The Confessionals - 905: Four Types of Aliens May Expose a Biblical Mystery Hidden in Plain Sight | Larry Ragland

Episode Date: October 13, 2026

What if the four alien species repeatedly mentioned by UFO insiders have a connection to something written in the Bible thousands of years ago? Tony Merkel sits down with Pastor Larry Ragland to explore a startling theory linking the Nordics, Greys, Mantids, and Reptilians to the four levels of spiritual authority described in Ephesians 6. With prominent voices in the UFO disclosure community reporting the same four types of beings, Larry believes the similarities deserve a closer look. Could these entities be manifestations of an ancient spiritual hierarchy operating behind the scenes of human history? Tony and Larry examine what Scripture reveals about unseen powers and question the true intentions behind the growing push for extraterrestrial disclosure. If these beings are not what humanity has been led to believe, what happens when the world finally encounters them?If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890📕 Order Tony's Book: https://a.co/d/0bJS3SaV🎥 Tony Merkel YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@tony.merkel🌐 Visit: tonymerkel.com📰 Subscribe to Our Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/newsletterBecome a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe CounterS2 EP1 (Witchcraft): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comLarry Ragland:Website | YouTube | BookSPONSORSGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyRUMBLE WALLET: https://rumblewallet.onelink.me/bJsX/ConfessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media6726 Morganton RdP.O. Box #08Greenback, TN 37742SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcastTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelReddit: reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hProduced by: @jyorkofficialOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - Down The Rabbit HoleAvailable on Spotify

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So hundreds of episodes waiting for you on the other side of the proverbial veil. See you there at the Confessionals podcast. podcast.com slash join. Oh, and also you get access to our show app that way. You can listen on the go as well. Okay. Now, this week we have Larry Raglan sitting down with me in studio, the return of the rag. And he and I have a great conversation. You see, he has been diving into the four entities that they are calling different four species of aliens. You have the reptilians, you have the grays, you have the Nordics, and you have the mantis. And he is equating that to Ephesian 6th. and the principalities Paul talks about.

This was a very fun and interesting conversation. We hit these topics and he breaks down how he is viewing it. So I hope you guys enjoyed this conversation. Let's get to Larry right now. Larry Ragland. Come on, Tony Mark. In studio? Yes.

I don't think there's a better way to have you on the show than in studio. Come on. My honor. Honestly, the first time I think I ever had you on the show, we did that CERN episode. Yes. And if you want to talk about like a divine relationship that we have here, you have been over the last several years I've known you raised up to be a voice in as a pastor in this disclosure realm. When I met you, you were not that. When I met you, I think you maybe had 10,000 subscribers on YouTube.

And you put me in a situation that I was yours. with. Like, I don't like when people assume that I'm just going to give my phone number away willy-nilly. And you walk over to me and you don't even ask me, you put your phone in my face to say, I need your number. I'm like, who is this? Who is this guy? Yeah. And I did it begrudgingly, but I think it was divine. Yeah, it was. And it feels like everything in our relationship has a divine nature tied to it. I agree. Our first recording that's, CERN recording, we recorded it. It sat until it was ready to be released. I scheduled it. It was probably like two, three months later that we scheduled it to be released. And it just so happened to be the

day that they turned CERN back on. Yep. That's right. And it was like, you know, it just, it blew it. And I, you know, it blew up for back then. Sure. Back then, I think I was probably expecting and hoping for maybe 20, like 20,000 be really good, I think back then. And it had like 50,000, in the first 24 hours or something. I remember. I was like, what the heck, you know? And so it's like this divine thing that's been happening with you and I. And even you coming on the show, every time you come on the show,

we get like such great reaction to what's been discussed and said. People have been coming to your church that heard about you on the show. Join our church. We have people serving as leaders in our church that saw me on this program. Yes. So they've become leaders in the church. Yes. Man.

It's awesome. You got one of those weird churches. I do. I do. It gets weird as what the T-shirt says. Holy cow. So a lot of things that just, when I look back on it, God's thumb of the stamp of approval has been on this relationship. Which is why I think I had taken, I'm not going to go deep on this, but I had taken exception to some people when everything kind of went haywire a few months back with the whole pastures meeting stuff.

I heard rumblings and I tried not to pay too much attention to it. But some of the things that I heard was that Tony needs to, the default that Tony has was that he needs to pick his friends better. And I took exception to that for everybody, you know? But with you, it's like, well, you know, I would say the DOZ, Z, U, Signorelli. Like, these are people that I feel like I didn't, I didn't seek French. with is like God brought him to my cross my path. And so, and you're somebody that I just feel like everything we've ever done together has just been inspired by the Holy Spirit.

And so whenever I get a chance to have you in studio, it's going to be a fun time. It's going to be a good day. And so your book that you just came out with the final flood. Yeah. Right. That came out, what time this year? When this? April.

In April. Yeah. And how's it going? It's amazing. I was not expecting it to do as well as it did. I really just wrote it out, just get it out of me. Didn't know what was going to happen.

It stayed consistently in like the top 50 of different categories. And for a while there was like a number one. I was just like, what is happening? New York Times Best seller. No, no, no, not that number one. Working up to that? No, no, no, no, no way shape, or form. It was just sort of on Amazon different things.

I would be surprised about it. I was like, wow, I just didn't see this coming. But I think it was a testimony of where people are at right now. They're very curious about that subject. Not just the subject we're going to talk about today, but just what does the Bible say about it? Yeah. So I think that really struck a nerve there. So I was very thankful.

I'm very blessed and honored by it. I really am. Yeah. I think that this book started so many conversations. I think I have two episodes with you basically all this book. Yeah, absolutely. And to see those conversations, the impact it's had on people, it's really cool to see. before we got too far in this conversation,

because we're going to talk about, well, your next book, which is, I think you said the manuscripts do, what, this month? Like tomorrow. Tomorrow? We're recording this, so yes. Is it all out of you? Oh, yeah.

Okay, good. I'm just sort of reading back over it right now, but it's out, yeah. Micromanaging the manuscript? Yeah, yeah. But this conversation we're going to have today is based on what's coming in this next book, which is part two of three books. Follow up, yes.

Three books, trilogy. I know some of the things we're talking about today, and it's wild because I heard you preach about it. Yeah. The four species of aliens. Yeah. And how that relates to scripture is wild. But I want to kind of magnify the miraculous as well,

because what I was just talking about with this pastor's meeting. Yeah. Like, my world was crumbling. I think, and I think I told you before we started recording, I think you're the first person that was involved in that whole thing that I'm sitting down with again, right? So, not that I would sit down with. It's just, you're the first one.

Yeah, sure. And I was, like, that was a terrible few weeks for me, you know? And I wasn't afraid of, I don't know, de-platformed or losing whatever. I wasn't afraid of that. I was really stressed about the inaccurate messaging of what was actually happened. Yep. And how that in the end can turn and reflect on the one I'm trying to represent.

Yeah. You know, and I know you found yourself in a very similar situation. And with the Burleson stuff, if you looked at X, I mean, you were, I mean, they were ready to string you up. and they were not happy. Everybody was against you. And you did something that went against, I think, nature. I think people tend to want to find themselves in a situation. They don't want you, but they find themselves in a situation like that.

And they wanted to defend their position. And no, no, I wasn't wrong. Or you don't understand. Let me defend myself. And you just didn't do that. You just went forward and you made, within less than 24 hours, you made a video addressing Burleson himself. And just really, because in that moment, I bet there was a lot of pride that was trying to creep in and you swallowed that. And you're like, I'm not, this is not about me.

This is about the representative, being a representative of who I need to represent. And you address Burleson publicly. And to see what happened from that is really miraculous and shows the redemptive. power of Christ when we let him enter the situation. Like, imagine if you didn't like Christ entered the situation and you just handled it yourself. Like, this, this relationship you have with Burleson now could be non-existent. So, like, for a thousand-foot view, just maybe address how you got to the point where, what, two weeks ago, you're in D.C. sitting down with Berluson on his podcast as a friend.

not even as a guest as a friend recording with him. Yeah. That's wild. It is wild. I want to go back to this early on in the ministry. As you and I have talked many times and you know, I've been pastor in the same church for 32 years. I've been ministry for 37 years. And so I've been doing ministry for a while.

And so I understand the attack of ministry what comes with it. So a long time ago, God really spoke to my heart and said, son, you're going to go through some things where you're going to have to let me go before you. you and defend you. If you try to defend yourself, it's never going to end well. So when all that went down and I realized what it absolutely sounded like I was saying. I was sounding like I was saying, you know, because I'm very, you probably know this about me. I'm very energetic. I get very excited and I got very excited on that particular podcast. And as I said on my apology video to Congressman Eric Brousson, I didn't pause and say, now this part is my opinion. And when I looked at the video and I realized what was blowing up, it absolutely 100% looked like I was saying Eric Brosen said that.

So I never thought in my mind ever that I would ever meet Eric Burleson. So I just said, you know what? It doesn't matter for ever meet him. This is a man that it sounds like I'm saying that he said that the aliens seated us and that, you know, they created the Bible and all this. And I knew that he didn't say that. I knew that I had always said that. I mean, my people would tell you 25 years ago before I was even down this rabbit trail, I knew there was going to be some kind of alien thing coming. So I've always said that.

So I didn't pause and say, this is what I've always said. So that's what I said in the apology video, and I apologize directly to Eric Berlinson because I didn't want him to think I was saying that. So it wasn't long after that. He responded on the X to me that he appreciated that. So I thought I was blessed by that, that he appreciated the honesty. And he said, look, I've had my words misconstrue. I've misspoke before and all that. And I was really kind what he said.

