The Confessionals - 891: The Dark Side of UFO Disclosure

Episode Date: August 25, 2026

Could the growing UFO disclosure movement be infiltrating the Church with a spiritual deception hiding in plain sight? Tony Merkel sits down with Paul Bach for a powerful discussion about the growing UFO phenomenon and the belief system forming around non-human intelligence. Paul opens up about the controversial pastors meeting and explains the warning he believes the Church urgently needs to hear. The conversation examines whether modern encounters with NHI could connect to ancient spiritual realities and a much larger deception unfolding around disclosure. As interest in contact and UAPs continues to grow, Paul challenges Christians to test these claims against Scripture rather than simply accept the answers being offered. This episode will challenge how you see UFO disclosure and leave you asking one crucial question: what are we really making contact with?If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890📕 Pre-order Tony's Book: https://a.co/d/0bJS3SaV📰 Subscribe to Our Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/newsletterBecome a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comPaul BockInstagram | BookSPONSORSGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyIVERMECTIN: twc.health/tonyVENICE AI: https://venice.ai/theconfessionalsRUMBLE WALLET: https://rumblewallet.onelink.me/bJsX/ConfessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media6726 Morganton RdP.O. Box #08Greenback, TN 37742SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jyorkofficialOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - That's The LureAvailable on Spotify

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And I hope that it serves you well, the messaging that. I put in there. All right, friends, listen, today is a show that I think is going to go down in possible history because several months ago there was a situation that popped up that catapulted me and some of my friends onto, I guess, global news. I mean, I was interviewed by the New York Times, Daily Mail, and it was on a level of virality that I had never experienced before. And if you haven't figured out what I'm talking about, it's the pastor's meeting that went crazy berserk, a lot of misconceptions, all that stuff. I did a whole live show breaking down my involvement of organizing it and what actually happened.

We did that on Slingshot Nation live for everybody to watch us talk about it live on air. And it had a lot of good feedback. People were really glad we did it. And I think that we cleared up a lot of misconceptions. Now, today we're revisiting it because the person that I was working with for the past several years that helped me organize the meeting, who held the meeting, who gave the information, who was collecting data, infiltrating different organizations to collect that data. He's here in studio. His name is Paul Bach, and he's coming on the show to talk to us about how he got involved with this stuff

and what the messaging behind it is, because when he and his team started uncovering data as to what's actually going on when it comes to disclosure, the UAP phenomenon, they realized there's a great attack coming on the church. And the church is largely unprepared. And that was their biggest motivation through it all. And we talk about it all today on the show. So let's get to Paul Bach right now. All right. Live in studio, we got ourselves here. Paul Bach. That's the first time I've said that name publicly, sir. How are you? Doing good. How are you? I'm glad you're here. And, uh, yeah, you're, you're somebody who has been part of my life for, a couple years now. And, you know, flying under the radar, essentially, somebody that I have,

one, not been able to talk about publicly, nor did I really have a desire to, because the nature of our communications were much about preparing ourselves, but also prepping the world, the body of Christ for deceptions to come. And, you know, I've mentioned over the years that I was in communication with people like you and the others. But that's as far as it went. And I know there are people who listen to the show religiously and have heard me say such things. And I think the majority of people just know that I say what's on my heart, you know? Yeah. And so when this stuff came up, I think, honestly, in the past, it wasn't a big deal to my audience for the most part. It wasn't like outrage of like, who are these people? Who are you talking to?

It was just like, oh, that's Tony. You know, he talks to people and he shares with us that he talks to people and he's, and he, the only time I think I irritate people is when I say, but I can't talk about that. That's when they're like, oh, then why even bring it up is because that's who I am. I just say things that's on my mind. It's like the ninjas or butterflies. If you look at the comments, because they like, Candahard Giant, classified. And it's like, it's always the giant.

It's always the giant. Yeah. What's going on? Classified. Classified. Yeah. And so, it's,

it was something that I, honestly, I didn't think I'd ever really have to address. And because I don't really, when we make our shows and stuff, I don't, like once we record something and after it's over and I give it the stamp of approval,

I'm on to the next one. I'm not really looking to analyze a whole lot. And so with this whole thing, I had not expected to have to address anything until that day that everything blew up. And I'll tell you, I think it was the day of or the day before I had seen the Perrystone video. And I saw it. I only think I watched the whole thing. I just scrolled past it and I was like, well, we're going to see how that goes. And I just ignored it.

I was just like, whatever. You know, I was like, that's, that could really not be good. And, and then I think it was like either that later that day or the next day, everything was just blowing up. And I was like, oh, freak. Because then I was like, okay, now, now I got to address things because things that are being said are actually not true. Yeah.

And there's all these spins happening. And I stay off of X a whole lot. but apparently X was like a dumpster fire. It was wild. And so when I found that out for my, I have a good friend Fringe who is in these spaces. She, uh, she tells me and I was like, that was my warning to not go on X. And I just stayed off X and I just lived in my own little bubble. And I had planned on not addressing it publicly. I was just like, just let it go. Just let it blow over. Let people say what they want to say. And I don't know what exactly happened, but it became apparent to me that I have to address this at some point. And so,

So the week that it happened, it happened earlier in a week, thank God, because we were able to do our Slingshot Nation Live show. And I just laid things out from point A to point B as I understood it and knew it. I was as honest as I could be without exposing who you were and others. And even in doing that, you know, I took it on the chin. Yeah. I took it on the chin because that wasn't good enough for a lot of people. You know, they want the names. And you're not giving the names. And so they say, you're lying, you're making it up, you're exaggerating. You're stretching the truth. You're These guys aren't who you're saying they are. I heard from very prominent people that is suggesting that these are your guys that just do research in their basement and that these guys and pastors are believing. And it's like, that couldn't be further from the truth, but I just had to take it. And so that was an interesting time of my life. And then when you and I were talking and you were coming out of the shadows, I was like, perfect. I was like, this is going to solve so many problems for me. Or maybe open up new ones.

I don't know. We have a joke like with your school, survival evasion, resistance and escape, where you do the mock POW camp. You know, they're asking you questions and your interrogations and whatever. And it's like, I'm just a lower enlisted guy. He's the officer. He knows everything. Talk to him.

You get to be that. I don't know anything. Talk to him. It's like, oh. The captain's like, does that get really bad. So that's how I feel now, thank God. Because now I can be like, I don't know.

Talk to him. So, I mean, if people haven't connected the dots in this rambling opening of a conversation here, you are the guy that I met several years ago that then led to this, you know, notorious pastors meeting thing. The infamous. The infamous. I'm doing air quotes here. air course, pastors meeting where there was a lot of truth and there was a lot of things that were blown out proportion.

And you kind of spearheaded a lot of that stuff, you and your team. And we game planned before we went into this conversation. And my intent is not to have you talk about this meeting because if people want to know what was in the meeting, that's what they're going to get today. Because you wrote a book that is about the information that was being disclosed in these meetings. And that is coming out. What day is it coming out?

Tomorrow. So the 18th. 18th. So by the time people hear this, it'll already be out. Tell people what it's about the title of it, where they can find it, all that stuff before we move forward. So the title of it is the disclosure agenda.

A Green Beret is warning to the church about UFOs, aliens, and their emerging religion. It's on Amazon. You can pick it up. That last phrase in there is really the core of this. Can they repeat the last phrase? And their emerging religion.

With the focus on UFOs, what is now called UAPs. And if people are not in this space or familiar with it, what we used to call UFOs is now called UAPs. Unidentified aerial or anomalous phenomenon.

And what we used to call aliens is now referred to as NHA, or non-HUAPs. human intelligence. But there is a religion that has formed around this. And it's been happening for a minute. And just for clarification, yes, I have a master's in biblical studies, but that's not me saying that. That's Diana Pesolka, who's a PhD of religious studies. And in her book, in the intro to American Cosmic, she states, I observed the dynamic genesis of a global belief system. Her whole book, American Cosmic, which if you haven't read it, the research is absolutely incredible.

She's an incredible scholar, and she is presenting her research. And it reads very well, but I would say, obviously, if you read it, always have this before you to test everything in there. But what she's doing is she is documenting the formation and the establishment of a new belief system with the UAP and H.I phenomena at the very core. And so while we as the church and as Christians, we've been discussing the phenomenon. Obviously, you have L.A. Marzuli that has discussed this. You have Tom Horn, Chris Putnam, Chuck Missler. All of these guys have discussed these things for years. Obviously, Josh Hooper on Ninjas are Butterflies, he turned me onto that book, Orthodoxy and the religion of the future.

Love that book. It was so good because that Orthodox priest was writing during the New Age movement. And he was seeing that New Age Eastern practice movement being syncretized into the church, both Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant. And he also discusses UFOs in the midst of that. Well, this is obviously a much older book, and he nails it on the head. And so these people have discussed these things for quite a while. But now, with this being such a prominent subject, we have had a religion form surrounding it.

And that was the core of those meetings, especially, since this has become so prominent within society and the government, obviously Joe Rogan, other people in mainstream have discussed the topic and the focus has been on the phenomenon, even in the government, Age of Disclosure on Amazon Prime, right? Multiple, I see our intelligence community official or people from the intelligence community, Mark Rubio is on there. They're discussing it. But as I've stated many times, no context is given and people want answers. And the world is now giving answers and people are buying it, hook, line, and sinker. There is a belief system.

Again, Diana Posulka, a PhD in Religious Studies says, she watched, as she is doing her research for American Cosmic, she is watching a belief system form around this. And so those meetings that we had, and you guys weren't the only ones, and you referenced Perry Stone, that was not our meeting. I got a call from a buddy at seventh group, and he's like, do you know this pastor? I said, never heard of him. well that was apparently the meeting that Stone was referencing so I have no clue what was stated in those meetings I can only tell you what what we stated and we just ran the same thing every time

whether it be with Catholic priests whether it be with SDAs the most fundamentalist cessationist pastor to the most hyper charismatic that we spoke to look here look the government's discussing this all right now let's get to the real thing that matters that the world is providing answers they're providing context. There is a religion that has formed around this that has serious legs, serious reach, and people are buying into it. What is your answer?

That's all that was. And so for clarification on the meeting, our concern, ultimately, and from the very outset of this whole thing, regardless of the nature of our platform or the work we were doing external to this stuff, because this was always done on time off as opportunities arose.

And we feel that God opened certain doors. it was simply to say, look, we, me and my director are Christians. The lost matters to us. There's no greater thing that matters to us than eternity. And so as people are buying this hook, line, and sinker en masse, and it's reaching literally millions of people, we have got to prep the church and make them aware of this belief system so that they can provide reasons for faith.

Right? as Jude states, put up a stiff fight for the faith once for all delivered to the saints. That verb agonismi is a genuinely combative term. Paul tells Timothy, fight for the faith. He states, no soldier inactive service gets entangled with civilian affairs, but seeks to please the one who enlisted him. We were talking earlier about 2 Corinthians. In 2 Corinthians 5, he says, you know, we're new creations in Christ.

old things have passed away, all things have become new. And he's now given us the ministry of reconciliation. And what I love about this is it says, therefore we are ambassadors for Christ as though God we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God. For he made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God and Him. We are ambassadors. So regardless of whatever station I hold, whether that was my time in special forces or on this platform, it doesn't negate the fact that I am still an ambassador for Christ. I still have to represent him. I am still called to preach the gospel and disciple the nations.

So the whole purpose of that meeting was just to say, look, guys, we have got to get our hearts broken for the lost again. And this is reaching people. And it has to matter to us in the face of a belief system that has validating experiences, that has non-human intelligence commissioned evangelists and prophets, that has its own practices, its own theology. What is the church's answer? How do we be ambassadors for Christ, as Paul states, in the midst of this belief system,

which is taking root and has taken root in a large measure of our society? You just look at the podcasts. I bring up American Alchemy a lot. I'm going to bring it up again. Why? Because that, and when he was discussing Jake Barber's book, Sentinels of Ether, over a month ago, it's called, if anybody wants to go look it up, it's called the book the Pentagon doesn't want you to read. He walks you through a contact protocol to reach out your consciousness and invite non-human intelligence down to see it, to experience it. Us as Christians would call that a summoning protocol. That's over 900,000 views just on YouTube alone, not including Apple Podcasts and Spotify. That means that over a million people have been taught how to do this. And let in, so now the question becomes what if they, let's say a tenth of that, 100,000, start to do that.

