The Confessionals - 98: The Vortex Portal

Episode Date: November 20, 2018

On Episode 98: The Vortex Portal, we are joined by Tony's friend Scott, who shares his numerous odd experiences in the Allegheny National Forest. He discusses many unexplainable occurrences, from seeing strange lights in the forest and bigfoot coming in close to his camp, to his most recent experience of what only can be described as some kind of vortex portal that appeared right before him one night!Patreon: www.patreon.com/TheConfessionalsWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail]: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcastTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelShow Intro INSTRUMENTAL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyub39AXxUwShow Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3Outro Music: Bazanji - Fake Friends

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With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Got spursers, got closer, got spursing, got spursing, when he got this load his head on. I feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over, and there are two small gray into teeth. pulling it. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush,

and I touch air. Couldn't breathe. And I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Yep. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or story you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. That's The Confessionals podcast at gmail.com or go to the website the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the connection section, and you can reach me that way as well. Either way it works for me, just get a hold of me. Now let's get into the Art Bell iTunes 5-star rating and review shoutouts. If you go to iTunes and leave a five-star rating and review, you get a shout-out on the following week's show.

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It means a lot to me and I really do appreciate it. If any of you guys want to be part of the secret group, just go to Facebook.com forward slash T.B. Merkel and friend request me. And once more friends, I can actually add you to the secret group. So go ahead and do that. If that's any interest to you. So this week we have Scott coming on and Scott is actually a really good friend of mine and he comes on to share a lot of different experiences he's had in the Allegheny National Forest in Pennsylvania, including Bigfoot experiences and just a lot of paranormal experiences. This is a very good conversation me and Scott had that you guys are really going to enjoy. He talks about a lot of different stuff including a portal vortex that appeared before him and he was not the only one

that saw this. So sit back and relax and let's get into it right now. Okay, tonight I have a great guest coming on, and it's actually one of my good friends here. Scott, how you doing, man? I'm doing well. How are you today, Tony? I'm doing good, man. So you're somebody that kind of blew my mind when I first met you because I remember we were at the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, and I was sitting at the table with you, we're eating dinner, getting to know you this stuff and you openly talked about the weird stuff when it comes to Bigfoot. And not many people at that time I had come across were willing to do that. And it kind of caught me off guard and stuff. I was like, wow, this guy just is very open about some of these odd experiences that he's had out in

the woods. And I'm really excited about having you on tonight to talk about your experiences. These are things that, you know, you're very upfront and honest with people and you just tell people, this is what I experienced and, you know, make of it what you will. And so most of these experiences you had were in the Allegheny National Forest, right? Absolutely, yeah, or very, very near to the Alleghenian National Forest in the Oil City, Franklin area, Tionesta, the forest right around there. They're so thick. And it's just that I've spent, I've camped up there for over 25 years.

I'm 34. So I've spent a lot of time up there during my life. And I think that has a lot to do with the experiences we have, actually, for some strange reason. I just kind of feel that in my heart. Yeah. And I kind of agree with you. And I think people will see what you're talking about as you tell some of your stories tonight. Instead of going from beginning to end, I know you've had a lot of different stories and stuff that you could share.

I'm going to get you started on one. And then from there, we'll just see how things develop and stuff. So let's just start off with the whole vortex thing you just saw in the woods not too long ago, a few weeks ago. I actually referenced it on the think tank that we did. It was just a fascinating story that I heard from you. So why don't you share with this exactly what happened that night? All right. It was a, I still really can't believe we saw what we saw.

but there was four of us that were kind of going on a night hike. Actually, Brian, there was five of us, and Brian went on a hike with us. You know, Brian, I'm referencing. I don't know if that's cool to, anyway. We went for a hike, and it was just dead in that side of the forest. We had no experiences. We probably hiked a mile deep from our campsite, which is already in the dead center of the Alleghenia National Forest. And it was really dead.

and we got back to camp and we were trying to regroup. And, you know, then four of us decided, hey, we're going to go hike up the hill and go see what's going on up there. And I could, I don't know what it was. I just kind of sensed like we were being watched from that area all weekend. So we hiked up there and we're hiking up and the guys are kind of following me. And I kind of felt like I hit an electrical fence. Like, boom.

