The Confessionals - 91: The Alien Abducted Time Traveler

Episode Date: October 2, 2018

This week, we’re kicking off the month of Halloween the right way with an incredible and frightening Episode 91. In a two-hour interview, Tony Rodrigues shares how as a child, after insulting a fellow classmate whose father was a member of the Illuminati, his life took a terrifying turn: Suddenly, he was abducted by aliens - and kept for 20 years. During his captivity, Tony describes how he was forced into slavery, fought in combat against several races of extraterrestrials, and was satanically abused by his handlers. After serving two decades as a slave, he was returned home... as a child. Tony shares it all in this episode that is not to be missed!Patreon: www.patreon.com/TheConfessionalsWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail]: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcastTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelShow Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUwShow Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3

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I saw three long, bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappeared. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. and this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. Well, the giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this.

Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitate him. Got person, got percy, got spursing, got spurs him, when he got about 15 yards away below his head off. Feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over and look over. There are two small gray entities, and they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush, and I touch air.

Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Yep. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionals Podcast at gmail.com.

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This is about a two-hour interview, and it's filled with a lot of information. So let's get to it right now. Okay, tonight I have a great guest coming on, and this is somebody that I have reached out to a while ago, and I'm really excited about having him on the show. I have Tony Rodriguez. Tony, how you doing, man? Hey, I'm good. Good to be here. Thanks for having me.

From one Tony to another, right? So listen, man, I came across your stuff on YouTube, and it turns out as well, it turns out, was one of the first interviews, or if it was the first interview you did. And I was just fascinated by your story. And I hadn't heard it before. So I'm really excited about bringing you on the show because I'm fairly certain that if most my audience has heard your story by now, they would have told me about you by now. So I'm really excited about having you on. So your story is one that has lots of twists and turns. It's a huge long story. We may not be able to get through the whole thing tonight, which we can just bring you back for another show. But I would like for you to kind of

start working from the beginning of how you went into experiencing this abduction. And even before you get into the details of that, how did you go about remembering these memories you had? Right. That's a, you know, the memories is what everybody wants to know. And I think my, my personal experience was different than most, most people that clearly other people go through the same programs. Maybe it's not widespread. It's everybody. But I think a lot of people, a lot of people go, you know, if you're familiar with what is called a 20 in back, where someone has taken and then, you know, there are human government secret space programs that have access to ET technology that are taking people. They can employ them for 20 years.

Some people more. Some people can go twice and do 40, some more than that. It's all classified stuff. But basically, they're taking people for 20 years, and then they have the ability to age orgress them somehow and put them back that same night. And you lose people as soon as you mention the words time travel. You sell, you know, people are willing to entertain the thought of ETs

or breakaway civilizations or UFOs, all that. People can, your standard person in America can entertain that. But as soon as you say time travel, They're like, oh, whatever, hogwash. Basically, that's what they're doing. And they're using, they have the help of ETs that are more advanced, and it's policed by advanced ETs, time travel. You think, well, if they could time travel, it'd be the end of the world.

You know, how could that be abused? It could be abused greatly, but it's also greatly policed. Basically, they have the ability to take somebody, use them for 20 years, and at the end of that time, regress their body with a medical procedure, back 20 years prior and then time travel them back and put them back minutes after they were taken.

So a lot of people are being taken and then erase their memory and then there's a blank slating involved so there's memory taken away. And like I said, a lot of people, a lot of people that I was with up there that were in my circumstance,

which was slavery, a lot of people don't want to remember. The other person, that 20 year old person in that becomes basically in different identity It's a person that has a different life experiences to draw on doesn't want to remember. A lot of people just at that point say, good, I'm going to forget this.

This is great because it sucked. And I think in my circumstance, at that moment, those last days before I was going to get put back, I deeply wanted to not forget. I deeply wanted to remember. It was a very, it was a very emotionally difficult existence. I was very lonely and so I did find close friends and I was in love with a girl at the end of it. And so I didn't want to forget her and that motivated me. I didn't want to forget what happened. And so when I came back, I was taken.

I mean, you know, without going into the actual details of everything, I'll just, I'm going to try to go through a quick synapse. Basically, I went to school with a kid who said his dad was an Illuminati. We didn't get along, and he pointed me out to his dad one day, and later that day or the next day, I had a gray alien in my room and took me. And I did what's called a 20-and-back as a slave, and I was traded from private ownership for people on Earth. I did about six years on Earth as a slave.

I went through the pet-o stuff. I was a sex slave, and I went through trauma-based mind control under an MK Ultra program, exactly like they describe it. Any information you find on it, you know, it was exactly like that. It was scaled down. You could tell they only put like a dozen kids through it,

and it wasn't a very well-funded thing. You know, and you could kind of tell. They would cobbled it together with what they could. But then I went to Peru, and then through Seattle, I went to places on Earth, and this is what was really hard for me to discover. We talked about this. But then I was eventually sold off into a secret space program.

I was sold off to a military program and ended up on Mars. They did a stand of the moon as training as soldier support, like a support role for soldiers, and then went to Mars, which is actually thriving with life. There's a lot of life there. The program I was on there was canceled, and then I was taken and retrained at a city, a subterranean city on Mars, and put through a system, another system of not as traumatic mind control, but a mind control system that trained me to do. do ship repair and I ended up being sold to what's called the series colony corporation,

which was a bunch of Germans after World War II that moved out into series, which is a small planetoid after Mars right before the asteroid belt. A lot of people don't even know about it. But there's a series of underground German cities built in. They found an existing base there and they built into it. About a quarter million Germans lived there. And, lived there among with two other ET races and visiting ET races. And I lived there for about 12 years, I think, and worked on a ship that did trade missions throughout the galaxy and into other galaxies. And I eventually was promoted to the point of cargo engineer.

And I was in charge of one of the cargo bays, and I had some guys under me, and that's what I did. And I went back into my life. I was taken, and I believe right around 8. April of 82. I was in fourth grade. I would have been 10 years old and went through the 20 and back. And then when I put back, I woke up the next day. I was not the same person. I was a completely changed person. I wasn't the same. But I had no memory of why. And throughout my life during that time, I had symptoms of problems. I had problems from it. You know, symptoms of PTSD. I had other problems and didn't understand why. Because I went through a pretty normal life.

normal childhood, you know. And I had flashes of memories. I had memories that didn't make sense, you know, through my teen years of working on a UFO. And it didn't make sense to me to have such vivid memories. They were greater than dreams. And it didn't make sense because I told myself, when could I have had the time to do that, to learn how to be a cargo engineer? You know, because I knew a trade. Not only was I, you know, remembering it not like a dream, but inside the memories, I had a trade. I had a recaliener. I had a recaliener. call of how I got there. So it wasn't some dream, but I just brushed it off as

a dream because of the time aspect of it. Because when could it? Because I have a chronological memory of my life. I grew up here in Michigan. And it was in April of 2015, I started getting headaches, you know, just whatever

for whatever reason. And I went and got an MRI scan at the hospital. And I went to the doctor and then they had an MRI scan. And about two weeks after that, I had huge chunks of memories. Basically all those fragmented memories assembled

and made a coherent timeline and I thought, oh my God, that happened. The same time, the same time I had discovered the other Randy Kramer's testimony who explained about the 20 in back. In one of his early videos,

he explained how the 20 in back work and I went. I went, oh my God, that happened. And then once I was able to accept what I had. I went home, more memories came. And it went on for a few months, you know, just big chunks, big chunks of memories of things that I really, a lot of it's not enjoyable to remember. You know, I mean, to be honest, the traumatic stuff came first. A lot of the, you know, the emotional

memories, things that were, the things that had an emotion involved, you know, being hurt or having sex or having my feelings hurt or seeing something bad happened. combat. Those memories came back, quit, you know, fast. And then so I'm still, I still remember, I still remember new things, small things now, you know, small details. Yeah. But that's what happened. Yeah. And that's, I mean, that was a great summary of what you experienced. Like I said, I know your story is incredibly long and you, like, you're constantly having new memories. but let's just start from the beginning how this all started and just walk us into this whole thing, man. You bet.

Well, in fourth grade, I was picked for an advanced learning class in my school, talented and gifted, the tag program. And we met on Wednesdays in the library of the school for a couple hours, an hour and a half or so. I forget. it. But in that class, there was a boy, you know, at that point in my life, I was something I could be proud of as being a smart kid to classify for that. You know, it gave me something to be proud of. So there was a kid in that class that came to school in a limousine and was pretty cocky and he was extremely smart. And I was threatened by him. And one day I went into the library and I was early to class and it was him. And it was him.

maybe three or four other girls sitting on the couch in the library. And they were all laughing. I walked up and they were like, one of the girls said, he can read your mind. Do him, do him. And he didn't want to.

He just looked at me and I thought, you can't do that. I thought to myself, that's not possible, you know. And she said, no, do him,

do him. He said, go ahead and think something, but don't say it. And I looked at him, and I thought to myself, you're the ugliest kid I've ever seen and none of these girls would ever date you.

That's what I thought to him. I mean, we were 10, We were 10-year-old kids. And he looked at me like he knew. I didn't believe he was going to know. But ever after that, at that moment, he looked at me with just disgust in his face. He didn't say anything.

And he never liked me after that. We were just, it was just, I couldn't get a whole lot. He hated my guts. And later on that year during the science fair, his dad came on and was, his dad came and was a judge for the science fair. and you know and he said in one day he said my dad's an Illuminati what's your dad do and I had no idea what that was

you know my dad said my dad works at GM my dad's got a great job my dad's super super awesome you know my dad did have a great job but I didn't know what that meant but it stuck out in my head you know it's something and he was he meant it in an insulting way

but when his dad came up later he pointed I walked by we're setting up our exhibits in the cafeteria for the science fair and I walked by him and his father and he said dad that's that boy I told you about that ruined my confidence and then they had they had a they had a exchange of words that I didn't understand what they were talking about that didn't make any sense to me and then I heard him say well he doesn't really deserve that and then his dad said well you just have to learn how to handle you know he said something to the effect of you need to learn how to manage your resources or it's you know and I just walked off I didn't think of it and it was later that night or

It was within a day or two. It was very soon that I woke up in the middle of night with your standard gray ET standing over my bed with his face maybe a few inches from mine. And I originally thought it was my dad joking around. I said, Dad, knock it off. Take off the mask. And I reached up and touched it. And, you know, like right on his cheek. And it was cold and wet and porous.

It was like it was porous. like a window screen kind of porous, you know. And I went, ah, eek, you know, I freaked out. And before I could scream, I was frozen and I couldn't move. I was paralyzed, like. And I saw at the foot of my bed two shorter reptilian-looking beings with hoods on, with kind of like a hoods. And they came around and grabbed me and carried me back to the foot of my bed.

And there was a flat. I thought, it felt like we went out. the window, but I don't think so, looking back on it, there was a flash of light, and I ended up in a laboratory somewhere in a round grate, and it looked like an underground room that was rounded, and it had machinery, like stainless steel machinery in it. And they did some medical tests on me, and they told me they, they, told me they wanted to use me for 20 years. They said they, his exact words, and this was the reptile talking, you know, telepathically. It was in my head. that we were speaking.

And he said, we want to borrow your consciousness. Those were his exact words of the term. And he said, I was lucky that I was going to get an extra 20 years of life that it was actually something to be thankful for. And I thought, as a kid,

I thought this was first contact with aliens for, I thought they had just landed and here we go. I said, I knew you guys were real. I'm so happy. I was just ecstatic. I was high-fiving. You know what I mean?

