The Confessionals - 88: CIA 9/11 Whistleblower Susan Lindauer

Episode Date: September 11, 2018

In Episode 88, we bring to you a very special show that focuses on the devastating terror attacks of September 11, 2001. Today’s episode features an interview with CIA asset Susan Lindauer, who describes how she worked for the CIA leading up to that fateful day, and what role the U.S. government played in the terrible events that transpired. She also shares with us how her disclosure of the truth resulted in her being jailed, without a trial, for 5 long years. Patreon: www.patreon.com/TheConfessionalsWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail]: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcastTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelShow Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUwShow Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3

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If you were interested in becoming a patron, go to patreon.com forward slash the confessionals and sign up to become a patron. It's a great time for everybody. Now let's move on to this week's show. We have Susan Lindauer coming on, who's an X-CIA 9-11 whistleblower. She goes in the great detail

about what was going on within our government, within the Iraqi government, leading up to that faithful day. Months before 9-11 even happened, she talks about all the details. And then after 9-11 happened, when she became outspoken, she was the second American to ever be arrested underneath the Patriot Act. She was held in prison without a trial. And she talks about that on tonight's show. Let's get to it. Okay, today we have a great guest coming on. We have Susan Lindauer. Susan, how are you? I'm great. We're having a little bit of rain in Washington, but the creative chaos is firing on all guns in Washington. It's been dead waters for eight years under Obama. And now the seas are, the hurricane forces are unleashed. I tell you, CIA director John Brennan got it right when he called this a crossfire hurricane. It really is. Yeah. Yeah. I can't imagine living down there in D.C. I'm up here in Philadelphia area and stuff, and that town is, you know, a world of its own.

Yeah. They don't call it La La Lade for nothing. Right. But it is fun. I have to tell you, this is the most exciting period of time that I've lived in in 15 years that we've seen since Iraq. this really is, Iraq turned out to be a devastating thing, as you'll find out for my story, but it is a very exciting time to be in Washington. And we really are fighting for the future of our country. So, you know, on both sides, all, you know, there's no more stagnation. Right.

Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, you have a very interesting story. And I was really excited to have you confirmed to come on with me today because, you know, 9-11 is right around the corner and your story directly involves that whole situation. And now you were working alongside of the CIA back when this whole thing happened. And I just want to introduce you to my audience and let you kind of share your story as to what happened with you. But before we get into that, I wanted to give you the chance to let the audience know where they can find you on a regular basis. So if you could just let them know, you know where they can find you as far as your radio

show and maybe even like social media. Okay, great. I have a radio show on truth frequency radio on Sundays from 11 to 1 a.m. 1 p.m. Eastern time. 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. Eastern time. That's 8 a.m. to 10 a.m. Pacific time. So I, I love, I do a lot of radio and I love talking interesting people. This is an exciting time. We've got really good people with lots of different ideas. And my thing is not to tow any ideological line, but to expose hopefully enhanced discussions with lots of good people, good conversation. Absolutely. Absolutely. And so anybody who is interested in that, go ahead and check that out. It's definitely highly recommended. But Susan, if you could just start walking us into what

happened back in that time of 2001? Yeah, I was the, from 1995 to 2003, I was the chief CIA and defense intelligence asset covering the Iraq embassy and the Libyan embassy at the United Nations. Both of these nations, Iraq and Libya, were pariahs, hostile, isolated, very much. Libya was very much like North Korea, terribly threatened and frightened of any outside force. When I started my contacts with Libya, Gaddafi had not traveled outside Libya in 20 years because he was so frightened. And it was a very big deal when I actually triggered this. And there's some things I'm not allowed to tell you, but I did trigger it. Gaddafi went to visit first the President Ben Ali of Tunisia and he was so frightened.

It was something that I told him, something that I had informed him about. And he literally crossed over the border into Libya by 300 yards, 300 meters. And the CIA was like, oh my God, he's doing something. And they calculated exactly how many feet he crossed into the other country into Tunisia and how many bodyguards he had. And then there was a one-on-one meeting with President Ben Ali. And then immediately he crossed the border and scampered back into Libya as fast as he could. And then three weeks later, he went to the other side of the border of Libya, with Libya's border with Egypt. and he crossed over the border.

Again, the CIA was holding its breath, and they were really mad at me. This is the first time I ever heard the expression, extreme prejudice, because I had done something that they didn't understand, they didn't like it, they didn't want me to do it. I did not have permission. They were big on telling me, you did not have permission to do this. And if it goes badly, you're going to be dead. Wow. We're going to go, you want to know what extreme prejudice is? We're going to do that to you.

You better, that's when I first heard about it. And so I crossed, this was 1995, or actually my context with Libya started in May of 1995, and this was now January of 1996. So again, Gaddafi crossed right over the border into Egypt, stayed about three hours, and he came out of a meeting with Hosni Mubarak holding hands and Mabarak looked like he was about to throw up. Mabarak looked like, oh, I'm in so much trouble. The United States is going to kill me for this. But Gaddafi was grinning like a fox.

And we had done something very good. I demanded that Gaddafi had to have one ally in the, world who he could speak through and it would have to be Mubarak. They had to be a fellow Arab who would also be threatened by terrorism and violence and that he needed to have one, I'll tell you this one key. Libya required an ally who would be afraid of Libya's bad behavior. So if Libya's engaged in bad behavior, it risked killing off, literally assassinating Mubarak. And therefore, to keep the friend alive, Gaddafi and Libya would have to change all of their behaviors to protect their friend.

And now, it makes actually a lot of sense. But when I first told the CIA this, they're like, no. No, no, no. We like the status quo. We don't want Gaddafi to have any friends. And so that's where we came. That's the first time I ever heard extreme prejudice. Because they're like, if this goes wrong, you are a dead.

dead lady. And literally, literally at 4 o'clock in the morning one morning, when all this was beginning, I woke up to hear trash cans. I had, okay, okay, no, no, okay. I woke up to hear somebody banging through my trash cans and crashing the trash can lids together. And I looked out and there were like half a dozen sedans with cars. and everybody was unloading boxes and going loudly as loud as possible so that they wanted to know they were waking me up.

They wanted me to know what they were doing. And they took over, they commandeered the houses, two houses across the street, two houses on the same block of mine right next to me. And they all moved in and they all camped out watching me. And this was my first experience with, you know, heavy surveillance. you better be right or you're a dead lady. Wow. And I've never told anybody this story before. But after they moved into the houses,

four houses on my block, four of them. Jeez. Yeah, it was intense. And I was 29, 30 years old, 30 years old. Yeah, 30 years old. And so I called up my, I went to my CIA handler. He said, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan. He said, you can do anything, but you've got to tell me first.

He said, because I had gone to the Egyptian embassy, and I had told them something. I said, I have a message for Hosni Mubarak. I want you to tell him that I came today. And I had given advance warning to the 19, about the 1993 World Trade Center attack. So my message to Mubarak was, I came to see you. he'll know what that means. And the diplomat was like, why, why will he know you? And I said, oh, he'll know who I am.

He'll know exactly who I am. And the diplomat first said to me, that's ridiculous. Who are you? Who are you? I've never heard of you. He said, you ask your ambassador, Amr Mursa, who later would become the foreign minister of Egypt and then the head of the Arab League. I said, you tell Amarmusa that I came here today and that he'll know that I have a message

from a bark and I'm activating it. You owe me something and I'm here to collect. And he was like, oh, that sounds like a threat to me. So apparently, but when I got home, the diplomat had spoken to Amur Mousa, who was then the ambassador in Washington. And he said, oh, Miss Susie, he left a voicemail message for me. He said, Miss Susie, oh, I spoke to the ambassador. He knows who you are.

