The Confessionals - 879: The Watchers, AI & the Portals Between Worlds

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

Could the world's obsession with AI, portals, and the supernatural be fulfilling an ancient spiritual deception? In this powerful conversation, Tony Merkel sits down with pastor and author Darren Stott to explore biblical portals, spiritual warfare, and the unseen battle shaping today's culture. They reveal how modern technology and supernatural experiences echo patterns found throughout Scripture while exposing the dangers of counterfeit spiritual power. Most importantly, Darren explains why Jesus Christ is the only path to true freedom and lasting hope in an increasingly deceptive world.If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890📕 Pre-order Tony's Book: https://a.co/d/0bJS3SaVBecome a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comDarren Stott Website | YouTube | BookSPONSORSGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyIVERMECTIN: twc.health/tonyVENICE AI: https://venice.ai/theconfessionalsRUMBLE WALLET: https://rumblewallet.onelink.me/bJsX/ConfessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media6726 Morganton RdP.O. Box #08Greenback, TN 37742SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jyorkofficialOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - Don't Open The GateNow on Spotify

Hey, everyone, before we get to this week's show, this is just your weekly reminder to please continue to pray for my wife, Lindsay. She is battling breast cancer right now, and we're praying for complete healing in Jesus' name. Thank you. Merkel. Media. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, boning fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then, disappeared.

When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. He's out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face.

They basically decapitated. Got spursers, got closer, got spursing, when he got about 15 yards away from me, I raised that 12 days and I blow this head off. I feel something pulling at my leg, and I look over and there are two small gray entities, and they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe, and I couldn't move, because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals Podcast. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here.

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I hope you guys can stay tuned for that, but we are excited for people being so excited about having the music on demand. So thanks very much for your interest in that. I didn't expect people to want that, but you wanted it. So Jack delivered it. He spent time figuring it all out and got it all up there so you guys can stream it. Check it out on Spotify, Apple Music, and YouTube music. All right, today we have my friend, Pastor Darren Stott, here in studio. He and I go back a couple years, and I couldn't wait to have him here in studio because today we're diving into one of the most eye-opening conversations I think we've ever had on this show.

Darren comes on and exposes the spiritual battle hiding behind portals, ancient mysteries, cutting-edge technology and the unseen realm. From CERN and Quantum Theory to deliverance, psychedelics, and the war for the human soul, we tackle the questions most churches won't touch. If you've ever wondered what's really happening behind the curtain, you'll get your answer here today. So let's get to Darren Stott right now.

All right, today we got Darren Stott in studio. How you doing, man? Tony, it's an honor to be here, the famous confessional's studio. I'm ready to confess. I'm ready to confess my sins. Let's do it. Dude, all right, so famous-ish, okay? But people used to think this was a Catholic podcast.

And so that was a hurdle. It's not. Okay. It's not. No, sorry. It's cool for it is. I'm not a priest. Yeah.

And this is not a confessional booth. No, this is a white evangelical show. Yeah. Well, white-ish. I'm more like brown, you know. Very Protestant. Yeah. So you are here because you just wrote a book,

exposing portals of darkness. And, dude, the first, first time I met you was when we were filming season one on the counter. And I didn't know anything about you. And then all of a sudden, you start talking on the show. And I was like, this dude's up my alley. Yeah. And that was like a year ago, a little more than a year ago. And you're finally here. And I'm so glad you're here. And it's timely too because of this book. I mean, it really, I mean, just, it's going to shape the conversation. Yeah. And before we get into the book, which is going to be coming out July 7th, July 7th.

Yes. So at the time of this recording, it's not July 7th yet, but we're planning to release it on July 7th. So if you're hearing the sound of my voice, the book is out. Go ahead and get it. Grab one. Grab one. So what was the inspiration behind the book? Well, I'm not necessarily the exposing Portals of Darkness guy.

Like, this is the fifth book. Most of my books are very practical, very inspirational. And so this is a different kind of a project for me. It's a very important project as well. You know, 2020 sort of changed everything for all of us. I was always kind of a moderate guy. I was never very a political guy, just a Bible guy, a Holy Spirit guy, glory guy. But all of a sudden, it's like the veils started to get torn in 2020 and things started

getting exposed for what was really going on. We faced some interesting challenges in our own, in our own state, some a bit of a feud. It almost got real ugly between our church. Talk about it. Talk about it. I do. Just talk about it. But first of all, let me just say.

You're the pastor of what church? Yeah. When I met you, man, yeah. We were filming the counter. And Troubour, our mutual friend. He's such a connector. Yes, he is. And so I remember seeing you at the NRB with Troy.

And then I remember hearing about the confessionals. And so you guys were talking. So I show up at the counter and you're there. And I'm like, this is the filmmaker that does Sasquatch documentaries. That was my framework for you. So we're there. We're just kind of like checking each other out. And then we start to like each other more and more.

Well, we just got doing the second season of the counter. And by then we were like friends, right? So, man, yeah, it's an honor to call you a friend, Tony. And it's an honor to be here talking about this. But yeah, there's some stuff that's going on out there. And everybody sees it. Everybody feels it. Not everybody has the language for it.

Not a lot of people know how it fits within the Word of God. Does it fit within the Word of God? Did Jesus say there would be days like this? And so I'm excited about this particular conversation because it's going to create an urgency in people for the days in which we are living. And hopefully it will be salt. Like salty salt.

That'll make people very thirsty, not for darkness, but for truth, for light for Jesus. Yeah. So, I mean, when you look at the topics and stuff that are covered in the book, I mean, I think there's a lot of people out there that hear rumblings, they feel it. Even before we started recording in the other room, Derek was going through some of our company mail. And one of the guys that mailed us, he's saying how he's talking about how he thinks that they're building something underneath his home, extending from Oak Ridge.

He hears the rumblings. And, you know, anytime you mention Oak Ridge, portals should follow. And so, I mean, there's a lot of people out there that have suspicions that things are happening around them. And there's this, there's, you're right, since 2020, there's been this new, I don't know how to, a consciousness, collective consciousness. People are, are much more aware of reality in a different way than what we've been trained to believe. I would call it a supernatural existence that they just didn't understand. But the, the idea of accessing other realms and portals, that's, something that has picked up steam a lot. We know what it is. It's John 1010. The thief comes only to steal, kill, kill, and destroy. But I've come, speaking of Jesus, that you'd have life and life abundantly.

So what happened in 2020 is all of a sudden people are like, wait, why is it that the guys that we have trusted to bring us life are actually stealing, killing, and destroying? And so all of a sudden people are like, where am I putting my trust? I always thought that God and government were the same thing. I thought, I thought this whole thing was Christian. I thought the whole grid was unto the glory of God. I mean, it says on our money and God we trust. And then all of a sudden that veil started to get exposed. We realized, well, it's not really about God in the sense of Yahweh God,

who is sitting on the throne over our nation. Really what this is is a conversation around power and a conversation of the gods. and people, not all people, but a lot of people in these places of power that are willing to reach out, being very eclectic in their spirituality. And if there are Christian principles that will add power or ability for them to be able to insert their force, they'll take some Christian principles. But they're also willing to borrow and adapt from ancient pagan Babylonian principles as well. So that's what we have in our culture right now is this huge, eclectic hodgepodge of spiritual principles in order to bring power that people can use to manipulate. And that's what's being exposed. And that's so confusing because you're like, you said you were a Christian.

Wait, you quoted from the Bible. And yet you're a part of the system or programming of this world. So there is a call to the church back to a simplicity of the gospel into a, into, a child-like innocence where these conversations don't overwhelm us or fill us with fear. Now, I was thinking about this, a lot of the topics that we get into, whether it's aliens or astral projection, it can stir up some fear or at the very least suspicion. But fear is a form of honor. That's why we're told not to fear man, but to fear God.

So fear is actually a form of honor. So when you fear something that's demonic, you're actually honoring that. The principle of honor is that which you honor, you open the door to. You open the portal of your own soul to. So if you're fearing something that's demonic, even if Jesus is your Lord, Jesus is your Savior, if you're fearing something that's demonic, it is a form of honor. It's a form of subconscious worship. And you end up opening up the portal of your mind, your will, and your emotions to that force,

which means that you come underneath the influence of, that programming. And it's that which I want to expose, deconstruct so that people will say, I fear God. I don't fear the demonic. I don't fear the programming of this world. But it does need to be exposed so that we're not under it. We're over it. See with Jesus in heavenly places. I mean, I went through seasons where, you know, like I'm on this process of discovery through the podcast. You know, it started in 2017 as a truck driver and no discipleship in my life whatsoever. But when I started the show, I was part of a leadership at a church very quickly stopped going to church altogether because of like the boohoo social rejection that I experienced at one church

because of the podcast. I was just like, oh, I'm not going to church anymore. Don't recommend it. Yeah. I don't recommend it. I went through a couple of years of just thinking I could do it on my own and just becoming spiritually dry and not knowing it. Wow.

Until like all of a sudden you become like this spiritual callous. You're like, how did I get here? you know um but the the these topics that i started discovering i found myself going down a dark way of thinking which is what my process of discovery of the callus was and i started realizing that like i want and this this was a long process of understanding but i found myself as a christian not pursuing God as much as pursuing understanding the darkness that operates in the world almost to know my enemy.

But it became the obsession and not Jesus. That's right. And that's dangerous territory. And there's been obviously people know if anybody's been listening for a year or two, know there's been a shift in the show. And there's many reasons for that. But it's like, I want people to understand that, like, yes,

this stuff is real, but we need to always stay rooted and grounded in our hope. And if you don't stay rooted and grounded in that hope, you got a lot of trouble ahead of you. Because the darkness, when you're peering into the darkness on this process of discovery to understand your enemy, your enemy's sitting there looking at you in a dark room and you're like, come closer. Come closer. Yes. You know, like that Jack Nicholson, yes. That's what it feels like, you know well it's a bit of it's a bit of a dance in that people perish for a lack of understanding so there has to be just enough understanding so that we're not being complicit with these entities that want us to partner with them right yeah um so that's discernment there has to be just enough discernment so that we're not entangling

and reinforcing enabling evil on the earth right yeah this whole thing is a battle of kingdoms it always has been the bible is the story of kingdoms you know beginning with eden going to the new jerusalem Jerusalem. So we had to have understanding at the same time. In the garden, there were two trees. There was the tree of life. And then there was the tree of understanding. And so that's where understanding can be a bit of an addiction. It can actually be a counterfeit form of intimacy. Knowledge can be a counterfeit form of intimacy. And so with the invitation to Adam and Eve in the garden was, you don't need discern it. You guys are like children. All you need is me. All you need is me. All you need is me as your father.

I think that Adam and Eve were like kids. I think that there were just these innocent, pure, no awareness of shame, no awareness even of self. There was just perfect intimacy, communion, union. It was God and man, heaven and earth, the place of convergence, the way it was always meant to be. It's like when you have little kids, you want to shelter them. You don't want them to have to be sizing people up when they see people. You don't want your kids to think that way. And that was like the dynamic.

between the Father and Adam and Eve. When they rebelled against God, all of a sudden, that veil got removed. They went through their own 2020, and now they couldn't trust anybody. They couldn't even trust themselves. They were overwhelmed by that dynamic. So the invitation is for us in Christ

to return back to an innocence and a trust and the Father so that there can even be a little bit of ignorance when we're engaging with people that we're not sizing them up and qualifying them or disqualifying them based off of their level of evil. But that we're approaching people like Jesus did with just hearts wide open, hands wide open, just really saying that my discernment is the sharpest when I can simply trust God for who he is and then love people right where they're at. And that's the dance, right? Because we can't be ignorant.

We can't be ignorant of spiritual things. we can't be ignorant of demonic things in the way that the enemy works. But at the same time, our trust has to be in God and not in our knowledge of the gods. Yeah. I mean, a good litmus test would be, how often are you pondering and considering and thinking about Christ, what he's done in your life, or are you just focusing on the darker side of things? You know, your book lists, like, it's obviously exposing portals. So it's like all about this idea of portals. But you go through so many different topical ways about it,

like techno portals, biblical portals, neural portals, all these different stuff. So are portals everywhere then, essentially? Yeah, absolutely. And there are portals that are becoming so obvious. And there are instruction manuals that are being given out to everybody to engage. Now, these portals go to the same places and they engage with the same beings. So that's why when it comes to like the grays, for example, or whatever you want to call them aliens, these observers, these watchers. Isn't it interesting that they are engaging in humanity, whether it's through biohacking and deep breathing, where you can get high on your own supply? You don't even need drugs. You can just breathe in a certain way. Oh, yeah. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You haven't heard of that before? No, no. It's called getting high on your own supply. Wow. And there's a number of breathing methods where you take yourself into almost.

almost a state of hyperventilating. Wow. And it's the exploitation of oxygen. So it's flooding your body with oxygen and then robbing your body of oxygen. And you can induce a, well, you can actually naturally release DMT into your body. It takes you into a dream state while you're fully conscious. And when you're doing this, you can open up realms and portals and the same beings that come to people, whether on IBA gain or DMT will come to people,

even when they're in these states. Well, then it, all right, so then go to technological portals because we get into that as well. So then you've got, you know, Jordy with D-Wave, they're releasing the video on that they are accessing entities that are neither good nor bad. They are more, they're more transcendent. They are higher than goodness.

