they're saying, hey, I'm doing a series at my church, and I just wanted to run some things by you to just

kind of, you know, let you know what I'm doing. It's just like, things are changing, you know? And so as things change, I personally want to be able to be prepared to relay the messaging in a way that the congregation can receive it, you know? Have you experienced the change as well? Yeah, absolutely. We now have pastor. that are emailing me. And what we do is we give them private links to all 10 UFO films. I'm a pastor. Can I? Yes, absolutely. Then we give him the rung of disclosure book for free. And then if they want to do a Zoom chat, I had a pastor email me this morning. He's seen all 10 films. He wants to, you know, do one-on-one with Zoom, which we offer. We don't ask

anything for it. And we're arming pastors. And what people, you know, we talked about this last night, the whole Genesis 315 seed war, that's the gateway to the Bible. And we have to start there because everything hinges on that because we are in a seed war. Satan is out number two to one, Chuck Missler, Satan is out number two to one. He's building an army. You know, the seed, the seed of the woman will be, seat of a dragon will be an MIT war with the seat of the woman. Daniel 243, their seed will mingle with the seat of men. Who were they? So we're in this. but people have no, there's nothing there in their wheelhouse to even grasp what you're talking about. So for me, what I've learned when I was out on the conference, start with Genesis 315, build it very slowly.

Like if I was at a church on a Friday night, usually it's a primer, and it would go three hours, three hours on a Friday night. And I would just lay the groundwork because you can't start talking about abductions to people or get to be able to be. or cattle mutilations. You can't just throw them in the deep end of the pool. They'll go, ah, and run out of the room. You got to lay it precept by precept by brick. And that's what I would do. And it took three hours to just lay the groundwork.

And then the next morning, we would go into maybe Fatima. What was the apparition? What was it really? Harbinger of deception. What really appeared then? And we show the actual photograph from 1917 taken by Joshua Benolio. and it's a disc right over the apparition site. And we have eyewitness test.

I looked up and saw a dull silver disc because in 1917, UFO is not Mlexicon. It's not there. UAP is not there. Flying saucer is not there. I looked up and saw a dull silver disc. What does that sound like? And yet the whole thing is so dressed up

as Mary in the Bible, with all due respect to Catholics, in my opinion, was not Mary. It was a harbinger of deception. And that was, you know, over 100, years ago. Isn't it an interesting, 1917, it's just kind of coincidental, maybe, right? 1917, you get the Marian apparitions in Vatava, and then 2017, you get commanded David, you knew I was going there, right? You get commanded David Fravor. Whatever this was,

was not from Miss Earth, you know, it's like, 100 years and here we are, right? Yeah. So the, there is this, like, whole divine feminine angle that isn't popping up. Yeah. And, uh, and, and, and, Nuts. Yeah. And what's interesting, and I didn't know this until I started looking into it. And you know Rick Renner? Yeah, sure. I was, I forget where I was, but I was with him. And I asked him about this. And he confirmed it with me, which was great. Because I was thinking he was going to be like, no, that's ridiculous. Stop saying that. You know, but I was thinking about this whole Hathar connection that comes out through the Bletso experience. And I realized that, Egypt or Israel when they were in captivity in Egypt, they were slaves, obviously, and they didn't just stay in Egypt. They would go out to other areas to do slave things, like mining. And it turns out that the Israelites did not, they weren't unfamiliar with the Mount Sinai Peninsula, the Sinai Peninsula, because they had been going there for hundreds of years to mine turquoise. And when

they were going out there, they would bring the priests, the Egyptian priests, so they could worship their gods. And all over the Sinai Peninsula today is depictions of the goddess Hathor that they worshipped and that the Israelites

were taught to worship. And so when Moses goes up on the mountain doesn't come back and they start worshipping a false god, I was like, when you start looking at the descriptions of what Hathor is and how she was worshipped, I was thinking to myself, I bet they were reverting back to

Hathor worship. Totally know. And I'm sitting on a couch with Rick Renner and I bring this up and I say, and I didn't bring up at Hathor. I said to him, so what God do you think they were worshiping? And he's literally getting up impassively, like not even barely looking at me. He's going. Oh, it's Hathor.

And I was like, I knew it. But it's interesting that, you know, the divine feminine Hathor now coming back and trying to present this dominance and this new culture that we're living in. but it was not an unfamiliar thing. In fact, today there's remnants of a Hathor temple still out there that they've discovered. It was dedicated to worshipping Hathor. So she was right there in their face while they were in that area. And so when Moses goes up on the mountain doesn't come back and they're like, well, I guess we're just going to go back to Hathor who's right here.

You know, God's up there with Moses and we're not getting any action, but Hathor's right here. And she's now presenting herself as I'm right here again. and you can listen to me and trust me. And I believe there's a false religion that's going to be coming out of this disclosure stuff. And I think there's going to be many types of false religions. There's going to be a false religion that looks at the disclosure, the UFO phenomenon as religion. But there's going to be other things like Hathor worship coming back and these divine feminine worship coming back. And it's like when you start looking at it's like, okay, so really worshiping anything is cool as long as it's not Jesus.

Like that's where it's basically coming down to because us crazy Christian people worshiping Jesus. We're crazy. We're the crazy ones. But hey, if I come to the, if I come next week and I say, hey, I worship Hathor now, now all of a sudden these disclosure dorks are going to be like, oh, yeah, let's talk. You know, I'll come on your show. I've reached out to lots of them. And they've communicated with me until it's obvious to me. I reach out.

They communicate back. Yeah, I'd love to because they see the show, the numbers, everything. And all of a sudden communication drops. And I guarantee you it's because they looked into who I was. They know how I talk. They know what I talk about. And I'm not going to not go there. And it's like all of a sudden, it's, and I don't want name drop people, but like there

are people that everybody would know and recognize that all of a sudden just stops talking to me. And it's just like, well, why is that? I get it. I get it. I get people shunning you too. Oh, yeah. Never. Let me add something of that.