I'm paraphrasing what he said. But I thought that was as far as it would go and had no idea that God would use. used that moment to create a friendship to where he actually reached out to me. I had no way of reaching out to him. He reached out to me. He found a way to get a hold of me. And we became friends. And we talked and we met. And it was really amazing. We didn't even talk about this. We talked about the Bible. He's a man of God. And he just really just broke down the scriptures. We talked about angels and Nephilim and all kinds of things. And then he blew my mind. He said, what you need to do is come to Washington, D.C. and be on my podcast. And I'm, I'm sitting there

going, look at what in the world is God doing here. So, yeah, so just recently, Sandy and I flew to Washington, D.C., sat down in his studio, was a guest on his program, and he said himself on the program. Everybody can go watch it. I think his podcast called Fresh Freedom, we addressed this at the very beginning, and then we just get into the Bible for almost an hour. And one of the things that he sells in that podcast, which I just give God all the praise, is he's the one that said, who would have ever known that through all of this,

we would become friends? And you're my friend now. And so as a pastor, to be a friend of someone like Congress, Eric Berluson, means the world to me. And he's the real deal, man. I know you know him as well. And he's just to have a voice out there on that's the forefront voice. I mean, let's think of, he's really one of the top three voices in this whole subject. And he's truly on fire for God.

So, yeah, it was, it was miraculous what God did. You know, we all learned a lot of lessons through that. And we realized where we're at. and what the attack that's going to come when you address these kind of subjects, because that's what we're doing, he's exposed in the spirit realm. But I appreciated him, and I appreciated what, and I certainly am thankful for what God has done as a result of it, and I think God is going to continue to use it.

So I think that a couple of things. One, so no longer is there a misunderstanding right here on the show, you have said you had a private, meeting with sitting congressman. You sat down with a congressman. No, no. Well, I did it in this podcast. Yeah, I did it his podcast.

Yeah. Yeah. So, and you talked about stuff. No, no. You know, one of the things that he says on the program, too, is that he says, you know, he called in. Yeah. And I even says on the show that he listened to some of the discussion that was

that we were part of. That meeting that I was a part of was eight hours long. There was a lot of stuff said in eight hours. to be cadets down to a few shows. Honestly, I used to say eight hours. I feel like it was like 10. I think it felt like 15. It felt like 15.

It was long. If you factor in lunch and all that, it probably was over 10 hours. Yeah, that's probably true. Yeah. Yeah, it was a all-day thing. And it was a lot of information to process. It's the longest class I ever sat through.

Yeah, me too. But yeah, so I just feel like there's things that we have not come to realize yet with all this that happened a few months ago. and we might look back 10 years from now with time behind us and seeing where God took things and come to an understanding that what happened a few months ago had to happen for what was going to develop. And so there's things that I think that might, that certainly probably have not even

unfolded yet in the future, that would have been impossible if what we gone through had not happened. Well, I was thinking about, you know, when I was on his podcast, even some people that were in the room, too, we were talking earlier, after when it was over with, is that, you know, through it all, you know, the Bible says, all things work to good, to the good to them that love the Lord and are they called according to his purpose. And what is, you know, how do we live that out? Most of the time, what that really, how we use that as encouragement to us is that we don't believe that scripture and claim that scripture when everything's going great. We automatically think God's working to our good.

But when all hell's breaking loose, if you love God and are the called according to his purpose, and what is his purpose? John says his purpose is for this purpose was the Son of God manifested that he might destroy the works of the devil. So if you're out there in spiritual warfare and you're destroying the works of the devil

and you love God and your heart is pure and you're doing the best you can to serve God, then guess what? God's going to turn that thing. And if all that wouldn't have went down, I mean, we have a sitting congressman who is a man of God. And most people, he's never been ashamed of his Christianity. But he was not ashamed on his own podcast to go there and ask questions about this.

What we're going to talk about today? We talked about with a sitting congressman and talked about spiritual warfare and talked about Nephilim and talked about the sons of God in Genesis chapter 6. So I was just sitting there going, look at what you're doing, God. This is amazing how you've turned this for the good. You literally are fulfilling your words right now, not for the good for me to be sitting with a sitting congressman, but that a sitting congressman is unashamed to tell the world, hey, this is my worldview. I'm skeptic when it comes to this. I'm investigating, getting evidence, but I want all you to know that I'm unashamed, that I'm looking at it through a biblical view. So that's what God did through this, and it just blows my mind.

Yeah, it's wild. And everything's just so timely. I mean, your first book coming out and the way that kind of has rolled into everything that's unfolded this year, I remember when you sat down with Destiny at the conference and we prayed about it. And that was the development of this first book, The Final Flood, that is now becoming a three-part series. So the second book, What is This Direction? So you have the Final Flood.

and tell people about the final flood as far as like what was the goal to accomplish on that book and then how does that roll over into the next stage of what you're trying to accomplish. Okay, the final flood is based on my journey into understanding all things blurry and weird that you've been talking about for decades now for years. But it was my story into, okay, God, do you really want me to study this? And the Lord told me to park in Matthew 24, don't leave until I tell you to leave. and I was there for two and a half almost three years. So I would still preach other things,

but I just felt the Lord telling me, okay, you've preached this before. Now funnel it through what God said in Matthew 24. And Matthew 24 is the famous, it's got a lot of stuff in there that could be five shows. You know, it's got wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes, pestilence. It's got this gospel shall be preached into all nations, and then the end shall come.

So it's got all that in there. But then the main thing they got me is it leads with before it gets to all of that, which is an answer to the question, what will be the signs of the times that we should look for that you're coming back? He leads with Cee that you're not deceived. So understanding scripture on the level that I understand it, and I'm by no means a theologian, I understand the power of when something is said first.

God is very intentional. Jesus was very intentional with every word he ever said. When he said it, not only when he said it, but where he said it. I mean, there are times in scripture that this unlocked, things for me about, okay, this is why he said this there. But he led with C that you're not to see. And then I think three or four other times in that chapter, the word deception is mentioned as well. But then there's that famous as in the days of Noah. So shall it be in the days of the coming of Son of Man. So Matthew 24 being parked there drove me back to the garden and drove me

back to Genesis 6. So I began to study it from a biblical worldview, but also from a worldview of the biblical lens was funneled through gen 6. So when I began to funnel things through gen 6, it was almost like a key was given to me personally, and I believe to anyone else that goes down that trail to study it, to unlock some of the mysteries in the Word of God. And it did that for me. And it wasn't conspiracy.

It was right there written in plain sight, hidden, I think, for this generation to see. So it opened up the world to me, and I began to realize that the reason it's called the Final Flood, is because I believe the enemy knows the end times even better than we do. He knows scripture very well. And he knows that his timeline is running out. He knows that he's running out of his time to deceive the whole world.

So I believe that if that's the case, and if we are the final generation, the Noah generation, then we're going to get a final flood of darkness, everything he's ever done culminating into one generation. That's the level of spiritual warfare. that we're not in, I think we're in the beginning stages of it. It's not going to get better. It's going to get worse when it comes to spiritual warfare. But then I said, okay, but God, where are you in that? And then I looked at Joel chapter 2.

It says, in the last days, I will pour out my spirit on all flesh. Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy. Your old man should dream, dreams, your young men shall see visions. So when you look and it says the former and the latter rain will be combined together in one month. That we know that process began in the upper room in Acts chapter 2, but it's going to culminate to the end as well. So I realized in scripture, this is my interpretation of it, is that we're going to have a final flood of darkness.

We're going to have a final flood of the glory of God. And right in the middle of it is the remnant generation. So whatever flood takes you over will be up to you, which one do you jump in? Man, it's war. It's war, brother. It's war, man. And, you know, you're saying what he said, what the Lord said, you know, he says, see that you'd be not deceived.

Like you're saying paying attention to everything he says, Like, he doesn't say, make sure you're not deceived. He doesn't say, like, any other description other than see. Mm-hmm. Be on the lookout. Yeah. Like, as, as, as, I think it's like, I think it's, I think it's Second Chronicles, 169, I think, is where it's prophetic. And it says that, uh, that God looks over all the earth seeking those who are, or, um,

My words not exact, but loyal and waiting on him to strengthen. He's looking. He's seeing. He's scanning with intent. And I feel like when Jesus said that, he said scan, look with intent. Yes. Don't just make sure you're not to see if you have to be alert and scan intently. Yes.

Because this deception is going to be coming and it's going to be meant to destroy. Yes. And so I agree 100% with you that. the final flood, the book, is laying out something that is very important for today. And funny enough, we can actually say was written before your thrust into mass public eye. Yes. You were warning this stuff before you were ever in a meeting where it was like, it was like a rally point for us.

We were like, yes, we know. We know this is happening and it was a confirmation. Absolutely. But you were writing this book or no, I think it had already been written. It had already been written. It's when the meeting happened. Yeah. Yeah.

And so it's for me and for the world and for you, it's got to be confirming. It's like you know it's really cool when God puts us in situations and we go through things and things happen in a certain order that we can look back on and say, thank God it happened that way so that I know I wasn't influenced by this first. Yeah. A lot of lessons learned too through processes that you don't learn until you get thrown in the And yeah, a lot of confirmation because, yeah, exactly, you're right. I mean, things that I wrote about that I was just like, okay, God, I see why I'm learning this right now for me,

but I had no idea I was actually learning it for the future and to walk it out. And with birth, through that process, birth other things that God is speaking now as well. Because y'all, this is a war. If you're watching this, I think the confessionals viewers know that. We're literally in a war. if we were not going to be in a war and we're not going to perpetually be in a war until he returns, he wouldn't have given us armor. And Paul wouldn't have talked about.

We wrestle not. So it's very, very clear that we're in a war. And you think about if we're in a war and your enemy, your sworn enemy realizes that he's losing or that there are new soldiers being raised up that are exposing your hidden weapons that religion has hidden for so long. and now you're getting exposed and you're getting called out. What do you think that enemy is going to do? He's the prince of the power of the air. What is in the air?

Media. It's a tool that he's hijacked. It was really a tool that was supposed to be created for the propagation of the gospel. But it's like anything that's ever been created, AI or whatever, that's in the world right now. The enemy tries to seize that and call it his own. Well, it's not his own, but he has power there and he uses that. So that's what he's going to do. And, you know, we have to steal ourselves and we have to get some tough skin to realize, okay, keep yourself pure, keep yourself in the word, keep yourself accountable, make sure that you don't isolate yourself because the war's not going to get easier.