All right, stop. I look at my friend Charlie and he, his hair is literally standing on and like he's got an afro going on. And he normally doesn't have an afro. And he just, it was, it was insane. Like, you know, you know, all of our hairs are standing on our neck. All of our hairs are standing on our arms. And my friend Jeff cares right past us and starts hiking up the hill. I'm like, Jeff, wait, he's like, I got this. And, you know, it was like three days in the morning on Saturday night, Memorial Day weekend in the Alleghenian National Forest, then, you know, normally I would chalk one of these experiences up to, you know,

not being in the right state of mind. But we were all in the right state of mind, you know. Jeff tears off and we lose him. I find out later the reason he wasn't responding is because he was watching some kind of missed orb something manifest about 20 feet away from him. at the same time he was noticing this my friend charlie i'll also refer to him as truck i've known him my whole life pretty much is is witnessing this with me and it's this reddish gray kind of mist very subtle but you could tell something was manifesting we thought it was jeff with his red light flashlight you know over his hand and i said jess is that you and he turned his flashlight on about 30 feet past what we were focusing on, and we realized that wasn't Jeff, and our minds were

like, wait, what, what? You know, your mind is thinking it's one of your friends, and then all of a sudden you realize it's not, so you're having a quick, oh, wait, what is this reality I'm looking at right now? And this thing disappeared. It looked like feet first into a sideways tornado and disappeared in its eyes where like the last thing to disappear into this vortex and it was gone. And we were all just stunned. You know, Chuck and his friend tore down the hill. They're like, we're out of here. This is messed up. And I'm stuck between this thing and Jeff and the campsites behind me. And I'm like, well, I'm not leaving my

friend, you know, this is, this is crazy. I'm not leaving my friend here. What if, what if something's going to hurt him now? It was, my mind telling me because after I analyzed it and we sat around the fire, we felt no fear. But I finally hiked up, God Jeff, and literally we almost walked hand in hand back down the hill, and we felt like we were being escorted from each side and behind us back down the hill to our campsite because we had gotten. I don't even know. I don't know why it happened the way it did, but that's what we saw. And I sent you those pictures to say, hey, this is kind of like what I saw and we've all confirmed this is what we saw.

And I just, I have no idea what the heck it was, but it was something. It looked like the Scooby-Doo eyes in the beginning of the Scooby-Doo cartoon when they're coming out of that little spiraling vortex type deal. It was, it was the craziest thing I've ever experienced in my life. I have no clue what it was, but I know it was real. And I know three out of the four of us saw it and experienced it. And our hair was standing on the end of our, just on end, everywhere. It was, it was crazy.

Like, it's giving me goosebumps thinking about it right now to tell you the truth. Like, it's not making me feel uneasy, but it's making me happy to talk about it because it was crazy. Yeah. No, I can't imagine seeing something like that in the woods. Now, what you're saying is that there was a face within this mist that you first saw, right? Absolutely. It was, I couldn't tell you, because I thought it was Jeff. I thought it was my friend.

So my mind was trying to picture Jeff there. So once I realized it wasn't him, it was already almost gone. Like, that's kind of how fast it happened. Okay. If that makes sense. Yeah. And so this face that you saw in the mist, then it goes into the vortex or it becomes a vortex? It went, it disappeared into the vortex, almost as if it, it managed.

manifested a portal to disappear into as outlandish and ridiculous at sound. We probably just lost a bunch of listeners for me using that way. Oh, well. So basically what you're saying is you saw this mist. And what color was the mist again? I can't remember. It was reddish gray. It was like reddish gray, pink.

You know, if I went to Home Depot or Lowe's and looked at the color swatches, I could probably find the exact color, you know. But it was reddish gray. gray. Gotcha. Almost like a peach, peach red brick. It's so hard to describe.

It was so, I don't know, it was stunning. I mean, it was breathtaking. It was just like, wait a minute, that's not my friend

and that's something else manifesting in the middle of the woods. Wait, what is going on right now? And then it was gone. Okay. I remember that specifically being my, my thought process.

Like, wait, what just happened? and I turned around and the other guys were already running away. So what color was this vortex? What color was the vortex?

It was that it was the same color as that I think that's what we saw and then right at the end it looked like there was a a face disappearing into that that vortex because I feel like it realized it had been had

like we had seen it. And then when Jeff's chimed his flash light actually down towards us, he shined it right at that thing and it made whatever it was go away. It was, it was mind-boggling. Yeah. I can't even, I can only explain what I saw because I have no idea what it happened. So how large was this vortex? I mean, was it the size of like a head or was it something that was, you know, maybe the size of a car? It was, if I had to estimate, maybe 30 inches wide. And it was about four and a half feet off the ground. Because I remember being able to reference where Jeff was on the hill and where I'd seen this thing. And it was not much bigger

than he was. Just in relation. You know, and he was uphill. But, you know, this thing, he was probably 50 feet away from us. And this thing was in between us. So you see this vortex and everything. But did you hear anything? Like during this, you're seeing this, were you able to hear it at all? or was it just silent? I heard nothing. I mean, we heard a few little, like, thick cracks or breaks, but we chalked that up to maybe being a chipmunk

or something like that, you know, just... Okay. We heard nothing to know that there was something around. The only way that I felt I knew something was around was because my hair was standing on end. Like, it was... Yeah, I mean, I just sensed the energy was different. There was some kind of...

of strange energy. It just felt like I had just been electrocuted almost. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's one of those things, man. Like, it's really weird and fascinating at the same time because, you know, I'm trying to think here, like, what could be happening, you know, for that to happen? And, you know, is this something to do with Bigfoot?

