The Confessionals - 889: UFO Disclosure, Fallen Angels, & Nephilim Are All Connected

Episode Date: August 18, 2026

Could the strange phenomena capturing the world’s attention be hiding a much deeper spiritual reality? Tony Merkel sits down with Jae Woodward of WoodwardTV for a fascinating conversation that challenges the conventional explanations surrounding the unexplained. Jae explains why he believes the coming “age of disclosure” could actually become an age of deception, and why some encounters may not be what they appear to be. As the conversation unfolds, Jae connects modern reports with ancient spiritual ideas and explores why deception and perception could be central to understanding the phenomenon. Tony and Jae go deep into a perspective on the unexplained that may completely change how you look at what’s happening around us.If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890📕 Pre-order Tony's Book: https://a.co/d/0bJS3SaV📰 Subscribe to Our Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/newsletterBecome a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comJae WoodwardYoutube | Instagram SPONSORSGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyIVERMECTIN: twc.health/tonyVENICE AI: https://venice.ai/theconfessionalsRUMBLE WALLET: https://rumblewallet.onelink.me/bJsX/ConfessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media6726 Morganton RdP.O. Box #08Greenback, TN 37742SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jyorkofficialOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - Age of DeceptionAvailable on Spotify

Hey, everyone, before we get to this week's show, this is just your weekly reminder to please continue to pray for my wife, Lindsay. She is battling breast cancer right now, and we're praying for complete healing in Jesus' name. Thank you. Merkel. Media. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, boning fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappeared.

When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And he starts running and firing at this giant. Well, the giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitate him. Got closer, got closer, got spruces, when he got about 15 yards away from me, I raised that 12 days and I blow this head off.

I feel something pulling at my leg, and I look over and there are two small. Literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody you're listening to The Confessionals podcast. I'm your host Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you've a crazy, wild experience, you want to share with me on the show or a topic you'd like to discuss, go ahead and shoot us an email. Our email address is Contact at the Confessionalspodcast.com.

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on October 6th. It's coming for the hot release on that date, and you can pre-order right now. It documents my journey through the supernatural from my childhood and the experiences I had into my adulthood, how this show started, and the stories, of course, that we covered on the show that helped shape and mold my understanding of how the supernatural realm operates, the logistics of it, and what it all means. I hope this book transforms people's lives and makes them have a deeper understanding of their spiritual existence. And that is going to be available on October 6th, and you can pre-order today on Amazon. Link into the description below. All right. Now, today we have Jay Woodwork coming on the show. I had him on the show years ago.

He has turned into a pretty good friend of mine, and he and I explore the disturbing connections between Fallen Angels, the Nephilim, cryptids, and the UFO phenomenon. We get into the possibility that creatures like Bigfoot, Dogman, and even the Grays may have a much deeper spiritual origin and why the physical encounters people report could be only one piece of what's actually happening. And as UFO disclosure continues to unfold, we ask the bigger question, are we entering an age of disclosure or are we being prepared for an age of deception? Let's get to this awesome conversation with Jay right now. Today we got Jay Woodward in studio. How you doing, man?

I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. I've got to ask you this for... Right off the top. Is this the first time you've appeared on camera for somebody else's show? It is. I was thinking about that because your channel, Woodward TV, and you have a highly successful channel, and your channel doesn't involve you being on camera at all. And I was like, I wonder if he's ever been, because I know we interviewed, I interviewed you years ago.

I forget when the date was. We looked at it up earlier, but I know the episode was 137. So you were on the show a long time ago, but even back then, I didn't do video. So I was thinking, like, has he ever been on video before? So is this like your, this is your debut to the world? Well, even back then, not being on camera was still pretty new because YouTube was still, people were still kind of experimenting with what they were trying to do on YouTube. Yeah. And I was actually inspired to do it that way.

It clicked one day because I was listening to. a show that was called the WTF files. And it wasn't a very long show, but there was someone speaking, actually, he's known as Mike from around the world. Yeah. If you've heard of that. Yeah.

And I heard him speak, and that voice was just, you know, it was, I couldn't stop listening to it. And he started out with an intro. And as he was speaking, this music starts, I think it was Sweet Dreams. And that music started playing with his voice overlapping. And it's something just clicking and it inspired me.

And I was just like, you know, I'm going to set up a show with that type of intro where I do, where I speak a short intro. It goes right into music and Woodward TV was born. That's wild. That's wild. So you've been, you're like an OG in the space. We started right around the same time. You started about six months before me. And I remember when I started the show, I was a truck driver. And whenever your video would drop, man, like I'm hit and play. And, that's what you just described was like this it's perfectly done

um the way you start out the way you you speak so calmly and you just draw people in with the intro and then that music it's it's awesome like the music the music hits perfect it's the perfect spot it's like you're gearing up to have an experience and uh and your videos they're they're they're not like interviews they're you doing like monologue teachings and on all this kind of crazy stuff.

And it's just awesome stuff. People can definitely check it out, Woodward TV on YouTube. Now, where did that start for you? As far as like these topics and everything, did you always have a fascination with these things? Or was there something that triggered your brain? You're just like, holy cow, because I was actually watching one of your videos recently

and you were talking about something with like the rules that are involved with like cryptid encounters and stuff. And I got the sense in that video that it's like it's not about the encounter itself, but rather what it does to the person and that experiences it. And so like I'm not saying you had a cryptic encounter. Maybe you did. I don't know. But like what was the genesis of this interest that you go? Because your channel goes into UFOs, cryptids.

Fallen Angel technology, disclosure, you name it, you cover it. So like, where did that all start for you? It's a good question. I would say back in 2008, and I was listening to a radio show, very famous guy. and he had founded a club, a success club, and I joined. And within that club, there were a lot of affluent, wealthy, successful individuals. And a lot of them had a lot of esoteric knowledge. And so what I learned was how to look for that knowledge within everything that I was researching.

And that's always been my approach with YouTube and my channel was to go beyond what everyone else was saying and go a step deeper. I was always looking for that one little nugget of gold that I could relate to the audience. and so that they would leave wanting more. And I developed that over a series of years, and up until 2016, when I started the channel, I was ready. I was ready to go. I had already acquired a lot of knowledge about these things.

And I wanted to just go all out and tell everybody everything that I knew. And that's what I've been doing ever since. So this club that you joined this group, is it like a secret society? Well, there are a few members that claim to be. Really? Yeah. And which was all good for me.