I am so sorry. There are times when the people, the smaller people do not know everything. And I apologize if I was rude to you. My ambassador has immediately telephoned the foreign minister in Cairo. The foreign minister is waiting to take your message directly to President Hosni Mubarak, our grateful, great leader. Please tell us exactly what you want. Wow. And that was the night that the car has moved in.

that across immediately. And then immediately what happened was Hosni Mubarak. Someone, as my CIA handler put it, someone in the president's office, Hosni Mubarak, called someone at the White House. That would be President Clinton and said, what the heck is she doing? And then President Clinton, and he said, someone in the White House called the head of the seat. IA. And he called me. And we're going here, Susie.

And he said, you know, you can do anything, but you have to tell us first. And I said, but I didn't tell you because I didn't be really mad. And he said, oh, God, what is it? And then I told him, and he's like, oh, they're not going to like this at all. So I did it. I won, but I won. I just did it. I was just like, I don't care.

I'm just going to do it. Surprise. Wow. But they didn't. But they, in your show, I hope you'll, I hope, I'd like to ask you to play a song if you can. Oh, sure. Okay. It is called Bullet with Butterfly Wings by smashed pumpkins.

Okay. In the middle of this, they ratcheted up the stress against me pretty quickly. and I began playing very loud music in my house. I was like going to counter-sy-op them. They tried to sigh-op me. So I counter-sci-op them by playing. And I went to my CIA handler and I said, hey, I'm playing music on HFS radio. Because I know these are all Lawrence Welk guys.

They just listen to this elevator music. And now they're meeting the new crowd at the CIA. And we do things a little bit differently. So that night, when I was listening to A. H-F-S radio. The radio host comes on and he said, everybody, everybody, don't be afraid. We have a dedication to the lady who wants to go to Egypt from the guys next door.

And he said, nobody has to be afraid. Nobody has to be afraid. Of course, he was terrified. And I was like, oh. The song they dedicated to me was. was bullet with butterfly wings by smashing, by smashing, smash pumpkins. Wow. Smashing pumpkins, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, indeed. So if you, and it starts, The World is a vampire. Don, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. Yeah, you play that opening for me. The world is a vampire. Secret destroyers hold you up to the flame. And what do I want? I want you.

What do I want for my pain? I want change. And what do I got? Things stay the same. You know, it's a common story. It's a common story. But it's, it's, it's, it's, it was the dedication. So this is the first time I ever heard about, I, I, sorry, I haven't ever told that story on the radio.

No, it's fine. That's great. So it's your first. But I, I, I had a reputation for being a, a bad girl. The thing is, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, you, if you, you, you, you, like a bad boy at the CIA, then you're like, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, the CIA thrives on creative chaos. Okay. Okay. It really does. And it thrives on and, and we changed, I literally changed everything. Change the entire, um, equation of power with Libya and Egypt and pulled Libya out of its shell. We then spent the next five years working with Libya behind the scenes off the radar. getting Libya to abandon, to deport the terrorists, to stop providing sanctuaries for terrorists because they would threaten Hosni Mubarak.

Okay? The terrorists, he's like, well, if it's going to hurt Washington, then I don't care. But if it would hurt Hosni Mubarak, then it was a very big deal. Libya began to invest in, put all of its money into Egypt's economic development, hundreds of millions of dollars into tourism, hotel construction, building up jobs and creating economic opportunities for the very poorest working people of Egypt who had nothing. Egypt did not have any oil. So Libya was big on sharing its oil wealth with its own people, but it also ended up sharing

with Egypt and therefore helped equalize. I mean, Egypt is still very poor, but he helped Tunisia and Egypt as well. So it was actually very positive. And the other thing was that we worked to them on them to stop that, because Egypt worked with them to stop the proliferation of chemical weapons and nuclear weapons, because of the fear that the Islamic jihadists would get hold of the bomb. And so again, we had a situation where Libya was just off the radar. Nobody talked about it. It went from being high profile.

These are terrorists. They're dangerous. They're violent. To having absolute silence. And while all this deep work was done. And I have to tell you that when it was irate, furiously irate when after all, we persuaded Libya that to drop its guard, we persuaded Gaddafi in 1996 that the world was not going to be a hostile place. That he could have friends.

If he would behave in a neighborly fashion, Hosni Mubarak would help him make friends. And Libya wanted. It's like what you're going to see with North Korea. North Korea is following exactly the same pattern as Libya right now. I can see it. North Korea having been isolated and hostile and paranoid, now sees South Korea as a bon as you know it's a life it's a lifeline it's a savior and Washington DC Kim Kim Jong-un has said that you know Trump is is he respects Trump he

understands Trump he he's he's he's he's showing his reverence to President Trump and a lot of you know a lot of the audience you some of you may not like Trump but this was very well played Trump is doing this exactly right because he's showing I'm tough and strong and you better respect me, but at the same time, I'm going to be merciful. We're going to help North Korea rebuild its relations. We're going to denuclearize. We're going to have a safer neighborhood. All of the tensions are going to ratchet down.

And it's exact what's happening between North and South Korea with reaching out to President Kim in South Korea. this is exactly what we did with Libya and Mubarak. It's exactly. And it's going to succeed. It's going to succeed. Well, we all can hope so. You know what I mean? Like if you're American, you want the best for this country.

So whatever the leadership's doing, you hope they understand things and, you know, are making the right decisions. Yeah, that's right. I'm the kind of person where I don't get, I am not, I never try rooting against my leadership. even if I don't agree with my leadership because they are the ones making decisions. So whatever decision they make, I'm behind because I just, I want what's best for the country. So I just hope that whatever they're deciding is the right decision. You hope it succeeds.

Sure. You hope it succeeds. And that's what we hope. You know, that's that I've worked with, you know, every president from Clinton, eight years of Clinton, eight years of Bush, eight years of Obama and now and now Trump. So this is my fourth president. And I always try to help every one of them. And sometimes they take it well. And sometimes, unfortunately, under George Bush, they took it very badly.

Yes. Well, let's kind of get into that whole situation as to how things developed for you. And I think it started really in early 2001 is when you started having the signs of what was going to happen on September 11th, right? Yes. And it's important. You know, I'm glad I gave you that segue about how. Creative Clinton was, President Clinton's administration was, they were far more open to creative, chaotic solutions and creative risk-taking, creative risk-taking and intelligence, not for the purpose of war-mongering at that point, but because they were applying strategies for where military action. was not necessary.

Okay. Creative strategies that were military action was not necessary. Since 9-11, we've seen every problem as requiring as a nail that requires a hammer. And there are other ways of dealing with these problems that do not require a military intervention. Absolutely there are. No, I absolutely agree with you. Sometimes, you know, the hammer to the nail isn't always the right answer. Most of the time it makes it worse, unfortunately.