You know, the whole idea of a supernatural worldview. And this is not, I've never heard a sermon on this. So when Moses and Aaron go to Pharaoh, there's a full-blown occult paradigm in operation, completely full-blown. Everybody's on the same page, and it's all supernatural, which is why when Moses throws the staff down, it becomes a magician, the Egyptian magician. They don't even blink. They do the same thing. No one's running out of the room going, oh, my God, you did this see that. This is the status quo.

There's a full-blown occult paradigm in operation when Moses and Aaron show up. Yeah. And, you know, are we really that different today? You know, I mean, with all due respect to Chris Bledsoe, I mean, I've tried to get him on my show just to talk to him and he won't come on for obvious reasons. Same thing like you. You know, people, you'll reach out and there's a communication all of a sudden, you know, their book for, there's one guy that channel. I can't, I won't say his name, but he's really well-known. he's a channeler.

And I've invited him on the show. And first there was interest. Oh, no, he's booked up for the next three years. He's booked up for never. And that's, I mean, that's how it is. Chris, if you're watching this, you need to understand that this entity that's appearing to you, you're being deceived.

Because metisketz monasai, got that word from Rust Israel. What is it? Medisketzai, it's Greek. It means the ability to shape-shift and present, going back to the film, to Sclosur Day. the stag, the owl, whatever. They can present as whatever they want.

You know, your dead aunt, like you mentioned, your grandmother, whatever. And Spielberg, in the miniseries taken, he shows that. You know, this one guy sees his dead father and is just overwhelmed because he loved his father and there's his father. The gray is presenting itself

and eventually, you know, the guy dies because the gray kills him. Yeah. So, you know, and about presenting, years ago, and I don't remember the context of these conversations that happened so long ago. The earlier part of the show is a lot of me discovering the topics live. Like, I'm interviewing people and their experiences. I'm like, that's crazy.

I don't know how to view that, you know. I remember two cases. One, I think it was episode 17, the week before I aired your first episode with me, this guy, Jason, had a lot of different things that he experienced. But he talked about growing up in a farmhouse. and one night, I think we talked about it as an entity. I don't even think the idea of alien came up.

It was more haunting because I had no concept of anything back then. Some would argue I still don't. But he said that whatever it was, was standing in his room, and it was flipping images in front of him. And it wouldn't stop flipping different images until it landed on something that it saw him react to in a comforting way.

and it was, for him, it was Fred Flintstone. He literally, he's like, I literally had Fred Flintstone standing in my room as a kid, and it made me comfortable. And then another guy talking about how he was dealing with stuff. And again, I don't remember, this might have been UFO abduction stuff, but I don't remember. He said that his toy action figure that he loved was standing on the bottom of his bed one night, looking at him.

And he said, it looked just like my toy action figure only it was bigger. So say the toy action figure is this big. He said it was like two or three times bigger. It wasn't like a giant, but it was obviously bigger than what he's used to. And it's, again, this idea of presenting itself to children in a way that they feel comfortable. And it's the same thing with the movie. The bird, the animals, it's comforting, you know. And it's the same thing that you were saying, you know, I don't know if it was a haunting or UFO abduction.

It doesn't matter. We're still talking about the fallen ones. We're still talking about the angels who sin, who left their first estate, who fell away from God. And whether they're showing up as coming out of UFO or what have you, they're still all the same thing. And we talked about that yesterday briefly. You know, it's apples and oranges or apples and apples at this point. It doesn't matter. It's still the same thing.

A haunting or a UFO abduction or anything else. We're still dealing with the same entities. Yeah. Something that I feel maybe is a little curveball in the conversation, but I just thought of it. And I don't know if I'll have an opportunity to have you, two sitting together like this at this time, because I respect both your opinions on this topic. And you and I kind of talked about it in the truck yesterday going to the hotel a little bit,

but I would like to bring this topic to the table and just see how you guys word-processed because I have a hard time with it. This idea of physical versus not physical. We see it in the movie. Your experience where you literally, you're physically in your bed, but somehow you're going through a window or a wall. And I feel like a lot of people, and myself included in the sense that I don't know how to convey verbally what I feel in my gut about it. But the only way I can say, and I'm going to, I don't think I have to worry about it, but I'm going to wave my freak flag with you guys.

So if it's too much, just let me know. But I, I, the way I've come to understand this and I'm okay being wrong, it's just my thoughts on it. I'm open. I look at the fall of man and the punishment to me when I read it seems very physical. You know, women are going to feel much more pain during childbirth. Men are going to have to toil the field. You're going to now experience a very different type of physical than you've ever experienced before. Also, we see that the guardian of the garden, I don't think we've ever found

a flaming sword going back and forth in this realm. And I wonder, could Eden be part of an existing part of creation where we once existed and where we were very physical, but it was more of, it was also much more in tune with a spiritual existence. And when sin entered the equation, we got kicked out of that part of it. And so could it be that when people are experiencing this abduction phenomenon or entities coming that are very physical, could they also be spiritual in the same breath where it's like they're coming from, let's just call it for my lack of theological understanding, the second heaven, right? And they have the ability to come here and go back, but we lost that ability when sin entered the equation. And ever since then, there's been

this kingdom war and God's love story of bringing us back into his presence. And And that's the only way I can muster up the way to verbalize this idea that something can be physical, but also spiritual. And for lack of better words, poofy at the same time, they can manifest. And they're very physical when they're here. They leave marks on people, you know? So how do you guys kind of tackle that physical aspect? I think you and I had a conversation, and I know that's going to be aired later. But where we talked about during an abduction, something weird happens.