What we all went through, it's not going to get easier. You know, the enemy's not going to just say, okay, well, they won, you know, no. Don't say that faster. I'm sorry, brother. I don't want to hear that. I'm sorry. That was terrible. Yeah.

So here. You're telling me what's going to happen more or it's going to be worse? The only thing that's different, though, when something comes again is your armor's been tightened. Yeah, it's been tested. Your armor's been tested. It's been tightened. And look, man, we're in a battle. And when you're in a battle, there's going to be attacks. But there's going to be some people like the Confessionals podcast, like Tony Merkel, that are going to have to be the voices that speak to the soldiers. And that's what you do every time you come on this program. And you've been on a. You've been on a journey yourself. I've watched that journey myself since I've known you. You've grown in your faith. You've grown in your determination.

You understand the assignment. And that's what I want to get people to understand is what good is information if you don't understand what the assignment is supposed to on your life to take that information and put it into action. I mean, that is what good is armor if you don't use it? What good is a weapon if you don't know how to use it? If you're in a battle and you know. you know you're going into a fight and you know your assignment today is to go into bullets flying

and everywhere. And you've got an armor? What good is that armor if you don't put it on when you go into the battle? So I feel like that's where we're at right now. We've gone through generations now, decades now, we were talking before we went on the air about a lot of the generals that have gone on before the Lord now, that's with the Lord now, that were sort of the pioneers of this topic. Well, guess what? Now we're the soldiers that have picked up. up that mantle. And so it's almost like there was, there was years and years and years where many of these voices were the exposure voices, meaning that they were, they were the voices telling the body of Christ. There's mysteries in scripture that you're, I hate to say it, because I'm a

pastor, but your pastor is not talking about. Your church is not showing you the depth of the word of God, of what spiritual warfare is really all about, why we even have spiritual warfare. So these generals were the ones that were giving us the mysteries. Well, now many of them are gone. So now I feel like the assignment is not necessarily to talk about Nephilim, because most people, they know what Nephlam is now because of the ones that went before us. Our assignment is, okay, how do we fight these spirits? What does this armor mean?

Why are we called to the kingdom for such a time as this? So I started really as, you know, as the book was out and I'm preaching and it starts filtering into my church. I start preaching these kind of things in my church. You know, there was some pushbacks, you know, some people in our church. It's like, okay, what's happening to pastor? You know, you know. He's starting to sound like Sandy. Yeah, exactly.

For those that don't know. Yeah, Sandy was there way before me. So it was like I really started hearing the Lord speak to me as a pastor. I mean, it's the same church now at that time when I've really started going down this road almost three decades. Now it's over three decades is, okay, if I'm going to preach about this, then I don't need, this can't just be a subject. This has to be, this is why you need to know this. Okay, it's good that you know this. And a lot of people just want to talk about this.

That's all they want to talk about is aliens and Nephlem and giants and seed war and transhumanism, hybridization, all this kind of stuff. Those are all interesting topics, and I think the body of cross needs to understand them. But I started hearing the Lord asking me, why do we need to know this? What do we do with it now, now that we got it? We've got a strap on the armor. Okay, now we know what we're fighting. So get in the fight. It's one thing to know what you're fighting and who you're fighting, but get in the fight.

So that was the mandate, if you will, no pun intended, of where God put, okay, it's time now to, equip the body of Christ, you've got the information, now what are you going to do with the information? You know, what you said about the pastors, churches, teaching, and all that stuff, I was somebody, no secret, if anybody's been a long-time listener, I was somebody that came down pretty hard on churches in the early days of the show. And it was a lot of, like, church hurt that I was dealing with that made me scarred and have a very work. view as to what the church's purposes. When it comes to pastors,

I'm going to ask you a question here, just a real quick answer, just for confirmations before I go any further. Did you go to seminary? Are you one of the guys like Philip Anthony Mitchell who didn't... I'm 100% that's why I love him so much. Yeah, so like... I'm holy ghost trained, brother.

I'm really... Yeah, well, that's good, because I'm really big on this idea that, like, I don't need a man and a piece of paper to tell me I'm qualified to talk about the guy. gospel. You know, if it's like, can I tell you the Greek Hebrew and stuff on top of head? No, but I can tell you the story of Jesus. Yeah. And let the Holy Spirit do what he's supposed to do. Yeah. But I went to Bible College for four years, but I probably have about two years worth

of credits. But I attended a lot of classes, right? And, you know, it's been over 20 years now, but I don't recall there being a whole lot of emphasis taught on spiritual. Warfare, obviously Nephilim or aliens and all that stuff. And Bible College, there's credits you need to get. There's for accreditations and stuff and for to keep your, you know, the college needs to have the state funding. So you have to do certain things, certain ways. And so there's just not enough time to really truly explore the depths, right? Yeah. And, and so I'm kind of confirming with what you're saying, and I just want it from my perspective, put it out there, and I think you could agree, I don't blame churches and pastors for not, because historically, I think

many of them didn't know it was a topic that needed to be discussed. I think that there's the spiritual warfare side of things that's in the scripture, fine, that's one thing. But when it comes to this idea of the Nephilim, how that relates to this, what traditionally was just siphon, It wasn't part of the agenda of understanding in seminary on that you're going to need to be able to understand this stuff one day. You know, that was like, that was sci-fi movie stuff. Yep. And so I think we're entering into a new era.

Yes. Of the church where there are pastors that are being raised up and equipped with this knowledge to be the trumpets in the army. Yes. To sound the alarm, the watchman. I think that I think you're one of them. And it's not to say if pastors aren't doing that, that they're not qualified or that they're not doing what they're supposed to be doing,

I think just like everything, we are all uniquely qualified and called by God to do specific things for his collective army. And so there are some pastors that need to punch in every Sunday and be preaching the fruits of the spirit and not even touch the weird stuff. Then there are some pastors that need to do that as well, also touch this weirder stuff because there are people in their congregation who are going through it and they need it. And I think like you're seeing, there's going to be people who are attracted to churches like yours who will travel three hours every Sunday just to be part of that congregation

because they need to be part of a community that understands what they have gone through. Makes sense? Oh, 100%. And the key thing, I love everything you said. Man, I'll agree with it. I love it. The fruits of the spirit are in the Bible. The gifts of the Spirit are in the Bible. salvation's in the Bible, prayers in the Bible, study to show yourself approves in the Bible. But so is spiritual warfare. So I would say to pastors and to Christians that are watching this, whatever is in the Bible, you need to know. Right. Okay.

So, yeah, even those that are maybe their assignment as a pastor is maybe not the same assignment that I have to maybe address these subjects like this, that's fine. I respect that. Preach on the fruits of the spirit. the key thing that I say to pastors, because, you know, being in pastoral ministry as long as I have, I have a network of pastors that, you know, we meet, we fellowship together, and I pastor other pastors, sort of a spiritual father type, whatever you want to call the term, mentor to them. And they talk to me about these subjects, and they don't feel like that this is their assignment, but they follow me, they respect me.

What I tell them is I say, okay, good, you need to know who you are in God, but what you need to remember, if you are a pastor, let's not forget what that word means, it means, Shepard. So you said it, you need to be prepared to answer the questions that people in your congregation may have. That don't mean you have to preach on it on Sunday mornings. It doesn't mean you have to have a podcast, but you need to have the answer to the question that they have about this subject because they have a question about this subject. Because, okay, they may love you. I'm sure they love you as their pastor. They love their church.

and they may want you to keep preaching just the way you're preaching. And that's why they love you and that's why they come to the church. It's why they're called to the church. That's right. People attending the church are called there for a reason. They're called there. Absolutely. In fact, Jeremiah says, I will give you a pastor that will feed you.

It doesn't even really ever say there's not a scripture that I know of in all six six books where it says that God will lead you to a building or that even God will even lead you to a congregation. But it does say he will lead you to a pastor, a visionary, a, a, shepherd. Why? Because you're sheep and you need a shepherd. You know, you're not just necessarily called to a bunch of other sheep because you study sheep, you know, they're not always the smartest animal in the world. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, so God's not really, you know, fellowship is there. Yes, it's about the body. It's about the gathering. But what you need more than anything is a shepherd.

Okay. And you hang out with the sheep and you do life with the sheep, but you need a shepherd. So I say to those pastors and I say to Christians, you know, find whatever lane you're in. make sure God is telling you to stay in that lane and not you just be wanting to stay in that lane, but whenever God finds that lane for you stay in it. But be prepared to know what the Bible says about these questions because if you don't have an answer to those questions, they're going to get it answered. They're going to get it answered. They're going to get it answered through TikTok, through Instagram, through YouTube. And some guy sitting in his mama's basement has, you know, just come up with some weird idea of his interpretation of what a gray is or what a reptilian is or what a mantet or a mantet or

or a Nordic is, or he's had some kind of encounter, and he's going to find a scripture that supports what he says, and your people are going to get their information from this guy that they can't hold accountable, that they don't know who he is, they don't know who's holding him accountable, and all of a sudden, oh, yeah, that explains it. And next thing you know, they check out of the church, and what we can't have happened is believers just checking out of the corporate gathering,

which was God's idea, by the way. he's the one that started it, checking out simply because they don't feel like they can find anybody that can answer their questions. Now, that doesn't mean, Tony, I truly believe this. That doesn't mean that you have got to have every question answered in your local congregation. That you, because the Bible says you've got to study to show yourself approved unto God. And I counsel a lot of people that they want to leave their church, they want to leave their pastor because they can't get their pastor to answer these questions. And I say, look, you better know you heard from God.