Is it because it's a haunted forest? Is it a haunted forest? Is there a possibility that there's some kind of. military type step going on. I know that Pennsylvania is rumored to have a deep underground military base somewhere in Pennsylvania. And if you're going to have one of those, I would think that maybe a good spot would be the National Forest because the National Forest takes up like one eighth of the state. It's huge. And it is massive. And it's all federal property. And so if you're going to do something like that, I always wondered if there is something going on in that forest military-wise,

with the government or whatever. And if that's the case, you know, are they playing with things that, you know, we don't have the technology to do, you know? Is that something that you saw? I don't know. Did you get a sense that this was a very supernatural event? Or do you think that it could have been maybe some kind of military operation? I feel that it has more to do with, like, natural laylines of the earth and the natural

network of the way energy and frequency travels through the, the planet and there's certain areas where those forces are stronger than others. And this I feel could be because if what I saw was created by a human or man, like, I just, I didn't get that feeling at all. I got the feeling that I was in the presence of something way different. I just, I don't, but I could be wrong. I mean, like I said, I don't claim to know what the heck's going on. I just claim to be completely 100% honest about what I've seen and experienced,

then we can talk about it because that's the only way we're going to really figure this out is if we're actually open to what's happening to us, and we're willing to talk about it, you know, because I don't know that many people would be willing to talk about what had happened because, I mean, just on that specific experience, and I probably have another dozen similar experiences to that, which is like, what, how could this be happening, you know? Yeah. And just the fact that, you know, I don't think, personally, my belief that is if,

if Saswatch was a, was a hairy mountain ape, that some hunter would have one on his wall by now. I mean, I firmly believe in that. You know, my little brother is an avid hunter. His father was an avid hunter. I've been a hunter. I've spent a lot of time in the forest. And the only time that this Sasquatch phenomenon happens is at a time, you know, it's not at a time.

It's just something that it's not natural to us. It's got to be something. different. I just, I don't know what that different is. I don't, I feel like it can be flesh and blood, but I also feel like it's got to be able to do something different or somebody would have taken one out by now. I just firmly believe that. I really do. And maybe I'm out of date on my stories and stuff, but I, as far as I know, nobody's ever brought one to light. So I just, you know, there's a lot of skilled hunters out there that are very good at what they do. and for nobody to ever take one out blows my mind.

So that right there tells me that this has to be something different. Because even if one out of the, I mean, how many reports do you hear of these things being cited? Even if one of these reports is genuine and 100% true. And I know I'm not seeking fame or anything by talking about this, you know, So I have nothing to gain from this except for knowledge for myself and for everybody else because it's so interesting. It's got to be real. It's out there. There's something out there.

So I love the opportunity to talk about this so maybe we can figure out what the heck it is. You know, like you said, maybe it's a spirit. Maybe it's a haunting. Who knows? But it'd be pretty crazy if it was a hairy ape's man haunting things. So I feel like it's something much better than a haunting. You know, maybe it's, you know, I feel blessed to have had the experiences I do if that's the right word because it changed my life for the better, you know. It really did.

It put me around people and made me believe in things that I didn't even, that I didn't even know could exist, you know. Just, it's been a really good thing. So that's, I just don't even know where to go from there. Yeah, no, it's fine. That's where I'm at. Yeah, so, you know, along those lines and stuff, I mean, I've heard stories of people taking these things out. The problem with these stories is nobody's ever been able to produce a body. So if you can't produce a body, it's just a story. Or even a finger. Right, right, right. But, I mean, here's the thing. I mean, if you listen to my think tank episode that I did with the guys, you would hear me talking about the possibility this thing being coming from possible supernatural origins. So, you know, if these things are

a remnant of Nephilim type creatures, then it's not so much of a stretch in my mind to think that these things actually might have some type of abilities that aren't natural to flesh and blood creatures because they were created by supernatural entities. And if that's the case, then for me, it's like everything would fall in line so perfectly if I could just prove that one thing because, I mean, people talk about seeing these things cloak and they hear them, but they can't see them and all this different stuff. But at the same time, if you hear people say that it's very physical, that I had a guy on my show once say that he actually reached into a berry bush and touched this thing when he was a kid. Like, he was picking berries and he didn't know

it was in there. It's like these things at the same time are physical. And so it's like, what is it? You know? And so it's just very curious. We have a story that you and I kind of went through together and stuff, the first time we met in the South Fork State Park. Yeah. Are you one of the guys that did see the lights in the forest? Or are you one of the guys that didn't see lights?

I was standing right with you and I absolutely saw the same thing you saw. And that was the first time that I ever saw anything. but it was like that, but it was not the last time I ever saw anything like that. I have seen those kind of just bloaty light in the forest numerous times now. And I've actually been like flashed by something that was in the forest. Like they were trying to get my attention with that same type of light. So if you want to talk about that, that'd be great. Yeah, let's go into that and stuff.

