The Confessionals - 901: Dogman Warfare and the Second Heaven

Episode Date: September 29, 2026

What happens when spiritual warfare becomes something you can actually see and fight on the other side? Tony Merkel sits down with Jade to explore his extraordinary experiences in the Second Heaven, where he describes dark strongholds and terrifying encounters with Dogman entities during battles that feel every bit as physical as our own reality. Jade reveals what he believes is happening beyond the veil and why these encounters may have implications for the spiritual warfare taking place here. But when he ventures deeper into this hidden realm, he encounters something far more massive and disturbing than the Dogmen.If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890📕 Pre-order Tony's Book: https://a.co/d/0bJS3SaV📰 Subscribe to Our Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/newsletterBecome a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comJade Mapes YouTube | FacebookSPONSORSGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyIVERMECTIN: twc.health/tonyVENICE AI: https://venice.ai/theconfessionalsRUMBLE WALLET: https://rumblewallet.onelink.me/bJsX/ConfessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media6726 Morganton RdP.O. Box #08Greenback, TN 37742SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jyorkofficialOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - Down The Rabbit HoleAvailable on Spotify

Hey, everyone, before we get to this week's show, this is just your weekly reminder to please continue to pray for my wife, Lindsay. She is battling breast cancer right now, and we're praying for complete healing in Jesus' name. Thank you. Merkel. Media. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappeared.

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I reached my hand into this bush, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe, and I couldn't move, because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to the Confessionals podcast. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you got something you want to talk about on the show, a story and experience or a topic you'd like to discuss, go ahead and shoot me an email.

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structures, fortresses, tunnels, hierarchies, and organized activity where both the kingdom of God and the kingdom of darkness are at work. He says that he has witnessed entities such as dogmen operating like foot soldiers, sometimes under the authority of higher-ranking beings, attacking people spiritually in ways he believes later manifests as turmoil, sickness, destruction, or even other attacks in their physical lives. Perhaps one of the most unsettling things that Jade shares is when he says many people are already present and visible in this realm without even realizing it, completely unaware of the spiritual war unfolding around them or even their authority they possess through Christ. This is a wild conversation. I know you're going to enjoy it,

so let's get to it right now. All right, Jade, man, you're here in studio. I'm glad you're here. What's going on, though? Hold on nothing. Oh, you don't lie to me. So listen, I got time to spend with you yesterday, and today we'll be together again. We did a Slingshot Nation live yesterday. You were in studio and we were talking about some of the spiritual warfare that unfolded at the conference that I was preaching at. And I'll tell you what, maybe before we get into this conversation, you know, I had you on a remote interview, I think it was last year. It was a little while ago. A handful of months at least. Yeah, it's been a little bit. And that was a member's episode. And when I was talking with you, I was like, man, I really want to have this guy in studio. And, uh,

With the topics that we're going to get into today, when we're talking about your interactions with the second heaven, the things that you've seen there, the activity there, how that relates to here. Coming into yesterday, you coming out here, there's a human element that plays into all this. And you think that was a really good conversation I had with him remotely. and I hope his heart is what I think it is. Because if it's not, we got a real problem on our hands because now you're doing something that is like not of God then, right? And so like we're going to walk this line today of how did we get here kind of thing, right? But I wanted to kind of share up front with people listening and watching.

I've spent, you know, since yesterday with you today and we'll go through today. And we've spent several times in prayer spontaneously throughout the last 24 hours. And I got to see your heart and how much you love the Lord and how much you are truly aware of the dark forces, the realm of darkness, the dark kingdom. I'm still trying to figure out how I call it. But the kingdom of darkness is what we'll go with. You're very aware of it. You're very active in fighting against the kingdom of darkness because you have been commissioned. Actually, let me say it this way.

From me addressing this, let me say this way, you have a message of you've been commissioned. There will be people who do not agree with you. That's true. There will be people who don't like what you're saying and they're going to say that's not of God. He's operating for a kingdom of darkness. is I will get email saying, Tony, be careful with that guy. I will get people saying that he was deceiving you. And that's why it's important for me right now at front to say,

could you be, yes. You're a human being. You could be lying. You could be deceiving me. However, I spent a lot of time with people in general. And the Holy Spirit's presence over the last 24 hours and getting to know you and seeing your heart for the Lord has, brought me into today's conversation feeling very comfortable with the topic that we're going to be

talking about. Right. So I just wanted to lay that groundwork for you and for the people and to do it publicly so people all understand, we're all on the same page here. Right. You and I both understand that there are going to be naysayers to what you have to say. I've been my whole life. Right. But I as somebody who doesn't have your experiences and there's other people. So like after you and I are done today. We're actually doing a roundtable. We're bringing back a former guest, Caleb, on to the show. You, Caleb, and Hunter are going to be here. We're going to be talking in Second Heaven again because all three of you have experiences with these operations. And so, like, it's going to be, I forget where I was going with that, but this conversation is

going to be something where I feel like people needed to know up front. You understand their perception. I understand their perception. And I literally get it because even going into yesterday, I was like, we're going to need to make sure we're on our toes because if there's a sign that it seems like there's pride in this, there's ego in this, then you have to question, is this something that God is actually doing? And I can tell you from my perspective, you and Caleb, last time I was with Caleb, and maybe that's changed. Maybe I see Caleb later today and he's like, hey, man, it's all me. But I don't have to be like, Caleb, we need to talk off camera. But from my perspective, both of you are very convicted in. you didn't ask for this. It's, it, it, this was like something that you've been commissioned to do.

And I get the sense that you both probably would feel the same in saying that if you didn't do it, you would feel like you'd be disobedient. Oh, absolutely. You're calling. Yeah. So with that said, who are you?

Now, I'm just, so let's, let's start into what we're talking about. And then I want to backtrack into how did we get here. How did you get here? So when it comes to the second heaven, my experience personally has been through conversation with people. The most famous one is my episode 692, and I understand if people are watching on YouTube.

I don't number my episodes on YouTube like I do audio. It's called Dark Shift. And that episode kicked off this entire thing for me in a way that I dealt with it before, but I didn't understand what I was dealing with. And I didn't on that episode, but it gave me a framework to start thinking in. but it was from the kingdom of darkness's perspective. I was stunned when Caleb reached out to me and said essentially he is that guy only operating with God's kingdom.

And you have a very similar story. And so, like, from my perspective, I'm in this, like, unique spot where I'm information gathering and I'm putting puzzle pieces together. I never expected somebody who is claiming Christ as their savior. to come to me and say, I too deal with this, but I've been commissioned by God to do it. Like, that was like, what? It sounds crazy. It does sound crazy.

I know. I know. It does. And so, you know, you come from a tough past, you know, and we'll get, we can get into that because it kind of does lead us into how you got here. But if you could give us like a thousand foot view as to what your interactions with the second heaven are and some thoughts. and I don't know.

I'm just going to open the table up for you to just kind of start talking and sharing. So people have an understanding of what you deal with when it comes to this unique calling. Well, I want to say that, yes, there has been a very large section, probably a third of my life, where I wished to God, begged God to take it from me. I didn't want this. I didn't ask for it. To be able to see the kind of darkness that I see and to be able to peer into people. people's lives and to see the sin and to see the, it's a lot to carry and especially carrying it

as a child. When you don't have any direction, you don't have any understanding. The spiritual leaders that are in place don't understand. They don't have these experiences, right? I didn't even know what a seer was until 2016, 2018, something like that. I didn't know that's what I was. I thought that I was like, had a mental illness. You know what I mean? The problem with that is that it was too coherent, too cohesive. And like, I don't believe that people who have these mental illnesses would be like questioning whether or not they have a mental illness. You know what I mean? Like there was too much validity and there was too much cohesiveness and like I would watch things line up and watch things happen. And it was like you can't make this stuff up. Like how,

how is it that if I experienced this on this side, how am I experiencing it in reality? And like, how is, how is, because I couldn't call it a dream because it felt so different from a dream. And in the few times that I did try to talk about this. to spiritual leaders, they thought that I was demon possessed, they thought I was of the devil. And truth be told, I don't think I was ever meant

to make it out of the darkness. Just to be completely transparent. I think that I was born into the life that I was born into, and I was always meant to be an agent of darkness. But because of that, Jesus was like, I choose him, right? Because of that,

God intervened, changed our timeline, and chose to redeem me from that, and then used those, giftings and abilities and the site for good instead of for evil. So kind of like assault to Paul kind of thing. I think so. Not that you're Paul, but like, that's the only only explanation I really had. He flipped an age of chaos.

I really don't think I was supposed to be a good person because I wasn't always a good person. I did give into that darkness. I did live in that darkness. And I tried to run from the giftings for a long time. I tried to bury them in substance use and alcohol and relationships and, and and just be what I thought I was always destined to be, you know. I, back when there was dial-up internet, like I was immediately searching the

internet looking for answers. Like, who is these, who are, what are these werewolf creatures that I'm seeing? What are these demonic golem-looking entities that I'm seeing? Why is it that I'm experiencing, why is it when I'm around certain people, I feel them drain my energy and I feel exhausted and I have to go lay down and go to sleep? Like, that's for some other, you know, question what vampirism was. I was just going to say, but you identify as a energy vampire. And so I was encountering as a child spiritual vampirism, you know, as a child before I even knew, you know, and of course I saw all the horror movies and stuff as a child. My parents really didn't, you know, regulate what it was that came in the house. And when I saw, I sat there and watch,

I'd watch Freddy Krueger with my dad. I'd watch all these things, you know, and I'd see these things on TV. And my dad kept telling me they're not real, but I would go somewhere else and I would see them and experience them. And you would think that they were dreams until you come back and you wake up and you got scratches on your body. You know what I mean? Until you see them on the other side attack somebody you know. And then you find out two days later they're going through all hell in reality, right? And they're under a spiritual attack and all this stuff is happening. And you saw them being devoured by, you know, a wolf man. You know, it's wild. Right. And trying to like make sense of all this when you have no direction.

And I think that that it did come to a peak in my early 20s. And, you know, I found myself on a dirt road with a fifth of whiskey, had just gone through a divorce. She had relapsed and had cheated and all that kind of stuff. I'd lost everything. And everything just kind of came to a head.

And I was like, okay, if this is all that God is, is just the church building. Because I couldn't seem to perform like everybody else. I couldn't seem to be Christian enough. I couldn't seem to be, I was having all these experiences. And God, I was seeing the timelines in people's lives and the sinful nature that they were carrying and the demonic attachments that they had in real time.

And yet they were my spiritual leaders or they were my brothers and sisters in church. And they were like, they seemed to be able on the outside to perform. And it's like, okay, so that's God. Like, that's how I get to heaven. there's something wrong with me. I'm broken. Or God's not real. One or the other. Either this is all a big, and I'm mentally insane and I've got all these issues. You know what I mean? So I found myself on a country road with a fifth whiskey on a hot Indiana summer night. There was no breeze. There was no nothing, which is why I was country cruising drinking his whiskey. Hold on. Indiana?

Mm-hmm. What part of Indiana? Monroe City, Indiana. How far is that from, like, say, South Indiana? So it is Southern Indiana. Okay. Mm-hmm. All right. It's not, I'm not good with directions. No, you're fine. How far is it from Evansville? I saw, it's not very far. I think it's like an hour.

Okay. Easter west. It's like 45 minutes from Vincent's. You know where Vincent's Indiana is? No, but if you're talking about Evansville, Indiana, I think it's, I think it's below Evansville. Below? Interesting, very interesting.

Okay, cool. I'll show you. I'm not going to derail other than I just need a clarification. Okay. So we ended up, I ended up Indiana. My parents ended up in Indiana from Illinois when I was like 12 or 13. and they went through the divorce and stuff like that. She ended up going to Indiana.

So I spent a section of my life in Illinois and then a section of my life in Indiana. And then I've been in Tennessee, West Tennessee for about six years now. Okay. So I was actually living in my mom's basement after the divorce, right? And I was country cruising with some liquor. I fit the whiskey. And I had, you know, two fingers in the bottom of the bottle. I'd gone through most of it and I was going to end my life.

And I pulled up and I stopped. And I was like, God, if you're real. I need you to show me. If you're really real, and mind you, I've had all these experiences and stuff, but it's all seemed to be so dark, and I can't make sense of it.

