The Confessionals - 883: Demonic Hijacking of Spiritual Gifts & Prophetic Warnings About 2028

Episode Date: July 28, 2026

What if the voice you think is from God is actually leading you toward deception? Joseph Z joins Tony Merkel to reveal the supernatural encounter that launched his prophetic calling. From that life-changing experience, he explains how God began shaping his understanding of the prophetic, why counterfeit spiritual experiences are becoming more convincing, and how believers can develop the discernment needed to recognize truth in an increasingly deceptive world. Rather than living in fear, Joseph offers a biblical perspective on hearing God's voice, walking in your God-given calling, and remaining firmly rooted in Christ as spiritual battles intensify. Whether you're curious about the prophetic, searching for biblical answers, or simply want to grow closer to God, this conversation will challenge what you think you know about hearing His voice.If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890📕 Pre-order Tony's Book: https://a.co/d/0bJS3SaV📰 Subscribe to Our Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/newsletterBecome a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comJoseph ZWebsite | YouTubeSPONSORSGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyIVERMECTIN: twc.health/tonyVENICE AI: https://venice.ai/theconfessionalsRUMBLE WALLET: https://rumblewallet.onelink.me/bJsX/ConfessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media6726 Morganton RdP.O. Box #08Greenback, TN 37742SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jyorkofficialOutro Music:Tony Merkel - THE VOICE Available on Spotify

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lives. If you want to help me have a very successful book launch in October, pre-sales help a ton. so go ahead and pre-order today. The link is in description of this episode. Thank you very much in advance. You guys are awesome. Now, today we have Joseph Z. Coming on the show, and he shares the remarkable story

of hearing the voice of God as a child, while also encountering at the same time what he believes was a counterfeit spiritual voice attempting to divert his calling in life. We explore how those early experiences shaped his prophetic ministry, why he believes many people with genuine spiritual gifts are being deceived and how discernment is more important now than ever.

Then we turn into what Joseph believes God is revealing about the days ahead, the prophetic signs unfolding around us and how people should prepare for what's coming. Let's get to Joseph Z right now. Joseph Z in studio, how are you, sir? Oh, it's good to be with you, Tony. You know, I'm such a, I'll say this word. I'm a fan of what God is doing through you. and through this platform and all your listeners,

it's been amazing to watch your journey and the way God's speaking through you in this current time. So what a privilege to be with you. Thank you. I'm glad you're here, man. I've talked about you on the show over the years, and this is the first time you're appearing on the show. Your wife, Heather, was on the show.

I think it was last year. Yeah. The better one. I love her, man. I was planning on trying to record with you then, but I was getting hungry, so we had to get some food. But I remember the way I kind of, you came across my path was like two stages. So I'm at Alan De Deo's conference, armed media. And it's the first year I'm there. And I'm sitting at a table with your daughter, Ali, and your wife's sister. I can't remember her name now. Holly. Holly. Holly. Yeah. And I think Elijah was

there. And Alan, says, we have a podcaster over here. Tony, stand up. And I stand. He goes, he goes, he talks about Bigfoot. I was like, thanks, Alan. As only Bishop Allen can do. Yeah. He's the best. And he goes, Tony, what's your show about this week? And I was like, dog man. You know, I was like, I'm in a room full of pastors. I'm like, this is not going to go well. And then Alie turns around and says to Holly, dad's going to like him. Oh, it's true. Holly told me about you.

She came back. She's like, man, have you heard of Tony Merkel? I said, I am now. I'm hearing all about them. And, man, she loved you. And everybody was so impressed with who you are. And the depth of your information. It's just profound stuff.

It was cool. And then the following year, you were there. Yeah. And I had, oh, something just felt. It's okay. I had I think I got done speaking I came off stage

and I ran to you in the hallway and we went back into the green room and we started getting familiar with each other and talking

and you you asked to pray for me and we start praying and in the prayer I don't know if you ever even remember this because you pray for so many people but in the middle of the prayer

you identified two witches that were that were coming after me. I do remember, yeah. And I, that, like, this is like the first day I'm meeting you.

And, and, you know, you have a prophetic ministry. And I, I, I think, I,

I opened my eyes and I just looked at you when you were praying. I'm pretty sure I did because I was like, how did you know about these witches? Because I, I know about the witches,

but how did you know about the witches? Oh, brother. Because probably about six months to a year prior, I had a pastor come out here. He's a Baptist pastor out in Middle Tennessee. And he had a dream where God took him to the front of my house. And he saw my house. He described it to me. It was identical. He even sketched it. And he said that he saw two hooded figures standing behind me and walking behind me into my house. And I called Pastor Dave Brown. Are you familiar with Dave Brian? I'm not. Glad tidings out in California.

California. Okay. He's a friend of Troy's. You'll love him. I bet I would love him. But I had just talked to him and interviewed him because he went up adopting Anton LeVay's daughter. Oh, I have heard of him. Yeah, that guy. Once you say that, it's like, oh, that guy. I'm there now. Yeah. And I had just talked to him. And at this time, I didn't really have a whole lot of people in ministry that were my friends. And so I called him and I said, hey, I don't know who else to talk to, but this is what's going on. And as soon as I described it, he stopped me. He's like, those are druids. you have druids after you. Wow. And I was like, whoa. Well, what did I do for that? You know, like, like, I don't know what I did to deserve that, you know? But the fact that you were praying and, and saw that, it kind of just, I don't know. Like, I think there's, there's always the human side of people.

There's like, you know, can I trust this person, you know? Of course. And that was the beginning stages of that for me with you. And then so many times throughout our friendship, you've spoken into me. and I think almost every time it was something that the Holy Spirit was dealing with me on, like that day and you just speak into it.

And I'll tell one more story and then we'll get into this, some of the stuff. Oh, man. I remember it was the first year at NRB and the day of the prophetic roundtables you guys did, that morning I had been dealing with the Holy Spirit telling me just to tell,

the Holy Spirit was saying, tell my story, tell my story. And I'm like, okay. And then around, I think it was around noon that day, I started hearing just read my word, read my word, read my word. Yeah, come on. And then, so I'm like, okay, tell my story, read my word. And I had been really struggling with this call to preach and how do I preach? Because I'm not normal, like, polished. And, you know, I didn't. Which makes it awesome. And I was like, I don't know how to do three-point sermons and stuff. And the Holy Spirit was just saying, tell my story, read my word. And then that night. So I had those two things happening that day. And that night, I'm sitting at the roundtable. And I'll never forget the perspective. I was sitting, I was sitting behind cameras,

and there's two cameras, and I can see your face between the two cameras. And then you just go, Tony, oh, be a man of the word. Yeah, come on. Your man of the word, Tony, be you know, and I was like, oh, wow. Well, it's because you have a teaching gift. I mean, you're doing these interviews, you know, and there's a lot of, you know, unique aspects to that all the way in the past. But where you are today, you're a teacher. You got a Bible teaching gift on you that's just beginning to emerge. And it's fun to watch, Tony. It's so cool to watch. It's cool to hear you say that because I also hear people, I see people in the comments sections who have been around a long time with my show. Yeah. And there are people who I've seen the comments, they'll say things like,

it's really cool to see how you progressed over the years. It's amazing. And so because it's me, I don't really see the progression. I just, I'm living it, I guess. Yeah. And so it's nice. that some other people who've been with me a long time say that, it's like, okay, so I guess I have been progressing. And you know, one of the things, too, like your audience, everybody who knows you know, who knows you in person, you're one of the most genuine people. Like, you say what you think, and there's no guile in you. There's no, there's no angle with you. And I so appreciate that. And I think that's why people trust you when they listen to you, because you're telling exactly what you see as reality and truth. And I'll tell you, that goes a long way. It goes a long way. And especially when you

step into the Bible teaching space. Now you begin to apply that same mechanism and gifting. You're going to help so many people because they're going to know what you're teaching on this journey is truth. Yeah. And you're going to drop down to that. So I'm, I'm thrilled to watch it too. Everybody's thrilled for you doing. I'm hoping that I can, one of my biggest fears is to, I guess one of my biggest fears, and I think it's the enemy whispering in my ear, is that I'm going to say something that's going to lead people down the wrong path. And I think that fear itself, though is going to also be the reason why I probably don't, you know, because I'm so terrified of dishonoring the pulpit and not doing the right thing that I think I'm going to keep myself sharp.

Well, it's such a responsibility. You know, we've got to rightly divide the word. We've got to do those things very clearly. And, you know, any preacher has made mistakes along the way. And the fact that you're walking in the lane, you're walking and where God's taking you, you know, you're going to make mistakes. I've made mistakes. And we look back and we just say, okay, I'm not doing that again. And then, you know, we correct it. We continue walking.

And, you know, but it's a healthy respect to have for the Word of God and his people because we have the privilege of sharing the scriptures. And so we get to sharpen ourselves so we can give away what God's given us. Yeah, absolutely. So you have this awesome prophetic ministry. I don't know how you personally define your ministry. because, like, you don't have a, you're not, you don't have a church. You used to have an online church, right?

You have an online church. Didn't you have, like, actual church location at one point? I did. I used to plant churches. We used to do it out of that, Tony. And one day the Lord came to me and said, I didn't call you to this. And I was like, what? All these people aren't here planting churches.

I can do it. I can do it. I got, you know, strength. I can make it happen. And the Lord really just detoured me off that path by his grace, led me in a different direction. And during that season of our life, he actually asked me to sit down for about,

two years because he said, I want you to minister to your family. When I say, God said, it was an impression on the inside. It was very palpable to me. And he spoke this to me, and I pivoted my whole ministry. And it would have been for many people, ministry suicide to do that. But we took time, sat down, ministered to my kids, really got reacquainted with my wife. Because at that season, we'd run about 20 years. No vacation. I've heard you say this. How do you spell that word, vacation? And we didn't do any of that. Heather was sick. at the time. She came out of double kidney failure. It was hereditary. She'd been through surgery after surgery, terrible things that we'd all been through. And then a lot of issues, just, you know,

personal issues of people, stuff like that. And the Lord basically said to me, I want you to sit out. Can you listen to me? And I thought, man, okay, I thought he meant to a week, Tony. I thought he meant a little time. It turned into two years. Two years. We sat in the mountains and I had a great time with my family and it got reacquainted with them. I believe the Lord wants to build families before he builds the ministry. I say it this way, he builds the man before he builds the ministry. Because if you get rushed to the top of the mountain, the worst thing that can happen to somebody is get promoted before their time.

Yes. Because they will crumble. They will say stupid things or they'll hurt people, not even know how to handle it, or they'll get in the wrong lane, thinking God's giving them this lane or their ambition got them in that lane. And the only thing worse than being in the wrong lane with the wrong lane, with the wrong, wrong calling and the wrong timing is when there's oncoming traffic. And when you get exposed to oncoming traffic in the wrong lane and you haven't listened to the Lord, you haven't done the

steps, when that oncoming traffic comes, good people can suddenly look like villains, they can become difficult. They go down the wrong avenues because they got promoted too early. And the Lord wants to build the man before the ministry. And that's what he did with me. Boy, he chiseled on me, man. Oh, thank you, Jesus. That's your process. I mean, did you, I mean, did you have any direction during that two-year process? Or were you just kind of just seeking the Lord and not knowing exactly if you were ever going to be put back into ministry? I actually didn't think I was going to go back in because I'd been doing it for 20-something years, just ministering, ministering, serving prophetic voices, doing conferences all over the world stadium events,

the pit to the palace. We ministered everywhere. I was at the point, I had a team about 40 people, and we were ministering every night of the week. I'd take a studio crew with me. We'd broadcast live before live social media was a thing. And we were just going and going and going and I thought, I'm doing God's work. I'm doing God's work. I'm really after it. And the Lord began to show me that was actually ambition more than it was being led by the spirit. And a lot of good came out of it because the word doesn't return void when you preach it. The gifts, you know, they help people. But the Lord began to deal with

cracks in my foundation, began to deal with my character, began to deal with things that I'll tell you was very challenging for me. And the hardest thing to do is to take a type A driven type person and say, sit down and pour this out like water before me. Can you do that? Joseph, can you do that? And I was like, ah, I think so. And I did it.

I'll tell you, my family today, because of that season, is in ministry with me today. My wife, she travels with me almost everywhere. My children, they all work for me. And our team is just really healthy today compared to what I would have built, just based on raw ambition. And the Lord, the Lord brought that to me and said, you've got to discern the difference between what is your ambition and what is absolutely of my spirit. And the only way you can find that out sometimes is if he challenges you to lay it down. And I don't recommend that for people. You know, you better have a word from God because a lot of people, if they do that, they won't

come back. Yeah. They won't come back. But he met me at the end of it, Tony. I was there and I laid it down. And I thought, well, I must be called the business. I must be called to get into business. this is where God's taking me. And at the end of that season, I thought, I'm going to show people how to finance the kingdom. I'm going to go down this avenue. And right when I got to that point, that's when he met me and it was so palpable.