So coming up to 9-11, having had a great run with President Clinton from, and not everybody likes President Clinton, I'm not asking you to like President Clinton. I do not like Hillary Clinton at all. But Bill Clinton and had his problems, but on intelligence in the Middle East, he was actually better. and I'll show you that but I was so used to dealing with his way of dealing with it that Bush had the entirely opposite strategy which was he was manipulating for war. George Bush had come into power. George Bush the second, baby Bush, Bush boy came into power promising non-intervention. He would not finish the war in Iraq that was his.

father had started. He was going to have, you know, use diplomacy and peace. And all of us had very high expectations that he would do what he said, because he just had, he'd been campaigning on this point. But in fact, he had a, he was nefarious and deceptive. He had a totally different agenda, which was to start a war with Iraq at any cost, anything that would have, anything possible that could trigger that war. He was going to go finish his dad's war and he was going to show his dad that he could do it. And it turned out, of course, to be the most catastrophic mistake ever in the history of the universe. It is a pernicious war. It is not going away. It is not going to get better at this point. I predict there will be a war in Europe now. And a lot

of people are starting to see it, but I'm actually going all the way and saying there's going be an all-out war in Europe. And there will be a simultaneous war in Israel, okay? Because as soon as the wars, the Europeans are already dissatisfied with Israel's performance on the Palestinian settlements and the territories and the abuses, the humane rights, the grotesque human rights abuses of the Israelis against the Palestinians. So Europe will be tied up in its war with the Arabs in their own country in their own continent. They will not have the resources to fight a second war. And at that moment, the Arabs will attack Israel and Israel will be standing pretty much alone. They will not have the benefit of the United States because either they will not have Europe and they will mostly be missing support from the United States because I think that we could very really have a war here as well. I think that this is a con this is. This is. a potential conflagration that would be worse than World War I. Wow.

I really think that we, if the worst case scenario is that we end up with a war in all three places. And the Arabs will attack Israel and it will take five or six years. But you need to realize the CIA back in the 1980s calculated that if all the Arab countries ganged up on Israel, they could knock down Israel in 10 years. Meanwhile, Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, segueing into ISIS, believe that they could do it in six to seven years. And so they don't expect something to be fast.

They expect a protracted, violent, terribly, horrifically violent war. But they do believe that if all the Arabs pull together, it can be done. And if the United States is discombobulated and fighting its own territorial battles and fighting in Europe, there will be three front wars for the United States. Europe will be out of the race. That will make it easier for the Arabs as well, I think. I really do think that Israel has the hubris of believing they're invincible and the bad behavior. behavior, the horrific abuses are making it, are escalating the conflict. And for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

And that's what we're seeing over and over again. There's resistance on all, you know, I'm not saying that you might think I'm anti-Israel, you might think I'm pro-Israel. That's not what I'm saying to you. I'm giving you an analysis. You might think I'm pro-Europe or I'm anti-Europe. I'm giving you an actual analysis of what's really going to happen. And I'm anti-war, so I don't like it at all.

Sure. I don't care. Who's doing the killing? I don't care. Who's doing the dying? I don't like it. So I think it's wrong. And I wish that we could pull back from this cliff.

But we are racing towards a cliff. And all the things that we, you know, the George Soros crowd, people say to me all the time, how can you oppose immigration of the Arabs and Africans into Europe that's so mean? And I'm like, no, no, this is a clash of civilizations. They don't have the skills to participate and contribute. Europe does not have the money to provide the welfare services that they need and want and demand. They're going to try to – there's going to be a collision here. It's inevitable there's going to be a collision.

And it may be five years from now, but when it hits, there won't be any way to stop it or any way to turn it back. So right now we need to make better policies and we need to change what we're doing. And we need to stop bombing the Arabs. I'm convinced that if we want them to go home, if we want the refugees to go home and rebuild their own societies, we've got to stop blowing them up. And then it will happen. I wonder, is all this stuff that you're talking about, does it kind of stem from that decision we made back in 2011 with the 9-11 and the events leading up to it? I mean, it seems like everything evolves from that day. Yes, it does.

9-11 was the pivotal moment in history in modern world history, and everything changed. And let's talk about that. because I was one of the very few CIA assets who opposed the war in Iraq very loudly. I was actually – I guess I need to take you back to the bombing of the USS Cole, which was in October of 2000, one year before 9-11. And people just don't know this history. They don't know anything about the real facts of what happened. In October of 2000, I had been dealing with the Iraqi embassy for years, okay, for years, for six or seven years. And I was started, had been invited to start negotiations to resume the weapons inspections in Iraq.

I was planning to make, planning sit-down meetings with Iraq's ambassador and with the permission of Baghdad and permission of the CIA that we were going to hand the brand new administration, whether it was Al Gore or George Bush, whoever won the election in November was going to benefit from a brand, from a, a declaration by the Iraqi government, by Saddam's government that they were inviting the weapons inspectors back into Baghdad. And the new, it would be like the hostage release after Iran-Contra, that they would, the brand new administration would start its, start off its, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, would, would kick off with this great victory, uh, that solving a problem that the previous

administration could not figure it out. and it was a gift for the new administration, whoever they turned out to be. Wow. Okay. And that whole thing kind of started a year before 9-11. Yes. And here's the thing. What we had was the Iraqis were trying, were always our best source of intelligence on terrorism. And they recognized that they could show devotion to the United States on this very important cause. and rejoin the international community and show their good neighborliness towards the other Arab countries by opposing terrorism. So in October of 2000, I received a phone call from my Iraqi contact, and he told me that he needed to see me because he had a message from Baghdad. And I, of course, I had been a back channel.

I had started, starting in Libya with my adventurous risk taking, I had become the CIA and defense intelligence asset covering Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Malaysia, and Egypt. So I had a huge swath of territory. But primarily I had Libya and Iraq, which were two of the most critical nations. And you just didn't get those countries unless you were really very good. It's not like today where they would just hand them out to an analyst. You actually had to be creative and problem solving and be able to contribute something if you were going to be connected to those countries.

And I was capable of doing that. I was capable of flipping the – I'm very good at flipping the script. That's what a CIA asset has to do. Whatever you throw at me – if you want to know the most important qualifications, for a CIA asset or intelligence asset, whatever you throw at me, I'm going to use it as a weapon or a tool, and I'm going to throw it right back at you. And you'll be the sorriest MFer on the planet that you messed with me. And that's what I'm very serious. You'll either be so, you're like, oh, boy, she did it. You'll know that I've hit you. You'll know that I gotcha. And you'll be really

glad you're my friend or you'll be really unhappy that you messed with me. Sure. That's what we do. So I got this. I had proved myself and I was not incompetent. I was incredibly creative and problem solving oriented. So I received this call and they said come to the embassy and we have a message for you to give to Washington. And the message was that they had discovered a plan to a very complex plan.

Inside the country, they had given sanctuary to someone who was a Saudi national, who was dissatisfied with the Saudi government. And they were planning a major terrorist attack in Yemen in one of the ports of Yemen on a U.S. vessel. And they were going to strike the port in Yemen to attack a U.S. vessel. And they wanted to do it so that the terrorist group could cross over from Somalia over to Yemen. They could jump the Gulf, they could jump across the stretch of water. And they could establish a base in Yemen for attacking the Saudi oil fields. So, you know, I have to tell you, I do feel very sorry for Yemeni peoples. But this is a long-term 20-year agenda item that the al-Qaeda forces had to set up a base inside Yemen so they could launch attacks, covert attacks, on the Saudi oil fields.

So I'm not really surprised that this is happening. Okay. This is what they told us they were going to do in the year 2000. Okay. It's been that long it's been coming. This is a long term. The herbs are very big on this. They're very good at key.

They play the long game. They keep their, their agenda is, it doesn't waver. It's always the same thing. And once they've got something on their plate, everything they're doing is to try to maneuver into position to get it. But they don't even, if they run into an obstacle, they don't go, they don't give it up. They just find another way to, to move forward and put it on hold until they can execute it. And that's what they've done.