And how about this? When's the last time you really prayed for your pastor? That you really prayed that God would open his heart and its mind. So I'm on a mission for ever how long God still got me here on this earth, to not just equip my congregation, but to try to help as many pastors and leaders in the body of Christ as possible to be open. Okay, let's see what the Word of God actually says about this. subject because what's the word disclosure? The word disclosure basically means revelation. It means

the revealing. So if you understand disclosure means revelation, think about the last book. It's called the book of revelation. What is it called the revelation of? It's not called the revelation of the Antichrist. It's not called the revelation of the mark of the beast. All that if you, if you talk to somebody about revelation, you say, have you ever read the book of revelation? Oh, I don't know if I can understand that because I don't know if I want to know about the mark of the beast and the bee system, and the kings and the heads and the horns and all this. It's not called the revelation of that. When you read Revelation chapter one, it's called the revelation of Jesus Christ.

So all these things that come in the book of Revelation, God is saying, look, if you want to understand me, Jesus is saying, if you want to understand why I came, if you understand why I did what I did, why I had to become one of you, guess what? You need to understand the whole picture, the big picture. That's why God told me to call my podcast the big picture. He says because the body of Christ has tunnel vision.

We had the Westernized, the Americanized, the Westernized church. You know, we used to have these things called growth church conferences where we would, you know, people would go, pastors would go and learn how to grow the church. But what that really meant was these are systems that can get you more people, you know, do this, do that. And look, it worked for a while and that was a season. But where I'm at right now as a pastor is I'm not really worried about numbers in the seats as I am about who is in that congregation that is being equipped for the work of the

ministry. And that's why Jesus in his word says, look, when you unlock this, when you really studied the days of Noah, when you really allow yourself to find out what was going on, it will unlock so many mysteries of the Word of God that are going to be important to you in these final days. You know, what you were just saying about the church gross stuff, I think that biggest seller right now in church growth is authenticity. Yes. People are so exposed to so many people on a daily basis through social media, everybody is an expert in fakes and people who are in it for their own attention

because they see it on social media every day. Every day there are people on social media creating content for the attention. And I fall subject to it in the sense of this. Like, I don't really make Instagram content or anything. I don't make any content, to be honest, to do it. I have somebody else that makes it for me, but it's just pulled from the show. I don't really make stuff specifically for social media. I might one day, if I feel, I don't know.

I don't know. Anyways. But I will sit there. I can't tell you how long I'll sit there and watch somebody compete in rock, paper, scissors, and eat food. because it's got my attention. They were seeking my attention, they got it. And I'm like, oh, I'd destroy that. You know what I'm talking about?

It's becoming a very popular thing, but people are creating content for the attention. And because as people who are receiving that content, we are experts in spotting people who are in it for the attention, who are in it for the messaging, who are pure. And I think when people are going to church, and when they're seeking, even outside of church, just spiritual understanding.

existence and what this is all about, and they're seeking for somebody to guide them, they're looking and they know where the real ones are. You have to be authentic. And so, 100%. And one other thing I wanted to write down, I wrote down here just because I think it's important with what you're talking about and what I'm talking about with when it comes to the church side of things. Discontent with within the church people tend, I'm not saying,

because I don't know everybody's situation and story with it, but I could just speak for my own personal experience on the mistakes that I've made over the years. Listen, if your pastor is having sex with his receptionist and is unrepentant and is wanting everybody to get on board with him marrying her and divorcing his wife, you best get moving. Absolutely.

100%. Just get out. But if you're finding, yourself discontent in your church, like you said, going to the Lord requesting guidance on why you feel the way you feel and is it really grounds to jump ship is a very important step that I think probably a lot of people don't do. And because the uncomfortable answer is your discontent might actually, you might be falling subject to a weapon of the enemy. and the discontent is the first step of isolation.

The isolation is what's going to kill you. Leaving the church in itself may not kill you if you find another one, but if your discontent leads you to a cynical attitude where you are not part of a body and you're isolating yourself, that is extremely dangerous. That's where I found myself for the first few years of the show. And it jacked me up. thank God that he redeemed my life and everything in it.

But I just, I don't know how we got on this, but I told you we were just going to flow. And I just think that that is extremely important. Now, one thing did you said here in this whole process is the idea of armoring up, spiritual warfare, putting on the armor of God. Paul talks in Ephesians 6 about that, talks about the principalities and how these two ideas of armoring up against the principalities. two things come together. So I want to talk about the principalities and how they equate to these species of aliens, which is wild. And somewhere in there, however you see fit, I would like for you to also share with people this idea of how do you armor up? Because I, you know, I think we often throw things around, like put on the armor of God and, you know, the helmet of

salvation. And it's just like sometimes I feel like we don't lay out to people what we mean by that and how that's supposed to actually function and operate. And part of that would be at some point we'll get into testing the spirits as well because it's the same thing. You know, so I heard you preach about this. Yeah. And I was blown away. And I want you to tell people that because I think this is part of the book, right? It is. Absolutely. It's a part of testing the spirit. It's part of the spiritual warfare understanding of what you're talking about. All right. So let's just get there. Let's just go there. Mandates off, ripped it off. Come on. Let's go. Let's go. All right. So I was watching a podcast that most people watching this are very familiar with Diary of a CEO. I love that podcast, man. And I think that guy's

one of the ones that's on a journey to. He's bringing on some people that are telling him about Jesus. and he's had some hard questions, and you could see the wheels turning when some of these people are giving him facts about Jesus. So we've got to pray for him. But, you know, he has a lot of discussion about UFOs and aliens and abduction and just a broad range of subjects. So he had two very famous guys on there, people that are in the study of UFOology and so forth would know. One would be Dan Farah, who is the producer of the documentary Age of Disclosure, that a lot of people believes was really the beginning of this whole so-called disclosure when you had sitting government officials

on a documentary, not a dramatization, saying we are not alone, we are not alone, we are not alone. And he was very instrumental in that Dan Farrow was. And of course, even one of them being Marco Rubio was on that documentary before he was in the position that he is now. So you've got Dan Farrah on the diary of CEO. And a little side note about Dan Farrah too that a lot of people don't know about him,

just so people will know, one of his greatest best friends in the world, and actually his mentor is Steven Spielberg. And they did a movie together. I think it might be the only movie they ever did together. They co-produced it, co-wrote it and everything called Ready Player One. And if you've ever seen Ready Player One, it's a great movie. I love this movie. And it's a movie about a dystopian future post some type of apocalyptic event. And the whole world is living through virtual reality through these goggles. and they co-wrote this several years back. So I found that in my study of that.

So you got Dan Farran and Steven Spielberg. One of them is called The Age of Disclosure documentary. Five months later, you have Disclosure Day come out from Steven Spielberg. So these two guys are very, very important in this whole narrative of the UFO rollout and disclosure. So I saw Dan Farrow there, so I was very interested in that. Well, then I also saw they had an older gentleman that many are watching here are going to be familiar with. His name is Dr. Hal Putoff. he's been in this world for years, way longer than I was ever in this world.

I had to learn about him myself. But he's been a voice connected, spoke before Congress, being connected to a lot of the whistleblowers and everything. So they're both on this show. And at some point in the program, people can find this easily because I think he cut it into a clip. So you can find it if you search for it. So the host, I can't remember his name of Diary's CEO, he looks at both of them and says, Okay, so you guys are saying that we are in possession of these beings, non-human intelligence. Are you saying that we are, we are in contact with them, we've crashed retrievals or whatever.

We've had alive bodies, dead bodies. I can't remember exactly how you asked the question. How many are there? Are there just one? Are there thousands? Well, they confirmed that. They both confirmed, yes, people that we talk to, you know, says that we actually have these beings, that we've been in contact with these beings, communication with these beings.

And Dr. Howell put off, who is considered to be one of the OGs of this, speaks up and says, Now, I've not personally seen them, but many people that I know and trust have repeatedly told me over and over again, I keep hearing the number four. I keep hearing that we have four types of beings that we've been in contact with, that we are in possession of bodies, maybe alive or dead. I can't remember all of his exact words. He clarifies on the show that he's not seen them, but people that he trusts consistent. tell him those four. So they're like, what are the four? And he says, you know, over my shoulder, you see it on the thumbnail. You know, there are the mantids, the praying mantis-looking ones, the reptilians, the Nordics, and the grays. These are the four consistent ones that are always spoken.

So that was interesting enough to me. So then I thought, okay, I'm going to just sort of do a deep dive on these four types. So I start doing all kinds of searches. Well, I find Joe Rogan, and I find George Knapp, who the reporter from Las Vegas, that was the OG, reporter of exposing, you know, Area 51 with Bob Lazar, you know, he's the one way back when Bob Lazar did all his interviews. He was just a local reporter, I think, when that happened. He was just a local reporter. That's how he got thrust it into it. Exactly. But he's known as the voice now. Now, of course, now he's the host of the Bigelow podcast, which we could go into that. If you want to go there, that's a huge part of disclosure now with Robert Bigelow coming out

and starting his own podcast and talking about this every day. With George Knapp is there too. So you see this famous voice, George Knapp, who brings credibility. He's testified before Congress as well, and he knows the proverbial statement where the bodies are buried. Okay, he knows this stuff. He knows things that he probably could never say. And even he even testified before Congress. I remember seeing this when David Grush and all them first started testifying. You know, he admitted that, yeah, he snuck out documents from Russia when it was communist Russia about what they had found.

So this guy's very important. So when I saw him come up in the search of four types of aliens, that got my attention. And he says, and you can find this as well on YouTube, and I don't even know the context of the conversation, because it's just a clip of him talking about this. He talks, he tells Joe Rogan. Yeah, I've been told by many people that there are four types of beings. And he said, I even have, I can't remember if he said he saw it. He was in possession of it. I think he's, I think he may have said he saw this manual.

He said, our military even had a manual up until the 1960s when it was pulled that in this manual, they were telling their pilots, if you do this long enough and fly long enough, you're going to come in contact with one of four types of beings. He said, it was in the manual. And he said, but then the military come back and said, yeah, that was a misconception. So they pulled it out. He said, it's not there anymore. So when I heard George Knapp say that, and I heard how put off two of the OGs of this whole argument that's talked to all the people that all of us put together will never get a chance to talk to, they're both saying the same thing.