His presence filled up the vehicle I was in. This has happened to me three times in my life. He filled up the vehicle, and it was so profound. And he began to speak to me. And all as he said from this palpable moment where you could almost reach over and I felt like I could touch him. He was so present. And the Spirit of Lord said to me very clearly in my inner man,

said, you know what I've called you to do. Now, start going live every single day of the week. Go. And I was like, really, God? And that was a humbling beginning. And I had to do it. But he called me back into it by his word. He took me out by his word and called me back in by his word. And I'm so thankful for that season. Wouldn't want to do it again. But I did it. And I think there's a lot to be learned when you, if you do the difficult, God will do the impossible. And when we do difficult things that he asks us to do, we will come to the other side of that valley. And then you have wisdom. You have things to share with others that are approaching that valley. And I think you're going to have a lot of wisdom to share with people, Tony. You're marked for it. Oh, you do,

brother. So God reactivates you into ministry doing live broadcasting. Yeah. I'm assuming that was YouTube? It was Facebook at the time. Okay. Only Facebook. But I went from there to doing multiple cell phones at once, you know, because I was low-tech redneck, right? Wow. So I had a stand with multiple cell phones, and then I would do, I'd have to hit each live button simultaneously. So Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, and I think there was at the time, I don't know, it wasn't Twitter as another one. And I would have that. And I'd just be talking all at the same.

Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow. It looked like a star or something with all the phones. That's, that was how it started, huh? Uh-huh.

Wow. Yeah. So it's so cool to hear that because even back when I was starting this stuff, I didn't know what I was doing. And I remember holding a cell phone up and rigging that somehow to go live on my Patreon for people. It was so it was just like, yeah, I didn't know what I was doing. They did all days. Yeah. But I mean, that was what 2017 or something like that. So. So there was same, actually same. Really? Yeah. Same year. That's what I'm saying. I feel like God. around that time, 2017, 2018, and even 2019, was activating people for this new era that was coming. You are correct. We didn't totally understand what was coming. Yeah. But like, obviously 2020 was a shift in our culture globally.

Oh, man. But it ushered us into this new, new world we live in. It's true. And I really feel like that I can't tell you how many times people say, 2017 is when I started or 2018. And it's just like, I really feel it got to. was like assembling the Avengers. You know?

Avengers assemble. That's interesting. And then 2020, it's like hot sauce got poured on people. People that didn't get the memo. It's almost like the Lord pulled out the stops and said, I need you in this space and pulled everybody into the boat that was going to do it. That's pretty strong, Tony. That's wild.

Yeah. I didn't know that about you. 2017. Wow. Interesting. I want to hear from you on how this all started. Okay. And then I want to move into what you're seeing coming. Okay.

In the coming days. But let's lay the foundation because when you were a kid, I don't know if you had any kind of calling on your life before you started hearing the voice of God. Was that the initial, I imagine. I mean, if I'm going to say God's calling me and I actually hear the voice of God, I imagine that's like, the icing. on the cake. Yeah, yeah. Was that, was that the start of, or was it, which, would you even consider that time, him calling you into ministry at that point or what?

I think it was a familiarity with this voice. You know, I'm reminded of, I think it's Amos chapter 7, where it says, I was not the son of a prophet, nor was I a prophet. But then the Lord came and called me. And what that basically suggests, and you look at this in the life of Timothy, you look at this in different people, that when they're called by God, you know, Paul the Apostle said to Timothy, you have that same faith working in you that was in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice and all these things. There can be gifting that's in family lineage. There really can be.

So in other words, some people are born with a gifting in a space. Some people arrive at that gifting because they get filled with the Holy Spirit. They begin to read the Bible and they recognize things. The people that I get most concerned about are those that are born with a raw gift. And people say, well, that can't be with spiritual things. Well, it's a lot like a singer. You can have a singer that's born and they have a natural ability to sing and they can take that gift and use it either in a bar or they can use it on a church stage and begin to minister the word of the Lord to people. The gifting doesn't change, but the use of it does, the anointing, or is it driven by demons or is it driven by the Holy Spirit? So when I was a kid at the age of nine,

we used to have this big family ranch and I was out on this family ranch and working. I drove in an ATV a lot to check on cattle to go and check fence lines and just see if there's broken. lines, all that. And I'm out there. And as I was out there one day, I suddenly heard a voice audibly, and it came over the treetops, and it sounded like an echo on the wind. That's what it sounded like. And it called my name, called me by name. And it was so pronounced and so starkly present that I thought my dad was calling me. I thought he was calling me. And I thought he was yelling to me, like, you know, call my name. And so what I did is I would run back to the house. I get a my ATV and just blast back to the house way across the property. And I go in there and say,

what do you, what are you shouting for? Why are you calling me? And he would look at me and say, I'm not calling you. You know, get back to work, man. Let's go. And that kept happening to me over and over and over again. Now, here's the unique part. The unique part is I didn't just have one voice call me, another one called also. And this is wild. And, you know, I hesitate sharing some of these things because people, they come to conclusions, they make stuff up. But I've really done a lot of studying the Word of God on these things, work through it. But the bottom line is, another voice began to appear. And it didn't appear visually, but it appeared audibly. And it was a similar type of sound, calling me by name. And this voice in particular, the second time, I had this German shepherd

named Duke. He was awesome. And I know you've recently acquired a dog, and I think that's so awesome. and Heather and I are dog people, of course. But when I was in this setting, I was there and my dog Duke is with me, and this dog was really courageous. I mean like really courageous, Tony. I had a bull try to attack me in a pen one time, had me pinned, and he started pawing the ground, and there was no escape for me. This bull was going to mall me, and it was coming at me in this pen.

My dog, Duke came running, jumped the fence, and attack the bull in the face to stop it. Wow. Yeah, it was so awesome. And I love that dog. So very courageous, not afraid of anything. This same dog is with me in the field when this second voice calls me. The second voice calls me, and this one was different. It wasn't just over the trees and in the distance.

It suddenly got closer and closer saying my name until it was so close. It was like from me to you. And it was saying it quieter as it got closer. The hair on my arms stood up and it was not pleasant. And the dog looked in the direction, bristled its hair, and ran away. Wow. My courageous dog, my faithful dog, ran away. Yeah, Duke, thanks so much, Duke.

Ran away, and I realized there's something going on here. And what's this all about? So I've come to the conclusion, and I'll solve what I believe the voices were, but I've come to the conclusion that many people that go on the psychic path, or they go in areas that are off the beaten path, and they believe they're having a spiritual encounter from heaven, when really they're having what I believe 1st Corinthians 11 calls an angel of light, where it comes to them, begins to present itself,

and they think, I'm having a massive God encounter, an angel appeared to me and began to speak to me. And something was speaking to me that I believe, had I engaged with it, I believe it would have taken the gifting God put in me and marshaled it towards a psychic behavior. And I believe that's how psychics get made, the real ones, the ones that are not just, you know,

carnies, faking it. But the real ones actually can have raw gifting. They don't know what to do with it. The church rejects them. They don't know how to process that. and the church says, well, you're just of the devil, and they could be accurate when they say that. If they're driven by the wrong spirit, they're of the devil. But that being said, it usually starts with an encounter, and they're gifting suddenly matches that encounter,

and then they get led down this road, and they think, oh, I have entities speak to me. I have dead people speak to me, and I've had encounters with that, where to have entities come and try to communicate with me, and I had to go to senior prophetic people when I was very young and say, what is happening? am I losing my mind to the point I actually went to a clinic to get checked to make sure I wasn't bipolar because there's a lot of people they say I've heard things I'm seeing things the first thing I ask people is are you on meds you taking some meds but I got checked I got a clear bill of health on that I ran through all the stuff I wanted to make sure I wasn't goofy and I was having these encounters and I've discovered that angels

of light will appear they will try to speak to people because they see the potential They see the gifting and the enemy tries to get you before you find the Lord. And I'll tell you, when I found the Lord, I started studying these things. I started looking into it to the point I never wanted to even talk about it, but I knew what was going on. And I would see things about people before they happened. One example is I was at a funeral. I'm at a funeral, Tony. And I'm probably nine or ten years old at this time.

I met this funeral and it was a family member. They were burying. and they began to read from her journal as she was going into the final throes of her passing. She's writing about the experiences and they're reading it at the gravesite. And I'm listening to this and just a little guy kind of not paying attention. The next thing I know, whether I was in the body, out of the body, however you want to measure this, I found there was a form in my process that I was standing in her bedroom as they were reading this. and I'm standing in the bedroom and I'm listening to them read this and now I'm watching her

write with their reading and I felt her fear. I felt her grief. I felt the unknown. I knew she didn't know the Lord, you know, and I began to experience this and suddenly I was back at the gravesite and they're like, okay. And they began to carry on and I broke into weeping and sobbing like you can't imagine and people thought, wow, you're taking this really hard. But it wasn't that I was taking it hardest, that I had an experience. And this made me as a kid really introverted in a lot of ways. When I was around friends, I'd get really out and out, very loud and, you know, fun. But when I was around anybody else, I'd get very introverted because I'd look at people and I could see what was going on in their life. I could see, I could feel their emotions. I could have this strong empathy

where I would experience things that they were experiencing. And then when I'd asked them about it, sometimes they wouldn't tell the truth, but I knew what I was seeing was true. And it would prove to be true through following them or watching them. And it made me introverted because I thought everybody was like that. I thought when I'd talked to people, they could see everything going on to me just like I could with them. Wow. And so it made me just kind of climb up. And I had to learn to work through that. It made me a weird kid. I talked to another prophet friend of Brian Gibson. He's like, man, I used to cry all the time as a kid. And he's not that type. But he just had feelings that would go out. He would experience things. And I believe that's raw gifting. And the book of Amos talks about

that as I mentioned earlier, that I was not the son of a prophet, nor is I a prophet. Timothy, who had, you know, a gift of faith that came from his grandmother and mother. There can be things that are in our lives that are part of our lineage where we grow up in and how our DNA affects us as well. There's like a spiritual DNA. It's like a family of doctors, you know, a family of musicians, a family of teachers. You see people that have a similar thread through their DNA. I believe there's some places where spiritual gifting can at times mirror that. And my grandma was highly prophetic, and my mother was highly prophetic, is highly prophetic.

And so that whole process is something that I just, I try to talk to people about, especially young people getting into the prophetic space. My goal in life is to demystify it, make it normal, get the weird out, and get results-based believing as a part of it, which means we go back to the Bible, we do what the Bible says,

and we don't violate it. One of the life verses I live by is 1 Corinthians 4.6. It says, and this is Paul the Apostle talking, and he says, learn from us to not go beyond what is written. Do not go beyond. Don't even imagine it. Don't go beyond what the Bible says. Wow.

And that's important. That's needed for today's world. It is, sir. There's a lot of people in this world that are going beyond what is written. Big time. Yeah. Because sensationalism sells. Yeah.

And especially in the spirit-filled space, which I love the spirit-filled space. I love it, and there's a lot of heat going after it right now and different things. But the spirit-filled space is one of the most needed spaces to change the culture. Yeah. So when you were a kid,

you mentioned that situation when you were nine, you were also at the funeral at nine-ish. Were you a Christian at that point? You know, it's an interesting deal. So I really didn't have a major salvation encounter until about the age of 10. Okay. So I would say I was familiar with the gospel.

I was familiar with what church was because my parents were not together. I grew up in a split house. So I would go to my dad's house every other night of the week. And I go to my mom's house every other night of the week. And in the summers, they'd get every other week when school wasn't happening. That being said, I had a wheelhouse for some of it, but I didn't really understand any of it. Yeah. Yeah.

So the gifting can be present before salvation comes. I think there's a space for that. Yeah. Because what you're talking about with the two voices, I mean, I'm sure you're probably not the only one that has had that happen. No. And so it's the idea that the enemy sees the direction somebody could go and is trying to hijack before they get to on the path that God wants them to be.

And that's what was happening for you, but it probably happens for a lot of people. And like you mentioned about the psychics and stuff. So do you feel like the prophetic is, is it born into somebody or is it something that's developed? Yeah, I think the answer can be both. You know, there's some people that have an intuition when they're younger. They have a heightened sense of empathy. And the church has done in some ways kind of not a good service to this. space. They kind of cookie cutter everything. And I'm so thankful for all the training we've had from the

church. Thank you, Jesus, for the church. But the New Age side of things or the mystical side of things or, you know, people that get into these spiritual teachings, they actually sometimes have had a really good grasp on some of it. I don't agree with it. It's demonic. It's evil. Don't follow it. But what I'm saying is, is that they recognize certain persuasions and giftings on people. And then what they do is they hijack it with their philosophy instead of the Word of God. So to answer your question, I believe there's a narrow avenue where some people are born with gifting. And people don't know what to do with that.

Because I've been around unsafe people, they can read your mail, they can prophesy to you, they can tell you things. And this is where people say even about prophets. So like the only way a prophet is real is if what they predict comes to pass. Well, that's an Old Testament model. In the New Testament, there's some subtleties to that we could talk about with Agabus, how he prophesied something. And it wasn't exactly what he said,

but the heart of it was very accurate. But that being said, I do believe there are people that have gifting, they can be born with it, and then they go on this journey of just trying to figure stuff out and they don't know

what they don't know. So then they have an encounter. And their encounter, they wouldn't even think, I'm being deceived. They just think, I'm having an encounter. So some other worldly force

is speaking to me, and I'm special. So now I'm going to bring my special abilities to this otherworldly force, and they're going to empower me, and I'm going to go do this. And that's where you see, like, in the book of Acts, the slave girl who prophesied, you see all these different ones throughout Scripture that really were into witchcraft. And sometimes people with raw gifting, now let me make a distinction.