And at the close of that podcast, and I want people to understand how it is framed at the end of that. This is at the end. I'm talking about protocols that can help anyone, you included, attract and see UFOs, maybe call one to your bedroom window. Protocols that the government has been exploiting in hidden programs for decades. So what's the real secret that the Pentagon doesn't want you to know? The ability for any person to connect to this phenomenon or attract it like a human antenna is real. The big secret isn't a mothership.

It's you, your own human nature. That's far more magical than the happy accident of random atomic interactions we're told about in school. If anything, that worldview of materialist reductionism, that's the sci-off. We have the hardware. We have the brain waves. We have a love beam they can't jam. Eight billion biological antennas walking around on the surface of planet Earth. Homegrown receivers capable of connecting to a field.

The black world spent 70 years trying to monopolize. Because there's a far more radical thesis than they're hiding UFOs. It's more like they're hiding us from ourselves. The technology isn't in the craft. It's in human neurology and in the human spirit. and they've spent 70 years making sure that we don't figure that out. Non-human intelligence doesn't need a press conference at the White House. They've been making contact through back channels, indigenous tribes, secret societies,

occult practitioners, psychonauts, lone religious monks, or just some kids sending coherent love beams out his bedroom window. Sooner or later, something might pick up. In the words of Jake Barber, we're not alone. I encourage all of us all to look upward and look inward and to become the best versions of ourselves quickly. We need you. A new era awaits. What does he appeal to right there? Human nature. Your own human nature. Yeah. That's far. Need I remind any of us of our human nature because we will rationalize any sin that we plunge ourselves into. And this right here,

it'll give you answers. It'll give you information that have been people that have been healed by it. It comes across as good. Yeah. It just a, you know, it removes, the consequence of sin in some aspects. I think the human nature side of it, there's an argument to be made as well that we're living in a world full of people who don't even know what their human nature is, so they're open to being taught that from any direction. And what you're talking about earlier with the mission of the church, I mean, what's happening with very loosely, I'll say disclosure, because it's more than just disclosure is there's a whole new religion being raised up that's actually as a Christian you should find it hostile and offensive that there is but also um

what's the word i'm looking for it you should find it uh in a way where it's almost stepping on your toes too that you're looking at something on the rise that's that's the way that's scooping up your harvest and you're not doing anything about it. Like we're called to, we're told to go and make disciples of many nations. That's preach the gospel to everybody. And traditionally in the Western church, we haven't been doing that. And now you're seeing a whole other religion rising up and that religion is coming into your field and scooping up your harvest and either you're oblivious to it, which is dangerous. You're not a feeling. offended by it, which is dangerous, or you don't know how to stop because you're not equipped,

which is dangerous. And so that's like the foundation of what we're dealing with here and what we need to kind of bring things back in line with. Before we get too far into this conversation, is there a way for us to, at least loosely, because I know there are certain things you can't say. Is there a way to, for you to share how this kind of unfolded for you? Because it's not like you were

a, you, you a, UAP nerd where you were just like, or were you? Like, like, it's not, like, I'm assuming you weren't walking around daydreaming about UFOs. No. You, you, you, you were basically given a mission to carry out

and your faith, obviously, applied heavily to how passionate and serious you took this, the more information you gathered. And we're going to get into that information. But it's not like this is something that you sought out because it was just a fantasy of yours. No. So after Afghanistan, when God dealt with me heavily, and I really started to dive deep into the text of scripture, eschatology was something that I really wanted to dive into. God just brought me down that path

the best I could say. I wasn't a revelation nut. It was very much a, this is interesting. And then Dr. Chuck Missler mentioned how the benefit of studying revelation is it forces you to have a good working knowledge of the Old Testament because I think there's over 500 references to the Old Testament within the book of Revelation. And me wanting to just dive into the Old Testament. And me wanting to just dive into the text. And then I wanted to know what the text stated. I wanted to know his word. But I also took all the different views because we know within eschatology, there's a bunch of different views, ah millennialism, post-mill colonialism, pre-millalism, all of these things. So it was very much like, hey, let's lay all the cards on the table. Let's study all these. And let's dive in and see

what lines up with the text of scripture. And so in that, I dove down for about a month and a half because again, Chuck had stated as my uncle Chuck, as my wife calls him. And he had mentioned how this was part of the end times deception. So I'm like, possibly, could be, maybe, I don't know, let's dive down. And when you say this, you mean like the alien stuff? Yeah, the whole UFO phenomenon. And so I was like, all right, let's research it. So I dove down for a month and a half, not just reading Christians, but also reading non-Christians, reading, again, abductee story. testimonies of messages received. The New Age movement came up quite a bit,

and I was looking at the messages they were receiving, methods of contact. And so I was trying to look at the whole of it and then take that back to the text, as Paul says in First Thessalonians 5, test all things, holds fast to that, which is good. So I took it, tested it, and I walked away going,

yeah, none of this lines up with the text at all. Like everything about this points away from this. You know, why are methods of contact complete violations. And what in Deuteronomy 18, God calls an abomination through Moses. I have my answer right there. Everything points away from this. And if it is Jesus, it's a different Jesus. As Paul states in 2 Corinthians, there's another Jesus, another spirit, another gospel. So I just kind of shelved it, continued down that path, fell where I fell in the eschatological landscape. And just kind of, every now and then, would pick it up and talk about it depending on the situation.

But it wasn't something I was really pursuing. You know, I love the Bible. Like my master's in biblical studies. I love eschatology again because, and that's what I would really focus on is eschatology more. So because, again, it kept forcing me to go through the whole of scripture, looking at all of it, really getting to know it well because I wanted to know God in his word. You know, Paul says in Timothy to study to show yourself a worker approved by God, who does not need to be ashamed or rightly dividing the word of truth. So, and then obviously from the standpoint of me and. just the path that God has brought me on. Like, it's looking forward to that day when I can be before

him, you know, like, that's him coming back and, like, in glory. And I get to see him and be with him. And I mean, it's just, it's incredible, you know, I love that. Like, my favorite, one of my favorite verses is where it said he had on his right thigh, the title, Faithful and True. Man, like, every time I read that, it just lights me up because he is faithful and he is true. But, you know, So it just wasn't something that I delved down to much because I had what I believed was my answer. So I'm like, I don't really need to discuss it. Well, then at a chance random meeting, when I was the opposite started in Syria, I had to run down to Jordan in 2017 for a couple weeks. We had a split team thing going on with some of my guys down there.

So then I was rolling back up. Middle of the night, couldn't sleep, waiting on the convoy. It was like two in the morning. So I got about 45 minutes asleep and I was like, I guess I'm awake. There's other people in the room. I didn't know him. And it just so turned out the same for this guy. And so walking to the chow hall at midnight chow, grab some coffee.

He's like, don't sleep. Or you can't sleep? I'm like, I don't sleep, man. He's like, ha, me neither. Let's hang out. And we just talked for like the next five hours before the convoy brief. That just started a five-year relationship and him really coming back to the Lord and just encouraging him and, you know, just, you know, brothers that have just catching up on life, man.

So back in 22, he gave me a call and said, hey, dude, what are your thoughts on this subject? in UAPs. It's like, well, here's 20 minutes of my breakdown from the text. And as I view the whole of it, this is, it doesn't line up. Like this, I truly believe this is a deception led for the purpose of leading men astray and away from Christ. He said, okay, well, there's an opportunity. You went in?

Laid out what the opportunity was. I said, let me pray about it. Let me talk to the wife, had peace about it. And so we just went from there. And obviously, again, back to it, like, yes, we had things that were inherent to the platform that we were working. But at the very, very core of it, it goes back to that. Like, it ultimately was like, this is, we got it. We don't know why God's taking us down this path.

And doors opened up to us that should never have been opened. Like, I'll say that 100%. We saw things happen that should never happen. An example, we were out west and we had actually had media, sorry, we were out east. We had meetings in the east and we had to run up towards D.C. on a last minute meet. So we run up there and we get a call, hey, I need to meet you. So this guy, like, all right, so I'm booking flights to go out west while we're driving up to D.C. area, fly out west and we're smoked. Because we're not a lot of sleep, wake up at 2 in the morning to get to the airport.

And me being the coffee guy, as you know, I'm responsible for finding the. good coffee shops. So we hit this huge town. We go to the coffee shop. We're sitting there. We're planning out route recons and all this other stuff for the next day. And in walks this dude right up to my director and just starts talking to him. It's like, and I'm like, what's going on? Takes him outside. Turns out this guy, my director knew from a very, very, very small number of men that had worked a very specific mission set overseas. And he thought he'd retired a couple years ago. But we actually needed him for some things.

But it was like, man, the dude retired. Turns out he hadn't. And he had literally flown in to where we were to be on the ground for half an hour to give a flag to one of the people at the coffee shop because your dad was an old group guy that had died. Wow. So like that doesn't even, that shouldn't even be possible, right? We weren't even supposed to be out there. He's on the ground for half an hour.

And we just so happened to hit the coffee shop. Wow. that that's the level at which God literally maneuvered us this entire time. So when it comes to this whole thing, this was not anything I had planned. You know, I'm a chaplain for the band to fight for, right? I travel with them when I can. I've mentored them and disciples them for the years. And just so everybody knows, anybody that has listened to Ronnie Radke and he wrote the song,

Watch the World Burn and did that song with Manson, which is completely blasphemous, they made a response called blatant. So I would recommend everybody go check that out. But, you know, so I'm doing ministry. I had TikTok for a little bit. I shut that down. God pulled that out and basically said, hey, dude, that's not what you're supposed to be doing right now. Stop dancing for the camera.

Well, yeah. Is that what you're doing? You were dancing on camera? I was doing that, you know. Oh, my gosh. Got to get those clicks, man. Yeah. Your wife said no to Only fans.

So you went to TikTok. Oh, my God. Well played, good sir. Not trying to derail. I like that, actually. My wife said no to the only fan, so I went to TikTok. So in that process, you know, I had things that I was doing. God brought me along in different areas of ministry.

And when I was retired, when he medically retired me out of the military as an answer to do ministry, I was doing things. And as they came, and I didn't ultimately know what that was going to be. Now, obviously, I had an incredible wife who, when they retired, me was like, get your master's in biblical studies because you're going to use it. Because I'm like, I don't know what I'm going to do. Plus, I was still recovering from all the seizures and stuff and my brain wasn't. But that worked out.

And so, you know, God just was taking me around to do these different things. And then this popped up. That's the only way I can say it. Like literally, like, it was almost, I say literally a lot. I apologize. It was the best way I can describe it. It was like God just took us from place to place to witness what he was going. to do. Now, obviously, we had our parts in that that we played. We were trying to be faithful

to what he was doing and calling us to do. But ultimately, we just go, you got to see what God work. That's all you, God. Like, this ain't us. And that is through the entirety of the thing between the platform and the ministry side of it that was very, very quiet. We had to be very quiet about it because there were people we were connected to that that were very hostile to that. And so, and that then brought me to meet you. All right, it's sponsor time, and this is a paid advertisement for Rumble Wallet. They're sponsoring this portion of the show,

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the description below or visit rumble.com slash promo official rules for details. There's so many people that came to Christ through this, for my inability to describe with vocabulary, this mission that you were on. Like so many, like you guys were doing your work, but it wasn't even like a side project. It was like it went hand in hand. There were people who like you would text saying so-and-so just accepted Christ. And again, like some of these people aren't even public as far as I know. No. So like I'm not, but like if I said the name, everybody would know the name. Like it's like you're giving like these what the charismatic community say praise reports.

Yeah. It's like it's like you're texting and saying, you know, so and so just came to Christ and we just walked him through the gospel and he's and we just gave him literature to read and, you know, this person over here came to Christ and and it's just like there was the mission, but part of that mission was to spread the gospel. And you guys were doing that in enemy territory, behind on the other side of that line, where you guys walked,

which I found very encouraging. You said earlier when we weren't talking, but I think it's safe to say here, or when we weren't recorded, but I think it's safe to say here. Essentially, you guys got this kind of almost like divinely handed to you, and there was no direction from there. It was like, build it.