So anyway, in the year 2000, I received notice about this from the Iraqi embassy. This was the first time it ever emerged. And I immediately came home to Washington, reported it to the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency. Then I did a quick turnaround and went back to New York. And I knew the ambassador from Yemen. So I gave advance warning to him about what would later become a few days later, a few days later would become the bombing of the USS Coal. And interestingly enough, the USS Coal commanders who were on the captaining the ship,

they had declared shore duty, shore leave for everyone. And they had, so most of the sailors had been taken off the ship. Most of the sailors were not on the ship that night. and they had removed the basic protocols which are in place to stop any other small vessel from approaching a U.S. naval vessel. They're basic things that they do, not only because they're terrorists, but because they're, you know, they could be damp. The smaller vessel, helpless vessel could be damaged if the U.S. ship, naval ship turns

or does something awkward. the tiny little vessel could get caught in their wake and get damaged or destroyed. So there's their precautions in place, not only for terrorists, but just because, you know, well-wishers can get into a lot of trouble by approaching a U.S. vessel. So it's just safety matters. They took all those safety protocols down. And the United States and the Yemen, the terrorist group, which is al-Qaeda, rammed into the U.S. vessel and like 10 people died. okay or something it was like a very small number of people but it was all known in advance it was accepted in it it was planned in advance so the united states the military the

joint chiefs knew about the attack and they had a greater agenda which was to get into yemen they wanted they knew knowing that their ally saudi arabia was going to face a long-term strategic attack on Saudi oil fields from this scrabble poor public. The Yemeni people are some of the poorest people on the planet. And they live right next door to some of the richest people on the planet. And they don't like it. It's a tragedy. It really is a tragedy that Yemen got cut out of everything.

because anyway, so the United States decided they were going to take advantage of this opportunity to put in a major military presence that would govern Yemen's relations with Saudi Arabia and keep the peace in that area to protect Saudi Arabia. Okay, this is in October of 2001 year prior to 9-11. So already what we see is what we would eventually call a false flag attack. Okay? The terrorists intended to have the attack, but the United States flipped the script and made a different outcome that would thwart the agenda of the terrorists. Okay. So at this point, I was beginning – I was very highly trusted by the Iraqis, by the CIA, and I was being allowed to start negotiations to resume the weapons inspections. And we did this over a period of six months. The Iraqis were agreeing to every single thing we wanted, the United States wanted. The CIA could, if the CIA could name it, they would agree immediately.

For example, Iraq offered to give us preferential contracts in rebuilding the oil fields. Preferential contracts for all new oil exploration and development, exclusive contracts to rebuild the pumping stations and pipelines that had been damaged by sanctions a decade of non-use. So the oil pipelines had rotted out because of non-use. And so they had to be replaced. So they're like, well, we'll give the contract to rebuild it to the Americans. Okay. The Iraqis were willing to give us preferential contracts for hospital equipment,

pharmaceuticals, telecommunications, farming equipment. They offered to purchase one million American manufactured automobiles every year for 10 years.

Because Iraq's entire automobile fleet had, you know, of private citizens' cars were all, they were from like the 1970s and 1980s. You know, these were old trashed out vehicles that didn't run anymore. They didn't have any parts to rebuild things. They had to do it all by

hand. They had nothing because of the sanctions. So they were willing to give us everything we possibly could have wanted. In addition to that, and here's where it becomes very important to 9-11, in addition to this, the Iraqis had been our best source on anti-terrorism. They were always trying to show us how good they were, how they were so committed to. They hated these jihadists. Saddam was convinced that all the jihadists would eventually become terrorists, trying to tear down secular Islam, and so he wanted to stop Iraq from becoming a religious state like Iran. Very important. So, after the bombing of the USS Cole, the Iraqis protested that they would have done more except they're not allowed to arrest foreign nationals. These were Saudis in Iraq who were

planning to kill, who wanted to assassinate the leadership of the princes, the royal family of the Saudi countries, of the Saudi state. And so we can't do anything about this because you won't let us. And so the United States, well, you know, you're right. We should let you, we want you to allow the FBI or Interpol or Scotland Yard, a recognized Western law enforcement. We demand that in response to the USS Cole, you must allow FBI or Scotland Yard or Interpol to come into Iraq with authorization to make terrorism investigations, interview witnesses, and make arrests on your territory. And in February, very important, very, very important, in February of 2001, Iraq agreed.

Baghdad said yes, you can do this. So here is a dilemma for George Bush and the warmongers, the neocons. Iraq is agreeing to everything we want. In April of 2001, and they've agreed before we even tell them. them about 9-11. In April of 2001, I received a phone call from my CIA handler, Richard Fuse, saying, hey, I've got a message for you to take up to New York. I want you to go right away and deliver it to the embassy and ask them for a cable to Baghdad. So, sure, no problem. I did this stuff all the time. I was happy to oblige. I knew how to do it. I had all the right

contacts in place when the Iraqis would receive a message for me, they would know that it was going to be fast, there was going to be fast action, et cetera. I was already doing the, you know, doing the weapons inspections talks. Okay, fine, great. And okay, so he, I went to his office and he said, well, we've heard that there's going to be some kind of terrorist strike on the World Trade Center. We've heard that there's going to be airplane hijackings and possible bombings involved in the attack on the World Trade Center. And we want the Iraqis to tell us everything they know about that attack. If they refuse, if they fail to deliver information to us, and it is found out later that they knew about it, we will blow them back to the Stone Age.

we will bomb them harder than they've ever been bombed before. And I said, oh, okay. Not a problem. I'll go up and deliver that message. I know that's what I'm for. I wasn't even upset about it. I was like, you better believe it. I'll take it.

I'll tell them. And I know they'll tell Baghdad. So I went up to New York. I delivered the message exactly. And the diplomat said very well. These are very cooperative people. They said, we'll be happy to tell the, the cable Baghdad that this is an important concern and you want information about it.

And he said, no problem. And so I went back to Washington, D.C., and my CIA handler said, so, what did the Iraqis do when you threaten them? I said, well, I didn't have to threaten them. There's no reason to threaten them. They were very, they were always helpful. And he promised to get their message to Baghdad. He said, I didn't tell you to be nice to these people. And he used very expressive language that I cannot repeat on the radio.

Cannot repeat on the – not even bullet with butterfly wings goes as far as this. He said, you go back and you tell those blankety, blankety blank that they had better give us this information right now or else. And he said, I want you to tell them the threat originates from the highest levels of government. above the very important, the highest levels of government above the CIA director and above the Secretary of State. Okay, now, that is a direct quote. As an asset, I am required to give the message exactly as it is delivered without editing. This is key to my job and my responsibility. I must not sugarcoat.

I must be, if I'm going to be the messenger, I have to be accurate. Okay. Not a question of whether you like the message or not. You are required to be accurate. They have both sides have got to know what is accurately stated. Not what I wish they said, but what they really did say. Okay. So I am told the threat origin, the threat against Baghdad originates.

above the Secretary of State and the Director of the CIA. That is only three people. It is the President of the United States, George W. Bush, the Vice President of the United States, Richard Cheney, and the Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld. Okay? And the CIA, and realize that I'm an asset for both the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency.

So it's only those three people. And it is an absolute accurate statement. We knew in advance in April and May that the World Trade Center was definitely the target of an attack involving airplane hijackings and possibly airplane bombings. So all through the summer of 2001, but here was the but here was the problem and the Iraqis were being threatened. But here was the problem. When I went back up to the embassy to deliver the threat, the diplomat said, well, oh my goodness, we have already invited the FBI to send a terrorism task force to come into Iraq to conduct investigations. If you believe, so if you're convinced that this attack is a real threat, by all means, we urge you to send the FBI.