So when I heard George Knapp say that, I'll never forget. It was like yesterday's what I just went, wait a minute. Where have I heard in scripture? Four types. And in my mind immediately went to, and you quoted earlier, Ephesians chapter six. when I guess would be the the ultimate scripture of spiritual warfare in the New Testament that's revealing to us

because it's the chapter it talks about armor. It's the chapter it talks about the fight. It's the manual. It's the manual. And so here's Paul saying, we wrestle not against flesh and blood. So I stopped right there because what a declaration by Paul. He's making it very clear, we are fighting.

Okay, we are in a fight. but in order for you to fight this, you've got to understand who your enemy is. Your enemy is not your boss. Your enemy is not your spouse. Your enemy is not your pastor. Your enemy is not the president. We do not wrestle against flesh and blood. But when he's saying that, a lot of people will take that scripture and they'll just

only say, yeah, what he was trying to say only is that human beings are not our enemy. Well, yes, but he's also trying to make very clear from the instruction of the Holy Spirit to tell you, but you are wrestling. Okay. So before you go any further, those that don't want to talk about spiritual warfare, well, I'm sorry. Paul said, you need to understand spiritual warfare.

We are in a fight. Wrestling is a fight. We are in a fight. So it's, so it was obvious in the early church. There was no question. No one had to teach them they were in a fight. They knew they were in a fight. When you study the Fox's Book of Martyrs

and other things that happened to the early Christians. I mean, we don't know persecution. I mean, they were, their bodies were dissected. They were dipped in tar, set on fire, nailed on poles to become light posts. Their burning bodies, I don't know if we can say that on YouTube or what, but to light pathways for the elite to go to their parties and their games. That's what the early church went through. They understood warfare. They knew they were in a fight. They knew that when they spoke of their faith, it could mean their life. Not that they might get, you know, shadow banned on Instagram. I mean, we think that's persecution.

We think, you know, we lost, you know, 20 subscribers today. Oh, look at the attack that I'm under. You know, we don't understand spiritual warfare. I digress. I'm getting fired up here. No, it's good. So, but Paul said, look, before I tell you anything else, before I tell you about armor, before I tell you about who your enemy is, I need to first establish that you get this first.

you are in a fight. If you don't get that, none of what I'm about to say matters. You are in a fight. So I encourage everybody get this right now. You are in a fight. No matter if your life's going great now or not, promise you, something is being plotted against you. There is a very real enemy.

So he says, we wrestle not. Go ahead. I just want you're on a role. I just want to just point out a detail that people just have in the back of your mind as you're saying this. Paul, who you're talking about, is speaking, and he's not speaking from somebody who was a follower of Jesus. He's speaking from the perspective of a flipped agent. So he was somebody who, like, specialized in the warfare from the other side.

Come on. And so when he's pulling husbands and wives out of homes to arrest him, killing people for their faith, he was physically doing that as a human being. And now that he's walking for the other team, and he's been a flip-up. agent, he can look back at what he was doing and actually identify the layer of spiritual warfare underneath his physical actions. So he's speaking from experience. He knows the enemy because he was the enemy. Yes. So he is a, that's an excellent point, Tony. He's an authority. He's speaking on behalf as an authority. Hey, I have lived what I'm about to tell you. I have been on the other side.

Let me tell you, being on the other side, let me tell you what I found out now that I'm on the right side what you're facing. So we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but we wrestle against principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness of this world, and spiritual wicked as high places. I read it again, I read it again, I read it again, I read it again, and I said, it's been hidden in plain sight all along. We've preached that so many times over the years without really knowing what a principality is, without really knowing what a power is, without really knowing what a ruler of the darkness of this world is, without really knowing what the spiritual wickedness in high places is.

Like we don't even need to know what they are, okay? And ultimately, I don't think we really, it really matter. We just know that Paul made a point to point that out. So I thought, could it be, at the very least, a coincidence that you have these OG voices, these people continually consistently say they are being told by the people that are interacting with these, air quote here, beings, non-human intelligence,

we consistently see four different types. Then it came out that more and more of them, not all of them, but more of them would say they would interview abductees. And the abductees, now they've even changed that to the word experiencers now, and they've changed all the wording. Have you noticed that?

There's a reason why they've changed all the wording. So these experiencers, abductors, what do you want to call them, They give testimonies that when they have things done to them, it's usually being done to what they would be called the grays. The grays are doing the prodding and the poking. But many of them testify or say that they remember vaguely looking in the craft wherever they're at, whatever this is happening to them, and seeing other beings overseeing the grace. and they tend to say that consistently that the mantids seem to not ever get involved

that they're more of the bosses. They're the alpha males, if we would call it in the human race. They're the generals. They're the ones that is overseeing. And then people started saying that, you know, we just, I don't know if you want to go there, we just had a sitting congressman call another country reptiles.

Yeah. Okay. So they're reptiles. Yeah, exactly. Daggummit. But you can't find the video clip on your own. That's all we're going to say. We're not saying anything that's not in public knowledge. It's Kennedy. Kennedy said it. Okay. All right. So he calls certain nations reptiles. And I have not dissected the clip, so I can't remember exactly. But I don't even think he even says they're sort of like reptiles. I think he just calls reptiles. I may be wrong with that. But there was there wasn't any clarification. He just said reptiles and moved on and expected the host to. to just deal with it. Yeah. So you and I were talking off the air that when you have people that are that powerful, they know the power of their words. Yeah.

So it's almost like, okay, you're going to say that you're going to call out. I think it's four nations that he ends up calling out. It starts out with Iran, then he goes to China and Russia and all this. And he keeps saying they're all reptiles. They're all reptiles. Well, the second level that many people believe that are, have infiltrated, whether this is true or not, this is just the theory here. where they figured out a way to put skin over them and all this are in powerful places of government.

So then you look at the mantids are considered to be the high up, the top level of authority. The reptilians of the reptiles are involved in governmental power. And then you have spiritual, I mean, you have rulers of the darkness of this world, which seems to be surface level. And that's, of course, if you start going down the line, you say the mantids could be possibly the theory, the principalities, the reptilians could possibly be the powers, the Nordics, Pledians, whatever you want to call them, maybe because consistently they say they look like us, that they can interact with us. And then you look at the surface level, rulers of the darkness of this world, maybe they are the ones that are carrying out interactions with the world. And you have spiritual wickedness in high places and what is consistently spoken of about the grays that they look in the windows of these crafts. And I'm not making fun here. I'm just saying this is what people say.

And they see the alien-type beings. So when a crash happens out of the sky, it's not always the case. But consistently, the narrative is the bodies that are found in the crafts look like grays. So spiritual wickedness in high places. So my mind just started going there. And this is only a theory. I'm not saying that I heard the Lord say 100% this is biblical. This is my theory.

Gospel according to Larry. Write it in the book of Larry. Exactly. Larry's on the authorize version. So I started looking at it. And I started saying, okay, somebody asked me, said, are you saying that Paul was saying there's four different types of angels or four different types of alien beings?

I say this. I believe at the very least, Paul was describing four levels of authority. when you start thinking about the law first mention and you think about the power of principality. I started because you always want to weigh scripture with scripture. So then I said, okay, where can I get some confirmation on this theory? And then my mind went back to Daniel chapter 10. And Daniel chapter 10, the great man, prophet of God, Daniel, is praying.

He's consistently always heard from God. He's writing about the end times. And he's asking God for some instruction on the things that he's writing. and God doesn't answer him and God doesn't come and it's very unusual for Daniel to not hear from God but he stays consistent. He keeps praying for 21 days and we all know the story

Daniel chapter 10 the angel comes in the room and the first words he says to Daniel he says before you say anything I need to tell you I've been trying to get to you for 21 days your prayer was heard in heaven the moment you prayed and I was sent with the answer but I have been held up

Listen to the wording by the Prince of Persia. Prince Principality. We were also not against flesh of blood, but against principality. Highest level of authority. Prince of Persia, Principality of Persia. Very powerful demonic fallen angel over this region because this, you're so important. This word was so powerful held me up. So what had to happen?

Another principality or archangel, Michael had to be called. into the battle to release me. Then he says something interesting. He talks with them. He encourages him. And he goes, all right, are you good now? Because I got to get back to the battle because I've been told that the Prince of Greece is about to join. And it's just wild, man.

So when you weigh that with what Paul said in Ephesians 6 and you weigh it with the fact that we consistently see four different types of beings, at the very least, Tony, I think it is an extreme. coincidence. Yes. Yeah. Extreme. I mean, what's your, like you said, like description of different authorities. Yeah. I mean, he could have just said something more all encompassing, but he specifically laid out four.

Yes. He didn't say two. He didn't say three. Didn't say five, six. He said four. It was done within 10. I mean, there's, I don't know anything off top of my head, but I'm sure there's been plenty of times in scripture where Paul or even somebody else just spoke.

in a generality, it was just understood. All right, let's do one here. Genesis 6. It's spoken in a generality. Yeah, that's right. The audience of that time understood what we're talking about. That's it. You know what I mean?

That's it. And so he goes specifically for entities or beings or authorities. And maybe even then, the audience of that time understood where he was going with it. You know, they understand. Yeah. And I love the connection you have with Daniel 10. Daniel 10 is, I got to find some new material because I talk about Dana 10 all the time. But it's, I wrote down here and I've said it a million times, but logistics of warfare, that's what Daniel 10 is.

Yes. If you, like Paul's talking about spiritual warfare. If you want to know how tangible that is logistically laid out, Daniel 10 is, what I've seen, the best. laying out of, like, in elementary terms, here is how it logistically works, right? Yes. I mean, we can, like, I think I talked about this on a previous show recent. I don't know if it's aired yet or not, but like, I think I've accidentally started writing another book.