Yeah. So it wasn't like, here's what your mission is like, no, here's what needs to. to happen, so go figure it out. Yeah. And that's essentially what you guys did then. Yeah, it was really like the early parts of the war over in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was like, make mission.

That's what you said, make mission. Okay. Guess we'll go make mission, you know. And then, you know, obviously we have our professional careers and we understand how to work within a clandest. What years were you over when you first went over? Iraq or Afghanistan? Iraq.

Oh, so I did Iraq, 07 to 08, then I did a trip in 09, that it was still disorganized. Is that? No, no, no, I'm talking earlier. Oh, okay. Got you. No, this is before I got there. Because I got, my first rotation was in 07. So I did three trips to Iraq, seven to 10. And then we did UAE for two months.

And then we hopped over to Afghanistan for seven. Then I went back to the schoolhouse. And that's when my wife got sick with cancer, which, and that's what kind of really connected you and I with her leukemia. Back in 14 when she had leukemia went through a bone marrow transplant. And then I was an SFAS catarray, a special, forces assessment and selection cadetray. Then it was an SFC cadet, which is what I was in 18x ray, just straight off the street, met the gates, met the qualifications. And that was the prep

course to just get guys crushed and ready to go to selection. And then I rolled back to a group and I took over as the A3-5 op sergeant, had two weeks, and then we hopped over to Syria. And then when I got home is when basically started all the medical stuff started coming in about a year later is when I started, I retired in 19. So I did four trips. And then I did one trip as a dirty, nasty contractor. So I got a friend who did more, he did more trips as a dirty nasty contract than he did as a Marine. That is not a combat rotation. Anybody that says that the, no, no, this, it was actually so good because fifth group was the siege of soda at BDSC. And my contract, COVID was breaking out, actually. And so I had an opportunity. I could have stayed, but with COVID, just, just,

Nobody knew what was going on. So my wife asked me to come home. But I'll never forget. I walk in the talk. And my office was in this like C-Land-type container. I can't remember what it was. But basically there was four of us in the office out external to the talk. And I walked in.

And it's great because like my old team sergeants, the group CSM. My old team leader is the DCO. And so I'm just like, what's up guys? And I'm just, you know, talking, hanging out, helping with some things. And then drama would start and be like, I'm going back to my office, boys. I don't got to be here. It was so awesome. But yeah, so that's kind of how the once over the world of my career and everything that got on.

And even meeting you was a divine appointment, I feel, because I wasn't actually there for this platform. Because I was also part-time working for a group called Project Dynamo, which was a human rescue organization. American Rescue Organization, doing some anti-trafficking stuff as well. And so we'd actually gone to Haiti to pull out a missionary family. And the guy, one of the guys at my church, Ricky, who I absolutely love, he's total Marine. And so whenever I get to talk to Jamie Walden and him, I'm like, you guys are such Marines. Like anybody that's been around Marines, they're all the same dadgum person. It's hilarious.

I love him. and his wife had ended up connected to NRB. And so the head of Dynamo is like, hey, go rep us. See if you can make networks and connections down there for us. Well, Ricky was down there and he knows what my platform addressed. He doesn't know the nature of it and all those things, right? I don't talk about that. But he's like, hey, this guy was talking about these things to him.

So he's like, here, talk to this guy. So I was talking about the religious system that was taught. I was like, yeah, hey man, like this is, this is Stephen Greer. This is Chris Bledsoe. This is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is Jake Barber. Have you heard of him? And he's like, you got to talk to Tony.

I'm like, I don't know, Tony, man. He's like, Tony Merkel. I'm like, no clue, dude. And so he's like, that's when he introduced me to you. And that's, you know, these things that just this convergence of God, just placing people in the exact location, the exact time for his purposes. And all you can do is just be faithful to try to be like, God, okay, how can I honor you in this?

Let me ask you a question. When we met each other at NRB, I don't think I've ever asked you this. Were you there the whole time or were you only there for a few days? I was for a day. One day, that day. I literally flew in the night prior. I flew in the night prior. I stayed in my little Airbnb that was a camper because it was cheap.

And then I got dressed in my suit, walked over to, no, I went over to NRB, was there for the day. and I literally flew home early the next morning. So what's crazy is that that trip God used to cement a lot of things in my life. It started in the morning. All of this started in the morning. So I was having a really bad day. I didn't know that my publisher, Destiny Image, flew me in to do conversations with all their authors. I thought Alan was bringing me in for his part.

And so I'm talking to this lady Tina who works for Destiny Image and thinking that she works for Alan. And I texted that morning and I said, so listen, majority of my career doing this stuff has been audio only. Right. In the last few years, I started doing YouTube and video. And as I do video more, the more I care about certain things like how my face is. And as an adult, I don't know what it is. struggle with acne. I'll wash my face three times a day. And I'll still wake up with like crazy zits in my face. And so going to NRB, I was like, let me try that proactive stuff. I put proactive

on my face. And apparently with proactive, it actually pulls all the impurities underneath your skin to the surface to clean house. And I did that before NRB. And I wake up in the morning. And I'm talking hundreds of white head zits all over my face. Right, Jack? It was, bad. And I was like, and you can get yours for 1995. And so like, I was totally like in my like, vanity bag. And I was like, I cannot go to this conference where hundreds of people are, all these like Christian like broadcasting. And I'm walking around with this red face that's inflamed. And I was like, I can't do it. And, and in that same time, the Holy Spirit was telling me what now I know was messaging. I had this like the Holy Spirit was saying.

I felt the Holy Spirit saying to me, read my word, read my word, read my word. And I'm like in this like panic attack socially. And at the same time, the Holy Spirit's using that moment to speak to me. I'm like, okay, I got a God. But we got worried about my face right now, you know? And Tina talks me into going. And I get there. She said she can do makeup.

And she did a little bit. But she's like, it just looks like a bad sunburn. All right, I can handle that. I don't know if she was lying to me or what. But then at noon, the Holy Spirit, was started out with read my word read my word and then tell my story tell my story tell my story I'm like read my word tell my word tell my story like this is repetitive over and over again that day and then later that night um Joseph Joseph Z he's doing this like roundtable discussion and I'm sitting in in the audience

just listening and I'm sitting behind the cameras and I can't see any of the panel because the cameras are so close to me the only person I could see was Joseph between the crack of the camera so that's that's all I could see. And I'm not trying to reach around the seat to see everybody. So I'm just listening. And then he starts talking. And all of a sudden, he just, like in Joseph fashion, ignores the panel. And he just goes to me between the two cameras, he goes, TOTY, you're a man of the word. Be a man of the word. And I was just like, tell my story. Or read my word. Tell my story. Tell my story. Being a man of the word. Got it. So the messaging was there. Right. And that has formulated into how I preach. I'm a natural storyteller. And I just really believe that God was saying,

you don't need to preach like preachers preach. Just read my story, know my story, and tell my story. Read my word, tell my story. And that's how I preach. And so there's that. But that same day, I meet you. And you saying that, I'm just like, man, if I understood the impact of that day, the ripple effects that would have happened, I may not have struggled. so hard with going. But I almost didn't go that day. I was telling Tina, I was like, can we reschedule for tomorrow or the day after that my face calm down? I don't feel comfortable going in public like this right now. And I would have never met you then. And so it's kind of crazy that Zitz almost took me out. Like straight high school style, you know? But yeah, I mean,

that's kind of how you and I met. And it's kind of how things came together for you. But let's, I I guess we spent enough time just kind of talking about relationship, how it got together and stuff. And I don't want to- Reminiscing about the truth is coming together of our friendship. Yeah, I don't want to make the conversation all about us, how we met each other, or even, you know, the quote-unquote meeting. Because, like, I think people are about to get the meeting. Well, I think that the core of it is, like, that we can point to with all this. And I do think it's important to discuss these things because it demonstrates God is always working. orchestrating, man.

He is maneuvering. Yeah. And I always define success as faithfully carrying out what I was given to do today. I can't worry. Obviously, the horse is prepared for the day of battle, but the victory is the Lord's. I've got to be prepared, right? I need to study his word. I have to be trained in certain things in order to carry out what he's got for me.

But my worry is not for tomorrow. My worry is for today. And so in all this, I think the core of it is like, look, we have no capacity to understand. the ramifications of what that obedience looks like. We just have to trust him. You didn't know this whole thing was going to blow up with the meetings as a result ultimately when he goes back to NRB last year. We didn't know that.

We didn't know how God was going to play this out. I didn't know I was going to have a book. I didn't know I was going to meet John Matarazzo from charisma. An example, and this is important, I think, to this discussion. When I was on TikTok, I had a decent following. I had my group of guys that were, you know, when we were defending the faith, we were given reasons for faith, we were teaching through the text, answering questions, and shortly before I got off of there, Alan De Deo got on.

Alan Deio, I see him teaching the text. I'm like, cool, man, you're teaching the text. And we messaged back and forth like two times, but we never actually were able to connect. And then boom, he's at NRB earlier this year. And he straight said, had it not been used? you, I would not have gone. The orchestration and the level of connections that have gone into all of these things is so, mathematically it has to be impossible.

You're talking about impossibilities, which to me demonstrates, and the real, when it comes to all this, it shows the God that we serve. And we can either be in his will and take part in the things that he is doing, or let somebody else take our place and get and have the fun, you know? Because that will happen. And it will. And so for us, I want to, I do think that this is important to discuss because it all comes down to none of this is our own doing. This is all by God's design.

And it just shows the amazing God that we serve because we can only see like this little tunnel, right? That fatal funnel entering the door when you're going to clear a house. And he's like, he's got the full strategic perspective. He's got all the maneuvering pieces. He's got, you know, you're affecting this person and this person, this person. they're affecting these people, but you're the butterfly wing, you know, and yet that tsunami is going out. So our job is just to be faithful and God deal with the consequences. Yeah. You know, and so I think that's important to hit in all this and points back to what our ultimately is God's glory, that we seek

his glory, his mission, his heart, and let him do what he's going to do and get out of his way and eat our humble pie. And when we mess up, which we all do, repent. And I've messed up. We had this talk earlier, right? About, you know, talking about certain people, it's like, bro, if you could see who I am and was and people I'm connected to, we are not good people. And anything these people have done or said, whatever, I can almost guarantee you we've all done 10 times worse. But thank God for the grace and mercy that he gives us. And so what do you do? You stumble, you fall, you throw that rock back on, you repent, you turn from it, and you move out and make mission. That's because the mission doesn't stop.

the enemy will try to keep you down and oh i can't do this i'm not worthy and you're right dude ain't none of us are worthy and there's that that's a inverse form of pride because it's what you're saying is god you're not big enough to forgive me i must punish myself your son's sacrifice wasn't enough yeah it's like look dude it's bigger than you so you screwed up okay the mission's still got to get done god still needs to be glorified he's worthy of it more than anything he there are souls for whom Christ died. So I think that all this really is important because it does go back to the fact that God is working and maneuvering in all of these things to a level that we don't fully understand.

And for you, for me, for all the people that are listening that are Christian, God chose this moment in time when all this is going on, when disclosure is happening for us to be alive. Yeah, he chose you to be here this time. Exactly. So I think that is important. And we'll get into the message of the meeting. And the message of the meeting is the book. Yeah.

Period. Like, the meeting, a meeting happened. There were multiple meetings. And who cares about a meeting? Let's get down to the brass tax of what matters. And the only reason why people care about the meetings because of the misinterpretation of the meeting from people who didn't totally understand what was going on.

Exactly. Like, like, I have literally talked about my connection with you guys on my show whenever the thought popped in my head and it was relevant, nobody made a big deal about it. It wasn't until a misunderstanding of what was going on where it went crazy. And I'm going to be straight honest. This is probably as conspiratorial as I'm going to get with it.

I don't think that was an accident. I think that there was algorithms that were pushing certain things because that week is when they came out with the first drop. And I think that we were an easy target to draw up momentum leading up to that first drop. And so with that said, can I hit on that real quick? Yeah, go ahead. Because it goes back to God, right? Let's think about this. Let's think about the timing of that, right?