Let's just keep a PG-ray. Don't talk about the flashing. No, I'm just kidding. Oh, no, it was a flashing of light. No, I know. I was just kidding. It's all good, man. We're all peeing.

Yeah, no. So why don't you go into that and stuff? You've had run-ins with these lights and the fours multiple times. The first time was with me, and just to refresh people who maybe haven't heard that story, we were hiking through Salt Fork State Park, and there was a very steep drop-off to my left, and to my right there was a very steep hill. As we're walking this game trail, I look up to my right and on the inside of the canopy of the forest, there was a pulsating light. It wasn't moving around. It wasn't on the outside of the trees. It was very much on the inside of the canopy.

And it was pulsating in and out very slowly. And then it just pulsated out. It was just gone. And so it was me, Scott, Brian, and Dave Groves, who was on our show sharing his big foot encounter. And it was very, I wouldn't say that we were scared. I mean, I think that that wasn't very much of a scary experience as much of it was just like, for me, it was like, wow, those things are real because I hear people talking about these things and now I've seen it. And then we were walking out of the forest. Something else happened. Why don't you finish that part of the story off there, Scott? Yeah, we were getting back to the car and we're going to go back to the lodge, and we weren't very far from the lodge at all. And, you know, we had heard stories about Brian B.

able to do a great Ohio howl. So we're like, let's hear it, Brian. So Brian lets out this Ohio howl. And, you know, it was pretty stinking good. It was really good. He does a great one. I've had him, you know, asked him to do it many times since. And right after he finished his howl, something,

it seemed like, you know, there were little pine trees that were in the tree line, something like, shook one of these pine trees and tore off. And I've heard deer. and pretty much any other animal tear off into the woods. And this thing, for like three or four steps, correct me if I'm wrong, seem to just tear stuff down and then you heard absolutely nothing. And any other animal you can hear tear off and tail off into the woods as they get further away,

you know, just as if you or I were to run away from each other. But this thing, it was like four steps and gone. And that was pretty profound to me because I, I was like, well, what, you know, unless somebody from the lodge was there and messing with us, which very well could have been happening, there was something else. And what makes me think that is because of that pulsating light we saw, there was something with us. And, you know, I think certain people attract these things because I think they are beings of energy or something different that we don't quite understand yet. And that was, that was pretty awesome, man. So I've also seen these lights at the campsite where I camp in the Allegheny National Forest,

and I've also seen them right in OIL City. And it's odd. Sometimes it just seems like the forest comes alive with these lights. And, you know, is it, it seems weird. I'm probably going to lose some more listeners here by saying, like, when my friend used to play his flute in the forest, it seems like these, these lights were attracted to us.

And I know Dave Groves talks about that exact thing happening. You can maybe tell the story to another time, but when these, it seems like when people play these native or handmade or homemade instruments and, you know, just play, these things are attracted to it. And, you know, so I was with, I was with Brian, and actually October for my birthday, we went out to OILFity to go visit a friend. And we went to their little site where they've had lots of encounters.

And I think Dave talks about this area also. We, you know, they were playing the flute. And these orbs just started, like, rising in the forest. And there was multiples. I couldn't even tell you how much. many, but they just seem to be like just, you know, doing their thing. I can't even explain what they were doing, but there was multiple lights just kind of dancing in the forest as my friend was playing his flute. And it was odd. And then his wife started singing, and she has a pretty

voice, and it just seemed like even more were coming out. So I was wondering if maybe just the music does something to our brains and makes us see those things or if those were things that are really there because, you know, Brian and I agreed that we were watching this happen. So we were just trying to determine what it was causing that to happen because it was just, it was so euphoric. It was just, hey, I'm in the middle of the forest. The air smells great. You know, the stars are out and I'm listening into this beautiful flute being played and this beautiful singing, and I'm happy. So I'm seeing this, or is something else happy to hear this too and they want to hear more? You know, like, what's going on here? So, I mean, I'm always open to the human element of this whole thing

to where we might not actually be seeing what we think we're seeing or, you know, I'm open to that. So that's some things I've seen. And then we're sitting around the campfire and I was smoking an electronic cigarette at the time. So like it lit up white at the end every time I would take a puff off of it. So every time I'd date, the light would light up white. And I'm sitting there and I'm looking up into the forest and where we camp were in the low area and there's a ridge on both sides of us. So up on the top of the ridge, it looked like like an airplane light flashing me.

And it flashed, flashed, and then it went to the left side of the tree it was behind, flashed a light again, and came back to the right side of the tree and flashed. So it was like something was looking on either side of the tree, and those lights were happening again. And I was with a BFRO researcher at the time, who will remain anonymous. And I said, did you see that? Well, yeah, I think I saw that. Well, about 15, 20 minutes later, the same thing happened from a little different area in the forest. And the same thing.