And the diplomat, who is very high ranking, said that he would give instructions that if the FBI showed up the embassy, that he should be contacted immediately. Any meeting that he was in should be interrupted. and he would return to the embassy forthwith without any delays to get this so that he could personally process the visas for the FBI to go into Baghdad. Because at this point, nobody knew when the attack was going to occur. We just knew that it was under discussion. So the Iraqis were like, absolutely, we'll cooperate with you. And I will cable to Baghdad that you are very demanding on this point. This is actually a very serious threat.

And it's imminent. You seem to think that it's a very great danger. And so we will absolutely throw open the welcome gates and we'll help you in every possible way we can. This is in April and May of 2001. Wow. Okay. Months before 9-11. Well, throughout the summer, I went back and immediately told them what told my CIA handler what the Iraqis had said.

and come and send in the FBI by all means, yes, do it. Let's get this done. Get them in there. That is not what George Bush wanted. The Iraqis were cooperating. The Iraqis were giving us all these preferential economic development contracts. The Iraqis were offering to have the terrorism task force. The Iraqis were offering weapons inspections with no conditions, which showed that the Iraqis knew that they had nothing to

hide. And in fact, my conversations with Iraq were always like, well, what's going to happen when the United States comes in and there's no weapons? And they don't have anything. There's no, and I said, well, what we should do? This is actually, see, this is black CIA humor for you. This is really, I said, what we need to do is buy some weapons from Iran and ship them through Syria. and then at the border, call a press conference, and say, here, Washington, here are the weapons that you're looking for. Would you give you a present? We have a present for you. Make it public.

We're giving you weapons of mass destruction. So now you can go away. You could say you found weapons, and here they are, and let's go and let's move on. Right. So we can get rid of the sanctions. So I have a very black sense, black sense of humor. But it was just, but throughout the summer of 2001, we knew about the 9-11 attack. We absolutely knew about it.

And we talked about it all the time. I remember when my next door neighbors were moving into the house next door and they had their moving van. And I was talking on the phone with my defense. intelligence handler, and this was July of 2001. And I said, hey, Paul, imagine if these guys knew that we're talking about the next terrorist attack on the United States, and it's going to be a big one, they'd get right in that van, and they'd go back where they came from. And he was just, and we laughed about it. We didn't laugh about it after 9-11. But before 9-11, it was this, again, black humor.

We all knew it was coming. We were highly agitated about it. We were frustrated that we were all, we knew it was like a buzz through the intelligence community. Buzz, buzz, buzz, loud, often, frequent, angry, frustrated, but always buzzing with this intelligence. And I was, you know, my CIA and defense intelligence handler, handlers insisted repeatedly that I had to go back to Baghdad, ask them,

one more time, you've got to make sure they understand. We want any fragment of intelligence. Don't try to figure it out yourself. Just tell it to us. Give us a word, a number, something, and we'll figure out what it means ourselves. We'll run it through the intelligence grindstone. Okay. So anything at all. And the Iraqis threw up their hands. They said, we don't have anything. We have nothing. Okay, now fast forward to August 2, 2001. On that day, I was a consultant at a little energy company in Silver Spring, Maryland. I was not working from home.

And on that day, that was the day that Robert Mueller had his confirmation, his Senate confirmation hearings. to head up the FBI. And I was at that office, not at my house. And I was speaking to my CIA handler, and I said, gosh, oh, this guy's such a bad choice to be the FBI director. There's not a single terrorism investigation. This guy did not throw. Every time he makes it easy for the politicians and so that they can, like, and he said,

Richard, Richard Hughes said, well, give me an example. And I said, well, Oklahoma City. Oklahoma City, Timothy McVeigh has been allowed to be portrayed as the lone terrorists with Terry Nichols. And just the two of them did it all by themselves. We all know that's not true. We all know that Terry Nichols was meeting in the Philippines with Abu Sayyaf forces and radical Islamic forces. And that they were getting financing and training and expertise. from these terrorists in the Philippines.

Ramsey Yusuf, who orchestrated the first World Trade Center attack, was in hiding in Manila or in the Philippines, in one of these university towns, a town where there was an Islamic university. He was hiding in the Philippines and was caught in this Abu Sayyaf region, controlled region. And Terry Nichols was visiting the state. Abu Sayyaf region. By the way, the Los Vegas shooter, what's his name, Pollock, Pollard, Pollock, I think it was, his girlfriend kept traveling back and forth to the Philippines to the same region which is known for its harsh Islamic fundamentalist presence.

Really? And has been, yes, and has been connected to where Ram, Rams Yusef was part of the time that Ramsey Yusuf was hiding in the Philippines. Same area, same area where Terry Nichols had visited while the Oklahoma City bombing was being planned out, all of it. So, just saying, okay, Pollock's girlfriend who did the Las Vegas shooting was visiting the Philippines, same area as these places, including, I mean, inclusive of other places, of course. But this is where the terrorists are in the Philippines. They do have a very real problem. It's not only in the Middle East.

Malaysia has a big Islamic population as well. But the Philippines has a problem, Abu Sayyaf. Okay. So I said to Robert Mueller is going to throw the, you know. And so my CIA handler said to me on August 2nd, he said, well, what's going to happen? if there's no FBI director when this big terrorist attack goes down. What's going to happen if the FBI is rudderless has no chief when this terrorist attack occurs? And I said, I said to him, Richard, do you think it's that soon?

He said, oh, yeah, the attack is imminent. And I said, oh, my God, the World Trade Center attack is imminent. And I said, well, God, I better go up to New York one more time and ask the Iraqis if they've got any intelligence. Richard Fuse said, no, do not go back to New York. I want you to stay out of there. It's very dangerous. I want you to stay out of there until after the attack is over because we're expecting some kind of, you know, not only will there be airplane hijackings and a strike on the World Trade Center, but somehow there's going to be connected to like a mini nuke.

We all thought it was going to be a mini nuke that would bring down the towers. And I said we'd had conversations on the phone talking about this because we did it on the phone wanting the FBI. They used to listen to everything. They sent, they listened in on all our conversations. so they did surveillance of us so we knew that. We said, well, let's have the conversation on the phone so they'll hear it. They'll pick up our chatter on this thing. And so I, anyway, so we had done this.

And sure enough, and this is very important, this is why I kept saying that the conversation was not at my house. when I went to Japan before the release of my book for the first time I told the story about the conversation on August 2nd and when I returned home from Japan underneath a rose quartz book

a piece of I have a large piece of rose quartz on my desk like a book weight a paperweight paperweight and underneath the paperweight was a clean copy of the a clean copy of the Wall Street Journal

dated July 30th, 2001. My book was published in October of 2010. So this was a copy of the Wall Street Journal nine years old.

Nine years old. Jeez. And it was dated July 30th, 2001. And it had the address from the little company in Silver Spring, Maryland, where I'd been working as a consultant. Yep. Wow.

True. Somebody had heard, they'd heard my talk in Japan, and they wanted me to know that ours was not the only team involved in doing this search for 9-11. That somebody, they had been tagging our phone conversations, and they had gone into the office where, right, immediately, Immediately, not a month later, they'd gone into the office immediately when it happened in real time, and they grabbed a proof of life, which is what that is. A newspaper is a proof of life. And a proof of, it's actually in intelligence, it's very, it's very worthwhile. You would, because what did you get? You got the date. You got the address. You got the location. You got all the details. You got the details. You got the. type of newspaper that they're reading, which is the Wall Street Journal. So it's a natural thing to do, but they had done it. And the point was that they had done it and they saved it in my files from July 30th, 2001, all the way to October 2010. Jeez, that's diligent.