What does Romans 828 say? And we know that God, that all things work together for good to those who love God and are called according to his purpose. Okay. As we've stated. If that's true. As we've, if that is stated. Regardless of people's failings or messups or miss speaks, who cares? what is their heart?

Are they seeking to represent Christ? Are they seeking to point people to Christ? Okay. Well, that blew up. The tranche happened. The drops happened. As I've been discussing multiple times, the world is giving answers.

Well, now you've got disclosure occurring, and now you've got these pastors, Christians, who are now the forefront. So as people look for answers, it's not Stephen Greer and Jake Barber and David Grush and whomever else that is not giving answers from the text, that is not defending the faith, that is not giving the biblical response. Now you have pastors and Christians who are at the forefront. So now people can say, they're giving

answers. Maybe I go look there. So I think God is sovereign, man. God is sovereign. And I will state that plainly. And I think that he allowed that to occur. And he took, again, whatever failures in this as these people, because guess what, I've messed up in pursuit of Christ, the first admit that. I'm not perfect. Who is? Right? But in the midst of that blowing up, now people can say, oh, they're talking about it. They're pointing to Christ. And who knows, who knows how many people heard the gospel as a result? So God was able to take this whole thing. And it put the church back in the game. Yeah.

In a very different way. That's a great way to put it. Yeah. That's a great way to put it. And I think I told you in the middle of the storm that week, I was like, well, I think this is the biggest meeting you could ever have. Like, I was like, this sucks, man. Like, like, people have to understand.

I mean, I think my loyal listeners understand. I think most people understand my heart on a lot of things because I don't know how to hide it. I don't, I don't wake up in the morning wondering how I can go viral today. Like, that's not on my agenda. The things, I have built a very nice house here where I have my guys around me. We show up. We do our thing. We have a good time. We enjoy it. Hopefully, we're glorifying the Lord in the process. Like, on my agenda is not to, to figure out how to go viral. I'm actually beyond the stages of wanting to try building a show. It just grows as it grows. It has as fast season, slow seasons. Like right now, we're in a slow season. It's fine. I don't care.

It's fine. I'm not stretching, stressing about like, how, how am I going to, I need a viral video so we can get the numbers up. Not my thing. You know, and so when this happened, I was like, this is way outside my comfort zone. Like, way outside. All I want to do is be left alone. Yeah. And, and, and I'm even, I'm, I'm, I'm literally at the moment, I wasn't, I wasn't as appreciative as I am now because it did stretch me in a way that I, like, stretching hurts, man. It hurts. And it hurts. And it. And that period hurts so much. Just seeing how things were playing out, feeling like I'm literally, if there's anybody public right now that should have a voice in this, it should be me. And it was like, nobody was asking me for my opinion. And I was like, what's going on here? And so I had to eat that as far as like this major thing. And I felt like at the same time, I didn't have a voice in it, you know?

it was so stretching and painful for me to deal with. And then I see, like, New York Times reaching out. And honestly, I would have said no to talking to New York Times if I had not known that the other guys were going to talk to New York Times. Yeah. Because, like, knowing that they were talking to New York Times, I was like, well, I have to then. Yeah. Because I organized the meeting, you know? And so it was a big stretching period of time for me. And on the other side of it, you know, for the most part, I think I am, I'm really glad that it happened the way it happened. Because, you know, I got those scars now. And I feel like I build up muscle, you know. And you guys, we had a few conversations, like, you guys had to eat some serious humble pie.

Big time. Like, and that, you know, beyond the stretching, like, you guys had to eat some humble pie. And you did. You know what I mean? And so that's, there's a saying. you have in the military, you can always tell guys that have had a humbling experience. You can tell in the military, especially in special forces, you can tell guys that have had that humbling experience and the guys that haven't.

And so, you know, this isn't to just blow smoke. This is saying, like, you guys had to eat it and you ate it. And I think that's why, again, like, you know, God can use a humble servant, right? Humble yourself before the Lord and he will lift you up, right? None of this is about us. Yeah. You know, but when we, when we demonstrate the humility in these things, Larry Raglan's a perfect example.

Yeah. If you actually watch the video, yes, he was excited, and what it could come across is him putting words into Congressman Burleson's mouth. But what he said was not what Congressman Brillen said. He wasn't saying that. But the ex post would just do the framing. You could pull that out of there, but if you're careful and pay attention. But he did, by all accounts, he,

could have said, that is not what I meant, that is not truly what I said, and he could have defended himself. And that man won in a public stage nationally and apologized. I do not know many men who would be willing to eat that at that level. But why? Try to salvage the world that they live in. Exactly. Because ultimately, that shows me where his heart is. It is for Christ. Because ultimately, that's all this is about. And so he ate that. He willingly took that on the chin, humbled himself, just due to perception so that the gospel was not damaged. So that he, you know what I mean? It wasn't about him. Yeah. And that's why again, in all this, God wasn't just throwing you guys on the stage and saying, hey, here's, here's the church back on the table. He's also teaching you guys all. And you know,

I had those conversations like, that is not a fun thing to walk through, man. I told Larry, I said, If I ever invite you to a meeting again, slap me. Just slap me and don't let me go. Oh, my God. Put me in the back of your car, the trunk, whatever you got to do. But, all right, so let's get off this. Yeah. And because I want to talk about your discoveries in this process.

So you come into this situation with your understandings from your research that you did briefly. And you answered when asked, you know, what do you think about this? But then you go into it and you are strategic. You're in the shadows. You're operating. You're infiltrating. If infiltrating is the wrong word, correct me.

But I believe that that's how I would describe it. You're infiltrating certain groups that do not know who you really are there to represent. You're like Jesus is double agent, essentially. But you're rubbing shoulders with people to get intimate knowledge and understanding of what they believe and how do they operate. What is actually going on with this UFO alien disclosure topic and who are the players trying to push their narrative and information to the public? And is that information dangerous? Like you're collecting all this data and the only way to do it is to go behind enemy lines. And that has to be done in the moment secretly. Now, you have stated

publicly about your connection with Greer. Let's just open it up there and let's you. kind of share anywhere from how that came together to what you discovered. And I wouldn't mind you sharing your personal experience while there. I don't know if it was at his house. I think it was at his house. Yeah. But the dream and everything like, and you're, this is the right platform for that story because you're talking to a complete audience of people who totally understand the absolute significance of dreams, whether they're coming from a Christian perspective and thinking back on Daniel and others to a, so maybe somebody who's not a Christian, Christian, but they understand that the dream, I'll call it realm, very real, very active, and it's

not just your mind playing tricks and games on you. And so I would love for you to be able to share that with the audience. So they have some context of what's going on behind the scenes, but how did you get there? Yeah, so basically, you know, when you're building out stuff for intelligence, whatever, you talk to everybody, everybody. Breer was just one person of many that we met with and connected with within all realms, we could say. We'll just stick it at that. But he is somebody who we would call an access point. The reason we would call him an access point is because he's been in this space for 30 years. He's claimed relationships with whistleblowers, relationships with people on different platforms. So he was just one person that we connected with initially because it's like,

okay, are you legitimate first? And two, who can you connect us with? That's the nature of that, right? We would say we don't have friends. We have contacts and sources. So for him, it was a door that opened. And so we walked into it. We met with him. There was a few of us.

And it was very much a, okay, who are you? Are you legitimate? Who do you know? What can you actually demonstrate to be true? Who can you connect us with? So over those couple days, it was over a weekend. we went there and again just doing the thing. And one of the questions that came up that was asked probably twice was, okay, if what you're

saying about all these things is true of what he calls the deep black and this and that, if it's true, why aren't you dead? You're just a public figure, man. You're not anybody. I mean, yes, you're public, but like, why aren't you dead? And he stated, well, I'm protected. If anybody tries anything, they'll be dealt with quickly. So in the middle...

In that moment when he said that, are you thinking natural or supernatural? We just... Okay, so the way you look at... The best way I can describe it is when you get information, it's a point on the blotter. Right? You just point on the blotter, right? Cool. You get information.

It's like me working with multiple tribes, right? Over in Iraq. I've got this tribe over here and this tribe over here. They're both competing and they're seeking, you know, they're vying for power or whatever. They're both giving you information. but, you know, are they twisting that information in order to provide, you know, get them elevated, whatever, right? There's all these things going on. So all you can do is take all the information, kind of put it on the wall.

And with validating stuff, events, whatever, you try to validate the information and move on from there because intelligence drives operations. So with that, I had no clue. It was just points on a blotter. So the second night we're there. It was three in the morning. I was asleep. And then I texted you when you sent me the cover for your book because it freaked me out. Because it's like, that's the door I saw.

Just like that, except instead of red light, it was yellow light. And I was obviously like, that's freaking creepy. And in this dream, the door was there, white light at the edges. And there was something standing in the doorway. And it just said, you can have anything that you want. And I've never invoked the name Jesus before in a dream, never after that night or the next. And I started to try to say, I reject that in Jesus' name. And every time I would try to say that, this thing appeared to get angrier with me and tell me to be careful.

So I pulled myself awake and then I could physically feel something jump on me in the bed, like pressure, like deep pressure on my chest. This is not like I'm waking up and my body's just coming. No, this is like something is sitting on me. And I felt two hands cover my mouth up like this. And it took about 15 seconds of me fighting to physically say the name Jesus and tell it to leave. And I could feel it. It was the craziest thing. I could actually feel the presence, leave the room, go down the stairs and out the front door.

So obviously, I'm very, very shaken. I've never had an experience like this. I've heard about it. But this is my first time actually going through something like that. I pray, I worship, I feel peace come, I go back to sleep. Well, then I'm in this, a next dream, and I'm in a crowd. And that is kind of like the matrix where people are moving back and forth. Everybody remembers that dream or the, when Neo is taken into with Morpheus, right?

And there's the people driving by. He's like, did you notice the woman in the red dress? But it wasn't a woman in a red dress, but it was a woman. and she's just staring at me as all these people are moving by. And then somebody walks by her and she turns into this 12-foot thing. What color hair does she have by that? I have no idea. Okay, you don't remember?

I don't remember. But I just remember as soon as they walked by her, boom, she's like 12 feet tall. She looks feminine. She looks feline. But that doesn't even fully explain what I saw. So I wake up and I'm thinking clearly I had a demonic experience. I was attacked. It's probably why I had that dream.

So the next night, I'm back at home at my house and I'm in another dream, but I'm back at Greer's Place. I'm in the entryway and to the left, to the right is a seating area. To the left is a study. And same woman's there. We're separated by a doorframe and she's just staring at me. And the same thing happens, somebody walks by her and she turns to this like 12 foot thing, except there was a depth of hatred.

I could feel. Like it just wanted to do violence to me. And in my dream, I just say, I'm not scared of you. You can't touch me. I'm bought by the blood of Jesus. You have no authority over me. And she's just, this thing is just staring at me. And then I look over.

And Greer was a dead body leaned up against the wall. And he's completely black. So I wake up. I call my director. And I'm like, hey, you know about the one experience, but I got to tell you this. Like, this thing's appeared to me twice now. And he got kind of quiet for just about 10 seconds. And he goes, okay, you remember him saying that he's protected?

I was like, yeah, he's like, I dug down into that on Saturday night and basically asked him, what do you mean by that? What do you mean by that? And he said, well, I am protected. I have entities that surround and protect me. Now, he claims to be in contact with non-human intelligence, right? He writes about this in his books. In Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge, he discusses how he is at this, a high,

state of connected to the God consciousness. And his mind is open. And so he claims to get information, be in constant communication, have these entities that surround and protect them. Remote viewers can see them. Different types of scanners can see them. And at a later date, when an edited version of that was given to him, he said, oh, those are the warriors? And I asked, are those the ones that protect you? He said, yes. Now, I did not have an understanding of, of seeing him dead, though. And that was where in that meeting, when I was asking him and gave him that version,

I care about the guy's eternity, man. Like, I do. The guy's in his 70s. You know, we don't know how, you know, he had a bike wreck a few years ago. And like, any of us could go out at any time. Like, the guy is possibly going to face his creator. And so I wanted to see if I could maybe sow some seeds.