I'm on like page 54. Come on. That's not accidentally. That's happening. But it's kind of in this vein of spiritual warfare. And what I feel like has been uncovered in this whatever you want to, maybe just, I don't want to say it was like a download. I don't know. It just it spawned from my time reading. And I started noticing some things. I was like, hold on a second. And I think I've uncovered some very interesting things when it comes to warfare and what happened the day Christ was crucified. 24 hours of it. And so there's. that aspect of things where it's like you, you, when you look at scripture, there's these

different specifics that, and you have eyes to see, like we were talking about before, like how God looks and scours and he just like, he, he gazes over the land looking for things. And Jesus says, see that you are not deceived. Right. We need to look. And as we look with intent, the Holy Spirit will reveal these things to us. And so what you're saying with these entities and this idea of warfare, you might be identifying the categories of these principalities. And what these things are on the screen behind you might be just simply, at the very least, a manifestation of what Paul is describing. So maybe these things had different faces in Paul's time.

Right. But today's time, these things have these faces, but it's the same principality that he was talking about. Yeah. That's generally what you're saying, right? Absolutely. Yeah. Well, you know, we don't have biblical precedent that I know of, of praying mantis type being showing up. But we do have precedent of something along the light of a Nordic or a Palladian showing up in the story of Abraham and Lott and Sodom and Gomorra.

Because they were obviously angels, angelic beings, spirit beings. that had a human form to the fact that they could walk in into the Sodomacomero and the men lust after them and want to have relations with them. So we know that there's precedent for that. I sort of go back to this, is that the enemy's kingdom is so vast. It's minuscule compared to the kingdom of God. But encompassed in that is people who have bought into the lie and a lot of it is media. So you go all the way back, going back to Steven Spielberg, you go all the way back to Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

And you go all the way back to Alistair Crowley. When he drew the image of Lamb, it looked just like a gray. So it's like, okay, so was that all along the intention of the long game of the enemy that, you know, we can't have our beings just look like angels, like they looked in the days of maybe Daniel on that level. We need to manifest them to look like a certain narrative that we want to spend eventually because the ultimate goal of this narrative is not to reveal beings. It's to reveal a creator.

That's the ultimate goal is that, you know, these beings are out there because they're older than you. They've lasted longer than you. And they're trying to save you now. So I don't know how the different four different types came into being. I don't know if they're meat suits. I don't know, I don't, I don't even think God wants us to know that. He just, I think the assignment is we need to know that we have an enemy.

And there are levels of authority in that enemy. And Paul was not saying, okay, there's mantids, there's reptilians, there's Nordics, and there's grays. He's saying, look, whatever they manifest as, they're going to operate under principality's powers, rulers of the darkness of this world and spiritual wickedness-style places. So you need to understand that these beings were here 2,000 years ago for me, But they supersede. And yes.

And the argument that we are not alone, number one, that's true. Right. Okay. Okay. They've been here longer than us. True as well. The angels were around. The Bible tells us at the time of creation.

But that's not what they're trying to tell you when they say that. Those on the surface, those two are true. But ultimately, it's to tell us they are evolved beyond us and that they have an understanding of our world better than we do. And they're going to save us from ourselves. And that's what Disclosure Day the movie was about. If you go watch the movie, the backdrop is, as L.A. Marzuli is always predicted, that, you know, there's going to be a cataclysmic nuclear war, and we're going to need them to come save us.

So the thing I want people to get, and I want my congregation to get, and I want the viewers of our show to get when I talk about this, is don't focus your attention on trying to figure out what a gray is or a Nordic or a Mantic. you know, don't figure that out. Know that and it's okay to have that surface level, but understand why we're being shown that. We're being shown that not so that we can study to know what their attributes or what is their characteristics, what is their personality.

I don't care what their personality is. I don't care what they enjoy. I don't care. I care that they are my enemy and that they are not here for my good. They are not benevolent in the move, going back to Disclosure Day again. They are continued over.

and over again to be the compassionate ones, the empathetic ones. The bad guys are human beings. You know, and that's the narrative that's being spun. But one other thing I want to say, Tony, that so Paul writes about these four, these four levels of authority. And then he says a very, very important word. Every word in scripture is in their own purpose. And if we're not careful, we'll just read through it and think that it is just a word to connect thought. But this is not just a word to connect thoughts. So he lists the four types of spiritual authorities. And then he says, therefore, that word changed everything for me.

So, okay, you've got an enemy. So listen to me. Therefore, my command is to you. Put on the whole armor of God. that you may be able to stand in that day. Having done all to stand, stand therefore. And then he lists the armor. So if you're not careful, you'll only study him listing the enemy

and not study him listing the armor. So he says, okay, the only reason I told you you have an enemy is so that you can understand why it's important for you to have this armor. See, if you don't understand that, you'll just think that that's sort of an allegory, that is a type and shadow of making sure that you're saved, to put on the helmet of salvation, make sure you've got the breastplate of righteousness that you're living a holy life, may be sure that your feet are shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace, study the Bible, make sure you got the word, you got your copy of the words, so you have a sword of the

spirit and you live by faith because you're in your belt, you know, is put all together by truth. these are all symbolic things. No, no, no, no. Paul's saying, look, you're given this armor because you're in a fight. These are your enemies that are trying to take you and your family out. Jesus said the thief comes not but to steal, to kill, and to destroy. He's not coming to make you have a bad day.

He's not coming to mess up your day. He's coming to steal from you, to kill you, and to destroy what you love. The sad thing is, Tony, most believers, I put it this way. I'm an Alabama boy. Can I talk country up here in Tennessee? We've got a bunch of Christians running around but-necked.

But-necked Christians fighting butt-necked. You know, y'all might say buck-necked. But Alabama, we say butt-necked. All right. So not naked, not naked either. Naked, naked, but-necked. We got a bunch of butt-necked Christians trying to fight entities and beings

that was so powerful that they could hold up a word to Daniel, and you think you can fight these demons, these fallen angels, whatever they are, without the armor of God, the key word again then? Therefore, what's the next word? Put on.

You know what that means, Tony? That means. I'm going to get some blowback. I know this. You won't get some comments on this one. That means that not every Christian is wearing the armor of God. Just because you get saved and your name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life does not mean you're armored up. You have to put it on.

Why else would he say that? If you automatically get it, it would be worded something like this. You got all these enemies. Therefore, it's a good thing that you have the helmet of salvation. Therefore, it's a good thing that you have the breastplate of rights. It doesn't say that. It says, put on. You got to grab it. You've got to accept it. You've got to accept it. accept the fight. I tell my church all the time, listen, man, I hate to break this to you, but you need to know the truth. When you chose a Savior, you also chose an enemy. He comes with the package. It's a package deal because the moment you say, yes, Jesus, coming to my heart, you're the only way, the truth in the life, no man comes to Father by you, but you, I repent

of my sins and I surrender my life to you. The moment you do that, you have chosen an enemy as well that has demons and fallen angels working on their behalf. But Paul said, look, don't get overpowered by the four different types. He goes on to write in Colossians that Jesus overthrew Principalities and Powers. Now, he doesn't list the other two, but he says he names them again. Principality and Powers is named several times in Scripture in the context of Jesus overcoming Principalities and Powers, putting them under his feet. So he says, look, he's already put them all under his feet.

He crushed them. He went to the gates of hell. He went to Mount Harmon and transfigured in front. I mean, he'd done everything. He made an open show with him. He took the keys of death and their grave. But there's still a fight going on here until we get to the end, because that's a part of the human nature of life.

But I've given you armor. Why don't you put it on? And a lot of people say, how did I get blindsided by this? How did I go through this? And it would kill people in their faith, because they don't have the word of God in them and they don't have the armor on them. Man, if I wouldn't lock down to this chair, I'd run all of these guys.

I'm so excited right now. I feel the Holy Ghost, brother. Oh, praise God. So, listen, kind of what you're saying in a similar way because you said, you know, this might get some people upset, you know. Come on. It's, he would have said,

thank God you're wearing your armor, right? Yeah. I think there's a lot of people, I was one of them for a long while. I would say things like, God called me into this podcast, therefore God's got my back. He's going to protect me.

And I believe that. That's true. But I used that to roll into other things for an excuse of lack of preparation. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And I acted like I was untouchable.

Mm-hmm. However, I think we all know that I wasn't, but maybe this will be good for somebody else that's maybe finding themselves in that situation where you feel like you're untouchable because you know the call of God put in your life, and that's good. We should know those things.

Jesus knew the call that God put on his life, right? Mm-hmm. Jesus knew what the mission was. Yes. To the point that it was so painstaking that he sweat blood. Yes. A very rare medical condition

turns out that I would venture to say that maybe it's so rare because God only ever intended it for it to be documented one time in history to show people how anguishing Jesus was, like he was suffering before suffering began. Yes.

He was the only person in the world that knew what was coming. And it was so severe that he displayed something medically that was extremely rare. But maybe God created that medical condition for that one case. And in that moment, in the garden, even Jesus needed to be strengthened by an angel.

Exactly. He's praying. Yes. And he's seeking. And this is a whole other thing that I started going down. But like he needed the strengthening. He starts out praying if there's another way. That's right.

And I don't have it memorized. but when he goes back to second time, his prayer had changed to understanding there is no other way. So he's asking for the grace to complete mission. And when we know that an angel

had come to strengthen him, I just imagine at some point, we don't have a document, so it's just me adding. But I imagine like this angel just leans over and just whispers in his ear, you know? Yeah.

Father heard your prayer. Stay the course. We hear you. Yes. He heard you. Yes. And there is no other way. Come on.

You have to complete mission. And so he did. Yeah. And he did it. So good. Man. When I think about this, man, it really messes me up. It really messes me up a lot.

Like, the more I, I, um, the more I read these things and I look into him. and I try to understand the logistics of it, the depths of it, what was actually happening, putting myself like almost like an ethereal version of Tony in the moment where nobody could see I'm there, right? I'm just trying to watch this thing unfold. Like, man, dude, it messes me up because I couldn't have done what he did. No, I couldn't know.