It was my mood. I was just thrilled. And so, I said 20 years. I can't go for 20 years. I got to be back to my mom and dad. There's no way. My mom and dad would, you know, I can't grow up without my family. I can't do that. And he said, you're going to go right back. It'll be back tomorrow. It'll be like you'd never left. So people do it all the time. Trust me. He's like people do it all the time. It'll be like, you borrow your consciousness and put you right back. It'll be like you'll wake up tomorrow morning and tell your mom and dad everything. And so I agreed. And they did a procedure. They stuck a blank. blanket over like a latex like a sheet over me and it sucked to the bed tight and then they cut around one eye and they cut my mouth open so i could breathe and they stuck a needle in and um it felt like i was seeing stars like you know like you know the punch if you get punched in the eye when you can see stars it was that it was like being punched in the eye i woke up uh who knows when later but i woke up at a hospital like in a hospital with a human doctor and a human nurse giving me a checkup. And I was in, I believe, I was in Enochern Air Base in one of the buildings there, um, in Southern California. And that's where I went through a trauma based mind control program, like an MK Ultra program, me and myself and there were probably a dozen other

kids there. How long did that MKULTUHR program last for you? Was that like a period of time or was it like the whole 20 years as you were involved in it? No, no. It was like a training time. And it's really hard for me to nail down a full time frame of it because at some point, they sleep deprived us. You know, in the beginning, they would do things in the morning that caused you pain. And then we would get drugged and then have to look at these movies of, you know, weird movies of like Hollywood stuff and Disney and then animals being murdered and then Hollywood and Disney. And then they all had subliminal stuff. and I mean, it was bad. And crime scenes, the movies of crimes, like, it was really twisted.

But the movie would play over and over again all day long, and they gave us, you know, like acid, like a hallucinogen. And then the next morning they would do something. Like, once they dislocated my shoulder, he put a contraption on and turned my shoulder dislocated, and I was in great pain. And then I had to sit through the movies like that. And then, you know, it was strange.

But at some point they, started with sleep deprivation where every night a loud buzzer would go off all night long and we'd had to stand up we had to stand up and sometimes they would come by and just slap you and you could go back to sleep

or sometimes they would come by and shock us with a hand like a hand taser thing a cattle prod whatever it was and then you could go back to sleep but then ten minutes later they'd do it again and that went on all night

and once that happened once the sleep deprivation happened I lost all sense of time, of how long I was there or what, you know, once you reach that point where you haven't slept, it was, I totally lost, lost any kind of, I guess, coherence of time. So I don't know. My instinct is that it went on for three to six months, total, you know, that that was, at the end of it, we were trained that if we got electrical shocked, that we would just go in. to like a state of mind where we didn't move, we didn't do anything, totally comatose, and you would accept,

you would wait for command. Like they could shock you, and then you would just stop what you're doing, and wait for it to be told something to do, and you would do it. So, and that's kind of what, um,

what they trained us to do. That was what most, that was the bulk of it. The rest of it was we went through a short, uh, remote viewing and, uh, they were give us some other drugs and, um,

they were putting us out like close to death. Like they were drugging us to where we would lose consciousness, but I guess there was a point where we were either channeling or we became psychic or something. Like I would lose consciousness. And when I would wake up, people were amazed with things that I said. So they were getting information somehow. They had created a psychic. So some way to access either future or past events. And what they ended up doing was selling me off to a town.

in Peru, in the river town in Peru called Porto. I ended up going to Porto Talwant and Suyo, Peru. And what happened was they were shipping airplane loads of cocaine to Colombia from there once a month or so. And I guess one of the planes went down in weather. And so they put me on there. And we would get up in the air and fly for an hour or so. and I had a handler, a guy that spoke English that lived there, and he would put an IV in my arm and drug me, and I'd go out. And when I woke up, he would tell me that I said the most, that I talked in Spanish, and that he talked to dead relatives, his dead grandma, he would speak to him through me,

and other people would speak to him through me. And I would warn them of bad weather or, like, I even navigated the plane sometimes, you know, while I was under there. So that's what they were using. And if you think about the war on drugs and the CIA, behind it, if that's the case, which my experiences that was, if they had access to this technology,

you can think how easy it would be to be successful at smuggling anything, let alone investing or running a company or doing anything on a high level. If you have access to psychics that you could turn on and off with a drug, that's obviously a very powerful thing. Yeah, I can understand that. So when you were in Peru and stuff,

you were essentially a slave that had to do what they told you to do. Yes, but you know what? There was after the program in the beginning, so the mind-breaking of it all was very traumatic. And as a kid, you know, when I was in Peru, I wasn't really stable in the head. I was kind of a crazy kid, you know, I was nuts. And I would cry for no reason. I wouldn't speak to people. I would just kind of days off.

and I wasn't right in the head and it took years during the 20 and back it took years to heal from that I did eventually kind of heal but it wasn't until later later in my late teens before I kind of got back to my own personality before I grew my personality back

before I got back to myself if ever but in those first few years I was just not right in the head I was a basket case kid during that time so slave yes but not really Most of the month I had a house with a bathroom With like an outhouse And I had a TV with a black and white TV that I could watch

And most of the time I just sat there And did nothing You know, there wasn't much to watch on TV down there But most of the time I just sat there and did nothing And then somebody would bring me at first they kept me locked in there But after a while they trusted me You know, they would leave me out And when I saw I wasn't going to go anywhere, they really, like, he's not going to, they figured it out that I wasn't trying to escape or something, that I was, you know, not right in the head anyway.

And they would bring me food and that was my life, you know. Sometimes my handler guy would come and get me, take me fish, and I would spend time with him, you know, to get me out. But once a month or so, once a month, they would have enough. Boats were coming down the rivers and dropped from places that they made the cocaine. and they would store it there. And then when they had enough for a plane load, they would load up and then I would go. And we would fly to Santa Marta, Columbia,

and drop it off there where it would find its way to its next stop. And I was there for a couple years, two years, two rainy seasons, I remember. So two years. Right around puberty, so right around 13, I started losing the ability. Every time they put me under, I would get sick,

and I would stay sicker. sicker until it was like almost until the next time before I recovered from the last time and it was right around puberty and then I started with the things I said was in incoherent like I was you know it wasn't work the same at some point it quit working and so I ended up going back to my original owner which was a satanic worshipping billionaire in Seattle and uh I went there first right after right after in right after California I went to their house and was privy to sit in on a ritual human sacrifice and another and a few other uh satanic rituals that that myself and two other kids that he owned and then we were sent to peru and then i was sent to

peru and the other kids i don't know where they went but i was there for a few weeks and witnessed that stuff then and then went to peru and when i lost the ability in peru i was sent back to him to that house in seattle and from at that point the house had been remodeled the downstairs it had had bedrooms and there were other boys there and we were sex slaves at that point. So this whole time that you're experiencing this stuff, essentially you've been abducted, kidnapped and you're being transported all over the world for whatever purposes they have for you. And in that timeline, there's essentially a... missing child that his parents are scared of death that he was never around and then in the grand

scheme of things you wake up the next day and it's like never happened because of the time travelability right yeah you know there's a lot we don't know um these are people that have access to time time manipulation technology so yes and no do i don't think so i don't think my parents are i was gone you know i get what you're saying there could have been a timeline and then it disappeared yeah but not Really, you know, I don't know. I get asked that question a lot. Also, it's important to state that when I woke up in California in that air base with that doctor, I had no memory of my parents.

I had no memory of mom and dad or my sister and brothers, none of that. I had no childhood memory. I was blank slated. You know, through the 20 years, I didn't know where I came from. I used to give me crayons. So in Peru, they used to give me crayons. paper to draw on and I always drew I always do the same thing I remember what I always drew a house with a long driveway with a super long driveway like I draw on the paper I draw a little farmhouse and then I drew the driveway and my real house had a quarter mile long driveway it was a farm house that the house that I was taken from so I was on some level I subconsciously remembered it I always drew the same thing over and over and over and over again but I had no I had memory of what it was I had no memory of what I was drawing during those years.

I mean, that was years that I, that was my doodle, you know. Jeez. It was my house I was taken from. And I, and I had no memory of it. So my theory is this, and this is a little bit off, off of the chronological thing. My theory about how the technology worked is this. I believe that they took me, I believe that there's more than one way for them to do this, to do a 20 and back. I think there's, you know, there's more than one way to make an atomic bomb.

You know, there's different ways to do the same. and ultimately they have the same result. I think that I was taken and cloned. And I think that the spark of life that's in you, I think that when you clone somebody, you know how they ever have a sheep and it just dies a few weeks later. Right now we're learning about that. And then they made it illegal, really.

But I think that you need spark of life from somebody to drive something as complex as a human when you clone it. So I think that they cloned me and the clone was a vegetable. And then they took my whatever essence out. They have the technology to do that. Your spark of life out and put it into the clone. And then it went on about its way.

So really, I'm still there, but alive, but a vegetable laying on that table. Then the clone does 20 years. They put it back in time and they can just kill the thing and bring your spark of life back into you and then set you on your way. Because the reason that the thing that reaffirms that theory to me is that when I woke up again when it was all over, I had all my memories back. I had no memories of the 20 and back. I had no memories of series colony or Peru. I had my memories of mom and dad all of a sudden. So how did they do that? Because it was localized in that body.

So when I woke up in the clone body, I had no memories of, I didn't have that set of memories. I had, when I made new memories. Then when they took, got rid of that, put me back in this body, I lost those memories and regained my original memories of mom and dad and, you know, the dog. things. That's why I have that theory. It's not like I was actually awake witnessing it. When you're under surgery, you don't know what's happening to you, but that's what I think

happened. I think that it's a variation on that kind of technology is what enabled them to do that. And as I learned later on in my service on the ship doing cargo transport, time travel was very easy for them. We traveled time pretty much every day. The ship would leave at 8 in the morning.

We'd go out and work 8 to 10 hours in space and we would get back at 805. they you know and when they traveled at great distances they were also traveling time when they and the ship went from inside the star system a to b pretty quickly but when it went to another star system it made a portal it generated its own portal and jumped to another star system so that is the that is the method of travel they had so and then there are natural portals in space that they used to go to other galaxies and then jump within those galaxies to around to where they were going so we've been lied to of many ways by Hollywood. Number one, that if you can travel faster and light, that it still takes you a long time to get to the other end of the galaxy. That's not the case. Also, that if we go to another galaxy, it takes you a long time to get to that galaxy.

That is also not the case. My experience that I remember was that we could leave in the morning, go several stops in our galaxy, go to another galaxy, make a stop or two, and come back for, for, dinner in one day and it was routine that was the routine we went out every day there were hundreds of ships that did it and um it's a big place that the universe was not the universe isn't just uh populated by a few civilizations that are more advanced than ours nearby you know everybody's kind of hung up on on one the on unaki or whatever that's not the case the fact is

that there are billions and billions of technically advanced intelligent species and we haven't even scratched the surface of them. Not because we haven't been able to, but because of the vastness of it. You know, like, I don't know. It's like books in a library kind of thing. You'll never read them all. And that's kind of what the experience was out there in space. It's not as, number one, it's not as far away as you think.

And number two, it's not as organized as you think. You can go and, you can still go and discover ET races that no one else has had contact with. and they come here. They come here from all over, even though there are treaties to prevent it. That's why the ET field is so confusing. That's why when somebody has an ET experience and they describe it, it doesn't match up with other ET experiences. It's fragmented.

