The Confessionals - 893: The Dark Mystery Of Land Between The Lakes | Martin Groves

Episode Date: September 1, 2026

What is really lurking in the forests of Land Between the Lakes? Returning guest and retired sheriff Martin Groves joins Tony Merkel once again after sharing some of the most gripping and disturbing Dogman and Bigfoot encounters ever discussed on the show in Episode 514, “Terror In The LBL,” and Episode 538, “Dogman’s Trace Of Death.” Drawing from years of investigating the strange activity surrounding this mysterious wilderness, Martin recounts encounters that seem to blur the line between flesh-and-blood creatures and something far more supernatural. As the conversation goes deeper, an unsettling possibility begins to emerge: what witnesses are seeing in these forests may only be one part of a much larger mystery connected to forces beyond our understanding. Through the fear, unanswered questions, and increasingly strange patterns surrounding these encounters, Martin ultimately points toward God as the answer to understanding what may truly be lurking beyond the veil.If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890📕 Pre-order Tony's Book: https://a.co/d/0bJS3SaV📰 Subscribe to Our Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/newsletterBecome a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comMartin GrovesFacebook | BookSPONSORSGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyIVERMECTIN: twc.health/tonyVENICE AI: https://venice.ai/theconfessionalsRUMBLE WALLET: https://rumblewallet.onelink.me/bJsX/ConfessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media6726 Morganton RdP.O. Box #08Greenback, TN 37742SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jyorkofficialOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - Down The Rabbit HoleAvailable on Spotify

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YouTube and they enjoy the video aspect of it. We started a clips channel. So you can go ahead and find the clips channel. Link in the description below. And hit subscribe and follow the clips channel. If you want to see the highlights of what we talk about. Now today, we have Martin Groves who returns to the show and he takes us deep into the strange activity unfolding inside the land between the legs where his investigations have connected reports of Bigfoot and Dogman with something far more supernatural. Martin shares firsthand encounters involving mysterious portals, creatures emerging from strange myths, massive unexplained tracks, bizarre tree activity, and independent witnesses reporting many of the same phenomenon. What Martin describes raises a much bigger question.

Our Bigfoot, dog man, portals, and other strange activity inside the LBL all connected to the same phenomenon. We have a great conversation with Martin, so let's get to it. Martin Groves here in studio. How are you, sir? It is great to be here. I'm super stoked to be back home. How are it coming here is like coming to a family reunion and coming in and hanging out with you guys. Well, I appreciate it.

That's all, all love. How are you feeling energy-wise after the three-hour live show we did earlier today? Awesome, man. When we have such topics and such energy from you and in the group, it's just, it's energizing, man. It's good. Good. Because I did not expect the show to go three hours. I, we usually do about an hour and a half, I'd say.

And I look down and it's two hours. I'm like, surely we'll be done soon. Look down, it's three hours. I'm like, I'm going to have to end this. Yes. But it was such a topic of conversation with all of us. And it just was a super, super cool session. Yeah.

No, it's going to be good. It's going to be, it was good. I think people enjoyed it. I think we had like 1,200 people watching at one point. So good stuff. You're going to be, and by the time people hear this, it had already happened, but you're going to be speaking at the Brooklyn Mount Bigfoot Conference. And when I saw you were speaking, I was like,

let's see if Martin wants to swing by a day early. Yes, of course I would. Of course I would. Anything to come back home and see you. Yeah, well, I'm glad. I'm glad. And the door is always open. So we were just talking about Bigfoot movies.

And the, what was it called? Big legend. Big legend. Yeah. So I did, years ago, this was a long time ago when this movie came out. But the main actor, Kevin Makely, I interviewed him on the show. And I might even call it the episode Big Legend. I might have called it that. So, but that movie, it was a gory movie. Bigfoot just was like going to town on everybody, just ripping them the shreds. Yes.

And I said before we started recording, that's the kind of big foot that I know. That's the big foot that I know. It's definitely not Harry and the Henderson sitting on the couch, watching TV, eating popcorn. That is the big foot of legend, of lore. We get down to the historical references. We know it as a some tribes will say it's the forest protector. And then there's a very large percentage of Native American tribes that, of course, come out and say it like it is. You know, he was a cannibalistic everything.

was on the menu, you know, he was going to eat it. Yeah. And so, and we're both, we've spoken, we're both conflicted as to what, is there a good big foot? Is there a bad big foot? And I don't think we actually know yet. Yeah, I don't think we, I don't think anybody really knows what they are or their motives, but from eyewitness testimony, you get mixed messaging, you know?

You have people who literally think that Bigfoot is their friend. And then you have other people or legends of Bigfoot just attacking people, you know? And, you know, I know there's people that I don't know how it was to say, but they'll make excuses for it. They're like, well, you know, if you walked into somebody else's house, they did, or if somebody walked in your house, you'd attack them. I'm like, yeah, but I don't know. I mean, I've, especially on the earlier days of Sasquatch Chronicles with Wes Gürmer. I mean, some of the episodes that he had of people's testimonies that were just not good. Yes.

I think it's from his show. There was somebody who, I think they were on a kill team or somebody, it was either, I imagine it probably wasn't the person that was on the kill team, but it was the story of a kill team going out to take out one of these Sasquatch that were, I guess, or maybe a clan of them that were rowdy and that whole thing and having to, a helicopter bodies out. I think it was like in Colorado or Montana or something like that. It's out in the West, Midwest area. But then there's

this story. Also, it's an old story of an old timer who was attacked by a Sasquatch and it was on top of him. It was going to kill him. And I don't know what kind of gun it was, but he had a pistol on him that

he just point blank in the face. And I don't think it killed him, but he, like, it was eye shot kind of thing. And at least a heard it and got it away. But I mean, you hear stories like that and you're just like, I don't know, man. Like, it seems like, I mean, you walk into the woods and just because the bear is there doesn't mean the bear is going to attack you. You know what? Like, it's like you're, that's their home too, you know? Yes. And it doesn't mean that every critter and animal that walks through the woods that isn't Bigfoot, Bigfoot finds it as an invasive species and must kill because you're invading your home?

Yeah. No. And so I don't know. I just, there's a lot of conflicting testimony. to what people's experiences are, but people have experiences on both sides. And so it's like, well, I guess the world may never know, as the owl once said. It's so funny, we both have friends that sit on both sides of the aisle. I have great friends, a gentleman out in Texas that has a bigfoot end dog man that he knows or states clearly that they protect him and have saved his life.

I have friends in Alabama, Mississippi. but then I also have the opposite. And, you know, I think what drew me in to tell my story was to, I wanted to educate the hunters especially because I go at it from the angle that, yeah, there's something in the woods. We're not certain what is taking hunters. But when I heard of a lot of David Pilitis's cases, I can relate to that because I was almost a statistic myself in 1993.

And definitely was not Harry and the Henderson out there waving at me saying, hey, hey, come on in. We'll eat some pine, uh, pine oats together and then hang out. And,

uh, so when you look statistically with all of the, uh, hunters and hikers and people disappearing in the national park, uh, yeah, we can't blame totally bigfoot, but we do have to agree that there is something in the park.

It's not all humans that are hunting other humans. There's something in the park. And, you know, to the contrary of this, when I look at, and I have studied in depth, especially in Alaska, we had a gentleman that disappeared, one from Kentucky and one from Tennessee over the years in Alaska while they were hunting. And every guide will tell you that generally you're going to find something, some type of remains. of a bear attack. If a bear goes after a human, you're going to find a boot. You're going to find some,

you know, there's no other way to say it. When the scat is evident, you're going to find bits of bones, teeth, things of this nature. But the ones that disappear that are never seen again, what is taking those hunters

and hikers and people? Yeah, and not to mention in those cases where, I mean, Pilates talks about this at times where the clothes are found folded. And weird things like that. It's like, that doesn't seem right. And, you know, you talk about nefarious things in the forest. And I would say, you know, when it comes to Bigfoot, there's a lot of a split nature. Some love him, some hate him. Some think he's great. Some think he's a bad guy. Because of dog, man, people are like, oh, no, that thing is evil. It is, the only thing I've ever heard. And I've said this before, but I've, I've, heard people having good experiences with dogmen, but I've never, I don't think I've ever

heard somebody have a good experience with a dog man that was an adult. I remember the first two people I had on my show that had a good experience. There were two women, separate interviews, but they both described having positive interaction, but they were children. They were little girls when it happened. And so there's something there. But even with your case, I mean, like, you literally, your experience, you had dogman on the scene and Bigfoot on the scene. If Bigfoot was a good, and listen, I'm biased. Like, I'm, I'm, yes. Me and Bigfoot, we wouldn't get along.

So, like, I know I'm biased. But if Bigfoot was on the scene and was watching the whole thing unfold with you, like, if he was a good guy, wouldn't he step in? You would have thought that you'd step in long before that, before any. And most people have so many times have, have rewatched the control. and have watched my episode with you and they know that I discharged my weapon. I think if Bigfoot was on the good side, you would have thought he would have stepped in long before I ever had fired my weapon at a dogman or werewolf. And I find it just ironic to me that if Bigfoot is this passive force creature that is always

looking after everything and everybody, you would think they would intercede long before that. And so, you know, like you, I have mixed emotions. And I can't help but to go at looking at it from the adage of David Politis and all of his work, which by the way, I would want the entire everyone listening to know coming from another police officer. I think David Politis's work is exemplary, if I can say it right. Uh, his work is just awesome. And, uh, what he is doing and what he is achieving, no one else is done. People try to come close to his work. There's only one day with Pilatus. Yeah. And I find his work to be, uh, the, the goal standard per se in investigation. Yeah. No, I, I mean,

I'm hardly the investigator. So when I see his work, I'm like, oh, wow, that's really done really good. Because I couldn't even touch that, you know? Um, but, uh, but yeah. So, but yeah, so, the last time you were here, I can't remember what we talked to because you've been on the show a couple of times. The first time you were on the show, you told your traumatic experience. And I don't remember what the episode number was. Maybe Jack can look it up and chime in and let us know. I don't remember the number. 514.