I can't seem to find direction. I'm like, if you're real, I need you to show me, and I need you to take this from me. I was heartbroken. I'd just been through divorce. I couldn't seem to,

you know what I mean? I was just lost, man. And I was a broken person, and I had nothing left to give. And I had my windows down. And there was this breeze. Now mind you, there was no breeze. There was no nothing.

And it came just across the tops of the trees. And I heard the leaves first. And I looked to my left and I saw the tops of the tree swaying. Nothing else was moving. And then the tree nearest me just on the right hand side, the breeze shot down the tree and then through my car to where it shook my car. And I felt an overwhelming feeling of love and of peace and of, I never really experienced this from my father. But I instantly knew it was my father.

Like I instantly felt the love of a dad. Like he was just there. And he just, it was like a tight hug. And then the weight, I felt it literally lift off me, exactly what I asked for him to do. And I just began to sob. And I was instantly sober. And I began to speak in a language that I don't, I don't understand. It was a heavenly language, right?

And I just poured this stuff out. And he started filling me with peace and with love. And after that, I knew that he was real, right? I knew that after that, like, there was, you know, there's no mistaking that he is real. And whatever the rest of this stuff is that everybody is doing and engaged in, I need, regardless of whether it's real or not, right? I need the one who's real. If he's the author of this book, if he's really real, then Lord teach me. I need you to be my father.

Show me how to be a father. Show me how to be a good man. I don't know how to be a good man. Teach me, show me what all this stuff means. Why am I experiencing this stuff? Teach me in your word who you are. And once I knew he was real, it was over after that. Because it didn't matter when anybody else said.

Anybody else did. It didn't matter what anybody's theology was or traditional religion, politics, what church, what denomination, didn't. None of that matter anymore because I knew he was real. I knew that he would eventually show me the truth. As long as I followed him, as long as I was in relationship, as long as I listened to that voice, you know what I mean? I'd be kosher. I'd be all right. And that's what he did.

He started to teach me who he was. And he did that for a number of years leading up to about 2018 or so. And then I started having a lot of clarification about the rest of this stuff. He started showing me specific entities and their role and what they do, why they do what they do. And then I started having experiences on this side where I was under a spiritual attack. And then I knew what entity it was that I was dealing with. because of their nature and character on the other side, if that makes any sense.

So you dealt with the entity on this side? Yes, but not in a way that you can always see it. But I was experiencing its nature in the form of attack I was experiencing. And you were able to identify what you experienced on the other side. Right. So you knew what entity it was because I've seen how it operates. I know the symptoms of it. Yes, that's right.

Gotcha. They have character traits. There's different entities that have. have specific character traits and have specific things that you can identify them by. So when you're under attack on this side, it's like, I know exactly what that is. I know what entity I'm dealing with, right? Whether it be pornography and lust, or it be addiction and self-destruction, or it be the cares of this life, chasing after your dreams and your goals.

And sometimes not your dreams and your goal, sometimes it's a promise the Lord gave you. And the enemy knows that you desire this, and he'll set a trap. for you and keep you pursuing this thing and wasting all your time and energy trying to make it happen in and of your own means and your own ability instead of just allowing God the space and time Abraham went through this. Right? Trying to take it into his own hands and do things his own way. There's always fallout consequences to that.

But the entity will feed on that energy and on your hopelessness and on your despair while trying to chase this thing, whether it's a promise of God or something you just want, right? and he'll feed on that and he'll give you a little taste of him and think you're going to be successful and then something will happen and will fall through. That's very much a spiritual manipulation and attack. I believe that one's a gin and I can explain what he looks like and my first encounter with him if you want. Sure, yeah. Go ahead and go into that. Okay. But I want to ask you actually, yeah, go into that. And I'm going to write while you're telling me that, I'm going to write down my questions. I don't derail. Okay. Go ahead.

Well, I mean, there's several different entities that I've come across. The first one was Dogman. And I encountered them and the druidic stuff and witches and things like that early on and how that they attacked other people. But then I started experiencing it. Okay. So let me ask you a question. Just keep your thought. But I'm going to probably interrupt you at times because I know you can just rip and I'm going to have these questions. You said you were seeing Dogman.

Now, we were talking about on the other side. Yes. Not here. Not here. And they were in association with druids. Yes. So they were repairs. It was as if it was like there's there's two objectives that seem to be tied to a dog man. One is is that they are allowed to sort of just roam and rip and tear and destroy and devour, right? They seem to have sort of like an innate like known, I'm allowed to do X, Y, this, right? And so I would see them in groups and they would be attacking them. people that someone I knew, some I didn't. And they would be literally like tearing and biting and destroying them to pieces. They look like people on the other side. Some people

that I knew, some people I've never met, but I've seen on the other side. And I realized that this was a, I knew early on that what I was seeing on that side would play out in real time on the other side in some form of spiritual attack. Something would be taken, some of them would be grab, something there would be sickness, there would be some sort of something that would parallel what I was seeing on the other side, right? So they seemed to have an innate, like, permission to do certain things. But when I see them, when I see them paired with druids, they had specific tasks that they had to,

there's like a hierarchy. And it was like that the druids had dominion over them, and they were allowed to command them and tell them where to go. I believe humans have that same dominion innately. I think druids, a part of them is human. I don't think they're all the way human anymore. I think they were probably all human at one. point maybe, but I think that we all actually have the ability. We all actually have dominion

over these things. We just don't realize it. Does that make sense? So I think they have like an innate base level, you know, these are your commands and functions and they're allowed to operate at a certain level. And then there's other things that are more distinct where they're sent to do or to guard or to be present with other hierarchy. If that makes any sense. So what you're in talking about I'm sure I probably said on the recording earlier, maybe I didn't, but this idea of the kingdom of darkness, like kingdoms have structure. Yes. They have layers. They have organization.

There's jobs to do. Yes. And what you're describing sounds a lot like that. So when I, like in the book of Mark, I think I talked this on the live yesterday, but in the book of Mark in the first few chapters, Jesus is telling parables. And he often says the kingdom of God, the kingdom of God, the kingdom of God. and it just stands out to me. As somebody who looks at the world the way I do because of people like you,

it stands out to me that Jesus himself was saying the kingdom of God instead of just saying the kingdom. If it was just one kingdom, he would just say, the kingdom. But he's identifying as the kingdom of God because there is a kingdom of darkness and there is layers to it. It's a kingdom. It's operating.

That's right. Would you say that with what your experiences were or are, I assume they're ongoing, when it comes to the dog man type thing, or if that's even what you call it, to the druids, is there a, how do I say this? Like, is there a, is there a, hmm, another question just escaped me. I'm sure it'll come back. I forget what I was actually going to say.

All right. It's something to do with the structure. I don't remember. It's gone. I have another question, though. So let me do this one. you mentioned about the interactions that you saw people having with these things, attacking and things like that, and it playing out. Was it ever a situation where that person actually died?

No. Okay. Well, and then again, I don't know all the people that I saw. Can I just give you a scenario of what it looked like? Yeah. Okay. So I would enter into this other side, this other realm, and I would come upon structures. Now, you have to understand that all the structures that are here appear to be over there as well,

but there are structures there that are not here that are, some of them are very, very much a stronghold or a structure used by the forces of darkness on that other side, right? They often coincide with the regions that they operate in and the hierarchy that is in charge within that region, okay? And there's like those different levels and some come and go and use that, but there is one that's over that, right? And there's a bunch of other structures and buildings that are there. And some of these other structures that are there that aren't here, they look similar to our structures here in architecture. They don't necessarily belong to the forces of darkness.

They are sort of just a spiritual housing, I believe, for us, right? The thing, the problem is, is that most people, almost all of them that I've encountered on this other side that I see, they are completely unaware that they're in the spiritual dimension. And I try to engage with them. I try to warn them that the dogmen are here. I didn't call them dogmen. I called them wolves. But that the wolves are here.

And I would be trying to fashion weapons and things like that on this other side, trying to. And it's like they would look at me, but they really wouldn't engage with me. And they often were just sort of like having a good time talking amongst each other and just generally just being in this structure, right? It's as if they were. It's a specific structure that you're talking about your encountering these people?

It's not just out and about. So I would just kind of come upon this structure. And the structures layout would be sort of weird. It wouldn't be we have kind of when we build structures, we have purpose and we have utility to them. These structures seem to be thrown together without a purpose of your utility other than just housing. It's like it was almost like it was a manifestation structure that housed this group of people, right? It didn't really seem to have a functional or rhyme or reason. It had very human structures to it, it seemed.

Like it had windows and doors and a roof and walls and stuff like that and different rooms. But the rooms didn't really have any furniture really in them. There was no rhyme or reason to how they were laid out. There was no like, okay, this is a dining room and this is a bedroom and this is a closet. They didn't look like that. It seemed like the structure was created haphazardly. And I think the reason why it is is because these people that are operating in the spiritual dimension, they don't understand that they're operating the spiritual dimension.

They don't understand that they have a spiritual manifestation, right? And so they're kind of operating haphazardly. And so this structure reflects their intent on this side. Does that make sense? Yeah. Sorry, go ahead. No, don't ever say, sorry to me. You're fine.

But do you think that is it, are you saying that these are people then that, because like you mentioned earlier about how it felt like it wasn't a dream? Do you think that these are people that think that they're just dreaming and loose dreams? And I don't know that they know. I don't think, well, so here's the thing. I don't know that they realize that they're even on. the other side just because they're not really interacting with me in a way that registers in their eyes that who I am or because some of these people I know I went to church with some of them right

others I didn't know but they also didn't seem to react to the dogmen until they were being eaten and stuff and then they would scream and they would very much have violent and very gruesome stuff right and then it wouldn't be long of course and I'm at a place where I can't tell anybody what's going on for my life I can't go to these people and say, hey, I go to this other dimension. And I saw a dog man eat your face last night. Okay. Don't go in the woods at night. Right. And then, but I will have an encounter with them a week later at church or somewhere out and about. And they're going through their car broke down. Like, there's a bunch of things that happen. Like, they're very clearly under a spiritual attack.

I'm like, that's not, how was that a coincidence? And a coincidence would be like, okay, this happened once, maybe twice. This is happening over and over and over again is playing out like this is a consistent, repeatable thing that's happening, where I'm seeing them be attacked by dogmen on the one side, and then they're having spiritual attack on the other side. And it's like I think the reason why the structure look haphazard, I think the reason why that they are not really engaged in what's happening on other side is they don't understand that they have spiritual giftedness. They don't understand that they have spiritual authority. They don't understand that they're even, yes, they have an experience with Christ. Yes, they're going to church. But they're sort of just like playing patty cake with

spirituality and they're not engaged in warfare. They don't understand that they are very much present and manifested on this other side. Like they, the darkness sees their light. The darkness sees their manifestation. The darkness sees their interjection on this other side, but they're not engaged. So you're saying like literally, so like when I often say people wake up in the morning and they don't realize that there's a supernatural war going on around them for their soul, you're talking about people who are specifically, there's like a spiritual gifting they have, they don't even know it,

but the other side does, and so they're constantly being attacked, and not like, why is this always happening to me? Exactly, precisely. And I think anyone who has an experience with God, anyone who gives their life to God, in my opinion,

even if they don't have a specific, like my gifts, not everyone has, okay? But I believe that all of us, the Bible says that we're all members of the body, right? So when you enter the body, you have a purpose that's often tied to some sort of spiritual gifting. We're all given a measure of faith. I think we all have some level of spiritual gifting. I think that Jesus talks to his disciples about this in the Word before his ascension.

And he's described to them what they're going to be doing and what it looks like. And they're going to be essentially the neos of this reality. They're going to be bending and breaking the laws of this sinful kingdom, right? Death, hell, and the grave. They're going to be, they're going to be raising the dead. They're going to be, you know, healing the sick. and blind eyes, you know, and deaf here and lame walk. And like, they are very much meant to bend and to break the laws of this reality through Christ, right?

Not through themselves. That's the difference between witchcraft and a person operating in the anointing of God, is that I'm not pouring from myself. I'm sacrificing my flesh and I'm doing what God wants me to do when he wants me to do it and manifesting the fruit of the spirit as I do it, right? But I think that anyone who has an encounter, anyone who gives their life to God, anyone who Jesus saves and set free, they have all authority and all right to operate in the spiritual dimension. They're just ignorant of it. It's not being taught.