Yes, that's diligent. And then they heard me in Japan and they responded by putting by coming to my house, breaking and entering, if you will, into my house and putting it into a place where right by my computer, under the paperweight, where the Rose Quartz paperwork, where they knew it would not be thrown away, I'd have to actually look at it before I could throw it away. And when I did, I was like, oh, my God. It was, my mind was kind of blown on this one. But what we had done was on August 2nd, that was the date of Robert Mueller's nomination. I told my CIA handler I would go straight to New York on August 4th, which was Saturday, and I would come see him on Monday, August 6th. So I know the dates of everything based on the date of this Robert Mueller nomination hearing. Okay.

Okay. And on August 6th, I went into my CIA handler's office, and we talked about strategy of what to do. I had a, that was a Monday. That is the same day that Richard Clark hand delivers George Bush a memo, a presidential briefing memo on 9-11 at the Crawford Ranch in Texas. And George Bush said, okay, now you've covered your ass. Now let's go play golf. and that's what they did. They ignored it.

But meanwhile, back in Washington, I had a meeting with my, the same day, with my CIA handler. We did not know that George Bush had just threw our stuff out the window. We were trying to figure out how to get that message through. I had a phone number for the private office of Attorney General John Ashcroft. And I had been told that I must never use this phone number ever unless there was one circumstance. And that would be that if there was a terrorist attack or some kind of strike coming and I was not able to reach my CIA or defense intelligence handler who would ordinarily, like the USS Cole would run it up the chain through our proper channels. And we didn't have to go to the Attorney General at all because we had our own private, we had our own direct channels.

And our channels went straight to the Joint Chiefs, by the way. Our channels went straight to the Joint Chiefs. So we were good. And we didn't need to ever use this except on 9-11, for 9-11. And on that day, August 8th, I telephoned John Ashcroft's office. I identified who I was. I said, we are seeking an emergency broadcast alert across all. all federal agencies seeking any fragment of intelligence involving any type, any tiny, tiny, tiny

bit of intelligence involving airplane hijackings and a strike on the World Trade Center as a known target. We expect the pot, we anticipate the possible use of a miniature thermonuclear device. This should be considered the most dangerous highest priority. And we ask you to run this through all of your agencies, tell them to send anything back to us and report it to the Attorney General's office and the Office of Counterterrorism at the Justice Department. Now, this triggers Minneapolis. Minneapolis says, hey, we just got this weird thing coming through, this Masawi fellow, and we think there's something going on here.

We want to open his computer. And so they open his computer and electronic devices. And we want a FISA warrant for this guy. Geez, they're putting FISA warrants on Donald Trump and all his campaign staff. Here's somebody who actually needs a FISA warrant to open a device with a critical time frame. And the CIA is asking for help. The FBI, the Office of Counterterrorism, is trying to give it to. them, they've gone to my office where I made the contract with Richard Fuse.

They've tracked it down. They're doing a lot of people are moving right now in the weeks before 9-11. A lot of people are trying to get action and answers. So, but John Ashcroft, apparently I am told that when I telephoned his office, they said, oh, he, John Ashcroft said, oh, yeah, that's just the CIA. They keep talking about this airplane attack. Just ignore it. Just forget about it.

Forget about it. And I was like, no. But the person who I was speaking with at John Ashcroft's office gave me a different phone number for the Office of Counterterrorism at the Justice Department. And that person said, look, I want you to call this number at the Office of Counterterrorism. Repeat exactly what you told me. Do it right now. and I will make a phone call and tell them that I gave you the number. And I did, I repeated it, and that's how the whole thing circumvented John Ashcroft.

So we made an end run around this guy, even though he was very uncooperative. We still got the broadcast alert out. So the story about 9-11 that all of you are told is not true even slightly. But I become a major threat because I have negotiated the return of the weapons inspectors. I'm part of the advance warning system about 9-11. And so, when a year later, when the war in Iraq begins to go very badly in 2004, March of 2004, when Abu Ghraib first broke, when Abu Ghraib first started, excuse me, I was one of the very, very, because of my Iraqi contacts, I was one of the very, very few people who knew it was happening. And I had contacted the United Nations Security Council saying that this needed to be, this kind of behavior needed to stop right now, that you were going to, the United States was going to have to create a deadly blowback.

on its human rights violations, but I went to the UN Security Council to do it. The CIA was furious. Furious. Oh, my God. So here we have extreme prejudice all over again. And now they're coming in for the kill. So 30 days. Okay, so George Bush announced that he was in March of 2004, one year after the mission

accomplished declaration of success in Iraq. It is now clear that Iraq was a terrible mistake and they're only beginning to see how bad it really was. So they announced they're going to have a presidential blue ribbon commission

on Iraqi pre-war intelligence headed up by John McCain and Trent Lott. And I'm like, oh, I want to testify. I have a few things to about this. So I contacted the office of both John McCain and Trent Lott. I have phone records to prove it, okay? Because my calls were all wiretapped. So we had the wiretaps to prove it. What a convenience. All of my story. People are like, how did you get the FOIA requests to prove

all this stuff? And it's like, oh, but you don't understand. Because I was indicted on the Patriot Act, They submitted 28,000 emails, 8,000 phone calls. All of my faxes, I have a total body of record of every single thing that went over my phone lines. Everything, all my faxes, all my emails, all my phone calls, every single thing. Oh, my God. I really, I have like 10,000 pages of papers. all of it documenting what I did what I did and so 30 days after I requested to testify I woke to hear the FBI pounding on my door saying Susan Lindauer let us into your house I was like what the heck what you have the wrong address they're like nope you are arrested on the Patriot Act geez it was pretty intense it was pretty darn scary. So finally I got to experience what deep prejudice really means in real life. They arrested

me. For five years, I was held under indictment on the Patriot Act. I managed to, I had been warned in advance that the last thing, it turns out that my book Extreme Prejudice begins with a story from a true story of the last conversation I ever had with my defense intelligence handler. I had no idea that I was never going to see him again or speak to him again. But we were standing in the doorway of his apartment building, and I was on the staircase, and he had tears in his eyes. And I was like, man, I love you. I loved these people so much.

But he had tears in his eyes. And he said, he's a, hey kid, remember, he's smiling. He said, hey kid, remember, when they come to kill you, scream your head off. And he laughed and I laughed and I turned and walked away. And those were the last words he ever spoke to me. I had no idea that I would never see him again, ever. even when I was under indictment, he refused to speak for me. He refused.

He said, I'm told that he informed the FBI that it would be catastrophically dangerous and that he categorically refused to do it. And that if they had any brains in their office, they would not allow me to testify either. He said, you are idiots. If you let this thing go to trial, if you let Susan Lindauer speak, if you put her on the stand, she's going to blow you out of them. You're going to be blown out, blown to the. the moon. You think you've got a jihadist problem right now. You ain't seen nothing until Susan

starts talking. Then you're going to have a real problem. So then they wouldn't let me have a trial. So I was then locked up on Carswell Air Force Base with no right to a trial or hearing. And I was like, this is not a joke, guys. Okay, it's time for you to come testify. And they're like, oh no, we know what you're going to say. Oh, we know exactly what you're going to say. Never, you're never going to say this all loud at court. And I was locked up for a year. First, I was held without, first though, I was held on bail at home. I was on a $500,000 bond and I was free. And it was very, you know, I was this, I knew that I had been silenced. And frankly, to be perfectly honest with you, If you're, for anyone who's military out there in the audience, it is understood as an intelligence responsibility that once soldiers are in the field, there is an absolute total obligation to secrecy.