Was it 514? Something like that. It was. That's right, because you were- Who can ever forget. You were in the stretch. You were part of the stretch of I had four episodes in a row, right? Is it 514, Jack?

Yeah. So I had four episodes in a row. It was 508 with Dr. Laura Sanger, the Nephilim Mine virus. Then the following week I had 510, which was Interdimensional Dogman. Yes. With Hunter in Middle Tennessee. Yes. Then you.

Yes. That's what it was. And then Desert Portal, Death Colt. Oh, Desert Portal, Death Corps is 512. Yeah. And then. And then Martin, I remember sitting there seeing the lineup for the next four weeks and like, I don't think I'll ever have a stretch.

of shows like this. Yes. I was, I mean, talk about a high of a roller coaster. I was like, I could, like I was literally going up the hill in the road.

I was like, this is going to be so much fun. Yes. You're climbing to Mount Everest, man. You're going to the top. I was like, I got a straight month straight of just jam-packed heaters.

It was just awesome. Legendary shows. Yes, it was. And not because I was there, but it was the subject matter and all the other witnesses and guests that were so just dynamite. And, you know, I had only watched a few shows by that time.

And, you know, I'm like, okay, all these other folks, they're so good. All I can do is come on the show and just tell what I know and what I've seen. And that's how we went at it. And very fortunate that a lot of people related to it because unknowings to me, there's so many other people out there that have had the very same thing happen. Yeah. And they were afraid to come out of the woods or come out of the woods. or come out of the closet and tell their story because of all the stigma and the attacks that would take place for a bound.

Yeah. Just for official record purposes, episode 514, Terror in the LBL. Terror in the LBL. Yes. Man, was it a terror. It was, and it was great. And I look back now in some of the things that I think about that, of course, I was still in the stage of I was very reserved. You know, I had just came out of the closet for Seth Bredlove and Professor Heather Mosier,

who she actually was the one that had taught me to come out and told me the story needed to be shared with the public. And so here I am. I'm sitting under camera. I still had a lot of court appearances where I'd had subpoenas and stuff. And I knew I had one or two cases that were still hanging. and on because they was in the Supreme Court. So I still was very reserved about what I wanted to say. And I remember coming in and sitting down and talking with you and telling the stories.

But there was so many things that I wanted to talk about, the taboo of mindspeak, the taboo of what, you know, actually using my firearm and how I felt about these creatures and beasts. So, yeah, I was really well reserved, you know, in those days. Yeah, but not anymore. Not anymore. It's like Uncle Bubba is on the prow. I'm never going to rock. I can't call you, Bubba, man. I'm sorry.

I know you just called me Martin. I just told me you. I was telling you before you. I was like you're Martin gross to me. I feel like if I called you Bubba, it would be, I don't know, it would be less than what it is. Yeah. And I think I'd gotten that term.

A lot of the kids would call me that because I used to dress up and do Santa Claus and stuff and visit. you know, old folks' homes and stuff. Yeah. And I had a lot of love with that, and they were the one that, you know, I debuted as Uncle Bubba. Yeah. So you've been active in investigating over the last several years. And you had told me several times that there have been new things that have unfolded over, you know, since the last time we talked.

And I want to just kind of let you start sharing some things that you either have. experience or the stories you've uncovered. At some point, I do want to talk to you about the lady you were with when the portal opened up and the face popped out. If you want to start there, we can start there. But I know you, we had Adam Davis on the show

a while back and he shared his experience, which by far, one of my most detailed portal descriptive episodes paired with a guy who would rather not be known as the portal guy.

You know, like, because, I mean, he, he travels the world looking for a undiscovered species of animal. And the way he approaches the topic, he wants to be taken, and this isn't a slight in his direction. It's just he wants to be viewed as serious. Like, I'm serious about this, you know? I'm trying to be professional about this. And unfortunately for him, he found himself.

in the middle of a radical portal story. Adam, we will go back to many years ago, but we'll begin with Adam. I have been actively pursuing and investigating and behind the scenes. No one knew my name other than the locals of the area of Cadas and Dover, Tennessee. But I had been investigating actively since 1993. and there were several locations that and you know because you interviewed me around 2023 and I never would speak of these things.

A lot of these locations were very near and dear to me. And plus I work on anonymity. I will not divulge any witness. If I actually tell someone that I'm going to keep their story completely quiet and behind the scenes where nobody finds out about it, I will respect that person. Just to verify that, you've told me things over the, I remember I was standing in my wife's office one day, talking you on the phone. You're telling me the story. I'm like, hey, man, I really want to talk to this person.

Like, can't do it. Can't divulge the information. I'm like, ah, you am being honorable. Jeez. It's so hard to keep that anonymity, especially when these witnesses are so great. I mean, doctors, lawyers, servicemen, service women. your average, your average, just community, pillar of the community, the person you may be seated with, that you've been in church for 20 years, and he or she has seen something, but they're not willing to come forward. And a lot of this comes from the Bigfoot world itself.

You know, we're our own worst enemy. And so the ridicule that these witnesses go through, and I've tried to change that over the years, and maybe we'll talk. about that and to come in before we leave today. But, you know, all these great witnesses that have come forth. And I kept them to myself. And until 2022, I was never going to talk about this. I came into the Bigfoot world kicking and screaming, not wanting to have anything to do with this. I was very happy just going from farm to farm, from person to person that would contact me. but one thing that that will lead me to Adam Davies, one of, well, I kind of have a leg up on some folks.

And that is because I walk in certain circles. I'm well known as being a retired police officer. And I honorably retired in 2012, 13, when I went off the books. And so I was well known by local law enforcement. You know, I went to school with these guys that ended up being sheriff in this county or in that state. And so I remember them from being a patrol officer or a deputy sheriff or a sergeant. And all of a sudden, some of my friends have become sheriffs of these counties.

And so they would give me witnesses that they couldn't do anything with. I mean, sure, they could take a report, you know, a vandalism or a sighting. But, you know, a lot of this stuff was not talked about in openly, especially in those days, from a law enforcement perspective. And so some of these sheriffs, I was well known, they'd pick up the phone and say, hey, hey, Martin, we've got something we can't do nothing with.

If you've got some time, could you come down and talk to us? We'll take you out to see a witness. And they would explain to me what had happened to them, whether if it's vandalism or, you know, they've seen something in the wood they can't explain or a hunter was attacked. And so I got a,

well known in that. And in 2016, I developed a contact with a local sheriff and we'll keep his anonymity. He actually has, he's deceased now, but he was a sheriff for many years in this area. He contacted me and said, hey, you know, we need to get out to a pastor of a church that some of his members of the church have been attacked in a very rural cemetery and land between the lakes. And one of them was, it was such a freaky story. And of course, I believe their story, but they would go to the cemetery to put flowers out and on the graves of some of their loved ones. And hedge apples was being thrown through the windshield of their car.

Now, for those folks that live in different parts of the country, a hedge apple is like a miniature grenade. It's like concrete that fall. It's a hedge apple falls off the bodock tree. And that is one of the hardest trees known to man, the second, second hardest tree. And they produce a big greenish yellow fruit and very few things will even touch them. Hogs or pigs are one thing that can eat them. but when they first fall off and they're green, man, they're like a little chunk of concrete. And so this family was being attacked.

And every time they would go to this one cemetery and it wasn't just this one family, it was other people that were stating, you know, so they didn't know if they had a vagrant or what they had. They, of course, like law enforcement, they didn't want to admit that it could be some type of a paranormal event. So from 2016 until roughly 2020 myself and another person that I really trusted, we investigated this one area because when we got to the scene and after speaking with the witness, we determined that there was something living in this area. And what it turned out to be was a clan of Bigfoot, whether if they are flesh and blood, I do not know, flesh, blood, paranormal entities. but we had a group of Bigfoot that had been seen. And one of the reasons why this story got told and ever came out was there was a businessman in the area that was fishing real close to this cemetery.

And this is along the Lake Barkley side. And he contacted me and stated, you know, my grandson and I were fishing and we're only about two hundred. 300 yards from this particular cemetery. And he said, we had contact with what we believe was a swamp ape, his description, or some type of a bigfoot entity that was walking around out in the water and was throwing rocks and green walnuts at us. And as we left my fishing hole, his fishing hole, he left his fish and he left his fish and tackle behind and he and his grandson got the heck out of Dodge and left.

And when they were leaving, one of these big foot was chunking rocks at him. And he could clearly see it in his mirror. And as they're leaving, they go across a bay. And there's an old bridge. The old bridge was built there in the 1950s, maybe 40s. And it's a very old bridge in the edge of Lake Berkeley. and he looks out into the water and he sees a very large big foot that was twice the size of the one that was throwing rocks at him. And he looks out and this huge big foot was carrying not one but two alligator snapping turtles.

Two. That's incredible. Yeah. And very brave too because I've seen how the snapping turtles come out of their body or their shell. they can actually come way out. So he described it as a monster-sized, overgrown

King Kong, packing two turtles. And so packing two turtles. And so he contacts me, and he knew me personally. And I go out to the area, and we did find a lot of tracks in the waterline and signs of something,

skinning turtles, and eating the river muscles. And there was a stack of about four foot in height, a bunch of river mussels. And so we knew we had the creature. This is the same area where the cemetery was. So you put all this together and we really start investigating. And the backstory to how we end up with Adam Davies at some point,

I knew this story was going to get out. And I felt like if the story is going to come out, then I need to be the one that brings it out at some point. So we're in the land between the lakes, and I want to say this is 2024, and we were working with Relic Films and Adam Davies and the great Greg Ogles, another very good film director. Hold on a second. 2024, what you're saying, if I remember correctly, when Adam Davis was here,

it was right before he went out then to be with you. So what you're getting into happened right after he recorded with us, I think. Yes, yes. somewhere in that time zone, that we were going into LBL. And so Greg had filmed several of us and had done some interviews, and we had been to four or five locations. And he'd done a great job with that movie.