And I would feel a change in the room and I could feel it before it happened. And then what would happen to feel like a very low vibrational hum. And then I would see the grays. And if I would shout or yell, no one would hear me and they wouldn't rouse or anything. And I would feel like my body was just made of almost like ball bearings. It just felt different. at that point I think they are coming into our dimension with like this dimensional bubble almost like the only way to describe it is like a bubble and then I would be encompassed in that bubble as well with them with the grays and that's how once I'm in that bubble someone in the our normal earthly dimension can't hear me so I've been now transported into a second heaven if you will almost type of you know into a different dimension and that's how they can take me through a wall or through a window or through a door because it's your physical properties have

changed and I'm still physically there but you know in these different we don't understand all you know we're talking about the laws of physics that we don't have answers to because we don't have access to that to study it and get those answers but at that point you're being moved via another dimension so you can go through a wall or through a door or through a window. You can move within space and time without it affecting the timeline here because you're outside of the space and time that we live in here. Everyone tends to think of the earth where we live as just everything. Oh, this is everything. Everything is Earth. Everything is here. Everything is our time. Everything is. No, this is just a little tiny piece of God's kingdom. And we don't know anything about the rest

of God's kingdom. We have a book about us, about how God actually came here to be fully God, fully man on our earth that he gave to us and gave us dominion over that he created. So that's what we know about, but we don't know about the rest of it. You know, so trying to comprehend that just is outside of our ability. We can't, yeah, we can't do it. But when I was taken, it was clearly, I was clearly put into some sort of a dimensional state outside of this normal dimension where we are now. Would you say that whatever they used to do that would be,

technology that they possess? I think we're looking at laws of quantum physics and things like that that I couldn't explain to you and laws of technology that I couldn't explain to you. And they never sat down and explained it to me. So, you know, this is outside of our ability to, you know, they say we use what 10% of our brain capacity. I think that got shut down when we left the garden, you know, along with that. So I think you're right on. I think that your depiction of that is very good.

I like the way you described it. I think it makes a lot of sense. I do think, you know, yet we were made more physical. And a lot of that understanding and ability to move within probably dimensional spaces was taken away. We lost that right and that ability. And that makes Earth hard. You know, one of my best friends, she says, you know, life is easy, Earth is hard. And she's not wrong.

And that makes a lot of sense to me. Life is easy, Earth is hard. That's Heather. So we've got to get that one to Heather. Wow. Yeah. She's right. And it makes sense, you know, because God is good. and he wants us not to suffer, but we are in a fallen world.

So it's going to be there regardless. And that's what we have to lean on him, you know. And that's why when they're saying, you know, to go out there and call on these things and it's so exciting and so interesting, no, you know, there's something more exciting and more interesting, you know. You want that thrill? Let Jesus into your heart. Feel the Holy Spirit. That's thrilling. Yeah.

But people think it's boring and weird. And, you know, I'm like, okay. I don't understand that, but that's just me. Okay, sorry, go ahead. No, no, no, no. Well done. I went on. Every shaman on the planet goes to the same place.

You're talking. Okay. Every shaman, and they get there through different means. If you're in South America, it's ayahuasca. So where did hiawaska come from? Who figured out how to boil these two plants for X amount of time, take this stuff, and you pop up, where you pop up into the second heaven? Why is it that the shaman in Australia, South Africa, and Peru, and the Fekirs in India, they all go the same place.

Why is it in the biblical prophetic narrative when it says that Michael and his angels fight with the devil and his angels, where are they fighting? I call it the Great Eviction Notice. They're fighting in the Second Heaven. How do they fight? Angels cannot be killed because they're immortal beings, but they can be wounded because they're not up there going, okay, two out of three thumb rustling. They're not doing that.

They're fighting. When the angel appears to Daniel, Daniel, it took me 21, days, I had to go get Mike and the boys. Yeah. Because the principal, how do they fight? Why can't the angel just do an end run? He can't. He's got to go through his gateway, this portal.

It's one of the few places in the biblical narrative that we actually get a view into the supernatural world. All I know is when Michael and his angels fight with the devil and his angels, they can't be killed because they're immortal, but they can be wounded. And guess what? Woe to the inhabitants of earth, right? because now the great eviction notice has happened, they're booted out of the second heaven.

What does that look like? Woe to the inhabitants of earth, because the devil has come down to you. And at this point, he no longer has access through time like he did before. Remember, when the same guy shows up to Jesus, I get in trouble when I talk about this. Do it.

Because people... So, Jesus, when the dragon appears to Jesus, Satan appears to Jesus. He takes somewhere to a high place and shows him in a moment of time all the kings of the world. And here you go. Jesus goes, well, that's called teleportation. That's a new age term. No, it's not. It's teleportation. He moves from point A to point B. Then they go from point B to point C. Where? The temple. High place is so much to throw yourself down. Then they go back to where Jesus was. Teleportation, teleportation. And we're looking at the manipulation of space, time, and ways that we don't understand.

And Jesus allows it. I mean, he could have stopped it, but he allows himself to be taken. In a way, I remember saying this, I won't say the guy's name, and I was just scoffed at. Oh, it's a form of abduction. It is. I'm not saying, you know, Jesus is fully God and fully man. Jesus could have stopped it, but he allows it. He goes along with it.

The question is, how do they move from point A? to point B and from point B to point C. And then back again, you know, is it a blink of an eye? Are there ships involved? And see, when you say that to people, it's like, oh my God, you want to fly excelsior!