Yeah. You know, I was like, okay, I want to know what you know. Was this like a virtual meeting or was this like in person meeting? These were actually group meetings. It was kind of like, think of it like a Tony Robbins type deal, where he would have people come in, and he would have an audience in guest speakers. He would speak a lot of the time,

but that's what they did. And they would have meetings all around the world. They would have retreats, vacation retreats, you know, to different places, different resorts. and things like that. And every once in a while, you got an opportunity to get in on a seminar workshop with, you know,

someone who was a well-known doctor or spiritualist. There's a lot of information that seemed to come from a secret society level. And so that information is what I, I kept in my head. Mm-hmm. And I would just go a step further and just look deeper into it.

Was that, was that, like, paradigm shifting for you at first when you start receiving this information with this people? Yeah. Yeah. It was very eye-opening. Yeah. And from the books and the audios that I was given to research, it changed me. it changed my view on the world and what was actually going on behind the scenes.

And I thought, you know, if the powers that be are doing these things, what else is going on, you know, in the spiritual realm? That didn't really come until later. And that came from more pressure from my audience to look into certain things. And that's how I got into the evolution into a more spiritually grounded channel versus what I could explain physically because a lot of things had to do with better health. I feel like I remember that too. I feel like it used to do a lot of videos on health and what's in our food and things like that, right? Right, yeah. That was my specialty in the beginning.

Yeah. And then I would dive further into some of these other topics that was interested in, but taking the same approach. So I kind of knew where to look for the right information because it was always about who had the right information, not necessarily where. And that's something that I've always tried to do, was try to figure out who is credible,

who would have the accurate, the most accurate information instead of trying to find some type of official source. And that's always been my approach to take the esoteric view, right? So you go from the more physical approach to spiritual and what's going on in the spiritual realm. where does that kind of take you with some of these topics today then because I mean for me um I think a lot of things that we're dealing with today are deeply spiritual uh the UFO

uap stuff um and I think sometimes people have a hard time grappling with this idea that there are physical aspects to something that could be spiritual uh where are you at when in comes to like UFOs, UAPs, disclosure, gray entities, you know, like what do you think about it all? That was a little question, by the way. Yeah, it's a great question. It all falls back to the spiritual.

If you notice, whenever we start these topics, it's always physical in the beginning. And then later on in the conversation, it always goes back to something spiritual. usually something demonic when it comes to these type of entities. And so what I found out was that there is a percentage, you can follow your gut. And I usually ask for spiritual guidance when I'm looking into these topics.

And that's when a lot of these things just pop into my head. And they just come to me. I wouldn't say the answers, but the route to take and looking for the answers is what comes to me, if I find the answer or not. Because even if I do, I don't know if it's true or not. But I just have to trust my gut, if to trust God in that. And what I realize is that a lot of this stuff is spiritual. It's something that people see and hear. In some cases, touch, but that can all be manipulated spiritually.

And these spirits have been around for a very long time, very ancient, and they can manipulate our perception. So we don't actually know what percentage of what we are encountering is spiritual and what is actually physically real. Because if we think about God and His creations, we don't know what exists outside of Earth in this grounded realm. We have a redemption arc where Christ comes to save us. But we don't know if that's the same case for any of these other beings that may exist outside of this planet in some other galaxy somewhere far away where they could have their own experiences.

Even Christ does hint at having rulership over other beings other than humans. there's there's just hints he doesn't directly say that but it does make you question okay you know alien beings doesn't the existence of alien beings doesn't really negate god it actually confirms it because they would also be his creation they would just have a different story they would have different tax and different history than we do. We have a different history because of Adam. Otherwise, we would, everything would be completely different now. And in Christ's role in all of this would have been different.

But that was known right from the beginning. That was known right from when Adam and he fell that that decision was already made and he told Satan or one of his counterparts that you know Christ would be born to you know bruise on the head the snake you know that that was in reference to Christ being born in the flesh later on and ever since Satan has been after that bloodline until Christ came, then they could no longer stop it. So their approach is now just to pretty much destroy us as much as they can. Try to get us over to their side any way they can.

And they've been working, whatever these entities are, they've been working together with the more powerful elites the lower percentage, I would say, probably the 1%. And, you know, they have a 50-year plan. And they don't have just one plan. It's multiple tracks they can go down. And whichever track they go down, that's their strategy. And just like with what's going on with Iran right now,

I did mention in one of my recent, presentations that, you know, this was all planned years ago in an order that they planned it. Yeah. Starting with Iraq, ending with Iran, and everything in between. And it has gone just as they planned it. And after that would be this age of disclosure that we're in right now, where certain things are coming out, but we still don't know the truth. We may never know.

They may never actually tell us what they know. But the way I see it, a lot of that stuff really doesn't have anything to do with our salvation. What we know is enough from what Christ has told us. And I think just living by the gospel and living by His Word is is what we need to focus on really. A lot of this stuff is kind of

beyond us to understand anyway. There's some things that we just won't learn about until later. I agree. I think sometimes we get lost in the nuances of everything and we get so consumed with the idea of trying to find the next piece of secret knowledge

and we lose the foundation of what we should focusing on. And I've seen it, and I'm sure you've seen it a ton in these communities where it's just like, it's almost like a drug where you just need the next hit. And at some point, like whatever you're doing isn't enough and you need to kind of like level up to the next thing. And it's just like it's, it's its own form of drug. It really is. You were talking about the, these different bloodlines and the elites operating with these entities.

And you mentioned about this 50-year plan. What's the 50-year plan that you're referencing? Is that something that started like almost 50 years ago now or seeing everything come into fruition? Yeah. Actually, I believe it started around World War II. Okay. It could have been earlier, maybe even going back into the 1920s.

And if you notice, right around that time, you know, 47 you had the Rosrill incident. And ever since then, we've had this narrative building. A lot of things that were built in the field. 50s because we were at the height of the industrial revolution that then you know in the 50s and so this is where CERN comes in uh NASA a lot of these things were founded around that time period and it all comes back to this thing that supposedly is approaching us whether that's Nibiru Planet X, a binary star. Three-eye Atlas.

Three-eye Atlas. I mean, that is something, that has something to do with it, I believe. But it's not, it's, it's just a sign, right? And what I believe this is is something on approach. We can't see it, but it's there. we have all the scientific evidence to suggest it

but no one's going to come out and draw any conclusions and tell us well we have we are part of a binary system which most star systems are binary we would be

rare exception and if that's the case then everything we are experiencing scene would align with this worst case scenario, which is a mini constellation. So that would be a mini solar system just like ours, but smaller with its own revolving bodies, orbiting bodies. And once that comes into, once it starts to overlap our own solar system, that's

that's when we would see these strange things occur in all the correct timing. And looking back in history, you can see certain points in history where it kind of lines up, where you would have certain major events. Sometimes they're less severe than others. You would have a time, the Great Flood would be one time, where it's very certain major events. severe. The time of Christ would be another time, which would be less severe. But things were still happening. There would be another time during the 10 plagues in Egypt, where the things that were happening in Egypt weren't just happening in Egypt. They were happening around the globe.