Who's defining this? This is the founder of D-Wave. Um, Jordy, I'll get, I forget his last name, um, but I'll look at it. He's saying, we can get into technological portals. We can talk about that. Yeah. So he's redefining. He He says, in order to understand quantum computing, which they're doing, this isn't something that they're going to do. Right. Then you got to redefine reality. And in order to redefine reality, you have to realize that reality is composed of dimensions. And we now, by using quantum computers, are accessing entities that are, that are higher than goodness or badness. and that they are giving us information from these other realms.

It was the same thing, that girl that just got, you know, suicided, you know, she was doing the releasing of the P-47s and where the P-50s. In Huntsville, Alabama? Yeah, yeah. And she's, I think, or Amy Eskridge, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just watching a video of hers this morning.

And it was Alan Deo that showed me the quote from her about that we can use present-day technology in order to access these time travelers that are 50,000 years ahead of us. So, the point being is whether you're doing this through biohacking or through hallucinogenic or through technology, all of these portals are opening, going to the same dimensions, getting the same watcher information or revelation. And they're not hiding anymore. It's everywhere. And that is new.

Like the disclosure or the transparency or the, I mean, it's just in our face. It's like the paranormal is almost pornographic in our culture right now. It's in your face. And it's like, deal with it. Entities exist. Deal with it. Demons exist. But we're not going to call them demons.

We're going to call them us 50,000 years from now. They're coming here to help us because the apocalypse is coming. So it's a fascinating day in which we're living. So as a pastor, and what's the name of your church? Eden Church. Yeah, where's it at? Just like the garden. Is it in Seattle?

People think they were saying eating church. We don't eat the church, but it's Eden. Sometimes you eat at the church? Yes, we do that. Yeah, it's just outside of Seattle or 15 minutes outside of the city in a little town called Newcastle. Okay, cool. Yeah. So as a pastor, Eden Church, just outside of Seattle, do you, do you,

feel like there is a lack of leadership within the collective church that's prepared to talk about such things like this. I personally do. I'm open to you having a different opinion on that, but I do feel like I was just talking to somebody the other day that they go to a church and their pastor, however it works, I don't know, but it is aware of the disclosure. stuff happening. And he just has a blanket statement and saying, it's not real. I don't believe it. And I think we're approaching a point in time where that kind of basic solution to the problem is not going to work and be acceptable. We're moving into a very interesting time forward. And I think that the church, the leaders in the church pastors, board members, people who are

leaders in the church need to be prepared to offer answers and not just say it's fake because there are people who have experiences with that's very real to them and then there's people who are just paying attention to what Fox News is talking about and it's becoming very real to them. And the idea of saying portals are fake or the paranormal is fake, that's not going to cut it anymore. Do you feel when you look at the landscape, now asking you this might be a, not a really pure answer because I know your friends. What? What?

It would be the purest of the answer. So your friends are my friends and I'm like, okay, so Joseph Z talks about this. Troy talks about. Troy saw a giant. So like maybe outside your immediate circle, do you feel like leadership is prepared to talk about this stuff? The supernatural has a storyline within Christian theology, even within church, within the church timeline.

And so if you look at, so Jesus comes, uh, the, the sun from heaven to earth to live, die, resurrect, and ascend. His ministry is three years, and it's incredibly wonderfully supernatural. He's born to a virgin, does all these incredible miracles, has divine wisdom even as a teenager. So the ministry of Jesus is incredibly supernatural. Well, not only that, Jesus says, it's better that I leave, because if I'm with you, I can only be at one place at one time. So I'm going to send you my spirit, the Holy Spirit. and this spirit is going to be your helper.

So don't try to fulfill the Great Commission until you receive, like I'm telling you to go into all the world and bring my kingdom. Make the announcement that my kingdom is at hand. But you won't be able to do this without my indwelling spirit. And so it says that the church, they just hung out. They waited. They waited for the spirit to come. That's when you come to Acts chapter 2.

When the spirit comes, 120. men, women, children are all together. And when the Spirit comes, it's not just the apostles that receive the Spirit. It's not just the men that receive the Spirit. Everybody in that room witnesses, it wasn't a fire, it wasn't a wind. It was God. It was God the Holy Spirit that comes from heaven into that room in the form of a flame. The sound like a mighty rushing wind. It wasn't a wind that blew through the room. It was a storm of God's relational fire. glory, the same fire glory that was on Mount Sinai, where Moses had that encounter, is there in the room, divides up 120. Why? Because there's 120 in the room. And then ascends above all of their heads

and then comes up upon them and then into them. And it says they were filled. And that word in the Greek means possessed. They became possessed with the same spirit that raised Christ Jesus from the dead. The power of the resurrection came in and dwelt inside of them. them. And then as they go from that point, everywhere they go, that flame, it spreads and people are filled with Holy Spirit. Incredibly supernatural. You read throughout church history, signs, wonders, miracles, resurrections, exorcisms, everywhere they go. It's the same power that was in Christ, that was at work through the Christians, these Christ emulators, these little Jesus clones. It was a derogatory word, this Christian. Oh, they're Christ copycats. Absolutely incredible. And it's a

legal and they are getting crucified and ripped apart by lions. Like literally crucified. Not just like today where it's like, oh, they crucified. No, like literally crucified. Yeah. It's excruciating, right? The word excruciating comes from the word crucifixion. I didn't know that.

Yeah. And so they, so they're rogue. They're wild. And the more that Rome tries to crush them and beat them, the more they, the more they multiply. Christianity under persecution thrives. So all of a sudden, Constantine conveniently has a encounter where he has a vision. And in this vision, he sees the cross and he is given this strategy, this invitation.

And some would say Constantine had an epiphany that if you can't beat him, join them. And all of a sudden, what was this underground organic movement of Jesus lovers of kingdom instigators? became a national religion. These guys that were in poverty, all of a sudden, there was an excess of wealth. And so we know that. We know the story of Roman Catholicism, right? And the assimilation of Christianity into a nation's identity. And there's wonderful parts of that and there's ruthless parts of that.

And then all of a sudden you come to a monk, Martin Luther 1517, and he is reading, through the scriptures, which they're finally able to do because they've got the Bible printed. And he realizes, wow, there's some, there's some incredible abuses that are being practiced by the church. And so October 31st, 15, 17, you know, he nails his 95 thesis to the door of the church. And it's the great protest where we get the Protestant reformation. This is the, we're called Protestants because we're the protesters that split off. Now, what happened there is because the Roman Catholic Church was using the supernatural as validation for their doctrine, Martin Luther in the first reformers where we get reformed tradition, divorced themselves from any sort of supernatural

ministry or just what we would call the gifts of the spirit. So you've got good, reformed, needed, Protestant theology, but you don't have healings, the signs and wonders. You don't have exorcisms and deliverances. Why'd they move away from that? Because they said if the Catholic Church is going to use the supernatural to validate their doctrine, and we've got true doctrine, we don't need the supernatural to do that. So they said, you can keep your supernatural and we'll take our good doctrine. And so then you go into a great time span of Lutheranism.

and, you know, Presbyterian tradition and in all of this, it's not until the late 1800s that you begin to see a resurgence or the awakening, the great awakening within our own nation. And what you have there is reformed theology with what we would now call Pentecostal experience. It is the Pentecostal or the Pentecost, the Acts chapter 2 experience that begins to visit the church all throughout. Europe in the United States. It saves our nation, prepares our nation to really thrive in the midst of some depressions that are going to be coming in. And so that is the storyline of the supernatural. This thing was birthed. The entire word of God is the supernatural. It's Jesus, the supernatural. There's a shying away from it. And now you've got these streams within Christianity,

some of which embrace the gifts of the spirit, the offices that have been given to the church from Ephesians 411, and then others that say, we don't need it. All we need is good teaching. All we need is good doctrine. Now to answer your question, if we have a theology that's completely void of the supernatural,

then when confronted with this pornographic, paranormal conversation, people are going to feel powerless to be able to respond or do anything about it. Or they'll just deny it altogether and just say it's all. It's all fiction. But with the escalation of what's taking place within the culture, we will lose a lot of good Christian people from the faith simply because of a lack of good biblical discipleship.

Wow. Within the supernatural framework. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I got a backtrack to Rome because I got, so the way you described it, because I don't think I've ever talked about this in the show. Yeah.

And this is, this is like for me to be educated. Yeah. So the Holy Spirit drops on 120. They go out and they're making disciples. Disciples make disciples. And the people they're touching, the Holy Spirit's indwelling in them. And it's like this supernatural fire that's spreading, right? Yeah.

Caesar says, if I can't beat him, be him. Constantine. Constantine. Yeah. I knew it was the wrong one. And he makes it, the state. religion. When that happens, do you believe or feel like the Holy Spirit was hampered in the sense of spreading because maybe there was a true transformation and it was more ordered and decreed by the

state? Does that make sense? Was there like a suppression of the supernatural during that time? Was the Holy Spirit? Because in my mind, the way I'm looking at it is when it's an underground religion, persecution makes it spread. Everybody that is being preached the gospel to, they're accepting Christ, the Holy Spirit's coming into them. But when the state says, this is our religion now, it's no longer you have to be witness to accept Christ. It's like, you will accept Christ because this is what it is. Did that hamper the Holy Spirit from spreading because it wasn't like somebody's heart confessing Christ as much as this is what we do because it's the state? That would be debatable. There's good that's going on, but there's bad that's going on and

ugly. And that's when people read this book, it's going to be difficult for them because we either want good or bad. And what we see throughout church history is it's the bad, it's the ugly, it's the demonic. And yet there's also good going on and God is moving in the midst of all of this evil. And so first of all, when it comes to the supernatural, we think that the Holy Spirit has to move through the right environment or through the right perfect catalyst. And the truth is, is that supernatural power works in the life of a person through their authority in the name of Jesus or in the name of Christ. So here you have something, an institution, that's become compromised. And yet the authority of Christ is being made manifest in and through them. Because

they're operating from the name of Christ. We also know that. that the anointing isn't contingent on our level of consecration. And that might be offensive to people because they think that the spirit will only move through a pure vessel. No, the spirit moves by the authority in the name of Jesus. So you can have compromised people using the name of Jesus and then operating from that authority, even though they are compromised. And we see that within the Roman Catholic Church. Also at the same time, there was a remnant during that time. And these were people that that didn't give themselves to the lust of power to the lust of the flesh to these indulgences and they fled off into the into the wildernesses so this is where you begin to get into

the desert fathers and you begin to get into the early christian mystics and they were they they had loyalty to the pope they had loyalty to this to the system and yet they weren't compromised they hadn't they haven't they didn't compromise their own ethics or or their own practices. So they literally got out of the, they would get out of the cities, and then people would come to them. People would go out into the wilderness

to seek them, to seek prayer, to seek deliverance. And that's a fascinating study of the early desert fathers. The early desert fathers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They called them the desert fathers. And these are true Christian mystics

that say we want nothing to do with the lust of the flesh. We want nothing to do with the pride of life. We want nothing to do with, with titles. We want nothing to do with gold. And these are people that that walked with God. These are people that had communion with angels. These are people that would be fed supernaturally. And so, yeah. We got to explore what you just said too, because what you're describing, one, to me, sounds awesome, you know? Yeah.

You said true Christian mystics. That's a trigger, right? And so how would you view somebody who says something like that like a Christian mystic and in what you just described it's like well I want a little piece of that action for sure like how I want I want to walk with God I would love to be surrounded by angels being it be in this this such close-knit relationship with the Lord and the Holy Spirit that it that he operates through me in such a supernatural way but what do you mean by a Christian mystic because I feel like that would trigger some people like whoa well there and there were there were categories of of Christian mysticism And so St. Augustine would have been considered a Christian mystic and actually a nature mystic.

And so he would actually talk to the animals. There's one story of a town that was being... You would talk to animals? Yeah, there was one story where there was a town that was being haunted by a demon-possessed wolf. And this town was just being ravaged by this wolf. Dog man, yeah. Yeah. And so they had Augustine come in.

And the story, or legend, if you will, says that he, comes in and then he walks out and he sees the wolf and he approaches the wolf. And it's such an awesome story. He addresses the wolf as brother. And he says, brother wolf. And he preaches the gospel to the wolf. And then when he returns back to town, the wolf comes with him. And then from that day forward, the wolf lived peacefully among the townspeople.

