The Confessionals - After Hours with Wes Germer, Woody Pratt and Tony Merkel

Episode Date: August 19, 2017

I had a chance to sit down with Wes and Woody from Sasquatch Chronicles to host a special "After Hours" show with them following the release of episode 31, "I Killed Bigfoot." We discussed their thoughts on the interview with Brian and how they think his story lines up with reality! Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel Tony's Instagram: tony_merkel Tony's Facebook: www.facebook.com/tbmerkel

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To find your local sleep number store, go to sleep number.com. Special financing subject to credit approval. Minimum monthly payments required. See store for details. All right, well, welcome to the After Hour show. I have some special guests on tonight that I actually have been looking forward to talking to on the confessions for a while. It just never really thought it would come underneath these circumstances. I have Wes Germer and his brother Woody on the night.

How are you guys doing? Doing well, doing well. Doing good, Tony. It's been a while since we've talked. It's good to hear your voice again. Oh, thank you, thank you. Woody, I hope you have the fruit snacks in hand. You've been listening.

Obviously. That's good. Yes. I actually binge watched the Renegades podcast today. Oh, nice. So we're here on the after-hour show, and we're talking about the episode that we just released today. I killed Bigfoot, and both you guys had the opportunity to listen to this show before we released it. And, you know, just, I guess we'll start off with just some general thoughts on what you guys heard.

Woody, let's start with you. Yeah, you know, I was actually really, I was really involved in the, in the interview that you did. I thought it was really honest, you know, it was kind of, I believe his name was Brian, I believe, it was his name. He was, he was super honest, kind of has that country boy vibe and is not afraid to pretty much just tell you how it is. And he said a lot of things that, to me, makes sense based on a hunter's perspective. of what actually happens out in the woods. And I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you this, Tony. I think, um, I think his story is pretty legit.

I really do. I was, there was a lot of things that he set off the fly that you can't make up. And, uh, I, I was pretty impressed. I was very impressed. There's a lot of things that, the questions that you had asked him, um, about the, you know, black, uh, the black, uh, saskatchez versus the red ones. and he was pretty much, he had a really good explanation on how the black ones were somewhat friendly. You saw their backside as, you know, they were trying to back out of the forest, whatnot,

and how much he actually hated the red ones. So, I mean, you know, he was definitely very involved. It was great. It was a great interview. Probably one of the better ones I've ever heard. Yeah, I thought it was fun to talk to him and stuff. And I just, for me personally, I know I can tend to be a, a gullible person. When I walked away from this interview, I really enjoyed what talking to the guy, and I walked away feeling like this guy legitimately did this. And I knew right there that this show was

going to be something that, you know, it was going to be a touchy subject. Wes, what did you think about the show? Well, first of all, I thought you did a great job with the interview. It's hard to, because you've got to be about three or four steps ahead to ask the right question. And then in the same breath, you've got to be listening to what someone's saying. And so you got a really good talent for that, Tony. I thought the guy was entertaining. I thought he was like the most entertaining guest I've ever. He's like, I don't give a goddamn, you know, I'm blown its head off.

I blew his damn head off. And he was very entertaining to listen to him. It's the type of guy you'd want to sit across table from, drink a beer, and, and I'm still laughing about some of this stuff. You know, Bob Garrett told me the same thing. And I, about the red ones versus the black ones. and I never really knew there was never any real explanation that you wouldn't think a red one would be more

any, it's just a different color of the same animal, but I've heard other people say that, that the Auburn color, the reddish Auburn is more aggressive. I heard that too before, and so that kind of caught my ear, and there's just a lot of little details that I picked up, and I've listened to the interview a lot now. I mean, I've listened to it every day this week and just trying to just really grasp what he was talking about. And there's just so many minor little details as I'm driving my truck that I pick up and I wish I could write down so I can remember.

But it's just he started talking about things during this interview that if you're not into the Bigfoot thing, you shouldn't know unless you actually have seen these things. one of the things that he was talking about was the power line cutouts and how he feels they kind of like follow those cutouts. And I just found that interesting because he had no idea that that's a common thought amongst the Bigfoot people. But yeah, as far as him actually shooting this thing, now one of the things that I saw online when I posted the promo video, some people were commenting 12 gauge with a question mark like really, a 12 gauge. I'm not a hunter. You said you're a hunter. Wes, I know you've mentioned about hunting. I've never been hunting before. So I don't know what takes down what. So you guys tell me with his ammo

and how he was talking about the details of hunting, how that could relate to the possibility of taking one of these things down. With the 12 year shotgun, pretty much anything within close range is dead, especially if you're using a heavy turkey load, anything, especially

when he said he was using a three and a half inch mag so um anything within a close instance is it's not going to survive and so he he was spot on with that uh and he even mentioned later in the interview tony when you were talking to him he i think he said he was like uh 150 yards 200 yards away from another time and he just he put a couple in the air and they turned around when they went the other way and and of course a 12-gate shotgun is not met especially with a turkey load in it is not meant to go that far it's more of a noise maker. So he was pretty much spot on with everything he said as far as his hunting skills, the way that he was tracking them in the forest. And he even, you know, he was spot on about

when he gets nervous and he started backing his way out. I mean, he had, he had the most, the most realistic hunter experience if you were put in that position. And I really think he was, he was spot on on everything. I hate to, you know, there's nothing that I can really pull out of this interview and say that he was, he was full of crap. There's just, I can't, you know, and, and, uh, and he gets, he gets further, you know, and there was a time when, um, when you started talking about the, uh, or he started talking about the black SUVs pulling up and the game warden and all this.