It was, you know, light flash, light flash, left side of the tree, light flash, right side of the tree, light flash. And what was that? And this BFRO researcher saw that at this time and was like, all right, I saw that. That was pretty crazy. So we don't know what that was when I went up there the next morning to see where those lights were coming from. It was a tree that had fallen into the crotch of another tree and was about 40 feet up. And that's where the lights were coming from. So I was like, I wouldn't be able to climb up there.

I don't know what would be up there because I always try to say, hey, you know, that could be some person messing with me. Or that could be, you know, just a person being goofy or whatever. But, I mean, where those lights were coming from, somebody would have a lot of effort into putting themselves in that position just to fool with us. So I'm not sure what happened there, but that was another cool experience. Yeah, that was just a weird one. That was, I think, maybe the same weekend, Brian had his siting at our campsite. Yeah, why don't you tell people about that whole thing?

I know it's his sight, but you were there. It was at the campsite that you guys were at. Yeah, so it was the first time I had Brian camp with us, and it was great. I believe it was a Labor Day weekend. It might have been the second time. I'm not completely positive. But that was the weekend my family showed up on Friday night. and we normally show up around 10 o'clock at night into the campsite because we work Fridays.

We don't get the lead to about 6. We get in around 10, camp set up around 1, get the kids to sleep. This was a weekend where when we showed up into the Allegheny National Forest, it was 26 degrees and it was cold. And my son was like two and a half and he was not happy. He's like, you took me out of my warm house and my warm bed to camp in this tent. I'm not having it. And he was screaming the whole time. But we finally got him to bed.

It was around two in the morning. It was my best friend Jeff again. My wife, Amber, my daughter Kendra and myself were sitting around the fire, finally just relaxing, decompressing, getting ready to go to bed for the night. And it sounds like something's walking through the creek from the depth of the forest. like there's no lights coming, you know, we didn't see lights at the time. We just heard something. It sounded like a person, a big person, walking towards us through the creek. And I'm like, all right, this is getting weird. So I clacked the stones together. And whatever was walking towards us clacks and stones, but you could tell one of the stones was still in the

water. Because it had that, you know, that sound that you could tell was in the water. And I'm like, well, that's weird. That's you. a black bear flacking its jaw because we're in this territory and telling us to leave or that's something completely different. So I walked kind of the edge of the campsite where the light still was, but it was an eight foot drop down and probably 50 feet to the creek still. I'm like, well, if it's a bear, I might have two seconds to react to this. And I said, hey, are you a bear or are you what we're here for because if you could send me a sign and let me know, I feel a lot better. And literally, Tony, the second those words came out of my mouth, there was a tree that was

snapped in half and fell across the creek and we heard something pair up off the hill. So after I cleaned my pants out, I was like, guys were safe. And I looked at my wife and I looked at my best friend and my daughter is in my wife's slap like clinging to her like holy moly what just happened and and my best friend jeff's eyes are the size of of saucers and and my wife is like oh my gosh my husband's not a moron these things are real because it was just you could tell it was an answer to my question it wasn't it wasn't me scaring some bear up a tree that snapped you know because i thought about that too so then we investigated in the morning we found some 13 and a half 14 inch footprint

that looks like a barefoot, and it was a 10-inch in diameter beach tree that was snapped off about 9 feet up, which we cut up in use the firewood because we didn't have any firewood that weekend, which was pretty excellent. So then Dave shows up to camp with us, and then Brian shows up with a couple of his friends,

and this is the following day. We told them about what had happened, and Brian hang some apples up in a tree as like a gift and, you know, after that night happens, we go check the apples and they left like a stick, weaved in the lines that we strung the apples up with. And there was, I think, 12 or 13 apples and seven of them were yellow. And every one of the yellow apples had like thumb and fingerprints in it, like something had squeezed it in the plastic bag. And there was like apple sauce pulse in the bottom of the bag.

So like, hey, you know, that might have worked. So the next day, we hung peanut butter up as well. I think I'm pretty sure I'm pretty close on how this all happened. And we hung peanut butter up with the apples. And we heard something kind of creeping in quietly through Brian's parabolic microphone down the ridge where there was a trail where we thought exactly where they might come in. and we had kind of forgot about that. I think it was dinner time or something,

or maybe Jeff got back from the firewood run or something. And next thing you know, one of Brian's friends is like, hey, the peanut butter is swinging because he's looking through the night vision monocular. And the peanut butter is swinging back and forth like crazy. So then he hands Brian the night vision,

and Brian's staring at it, staring at it, staring at it, and all of a sudden, Brian goes, holy crap, I just saw something. And what he explains is when he was looking at it, the tree and the color of whatever he was looking at were the same through the night vision because it was a black and white. And then all of a sudden, the tree shrank three quarters of the size because whatever was standing behind the tree trying to hide dropped to the ground and ran off into the forest. so that was his sighting. And when we investigated that whole situation later, the next morning we found footprints,