It's not being talked about. They don't understand that you have more power than you can imagine because the creator that spoken created light now lives within you. And that's why he gives us things and is where he talks about the power of the tongue. the power of his name. You know what I mean? Yeah. We are absolutely meant to be disruptors here, you know, and we very much have a, they see us. It's like moths, moths to a light, right? We very much have a representation or a manifestation on the other side. They very much see that, hey, we're saved and we're set free and there's light coming from us. And there's, you know what I mean? Like, we have spiritual giftings. We have spiritual authority. But they're just ignorant of it. They don't,

They don't see it. They don't understand. And so they're just open for attack. It's just open season on them all the time. And I think this is happening all over the place. Yeah. You know? So earlier, on this idea, earlier you had described yourself as a seer, right?

Yeah, I didn't think I was. I didn't know what that was until like 2018 or so. Okay. So everything that's going on in your life as you're going through this, you're housing underneath that definition of being a seer. Is that correct? Okay. So, I mean, I don't think I was here.

You know, I think I would have saw a lot by now. So, but my aunt called me and I know I've told this story at places before. I just can't remember where. So if this is repeat, I'm sorry. But my aunt called me last year while I was writing my book. And I was writing what became the second chapter, which is all about my grandfather and how he was such a spiritual impact of my life. and like literally my first introduction to the supernatural.

He did preaching and he wasn't a pastor, but he would preach at revivals and Big Ten reviles back in the 60s and stuff. And when he died, it kind of left a void in our family. And so I was writing about all this because, you know, he's an integral part as to how I got here today. I came into this show knowing the supernatural was. real because of him and my own experiences. But my aunt calls me, while I'm writing that chapter and I'm stuck on it. And she says to me that essentially she said when she was, this is years ago, she was going to a church up in New York across the border from Pennsylvania. And it was a charismatic church. And they had a woman come in. I don't know if she was a prophetess or what.

but she came to my aunt and said to her, you're a seer, and you're not telling people what you see when the Lord reveals it to you and you're holding back their blessing. You need to speak up when the Lord shows you things. And so she took that to heart because I think she kind of felt like she was crazy, you know?

And so I didn't know that about her for years. I don't think her, I mean, maybe they do now because I doubt my family watches the show. But like, I don't think her family knows, or at least most of them. But she called me because she saw something. And she said, when my dad died, he left behind a mantle. That's right. And it's time for you to pick it up.

Yep. And up to that point, I was really struggling with that chapter. I didn't know why because I knew my grandfather's influence my life. I knew how to express that, but there was something I was missing. Yeah. When she told me that, things were starting to align. And then the next morning I wake up, I tell my wife about it. And then she looks up the meaning of the last name because I was like dog in it.

I was like, I don't understand why me, because I'm not even his blood. Like I was adopted in a family. He's got like 17 or 18 other grandkids. And my wife said, well, what's in the name? Like, what's the name me, Merkle? And has always been told that it meant merchant. And so she looks it up and she couldn't find merchant anywhere. but she said the root word that or a root word that Merkel comes from means Guardian of the Frontier.

And I was like, well, that sounds like more like me. I like that, you know. But like that's, that's like, timing is everything because like that message of Guardian of the Frontier would not have landed 10 years ago with me when I first started the show. But I find that out just as I'm realizing that there's this like bubbling sense up in me of like there's a level of a watchman that I am here. and I'm taking it to heart. And then I tell her to look up her maiden name. And her maiden name means spearbear. Wow.

And I was like, when we got married at 21, I went through a phase in my early marriage where I thought I made a mistake. Because we're very different. Her and I are extremely different. There's a reason why she's not podcasting. She's very introverted. She doesn't riff like I do.

Everything about us looks like oil and water, but we worked. And I never understood that. And then when I found this stuff out, one, I realized the Lord was in it the whole time. He knew that she was my match. But, like, also, it just, when my aunt said that to me, and I started connecting these dots, I realized that I was not adopted into being a Merkel. I was created a Merkel, and I was grafted into that family tree,

because I had to be. That's right. And in that chapter, I lay out the four or five different last names that were tied to me throughout my life in one way or another that I actually landed on Merkel seems very improbable. But then when you take the supernatural aspect of how God created me, everything kind of comes together. Makes sense.

So I say all that because she didn't know she was a seer and she was seeing things. And she started operating in that when she felt compelled to. you are and I took that I took that way out there I'm bringing it back I'm sorry about that you you see things and you didn't understand until 2018-ish and I'm going to hand it back over to you at a second here I just want to kind of give you this parallel I'm starting to see this this these synchronisticies happening when people are telling me about their their testimonies and stories I can't express to you how much between 2017, 2016 and 2019-ish, God was raising people up. That's right. And we didn't know our purpose. We had no idea. None. And it was all happening at the same time. Bro, I was called into

podcasting late 2016. I started in January of 2017. And I didn't know you. I didn't know where my life was going to go from this. But I'm finding out more and more at the same time, God was bringing in people and raising people up for different purposes that now we're all converging. That's right. And we're coming together in only a divine way. That for me, as somebody who has a very militaristic mindset when it comes to walking out my faith with the Lord and also like wanting to rip the head off the enemy as much as possible, like I see this all happening.

And I'm like, I'm feeling like this is more divine than ever. And we all, like you mentioned earlier, we all have. our places and our positions in this and I I unless God shows me something else I don't believe my job is your job no I'm still trying to figure out what my job is but like maybe it is the the the one that I'm the one that gets people to the same table well so something people have to understand is that I'm describing my gifting and my experiences since 2016 2018 in that transitional area, I've encountered other people that I know are seers because God quickens it to me. He shows me things. And I'm like, you're a seer. And they'll look at me and they're like,

how did you know? You know what I mean? But as I've encountered, I've counted on two of them, specifically in Lexington, Tennessee, right? And their giftings and how they see and what they see and what God shows them and when he shows them are very different than mine. But they are absolutely anointed and powerful. They are intricate. They are elegant. It's beautiful watching their gifting. And my, I believe God brought me to Lexington, if for no other reason, to engage with the two of them, to get them to see and understand their role in all of this and to give validation to their gifting because they were also hiding in all these years. They also didn't understand. They also felt like they were also trying to be a normie. You know what I mean?

just amongst everybody else and weren't sharing their gift and weren't open and sharing what God wanted them to share to who he wanted them to share it with, right? They don't haven't, their experiences aren't mine. They, we look very different and, and God shows me specific timelines. Like, he'll, I experience time dilation when he shows me stuff about a person. And I'll, like, I'll have several moments where I'm seeing different timelines based upon their choices and based upon, I can see where there's some demonic attachments and where there's some sin and where God wants to take them.

If they don't make these choices this way, this is the path will go. But if they make these choices and follow Christ, this is the path he wants to take them. This is their calling. I think it's very similar to how the prophets in the Word. We see that a prophet in the Word of God will show up and give a message. And he would say, you know, you're all sinning and you're all doing this. And if you don't stop, this is your path. But if you right now, if you repent, fall on your face, make this sacrifice.

We see this in Old Testament, right? God will do this, X, Y, and Z. and he will reconcile you to himself, and he will deliver you from bondage, right? The province would show up and say these things at certain times. The truth of the matter is, is that 90% of what God shows me, I can't share, but I can engage in spiritual warfare.

Now, I say that to say that these other giftings and the way that they see, they're a seer isn't, they're not cookie cutter. They are specifically designed with their experiences, where they were born, the parents they were born into, like God orchestrated their life.

you know what I mean he called them knew them they he had a he had a plan from them at their inception right at their conception and so he'll hone and gift them in a certain way it's different from mine it doesn't mean there are any less of a seer than I am or any less of any less gifted than I am it's just different for a different purpose you know what I mean but when you work together like that it's beautiful like God'll show me timelines about somebody and I'll be engaged in spiritual warfare on their behalf. And then this other one, I've seen God give them the gift of wisdom and she start to see pieces of this timeline in a small form only in so much as God quickens to her the word of knowledge, you know, and wisdom about things that she shouldn't have about this person. And she'll come

and offer clarity and understanding and direction right at the right moment on this timeline that's pivotal for them where I'm not allowed to do that. Does that make sense? And so the working together of the giftedness and the types of seers that we are, we see and perceive things spiritually. He shows us things. We'll have dreams. We'll have, I guess, their visions. I call them flashes for years. I just call them flashes because they're just, but they work together.

Just because I'm having these experiences doesn't mean that that person's not a seer. I want to be clarified that because I believe God's going to use this to give validation to other seers, to get them to start stepping out, to seeking the Lord. in developing their giftedness, right? Not just ears, but Christians as a whole to start engaging to start seeking the Lord for your calling. Like, we've got to stop asking God, Lord, what is my calling within the organizational structure?

You want me to be an usher, do you want me to be a pastor? Do you want me to be, I think we need to start engaging in our relationship with him and ask him, Lord, help me develop the fruit of the spirit. Lord, help me develop the gifts of the spirit. Help me to kill enough of my flesh so enough of your spirit can shine and flow through less of me more of you, as Paul said, right? I need to die daily. I need to become less so you can become more.

Help me do that. And I think if we look at it that way and we start engaging that way, what he wants us to do within an organizational structure, what he wants us to do within a church body or a region or, you know, whatever, that will start to manifest naturally. He'll start to give us that direction and give us that guidance and will start to become more clear. Like, I'm supposed to be a pastor for sure. I know that now. Okay, now that I know that where is it, here in this local assembly. Where is it? Where do you want to send me? How do you want me to do it? Does that make sense? All right. So with what you just said, are you using an example? Or are you saying you do know that you're called to be a pastor?

I just recently obtained my license to minister. Really? Okay. And so I had a couple different people throughout this whole timeline of my life tell me that at some point God was going to lose me to speak and to teach and to preach. I had a speak. I had a speech. I had a spiritual mentor. He was a missionary for years. And I don't know why God put him into my life at the time, but I know now that it was to plant these seeds. And he kept in curry. He's like, you need to be teaching. You need to be preaching the Word of God. You need to be, you know, correcting the body of Christ because revering in a wrong direction. He was bishop of a church. And he was like, you need to be up here. You need to go tell pastor, you need to be preaching. I'm like, look, I'm going to be obedient.

I'm going to go tell him. And so I go to the pastor. I'm like, hey, bishop told me I need to preach. I told him that I would do it, but I don't want to preach. And he didn't make me preach. You know what I mean? So I was obedient to him, maybe kind of. But I just didn't want it and I wasn't ready for it. But I went through a season this past year. Well, it was a two year.

Well, longer than that. So as soon as I moved to Tennessee within the first year, my wife was diagnosed with thyroid cancer, I was attacked by witches. I had some spiritual leaders turned against us. kind of out of the blue. There's a series of events that led me to a place where finally I was like, God, it led me to a two-week fast and a lot of prayer and asking for direction. And God finally said, look, I'm going to loose you to speak. You're looseing your tongue. You can finally share. You can finally talk. It's your time. Go. You know what I mean? And so that's when I was like,

okay. So I was prophesied over that I would be a pastor over people without a building. and I didn't know what that meant until later. And now I understand that I think that the Lord's calling us to home missions work and church planting and working with other churches and developing and understanding spiritual warfare, spiritual gift in this, and discipleship making, getting engaged in street ministry, what that looks like, how to get that ball rolling,

because we've got a transition from the four walls to the four corners of our city. Like we have to make that transition. He wants his bride to wake up. He wants them to stir. He wants them to get engaged. He wants them to be intentional. He wants them flowing in his spirit and in his fruit and in the giftings. Right.