And so if you look at these points, we're in an age where it should be happening again. And we can kind of see the strange events unfolding, the strange weather, the earthquakes, the time where people are, you know, kind of losing their minds, you know, the wars that are going on, everything kind of lines up. And I think that's ultimately what we may be dealing with on. bigger level, something that is way outside of our control. Because the way I see it, if God were to set things in motion, he would do it outside of Earth. And everything would fall back onto our planet. So we would have absolutely no control of what happens outside of our planet.

But he would. And so all these things would be set in motion a long time ago. So that, they would line up perfectly to a revelation time period. So according to what you just said about there's this God aspect of it. And then there, what you mentioned earlier about, the human agents working with these entities. Is that where this like friction is coming in your mind where the, there are like elites working with these entities trying to prevent what's coming? Or is that even possible in their mind, do you think? Well, they believe deeply in scripture as well.

So they're not, you know, opposed to what's written. But it doesn't really matter what they believe because they have to work with these entities. Who? The elites. The elites. If you get involved with these type of beings, you're locked in generationally. and a lot of them can't risk losing their entire families because they go against these beings, which would be fallen angels, demonic spirits.

I'm not really sure how the biological alien being fits into it, or if it even does, but these spirits lied to them as well. So even if they're doing their bidding, they're lied to, but it doesn't really matter because they have to do it. And this is why, you know, as Christians, it's important to whatever we see,

them present to us is founded in deception. That's all these beings ever do, because that's pretty much all the power they have, influence. And so every chance they get, they're going to try and deceive us with what we see, what we encounter. And so for them, you know, they don't really have a choice once they get involved. And sometimes it's like a generational thing where they're born into it. And very few make it out. They've tried and they wind up missing or end up dead. So the these entities that are you identified as like demonic fallen angel that these people are working with. I can see how they're

locked, I can see how they feel like they're locked in into that whole thing. But you just mentioned about like i guess aliens do you do you think do you distinguish there's a difference between fallen angels uh entities that work with fallen angels like because i think that there's probably a hierarchy that we don't even understand so there's the fallen angels we know that we know that we know that there's demonic entities dead spirits of nephlam uh coming from enoch um but then like you have psalm 82 where there's this idea of the hierarchy of these level lowercase G gods, you know. So the, the supernatural realm, the realm of darkness,

I don't want to say the spiritual realm is darkness, but like there's a kingdom, there's a kingdom of darkness, and there's hierarchy to that, right? When it comes to the gray stuff, there's a lot of signs that point to that being pretty demonic in how they operate. Do you think that they're, they're distinguished separate beings that work alongside of these other entities or do they come

from the same place how how do you distinguish between gray's i'll just say gray's generally you know and this other stuff okay let's take a second talk about our sponsor today which is field of greens most people don't look forward to their annual physical because they're nervous what the doctor might find that's why what you do before the appointment matters so before next checkup make the one health change, your doctor should notice, or your money back. Make it field of greens. Doctors today look beyond your calendar age. They look at biological age, how healthier cells are and vital organs are.

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promo code Tony. Okay, that's a good question. So we really don't know what they are truly. I suspect that because we've even been involved with genetic manipulation and creating these chimeric beings, I also think we've been involved with creating bodies for these demonic spirits to possess and enter into. And so I think with the grays, at least what people have been experiencing, are possessed vessels. And this is why you'll see certain patterns across the board with almost all of these cryptid beings. There's always starting with the feeling.

There's always a similar feeling around them. There's always a disturbance. There's always a liminal space. a distinct smell, like a sour burning type of smell. And you don't pay too much attention to it when you're around people, but some people have this smell. They're actually pretty attractive people, which would be surprising. Now, this could have something to do with them walking among us,

which I believe. But you would have to, you have to be very, aware of your surroundings to notice before they notice you and these spirits you know they don't really change the way they do things so they don't really come up with new strategies and so i do believe there is a hierarchy that we don't quite understand but i do know that you know with fallen angels, they are, they're not necessarily like their children because the fallen angels are eternal. They're designed to be eternal. Their children were not. And you have to ask the question when it comes to why they decided to do that. To do what? To mate with human women,

to come down, in particular the watchers. right and so when you actually look for the deeper meaning behind that you find out well they just wanted it wasn't really over lust or that they wanted wives they wanted children they wanted family something that they couldn't have and you see that even with uh the animals that they defile as well they just wanted family because that was their plea to eat Enoch, when they sent Enoch to plea for them, that is what they were asking them to do. They weren't asking to save themselves, really. They were asking to save their children.

And that was their punishment to actually have to sit there and watch their children die. And so, you know, but they have a structured hierarchy. Even though they rebel, they still have to follow rules. an oath is one of them they took an oath and to us an oath is you know just kind of like a verbal contract for them it's a spirit oath is this actual spiritual think of it as a spiritual being so when you make a oath as a fallen angel or one of these beings you're locked in so it actually has to come. Once you say it, you actually have to do it. You can't back out. There's no change in your mind or anything like that. They knew the consequences of what it was going to occur.

But I guess, you know, they could have thought, because they're not really, they don't know everything as God knows everything. So they could have thought, well, you know, maybe later on we could ask for forgiveness. And, you know, I don't know if you've ever seen that movie. Noah, it just reminds me of that movie Noah. Yeah. We're at the end, the fallen angels. You know, they ask for forgiveness and they shoot up into the heavens and they're forgiven. I'm like, no, that's not the case.

Yeah. That movie, that came out a while ago. Was that Gerard Butler in that movie? Russell Crow. Russell Crow. That's who it was. Yeah. I remember, I haven't thought about that movie in so long and you bringing it up.