And so like all this stuff that we're talking about, like even Jesus himself needing strengthening. We have been very blessed to be able to have the writings of Paul who can lay out how post- Jesus ascension we are strengthened. And a big part of that is the armor of God. And I want to say something else about the armor of God. By the way, what you just said about the garden, man, wow, powerful, powerful, man, I felt that. And the one thing about that is about what you've got to fully, the viewer fully have got to understand this, and I've said this for decades now in our church and in my life,

is when you take the virgin birth and then you take the death, barren resurrection, everything in between those two events, Jesus did as a man who happened to be God, not as God who happened to be man. So the reason he needed angels

to come and encourage him and strengthen him, speak to him, as you said, whatever that encouragement entailed, and the physical things that happened to him is because that was the man suffering, the man fighting spiritual warfare. If you do not want to hear about spiritual warfare, you can't understand the Bible. Jesus was fighting spiritual warfare.

That's why angels were involved. Well, the angel that encouraged him was not the only angels in that room. The devil was in that garden, too. There was war going. That's why he kept going back and saying, can you just not pray for me? I'm not asking you to fight this fight for me. Just pray for me because I am in a fight right now. I've said it in my church and I can't prove this.

Look, some people think it's sacrilegious. Say what I'm going to say, but I'm going to say it. The battle for us was not really won on the cross and the resurrection. It was finished and culminated. The greatest battle of the life of Jesus Christ was that garden. Was he going to do it? Was he going to do it? It wasn't by the time he got to the cross.

It was behind him. It was the battle in that garrow. Like, so what you're describing is something that I've been thinking about a lot recently. We look at what happened on that scene up to the crucifixion. And we look at, you know, when you look at the spiritual war fight, the fair side of this, it's like the enemy is just coming and ripping him to pieces. is like the battle started in the garden. The victory was decided in the garden.

And he showed up to the battlefield and waited for the enemy to show up. You said Satan was in the garden. Satan was in the garden when Judah showed up. Yeah. But he went to Calvary. He went to Golgotha. spiritually. Yeah.

And he's waiting for them to show up. Yeah. So they thought that they were, they were having, they were preventing what was to come. They were going to destroy him. Yeah. Bro. The moment, the last breath left his body.

And like we were talking about earlier in Matthew, the spirit left his body. Yes. The spirit left his body. And it entered into the spiritual realm. Yes. And all of a sudden, these demonic forces, these principalities that were waging war all day on a physical man are looking them in the eye on their territory. And they fled.

That's right. Because now the king has come. Come on, man. There's no barrier. He's now in our house. And he's looking at us right in the eye. Yes. And says, give me your keys.

What else he got? I'll take the keys of the death-hilling gray wall up here. Yeah. And so like the and we're talking about something that like what I was saying earlier like this is kind of what the book is kind of like developing into but like it

the warfare that happened that day is so deep and layered and it ends with not a breath but him transitioning to the next battlefield and he kept going. Kept going. Like everybody else

is crying. Yeah. scattered, the body's dead, he kept fighting. He showed up to the battlefield before the enemy arrived. He decided and committed that I was going to win this battle. I'm going to win this battle by physically losing. And then when I die, I'm going to step into their territory

and I'm still going to kick their rear end. Exactly. I'm still going to kick their side. I'm going to. It's just this is what's going to happen. Yeah. And so I imagine, I was waiting for this. happen. It's been happening a lot recently when I record.

I started losing my voice. But I do imagine, without ever seeing the film, I think Mel Gibson is probably going to portray that. Yeah, there's too. Yeah. Dude, you know, he's got two movies coming out. Two. There's two. I saw the sequel coming for his passion. Well, it's two parts. Oh, okay. It's so much. It's two

full movies. Wow. They're going to release one year apart from each other. Where are they coming out? Next year, the first one. The first one's coming out next year. I got to write my book before that. 27 and 28 is coming out. Dude, he says, he's alluded to that he's going to cover when he goes to hell. He literally says that's the hardest part for him to write is when he goes to hell while his body lays in that tomb. And everything you just described, he's put it in there.

Wow. And there are rumors, boy, I hope he does this because nobody could do it like Mel Gibson. There are rumors that he is going to cover the Garden of Eden and the watchers coming across and how it all began. for him to understand. Yeah, he has to. And it's two parts. Okay, one other thing I want to clarify because I felt the spirit,

some people need to understand something I said about the armor of God. I'm not saying, and I want everybody to get it, that when you're saved, you're not, when you're saved, you don't have the helmet of salvation. That whole chapter of chapter six is dealing with authority. You are saved.

You are righteous. You are girded with truth at salvation. What Paul was saying, in my opinion, is there's an authority, just like there's four authorities in the spirit realm that we're fighting, there's authority that comes with salvation. There's an authority for the fight that comes with the breastplate of righteousness, with your feet, shab of the preemption of the gospel of peace,

with the sword of the spirit, shield of faith. So I think he's telling us this is a microcosm of spiritual warfare. Go get it and put on the authority that comes with your salvation. The authority. I'm not saying you can earn anything, because I know some people in the comments right there are saying, wait a minute, you're trying to tell me that I'm saved and now I still got to fight for my salvation.

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there's an authority that when you know who you are in God, when you understand what holiness brings, righteousness, when you understand what truth means, it's not just a concept that you just get when you're saved. There's an authority that's the next level that comes with it. So I want to encourage everybody that when Jesus fought that fight, wow, man, what you were saying, man,

just feel God all over that whole story that you were speaking about your heart for that. And I think people need to go back and watch that whole segment again because there's stuff in there that was coming out of you that you probably need to even really go back and watch yourself because it was the Holy Spirit speaking out of you. But that fight, think about the difference that came in Jesus. You have Jesus, the man, saying, and it blows my mind that the creator of the universe, that the Bible says nothing was created that was not created by Him. Him. The word of God that became flesh holds it all up. And he is under such warfare that he says,

if there is another way, God, can I just one last time? Maybe I missed it as a man. Is there another way? Nevertheless, not my will, but your will be done. So he struggles, he sweat, is great drops of blood. But when he comes out of that battle, he walks up to Judas and he says, do what you come to do. I'm ready. He just starts a steel, a steel in him. And, you know, Peter's like, no, cuss the ear off. He says, chill, man, don't you do that. Those that live by the sword will die by the sword, puts the ear back on.

He says, let's go. Next thing you know, man, this fires me. It's like a movie man. He's standing before Pilate. And they're like, do you not know that I have the power to do. do this and set you free. He's like, you don't have the power to do anything from me. You don't even know who I am. I got the power to call down a legion of angels right now. They could pull me out of this moment at any moment. So what happened? You know, this is still God. He doesn't change

from being God in that garden. But the man, Christ Jesus, had a boldness on him for the war that came against him, you know, people say, you know, they killed Jesus. They killed. Nobody killed Jesus. Going back to Mel Gibson, man, you go back to the Passion of the Christ, one of my favorite scenes, the Passion of the Christ, two favorite scenes in there. And I hate to call favorite scenes because it's horrible. The movie's just horrible to watch. Two of the most impactful scenes. Yeah, that's much better spoken. It's when Jesus falls on the cross, and you can go back and watch it, it's only for a second and you'll miss it. But he falls and his body collapses and he falls off the cross.

And they're throwing him, they're pulling him back up on the cross. And Jim Cavizio does this. He shifts his shoulder. Oh, I feel God right now. He shifts his shoulder. And he climbs back on the cross. He helps him. And Mel Gibson described it.

When they was interviewing, they said, I wanted to depict he, if he had to himself, he would have climbed back on it himself. And it just moved me so much to go back. He does his shoulder like this and says, let me help you guys. Let me help you. And just lays on that cross. And in that interview, they asked Mel Gibson, they said, are you not, why are you not a soldier? Why are you not a person in the crowd?

This was such a passion, no pun intended for you. Why are you not in the movie? I don't know if you've heard him say this. He says, I am. There's one scene I am in the movie. And the interviewer says, are you something like, are you a soldier or whatever? He goes, no, no, you would never know it's me. One scene.

When the hand is holding the nail, a hammer comes down and drives the nail through his wrist. He said, that's my hands. He said, I told him, I'm the reason. He's on that cross. Give me the nail. give me the hammer. He said, I dropped the nail through the hands of my Savior. He said, those are my hands.

And I thought, my God, you can say whatever you want to say about Mel Gibson. But you know what? He gets it. He gets that he's not even worthy to even tell this story, but somebody needs to tell it. We, what he was saying, he goes, that's all of us. I grabbed that nail and that hammer because we're all the ones that held that nail in that hammer. And Jesus just said, go ahead. What did he do?

What did he say? Father, forgive him. For they know not what they do. They didn't do any of this. They didn't do this. They all going to think they did. And generations later, people are going to hate an entire race of people, my people that I am one of. They're going to hate them.

They're going to say they killed me. They didn't kill me. Nobody killed me. I fought this battle. I won this battle. I faced him. I went to his territory. I crushed his head.

I told him in the garden that the seat of the woman was going to crush his head. And I did it. I did it. Nobody else did this. That's why I can say no other way to heaven

except through me. Religion didn't do it. Government didn't do it. Systems didn't do it. I am the way, the truth in the life. No man wins this battle and no man gets to the father

unless they come through me. Yeah. Man, that's why I sell my soul out to this guy, this man, not this guy, but this God, this king of kings and Lord of Lord. Jesus Christ. Dude, he was a bad dude, man. He was a bad dude. He wasn't some blonde-haired blue-eyed lamb-tote and sissy. No.

I can't stand that. You see him, he's walking around with a little lamb. Satan, come out. You know, no, this was a man. It was a son of a carpenter. It was a man that was beaten. It was a man that suffered. It's a man that died, horrible death.

And as you said, while the worst of the world, like, what are we going to do now? He never stopped fighting. He went to hell. He went to Abraham's bosom. I mean, he came back. And think about this, Tony. It's how much he loves us, man.

This is how important it is for us to get why he came. I started thinking about 10 years ago. I said, we'll start really delving into this. Why does no one talk about the importance of the importance of The 40 days. Nobody talks about the 40 days. Dude, the 40 days was massive. He didn't have to be here.