And so I think that's what he's called me to do. So I would be sort of a pastor, sort of a spiritual leader, in helping those kind of things, but not necessarily in a building or in a platform, if that makes any sense. That makes total sense. It makes total sense. I think the calling is unique for every single person. It is. And I've learned the hard way.

sense that when I was younger, I knew I was called into ministry. I knew I didn't feel any compelling feeling to be a pastor at all. I knew I wanted to, like, it was like this, this direction of evangelism that my heart was pulled towards, but I didn't have the definition of understanding of how do you do ministry outside of a pulpit at a church. And back then, I mean, we're talking 20 plus years ago now, there wasn't a whole lot of people that really was around me that could show me that, you know? And so I stumbled my way through my life, you know, to the point where I'm at now where I'm still stumbling forward. But it's like I understand that there there is more to ministry and the calling on your life than checking in every Sunday to preach

at the pulpit. That's some people's calling. But there are so many other people that are called to ministry, that that's not their specific part of it. That's right. So you brought up a lot of things here. I want to kind of pull back on. And most recently you mentioned about the attack by the witches, I don't want to miss that. But I guess maybe a question I want to go into with you in general that might lead into the witch talk. But when it comes to the second heaven, I often describe it just from my understandings of talking to people as a war zone. Would you describe it that way? How would you describe what's happening there and how that equates to hear? Because like you said it, you saw like, say, you know, a wolf or a dog man attacking somebody. And then on this side of things, you see that

they're going through all this spiritual attack. The second heaven is a very, for me, unique, big question mark. I have a lot of theories about it. But I'm interested to hear what you would say. How would you describe the second heaven? Because from what I understand, it's a very tangible real place, often describe more real than here.

So what would you say the general senses of activity going on there? So it's massive. It is, I don't know if anyone's ever gone, like Maramette caverns or a big cave, and you come in in the dark, and you can't see the expansiveness, but you can feel the massiveness of the room, the openness of it. You can feel that it's huge, right? That's what it's like. That's how I know it's different.

I'm absolutely 100% in control and coherent. I can taste, hear, sense, smell. All my senses work. I can, you know what I mean? It's tangible. I can, you know, I taste. I can, all of it's real. It's very, very real.

It's just much more real. It's like it's an enhancement of everything like tenfold. It's just much more real. There are structures that have architecture that I can't even describe to you. There is manufacturing and storing that's going on over there. There are tunnel systems. There are massive buildings. There are very clearly structures that are like strongholds and forces of darkness that look like a fortress.

It's very kind of old-school. kind of castely gothic kind of vibe but the whole thing no no these specific architectures right and they tend to be surrounded by a shadowy darkness whereas other places seem to have more light and be more like illuminated so there is no celestial bodies though there's no sun there's no moon that i've seen that it seems to have like an innate either light or darkness there okay so what you're describing then isn't i i think think maybe we should define this and I'm open for you to define it however you want to define it, but it sounds like you're saying second heaven, and if it is what you're saying, I think I agree.

Second heaven is not the kingdom of darkness. The second heaven is a location where both kingdoms operate. That's exactly right. Yep. So it works out. We do. And we operate there. We manifest there. We pull from there all the time. We're engaged from there all the time, whether we're under attack spiritually or we're receiving something from God. Like there is an exchange happening. There's very much a world that I would, I would explain this reality as a scab on what is actually real. I don't,

we're humans having a supernatural experience. You know what I mean? Like we are, it's not, that place is as much, this place isn't real. This place is a manifestation of a fallen nature. This place is a,

a manufactured realm within another realm. This realm has always been. This realm was existed. It exists because of the fall of man. That's my opinion on it. It's like it's, this is the fallen dimension. This is the,

this is what the Bible says, the glass darkly is, you know, where you see in part, but one day you'll see and know all, right? That's, that veil,

that veil kind of houses this dimension and this dimension is the fallen, sinful where death and decay and suffering happen. that is separate from that other place. Do you think that before the fall, we were there? Well, so like, people talk about the Tower of Babel, for example, right? And they think they act as if it's a very physical structure. I don't believe that.

I think it was a, I think it's a physical structure, just in so much as there's physical buildings in this reality. But I think that it was a, I want to use the upside down for as an example, to show strangers things. It's bound to come up at some point. Because you have trees here, but then those same trees are there. The buildings here are the same building. It's exactly like that in my experiences.

And that was way before Strangler Things ever came out. So, hold on a second. We got to rewind and unpack that then. Not, you know, okay, before Stranger Things came out, what you're saying is when you're there, you see the mirror mirroring of both? Yeah, the same buildings that are here or there. The cars are there. The trees are there. But there are structures that are there that are not here.

That's right. And not all the structures there are structures of evil. Some of them seem to have. all everything there seems to have an intent the structures do right that are not that are there that aren't here those structures seem to have a specific purpose whether they are you can clearly see the comings and goans and druids and dogmen and other entities coming and going from the stronghold right and it's like dark and shadowing a stronghold would be a structure that's there but not here yes okay and then there are other other i wouldn't call them a stronghold but there's those buildings i

encounter the saints like the buildings that i encounter the people that get attacked by the dogmen there's a structure that they're in too, right? But it's kind of built weird. It's not put together like this other structure is that's very clearly a, you know, a forces of darkness structure, right? This over here is weirdly put together, oddly shade, kind of thrown in it. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't seem to have intent as if it was done by people who are ignorant, right?

And then I encounter the people in there and they seem to be ignorant of the fact they're even manifested in the spiritual side. And I think that that's Christianity as a whole. I think that I'm encounter. What I'm seeing and encountering is people who have been saved and set free, who have a calling, who have anointing, who have spiritual authority. And so they're manifest on the other side in this sort of structure that's supposed to have intent, but doesn't, because they're not actually engaged.

I think that if those who are actively engaged in spiritual warfare for any length of time, I think they develop their own sort of stronghold for a lot of. on that other side because they, you know, and they go with intent. They go in prayer and in fasting against the forces of darkness. So I've never seen my structure on that side, but I would assume that they know, you know, like, you think you have a structure on that side? I think that there's some sort of manifestation that happens because the people that I've encountered on the other side seem to be within a structure, like that there was some sort of manifestation vessel, right? This ties into the UAP stuff. How so?

Well, because I think that the balls of light are sort of a totem on this side and can manifest anything that they want. It just happens to manifest a vessel that houses something. Does that make sense? I think that these, I think it ties into the dogmen that are on this side. People are encountering or big for anything like that. These different entities that people are seeing, there seems to be a totem on this side first, right, and that through which something is manifest. You can call it a portal.

You can call it whatever you want to. I call it totem because it's like quantum integlement. It's like they create a rift on this side and manifest on this side like a ball of light or whatever. And so we have a manifestation on this side. We'll hear a noise. We're bound by five senses. We'll hear a noise. We'll smell something.

We'll see a flash of light, whatever, right? But then something comes through it, a vessel of some kind, right? An entity of some kind. A UAP just appears from the ball of light or then goes back into the ball of light. So I think that there's an interface happening between the two dimensions in that way. I think Christians, they do pray, right? And I think they have corporate prayer on Sundays. And they have, so they have this sort of spiritual structure, right, where they are sort of building something spiritually.

But it's without real intent, without any real direction, not any real understanding. That's why the structures I'm seeing that they are in seem to be so haphazard. Does that make it? They have doors that shouldn't be in a, you know what I mean, it just seems to have. It's like a phrase of throwing the mud against the wall to see what sticks. It's just like, you build a house. that you're just like, ah, well, we found some scrap over here to put that on the wall. And I've studied some of the, I've listened to some of the testimonies about UAPs,

people have encountered UAPs, and they say that every manifestation, the why there's so many different kinds is that each UAP seems to manifest with a specific intent or job. Like some are bigger and whatever because they're for transport, some are smaller. So they say that this manifestation, this phenomena, this whatever you want to call it, whenever they manifest a vessel and they manifest it. The reason why it looks the way it does, the size is because it has a specific intent. It has a specific design. There are very much structures to this thing, to the spiritual dimensions.

There are laws, there are rules. There has to be intent. There has to be, see that in spellcasting. You see that in prayer. You see that when you're engaging faith. You have to be intentional. If you ask and you believe that you shall receive, right? So you have to believe what you're asking.

You have to be intentional and asking that and exercising that faith, right? So there's these laws. There's like these rules and structure to all of this. And so that's just my take on it. When I'm encountering these people and the structure seems so weird and uphazard and thrown together, it's because that they're sort of just engaging in spiritualism very lazy and without intent and without teaching or direction or understanding. And it's being manifested that way on that side.

And it's like blood in the water for sharks. Like the dogmen, those entities, like this is that, you know, they're like, oh, you know, we're going to easy pickings. You know what I mean? Because they're engaged in spirituality and have no idea, right? So they're going to church and they're worshiping and praising God and they're making changes in their life, but they're still watching a horror flick from time to time. Does this make sense? Yeah.

So, like, they have, they're giving right to the forces of darkness to attack them in other ways and means because they're not engaged in spiritual warfare with any sort of understanding or wisdom or knowledge and what they're doing. They're kind of just in both worlds and they're kind of just playing around with this. So it leaves them open for attack, you know what I mean? So I, because I'm very hesitant to tell people how to live their lives, right? I mean, like, I can share my opinion on how I operate my life, but I understand even biblically speaking, not. What's wrong for me to do isn't always wrong for everybody else to do, right? When it comes to what we consume, I can use me as an example. And I wouldn't say I'm completely past this.

I think by God's grace, I've moved severely past it, not even knowing until I'm thinking about it now. I went through a period, and I think it started shortly after I moved here to Tennessee or maybe shortly before, but I started really getting into watching these dark shows on Netflix. And like, like, wherewolf stuff, witchcraft stuff, schools of mystery. And I wasn't doing it in the sense of like, I want darkness. I was finding identity in it, in the sense of like not my own identity, but what I'm learning and hearing from people on this show, I'm seeing play out in these shows.

And I was curious. I was like, where's that coming from? And so I started watching a lot of it. And at some point, I feel like it became more of obsession over the TV show of what happens next versus trying to understand what I'm seeing and how it relates to my own show. show. And I don't know where that that ended, but at some point, I pulled away from that. And I,

I can't remember last time I turn on Netflix. But you bringing up, you know, people consuming, you know, horror movies or whatever, I think there is a level to, to at least consider if you really believe that things can be access points into your life, poros into your home, if you're a type of person that anoints doorways, windows, and screens. Like, there probably should be a consideration, at least a prayerful consideration. Maybe the Lord releases you and says it's fine for you. But, like, I mean, how many times do we actually pray and ask God for direction on what we consume with our eyes? That's entertainment.

Because, like, honestly, the world says a five-minute sex scene on a rated-ard movie is entertainment. fine and we live in a culture where hey you're 18 you mean which means you can make your own decisions how many times do we actually lay that before the Lord and say is this what I should be doing should I be looking at this you know and and so I I think that what you said though holds a lot of like consideration for people to to consider like what are we doing with opening our doorways to what our eyes the portal of our heart yeah so let me ask you this man you brought up the idea of the strongholds and their locations there, okay? And how sometimes here, buildings aren't here that are there.

And you identify those places as strongholds. Have you ever gone to a place here that you know there's a building there, that there's not building here, and was there something here in its place? Or was it just like an empty field? That's a good question. I... Because here, before you go there, let me just lay context of my,

why I'm asking this question. Because I wonder if there's a stronghold there that the enemy is operating in, this building. Right. And it's not here. Is there a manifestation here of supernatural activity, even though there's no building? I believe so.

And I believe, I think that there's reasons why there are certain structures on this side that seem to have so much. demonic activity and haunting and whatever you want to call it, you know, enter whatever spiritual, supernatural phenomena here, right? There seem to be, I don't think it's a mistake, right? I think there are very clearly structures here that definitely house something, but I don't necessarily, this brings up another topic where the Lord has led to me to a long time ago to come in

covenant with the land if I'm called to reminister in an area. And so I will, I will go and I will annoy street corners. and street signs and start claiming a territory and start feeling out what's in an area. You know what I mean? So not God, I don't go on the other side and then God shows me everything that's happening in that region and what entities are, it doesn't happen that way all the time. He really does expect me to walk it out on this side a lot to where I'm more in tune with him and he can show me things on this side, that I'm engaging on this side because this is

where the real war is happening, right, and kind of like real time for the souls of mankind. because we don't live on the other side. We live on this side, right? And so there are definitely areas that I've come across that seem to just, I feel the very strong darkness there. I feel very strong, like evil. There's something here. I don't understand.

There was an area in the woods where I grew up, and I could go all over the wooded area, but there was an area with a really small body of water. I mean, it was 50 foot by 50 foot little like swampy pond area. And anytime I got within 10 foot of that area, I felt a cold wash come over me. And I felt an evil. And I felt like I was being washed in broad daylight. And it didn't make any sense, right?