I need to. Prophetic gifting is not psychic gifting. It's not the same thing. But you can have an unction inside you that can be used and tipped one way or the other. And there's a lot of people that are in the psychic space that were probably called to be prophets and they prostituted their gift unknowingly or knowingly. And they used it for selfish gain. They went down that road. And one of the things I try to do is get people out of that space. Bring them towards Jesus Christ. Revelation 19 verse 10, it says the testimony of Jesus is the spirit

of prophecy. So any gifting that we use, prophecy, any gift, it has to give glory to Jesus. It must point back to Jesus Christ, bring glory to him, not the person releasing a gift, but to Jesus. And psychic behavior is absolutely the opposite of that. It puts attention on self. It puts attention on them, draws people to them, and I'm so amazing with my gifting. But today, I believe we're getting more educated. We know how to deal with it. Sometimes I jump on live psychic programs, and I comment.

Are you a troll? No, I'm not a troll. I'm kind, because I'm trying to get them out, you know. But I'll say to them, and I'm not insulting. People have enough of that, you know. But what I try to do is I say, hey, man, you know, this angel that talks to you all the time, that ain't an angel. It might be an angel, but it's a fallen angel, angel of light.

And they come with light because angels of light, light means knowledge, special knowledge, and psychic activity or any of this type of mystical experience can get in that esoteric space where only we know what's going on. And the Bible is the opposite. It's for everyone. And so it's interesting. I just try to win these people over and I've had encounters with them. where I talk to them, and they'll be like, I perceive you are clairvoyant.

And I'll look at them and say, no, I'm anointed. And I serve the living God, the Lord Jesus Christ, and you serve the devil. And I'm, but I'm very kind to them. Well, that's not very accepting. That's not very accepting. That's very inclusionistic. But we've got to tell the truth, Tony. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I often wonder if the prophetic can be developed in somebody. Yes. And because I don't know if, so I think sometimes people come late into it. For instance, my aunt, she, I think in her adult life, started becoming to the realization that she's a seer. And she doesn't talk about it a whole lot unless she's talking to somebody that she needs to tell something to. Yeah. And I often wonder, is it like something that, you know, as an adult she discovered or was it always there?

and she just never really tapped into that and didn't really acknowledge it as being something part of her, you know? But I imagine that there's a lot of people out there that feel what you just said about, you know, yes, I was born like this and something, even maybe something came to them

and I'm special, you know, and you are special. You're a special human being. That's right. And it's just, it's important for us to to kind of clarify what is what, you know? Yes. Do you feel like there has been, doing what you do in the prophetic,

there's a different type of, I imagine a different type of connection spiritually to people when you're prophesying, giving word. Do you ever encounter a pushback spiritually? Oh, totally, yeah. Different types of people. So I'll qualify it first by saying this. there's really four different flows of prophecy.

There's a lot more than this, but this is the basic four. Number one, and these are Hebrew words, so I'll just say these real quick. The first one that I talk about is Navi, N-A-B-I-N-A-V-N-A-V, and it means a bubbling-up. It means that you are under the inspiration of the Lord, and on the spot, you know something, and you're going to share something. Or they're like a herald. They declare something. But it comes to them on the spot.

Then there's Roe. And Roe is where you see a lot of these individuals who they have what I call a heuristic ability. This heuristic ability is a gut instinct. They know what to do. They make good leaders. Sometimes CEOs have this. They know they should do something. They don't have the data.

They don't have the empirical evidence. But they jump in and say, I'm going to do this. So Roe is that unction. You do prophesy. But it's kind of this ability to rally the troops, to rally the marching orders. Then there's the next two. which are the more scary ones. The next one is a Hebrew word called Chesa,

and it means to gaze. To gaze. Simply put it means to gaze, not the creepy way, where you're like some, you know, a thousand-yard prophetic stare. I'm not trying to say that,

or you look through people's soul. That's not what it's about. But it's where word of knowledge comes from. You look at people. The prophet, Elisha had this. He stared at a man that would be king, and he stared at him

until the man became embarrassed. And Elisha's looking at him and looking at him, him and the man began, and then Elisha began to weep as he's looking at this man and said, I see what you're going to do. I know that you're going to do these vile things very soon. And the man said, no, I would never do that. But Elisha, he was gazing. He was looking at him, not to creep him out. He was having an intuitive vision, which is a mental thing. And God puts images inside you and you interpret those. The fourth one is called Chose. And Chosei, actually,

the Hebrew tense means to peer or lean into the future. It means to lean into the future. It means to lean into the distance and you're looking into the distance so chose is like daniel the prophet john the revelator these kind of guys that begin to speak into the future they would see apocalyptic visions of what is to come and i'm very convinced you cannot induce chose you can't just simply go hold on let's see what's going to happen the next couple years around here and you begin to look into the distance i i think that is a area that i'll put it i'll put it softly, that's the gray area. I teach on this on a whiteboard with three different areas. You have the light, the dark, and then the gray area, which is in the middle.

And some people, they meddle so much, they end up in the gray area, which is really a soullish function for prophecy. And God doesn't want us there. He wants the wind of the spirit to lead and guide prophetic people. So they stand on the written word of God. They don't violate 1st Corinthians 4-6. And then they begin to speak exactly what they see. And then they work in interpretation. But Chose is where you look into the future and the Lord will snap you up and show you the future sometimes. That happens to me through impressions. It happens to me through visions. But those four things are the flows. So when I minister to people, which is one of the most common ways that I do, I'll preach, I get done preaching, and then I get done, and there's faith in the

room because the word has been preached, Jesus has been glorified. And I suddenly look around the room and I'll see somebody and it's like they stand out in the crowd to me. I look at them and then I've learned if the Lord is leading me to go to that person and just start sharing something, sometimes I have no idea what I'm going to share with them. I walk over to them and then information starts bubbling up inside me and I begin to share what I'm seeing. And then sometimes I'll get a snapshot of a vision. Sometimes I see written words in the air and I'll just read them.

And so that would be under Chesa, but you begin to see these kind of things. So as far as pushback goes, because that's what you asked, the answer is yes. and some people are harder to give prophetic words to you than others. I find sometimes people that are ultra, ultra-analytical, and they're like stone on the inside. They're harder because there's a pushback where they're like, don't talk to me, don't do this. Where other people, sometimes in meetings, I call them flag waivers.

It's like they're sitting there like this. Like, please prophesy to me. Give me a word. Oh, get a word inside. I'm going to add it to the 40 other words I've gotten this year, you know? That I haven't followed around. Yeah. And, you know, the ultimate word is this. It's the written word of God. And whatever we prophesy to people, whatever we say, it has to line up with this. It has to point back to Jesus. And if you want a prophecy, this is your sure word of prophecy. But that being said, yes, there's different types of people I work with. You know, I work in the church, the government, in the marketplace. And a lot of times God sends me to places that we don't overly promoter or talk about because there are times I've had to go in and rebuke a leader.

And it's very uncomfortable for me, Tony. It's not my personality to go in and be like, hey, you are the man. I don't like that. I don't feel like, you know, I feel more macho doing that. I actually do it. Sometimes I cry more than they do when I share words with people that are corrective in nature. And it's always private. Other times I go in and the Lord will have me come in because people invite me and they say,

please share with us, you know, what you're seeing. And I've had to do that. I've done that for rock stars. I've done that for political figures. I've done that in the nations, yeah. And I don't say who they are. I don't talk about it because that's a very important deal that people keep their privacy.

But that being said, some people are easier to minister to you than others. People that are very open to things are very easy to minister to. But the Lord gave me a vision years and years ago. I was in a revival meeting, a very famous revival meeting. It was called the Brownsville Revival.

Oh, wow. Back in the 90s. Yeah, I'm dating myself. Now, but I'm in this meeting, and we were there for a whole week, Tony, a whole week. And the power God was so palpable. I've become friends with the leaders, the leaders of that revival. I'm no friends with them. And in this meeting, man, I'll tell you, you were like thinking, am I even saved?

Do I know the Lord? Because the power in the presence. Yeah, right? And the power of the presence is so strong. The meeting was over, and I left the meeting. I'm walking through the parking lot. And as I'm walking through the parking lot, I get to the bus we're going to leave on, very long drive. I'm getting on the bus and I walk on this bus.

And as I'm going back to the seats, I'm about to sit down and the seat I was assigned to, suddenly I'm walking. And as I turned to go to my seat, I was no longer there. I was no longer there. And when I was no longer there, suddenly I opened my eyes and I'm standing in a whole different location. Now, I like to say whether I was in the body or out of the body, I don't. know, but I think I was in the body because people would have been screaming because there was a lot of people in the bus. And I stepped into this place and then suddenly I'm standing and I look around and everything as photo real as we're right now, as real as we are here together. I'm looking all around me and everything I looked at was concrete. Everything. Tony, the ground was concrete. The trees were concrete. As far as my eyes could see, everything was concrete. It was like a concrete world. And suddenly I looked into my right hand. And there was a little white seed in it.

And I was like, okay, there's a white seed there. I'm standing on concrete. And I heard the voice say to me, throw the seed. And I did. I took it. I threw the seed. The seed went up. It arced.

And it came down. When this seed came down in this vision, it came down with such force, Tony. It was like dropping a several ton wrecking ball onto the ground. This little seed hit the ground. and the ground in front of me exploded. Dirt flew up from the middle. And it left a crater in the ground like broken ice.

I'm looking at this and it was a huge crater. I looked at it and I heard these words, so shall your words be to the hearts of men. I thought, wow. And I was back on the bus. I thought, wow. And so in that moment, I realized when you're under intense presence of God

for a long period of time, whatever your giftings are, they'll come alive. and that gift just came alive and me even more at that time. And so when we talk about people that are difficult to minister to or people that are a challenge, I have found also the Lord uses me at times to break through their stony ground, their heart, to break into their life with the word of God and the love of God and lead them to Jesus Christ.

And I was at a table with an ambassador. If I said who this was, people would be like, wow, an Obama appointee ambassador. We're at a table. And we're all sitting at this table and this man was there, a really just amazing guy, just doing powerful work in the nations. He was an ambassador to a very specific nation. And when we're all at this table, this is happening to multiple times, but this man begins to introduce his family, his children, all this. And one of the children begins talking about, well, I don't know if I'm going to go down a political journey. I don't know if I'm going to go this way.

I think I'm just going to kind of, you know, be centrist and, you know, just not play either side. I'm going to go down on this thing. And I'm like, oh, this is nice. I'm just hanging with these guys. And then they said, hey, Joseph, we're about to eat. Would you pray? And this is, how is the trigger for me? I end up in these moments, Tony, and they say, would you pray?

You're the minister here, pray. And so I did. I said, I'll pray. And the Holy Spirit came up next to me in my inner man. When I say, came up next to me, it's like you feel his presence and he's speaking on the inside. and when you know his voice through the word and all this, you begin to recognize it. And he said, you do exactly what I tell you to do.

And I was like, yes, sir, I am yours to command. And in this moment, in that moment, the Lord opened up every life at this table to me. Like I could see their life. I could see what they were doing. I could see who they were. And the Lord said to me, you tell every one of them one by one. And I did.

I just started going down the row on the table, the family, guests, people, until I got to this very powerful man. And when I got to this powerful man, the Lord said, you lean into him. You tell him plain, exactly what I'm saying to him. And again, I'm not one of these guys that likes to really exercise my authority in a room. But when God tells you to do something, you do it. And so I told this man, you've made these plans, you've had this. This has been your life journey. This is where you are. This is how your family is going. This is why you're in this scenario with your marriage. And I went through a number of things. And at the point that I got to the finish line of it, This big man, this powerful man, slammed his fist on the table. And he began to yell at me at the table. Now, I'm talking an ambassador, okay? This guy looked at me and said, how do you know these things?

And he's pounding the table. How do you know these things? Who do you work for? And he gets in my face. And he said, how is this possible? I'm educated. I know things. And he starts going down his accolades.

And then this phrase came out of me. I said, because, sir, a man with a red, revelation from God is not at the mercy of someone with some argument. And I said, I have a word from God. And God sent me here for you. And I'm leaning into this guy. And one of his family members jumps up and says, I know what I'm going to do with my life. And he said, I don't know what everybody believes here, but whatever you have, he pointed

at me and said, I want it. And so I went in the kitchen and led this young person to Jesus. And it rocked their family. And the Lord has sent me in many areas like that. I've been in tables where there's a whole lot of attorneys. Actually, in this one setting, it was all Jewish attorneys, which is hilarious. And I tried to make a joke with them. Didn't go over well.

And I love them. But I just said, I work for a Jewish attorney. And they're like, oh. And I said, and he's never lost a case. And they're meaning Jesus, right? And so they didn't like that. But when that was done, we talked more. And the Lord did the same thing there.

He opened up the room and said, you'd do exactly what I say. And they said, sir, would you pray? I said, I'll pray. And I lit them all up. And these guys came and they said, I don't understand how you could see these things about my life. And I said, because Jesus loves you and he wants your life. And that story's happened hundreds of times in my journey. But some people are harder to minister to than others.