And so I just put a couple feelers out there. And he was so hostile to what I said that he, it just, I, God kind of like was like, hey, man, like, he's made his decision. And it hurts. Because, dude, like an eternity apart from God, like, whether or not he's right or he's wrong, like, he's still a soul for whom Christ died. Like, that has to matter to, and if it doesn't matter to anybody else, it matters. to me, you know. So that is what happened with that. And then we also had, you know, after your meeting, we were in that group chat. And individually, the pastors, or sorry, not individually, but in pairs, they would have activities start up at their house. And one night, one of the pastors

had something, an entity appear in his basement, because he heard banging, he went downstairs and saw a shadow figure with red eyes staring at him. That same night at five in the morning, my daughter came in, just completely shaken. And she's, hey, in my dream, you and mom are sitting at the table. I look over. And there's a shadow figure with red eyes just staring at us. And so she said, I started chasing him and said, get out, Jesus. Get out.

Jesus. And so this is very, very real. These are the experiences we have had. And there's obviously more. There's a lot more that's gone on. But that just, again, shows the supernatural realm in which, we are now facing with this space, it's always been supernatural. We've just ignored it.

We've been so consumed by the phenomena. Again, I'd say, like, we've been so consumed by the phenomenon. And what is it? We completely miss the belief system and the reality of what, hey, look, this is occurring. There's a belief system. People are having real interactions with real entities, like legit entities. More and more people are now partaking in these practices. And these entities don't care about what your theology says they are.

Like, like, it's not. And this is one of the hurdles that we deal with just being, for me, in this space as a Christian. Like, some of the biggest hurdles I have to go through is other Christians who have a theology that says that what I'm saying is impossible. And it's like, the supernatural realm and these things do not care if you believe they're real or not. They're here. They're operating. In fact, if you as a Christian are. ignorant and willfully ignoring, that works in their favor. And speaking of, I mean, in that dream,

you said that it had said you can have anything you want. Do you think that one, that was an offer because your cover had not been pulled on it yet? Or did you think the entity knew who you were and was offering you a deal to betray? your God, but also the mission you were on. I have no clue, man. I'll stay plainly. Like, I could assume, like this thing are you, I could. Did it feel like a recruitment?

It didn't feel like anything. Okay. Like, it just, it was, it's what it said. You can have anything you want, you know? So, there was nothing in it that made, it had a sway over me. Like, nothing came to my ground. It's in a dream, but I think it truly was a true spiritual experience, you know, with, with something.

Yeah. And it was hostile to God. So for me, I'm not going to assume and say, oh, it was this, it was this because I simply don't know. I can just tell you what happened. Now, I know that L.A. Marzuli, when I spoke with him, he said, there's the offer. Maybe. Maybe it was offering, right? Just, just will you take this? But I can't honestly say. And I'm not going to try to pontificate on what it could be. I just know what happened. Does that make sense? It makes sense. And within this, the same dream context, Have you ever, and I'm sure you have, because all the stuff you dug into over the past several years, that woman in your dream, do you think there's a world where that could have been divine feminine type of interaction? Maybe.

That's why I asked you about the color hair. I don't know. You know what I mean? Here's my point. And this is, and I'll throw the elephant out there. You've heard this before. bite-sized pieces bite-sized pieces

yeah no but you know I can't say it's the divine feminine I can only say what I saw and what I experienced

right and for me to get consumed on what is it right you know we talked about this right

you got the three parts of the elephant you got the trunk it's strong it's good you got the back oh it smells

like junk it's covered in piss and then you got the middle of the elephant like it's strong but you're both liars and then you got

this person over here and they're like they can kind of see but not really and they're like obfuscating and trying to make the best of it, but it's confusing everybody. And ultimately all of that is the purpose is to suck you in and get your eyes off of Christ. I don't know. I can tell you they were not loyal to the God of the universe, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I can tell you that.

But that's as far as I'm willing to speak on it. Because it really, if I know, I talked about this on ninjas or butterflies. If I know, does it change my mission? Right. You know, so I don't, I don't really care, right? I entered into a world that was a lot more spiritual. Like, I already knew it was spiritual. I did not understand where God was going to be taking us.

And fortunately, he protected us. He set things up. But really the only thing that's important about this is that this is very real. These are real entities that are working right now. These are real entities people are coming into contact with. You know, in Psalm 106, when it's talking about sacrificing their sons and daughters, speaking of Israel, it says they offer, they even sacrifice their sons and their daughters to demons. Then it's clearly saying you're sacrificing your sons and your daughters to demons.

Beal, Mulek, and Ishtar are real entities. The prince of Persia is a real entity. The prince of Greece is a real entity. But we have lived like naturalistic atheists. well now the world is now supernatural. They believe in this stuff. These are not, Satan is not some dude that just gets written about,

and that's ancient history. He's very real. He's very real. Those that fell with him are very real. It says our war is not with flesh and blood, but with principalities against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age. So the text presents that we are truly at war with real spiritual entities that seek to destroy us in whatever way that is, whether that's through torment or through giving you everything you want.

Both lead to the same conclusion, eternal separation from God. And he stocks or the enemy stalks around like roaring lions seeking whom he made a vower. That this is real. And that's the only thing that for me that matters. It's a demonstration of the reality of the warfare that is going on right now, especially tied to this subject, especially tied to this belief system. Again, when we look at this belief system, you have commissioned people by non-human intelligence that are told to go forth and take a message, lead people in practices to make contact. speak of the benevolence of the phenomenon, carry out miracles.

There have been people that have been healed. If you go watch Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind on YouTube, it's a Stephen Greer documentary. One of the guys on there claims to have been healed, have his hearing healed. Chris Bledsoe when he prays in his book UFO of God discusses a boy that basically they couldn't do anything for him.

He prays over him. And boom. Kids healed. His Crohn's disease is healed. We've had other testimonies of people we've talked to that have been healed of different things. So you have signs, you have wonders, you have a prophetic commissioning or a commissioning to evangelize. Theology, doctrine, practices. It's very real. This is like Islam, right? It is angelic revelation. Mormonism. It is angelic revelation. What is the angel of life? Well, in Islam, the Barak is called the peacock of all the angels. And when you actually read the writings about him, it mirrors the description of Satan. Every beautiful stone was your covering. He's a very unique angel.

So in that, you have people that are truly in contact with real entities. We can't ignore this anymore. It is happening. It is here. This is what they're claiming. People are listening. wake up. We are in a suit.

There is a God. There is a God of the universe. Jesus, the Messiah of Israel, is seated at the right hand of the Father. The Holy Spirit is real. Third member of the Trinity. The cherubim are real. The seraphim are real.

The living creatures that cease not day and night to say, holy, holy, the Lord God Almighty, who was and is to come. They're real. Satan is real. His angels are real. Demons are real. Rebellion actually happened. So let's get out of our heads that this table and us on these mics is the only thing real.

Is what matters. No. Yeah. And that is the only reason that I bring those things up. Because I don't care about the experiences other than to say it validates the fact that we all better get our heads on straight and realize the level of warfare in which we are in. Right. So that's where it's important to understand that, you know, know, when we share the content of the experience and things like that, it's, I think a person's

testimony, it holds a lot of water for people. And if I come and I, I'm trying to tell people that the supernatural realm is real. Just pretend I'm not me, right? Just a normal dude that drives truck still. And I'm trying to tell people that the supernatural realm is real, this, that, and the other. It's like, okay, dude, whatever. But if I can come and say, the supernatural realm is real, it's operating, and here's how I know. I've had these experiences. I know, I've seen, I've looked darkness in the eyes. And I know where safety's at. It's in tucked up underneath the arms of Christ. Like, snuggle him. Like, he's like everything. Because he's the only thing that's going to protect you. I've seen the darkness.

You know, it's important, I think, and I'm just trying to add context to what you're saying, too, where it's just like, that's the the only reason why you, I, we do these things because it allows people to understand through example how

tangible what we're speaking is. Literally, every day is a war. Every day, there is an enemy that zeroes in on you, me, everybody watching right now individually to seek your destruction every day. Yeah. And I said this last two weeks ago, whatever it was that I was in Missouri, but I'll say it

again. Like, I understand the idea behind people pushing back on this saying, but in this context, I would say, when people say there's not a demon under every rock, I would just say, I understand what you're saying. but you're using that saying to push back on the idea that you're not being attacked every day. Yeah. Like every day. Even on your best of days, you're like, today was a good day. Praise God that the attack didn't get through, you know?

And so, like, that's just kind of like how I literally live my life, which is what we were talking about earlier stuff. I don't make a whole lot of friends. I don't have friends, you know, because like, people are like, who actually, when the microphone's off, still wants to like deal with this, you know? It's like, well, I, for however long an episode is, people get to see in a window of how I just am, you know. Yeah. So it is what it is.

So I have here. Well, dude, like to go ahead. Yeah. Like, these last couple days leading up to this, because I got home from Dallas last week, Friday was good. And then Saturday and Sunday, man, it was, it was rough at the house. And I'll be the first to say, like, I screwed up, man. Like, I was tired.

I wasn't paying attention. And dude, like, offense happened and this and that. And like yesterday, like, things would be good. And then they sink. And I failed as a father and I failed as a husband to represent Christ best. And I went to my wife. I went to my daughter and I apologized. And we were in the car.

And I said, we need to pray right now because this is warfare. Like, with what you guys, what they're getting ready to do this week, what I'm getting ready to do, obviously on here. Like, the enemy is working to separate us. And I had to repent as a father for my failure. Like, that's, it's no accident that those things really pop up within the household because it's been great. You know, it's great in my household. You know, I got an awesome wife.

I got an awesome kid. And I let myself get offended over stupid stuff. And it's just like the enemy was just getting in there and I was letting him. So I had to repent of that. And I, and together as a family, we prayed. And it was like, God, like, rebuke the devour for our sake. Like we, you know, and go through that process of like going to war together in prayer. You know, so that's, yes, you got the crazy supernatural stuff, but you also have that that occurs.

Yeah. So earlier you mentioned, I just want to bring this up because it's going to nag at me if I don't bring it up. You brought up the, the Prince of Persian, right? Have you ever heard of a guy named Ali, or Ali Seadaton? No. So he's out of Toronto. know, he was a former guest in the show. He has a documentary that he made probably 20 years ago.

It went viral on YouTube back then. And he, it's about UFOs, scripture, and stuff. He, ally. He came in here, we were talking, and we did two shows. We did a show, a main show, and then we did a member episode. In a member episode, he talked about going back to Iraq. He's Iranian. He can't go right now because of who he is.

Yeah. But back in his younger years, he would go back. back home and visit his family. And he said that one day he was in the back seat of the car, if I have this totally correct. And they were driving from wherever they were at. His parents were living to somewhere else. And he was kind of just sharing the gospel of his parents, you know, while they were driving and just, you know, talking. And he said they had this UFO that went across the sky. It was very clear. I can't remember all the details, but it was very clear, very large. And if I remember correctly, he said, he saw something come out of the ground,

like this thing went into the ground. And I said, what do you think that was? And he goes, Prince of Persia. And I was just like, interesting. I love your perspective, man, you know, because like we see this idea, and we can go into this if you want, we see this idea of the supernatural realm being an ethereal, poofy type of thing. And what I say, what I've been saying for years, and then you guys and your data collecting have come to similar conclusions is that what people are experiencing is coming from somewhere else. And we may not totally understand how that actually works. But people are experiencing things that seem very physical that did not originate here.

And Ali, without saying it said that. And for me, I'm just like, this is Fallen Angel Tech that some of it being reverse engineered for decades, some of it not being reverse engineered because it literally, that what you're looking at just came from somewhere. else. Yeah. And I know you guys kind of came to similar conclusions. Maybe you guys different than me on certain things. But like on that topic, do you recall how you guys started turning that wheel? Like, I think this actually might be fallen angel technology that we're dealing with here. Well, that was from the outset. Honestly, like we both separately come to

our own conclusions. Like when I was back doing my research, because for me, it's like, okay, Satan and his angels, we have no full understanding. We have no capacity to understand their limitations or their capabilities. So why could they not create technology? Why could they not create bodies? You know, again, this is not a statement of, it's a question, right? Why is there in abductions a need for reproductive material? So if I'm a fallen angel and I take reproductive material, could I not use

that. Again, I'm not saying that's what's happening. So let me clarify that. But it's a question. And again, it's one I'm not going to have the answer to. I find it interesting that these things come out of the ground. They come out of the sea. Well, where is Sheaul? According to the text, Shaul is at the center of the earth. That's Jonah. That's many other passages. Sheaul is at the center of the earth. And in Luke 16, we have the presentation of what Shaul is. You have Abraham's bosom, which Christ led the captives free after his death is obviously then you have his ascension. And the saints are removed from that.