I remember so many people were saying things like, you know, it's so biblically inaccurate. but now looking back on it. Yeah. They probably did pull some stuff from extra canonical books that Christians were looking at like, that's not in the Bible. It's like, yeah, but you're not looking at other books that are outside the Bible. That's really interesting. So the idea of these entities and, man, you covered so much stuff there.

going back to the vessels, the possessed vessels. That's really interesting. And it's something that I have explored on the show a lot. And I think that that will call it a theory because I don't think any of us actually know. But I land in the same spot as you on that

where I look at these things and I'm like that they're almost like biological robotic material in a sense. that's able to be possessed. But that topic alone opens the door in my mind as to how something can be spiritual and physical. And it's like, where is it being made? Well, it's not been, it probably, maybe it is at times, but it's probably being made in another realm somewhere else and being brought here. it kind of just that ideal alone if you expound on that it really presents a a very intricate

detailed visual operation of what's happening on the other side you know and so you're talking about like fallen angels and humans working with each other and the oaths that they took i mean what you said about the oaths like when we like you and i have a verbal agreement to today to do a recording. If you said, hey, man, I'm not coming, there's nothing I can do about that. You just don't come. What you're saying is the oath that humans are taking with fallen angel, fallen beings, it's more than that. You're saying it's like their handcuffed. They can't get out of that. That's what you're saying? Yeah, because they follow a different structured system where they're locked in.

There's no changing your mind or something coming up. For them, it's just completely different. Do you think on that, do you think that there is a way to get out if they were to pursue redemption through Christ?

Do you think that there could be an unlocking for their bloodline if they wanted to, but they'd have to actually literally switch allegiances to something they probably don't even know? Yeah, I think they would be taking their life by doing that. But I do believe, yeah. Interesting.

I do believe, you know, when Christ came, he did save all of us. And everyone had the opportunity. Going against those entities, however, you're probably going to pay the price with your life in that effect. And so you can see the difficult decision that would have to be made in doing so. and the risk of your children losing their lives as well because they're definitely going to fall down the line. And yeah, with the fallen angels, you know, like I said, they have to follow rules

because that's just the way they're designed to behave. And so, you know, with human beings, they understand how we operate. And they understand our bond with Christ and why he came. And so, like again, I said before that they will lie. And so it doesn't necessarily mean it's a death sentence, but it likely is for those certain individuals. But they know who to attach themselves to. They're not going to attach themselves to

or do business with someone who's good in the heart, right? They're going to, they're not going to go after Christians. They're going to go after those who are, have a different perspective, a different view. If you think of it this way, you know, when you think about secret societies, right, I would say the majority of those people are just elitist, which means they just believe that they're better than everyone else.

But they're not necessarily evil people. Some of them are actually pretty good people. If you meet them and the things that they do, they're pretty normal. They're just elitist, you know. There is probably 1% who are actually evil, And those are the people who participate in dark rituals and human sacrifice and all the dark stuff. And they're higher up in the hierarchy. And that's for a reason because it all trickles down.

But even the people who make up the majority aren't aware of exactly who those people are what they do. until initiation into those until that higher level and so this is why a lot of people who are in secret societies have no problem telling you that they are and they actually look at it as a good thing to many of them and you know they might be very well-meaning

good people some of them are Christian and yeah, they're just not aware of the dark stuff until later on, until they get a lot older. And that's typically when they want to climb out of those groups. And some of them, not many of them do get to leave, but some of them do. And when you say secret societies, are you referring to like the not-so secret society of like Freemason? or, like, skull and bones is one of the pops in my head right now, where it's like, we know what that is, but we really don't know what it is. It's kind of weird.

But the amount of people who have been from our peon level of existence in society, like you have presidents and politicians who have been part of the skull and bones, what you're saying is even within those organizations, there's an elite structure where there's somebody there are people who are high up in those organizations that are actually the ones that know what's actually going on they're the ones doing the dark rituals and stuff like that right if you try to think of it like a country club where you might play golf or something like that when you join a country club you know the the reason is not to play golf or hang out

at the country club or do any of that stuff. The reason you join is so that you could have access to other wealthy, affluent people. And that's why many of them aren't in just one secret society and they're in several. So they might be in the trilateral commission. Also, they may be in skull and bones or in the brotherhood or any of these other secret societies, Freemasons, or what have you. And this is, you know, this is one of the things that isn't too well known, but that's very much how it operates, almost like a country club. It's kind of like a success club and where they can share knowledge with each other exclusively at a price.

And usually the price is financial for most people. people and then later on it becomes more spiritual. That's interesting. So I've never heard anybody describe it as like a country club, but it makes a lot of sense. That really, that really does make a lot of sense. With everything that's going on in the world, we got the UAP disclosure stuff and all the details that are coming out about that and the non-human intelligence, NHI, how is that possible, all this stuff.

And you mentioned about deception earlier. You were talking about Iran. Do you think that what we're seeing play out on the world stage to particularly our government when it comes to, you know, they just registered the domain alien.gov, right? Is this all playing into a great deception that is being orchestrated by fallen angels working with human agents for an ultimate end game? That's a good question. And I do think so. I think what's happening is going to be, so it's the age of disclosure,

but it's actually the age of deception. And so even if biological aliens exist, even if there is a section of them that are real, you know, flesh and blood creatures like we are, it's going to be within these demonic entities and fallen angels best interest to deceive us any way they can about that. And so what they might present to us is actually them in disguise, masquerading as these biological entities, that we may never even know what they actually may be. You know, we have hundreds of different types of species talked about when it comes to alien beings,

but we don't know which one of these species is actually a real biological flesh and blood creature and which ones are just vessels masquerading as real aliens. We don't know that these, you know, UFOs flying around are from outer space or they're from here because they can be made here. We have all the materials in Earth. I talked about this recently in a presentation where there are divine metals like gold. Gold will be considered a divine metal where there's all throughout history, we see it high up on the level of being sacred metals, stones, things of that nature.

And so we could hypothesize that these craft are coming from somewhere else, because that would be normal assumption. And you wouldn't be wrong. Also, there's the possibility that they could be crafted here and made to appear like they're coming from somewhere else. It's easy to make something seem like a portal opening when it's just light show. Because we don't know what's on the other side.

We don't know what would actually exist beyond that. If you think about the movie Stargate where people are passing through this portal, you know, that would be our imaginative, Hollywood representation of what we think, you know, going into another dimension or different time would be. It may very well be that. But that could also be part of the deception, you know. I was just thinking that. They have all their, they have everything covered. They've been around for a very long time and they can deceive any one of us about anything. Whatever they

tell us whatever they tell the elites could all be just lies we don't know until that's all revealed to us by a higher source and um you know some things we were we weren't just meant to uh we weren't meant to know right away we were we were created in a more pure form like like babies like children at that time and unfortunately things got corrupted early on. And so we never obtained that knowledge in the correct way as it was intended. And, you know, it took Christ coming down to save us because we were just children. We didn't know. We don't know.