Because the prime, the single most important factors, the survival of soldiers on the battlefield, the morale, the morale. of soldiers on the battlefield, recruitment of soldiers on the battlefield, the opinion of the allies who are going to have to deal with the United States. I mean, if the allies had known about this stuff, they wouldn't want to help us. They would abandon the United States. They were really mad. The people at home, everybody was so unhappy with the war. The war was going very badly.

But most of all, the soldiers had to stay and fight and win it. Because until they could declare victory, they were not coming home. So by the time I am sent to jail, so for the first 18 months, they just want me to stay quiet. They just want me to do not speak, shut your mouth. And you know the rules. And my boyfriend was given a job at the Pentagon with a top secret security clearance and a salary just under six figures. So he was just below radar. And so I had food on the table, but I was being, my reputation was destroyed. So no one would listen to anything I had to say.

But then, 18 months into this, Colin Powell, Secretary of State was a real bastard. On September 8th, Colin Powell gave a major television interview with Barbara Walters on 2020. He said that no one mid-level from the CIA had come to warn him that the Iraqis, the Iraqi exiles were fabricating intelligence before his big speech at the United Nations. And the problem was, I did. I did go to him twice in January of 2003. And I warned him that the Iraqi exiles were notorious liars. I told them that considering Iraq, Baghdad had been trying to get the weapons inspectors into the country since December of 2000 and January of 2001, that it was highly unlikely that they had any weapons of mass destruction.

They were always eager to have the inspection start at any moment on very short notice, and that they always said it would be a short conversation as he already knew. So I said, you know, so I made a liar of Colin Powell on September 17th. That was on September 8th. Nine days later, on September 17th, the Justice Department rubber stamped that I was not competent to stand trial and therefore I could be detained in prison with no trial at all. On September 23rd, 15 days after this extraordinary interview on 2020 with Colin Powell, I was hauled into court and ambushed in the Southern District of New York, the Court of

Judge Michael Mucasey, and I was told that I must submit to prison. I must surrender to prison on October 3rd, 10 days later, that if I agreed to surrender to prison in 10 days' time, with no advance warning, I would be allowed to have bail, and I'd be I'd be but if I if I I'd be allowed to keep my bail but if I demanded a hearing or if I fired my attorney I would be taken into custody immediately and I would forfeit my bail until the end of the proceedings which could be forever and so Mukasey said to me judge Mukasey said to me you got a choice if you want to keep your bail and go home and have your house and save your house when this is done you want to have any chance of saving your house you'll do what we say otherwise you're going to jail right now my my uncle who was an attorney who'd flown in from california to help me he said susan i've never seen so many u.s marshals in a single courtroom in my life the whole every row was there must have been 50 u.s marshals there that literally just Judge Mewkasey picked up the phone and said, get every U.S. Marshal in the building into this room right now. We have got to show this woman that we mean serious. We're seriously mean business.

I was like, oh my God. And so I surrendered to prison. But I put it into the record that I wanted a hearing and that I was not sacrificing my right to a hearing after my prison sentence. Think about that. Okay. Then I was locked up on Carswell Air Force Base for a year. I was threatened. I was accused of being incompetent and under ordinary circumstances I would only have been held for four months and that I would have been required to be released because I am not dangerous. I don't pose a threat to myself or anyone else and therefore I could go home. So originally the deal was that I would get a mandatory four-month prison sentence. I was going to serve every day of it. I was not getting out of it.

But then I could go home and the charges would be dismissed. I would be declared not competent to stand trial, which would be degrading and humiliating. And it would destroy my credibility so no one would listen to me. But I would go home. Once they got me in prison, they decided that was not. not a good idea. They decided they wanted to keep me locked up for up to 10 years, indefinitely up to 10 years, with no right to a trial or hearing to prove I was right and to prove I was telling the truth. And after they agreed to that, they decided that just to make sure that I would

be silenced, I would be subject to, and this is where it got scary, subject to force, drugging with Haldol, Ativan, and Prozac, which would have been chemically lobotomized me so that I would be not capable of speaking, writing, letters, reading books, talking to other inmates. I would be drooling and shuffling along the walls. most of these women who were in this condition could not bathe themselves. They could not get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. They had to be carried into the bathroom or had their sheets washed by other inmates in the middle of the night, depending on how they defecated in the bed. This was as ugly as you could ever get.

And they wanted to do this to me for a minimum of 10 years, Matt. 10 years sentencing without any trial at all. No trial, no guilty plea. And I'll tell you, I have never been so scared in my life. I was absolutely terrified of what they were trying to do. I was beyond terrified. And I began to fight and fight and fight and fight and fight. They're like, no, no, give us something. You know, accommodate us. Accommodates, help us out. It's like, oh, Hell no. Hell no. No, no, no. That is not going to happen. So just because you want to kill me does not mean I'm going to let you do it.

But that is why my book is called Extreme Prejudice, because that is exactly what they tried to do to me. It was the most terrifying thing I've ever seen in my, ever experienced in my life. That's incredible. That's incredible. So this whole thing, from beginning to present, has really kind of shaped and molded you towards, you know, fighting against, you know, anti-war agendas and things like that. Is that how this all worked out for you? Or were you anti-war before 9-11? I was anti-war all my life. They, they were take the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency knew that I was anti-war and anti-sanctions. I actually opposed the sanctions on Cuba

as well. So I had been, I had been my, my college professor, Faculty advisor had been a Marxist expert on the Cuban sanctions and had been down in Chile during the Pinochet coup against Salvador Allende. So I had been raised in this in this leftist Marxist ideology that got hijacked by the CIA. And it was a really, my college faculty professor says that he's still is amazed at how I turned out. But I'm one of his most fascinating students. You know, I wanted to ask you, as you were talking to stuff, I remembered hearing, and I don't know a ton about it, but have you ever heard of the project for the New American Century? Yes. Now, those are really, those are the neocons, yes.

Yeah. And so that document is a real document. And it was signed by, of the people who signed it, 10 of them went on to serve in the Bush administration. And two of them, you mentioned earlier, with Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. Is this document where it calls for a new Pearl Harbor in order to push their agenda faster? Is this something that has just been overlooked or do they actively suppress things like this? Well, they actively suppressed it. And 9-11 was a Pearl Harbor.

It was exactly a Pearl Harbor. It was a false flag. Did they let it happen or make it happen? I would say to you that they did both. They had to pull back all the protocols like mine for voices pushing for action. They had to willfully ignore and deceive the public about those voices. But then they had to, the buildings did not just come down on their own with the wind. Somebody had to go in and wire the buildings with explosives.

And they had to promise compensation in advance to Larry Silverstein, whose case was also heard by, whose insurance case for $11, I think it was $11 billion or maybe it was $8 billion or some astronomical scary amount of money, was also heard by Judge Michael Mukasey. So I, literally, my attorneys would be going into court with me in tears crying saying, Your Honor, we knew about 9-11. I can prove it. Just let me have my witnesses and we'll prove it. And my witness, my attorney would be, my public defender attorney, let me add, would be followed by Larry Silverstein's Wall Street attorneys, you know, the best biggest law firms in New York City. who would say, Your Honor, we have to get money. Poor Larry Silverstein wants money and damages from the insurance claim.