It's very confusing because it's not the same ETEs. It's not just one group or two groups. It's not just 100 groups of ETEs that are fiddling with us. here. They've come from anywhere. It could be anybody from anywhere. And once they have a certain level of technology, there's really hard to catch them or stop them from doing it, you know. And there are many advanced races above us, way above us of intelligence, way above us. And that's the other thing we've been lied to about that we're the top of the food chain and we're not. Yeah. Now, when you're describing all this stuff, and we're talking about, you know,

ETs from other galaxies or whatever, I'm assuming then that here on Earth, this is a global thing amongst governments, not just the United States, right? Is that how you kind of view things too? Or it's just like, this is a global thing. Maybe it's an underground thing where, like, you know, governments, you know, maybe not,

I don't know how to even describe it, but like some kind of like underground society in between governments that kind of, you know, run this side show? My understanding was that it was the nearby, the reptiles as an empire

and they have jurisdiction basically over our solar system and the Germans after World War II made a treaty with them and they were able to colonize the place on the moon and then other places in the solar system the Germans moved out to. So

they may have lost the war of the property, you know, Europe, but they acquired the solar system. And so they were working directly under the reptiles, the Draco Empire, that was here for a very long time already.

And they're advanced in their own right, but you know, when you look at it like countries, you know, it's like they aligned with one country and they were given the ability to leave. Forget where I was going with that, but they

were, the Germans made it out. And the Germans came back and infiltrated and took over basically the monetary system, which was already ran by the Dracos, I believe. It's probably what the satanic stuff is. I think it's a reptilian religion. Because the reptiles, yeah, because the reptiles eat people. And I think that a lot of people, and I think that's how a lot of the infiltration, remember, we're talking about technology to take somebody out of their body and put them in a new body.

Sure. So if you could take a reptile and put him in a human body, he would still be hungry for people. And that's where you're getting the petal-vore stuff and all that's what I'm saying. Like, I think that's really what's going on is all the organizations, if you look around you, the Moose Club, the Masonic Club, club, on and on, the biker gangs, everything. Power is centralized. The government, all the governments, the Army, the Navy, it all reports to one office. you really only have to take over a handful of people to run the whole thing. It doesn't matter what club it is, you know, the army, for instance.

So really all they have to do is take the few, the brass, remove them from their bodies and put a reptile in their body, a consciousness in their body, and then they can go down and do whatever they want until they're finished with their job, and then they can put everything back how they found it and move on. So I think that's what's behind the whole satanic religion, the whole sacrificial thing. think there are other there's a lot of other factors you know spiritual factors but i think that's i think it's a technology more than a religion and i think it's a i think it's a mechanism that the

reptiles use to control um dealings on the earth between us i think that's how they've maintained control for thousands of years that way but they they take our leaders and either convert them or switch them out to a new consciousness that agrees with them that will do what they say and you know, the test is to sacrifice humans. You know, that's their benchmark. So I think that's what's gone on. And that is a not just a global thing. You said global, you know, is this a global?

It's not. It's a solar system thing. Okay. You know, like there are many different species living in our solar system right now. And some of them have control over parts of the earth. I think that I've found that I've been contacted by a lot of people after I've my stories came out. I found that people from certain regions tend to have different forms of contact. A lot of people from Australia, there are plenty of people that have, like, I think a lot of the military stuff happens in the United States and Canada.

I think there's a lot in Europe, a lot of military people that are being taken, abducted. I think there's a lot of other species that are abducting people from down in Australia and places in Europe. I think there are just different systems at work. It's not just one. I think everybody wants to lump it all into a good or bad ET or one, this ET or that. I think the scope of it is much bigger.

I think there are, you know, you're talking about thousands of different programs. And we are just a garden or a, we're a store that they can pop in and grab people. You know, they can grab genetics from or people or consciences, whatever, that they need because at a certain level it just makes sense.

People are just far more energy efficient than by building a robot to go dig your tunnel or to do whatever, to do this or that. To go build your thing or to keep your machine running, it's just cheaper to feed a human than it is to build a machine to do it, energy-wise. Yeah. Well, you mentioned several times

about the whole satanic aspect of things and you mentioned that you, I think it was in a sense, Seattle, you stayed with a guy who was your owner who was Satanic. So, I mean, one thing I would say is, I guess, according to your thoughts and opinions on the matter, he was probably some type of reptilian. But also, what kind of things, like, happened there? I mean, I'm assuming you saw some crazy stuff having to stay with this guy. Yeah. Well, the first thing I, the first thing I witnessed was a sacrifice of a kid, you know, of a young kid. And he made us eat some of them. And it was a,

it was like a communion. It was like a church communion. And he said, pulled, pulled us in there. And we had an IV in, you know, and he said, you can have some of this. He said, he said, you can eat. I said, you know, what are you need me to do? And he said, you drink this, which was blood from the kid. And you have to have a bite of it. And he cooked, He had a little burner there. He cooked him. And I didn't want to, of course. And he said, you can, he's like, I'll give you a choice.

I'll be fair with you and give you a choice. You can either participate in what we have done already, or you can be right up there next to him. I'll put you right up there and kill you too. It'll be fine with me. So you can have the choice. And I still, again, I was like terrified. I mean, I was faced with death.

I was a kid. And I wanted to just have the ability to just reach up and punch him in his face. you know, I just, I was a kid. I was a kid that just went through a mind-breaking, you know, industrial-grade mind-control. And it was hard. It was a hard moment for me. The girl that was there, there were two other kids. There was a boy and a girl.

And the girl that was there said, just do it. It doesn't mean anything anyway. She said, I did it. Nothing happened. Just do it. She interrupted the silence, you know, because I was teetering on the, the thought of telling them, you know, screw you, kill me then. You know, I was teetering on that. And so I did. And then he did some, you know, it went back to his ritual. He did some mumbo-jumbo,

and they said something. And that was it. Then they put us under. He gave us that drug. All three of us kids, they put us on tables. And then they drugged us and put us under. And I lost consciousness. I woke up the next morning feeling kind of sick all three of us and we were able to play. I think we had chutes and ladders was the game. We had a living room the next morning and he acted like he was on top of the world. He was in the best mood ever the next day, that guy. Did you ever, were you ever told what the meaning or purposes were behind those kind of things? Not at all.

You know, looking back on it, you know, after we, experience things and you know there's many things I still from the whole experience that I put I'm still putting together and looking back on it it's shocking how much they didn't tell me a lot of times I had surgeries or whatever I was going to do it was there was very little instruction that they gave me as a as a servant or a slave you know as a resource I was basically treated like a piece of equipment the whole time. I was fed and taken care of, but I was never really educated as to what I was doing. Yeah, and I can imagine if they're looking at you like a piece of property, they don't own an explanation to you. You know what I mean?

You just do what you're told or they get rid of you. I've had other shows where we've talked about. about the satanic side of things. I had a guy who was deeply involved in Satanism, and he described very similar things as you, you know, aborting fetuses and then eating the fetuses and things like that. I mean, it's crazy.

And that's one thing is I don't get a clear picture on. That's why I asked you is, what's the point and purpose? I just don't get it. And I probably never will because I'm not a psychopath. path. I haven't been able to speak about this. Most interviews go pretty quick, but I don't know, maybe a week later, a few days later. You know, like I said, the time frame was sketchy, but it was a short time after the sacrifice later. Same kids, myself, the girl and the boy. This time they had people come over and we were taken upstairs. He had a fireplace upstairs in the house. And I have never told anybody about this, but

I mean, I've mentioned to some people, but I'm not interviewed about this ever. They, I don't know, six, six or seven of them, nine of them, maybe, nine people. They had all, they wore all white robes. And they had the old school, like the, you know, the incense burner on the chain, like the Catholic Church has, full of incense. They had that, and they had a fire. And they took us up, and they put, like, a wax on our face. And they had mirrors there. They covered like our face with a wax and they put us in the fire

They put our face right up to the fire where I remember inhaling my nose hair is burning and Inhaling Flames And they pulled you back and they gave us like a flower. It was a drug It was a flower And or some you know It was like a flower. They made us eat it and I you know, it was a drudic. It was a hallucinogen. So I was paranoid You know, it made you it made me really

paranoid feeling. Then they showed my melted the wax that melted in the mirror and said, look, you know, and it was, he said, he asked me my name, which they had given me a name at that point. And I don't remember it, but he asked me my name. He said, I have a new name for you. Do you want it? And I just shook my head, no, you know, I didn't. And he held me the fire. He said, look, this is you. You're, you're dying. He's like, every time you can't withstand, you're not strong enough to withstand the fire. Do you want your new name? And I said, no, he put me in again.

And the wax was like melted. It was like really gross, you know? And I started to really like just like trip out, like freak out. And finally I said, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he gave me a name. I forget what it was. It was the only who used it at that time. And he put a mask on.

Like it was a porcelain mask. And it stuck to the melted wax. And then he held me in the fire and he showed me in the mirror again. He said, see, now you're strong enough. And that was a ritual they did. But then while we were still, then they cleaned us up. They took all that. They took it off and they cleaned us up.

And they put us together and they all stood around us. And they did the incense, a couple of incense. And I swear to God that in the cloud above us, they started chanting. They did some kind of ritual. They started chanting. I swear, in the cloud above us, we could see somebody coming down like a being. And like we call him the glass man. He looked like he was made out of glass.

Like he was made out of green glass. He looked like a man. And he came down and this is like a hallucination, you know, like a group hallucination. Because the other kids saw him too. And the boy, like said he was ready. He got mad. He said, just hold my hands. And he got mad at him and looked up at him.

And the man that I could see in the cloud of incense above us got scared of the boy. and left. And they were disappointed that he didn't talk through us. He was, they were, they were like, is he going to say anything? Like,

it was a dud. Like, their ritual failed at that point. And they asked us, did you see, and he kept asked it, did you see somebody? We were like,

yeah, we saw somebody. And he was like, he didn't say anything to you. And I was like, no. And he's like, well,

he must, he'll get it next time kind of thing. Like, they were, he wanted that being to come into one of us and speak. And they were, he was trying to get information. So it was a, they were literally summoning something.

They were trying to get one of you guys possessed for their own purposes. Yeah, yeah. And whatever drug they gave us, I could, you know, I was hallucinating. We could see a person. We could see a being. And it was in the cloud. Like they made a big cloud of incense above us that it came, that he was there. So was it a hallucination, though?

I mean, if three people see all the same thing, I mean, is that a hallucination? Yeah, well, we were kids. it's not admissible in court. But I'm joking. What I'm saying is, it's not a religion. It's a technology. You know, it's not a religion. They're not using it to worship.

They're not using it. The big excuse for Satanism is it to make yourself a better person, make yourself better. That's bold too. They're not doing that. The people at the higher echelon, these people that were practicing the real deal, it was a technology for them to get ahead. It's a loophole in the way that, the world that the universe works that there are being when you die you actually do go somewhere

and you have access to future and past information and if you can contact somebody that's dead you can access future and past information it's just another version of time travel just a poor man's time traveler is what that is and they're either using a technology to access information from the future so that they can manipulate it for their own gains it's a technology period and what they did was everybody had the technology back in the day when the whole world practiced ritual human sacrifice then jesus came along and what did he do eat of my body drink of my blood to have bread and wine instead of killing people and it stamped it out and it erased the technology and they kept it for themselves and they're running running things with it it's a tech it's a technology

the religion is a technology and they invented a religion on top of it to hide it because everybody had the tech back in the day. Everybody back in the 2000 years ago, the Hawaiians did ritual sacrifice. The American Indians did ritual sacrifice or mass graves they found in Missouri. The Irish did it. All through the Levant, through the Middle East. The Egyptians did it. The Chinese did it.