And it wasn't until years later that I'm like, I bet there's a stronghold there. Like I bet there's, you know, something, you know, not here that's there. Does that make sense? Yeah. I think it's regional. I think it would be more likely that those strongholds on that side would be in areas that are not well populated because I think there is some form of, like, they wouldn't want to put it in an area that a church would later be built on that site and directly like conflict with their, because I think it's a place that they kind of traverse into our world from. Does that make sense? Like there's an upside down this way, you know what I mean?

and they wouldn't really want it to be in an area that's well populated just because of what they're doing and what it's used for and what it houses and the back and forth that they do there. Does that make sense? Dude, it makes total sense. And we're going back and forth here, but what you're saying, I got to tell you, like, so I spent a lot of time in the last year revisiting my childhood mentally. I have not done so traditionally. I have a very hard time remembering a lot of details from my childhood. I had a really, we all have our past, but for whatever reason, my brain has blocked out a lot of my childhood. And so writing my book, it was difficult because I remember flashes, and then I spent time focusing on those flashes and memories started coming back.

And I remember growing up in the trailer park in the middle of, country Pennsylvania. I mean, I'm talking, dude, this was, you can ask Jack, this was a massive trailer park, hundreds of trailers. And it was literally like in the middle of nowhere. And inside the trailer park, there was a branch of forest that like came into the trailer park. The trail park was built around. And you could go into the woods within the trailer park and rewind yourself outside the trailer park. You're no longer in the trail park to further back you go. And we would go down there and we do all this stuff, all this stuff. Tree houses and we would dam up, the creek and build pools and just tons of fires.

You know, sometimes fires got a little out of hand, all that. But I talk about in the book this, and I gloss over. What I'm about to say, I don't bring up in the book because I didn't consider it. Where we built the pool or in that area, there was on the other side of the creek, there was this open field in the middle of the woods. And we never went over there. For all the exploring we ever did, we never went over there. And I always felt there was like something there.

And it wasn't like me saying, I'm not going there because there's something there. But in my mind's eye, I could like see it almost. I'm not saying I'm not. I'm just saying like I could feel there. It was something different about this. And maybe it was because like it's a liminal space, you know, like you're in the woods, there's lots of trees, and then you have this space that's empty and void, but we never went over there. And I always felt there was like something different there. And then you talking

about how they build strongholds, places where they're not going to build a church. It's usually out. I wonder if that was something. Because when we would go into the woods, you felt like you were entering into something. And then, you know, there's the kid mind of you for sure that you can tend with as an adult wondering, you know, was that just being a kid? But there were things about those woods that was different. And when I had my UFO encounter when I was a kid with my mom in the trailer park, that UFO was shining down light on those woods. And so in fact, now that I think about it logistically, in the general area of that field, I'm not surprised. And so like hearing what you're saying and stuff makes me just wonder, could that have been a stronghold on the other side? I think we discredit our

childhood and children in general when I believe that because of their innocence, they have sort of their their spiritual gifting is sort of innately just as activated because they're more innocent. Yeah. And even in ourselves, like, I think that there are things like discernment and sensitivity that we discredit and that we don't think about. You know what I mean? Like what you're talking about, I think you probably did have a discernment about it. I didn't have an explanation of why I felt not to go in this area of the woods. It was no different than other year. I could go all the way around it and not feel it anywhere else. It was just as one section of woods in broad daylight.

It wasn't like it was a particularly dark section of woods either. The only thing I remember as my childhood is this field and having sunlight shooting down on it. Yeah. It was always a bright, it was like, there's nothing scary about it. Yeah. It's beautiful, actually. So you're definitely then, you're, you're, you're, you're in, with this, that means that you're, you're eliminating anything logical fear. There's no reason.

You have to have been feeling a spiritual discernment because there's no logical reason for you to be afraid of an open light space. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, like, like, looking back with what we were doing, that was the perfect space to build a fort, drag them. Like we were dragging so much wood down there. We could have built our own little cabin. Like that makes so much sense. Why did we not do that? You know? Had to have been. There's no parents down there. No adults going down there. There have been our little world. Yeah. There's no logical reason for you not to have been there.

Yeah. So that just means there has to be a spiritual reason. Yeah. We just discredited a lot. Wow. That's interesting. So I'm looking at my notes here. So much that I'm writing down. And I don't think we're going to hit it all. But that's why I'm glad you're in driving because you will be back here, hopefully, if you're willing. Let me just hit this. It's probably going to be small here, but I want to bring it up because you brought up the idea of noise, sound. And I think you were talking about the idea of orbs and stuff like that.

That's something that I have theorized about the logistics of this. The word is overused by me, but I don't know how else to describe it. I constantly think about the logistics of spiritual warfare, the enemy's tactics, how the Lord operates, the logistics of everything matter greatly to me. Maybe it's just former trucker in me. But, like, there are a lot of people who claim to have heard, like, metallic sounds before they have experiences. And I would say probably the most famous would be Martin Groves.

Are you familiar with Martin Gross? Is he the one that encounter on the dog man? Yeah. And he was fair. Yes. And he's not too far from you. I think he's in the Clarksville area, I think. Okay.

But he was in the LBL. had that radical experience. But before that, he said it sounded like a car door closing in the middle of the woods. Right. And I started hearing that. And it's like pattern recognition, ADHD superpower. And I started wondering, are there sounds associated when something traverses from the other? I think absolutely.

I mean, because so this dimension is about we're bound by five senses, right? So when something happens that crosses from that side of the other side of the other side. this side, there is innately some sort of manifestation on this side, you know, in the field of sometimes we don't always see it, right? Sometimes it's transparent. You know, sometimes people hear things, experience things, see the signs of something, but don't actually see the entity, right? You have that with doors slamming and cabinets opening and poltergeist activity. You have the stuff happening all the time, right? There is, there are, there are manifestations that, you know, it has to manifest on this side in some form or fashion.

So, you know, you're going to hear something or you're going to smell something or you're going to taste some metallic taste in your mouth or you're going to feel something wash over your skin. There's going to be a temperature shift. There's going to be a light flash or a dimming of light. There's going to be some form of sensual manifestation. Like, you know, I don't know that there's necessarily, I'm sure that with scientific research, there could be like a definitely nailing down like in the,

this specific portal in this specific way with this specific entity and manifestation, it makes these specific sounds. Our government probably has a whole compiled list of all this stuff. You know what I mean? And I'm sure that there's frequencies associated with this in some form or fashion. And there's some type of energy or level of energy associated with this, whether they're pulling energy from that side or our side. You know, there seems to be a cause and effect to this kind of stuff, whether you're talking about spellcasting or whatever. Like there there has to be the strength of the spell has to directly correlate with the level of sacrifice. And some spellcaster requires a lot of fasting and a dead animal and, you know, all kinds of

stuff to reach this level to gain enough power, if you will, to manifest. I mean, you're pulling energy from one source and pulling it into another, right? Well, the Bible talks about it says you're speaking those things that are not as though they were in activating your faith and speaking things into existence or binding or elucing with the sound of your voice. You know, there's very much something there. There's very much an exchange of energy. And this dimension, there are rules and laws to this reality and this dimension, right?

And so it has to, on some former level, it has to adhere to those laws or rules, even though it seems to when it's here defies some of those rules or laws, it moves super fast, or it seems to be partially transparent, or it seems to deform its body and do different things. We see this with somatic manifestations and people who are experiencing perfect. possession. They're moving their bodies in ways that don't seem to make sense. Right. But they still are within a body, right? There are still like, there was a friend of mine that when he got baptized, he was,

you know, he was literally possessed. And when he was baptized, he was deliberative of that demonic entity and he was pulling out bits of glass out of his mouth. They didn't seem to make any sense. He didn't chew on glass. He didn't eat glass before he went there, right? He had his wife was there. His wife was there the whole time. She never saw him pick up a cup and chew on some glass, right? But there was a real physical manifestation of that thing coming out of his mouth, right? And he started pulling out pieces of glass. And so I don't understand all of it.

I don't understand the rules and laws to it. But there are rules and laws. There seems to be sort of a some structure to this that manifests in certain ways that has a very real, tangible, like manifestation, something, you know, tactile on this side. Yeah. So I'm looking at my notes here and I'm literally seeing my thoughts are all over the place. It's okay. I'm all over the place. I'm sorry if like this is not flowing in a specific direction. But I mean, the focus obviously is like your experiences with the second heaven and how that manifests here in your own life, but also like, you know, other people, everything. Now you let's, or go ahead.

I can talk about some of the specific entities that I met and have specific purposes, if you would like. Yeah, I mean, actually, I do have that in my notes. So let me rattle off some things that you said here. You have dogman, druids, spiritual vampires, gullum entities, or the thing for that I wrote down. And in my notes here, and you can tackle anything you'd like here, I have, what is the tactical operation of a druid? What are they doing? How are they operating? What's their job? And that question would go with dogman as well, and the gallum and the spiritual vampires. Like, like, you say you, you, you say you. see these different things. I'm assuming they're not to just stand there as avatars. They're doing things. And you probably notice that I think what they're doing, this is their job or whatever. Like what has, and let's start with the druids and the dogman side of things, unless you think otherwise. That's fine.

So dogmen seem to have, I think we covered this already, they seem to have an innate purpose. And then they seem to also fulfill orders from above them. Right. The druids are sort of, I've done a lot of research on druidic magic, on earliest, like where it came from earliest writings of druids, ruinic language, all that kind of thing. Everything that I have gathered so far in druids is that at some point in time, they were a normal human being that seemed to have a spiritual gifting, a seer. typically this stuff is also tied directly to bloodlines. There are people talk about generational curses and spirits, right? They're attached to create chaos and harm and whatever, right?

Addiction, things like that seem to run in a family, so to speak. That is also true on the heavenly side. I believe that's where mantles come and play. I think that I think that all spiritual giftings originate from God himself. I think anyone who's a witch or a druid or, you know, any mixture of inhuman incantation, you know, prolonging their life using, that you can look this stuff up. There are documents in ancient Egypt, ancient Mesopotamia, ancient Samaria, the Mayans. There's so many different teachings and belief systems that a person could become more than human, that they could live longer, they could have special abilities. You know, we can talk about shamans.

We can talk about all this stuff. but it seems to have an origination. It seems that the fallen when they came, they're the ones that taught specific runic language. And ancient runic language, there were some runes that everybody talked with runic language. They all talked with symbols. And a symbol could represent a single word or meaning

or a whole paragraph of meaning, depending on how that that run and the markings were laid out, right? And also, it could have a different meaning depending on what material that that marking was on, a rock versus paper, papyrus, or does that make sense? Like what it was carved on also would mean and change its meaning and definition and give it power and take away power or whatever. It's where you have talismans come in.

They typically have something scratched on it and becomes a talism. It becomes a, anyway, not to go too deep or too far, but it seems as though that druids were a human that had some sort of God-given spiritual gifting innately. They were designed to be a seer. God called them. You know what I mean? But they chose to use it for the forces of darkness. When it comes to seers, especially prophets,

I think people don't realize, I find it crazy when people are actively trying to become a prophet. Because I'm like, dude, like, you don't understand the level of responsibility that comes with. If I have a week when I'm operating in my flesh and I operate in a spiritual gifting while I'm in my flesh, while I'm in my flesh, I'm operating in witchcraft. Yeah. Yeah. And the line is that small. Like I, with my gifting, I have to constantly die to my flesh.

I have to constantly make sure that I am not operating in or saying something in my flesh because I do not want to operate in witchcraft. I do not want to be a druid. I don't want to be an agent of darkness. I can be given a flash of, you know, someone, timeline and then manipulate that person to my benefit, right? Like I can, I can pick up on something or to discern something. There are, I'll just give an example. In my job where I work with addicts, right? I work with men and women in the inpatient facility and in the outpatient facility.