And then you came back to that later in the show. And, uh, I know I'm kind of jumping ahead, but you came back to that and you asked him further questions. And he didn't have time. He didn't have time to sit and think about that. And he immediately asked her to questions based on a hunter perspective. And I was really impressed. I think it's a real deal.

Yeah, Wes, as far as those agents go, now you've talked to people who say that they've seen these agents come on to the scene after something has happened, whether it's most of the time it's a sighting. And you heard him describe these agents come up on him. when you heard that, what did you think? Was there anything that stuck out to you as far as things that you've heard before, similarities or differences? Yeah, I think it sounds about spot on. I think he's spot on with what I've heard when they show up.

And so, yeah, I mean, everything he said was I've heard before in different situations, whether, you know, what happened down in Texas and even down in Texas, I've heard it beyond that. Going back to what he was saying, you know, he was. only what 15 yards away when he when he pulled the trigger yeah i could see that taking a face off i mean you're going to do some damage uh that with the 12 gauge yeah when he says he busted him he really busted yeah at 15 20 yards yeah nothing surviving i'm sorry no because it doesn't have time to kind of spread out at that point so i could see him blowing a half the face off that thing um i wanted to ask you tony what who called the game ward that i don't know i don't know i don't know and i don't know and i

think he knows either. He said that the timeline is this. He kills it. He backs out. He gets his friends, shows them the body. The body was moved about 300 feet away. They leave. He invited, I think he had BFRO come out the next day. They wouldn't go in to see the body. He said it was there, but they wouldn't go look at it. They left. And then the next day, the agents show up. And so I didn't really think about this during the interview because like you guys said earlier, I mean, you're already trying to think two steps ahead during an interview. And so you're listening to person, but also trying to write down your questions and things like that. But to me, after listening to the show several times, I wonder if he was hinting that he feels that the BFRO called.

Now, I don't want to suggest that, you know, as a definite, I don't want people thinking that that's what I'm saying. But because he did say during the interview that he doesn't know who took the body. He said, he said my friends could have taken it. The BFR could beFR could have taken it. And then kind of in the same kind of breath, he suggested that somebody called. You know the guys at the siege of Hanabi or Honabi? Yeah.

Honabi. I re-pronounce it. they actually they kind of have the same story they called the BFRO everyone knows a story and the BFRO came out and it was after they had shot one

or actually I think they came out during the time that they shot one and then shortly after that the game warden sitting on these people's property on these brothers property I think even went beyond that he used to see blacked out SUV sitting on his property and so

yeah I mean I hate to say the BFRO called, but that just seems weird that all of a sudden the game warden shows up, you know, and it's interesting too what the game warden had to say to him. It really wasn't, I don't think he spoke to a game warden between you and I, but it was interesting what the guy said.

You know, it's almost he acknowledged the whole thing. Don't do it again. Yeah, and I mean, I did kind of ask him about that because he said that they told him that you can't kill these things because they're endangered speech.

Like they, that's what he said they told him, that they're endangered species and you will go to federal prison for killing these things. And I asked him, I said, well, how can they kill, or how can they put you in jail for killing something that's not supposed to exist? And that's one thing that I've brought up before in something, probably one of my videos, that, you know, the whole idea that I feel is, you know, if you killed one, I don't understand why they would be upset because they're not supposed to exist anyways. If they're not coming out and admitting, that they're in existence, then how can they either have any grounds to come at you with killing one? It would be them admitting that they knew they were there. And so I kind of asked them about that and stuff. And he just said that, I guess from what I gathered, it seemed like he was saying internally that they're endangered species inside the house, everybody admits to each other, yes, they're there, they're endangered, there's not a lot of them or whatever, but externally to the world, they say, nope, not there. And, you know, there's so many different reasons why that could be,

you know, like, just for the idea, if they were endangered and they don't want people going around killing them off for poaching reasons, I don't know. But I did find that interesting. And with those agents popping up on the property, and just the way he described it and stuff, I mean, and Woody, you were right. I mean, when I came back and stuff, he didn't hesitate. He just, he rattled off these details. And, and he also, See, I don't know if I'm not a detective or anything, but when I listen to somebody talking, like he corrected himself a couple times throughout this interview. You know, when he was, when I asked him how many people showed up, he initially said three.

And they said, nope, I take that back four. And so things like that, for me personally, I'm listening to him like, it kind of lends authenticity because he's, he has the details in his mind and he corrects himself because he knew he was wrong. Does that make sense? No, that makes absolutely absolute sense. And I actually thought the same thing too. Because when you were talking to me, he's like, okay, three vehicles and four, before there was four vehicles or blackout SDVs.