Everybody worldwide practiced ritual human sacrifice at one point. Ritual. Not just eating people because they were hungry, but ritualized in the same way that I witnessed in 82 in Seattle. Etel. And these were people that were, like I said, he was a billionaire, a self-made billionaire that was in a great deal of power. And you got to, you got to think if you can access that kind, if you have access to that technology and you can have a being come and tell you what,

when to turn left instead of turning right, you can get, you'd be a billionaire pretty quick, too. The whole thing just seems disgusting and evil. If what you're saying is, is correct, I mean, the, the route to get to that technology is just so sinister and, evil. Yeah. Right. Well, it's amoral at best. Um, you know, a lot of, like to a, to a reptile, I mean, look at what we do to animals that are not our same species. Look at how it's, it, people aren't very evil to treat another species very badly. Right now, us, me and you. People, people in my neighborhood within a few miles of me can do some pretty terrible things to animals. because they're a different species

because they see them as a lower species. Really, we're all made of the same exact stuff. But these are another species of people that are here to run things from another planet. They say it's shape-shifting, but I think that they're using consciousness. I think that the consciousness transference is a viable technology,

that they can take your consciousness out of you and put it into somebody else and switch vice versa. the freaky Friday where the mom and daughter switch places. I think that that's technologically achievable. And I think that's how they do it. Whenever they need to infiltrate somewhere, they could take the president of the United States or Congress.

They could take them all at once, you know, in one night sneak in, switch their consciousness out. They could all go vote something stupid the next day, and they put everybody back the day after that. You could run a whole world like that pretty easy. And if it's a run-of-the-mill technology, they've got it down to an absolute science. it's easy to see

how far that could go from how far down the rabbit hole that could really go and people we're being kept oblivious to it any kind of technology any kind of science that goes near it is made the lead laughable or just tucked under the rug you know if you have that kind of power

where you're printing money you can you could hide any kind of technology you wanted from public you could you can erase any kind of discovery very easily once you have control of the military and the CIA and all the money which they do. Yeah, absolutely. So you had these experiences with Peru, Seattle. At what point did you actually go off earth? And was when you remembered that, was it hard for you to even believe

the memories that you had? Still is. It still is hard. Sure. You know, I go nowadays, I'm into my normal life. I, you know, I'm a dad. And I have a life. I have a life. I have a I work a job and, you know, I'm a normal person. I'm not, you know, I don't do this professionally. So there are times I go in my normal life for weeks at a time without thinking about any of it. And then when I do it, it comes up, you know, I go look on my calendar. I have an interview and I go, wow, that happened, you know. And I still have to go back and remind myself about it all.

It's still as hard to, you know, because I forget about it and get back to my life. And then when I go back, when I start thinking about it again, it's just as, It's just as shocking each time to remember to recall it all. So what happened was when I went back, I lived basically for another two years in Seattle, so probably from 13 until right around 16 years old. And there was his wife that was there. He was never there. And we were boys for sex parties.

We were raped. and they were doing fundraisers and parties just, it was a whole underground, man. Like it was well organized. And it wasn't like every night or something like that. It was only during the summer and they would have a party.

They had a calendar. So there was only a few times a year that it really had. The rest of the time it was like living in an orphanage and they're downstairs. Anyhow, what happened was we had to do Pallistinics every morning and we were on a very strict diet like they kept us skinny and We took a little cup of pills every morning like I don't know if they were vitamins or steroids

I don't honestly I don't know what it was and we took it every day and then we did about a half hour workout routine in the morning Then we had a swimming pool we could just hang out of the pool and then we had a little board games and a television with a VHS And we had our whole day. That's it. That was my whole life and They would throw big parties and and we would be chained up and taken out, and we were a booth at a party. And they had girls, too, that apparently lived in another house nearby,

but they had girls that would be on the other end of the party. And that would happen. So at some point, they changed the pills. There was a different drug they went in there, and I became allergic to it. The first day I got sick to my stomach, you know, just nauseous. The second day, I felt really, really bad. I couldn't do the workout. And I said, whoa, this is making me sick.

And the third day, as soon as I took the pills, I vomited. You know, I threw them right back up. And I said, can't we just change back to the old ones? And she called and inquired about it. And they said, nope, if you don't, then you got to go to the military. Which was always the threat. Like, when we live there, you know, if you don't behave, you're going to be sold to the military. Well, you'll probably be in combat and get hurt or die. So you don't want to go to the military. So if you, you know, you've got it really cushy here. you should behave. Don't try to escape or do any night. This was in Seattle on one of the islands near Seattle. So she drove me, we took the ferry, and she drove me to the back of a store somewhere,

and two guys in a van were there, and they grabbed me, put me in the back of the van, and just gave me a shot, some shot in my arm, and I passed out. And I woke up on the moon somewhere. I had a room that they would just like a blanket on a floor in the room and they would hose me down and it was another bout of the, they would give me eyedrops that were as a drug and they were grays. They would come and get, it was a gray that would come and get me and walk me to where I was going and they'd plug me into a machine and I watched movies again. It was the same kind of, it was the same kind of training like it was movies and with drugs. and then, you know, they held my head in place. And it was fight or flight response. It wasn't really like military training.

Like, I never had a gun. Like, this is how you strip your gun and how you fix your gun. And none of that. It was fight or flight. Like, don't run. Never run from your fight. Just fight to the death. It was like suicide bomber training worth of, you know, subliminal programming.

Programming. And that was like, it was like weeks of it. and I was being trained to be a support soldier to be a to be bait for a real soldier you know like I was a support soldier that a soldier on the field could tell to go do something and go and attack that and draw them out the bad guys and then we'll shoot them that was kind of like wow that was kind of the job that I was being trained for um they loaded this up there was there was about a dozen of us at that point I want to say a dozen there could have been more guys like me we were all about the same age or you know late teens and then they loaded us up on a small

transport and we went to another base on the backside of the moon and we walked through a bunch of hallways and took an elevator down and then we walked up to a door and they were military they were guys in uniform military and they handed us

each little canister and he said don't press the button. He said, if you press the button on the canister, it will immediately explode and you'll be killed, and whatever's near you'll be killed. And it won't be armed until you walk through that door. So he's like, it's not armed. But once you walk through that door, once you press that button, that's what'll happen. And we stood there and waited, I mean, like a long time, like a half hour, we just stood there. The door opened. We went in. It was a big,

like a basketball court size of a room, like a basketball court arena. And there were people that was a crowd, but you couldn't see them. They were up on a, like, a balcony that was with lights shining down so when you looked up you couldn't see up there. And on the other end of the arena, a giant door opened and a gigantic 400-pound spider came in. It was a bug. And it came in, and it was scared telling, you know, and it moved. It made a little bit of noise. And when it moved, it was really silent.

There was a few inches of sand on the floor. The floor had sand. and we all got scared and huddled together. We were just scared shitless. And it came up to us. And as it got close to her, I remember thinking we were pushing each other to the front. You know, everybody was trying to get to the back

and I had got cycled up to the front. And I remember thinking about it. And I remember when I looked at it, I thought there's no way I'm going to get close enough to it to kill it. Its legs are too long. It's going to be able to get me before I got and I would just blow up for no reason. And so I thought maybe I could throw it at it or something.

And I was trying to figure out some way to get some way to not get eaten. And while I was doing that, some other kid from the left of me, he like slowly moved along the wall, I guess, and ran at at full speed. And he had the grenade, the canister that they give us like he was carrying a football. And he ran right up onto its head and blew it himself in half. and blew its head up, you know, blew its head into pieces and killed it. The crowd cheered.

There was cheers. And then the door, both doors opened up behind us. And a bunch of lab coats came in. They said that that kid lived. Wow. Through that. And he was blown in half. His legs went one way and his torso went the other.

But they came in and gathered him up. They went straight to him. Then they took us out. And we went to a nearby room was like a hospital. you know like a high-tech hospital room and we we had examination they examined us all and we all had it was like one room with all the beds and we slept in those beds that night and they were happy they said we were at success and that that was our program was going to be awesome they were thrilled they said everything went exactly how it was supposed to wow now what you're what you're

describing here and like you said you go into this area of the size of a a basketball court and it's like almost like an arena. What I'm picturing is freaking like a gladiator scene. Is that what it was kind of like? Yeah, that's exactly what it was. So it was an operational, it was an operational combat test. Were the people there observing for educational purposes or were they there to be entertained? I don't know.

You know what I mean? Like I, I, I, I, you could hear them yelling, you know, they were yelling. They, they were heckling us. You're all going to die, you know, like, they were. They were yelled down to us. And they sounded like soldier-aged men. You know, they were men that were of soldier-age. What they sounded like.

I mean, whether they were, I don't know. I couldn't see. But it was a test of that technology. They were mind-controlling kids that were easy to get that were not picked for the program. You know, I was snuffed through the program. I was a low-grade. I was a slave. I wasn't some fighter pilot, you know.

and so they were testing their mind control and see what kind of boots on the ground they could put. They wanted numbers on the ground. So that's what that was. Yeah. Because I imagine even in everyday scientific idea of things, like say you have lab rats and you're doing these tests and stuff to see how they react to certain things.

I mean, I'm sure there's some people out there, you know, university students that find it entertaining and they even make bets on what they're, what's going to happen to the rat, you know what I mean? So I imagine it's almost like a similar situation where it's just like they're looking in you as like a test subject, not as an asset. Well, the other thing is, you know, it sounds like super barbaric, but really you got to think about if they have the ability to grow back the rest of your body, then really nobody's

going to die doing it. So do you get what I mean? Like it's morally, it's more acceptable when you think about the first. fact that it was unlikely that we were going to die. You know, that morally you could do something like, even though, I mean, it's hard to get your head around being that kind of,

uh, that detached, but they have that kind of technology. You know, I've heard, um, other whistleblowers have said that, you know,

you can get your head blown off and they can grow the rest of your body back for that head. And, you know, the, uh, soldiers in the space program die many times. And as long as they,

the rule is, the, that I've heard from others is that as long as there's electric activity in a brain cell, they can bring you back. As long as you have electric activity in any brain cells, you know, just a few brain cells that still have electrical activity,

they can bring you back to life. They can grow the rest of the body and they can suck you back. Basically, your spark of life, your soul. And so once you think about that kind of technology, then, yeah, that kind of opens the door to being those kind of abuses i guess i can't imagine what it was like being there seeing some i don't know if you knew the kid or not but like seeing that happen i mean it's got to be a shock to your

system or is it something where at this point in time you've seen so much that it you're not getting shocked by a whole lot of stuff no no i was totally in shock from that and you know even worse than that is i took a couple steps closer to the bug and i had no idea that those examples of existed prior to that. Like I said, that wasn't something that I was briefed for. Like, these are the bugs you'll be going against. There's a giant bug and, you know, just go and attack it like this. I had no idea that those even existed.