There was another friar. They called them the flying friar. And this was a guy who worshiped the Lord by doing dishes. And I'll get you the actual name for the show notes. But the stories would be told of him where as he's washing dishes, he would go into such an ecstatic state in prayer and worship of the Lord, that he would begin to go into a trance with the Lord. And as he's just worshipping and seeing, they said a smile would come on his face, tears would

come from his eyes. and his body would begin to lift up off of the ground in this ecstatic state of worship. And they called him the flying friar and people would see him. There's even one story where they had to position the cross on the new chapel and they couldn't get up there. And so the Lord lifted him up off of the ground and he positioned the cross onto the. And so what I love about these guys is that these are guys that had set themselves apart. These are guys that remained loyal to the system. That's all they had.

There was no Protestant Reformation yet. But they loved the Lord. And yet they didn't want anything, they didn't want the system to be in them. And so they removed themselves. And yeah, so I'll also give you a reference for a good scholarly study of the early Christian mystics for you to include in your show notes. For people that want, you know, a good, like legitimate source to be able to study this conversation. Yeah, not me. But I find this really interesting because, so the sinus cephali, this ancient cryptid, I would say, that was humanoid, but the distinguishing factor is they had dogheads.

Just Cephas wrote about them. There's a lot of historians that wrote about it. In fact, some historians who did not, they competed with each other, agreed on the fact that the synonycephalide was a thing, dogheaded people. And the fact that I forget the person you mentioned who went out into the wilderness, but so like, all right, preach to gospel of all creatures, right? There's that. He's preaching to, let's just say it's a sinus cephali, a dog-headed, or a dog creature, right? Well, isn't it, I always going to, I think it's St. Christopher, who at times is portrayed as a dog-headed person

who the gospel was preached to and he converted. Like, have you heard of this? No, no. Okay, this is new to be. So I'm telling, well, let me educate you bastard. Please. But it's like, what you're saying is kind of cross-referencing into other things that I've talked about on the show that I've heard. And it's just like, man, they, the sinus cephali were such a real, um, at a times problem. But they, there was such a reality that, uh, there, I believe it was like over a hundred thousand of them in one civilization that they were hired out as mercenaries because they were extremely good at killing.

And it's just like this, this is historical stuff that if you reach back in history, it's all there. If you look at ancient maps, you'll wonder, why is there an upright standing dog on this one continent? It's because that's what was there. Wow. And so it's like when you look back at history, you are slapped in the face with the supernatural. You're slapped in the face with things that you're told don't exist. That's just for X-Men. That's just for Hollywood.

That doesn't exist. And the reality is it absolutely exists. we've just been so dumbed down from the supernatural, divorced from it, that we don't understand it. I am on a journey right now trying to get more of a framework and understanding in my own person as to what this is all about. I have a grandfather. In my book's coming out later this year, and in my second chapter, I write about my grandfather and him introducing me in a way to this supernatural. And my entire life has been, like, there's been pieces of the supernatural thrown at me. and I'm trying to understand it the best I can.

And I found myself at times trying to force it last year. Lindsay diagnosed with breast cancer. I go home, she's diagnosed, and I'm like, I'm going to fix this. And I'm studying scriptures. I'm like, okay, how do we do this healing thing, you know? Yeah. And then I stumbled at Mark where the Lord said, first you have to believe. I'm like, gosh, I need you to show me so I can believe Lord.

And then after that, he's like, oh, and also you have to forgive. I'm like, oh, gosh, all right. Lin's, this is going to be a little bit of a process. I'm going to take the back seat on this one. Yeah, yeah. But it's just supernatural. It's so intertwined with our existence. And the more we study in scripture, it's like it's layered, it's complicated, it's not easy.

And I respect people like you. Like you have a tremendous healing ministry. You see people healed, delivered a lot from what I understand. And I mean, even when we were in Texas recently, I was just mentioning I have the bummed shoulder. And you just come over and start praying for me. I'm just like, man, I love this guy. Yeah. I love this guy.

Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't always that way. When I, you know, I was raised in the church. My grandpa was a pastor. My dad was a pastor. I wanted a different kind of future for my life. But my parents ended up going through divorce when I was in high school.

And the church where I was born and raised, all of a sudden, my mom and I were going to have to leave, leave that church. And that was just a devastating time for me. Because it wasn't just a devastating time for me. Because it wasn't just my church. You know, a lot of people are like, a church is where you go on Sunday. Well, well,

that was like my home. That was like my second home. It was, it was totally my identity. That church was my complete identity. And so when we were, when my mom and I had to leave the church, my dad had already,

had already left, it was like a part of my identity was, was dying. Like, who am I now? Like, I'm, like,

I'm knowing now. And I had to go to a new, a new school, make, make new friends. So I got very broken. My broken. turned into bitterness. I never denied God. I had too many encounters that I couldn't deny with

God, but I was just done with his church. And I was done with ministers, hated pastors, pastors kids. I would go with my mom to try to start attending new churches to try to find a church. And I was so critical. Like I was just, yeah, just so just done with that whole kind of church system. And then God actually used this, believe it or not, this divorced woman who was actually saved under my grandpa's ministry out of the whole like hippie thing, disciples by my parents. And she ended up coming to pastor of this church because they just started going through pastors. The church got down to like 12 people. And then God speaks to her to come back.

She was in Australia doing missions work, doing youth work and stuff. God speaks to her to come back to pastor the church, you know. And when I heard that, I was so like, please, you know, she's, I loved her because she was like, like, you know, she was always around, but I was so critical. I'm like, you're a woman. And like, I just couldn't hope, man. It hurt, it hurt way too bad. When you, when your heart is so broken and then all of a sudden somebody offers you hope,

you know, you can't do it, man. Yeah. It just feels like you're being teased. And, you know, don't, don't tease me. Don't tell me, you know, and I just, I couldn't see it, you know. So she comes back and she asked to meet with me. And just out of respect, I was like, I'll meet with you. But I was telling everybody, I'm not going back to that church.

Like, I'll never, I'll never go back to that church. And so we get together and she and another elder meet with me. And I think they're going to be like, come back, you know. And we get together and they're like, they just start like apologizing to me for this, for all this stuff that had happened to me and in our family. And I'm like, I don't get, you guys didn't do anything. Like, Gail, you didn't do anything to me. So what's there to forgive?

And why are you apologizing? And she goes, well, somebody needs to. And so she's like, I want to stand in the gap. And I didn't even really, I don't know how all this works, but she's like, will you forgive me? And so just out of respect, I was like, sure, yeah, I forgive you. Now, I just said it. I didn't even mean it. you know, but when I look back on it, man, I hadn't forgiven anybody.

Like, I'd been taken, I'd been possessed with bitterness, man. And it was framing out my thoughts, but my words, I didn't say it was the first time I'd said. And that's the power of words, man. Like, you can say something and not even mean it and create a very negative trajectory. Like I see it in pasturing where a couple get real mad and be like, they just divorce me, right? And not even meaning it. Like, let's just go divorce.

And then all the spouse goes, fine. And the spouse didn't even mean it. And they just said something that they didn't even mean. And now all of a sudden, their marriage is on a trajectory. There's a portal open into their marriage. Two words, right? That's it. Yes.

When I said, I forgive you, a portal opened without me even realizing it. And the portal was my heart. And all of a sudden, my heart was open to something that it hadn't been open to. So I was on this hunting trip. and I have a dream. And in the dream, I'm back at the church. And it's amazing. And I can feel the presence of God.

And I'm leading worship, which I used to do when I was a kid, a musician, all this. I'm leading worship at the church. And it's just awesome. When I wake up from the dream, I'm singing this song that I didn't even know, right? And as soon as I'm done singing it, it's gone. And the Lord used a dream to put a desire in my heart to go back to this church that I said I'd never go back to. Skip a beat. God calls me into ministry.

You know, now I'm willing to lay my life down for the people that I used to despise. Right. So that's kind of like a very big story, my own kind of testimony, you know, in a nutshell. But man, yeah, words create realms. It is so true. And forgiveness will frame out our future. And that's one of the things that you said. You know, when it comes to demonic portals, you get to access all of these benefits.

You get to access power. You get to access entities. We've been talking a lot about, you know, Ibegain and the stuff that's happening with Trump and Joe Rogan and all of this. You get to go through a full inner healing sequence starting from your womb to your death and afterlife. You get to be transformed. But it doesn't require forgiveness. It doesn't require repentance. It doesn't require the cross.

You go through the death of your own ego in this experience in this contractual place, in the spirit. spirit realm. And that's what sets Christianity apart from any other religion is that we get to step into if we're willing of forgiveness that we don't deserve at all, something that we can't atone for, something that we can't pay for. And then when you actually believe that the God of the universe forgives you and loves you, despite you, like if you actually believe that, the God of the, the God in his perfection, sent his son to become all of your imperfection. Yep. So that you could be the righteousness of Christ.

If you believe that, then who are you to withhold forgiveness from somebody else, right? Who are you to withhold kindness from somebody else? And it radically transforms our lives. And that plan existed before you existed. That plan existed before the earth existed. He knew for knowledge. that you would exist, that you would transgress him, yet he put the plan in motion to do such things. Like, that is a level of love that as a human, we can't understand. We can't. Like,

the closest thing we can come to understanding is our own children. You know, like, I have a very hard time understanding a thing. Now, my kids are young, eight and five. I look at my kids, do they annoy me? Yeah, they get annoying sometimes. They say stupid stuff. They just, sometimes you just want to say, stop talking, right? But I can't imagine them doing something that I would be like, I won't lay my life down for you anymore, you know? Yeah. That's the only thing I can come close to comprehending this,

this sacrifice that he put forward, you know? Yeah. The Bible says that we were foreknown before we were four-framed. That before there was the creation of time and space that he knew us. And that word no, you know, in the Old Testament, in the first part of the Bible, when a man would know his wife, it would lead to children. So it's actually that word no that's used there, it's not just, oh, I know Tony. This is an intimate. This is covenantal intimacy before the formation of all things.

Yeah. So you were talking about Trump and Rogan, the Ibegain. what are your thoughts on all that? Because, you know, so I've a game, Ivo gain, and I don't know a ton, I never dabbled with any of that kind of stuff. But there's this push to legalize such drugs for medicine. And, you know, I guess there's a narrative, and I say narrative, not disrespectfully. I'm not trying to push it down. It's just, I don't know how else to describe it, but there's this idea that Ibogaine or ayahuasca or something like that could be used and really changed the trajectory of like veteran suicide, things like that.

How, how, from your standing in perspective, you see, like we're talking about the effects of that and how it opens up your mind to other entities, realms, beings, all that stuff. When people are saying, yeah, but it saves lives, what do you, what do you say to that? Yeah, we get into this quite a bit in the actual book. What people don't realize is that Ibegain is not new. It's old. It's very, very ancient. But the application of Ibegain for therapy for PTSD addiction, addiction to opioids, that is new. So then the original tribes that were using Ibegain, if they weren't using it for post-traumatic stress disorder, then what were they using it for? Well, they would, with the, administration of a shaman of what they call gatekeepers. Portal guardians.

Interesting. Use the bark of this Iboga plant for ceremonial purposes in order to engage with the ancient ancestors in order to engage with their ancestry. Through engaging with their ancestry, they would get more revelation pertaining to who they were as a tribe and where they're going as a tribe. they would experience, instead of, you know, within a lot of ancient tradition, we find out what happened through our ancestry, through stories, through songs, through, for us, through books. You got to realize that within these ancient tribes, their tradition wouldn't necessarily be

something that has been transcribed. It'd be something that you actually experience. You would go into a dimension where a guide, where a spirit tutor would take you back and you would meet A spirit tutor. Yeah, you would meet your fathers, your forefathers, your grandfathers, your great-grandfathers. You would meet your ancestors. And they wouldn't just teach you your history. They would impart. They would download to you your history.

Now, the thing about these drugs, whether it's Ibogaine, Ayahuasca, DMT, is that you're not going in. You're going out. And you're going out corporately. So these are tribal ceremonial drugs that are to be experienced in the corporate. And that's because the corporate unlocks gateways. That is, all these things are counterfeit keys that we've been given in the scriptures. That's why in the Psalms it says, brethren dwelling together in unity, there God commands a blessing, that there's a place that when we come together as brothers and sisters in Christ,

there's an open heaven dynamic. You know, it was the perversion of this goes all the way back to Babel. When the Yahweh Elohim look down and see that humanity is so united, it says literally nothing will be impossible for them. And the Yahweh Elohim come down and then release the download the patch of misunderstanding so that they can't understand each other anymore. It's that which also gets undone in Acts chapter two where the Holy Spirit comes. and for the very first time, they can actually begin to understand each other again.

Yeah. So Babel gets unscramble in Acts chapter two. I don't think I've ever heard that connected like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's really interesting. So the ceremonial,

the corporate ceremonial ascension is exactly that. They go into these realms together. Their eyes are shut. They're usually laying down on the ground, usually around a fire. They go to the same dimensions.

They go to the same realms. They engage with the same. entities. And Ibegain, that's a 36 to 72 hour trip. Whoa. So DMT is six to eight minutes or something, but it feels like you've gone to Narnia for years. Yeah. No, Ibegain, you're there for three days, man. So that's centuries that you're actually here.