And so he did correct himself in a good manner. And what I really thought, so let me back up a little bit. So Tony, I'm going to go against what you're saying a little bit. I think about what you said a little bit earlier. I think that if you, in West two, I think if he actually thought that the BFRO had, let's say, turned him in or however you want to say it, or turned in the big foot, and he actually thought that, this is the type of guy that would step up to the plate and say, hey, you know, they did that. I think that, I feel like that they did that. And I know where you guys are coming from because I got the same type of vibe and I was just making my own, my mental note thinking, okay, well, so it was a BFRO. But you know what? This is the type of guy that would say, hey, these guys busted me.

Or these guys, not busted, it would be the wrong word. These guys are the ones that called in, the Bigfoot that I put down, and they're responsible. But he never said that. And I think this is the type of guy that would have said that. So, you know, he went on to say, hey, it was my buddies that could have done it. It was possible that, you know, the BFR. He went through everybody that he had told or had been part of this situation. So I don't really think he knows.

And I don't think he really knows who did it. but the thing is about the interview that really kind of stuck to me was, and I hate to go backwards on mine and Wes's encounter too as well, but it was the same type of thing. Hey, you know, a day later, the military showed up, there was helicopters, there was, it seemed to be like a federal agent's or some sort of people there. And we were actually followed, we were followed off and ran out off the property. So I know, so everything that he had said is some of the things that Wes and I also. have been through. And so it really stuck to me. I was like, okay, well, this guy, he's pretty much telling me the same story that kind of happened to myself at some point. It was very close.

And I just don't, you know, I really bought into his story and I think it was probably one of the best interviews I've ever heard. And I don't think he was lying at all. And Tony, some of the things he had said when you come back and you reintegrated the same question, only turned around twisted a little bit. He had almost a better answer the second time around than he did the first time around. So it was great. Brian's a great guy. He's the type of guy that I, you know, I hope you got his contact info. I know you did. And if he ever needs somebody to come out and be a so-called investigator or researcher, hey, I'm down, West Underbolt down. And I know you will be as well. So I think it would be a great trip for all of us if he's okay with that, you know? Yeah, I mean, side note,

If you guys are willing to travel to Ohio, I'm more than fine driving to Ohio. I'd be fine with that. But you bring up a good point about the whole researches and everything because, you know, before that, he said he didn't know who took the body. And he legitimately said, I don't know who took the body. It was just gone. And so, and when you related to the idea earlier in the show, right in the beginning, he talked, I forget how he stated it to start the conversation off. but he started talking about other reasons. Oh, that's what it was.

He said he wanted to keep the property private as far as address goes because of all the idiots out there referring to the so-called researchers. And so this is a guy who has reached out to, you know, certain amount of people. I know that for a fact because in private conversation, he mentioned some people that he reached out to. They didn't take him serious. They didn't give him time. the more he tried reaching out to them, they eventually would block him. And so I don't understand why that happened.

You know, there's two sides to every story and all that stuff. So I'm not going to make assumptions on anything. But you're right. This is the kind of guy that if he thinks something, he's going to say, because that's just how he handled the entire interview. Yeah, I guess I can say this because I'm a listener and not the host. And Tony, I don't want you to answer this question, but I want to ask Woody. No.

Just kidding. Did you get the feeling like he maybe fabricated the part where it was coming after him? This guy has such a hatred for him. And I don't want to, I'm not saying he's a liar. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that portion almost makes me wonder if he almost came up with that to as a story to the game warden to people. And I don't blame him for doing that. But did you get that impression or did you get a feeling like he was.

straightforward and it was he honestly felt i don't think this guy fears anything or anyone i don't and i don't and that's that's the whole reason why i'm asking the question because um this guy and you know king kong walk into a alley there's only one coming out ain't the monkey i really think this guy has no qualms about you know um as i listened to the story but what do you think about that so here so here's my take on it i think the guy would pretty much bust or blow anybody's head off that it crosses. I don't know if that should be a funny note or not, but I laughed. So here's the deal.

So here's the deal with Brian. And this is the take that I got out of it was when he was explaining, when he was, okay, he's a true hunter. Well, we all agree on that. I mean, the guy he has, he hands down is probably a master hunter. He's spent a lot of time out in the, in the bush or the woods, whatever you want to call it in the timber. And I really think he has. So he's describing one of the first times he had seen Bigfoot, and he's all camoed out.

He's sitting in the chair, or not in the chair. He's up against a tree and there's all camels and stuff. And so this guy has been around, he's been around a little bit. He knows to hunt. He's saying, hey, you've got to use scent blocker. You got to do this. These are the steps that you've got to do in order to get, what do you call it, the big gobble. The gobbler.

The gobbler. The big gobbler. Yeah. And so, you know, he definitely, he definitely knows what he's talking about. Well, here's, here's the part where it kind of got a little bit sideways for me to where I felt like he might be, he may be talking. Okay. So you all know what CYA is. Cover your, cover your CYA. So I think that's pretty much what he was doing. I think he might have been startled by the creature. Maybe it did get too close. I'm not sure. He made it sound like it was, it was having a, an aggressive stance.

Is that kind of, is that, is that where you're going? Is that what you're going about? And that's what I was wondering about. But, you know, he did shoot. I honestly believe this guy. And if he hit it at 15 yards, that's pretty damn close. It's closer than, it's closer. It's too close for me.