That was my first sight of a creature like that. And it was trying to kill me. Like, that, I was in complete shock at that time. That whole, it was hours before I calmed down from that, before my heart rate. You know, it was hours later before I, got my head on straight at all. And I still couldn't sleep well that night. It was, it was not, it was not cool. But I remember looking at the bug. I stared at it, you know, and it was, its head was blown. It had a big, you know, it was blown up. And it had many eyes on the front of it.

I remember seeing all the different eyes and just thinking, that thing, you know, how huge it was. It just that, you don't stand a chance with your bare hands, you know, near that. If you've ever been to the zoo and seen a lion up close how huge they are. You don't stand a chance. It was that same kind of feeling of awe. This was an apex predator that I had no

business being in the same room with because I was just going to be fodder to it. And that was a very traumatic experience. That's why I remembered it so much. That's one of the memories that came back first because I was just traumatized from that. You know, I had PTSD probably from that for a long time. You know, that was a very,

it was a very hard thing to, to go through. Yeah, I can imagine. Is PTSD something that you go through now from having these memories? You know, I had a lot of, you know, I don't know. I don't, you know, I don't, you know, I don't really study it. I remember reading about PTSD years ago and thinking, wow, I have all this. Why do I have this? You know, I remember reading the, the symptoms of it. before I knew why and thinking to myself like wow I have this you know why do you know I've never done anything in my regular life I've been pretty normal I worked in construction I've worked and I've just been a normal guy and like nothing really crazy and so remembering and then I also had a lot of emotional stuff you know there is a healing process from it all really remembering it once I was

once I could remember it then I could attribute time that I was had had emotionally like it's hard to give an example but there were times when I would be scared for no reason or something and I could look once I got my memories back I could look and go oh I'm just thinking that that's why and then boom it could go away the problem went away so not knowing what caused it is what exacerbated the emotional stuff to go on longer once I got my memories back and then I could assign why I feel like I did or why I felt bad I could solve it, you know. So as of now, no, I mean, I feel better than ever, to be honest, better in my whole life because I've been able to, number one, remember everything and number two, be able to talk to other people about it, you know, talk it out. At first, I couldn't even talk about it. I was just like everything wanted to come out at once.

Yeah, I can understand that. It's, I think people react differently to, you know, traumatic experiences. and some people hold on to things for a long time and some people are able to get through it by speaking about it. My audience knows that's one of my biggest motivations for having this show is to allow people to just be open and honest about what they've experienced and get it off their chest because sometimes that's all they needed in order to move on in life. Or sometimes they actually dive deeper into things because they're like, okay, I've been able to work through it and now I want to know more, you know? And so people react to things differently. Now, I know that that happened on the moon, which it's just, for me, it's even weird to say that. You know, it's just like, wow, you know.

But that's not where your journey ends. I know you have a lot of things that happened. But I think you said at one point, not during this interview, but when we were talking or something where, I remember you sharing a story where you were, I don't know if you were part of some kind of military operation, but you actually got into some kind of combat and experienced one of these beings up close and actually harming you. Was that on Mars? That was on Mars, yes. So what happened with that?

So the next day after, so we slept in our, we slept in hospital beds that day. And the next day, we were put on a big transport, a big triangular craft. And there wasn't a lot of it wasn't packed. There was a lot of empty seats. And we, and it was just like being on an airplane, but the rows instead of seven or ten rows wide, it was 20 or 30 seats wide. It was super wide from one end of the other. I said we were going to Mars, that we went to Mars and we got there pretty quick.

And then we had to wait in orbit for something like two hours. get clearance to land. There was something going on. We were supposed to just go down and land, but there was some kind of incident going on. So we couldn't, we weren't clear to land. So we waited for like two hours in orbit around Mars. And they turned off the artificial gravity and let us play in zero G. But I was too scared to do it. I didn't, I didn't want to. So I just stayed with my seat belted. And I remember seeing other boys across on the other side of the thing, out and around. And I always regretted that. So that was another thing that I remembered because of the emotion, because I regretted that, you know, I wish I would have done that. I'd really never,

I really never was in zero G again after that. It's not like you didn't have enough once in a lifetime experiences. You had to experience zero gravity too, right? Yeah. Well, yeah, well, I thought I'd get another chance, but I really didn't. I had lower gravity. I, I later on, years later, I could experience lower gravity lesser gravity but not zero anyhow so we landed and as soon as we got off the thing it was a big hanger like a big hanger and we went right over to a smaller craft all of us and then they flew us out to a base that was like abandoned and it was an underground it was an underground that the the craft we were on went inside and landed inside of it and when we went it we were totally underground we never like landed and then walked it

into it. And then we took an elevator and there were levels of it. And it was a U.S. military operate. They were Marines. They were Marine Corps Special Division guys. They were U.S. soldiers straight up. You know, there were officers and there were 20 soldiers. I'm taking, you know, it's been a while since I thought about it at all, but 50 soldiers.

I think all at all, there were 50 people and there was enough room in there for 100 or 200 people. So it was an abandoned place. And I guess it was a forward base. And it had a, the top level had a hospital closest to the ground. And then it had another like command apartments and stuff. And then it had another level. And the bottom level had where we lived and the cafeteria. And it was like a mall or like a school.

It was like an elementary school or like a junior high kind of construction. And it went off into different areas that were color coded. Like, you know, there was a blue wing and a red, wing and a yellow you know and you went you followed the line the blue line to go to where and they had converted a office space there were office cubicles with the lights out kind of you know in a hallway and they put cots instead of where the desks were they put cots there and that's where we slept they it wasn't we didn't get a room or anything and then across the hall from that was a bathroom that we all used with showers and um what we were doing was we were

being split up into groups of six of us, and we went every other day out on hikes on the surface, and we had environmental suits, but the face was open, and it had, you know, it gave you oxygen, the suit registered if you, your oxygen level, and if you needed more, it would give you some, but you could breathe the air there. It was chilly, it was cold, and the weather could change quick. It was really windy. It would get really windy, but some days were nice. and I went on three separate hiking missions outside of the base with soldiers and with all the other guys like me

and we were in bright white like a latex like a rope it was the most comfortable to this day it was the most comfortable pair of shoes and clothes that I had ever tried on nothing has ever been more comfortable than what I wore that those on it was extremely it was unreal

it was freakishly comfortable to wear but it was it was was like a latex environmental suit at a small backpack i had a it was a rail gun they had rail guns they were um they fired a projectile it wasn't a like a laser beam or something it was a high speed projectile and uh it had some kind of fantastic power electrical uh battery that that did it um but i had a small rail gun and it was attached to my arm and it had a little the the stock of it i could let go and it would fold up and i could grab it and that would that would arm it So if I folded it down, I could grab the trigger.

That would make it armed. But if I let go, it would fold back up out of the way of my hand, and it was safety. And that was the weapon. It turns out I only fired it once. But the first time we went out, we went hiking, there were soldiers, and they had a fantastic armor. And what it was was, their armor was heavy. So it made them weigh negative buoyant or whatever. I don't know if I'm saying the right term, but basically they weighed,

With all their armor and their stuff, they weighed the same there than they would on Earth here. So they could run. They could run and jump and do things there exactly like they were on Earth. So the gravity didn't hinder them. We were in much lighter suits. We were just in an environmental suit. And I was told that, well, we were told that if we did well and our program was expanded, we would get better suits later. but we I mean we were in bright we were in white so we were bait you know the other guys had

camo but um we had a hard time running it was less gravity on the surface and so when you got running it would turn into a hopping you know big big hops after you start if you tried to go fast it was still kind of awkward it wasn't easy to do you'd fall down you know but the soldiers because they because they had armor because they had equipment that weighed them down they walked around effortlessly if they made it look easy but they would always take off we would follow them for the first few hundred yards out and then they would say you guys go that way and we'll go this way and the very first mission we didn't even have a map we didn't they said they had one of us had a radio that they could talk to and that was it we had no nothing else no compass

no nothing and uh they were testing it was they were testing they were testing a system out by the Later on, we had little digital maps that showed us on there. You know, we had a map on our own, on the third mission. The first time we went out and we didn't see it, nothing, it was like, in the morning, or right around noon, you know, the sun was high, or at least it was warmer, you know. And we walked for a couple hours, you know, an hour out and an hour back and nothing happened. That was it. And then I remember the next guy, a bunch of guys went, the next.

next day and we didn't go anywhere and then the following day we went again and it was later on in the day and they it was like three in the afternoon you know worth of afternoon and uh we went out and the soldiers split from us and when we came back they they were everybody was happy they were high-fiving so there something happened there was some kind of combat happened and we didn't witness it i didn't hear anything or see anything but apparently there was an engagement and they were thrilled about the soldiers were were thrilled about it about how it worked out the last one we were briefed right at the door we would have briefings because you know it's funny they have artificial gravity they have gravity plating so inside the base you're at one g we were at gravity once you

walked out the front door then you got in the lighter gravity and you could it got awkward you know so right at that very i remember right at that door we would give briefings on what we were going to do and um We sent out and we were supposed to walk along a trail and then they would follow us along the ridge and we were going to do a circle and the same thing. And bad weather happened. You know, like bad weather blew in. It was really quick too how it did and it got dark and we got separated and we started to get an argument. One of us wanted to stay in visual range of the soldiers. One of the soldiers said, stay where we can see.

you. And he thought that meant stay within visual range. And we got away, they were up on a hill. They were up on a mountain top. And, you know, here. And we were out down in a valley. And we started getting away from them. And so he said, I'm going to go where they can see us. And I said, you know, and myself and others said, no, this is, we got to follow the map. This is our trail. We have, they gave us a map. We're supposed to stay on the trail. You're going to get trouble. So we ended up splitting up. Three of them went one way and three of us went the other way. kept going the way we were planned. And we could hear, you could hear them coming up behind you.

And the weather, like I said, the weather got bad. We couldn't see very much, well, but we could hear the bugs behind us, you know, in the distance. You could hear, I mean, they were moving fast. They were, like, trampled. It was loud. But we couldn't see them. It was a dunes part, you know. So we started running.

and which turned into hopping from dune to dune. And we saw a spot where there was some sunlight coming, and we wanted to get there so we'd be visible, hopefully, for someone else to see us. And I remember I was in front, and I fell. I was in front of the other guys running, or hopping, and I fell down, and they passed me up. And I got up and started running again,

and I saw, they were little, it's hard to explain. You know, this isn't a conversation you have every day, but there were a few of the bigger spider ones, like on the moon, and there were little beetle ones. And as they ran, they had wings that they didn't fly, but they had wings that pushed them so they could run faster. And they came up, I mean, super fast. They came extremely fast around me, and I remember I was in the air jumping from Dune to Dune. I was in the air, and I got shot at one and missed. And while my arm was out, one of the spider ones came up behind me and bit my arm off. I mean, right there.

I mean, just bit it off the gun. Everything was gone. And I fell down, and then it stood on top of me. It stood on me and held me. And I looked over the dune, and more of them kind of went over the dune, and I could hear those guys getting killed. They got crunched up. They got, you know, they were being bitten. Now, you could hear it.

And I was in shock. You know, I was losing blood. We had, we had, we had the, apparently the soldiers had turniquets inside their armor. So if they lost an arm, the armor would tourniquet. But because our suits were an inviol suit, they showed us, you know, we had one auto tourniquet each, and it was like, it was like a pack of cigarettes, and it had a cord, and you could hit the button and pull it out, put it on you, and let go, and it would auto tourniquet.

It was an auto tourniquet. And I remember wanting to get that on. I thought I was going to die. I was losing blood, but I was being held down. And then it picked me up, and I looked up and saw a manted, a bug that looked way different than the other ones. The other ones were kind of, like, hideous. And this one was different.