Dude, and it's our president that is fast-tracking this to get this approved so that we can utilize it for our own kind of outcome. But it is the same ancient gate, whether or not, A gyna white coat is giving to you an injection or you're in the jungles and you're drinking a thick brown soup. It's the same portal. You'll see the same entities. You'll see the same ancestry. And of course, because we're Americans, we'll go alone.

Yeah. You know, I'll go by myself in this room. This is about me. This is about my therapy. But these drugs were never for that. These were ceremonial tribal ascension portals where they could get their ancestry downloaded to them. So in America, we're individual focused on this meant for corporate use, not asking to draw a line of what is better than the other, but do you foresee there being a negative impact on people when it's green lighted and lots and lots of people have the legal right to. individually pursue this medicine on their own?

Do you think that they're, is it, is it that the medicine's being used in a way that it wasn't originally intended and it could have a negative effect, do you think? Or do you think it's just, in general, it's just not a great move? And I also have this nagging question. Have you ever tried it? I haven't. No, I haven't.

You had years of a rebellion. I just didn't know if you try. You're out there in Seattle. You guys out there do some things. Yeah, no, no. Never had, never that kind of trip. I will say. I love Seattle.

Yeah. I love someone. Okay. No, I must say right off the bat that I've got friends that have served in various wars and have been incredibly traumatized. And also having friends that have overdosed on fentanyl, friends that I got close. I've been in hospital rooms where I had to call people back into their body. So I've seen several people who are in comas for a long period of time actually come back and be given another chance. that are actually still alive today. I've done, because here's what happened, dude, like with this conversation,

we're going to have people in the comments that just start blasting me for being insensitive to veterans or people that have been through. And I just want to tell people that would do that. Like, I have done more funerals than they ever will for people that have ODED on fentanyl. Like, I'm in Seattle, right? Like, we have people in our church

that are resurrecting the dead on the streets of Seattle by laying their Bibles on their bodies. Is that right? Yeah. In fact, just this last year, the year started with a resurrection miracle where the, where the person was blue and the morgue was already there, like not the morgue, but, you know, the body covered. It was done.

And our people were, we're commanding life. The police officer that had the whole thing cautioned off says, no, too far gone. You know, there's nothing. It's done. You know, I've been in this. The police officer had been a, a copseller. had been a cop in South for over 30 years. It's done.

And as they're commanding life, with the sheet pulled over the body, the little girl sits up. Whoa. And she comes back to life. Not only that, she walks away without any sort of brain damage. Wow. So for... That was last year? No, it was this year.

This year? Wow. I'll also tell you about the guy that died next to me on the airplane if you want this year. Yeah, I definitely would get that one too. Yeah. So the resurrection power, we're seeing it right now. But the point being is, I've done more funerals than these.

people that will blast me in the comments have ever done. They've probably done none. I've, I've been a more hospital. So I have a level of, of compassion and understanding that most the people that will blast me don't even have. They think they have understanding. I don't want to minimize anybody's trauma. So if anybody feels like I'm minimizing their trauma, I, like, I get it. I get it. And that's why I've been a pastor for 17 years. I am in this for people that are in trauma. Like, like, that's why, that's why I'm a pastor. I'm a pastor to bring healing to the traumatized. That's why Jesus came.

So I just wanted to say that right off the bat. But just yesterday, I received an email from a guy whose friend went through an I-Bee and treatment in Mexico. And in his words, he said, he is incredibly free. So, like, that caught my attention right off the bat. He's incredibly free. However, since that time, The veil is gone.

And he is being visited by angels and demons at will. I would say, how can you be incredibly free if your new normal involves demonic entities coming to you on a regular basis? Uninvited. Yeah. See, that's what happens. You know, there is, hey, bring this into you. It's back to Genesis 3 in the tree of knowledge of good and evil. See how good it is?

God knows that if you eat this, you'll just, you'll be like. him but this will fix you this will make you but this will liberate you that you can ascend you can be like god this is the luciferian right um enticement seduction bring this into you it will free you it will liberate you i've never felt so incredibly free and that's the seduction of of ibegain is that as you go through this this inner this pseudo inner healing journey there will be aspects of your of your new born again experience that feel better but it's not necessarily better it's just it's different and through this journey you experience the death of the ego you experience your entire life from many people from the womb all the way to their death they experience

their their death their burial and their own resurrection but it's it's a Gnostic resurrection. And at that point, that veil is down. That portal is open. So the journey might be 72 hours. That's what you think. But now you're back into the conscious time and space. That portal is still open.

And that journey continues until you surrender your life to Jesus. You renounce those beings. You close that ancient gateway. And that's going to be a bit of a process. And what I haven't seen yet is, and I don't know if you have. have, and if people are out there and they've been through this process, they've, they've been to the I-B-Game process. They opened a realm and then they had to figure out how to close it. And they walked through that process of kicking out those familiars.

Those spirits they thought they knew and understood and trusted. And they've walked through, I would love, I would love to, I would love to hear the story. Because we're going to have to, this is going to have to be a part of the Christian. As this gets approved in our nation. And as people start going into realms engaging with these entities, with what I believe are actually watchers, actual fallen angels that are taking people through these processes, just the average everyday believer, they're going to have to know their authority. They're going to know how to walk people through the renunciation process to be filled with the spirit, kicking out the familiars, and introducing the Holy Spirit. So we're going to need models for this so that we can disciple the church in this. Geez. Yeah, I mean, that kind of goes back to what I was saying earlier with, you know, pastors needing to have answers, you know. This is just another piece of that new stage we're moving into. And times are changing. Yeah. And running, running a church the way our fathers and grandfathers did, it does, it's not applicable all the time to the culture we live in. The message stays the same. Jesus comes, crucified, resurrects. Like, the

message stays the same, but how do we navigate the waters of this current culture that our grandfathers did not have to? Is there a world where it could be interpreted that, so say somebody has horrible experiences in Afghanistan, you know, I graduated high school in 2003, so it's over 20 years ago. Iraq war was strong then. I go to Iraq. I didn't, but say I go to Iraq, I'm in combat, I experience an IED, I'm handicapped now, I have PTSD, I'm constantly depressed, and I want to, you know, unalive myself. And I go through this treatment and it seems to help me. I'm functioning again.

And yeah, I have this handicap, but I don't want to depart from this world. and it feels like that that's been the helpful thing, right? Is there a world? And I'm not trying to, though I probably am, I'm not trying to over-spiritualize this situation. Is there a world where that horrible situation that I found myself in or whoever found themselves in, some kind of spirit of death, unaliving comes on people in those moments. because it's an open door to do so. And because that happened,

that spirit of death can also leave under its own decision-making. And it's like if we introduce this Ibogaine realm and introduce this person to all these entities that fix the problem, I'll retract so that this can get pushed forward. And so it's similar, and I've never done exorcism, never done deliverance, but I hear that people who have many demonic entities within them, the more powerful ones will push the other ones forward during an exorcism.

In a similar way, could it be that in these horrific situations, spirits will come up upon people to push them into these situations where ultimately, yeah, I wouldn't mind you vacating this earth. But if you go down this abogaine, I'm willing to take the step back. and let this one come forward. Yeah, and I imagine you will be doing probably quite a, quite a bit of deliverance in the in the days ahead. You know, the wonderful part about that is, is that it is so needed, and it really is a ministry of the Holy Spirit.

And so a lot of stuff that we see publicly is maybe a little overcomplicated. A good friend of mine was called into a public middle school to take a kid through deliverance in our area. Public middle school? Yeah, it was pretty wild. the church had the church in our region had an opportunity to go into the middle school district in one of our districts and restore their sports program in all their middle schools so i think there's nine to 11 middle schools and they started with with soccer and what was cool about it

is that all these soccer teams were um had coaches that were all christians that were all believers and so there was this kid out in the playground he's thrown people around with superhuman strength. This kid was just thrashing people. And it was the soccer coach. He knew him. He was one of his kids on his team. Went out and just grabbed him and just held him like this. And then got him back into his office. And he just, he could see the demons in his eyes. But this guy comes from a tradition that doesn't really have any sort of training in deliverance. He didn't know what to do. So he called my buddy. My buddy had had done it either. But he knows the Holy Spirit in an incredible way. So he goes in there and the Holy Spirit just walks him,

through systematic deliverance without any sort of training. Wow. The Holy Spirit just showed him how to do it. And the kid couldn't say Jesus. Can you say the, he said, can you say the name Jesus? And the kid would just wig out and this voice would come out of it. That's like a full manifestation. So he led the kid through deliverance and the kid got set free, you know.

And the next day the soccer coach asked the kid, hey, what happened? And he goes, I was walking to school. And there was this big black dog that started following me. and then it started chasing me and then it jumped into me. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. So the point is, the point is that my buddy who had never done it before did it just because

of his relationship with the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit that was in him. So it's the work, it's really the working of the Holy Spirit. And then usually where most people that are new to deliverance, where they go wrong, is they think it's on them and they think that they're failing. Deliverance is so psychological because what the demons are trying to do is they're trying to play off your own fear and insecurity. So usually like the first few times

that you're taking somebody through deliverance, you have all these thoughts that are coming to your head. And the thoughts are, this isn't working. I'm doing something wrong. Or I'm failing. Or I don't have authority. Well, that's all demonic. That's all lies.

So one of the biggest mistakes that people make is they approach it like a sprint instead of like a marathon. And so if you just remember that, In Christ, you have more endurance than the enemy, and you can out endure the enemy. And you just stay in rest, you stay in peace. And even like in Catholicism, when they don't know what to do, those priests, they just start reading the Psalms.

They just start reading the scriptures. And it's just driving the devil nuts. When they don't know what to do, just read the word of God. How did Jesus fight the enemy? He said, it is written. Jesus would just start quoting the scriptures. Wow. Right?

And so if we just remain at rest, we stand in our authority. and we just stay present. We just keep commanding those things to go. You know, they will because they'll recognize, you know, we don't really, a lot of people, we don't really know our authority in Christ, but you got to faith it until you make it. And that means it's not about what you feel,

it's not about what you're thinking. You got to shut all that stuff down. When there's spiritual warfare, you can't trust your thoughts, man. It's not about your thoughts. You can't trust your feelings. Discernment is not a feeling. The sermon is faith.

Okay, and so you just stay in faith. So I just wanted to say all of that. It had nothing to do with what your question was. The question was regarding a spirit of death. Oh, yes, that's right. Yeah, for veterans. Yeah. Okay, what we should look at that is that we are such separatists.

We don't mean to be, but there is so much Gnosticism within the church where we just want to separate everything is this is spiritual and this is not, right? This is natural. This is supernatural, right? No, we are living in a supernatural. world, we are supernatural beings. Our soul is very spiritual. Our mind or will and our emotions. That means that the enemy is always coming to exploit. So if you see something, it's so traumatic and your brain doesn't know how to file it or categorize it, your brain will keep pulling it back up

because it wants to be told, where do I put the file? This thing is so corrupted. This thing, there's so much cognitive dissonance isn't even the term, you know, this is like a soul corrupting file and the Lord has created our brains to be like, let's deal with it now. Can we deal with it now? And this is what people call them, you know, flashbacks, night terrors, reliving the same thing. That's just the brain saying, I got to file this. I got to file this. What do we do with this? Well, the demons are there. And every time that comes up, the demons bring lies, shame, whatever it can to exploit. This is your fault. You didn't deal with this right. You are wrong. You did evil. You are evil. You failed. You are a failure.

So it's these facts that and the enemy comes to bring those facts to bring lies into our feelings so that we will damn ourselves. And that's where the term, I don't know, not alive yourself or whatever. That's what that comes from. When we believe the lie that we didn't only fail, but we are a failure. We didn't only sin. We are sinners. That God can't even stand us. The world would be better off without us.

That is demonic exploitation. And so then when you realize that now, it's not so much even a spirit of murder. It's just, it's like a lying spirit. It's a spirit of shame. It's a spirit of fear. And guess what we all deal with those same spirits. It's just the intensity and the frequency is different because of the trauma was so severe. There's just more opportunities to exploit.

But when you recognize that it's the same spirits, it's just a different level of intensity, then we deal with it the same. You say, well, how do we deal with it? First of all, we got to realize that people that are under deep shame. You know, in some of these environments, you have to do things. You do things that you would never normally ever have to do because you're put into a position, you know, and then there can be a seared conscience, and then you can do other things not because you had to, but because you could. And that's where the enemy gets in, right?

So then what are we dealing with? We're dealing with sin or transgression. We're dealing with bitterness or unforgiveness. the guys that put us there. Why were we even there in the first place? The people that didn't understand us when we came home. I'm putting myself in veteran's shoes. I'm not a veteran, but I just, I love, I deeply respect our veterans.