Yeah. And so maybe he's right. Maybe it did, you know, start to do a mock charge toward, towards them. I don't know why I brought that up. I was just thinking at the time. I almost wonder if he would change that part of it because the game warrants and the, you Everyone's coming up. And so it's, you know, you can kill a spotted owl if it's attacking you.

Right. Or a bald eagle. If you're being attacked by a Waldeagle, and if you have a decent story and you can justify it and show exactly what happened, you know, and he even brought up the bald eagle thing. So, you know, I don't know. I mean, that's that it's not really a major point. It's not, it's not going to make or break the story for me, really. No. It's kind of one of those things where you might say something to stay out of prison.

I don't know. bit that could have been that could have been a little bit fabricated because i tell okay and and this is why let me finish hold on because i know you're going to say some so let me finish it so if i see a big foot or a saskatch and i would never let it get 15 or 20 years from before i before i blowed his damn head off as far as he puts it right so it's it's going to happen before that point um and and he said you know he said it actually came up squared up uh had had an aggressive stance very well could be i I mean, variable could be. I guess maybe I take back my comment because he did hit it at 15 yards, and that's pretty damn close.

That's a hell of a lot closer than I would have it. Yeah. And so maybe it did charge him, but I didn't mean to cut you off, Tony. Woody and I are just taking over. No. Hey, welcome to the show. Thanks for being here tonight. Thanks, Tony.

How are you doing tonight? We're combining three shows tonight. Renegades, confessionals, the Sasquatch Chronicles. All equal hosts. Right. No, but I understand what you guys are saying. And if I'm hearing you right, it almost sounds like, like possibly if you want to go down this narrated path of what could have happened, maybe he doesn't like these things. Clearly, he doesn't like these things.

So whatever that reason is, he hates these things, not even dislikes. He hates these things. He even said that. And you're right. And so maybe, you know, I'm just playing along with your story. I'm going to back up what I think after this. You know, you can say that, you know, if he hates these things, he sees it going through the woods and he blows it away and he's almost like proud of it. He's like, I'm glad I did that. You know,

I've been wanting to, you know, take it out. And then, you know, when the agents show up, he, you know, starts changing his story because they're like, dude, you're going to jail. And he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I was defending myself. And as a hunter, you would understand maybe that there's certain things you can say to kind of get out of killing something you shouldn't be killed. However, I would say that to back up his story and to kind of do the opposite here, there's two things actually. One, before he told us his third encounter, which is when he killed it, the second encounter was he had a gun in his hands. He lit one up with his flashlight at night and he didn't shoot it. He didn't kill it. He didn't fire at it.

That's true. That's true. I got a counter to that when you're done, but go ahead. Go ahead. So in my mind, I'm like, he has a gun on it and he doesn't shoot it. He lets it go. And on top of it, I would say that if he is what he describes he is in the situation, and from what I, now, I don't know because like I said, I don't hunt. But to me, it sounded like he was sitting down low, almost like against a tree,

covered up in leaves, disguised. He even talked about dissent. Like he disguised his scent. Like he, he sounds like the kind of guy that goes all out when he's hunting. And he was hunting this gobbler for years. And so what? That part was monster.

Monster gobler shaking the tree. So he wants to get this thing bad. And he's out there for one specific gobbler. And so he's all decked out in camo, whatever that is. And he even said in the interview, I looked like I was a walking tree. And so when he sees this thing, he moves. And when he moves, this thing sees him. And so at that point, because he said, I told it to get, get out of here. And it came towards him. Now, I'm just saying if he's totally decked out in camo and he is as disguised as he says he is and his scent isn't even of a human, does this thing come over to it almost out of curiosity? And then the closer it gets, the more aggressive it gets because maybe it's not sure what it's looking at or it does know what it's looking at. And if you feel threatened.

Yeah. I can go with that. Yeah. And he seems like the type of guy, too, that would just say, hey, I blew its head off. And, you know, I don't know why I asked that question earlier. I'd like to strike that question from the record, Your Honor. It's already been typed up. Tony, I think, I mean, interrupt you. I think you have a really good point.

And I didn't even think of that point, actually. and very well could be that Bigfoot is thinking this is a it could be a possible another predator something equal or less or more you know that could be a problem and then I might have to you know have to take a stance with and be defensive with I didn't really think of that part but the part that stood out with me was when you even even you said he said he saw one was it a black one in the field and that could be I just saw that was it a black one in the field he didn't he didn't blast I can't remember. I don't know if he said.

So I think he basically he saw one decide not to take a shot. Well, here's my deal. When you asked him later on the show, you said, you said, Brian, would you be willing to have people come out and investigate this and do something? And his first response was, as long as I have my deer tags filled. So if it's hunting season, if it's deer season, and he's trying to fill those tags, well,

he's going to blow the damn head off, right? So I think at that point, if it wasn't deer season, it wasn't something like that, maybe he won't take the shot. You know, and it could have been, it was, it's kind of funny that he took the shot based on, you know, he was actually turkey hunting at the time. So that doesn't fit. But, you know, he was upset about running all the deer off. He had made several comments throughout the show about, you know, and the dog food disappearing. The deer on the trail cams would disappear when it was during hunting season. And, you know, based on that, you know, you.