we found a whole bunch of stuff that led us to believe that he had a legit fast-swighting. Yeah. Were you able to get any pictures or cast those footprints? I do not. No, we did not cast the footprints, but we did get photos. of I do believe Brian has photos of the apples and the size of the finger and thumbprints that it were in the apples and that the plastic bag was never punctured. It was just, you know, squeezed. But, you know, one of the things I do when I'm out, like, if I find a footprint, I might take a picture of it, but I feel like that was left for us. And I try to be as respectful as possible because not everybody really, really needs to know that these things are out there. And that's my opinion.

I just, I try to be as respectful to them because, you know, be hidden as long as they have been. There has to be a reason. So I try to, I try to kind of leave what I find in the forest, what I, you know, there. And if I find trash or rubbish, I'll clean that up. But I try to leave those things behind, which I know a lot of researchers are like, what, What do you mean? You found hundreds of footprints and never casted one.

Well, I don't know. It tells me in my heart to leave them. So, you know, no disrespect or anything to anybody that does cast them. That's cool, but that's just my stance on it. And I seem to get pretty constant results as long as people are present in the campsite, but I don't like to bring that home. You know, I go there for a special reason. Yeah.

And, you know. That's my stance on it. Yeah, and you've had success doing it that. way. I mean, none of us really know what these things are and stuff. And, you know, who knows, maybe they respect the fact that you're not taking the footprint. You know, I've heard that talked about before. And if I remember correctly, Jamie and Jenny, they, they operate with a very similar philosophy, don't they? Yes. Yes. But, I mean, they do cast it because they believe that they're leaving that for us to help teach others, which I totally respect and

love Jamie and Jenny. They are absolutely some of my most favorite people on the Facebook. planet. Yeah, no doubt. And they've helped. My daughter, Kendra, she'll be 10 in August. We go out and visit them as much as possible and go do, you know, check out their research area. And my gosh, some of their evidence is just, you know, some of the stuff they found and some of their stories are just mind-blowing. It's awesome talking to them, you know, and they make you feel comfortable. And that's what it's all about, you know. We're not going to figure this out. fighting with each other because I don't believe the same thing you believe.

I mean, you know, I don't know what really to believe to tell you the truth in this thing. I just know that we're experiencing amazing things and there's got to be a reason for it. You know, I don't believe in coincidences either. So that's another one to throw out there. You know, I feel like we're all, some reason, whatever this is is just amazing enough to know who to show itself to, I guess, in a way. I don't know. I'm really deep about it, man.

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You've had experiences with Jamie and Jenny, right? Yes, absolutely. So what kind of things happened? I've heard very, very, very strong loud Treenax, as some people call it. structures that they've shown us, the tree bends they've shown us, all that kind of stuff has just been amazing. Yeah, I know they get a lot of that stuff on their property. I actually had them on for an interview. It just hasn't aired yet. So, you know, but they've actually talked about that stuff a lot. There's a lot of stuff that goes on in the area. And the cool

thing about them is that they really, they might grow research. I mean, they don't just travel the state of Pennsylvania and go all over the place. They actually go to a specific location all the time and they know it, they know it so well that they know when there's changes. They know when they see a TP structure that wasn't there two days ago. They know it because they comb this area all the time. And that's, that's, I respect that a lot about them. They, they do a really good job with that. And they have some of the most open hearts. There's some of the most genuine people. And I think that has a lot to do with their experiences as well. You know, they, they are really into it and they really believe what they're doing is, you know, is real.

And that's part of it. You have to believe in yourself and your research techniques. Otherwise, you're not going to get results. You know, you have to be avid. You have to go after it, you know? Right. And they're also some that never really claimed to know exactly what's going on. And they're into a lot of different paranormal things.

So they just have an open mind to it. And I think that's one of the most. important things. You know, none of us are right or wrong. None of us have been able to prove anybody right or wrong. So why, why are we bickering in this community about paranormal versus mountaine versus flesh and blood? I just think it's ridiculous. Yeah. I just, I do. No, you're absolutely right. It's, it's not, it's not the wisest thing to do because it's putting yourself in position where you think or you present yourself in a way where you got it all figured out. And that's dangerous to do because until you actually got it all figured out, you need to keep that open

mind so that you can remain flexible with new evidence. You know, like some of the things that you talked about tonight here on the show is new evidence that some people don't want to accept. You know that and I know that. They don't want to, they don't want to hear that. And, you know, it's a shame because there's a lot more going on this world. than what we can explain. And when you act like you can explain everything, that's when you're lost because you close yourself off to all the new stuff. Yeah, absolutely.