And they freak out, they do. They can't handle it. I don't know. I wasn't there. But when Ezekiel sees the wheel, what is that? When Elisha is taken up in a fiery chariot, what the heck is that, right? In a whirlwind.

the Merkava. What the heck is that? When Second Kings chapter 6 and this, you know, Elijah, Eliza is surrounded by the Syrian army and he boosts his servant Al-Gahazi and says, Lord, open his eyes, I looked up and all around Elijah were the chariots of fire. What the heck is a chariot of fire? Yeah. I mean, you're talking about vehicles. So there's physicality to it. You talked about Bessor. This is in technology in the Bible. So you got the cherubim on the east gate. Only the east gate. See, that's really telling. What about the north, south, and the west gates? Why aren't they guarded?

Because maybe they're behind the wall. Maybe they're here, and all they need to do is guard the East Gate. We don't know. And I'm reading into it. Can I read into these things, all they? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But we got the cherubim here. And between them, I need a prop.

Can I borrow a pen? Yeah, take that. So in between them is a flame. Jack, next time he's here, let's get a bunch of props for him ready. We need props. Come on now. So there's a flaming. swords, it turns out of you which way. Are you ready?

V-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-v-w. What's a flaming sword? It's a lightsaber in modern-day vernacular. It's a lightsaber. There's technology. What about the two, well, that's preposterousal. What about the two angels who show up in Ezekiel and Jerusalem with slaughter weapons? What's a slaughter weapon? What's that little magic inkhorn that they use? You know, I mean, there's technology. What is the New Jerusalem for crying out loud? You know, this isn't a phantom. This is physicality. This thing comes down, 1,500 miles wide, you know, and length.

And 15, I think it's a pyramid, 1500 miles high. That's why they're duplicating all the pyramids here. But I digress. The bottom line is this thing comes down. Think of the engineering on this. How do you span 1,500 miles? How does that, what kind of metal is used? Are they eye beams?

How does this work? We don't know, but it's technology. It is technology. You know, what about when Joshua, I always get in trouble with this one, when Joshua sees, you know, the angel of the Lord, it's Jesus himself, right? Take off your shoes, buddy, this is holy ground.

And he's got a sword. Who made the sword? People go, well, Jesus can just blink his eye and the sword could be there. And they're right, I get that. He's fully God, fully man. I get that. But what if it wasn't like that?

What if there was a contest in heaven? to make the Lord's sword. That's fun, no. Having fun, right? You don't know that. You can't say there isn't because we're not told. I'm not saying there was a contest. Wouldn't it be cool?

I mean, yeah. Wouldn't it be awesome? If you think about like in a father's relationship with the children, right, does dad need your 10-year-old child to give you a gift of something at his birthday? No, I can get that myself. But it's fun for the kid. It's fun for the kid to be able to give. And we know for the book of Enoch, when they came down, they taught metallurgy.

They shot the art of weapon making. So it's not that far of a stretch. Yeah. You know, I don't know. I wasn't there, but it's just like. Well, I mean, LA said it so it's done. It's way it works. No, I love it.

It's interesting. Yeah. And you bring it up the East Gate and the entrance point. I mean, you're right. Like, what is it? What is there a guard there? And not the ever three. Yeah.

It's an access point. And what are we guarding from getting in? We can't. We were told we're done. So what is being guarded from getting in? And well, okay, so maybe it's other beings that are in this. Like Second Heaven is a, for lack of better terms, a bloodbath war zone. It's crazy place.

You don't want to go there. No. You don't want to go there. And you brought the shamans. People through these kind of practices go there. That's where they go. And they get the knowledge for the price of their soul. So maybe a shaman could wander up to that east gate.

I don't know. You know, we had a shaman in here, a former shaman, him and his daughter. He raised her, him and his wife were shamans, and he raised her, and she went to India to study a yoga. And, like, they were deep in it. They were leaders and everything. And ironically enough, he came, him and his wife came to Christ one night. watching Sid Roth on TV. There's an older call and they stood up and a good figure. And a few years later, she comes to Christ. But they're here and they're talking. They come from

way up north Canada. I mean, it's way up there. It's not even on the map out in the hallway. It's so far north. They come down and he talks about how he would go and he thought he was doing good work, helping people. But he would go into the second heaven and he had a bag that he would go and collect soul fragments and bring them back to help heal people. And so, like, he, the idea of soul collecting is something that's so like, whatever's going on, I want it, I want it said, because it's, this idea of soul collecting is something that I think people need to start paying attention to. My one friend, Fringe, she talks about her experiences, which I think you and her would have a great conversation.

she talks about this her experiences where there's like for lack of better terms for me this technology that they use two souls out of people like this this the essence of the person they're trying to take and he is now as a shaman going and thought he was helping people by collecting their soul fragments and bringing it back and it's just like it's this is not a black and white situation where oh it's this or it's that it's a lot of stuff layered upon each other. There are some people believing that they're doing good. They're not. They're very well, well intended. And there's other people who are doing other things that you wouldn't think are even remotely associated to the phenomenon. But I think that's probably a good way to describe it.

It's the phenomena. It's it's this, that, and more, you know? So what was this reaction that you guys? Go ahead. Now, so I'm working on, you know, writing about, you know, what happens after disclosure and you know through a lot of prayer and and god's really shown me and revealed a lot to me of i think what what we need to be concerned with and and one of the things is you know we talk a lot about the hybrid entities um in the breeding program that la talks about and i talk about me both write about and um you've asked me in other interviews you know why why are they doing this and and and one of the things that they can't do is they can't create a soul You know, and we see in Revelation 18, I think it is that, you know, it says during these in times, they will barter in men's souls.