And at some point, when we're finishing wrapping up, we were sitting around the campfire, late one night. I mean, it is cold. and you've spoken with Adam. What a great man. World Explorer, extremely common-sensed, highly trained scientific mind that, without all doubts,

I mean, this is the man that I grew up watching. Russia, Himaland Mountains, Net Geo, Alaska Killer Bigfoot up in that area. He's investigated the entire world. He is a world-class traveler, a man that I highly respect. So here I am, just an old country boy, an old Bigfoot investigator. We're sitting around a campfire, and he leans across, and he says, okay, Motton, is there anything out in the woods? Could you think you could carry me? Hold on, say, hold on.

Could you carry me to the Iron Man? You are trying, with a southern accent, trying to do a British accent. And so he's just totally, he's blown my mind, you know. And of course he calls me Motton. And so I have such high affection and respect for this man. And I was really reluctant to answer him. And because I had kept this one area away from, I've been in the woods with a dozen people.

And I never devolves the exact location of all this story I'm leading up to and telling you. And so Adam convinces me that he wants to see a Bigfoot. and is there any place out here? And he will, by his own description, I've heard his interviews that he thought he was going out to another cold, dead evening out into the middle of the woods, in the middle of nowhere, and we're all going to freeze,

which we were, we were freezing that night. And he didn't think there would be any activity. And by his own admission, even to me, that this is, he's been on dozens of hunts or dozens of investigations and never, seen anything.

And I recall vividly, we loaded up the camera crew and we're at this location of a cemetery and was within the area of Prior Bay, it's the land between the lakes. And I remember everyone is down by the one of the trucks where they're getting their big, beautiful, very nice cameras too, man. Greg has the best equipment and Adam as well. And they're kind of talking and everyone's kind of laughing. And I remember walking over and said, hey, guys, this is not a place that any place like you've ever been before.

This is quite different. Or at least that's how I felt. And in fact, in a few minutes, we would see that. So they kind of looked around and we're all, we're still smiling. I'm still smiling and talking and joking around a little bit. So while they're doing that, I just take off up the hill. And one of the things that stood out for me in 1993 and it's still. evident of today, all the Indian tribes from Alaska to the middle, mid-south, and all the way down even to Seminole in Florida, they will tell you not to go into the woods and whistle.

You have totem poles that some will clearly state you see that on the totem poles, Bigfoot clearly with a round mouth and he's whistling. Others will have their mouth is wide open and they're screaming. So all of these tribes share one commonality, and that is, don't go into woods at night and whistle. And if you hear a whistle, do not respond. I recall in 93, and that's why it stuck with me. And to this very day, I use it, I will go into the middle of the woods that I believe has contact with Bigfoot and even Dogman. and I will go into the middle of these areas as far as I can get, and I will begin to whistle. And I will do three whistles, which if they are anywhere close,

and usually I know my area like I did that night, and I began to get a response. Now, something happened that night, and that night was so much different, and the reason being is because I'd never carried a film crew. I'd never carried more than one person into this area because that one person, was an investigator that I truly, truly highly revered and respected. And he has passed on. And you can see that in the book. But he was a Cherokee elder that had befriended me down at the Belwich Cave many,

many years ago in the 1980s. And we had struck a bond. And so we had been into the area. We had gifted these Bigfoot because that's what he wanted to do. And we had established some type of a. a rapport, as a cop would say, or a relationship. And we knew our boundaries. We knew not to go to the top of the ridge.

And they never came down too close to us except for one. And it was a very, very large entity that would come down. That night we got Adam in. I explained some of the things that I've just told you. And I really don't think that anyone believed at that given moment that we were going to see anything. I went to the top of the ridge, began to whistle, immediately got a response.

I had one of my security guys that I've been friends with for years. He's a retired chief of police from another state, and he's worked with Greg, and he's worked with several of us over the years, and we've become quite fond with the guy, and he was with me. And all of a sudden, now you have to also picture it's same, time the film crew is working their way around to the side of me and I'm at the top of a ridge.

This is the same location that we would always gift. We would leave objects. If we left, say if I left five medicine bags per se containing sage, different types of meats, beef jerky, tobacco, things of that nature, we would receive five gifts in return. So if I left five objects, I got five things back. I would receive everything from catfish to turtles, one turtle toy that I still have that was made with cane and some type of bead inside. I've never ripped it open to see what they put inside.

It could be a rock, but small turtle shells. The same things that Native American Indian children would play with when they were small. So I get all these things. So this is where we've carried the Femmcourt. That night, we whistle. One comes immediately within 100 yards of us. And we can see the image.

One person did have a flur with them and could only see a heat image. At the same time, this is going on. Adam and Greg and his cameraman, we are being flanked. And if you watch the movie, you will hear Adam screaming. that basically we are being flanked because there are five Bigfoot. And I knew there were five Bigfoot. How'd you know? And because of the objects that I left, the images that I had seen in the woods from 2016.

Because they were constantly together? Yes. If you found one, you would find the rest of the family unit very close. They never got too far apart, at least from my investigation. That's what it had revealed to me. And I had good probable cause to believe this information because I only rely upon sight, sound, smell, things that would give me some type of indication on a common sense level of what I was dealing with. So at some point when Adam discovered, not only if we've got noises going on,

we've got, we have orbs in the area going on, We've got screaming going on and a very guttural growl that is just the only way to say it. And we have adult listeners, it sound like it was from the pits of hell. I mean, these were growls like I'd never heard except in 1993. So we're surrounded. So before you go any further, these growls, yes. I forget who I was talking. Oh, it was actually Hunter from the former episode right before yours.

Yes, yes. He described the growls that he heard. Initially, he described it as almost like dinosaur growls, and then he said he heard a crocodile growling, and that's what it sounded like, this deep guttural growl. Are you familiar, but it sounds similar to that? Because of the fact that I remember the video, but because of the fact that I lived for some time as a young man,

We had family in Louisiana. So I know what's the sound of an alligator or a crocodile out of Florida. And I've been to some of the crock farms where they raised the crocs for their, of course, for their hides. So if you would pair a dinosaur, a crocodile or alligator, and just some creature from the bowels of hell itself, all rolled in. And it was magnified. You could feel it. And I'm on top of the ridge. And I know what I'm dealing with.

I know that I'm dealing with what I call the elder, which, by the way, I didn't tap into the mind speaking, but we already had been given a name for this one big foot. And so all this is taking place in a matter of seconds. At some point, Adam screams that we're in a kind of a danger zone. And at the same time when they scream for us to come off the ridge, he and the camera crew were basically given a bluff charge. I don't really believe a bluff charge, but that's what people call it.

And it came directly towards them. The cameraman was rolling. Greg Ogles was present. Adam was at the very front of this. And he clearly saw what, what, now his description was, and I laugh at it because it was so true. but yet it was such a compliment to me, and I heard him say it in the interview. You know, I had to come all this way.

I've been all over the world. I've been to Russia. I've been to the Himaland Mountains. And I had to find an old hillbilly out of the state of Kentucky, Tennessee for him to have his very first face-to-face sighting with a big foot. That was his description. And that's, in fact, what happened is one of the big foot came in and charged toward him and grabbed him.

and Greg and the cameraman. And the cameraman, and the cameraman, of course, was frightened by what he saw. And to his credit, he did the best that he could. But everyone decided it was time to do a tactical,

uh, uh, removal of where we were. So at, while this is taking place, we've got, uh, entities on the hill in front of us.

From our backside and both our flanks, we've got, all kinds of stuff happening. And as we go back down to the trucks where we were all parked, we discovered we had something behind us. Well, down, down into the bay that I told you where the one big foot years ago had been taken turtles out of the bay.

So we're surrounded by these entities. And it was quite a shock for everyone for the crew. The result was shocking for. me because I had never dealt with an aggressive action from these Bigfoot. I had never personally had, I really didn't have a lot of fear other than the fact that for these periods of years that I was having contact. And, you know, we've sat here today and spoke about good Bigfoot or bad Bigfoot. Also, you have to talk about the manipulation of whether or not if they are being good to enhance interaction with a human

or to per se like we spoke of fooling a human. All these factors are taking place in a period of a few seconds. At some point we did decide that it's time to leave this area and we all loaded up and we left. Now, when you put together the years of investigation at this one site

and you put together that for the very first time that I've ever brought anyone into this site. And I also know that this was something that was spontaneous. I was never going to bring anyone there. I had no thought of ever bringing a cameraman or another crew into this area just even to investigate. This was a special site to me. And if it had not been for Adam leaning across that campsite that night and said,

Hey, Martin, is there any place that we might have interacted? interaction with a big foot. The world would have never known. I would probably have never brought it out. I'd certainly hit it from dozens of interviews and from people who had asked me, you know, about Bigfoot or dogman or anything. The good part of this is that more people got to interface or to have face-to-face contact with a beast that is not supposed to exist on this planet. and my story was able to come out, and I actually went ahead and put it in my book. And I spoke of the years of gifting, camping out in the immediate area where we knew. We had an area what I had established that I had basically stated, this is holy ground.

We have an area between us and the Bigfoot clan or the entities. and I didn't go past this rock carn that had been built. I didn't build it, but they had built it, whatever that they were. I didn't go past that, and they never breached my area and never bothered me to get real close and to make me feel like that I was in danger until that night. And I don't know if that was my fault because I had brought someone else into the area. I look at it now that I may have put everyone into harm's way or into jeopardy. Everything worked out fine.

And I know that everyone was well pleased with what they had saw and the experience that they had. Now, looking back in retrospect, what I have brought another crew in, I don't know. I might have brought them in in the daylight instead, just to, show them around and to tell them the story. I don't think I would ever take another crew in the exact same area. Since this has happened, I have been back many times by myself. They are, I have no mind speak. I've caught glimpses from my peripheral vision, but I've never had like, okay, over the ridge, there's a hairy man.