So I don't, I sure hope I don't say anything that would be, that would be triggering. The point being is that if there are people that are watching that are in this place, the way that we deal with it is we got to find a safe place where people won't be partnering with these spirits. We've got to find a safe place. Hopefully it's in a church, a community. You've got to have a community of people come around you that love you because we are destroyed or we are broken in community and it's also community that the Lord uses to restore us. So you got to get people around you that will love you no matter what. You got to have people that around you that they're operating in the spirit of love and compassion and not shame, that there's no shame there at all. Why? So you can be honest.

So you can talk about this is what happened. This is what I experience. This is what I had to do. This is what I chose to do. And when there's confession, now the light comes in and there can be repentance. There can be the process of forgiveness. So it's dealing with transgression. It's dealing with unforgiveness towards God, others, and yourself, right? And then it's having the humility to receive this love from the Father God. It's having the humility to be able to receive love from people around you. That doesn't happen in a moment. That happens through a bit of a process, but it certainly can happen. And it's the same process that people go through with Ibegain.

But it's more of a process. It's more of a journey with Jesus. Because in this world, we try to hack everything just to get to the outcome. I just don't want to be depressed anymore. I don't want to be angry anymore. Just don't want to be addicted to opioids anymore. So just give me what I need to do to do this. And with the Lord, he's always wanting to take us from Egypt into the wilderness before we come into the promise land.

You see, Ibegain says, skip. the wilderness. You get to go from Egypt to the promised land, just like that. But when you follow Jesus, he's like, nah, I'm getting you out of Egypt. That happens right now. But now you're going into the wilderness. Why? Because I want you to know me, right? I want you to trust me. It's more about the relationship and the journey. It's more about the intimacy. And that's where you'll find your healing. And then through trust and rest, it's more about the relationship and the journey, even more so than living in the land of promise. That's like, I mean, what you just described,

it takes it all the way back down to the foundation of our simple existence here is about Jesus. Amen. And so when we're skipping or cutting corners, those corners often cut us away from a more intimate relationship with the Lord. Like, if we can come to understand why we're here, Like we're not here by accident and we're not here to as an experiment to see, well, let's see what this one turns out to be. It's literally every person here has been designed to glorify and worship Jesus.

Yes. And when we try to cut these corners, it often is us cutting corners away from Christ into something else. And that's the war between these two kingdoms that we're constantly facing. There's this kingdom of darkness that is trying to lure us away. and there's tactics that are involved and not always the same. And there's this kingdom from heaven with the Lord. And he's constantly wooing us. But the way he does it is not forceful.

He's like, nope, I'm going to woo you through my Holy Spirit. But you're going to have to meet me halfway. And you're going to have to choose. Are you going to cut this corner or are you going to go through the work? Or are you going to go through that 40-year desert before you get to the promised land? Yes. And we're just at least, and I always say this on the show because I'm so uncultured. I'm so untravelled.

The only time I've left the country is to go Niagara Falls for a week. That was it. And I came right back. Yeah. I'm done. Yeah. I'm back, baby. Safe.

But like, I can speak from my culture. And it's like we're so accustomed to cutting corners. How can we get it done fast? And it's like when we, when we have that mentality, it often doesn't leave room for the Holy Spirit to do the work that he needs to do in us. And I've experienced that in my own life. And I know there's countless of people. who listen to this show that I've experienced that and they've come full circle. I get your emails,

we get your DMs, we see you guys giving us these praise reports of like, you know, something that we've said that has spoken to them. And I was there, you know, and maybe it's something that's show, I guarantee you the things that we're talking about, somebody's being blessed by and making them that literally turn the corner that God wants them to and not cutting that corner out. And they're just like, you know what? I just got to put the work in. I got to sit in the still quiet place and let that Holy Spirit just do whatever it does. I don't understand it. It's going to be hard. It's going to be painful. I may not feel the Holy Spirit, but I just got to let that, that, the room for the Holy Spirit to start massaging this callous of a heart that I have. And when you have a calloused heart,

that thing doesn't massage easily at first. Like, you've got to let him woo it and massage it until it's become soft again. And that sometimes takes time. And that's where the desert, that's where the wilderness comes in. And here I am preaching. Let you go past it. Oh, you're so good. You know, the thing about the wilderness with God's people, the Israelites is that they were out there together. So there wasn't just one, there wasn't any individuals out there. There wasn't one person that had to walk through the Red Sea by themselves. They were out there together. And when you go through an Ibogaine interhealing journey, you're not alone. You, you have a spirit guide or a spiritual tutor, an ancestor, a watcher.

There's all these names for all these guys. There's all these characters. There's, there's the shadow being that shows up. There's, you know, there's all of these beings. And they walk you through it. So what are they? They're they're shepherds. They are pseudo. They're pseudo-shepherds. They're counterfeit shepherds.

They are bad masters is what they are. Because they're strings attached. There are. They absolutely are. And we hear those stories that people come out of these places and yet the places are still in them. Like that's not fair. Like you didn't get to sign an actual contract stating that you were going to leave your soul. tethered according to a soul tie or attachment with these realms and entities.

So there's no disclosure on that on the on the on the on the on the front end right? Well, in the same way, you know, Jesus was said to Peter, do you love me? You know, then shepherd my my sheep take care of my sheep. So this is really the journey. If you decide to be restored within community, kind of the biblical way, God's way, you got to have shepherds in your life, man. You got to have people that that love you that are walking. through this process. And then you got to say, I'm not going into the wilderness alone. I'm going

into a wilderness with a few guys that know me, who love me, who are committed to this journey with me. And so when you go into the spiritual world, you form a soul tie or attachment, a relationship, a covenant with these beings. Well, when you go through this journey in the context of the church and in good, trustworthy shepherds, guess what? There's an intimacy. There is a bond there that is healthy. It is good. It's not manipulative. And you've got relationship now. Like real relationship. And so do you want to have that with imperfect people, right? I realize that. Yeah. Or do you want to have that level with a supernatural entity in a second heaven place of ruling authority, you know, I would really just encourage people to do it

God's way. Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely some people like, no, I want that second heaven one. I want that. Seriously, there's some people that just like, yeah, that sounds great. Let's do that one. But, I mean, it often bites you. It often bites you. And just take it for somebody, yeah, I've never dabbled in the dark arts and stuff. But I've talked to a lot of people who have, and I've talked to a lot of people who are still continuing in the dark arts that are still living under this, this umbrella, this illusion, and they don't even realize

they're being attacked and bitten up. And you talk to them, you're like, from my perspective, I'm like, you understand why this is happening, right? And it's just, the blinders are on, but there's... You can't lock your door to them. You can't ignore them.

You know, if you have a friend that calls you and you don't want to talk to them, you just ignore them. Well, if you have one of these beings that they want to visit you at 2 a.m., No, they're just going to come into your bedroom. They're going to wake you up. You know, we had a gal that was being tormented by a witch that she had consulted with

in order to help her with her future. And now this witch was showing up through the astral highway thing and show up and then could actually possess her body, take control of her body, and her body would levitate off the bed. And so it took about 15 minutes. And we just prayed and we walked through. there was, again, there was sin, there was transgression. There was some forgiveness stuff.

So it's always like the same open doors, right? It's always the same thing. Anything you want to confess? Yeah, I've been doing this. Okay, let's just confess that. Let's repent of that. Forgiveness stuff? Yeah, you know, it's usually the usual suspects, you know, mom, dad, uncle,

X, this or that. And we just, by faith, just release forgiveness. And then we start praying and this, in this demon, shows up and you know what's going on and so sure enough just just matter of faith break this whole tie with that with that witch and that was it man just boom so just shouting hallelujah and just completely free well you consult with someone because they're going to help you but now you've formed an energetic pathway and they can exploit that and they and they do and I don't know what's in it for them you probably have more understanding than you know some of the people that you've

that you've interviewed I don't know if I have understanding Yeah. So don't, yeah, don't play with darkness, right? Because if you're playing with darkness, you won't have the light in you to be able to establish any sort of boundaries. You know, if you could, because you just brought this case up, I got to have you share with the audience another experience you had with a guy who was grooming people through astral projection. I have talked to plenty of people who have gone through situations where they feel like they've been trafficked astrali. In fact, Hope Burrell Green sat in that chair talking about that very thing. And that got so dark that some of that conversation could only live on Rumble.

We put the whole conversation on Rumble unedited because we couldn't put it on YouTube or else I don't know if we'd be on YouTube anymore. And so, like, the idea of the astral trafficking, astral grooming, even down to, like, people who do astral projection holding meetings astrally so it can't be traced. Like, like, the astral side of things is so real and tangible. And you were involved in, I guess, as a pastor, you were being called into a court to give witness to what actual projection is because of what the case was. Is that what it was? Yeah, I was subpoenaed.

to testify in a trial in Seattle because of something that what we had was a guy that began by using witchcraft in order to get his own needs met. So he would use astral projection for grooming tactics

with children and with women. And then that opened up something where he was so tormented. You see, there was a benefit in it initially for him. And then he was so tormented by the entities and to be honest, I'm not sure what that torment even looked like, but he had to shut the whole thing down.

And he was willing to confess the whole thing in order to get free of the whole thing. Of course, through confession of that, we have to report that because you've got children that are involved. So that was a tricky situation because I've got, I have to be interviewed by lawyers that are representing him because, you know, he didn't want to plead guilty. And then prosecuting attorney lawyers. And I'm having to explain to them demonic possession, astral projection. You know, and they're looking at the one, the one, the ones of Catholic, the other is an atheist. Their eyes are this big around. You know, and I'm like, I'm using movies as metaphors.

I'm like, have you seen the exorcists? You know, and like, this is real. This is real stuff. And so just before going to trial, he pled guilty. And so then I didn't have to go in and testify. This is going to become a bigger thing. We're not going to, astral, whether or not that term is you. Now, I was just reading this, this, I was talking with Derek about this CIA document that

I was reading this morning right off the CIA's website. You know how they do these disclosure documents where they were talking about establishing energetic lines of memory from the past, present, future around people that you want to observe. Have you seen that? No. I'll send it over to you. That's why.

So there's no term of astral. I'll see if I've got the name of the document. It's called the Gateway. intermediate workbook. You'll see the top there, the address. CIA.gov. I love these titles, by the way, for these documents, it's like, golly.

It's a portal. It's a portal workbook. Yeah. And what it does is it's approaching the human body as a portal. Check it out. Look at the drawings there. You know what those arrows are?

Those arrows are energetic cycles where to focus your consciousness. Wow. Can you make sure you send that to jack so you can put that on the screen when they're produced? And if you work through it, it'll tell you how to fall asleep. It will tell you how to remember things.

It will tell you how to heal your body. It'll tell you how to scan your body. Whoa. And then it'll tell you how to form energetic connections with people that you love so that you can visit them. Wow. And it never uses the word astral once. This is all the science, if you will. This is called a scientific document.

If you look at the document was created by Monroe Institute of Applied Science. Of course it was. Of course it was. Yep. And so this is science, right? And it's the science of consciousness, energy, vibration, and intention. Which people would just say is the technology that God has given to us, by which we can hack our own anatomy. And yet you can also use it to hack people's privacy.

If this is simply science, that will allow me to actually go into your bedroom and send you messages. It actually tells you how to do that. That doesn't say bedroom, of course, but this is how to send messages. Then there's also statements of warning of how this information should be used. So it's basically in witchcraft. This is white witchcraft because we want it to be used for good. This is like a training document for the CIA. And so again, it's so, but you could see that the same science or technology of astral projection would be the same thing.

It would be through intention, memory, vibration. and they would establish a gateway from where you are in the present to where you want to be and then you would apply your energy into that that astral highway would be an energetic pathway of the soul. It's not spirit travel.

It's the travel of the soul. It's the travel of your own consciousness out of the body. So this is going to be a thing. This is not a new document, but what makes it new is that in the old days you had to be part of a cult to learn this.

What's the way, which is kind of a bit of, And I'll see, it's like, everybody, join us. Yeah. It's going to be great. Yeah. Not good. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. So that's a curveball because, I mean, honestly, like, again, like an underlying thing is pastors, if you're listening right now, pay attention. These are things you will have to give answers to. And you don't, it doesn't mean you have to have the perfect answer, but you have to at least be able to show people I've considered such things. Here's where I'm landing right now, but I need to look into it more. Yeah, I saw two equipping exercises this week that came up on. You can imagine what my YouTube stream looks like.

Probably not the same as mine. One was from a minister and one was from that crazy bald guy that telepathically channels the Martianity. You know what I'm talking about? No. He's very famous right now. He's huge. He's trending.

He sits up on a stage and he goes into a trans. Are you talking about Greer, Stephen Greer? No. No. And he telepathically channels this entity, this entity. this ancient entity. But here's what they both had in common. The Christian minister was training people how to oscillate their energy to a higher level.

You know, somebody that maybe even people watching this podcast probably maybe even know the video that I'm talking to. But this is a Christian minister telling people how to telepathically oscillate their energy frequency. And this is how to increase your energy frequency so that you don't get sick. calling this, this is the technology of Yahweh or the technology of heaven that God is given to us. Well, isn't it convenient that the same watchers, right, at work in Enoch, are telepathically accessing bald guy on the stage with his eyes shut who is teaching thousands of people there in the audience how to oscillate their energies to go higher telepathically and for their own health and safety.