You know, and a lot of people think that refers to slavery. I think that's the right. I think that's the right verse. But I don't think it does. I think it literally refers to souls. And I'm not going to give away what I'm writing on that 100%. But I will say this. I think that part of disclosure and part of the deception is going to be to trick people into doing just that, you know, trading their souls for things like, you know, oh, but you can, you know, we can give you one of these bodies that you'll live forever. We can, you know, provide you with the wealth and the health and the everything you want. And I think that's going to be a part of the slow rollout of disclosure and this whole just the deception of who and what they are, you know, trying to frame them as our benevolent.

you know, space brothers from another planet who are just here to help us and work with this. And if we breed with them, we're going to be able to create, you know, this race is,

it's going to strengthen our human bloodlines and our human race. But we have to remember, they cannot provide a soul. And this is not a union that has been, you know, allowed by God.

And so it's an abomination. And the product of that is not going to have a soul. You know, and it says if you, in the book of Enoch, they're neither of heaven or earth. So when they die,

their spirit, these are the demons that we talk about. You know, the demonic entities we're already dealing with. There's going to be more of them. But they're going to be looking for souls. And I think that's going to be part of it. So when you're talking about, you know, that they already have the ability to, you know, extract souls and they're collecting soul fragments for these things.

What if people start willingly, willingly providing their souls? And that's just a part of all of this. I mean, this disclosure is providing a perfect gateway to all this. And so that's what, you know, L.A. and I've been talking about and that, you know, we're going to be writing more about because I think it's significant. And I think people need to be warned. I think it's so important that you write that because there's the first time I was introduced to the idea of like what I call soul sucking is, which it was through my friend Fringe. And it was so like, I was like, what, you know? And the what really kind of got me because I mean, it's not that I didn't believe her.

I just didn't know how to frame it, you know. Right. And I was sharing this with another guy who, um, he, he, he. he was actually down here talking to me about the history throughout history of dogman throughout history, like the depictions of it. It's wild. But I don't know how we got on this topic, but I brought up this whole soul-sucking idea. And he is a young guy. He's in his 20s. He used to, I think, do cybersecurity. And his church recognized that he just has a real passion to study scripture. And so they hired him to just do that. He studies scripture. And part of

his job is you study the scripture, here's emails of questions that come into the church, answer the emails. Wow. And so that's his job. And so when I'm talking about this, he brings up a scripture reference. I pulled it up here, Ezekiel 1318. And it was the first time that I was like, oh. And it says, let me pull it up here on my computer.

It said, Ezekiel 1318, woe to the woman who sows magic bands upon all wrists and make veils the heads of persons of every stature in the hunt for souls. And this is a rebuke that God is doing on a prophetess. And she is hunting for human souls through magic bands. And so this is not something that's not in scripture. You know, it's all over. When I started looking into it, yeah, I just started, we started talking about it at the conference two weeks ago. And I'm like, L.A. I got this thing I got to talk to you about.

And you're like, yeah, this isn't. And then I started searching scripture, and there's so many references. Most of them are translated as slave. Yeah. But the original text was actually should have been translated as soul. So you have to really go back into the original and you have to, you know, really do, it takes a lot of research. But yeah, what they did is they changed it because the translators didn't understand. Well, how could that be soul?

No, it must mean slave. So there's been some changes that for our benefit that now make it sound different. But so there's a lot of research for me to do before I can finish that part. But it's, I think it's going to be interesting. Do you have a timeline on it? As soon as I can. As soon as you can. Okay.

I'm on it now. I'll take it. I'll take what I can get, right? ASAP. God's put a hard now on my heart for this, like a hard yesterday. So it's going. I think there's a lot of people like that where there's, There's a pinnacle coming.

We're reaching the top. Yeah. He put it yesterday on me when I wrote this most. Yeah. And so it's the same thing. We were just talking about that. Yeah. Yes.

We can feel. And it's going to, this gets a little woo-woo, but something is coming and it's not good. No. You know, and it's unprecedented. And,

you know, I don't know what, but it's, it feels like we're about to get. Yeah. It feels like we're about to get shut down again for something weird. And I'm not saying that, y'all don't get all.

I'm not trying to, like, like 2020 shut down? Something. Something like that. Yeah, I feel like all the prep that happened was for something specific. And I think, you know, it's an interesting, 1917, 2017, now we're going to hit 2027, 10 years later. You know, and in that, in that 10-year period, has been all this prep. Now, what's going to happen? I mean, is it going to be next year?

It's like nothing has really changed in the Middle East. You know, with this whole Iran thing, it's a joke, in my opinion. It seems like I'm switching gears, but I'm not. Because we know that the Ezekiel thing, 38 war is going to happen. And, you know, if you're in a millennia as well, it's already happen. Oh, you can't look at the stuff literally blah, blah, blah. But Israel's back in Milan after almost 2000 years, May 14th, 1948, unprecedented. That starts the prophetic clock ticking. Ezekiel 38, those of us who study prophecy, thank you, prophecy watchers, Gary Stearman, Mendo Gonzalez, Bob Alrick, and others. But we know that it's going to happen. Dr. Bill Salas is talking about us incessantly.

And are we seeing it now? Some people will go, well, I don't see Zecchio 38 happening. It can change in an instant in a dime. And what's interesting is, you know, this whole thing with the Iranian thing, it's like billions of dollars are being funneled. Oh, we promise, we promise, honestly, not to, you know, pursue our nuclear ambition. Didn't we do that like 30 or 40 years ago?

Yeah. Didn't we hear this? And they just keep rolling it out, you know? The UN inspectors can't get it. I mean, it's just a joke. It's like the alien saying, I love you. You can trust me. You can trust me.

Yeah. I don't know. We're on the customers. Yeah. You really are. Yeah. No, I agree. Let's bring it in for a landing.