That has no longer taken place. but I've established contact again just a few miles away from them in the same exact area. So what has happened, I think, is they have changed from the prior Bay area where we were located and they've moved just basically upstream along the Cumberland or Berkeley River, Barkley Lake. I know that they're still there. I know that people are having contact up and down this side. in January of 7th, January 17th of this year, only maybe two miles, three miles by river,

myself and an investigator that I truly trust, a gentleman who is a head coach at one of the schools in the area, a very highly respected man and well-loved in his church. And he doesn't mind me telling the story. Mike Smith and I had went in. and January the 17th, we were trying to come together. We were wanting to shoot a movie, and we had been working with an individual. And so we were in the area, nonchalant. We needed a place to go and crank up with a fire.

It was cold. We had a lot of wind, and we wanted to get warm. Mike just turned to me and said, hey, where can we go? where can we park our vehicles, where can we start a fire at? We had a lot of wind. We had wind gusts that day, 40 and 50 miles an hour. I chose the wrong spot to take him. And I did tell him before we went in, I said, hey, this is kind of an iffy location.

And we went in late afternoon, started the fire, and in less than an hour, we started to have contact. We had Bigfoot, and we had Dogman in this area. But what stands out most is that we had contact with what we know to be a portal. And this leads us into the topic of the day. We've been speaking of portals and Bigfoot and Dog Man. And so we actually saw a mist form from one of the large trees. And in the midst, I noticed Mike's face had changed. And I don't tell people what to look at.

at when we're in the woods. I won't say, hey, look over there. Or, hey, you need to look up this way. I don't do parodalia very well. I just don't give people a reason to think, you know, hey, there's a face in a tree. Yeah. So I noticed that he had kind of a look, a concerned look on his face. And I had already seen what I knew was two, maybe three dogmen in the back of the woods.

Just like stalking? stalking and walking around going from tree to tree. So this one comes out in a midst. It forms like a haze at first. And it comes out of this tree and immediately forms into a dogman, clearly a werewolf creature, and then ducks down behind the tree and into a ravine. So you're saying, before you going further, you're saying that from a tree, a mist came and of the mist,

the form of a dogman. Yes. The mist actually came from inside that tree and came out of that tree, just like an old man smoking a pipe. And this mist came out. And all of a sudden, and he has some drawings on his Facebook page. He's quite,

he's a good, yeah, Mike Smith has a really good. I'm not going to find Mike Smith. That's a very unique name, you know. Yeah, yeah. There's only one Mike Smith. I was going to look about it,

but I'm like, never mind. But you can find him on my friends. page. And if you look me up to, I probably over the course of two or three months have have reproduced that or shared it per se. Yeah. So we got all this stuff going on. We've got yells and screams. And vividly, one of the things that stands out, and I get all this mixed in the order that it happens, but we have this one hideous scream. And we got cowdies in the area and we know the difference between a cowdy and we know the difference between the red wolf that is a healthy breeding population of the red wolf inland between the lakes.

We certainly know the difference between black bears and a canine creature, all these things. So, at some point we hear in the great distance a couple miles from us, we hear a vehicle start up. and we're in the area where there are a lot of hunters. This is January 17th. Duck hunting was taking place. And all of a sudden, a vehicle comes up from a couple miles away. It takes a minute or two to get to us. And we're on a road that it would take a Jeep, basically, to come up and down.

A lot of ravines. It's only a dirt and what used to be a gravel road 40 years ago. at some point this hunter has to come around up a hill and cock his vehicle to the left to go around a curve the headlamps light up the field and we look up above us and again now we have bigfoot we have a very large big foot that is standing openly in the field and headlamps is on it from this hunter Does the hunter see it? I don't know. We don't know.

It didn't slow down. It didn't stop. It just kept going. I probably wouldn't have stopped either if I'd saw that. But in any event, it continued to drive. This is the point where Mike made the decision he was going to ease over and retrieve a firearm he had inside of his Jeep. And at some point, we made the decision once again, this is their place. It's time to go.

but before we could get out of there, I was having pebbles and small rocks and objects being thrown at my suburban. Now, what has taken me 10 minutes to describe to you, this takes place in a matter of seconds. It's like bam, bam, bam, all these things combined.

And I would ask someday if Mike is ever in the area, you should sit down and talk. Phenomenal investigator. Bram, next time you know about. And he's an empath and he is able to, he's only one of very few people I know of that on the same level with me concerning we know if something's in the wood with us and usually it's a hairy big harry's a fella but um Mike is an incredible man but he made the decision that we should get out of the

area and that's exactly what we did now you think about what we've talked about today concerning portals we are having an incredible amount of witnesses that do not interface, they do not talk to each other. We didn't put anything out about that for a while, and we decided just to come on out with and talk about it a little bit because we want to generate as many witnesses that we can. So at some point in February, one of my sponsors, if I may say his name, because I mean, spot. So Jimmy Smith owns Golden Pond Distillery. I hate that guy. Yes. Yes. He's a great, great dude. So Jimmy,

Jimmy is a good dude there with the distillery and he's got like a 12 foot. But the thing about Jimmy's is skeptic. Hmm. Total skeptic. Now he's. So he's entertained by the topic, but he doesn't believe. Yeah, he's been hunting in the woods all of his life and he's really never believed in Bigfoot or Dog Manning that stuff. But because he's in the area of Cato's. he's super dude so we decide to have a bigfoot town hall meeting and lo and behold witnesses come forward and they've never spoken to me i don't know these are total strangers to me they come up and begin telling me about portals what they have seen in the middle of nowhere some time goes past we develop some more witnesses we have a second town hall meeting

a guy comes, shows up, and he has a video. I had never seen the video until I think it was June the 13th. We had this town hall at the distillery. And all of a sudden, here comes a guy out of nowhere. I've never really dealt with the guy. He has a portal opening up on either a flur or some type of light enhancing camera that he was using. and you can clearly see a portal opening different colors. This is at nighttime, and he's using this flur, whatever that it is,

and you can clearly see a tree, and all of a sudden it turns color, and it's just like it opens up and outsteps some type of an object that is upright. And from the facial features you can see, to me, it appears to have a snout. it's pretty clear that you can see ears and a snout. So not only do we have all these reports of people seeing portals, and now we have a photograph or a camera live shot that lasts about 10 to 12 seconds. We have all these witnesses that are coming forth.

They're coming to the distillery looking for me. They're calling me and they're writing me on. Facebook. So this is a phenomenon that seems to be getting more typical of contact for people at nighttime. Now, speaking of portals and what we talked about earlier, you know, me being an old fat guy, I like to eat pretty good. And something on my menu is the local flora. I love mushrooms. We were out in the middle of nowhere and we're finding Chantrell mushrooms. This took place less than 10 days ago. From now. From now. So July 23rd, 2020. On a Saturday. And it was within the last 10 days. Wow. This is on a on a Saturday and we're out. And we have a

Well, Jimmy Smith and his mother, and she's a very outstanding pillar of the community. She's a great lady. She and her husband are part of the Cato's Kentucky area. And I'm sure she doesn't mind sharing the story or allowing me to speak it. But we're in the middle of lamb between the lakes, and we're collecting all these Chantrell mushrooms. and she's in the back seat of a big pickup truck. I've been out cutting shantrails. Her son, Jimmy, is out there.

We're getting them by the bag full. Monster shantrails. There's the reason why I'm saying this. Also in the same area is the famous pawpaw trees that yield a fruit. So you have two things going for you in this area. You got mushrooms that are readily available. You have the pawpaw trees. that are going to be dropping their fruit at any time.

I mean, some of them were already almost ripe and could have been eaten if you picked them. At some point, she's in the back seat and she hollers at me and says she sees a face in a tree. Well, at first, I didn't know what to believe, didn't know what to think, you know, because she's sitting inside the truck. I'm outside of the truck, and I didn't know what she was talking about. when I turned around, lo and behold, here's a monster oak tree. This thing is one of the oldest generational of trees, old generation, old growth in the LBL. A lot of it has been cut down trees.

You know, some of the trees are only 50, 70 years old. This was old growth. You could tell it's been here for hundreds of years. I look up and here's a face as if it's a 3D, all in. in a mist or gray. Now, understand, and I've told you before, I'm a little colored blind. So a grayish white mist,

and you can see clearly almost like a 3D effect. Here is a face coming in and out of the tree, like it's doing this, like it's pulsating. Well, I'm looking up at the sun, and I'm trying to determine, could the sun be reflecting on something? What's the answer to this? phenomenon. And if I go with the definition and what Adam Davies has taught me, there has to be a

scientific explanation for what I'm seeing. But there's not. And then it disappears into the tree, and I look up at about 10 to 12 feet. I have huge, extremely deep claw marks coming vertical down the tree from about 10 or 12 feet up. Now, a bear, you always heard all of your life, a bear hug. a bear will come around the tree. This was vertical coming straight down, not horizontal. And so I'm looking at these claw marks, and I walk over to the tree to see what it looks like. And I can't believe what my mind has seen.

So I'm touching the tree. Of course, this face was many feet up above me. I turn around. I walk back to the truck. And at the same time, I'm hollering for Jimmy, who is the driver, and he's in his bliss. He's out in the middle of the wood. woods and he's clicked in shantrails.

I jump back in the truck and I'm having a conversation with Miss Susie and I call her Mama Susie and while we're sitting there talking and she is flabbergasted. You know, she's never seen anything like this in the woods. So she's looking at me. I'm looking at her and she says, there it is again. I look over to this very same tree and it's only 20, 30 yards away from me, the same phenomenon takes place. Whom.

Whom. So it's like zooming in and out? Zooming in and out. And I'm looking at it and my eyes cannot believe only the face. And to me it looks like a large face of a big foot. And this thing zooms in and out and then disappears again. And you can see the claw marks in the tree.