Then you have the side of burning. So clearly at the center of the earth, as the text presents it, is where Shaul the abode of the dead is. Who knows, man? Could that be where? I find it interesting because I had a buddy, Luke, who runs sojourner, sojourner, survival and field, Bushcraft out in

West Tennessee, or Central Tennessee out by LBL. He had a very unique experience when he was a kid. His dad was into some things and they would have

this thing that would appear around the house. Into some things as like a cultic? Yeah. And there was some music. I can't remember. I don't remember what all it was, but he became a Christian

and he said that he remembered this one time. He was going to the front door and this thing's just, he said the face was terrifying. and he just said something pulled my legs out from under me. He said, but when that thing would come around the house, it could never come into the house, my dad would say the name Jesus. So he's younger, and his dad actually died in a car wreck, and God protected him because when he saw his dad,

it wasn't like all the mess from the accident. He actually said he looked like he was sleeping, but what his dad actually looked like was very, very different. So God protected him. And he said that one night he was, asleep, his brother had a fan that he would have going. And he said, a shadow figure, I think this presence came in the room. And he said he heard the fan volume, just go down and down and down.

And then he said he sunk down through his bed, through the earth. And then he went through this. He said the best way he can describe it is a gymnasium. It sounded like a gymnasium. And then he kept going. And then he's next thing you know, there's this like fire and torment. and just all these things, and there was a throne. And he said, this throne started to turn.

He said, all I could say was the name of Jesus. And as soon as I said the name Jesus, this thing, he said, I went back through the gymnasium. I went back through the earth and up into my bed. And the entity was not there anymore, and it stopped coming around. So as we've discussed this with him, this is obviously a very, very conversation. He doesn't tell lots of people. Sure. But it happened.

And he doesn't mind me telling it because he actually, that was something we discussed. So I got his permission to share this. But through these discussions, we were like, we think you actually went down to Shaill, man. And the reason that you heard the gymnasium was because that's Abraham's bosom. That's where, you know, the saints were removed from, you know. And he has no reason to just make this up, right? It's what's the benefit, right? But so for us, you know, it doesn't surprise me if these things are coming from the earth.

Well, I mean, Sha'O is down there. why not? Again, and when it comes to the bodies and the craft, again, I'm going to say, if I'm earning a deception operation, I'm going to provide validating evidence. Well, okay, let's look at this. In 1947, UFOs were put on the map. 48 is where it becomes a nation. What most people have missed is they've discussed this whole thing is they talk about, obviously you have Jack Parsons, Babylon Working Ritual with El Ron Hubbard, where they were seeking to bring an entity. into the world. And there's a whole thing with that. But people look at the nuclear weapons and that's when

these things started. No, man. If you actually pay attention, yes, these things have occurred throughout history, little bits here, a little bit's there. You have the gods that came down in these ancient cultures, all of these things. But when you actually look at when all this stuff started, it was after 1922, when the League of Nations allotted the land for the Jewish people. And ultimately this comes around the time, of Israel becoming a nation again. 47, it gets put on the map. It's in the minds of the population. Israel becomes a nation.

They get Jerusalem back in the six-day war. You have the Intifadas and all that stuff that go on, but you have the New Age movement. UFOs are back to prominence again, fall by the wayside. A little bit of peaking again with Greer in the 90s and his disclosure movement. Then early two first,

thousands, you have pop atheism. Everybody's an atheist. And basically, I'm not going to believe it unless I can touch it, feel, it, experience it. In the mid-2000s, everybody kind of was like, this doesn't answer my question. So they started going towards spiritual. And about that same time is when you see more drops and just a little bit more and a little bit more of UFOs and a little bit more of UFOs. And then you got from a drip, a drip to a trickle to a stream to the dam breaking. And so you think that's where right now the damage is broken? Absolutely. I mean, the government's talking about it, man.

The government's like even on age of disclosure, those I see if personnel said, hey, this, some of this is human maybe, but like some of this is just not of this world. Like disclosure is here. This stuff is real. The government is releasing videos of UAPs. So what, why, so now it's validated. And here's all these people over here to provide all the answers that people are seeking. And where does I leave the church?

And where does I leave the church? So notice, though, everything about this is a setup for these people to be able to give answers and to bring you into the belief system. We've got the validating information. Obviously, back then, people were more biblically sound. You know, if you look at reaction, right, if I'm going to present you with something, I'm not going to just like, Tony, boom. I'm going to slowly inoculate you to it in what. whatever capacity I need to frame it so that you slowly are okay with it. You're desensitized. It's okay. And then I'm going to provide you validating information. I'm going to provide you evidence,

all of these things. That's where we're at. It was ultimately, in my view, all of this is a setup for the belief system. Truly. Why? Because they're the ones giving answers. No, I agree. And this new religion that is being rolled out, I don't think we can, I don't think people hearing that phrase new religion tied to disclosure, when they really sit back and think about it, could argue with it because of the amount of spiritual nature that this, disclosure has taken to not not from your mouth, not from my mouth, but from those who are inside intimate, the whistleblowers, their mouths. Like as soon as you start talking about like Jake Barber and the information he's kind of released as far as like the calling these things in, the training to call these things in, like we're talking about something that's beyond our

natural. We are now going supernatural. And if within that supernatural realm, there is a wide open door for a new religion to form. And that's, that, that is what I believe is starting to form and take place. I would argue it's not, it's already formed. Sure. That's the thing, right. It's, it's not forming. It's here. You know, and like, that's where like, oh, you think this is the end times deception? Maybe I ain't there, man. I can only deal with what's before me today. Diana Posulka, a PhD of religious studies, says she, and the research for her book, because she's watching a belief system form that is global. Period.

It is here. Where do you think? So Jake Barber, you know, he had a very heavy focus on the psionics, you know, with Skywatch, right? He's got, he speaks of the feminine entity that interacted with him when he was on a retrieval. I find it interesting that Chris Sblezzo also speaks of the lady, who through hypnotic regression and more revelation in that process identifies herself as Hothfell. which is the ancient Egyptian deity whom the Israelites worshipped when they made the golden calf. And he speaks of the divine feminine.

It's all right there, man. Like, this is nothing new. Right. This is nothing new. It is just very old wrapped in a different package. It's not divination. It's remote viewing, right? It's not interacting with familiar spirits.

It's making contact with non-human intelligence. Right? I mean, there's all of these things that, We've just got modern terminology about it. It's not your spirit, your soul. It's your conscience. Reach out with your conscience. You know, so these are the, you've got to get at the language, right?

Because that's key. Like, if you're in a debate with somebody, you have to get to their terminology. What do you mean by this? And when we look at it tested against the text, we already have the answer. It's just a completely different reframing. Yeah. And I think that that's also partly why, because it's kind of like, oh, it's scientific. It's, it's an entity or it's an alien.

Who knows, man? But again, I'm going to say that Dina Posoka has said a religion has formed about this. And so we as Christians, and I'm very intense. I know that. As my wife always says, Paul, you're at a 10? I need you at like a two. It's hard for me, guys. I need you at a civilian two.

There's a difference with that in special lives. A knife-handed, Tony, like, come on. No. You know, so that is, this religion has formed. It's got a flavor for everybody. Right, that's the scary thing. It has a flavor for everybody. So you may disagree with Stephen Greer that these are a higher-evolved species.

Right. He holds his Baha'i faith. He holds to God consciousness, pantheistic monism, that at its ultimate core, everything is one, and that one is God. And we are all part of that. there's different manifestations, right? Jesus is not God manifest in the flesh. He is another species.

He is one, just, he's basically in the long line of manifestations. And he's told you he's Baha faith? Or is that, is that, is that, yeah, he told us. And then it's just, it's just public knowledge that he's Baha'i faith man. Okay. So, I mean, he worked at Haifa at their headquarters when he was like 19, I think. But in his book, Hidden Truth Forbidden Knowledge, he talks about Jesus.

And he's just another manifestation like Moses, like the bad, like Muhammad, right? He's just another manifestation on a list of manifestations. You know, so he sees these things. They're not angels. They're not demons. They are a higher evolved species that have achieved a higher enlightenment. They have chosen peace as their natural next as a part of their evolution. And they want to help bring us peace. They want to help us evolve, want us to be closer to God within God consciousness. You've got Chris Bledsoe who sees these things not as actual angels, right? because he misreads Jude 6. He believes all the angels

are bound in chains in an everlasting darkness till the great day. So for him, after he was studying under Pasolko a little bit. Jude 6 says, those who transgressed. Well, it specifically states

those who transgressed, but then it says, in verse 6 and verse 7 are one sentence, and it says, and Sodom and Gomorrah in like manners as these when going after strange flesh.

Yeah. Well, the V's, that's the pronoun, the antecedent is the angels. And in the Greek, the V's is a masculine, whereas the cities are feminine. So, again, it's pointing back to the angels because angels, Anglos is masculine. And so it's saying quite literally that Sodom and Gomorrah went after strange flesh just like the angels did, which goes back then to Genesis 6. And obviously, somehow they, we have no capacity to understand how they disrobed from their habitation before God, not their standing, but that physical state. And that's the elephant, right?

It's like, we don't know. We don't know. It just is what it is. It happened. But so for him, he reads Jude 6 as all the bad angels were chained. So he actually puts it out to the hole and says, so this is all good angels, right? In his book UFO of God, it's like, I read the Bible and there it was, all these things. And it's always been trying to make contact with us is what he says.

It's always been there for us. So, you know, within this space, man, like there's just. There are so many different flavors that you can just kind of pick and choose what you want, which one of these from each of these speakers you actually want to believe, but ultimately it ends with an eternity apart from God. It doesn't matter what you pick. Just pick one. Just so that you, that Jesus, cool.

Just not this Jesus. Right. Just not this Jesus. That seems to be the common denominator there. And based on what you just said, I mean, my question would be, where's the war then? Like, if all the bad guys are locked away, where's the riff? Well, I mean, we should be living in pretty much paradise. For Steve and Greer, he views, like, he would view, like, the deep black and these other people, Christians within the government and whatever, that ultimately they want to either create a war or make it seem like a war so that they can cause Armageddon and bring about the second coming of Christ.

That's how he views it. Now, that's obviously, I don't know if that's a misunderstanding of the text on his part. I don't know if he's thinking that they think that. I don't know because Armageddon is just basically it's a valley and it's a staging area for an attack. That's all that is. When we talk about the War of Armageddon, I mean, Armageddon, again, it's not a war. It's a staging area. You know, so that's just how he holds that, right?

And so he's got this misunderstood view of what the text states regarding the end. But that's what he's holding. And that's why for him, he views this. And I'm going to say, like, the guy truly has good. intentions. He believes that if we continue or the governments of the world continue to do the things that they do, and what these entities told him is, like, they're going to show up and deal with it. And like, peace will come, but it's not going to be good. You know, so he's trying to save humanity. He's trying to benefit humanity. He believes there's technologies and evolution in this that can

make us, can bring peace to the earth. That's his viewpoint. That is the religious framework, which he holds. So you can't. fault the guy. You know what I mean? He's deceived, dude. He's just, he's a deceived guy and deceive people. You know, it's like hurt people, hurt people. Yeah. Deceive people. Deceive people. So, you know, I can't perspurg the man, you know, for doing what he views is vital to humanity and it's evolution, you know. But unfortunately, his influence has serious reach. And so maybe people don't listen to him, but maybe they listen to Jesse Michaels. You know? So

within this, like you said, man, it's interesting. It's this. Do lines get blurred at all that you've seen with your operation and stuff? Like, you have Greer and you have Bledso. You brought them up.

Both from the outside looking in seem very similar in the sense of, for instance, their actions, both call these things in. You know? And they have, different belief systems behind that. You have, I don't know if Bledso is saying he can teach people, but I know Greer says he can teach people to do this. You have Bledsoe taking people out on beaches, calling in lights. And so they're doing similar things. They have different perspectives.