I want to hit one more topic. And it's just something that I, an observation that I made during the movie at the end when everything's going to, like you mentioned about how the theater goes quiet, right, the last 30 minutes because they're showing. all this footage and everything. But what I found interesting was, and I feel like this, what I'm about to say encompasses this whole conversation. It felt like they were showing in the film how we as a collective culture globally are in the middle of a production. And there's a conductor. And you see behind the screens where there's a man saying, uh, screen 65, go. And it's

this, that and the other and just flipping. And, and there's a conductor conducting this production of what's disclosure. And, and we as the people of the world are either, no matter how you look at it, we are receiving somebody's desired narrative and story, whether, it's the cover up and it continues to we continue to live in ignorance that's their designed story for us or it's the exposure here's what's going on and here's what they are it's now we have to make a decision because they're they're giving us their their production of what this is and it feels like it that that last 30 minutes it felt like pulled back that curtain of no matter where you stand on this topic you will be subject to somebody's production

of disclosure. And that's, for me, it's like, it's an uphill battle the whole time. But there's, there's not going to be a time where, when it comes to disclosure, whatever it is, that I don't think, I don't think I'm ever going to agree with it, because I don't think that they're ever going to come out and say, Jesus Christ is the only way. No. Right. And that's, that's my messaging. It's just, like, as much as deception comes, whatever that deception is, you need to have the presence of mind, talking about losing voices, I'm losing my voice right now, you have to have the presence of mind to see it, recognize it, turn, and run to the cross. That's where safety's at. And it's, it's, it's, the way you say that, it sounds easy, but then we see scripture saying,

there's going to be a great deception. There's going to be people who are going to be deceived, who are in the faith. So whatever we're seeing right now in disclosure, we're having this conversation like, you know, we're having intellectual, well, I don't know if it's me intellectually, but we're having, I'm trying for an intellectual conversation where we're discussing something and we're showing narratives and how there's a deception coming with what they're showing us. And to think that the deception will be so great that I possibly could sit at this table and be deceived by what we're experiencing. And that's why I'm trying to tell people, whatever that movie is, wherever we're at

in the timeline of disclosure, baby, it's going to get a lot worse. before it gets better. Because I believe that this deception is going to be great. So that's my last closing statement, I suppose. Turn to Jesus is what I'm saying, you know? No, it's true. Do you guys have any final thoughts on anything? You want to go first?

Jesus warns us that even the elect would be deceived that were possible. Why would he say something like that? But, you know, 2000, even the elect would be deceived if that were possible. Men faint from fear from what is coming upon the earth. Satan comes with all signs and lying wonders. The apostasy of First Thessalonians chapter 2 is right there, right? First Timothy chapter 4, I got us from Mando Gonzalez. But the spirit especially states in the latter days, some will depart from the faith.

Giving heat to seducing spirits of a doctrine of demons. Why is that there? These are Jesus only. These are warnings from the biblical prophetic narrative. something is coming, which some, you know, and if you're a Calvinist, then that doesn't apply to you because one saved, oh, you saved. And I get that. I respect that. That's your position. But if you're an Armenian, which is what I am, it's free will. And you have the opportunity to walk away. And that begs the question, what would cause people to walk away? Let me just close out by saying this.

There's a commercial, 24 Super Bowl ad. It's called hello down there. And folks, you need to Just go to YouTube and the search engine put 2024 Super Bowl ad hello down there and you watch it. Because Martin Scorsese, he's directing it. He's got a minute and 30 seconds to say something. What's the advertising? You don't even know to the last four seconds of the commercial. A website makes it real, Squarespace. What does that mean, right?

And it opens up with this woman. She's on a cell phone and she's reading the, you know, lines, a headline on the cell phone, you know, Congress declares that extraterrestrials and UFOs are real. She doesn't want to see that, so she scrolls over to the cat clawing the toilet paper roll, and she laughs. Then it cuts to Paris, France. Everybody's on their cell phone, tablet, computer. There's a UFO hovering over the iPhone tower. Nobody sees it.

Then it cuts over to a little diner out in Texas, celebrity bacon diet on the cell phone, right? This is what this woman's looking at. Meanwhile, the dog in the back of the pickup truck is barking because there's a UFO over the diner. Cuts to Japan, and they're all on their computers and laptops and everything else. And there's a UFO up on the 10th floor, you know, trying to get it. And nobody's paying any attention. Then it cuts back to the UFO. It's an alien with a very elongated skull.

Gee, isn't that interesting? Who does this? Smacks his head, presses a button, hello down there. everybody's cell phone, tablet, computer changes, and you see the gray's waving. The woman in New York City, she's on her cell phone, hello down there. She looks up with everyone else. And above the skyline are these very large mile white craft. And her face does this.

One of awe. She's overcome with awe. She's not fearful. She's like, these are our space brothers. She's not saying that. But, and then everybody else, and same thing in France and Japan. They're all looking at. So what Scorsese and the makers of his film are telegraphing, this is a global event.

This, in my opinion, is called predictive programming. They are telegraphing what is going to happen. And I believe, and I wrote about it, shameless plug. No shame. Yeah. And rungs of disclosure. But there's going to be, this is conjecture. There's going to be a nuclear event that goes off.

That's what they're waiting for. that's what they're waiting for because that creates the greatest climate of fear that humanity has ever experienced collectively. And that's when they show up as our space brothers,

as our saviors. And that's what was even depicted in the movie. Biggo. Yeah, exactly. We're on the custom World War III, nuclear fear.

And my friend who was with me at the end of the film goes, oh, I wonder if they read rungs of the scroll because there it is. Probably. It's pretty much out of the book. They might as well.

There you go. I mean, who knows. But that's what they're portraying. They're right on the customer for World War III. Wow. What about you? What about me?