Now, the guy that I'm with, which is her son, is at one point was a total skeptic. but because of the the phenomena that have taken place since January and it's going to get better here in just a second. Jimmy,

all of his life has been a hunter in the woods since he was a child. Now you haven't picked up on and I'm going to go ahead and tell this story. Susie Knight,

how many people have ever been in the woods that have been a hunter that it's walked into those woods with a knight and hell? game call. I'm talking about the Knight family, the Knight family from the area of Cadiz. Susie is married to a gentleman, a Mr. Knight that has been a hunter all of his life. These are hunters.

These are real men. Jimmy Smith, their son, is a stepson. Jimmy is somewhat skeptical. So he leads me into an area that he's been feeling pressure. this is only a few miles from this very same place. This is a secret of location that he doesn't give to people. He doesn't talk about chantrails, morel mushrooms earlier in the spring,

pawpaw, blackberries and elderberries. This is an entire abundance of everything that grows wild in the land between the lakes. Jimmy has been having all kinds of like pressure when he goes in there looking for his goodies that he's going to eat and of course, you know, use. And he fills this pressure and anxiety. Again, at this time, Jimmy does not believe in these creatures.

And he's looking for answers. He hears all these people. We're in the woods and he takes me to the location of his spirit. special patch of berries and fruit and all the above. As soon as I get out of the car, his truck, a very nice truck in the middle of nowhere, you cannot excess the majority. The majority of people in this area that we're going to is jeepsters because it's that bad of a road.

Jimmy's a very experienced hunter and driver. And so we're in the middle of nowhere. I step one foot on the ground. I get a tree knock from the ridge above us. Jimmy just looks at me and doesn't, just doesn't pay any attention because he's not a big footer. Before we can walk 30 yards towards the berry patch, we have more tree knocks.

We have between, we found several tracks going back to where the elm trees are, and we have a bigfoot highway from Lillibitty Bigfoot, That don't sound right. The big feats, the little big feats. The little ones. The little guys on up to 17 and 20 inch was one of the great big one. Wow. Now, this is all in the same area, everything I've told you.

At some point, we find a hunting blind that is not made by man. If what made the hunting blind in that area is a hillbilly or a hunter, I don't want no part of this. I mean, you hear the banjobs playing. land. And so there are trees knocked down, 20, 25 foot trees, piled together, and there is, there's no, there's no tree, uh, chainsaw marks or axes in them. These are twisted, broken trees, and they form a blind real close to where his, uh, mushrooms and berries are. Now I've set the stage for you. I've got a gentleman now that has seen tracks, uh,

which by the way, these are six-toed tracks. They're not five different. There are six digits. I'm brushing leaves out. I'm following this highway through this area. Flash forward, we bring in a film director that we're friends with. We are traveling within a quarter of a mile of this very same area within two days of discovering the tracks. The film director, his name is Rick Reble, history highway, all types of. of Patriot and historical films under his belt.

We're traveling and he screams out, stop the truck. Tony, we find a tree that is somewhere in the area. Those pictures are on my website. Between 37 and 40 inches in circumference. A tree broken about 10 or 12 up. There's no root ball. It's broken. Completely broken.

And it flips us out because as we approach the tree, we find out it's not weather-related. This didn't get broken from a freak storm or a wind. This is a tree break that was made by a massive creature. And below this tree that was broken, we have 20 inch, 20 inch by 8 inch in width, 20 inch in length. Clearly, Bigfoot with six toes. This thing was massive. I'm 300-pounder. I can't make any dent in the dirt.

Whatever this was was sunken down in this hard, compacted dirt. There's no water. There's no mud. This is hard dirt. And the depth of whatever made these tracks. And it clearly shows one foot is steady. the other one is where he's pushing against this tree. It goes from that to we bring somebody in out of a group out of Florida.

The lady's name will just use her first name, Marie, and she has a group in Florida, Florida Bigfoot people, and they happen to be in the area, and we took them out a team of five or six just to observe what we found. Now, everything I've told you is within a five mile radius. Five mile radius. All this activity, portals,

tracks, broken trees, X structures, hunting blinds created by something other than man. Now I'm going to throw at you that the fact that all this has taken place that I have a friend that uses this area as a research, one of the cemeteries. And Greg is a very good man that I trust.

he's in his late 50s, early 60s. He was in the very same area, and he started feeling pressure, did not leave. The next thing, he catches a grenade in his chest. A huge granite rock. The rock, I've seen a picture of it, is probably like this. Hit him in the chest? Hit him in the chest. He ends up in the hospital.

Yeah. He does tell the doctor, he doesn't say that it was an animal, but he tells the doctor that, whatever through it, he was in the middle of the woods and somebody was chunking rocks at him. So, I mean, it's hideous. He shows it to me, he shows it to Charlie Raymond, other people in the group that has seen. And we believe the gentleman. I know that he's hunting or researching in this same area where this huge monster alpha, Bigfoot is.

So there's your story with that. I know it's long-winded, but we got it all together. where so you can give a concept of what has taken place since January to July of this very date right now. It's been a busy year. It's been a busy year. It's been a busy year so far. Yeah. And it's just getting started.

It's just getting started. I mean, you've got a whole other half to go yet. I mean, I was writing some things down. I mean, this is interesting. I find this whole thing. And it was officially the five mile radius of this, was this LBL official? This is all land between the lights. Okay.

So this is still, man, LBL is active. we can talk about this after we're done recording because I don't want to get sidetracked, but we're driving out to Missouri for a conference I'm speaking at. And we're not flying for many reasons, but one, because we've just got to bring a lot of stuff with us. And Derek was considering us stopping in the LBL. Awesome. Oh, okay. Awesome.

Awesome. Awesome. I hope you guys will give me a call and let me. let me come out and show you a few things. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, I would enjoy that. I really would. I'll tell Derek to work it in the scheduling

if that means that we're late for something else. Yes. But, okay, so, where is it going? Okay, so it's LBL. I wanted to make sure that was clarified. Yes, yes. I found a couple of things interesting here.

So, I'm trying to think which way to go about this. Okay, so the, let's just go. with the mushrooms first. Okay. So you guys were looking for, what's it called? Shantrell mushrooms. And then you brought up the Morrell mushrooms? The morels usually come out, you know, early, sometimes May, sometimes June. The Moral mushrooms are already, they've dried up, they're gone. So now comes the second batch of mushrooms, which are called chantrails. And I mean, they were phenomenal this year.

The rain had hit really well, and the chantrails are like a trumpet. And they come up. up and in the West or like Washington, Oregon, they're different colors. These can be a yellowish orange per se, and they are phenomenal. We love them. We love eating them. So this is an area that has this activity. Yes. And these mushrooms.

I find interesting. It might be just a coincidence. But we went out to Washington and we shot a documentary. Yes. And one of the people we talked to, she and her boyfriend, and I think it was her, somebody else. They went out looking for morale mushrooms. And there was a spot where they just had like a really good spot. It was like it was their spot.

And they arrive on scene and they were deflated because they saw a guy on a hill digging up their mushrooms. And they're just like, oh, man, like somebody was already here. until this thing stood up and looked at them and it was massive. And she said it did something that doesn't seem like natural. Instead of it turn around and walking away, it's facing them and it gets down on all four without turning around.

So now its torso is actually facing up. So it's arms are back like this. And it goes down and it walks up the hill while it's looking at them with its torso up in the air. Yes, walking backwards. Right. And so I wonder, and this is going to sound goofy, I'm not trying to be goofy, but I wonder if these things have an affinity for mushrooms.

The commonality or the common denominator here, which I've already went with, I'm with you. I've come to the same conclusion. Now, we have the paw paw plant, which is the fruit. We have the Muriel mushrooms of early spring. We have the chantrails. We have the blackberries and the elderberries, and there's some other different ones, but all these things are coming to be ripe. And then if you want to throw in and get really wild, I have the, what I feel is a very good common sense approach. You have the Ohio mass migration of being seen along the rivers and the farmland two months earlier because everything is coming south,

because the berries in the south and all this comes out in the early stage. We get everything, the ripen fruits, the ripen berries, and then they just simply go back up north. For those that do have the idea of migration. Well, these things do eat at some point. They love mushrooms. So, yeah, you're right on target. The common denominator is the mushrooms and the different types of berries. That's interesting.

And the fish in is great too. I believe that. These things fish. These things fish. Was it the LBL? There was, I think it was in the early 1900s or maybe early 1800s. There's such a massive earthquake that the Mississippi wound up flowing backwards. And it created a lake that didn't exist.

And I think it's at the top side of the LBL is where that lake is. It's less than an hour away and it's a real foot lake. And it was created by the. The earthquake, right? The reversal of the river. and after the Mandarin fault breaking earthquake. Hopefully we never had that again. Oh, gosh, yes, man.

I hope that is. We're currently, I think scientists say we're like 40 to 100 years. It strikes ever so many 100 years, and we're currently due another Mandarin fault, another earthquake. As if this world doesn't have enough problems. Yeah, yeah. Now we got to look forward to another earthquake. Maybe we'll have another like. form, maybe. Yeah, yeah. Just keep it on that side of the state. Yes, yes. The opposite side. Yeah, I just, I want to live in

peace for a little bit. So the, the mist, okay, so earlier you brought up, not this recording, when we were talking earlier today, you brought up this idea. I wrote down here on another piece of paper here, blue, silver fog. Yes, yes. Is this what we were talking about? Yes, it is. Yes, it is. So you're saying the mist that came out of the trees was like a bluish silver? What come out of the tree was totally like a gray white. Okay.

Now when we're talking earlier off camera, I refer back to the 20, 23, oh man, I'm getting old. The 22 or 23 incident in which Daryl Denton and myself were on the backside of the hidden Buffalo prairies, which is actually south

of North rushing Creek. And that's where we saw a dog man come up out of a ditch in a portal. And that color for me was a silver, purple blue color. And man, that story can't be told without talking about the purple owls of land between the lakes either. The purple owls? Purple owls, man. And this is, if, if all this did not freak you out, now you have to go to the owls.