We don't know. We still are asking the same questions we've been asking for thousands of years. years, you know, what are these things? What are these lights, these orbs, these creatures? And we still don't, we still don't have solid answers. And I think a big part of that reason is because of these entities trying to deceive us any way they can, any chance they get. The idea that even if these gray alien beings were real, the idea of the deception being trying to muddy the waters and portray themselves as something that they're actually not, that's really interesting. Do you think that that could be played out in other areas as well, particularly all these giant cases that pop up on the scene, especially in the Midwest or Midwest? Well, sometimes maybe in the States, you know, because I've heard stories about Utah and different locations.

But, you know, the famous Candahard giant and things like that. But do you think that these giants that people say that they've discovered or, you know, these legendary stories, you think that there's merit to it that they're one real, but also possibly descendants of Nephilim from ancient times? Yeah, I personally believe that they're left over Nufflin. And you can see through ancient Mesopotamian culture, East Asian culture, ancient Indian culture, North American, ancient North American culture. They all talk about a wild man, hairy creatures in the forest. they've always been there, very ancient creature.

And what people don't know is that these aren't just encounters, this is an actual problem that's been going on. Some talk about the ETA programs, you know, which would be, which would be the extra terrestrial

transit authority. That would be a more fringe type of conspiracy lore. There is an actual ETA,

which is a transit authority, but then you have also this other thing going on. And what would happen

people were reporting, seeing, you know, multi-foot beings in the woods, hairy. walking around maybe with tools doing things

and a lot of these people are you know just average everyday people and when something would happen they would call the police the police would come to investigate but then here come the black SUV trucks

and you know the agents and they would take bodies and the things, a lot of these people that would call would be tractor-trailer drivers because, you know, as a truck driver, sometimes you just hit things.

And in some cases, they would hit these creatures. They don't know what it is. I'm sure they could suspect what it is, but here will come these men in black, I guess you could call them. Not the actual men in black, you know, when we were talking about it. But, you know, government agents would come in, quarantine the area, and take these bodies off, and then you would never see them again.

And this is, you know, there are multiple cases where people have reported these things and you don't hear much about it. And so, yeah, I think they're just left over because there is. a strong spiritual aspect to these creatures. And, you know, when we're talking about Bigfoot, Dogman, whatever you want to call them, you know, they're, there's very similar. Maybe not in how we perceive them. But the encounters are, if you, if you didn't know anything about Bigfoot or Dogman at all, you could draw cleaner logical conclusions to what this is.

And because Nephlem beings or the descendants of them have those traits as well, being spiritual, and the fact that you can't just kill them, you know, there's also, there's also a small percentage of people who are put in charge of housing specimens, both dead and alive. And it's very similar to how people in secret societies, well, some of them, they don't keep the most precious and sacred ancient relics and artifacts in museums. They keep them in their homes and their mansions and things like that and you would have to have exclusive private permission you have to know these people you know to see these things and so yeah i i just think that they're just left over remnants of the nephalum and so dead bodies or the remains after an accident or whatever

What are your thoughts on where that stuff goes? I mean, I don't think it's this, maybe it's the Smithsonian, but everybody wants to say the Smithsonian. But these guys that are showing up in these black SUVs, you know, talk about like hierarchies and structures, everything. I mean, I have a hard time compartmentalizing how deep everybody individually is aware of what's going on around them when they're doing these operations. I mean, obviously, like, if there was a crew of soldiers that were sent out somewhere to take down a creature because it's been coming nuisance or whatever, sure, they know where they're shooting at.

But, I mean, to me, it feels like the only way that this could be so secretive from the mass public is that those carrying out those operations are very secluded. Like, you have a specific job. That's all you know. this all you need to know. But like the guys that are coming to do the cleanup job, like, have you ever wondered where they actually take those, take that stuff? I mean, you just mentioned about like something about like private, almost like a private display or something. But like, do you think that they're just disposing the bodies and burning them or do you think that they're putting them up in some kind of underground warehouse or?

I honestly couldn't tell you. From the best, sources, what they have said is that a lot of these things are taken underground, just out of sight. They don't know where they go. And only sometimes the people that transport them don't know what they're transporting. And so once it leaves their hands and goes into transition to somewhere, some facility, they may not even know where it goes. They may hire some random truck driver. Here's a few crates. You're not allowed to go in them.

You're not allowed to look at them or anything like that. The driver doesn't care, but they're being tracked as well. So the driver may not know. They may know the destination, but not exactly where. And, you know, they have a lot of different protocols and things. that they can follow to make sure that everyone is compartmentalized appropriately so that information isn't leaked and because you've have so many ex-military come out with their versions of different stories that are just you know crazy and um what's similar in a lot of those

stories is that they're never told what exactly what what's going on. But they're there. They can see it. They can see, you know, that this is some type of non-human entity laying on a table that they're instructed to, you know, work on. They can't ask what it is, but they kind of know it's obvious. Yeah. Right. So there's no need to talk about it. Just do your job. This is what we trained you to do. And being military, you know, you know, you know, how about following orders? So if you're military, you're just going to follow orders. The questions ask.

Later on, of course, you know, they come out with it. But by that time, it sounds so weird and so crazy and so out there that it's, you know, it's hard to put together when you hear so many other stories. And they're very different. Each story. So when you hear. hear an ex-military personal story about an experience they had underground working with alien beings or working with certain craft, the story is significantly different

than the next person's story. It's like a whole different operation when I. It's like, okay, so you couldn't have been working with this person over here who had the same type of story. your stories are different the patterns are the same but just a different

slightly different version and so it's never exactly the same story over and over and over again they have different versions that's why it's so hard to keep up with all these different encounters and so yeah

it's a strange thing but I have no idea where they would take these specimens alive or dead I would think the best place is to secured area, restricted area, probably.

And what they do from there, like I said, there's a lot of, well, there's not a lot. There's only probably a very small percentage of people who are sanctioned to hold these entities because like we were talking about before, there's a strong spiritual side to them. So I can't kill a Bigfoot and then just bring him to your house, hey, hold on to this for me.

Because that's going to put you in a lot of danger because you're just not spiritually prepared. Everything's not set up for that because there's a side to it that has to be considered, especially with the UFOs. So the same thing. there's a spiritual implications with these craft so you can't just house you can't just collect a crashed UFO without taking that in consideration so you can't hold it in just any facility there has to be some things in place to deal with the spiritual side of that so you're going to have a lot of entities that are surrounding that craft as well,

as well as when people see, you know, Bigfoot in the woods, you know, if you just see one, it doesn't mean it's alone. That's just what you saw, without taking into consideration that there's other invisible entities that are probably surrounding it. And that is going to be their eyes and ears

for your presence. And that's why it's going to see you before you even get anywhere close to it. And so what it allows you to see, that's just what it's allowing you to see at that moment. That's kind of like a distraction. And it's actually a very good strategy because you would never see any of the other entities

that are invisible. You'll see that and you'll be focused on that. and I think many people get caught up into the physical aspect of it and I know that they're aware that there is a spiritual side to it that you know they just don't know what to do with they don't know how to deal with it you mean the people that are looking into the topics right right or people who even have encounters you know so all right the people that are having encounters are you saying that like the aftermath

they were aware there was something spiritual too? Yeah, I think so. I think they're aware that there's always this feeling. Even with demonic spirits, there's kind of that same feeling. Yeah.