I saw you writing. Oh, yeah. It made me think of, I wanted to remember some things that you had been saying and that you had been saying earlier too. Just, you know, you guys have a lot of wisdom

and I'm grateful to be here and be a part of this and be with you guys today. So thank you again. I just think that disclosure, including the movie, but just disclosure in general, you know, it is a process and it's a long process. And I think I know that it is an managed agenda. And we know that that agenda right now appears to be to make these guys look like the good guys that there are benevolent space brothers. And, you know, what what keeps me up at night is that you can't acknowledge abductees, the thousands, possibly millions of us who have been taken against our will and maintain.

their narrative of these are benevolent space brothers. So they will have to continue to try to silence us and keep us out of the picture or their narrative will not work. That scares me for the people who have had to go through this and for how they're going to spin it. And those of us who say it wasn't a good, it was not a good experience. It was not a good experience.

And as we already discussed, you can't spin that to say it is and make me believe it. But they will make people believe that. And they're trying to do that now. I'm sorry, it's a medication alarm. So, you know, they're already spinning that to make people believe that just the way they did in that movie. And I find that disturbing beyond belief. So anyone who says, no, it's not a good thing is going to be deemed you're the crazy person.

How can you not see how good this is, right? That's, those are the things that really bothered me about this. And so, you know, this is where I think we will see the great falling away and the great apostasy is that when they're able to convince you of that, then they're going to be able to convince people that also, you know. Take the mark. Yeah. You know, this is a good thing, you know, and then we're going to see people losing their souls willingly. And that's what scares me. This is what scares me.

I'm fear for what's about to come on the earth. I could faint in fear for what I feel like God is showing me. come upon the earth. And so, yeah, I just, I really encourage and urge people, run to the cross, hold on, don't let go, no matter what anyone says to you. Because we've already had the greatest, you know, we were talking about there earlier. I'm like, we've already seen the greatest disclosure on earth. It's Jesus. I mean, this was God come to earth, fully God, fully man. He showed up, showed himself, walked among us, lived with us, gave his life for us, sacrificed everything for us because he loves us so much.

And, you know, we've already seen the greatest thing there is to see. I don't need any more shows. You know, we've got the best show. And I had one thing of that. Yeah, yeah. And he left something for us. Yes. He left the shroud.

I got a little over there. There you go. Me too, which is forensic evidence of the resurrection. Yeah. And which you have an amazing movie about and the music. Thank you, Gil Zimmerman. And the music that you created for that movie. Oh, shock.

favorite part. I could just put it on the background just for the music. It's amazing. So, Shameless Bug, I highly recommend that movie, y'all. If you have any questions about the shroud. It's Holy Shroud, Holy Fire. Holy Shroud, Holy Fire. Amazing. Highly recommend. God's calling card. Yeah. He left it for us. He left us. He left it. And here just, I just got to get this. No, please. Go for. Just got to get this in. So the shroud was in Torin for hundreds of years. And, you know, you look at it. And from about six feet away, you see a very faint outline. of a man until 1898 when Sukundapia takes the first picture of this thing and he's in his dark room, you know,

developing the film because this is what you did. Yeah. You know, there were no iPhones then. And all of a sudden, the whole body comes up. And, you know, Jack, you should show a picture of this, you know, in posts or whatever. And you see the scourging, which is incredibly brutal, the helmet of thorns.

The nail prints are not in the palm. They're like this further down in the bomb. Yeah. forensically, it's unbelievable. And the scourging, when I was working on the film, I mean, I lost it because the scourging is incredibly brutal. You're not coming back from this thing. They're going to kill you. And what he went through. And there it is for. And no one knows how that image was formed. They think now some burst of radiation. Oh, gee, what does that sound like? Right. Holy Spirit, holy fire. So we have God's calling card. And he left it for us. And isn't it an interesting, I'll close with this, that for almost 2,000 years, no one saw it until a little over 100 years ago. So come to pee, and everybody goes, once you develop that, that was it.

Everybody made a B-Lyme to start studying the shrouds. Yeah. And it's just like so many other things that pop up when the timing's right, when it's meant. Well, yeah, in his time. His time, Lord. Thank you, Lord. I believe it's the book of Enoch first chapter. It talks.

The very first thing I think it says is that this is not meant for this time, but for future time. Exactly. Right. Right. And you have the Dead Sea Scrolls. And then even that didn't bring the book of Enoch back until the last decade or so is when people really start looking into it. And now it's mainstream. People talk about it.

You have Congress people talking about it on Joe Rogan. Oh, yeah. I know. It's hysterical. You know? Right. But it's just, it's literally God's timeline. I agree.

And it's a perfect timeline. And I want to make one more thought based on what you. you said because you were saying how, you know, what, what happens to people like, like us that, you know, we're saying this is a negative thing that we experienced stuff, you know, and they're going to try convincing people it's a positive. We've seen this in World War II. Oh, yeah. There, there's, I'm trying to, I'm drawing a blank on what terrorist group it was that was, he was one of Obama's mentors now. What was that guy's name? Bill, Bill something. He, They ran like a domestic terrorist group.

And one of their things was they were going to collect people and put them in rehabilitation camps, I believe in the Southwest. And they had this whole plan. If you were not going to be rehabilitated, what was going to happen to you? And it was basically taking over America, right? But it's the same thing. So people like you who are saying, no, this was not a good thing. Don't worry. Don't worry, everybody.