And when you're taking this religious framework, it's almost like this new religion has its own denominations already. Yeah. I mean, you could say that. Bledso at the end of UFO of God does give a call. Right. And what's interesting, about both of them is they're both commissioned. So for Greer, that's interesting, yeah. Yeah, both of them are commissioned to be chosen to. Yeah. And I'll explain this. So Stephen Greer, these entities actually started appearing to him when he was young. He grew up in a staunch atheistic household, and he says that that was a blessing because it allowed his mind to be open. These things began to appear to him. He started studying the Vedic texts and Sanskrit texts in high school.

and then he had a near-death experience. And in that near-death experience, he said he experienced God consciousness, two avatars, who are the avatars for this age? He said they were neither anthropomorphic or anthropocentric, came to him, and basically they said, you can stay with us, you can go back to Earth.

And he said, well, what is your will? And he says, you need to go back to Earth because there's stuff for you to do. And then after that, after he got better from his accident, he went out on a mountain to meditate. And he said he was instantly taken back up into that higher consciousness. And there was an entity that touched him on the shoulder. He was taken up into a craft. And collectively with about three or four entities, aliens, non-human intelligence, they meditated together because they wanted, as he states,

they wanted to meditate with a, with somebody that was experiencing God consciousness. And then together they developed his CE5 protocol. And CE5 protocol, CE5, close encounters of the fifth kind, is defined as human-initiated contact with non-human intelligence. So he was chosen to go back to help with disclosure,

to help bring people into unity and communication and communion with these entities, and to help bring peace to this earth through whatever they do. Chris Bledso, he has experience out on the river. His son sees some entities, terrifies him. He sees the lights.

He had to convince him they weren't demons. His son thought they were demons for appearance of time. And I will say, to his credit, at one point he does, in UFO, God say, just say God's name and they'll flee. Now, here's the question, right? Is that him recognizing the source of it? Or, like, you know, we don't know, right? It could go one of two ways with the way he states it in the book. So I'm not going to make an assumption.

on what he said because it could truly go one of two ways. After that, for the next four years, there were owls, and there were, and I know that you had talked about owls with somebody. Yeah. So owls start appearing. He's getting these apocalyptic visions. Shadow entities with red eyes are like tormenting his family, especially his older, I think is his oldest son, junior, just tormenting this kid.

And it gets so bad, you know, he's ostracized from his community. He's ostracized from his church. They're saying it's demonic. He doesn't hold that. And so he loses everybody and his family's being tormented and he loses his business. So it's just this conglomeration of bad things that occur. And so he goes out and says, I'm never going to talk about this again. It's by nothing but pain to my family. Well, that night at three in the morning, he states, he has awoken by the command to arise. And shadow figures surround him. And he says, I couldn't move. I had no ability to move. This is Blasso.

And so he is then, they dress him, they take him outside, and he's told, I knew I was going to a meeting. Well, then after they go through this one thing with him, he looks over, and he feels a blast of wind, and there's a bull. And this bull, a spiritual bull, starts charging him, jumps him, he falls to the ground, looks up, and there's a woman. And she's, there's like a circle or something of light that she's basically floating over. And she says, you can't quit now. made an agreement. Well, that's interesting because at no point prior to that, does he ever state that he agreed to anything?

She just voiced this covenant upon him. And she basically says, if you will continue the mission, basically, you speak of the phenomenon, I will allow these things to be photographed. I'll allow people external to your family to see it. And then she says that you are supposed to go and speak of the benevolence of the phenomenon. And there are forces at work that will seek to paint this phenomena in a negative light. If that takes root, then mankind will be led on a path to ruin. Mankind must awaken to a new knowledge.

So you have a man that is commissioned by an unknown entity to speak of the benevolence of the phenomenon that will then basically he's chosen to go and speak to the world of it, of her, of the mission, of making connection, that this is all good. Well, again, I'm going to say we are told to test all things, right? in 1 John 4, John says, test the spirits, whether they be from God. So if we say, hey, as we study this against the text of Scripture, that don't line up, right? Because even God, I don't remember the passage, but it says when you enter the land, do not make covenants with them or with their gods. So Chris quite literally goes into a covenant with an unknown entity, and she says,

And she demands his full trust in her, not trust in Christ. But at the same time, what's dangerous about this is never at once does she say, hey, give up your Christian religion, right? Just give that up. No, we're, no, she, so much of his book is painted, like in chapter, start with passages from the Bible. So you have a guy that has chosen to go and speak the benevolence of the phenomenon. on and those that are going to be, if we paint it in a negative light, because we say, hey, none of this lines up with God, none of this lines up with the text of scripture, we reject this, because it is not line up with this.

Then if that takes hold, mankind will be let on a path to ruin. So if the Christian standpoint takes hold, mankind will be led on a path to ruin, okay. Yeah. You know, so. Well, that's one perspective. That's exactly. But that just shows you, and I think she shows her hand there. Yeah.

You know, ultimately, for us as Christians, right? So here you have two chosen people. And there's more. So Ray Hernandez in American Cosmic. He's a guy, his wife is Mexican Catholic. He is a staunch atheist, right? So they have this thing where their dog. So I don't remember what happened to the dog, but basically there was a small craft.

It was scanning the dog. and she states within her Catholic framework if you're a bad spirit leave but if you're a good spirit or the Virgin Mary stay well any spirit regardless of good or like if it's bad like it stays under that test it's not Christocentric right you're not commanding it to leave in the name of Jesus so it stays

Ray actually says that I don't know why I was in a hypnotic state I went upstairs I laid down I came back downstairs and my wife is just dancing around the dog is healed and then later on they actually saw other craft. And what was interesting is one of the craft, he describes it having like stained glass windows, like the churches that they're familiar with, with the Catholic churches,

and there were these entities like priest's robes coming down. So they see that. And then later on, he is driving into work, I believe it was, and he is suddenly hit with what's called the download. Now, Posulka talks about the download quite a bit within her work, these where you just get this download of information external to you. And ultimately, it's point people claim, you know, it's from the non-human intelligence source, and they're just giving you information.

And he gets this download of things that is all the modalities with which non-human intelligence interacts with us near to experiences and all of these things. And ultimately, it is dealing with life after death and how this connects to that. And so then after that download hits and he gets all this information, suddenly, he calls it synchronicities where things just tend to line up. He meets Edgar Mitchell, I believe it is, the astronaut who is a big in this space and he's very, very spiritual on the Eastern practices side and stuff like that. And he also met somebody else. And then through that process, they developed a foundation of researching these things and telling people about it. So you've got

literally a guy go from atheist to events start occurring, which lead him down to very, very specific path where now he is, in a sense, a chosen evangelist for this. That's the level we're playing at. God commissions his prophets. God commissions his evangelists. I would say so to Satan. We're watching that happen in real time. These are not people saying, hey, I had an experience.

Hey, cool guys. I just want to talk about the experience. He's like, no, I am commissioned. This non-human intelligence commissioned me to go and speak of it, to research it, to tell people about it. So, right, I'm, I'm right, mine, I don't know if you can see my notes, but this, it looks like a, like a graph or something, but I just, I write notes and I circle them, then I put X's when I'm done with them.

I was just writing this down as you just stopped there. What you just described, again, talking about going back to scripture, the veracity of scripture, we see it played out in scripture. I'm sure plenty of times, but the one that pops in my head right away. is Paul. Paul was literally an agent of chaos for the enemy, and Jesus flipped him on the road to Damascus. Yeah. Like Paul, like he even says, there's no worse sinner than me. Like Paul took joy and rounding up Christians, making orphans, and he was flipped, but he was one of those. And what you're talking about is this happening in modern times. And we, we,

have these national stories, or not national stories, but national people like Greer, like Bledso, with these different stories of being commissioned and being pulled in to be the leader of something, right? But we have it on a micro level too. And that's why I asked you earlier about with your dream, did you feel like a recruitment? Because I have documented that on my show plenty of times. I've talked to people that have never been on my show who have been recruited by an entity to work for it. Yeah. People are being faced with decisions to choose sides. And if they're not even God-fearing people, that decision isn't as hard.

No. Because you're being promised and given so much stuff in response and is to a life of servitude to an entity. And people are accepting this. And there are similarities to what you were describing earlier. It was, you were talking about Sheel, who's. story was that, that you said that it was like it sounded like a gymnasium. Oh, Luke. Luke. So I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say things like, not exactly, but like. Yeah. It was like I was walking through a cave system forever. It took a long time. And then it

opened up into a very large room. They don't describe the room being full of anything. It was just a very large room. And then often, this is the detail that is not always repeatable, it, very common is that they're met in that large room by an entity recruiting for servitude. And I've even heard it described that they were, it was described to them, you're entering the throne room. Like, you're talking about thrones with Luke, like very similar things. And so what my, my, I don't want to say desire because that almost sounds very self-serving. I feel very passionate about laying out the tactics of the enemy for people to understand,

one, it's real, two, it's coming. You know you can look in this direction to look out for it, and then you know where safety's at. You know what I'm saying? And when I see what you're saying and the similarities to what of people that we know are out there and how their origin story is to the micro level of my podcast over the ears and hearing people's testimonies of similar things. It's like when you take a step back and look at, you can start seeing the tactics of the enemy. You start seeing repetition. You start seeing, oh, this is rinse and repeat. Rinse and repeat. Oh, took hold on this one. Yeah. Now we see where that

went. You know what I'm saying? And so from my perspective, what I feel very passionate about to the point of a calling is what we do here. Yeah. Laying out those tactics. Listen, it is real. Yeah. And people have to understand. It's real. This is what, we have observed to this point and your safety is in Christ. That's it. You want another answer? I don't got one for you. That's what I have? Like, well, what about this religion? What about this savior? I don't got those. The only thing I got is Jesus. And so that's the only answer I can give. I've had people over the years tell me, you know, like ask me for help on like hauntings and stuff. My answer isn't sufficient for a lot of people. Yeah. And I've had plenty of people who,

over the years say, yeah, but what else will work? What else will stop this? I'm like, I don't know what else to tell you other than to run to Christ. Yeah. Like, I can't tell you to go burn sage and do this, that, and the other that Native Americans do. That's not my practice, you know? Yeah. And so I feel like my platform, what we're doing today, hopefully, is just sounding the alarm,

zooming back, showing instances of people and figures that are being used in particular ways to be able to analyze and show people, this is what's happening. Here's what we believe is why. And taking it back to, and feel free to add whatever you want, but taking it back to what we were talking about throughout this whole thing is, this is why preparation for the church is needed. The church is grossly unprepared for the supernatural realm. It is coming and is going to smack them in the face.

They're not going to know how to handle it. And I've heard the arguments when the whole meeting thing happened and they're bach and oh, oh, oh, oh, you know, well, if they're really a Christian, pause right there. You freaking saying that means you're actually not working in the Great Commission. Because if they're really a Christian, it means that they could have been a Christian as of yesterday. Those are people we should be very concerned about when they are responding to an altar call. They hear the gospel first time. They respond.

They choose Christ. And then a day, a week later, they start hearing this other stuff and it's confusing them in their faith. So maybe a seasoned Christian, but I already say, see where your heart is, you're not thinking about the new believer because you're not striving for new believers. You're striving for yourself. I'm done. I told you guys I wasn't going to do it. Calm, calm, calm, calm, calm. So here's the thing, man, right? I'm going to back off that one. You're good. I'm done. I love you. I love you. It's okay. I get it. I get it. I felt my blood blood pressureizing. I do I was going to say something. I was going to like, Jack, edit that out.

Put that flesh down. Yep. Put that flesh down. It's pride, man. It's pride. It is. Bury. And that's okay. It's not okay. Give it to God. It's understandable. Not okay. It's understandable. Not okay. Here's what matters, right? The fact of the matter is that this belief system has legs. People are partaking in it. We've had a couple guys connected to our platform that have apostatized. Unfortunately, we have guys that are tormented. We've got guys that have partaken in these practices that have done the CE5 protocol or they've done other practices that are some of the guys are doing those. dadgum, you know, shamanistic ayahuasca trips to help with their PTSD and they're meeting things. We had one guy connected to our platform. He, you know, just through lots of different things. And he's been through a lot. I talk about him in the book a bit. But basically, once he went on that ayahuasca trip, he meets an entity and like, you're from the bloodline of Thor. And, you know, and this dude now has become an evangelist for getting other SF guys to do the ayahuasca shaman

trips. You know, so, I mean, Let's look at numbers, right? And this is why this matters. You're right. The seasoned, somebody that's firm in Christ that knows the text, but let's be honest with ourselves. Like, I love the church, man. It's my family.