But, um, so this purple, uh, gray mist, silversish gray mist come up out of the portal. And this is where we had contact with a dog man that was between, I want to say approximately, Darrell tells it a little different because he's the one. He's the one with his arm hanging out to one on the same side, the dog man comes out. So. Not a good situation. No, it's not a good thing because it was on his side of the road.

But this thing was eight to ten feet in height. It never touched the ground when it walked. It was like watching a 3D something off TV. Also, keep in mind, this was before AI hit the public. So could it have been some type of, it wasn't an illusion. Could it have been some type of military thing? All I know is what I saw. I can only tell you, and this is where we go and we talk about,

earlier we spoke about the scientists that was studying the smells that witnesses have. and the truck and cab. The different levels of the hell? Yes, the different levels of hail by the smell of the sulfur and the smell of these entities, dogman or a bigfoot. And he's convinced that they come from the different levels of hail or Hades. And you can attribute that level to the smell of this animal or entity that comes up. But that's where the silver purple thing,

But now you have to go also to one witness that would be a reluctant witness that I was with. And I was with the lady when we saw it together. But other people have seen this. People report hearing something walk through the woods that is so heavy that it sounds like gargantuous or King Kong walking in the woods. You can't see anything. It will be just a few feet away from you stomping in the woods. And all you can hear on the ground level is this monstrous chest-shaking owl hoots, like a barred owl that is on steroids and weighs 7,800 pounds.

Other people have seen huge four to six foot in height, which is huge compared to the, what, the great horned owl out of Canada that sometimes makes it down. but these things are purplish in color. This will flip a lot of people out, but this occurred 23 in the fall. Right off Russian Creek, in the exact area of my 1993 encounter, we had heard something come off the Russian Creek Cemetery, which is just above us. And we were standing out by our cars, and we kept hearing what we thought was, was some type of a large bird.

Now, this is dark. This is dark, very dark. And so we can hear something flying above us. And at some point, it starts misting rain a little bit, and we jump back in the lady's car. We're there with several other investigators. And so we jump back into the car, and it's raining some. As we're seated in the car, we got the windows cracked a little bit,

and I hear something. I didn't see anything, but I did hear something outside the car. And at some point, a very large owl sat down in front of us that never lifted its wings. It was if I picked up one of those tractor home and supply, monster-ass owl figures that scared, you know, you put them on your roof, you put them on your barn, and I had painted it purple. This thing sat down in front of us, never lifted a wing, and you know, You know how they'll come in and swoop, stared at us, its head moved, cocked left and right, and all of a sudden, same thing, not a wing moved.

It just rose into there like somebody with a great big, gigantic hand, reached down and picked it up and took it vertical up into the air. Now, I know this sounds crazy, but people are reporting seeing purple owls, including on the bridge coming outside of Katie. and then the bridge that goes into the area of Fenton. People are reporting seeing huge owls on these two bridges. The local police have gotten calls on it. Matter of fact, somebody was arrested about a year,

maybe a year and a half ago in the summertime because they were convinced what they had saw on top of the bridge was a monster per se. And three or four boys, young teenagers were standing outside the car. and was shooting their rifles at what they thought was a purplish in color. I laugh because I don't want to think. Mothman. And so, I mean, this is all this is like, I think Greg Ogles said it best.

They were taping him one time for one of his movies. And I remember in the interview, and he said it best. the land between lakes is like a culmination of all things paranormal and all things that take place of the abnormal and paranormal. And that is not a direct quote. That's pretty much what Greg had to say. And I have to back him up and I truly believe in that very same thought as well. Anything paranormal, anything crazy that takes place, that's where it is.

But that's just. the breakdown of just a few things that have taken place in the past few years since I've been in the last two to three years that have taken place. And that is so much more. You would not believe how many witnesses that I've interviewed and spoke to and sat down with, just like we're setting the cross, husbands and wives, families, farmers, and then the hunters. So, Okay, now I have more. So, all right. It's mind-blowing to me.

I wrote some stuff down here, man. So, okay, the owl. It's funny because earlier today, we were doing a record, we were live for Slinghot Nation, and we brought up Lilith at times, and we brought up Bo Kennedy for the Bump Cut podcast, talking about Lilith. He believes that the Mothman is like an archetype of Lilith.

Yes. And there's also the argument made that owls are archetypes of Lilith. What you saw was not a normal owl. No, not by no means. There was something supernatural happening. There was something, it wasn't, I don't believe what you saw was an owl that hatched out of an egg one day. Not at all. How tall was this?

The one that was in front of our car that came off the Jones Creek, Jones, Creek is just above rushing creek. To get to Russian Creek camp, you have to go down the road that takes you to the Old Jones Creek and the Russian Creek Campground. That is closed now and the bridge is closed. So you take a left and you turn and you're going to Russian Creek, which is exactly where my location was from many years ago. So we're setting at the edge of the roadway, maybe 50 yards off of that road, down a

dirt and gravel pathway. That's all it is is a pathway. Above us, which is the ridge when you listen to my story from 1993, I will describe the huge ridge that is behind my camp. That's where this creature entity or this monster purple owl came off. I'm going to estimate the owl was between four and five feet in height. The owls don't get that tall. Ows do not get that big, even when you consider the hairy little ears of the great horn owl. Okay. It's just, it's not a normal creature. All right, Martin, I'm going to venture some things out here to you. Yes, yes.

And what I'm about to say is not, you take it or leave it, okay? Okay. Are you familiar with the idea that there are people that will see owls, and it turns out that they think that more than likely it was a screen memory? Are you familiar with the idea? Yes, yes. So people will say that, you know, there's, sitting in a car and a big owl is sitting in the road and two people see it, but they see

two different things. One person sees an owl. The other person sees a gray alien. You say you saw a giant, let's just say four to five foot tall purple owl that didn't flap its wings to land and it didn't flap its wings to leave. It just went out. To take off. There's no wings. Martin, I'm just going to tell you something, man. You can say, no, that's not true. And that's fine. That to me sounds like a screen memory of something else that might have happened. Are you sure, have you ever considered the fact that maybe you were abducted and what you are remembering is just a screen memory that was given to you? It could be because, see, I'm an open-minded guy. I have an open mind. And it could be some type of a screen memory, especially when you consider

that I'm seeing something ascend to the sky. Like an alien would be going back up to a ship. Exactly. And I would think that if there was no time, there was no time loss, the lady that was with me was a very experienced paranormal person. And she saw the very same thing. I'll never forget that she turned and she looked at me. She said, Bubba, are you seeing what I'm saying? And I'm just shaking my head. And I turned to look at her and I said, what are you saying? And she said, it's a purple owl. And so if I'm, imagine how ridiculous you feel at saying. So if I'm by myself, I would not think anything about this. And I could actually, I won't do it because we all, some of the other folks with us, we're not no longer connected with one another. But we had a very experienced team that night. So it wasn't just you two.

It wasn't just you two? We were by ourselves up front. I had just experienced an operation. So I could not traverse going down the creek and crawling back. up again. So the rest of the team were in the back. And they, they, they had experienced some things out in the woods that night as well, which would be more related to dog man. When I look back now, and especially after we all spoke today, but you have to understand that time after time again, I have spoken to many witnesses in the land between the lakes area.

And then when you get up further north along the Ohio River, people are experiencing, in sin, they first hear what they believe is a very heavy presence in the woods, like weighs a lot is what I'm trying to say. It's very heavy and it's stomping. And then all of a sudden they look up and they look in focus and they see a very large owl. Now, make no mistake. It's not a thunderbird. It's not some other type of a creature.

And then the owl will simply do. disappear in front of their eyes. Now, could it have something to do with, as you stated, abduction or some type of memory where they've had something happen to them? But I'm finding more commonality between the witnesses that they're all seeing the same thing, a purple owl, very large, with the capability of shaking your chest when it gives a hoot or a screech. Now, we must, if we have an open mind,

and I think in along my mentor, what I call very respectfully, Sir Ronald J. Moorhead, just because I see an owl, doesn't mean that's an owl standing in front of me. It doesn't mean that there's a big foot standing in front of me or a dog man. It's whatever my man,

mind is being told is standing that there is something standing there but it's projecting being and it's projecting something but there's too many witnesses stating that they've seen seen this monstrous out for instance in wrangler campground there are a lot of folks that report hearing uh several owls in the in the neighborhood of their tent or their cabin and they will exit their tent or cabin and come out and they're still hooting everywhere everywhere. There's no foliage in the trees, but there's not an object there, even though they can hear the owl. And they're looking up everywhere. You know, you and I would anticipate looking up, and there's an owl in the fork of the tree. But the noise is just not coming from the tree. It's on the ground. Yeah. So that is a typical, I've had many witnesses tell me this, too.

is owls are so that i mean the lines are blurred uh these topics i don't believe are all separate thankfully i had the foresight to make dogman and bigfoot in the same scene like behind us because yes these these these are not separate topics uh and i would say even down to the owl idea is not a separate topic it's all connected it's all connected it's all fused together we we had um i had mentioned to you i don't know if it's on this this recording or the live show, but we had that experience where we were charged by an invisible force. I mean, I, Martin, I know you haven't seen the footage yet. Maybe if we can pull it up before you leave the day,

I can show you. But I have it on video. It's not my, legally, it's not my video. I don't own it anymore. So, like, I can't, because it's going to be in a future documentary, and it's out of my hands. But I can show it to privately. We were charged. in the same area as Scott Carpenter investigated is about two,

three o'clock in the morning, right? Yeah. And it ran right up to us. And I have it, I have it caught on on audio.