And, you know, I mean, I'll throw it out there. I will, you know, as long as somebody proves themselves to be able to conduct themselves in a right way, in a right manner in front of my children, because my children are always present when we're camping. I'll take anybody out to the woods. I mean, we'll camp and we'll have a great time. I'm not going to guarantee an experience or anything, except for we're going to eat really good.

If you want to have a few beverages, we're going to do that. And we're going to have a good time. And as family units in the forest, which is, you know, that's how we get back to our roots, in my opinion, man. I kick my kids out to the woods two, three, four times a year to turn off the cell phones and get away from it just because it's special. There's something about the forest that we all know. need to connect to, you know, or just nature in general, you know. Yeah. Special.

It's important. So it's important to my family. And like I said, the offer, the offer is there. People know how to find me or get in touch with me. I have no problem inviting new people into the woods as long as, you know, we know somebody mutual that can vouch for you being a good person. I'm not scared to invite people off the woods. Maybe we'll get an experience.

Maybe we won't. But chances are if you have an open mind and a number. open heart, which is really two completely different things. I have pretty good confidence that you will. You just can't put yourself into the box. As I remember, there was a conversation I heard you have with somebody where, you know, you put yourself into a box, and then you're in that box, and that's the only thing you can deal with is what's in that box, instead of having an open mind and being able to

experience everything, you know, or everything that is there. It's just, it's good to have an open mind, you know. I 100% agree with you. So it's really cool. There's, let's see. I guess maybe one day my friend Jeff will talk about his experience, but it was that same weekend. We were camping where Brian had his experience. We were hiking through a different part of the forest and we heard something was like grunting at us.

And it was Jeff and I'm like, all right, guys, we're, this is kind of scary. I didn't feel afraid, but I'm like, I don't feel like we're wanted here, you know? And Jeff has to have just the biggest set of them of anybody I've ever met. You know what I'm saying? Because this dude's like, nope, I'm going for it. I'm here. I'm curious and I'm innocent. I'm going for it.

And it's like, wait a minute, that's not very respectful, but that's never been a strong suit. So he tears off into the woods and Brian and I and a few of us kind of tear back and we're watching Jeff through the thermal. And all of a sudden there's another thermal image like five or ten feet behind Jeff. And next thing we know Jeff is sprinting full speed with no flashlight through a thick forest and then climbs himself out of this area where. we were like on a road looking down a ravine at him through the woods and something was kind of like chasing him and he's like I don't know how I didn't fall on my face I don't know how I got out of there I felt like something was breathing on my neck and it wanted me out of there and I was like well you know I was trying to tell you that 10 minutes ago and you had that kind of experience and I also feel like you know they could hurt him very badly, very easily, but they didn't. And I've never felt fear when I'm in the presence of them. So I don't think they really have the intention of hurting us humans.

I really don't because if they did, man, they would, we wouldn't stand a chance. The speed that they move with. And just being able to step behind the tree and disappear, which is things I've seen. And it's just, I think it's, they, they want to connect with us and show us that there's something that we should be doing that we're not, maybe, you know, like living in congruence with beer. I hope that was the right use of that word.

But, um, sure. I just feel like there's, there's a message they're trying to send by showing themselves to us. and maybe it's the togetherness. Maybe it's working together. Maybe we're capable of something that we don't quite know that we're capable of. And they're trying to show us that I just don't know. I'm curious and I will continue to be going up to the forest to experience these things

and just to the fact that I love the forest. But I just, I don't know. one day I do. You know? No, yeah, I get it, man. I often tell people that I really reserve myself to the idea that I'm probably never going to get the answers that I want in this life about what these things are and even just a paranormal stuff that I cover on the show.

There's just so much mystery and really nobody has a clue, you know? So we're just kind of taking shots in the dark. You know, before we kind of wrap this thing up here, man, have you ever, I know, I know Dave Groves dealt with being zapped once. And I didn't know if that was with you or if that was with different guys being zapped, you know, like infrasound almost. That was in the same location in Oil City with the same people that I had visited with Brian back in October.

And I've had some extremely profound experiences with them where I actually saw. what I believe was maybe even the same individual gray big foot of Carbondale PA. Really? In Oil City, like, you know, the one that Dave has the photograph of where you can see, you know, from Oil City. I believe I've seen that creature myself with my own two eyes. I came through the snow, you know, it was like 18 inches of snow. It was in February. I was a, um, my little brother owns a boot.

So one of the people that we visit makes little woodworking things that my brother would sell at his boutique. So we went out to go pick up some of those. And he's like, you want to go see the research area? It's been pretty active. So we went. I saw a couple 21 inch long footprints in the snow. Wow. Yeah, dude.