We're going to take her and her friends to this rehabilitation camp. we'll show them what, and then so the last thing we ever see is you walking through those gates. Yeah. One more thing to add to that, there's a little track that we give out, and this is channeled information. So you're, you know, this woman is going into a trans automatic writing voice to skull. And there's this little, and this is on the track that we give out. They've already, the other side of the aisle has already figured out the rapture and has an excuse

and it says, there is, there is a moment of time for many people. to leave the planet in an afternoon. The people who leave the planet during the time of Earth changes do not fit here any longer, and they are stopping the harmony of the Earth. They have the other side of the aisle through channeled information, which, by the way, instead of called technique, were forbidden to do this, they've already explained the way the rapture of a church. They, the other side, has already explained a way, you know,

behold, I show you a mystery, we shall not all sleep, but shall be changed. in a moment, a twinkling of an eye. They've explained it away. And that's, see, we got those pesky Christians out of here at last. Yep. Do you want to ascend to the next level of humanity, transhumanism? Well, put away this whole pesky Christian thing. Get it out of here.

Let's get rid of the, and all of a sudden, you know, our alien saviors are taking the bigots away from us, right? Right. We already have the propaganda narrative for that. You know, oh, our saviors came and took. the bigots away so we can ascend to the next level of humanity. That's it. And we're the bigots because we don't agree with the cross, you know, the breeding

with them. Yeah. That's going to cause a problem too. That's going to make us the bad guys. Are you going to take a nerling chip? Yeah. I'm on, am I not on the list already? No, it's not, yeah. She's kidding. I'm kidding, y'all. I'm so kidding. And I've got enough

titanium in me already, so I don't need anymore. No. Yeah. It's, if we oppose that we're going to be racist, right? We've set up a society where we cannot oppose anything like that. We've created it. Yeah. Tolerance. We've created a society in an environment of tolerance that is just sitting and ripe and waiting for them to enter it and do what they will. And it has to be accepted. Yeah. Man. Just like the movie. I mean, we're kind of, yeah, we've only got one answer now. Yeah. And it's, if it's not clear, it should be.

Well, I think we're trying to make it clear. And so hopefully people are listening. But this was a fantastic conversation. Last order of events, I want you both to tell people about your books and where they can get the books. I mean, you have like 100,000 books, L.A., so I expect you not to tell me every book title. And then I wrote. But I highly recommend that latest book, The Waiting Room, that L.A. wrote if you haven't read it yet. I highly recommend it.

It is my favorite book that I have read in a very long time. And I needed a feel-good book and something written just from a perspective that is healthy and good. And it was just, it was like food for my soul that I needed because we're just dealing with so much right now. So I, you know, I'm not just saying this because you're, you know, one of my best friends, but because it is one of the best books I've read in a long time. Thank you. I appreciate it. Amazing.

You can find me through my website, Karen Wilkinson Author.com. If you go there, you can find a link that will take you to the link tree that will take you to social media. It will take you to L.A. Marzuli's website where you can find the book Stolen Seed Evil Harvest exclusively at L.A.Marsali.com or net. And where you can find L.A.'s amazing, bountiful library of work. And with that, I will hand it over to you. Just 34 films and 16 books. Sorry. And, hello.

Lots of hand cramps. But yeah, I mean, that's where it is. And Ellie Marzoli.com and Karen's book is there. And runs of disclosure. And you know, folks, stone seed evil harvest, pray up before you read it. It's the deep end of the pool. But why should we be surprised? We like good days and knowing.

That's exactly where we are. I keep saying I'm going to end this. I just got to tell you because this just happened. just this morning. So I picked you up L.A. and I told you about the kids. So my daughter goes to my son's room at 3 o'clock this morning and crawls in bed and sleeps with him.

Around 5 o'clock, he comes in my bedroom and says he can't sleep because Gemma's kicking him around and stuff. So I go get Jemma out of his bed and I put her in her bed. And it turns out Ben never went back to bed because he said, and I'm not making this up. He said, and I asked him, where did you get, like what happened? He said, every time he closed his eyes to go back to sleep this morning. a bloody alien was appearing and he kept on seeing a bloody alien.

And so this morning when he told Lindsay that when I was getting ready, I pulled him aside, we prayed over him and rebuked it. But knowing that this conversation was happening today, we both had, I had a conversation with both of you yesterday geared towards this stuff. And I've said plenty of times to people, the trend seems to be that the enemy goes after people closest to me. There's been signature moments in the last several years that I knew the enemy was trying to get to me, especially through temptations and putting me in situations that would basically

trying to get me to compromise. And I think, well, I know I passed those situations. And I feel like there's been a clear shift in tactics, which is going after people closest to me. My family, the kids, Lindsay, Jack. the people around me tend to get hit. So if you want to be my friend,

think again, because it comes with some baggage. And so it's just, I don't remember exactly what you said that triggered that in my mind, but it just hit me. I was just like, you know,

I think... To get prayed up before you read the books and it's the deep end of the world. And yeah, especially after you watch or listen to something like this, you know, really pray. And I pray for everyone listening

to this. this and watching this and everyone in our families right now, God, that you'll just protect them from all of this evil and everything we've talked about, that no curiosity will open any doors, but you'll close any doors, any portals, and any information that might lead someone to open their mind to this and that our minds will be clearly and solidly set on you, Lord Jesus, for you are one, our only savior. Thank you, Lord. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. And that is how we end the show. Amen. That's a great way. I appreciate guys being here. Thank you. Thank you. God bless. All right, guys. Thank you so much for.

tuning in today and just know I love you see you yeah yeah slingshot season hey hey hey hey grace hit me like boom can't miss god with me whole squad gone and devil try to throw shit

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He the king so the crown got a new fit and the cross here harder than a new clip. We ain't here just to buy this a movement. Every giant in the way he'll move it. If the world when I hate we cool with it because the love is strong. So the truth is like, look in the dirt now I'm cleaned up. Blood bought brand new never dreamed up. Every thorn out of stone trying to team up got 50 thousand in here feeling beamed up. I remember them nice in the struggle. Feeling way down deep by the trouble but he showed up strong bro the muzzle. Now the fake bill bit like a double.

We up no cap and the well don't run dry. Stay up. It belongs.