It's my family. Yeah. Why am I intense? Because it's my family. Right. Protect them. I love them. Yeah.

I've been to war. I know what that means. You know, we talk about, you know, people talk about civil war in the U.S. and said, do you bend a war? I know what that's like. I don't want my family to have to experience that. We're in a war. Ruck up.

Move out. So yes, if I've got a private, I'm not going to take that private and say, you know, oh, dude, you're in charge with this whole thing. I know you're just brand into the unit. Now, obviously there are situations, whatever. Don't get me on the nuances. But like, it's going to be like, sit down,

shut up. It's a new guy on the team. They may have dadgum, you know, a couple years experience in the military. They might have a deployment about it. It's like, you come to our world in SF. It's like, sit down, shut up. Don't say a word. Just learn. There are guys, like some of my buddies, like, and they were prior service. They hit their team and they're like, you're not allowed to talk for six months. And they had like three deployments under them. Why? Because the mission set is so vast. There's so much going on and the ramifications of the things that go on with an ODA can have regional and national ramifications. it takes we say it man like it takes two to three years just to get your feet under you in group so when we look at this warfare yeah an old season dude great but if i'm taking a private has no clue what i'm doing i need you to set up this whole massive ambush i need you to run the freaking you know recon to the orp then you run the recon to the repon to the rp then i need you to run the recon to the ambush site and set in your security putting 240 all this And then you got to go back, you know, all these different things, right? And if they've never done it before, they don't know what does Wright look like. No, you're going to sit down, shut up, you need to learn.

And so the problem is right now is that, like, ultimately, and the numbers ain't good. I've talked about this on other podcasts. Only 6% of professing Christians hold a biblical worldview based on seven very foundational things. How many Christians right now that are listening to this could demonstrate to me that Jesus is the Messiah of Israel using strictly the Old Testament. Now, I know how to do it. I don't care about me.

Great, I know how to do it. Do you, do you know how to test what comes, what is said? Do you know how to test all things? Psalm 22, written first person singular of a person dying by crucifixion, to include what occurs inside the body. Also, the clothing, lots being cast for it. Daniel 9, when the Messiah will come.

The fact that the Messiah will be killed and after he's killed, Jerusalem is destroyed. That's in the 500s BC. Zechariah 9, how the Messiah will present himself. Zechariah 11, 12, and 13. The shepherd that comes is rejected, betrayed for 30 pieces of silver. The money is thrown into the temple

and the potter ends up with the money. Like, all these little things. And obviously there's tons and tons more. Can you do that? written thousands of years before. Could you defend the faith? Could you give? And yes, there's reasons for faith.

There's talking about experience and the love of God. I think that's very important. It is key. There was one guy I read about who he was a devout atheist. He was on a train. And he was talking to this little girl. And he, you know, arguing against Christianity, all these things. And she said, he said, I wasn't prepared for her answers.

How do you know that that's true? She goes, because I know that Jesus is with me and his spirit dwells. within me. He's like, I could not argue the girl's experience because she truly had that experience. And he actually ended up giving his life to Christ. But the fact of the matter is, we don't know this. I don't care if you buy the book. If you buy the book, if it is a means by which it will help you understand the belief system that is formed so that we can truly, you have a, one, so that the church can become inoculated, have an understanding of the belief system, what the biblical response is to the methods of interaction, all the different claims, the theology.

That's all I do. All I do is take all of this. Yes, I do discuss different experiences and people that we've come into contact with and some of the things that they've experienced. But ultimately, all of that is not for the fantastical, it's to give supporting evidence of like, look, it's very real, guys, and here's all the evidence from the supporting of it, that this is really going on.

But I take the religion and I take it and I test it against the text of scripture. We all have to do that. You don't need my book for that. But the point is, if it's going to benefit you from the standpoint of building up the faith so that you know how to cast down arguments that come against the knowledge of God, praise God. If it's going to help you be able to have a discussion with somebody in this realm and give reasons for faith, because that's the thing. How are you going? Yeah, long-winded, but like a new Christian that doesn't know this. And then suddenly the church isn't talking about this.

I want answers. Well, you're not going to talk about it. I'm going to go find answers. We've seen it happen. My director and I have seen it happen to people. And now you've got validation. You've got led into an experience. You've had a contact.

We had a guy who I'd been witnessing to for a while. A Jewish friend of ours connected both to me and my director for something completely different. And, man, I was witnessing to him. I was walking through the Old Testament. and he was so consumed by this. He actually, him and his assistant downloaded the CE5 app and did it on their boat. And they're like, it works. Bro, we have not been able to have a conversation since.

He doesn't want to hear it. So this is reaching millions. This is real. Okay, let's think about Sean Ryan. And I get Sean Ryan is, you know, he's going one way. he's viewing this ultimately as demonic whatever. It doesn't matter because the fact is he still had people on his platform. A lot of his listeners are not saved.

So they, like Billy Carson was on there. So now people without the framework of the Texas scripture are led into Billy Carson. He was given a platform. That's millions of people. Joe Rogan, millions of people. Lex Friedman, millions of people. News Nation, millions of people. These are millions of people.

that are being exposed to this religion that are partaking. How will you witness to them if they have had a real experience? How? We don't know this. So how am I supposed to do that? I get back into this. Screw everything else. This is God breathed.

The very words of God, the God of the universe. I've got to know this. We have to get back to this and testing all things, putting up a stiff fight for the faith once for all delivered the saints. So this is basically my pleading with my family to say, guys, this is real.

Wake up. People are dying. At what point does this not matter to us? At what point does Christ's sacrifice not matter to us? We have to get back to this. this and what we were called to do. This religion is real. These entities are real. Whether you like it or not, are you going to be a casualty or are you going to be a participant? Walter Martin in Christianity and crisis says, it has been spoken and well said. He who does not participate in the crisis

of his time, of him it may be said he never truly lived. Which you're going to be. Are you done? Are you done being that dude that sits down, plays your video games, each chow, and just goes and sits and whatever, just survives through your day? Or are you ready to start getting at it and going on mission? Getting on fire for Christ. Regardless of what you've done. Regardless of who you are. Are you ready to die to yourself and allow Christ to live through you and actually carry out what he has called you to?

because more than anything, the God of the universe, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, he is worthy of it. He is worthy of everything. And all of this ultimately comes down to bringing him on our, because if he loved us enough and loved them enough to die for us and them, where Christ endured one of the most horrific things ever by taking all the sin of the world upon himself, we have no capacity to understand that. It is time for us to actually take that seriously and start paying it lip service and go to war. I got nothing else to say after that, man. I don't.

I mean, that is what you just spelled out there is the absolute foundation as to what I feel like my life is. I know what your life is. The motivations behind what you've been involved in. The motivation is behind the book. Everything. That is 100% the foundation of everything. if people still have questions after that you weren't listening

I'd ask you for last words but I feel like what are you going to say after that I mean bringing it in for a landing I would just kind of just ditto what you're saying I mean it's do you take it literal or not do you actually believe what you say you believe you know and and this is like a little thing that I'm going down So I understand the aspects of faith, but I also understand evidence of faith.

And I think there's a whole host of people in the church, in the world, that aren't even going to church. They just say they're Christian because the default. They don't know what they're saying. They don't know that they don't spend enough time questioning, do I actually believe this? And if they question it, they don't have answers for it. They're like, I think so, but I don't know why. Like, I'm trying to, I'm in a middle of a study right now to assemble evidences for your faith. Because what you were talking about with the Old Testament prophesying the coming Messiah,

there's so much historical things that if people, if they understood how deep, deeply trenched Christ is in history alone. And when you dig into it, the nuances of his roots and certain aspects of historians, what they wrote and everything, you would one have more evidence of your faith. You'd have a deeper rooted faith because of some of the things that you uncover. And at the end of the day, you won't be coming to the table saying, do I actually believe this? you'd be coming to the table saying, I do actually believe this,

and here's why. And when you take the historical evidence, and then you take that and you overlay it with Scripture, all of a sudden it magnifies Christ in Scripture to a perspective level that you wouldn't have had if you didn't understand the historical evidence of Christ. And that builds your faith. And so I think what you're doing,

what I'm doing is essentially, two sides of the same coin. We're trying to get the church to understand the roots of their salvation. You made a decision. Great. Now you're locked. Like, military's

idea, you make a decision to volunteer into the military. Once you volunteer to get in the military, there is no, once you sign, you're in. You have to move, you have to operate, you have to train, you have to perform to a standard.

If the people start looking at their lives like this when it comes to their faith, I made a decision, I signed on, I am, I am with Christ. Now I must perform like I'm with Christ. And it's not, it's, this is not a, congratulations you graduated from kindergarten diploma.

It actually means something, you know? And so what you said, man, I almost cut it off there. I was going to be like, And that's the show, guys. But I felt like I just wanted to kind of, instead of an abrupt landing, I wanted to bring it in for landing. I'll give you an opportunity to say any last words before we get out of here. And also remind people what your book's called and stuff.

I know you say it's not about the book, but I want to say, I know the information that's in that book is going to help a lot of people to understand and frame through your own data and discoveries overlaid with scripture, how they can view the world they're about to enter into that we're all. about to enter into and that we're entering into. Yeah. So for me, the first thing's going to be, if you are in Christ, this is going to be my thing every time you've got to know who he is. You have to. We are going to stand before him one day and give an account. Paul states that explicitly. We will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. What will you hear? Will you hear good and faithful servant?

What have you built up? Gold, silver, precious stones, or wood, hay, and stubble? When fires put to it, and the day declares it, what will remain? Will you have crowns to throw at his feet? And if you are not saved, God loves you. He died for you. He sent his son. He sent his son to bear your sin upon himself.

Died, rose the third day. went through all of that and he is pleading with you through me through Tony through any other people he brings into your life through his word be reconciled to me i love i love you so much i want you in my family so badly i'm willing to sacrifice my son call out to him put your trust in christ for salvation repent of the sin that you're involved in give it up don't get healed become alive in Christ. Be made alive. That's going to be my petition.

As far as the book goes, you can get it on Amazon. It's called the Disclosure Agenda. A Greenberry is warning to the church about UFOs, aliens, and their emerging religion. Only buy it if you are going to be using it for the furtherance of the kingdom and your relationship with Christ. But you're not told to study that book. You're told to study the Word of God. So if you are not in your Bible, I don't want you to buy.

I don't care if you buy the book. I want you to know this so intimately that you know how to wield it. That is all that matters to me. Thanks for being here, man. Thanks, bro. Love you. I'm glad we were able to pull back the curtain a little bit on you. And you look good in the light.

And with the beer. Yeah, no shout. Which my wife hates. Yeah. All right, bro. I appreciate you, man. Love you, man. Hey, they said disclosure.

I said disclosure of what? Ha, okay. Okay. Show me! Light in the sky, what's that? Great little dude fall back. Big hairy thing tree line. Everybody yelling, that's a sign.

Wait. Sign to what? Who told you? You saw lights now. They know you. Uh-oh. Same old trick. Brand new face.

Different masks. Same old game. U.F.O. N.H. Man, that might be a lie. That's the Lord. In that gate. Woo.

Okay, black truck, black glass. Something weird drive past. What's in the crate? Don't know. Where does it go? Below. Way below. Need a note, that's the code.

Everybody got one piece of the show. Gray might be great. Might be a shell. Might be something you can't quite tell. Cripping in the woods like, Hey, don't mind me. Nah, bro, I'm going home. You want a sign?

No. You want to see? No. Going to woods at 303? No. Bro, I swear I saw something more. You can have that. I'm good.

Desire. That's where I starts. Little curiosity. Open that door. One turns two, two turns four now. You thought you were. hunting it? Maybe it was hunting your attention. That's the lore. That's the Lord. You should what if it's Bigfoot, man, go home.