And you could even feel the dermal ridges in the ice because whatever it was foot was so hot. when it hit the snow, it was probably a foot deep of snow. I think this was like 2014, 2015, maybe 2013. I don't know. You could feel the dermal ridges of whatever it was foot, which was mind-boggling me. This was one of my very first experiences. We had response wood knocks. We heard grunts.

we heard in Ohio howl. That was just amazing. You know, we were almost playing peek-a-boo with one behind the tree because you would see its eye come out from behind the tree and you'd see the head and it looked like it was maybe a juvenile, maybe only 60s tall, but its head was just massive and it would like peek out from behind this tree and look at us and we flash our red light flashlight at it and it would blink its eye back at us. It was crazy.

And, you know, I mean, the offer. is always there, man. You with your son and stuff, you guys can always come out to our campground. It's a very, very, very family-friendly place. We're good people. We all love it. So,

I'm just throwing that out there, too. For sure, man. And I definitely want to get out there and stuff with you guys. I know I am making some plans later this summer and stuff to possibly go out that way. If I do, I'll keep in touch

with you. And I would like to get the whole crew together. You, Dave, Jamie and Jenny, and anybody else you guys think would be fun to have out and stuff and just kind of all go out there and enjoy each other's company. I think we're really on the right track here. I mean,

I don't, you know, I really appreciate what you've done for the community and you sticking your neck out there to talk to people like me that open, talking about whatever it is I have experienced with an unbiased point of view. It's special. You're really helping the community out by

doing what you're doing. And I just, I can't tell you how much I appreciate it and how much it means for me to know you as a friend and to be able to share my experiences on your show, man. That means the world. So I just want to thank you in front of everybody. Oh, man. Thanks. Thanks for this kind of words, man. I really appreciate it. I'm just the kind of person that I don't think I'm the smartest person in the world. I enjoy mysteries and I don't really care what people think about me. So you put that all together and this is what you get. Yeah, that's exactly what you get. You get a nice little conversation between us talking about what, you know, talking about what we think is going on, but we really have no real, you know, no real answers.

I mean, we have theories and that's a good thing to have, but we don't have answers. But I feel like we're on the right page and we're on the right track. And I feel like we will have some answers in our lifetime, you know, because. we're going to go get those answers. We're not, you know, I'm not stopping, you know, and I'm learning things. And I was there when Jamie got those recordings on the IC recorder. My little eight-year-old daughter was asking questions to the forest, and the forest was answering it via this IC reporter.

It was the craziest thing, you know, and there was probably a half a dozen of us that were experiencing that happened. And it was just, it was mind-blowing to us all. And we're all curious about what. the heck was communicating with us because it was intelligent and it was intelligent enough to communicate with us in English. So is that IC recorder able to pick up the frequency that our thoughts are on? Was our, was that recorder replaying back to us our thoughts? Or was it replaying back to us something that the forest was telling us? You know what I'm saying? That's kind of where my mind's at with that because our thoughts are energy.

know, our thoughts are frequency. Our mind does create thoughts and it does create vibrations. So maybe that recorder is able to pick up people's thoughts. Maybe that's part of the mind reading technology or, you know, maybe this Sasquatch phenomenon is able to read our minds via the frequency or vibration that our thoughts create. That's kind of been a theory of mind that I'm glad that I finally just got out there right now. So, you know, I mean, what I always say is thoughts are energy. Keep it positive. Absolutely.

I couldn't agree more, man. That's really cool, man. I feel, I almost feel liberated by having this conversation with you because I've had a lot of things inside of me that I wanted to talk about and share with a lot of people. And I hope that this succeeded at that. And, you know, I'm on Facebook. If anybody wants to talk about things or just chop it up and talk about theories, like, just I'm open. I'm not. I'm never going to judge somebody for being open to what they're experiencing in the forest or in life in general, you know, because like I said, there's been things that have happened at my home where my daughter lost her glasses in the forest.

And six months later, they appeared in her book bag that was no one near the forest. I remember that story. I know. I have no idea. It's so weird, man. It is very weird. So, you know, I'm, I'm just as curious as everybody, probably more so than most. No, absolutely, man. Well, I'll tell you what, Scott. I think we're going to get rolling here. And I think that if you are open to it, maybe we can have you back on another time, maybe for a patron show, where we can kind of have the patrons call. and have some dialogue with you because I know you got a lot of opinions and thoughts and stuff. Yeah, I think it would be fun. That would be amazing.

Yeah, so. Yeah, that would be great. Yeah, let's do that. We'll work that out down the road and stuff. But, you know, I just wanted to say thanks so much for coming on the show, man. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me, man. It means a lot to me that people actually might want to hear what I have to say.

Because it just, it's so, it's changed. my life so much. So I just, you know, for the better. You know, for the better, it changed my life. So I just appreciate and I appreciate the time, man. And thank you so much. For sure, man. All right, man, you take care, okay? You too, buddy. Talk to you soon. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, there are three things you can do to help support the show. One, go to iTunes and leave a five-star rating and review. Two, go to patreon.com forward slash the confessions. That's patreon.com forward slash the confessionals and sign up to become a patron to help support the show.

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