There are women that I know who are vulnerable and that I pick up on their vulnerabilities. I pick up on their addictions. I pick up on their darkness. And I could easily manipulate them to sleep with them or get them to do something for me, right? That's witchcraft. That's horrible. That's evil. That's terrible. Men too, though. Like, I could manipulate a man. I could, because I see their vulnerabilities. I see the places where darkness is, like, I'm given a certain level of like. Responsibility and trust. Yes. And I cannot abuse that trust. The one time that I mistakenly told someone something and shared something about something I saw that I shouldn't have, I, the fear of, I've never had a fear of God like that before. Because, I mean, I'm talking, like, like he was angry and that was something like I'm like I thought I was going to die like I thought he was going to send me straight to hell that's the feeling it washed over me and I instantly knew I did something wrong he said you just abused your authority you just abuse your gifting don't ever do that that's my role you are not allowed to share what I what I show you unless I say to share that

because then and what happened and he showed me he allowed me to see the fallout and it locked them into a timeline that caused them a lot of suffering and consequence and locked them locked them locked them into the wrong path. And it prolonged an amount of time before they were able to veer back into a path that God wanted them. And I had to sit and watch it happen. Wow. And there was always a whole level of suffering in and myself,

watching this person go through it, knowing that I shared something I shouldn't have shared. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's not like, I don't understand why people do this, where they're like, hey, I'm going to be a prophet. I'm going to like, you know what you mean.

I don't think it is. And if you become one, then you're probably operating witchcrafts, like you suggest. And so I think that these druids at one time or another were human. I think that druidic teachings are very ancient. It goes all the way back to the fallen. I think this stuff was taught by the fallen. There was a specific runic language that was considered a sacred runic language that not everybody had access to, certain symbols and how those

symbols were laid out and on what elements, what types of things that they were carved on and then how they were stacked in a certain way or put in a certain circle. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but just in my research, I believe that early druidic magic and like the birth of witchcraft as a whole, whether you're talking about necromancy and the stuff the Egyptians were in or whatever, right? It does look like that it coincides, it kind of magic became alchemy, and alchemy became technology. And I say that because I worked in industrial maintenance an engineering field for a long time. I've been up inside electrical cabinets.

I've seen motor starters and how they work. I've seen one explode. And it's chunks of lead wrapped with copper at a specific angle and a specific, you know, distance. And it has a specific amount of energy at a specific frequency that it has to pass through those coils and energize that copper.

It's all elemental. And that's all designed with a certain way. And if you look at electrical diagrams, they look like ruins. I mean, they have like little lines and little squiggles and all that. Who top, man, that. Man does not just get knowledge just hoof. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, like men are

innately taught things. You have to be taught how to do something. You have to, where did this come from? Who taught them? And if there was a person of which an inception came from, what were they engaged in and from what source were they taught this to teach the rest of mankind this? And when they were taught this was this conducive to mankind or does it ultimately conducive to the forces of darkness and feed into our flesh, right? Because it looks like that those components within that electrical cabinet feed a, operate a manufacturing process that has mankind operating as slaves and to manufacture things that really don't build the kingdom of God.

They fill the pockets of corporate entities. Does this make sense? I know that this is crazy. I know it sounds crazy, but it's like, these things are all connected, right? So, like, this stuff became alchemy that became technology. That makes sense. And that's why that technology seems to be the more complex it becomes, the more it seems that the entities can come through things like with static

and can manipulate stuff. Like, we're always revoking the authority of the enemy off of technology. At least I am, so that it just operates normally, so I can utilize it, right? I think I can talk about AI and what I think the Arctic Circle really is and where AI came from. why we're pushing so hard for AI right now and why permafrost exists because I believe that there was something they encountered in the 1940s and I believe it was some form of an AI.

I think that's why we have an explosion after that for the first time of UFOs, UAPs, whatever you want to call it. There was a back and a fourth because we have an explosion of technology after that. And it's the only place on the planet that we have a global treaty with everyone in one location that we're not allowed to go to. Well, you and I aren't. Right? And there's a reason why it's so cold.

Quantum technology, AI technology, requires massive cooling. I, you're, listen. All right. First of all, I don't want to go down this path. It's not like you're not going to come back. But I do want to say to you, what you're saying makes total sense to me.

And I have ventured, I think even on Slingshot Nation, when we talk about AI, I have said the data centers, that they need all this water, to cool and stuff, why don't they just put it in Antarctica where it's constantly cold and why would you need a data? Like, to me, it doesn't make sense.

Like, why do you need all this fresh water and destroy our water to cool something when we could probably just go to like a place like Antarctica where there's tons of cold water and there's nothing there? Build your data centers there and you're good. But if AI is stemming from and infiltrating here, it can't. These are just nodes. Like there's something that already exists there. Yeah, you're saying expanding.

So it's like, it's like if you're a virus and you need to spread, you can't stay in one location. Right. And so it's like, no, this is how I survived at this location. This just happens to be near water sources, right? And it's near population centers. I'm not necessarily in population centers. They'll buy 50 acres over here next to a water reservoir or something that use water for. And they say it's for cooling, even though that they have much more efficient cooling systems.

So what's the water really for? Okay. It looks like really. Anyway, so circle back to druids if you want to. I think that they were humans at one point in time. I think that they came in contact with an ancient, powerful, runic type of witchcraft that had in it the ability to give them prolonged life and over time transformed them from something. They're a humanoid, but they're no longer human because they have perverted the laws of nature.

they've broken the laws of nature using ancient, you know, whatever, right? I think that that's what druids are. I think that there are, I think there are newer druids, and I think they're older druids. I think they're recruiting, just like they did back in the days of Solomon. Pause, pause, pause, pause, pause, okay. All right, I have two thoughts here. Because I was going to ask you if you think that there's more druids being created and you just said yes. To tie a bow on the AI thing is now, I just want to say,

this because I have this other thought that never expressed before, and I got to get on record so that I don't forget it. Going with all that theory, we have, let's just use America, we have East Coast and West Coast, we have territory in the ocean that is ours. We could build data centers out on the ocean that has all the water that we need, and it's our territory. So even the idea of Antarctica wouldn't be an excuse then. So to me, it seems like there's something that it needs to be on our land on infiltrated inside almost like there's something on the upside down in that specific area yeah yeah exactly exactly yep oh shoot dude all right so the druids recruitment because that's actually on my my list here yes i was going to ask you if you ever encountered anything trying to recruit

you but then you bring up this idea of druids recruiting new druids do you think that that's a theory of yours or you seen it? So I was almost recruited. I didn't know it was a druid at the time and I wasn't awake to any of this stuff. I had a lot of very hidden. I was 16 and I was working for an ex-Omish individual building cabinets and we had a home that we were installing kitchen cabinets in and I got in the truck that day to go there and I instantly had flashes and I knew this, I knew the home, I knew the entire layout of the home. I'd never been there before. I knew where their bathrooms were, the color of the carpet on the stairs that we went downstairs. When you opened the door, the stairs went straight down. To the left, there was a

dining room. There was a big curio cabinet. I was sitting in the truck, and I said, I told him, and I don't know, he didn't know what to do with it. Because, like, I didn't know what to do with it, but I had to get it off my chest because I was like, it's weird. Right. Yeah, he's like, as long as he works. He seems strong. Yeah. So he was like, so I told him, I said, look, we're going to go to this house. And I just, I know the entire lane of the house. And I'm going to prove it to you. When you walk in the door, there's going to be a staircase right in front of you. It's kind of a blue carpet. You're going to go to your left. It's going to have a hardwood floor.

There's going to be eight chairs on dining room table or wood. There's going to be a massive curio cabinet against that wall on the other side of the dining room table. And it's going to have these patterns of dishes in there. You go around through the doorway and this is a kitchen and there's like a bar separation with cabinets above it with a countertop. And it goes into their dining room living room combination. I described the layout to a tee. We walk in and it's exactly how I say it is. That's not the thing, right?

that's not what there was a woman there that was absolutely a druid i didn't know at the time i knew what druids were she wasn't in there in a hood in this realm in this realm yeah like i was there and saw cadmints i was 16 didn't know but i i had flashes about this and i knew this house was super significant right so we come in and she looks at me like she knows me which was really strange and and he's looking at me and i'm looking at him because this whole layout is exactly how i described it right but we're just there to take measurements so we can can do a cabinet install, right? So he goes around starting taking measurements and he goes, pops out back to his truck, gives paper pad. And she's like, hey, come here for a second.

And she had this big book. I mean, it was, it was this thick and it was laid open. And she had all these different books. And, and like, it was very, like, well hidden in the layout of her home, but there was some strange designs. And there was, like, what I thought was like wind chimes, but in her house where things were, like, hanging, right? They looked just decorative. Like, they didn't seem off-putting. You know what I mean? It seemed warm and welcoming, and they were all in like neutral colors,

the paint and the wall. You know what I mean? Like it seemed normal until you really started to get up close and see this stuff. Anyway, she had this big book. I thought it was a Bible,

like a big family Bible, but it wasn't. She's like, what day were you born? What day and what year were you born? And she flipped this book and she's like, here read this.

And she hands in this book and he's outside and I read it. And it describes me to a tea. My giftedness my abilities. I've never told anybody any of this stuff. And she somehow has it in this book that is very old.

You can tell it's a very old big book. It has language on the front of it and like gold-bound language. I don't know what the language is. I think it was a knocking language maybe? I have no idea. I've never seen anything like it. It was just like it was almost like sigils,

like a sigil language, but it was unlike, it resembles actually the bugosphere, Sanskrit-looking stuff on the bugosphere. Anyway, knowing that until years later. I got to know. Did it look like that at all?

Yeah. It was really like, yeah. Yeah. That's the knocking alphabet. Okay. Okay. So is that what they're talking about as the alien language? No, that's a fallen angel language.

That's demonic. That's wild. Yeah. That's wild. So yeah. Okay. Now I'm like reframing this in my mind. But anyway, the language in it was English though.

But it was written with like, you know, those old school bibles have like a big first letter that's all decorative. like a big P or a big R, the first letter or the first sentence on the page. It looked like that, look old and old school. But it started describing foods I should avoid and foods I should eat, things that would enhance my physical abilities, my sight or my hearing or my strength, things that my body chemistry wouldn't do well with, like certain types of foods or breads or whatever. It was like 20 pages all based upon your day.

Me. Yeah. It was your birthday. Yeah, my birthday in year. And it had like a celestial, like there was a celestial calendar and showed the stars. And it showed like exactly who I was, who I was and what my spiritual giftings were and my abilities. And she's like, she said, you are, you have two elements. She said, you're rare. You have two elements tied to you. You have fire and water. She said, which don't make any sense except for the fact that that you, I can't remember exactly how she worded it.

but essentially that I would be operating and I could operate in two ways. Either I could operate on this level or I could operate on this level based upon my choices. Like whatever element that depending on my choices would be my element, right, fire or water. And so that all happened, right? He walked in, she closed the book and pretended that it never happened. I'm still reeling in my mind. I have started my day less than an hour. ago. You know, it's like 8 a.m. I'm 16. I have no idea what's going on. He walks in and,

and she pushed the book away and everything goes back to normal. I still don't understand any, like I was like speed reading. She's like, she was like kind of, she didn't want him to be in the room while this was going on, right? So she said, if you have any questions, talk, you know, you can talk to me later. And of course, we ended up installing the cabinets and stuff there at that house. I never sent another word to her. I ignored her. Um, he, we got the truck out of that. I'm like, she, I said, she showed me this book. I started explaining. She's like, he's like, just ignore it. Don't talk to her. We'll do, we'll knock this job out. He's like, she's a witch. You know what I mean? Don't talk to her. Right. I don't think he said that half-hearted or do you think he actually

believe that? I think that he was kind of dismissive of the whole thing in a way because to him, he was a very kind of a cut and dry guy. And he was, he was an ex-almish guy. He believed in the physical world. He wasn't overly spiritual. However, after that, we had an issue with the truck breaking down, a couple weeks later. And he's like, the Lord said that you and me need to go out here and lay hands on this truck and he's going to fix his truck. I'm like, okay. And he's like, yeah, he said, you need to come with me. We need to lay hands on this truck. And God's going to fix his truck. And so I think that it, I think that he started to realize that had some sort of a gift thing. He didn't know what to do with it. You know what I mean? And sure enough, we went on that

laid hands on the truck, and he's like, all right, it's fixed. We hopped and started the truck, and it fired up. Since then, I've had stuff like that happen since then with appliances, with power tools, where I have revoked the authority of the enemy, and it fixed. So I want to offer, if you haven't thought of this yet, if you have awesome, but I want to offer some perspective on that for you. I think this happens for a lot of people in different situations of their life where the Lord does allow things to operate through other people for your benefit. He may not have looked at you as somebody that is different. And so let's try this kid kind of thing as much as God really told him that so that you would be involved in something

to see the power of God in your life before the time had come so that when you look back, there's not doubt of where you've come from. You're like, no, I remember, like, there's, there's, I call it, like, I forget how I call it actually. It's like, remember, it's like evidence of your faith. It's building blocks of your faith where when you look back, when you're, when you're struggling in life and you're, you're doubting things, you can look back and know that there were times that you remember where God was so real, you can't be shaken off of the experience you had. And so you being 16 years old before you really got into anything. I mean, you hadn't had the struggles of your, I mean, you had struggles of this point. But like, I was in denial of most of this side of it.