Where do you fall in line with that? Like the pastor is saying that, I mean, it makes me uncomfortable for me. And I kind of fall in this line of thinking that like, you know, and I, because you and I have never talked in the show before, I'll just tell you. Like, I what I'm about to say, I'm going to bring up Enoch. I don't believe Enoch should be scripture. So just so you know, Pastor. I'm not trying to make it canonical. But, you know, it is a commentary.

You know, it's something to consider. Well, you know why it's not a part of the canon, right? I know reasons. so that when they take our Bibles, we still have the book of Enoch? No, I didn't know that. Perfect, though. Plan executed perfectly. But, you know, the idea that the fallen angels, the watchers, teaching man how to do things we were never meant to, we were never meant to know how to do.

Like, I mean, I don't know. Like, I just, I don't know how to feel. that on that. So we know that there was like weaponry, right? Pharmakia, right? But the one we don't talk about, makeup.

I know. I know. I know. Listen, if the barn needs painted, paint the barn, right? Paint the bar.

We're always so quick to like to pick on pharmacia, but nobody's picking on Revlon. That's all I'm saying, you know. Yo,

Jack, you know where I'm going with this. I just, last night, I think it was. I text Jack and Instagram reel. This woman comes on. No makeup, big old glass of hair mess, like zits everywhere.

I mean, it's just like she looked like, she looked like the witch out of, like, what was it? One of these. Wizard vise. Wizzar viz. It's snow white, you know. And she starts putting the makeup on. And at the end of it, she just, she looks like she's ready to go down a runway.

Yeah. And I literally texted. to Jack and I just said one word, witchcraft. I mean, it's just like, it's unreal. Yeah. It's unreal. Oh, golly. Where are we going with this?

You were talking about the watchers and, you know. Yeah, yeah. The frequency stuff because like I have a friend, I have a friend who had... I want to talk about the future of makeup too. We should get into that. Okay. When we're done there. I didn't know there was a future, but we'll take it.

There is. But I just have a friend that he's a, he's a doctor, he's a scientist, and he does deal with, I suppose to be, frequencies. I'm not the one to really educate on it. Sure. But, and I see the health benefits in it and stuff. And I just, sometimes I sit back and I, and I think I'm going to have them on the show just to talk about it, you know.

But I just, sometimes I wonder, are there lines being crossed that were not meant to cross, that we weren't supposed to be able to cross, but because, of the corruption and time then, we don't really recognize the fact that this was something that originated from somewhere that we shouldn't have liked makeup. Ladies, just take off the makeup. Just be fine.

Don't worry about it. Yeah, exactly. You don't need it. You're all beautiful. So the only way into the kingdom is like a child. So I think that we need to keep the kingdom very simple and childlike. And part of what's going on in the supernatural space

is that we're complicating it and we're taking it beyond Jesus. And what that does is that there's a transfer of ownership at a certain point. People can decide where that's going to be where Jesus isn't your Savior. Now your own mind is your savior. And that's happening in our camp. So when all of a sudden you don't need healing from Jesus because you can heal yourself and you're spending the majority of your time banging crystals together in order to oscillate your

frequencies because the wrong frequency creates whatever. I think that I think that's that's problematic and and then also it is that that takes you down a rabbit hole that just leads to you know it's like you know nobody ever just gets one tattoo right you know it's very it's very similar so it takes you into spirituality as a hobby and Jesus disappears very quick so Jesus is your is your is your is your savior he's not really your Lord because your applied sciences are your true saving lordships. So imagine taking all that energy, money, you know, time and applying that into worship, just worshiping the Lord, loving him, letting yourself be loved by him, diving into the Word of God, discovering what you're going

to believe in regards to faith, framing the Word of God as faith over your body. If you were to do that. Not only would you heal you or the Holy Spirit heal you through the Word of God through the promises of the scripture, you will actually begin to walk in healing in the lives of others. In fact, most people that I see that begin to do this, they actually begin to heal the sick before they're even healed in their own body. Wow. And their obsession becomes helping others and loving others. You see, in the new age, self becomes the obsession. It's a self, it's self-help spirituality. But the supernatural is demonstrated through Jesus. Jesus does not exist to serve us. It's to serve others. So that's the difference between witchcraft

and in kingdom supernatural work in Jesus' name is that we're not using the supernatural in order for our benefit. We are using the supernatural to serve to serve others. And so if people are sick and a majority of their time is on healing themselves, I would just encourage one just practical thing, would just begin to find ways to reach out, to love, to pray for, to believe for other people's healing and begin to serve others. And guess what? The Lord will give you faith for others. I always have way more faith for everybody else than I do for myself. And as you begin to give, I promise you, the Lord will refill your cup and you will have a faith for yourself that you didn't even know it's possible. That will grow. Literally, Lindsay gets diagnosed on a Tuesday,

that Sunday, I was scheduled to preach at church. And I stood in front of my church and I told them, it is so easy to pray for your healing. Yeah. It's extremely hard right now to have the faith to pray for the healing of my wife. That's right. Like I in real time was experiencing this like shift spiritually, mentally, focus. Like all of a sudden I was like,

it's been so easy to pray for other people's healing because I got nothing on the line. That's right. Now I got something on the line. Yeah, that's right. Like I love you, Sister Grace, but like, like you're not. not my wife. That's right. You know what I mean,

all of a sudden, there's real something on the line. That's right. And what you're talking about going around, praying for other people's healing, it's like this selflessness. It's just like, just giving yourself.

Yes. And the Lord sees that and blesses it. And when you see that applied in so many other areas with your walk with the Lord, even like financially. I was thinking financially. You know, when you can't pay the bills,

that is an immediate obsession right there. And it's the spirit of Laman, of Mammon, not Laman. The spirit of ma'ammon, torturing you with reality that you are not enough. You have not been able to produce for yourself for your family. And it's horrible. So how do you break?

What it is is it's the fear of lack. And it's even bigger than the reality of lack itself. And I give you all kinds of examples in my own life where it's like it's a spiritual attack. I actually have enough. I can actually pay the bills. And all of a sudden something happens. And there's this demonic fear.

you're not, you know, you know what I'm saying? You're like, this is it. It's how do you break that? You break that with love, which is generosity. And so you sew into the life of somebody else. You sacrificeally so. And it breaks the power of it just like that. Because the second you do, you realize money is not my God.

Yeah. You know, therefore I won't fear the lack of it. It goes back to fear and honor in a form of worship. And so, yeah. Yeah, so the same thing with healing, right? Don't wait until you're sick or somebody your love is sick to figure out what you're going to believe. in regards to healing.

Yeah. To figure out what you believe about it, start practicing the gift of healing. Wherever you go, you see somebody at the grocery store that's limping, hey, can I just pray for you real quick? You know, just start practicing, ministering the love of God. If they don't get healed, at least they know they're loved. Yeah. Because you had enough compassion just to say, hey, I notice you, I see you.

Can I pray for you? And then you'll grow in that. And then if sickness ever visits your home, you'll have a theology, you'll have an understanding, you'll have an authority to really walk in that, to bleed, to content. for it. Yeah. But you brought the financial, I, Joseph, so it was me, Alan Joseph over at Paul Begley over at Alan Deo's church a few weeks back. Yeah. And I always love listening to these guys preach, you know? Yeah. And so it was nice for me because Larry had me go first. So I could just get my job done. Sit down and just chill, you know? Sure. And Joseph used an example. He said

the short version, he said he had somebody steal a large amount of money from him. And I believe he had to do a spirit check at some point because I think he was getting really irritated. You know, he's very fraudulent. You know, somebody stole from you. But he didn't say this, but I'll take this opportunity to say when I was first married 20 years ago this year, June. We had a mentor, a married couple at the college that we went to, and they were the first ones to tell us that financially you're going to struggle, but you have to understand that this money is not yours, it's God's. And he's given, whatever he's given you, it's for you to steward. And I'd never heard that concept before that, like, it's not my money, and I have to steward it for

the God and I have to make decisions based on what God wants for that money, right? And so I take that idea into the Joseph story because Joseph had somebody, and he didn't give the details, but somebody stole money from him and it was a large amount. And once you get past your own feelings in it, he said, I wrote a check and I tithed the amount that was stolen from me. And I turned to God and I said, it's your problem now. And I was like, whoa. I was like, holy cup, it's, it's, it's all about perspective on this stuff, you know. And, and I do believe that, um, and I do believe that, um, if you don't have a healthy perspective, and I'm not trying to turn it into money thing,

but if you don't have a healthy perspective on finances, there's a strong likelihood that you're going to struggle, whether you have a lot or a little, because your perspective isn't righteous. It's not holy. It's not from God. It's not what God has intended for you to have when it comes to your financials.

God cares about that stuff. Amen. I was scared of money. Most of my adult life, I struggled with success guilt when I went from truck driving to being self-supported with this platform. I was like, what do I do with this? I was like, I shouldn't be dealing with this, you know? Like, I should be struggling, you know?

Like, I should be grinding it out in the truck, you know? And it took me a long time to just get comfortable with it. Wow. And so anyways, I'm going to shelf that because I don't know where I'm going with that. But it's good. It's so good. earlier you mentioned about our supernatural existence and we live in this this reality that's supernatural and and maybe a piece of that is something that a phrase that you hear people say

I don't say because I'm the opposite of it they say there's not a demon on every rock yeah I'm like yeah there is like you you wake up every day there's a spiritual war happening around you there's an enemy seeking your destruction every day you might want to act like it you might want to act like you're in a war and the enemies there are trying to chop your head off because they're there, they're there. They're ready for you. And if you don't want to come to that grip, then you look at governments around the world and understand what they're involved in and understand that they recognize there's a supernatural existence.

And you can go millions of different directions with that, you know, and we probably will at some point in this conversation. I don't know. But in your book, you talk about Saddam's point. portal. I don't know what the heck that is and what the heck that's about, but could you enlight me on anything that you know about Saddam's portal? I'm assuming Saddam Hussein, and this probably was probably uncovered some time in the Iraqi war. What are we talking about here? Absolutely. So, first of all, because we're Americans, we think that we are who we are because of the individual choices that we have made. And we tend to live in our own souls. And we tend just to think about

us and so therefore we make our religion just about us and we contextualize the supernatural of the paranormal to to us yeah i and this this is the threat of this whole conversation today right in regards to ibegain the individual or the corporate regardless of our intention it will go corporate because that's how the supernatural works all right so then we got to scale corporate to see what the corporate is about it's not about small groups okay it's not about two or more it's about kingdoms so when you read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, it's the story of kingdoms. So when you go into Eden, everybody thinks Eden was a garden, you know, with the talking snake and an apple that you weren't allowed to eat, right? Yeah. Until you read it and you're like, no, that wasn't a garden. It says

in Eden, God planted a garden because it was a temple city and all temple cities would have gardens. And you would know the majesty, you would know the power of the deity by the temple gardens. And so the more grandiose, right? So you have... have a temple city where it's God and man in fellowship. Eden wasn't the whole earth either, by the way. There was a little place on the earth. Do you think it was on the earth? Well, what I see it is, I'm not trying to derail it.

I see Eden as a place of convergence that is both earthly and heavenly. I see it as a celestial, terrestrial city. So my personal belief is that you got two earthly rivers with two heavenly rivers. I think that that's why we know where the earthly rivers are and we don't know what happened to the heavenly part of Eden. That's great. Yeah, I don't, you know, we think in terms of heaven and earth as a duplex. God lives upstairs.

We live downstairs. We're always trying to get them to come downstairs and that's how it was in Eden. No, I don't think so. I think that when Jesus said pray this way, let it be on earth as it is in heaven. I think that's because that's the way it used to be and that's the way it's going to be again, you know. At the end of the book, we see heaven coming down. We see the New Jerusalem coming down. And it's oddly the same as Eden with heavenly gemstones, the same.

gemstones that are mentioned. We would know that there's going to be a throne. We know there's going to be a river, Ezekiel's river that's going to be coming from the throne of God's, you know, it's like, I call the New Jerusalem Eden 2.0. The book literally ends the way that it begins. Wow. When you read the Bible and you see the storyline of that. And so the reason why I say all of that is because I forget what the original question is, where are we going with all that? Oh, Sudha. You were talking about corporate kingdoms. Yes. Thanks, Jack. Human humanity gets removed out of this portal city. Yeah.

Okay. This place of convergence. All of a sudden, you have humanity immediately start going into city building. And you start getting into the city of Kane. You quickly get into Babylon. You get into all these cities, all the way to, and these are just cities. These are kingdoms. And then all of a sudden you see Yahweh.

He's like, at Babylon, he's like, I'm done. I am done with humanity. He's like, I am through, right? And then you've got earthly kingdoms with their corresponding heavenly deities that are ruling over these earthly kingdoms until he comes to this dude, Abram. And he's like, I want to have my own kingdom. It's so fascinating. He's like, I want to have kind of what Eden was. I know this whole thing's corrupted.