But when the Spirit of the Lord comes on you with that kind of horsepower, man, it's almost like I'm along for the ride doing what Jesus says to do. Did you ever, because I mean, when that first starts happening and the Holy Spirit's giving you that kind of instruction, did you ever have a hard time following through on what the Lord's telling you to do? Yes. I mean, because I know me. Yeah. And probably the first time that ever happened to me, I'd be like, Lord, I'll deal with you later. I'm not doing this.

I am not doing this. Yeah, I have a deal with the Lord. If he tells me something, I have enough of a track record. And that's the big thing about gifting. is you got to look at track record, you know, look at their failures, look at their wins. I'm very leery of somebody that only tells me their win stories, you know, because I've had failures, man. Like I have missed things at times with people. My revelation was accurate.

My interpretation was wrong. I'll give you a funny example. I was in a meeting one time, and I'm looking at this young person, and I began to tell them a word God had for them, and I knew it was accurate. And I'm telling them, man, you got this going on, you got that. going on. The Lord wants you to turn and follow him, repent of this thing here and this and that. And the kid just stared at me. And I say a kid, he was probably in his 20s, but he's just staring at me, like, blank. And I'm like, what is this guy's problem? And I'm like, man, I know what I'm saying? This guy's accurate. And I got to help him. And he's not listening. So I'm like, hey, you need to get

with the program. I was like, are you rebellious or something? Like, let's go. And all of a sudden, the people that were charged in the meeting pulled me aside and they're like, um, um, Joseph, he doesn't speak English. And so I'm scolding this guy who couldn't understand a word I was and so that being said, though, when the Lord has spoken to me to do things or say things, there's been times I've had to do things that are very, very uncomfortable. But I know if it's truly God and I bank on the track record, I bank on his written word, I bank on what he's had me do in the past, and then I follow through on that. And I would wrap you. fail in faith than succeed in doubt.

Because the Lord will cause you to, you know, the Lord has a way of making you look good, even when you've done something that you thought was right and you kind of missed it. But I believe if your heart is right and you're trying to help people and you're humble about it. Like if you miss something, you need to tell people, I'm sorry. I was in a meeting one time. And I told a guy, I said, your birthday is this date. And I knew that ahead of time.

You know, I wasn't trying to make it a prophecy. but because I'm the prophetic guy, the meeting thought I prophesied that to him. And I just said it. Oh, shoot, he got that. Oh, he nailed. The place erupted. And I'm like, well, and a lot of guys,

they would have ran away with that. They'd have been like, yes, I'm the chosen one. I'm amazing. And the Lord is like watching. Like, what are you going to do with that? What are you going to do with that? And I said, hold on, everybody. Hold on.

I said, in that setting, I knew he had this birthday because it's my birthday. and I saw it through either some communication or somebody was talking about it. I said, I saw that. And it was natural knowledge. I said, I was not prophesying him. Please forgive me.

This was not me trying to flex some prophetic word. It was a natural understanding. And I'll tell you, it about killed the meeting. People are like, oh, come on, man. But I do believe the Lord watches that. He's looking for integrity. He's looking for truth. And if you can pass those tests,

I believe he can use you in the higher levels. and, you know, I haven't arrived, but I believe that, you know, I've at least left in my journey. And it's important that we have integrity in these things. Absolutely. When you're talking about the pushback, do you feel like there's human agent pushback that may be sent by the enemy to a meeting or attacks? Definitely. I mean, I think I hear, I mean, I have a whole list of attacks that I've gone. on through. Yeah. But even like

our friend Troy he was talking to... There's nobody like Troy. I know. I mean, come on. He said that he had a lady show up at his house one day and I think she was probably off her rocker. But like in the natural

you could say, oh, she's just crazy. But then when you think about okay, what is Troy doing with his ministry? What kind of impact is he having? And what kind of desperation could the enemy be having to send a quote unquote crazy person to his house. But then there's also,

it's staying on Troy. He had a witch that appeared in his room. I know it. That he met in some other country. And so like with what you're doing, have you encountered that kind of pushback to where it's like the enemy is literally sending their own human agents towards you?

I sure have. Yeah, I sure have. And multiple examples of that. We were in another nation one time, and we're preaching in a stadium because the ministry we were a part of had prophesied who was going to win the election. And this is, gosh, this must be back in 2005, 2006. And we were prophesying, and it was a live televised event. And many prophets had called out and laid hands on this person who was going to be president of this particular country. I can name them, but I'm not going to go into it.

and the prophetic ministry we were with stood up and said the Lord showed me something different and wrote on a whiteboard the name of this other candidate that would win and they would win by 13 points that's the prophecy and I'm like man if we miss this one this thing's over and it exactly came true exactly so because of that that nation opened up to us and we were able to do stadium meetings all over prophesying to people saying stuff, doing music. And when I was there, we were ministering, had prophesied to gang members that were so touched by the word of the Lord that they said, because we are making this conversion experience, we met them behind the stage, we're rolling in the mud and three-piece suits hugging these guys

because the prophetic word of the Lord had so won them over that they said, we're leaving our life of violence and we're going to follow Jesus Christ. And I remember they kept shouting, and we're shouting over them, Andre de Dios, you are hombre de Dios, you are men of God. But that being said, there was also these people that came. And I was in a hotel room after this one event. And I looked out the window and somebody was floating outside my window. Oh, wow.

It was a female entity. And I thought, what in the world? And I woke up under this, like, shocking duress almost in the spirit. And I looked at that. And I'm like, I bind this in Jesus' name. What's going on here? I went to the event later that day when it was daytime, and I went to the event and I saw the person that was in the window.

And so we began to take authority over that. And I've had that over and over again. I've been in meetings where that were huge, huge meetings and other nations walking outside. And I'll never forget one, this demonized individual was in a car. And they said, oh, this person is in witchcraft. They got all these things going on. And when we went to the car, I learned something about this. Sometimes you confront these things.

Sometimes you don't. Because unless somebody wants to be set free, you don't mess with it. But I went there and the premise was they want to be set free. And we went to this car and it was a witch, somebody involved in witchcraft. We went to the car, opened the door, and they slid out like a serpent. And they started sliding across the ground like a serpent. And because of that, we began to pray over them. And they were like, no, don't want it.

And they're sliding around like a serpent. and near this facility was a giant carving that went miles long of a giant serpent through the nation. And that spirit was manifesting. I'll never forget this one, though, because somebody came over and they're like, oh, we need to help them. We need to pray for them. And they came over and started to lay hands on. We said, don't touch them. They don't touch them.

They don't want any part of this. They're here just to make a commotion. If they want freedom, we'll deliver that in Jesus' name. But this person came over and tried to comfort them. And the spirit jumped up through this person and bit this person on the hand, like shook their hand with their teeth. And we were like, we told you don't touch them. And so we've had a lot of this kind of stuff. Heather and I ministered in a community, a very basic community that had, you know, well, it was an Amish community.

And we had spiritual forces show up in our room where they would stand over our bed. They would stand in the room and I could see them at times. And we'd take authority over it and bind it, but that was the same time she got sick. So there's a lot of spiritual warfare that can come through these things. But I do believe the more you begin to know the Word of God, you begin to know who you are. You're not moved by the oppression. You're not moved by the tactical advancements of the enemy. You actually realize you and Jesus are the dominating force.

And if there's just one believer, just one, only one, standing against the powers of darkness, all of them combined. You have more authority in your little finger than they have all together. And I've learned that. And that's a revelation you get to stand in. But you don't go pick fights where God's not sending you. You go pick fights in areas he's not sending you. The devil can resist you because you're not called to be there. But when you're called to be somewhere, look out hell.

Because the anointing on your life will move hell out of the way. And I don't care what it is. That's the truth. You see examples of that all throughout scripture. You know, and I know we just got done filming season two of the counter. Right. And one of the things that I had talked about was David's Mighty Man. Yes. And when you look at the resume, it's what you're talking about is literally one man defeating an entire army. That's not in the natural. That's supernatural.

It is. And it's because you're on the right side. You're on God's side and he's fighting for you. It literally has nothing to do with you. That's right. And picking the wrong fight, though, if he has not sent you, it's a problem. And I've seen that in my own life, and I've been warned to be careful with, you know, poking certain bears that God's not telling me to poke. It's true. And, you know, I have a butt handed to me at times, you know, because it's just like, we've all been there, brother. It's like, oh, okay, misread the room on that one, you know. The person that slithered, I have heard this before. Do you have any, in It's okay if you don't.

Perspective on what that is? Because I have, it's popped up in my conversations over time. But the one that always pops in my head is on the audio version of our show, we have a whole intro. And we play clips of previous guests. And I think it was episode 50. I had a friend from college. And he was telling me about how he had this one friend. and they were, I guess, partying or something, and he became just manifested.

And he said, and the quote we have on the show intro is, dude, he slithered over to me. And that was like one of the first times I've ever heard that. Since then, I've heard of people demonically possessed slithering like a snake. Do you have any perspective on that? Well, we know what the Bible says, that we're called the trample on snakes and scorpions. many people equate that to a spiritual setting which I see the equation I really do that's also a direct quote to when they were traveling through that area that they had to actually watch out for stepping on snakes and scorpions in the natural and you learn that

when you hang out with Rick Renner and breaks this stuff down but that being said the answer is yes if there's a stronghold of principality whatever the main issue is in an area many times can manifest through people that are in coordination with it, that are a part of that, that are in, I should say, trapped in it. And that spiritual power will manifest with what's around the area. And that's just a simple understanding with it, but I've seen that a lot too. A lot of demons that manifest don't manifest with flamboyance. They don't come flying out with flamboyance.

A lot of demons hide behind intellect in America. They hide behind arguments. They hide behind things. and they don't get exposed because the highest level of demon control is thought process in the nation. People say, all the demons are in Africa or they're in some other country. Well, that's where the flamboyant ones are. But the real ones that are very scary are the ones that don't manifest, the ones that don't jump up. They control commerce.

They control high entities. They control people in high office. And they work through them subtly. And they do it with control. they don't want to manifest. They don't want to act like a serpent. They don't want to come out. And what they do is they try to change the culture.

And that's how we get to preach the gospel. And we got to go into these places and begin to confront that on those terms. And so I've seen a lot of that. But the ultimate thing is this. And I need to say this, even for the audience. This is very important, Tony. A lot of times we look at Old Testament narrative and it is powerful. But, you know, we're not in the Old Testament.

And I read the Old Testament. Man, I'm so into it. But there's a difference between the story. the Old Testament and the New Testament, and it's not just a blank page in our Bible. This guy named Jesus came, and Jesus came, and he empowered us in a different way than the Old Testament. Christ is now in us, the hope of glory. That means wherever we're walking, whatever we're doing, we are walking in the room with the power of Jesus within us and the power of the Holy Spirit upon us. And the Old Testament, there would be power that would come upon people,

but in the New Testament, we have a covenant, a blood covenant that's very different. And the highest currency in the universe is the blood of Jesus. So we begin to walk in that authority and have a revelation of his blood. We walk into places and no power, no darkness, no nothing can stop that currency. And I call it currency because in the spiritual realm, everything's legal. It's all legal ease in the biblical narrative. But when you have the blood of Jesus, it trumps everything. Every time you throw that card down, it dominates every conversation in the realm of the spirit. It shuts things down. Jesus walked into the devil's party, slapped him around and threw him out of his own party when he came into the New Testament era. So greater is he that is in us than he that is in the world.

So in the New Testament, when we're walking around, we are fully loaded, fully operational. But the fight is not knowing that. The fight is not developing that belief system in your mind. So we get treated sometimes as Christians, just like unbelievers. We don't realize the juice and the horsepower and the voltage we walk in. and we think we look at the Old Testament and say, wow, it was like this, this and this, and that's true. But in the New Testament, we have a greater promise built on better promises.

We are, you know, I think it's Hebrew 7 that says if the priesthood changes, then the law must change, right? And so the same things that everybody had to live and die by in the Old Testament, Jesus fulfilled in the new. And he is the priest in the order of Melchizedek. And because of that, therefore the priesthood changed. He has a never-ending lineage now. priesthood, and by default, the law changes. Not that we put the law away, not that we stop the law,

he fulfilled it. So when we're in Christ Jesus, the Lord, we are keeping the Sabbath on Tuesday night in our sleep. And a lot of people don't understand this. When you get a hold of what Jesus has done, when you walk into demonic encounters, you walk into anything, you are walking with a fully forgiven presence, a fully clean presence, as long as you're in Christ Jesus, the Lord. But the issue for every believer is they need to renew their mind to that. That's why Romans 12 1 through 3 is just do not be conformed to this world, be transformed by the renewing your mind. Renewing it to what? What Jesus paid for in you. So when you're walking around, most believers walk around like they don't got nothing. Yeah. And we're fully loaded, Tony. So, you know, you never saw

Jesus walk into a city in the New Testament. He never walked in the city, looked at the disciples and said, whoa, hold it, boys. You feel that? You feel the oppression? You feel the oppression? devil's in town today. Can't go in. We better get 300 intercessors and send them in here so we can open the heavens and get something going. And that is not Jesus' model. It's not his model.