You, you can look back and say, that Amish guy who really isn't into this kind of stuff says to me, God told me to have you lay hands on this. And then it happens. You can walk forward as an adult with those kind of memories so that when the enemy is whispering in your ear, and this is his message for you, but also the people listening and watching, that when the enemy is whispering in your ear, these doubts, you can look back at the proof of your salvation, the proof of your faith, the reasons why you are here today and know that's a lie from the pit of hell because I have evidence of God operating in my life well before this whisper came. Exactly right. Yeah, before I knew any of this stuff, before they definitely tried to recruit me.

I feel like that... Whatever happened with that lady? Do you ever see her again? Never. Never. There was never another contact. There was never... Never had another recruitment?

Nothing like that. Not ever. I think that my choice to listen to him, to ignore her, I think that we prayed over ourselves every time I went in the home after that. And then, just within a couple of weeks, that engagement with his vehicle, he's like, God said it for us to lay hands on this thing. And, you know, you need to come with me. And we're going to lay hands on this truck. And God's going to fix this truck.

And I was like, dude, you're a crazy old man. God doesn't work that way. Like, I know he'll heal somebody maybe or, like, do something like that. But this is just a truck, man. You need to go to O'Reilly. It's like, what are you talking about? You know, I hadn't. Just so you know, when I laid hands on that thing, I had, all of us full of doubt.

I had zero faith, expectation. But God showed me that it didn't come from me. I think people don't understand. they don't understand what faith is. They don't understand what fear is. You can have faith in God's power and still doubt your own ability. Doubt does not negate your faith. I know that's going to upset a lot of Christians.

That's going to upset. You can have full belief in the power of God and believe that you are not it and believe that you can't do it. And I think you should think that way. You can't even imagine God working through you the way you believe he can work. Right. Like I, as funny as this, is the I was downstairs in my basement because my basement's under construction too and I'm

trying to put some bedrooms and stuff in there because it was unfinished but it was dry and so I'm trying to finish it out and I had a drill that worked the day before and impact uh I was hanging dry wall and I had one that worked the day before just fine the battery worked and everything um I go downstairs the battery looks charged I picked up slapping the drill and it won't work I'm like what in the world's going on I mess with it for a while I pull up YouTube or Google or something and I'm like okay what can cause this I'm like well you got to take apart your battery and this, this and this. And if not, you've got to go buy a $200 DeWalt battery for this drill.

I'm like, had another battery. I'm like, forget, I don't have time for this. I just take the battery off. I literally throw it down on the ground. You know what I mean? It's broke. And I'm like, so I slap another battery in there and I keep working. A little bit later, I, something kind of comes over me.

And I'm like, I don't have to accept this. I was listening to a podcast. I was actually listening to Chad Ritberger on a Sean Ryan podcast. He was talking about spiritual warfare. Easy Exorcist, right? And something quickened to me. Yeah. And I was like, I have to accept this.

I had pause. I walked over there. I picked up that battery. I threw on the ground. I slapped to my drill. And before I started, I said, I revoked the authority of the enemy over this drill, over my tools, over this home. The name of Jesus. I invoked the law of Cal, the spirit was, it wasn't coming from here.

Like, it just kind of came out, right? And I was like, I invoked the law of Calvary over my home, over my finances, over my wife. Or, you know, just kind of like, just flowed, right? And I said, in the name of Jesus, I hate that drill on the trigger and it fired up. And never and I was like, I started shouting. I was like, I started screaming downstairs. And my wife's like, she called me. She's like, what's going?

Are you okay? What's going on? I'm like, okay, so this is what happened. I'm like, you hear this? On my drill, you know? And I was like, it worked. Like a week later, our dryer broke. I'm like, Lord, I revoked the authority of the enemy over this dryer.

You know what I mean? And I'm rich over, open the lid, close the lid, hit start, fired right up. And that happened with the dry. twice after that. And then I was like, okay, I was having trouble with my equipment stuff at home, my laptop, my sound equipment, my even my printer wouldn't work right. And so I was like, huh, I revoked the authority of the enemy. I did it again. Boom, everything started working just fine. And so now I'm like, okay, I get it. I get it. Like just because it is happening, doesn't mean I have to accept it. Just because this truck is broke down and this stuff started clicking in my mind.

Like, you know, that happened. And, you know, I had it, when I was way back in the day, when I was in a messed up family and all this stuff, right? I had a Sunday school teacher. And she kept me, she's like, you have a spiritual gifting for healing and for laying on of hands. And she's like, so I'm sick and I need you to pray for me. And she's like, God wants you to know that he's going to use you eventually in all the spiritual giftedness. And that, and that I'm going to, and so she started having me, instead of going up front at church to get prayed for, right? I was just kind of like a bus kid. I was from the rough part of town. Like no one, whatever. She had little old me come up there at like 10 years old, lay my hands on her and pray. I didn't believe

any of this. I didn't like, you know, is this lady's cuckoo for cocoa puffs? And I was uncomfortable because the pastor typically does that, right? And she swore up and down. She claimed healing that God miraculously healed her every time I laid hands on her. To a point, she would show up at our house randomly, knock on our door and be like, hey, will you pray for me? I have this specific thing going on. I have this back pain or I have this surgery cut, whatever. Like, I would lay hands on her pray for her. She always come back and say she was miraculously healed. right so like it would quicken these things like yes i had a lot of darkness yes i experienced a lot of darkness yes i saw all these entities and all this kind of stuff in the process

god was trying to show me that i could choose right i didn't have to be i didn't have to accept reality for it was i didn't have to be an agent of darkness these spiritual giftings and these spiritual calling and the things that he wanted you know these these giftings were for his purpose and for his kingdom, not the forces of darkness. And then I had a choice. I could, I could serve light or I could serve darkness. I think the line really is that small. If I'm operating in my flesh, if I'm acting out my flesh, if I'm not engaged in prayer, I'm not engaged in relationship. I'm a witch. I'm just another druid. I'm not, I'm not a seer. I'm not a gifted of the Lord. I'm not an agent of light. I'm an agent of darkness.

So I think, you're not an agent of darkness. So we're not going to end on that. That last thought, you're like, I'm an agent of darkness. And you're stopping like, no, we're going to make sure that's not the last word he says before we transition here. My choices could mean that. Sure. And I understand what you're saying. Joseph Z, a good friend of mine was here earlier this year. We just put out an episode with him. And he has a prophetic anointing on his life. I think that he probably would even prefer not to be called a prophet. You know, like, but there was this, this gifting on his life. And he was able, he saw as well, that when he was a child and the call had come,

there was also another voice that was present at pulling him. And he clearly, from his perspective and what it sounds like to me too, he clearly could have gone the other direction and become what we see, you know, people operating the flesh doing like psychics and witchcraft and druids and things like that. you having second heaven interactions i got i got to hammer in some things here yeah um because i know we're running low on time uh not that we're going anywhere but we have another recording to do with a

group of guys on the topic um so the the oh so much here uh let's go with this as far as you understand and can convey with words, so I'm not sure if it's that easy. Logistically speaking, how do you get there? Typically, so it actually started with night terrors. I was being terrorized for years by these entities at night. I would have night paralysis, but I would be awake.

I just couldn't move. And sometimes they would be on top of me. Sometimes they would just be in the room, and I would see them. and it got to a point where I was sick of it, right? I was like, I'm sick and tired of being a victim. I'm sick and tired of this. And I prayed about it.

I said, God, if this is something that you want, like, there's something you want me to learn, if there's something you want me to do, if there's, if this is real and I'm not just all in my head, and I'm not just experiencing a disorder, and I'm not just schizophrenic, like, you know, like, will you show me? Like, at the very least,

Can I, like, attack these things? Like, we, like, I'm just, I was, it was a prayer of desperation. Like, I'm sick of being a victim. Please, Lord, just either take this from me or let me do something about it. I'm tired. I'm physically tired. I'm tired of being, I kept my getting asleep. You know, it's getting all the most of my life.

Like, there would be three or four days in a row, and almost every week where I was dealing with this stuff for years. And I just got fed up. That very next night is the first time I sort of, I almost say it's astral projection because I don't know. I mean, maybe it is. But that's the first time that I started to experience that. And I rebuked it in the name of Jesus.

And then suddenly I was just free. And I entered this expanse. Like I suddenly felt an openness. And it was so real. So you weren't back in your body when you did the rebuke. Like I was, like I was me, but I wasn't in my body anymore. Like I wasn't. It's not like I turned and looked at my body.

body, but I was walking through my house all of a sudden. I wasn't in my, like, sleep paralysis started. And as soon as I rebuked it, it's like as if God said, okay, it's time. And like I just got up out of bed. I walked out of my front door and I was on this other side, right? As the- But do you feel like in that moment, do you feel your physical body that I'm looking at right now, was that still in your bed? I, maybe, because I have never actually looked back at my body. It's it's almost as if my, it's almost as if my body just transverse, transverses into that other side. Like I'm not really, a lot of people talk about their near-death experiences and how they look back on their body. My younger brother had a near-death experience and he was able to look back on his

body from the ceiling, right? It wasn't like that for me. It was almost as if I just kind of crossed the veil. And I don't understand, I don't, I don't really know. He's never, I'll never look back on my body. Do you think you can if you repress your mind? I guess. I guess. I guess. guess, but I've always, every time I walk, every time I engage on the other side, I always know, I always feel in my heart that there's something he wants to me to see and something he wants me to engage in. I'm there for a purpose as if I've been given a pass. Okay. So I'm able to traverse, what's the word I'm looking for? Traverse, thank you, on the other side with some sort of protection. For example, I've been attacked by dogmen hundreds of times. Sometimes I wake up on

this side. I don't have scratches on my arms or on my back. Most of the time, even on really bad, like there's been times where I've felt them tear flesh from me, right? I wake up on this side and I have no effects of it, right? It's almost as if I'm given a pass. Like, I'm like, and I'll come on this side and I won't have a spiritual attack happen, right? Like, which seems to coincide with others who are attacked by dogmen, because I'm typically there fighting the dogmen, right? I'm typically there engaged in spiritual warfare and what feels a very, physical way on that other side on behalf of other people, almost always. When I, and when this happens, it's not like I always just get up out of my bed and walk out

the front door and I'm in an area. There are times where I'm suddenly just, I'm suddenly just sort of awake in an area where I don't recognize the buildings or where I'm at, but I know, I'm like, okay, God, what do you want me to do? Like, I know that there's something going to have. I'm going to encounter an entity. I'm going to see a group of people. I'm going to see a specific person or God's going to show me a specific structure or show me some entities doing something. Like I know every time I'm there, I'm there for a purpose as if I'm given a pass and a purpose. I'm not there just willy-nilly. Like it's not like I'm there of my own accord.

I'm not breaking and entering illegally through some form of hallucinogen. I'm not, you know what I mean? I'm there with an intent, with a purpose, and with a pass. So I'm somewhat protected while I'm there. So it's not like. Like, initially it was me like getting up and walking on my front door, but as it progressed and became more complex and I became more comfortable and it started to open up. God showed me more and more things happened and it became more physical and I began to

understand more. I didn't just like, I didn't know wake and in my bedroom anymore either. Does that make sense? Like it's like God transports me to this place and I instantly am just there in this area for a purpose. I'm not like walking on my front. There are times where I know for sure that I'm not on this continent. There was a couple of times,

one specifically where he showed me a Leviathan, and I'm very much on an island, and there are some people that are engaged in some form of a ritual, and they have this idle thing that they conduct. They're in this cave that overlooks this lagoon, and there's this giant dragging-looking thing, and he's writhing through the water, and he's like Godzilla,

level big like he's huge right and he's writhing in this lagoon about the distances in that image like out there like i can you know i can see it kind of riding in a figure eight pattern which was kind of unusual so i was like okay so this is there's some form of ritual going on here and there were these s'moan-looking individuals that were conducting a ceremony with this idol and they were attempting to attach my spirit to this idol and then they would row out and drop the idol in the water and it would tie me as a, it would sort of tow to me or tie my soul and prison me to this Leviathan, right? And it's as if they knew I was there and they were in a hurry because as soon as I realized what they were doing, like, I was like, no, I revoked this in the name of Jesus. Like,

you know what I mean? Like, I instantly realized that they were trying to keep me on that side. Does that make sense? So like, for me, it makes sense. That was a new experience for me because I've never had a group of people try to capture me on that side before in a totem, right? But specifically the Leviathan. And apparently they made sacrifices like this to the Leviathan, and there were several souls attached to this totem that they would attach to this ritual to drop to this Leviathan, and the Viathan would take these trapped souls and feed off them and gave it its power.