So it's not going to be like it was. But it's going to be a shadow prototype of what is coming and what you. used to be. And that's where we get Israel. And it's a generational thing because everything God does is generational. You know, as Americans, we expect the plan of purpose. I know the plans I have for you, Dr. Harbour, you give you a future hope. That's going to happen in four years because Americans think in four-year political terms. No, God thinks in legacy and generations. And so he says, it's Abraham. It's Isaac. It's Jacob. Oh, Jacob no longer. Now your name is Israel. All right. And God is faithful. And he establishes his kingdom, Israel, which is

so fascinating. And then God stands in the city of David, through the seed line of David, Yeshua, the Savior, Messiah, who then comes and says, this whole thing's going to look radically different now. Because now it's not about a kingdom

in a location. It's now about a kingdom and a people. So now it's every nation. No longer Jew or Gentile. No longer male or female, slave or master. This is a new priesthood, a peculiar your people and now announce this, herald this. The kingdom of God is at hand. Jesus even said, I can't believe you said it. I would never say it. It's so scandalous, the kingdom of God is in you.

This kingdom. Right? And so I just preached on this last Sunday, you know, when the Jewish people were taken out of Jerusalem by the Babylonians, and they're in Jeremiah 29, we see Hananiah saying, don't worry, God's going to deliver us back into Jerusalem. And then we'll be safe and we'll be protect him, it will be favorable. And then Jeremiah says, no, no, no, no, no. You don't have to go back to Jerusalem to have the favor of God on you because you are God's favored people. Therefore, go into Babylon. And I had said two years, we're going to be delivered. Jeremiah said, 70 years. So go into this evil city where there are principalities and powers and false religions and all of this. Go into the city and buy real estate and have families and be prosperous and seek for the welfare of Babylon. And as you do,

find, you'll find welfare. That was a prophetic drama for the church, for guys like us that have to live in Seattle, where we know, I don't have to go to Israel to go to a holy place. I am a holy place. I am a temple in Seattle. I'm a portal for heaven. The king of God is inside of me. And therefore, through the church, right, we begin to herald and to propagate the king of God that is at hand. Well, all of a sudden, when you begin to think like this, this whole thing is a battle of kingdoms. Then you begin to see that every nation represents its own kingdom. And then you begin to go to like the capitals of these various nations. You will see that they are set up according to supernatural, ancient grids, maps, even our own Washington, D.C., right, was put together by

what was his name Lafierre Pierre Lafierre or something So French dude Yeah Who mapped it out as a Masonic altar Yeah Was he 33? I'm not I'm not sure Joel Thomas would know

Yeah yeah Joel's amazing Yeah I love Joel And so then you begin to see That these are power grids sources of energetic power and connection And that is the ultimate power itself Is the ability to do anything that you need to do do for your kingdom. Well, Saddam wanted that. Saddam Hussein wanted that. And he believed that Iraq was

seated on top of ancient Babylon. Babylon being the source, the original power source of all ancestral magic in every cult world religion. You can kind of be stemmed back to Babylon. And he wanted that. He wanted that power. He wanted that power source. And all of our governments do. All of our governments want, want this form of ancient power. Right. That's where Luciferianism, I will ascend. I will be the greatest. I will be like God or higher than God. You see that, that frequency, right? You see that, that longing in the kingdoms of this, of this earth. So, um, Um, Saddam actually believed that he was going to reopen that ancient, that, that ancient portal there in Iraq, that ancient Babylonian portal. And so in the book, we get into that. We showed the, the bricks that he used for a lot of the rebuilding of their structures there. They have inscriptions, um, dedications using the word nebuchadnezzar. He believed, he believed he was basically nebuchadnezzar. Um, he reincarnated. I don't know if he'd use that word choice, but that he wanted to unlock. Um, he believed, he believed. He was basically nebuchadnezzar. Um, um, he reincarnated. I don't know if he'd use that word choice, but that he wanted to unlock.

that kind of power and through his own administration and to reestablish modern Iraq and the same power and authority as ancient Babylon. To the degree that he even invited the prophet Paul Kane,

regardless of people's opinions of him, it doesn't really matter. This is just history. He invited Paul Kane to come and asked him to move there to be his Daniel so that Paul Kane would be his...

So I got pictures in the book of Paul Kane and Sudan together. And Paul Kane said no. From what I heard, I didn't put this in the book, but that he actually wasn't in agreement with America's handling of Iraq during that time. But at the same time, it sounded like he put up some sort of boundary

and didn't engage with that. But it's absolutely fascinating that you would have world leaders looking in the Bible to find portals by which they can actually hack going through the backdoor to use a prophetic narrative in order to increase more power for their particular nation. And that's what you see there with Desert Storm. I don't think that Desert Storm was ultimately about, well, of course,

weapons of mass destruction. Nobody really thinks it was about that. But most people say it was about the oil. I think that the battle there in Desert Storm around that part of the world it was a battle for an ancient gateway, an ancient portal. And the only reason I say is go everywhere in the world, find places of war, and you will find powerful ancient portals that are, that, you know, you can even go to Ukraine in Russia and see what has happened there in centuries past.

And so because of that pattern, it's especially obvious in the Middle East around Israel. I mean, Israel was a portal city. Why do you think all of these Eastern nations want Israel? It is a place of power. It is a place of access. And portals can be corrupted. Yeah. I don't, portals can be redeemed, yes, in the sense that we should use our time and attention to redemption to people.

Because at the end of the day, it's people that make up kingdoms. And that's where Jesus said, go into every nation, disciple, cities and nations. so we can see how that, we can see how that works. So I think that this book is really like, it's an exposing of the demonic to re-engage the church back into mission that our role is to think kingdom, not individual pleasure, not Christian hedon hedonism, right? It's a piper term.

It is, yes, because I was a piper guy. Me too. Yeah, yeah, which I love some of his stuff. Oh, yes. But it's to really re-engage with mission, and that looks like Jesus. And that looks like I'm here not to be served. I'm here to serve, to give my life, and to disciple people into the teachings of Jesus.

Wow. You know, we see patterns of that, even in Scripture, the world, governments, kingdoms, wanting to use biblical power and authority. And I'm drawing a blank on the man's name. I believe it's Acts 8, who's trying to purchase the power of the Holy Spirit. Yes, Simon. Simon, that's what it was. I knew it started on this. But like, you see that kind of.

concept of real, real, recognize is real. You see the power and you want it, you know? And Saddam

willing to bring the prophet in to be his Daniel. Like, like, it's like, I don't care what I have to do

because I'm theology less. You know, I might hold to a certain thing publicly, but at my heart, I'll do whatever I got to do to get what I want.

And you probably are familiar with it, but the, the WikiLeaks and the emails that Clinton had and the one subject line in her emails with requesting the body of Gilgamesh and where the location of the dead Nephilim. Like that's in her email server. And it's just another shadow of an example of government kingdom authority seeking power

through the scriptures and through ancient means. It's like it's this constant trying to resurrect what was once done and and and bringing it all the way back to the foundation of this conversation for the listening audience. It's like you have to understand. You are a supernatural creation. You live a supernatural reality. And though you've been manipulated to not comprehend it completely, to understand it completely or even believe it through the culture that you were raised in, those who are in control

of designing and building out the culture around you, they believe it. And so they've gotten you to buy into this idea that there is no supernatural. And behind the curtain, they're working those gears constantly. They're trying to. And you're going to find yourself in a situation where you're like, I don't understand why this keeps always happening to me. And you're constantly confused by certain things. And it's because you're lacking a spiritual perspective of, your life. There's a reason why there's a repetition of things happening. Maybe it's because, yeah, you make bad decisions, but maybe it's because you're making these bad decisions because you have something attached to you that you don't even recognize, that you need deliverance in.

Maybe there's an entity that feels like it has legal rights to you because of something your great-grandma did, and you need to cut that off. You know, and maybe that one thing that just seems to always keep having you will stop when you start taking supernatural legal authority over your life. And that's my thoughts on it. It's good. It's good. You know, I just think about the Clinton's and what you're saying about the Nephilim, and Nephlam is popping up everywhere.

Yeah. Confessionals, we can talk about Nephom. Yes, you can. You know, the sin of the nephalum is the result or the fruit of hybridization. And by hybridization, what I mean is you have two, you have two different entities that merge and come together. And it is an imposition.

against God's original plan for for creation. And so what it is is it's a it's a it's a it's a demonic merging. I mean, of course that's what the Nephlin was the watchers and then the daughters of of man coming together. So that is a that is a demonic merging the result of which are these giants right. But when you see that the sin of of the Nephilim or the sin of hybridization of taking God's creation and then demonically imposing something on it that once done cannot be undone. You know, it's interesting with Noah's arc. Like if God had not found a righteous bloodline through Noah and his and his family, then there wouldn't have been a righteous bloodline for Messiah to come through, right? So what was that? That was an extinction agenda against the image bears

of God. Like it was the enemy to steal, kill, and destroy, to rob the earth of humanity so that there are no ruling ones on the earth. The earth was given to humanity, to steward, for dominion. So you get rid of the humans, and now the earth is a temple unto Lucifer, right? So that's always been, what is the earth going to be a temple object unto Yahweh or unto Lucifer? So when you begin to see hybridization, and you begin to see that through these, through these, you know, it's interesting with the grays, all these abduction encounters always go sexual very, very quick. Right. And then when it comes to even the technological hybridization with a neural link and these, you know, to the point where, to the point where your thoughts can be read and thoughts can also be put in your head. That brings up the makeup thing. You know, we were talking about.

Oh, yeah. Please finish that thought. The future of makeup. Yeah. So the new glasses or the new goggles, right? I was in this hotel in Moscow. Russia. It was a small little hotel room. And on the desk was a VR set of goggles. And when I put on the goggles, I was no longer in my hotel room. I was in a mansion. And I could explore this mansion. It was awesome. It was incredible. I had a balcony where I could go out on this balcony. So it was immediate escape from the ordinary, from the natural. Well, with our cell phones and with our filters, we can do anything. We can look like anything. We can appear like anything. That's where it gets into a lot of women, when they're doing pictures now, they don't even need to put on makeup because it's got incredible filters that do the makeup better than you could ever do on your own, on your own phone.

So where all of this is going is, of course, with the glasses, where I could see you any way I want to see you. Well, where this is going is in the future, if we all had glasses or goggles, then you could see me the way I want you to see me. And so I could purchase my own makeup filter so that when you look at me, you'll see me the way that I want to be projected. Wow. So I really see the future of makeup as I think that makeup's going to be done away. I think that fashion itself will be done away. I wouldn't imagine if we all just wear some sort of modest, if we all wear the same kind of thing. And then you're purchasing your wardrobe on your app.

And same with your house. So you remember when all the the crypto IDs, you could attach to artwork, comic books, and everything you own, you could have a virtual product with a crypto ID. NFTs, yeah, that would be attached to the crypto market. The idea with that is that you could purchase artwork for your home that doesn't even exist. And as long as you have the goggles on, when you walk into your home, you've got the most beautiful artwork. but it's cooler than real artwork because it's actually attached to a market. It's got its own unique thumbprint.

And so they were gearing everything up with kind of an economic benefit where imagine if you've got a leather jacket but it's your leather jacket is attached to the market. Your leather jacket is going up and down and value based off of what is happening with the market. And so with Neurrelink and with the integration, the hybridization of technology into our biology, the idea would be eventually, you're not going to have a device because you are the device.

And then whether it'll be eventually contact lenses and then basically just right into our brain waves themselves, we'll be able to project the us that we would like to project. We'll be able to be the us that we want to be. You won't need makeup. You won't need cool clothes. You won't even necessarily need a cool car. That's where when you see the globalist agenda that you will own nothing and be happy, well, how could that be true? Because you can still be whoever you want to be.

You can live wherever you want to live. You could live in a box, but believe that you're living in a, you know, in a mansion out in Napa. The other, we talk about this as well is that, you know, right now you have ads that show up on your phone. You know, you're driving by McDonald's and all of a sudden, you know, something will hop up. There's all of that stuff. If they can read our thoughts, then they can also give us thoughts. If they can read our dreams, which they're, which they can do now, apparently, there's new studies. Have you seen the studies on dream reading? If they can insert thoughts into your dreams while you're dreaming. Yeah. So if they can read a dream, they can see it a dream. And if you can see

a dream, you can see it a reality. So yeah, imagine when waking up at two in the morning wanting a Crunch rap Supreme from Taco Bell. And you're like, I hate Taco Bell. Why do I want one so bad? That's the future of advertising. It's getting immediate access right into people's souls. And that is the sin of hybridization. That is the sin of the Nephom.

It is giving somebody access to the holy place. It is giving somebody access to the Holy Temple. The only person that should have ultimate, unfettered access to your mind, your will, and your motion should be the Holy Spirit. And maybe your spouse. And we are willing to sign the terms and conditions because the benefits. And it's always going to come back to the benefits. And if you say anything, then you were a bigot.