You were talking about the truckers and it just reminded me, I talked to a guy, a couple of guys actually. But this one guy, he actually went to an underground base called Raven Rock in Pennsylvania. And he was a trucker and he had, it was part of his route. Like this is what he did. He would go there, pick up stuff and you don't know and what you're picking up.

And I think he even said that he would spend his whole day there in like a, I don't know, like a cafeteria or some kind of waiting room where it's just drinking coffee, waiting. And then you leave. and you don't know what's on your truck and you just go and you just do your job. It's that level of compartmentalization. These creatures, there's this level of,

I feel like it doesn't get explored enough, the connection between, and that's the thing, like there's a lot of connections between a lot of this stuff, and it's hard to put your finger on everything. But there's this level of connection with the underground with these creatures, but also the underground with these creatures and human agents.

These things being spiritual, could they be coming here from another place, maybe through, lack of better terms, portals underground? And that's like, sure that's a question, I suppose, but also when it comes to the human agent side of things, I get the sense that I feel like there's this there's the the very real tangible aspect of let's just you mentioned bigfoot a lot so we'll just

keep it on big foot um we got bigfoot and there's a spiritual aspect of bigfoot and i think that what you were talking about earlier the the elites that are working with these these entities like fallen angels i feel like there there there's a level of reverse engineering happening along the lines of these creatures themselves. And I have reasons to behind that, but what do you think about that aspect of humans,

maybe alchemy, it's like a mixture of dark magic with science to create these beings that do exist, but what they're creating isn't an actual pure being as much as of a created

homunculus of kinds. Right. So, Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that because when, so you've heard this a thousand times. When the Nephlam died, their spirits become disembodied. And so they constantly roam around looking to possess someone or something. And if you're able to create a vessel or an empty, shell, a body, that you can allow this demonic spirit, not fallen angel, but demonic spirit

to possess and take over. You can create anything. You can create insectoid beings with armor plating to use as soldiers. You can create hairy creatures. that can roam the forest and blend in with nature. You can create alien-type beings that some resemble us, some resemble something exotic from far away. You can pretty much do what you, you can experiment with it. And the demonic spirit chooses whether to possess it or not.

Being disembodied, they have this insatiable hunger because they can't really feed themselves physically. So they also don't experience any pain. And so when something like that enters a vessel, it doesn't really care what happens to it, right? Things that can bend its joints, crack. You know, it doesn't really care. doesn't feel any pain so you see you see uh something like a wolf stand up straight and walk up

right it's manipulating it doesn't it's not going to feel the pain from doing such a thing really interesting so and and this is why people have reported hearing joints crack and legs you know contorting bodies contorting and things like that because it's an entity doesn't feel pain so it's not going to care what it does to the vessel. It can always possess something else once it's used up. That's really interesting.

The idea, so as you just described, I mean, you would also hear and see that in maybe like horror movies or even like some of these exorcists that, I don't know how Sean Ryan

gets some of these good exorcists. I would like to talk to some of these guys, but, you know, they'll talk about like extreme, possession cases where, you know, bones cracking and things like that. It's interesting because I never really considered the fact that the possessing spirit not caring about the body it's possessing because it doesn't feel what that body feels. And, you know, when you said about

the idea of like a dog man or a wolf standing up on its hind legs, it takes me to the classic story for my show. I had a guy on after you episode 335, I think it was. Dog versus Dog, man. I know the worst shows for me to Tyler are the ones that are the best stories because I'm like, I don't know what to focus in on

this story to, but basically he was a hunter, 15 years old, and his his, they were coon hunting in Kentucky. His grandfather was in the truck by himself on a radio with him because his grandfather's too old to go out there. And so the dogs got on ascent. They treated a raccoon as two dogs.

And they could hear coyotes coming in. And so, you know, long story short, a fight unfolded. One of the dogs that was a younger dog being trained by the other dog ran away. and then as the fight consisted, he heard the dog come back and joined the fight and fight ends

and he arrives on scene and his older dog goes back to barking at the raccoon in the tree. And so he pats him on the head and goes around the tree to he hears his dog on the other side. He wants to congratulate

his young dog for doing good job and he goes around the tree and what he's He looks, what he's looking at is not his dog. The dog that he thought came back was not his dog. And he said it was the biggest dog he's ever seen in his life. And he said it was so big that it was holding a coyote by the rib cage in its mouth. Like it was just like standing there holding it.

And so he, as he's trying to understand what he's looking at as far as whose dog this is, because it's just massive. He said it stands up on its hind legs. And I don't remember if I ever, I don't remember if he ever described if he heard bone cracking or whatever. But I don't often consider that story as a possession story until just now. But it does make you wonder if that was even a natural dog. It could have been something that was created to house these entities. and the fact that it stood up like that

was because these entities can do whatever they want to the physical body that they're possessing. Right. That's wild stuff. Yeah. When you really think about it, it makes you think about, okay, how many other animals

also are possessed beings and not real animals, you know? The dog story comes up a lot. Canines, large cats. Yeah, and it's, you know, the patterns are there.

Yeah. So it does make you think, you know, okay, what else, what other possibilities are there when it comes to these encounters and these cryptid beings? I'm fairly certain that I had a possessed dog once when I was a kid growing up. And I never considered it. And I can't remember what guest I had in here talking. I think it might have been actually that fathered dog. our team from Canada that was telling you about.

But yeah, it was them. And they were talking about a possessed dog. And they were describing the situation. And it just hit me. I was like, when I was a kid growing up, I had a dog called him Tucker. And he was just crazy. Like, he was just crazy. I mean, the dog would eat glass bowls and full bottles of aspirin.

And, like, indestructible. always said this dog was indestructible. He just doesn't die. He would jump through doors at neighborhood kids. He was a very violent dog, jumped through windows. We had a duct tape our, we lived in a trailer park. So, like, the storm door had a duct tape that shot because the dog jumped through it all a time.