It looked better, for lack of a, you know, for lack of a better word, it looked better than the other ones. And it kind of came up. It had antennas, and it came up close to me, like almost face-to-face, maybe like three, four feet away. And the antennas went, whoa. And I was instantly like in a dream.

Like I lost consciousness like I was in a dream with it. And it started looking through places I had been. It went back and looked at the room where I was sleeping, that cubicle. It was like I was there with it and it looked. And then I went back to, you know, on the moon. And then it looked into my memory. It was going through my memories. And it looked at back to.

to the air base, the MK Ultra stuff. And it was talking to somebody else that I couldn't hear. Like it was reporting what it saw. Like, we're in a dream. We're in a dream. And I was begging it. I was like, please don't kill me. Please don't kill me.

I don't want to die. Please don't kill. I was begging for my life. And he looked and he said to me, I don't want to kill you. But if I'm ordered to, I'm going to have to. So just to be fair to you, he's like, I don't really want to kill you.

you know, it's what he said. And he said, but if I'm ordered to, I will. We're going to look, we're going to check you out and see if it's, see what we're dealing with here. He's like, just hang, hang tight. And, you know, and he went through my memories. And eventually it ended up, and we went to the house in Seattle. And then eventually it ended up, I was standing in my living room of my house I grew up in.

The house I was taken from, my original farmhouse, I was standing in that living room. It was empty. And I had no idea of what it was. I didn't remember it. and we were standing in the living room and he goes this is who you are this is who you are and then I woke up and I was sitting there you know like stuck back into shock from my arm being missing and it was right there and then it let me go the other bug dropped me and let me go and I stood up and sat there and I think I said it again please don't kill me please don't kill me you know

I was still freaking out. And one of the little beetle ones, like, communicated to it. I didn't hear what it said, but it communicated to it. And he looked at it and said, kind of motioned his head towards me. And it bit my foot off. It came and bit my foot right off at the ankle. And I fell down. And they just took off.

They just, they all moved at once. They all moved it. They all moved at once. When they moved, they were in complete unison. And then they ordered up and went. You know, that was. That was how they did it. And they just took off.

I mean, literally, they kicked up dirt. They left a cloud behind them. And I started crawling towards the bodies. I crawled up over the dune. I put the auto tourniquet that I had on my arm. I crawled over the dune. I saw on the other two guys. They were bitten to pieces.

I mean, they were bitten into pieces. And I got the one guy's, the other auto turnicet off, and I put that around my ankle. And at that point, I'd stopped bleeding, but I knew I was in bad shape. And I started crawling back the way I came. And I didn't go very far. And the two soldiers got caught up with me. The one soldier grabbed me and he gave me an injection. The suits gave injections.

But he injected me with something. I felt okay. It still hurt really bad. In fact, it made it hurt worse. You know, the injection he gave me made me feel the pain more. But I stood up and he started carrying me back. And the other one was looking for more auto tourniquets. I guess the other three guys got contacted too.

And he marched me all the way back. And towards the end, he was saying, you know, stay up. He was slapping me. And he was saying, stay awake, stay awake. You know, you can't go to sleep. And if you stay up, you're going to see a purple sunset. You know, the sun's about the set. You're going to see a purple sunset.

But the weather was shitty. And but I did kind of see like a line of purple along the sunset. There was a perp, the sunsets were purple. And as soon as I laid eyes on the door, the door was kind of hidden in the hill. The door to the base was hidden. And as soon as I saw it, he let me go to sleep and I passed right out. When I woke up the next morning in a hospital bed, I had my arm and my foot back. Wow.

So, I mean, totally like no scar, no nothing. There was a bandage there and my arm was back just how it was. So do you think they gave you new arms or do you think they something? how re-grew it? I mean, you probably don't even know. I was out for that. You know, they did. They explained it to me, but I didn't pay any attention. You know, like, it was, I could care less how it happened at the point you said, he used the blah, blah, blah, blah on you, you know, I don't remember. But it was back, I was there in that bed and I said, do I get to, I kind of wanted to stay there

and not do anything that day. I'm sure. But I had to go back to with the other guys, you know, I had to go. But they sent somebody there there was an officer that came and debriefed me and it was really quick he didn't really grill me that much he was what happened we saw we got they had pictures or they had they had surveillance

like they saw what happened from a distance you know they could see but um he said we saw what happened and just tell us what that bug told you and I said he told me to tell you that they're not that stupid that was the message he gave me to give them he told me to tell your suspirious we're not this

dumb and that canceled the program. They canceled it. We never went on any more combat missions. They canceled the entire thing. And we sat there for about another month to six weeks doing nothing. We had zero. It was a lame duck. We got up. We didn't have anything to do. No routine, no other. We got up. We went to the cafeteria for breakfast, lunch, dinner. And we went back to our cots and we just sat there. We had nothing to do. It was lame. So you were bait and they said, we're not that stupid. you know, we're not going to fall for us. So you're, you know, you have nothing to do.

At what point did you realize, though, that you were bait? Was this something that when you were in your training, they were telling you this? Or do you get out there and just like, hold on a second? No, no. I think there's something going on here. Exactly. They were training us. They were telling us that, you know, you're a badass.

They were training us to think that we were going to go and kick ass. Yeah. You know, we weren't supposed to. They were saying that the training was to lay down your life. for your brother and your brother was that next guy next to you we were we were trained to suicide bomb kind of you know to be a suicide guy and it it wasn't the best thing you know I don't know I think they could have done better overall but yeah I think they were trying to get numbers I think that they were trying to get

effective troops there to help their real soldiers that were expensive and hard to train they were trying to get as many people as they could as quickly and cheaply, and they were trying to see how cheap they could get us there, you know, with what least amount of training, least amount of equipment that they could put numbers out there. And I think the bugs just adapted way too quick, so they canceled it. I think they expected the bugs to adapt eventually, but not that quick, you know, not in a day or two. Yeah. I mean, it seems just like such a simple strategy.

I mean, train you up to, you know, act like you're the tough guy. go out there yeah be macho get some attention of these things go find them yeah yeah go do that yeah exactly we'll snipe them off uh but it's just that's incredible so i mean this memory that you have of losing your arm losing your foot is was that like how i even say this like is because sometimes people when they remember something they actually feel it is like i think it's like a mental thing where they they actually start feeling that pain that they once did. Is that anything that ever affected you where, like,

you almost feel like you feel that pain when you think back on it? The thing that I felt, the thing that I remember from it is, I remember it was very painful, but I don't remember the actual hurting of it. But I remember that it was very painful. But I remember stumbling around. Like, I remember when I was on the ground crawling that I wanted to use my arm to crawl. I remember the absence of the arm. I remember crawling around.

And what it was is I ended up having to, like that, you know, crawl with my arm. And I remember always wanting to use my other arm, but I couldn't. I remember that feeling. That feeling of it, the absence of it is huge. That was a huge thing. Those first minutes of adapting to not having it, that is something. That's what I remember the most. Yeah.

You know, that part of it, that feeling of reaching for my right arm to do something and it not being there. There was still, you know, like your brain is still thinks you have an arm at that point. Yeah. And something you don't forget. I'm sure. I've heard of that before where people who wake up in the hospital and they had to have their leg amputated, it's like mentally they can still feel the foot, even though it's

not there because I guess the nerves or something haven't registered yet that there's nothing there. It's pretty crazy and trippy to think about. The whole Mars and Moon, what was the missions here? I mean, were they building just bases for further exploration, or were there multiple reasons why they were on these planets? Or don't you know? Yeah, the base on the moon was, I don't want to say huge. but it was a, you know, the moon was the, was the jumping off point. It was very important, you know, like that's where they have all their resources. And you've got to think, if you have a base on the moon, you can pretty much draw up,

you're out of the jurisdiction of everywhere. You can make your own law. So if they get you there, you know, nobody else is going to get you there. You're in another set of laws. So you can agree or disagree to something, you know, and then they can do whatever they want. and on the back side of the moon does it the moon's in tidal lock so you can't see the back of it ever but uh mars they were trying mars they were living alongside obviously living alongside intelligent insectoids and they were trying to get uh territory they were trying to expand

territory and so however that was working you know uh they were trying to move in so yeah i mean that's basically general tactics that we have here on earth, you know, 2,000 years ago, you're fighting for land and, you know, you strategize and whoever has the best strategy gets to land. Yeah, I don't know if they tried to do the infected blankets of measles to the bugs, or if that worked, but I'm sure that that's pretty much the point in history that I was at when I was there, that they were fighting with the indigenous for territory. You know, that seems like it what it was to me. Again, they didn't It's not like I read the news every day.

They didn't really, it was need to know and I didn't need to know much, you know, the whole time. Yeah. Wow. That's incredible. That's absolutely incredible. What are your thoughts on Elon Musk talking about wanting to go to Mars? You know, he's this genius guy and he's got all these different great ideas. And it seems like they just let him do whatever he wants, shoot cars into space and things like that.

I mean, do you think if Elon Musk gets to the point? point where he's literally capable of doing something like that, that either they're going to have to fill him in or somehow stop him? I wouldn't, well, first of all, I think anybody that has their own rocket already knows. That makes sense. And I think they painted themselves into a hell of a corner. I think that they, I think the Germans got up there, and I think there was an ensuing contest to see who could get up there.

And I think the ETs up there don't want us to know. and so they're like they're going along with it like rather than tell the public about it they said look we'll go along with these etes will help us they'll let us come up there as long as we don't tell anybody about it and i think everybody has painted themselves into a corner i think that they i think that at some point the germans thought that they would just kill everybody once we got to the point where we're all going to find out i think they thought they'd just kill us all off i think that's what the whole georgia guidestone thing is that they had this dune's day plan and they'd kill us all off and then they could just tell us whatever lie and start it all over again, put us back into the Stone Ages, and then they could have the same exact system in place and go for another thousand years of living in the solar system in luxury and then using us to do whatever they needed down here. But I think that other ETs won't allow it. I think that's what happened. Honestly, I think that's something that's happened. I think other ETs that came along and said, I don't think so. You're not going to kill everybody off. You're going to

have to let these people know. And I think they painted themselves into a corner that there's just no easy way for them to come clean and tell us like, look, we've been in space. We've been living in space with ETs on their ETs and the earth right now, you know, on earth right now and in the earth that have been here for a long time. And for them to tell us that, that our entire system, our money is a lie, that everything's a lie, that the religion is a technology used by ETs, that they live on the moon. they've been doing experiments they've the duck people they've been people have been doing slavery on and

on and on i mean are they going to tell that to the average per soccer mom you're going to tell soccer mom that you know what i'm saying like yeah you're not you're not going they're not going to they're going to people are going to vomit when they hear that so they painted themselves in the corner and i think the things like elon musk i think that they're going to have to break it to us incrementally they're you know it would be great from people like me and you and people watching the show that already have kind of a basis of distrust for the system. People that have a basis of evidence to build upon that we know something's wrong. It's easy for us for them to, if they ripped the whole Band-Aid off and showed us all at

once, you know, it would be easy for us to get our head around it. You're not thinking about soccer mom, dude. You know, you're not thinking about Johnny Wall Street who just believes that the people that are thriving in the system are going to reject changes. or doubts of the system. They're going to reject, it's just going to not make sense to them, you know. And the mind control,

the fact that we've all been brainwashed, you know, I mean, we're going to wake up one time and find out that something very core that we believe is not true. Because we've been brainwashed into commercialism.