You know, then that's what they're saying about us. Like, you hate veterans or you hate, right? You hate people that have been through. The benefits are going to be so extreme that if you speak out and you're like, yeah, but what does it cost you. It's fascinating. We also get into some of the health stuff. Because this is interesting that was it Project Stargate right when Trump came in with the with the nanotechnology for vaccines said that you'd have one vaccine. And then if you have any sort of disease, the vaccine could be morphed in order to adapt to whatever's going on in your body and that you could be cured from

horrific diseases within 48 hours with this with this technology yeah and so we talk about that it's it's the same thing through hybridization you can fix your body you can fix your mind drugs the drugs will be extinct drugs will be an app it'll be whoa euphoria for for a thousand dollars and for a thousand dollars you get to be high for the weekend wow you know and and so the benefits are going to it's it's addiction without consequence and that is what you're But that is the future. And this is a, this is a warning. This is a warning for the church that the only way that we're transformed is we got

to renew our minds according to God's words so that we are, and don't be, the warning there is don't be programmed according to the agendas and algorithms of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your minds. And I think that is the call right now. Absolutely. I mean, like, if you're, if you're, if you're, a proclaimed, like literally you have to be, like a self-proclaimed Christian, like you're, you're saying you're a Christian.

We're entering a time in our existence where you have to be about it. Like you literally have no choice because not only does the Lord read your heart, does he know your heart? You can't fool him. Traditionally, we've been able to fool everybody else around us. The way things are going now, these little portals that we carry around in our pockets, they know our hearts too. It knows our heart.

just recently I saw that the the phone so I have just as he got me on this I have this phone case that covers my camera yeah I saw that yeah yeah yeah and so I love it but I was a little weirded out at first because I can still unlock my phone I still can read my face even though I have a camera covered and I realized that it's infrared that's why they have you turn your head when you're when you're setting it up because the screen itself has it has infrared and it knows your face that it's has now allowed companies like meta to know your face and they're using that technology to literally see what your eyes are looking at on Instagram. Wow. So it knows how to feed your feed. Wow. So like if you're if you're on like a reel and you're looking at the top right corner at a poster in the back that showed something to do with like building muscle, all of a sudden

you might have advertisement popping in because your phone itself is seeing where your eyes are going. Wow. You're living in a world where there is no hiding anything. You have to just literally be about it. So there's no fake Christians anymore. Either you're a Christian or not because the truth will be revealed and you may not have to wait for Jesus to tell you the truth. That's right. Your algorithm might.

And all of a sudden, I hate to do this to anybody listening right now with their spouse, but like your wife might go on your Instagram and the suggested feed is, suggesting things that all of a sudden she's like, hmm, what are you looking at? You know, it's like, no, literally, I'm just watching basketball and stuff. But then I do drift to that one girl in the back there on the court side. You know, like it's just like nothing is in secret anymore. That's right. Nothing.

It's true. And so, and I'm not saying that boastful or prideful, like I have so much work to do in my own life, right? But I'm very acutely aware that there is no secrets anymore. That's true. And so like, like your secret sin that you think is secret is no longer secret. That's true. you have to operate under the assumption that your sin will be revealed one day. Yeah.

And so you have to be comfortable with the fact that you're imperfect, be honest with yourself, and those around you, because it will be revealed one day. Yeah, that's true. It's crazy times we're living. Everything is in the blue light. Yes, yes. Listen, I want to kind of bring this stuff for Atlantic. I think we've been going for, I don't know how long, probably two hours or so.

Wow. But I probably like... Time flies and you have fun. Right? Yeah. About 30 minutes in, I had a thought that I wanted to bring it up to you and I just kept on kicking it down. And I wanted to just bring it in here because this might be another 15 minutes. I don't know.

Okay. But speaking of the governments around the world, kingdoms, all that, let's take it home, D.C. I know you've looked at the way the streets are mapped and the pentagram and how it looks and all that stuff. But we're seeing our own government today, 26, the leadership, making people. decisions that if you look below the surface, you can scratch your head and say, hmm, that's weird. And the one that keeps pop up in my mind, I don't know much about it. And I'm curious if you know anything about it. This archway that Trump's having built in D.C. with the goddess Nike, the statue of goddess Nike on it. Like, it bothers me. It just does. And I feel like it doesn't matter.

And listen, I forget what it was. It was a couple weeks ago. Oh, it was one of Trump put out that picture of him as Jesus, right? Oh, man, I got a hammered from my perspective on that. Like, listen, I don't worship Trump. I worship Jesus. Did I vote for Trump? Yes, I voted for Trump. I think he was a way better option than what we had. But I also have no problem calling out nonsense. And I don't care if that picture was designed and the person who made it said, this is a doctor. anybody who grew up in America looking at that picture sees Jesus as a representation.

And if you're 80 years old in this country, I don't care what you say. There's just certain things that it's just like, come on, man. And so I say all that. I look at the archway and this goddess Nike, which I think is like a goddess of like victory and war or something like that.

And I'm just like, I'm not saying you should put Jesus above the archway. I'm not. And I feel like even saying, suggesting that could be perceived as like, oh, that's corny. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, or whatever, right? But like, why do we have to go continually 250 years now? This is literally this year, 250 years. Why do we have to continue to go down this road of ancient symbolism, ancient gods, ancient goddesses that have nothing to do with the one that we supposedly worship? It bothers the crap out of me. that it doesn't matter who's in charge. We constantly have the same old thing. And it's like,

and maybe it's because we as the church, we as the leaders in the church, are the ones that are supposed to be leading the charge spiritually in this country. And we've gotten this so confused where we've handed that duty off to the politicians. And then we sit back and we expect the politicians to be pastors when that's not their job. Right. And I just lay all that out for your open honest perspective on why is it that we constantly find ourselves going down patterns of of putting the Washington monument is another one and all this is like this symbolism it's like why do we do this yeah well when it comes to Trump he's not naive to spiritual things I don't believe yeah I think he was his first term I don't I don't think he realized what he was getting himself

involved because the systems or the powers that be didn't expect him truly to win that election. So when he won that election, I think it left people saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are we going to do now? Maybe even including Trump, like, whoa, okay, I'm in. What am I going to do now? Not prepared for the spiritual warfare that he was going to be involved in. So that's what I find it fascinating that when he won his second term, one of the very first things that he does is he institutes the faith office, regardless of people, opinion on Paul White. You know, everybody's got an opinion. But he puts a pastor and not just a pastor, but really an intercessor, a prophetic intercessor. You know, people criticize her, but people don't actually know her

and they don't really know what she's known for. Well, she's known for intercession. That's where a lot of her intercession videos have gotten in trouble recently because people thought that she was literally calling for the miscarriages of like witches with their kids. But she wasn't. She was calling forth for a miscarriage of all witchcraft so that any sort of agenda is coming from the second heaven into our nation, that those would be miscarried so that there wouldn't be an implementation. Well, if you don't have a theology for intercession or experience with it, you're not used to those kinds of prayers. But Trump installed her, not looking just for, he wasn't looking for an Osteen.

He wasn't looking for a Rick Warren. He wasn't looking for somebody that's pastoral. He was looking for somebody that was prophetic. He was looking more for like a prophet pastor. And, you know, people can disagree. But they're not. All right, cool. I could be wrong.

But you have to say it's very interesting that he instates a faith office where they have worship leaders and prayer warriors and intercessors in the White House almost every day. What are they doing? They're just praying. And I believe that's because Trump looked at this thing saying there's something I don't understand. You know, I don't know if Trump really understands what the heart of the gospel is. I don't know if Trump really understands.

But one thing I do believe is, that Trump knows about supernatural power and he knows that there is no name higher than the name of Jesus. I really believe that. Does Trump know Jesus? I don't know, man. But does he believe that Jesus is the most high God and that there is no other name higher than? I believe that Trump believes that because he wants the most high God in the White House. And so that's a complicated, that that might provide cognitive, you know, some cognizance because everybody wants it this to be clean. They just want it to be super clean. Nothing is.

The Bible's not even clean. Everybody's, our demand. Well, you don't put the demand on all these figures in the Word of God. Literally every person in that book is corrupted with the exception of Jesus, you know, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, just the list go, David. List goes on and on and on. So that's interesting. But going back to the archway, well, you're not going to put up a cross.

you're not going to put up a symbol of we are willing to die we are willing that our nation disappears so that every other nation on this earth can appear so the the jesus is the most high god the posture of jesus the christ is still foreign it's still a it is still a stumbling block for the for the powers of this earth for those who are in power so that's hard wrestle with that, that we want to use his name for the protection and provision of our nation, but we don't want to adopt the stumbling block of the cross and that place where we are willing to absorb the shame, the embarrassment, so to other people. And I'm not asking that America does that. I don't think that America is going to do that. I think the people that think that America

used to be about that are wrong. You know, that that these, the kingdoms of this, earth, that they are kingdoms, and that they are unto their own rule and reign. For right or for right or for wrong. Hopefully they use their power for good, right? I think America has done a lot of good in the world. It is awesome. But is this, but is America the kingdom of God? No, it's not, and it never will be. The kingdom of God is a people. It is a covenant people that are surrendered to Jesus. That's what we have to really ultimately say that my citizenship, okay, I love America. I love this country. I honor the men that have died for this country, the men and women.

But my ultimate citizenship isn't unto the United States of America. This isn't my home. I'm here for a little while, okay? But my ultimate citizenship is unto the kingdom of God. Seek first, the king, his kingdom, his righteousness. And when you think that way, you'll stop making other nations the bad guys. You'll stop compromising and being ignorant to what we, so that we can be, you won't be thinking of terms of good and bad. You'll be thinking of terms of, this is the earth.

I'm part of the kingdom. I've got a role to play, right? And so then, and man, I just so believe that we're not living in a literal Babylon. We might not even be living in a prophetic Babylon. I'm not saying that. But we're living in a metaphorical Babylon, especially being in Seattle. And we have to see that we have just as much covenant provision and protection being the church of Jesus Christ. I'm not a victim of Seattle.

I've been sent there. I've been called there. And Jesus understood that. He had to leave heaven to enter into this earth in order to be on a rescue mission. And guys, that's what this is. We are continuing the ministry of Jesus on this earth to redeem to restore to disciple. Awesome, man. I appreciate you being here.

And this is not the end of just the beginning. Darren Stott on the confessionals. Fun fact. We're going to record a member episode. but by the time people hear this, the member episode had already been released. So if you hear this conversation and you want to hear the membership conversation,

become a member, and then backtrack probably two months and you'll see... Perfect. There's the logistics of the situation. It's a time machine. Yeah, it is a time machine. Yeah, it is a time machine.

Yeah, yeah. Our phones are a time machine. Yeah. I've been developing a habit of doing that. I did that with a guy named Ali Seaditin, brought him in from Toronto. Yeah. Recorded.

I think it was like a three-hour recording with him. Wow. Wow. And then we did a membership conversation. Because like we did three-hour conversation with him on human hybrids, which was timely when I released it because it went out right when Matt Gates came out saying he was in that meeting, which by the way, I better not say it. I'll tell you afterwards. But also afterwards we did a second recording for members because he's Iranian. Born Iranian can't go back right now as a Christian. But he when he was going back, he was witnessing to his parents. And they were they were driving south somewhere for he. I forget what it was, but he was in the back of the car, preaching the gospel to them. And he saw, they all saw this massive UFO come out or flying in the sky. And then he said he saw something come out of the ground and the UFO go down into it.

This is in Iran. Wow. And I said to him, I remember I said, what do you think that was? And he goes, my word is not his. He said, Daniel 10, that's the prince of Persian. Wow. And I was like, so you're identifying the UFO phenomenon in Iran as the Prince of Persia. Whoa.

That was a great conversation. But yeah, so I mean, so we did that two-parter. And I released them out of order. I'm going to more than likely do the same thing here. So, Darren, before we get out of here, though, tell people again about the book and where can, where can they get it as of today as they listen to this? Yeah. Just go on to Amazon and order it. If you're on there early, pre-order it.

And it's going to be a wild ride. We get into all of these, all these portals, biological portals, technological portals, all the biohacking stuff. Let me read this list real quick. Yeah, I have a list here. Biblical portals, techno portals, neural portals, human body as a temple portal, the beast grid, religious portals, sound portals. I was going to talk about sound portals, but we got to eat lunch. Elemental portals, dream portals, myth of redeeming magic portals. Gosh, man, there's things to talk about.

But it's all in the book, right? It is. It's all there. And it's a wild ride. It's an important ride. I hope that people will take it. They absolutely will. I think that you landed on the right platform for this because I think people that listen to this show come hungry for this kind of stuff.

Yeah. And I hope people read the book. They take it in. They not only take it in intellectually, but they let us seep into their heart as to what's really going on in this world and what the true answer is and all of it. So there's only one name that says that's Jesus. And on that note, We out. All right.

Thanks, Tony. Yes, sir.