And the, this thing charges us. It runs right up to the camera. We see nothing. Mm-hmm. And there's this loud scream behind us,

loud scream. Mm-hmm. And then what you hear is these hooting owls. Yes. And you'll hear, you hear us on the recorder because Jack and Ward were back at base camp. They heard the interaction. They thought we were clowning around. And you hear either me or Jack or me or Joel say, I think it was Joel. They called in and Joel was like, there's freaking monkeys going off around us. Yes. In person, it sounded like monkeys. But

on the recording, it didn't sound like monkeys. It sounded like owls. And so there you go. There's the manipulation of the technology. Or was there manipulation of the technology? Was it that we were presented something in person that we perceived a certain way because we both heard monkeys? But it wasn't that.

It was just owls or the sound of owls. But in person, we were presented to experience something differently. It was a very bizarre night. the so the owl connection there there there's so much there i'm still not convinced that something didn't happen to you i'm just going to be honest because i i because if you said that the other people had dogman activity that same night on another location all that whether it was an abduction or a purple owl that stuff is all connected to my mind i don't think that's those are two separate instance. It's all fused together, everything that we've just discussed. This is all,

and it is typical by definition, land between the lakes. Right. Yes, and the area around it, because we can't, we can't define land between the lakes, and it just says it's the peninsula. It's the area all the way from Indian Mount Tennessee, all the way up to the Ohio River and the dam, and then when you go across the dam and you go up into the Green River area, Barton, Nunley has chronicled so many stories of the owls, the Thunderbirds, he's got a big foot dog band, just everything. Yeah, I got to get Barton on the show sometime. Barton, we've got to, I don't know how we're going to do it.

If I have to kidnap him, I would bring him here and drag him. One thing that would get him if I fed him hot dogs in Hamburg. If I can feed him hot dogs, he'll go with me anymore. Let's get to go fund me going to fund this journey of hot dogs in himbers. You bring hot dogs. and wave some smoke from a campfire, and I probably could get him here. They'll play some dogman howls, and he'll just follow the howls. Or the worst case scenario, we pack up all the cameras.

We drag him all the way from Henderson County, Kentucky, and I'll bring him down, and we'll start a campfire and just turn the camera on and let him talk. Yeah, we'll turn the cameras on and the bushes. I doesn't know he's being recorded, and they'll see their little red light. He's like, there it is. They're watching. I'm like, no, no, no, it's the camera. There it is, you know.

But, yeah, so I want to hit this mist thing again. Yes. We came out of a tree. And there's a lot of different people's accounts of portals and trees. Yes. And I feel like that's becoming something that I've been noticing more and more. And I don't think it's something that's on the rise as much as I'm noticing it more. I'm starting to notice it.

and I pulled it up. We had a father-daughter duo here last year, Patty and Patrick. He was a shaman a long time ago, not anymore. And we had a great conversation. But he talked on the episode, but even in a text message, he gave more information. I'd have to find the text message. but trees are a very spiritual thing in the shaman world. Very sacred, very sacred, yes.

And he said that he would, so, all right, he would travel between realms using different landmarks. And he did mention about how if he was going to journey to the upper world, he would use a spruce tree as the means of ascending during. one of his journeys and he saying he would go up he would go up the tree into the upper realm and so I had asked him about the idea of trees before and he gave me a lot of information about the idea that trees are basically like a highway between the upper realm and the lower realm and you can use trees to portal in and portal out. essentially as a human.

Yes. And so these entities, I'd imagine, are doing the same thing. Of course they are. And we have to go back to hundreds of years of mouth to ear, true historical remarks or stories carried down from generation to generation from our Native American brothers and sisters, where these entities come and go and live within the tree. But if you do that, you also got to tie in why that the avenging angel or the angel Michael was sent to chop down the trees,

pre and post-flood, pre- and post-flood, which goes into the books of the 18 books that were taken out of the Bible. But if you look at it from a Native American Indian, standpoint from Alaska, again, to the Seminole, we have the stories of these entities living within the tree. Now, something I did not bring out, I do discuss very briefly in the book, but for years, now I have another chronicle of study that I've been, you know, I've got scientists and doctors on one end that will tell you their expertise and story is they study the eyes

and the color of the eyes of the Bigfoot and Dogman that will level the severity of the attack you're going to have, the color of the eyes. They're able to, with their study and philosophy, that they're able to tell you what that beast is by the color of the eyes. Then I have the ones that are studying the levels of hell and the smells of sulfur. Then we go to the trees.

And for many years now, I have studied and compiled witnesses, witness after witness, that from the time they were children, when they were small children, that they were able to communicate with a spirit inside the tree. And that the spirit inside the tree actually would speak to them. They never saw the spirit. They could only feel the spirit, and they could talk back and converse with the spirit.

thus what I have on the top of Prior Bay where the clan of five were and the three trees that we distinguished as what we call the Holy Trinity trees that are above their huge pine trees that we have received communication out of these trees. So not only have I experienced and I can look at you face to face and tell you what I've experienced. I have people that from the time they were children will tell stories about how the tree entity or the tree spirit spoke to them. So how far off are we with a witness like me or some others that kind of coincide per se with the Native Americans stating that the forest people or the protectors of the forest live and dwell within the tree? I know this is in depth, and we certainly didn't start down this highway, but we went all the way from dogman, Bigfoot, to possibly UFO or UAP activity. You mean your abduction? Yeah, some type of abduction. And now we're talking about tree spirits.

Yeah. Well, it's funny because I have not thought about this episode for a long time. I had to look it up just to make sure it actually existed. Episode 19, I talked to a lady named Casey, and I called it the tree sprite haunting. And I don't remember a lot of details, but I do remember being introduced to this whole idea of a tree sprite. But I remember this thing coming into her house, opening the windows, opening the doors, coming in, all this wild stuff. And now I'm thinking I need to re-listen to that and maybe even reach out to her and say, hey, can we have another conversation? I know it's been like a decade, but...

And the thing about it is for me, I would love to sit down and just listen to her. Yeah. And, but how about a lady that walked up to me one day at one of the many conferences I had worked? She walks up to me and she says, Mr. Groves, are you an empath? And I said, I looked at her and generally empaths

can just look across from the room. And oh, God, if I could ever mention one of the greatest impasse and true mind readers, two come to mind, Jessica Jones, but the one that is so huge that is definitely Stephanie Bingham, the lady, if you've ever watched the Lizzie Borden series, where she is a true psychic and just astronomical. But people like this, I had an empath walk up to me one day, and she was speaking to me. and she began to tell me that from the time she was a small child that she's had a guardian angel and it lived within the tree on the farm that they lived on and then even when she moved off that this entity now I don't know and you don't know what it is

was it a good entity or bad she seemed to think that it was a very good positive entity and she called it her guardian angel who knows I don't know but she was a true empath, and I could feel that her sincerity level, and especially when she broke down and started crying about that she could tell nobody, because people would think she's a kook or she's, you know, send her down to the funny farm, give her some medication. For those people that don't know a true empath or someone who can actually read your mind, A very short story about a wonderful young lady.

I've met her many times. Stephanie Bingham. She's out of Louisville, Exeteria, in Kentucky. She can read your mind. She knows what you're thinking. She can look at you from across the room, walk over to you, and begin to talk to you. Now, I've met her many times.

My wife is extremely fond of Miss Bingham. and if I ever met a true a person who could see back into history or someone that could see in the future, I think Stephanie Bingham is at the top of her game. And I would strongly suggest look her up and watch and listen to some of her work. And she would be a phenomenal person to interview.

And I can assure you this is, the real thing. She is one of the best I've ever met. Stephanie. Bingham. Bingham. Out of Kentucky. Out of Kentucky. Out of Kentucky. Lexton, Louisville area. When you listen to her or if you ever get to meet her, sometimes especially now, it's a great possibility that when we all end up going up to see Lee Kirkland this year, Stephanie typically will visit some of Lee's conferences. and a beautiful young lady, red hair, and constantly is just, when you see her, you know you're looking at a lady. She's dressed from head to toe, full dress, and just extremely, when you think of the word L-A-D-Y, a lady, this is who she is, holds many degrees, doctrines, one of the most intelligent human being.

I've ever met. And, you know, I don't say that about a lot of people. I speak of Ron Morayette. And Stephanie Bingham. I mean, these are two extreme. And who now? And you never said it about me, so. And, hey, but certain we get this, uh, Jack over here that this, this guy that I know

that's extremely intelligent. Who is that? By the name of, and highly handsome Tony Merkel. Oh, jeepers. Oh, yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah.

Perfect. Thank you. You can get this any day. Just buy me off with pizza. Totally. Totally. didn't expect that. Yes, yes. Well, I think, I think

I think we're going all over the place right now, but when it comes to this, this tree stuff, there is definite connection to trees being some kind of highway that is being used. I believe it's a conduit, a spiritual highway of some type. The portal you saw open up with the dog man that

came out, that didn't have anything to do with trees. It It was just the fog, right? The mist? It was, but here's the real weird kicker, and I'm smiling at you. So after this thing goes behind the pickup truck, turns the entire area into the smell of battery acid and sulfur, it goes across the field behind us, never touching the ground, never touches the ground.

It ascends above the field, and we're talking about a field that probably has five foot in brush. it goes across the top of this and we're looking at it and where does it go into it travels through the trees now this thing is never touching the ground Tony and it goes across this huge field

small town monsters uh Seth took us out there and we looked at the field and we looked at the woods where this thing went up into the tops of the trees now is it flying is it climbing is it jumping

I don't know. But when this thing goes through the trees, it sounds like a small bulldozer or one of these things you see that the highway department uses to cut down the trees and chop them back away from the highways. It is wreaking havoc through the tops of these trees and which is incidentally the top of one of the ridges, the highest ridge, and it is the devil's backbone through that. but again, the trees come into play. Yeah, and the name says it all. The devil's backbone. The devil's backbone. I just think that there's fascinating connections to all this.