You know, we get subliminal stuff constantly. The, uh, the music, the television, everything we watch has a signal, has a brainwashing to it, component to it, that makes us believe one thing,

over another and we are not we're a consumer driven society and it's a lie, it's a bunch of bullshit and so once the veil is lifted people are going to be shocked from it and I don't think

and look I caught flack from saying this before like people said you know we could handle it and we could if they ripped the whole band-aid off tomorrow and everything if they told us everything on the news it'd be fine people would be fine you know there was not going to be riot i don't think there'll be giant riots in the street i don't think

there'll be super turmoil there'll be some financial stuff how many people are going to quit working you know you're going to go to work and still work for money that's you find out is worthless so there's going to be some of that but i think that doing that is one way i think that they're just trying to find the right way to tell us right now i think guys like elang must we've got the nasas going on they're cracking down on all the pedophiles you know That whole system, the satanic stuff is all the Hillary emails and the peddle gate. That's all hitting the fan. They've got to clean up all that.

They've got to clean up their own mechanisms of control over us that have been infiltrated for so long. And then they're going to go about telling us that, hey, there's been, you know, they're going to have to say they've been in space all along, that there's been a space program and that there are people up there. We have brothers and sisters. We have people. we have Americans that are descended from Americans. We have people that are descended from Europeans that have been up there for generations now.

That are our brothers, you know, they are our relatives. And they live up there. They live on Mars. Randy Kramer estimated 10.5 million people on Mars right now. Really? When I was on the Series Colony Corporation Planet, when I was on Planet Series,

I was aware of about 225,000 people living there. Wow. Among ETs, with E.T. races. So, I mean, those are people that are born there. They're going to die there. You know, they're citizens there. And they are descendants from our descendants. They're relatives of ours.

So at some point, at some point, they're going to have to come clean about it because killing us all has been, I think, has been ruled out. You know, just whacking us has been ruled out. So I think the GMO, I think the food poisoning is part of, was part of one of the early plans, you know, just poison everything, sterilize everybody so that everybody dies off in two generations and then they can make up whatever lie they want. But we're getting to the tipping point where somebody in their backyard can build a telescope and discover and see everything. Kind of like the Truman Show. You know, we're getting to the point where you're not going to

need a college laboratory to access some of this technology. We're going to get to the point where somebody with a computer and a telescope is going to say, look, there it is, right there, and prove it. So they have to come up with something. They're going to have to come clean somehow. Yeah. And, you know, I think when they do come out with any kind of disclosure, I think you will have a certain amount of people that take it and they run with it to suicide and things like that. I do think that that will happen because there's people that have these deep-rooted belief systems in their lives. And if you uproot that, it's like in their mind, why am I living?

What's the point? Exactly. Oh, well, there's going to be a lot of that. And there's going to be a lot of people that put a spin on it. You know, the biggest thing that I've found after my experience of living up there amongst ET. and traveling to other worlds as a cargo engineer on it. Basically, I worked on a UFO, you know. My experience, but drawing back off the memories,

what I learned from that is people want to assign that ETs are good or bad. I get to out, why don't the good ETs just come and help us? Why don't the good ETs step in and beat the bad guys up? And you know why? Because that's a schoolboys version of events. There's no, you know, the, there's no, there isn't a good E.T. They're not, there's, there's not a really a bad E.T. The bad ETs are, are self-serving. And so that makes them bad for us. It makes it evil for us. You know, and I say, I say that my thing like this is like, well,

is the United States, is, are all the people in the United States bad? Because to the Iraqi people they are and to the Vietnamese people we were, we were bad, we were evil to the North Vietnamese while we were kicking their butt all over the place. We were evil to them. It's a matter of perspective. We're not bad people. We're not good either. We're not the good guys.

We're not going to go and save anybody that doesn't have our interests in mind. We don't roll into places where there's terrible injustices in the world and police it because we got nothing better to do. We mind our own business until it's our business. And the ETs are the exact same way. It's the exact same way. There is no good guy that's going to come and help us out. There's no bad guy that's out boogeyman that's out really super out to get us. They want to control us as a resource.

But there's, you know, they could really, they're not, they're more worried about their own problems than being a boogeyman. You know, like we have to let go of the notion of good and bad. We have to get, we have to get our head around that someone can be a complete douchebag and still not be a bad person. someone can be an E.T. can be a completely disgusting thing and still not be unworthy of life. Do you know, like we have to grow. We're going to have to grow. And that's really what's stunted our growth is lack of that knowledge. Do you know what I mean? Like look at our politics right now. It's bad. We're told that, you know, if you're not perfect, you're evil. You're not perfect. You don't deserve anything. You know what I'm saying? Then screw you. You have to be

absolutely perfect. And none of us are really. I mean, we're all bad guys. I'm a great guy in many ways. In many ways, I'm a complete screw up. Right. Myself, myself, me. And so, so is everybody else, though. So, I mean, if I was, thank God I'm never run for office because I would get tore up. Once they dug into my, you know what I mean? It would be hell because I'm just normal. You know what I mean? But I'm not, I don't consider myself some savior, but I don't consider myself evil either. And I think that notion, we have to lose that notion when we start talking about entire

civil species of intelligent beings. We're talking about an entire species of an intelligent being. Then you can't say that, oh, those reptiles are evil. They eat people. Well, some of them are cool, tell them, man. You know, some of them are cool. Just guys that are going through their, they got a family to raise. and they got a nine to five they do.

They got a job just like we do, and they're cool guys, and they just minding their own business. They also have people in charge of them in their government that like to eat people and conquer worlds. You know, that doesn't make them all evil. We have to turn down the black and white of it all, of everything, even ourselves. And what you said does make sense when you use the example of, you know,

to Iraq, we're all bad, you know. that's a really good example. It really is. I mean, because there are, you know, in the Middle East, anywhere really in the world, other countries have their perspective as to what America is, who Americans are, and it's all based off of, you know, what they've been told and what they've been propagandized to think and things like that. And so it's skewed. We're not all bad people. There are good people here. But unfortunately, there are people in other parts of the world that think that we're all bad people and they just want to kill us. And that's just not fun. I mean, you don't have to go farther.

There are Canadians that can't stand Americans. Sure. They want to build a wall there too sometimes. Yeah, there are plenty of Canadians that can't stand the United States people. It's just a cultural thing. And, you know, that doesn't mean we don't get to exist, you know. A lot of people hate the president right now. There's a lot of fervor.

You know, and I look at it this way. I think that I say it like this, like, yeah, he's not perfect. And it's easy to hate somebody that's got such an ego. You know, you look at the things he highlighted, you know, they say racist and all that. The things they highlight that were kind of dumb for him to say, I think a lot of people have said. And don't have to answer for it because they're not president. I think that you can be a racist and a bigot and a total jerk and work at Subway and make a great sandwich. I think you can be a total douchebag across the window for me and make a great sandwich for me that I order to get the job done.

And I think that the president is no different. I think he can be a douchebag, but he can still do the job. At the end of the day, it's a job. He's not a savior. He doesn't have to be perfect. He's not perfect. He's not perfect. last one wasn't perfect and the one before that wasn't perfect either they were all douchebags in their

own right i'm a douchebag too you know what i mean in my own if you really sit and want to quote some stuff i've said in the past you can dig me up to be they make me look horrible any media the media can and i we just i think we just have to turn down the hate man you know we have to yes not forget not forgive not forget but not condemn so much either you know i think that you know he has to answer for what things he said and that are bad and things he's done with women and races and that's just a lesson he's got to learn but i don't think he deserves to be the hate he's gotten over it either i think the hate is got to go if you were an et looking at us hating people like that and not getting over it then you wouldn't want to visit here either would you no and the hate that is being outwardly portrayed

now in our society i don't know what the rest of the world's like i don't live in the rest of the world, but in our own society here in America, I know what it looks like. And the hate that's being outwardly portrayed has been festering for much longer than one single president has been in office. And it's a heart issue of the, at least the American people, but I would say all mankind, because I know there's hate all over the world. It's a heart issue. And people have hate in their hearts and they over time i i really think that people not intentionally but to a sense that they've been conditioned to find a reason to expel their hate onto other people and now we're living in a world in society where everybody does it's it's okay you have to pick a side and you have to find

somebody that you hate end of story like like you look at the news look at the mainstream media there's two sides of the coin. That's it. They want you to pick either side A or side B, black or white. There is no gray. And 100%. And if you pick the other side, you are evil. Right. I mean, you're like you pick one side, you're evil. You pick the other side, you're evil. So the other side, there is no winning in this, this game that's being played right now. I want to believe that it's all going to balance itself out in the end. I don't know how. That's just when I'm feeling, when I'm feeling really positive. That's what I want to believe. But I have no idea how something like this can balance out in the end because there's just so much, it's so much hate. And there's so many

people out there that are refusing to think on their own. And they're, they're allowing themselves be manipulated by others, whether it's the mainstream media or the people around them. They find something that they first latch on to. And that's it. They don't, they don't want to explore any other ideas. They don't want to explore any other thought processes. They build a these walls to surround themselves with people that think just like them. And if anybody else infiltrates that mindset, they are whatever. They're hated. And I just think that we need to stop with this hate that we have going on with whatever it is. Like right now with what we're recording today, you know, this week, the whole Nike thing, I don't care what you think about Nike

and I don't care what you think about Colin Kaepernick. Either side that you're on with that, I don't care. Stop hating your fellow Americans because of how they view a certain thing. We don't have to hate each other over these kind of things. Yep. Yep. I don't feel that he has, Colin Camberton, it's the same thing. Like, even if I don't, I don't, not really educated on the manner, but I don't feel

anybody deserves that kind of hate unless they hurt somebody, unless he physically, you know, like, it's different, you know, like a pedophile or something. Jeffrey Dahmer. Huh? just like Jeffrey Dahmer but he was like a sickness even then I don't really it's hard to hate him if it was somebody personally

I've more like pity him for being sick kind of thing you know even the worst people and the worst people the most criminals I feel more pity for them the people that put me through what I went through I feel more pity for them for being sick for not having any kind of empathy or not understanding really how the universe works

I feel pity on them for being sick more than I feel hate for them. You know? I don't hate them because you know, I just feel like it's something that can be cured. I just feel like somebody that's a complete fool can be cured

of it eventually. At least I hope so. I mean, you know, maybe that's foolish of me, you know. But I just see how I work. I just know that some days I'm a better person than others. And that's the way you know what and that's the way it is for everybody it's just unfortunately right now we're living in a time where people aren't introspective and they're not looking at themselves and seeing what can

I approve on on my own self who can I be tomorrow that's better than today they're not doing that they're living off of other people and they they're not looking in the mirror anymore and trying to improve their lives and being a better person in the society within you live and uh good the system I talked about earlier that's going to have to come down at some point. We're so commercially driven. You're not, you're not, uh, program through school and work and everything and all the commercials to make yourself a better person. Your program to make your things look better around you. Your program to make your house look nicer, to make your car stay nicer, to make your clothes, stay brand new. Your program to do that and to judge other people by that.

That's what you're programmed to do. you're not programmed to make yourself better on the inside in any way, shape, or form. In fact, you're discouraged. If you feed the homeless, it's a damn crime. You know? And so it's the system because if you're a giant, the corporations that took over, it's in their interest. You know, at some point people are going to have to realize that everybody being happy is in everybody else's interest. And the commercialism thing is, you know, I love capitalism.