It's actually not even a New Testament model. And I believe in intercession. I do it. I believe in prayer. I believe in cooperating with the spirit, what he wants, prayed over an area, over places. But we got to understand. We have a covenant anointing with Jesus. And when you simply lean on that and say, I am called by God Almighty,

through Christ Jesus the Son, there is no power, no anything that can stand up against that kind of force and horsepower. You have the greater one living in you. And when you walk into places, when you have the revelation of that, not just a knowledge of it, but a revelation of it. Paul the Apostle said in Galatians, he said, this was not taught to be my man. It came to me through the revelation of Jesus, the definite article, the revelation of Jesus. What does that mean? It means who he is, what he is, what he accomplished. So that's why in our ministry a lot of times we say, we're going red. Why? Because I'm talking about the blood covenant, the red church, the blood covenant. When you stand up in that fire baptized blood covenant, nothing can stand up against you, but you need to know that. You need to walk in it. And that's a good exhortation for every listener right now. When you know who you are in Christ and not just, thank you God, I got my fire insurance, you go beyond that and you walk in that authority and that horsepower. Not only where your gifts work better, because you're

working in cooperation, you are the dominating force in every scenario. Your presence should demand an explanation because Christ is with you. Yeah, so many people listening right now, you just said your gifts work better. They might be like, I don't think I have any gifts. Yeah. But that's just untapped, unexplored, right? Right. That's right. Well, we recognize the way you step into gifting, especially prophecy, since we've been on that topic, 1st Corinthians 14, says eagerly desire spiritual gifts, eagerly desire them. You know, desire to lay hands on the sick and see them recover. Desire to speak in new tongues.

Desire all these things. But then it says, especially that you might prophesy, that you might prophesy, that you might prophesy and release that word. That's an interesting, interesting passage. So eagerly desire the gifts, especially that you might prophesy. What that means is all gifts and prophecy are available to every believer. Wow. every believer.

And I believe you receive these gifts to the level you believe for them and you desire them and practice them. And so that's something what we've done over the years is we train people, we help them, and we bring them back to the Bible and practice those gifts. Wow. That's really cool. Because I, so I don't know how to even start saying this. Come on, Tony.

So I started feeling like maybe there was some kind of prophetic that was developing in me. Oh, big time. And I've been on record throughout the years on the show that I don't remember my dreams. At one point, I didn't even think I dreamt. But apparently everybody dreams just can't remember them. True. And I started having interesting dreams. and I'm remembering them.

And recently, there's two of my mind that's, that's, that's popping out. One, I, I dreamt, I think it was 24 to 48 hours before we went into Iran. Wow. I had a dream that I was standing on my back deck and the Knoxville airport has a really large gray military, like cargo planes. Yeah. and I had a dream that one of those planes was flying over my house really low and it just crashed over a hillside into a big fireball. Wow. And then we went into Iran.

And just two nights ago, I had a dream that I was driving down the road to pick up my kids from school. And the, it was like everything was just removed in the space. I knew what should be there. Everything was like just removed except for one thing. It was a gas station signed with the prices on. How about that? And it was $7. And I was like, $7 in Tennessee.

I wonder what it's like in California. Oh, man. You know? $30. Yeah. Yeah. And I remember those two dreams and I'm just like, were they prophetic? I don't know.

But I remember when the plane crashing dream, I didn't know how to interpret that. I just remember, I woke up the next day. I said, Lindsay, because like it was so real. I said to her, I'm telling you, there's going to be a plane crash locally coming soon. Yeah. And now I look at it, I'm like, maybe it was the whole military conflict coming into play. It was. You know, that's what she saw.

Yeah. You know, in dreams, Tony, there's revelation, interpretation, and application. And dreams, they can be very simple and very complex. You know, and a lot of people have, like, I don't know, like a 20-point chart or something to, you know, give you trigger. to figure out how to solve your dreams. I don't think it should be that complex. But simply put, you did see that. You're working through it.

You know, you saw something. And something people have to try to figure out is when they see themselves in a dream, they need to discern, is this really me? Or am I seeing through someone else? Am I seeing somebody else's experience? I used to think every time I would be in a dream, I'm having this encounter. I'm going to see this.

But many times, you're seeing other people and their experiences and symbolism. So I do believe you saw the start of the Iran war. I believe you saw what's going on. And the gas part of the dream is huge. I hope that's misinterpretation. Well, you've already seen it. It's already been happening. I don't want it.

And I hope it doesn't continue, but I think you're really seeing. Gosh. Yeah. It's expensive to fill my truck up. You know? I don't need $7. But I want to kind of go back here because I'm talking about the pushback and the attack.

Yeah. I, it just popped in my head when I was talking about dreams. So I had an experience not too long ago where it's about a month or two ago. I forget what was going on, but our bedtime routine at home was kind of shaken up for one night. And I normally, I'm the one putting my son to bed and we do these bedtime prayers. And, you know, it can be a little ritualistic. I, for me, I got to check some boxes.

You know what I mean? Every night I need to make sure I'm praying for the Holy Spirit's presence to be invited into my home. Come on. Even though I don't think he went anywhere. We're inviting you Lord. Totally. Totally.

And I'm constantly pray. It's like, I know my son knows the prayer by heart now because we're inviting the angels to come into our home and border our property, protect us while we're sleeping. Yep. And I just have another. another thing, but I won't go there yet. Because me inviting the angels into the home was a new development. I used to ask the angels to stand and border our property and protect us.

Yeah. And then I started inviting them in the home. And then my son had a dream that night. And I think I saw a play out in the physical while I was awake in my living room. It was wild. But that's not where I was going with this. I'll say that for another time. But I, so we, we do this routine.

And whatever was happening that night, I didn't put Ben to bed and we didn't do that. And I go to sleep and I have this dream or like a vision or something. Yeah. And it was very real. And I'm laying on my right side facing my wife in my bed in my dream, but also in reality. Like it was like a perfect mirror of what I was experienced. experiencing in the physical versus the dream. Yeah.

And standing over me behind me, like leaning over the bed, was, I don't know how it was to say it other than a druid, one of those druids. Wow. And it was something wearing a cloak and it was like shorter, but it was like leaning over me. And it had a wad of hair. And it was like wadding it over me. And I remember I woke Lindsay up because I woke up and I go, and I started swinging, you know, and I, and I wake up and I,

and I couldn't go back to sleep. So I go out in the living room and it was probably, I don't know, it was middle of the night, two, three o'clock in the morning. And I grabbed my Bible and like, okay, I'm just going to start reading. Because I was, if I knew there was some kind of attack going. And I remember I was standing in the middle of my living room and the Holy Spirit said, you broke routine. You didn't cover your house tonight.

Wow. And I was just like, whoa. And so whether that situation was purely a dream that the Lord used to teach me in, or it was an actual attack, but the Lord still taught me. And it's just like, I'm so ritualistic with it, though, you know? Like, you know, when I drive the kids to school, like, like my daughter now, if we're going down the road towards the school, she's like, Daddy, you didn't pray yet, you know?

It's just like, because I'm constantly, like, I'm dropping my kids off at school. So I'm praying prayers of protection over them. Oh, totally. And all that. But I forget the reason why I was going to bring this up. Maybe the pushback. I want to speak to that, though,

because many times, you know, when we're working out, like, what we believe, how we're walking through stuff, we'll have what I call incursions where demonic stuff tries to test the space. And it will try. to get in your space. You know, this happens prophetically where you're feeling something on somebody or somebody's

things. Many times, like even prophetically, I'll have a thought about something, I'll speak it out, and then somebody else comes in the room and says the same thing. Or I'll say, so-and-so's about to call me, and then they call me, that kind of thing. There's like traffic in the spirit realm, okay? That's just, you pick up on it sometimes, sometimes you don't. Darkness, when, and what you were experiencing was obviously witchcraft, somebody was doing something, and you're watching them go through the motion.

of cursing, that's what you were seeing. When you have those type of encounters, that's a testing of your boundaries, you know? And so I'm, if your conviction is to pray every night and make sure you got everything covered, I am so with you on that. I think we should do that every time. Every time I go into a hotel room,

I lay hands on the bed, and I come in a clean space so I can sleep and not feel who was there before me. But when you are in that space, you know, you simply begin to recognize, wait a second, I have a covenant. And one of the prayers I pray when I begin to run into that type of thing is many times my family will say this. We say it all the time.

Who do you think you are? Who do you think you are coming into this space? I'm bloodbought. I'm a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. You have no authority, no rights here, but there's an open door somewhere. I repent, I close it. But that is testing the boundaries to try to get fear, to try to get you to amplify. You know what demons love.

They love it when we talk about them. They love it when they're manifesting and you begin to glorify darkness, right? You glorify, glorify, glorify the darkness. Demons are a bunch of little attorneys that run around looking for access. And one of the number one gateways of access is fear. And if they can induce fear in you and you're like, oh, my goodness, oh, and you're shocked by it and you don't respond in faith, they get more access. And so that's what you're experiencing.

But your dreams and seeing things, Tony, you are totally picking up on things that are happening. But, you know, I had a friend that used to say it this way. I love this. He said, people would come to him all the time and say, Brother, don't go on this trip. Devil's going to try to kill you on this trip. And he would say, big deal.

Devil tries to kill me every day. And so he would just keep rocking that way. And there's so many things I've had witches show up in meetings, confront me to my face, start cursing me. And they're like, I work for the devil. And I look at them and say, big deal. I work for God. And they're like, oh, they don't like that.

gives him a little Mufasa moment. Mufasa. But I've had a lot of that. I've been in meetings where Satanists have come in the meetings. I know standing on the platform one time, Tony. I'm looking out at this audience. Holy Ghost rolls up on me. And he says, right there, third row, you know, middle.

There's a Satanist over there. He's cursing you. And I'm like, what do you want me to do about it? He said, call him out. I was like, okay. I'm like, you there. He was in khaki pants, look like a normal guy. I said, you there.

And he looks up at me. I'm like, you're a Satanist. I changed the dynamics of a meeting. I said, you're a Satanist, true or not true. And he's like, it's true. He's like, yeah. I said, you came here to see if you could have power over this meeting, right? And he's like, yeah.

I said, look, brother, if you want to have a throat on right now, I'm your Huckleberry. If you want to go for it, if you want to get into the spiritual fight right now, let's go. Let's go. I said, but if you're smart enough, you'll recognize that greater is he that's in me than he that's in the world. and you're already beaten. And if you want to, you can stand up and just repent and receive Jesus because you serve a losing God. I serve the Lord of the universe.

And this guy, he looked at me. I said, if you want it, stand up. He stands up, repents, give his life to Jesus. And thank God the meeting went okay after that. But these kind of things happen, man. Wow. And it's predicated on, the outcome is predicated on your entrance. What do you believe?

What do you know? and the devil comes along fee, five, foe, fom, he does smoke and mirrors, he does everything he can to get us off our game. But we got to recognize we have the greater one in us. And that doesn't mean you don't get scared. Do you see things? When I was a kid, I had entities floating through my room, shaking my bed, knocking stuff on the ground. I had crazy encounters all the time, nightmare after nightmare after nightmare. To the point, I was so afraid of the dark, even as an adult, because of some of the encounters I had.

they were so dramatic and so terrifying that I thought, man, if a demon manifests, I wouldn't want to be in the house alone. I didn't want to be anywhere alone. It took me years to get over that. And what got me through it was revelation. Jesus is Lord. And greater is he that is in me. I had this happen even in the last couple of years. I had something come into the room and start knocking stuff all over in my room, knocking stuff on the ground and doing things.

And I was like, what in the world? And instead of being like, emergency, warring, tongues, ah! you know, what a shoulda, could have bought a Honda or whatever. I didn't go into that type of thing, which Pentecostals would do. I just got up and I'm like, hey, who do you think you are? It stops now. Get out. I'll tell you, when you get abrasive with them, knowing who you are, it stops. Because they know if you know.

And I have one other, I got to share this. This is important. When I was younger, Tony, I went to a whole lot of meetings. I was praying. I was interceding. I was fasting all the time. I'd taken like the whole new testament of the Bible almost on the weekly. I'd just read it.

I'd listen to it on audio where it just began to really permeate my being. So I was just a Bible guy. So I didn't want to be the prophetic guy. I never wanted to be the prophetic guy. I wanted to be the prophetic guy. I want to teach the word and people go, that really ministered to me. That's so powerful.

And the Lord's like, yeah, you can do that sometimes, but you're also going to do the weird stuff. And I'm like, thank you, Lord. And but when I was younger, I was praying and fasting, doing these things. And one night, it's like midnight, I was probably 16, I'm guessing. I felt an unctioned by the Holy Spirit to go to a family cemetery and go there and pray. I'm like, okay, Lord, this is weird.

Why am I doing this? But my family had some really bad nefarious stuff in it, on one side of the family and different things. And I bless everybody. I'm not against anybody. I love my family. But the Lord sent me there, and it was probably around midnight. I get there. Now, Tony, this is a little country cemetery, and I'm talking the middle of nowhere. There was no lights. Didn't have a cell phone at the time. No flashlight. I show up pitch black.

The leaves are off the trees. Full moon, right? And it's all these things. The only thing missing in this narrative was a dog man. Or a wolf howl. A dog. And let's go into the dogman. It was a wolf howling. I just thought, man, this could use a good wolf right now. And so I had a dog man. Ladies and gentlemen, the confessionals. But I stepped onto this cemetery property and I walked up to one of the patriarchs of our family in their grave site. I'm standing there in the dark, totally in the power of God, no fear, no anxiety. And I walk up to this tomb and I began to stand over it and I said, it all stops with me, all of it. Whatever happened in my past, whatever happened in my family's past, I'm putting you all on alert. It stops with me.