And just really insane dog. They say dogs shouldn't eat chocolate. He would eat, we'd come home and eat everything now. So he just eat everything, would everything, would everything, just ate it. And never died. and he got just it got so bad that like we had to put him down because you know he just i mean he bite anything that was not part of that house and so kids in the neighborhood were not safe with this dog and um the night before we put him down was the first time i ever experienced him

acting like a dog he was so violent so crazy he wouldn't let him you touch them. You wouldn't let you cuddle them. You wouldn't let you pet them. Just not a pet. The night before we put him down, though, I'm laying on the floor and he came over right next to me and was letting me cuddle him and things like that. I was like, I was a kid when this happened. And I was just like, where was this all these years, you know? And I never considered it until that father-daughter team was here that he could have been possessed. And that entity that was possessing him knew this body was no longer be viable tomorrow, so I'm out and it went somewhere else. And it does make you wonder how many times people have that kind of situation right around

and they just don't even consider it. Well, it would be consistent with the ancient stories because if they made it with human women, if the watchers made it with human women to give birth to Nephlem hybrids, right? So part angel, part human. when they defiled animals they would also be hybrid part angel part animal and so anything like that would also be disembodied because that also wouldn't belong to either heaven or earth and so you would you would technically have demonic animal spirits wow if you want to be consistent with the narrative right and so they wouldn't go around trying to possess people but animals which could be you know one explanation yeah for something like that

but you know they they do those those entities they do know love right the fallen angels do know what love is and they you know they had love for their children um they were just corrupted and so a lot of these entity a lot of these demonic spirits have love for um objects mostly because it reminds them of they have the sentimental value this is why they'll attach themselves to places certain objects because they have sentimental value reminds them of the days when they were living. And so, you know, it's a strange thing. And it's a strange question to ask, you know, what, but, you know, they didn't, they're not, they didn't belong here. They weren't supposed to exist in the first place. And I don't think they will. I don't think they're going to give, they're not

going to give, be given the same opportunity as we are as we were meant to be. They weren't. Yeah. do you think that there's been, you know, reports of, you know, people having these encounters. And, I mean, I've had plenty of talks with people where they experience a crypted, something that's just absolutely terrifying. And logic says it could have killed them, but yet it didn't. Do you think that there's like some, because this is, along this conversation we're having, we'll just assume that everybody in the world agrees with us, that, that, is these things have a spiritual nature,

is there rules of operation for these things that they have to abide by? And that's why we hear these stories of people, you know, being escorted out of the woods by these things and not really being touched, but just terrified. Or is it that the ones that are attacked don't get a chance to tell their side of story of being attacked? Yeah. I do think they work, they operate the same way humans do on that level.

So a lot of these demonic spirits, they don't do anything. They're just there. Some of them harass people. Some of them take it to the next level where they actually have physical interactions with them. And some people, and some of them try to hurt people. So the same way humans operate, I think that's the same way they operate. So where in situations where you have them just trying to scare people off, I think that's exactly what they just want to be left alone.

I think a lot of them just want to be left alone and don't want anything to do with us, which is why when you have ghost hunters entering an abandoned building somewhere, they're trying to scare them away. because they just want to be left alone. They don't want to deal, interact with humans who want them anywhere near them, which is why they go out deep into the forest, the mountains, and places that are remote and dwell there. Some of them, I believe, dwell in some of these planets,

just so they could be left alone. So they may not all be, you know, bound to this earth, but they dwell in those planets, prisons. I'm assuming Stargate or Portal, how do they get there? Well, if we're talking about fallen angels, you know, we have no idea what that number could be. There's a third that fell with Satan. And a third in biblical terminology just means some. It doesn't mean an actual exact one-third. It just means some.

And so some of them could have been, you know, exiled themselves out to, you know, Mars somewhere, and you just dwell there. the ones who fell the ones the ones who fell and made it with women and gave birth to the Nephlam they were bound

so they're imprisoned here the third that fell with Satan I don't I don't know we probably don't know exactly to what degree they inhabit the earth or anywhere else for that matter so I think it's an important to

too because a lot of times I think people just connect these dots that it's like third of the angels fell those angels made it with women but not all of them did from what I understand there was a portion of the fallen angels that procreated with women but not all of them and the ones that procreated with women were the ones I think it's in Jude talks about they're the ones chained and bound for the day of judgment. I think it's in Jude. I can't remember. Maybe it's Peter, first, second Peter.

But I think that's something that a lot of people just think that all fallen angels procreated with women, and it's not necessarily true. And one of the theories that I had heard a long time ago is that had the Nephilim survived the flood,

well, some people believe that they went off earth during the flood. And that's how they survives. But, you know, one way or another, they did survive. And we're dealing with the remnants of that today. We talked about this a little bit ago, but when it comes to the giants themselves, and you mentioned how you believe that they're remnant of the Nephilim, are they still procreating amongst themselves, do you think? So that, or do you think that it's like, this giant is here from antiquity and just hasn't died yet.

According to the book of Enoch, they had a limited lifespan. So about 500 years. Limited. And so their spirits, of course, would keep going on because they would also be part angel, which is eternal. It's different from a living soul like we are in that context. And so I think that they would have to have to have some method of doing that. I think the demonic spirits would have to have some method,

and that probably would come from knowledge from their fathers. Because I can only imagine that angelic beings would possess that ability to warp space time, however we perceive it to be. I personally think that outside of this planet, it's a different type of space time that we're dealing with entirely. So it would be, I don't think we can keep track of time the same way. I think it would be completely distorted at that point. and um so i can't say that i know how that would be possible or or even if it would be the case

for them um but that's that's that's that's the understanding i've come to is that they're you know they're just not here they're in different places um i do know that one of the uh responsibilities because every angel would have a responsibility, or have a duty or a job, or a post, is how they term it, right? Yeah. And basically to keep everything in alignment, everything in order.

And so as light beings, because light is order, in the beginning, you know, let there be light, chaos becomes ordered because that's what photons, that's what light does.

it creates structure. Darkness is chaos. And so wherever is that darkness, right, there's going to be chaos. And these light beings would bring order to that. So they would be responsible for keeping everything in the orbits

that we know them to be. Until that day, where they're allowed to leave their posts and darkness returns and everything starts to move chaotically like prophesied like that was prophesized. Do you think that we're approaching a time and maybe,

do you think there's a time coming where these beings anywhere from the fallen angels themselves to Nephilim to these monsters that roam the woods come onto the scene in a very public way? I can't say. I do think a lot of things are going to be answered.