I think it works, you know, but it has to be regulated and it has to be tapered off a bit at some point because it's dangerous when it's out of control and it's out of control right now. We've been infiltrated by corporations in our country. The country is no longer makes laws in the interest of the children or the people. It makes it makes laws in the interest of corporations and it's got that's got to stop. Otherwise, the ship's going to sink. Yeah. And what you just said, I mean, just look at 2000. 2008, the bailouts that happened there. I mean, the crimes that were committed during that time when we went, you know, almost bankrupt as a country and who was bailed out, you know what I mean? And who had to pay for it? I mean, well, that was them. Okay. Let's, I want to jump back into some SSP stuff. So we did. So after Mars, I was retrained on ship repair and then moved to series colony where I was put on a ship. And I worked on. one for six or seven, eight years. And I didn't do anything but repair down under it. I didn't see out the window.

I didn't meet the crew and did nothing. It was ground off day. I wanted to die. But eventually I got promoted and I did cargo. And we would pick up cargo often at a place called Diego Garcia. We would fly in in the middle of the night. And this is Germans. The crew was German, the command crew of the ship.

the labor crew down in the cargo area was American and European people. People from Europe. There was a guy that spoke Italian. He was from Italy, and he worked there. He was a slave, too, like me. We would go to a place. We would go to Diego Garcia in the middle of the night, and only a few officers had clearance that we were there.

There were only four or five guys on the base that knew we were there picking up cargo and dropping it off. Everybody else was cool. They had to go to bed at a certain time, stay in that so nobody knew we were there. There was a manifest that we had to sign. Somebody from the cargo bay or somebody had to come down.

Usually, usually an officer would have to go down and just supervise everything. One of the command crew, and he would sign. But then after a while, it got to be routine. And then so one of our guys would sign. We had to sign a paper, like a receipt for the cargo that we took. And one day it was me.

One day I signed it. And the guy was an American soldier, American military officer, was the guy handed me the clipboard to sign. And so he was fully aware that we were a spacecraft with Germans on it. He was fully aware of what was going on. And he said, you guys are starting to run up a tab. You need to let them know that they need to square this tab up. And it was something like $9 million. You know, the number, it was like $8 or $9 million of money that the tab, it was, it was, it showed.

It was a receipt for cargo. So at that time, I would go in the mornings to the mission briefings, first thing in the morning. I didn't go to the slave entrance of the ship. I would go to the front entrance, write the elevator up, and I sat with the command crew, and I reported on how much space. I had a report on how much volume of the cargo hold I had, how much weight, how much stuff we had on hand, what it weighed and how much volume we had available. That was my report and what I did in the morning.

morning. And that morning, at the end of it, they said, does anybody have anything to add? And I raised my hand. And I said, you know, last night I signed at Diego Garcia. And that guy said, we're running a big tab and we need to pay it. And they were broke into tears laughing, all of them. They broke into tears. They cried laughing at me. They didn't pay anything for anything that we picked up. It was a lie. The officer there thought that money was changing hands that one day he would get a sheet and it would say zero again. And so he thought we paid money. They didn't pay anything.

When we picked up cargo, when we found a alien race that we could trade with, we would offer them things that were made on Earth. We had packages with samples of everything, raw material. If they wanted, say, for instance, aspirin or coffee, coffee was a drug out there. If they wanted something that we grew here on Earth and we could. produce. They said, well, yeah, we'll trade us someone. We need 50 tons of that and we'll give you this plans to make this do-hicky.

We would come and get it at Diego Garcia. It would get shipped there and then we would pick it up and take it and trade with them. But we were not the Germans, the German Series Colony Corporation was not paying a dime for anything. Everything went freely.

So that's the level of slavery we're under. The corporations have that squared away because really the money is just for you and me to stay to keep working. On that level, they were just taxing the resources of the earth to trade

with other species. So that was the currency. Knowledge. The mission, the mandate was to trade goods for tech. We wanted technology. We didn't want to go and trade somebody some spice for some

gold or some salt for some spices, some tasty spice that we never had. They did. I mean, we did that. We didn't want to trade for some new fangle stuff. We wanted technology, period. End of story. We wanted to figure out a newer, better, a newer better blender. They wanted the next level of technology, the newer thing. And that was our mission. That was our entire mandate of our ship. And there are ships out there right now doing the same thing. Every now and then we did get some pretty high-tech stuff.

you know and that's the thing i mean i'm sitting here i'm listening to you tell your experience your singular personal experience and until you just said that you know it's hard to imagine but like according to what you're saying there are it's still going on like there's there's there's tons of people just like you that are involved in this i my time okay so i didn't go um i i built i built I drew out the timeline and it goes from 82. So you would say 20 years to that would go to 2002. But really because, okay, so this is kind of hard to get your head around. If you follow the trips that I was doing in the space,

we would leave at 8 o'clock in the morning and go for 10 hours and then we'd get back at 8 o'clock. So I experienced a 30-hour day in a 24-hour day in a 24-hour day. If you look at it like that, I mean, hypothetically, for years, for like 10 years. So it cut time off of my final time. So my 20 and back was done in 2000. Like I was only out there like 18 years of our calendar date,

even though the total time I spent was 20 years. There was a hard cab. There was something they said that if you were some, you know, genetically, if you did more than 20 years, when they put you back here, there was a high chance of you, a high probability of you being mentally disabled, you know, of a crazy going, going insane.

from it so they crafted it 20 years for you know my genetics but I so I did 20 years but it was I was really in our timeline there from 82 to about 2000 99 or 2000 was right around there and I know this because I woke up one day and I felt like a completely different person and I said to myself well I stood at the morning first thing in the morning like 7 a.m. I sat up in bed and I went it's over I kept saying it's over it's over and that was like at the end of 9. In the summer of 99, I think. And so that's why, I'm pretty sure that's why that happened, because those missions stretched my 20 years out. Like I experienced 20 years, but in 99, basically, they put me back.

They worked, they worked all that out. So you've got to think from 99, that was the last time that I knew, that was what we were doing in 99 up there. So that was, you know, 19 years ago. So I've been almost 20 years since. So I can imagine that quite a bit's happened. in that time. There's been quite a bit of advancement for them. They were building on series colony like crazy.

There was major construction going everywhere all the time. You would get off the train and look one way and it was under construction. They were building a giant thing. And you'd look the other way and they would be sculpting a giant statue in the wall. And then you'd go down, you know, there were entire small cities in caverns being built. And that was going heavily. So that was 20 years ago. I'm sure it's expanded greatly since then.

Yeah, I mean, that's a whole slavery sentence right there. Yeah, right. Wow. Yeah, again, well, and you know, another thing is when I first got there, the very first day I got there, I looked up. The hangar area that I was in was old. It was made out of steel and it was rusty. And it was old. Like, it was antiquated.

So they had been there for quite some time in 80. You know, 89. It was about 90, I think, that I ended up there, 90. I have to look at them. I wrote it down somewhere else. I didn't look through my timeline. But, you know, so the end of the 80s and the early 90s when I got there, the Series Colony Corporation was already an old place.

It had been there for a long time, 50 plus years at least, worth of age on the buildings. Wow. Wow. Well, Tony, listen. I want to start winding this down here for this interview. I want to ask you, though, kind of bring it all the way full circle around, how does your family now react to your story and experiences, your children, if you've even told them, your spouse, parents? I mean, what's been people's reactions to you sharing this?

I mean, I can imagine they at first probably thought, dude, you're crazy, you know? Well, I thought I was crazy. And what I did was I went to everybody and said, ask me questions, please prove me wrong. And what happened was I ended up convincing everybody else, you know. My whole family doesn't know as far as I know. What I found, the other thing I found was by telling people that had no idea about any of it and giving them the knowledge wasn't very considerate thing to do. So as a result, I only talk to people that ask me about it.

There are people that know about it that don't ask me anything. I think they'd rather not know. They're too busy worrying about having a better house and a better car. And so it's not fair for me to force it. It's not fair for me to force my experiences on somebody that's going to require them to unbelieve something that they believe. It's just not fair. So I don't.

So if anybody asks me, I talk to whoever. I told my kids. And sometimes they have questions and they talk to me about things. You know, I got my kids into the law of one and told them about everything I could, you know, just to be honest with them. I feel I didn't want to set them up for failure in case it happened to them. I've told some other people, but again, anybody that doesn't ask me, so nobody asks me really in my day-to-day life about it. And so I don't talk about it much. I go for weeks at a time and don't really talk about it with people, you know, that I live nearby.

Right. I like talking about it. It's a really good therapy. But again, in order to believe what I'm telling you, what I've said today with you, in order to believe any of it, you have to somebody that doesn't know, they have to unbelieve something. And that's a big thing to ask of a stranger or a loved one. So I don't really go around. I'm not really on a mission to tell people this stuff. I'm kind of putting this in for history's sake.

You know, I think someday in the future, after they disclose, maybe something that I say might be worth something, you know, as a historical account. So it's my hope that that's the case. But that's really, getting it off my chest has been reward enough. Yeah, and I imagine, like I've said to you, probably numerous times tonight, I think that is probably one of the biggest things that people get out of my show as far as coming on. I know, you know, I contacted you, but a lot of people that come on, when they get to share their experiences, it really does help them get it off their chest and move on.

You know, I want to bring you back on for a patrons episode where patrons' can actually come on the line and ask you questions and things like that because I'm sure that the patrons are going to want to talk to you. I think it would be fun. And I like doing those kind of shows for the patrons. But you mentioned earlier to me, I'm not sure if it was during the interview or before the interview, that you're kicking around the idea of a book and things like that. I want to just give you an open invitation.

If you do pursue the book and that goes through for you. Whenever that happens, you're more than welcome to come on the show and talk about the book and stuff and drum up interest because I definitely think people would really enjoy having that. So I highly encourage you to pursue something like that. Yeah, I'd like to get the book out of the way just so I could give all the gory details down and quit talking about it from the beginning of the end. Yeah. And once there's a book written down of it, I can kind of like get back to my life. kind of thing. You know, I don't know if it's going to be some kind of income thing. I don't expect it to be, but it'll be, and frankly, a lot of people ask for it. There's a lot of, you know,

it's when you Google my name, there's book is the third one, I think, that pops up Tony Rodriguez book. So a lot of people are interested in it. I think it's just going to be one of those things to, it'll be the final telling of the story, but it's hard, it's been hard for me to write it. I'm not, I'm no author. Yeah, no, and that's, that's probably, some of the hardest things that people face is when it comes to the idea of doing a book is, you know, are you a writer? Not everybody's a writer. I'm not a writer. My wife's a writer. She used to do professionally, like, but I'm not the writer, you know? Like, and so, I mean, you can tell the story, but when it comes to actually putting it down on paper, it takes time, especially

if it's not your forte. So yeah, but Tony, man, I appreciate talking with me tonight and stuff, and I think we're giving the people one hell of an interview. So it's been a good one. Yeah, it sure has. just feels good to do it. And I'm happy to anybody out there. I know there's going to be a lot of questions. I'll keep an eye where I can. You know, there's always a lot of questions of things we might not have covered. I've done one other show where people called in and did the questions, and it went, well, great. And I really enjoyed it. And I would love to do that again if that opportunity rises. Yeah, we'll definitely work it out and stuff in the future. So that said, I really appreciate you coming on, man. So take care.

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