I know this is all sounds crazy, but the difference between a dream, Because I have dreams like anybody else. I have Taco Bell dreams. Sure. I mean. Or I'm, you know, whatever. I encounter a unicorn. I'm riding a unicycle and whatever, you know.

These are very much tactile. These, the reason why I instantly know it's different is because I feel the sudden expanse, right? And it's very tactile. It feels just as real as this table. I can feel the cool of the air or the warmth of the air. I can feel. I can see. I can hear.

I can taste. I can touch. I can get in and out of a car. I can go in and out of a building. It's just different than a dream. I don't know how to explain it. I can't prove any of this. Sure.

You're in the same boat as everybody else who does this. But I can point to and I can show you, I can tell you about the different entities I encounter on the other side. And then I can point to you to very specific things that everybody experiences in their life. And I can explain to you and prove to you that it's this entity on this other side and how I know. right because i've experienced lust i know what i know what she looks like and i know what the feeling is it's associated with it when you give in to lust i know what that gin does and i know what it's like when he begins to attack you in your life and what the lord has asked me to do to negate what he's trying

to do in my life like i can explain it in such ways that i think people would begin to understand the back and forth of spiritual warfare and even though you don't see these entities doesn't mean you're not experiencing attack by them or being tempted to you're not experiencing attack by them or being tempted by them or being lured by them. And I can explain in very everyday ways how that you know these entities are at work. And they're trying to get you, like they're trying to lure you. They're trying to get you to fall to their trap or their snare or come under their attack. But I also want people to know and understand that you have authority, right?

Especially if you've given your life to God. Especially if you, you know what I mean? Like you have an authority that you don't understand that you have. And that was something that he really wanted me to say in the end of all this. I was going to actually ask you to do that. So go ahead. Okay. So he wanted to say first to the forces of darkness that are at work in this region.

Be specific about the region, please. You'll me tell what region we're in? Yeah. Okay. So specifically in East Tennessee, there are druidic entities and individuals that are at work in this area. and he said he wanted me to tell you that he sees and he sees your sacred circles the things that you do in shadow and darkness that you think no one knows about he knows about and he showed them to me so i know about them and that the things that you have been doing in darkness are not not seen you are seen you are known the blood of the innocent and those that you have attacked and those you've come against cry out to him for vengeance and the time of vengeance is almost at hand and god is assembling His people, God is pulling together his bride. He's going to reveal to them their level of authority through Him and through Christ that they have.

And they're going to begin to engage in warfare. And your time is at hand. Right now, you are experiencing joy and glee in the darkness and the chaos and the suffering that you have sowed into this dimension, into the lives of God's people and into the lives of the innocence. And your time is at hand. The lion in me is roaring right now. your time is near the voices of the innocent cry out to him and he mourns for them and vengeance is coming

for you you are seen and you are known to everybody that that considers himself a Christian or to anybody that has a spiritual gifting that you have buried or you have hidden and you are afraid to let it be known now is the time to rise now is the time of those who are spiritually gifted. Now is the time for the seers to arise, to be reconciled unto Christ, to be intentional in your relationship with him. Shake off traditional religion,

shake off theology, shake off all of this other stuff, and not that it's a bad thing that you're engaged in your church. Not that it's a bad thing you go to church, not that it's a bad thing that you have this theology of these belief systems. What's bad is that you have traded the ritual

and routine for relationship. He wants to walk and talk with you in the cool of the day. That was the purpose of Calvary, was to eradicate sin to reestablish relationship. He didn't die on the cross so you could go to heaven. He died on the cross so you could have a relationship with him. And heaven has only ever been a byproduct of that. Right. So the question we have to ask ourselves as a Christian is, would we still do what we do if there was no heaven, if there was no reward, right? If would we still be, if the only relationship we ever had with them, the only time we ever felt his presence, the only time he

ever walked and talked with us was in this life right now. And then when we die, there's just nothing, right? If that was the case, would you still go to church? Would you still do what you do? Your reason why is important because he needs his body and his bride engaged, right? What I was talking about early with those I encountered that seemed to like not understand. That's where a lot of his body is right now. They don't understand their spiritual giftedness. They don't understand that we all have this authority through Christ. That if we come to him, we're buried with him in baptism. If he's a part of our lives, if we operate in his name, if we bury that flesh and allow the spirit to flow, we have all the power and all the authority in the world. It doesn't

matter how many druids there are or dogmen. It doesn't matter how many UFOs appear at the sky and dogmen come parachuting out of them. I don't care if there's a million druids that show up in his sacred circles and all do all these incantations and sacrifice babies and do everything that they do. I don't care. You have the power and authority with one word because Christ is in you. The same voice that spoke and created the light is the same God that's inside of you. And you have all power and authority to rise as God's people as his remnant in this day and age and stand toe to toe against the darkness and say no. On behalf of that drug addict, on behalf of that prostitute, on behalf of that soul that needs Jesus and is hungry and has been under attack this whole time and can't defend themselves.

You are the defenders of those who can't defend themselves. You are the arbingers. You are the gospel bringers. You are salt and light. It's time to be that salt and light. It's time to be intentional. It's time to wake up. It's time to become engaged in our communities.

It's time to understand our spiritual and importantness and giftedness and understand that it's not us that does this. We pour from his cup. I'm nobody. These experiences don't make me somebody special. The things I see don't make me somebody special. My heart and my life, I have me picking up my cross and following him. That's what's special. So that's the equal playing field.

I'm not anybody special just because I've taken up my cross and I'm decided to use my spiritual gift in this for a light. Everybody has this opportunity. I'm nobody special. My experiences don't make me some sort of, hierarchical. It doesn't work like that. In darkness, there's hierarchy, right? With God, there's just him and us, right? We're all here, and here is him, right? He gives us all different offices and different giftings and all that, but it's all for the edification of the body.

It's all meant to be done in unity to save souls and to be the neos of the matrix around us, you know, so that we have, you know what I mean, that we're disrupting the forces of darkness here, and we're spreading the gospel message. That's what he wants. wanted me to share outside of all of this is that a call to arms for his people and a warning to the forces of darkness man and i cannot wait your time is at hand he sees and he knows you haven't gotten away with it bro i don't want you to go anywhere i want which you're not i get to have more of you today so it's just i have to share you with two other guys uh that sounded weird um but you know what i meant message you have, and you shared, that's, I think, the third time I've heard it now. You shared it

with us yesterday. You shared it with me this morning before we start recording, and now again, I have a stirring in me when you're talking about that, that has landed in the category of verification on things that I felt stirred before you said, right? I personally, what you're saying, taking to heart. And I feel like God has been slowly revealing things to me and my role in a lot of whatever we do here. You know, we all have our roles, right? And right now, I feel like I'm on this mission to study Jesus the depths of who he is. the more I find, the more I study him and the more I learn about him, the more I learn

how supernatural he is, how supernatural the operation was around him when he was walking this earth with us. And that, in turn, builds my faith in how supernatural my God is, but also what he says that I can take to the bank. And I believe it's starting to go in a direction where the end result is that there's empowerment to operate and the power and authority of Jesus Christ in an uninhibited way. And when I say uninhibited, I mean we get in our own way. Yes.

And I think that in order for us to operate in full, full capacity, we need to know who is operating through us. And I think many of us don't totally comprehend the absolute gravity of what he is and who he is. I don't think we ever will totally understand, but I feel like the more I understand who he is and what makes him so much God, the more I can see that I can trust in, the supernatural aspects of what he is giving to us. Right. And like you were kind of saying before about it.

It's like it's not me. It's Christ through me. And it's like, and you can say that, but do you actually believe it? It's one thing to say, Christ through me. It's another thing to the depths of your soul and your gut to know literally Christ through me. And because Christ through me, all things are possible. That's right.

And I feel like I identify so much with the message that you feel God has had for this platform today. And I don't know where that's going. And I'm not going to be out here. And that's God directs me to. I'm not going to be, you know, walking around and just laying hands on mailbox. It's like, in the name of Jesus, no more bad bills for this person. You know what I mean? It's not, it's not my nature.

You know, like I know there's a lot of people who operate in very radical ways. And I'm willing to be radical if I've been called to be radical. Yeah, he'll direct you to do it. Yeah. But I just wanted to share that. And I feel like I didn't, I often find that God is speaking to me in my gut in a way I don't have language for. And I feel like that right now with this. There's a depth to what I'm trying to convey that I'm not conveying.

So that's where I just got to trust the Holy Spirit is going to take it to their ears and convey it. But I do believe that this conversation at the end of it, I pray that it's a rally cry for the body of Christ to, embrace who Christ is to the max. That's right. Like, who is he? You don't, you and I and the people listening, we don't know the absolute depths or else he wouldn't be God. Exactly. But the more we dive into who he is and what he's done for us and how that all equates to our lives, the more we should, the result should be that we have faith in understanding of what that means for us and how we apply that to our lives. He's faithful to show himself to us. Like, we don't have to like, I know that we think we have to wonder and we have to beg him.

But like, no, like it's really simple. Like, he wants you to know who he is. He wants to be close to you. He wants to be intimate with you. He wants to direct you. And really all of this, the whole point of all of this, the darkness. the druids, the entities, the second heaven, the forces of light, the forces of darkness, the power of his name, the reason why the relationship is so important, all of that, the commodity,

the single commodity, the single thing that all this boils down to is souls. Your soul, my soul, where we're going to spend eternity, will it be ruling and reigning with him, or will it be an eternal suffering? Like, it really is not to be hellfire or brunstone kind of thing, but your choices, and what you're going to submit to something. You're going to submit to your flesh and forces of darkness, or are you going to submit to God? You're going to suffer one way or the other.

You're going to suffer by picking up your cross and following him, or you're going to suffer the wrath that's coming. So you choose your medicine. You choose your poison. I would rather suffer all day long knowing that I'm doing it for that next soul, for the kingdom of light, and at some point along the way, be able to knock the forces of darkness on the chin.

You know what I mean? I would rather do that no matter what it cost me, and it's cost me a lot. People think that when you come to Christ, it's just hunky door, easy, yellow brick road. That's when it starts. That's when the fight starts. That's the moment at the altar, maybe.

It's the moment of baptism, maybe. But you're absolutely going to come under attack. You're absolutely going to suffer because there are pieces of you that don't need to be pieces of you. And God allows certain things and pruning to happen. And he does allow a certain level of suffering, especially to those, the greater that you're calling, the greater your anointing. So for all this, you may think that, I'm somebody.

I have equal amounts of suffering. Physically, I have equal amounts of suffering in my life thus far. It wasn't like it wasn't purchased by a lot of darkness and pain and suffering and things like that. Does that make sense? So, like, as you seek him and as you step forward in this kind of stuff, like, you know, don't be afraid. I don't want anybody to be afraid. You're going to suffer one way. You know, this life is but a vapor, right?

Paul talks about this. He suffers all this in his body so that God could be. be glorified and that you through his suffering, you know, could come to Christ and come to the realizations that he is who he is and that, you know what I mean? Like it's all for souls. So that's the whole point of all this is like, man, we're, we're Neo. Like through Christ, like this is all just a construct, but it's all for souls. And there's only one way. It's through Christ. Straight as the gate narrows the way. Only through him can we do this thing. And man, do we got to do this thing?

Well said, brother. We're going to wrap it up here, get some lunch, and then we'll reconvene for another round. Sounds good. Sound good? Thank you for having me. Dude, I'm glad you're here,

and you better come back. Like, I want you back, all right? All right, we'll do. Let's get out of here. Yeah. You want to know? You sure you want to know? Too late.

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