You know, it might be one of those things where it's like, hey, man, you're taking my food away. I'm going to take you out type of thing. This is where I'm going with it. So, you know, and his story could, and I don't know, you know, his story could have been like, you know, it took a aggressive stance. It took a charge at me. You know, was it during deer season? Was it during turkey season? It was actually during turkey season.

But if something is taking your food, humans have the ability to, you know, be like, hey, you're done. You're taking my food away. I'm going to take you out. So, I don't know. With that being said, I think. you kind of get the, you get the jester ring on with that, I guess. Yeah, absolutely. That was a lot of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Blah. I saw these comments sometimes online this week with people sharing, you know, just little snide comments and, you know, I don't say anything. I just let people say what they want to say. But the whole idea of a 12 gauge taking one of these things down, in my mind, I didn't really, like I said, I don't really know exactly the power or whatever. but what kind of got me was the idea that he knew a single shot 12 gauge wasn't what he needed later later in the show he mentioned that he had a I think he said he had a single shot

when he heard the howls go off or something like that I can't remember exactly and he was like I'm out of there because I can't take these things on with just with the kind of ammo I was packing. And so the idea of what he had in hand, and he referenced to the idea that whatever he was hunting with for the turkey may not have been totally legal because after the feds came out, he's like, now I do everything by the books. And he's like, yeah, it sucks. Well, he had, so he was running with five shells in his gun. He had made that comment earlier in the day. So, or earlier in the interview. So he had five shells in his gun. You're only, legally able to hunt with three shells and a 12-gate shotgun.

So he was already, he's breaking the rules by doing that. But you know what? There's a lot hunters out there to do that. Yeah, take the choke out. Yeah, they take the choke out and they run out for five or whatever, however, whatever your barrel will have. Sometimes, sometimes there are more than five. Yeah.

But legally, you're only able to hunt with three. So when he was talking later in the show about being out there, he was saying, in fact, they were up in the, I think what he was saying is they were up in the hills and here he heard the roar of one and they heard the roar of two and then the next thing now you know there might have been a third one or I get where he was going with it and with a single when you have a single shot 12-gauge shotgun you can only load one shell you know put it back together and blow it off do it all over again so if you have you know if you have multiple things happening it's not it's not a very comfortable situation

so that's why he backed out of there why he was out of when he has a semi-a-a-hout, which I don't get either, while he was out there with a single shot, a 12-gay shotgun, when he made the comment earlier, when he was out there with a semi-auto, 12-A-shotgun with no choking it with five rounds, I don't know. I don't know, that's neither here nor there,

but if I had the choice, a shotgun that holds one shell, or five shells, I'm taking one of those five shells. So anyways. Yeah. Yeah. I thought, I guess to answer your question, Tony, Not that a watermelon is really comparable,

but a watermelon at 15 yards and the 12 gauge, there's not going to be anything left of that watermelon. Jungle Deuce. I mean, be nothing left. And I realize that's not completely a great comparison between someone's head. But to give you an idea, there wouldn't be much left. Like what he says, you probably have juice and that's about it.

Here I'll play a little clip of the audio that he recorded. What did he use to record that with? Yeah, I think it was his phone because he sent to me over Facebook and it came in video format. So I had to download the video, transfer it to audio. So I'm assuming it was with his phone. That's a pretty good recording. Yeah, well, it sounded close. It sounded close.

The second one, the long howl, to me, that sounded real close because he actually, if you listen to the audio, it cuts in before or after the howl already started. and it carries for about 15 seconds after that until it ends, and then you hear him cut the phone out. Now, when he's out there recording this audio, he said that he was rolling. He wasn't going to turn around because he didn't have a gun on him at that time. And so I think there's context to be taken here when it comes to the idea that of when he has a gun out there and what he's carrying,

because, like, you know, all things, points to the idea that he hates these things and he doesn't want anything to do with him. He's not researching them. Well, you know, I think maybe he's starting to a little bit because he does talk about how he now wants to get proof so that people stop thinking he's crazy. And that's why he took the audio and he referenced it took like a year to get that audio. And now he wants to get video of it. But, no, to answer your question, that is a long way. I think it was with his phone. I think it was with his phone. You sound like me now

You sound like Woody tonight We're drinking some water Yeah No I You guys start talking and I'm like What was the question? I don't remember what the question It's like a politician

You know like when you ask Hillary Clinton Or Donald Trump or any of the Ask a politician a question And you're like Stop it You forgot what you I'm just giving you crap Yeah no it's

I Yeah it's probably one And I don't think this will be his last time shooting one. So here's the thing, going back to the recording. Okay. So this is what I got out of the recording. First of all, it was probably one of the better recordings they've ever heard

because you not only hear one, you hear multiple, which is really cool. And number two, in the background, you can actually, he's already telling you what, this is what it is. This is what I hear every night. These are the red, these are the red furry things that, you know, that, you know, that, screw up my hunting, screw up everything. This is what I hear every night. And you can hear it in his voice. He's definitely pissed off at these things for pissing him off, right? So the thing I got about it out of the recording, and here I'm being long-winning it again. But if you listen to it, you can hear

the crickets. You can hear the natural sounds of being outdoors on a quiet property. You hear all those natural sounds. And if you listen to it really close, you hear the crickets in the background. you hear maybe a little bit of wind and stuff like that. So to me, that really emphasized on how true the recording probably is. And it's one of the better ones I've heard. That lung capacity that that thing was packing was some serious lung capacity too. I mean, to carry that power behind it for so long, I don't know. That's some serious size.