The last thing I'm going to say about all this, and then we'll bring it in for a landing here. I recently heard, now, I don't think I've ever experienced this. And maybe you've seen it or heard of it. I know you didn't, I mean, you live out on the other side of national. So I know you're not like at the foothills of the smokies or living in the smokies. But, you know, they say the Smoky Mountains got their name for the mist that is in the mountains. And I recently heard somebody describe it as, well, they were talking about how I guess science,

scientists still can't explain or project when this fog is coming in. It just seems to come out of nowhere. And they described it as a, and that's why I brought it up way in it earlier about the blue silver fog. Yes. Because I remember they described it as the Smoky Mountain fog being like a bluish color. Yes. I don't remember seeing bluish color when I look at the mountains and I see the fog.

But maybe I'm not seeing the right fog that they're talking about. But what I found interesting is I didn't know that science doesn't understand or understand why this fog just seems to kind of come in and go out kind of thing. and I'm wondering. It comes and goes without weather effect. It can be in winter. It can be in summer. You hear constant stories from the 17, 1800s, and we hear the Blue Ridge Mountains.

We hear the great smoky mountains. I do recall a journal that I had read that had a bluish purple effect over the town of Cherokee. And so you have all these accounts, hikers, hunters, but mainly hikers that will go deep into the smokies. And see, people think that the 1993 encounter defines me when, in fact, I've led Buddhist monks into Smoky Mountains. I've led sports figures. I've led country music people that have wanted to see Bigfoot. So not only do I have all these other areas and even you brought up real foot, but I've been to the Smoky Mountains, how many hikers have come back and have given description all of a sudden for no reason the weather didn't change as far as temperature or cold and a eerie, ghastly, or blue fog came into their camp and seemed to surround them to where they can't see five feet in front of them. but yet five miles off, there's nothing.

So there is some phenomenon that is attributed to the paranormal or even, and out of those witnesses that I have spoken to or I've seen interviews, the common denominator is that when they have this fog, they have a paranormal experience, whether if it is with Bigfoot Dogman and even the taboo subject of feral humans, which I do believe do haunt the smoky mountains. Oh, yeah. I have too many people and a man that I highly respect is over at Black Mass Paranormal.

Oh, you know, Brian. I was just going to bring him up. I was running his name down. Huge fan of that man and he knows that. Okay, I was going to say. I want him and you so badly to come land between the lakes someday. I respect that man and want him to come. And so he has seen and he is.

investigated the area of the smokies and surrounding areas the same as you have. But he is a man that I highly respect. That's good. That's good. I love him, as a matter of fact. And so if anybody have heroes, he's one of them. I'm constantly watching you and I'm watching Black Mass paranormal and a couple others.

Yeah. But I think that what the common thing with this bluish fog, and these entities, it can't, it has to be fused together as you spoke. It's all together. We can talk about these things, entities separately, but man, they all seem to somehow another come together. And another denominator is that fog,

the smoke that comes out of nowhere. Yeah. Yeah. I was just texting Brian earlier today. He's the one, I don't know if I said his name, but he's the one that I was trying to get the other picture of the Black Panther. Oh, so Brian has it.

Yeah, he's the one that has the, he has three pictures with the same camera, same location, one with a deer, one with a boar, one with the Black Panther. And the Black Panther was bigger than the boar in the picture. Wow. Yeah. And so, like, I was texting with him about the picture that we showed earlier today. Yeah. But, no, I was telling him he has to come in here at some point for a live show.

But I think him and I would have a lot of fun going out with you. I would enjoy that. very much. And another thing, too, if you can get him in here, I'll drive up, be glad to to sit down. But more than anything, I want to be in the woods with you and him. And I know we'll have a great time. There's areas I would love to turn him on to into LBL and show him. And because he has such an open mind. Yeah. There's no close minded to him. He has an open mind. He's already seen the same things I've seen. He works in an investigation the same way. We kind of work almost synonymously.

We have the same techniques. And, but, you know, out of people listening to us tonight, you got to understand, you have to have an open mind. You can't go along with all these things or these guys are just big hairy creatures that have been able to escape us all these years, that science absolutely refuses to accept. And you have people like Brian or you or, per se me or others. There's competent people out there in these woods that are open-minded.

Not a closed mind where they're, okay. And you know, because you've seen the fights on stage, you've seen it taking place where this guy says they're flesh and blood, there's some type of relative hominid or garcansic, Gigantipithecus. I said it. It's late. So you'll have to give me a pass on that one.

gigantapithecus or something else out of Russia. I mean, these things have an ability to, whether if they use the fog, is to be a hunter or to disguise themselves. They flip into an owl. They flip into some other creature. They're the crow.

They're the tree. People will ask, like, okay, for instance, people are coming. And they're so stuffed. to come to Bigfoot Week in Gatlinburg, and they're so stoked to come and see folks like you, me, and so many others, and they're searching for answers. Well, the answers have been in front of us for years,

and it's captivated and written in the greatest historical book ever written, the book of the Bible, and even the journals of God's Three Chosen, which is James John and I believe Paul, the three chosen ones that he gave, specific instructions to that could answer us right now, whether if it's the archons or the, the negative spirits that's in this world. But people are coming to Gallenberg. They want to know some answers.

Yeah. And they're looking for an answer. And whether if you're a skeptic or whether if you are a knower, an experiencer, they come. And they want to hear and to find out these answers that we are speaking of. They do. and we're and we're not going to give you answers because we don't have any we don't have any either we have we have thoughts and opinions we're going to give you a purple owl and a pine cone named rickie we should we should come up with like a little purple owl figureine yeah you know if we could get that we could sell the purple owl I know people would buy the little guy little purple owl uh I I feel like somehow I'd be pedaling lilith and that would make me feel awkward so yeah I might my no I probably shouldn't so Uh-huh. Anyways, Martin, I am really happy that you came out today and just spent the day with us here.

Before we get out of here, just tell people, where can they get your books? You can get my books on Prime Amazon. And, of course, I'll sign anything. If you're at any of the convention, I've got probably five or six more conferences scheduled. Busy guy. And just I'll say again, I couldn't hear you. You're a busy guy. I'm a busy guy, but I'm also in those woods.

Now, I will have to tell you, a lot of people are catching me up at, because the sponsor has made a bottle of moonshine about the land between the lakes. I'm in and out of there a lot because people want their bottles signed and people want their books signed. So where is it? That is located Canton Lane just outside of Katie's Tennessee. You go to the very first bridge, and if you look left, you'll see Golden Pond Distillery. The guy is a seventh-generational moonshine. but now he's a legal moonshiner. And his father, Charles Knight,

had been a moonshiner for many years on land between the lakes. Okay. Oh, oh, I must tell you, because of the officials of the National Recreation Area, are sponsoring a moonshine Bigfoot, October, in October of this year, and I don't have the correct date on me right now, but October, I think, 7th or 10th, we've been up a while. And please come by and see some of these old generational moonshiners that are still alive. There's only two or three still alive.

And they're in their 90s. And Mr. Charles Knight is one of them. And he's the real thing. But how does it pertain to Bigfoot? How about that the Great Smoky Mountains and area parks are now the national parks as well as the recreation area of Lambton Lakes? We have coincided because they're fused together. just like we talked about, who's in the woods the most? Besides the hunter, the old moonshiner that was hiding out in the woods and saw everything at nighttime.

Yeah. And, of course, you get to great stories where some of the moonshiners actually would scream and holler to run people off. But what runs the moonshiner out of the woods? I bet moonshineers got stories. Yes, that's why we have fused together. Wow. And we have stories that go back generations of the Harryman and the hairy, puppy dog and uh but oh yeah there's some great stories that come out there last thing besides

inviting you out to uh for the october festival come by and see us at uh in gatlinburg the mayor in the city has graciously opened up an entire week and dedicated bigfoot week for gatlinburg so this is big foot week right now this is big foot week right now and then he signed a proclamation that has established that every year that from june 20th to june 26th is going to be Bigfoot Week. Wow. How much greater is the times we're living in right now? If you're a Bigfoot or a Bigfoot enthusiast,

we are now working with the recreation areas and the parks, and they are beginning to coincide with, there is something in the woods. We don't know what it is, but come on out because we're a friendly area, and we want you to come out and look and see things for yourself. Yeah, that's cool. That's really cool.

It doesn't get any better than this. Bigfoot Week in Gatlinburg. Oh man. And the city open arms. Come on out, guys. We know we got something in these hills and hollas. Yeah. And Crypticon is going to be in November, later November.

I think it's 21st, November 21st and 22nd, I believe, or 20th, 21st to Saturday Sunday. In Florence, Indiana, you're going to be speaking there. Yes. And I haven't told him yet, but he emailed me the organizer. And he invited me up to, I guess, have a table or something. I'm, I'm thinking we're probably going to do that. So I'll probably see you up there. I would love to see you there.

Maybe you can introduce me to some of your friends. For my occasion friends in Louisiana, we'll be at the Rougaroo Festival. And you have to understand the connection of the Rougaroo or Lup Garu, because it made it to land between the lakes from Jevadon, France, from where so many were killed in the 1760s. That made it somehow, through family connections, to land between the lake, from the lake, from lakes. So we've got the Rougarro festival in Louisiana in October that we will be down there. And I'll give you a hint. You're going to see something that land between the lakes that is in the works that no one has ever conceived of. And you're going to see something coming out this year. Yeah. But we'll leave that as a surprise that we will announce one day soon. Okay. But come on out

and see the Rugo Roo too. All right. Sounds good. Have some mudbugs down in Louisiana. I don't know what that means, but okay. Martin, I love you, man. I love you, my brother, and it's so good to be here with. Let's close out with this. God bless everyone that is listening. God is the answer, and he has the answers to all these questions that we have of what lurks on this earth.

And God bless you, Tony, and your family. I love you, brother. I love you, too. Since you said that, people can go to the confessionals podcast.com slash gospel, and they can read all about what you just said. Amen, brother. All right, brother. Thanks for being here.

Good to be here. Absolutely. Much love, Tony. I'll see you. I'll see in like a second because the camera's going to go off. And then Jack's going to make this really awkward. We've kept Jack up above his nightly, close to his nightly. I know.

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