You've got to give him this money, man. And so Judge Michael Mukasey was like, shut her up. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. Shut her up, shut her up. But Judge Mukasey in the end had a balancing act because he, on one hand, he did protect me. when they wanted to forcibly drug me, he stopped them. He refused to let them do it. And I had been, he also moved me out of Carswell, Texas.

And he moved me to the Manhattan Correctional Center. And I was there for the, I had been in Carswell for seven months. And then I moved, he transferred me to New York and he refused to let them send me back while I was waiting for his decision. And he kept me in his incarcerated until his very last day on the bench. And the very last action that he ever did as a judge, I will love this man forever until I die. I was literally the very last thing he did.

And he said, she's free. She goes home. Wow. And I was like, thank you God. I bet you didn't expect that either. Oh, my God. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. I was like waving. I was blowing. I mean, I was like acting incompetent. I was blowing kisses to the judge. Blah, mm-hmm. Waving at him, you know, just like, thank you, thank you. You know, I was just like, I was jumping up and down.

I was like, thank you. Your Honor, Your Honor. God bless you. Thank you. I was just like, goodbye, goodbye. That moment, you would have said, yeah, she's crazy. So, I mean, with you, you know, right now in 2018, you're doing this show, you have your radio show, what prevents them from doing anything sinister to you now? Wow. Well, I think they've already done their worst. The thing is that everyone, here's the tragedy, I was right about everything.

Yeah. I was right about 9-11. I was right about Iraq. I was right about the consequences of the war. and I feel sorry for them. I don't feel sorry for George Bush. I despise George Bush. John McCain is burning in hell at this moment. He was an evil man. But I'm amazed at how the Democrats particularly are enraptured by John McCain. He's sort of they're a little hero for them.

They've reinvented history. And as typical of Americans, we don't have a real. really I'm always kind of blown away how you think you've just communicated with America. And then they haven't listened to a thing you've just said. And then they still, oh, but it's John McCain. It's like, yeah, he's one of the bad guys. He's one of the bad guys. He supported ISIS.

He created all these terrible wars, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Ukraine. all of it goes back to John McCain. It's George Bush too. Yes, it's Hillary Clinton. It is the establishment. And frankly, I love President Trump because he's refusing to play the game for them. He's refusing to say that Russia, we should be at war with Russia. You know, the Russia, Russia, Russia in your head, Russia, Russia in your bed.

The little nursery rhyme that we're telling ourselves about how evil and malevolent Russia is it's craziness there's nothing to support it it's like the boogey man was saddam hussein then the boogey or the boogeyman was kaddafi then the boogeyman was saddam hussein then the boogeyman was the iatola the boogie man is you know now vladimir putin and you got to love the name vladd he's vladd putin i mean it's like oh give us a break it's a siop america needs enemies to keep the defense in industry flowing blood and money. But we're, it is, it is a, uh, we're bankrupting ourselves, really. And, and the game is, is up because the rest of the, it's not because of Donald Trump, but the rest of the world is not following in our footsteps anymore. So we really have lost a lot of,

we've, we've squandered our integrity and moral authority with great consequence, I think. It's one of those things where, and I've said this before. on the show, I'm very, I'm just not your typical person when it comes to picking party lines and stuff. I very much divorced myself from mainstream media and I really try to think on my own two feet and I try not to be manipulated by any one way of thinking. And that said, and this isn't like anybody who's listening and stuff that may not agree with me or Susan. This isn't a a splayed at John McCain, I always use this example because of the size of the name. He was serving Arizona for a very long time. And I always question, why don't we have term limits

for these guys? I mean, it's like saying, I mean, you're telling me that there's nobody in Arizona that could have done the job at least just as well as he did for that period of time. There was one person that could have rose to the occasion and possibly done it better. that's why I think that the corruption comes in because these are now career politicians and they have a lot on the line if they get voted out. And so halfway through their term, they are now re-campaigning and they're not doing anything for you, the people they're supposed to be serving. And so I think there's a lot of corruption on many different levels and stuff. And, you know, kind of rewining here back to the bushes.

Basically, so with your whole story, I keep getting this mental image in my mind. of George Bush reading to elementary kids on 9-11. That was basically a staged thing. He was acting as if he was surprised, I'm assuming. Yeah, yeah. I think so. I think that this whole thing, they all knew. The tragedy was is they didn't think it through.

They were so blinded by their ideology, the desire for the project for New American Century. they didn't conceive of the emotional devastation of that day. I've been told that George Bush is now a drunk. I don't know if you've heard this, that he is apparently now a raging alcoholic. I didn't know that. Yeah, he's become, he's descended into very, very, very heavy drinking.

And he knows, he's tormented, this is what I'm told. He's tortured by Iraq and 9-11 and knowing that he just, he had the worst presidency. It was a terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible presidency. Just shocking presidency. Really scary stuff. And he said that he'd be the last Republican ever elected. And the establishment is done. You have to, everybody needs to understand this.

The establishment is dead. They're never coming back. They're fighting. This is their last breath. This is their last battle. They're going down in November. We've all got to make them go down. We cannot, even in the Democrat Party, what you're seeing is that the Democrats who are winning the primaries are progressive Bernie Sanders types who are knocking out the Democrat establishment.

But the Democrat establishment and the GOP establishment are at death store. they need to be killed off. We have to get rid of them. We have to move into a whole new slate. Yeah. No, I agree. There's definitely needs to be an overhaul on so many different levels when it comes to this stuff. Susan, I know we talked about doing an hour and a half, we went over that, and I appreciate your time. I really appreciate you coming on and just sharing with us, sharing your experiences and, you know, where you're coming from. before we get out of here, would you be able to just share the people one more time where they can find your show and where they can contact you? Sure. My book is Extreme Prejudice, the terrifying story of the Patriot Act and the coverups of 9-11 in Iraq. You can get it on Amazon. Also, you can, I would love to have you guys check out my radio show on Truth Frequency Radio on the internet.

and it's the covert report at 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. Eastern time on Sundays. So thank you very much for having me. I really do. I really appreciate the opportunity to share this. This is what, this is, it's sometimes very difficult for people to hear all of this because they've been conditioned to believe a totally different story and a totally different narrative of facts and history. And the whole story. story you've been told is a total lie from from beginning from page one from the first word of the first page the official story is a lie yeah all fronts and i i agree with you on a lot of those different things i mean uh my tagline for the show every week before the last words that my audience hearing me say is the truth will set you free but first it'll piss you off and that's exactly this i mean it's it's hard it's very very very very hard to hear things that are uncomfortably hear that you don't want to believe and go that go against what you've been told on the mass scale of things. And it's very hard to

rewire your brain and allow you to get into a position where you mentally are comfortable enough to even explore these ideas. And that's why I always encourage people, just take six months of your life. It's not going to kill you. Just take six months of your life, turn off all mainstream media and just let your mind decompress. And over that six months, you're going to start realizing you start having thoughts and you start thinking a little bit differently than you ever did before. And the only common denominator is that you turned off the manipulation. And so that's the way I view things. That is such a smart idea. I've been doing, I did that several years ago. I still read the, you know, the news on the on the internet. But I don't watch CNN, Fox. I don't even watch Fox. I don't watch any,

any of the network news shows, and I would advise everyone to stay away from that poison most of all. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, everybody, stay away from the mainstream media and go to the covert report on Sundays. There you go. Thank you very much. All right, Susan. Thank you very much.

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