I think what's going to happen is some things are going to be revealed just enough for us to come to some conclusions, but not. Desired conclusions that are part of deception. Yeah. There's going to be a mixture of that too as well. So it's going to be up to our discernment to figure out what's actually real and what's not. because they're definitely going to try to trick us. Unfortunately, there's a lot of people who are going to fall for it. They fall for trickery now just from the media.

And so with that weakness, that vulnerability, and that's another thing, these spirits operate mainly on someone's vulnerability. It's always when they're at a vulnerable state, which is why in liminal spaces, during points of transition on the highway, entering into the woods, staircases, hallways, places of transition,

we're vulnerable. If you ever went from one room and went into another room and forgot why you went into that room, that's a vulnerable. state that you're in in between that transition, which is why that occurs because you're not, you're no longer focusing on what you were focused on before. And they catch you. They can catch you in between that state. And when people are feeling depressed, is when they like to

harass people or infest people's homes, you know, because they come and go. They can hang around on a person for a period of time and just leave, never to return, or they can go bother someone else. But they like to cleave to people that, or like to attach themselves to people who are always vulnerable, who are always having issues and problems, because they're the weakest, and they're the easiest to manipulate. This is why I think a lot of times when people go out, you know, and they see these creatures and things like that, I do think, you know, I mean, it's a vulnerable state to be in. You know, you're out in the way anything can happen.

You could trip over a branch, break your leg, be attacked by some wild animal. Bad weather could, you know, a lot of things can happen when you're out in remote areas and you're out. exploring, you know, you're always in a vulnerable place. It's crazy. I mean, I used to think about, like, going out in the woods and trying to see these things and try to hunt them down and stuff. But the more I've learned about these topics, the more I'm like, I don't know if I will go near these things.

Yeah. That's good. you've mentioned that because you bring up something else that's a lot of people aren't aware of and this goes back into demonology with these type of spirits that they look for people well let me let me start with this when adam and eve were presented with this tree of knowledge right eve kept looking at this tree she kept looking at it and looking at it and looking at it and Satan could see that desire and because of that desire that's how he that's how he discovered her weakness and how he would be able to manipulate her and that's what these demonic spirits look for

they look for that desire this is why they can actually conjure up these UFOs this is how they're able to do it it's desire and if you go out there with the desire to see something something in a lot of cases you will. And that's where it starts. It's a lure. It gets you to want to see more and more and more. The next thing you know, you're just seeing them all the time. Everywhere you go, it is just infested your life now. And that's how they operate within people's homes. They start with, they'll go with children because they're, you know, they're very vulnerable. and they're very easy to excite. And they know what a child desires.

And so it's very easy to manipulate. So are we because we have desires. And a lot of our desires are, you know, humanly based in, you know, sexual desires. This is why there's a lot of sexual themes that go along with these things. And so that's one of, that's a human weakness that's, you know, most common with most people. It's something that has to be disciplined early.

And if they see that that's a weakness of yours, that's what they'll go for. They'll throw women in front of you. They'll do anything they can to feed that desire. but it's a lure. It always is a lure. It's something to, you know, like a fishing lure, just to track attention and get you to bite. And once you bite, that's when they snag you. And so it's always my intention when I think about, because in the future, what I plan on doing is actually going out and doing field work. And actually visiting some of these places that I talk about but with no desire to see or experience anything i don't want to as a matter of fact a lot of

these places i would if we're up to me they'd be demolished you know like the pyramids and i would just get rid of them really yeah um but it's not up to me you know so uh i've never even considered the idea of demolishing the pyramids yeah i i wouldn't have these things around um you know just for a lot of spiritual reasons, you know, they don't, that are just unnecessarily there. And the things that have been done there, what they represent and energy that surrounds them, yeah, I just, I've wiped them clean. And I think that was the intention with the Great Flood to wipe a lot of these things out, bury them all. Yeah.

And start over because, you know, but of course, since these spirits are still around, encourage us to dig for answers, to dig all these things up. And so we just, we see the ruins. And a lot of these ruins are just haunted places, you know, surrounded by spirits. And we really are in a time period where, you know, we have to. start thinking more about the reality of the spiritual realm and what that means, especially being believers in Christ, that we can believe that,

then definitely these other entities are real, you know, and out of sight, out of mind, so we don't tend to think about it all the time. But it's definitely there. They're definitely everywhere. There's no escape.

There's no place you can go where they're not going. to be or it could be and so you just kind of have to walk around with the uh confidence and trust that you know you're you're protected yeah so uh winding this down um you this this youtube channel you have uh you started nearly 10 years ago you're now talking about possibly going out and visiting these sites um first of all what's the tent behind visiting the sites? Oh, just to give a, you know, in-person. So you'll be documenting it?

Documentation of, yeah. Awesome. And will you be putting that on the channel? Oh, yeah. Awesome. Will you be going on video? Will you be in video? Yeah, I'll be going on video.

Yeah. I've thought about this for some time. And I'm thinking, you know, 10-year anniversary. Yeah. I want to start. Because I attempted to do this before. And I wasn't really prepared for it because it is a ton of work. And so I've been thinking about it.

I'm like, you know what? I need to make an itinerary list of these places that I want to go to and talk about on-site. Basically, it would be the same thing I'm doing now, except I would be on-site discussing it. Yeah. So that would be the only difference. Well, I highly encourage you to do it. And I think that it would just be another piece to what you've built so far. I mean, you have nearly 500,000 subscribers on YouTube.

And quite honestly, I think you should be a million. Like, it's going to happen, but you've been doing this for 10 years. And I don't think I've ever come across a channel quite like yours. I'm a huge fan of your work. And you do a lot of good stuff. and the way you you share the information is detailed and it allows the person consuming

the presentation to unlock a piece of their imagination and the way you relay the information it gets people thinking about things they never really considered before so I encourage people to check it out Woodward TV

it's on YouTube Where else can they follow you? Anywhere else? That's the best place to see me. That's the best place. Start there. And then make up your own mind, what you'd believe. And that's all I can encourage anyone to do.

I want everybody to go check it out because, like, I think if people like this channel, they'll like your channel. I agree. Yeah. So, I mean, I, listen. I love it. I've been watching it since I was driving track to trailer in Philadelphia. And I'll crank that thing up, man. I'm telling you.

As soon as I, as soon as that intro music play, bang, hit that thing up. It gets me going. So everybody can go check that out. And I appreciate you being here, man. Absolutely. It was awesome being here. Awesome. Disclosure.

They said they're going to show you what's out there. But what they show you. Lice in the sky Something ain't right Shapes all the gang Flesh on the shit That's the Lord Lies in the sky

Don't look twice They snag you