Bro, we wouldn't have the Gospels if it wasn't for that 40 days. Exactly. The 40 days, he'd already did everything he'd come to do. So it seemed. He suffered. He died. He predicted his death-barren resurrection. He showed himself.

Touched my side. He told his disciples. They all saw him alive. Yet he hung. out for 40 days because he loves people. You know what happened during the 40 days? This is so powerful, man. None of his siblings even believed in him ever.

They mocked him and ridiculed and called him a crazy man. The only one in his family that was with him that we know of that stayed with him was Mary. James and Jude, his brothers, they didn't have anything to do with him. But the Bible says during the 40 days in resurrected form, he appeared to. his brother James, his whole flesh and blood, and said, look at me, everything I said I was going to do, I really did it. And James was converted during the 40 days and became the monumental man that settled the argument between Peter and Paul. He became a leader in an apostolic voice.

The main episode of voice of Jerusalem. If it wasn't before the 40 days, that wouldn't happen. During the 40 days, he looks at Peter and says, Peter, do you love me? Then feed my sheep. He told them three times. He had to make sure that Peter got it because he knew that Peter was going to speak in the upper room. He had to make sure that his disciples got it because he didn't just come to die. That was the main thing. But he came to establish something called the church. And he knew that because he had given man dominion in the garden, when he left and his feet disappeared in that cloud, it was going to be on us. He was counting on us. And if you wouldn't have spent those days with his disciples making sure that they got it, chances are, Tony, think about this.

We're not sitting at this table today. Even what he did in his own body, if he would not have taken the time to eat fish, break bread, and do life with them and make sure, hey, I'm going, I'm about to go. But I've got to look you in the eyes and make sure you got it. You understand why I really came. Do you understand me? Do you love me, Peter? What do you mean do I love you?

I left everything for you. No, no, no. This is a different type of love. If you love me, here's how you show me you love me. Feed my sheep. He didn't stop until he knew that Peter got it. That was during the 40 days, man.

And then what does he do at the very end? He's standing up there on the top of the mountain. He goes, okay, one more thing. One more thing before I go. I've got your salvation covered, but I need you to be witnesses unto me. I've already gave you the great commission. I've already breathed on you.

I've already breathed my spirit in you. You have a born again experience with me. You get it. I'm confident on that. But one more thing, go into Jerusalem. And don't leave till you shall receive the promise of the Father. And you shall be in due with power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you. And you shall be witnesses unto me in Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria in the uttermost parts of the earth.

So he says, I'm going away. But one more thing, you need the breath of God to blow upon you. And when the breath that God blows upon you, I'm going to send you to the whole world. And the whole world is going to believe in me because of what I did, because of you. and then he disappears. Wow, man. I mean, he spent 40 days, and you're right, I don't think we would have,

I don't want to say we wouldn't have the Gospels, but we more than likely wouldn't have some of the books that are in the New Testament. Yeah. Because there was severe preparation happening in 40 days. It was a full circle cycle that happened on that 40 days. It was death, resurrection, proof of resurrection,

believing hearts coming to existence before he left. And there are so many things that, like, you mentioned about Peter and him asking, do you love me? And how many times was that, three, right? Three times, yes. How many times did Peter deny, right?

Three times. How many times did Jesus in the garden go to Peter and say, are you praying? Wow. Three times. Wow. Because you're going to deny me three times in a few hours. Right.

And then when I die and I come back, I'm going to ask you three times, do you love me? Like, that's this, like, that's, like, the patterns that only Christ could have fulfilled because he knew beforehand how all this was going to go down. Yeah. He, like I said, he stepped on the battlefield as a warrior. Not as a, not as a sacrificial, like, not only say a sacrificial land, but like, not as a soft. No.

Weaning. Like, you know what I mean? Come on. Yeah. And so, like, when Pilot was talking to Jesus, well, even back in the garden, the garden, when they finally came, he had already made a decision. It's wartime. So we see that happen in the garden. He declares himself as God. And when he's with Pilot and Pilate is questioning him in the natural, it's like, does this guy want to be saved?

Because the way he's talking, sounds like he's, he doesn't totally grasp the gravity what's about to happen. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But the whole thing was like,

in the natural, we see one thing, but in the spiritual, he knew there was no other way. Absolutely. And once the decision was made, that I'm going to do this, we actually watched a master class

of a warrior. 100% destroying the enemy. Come on. In a way that the enemy had no idea, It was happening. Nope. It was so covert and backwards.

Yeah. And it wasn't until he, that spirit leaves his body that I believe they realized what they just did. Yeah. And it was like time to pay the piper. Yeah. Yeah. And so I think when we look at all this, how all this lays out, we can see the supernatural aspects of Christ's life into his death. his resurrection, what happened between his death and resurrection, what happened between

his resurrection and ascension, after his ascension, because the fulfillment of things that happened after he ascended that he said will happen and have to happen, it's just, it's wild. It's wild. All of this is absolutely wild. Paul being flipped to being an agent for the Lord is insanely miraculous. There are things with that that are tied to that that if true, and I'm not even going to say it because I don't know, and it's something I'm looking into,

but if true, the road to Damascus incident very well could have been a situation where the payoff of that moment wasn't going to be totally fully felt until thousands of years later because of what Paul might have been going to do

before Jesus intercepted him. It's pretty wild. But it all kind of comes back to what we were talking about. The principalities, the spiritual warfare, you having armor, you need to be shown how to put the armor on.

And, you know, it's probably a whole other conversation for sure. But I would liken it to you probably played football being in Alabama. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So, you know, being a Yankee up north, I never played football. Okay.

If you put me, take me back to high school, ninth grade, a tri-off for a football team. This way to make it because everybody makes it, right? And it's first time playing football. And I'm on the team. I've been accepted. The coach brought me on the team. I'm ready to go. All right.

I'm excited. Come on. Go in the locker room. And he's like, here's your. pads. Yeah. Here's your jersey. Put it on.

I'm not going to know how to put it on. That's right. I need somebody to show me how to put it on. Yeah. Yeah. And so like Paul is showing us what we got to put on. Yep. And it's just by being put on the team doesn't mean you actually know how to put on the pads.

The authority that comes with it. Yeah. That's right. It's authority versus authority. Yeah. It is. And the authority that comes with that, it's there because you're coming against another authority. And you need to have that with you.

Yeah. I can't wait for this book to come out, man. Man, I'm so pumped about it myself because, you know, it's like you've wrote your book. You understand that when you start writing a book, the book sort of starts writing a little bit inside of you as well. Because as you study and you go deep into things, new revelations come. And while you're writing the book, knowing that other people are going to read it, hopefully. it's helping you see things that you needed on your journey. And this is what happened to me is it's just like, you know,

I've been in the ministry now for almost, ministry-wise, altogether, almost four decades. I'm that old. Okay, I'm an old man. Old man. But I'm learning that where God is taking me in this phase of my life, he's not only far from through with me, but there's new understandings that I'm going to have to have to face.

what I'm about to face. You know, and that's when Paul talks about, or actually John talks about, you know, testing the spirits. And I know we don't have time to go into that. But in the very vague sense of it is the way you test the spirits is you've got to test to the Word of God. And if you don't know the word of God, you know, and these beings that are, because, you know, for people to say what they're saying now in this disclosure world, I mean, come on, let's use

common sense. Five, ten years from now, they're not just going to stop talking about this. It is moving towards something. Would you agree? I mean, there's no doubt about it. I think whatever that ends up being, it is moving towards something very seismic that's going to shake a lot of people. But watch this. You test it.

You test it with Scripture. There's nothing new under the sun. So when you talk about, okay, there's a shaking coming. It's going to shake your faith. Okay, wherever I heard that in Scripture, Hebrews chapter 12. yet once more I will shake the heavens and the earth and everything that can be shaken will be shaken

but that would until to reveal what cannot be shaken is revealed the unshakable. The unshakable. So the only way you can be unshakable when whatever this thing is that's coming is you've got to be able to test those spirits. A couple quick things is test against the word of God

and here's the big one. What do these beings say about Jesus? Tell sign. Who is Jesus to these beings? Is he a good man? Is he an enlightened leader? Is he a religious figure that changed the world? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

No. Is he the king of kings and the Lord of Lords? Is he God? Is he the word made flesh and dwelt among us? Did he die for the sins of the world? Is he the only way truth in the life? If the beings do not say that, that's a simple enough test that I don't have any desire to hear what that being has to say about me, about my family,

about what I should believe, because it goes against who Jesus is. And the Bible says if any spirit or any angel says anything other that Jesus is the Son of God and that He is God, do not listen to them. Right. Larry Raglan. Tony Merkel. Glad you can. I'm honored, brother.

So we're going to take a pause right now, and we're going to go maybe have a bite to eat, and we're going to come back for a round too. I want to do a member's episode with you. Maybe we can dive more into testing the spirits. Let's do it. But before we get out of here, tell people where they can find you. You mentioned the big picture earlier. Yes, if you want to watch our show on YouTube, it's called The Big Picture,

and you just search the big picture, Larry Raglan, you'll see it. We do multiple shows a week there, but also pastor of church in Birmingham, Alabama, called Solid Rock Church. And many of the confessional viewers have come and visit us and become members of our church. If you're in driving distance, come to Birmingham,

go to Solid Rockchurch.com. If you want to know more about our ministry, our books, our blogs, everything, Larry Ragland.com. Simple enough. And the final flood. It's out now. First of three.

First of three. And the final mantle is coming. That's wild. That's what. Final mandate, excuse me. I said, Matt, I was going to say,

is that the third one? No, that might be the third one. Yeah. What is the third one? Do you know yet? No, no, yet. No. I've waited on the words. I've waited on the words. Final Mandate. I always say Mantle because I've preached a sermon called the Final Mantle for almost 25 years. Really?

And it's the mantle of Adam. And I integrate that into the book. But the book is actually called the Final Mandate. Final Mandate? Yep. Coming soon. Come in soon. Brother, thanks for being here. Thank you. Yeah. You sure you want to know?

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