And I asked him, because the first clip I played was the three different howls going off at one time, he sent that to me maybe a week or a week and a half, two weeks before we did the interview. And I told him, I said, well, from whatever I heard before as far as, you know, Bigfoot Howls, especially the Ohio, how, you know, it sounds very similar. And I'd said, however, there's going to be a lot of people that, if they hear that, they're going to say, they're going to want to write it off as cows. And I just told them that because, you know, that's just fact. People are going to, you know, people who just want to dismiss everything and don't really want to admit something is true. They want to find the first reasonable explanation and cows would be that. And so I talked to him about that and he told me, he said, there's no cows around here.

He's like, there's no cows around here. And so that said, I think that kind of eliminates the idea that it could be cows on its property. Yeah, that didn't sound like cows to me. It didn't me either. It was too long. I've never heard a cow hold something like that long and that loud. without much diaphragm. Yeah, I really haven't.

Yeah, and when you listen to those two recordings, you can hear the similarities between the two. I mean, obviously, the first one has three, the second one has one, but the sounds that you're hearing are very similar. And when you listen to those compared to the Ohio, how, I mean, it sounds like the same creature to me. What do you guys think?

I don't know, man. I think you ought to be damn careful out there, especially after picking one off. As far as the sounds go, yeah, it does sound a lot like the Ohio sound, the audio that was captured. Actually, here's a clip. Here's the Ohio Hal. Okay. Now we're back. And we're back.

And take three. Check. Take 10. Yeah, take 10. Yeah, but everyone's heard the Ohio Howl. But there is a lot of similarities between the two. I just hope he's careful. I've never had, I haven't had too many situations of people shooting them, but the ones that have said they did kill one, that makes sense.

It's kind of sound like you two. Anyway, the, the, so what do you think? It never turns out well. Do you think you, do you really buy the, he shot one? Yeah, I do. I do. What do you think, Tony? Yeah, so do I.

I'm not taking all to hear about what do you think. Yeah. No, it's fine. I mean, this is a mutual conversation. No, I absolutely to believe him. And I'm my own worst critic. So when I tell you, I know I'm gullible, I really do know I'm gullible. And so that's why it's important to me to get second and third opinions.

And that's why I let you guys listen to the show before I even aired it. Uh-huh. But, no, I definitely do believe. I definitely do believe them. And like how we're discussing, just the details that went into it. And the, you know, it's like the interview was like an organized chaos in a sense where it was like sporadic. Like we were going back and forth, back and forth. and you could hear his thought processes going for one topic to another.

And then when we rewind, he would pick up where he left off and finish his details or remember details and correct himself. And to me, now, like I said, I'm just a stupid truck driver. I turn a wheel and push pedals for a living. That's what I do, you know? Well, you're probably the smartest guy in the room currently. I mean, when I hear him do that kind of. thing. For me, it lent it authenticity. And this is information that if you kind of put all together, at least on my end, it helps too. So earlier this year, I received some audio from a researcher

who has a Bigfoot group in South Ohio. I'm blanking on the name of the group. It's called a southeastern Ohio Bigfoot Society or I forget, something like that. But it's run by a guy named Doug Waller. And I met Doug Waller at a speaking engagement that I did earlier this year. And we were talking and he said, and actually he played an audio during his lecture. And that lecture, he's playing this audio and it sounded like the Ohio how. And I was really impressed by it because it was so clear. And so I got to talk to him about it. And he sent me the audio because he wanted it transferred into video format so he could post it online and things like that. Well, long story short, I get permission to post the audio on my YouTube channel.

And so I share it with a lot of people and people really enjoyed the audio because it's very clear. And it sounded like what Brian sent me. It sounded like Ohio, How, and this audio was recorded in Salt Fork State Park in Ohio. And so you have this guy who, his name is Mike, by the way, that sent Doug this audio earlier this year in April. You got Brian sending me audio that sounds very similar from South Ohio in the same year. And then I have another guy that sent me audio. And he still, actually, he sent me two more emails today that I haven't even had a chance to open up. He sent me more audio today of these howls that he's getting in Southern Ohio.

And so in one year, I've had three different people come to me with their own audio of these house in Ohio. And so when I have Brian coming to me and saying, here, I have these house too, and I put one down a few years ago. For me, it's like, okay, this guy's really seeing these things. He's really hearing these things. So why would I not believe that he put one down when he's telling this story and it's very convincing? I don't know why are you yelling. I mean, we're just, we're trying to, you know, to be an asshole, we're just having a conversation here. I get passionate sometimes. I'm sorry.

No, I, um, what was the question? Do I believe them? Oh, yeah, no, I, absolutely, absolutely. Is that easy that was? Yeah. Man of short words. No, Antonio, I get what you're saying. And you have other people backing up, you know, the same type of things that Brian's having.