I draw a line of blood. I am bought with blood. And I began to plead the blood of Jesus. I broke off every curse, anything that would try to get to me and my children. And that was kind of it. I leave the cemetery. I get out of there. About a week later, I go to this church.

I walk into this church. And I walked in there. A lady stands up and starts screaming when I walked in. And began to say, the voices told me you would come. They told me. They told me to watch for you. There you are. Now they're saying, stay away from you.

stay away from you. And I'm like, what? And this was like a secret church, like a real, low-key, soft tenor, not a lot of Holy Ghost power type of church. And I'm standing across the room and so I yell back to this lady. And I'm like, hey, I got a message for the voices. I said, I bind you in Jesus name. This lady drops over, starts doing the croppy flop on the ground. And everybody says jumping on her. They don't know what to do. She's screaming all this. One thing leads to another. I get everybody away from her. I start talking to her. I said, you want deliverance of this? You got demons coming out of you.

And all of a sudden, these two demon spirits came out of her speaking to me. And they named themselves. I still remember their names. I don't want to say their names because who cares about pet stinkies people have. But they named themselves and they said, oh, we know you.

And they said, we were there in the cemetery last week when you were standing there and praying. We were watching you. And we're assigned to stop you. And I thought, okay, that made the hair on my neck stand up a little bit. One thing leads to another. And after that, she went back to her coven because she was a witch. She went and got her warlock and showed up at another gathering we had on our property at the time,

and my mom's property. They show up there and they start like ripping their arms open, drinking blood in front of me, trying to curse me. And Tony, I was still young in faith and young in the Lord. I wish I could have said I had a spiritual encounter, waved my hand in the power of God took care of it. I actually ran them off by saying, if you don't leave, I'm going to beat you to your knees physically, get off my property. But that being said, these things do see us. They watch us. They're looking for these opportune moments. And we just got to keep walking in the written word of God. We've got to keep walking and standing above it all. And we'll overcome it every time if we don't faint, if we don't faint. Because it doesn't mean that it's easy. It doesn't mean these things don't come and fight you in your mind. The number one place the enemy fights us is in our mind. And sin is emotional. It's It's emotional. If it can compromise your mind, then your emotions attach to that and you start making wrong decisions. You can't be tempted with what you don't think about. So if you're thinking about things that the enemy is bombarding you with until it drops down into your soul, if he can get you to compromise or get you into areas like that, now he's going to start actually having legal authority. And this is why we've got to stand up and know the word of God, walk in revelation. And instead of always repent, which we need to repent, 1 John 1 9, we need to repent. One of the greatest things you can do against the enemy is confess your righteousness. Yes, you repent. If you've done something, you need to repent.

You need to get clean and in your emotions, cleanse yourself of a guilty conscience even. But this is for everybody listening to. You need to start confessing your righteousness. Hold up. Yes, I repented to that. I close the door. But I'm the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. Demons don't like that one. They don't like that because you're starting to know who you are. Greater is he that's in me, but I'm the pearl of great price. He paid everything for me. I'm valuable. Do you know who you're talking to, punk? And you get on that road and you start to have an identity that aligns with Jesus, not your goodness, his goodness.

And you're in him and he's in you. And demons, when they see that, they know, uh-oh, we better come back a different time. Big problem. Yeah. So when it comes to like deliverance ministry, I've been talking a lot about that on the show for the last year. Yeah. What you described happening in that cemetery, that sounds almost,

like a cleansing of a bloodline, the deliverance of a bloodline, you know, and the curses. Is that kind of how you view it? It's a wild thing, Tony, because a lot of people get into that. They say you got to go back and cancel your generational curses and all that. And, you know, I come from the school of thought when I read the Bible, you're born again, and every curse is canceled. You have new bloodline, Jesus Christ. You are cleansed in the blood. Your bloodline is now clean. However, there are tendencies and behaviors, and demons want to trigger that. So just because you're cleansed spiritually, your bloodline is cleansed, you're in the blood of Jesus. If you don't renew your mind, meaning Romans 12, 1 through 3, if you don't renew your mind, you're going to sink back into

your natural sin nature. Now, that's broken in Jesus. It's over. But if what you think about is where you're headed, what you're listening to, what you're looking at, is your destiny, that's where you're going. So if you're not meditating on what is pure, what is holy, what is a good report if you're not in that scripture and meditating on these things, you will activate things that are part of your fallen past. But I believe when you're in Christ, the bloodline is broken. It's over. But you still have biological tendencies. You still have DNA tendencies. You still have things. And I think people mistake that for the curse, meaning you have a cursed bloodline, when really it's just humanity. It's just carnality. And if you renew your mind, you're not a part of that.

Now, there are things that can repeat in people's life cycle that things keep coming back, like a curse, so to speak. But you just need to pray, get to know the Lord, and he'll begin to lead you right out of that and break it off. So I'm kind of in the middle on that because I have a lot of people that say, you got generational curses. It's like, well, I got born again, you know, old things passed away. All things became new. But when you recognize spiritually, that's true, but your soul still carries those kind of issues,

and that's why we got to renew our mind. God's cry to the world is, repent. and be saved. God's cry to the believer is, renew your mind. Get to know what you have. When you have that, all your gifts come alive. They come, and I've, Tony, I've had wild encounters and experiences, and half the time I don't even like them because I want to just get to the fundamentals and see people's lives changed. Yeah. Have you seen, like, I mean, we talked about different attacks and stuff, but I mean, miraculous signs and wonders, you know? Yeah. I mean, that's where, like, that, you know, we should be, we should be hoping to see more.

Yeah, yeah. And I just saw, I think Paramount, I think, is coming out with a TV series. I saw an advertisement for it. And it was a doctor who was saying how the person died on the platform, you know, and they're done. So at that moment, the nurse is left there with the body to start preparing it so that it's presentable for the family to come see. Yeah.

And he's, he's walking out, and he's walking down the hallway. And he said that the Holy Spirit just said, you need to go back and you need to pray over the... And he's like, I'm not doing that. You know? I ain't doing it. And the Holy Spirit told him to go. And so he turned around. He went in there, and the nurse said, you know, what are you doing in here?

And he said, just give me a second. Just give me a second. It's going to be weird. And he said, he put his hands on the man. chest and starts praying for him. And then he tells the nurse to, what's it called, when they zap you, I forget what the machine's called. The defibrillate. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. So she hits him as he's praying and the man comes back to life. Wow. And he survived. And the nurse was probably like, what just happened? You know, but like there's, you know, I had Mike

Siginrelli on the show years ago. And he's a love Mike. He's a dear friend. Oh, I love that man. He loved my book cover, by the way. I bet he did. Yeah, come on. But he said how he was in another country, and they were ministering, and there was a man that was dead, and the person that he was with, this is me retelling a story, so I may not have all the details proper. But the man he was with wanted to go pray for the dead man that was dead for 45 minutes.

Wow. And Mike said, you know, I really didn't. have that faith in that moment, you know, but I went along with it. Yeah. And, you know, long story short, they're praying over this, this body and he sees breath coming out of the body. And the man's now a zombie, he's walking around. Oh, man. Dead man walking. That's awesome. But yeah, I mean, so throughout your ministry and stuff, I'm sure you've seen that maybe, I don't know if you've seen dead people rise, but, you know, we have. Okay. Let's go there. Okay. So Heather, Heather has, she has a really powerful healing ministry. And I know she's on the program, my wife, Heather. And we have seen

by their own reports, we don't have doctors records, but we've seen AIDS healed. Heather's prayed for people. People that had their ability to have children surgically removed came for prayer. Heather gets this horsepower in her. She need a lady in the stomach. And I'm like, what are you doing, you know, after this? A year later, they had a baby. You know, she completely had a child. We've seen this over and over again, one of the big ones is when our daughter was well along in pregnancy with Heather Header in her womb, our daughter suddenly quit moving. She quit moving. And so we didn't know up from down. We're just dumb kids. And we went into the ER at like 3 o'clock in the morning because it was scaring us. And they did an ultrasound. They did everything. And I asked the

clinician who was doing it. I said, hey, do you ever see things can't tell people? He said, yeah, sometimes I see dead children and I can't tell the parents and he's looking at me with a lot of compassion. And I was like, wow, that must be hard. Didn't register, right? And that night we went back because it was so late. They said, why don't you guys go back and we'll have you come back in the morning type of thing? It's, you know, there's not much more we can do here. We're going to run these tests. Come back and, you know, later tomorrow. We went back home, got in bed and I had this unction come over me, lay hands on Heather's stomach and speak the words live. I was like, okay. hey, just an unction from the Holy Spirit, put my hand on the belly.

And I said, little baby, you live. Everything that's going on. You come alive. And I still was kind of disconnected from it, but I felt power. Yeah. The next morning she gets up and a little foot hits her stomach and starts sliding down her stomach. Right after that, we got a report from the doctor saying, we regret to inform you. Your child has passed.

Whoa. And we need to make an appointment to come in and remove the fetus. That's true, Doc. What I like to say is too late. Jesus already saved her. So three days she wasn't moving. And Ali was brought back to life. I know she was.

And we've tried to find those doctor's records, all that. But we had it in paper. We had the print, the living baby, and the doctor's order to come in and remove the child. And so we've experienced a lot of that. You know, I've seen lots of healing. One time I was so meditating on healing. And again, we've talked about this, Tony.

But whatever you meditate on the most, you're going to start experiencing. So whether it's negative, positive, whatever you focus on in faith from the Word of God will start to grow in your life. And healing for a season of my life was so big. I listened to it all the time. I started knowing in the spirit

were the spirits of just men made perfect, those who are one in spirit with the Lord, those that are in the Lord are one in spirit with Him. In other words, we're perfect in the spirit realm. When we get born again, John 22, he breathed on them and said, receive the Holy Spirit. We become one with the Lord.

in the spirit, not in our flesh, in the spirit. So that made me realize that whatever we have in the spirit, it's all done. Everything's done. Your healing is there. Your prosperity is there. Your increase is there. Your destiny is there. Your relationships are there.

Everything you need is there, right? So I was so meditating on things being done in the spirit. We don't see it in the natural, so the bridge is faith. You got to pull what's done in the spirit into the natural. How do you do that? Well, faith. Faith is the substance. of things hoped for, the evidence in the spirit of things not seen in the natural.

Wow. And so I started meditating on this, and healing became one of the things. And I got to such a point that one time I fell while I was doing construction, and the fall actually jabbed me in my rib cage, and it broke my ribs. I heard them break. And I'm laying there not able to breathe, not able to breathe, but I've been so meditating on healing that it's already done in the spirit. It was so thick in my mind and process that I spoke it out.

and I said, I'm healed. And within two to five minutes, it went back together and healed right there. Wow. And I've had that encounter a few times. Now, if I'm not meditating on it, it's almost like you can speak it. It doesn't have the same voltage. I don't know what that's about. But whatever you're meditating on and you're really in it and faith is built on you

in the word of God on a specific issue, you can stand in a different way. And we've seen that over and over again. Heather had blood clots rushing to her brain in her now. and she was so saying, and they kept telling her every week, you're going to die, you're going to die because of her kidney process. Dialysis was taking her life because she didn't have the antibodies to stand up to some of the issues. And she kept experiencing over and over again where the doctor would say, you're going to die.

And she'd say, no, I'm not. It got to the point we would laugh, not at the doctor, but just laugh and faith. And those blood clots got dissolved. They were impossible to be dissolved. She's had so many things like that over and over again. and we've seen this not one time, hundreds of times, where people truly get healed, they truly get breakthrough. I've seen, in my own body, broken bones mended.

I've seen a lot of these things where the Lord just did a profound miracle. And our son, who is autistic, 12 specialists, couldn't speak nonverbal, has now come to the point that he does speak, you know, and he operates at a high level, but he had nothing to work with. I'm talking on every level and came through it, But that, I remember one time a sickness jumped on my daughter. And her whole body was filled with like hives, like scales, all over her whole body. And it was like sandpaper everywhere on her skin.

And we thought, what is going on with you? But I was meditating on that healing thing. It's done in the spirit. So let it be in the natural. To the point that when I laid hands in her and prayed for her, and she's in a high chair. When I laid hands on her and prayed for her, Tony, I was so convinced of the reality of what's done in the spirit that whether I saw the or not, I was not moved. I didn't care. I didn't care about what the natural said to me. I was so moved by the spirit that when I prayed for her, I opened my eyes. Nothing was different for a moment.

And I'm like, praise God, you're healed. I saw it in the spirit, not in the natural. And because it was so connected to that reality, that truth of what Jesus did, suddenly her skin started changing in front of my eyes. Really? Yeah. And it turned to baby skin again. And like in five minutes. You know, the crazy thing is many times when people see a healing and they shout and they scream and they go, that's amazing. I'm blown away by this. Unbelievable. They actually have a very hard heart because they don't believe the reality what the Bible says.

They believe there are five senses more than what the Bible says. And when you start believing what the Bible says more than your five senses, you're going to start seeing breakthroughs. And that's, anyway, I just want to share that. No, I love it. I love it. Yeah, I think that I've been learning a lot about the healing. Oh, I know you, sir. And I've been kind of walking in that myself where it's like,

and talk about learning how to like walk in faith. Oh, man. I was trying, I'm thinking myself, I got to have this faith to believe she's healed, even if I don't see it like you're saying in the natural. Yeah. By the way, you keep, voltage and horsepower you say a lot.