They're having reports of the Halley Newford. And you're saying that you probably possibly have other stuff in your email based on, you know, what Brian sent you that could match somewhat of the same sound type of description. I get it, man. I get it. And I think, I think Brian is spot on on a lot of things. And even like, you know, when he even talked about, and I know I'm kind of backpedaling, and might be repeating a little bit,

but when he talked about, you know, the people that showed up, or the gentlemen that showed up in the black SUVs with the badge around the neck and on a necklace and stuff like that, you know, everything that he had said makes sense. And then when he, he even, you know, you talked to him a little bit later about that,

and he brought it up again, he says, oh, okay, well, this is actually what they said, almost verbatim. He doesn't have time. I don't care how smart you are. This guy had a sense. story. He might not have had the whole story based on the first question, but the second question come around, it matched, and you don't have time to make stuff like that up. So, it was a great

encounter. The guy had a great encounter. I thought it was interesting. He was talking about how their apes. He never said people. He never said, he said a gorilla, didn't he, Tony? During the after when you asked him, he did. Yeah, he described it as some kind of American gorilla, you know, Yeah, I thought that was interesting how he doesn't see them as people. And it's funny when you're talking to him about the woo. I was like, you got to know your audience. This isn't the man you start asking woo questions too. He's like, what?

What's the woo? Yeah, but it was, you know, and he said he'd never experienced anything paranormal. No, that doesn't mean it doesn't go on. I'm just saying in this guy's case, it didn't go on. And he shot it. My mom was running there because the reason why I asked him that was because at that point in the interview, I'm sold. I believe that he saw what he saw. And I wanted to ask him that because there's so many people out there to say that they see these things disappear. And I wanted to see if he saw anything that could resemble such an idea. And he actually did confirm that. He did say that these things move so fast and in such a way that he could see how people would think that they would disappear. Now, I'm not saying that people who say they've seen that. They've seen them disappear or anything like that or lying or, you know, misidentifying what's really going on.

They very well might have seen what they saw. But I'm just saying from his perspective, you know, he actually did confirm that, you know, he could see why people would think that. Yeah, actually, part of his answer was when you asked him that, he said based, he didn't really say the word environment, but based on the word environment and where they're at, in the woods, he said they have the ability to move very fast. And I could see but almost work forward. He said, I can see how people would say that they could disappear. Now, do I believe that they are, and you brought up the, I don't know if it was a spiritual

thing or what you said, but he said, no, I don't think so. They're a flesh and blood creature, but they have the ability to move faster than anything we've ever seen. And it makes sense, you know, makes sense. Yeah. You know, and another thing, I think I told, I think I told you this, Wes, you know, this guy, he's not a storyteller. And people who,

and this is not anything against him. But, you know, after you interview a lot of people, you kind of get a rhythm. And you can tell people, they've been sitting on a story for a long time. They've been wanting to tell their story. And when they have the opportunity, they really do tell their story.

They want to get the details out. They really want to share what they experienced and describe it in a way that other people really truly walk away, understanding where they came from. And he is just not like that. He's just like, like I said earlier, he's very matter of fact about things. And that's why I think he got into the nitty-gritty details so early in the show. I mean, ideally, if as the interviewer, ideally, you'd like a little bit of a build-up, you know, leading to the point where I blew its head off. But I mean, I think, I mean,

really, I mean, all the details, all the details came out after he kind of exposed that. that. We're like five minutes in the interview and he's like, I killed it. And that was my third encounter. I was busting up at that part where he goes, I blew, what do he say? He goes, I blew its face off. I blowed his damn face off. Yeah, something like that. And then there's like a 10 second pause. And he goes, and that was my third encounter. Yeah. I was just like, I lost it right there, man. I mean, I realize it's a serious show and stuff. But he is, you're right. He's not, I believe him. I, I I truly do believe him. And I just hope that he's careful out there on that property.

These things tend to be vengeful and have revenge in their heart. I've talked to too many people that have had them on their property and something like this happens. And things get really, really bad. He thought they were bad before. Well, now it gets 100 times worse. I would have loved to have seen. I wish you would have taken pictures of the body. I know some of the questions on the Sasquatch Chronicles.

website they were you know they were saying well why no pictures it this guy's a country boy man yeah i mean and that's it that's exactly you can explain everything i don't i don't see him breaking out of camera and you know he was very i didn't have one on him even if he did i don't know that he would he probably didn't have a cell phone on him yeah i mean he's that if you're out there and he's talking about hunting the way that he did he ain't got no yeah got a damn cell phone right and here's the thing about here's the thing about brian too is he didn't over tell the story. Brian just came out and said, hey, this thing pissed me off. It was in front of me. I blowed his damn head off. And then he went in further with the interview and talking about, hey, there's

more out there. I've had more, I've had more encounters. But the guys are real, man, right? Yeah. And Wes, you mentioned about how these things can, you know, want to retaliate. And, you know, he shot this thing back in 2013. So that's four years ago, right? Yeah, four years ago. And, you know, I wonder if that kind of led to his attitude during the show because in four years, no doubt he's had these encounters with them. He's heard them. And, you know, like that one, the second recording, I mean, for me, it sounded pretty darn close to where he was.

And so I wonder if these things have been showing and vamping up their aggression towards him. And maybe that's why he just comes across so much more hateful four years later towards this thing. Like, the way he was talking, it sounded like he killed this thing yesterday. Like, he was just so mad at him. And I wonder if maybe it's just wearing him down. It could be.

It could be it's hard to say. I think it's based on hunting. He had made the comment in the interview about how he goes out there and plants beans and he plants turnips and he plants all this stuff. And he doesn't even tend to the garden. It's for the deer, you know, so he can hunt. And I think what it is is these things are messing up his population of deer. And that's why he's so pissed off. that's my opinion.

Yeah, that makes sense. You know, I want to ask you both of this. And I don't really know how to ask this question other than just present the idea out there. A lot of people say that these things, you can't kill them. A gun's not going to kill them. I've heard so many people on interviews say, yeah, you're not going to shoot this thing and it's not going to go down. So, you know, the vibe I'm sure people are getting right now is, well, you can't shoot these things and kill them. Now, when he says that he shot it in the face,

how would that be any different for these people to maybe kind of grasp? Because I don't even know how to present this idea. I mean, I guess what I'm saying is, I guess a lot of people feel like these things are almost invincible. Like they can't be taken down by a gun. You'd need like an elephant gun or a bazooka to take it down. But by shooting in the face, is there any vulnerabilities that could present the situation? for it to go down.

Oh, yeah. I mean, a headshot? Yeah. I mean, you know, a lot of times with the girth of them, I think, you know, you shoot something off to the, well, I don't even know, man, that close? It seems like he'd blow a hole just about into anything. How does that answer your question? Yeah.

I mean, I wanted to, I just wanted to bring that up because when I was thinking about it all, you know, that was one of the questions that I knew was going to pop up in people. those heads, just the idea of killing a big foot. A lot of people walk around saying these things, you can't take these things down with any kind of normal gun. But when you're 15 yards away and you shoot it in the face, I mean, there's vulnerabilities in my mind on the face that, you know, like I can understand if somebody wants to say, I shot it in its chest and it just didn't do much. But, I mean, you got eyeballs in the face. And you penetrate the eyeball. It goes right in the brain, you know? I think with these things, I think if you, that,

that he shot where he, like what he said, the guy's a hunter. He knows what he's doing. He shot it in the face. And I think a lot of times when you hear about the girth, the size of Sasquatch, that's why it seems like they're invincible at times because I've talked to people who claim to have shot them. The problem is we don't have evidence of that. That's the biggest problem is it's mainly just stories. But every encounter, you know, like the one in Virginia or the two Sasquatches, there was one in a tree.

And it huffed at him and then he shot it. It fell and there's blood. I mean, I've even had witnesses on the show that have claimed to have shot them. Definitely hurt them. There was blood. But I don't think that they're invincible. Well, I'll tell you my thought on it real quick. So basically this guy is already, he's already convinced me that he's a master hunter.

I mean, based on some of the stuff he said, based on where he lives, the property that lives on, a lot of things he had said. So based on that, If people have seen a big foot, by no means if you have a gun, you're not going to... Okay, look. So he had talked about the big foot being nine feet tall, five feet wide, right? So something that size at 100 yards and you shoot it, you're probably not... I mean, unless you have a big war rifle, even if you have a 3-odd-6, or you have a 7-m. or you have a you have anything else you know you you're going to hit it you probably you probably

won't take it down so that's where the i think that's where the people get a little bit sideways because they feel like it's invincible well this guy waited until it was 15 yards and decided how do you say it uh pulled the trigger or bust him and pulled the trigger so he's smart he waited till the the animal of that size became into reach of the weapon that he had add and decide to bust it. So that almost kind of like verifies his story because you're not going to take a shot at a

Sasquatch or Bigfoot at 75 yards, not even really 50 yards with a shotgun like that and expect to blow its face off. So he waited until it was in range until he felt, you know, he was uncomfortable until he felt comfortable

to take the shot. And that's, I think that's what happened is because this guy's been around a little bit. That's a really good point. That's really good points, actually. The fact that he would wait until it's within range of what he had, showing that he knew what he was doing. It was an awesome interview, and the guy's awesome. He's probably one of the more entertaining guests I've heard.

I definitely enjoyed listening to him. And you did a great job with it, Tony. You should be proud of it, ma'am. I appreciate that. I was hoping I didn't botch it, but when I got a chance to go back and listen to the interview, because I knew during the interview it was kind of jumping all over to place, and ideally that's not what I wanted. But when I got a chance to go back and listen to it, it actually flows well that way because that's just how he is as a person. He kind of bounces around with what he's talking about wherever his mind goes.

And it just worked out great, I think. And I hope everybody enjoys it as much as we did. So I really appreciate you guys going on. Yeah, and don't send Tony hate mail because of it. Save your breath. It was definitely one of the better interviews I've heard and real realistic. And I pretty much believe everything Brian had to say except for the part of charging him. I don't know about all that.

But anyways. Yeah, no, I thought it was awesome. I thought he was awesome. And yeah, great job. Cheers, fellas. Cheers. See you guys later.