And I love that. Thank you. Sometimes, sometimes, like, I'll feel. I'll feel that that unction inside, that voltage, that horsepower. Maybe I just need to release it in that moment. You do, brother. But, yeah, that's wild. So I, where was I going to go with that?

There was something else I wanted to bring up with the healing. It's gone now. It's okay. It's gone. Bummer. Man, that really bothers me. I had this thing I was going to say. It's gone now.

But, all right, so she, your daughter was healed. I got to work through this. Oh, that's what it was. Your son. Yes. So are you familiar with Joseph and Franco? He's a Destiny Image author, but he doesn't like come to NRB and things like that. I don't know that I am.

So he wrote a book called Decoding Cody. Oh, forgive me. I do know this book. Okay. Yeah. Or I've seen the book. Yes. So I was moved by my conversation.

with Joseph. It was such a faith-building conversation for me. That's wonderful. And some of the things that he said that he's, so Cody is a nonverbal autistic, I think he's a young man now. Wow. And they started using, I guess, a spelling technique. Have you heard of this? No, I haven't. So it's some kind of like, I'm not the one to talk about it. But it's called, it's a spelling technique where the nonverbal autistic child will will spell somehow. Yes. And the way he presented it, I guess, traditionally, like science says, oh, that's not really, you know, accurate, you know, or whatever.

It's like, well, we don't recommend that. Yeah, yeah, of course. But he learned that through communicating with Cody this way and other nonverbals with Cody, Wow. There's this place called that all these nonverbal kids called the Hill that Jesus is taking them to and they get to experience they're in the presence of Jesus and they're not limited by their physical bodies. They're a full operation. And it's it was such a huge thing for me to hear him talk about this because for many different reasons. Yeah.

But it impacted me a lot. And I just, I think that there's something when it comes to the nonverbal autistic children that we don't quite understand what's happening spiritually. I agree with that. They're super in tune with the Lord. And these kids were coming back from this place they call the Hill where they're with Jesus. And they all talk about it. Wow.

And you having your son being autistic, from what I understand, it's hard for an autistic person to lie because it creates a lot of chaos. They're incapable. Yeah. And so the idea that all these autistic children are lying about going to this place called the Hill where Jesus is. They're not lying. They're not lying. Yeah. And they say things, like they'll come back with things that Jesus has told.

them and, you know, they'll know certain things or they'll say that they've seen, they see angels fighting demons. Wow. And they have such a different, the Lord's just allowing them to see things that we don't get to see. Man. And I didn't know that your son, I knew he was autistic, but I didn't know he was nonverbal. So you saw him progress past the, we did. Yeah, he was 12 specialists. And they just said, here's how it's going to be. Here's where he's at. and Heather, you know, who just would not accept that. And we love autistic children, and we just have so much compassion and we had them,

but we decided we're not accepting that. We're going to stand on the covenant. And, you know, Danny, our son is still on a journey. You know, he's still there, but we've seen such progression that it's impossible what's happened with him. And having said that, he also does have prophetic dreams. Like when he has a prophetic dream, more than anybody, I'm like, I tune in immediately.

I'm like, tell me every detail because there's no guile. There's no discerning what's what. He just tells me exactly what he saw. And it's some of the most freakishly accurate dreams I've ever heard. And so I love that book you brought up and sounds like a wonderful man that wrote it. Yeah. But that's true. They're very honest.

Yeah. There's this, the telepathy tapes was a podcast that came out focusing on nonverbal autistic. and they were pushing more of a secular angle. Yeah. And they brought Joseph on to talk about, because he's a pastor out in Arizona. Praise God. And they,

they clipped a lot of it to, because they didn't want the Jesus part. Yeah, of course. From what I understand, I've never listened to it. But I was very happy to be able to offer him a platform where he could actually just share what he knows.

I gotta go check that out, man. I'm telling you. I will. It's an awesome book. It's called Decoding Cody. I'm going to listen. your podcast on that. That sounds awesome. I'm telling you. It was awesome. Heather will love it. Yeah. Sounds like a great guy. You know, there's been so many things, if you don't mind going back to

this for a second. Sure. There's, there's been prophetic happenings that have been happening. And one of the things we talked about, Tony, before the program was, you know, what's God going to do next? Where are we going? I was just going to bring that up. Were you really? Oh, okay. I love talking with you, you, brother. You know, Tony, I want to say this about you, you're one of the greatest guys. I mean, really, You know, people that watch, you know, your audience, you're watching Tony. I want to tell you, Tony is on a journey that so many of us are just cheering for because God is taking you and he's multiplying your voice. And you've made a decision to go down the road that is biblical. And I just want to commend you for that.

You know, you've had wild success in the area that you're in here, helping people understand things, call things out. But what you're really doing is starting to bring the gospel and the gospel of the kingdom forward. And it is just a thrill to watch and be a part of. And you're a real gentleman, Tony. Thank you. It's great to be with you. Thank you. So one of the things, like, prophetically, when we're looking at where things have been,

I need to tell this to everybody because this is something that we've experienced. And I believe the world is in for a bit of a rodeo. But it started for me in 2015. The Lord sent me to Trump Tower. And again, I'm not all about one politician or another. I just do assignments that God tells me to do. So I go to Trump Tower in 2015, right around the time he's announcing. And when I go there, the Lord began to speak to me.

And I'm standing in Trump Tower and I thought, is this going to be the new president? Is this what's going to happen here? And the Lord said, I'm not gracing you to know that, but I want you to pray for this guy. Okay. And then I asked the Lord this question, what's going to happen with America? It seems like we're on a trajectory to go downhill. It's over. And the Lord spoke to me and said, no, America has another round in front of it because

the young lions are coming. So I'm in that place. I thought, wow, that's interesting. That's amazing. Now, fast forward a few years later, I'm standing in a meeting. I had a moment. And now, the way I talk, it would sound like I'm having back-to-back prophetic experiences all the time. Many times, these are months, if not years apart. So you have these kind of things. But I was in a meeting, and suddenly there's ministry happening, and I heard almost an audible voice roar across the auditorium. It hit me in my intellect, hit me in my spirit, and said these words to me, come up here, come up higher, come up where I am. And on the heels of that, I got invited by Rick Renner, our mutual friend, Rick loves you and we love Rick. He invited me to go to the seven churches

of Revelation. Okay, so I had this thing about America's one more round. The young lions are coming. Then he said, come up higher. I want to talk to you. I thought, what are you talking about? From there, I ended up going to the top of Pike's Peak just before this trip to the seven churches where the Lord said, go to the top of Pike's Peak. This is America's Mountain. I want to call you as one of the watchmen over the nation. And I want you to begin to prophesy what I say to you. So I'm on America's Mountain from there. I went to the seven churches of Revelation, stood at the Apostle John's house, where he stood over the Temple of Artemis, looks at all these things, the pagan cries of a generation, right? He's standing there. And the Lord's just taking me on this

prophetic act, this journey, until we ended up at the site of Noah's Ark. And Noah's Ark, people say, well, I've been to Noah's Ark, not the one in Turkey, or not, excuse me, not the one in Kentucky. Kentucky. I almost said it. But the one in Turkey, the one in the mountains of Eastern Armenia, the ones that are the mountains of Araf. And I'm there, Tony. And I believe that's getting more and more pressed. One of the guys that took us through that whole site was just on Fox and Friends, like within a day ago. Well, maybe today. They were there, and that's my friend. You know, we were there. And that site is getting scanned. They're excavating it. They're learning that this probably really is Noah's art.

They're excavating it? They're excavating it. They're finally getting that permission. It's exciting. The days of Noah, how prophetic is that? But before this really gained the notoriety, but two years ago, Rick and I stood on that exact structure. We filmed five days of TV there. I'm standing there, and the Lord began to finish that prophetic trajectory for me. From 2015, Trump Tower to come up higher. Lord spoke to me. Go to the top of Pike's Peak.

seven churches of Revelation, stand at the Apostle John's house, and then I'm standing on Noah's Ark, and the Lord began to speak to me about America from Noah's Ark. So I'm standing there looking at the border of Iran. They're looking back at us, you know, hey, it was amazing. And we're waving at them. But as we're standing there, the Lord said this to me, and this is what I believe we're in right now, as a nation, and then where we're going. First of all, that was 2024, and he said, America is going to go through a season. He said, just as I saved the, these eight passengers on this vessel, so will I preserve my people through four years of redemptive instability. That was 2024. We are now in 2026 at the time of this podcast. And in 2026, I believe we're in

the Valley of Decision as a nation and the future. And so many things are happening. This is the 250th year of America. We are seeing that God is wanting to call a time of repentance, a time of turning this nation back over to God in the month of May of this year. There's going to be that dedication of dedicating America back to God. We're seeing that unfold. But I believe we're coming into the valley of decision. And the Lord has spoken to me very strongly that if we do what he calls us to do as believers and as the church, we will upset the Great Reset.

In other words, the 2030 Great Reset. The Lord is calling us to rise and shine and get on point because 2026 is meant to be Psalm 126, or what you've sowed in tears, you're going to reap in songs of judgment. You're going to get delivered of things that have been impossible for you to come out of, and that it's going to be that moment where those who are delivered of their captivity are like those who dream. So I see this this next two years in this nation. I believe right now we're in the Valley of Decision. The midterms play a big part in that.

It's not just about politics, but it is politics. The midterms play a big part in this. That'll be a preview for 2028, what happens in the midterms. But the Lord showed me that 2028 is a gate. and when we get to 2028, I believe it's a gate that's going to open up the future for this nation. Now, we'll either have a new America one way or the other. We're going to have the new America where people begin to rise up, go back to our fundamental values, or we're going to go rapidly down the other trajectory. And that's the gate.

So, 27, a lot of people have been prophesying about this. I believe it's going to be a wild, fiery year. I believe things are going to materialize, disclosure. We've talked about a lot of that. you've had me in meetings that I'm going, wow, I didn't know I'd be in this circle. Drag you to underground meetings in the middle of a desert. Thank you, Mr. Merkel. And it's been amazing to know some of these things.

But I believe that just as darkness is rising, there is a new level of momentum, a new level of authority that is just manifesting for believers to stand up in 27. 27 and 28, we're going to arrive at the gate and we're going to determine where this nation's going, not just politically, but it's just politically. but in every aspect. We've got the technology that's rising. We've got the UFO narrative, all the things that we all talk about.

But the Lord has showed me clearly, we have two years to arrive at that gate, and whatever we do with it as the church, it's time to rise and shine. And so this is a charge to pastors to start speaking from their pulpits about truth about the culture. We preach the gospel,

but we need to speak to the culture. I think it was Martin Luther that said, you know, if you're not speaking to current events, you're really not doing the gospel. You've got to speak to current events. You've got to talk to people. And the church, it's almost like we won, if you want to call it a win,

people have controversial views on President Trump. But it's almost like we have a president that stepped in that's at least trying to do right by the church. And all of a sudden, the church let off the gas in many areas, just said, you know what? It looks like this guy got in.

Whatever it's going to be, it's going to be. And I believe the Lord is saying, this is the time for the watchmen to begin to pray and intercede and strike these things down before they take real footholds in the nation. Foreign adversaries on U.S. soil, the persecution that will come over UFO deniers. You've said this many times. I believe that's going to be a rising issue. I believe that we're going to see the Islamification of America completely

if we don't pass through that gate in 2028 with real clarity and what God's called us to do. or we're going to see our children's children in a difficult place. But I have great hope in all this. Great hope. I believe there's a roar in the tank, and I believe that we are going to have a hopeful future because I was in a meeting a Mario Marillo crusade. I love Mario.

I would love to be a part of one of those crusades in the day. Oh, Tony, he's different. He is anointed, and he will bring holiness, righteousness, and people get born again. I just love Mario Marillo. But he was going into a moment where a shout happened in the tent, okay? And it's in Colorado Springs about two years ago. And this roar took off in the tent.

And I have prophetic encounters sometimes. And as this roar is happening, the Lord pulled me back. As the roar, the people are shouting to the Lord. This roar is happening. And the Lord whispered to me and said, listen to me. I was like, yes, sir. He said, this is not the end, not yet. It said, okay.

Now Jesus could return right now. but this is what I heard in my spirit. This is not the end. And then I got a snapshot of about 20 years out where I was looking back at the time we're in right now. And I saw a banner come across a newspaper article that said, God saved, past tense, America. God saved America.

So I believe it's an invitation to see the salvation of God turn this nation one more time for his goodness. And there's a lot of prophetic things like that. I can continue going into. I have a lot of things we could look at, you know, in 2020, Tony, many people were saying Trump was going to win in 2020. I had two dreams where I saw him lose. I woke up the day after the election and I saw him lose two

times. And the Holy Spirit said, tell everyone. I'm like, I don't want to tell everyone that because everybody's saying he's going to win. It's a shoe win. And the Lord said he'll lose and say it's through a technology. And so I did. I said, I see him losing. It's through technology. If all things are equal, he would win or he did win. But publicly, it's going to look like he lost. And so we shared that. And I'll tell you what, people stayed away from my ministry by the thousands after that. Really? Yeah, they did not like that.

And I do believe that the people that prophesied he would win, I believe they were seeing exactly what we're watching unfold now, that they're going to go back and prove he did win. But at the moment, I saw the snapshot of what was going to play out in front of us. And so I saw that. And the Lord is speaking to me during this time that there's a dark horse coming in 2028. There's going to be a dark horse candidate. somebody that I don't know which side of the aisle they're on, but I've been praying into this, Tony, that there's another person, kind of like a Mamdani out in New York, or whether they're

on one side of the aisle or the other, somebody's coming that's going to make a splash. I don't know if it's a unification of two or if it's one individual, but they're going to come like a dark horse underrated in the beginning, and they're going to make a big splash. And I've seen God's hand mightily on Marco Rubio as well. And so there's things I'm just praying into that I believe are very, very important as we go forward. One of the things I think that's preserved this nation is also in 2020. I was given a prophetic word one day, and I go live every morning. I start drawing out prophecies I see.

And one of the things I saw Tony is I saw the Supreme Court would make an unprecedented ruling back in 2020, and I was live. And I said, they will overturn Roe v. Wade. And we prophesied that. And I said politically in another video, it'll be like an earthquake. And then Brett Baer came out and said, when it was overturned, I think in 21 or 22, I think it was 22. He said politically, this is an earthquake.

I believe those type of events keep giving us longevity as a nation and that we're going to keep moving forward if we keep taking one yard at a time. And those are the kind of things that we're going to have to see. So the Lord is turning the tide for us and we've got to be here to meet it.

Everybody needs to rise and shine right now. So, So if those kind of decisions, is it like those kind of decisions are, this is going to sound woo-woo, but I don't know how. Altering the timeline, like, kind of like, so if they, so Roe v. Wade doesn't get overturned. Do you think that, in a sense, it's shortening the timeline then? I believe it shortens a timeline where judgment.

I believe this. it says in the book of Jonah, those who regard worthless idols forsake their own mercy. So a lot of times we think that the Lord is simply just going to do what he's going to do. Now, I want to say this to everybody, God's will does not come to pass automatically. Now, what's written in Scripture will, you know, what he has said. But the Lord has chosen to limit himself to his word. He's chosen to work through us. He could break it right now.

He could do whatever he wants. But the whole world is held together by the word of his power, according to the book of Hebrews. So if God speaks something, thus I've given dominion of the earth to men, you know, I've given this earth to mankind. The Lord owns it, but he's giving us a lease here to do things. Then he's limited to what he's said. And so because of that, what we do, not what God does, what we do is going to really be the guiding path to what the Lord is able to do because of his word, what he said. So Matthew 24, somewhere around verse 20, it says something really powerful. It's predicting Jesus is prophesying the destruction of Jerusalem.

He's talking about the end times, what was going to happen. And one thing he says that's really peculiar. I've always, this sticks with me, Tony. Jesus said, these things are coming and woe to those who are nursing with babies and pregnant. All these things are going to happen. And he said, when you see the sign of Jerusalem surrounded by her enemies, don't even get down from your rooftop to go in the house, run for the hills. Philly, get out of Dodge and get out now.

Don't even turn back. And then he says something very peculiar. He says, pray, pray that this does not happen on a Sabbath day or in the wintertime. Pray that this event I'm telling you does not happen on a Sabbath day that's a very particular day or a season, the wintertime. And the Lord has been ministering to me about this. I've been looking at that. I believe when we pray, God tells us what's coming. I believe in the time we're allotted because there are hard lines.

There's going to be days. The Lord knows the day and the hour of Jesus is going to return. He knows. He knows all these things. The scripture is hard line. There is boxes and there are hard walls there. You can't just simply move those. But when there's a space and time, God has given us to do an activity.

In that time frame, I believe that when we pray, we can alter outcomes or change some of the things that are cascading towards us. with prayer and cooperating with what the Lord says. So I take that serious. Pray, these things don't happen in 2028. Pray this doesn't happen between now and when our children need to rise up and begin to preach the gospel themselves. I'm praying for my children's children.

I think you and I, even if the nefarious spirit of Antichrist took over the culture, okay, there'd be some bad things. It'd be bad. It'd be like 2020 all over again on roids, okay? It'd be terrible. But we'd survive that. I think we'd survive it for a season, be terrible. What I'm worried about and concerned about is our children's children.

I'm concerned about what happens 20 years from now, what happens 40 years from now, should Jesus not return on his own timeline. I believe that is what we're fighting for. You and I, we're old school. We are, Tony, you're so old school. I mean, people stand up in this generation. We come from a different generation. We remember what it was to not have a cell phone.

We remember what it was, no internet. We remember those days. We remember VHS tapes, right? We remember those kind of things. You had to drive with a paperbook to know where you're going, right? We remember things, and it's not even that that was so hard. It was just different. Today, everything's so in their face.

And we're built a little different because we're old school. But the next generation, they're either going to get really hardcore or they're going to be swept away by this. And it is our job, you and me, Tony, those who are watching, especially our age group, to stand as a firework. wall a barrier that says no, no. No matter what this costs me, including my life, whatever this cost me, I'm not allowing this spirit to run my children's future. And that's what we're really fighting for. Yeah. So it's really like our prayers can determine how, our prayers determine how God moves

through us. Yes. So it's what you believe determines how God moves through you. You know, you can information, but if you have a religious point of view on things, and religion is simply traditions of man that make the Word of God of no effect, I'm not referencing James, pure and undefiled religion that ministers to orphans and widows, that's amazing. I'm talking about tradition that we call God. And when we begin to have a belief system that's not accurate that builds faith in the Word of God, that's why we don't see results. And if we go down on these roads, what you believe is where you're headed. Your belief system, is everything. So if you believe God's a good God and God's going to look for your best interest and

he loves you, like I mean, one of the biggest revelation is not how much you love God. People got to hear me on this. We need to love God. We owe him our loyalty, our everything. But we don't even have the capacity to love him the way he needs. But the real revelation is a revelation of how much he loves us. If you had a child come to you and say, Dad, I love you. You're like, oh, thank you. No, I love you, Dad. It's so great. But if they say, Dad, I know you love me.

I know you love me. It has changed me the way you love me. I don't even deserve it. There's a different dynamic in that. And when we look at God the Father and we have a revelation that he loves us as much as he loves Jesus, equal to Jesus,

because Jesus died for us and he's the firstborn among many brethren. When we have that revelation, the righteousness of God in us, it will overcome everything in front of us. That's why people could lay down their lives in the stadiums back in the early church. That's why they could go be torn by lions. That's why old Polycarp would walk into an arena and say, you got fire lit?

You're going to have wild animals come tear me? Bring them on. Let's go. He knew how much God loved him because God even spoke to him audibly as he walked into the arena. Play the man, Polycarp. When we get the revelation of how much God loves us, and yes, we give them our servitude. Yes, we give them our loyalty. That revelation will strip religion of its power, and then of course we should be healed.

Of course we're supposed to do well. Of course we're supposed to advance the gospel, because I'm the one God loves. And that's how John the Revelator outlived all his other peers. He was the one the Lord loved. Think about it. John the Revelator, the prophet of the New Testament. People are like, there are no prophets in the New Testament. Well, John wrote the whole book of Revelation from a vision.

I think that's a New Testament prophet. And Tony, think of this. John the Revelator, he was with James, his brother, James and John, the two sons of thunder, Boaneges, they started out rough. They were not kind kids. They're the ones that said, Lord, the Samaritans have rejected you. Let's call fire down upon them. Let's burn them alive.

And they were actually being biblical according to the Old Testament. That's what Elijah did. If I be a man of God, may fire consume you, poof, right? But Jesus said, he turned and rebuke them, said, you don't know what's spiritual of. I didn't come to do this. I came to seek and save that which is lost. And Jesus impacted John so much. John had a, he had a, how can we say to a concept or he had a, he had a makeup because of what

Jesus said to him. Everybody knew him as the one the Lord loved. James didn't have that. None of the other disciples had that. Peter had, he had self-issues like, Jesus, man, I've failed, you have done this. John didn't have that. And John lived into his 90s, and he's the only one that died of normal death of extreme old age. Some people think he was past 100, maybe 105, maybe beyond that.

And he wrote the book of Revelation. He outlived everything. They tried to kill him in oil, boil him. He lived through that. But it's all because I'm the one the Lord loves. So sometimes we need to know it's not how much we love God, which is so crucial. We have to give them our loyalty, our love, our everything. But when you have a revelation, how much he loves you, you're simply responding to that.

And that will change your life. Wow, that's huge. I mean, we talk a lot about how much we love. love the Lord. How often do we actually talk about how much he loves us in the depths of that? It's huge. It's absolutely, it's life-changing. It's revelatory. Yeah. So as we as we bring it in here for a landing, maybe we do some action points for people that, what you just talked about, what you see coming in the future. Yeah. For people that are listening, where should they kind of land on all this stuff? Like what if they're walking through their everyday life. Yeah. How should they

maybe even present themselves before God as they walk into 27, 28, the gate and all that. Yeah. I just feel like, you know, what you shared is impactful. So how do they move forward? Can we look at your audience? Please. Okay. Hey, you're watching right now on the confessionals, and I want to just say this to you,

you're going to be okay. Let me just start there. You're going to really be okay. God's not going to leave you or forsake you. Jesus loves you. He wants you to advance. win, overcome, more than you do. Jesus is committed to your victory.

But here's the practical action points you need to do. First of all, start reading your Bible until it talks back to you. What does that mean? You read the Bible until it impacts your mind, your will, and your emotions, your decisions, your convictions, to such a point that you feel that joy of the Lord, which is your strength. The kingdom of God is righteousness, peace, and joy. And when you get a hold of this, it's going to begin to impact. you. So the most dangerous person in the world, by the way, of any spiritual person are praying

grandmothers. And if you're a praying grandmother and you're watching Tony, be praying for him. Pray for me too. You are the most dangerous, hazardous individual to the kingdom of darkness. Now, whether you're a praying grandmother or not, or maybe you're just an individual, maybe you're married, a young person, older, single, whatever you are, you can begin to engage the Spirit of God and build a relationship with Jesus. You build this relationship with him. He wants to know you more than you want to know him. He wants to take you forward more than you want it. He wants you healed in your body more than you want it. He's there. And so I would say this, you read the Bible and get filled with the Holy Spirit. And you simply ask God to fill you with

this Holy Spirit. You pray that way and then begin to search out what that means. And God will begin to minister to you in a tremendous way. So you learn to pray in the Spirit, edify yourself as the book of Jude says, read your Bible until it starts talking back to you. And I promise you, most of the the things you're dealing with will change. Why? Your circumstances may not immediately change, but you will change. And when you change by default, the things that have not changed immediately, you changing by reading the Bible and spending time with the Lord, then your circumstances will by default eventually begin to change. So you may not see change right away, but you begin to change you by the word of God and by reading his word, by praying, and your circumstances will by default be forced

to bow the knee to Jesus and the power of God working through you. And I want to say this about the future. There is evil that's trying to rise. There's nothing new under the sun. Nothing new. But greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world.

And even on a bad day, you are anointed to be the very best there is. A man or woman with a revelation from God Almighty, that's you, I'm declaring it, is not at the mercy of this culture trying to go mad. Jesus really is coming back soon. You got to keep watching, keep discerning. Don't fall prey to the,

the lies of the culture. Don't be inundated with doom scrolling and the news media. Get inundated with the book, the Word of God. Keep listening to Tony because this journey is good. And I'd encourage you, you know, share these videos with people, not only subscribe to the confessionals, but I'd encourage you to share this. Maybe some of you want to support Tony. Maybe you want to help finance what he's doing. And if that's an unction inside you, the information is right here on the video. It's at the bottom of the page, the channel. I'd encourage you. Maybe you want to don't donate to Tony. Maybe you want to help him move forward. He and his wife are going through a lot right now. Lindsay is really working through a lot and God is with her and we're watching victory after

victory. They might be subtle but God is moving this family forward and I'd encourage you to be a part of it. I'd encourage you to help my friend and Tony is my friend. He's a dear brother, somebody that's so many of us who stand together just love and adore. And I'm telling you, this man's on a journey and a trajectory that's not only going to edify you and help you in the days ahead. It's going to edify and help your children, your family, because real truth is coming and you better get ready. And so I'd encourage you, get on the ground floor of this and help my friend. And I'll tell you, it's going to be monumental. I bless you and let me remind you, you're going to be okay. All is well in the kingdom. God has you in his hand. It's going to be all right. Amen. Thank you for

that man. You're welcome, brother. So where can people find you online? I know you have the YouTube channel. Yeah. Is there, where do you want people to look into Joseph Z? What you're doing? Where do you want to point them at? Joseph Z.com. We have all our books there, all of it. I go live every single morning, every single day of the week. And 7 a.m. Colorado time, so you have to work that out in the time zones. But you go to Joseph Z. Just type me in on any social media. You find me there. And then Joseph Z.com. And I got your book here, punishing the darkness. Oh, brother. Thank you. It's the most recent one, right?

It is. And thank you for the endorsement, Tony. Yes. So great. Thank you. Man, I love this book. Do you? Yeah. And I'm not going to spend another hour talking about the book now. But it's an awesome book, and I highly encourage people to check it out. Thank you. It's good stuff. Thank you for being here.

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