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Episode Date: May 4, 2024

This was an episode of  @Myfamilythinksimcrazy where I joined Mark to talk about many things from projects I've worked on, to the crazy journey of my life, and much much more! It was a great conversation and I'm happy to share it with you all!Sasquatch and the Missing ManWatch the Live Premiere on REPLAY here: https://www.moment.co/sasquatchTeaser Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3b4tTY9bss

Hey guys, this is a little bit of a different Friday. We're giving you an episode you never heard of before. We have Mark Steves, only I'm the guest on his show. My family thinks I'm crazy. I had a great time with Mark. I wanted to kind of share this recording with you guys because I thought it went really well and I asked him if I could share with you. And he said yes, so here we are.

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Hope to see you there. Now let's get to this awesome show with Mark Steves for my family thinks I'm crazy. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, here we are back again on the. the My Family Thinks some crazy podcasts with a friend of the show, someone who's been on the show before, you know him and love them as the host of, in my opinion,

the number one paranormal podcast, The Confessionals. And very recently, or maybe not announced yet, but there is a new project in the works. We're going to be talking a little bit about his formerly released documentary, The Shape of Shadows,

which covers, Skinwalker Ranch and Tony's really brilliant coverage of that whole story, the phenomena, and the investigation that ensued when you guys went and visited that you went to Basin. But Tony, welcome back to the show. It's a pleasure to have you here, brother. You've been working on a lot of stuff. You got a great team assembled around you. How has everything been going in this, what seems to be a chaotic start to 2024?

for. The chaotic is in the world or my personal life, both. No, things are good, man. I'm glad to be here. I'm glad you brought me back on. And the number one paranormal podcasts, I like the way that sounds. I'm not going to argue with it.

I'm moving away from the whole self-deprecation thing that I've sat on for so many years. People will always say, you got to stop doing that. You keep talking down about yourself. And I think it was an insecurity thing for years. I've kind of moved into a position where now I'm like, you know what, I've worked really hard to get where I'm at. And so I just, I try to just be proud of what we built because it's, it's, I don't know when the transition happened, but I quit driving truck with the idea that I was going to be a full-time podcaster.

And that lasted like two months. And I wound up going and hunting a dogman in Kentucky and making a documentary. And all of a sudden, the film division was born. And all of a sudden, Merkel Media took. legs that never was envisioned. And now it's like more of a film company than it is podcast. Like I, I spend way more time doing CEO bull crap and dealing with film stuff that I even think about podcasting have the time. And it drives me nuts because all I want to do is sit and talk to people that I like and hunt monsters. And I got to do all this business bull crap that I'm hoping I can outgrow one day. One day I get to the point where I hire somebody to be CEO and I can just get back to doing what I enjoy doing because this is not fun. Yeah, you need to get yourself a creative director's position within Merkel Media,

outsource that to a business BMA, you know, pro guy. But Tony, yeah, I don't say that lightly. And I think it's a part of growing up on the East Coast, a part of growing up blue collar. We have this big weight on our shoulders to be humble, to not oversell ourselves. But you've made it a great accomplishment and you brought your family out of what is very much an actual chaotic zone. You know, all, all, you know, colorful language aside, what's happening in Philadelphia is really distressing. And the podcast, the media company, helped you get your family into what is obviously a health. healthier place to raise a family. And that's an amazing feat. So the fact that the podcast and your hard work, your creativity got you there, don't undersell that at all. So many people are

inspired by that. And I think that's really the one of my favorite things to highlight with this show. Because so often we face this world that wants to tell us conform, conform, conform. And what you find more often than not is the folks that step outside of those pre-designed boxes are far more likely to be successful. It's hard work, but I think you earned it. So yeah, take your flowers, Tony. What do you think, though, when it comes to like 2024, I heard you saying recently on one of your more recent episodes of the confessionals that you're noticing things, becoming more spiritual people, the tone of their conversation, the tone of their questions to you, maybe even the types of people you're meeting with more often.

Do you think that something's in the air this year? Yeah, man. Like, it's, I don't, I can't really put my finger on exactly what it is, but it seems like I've been doing the paranormal conversation for. you know, closer to a decade than not, which is crazy to think about or seven years into the podcast. But it's like, when I first started this,

you know, the way people talked about certain topics was much different than what it is now. When I first started, when it came to cryptids, people, there was a lot more talk of, you know, Bigfoot being this creature out in the woods, not a lot of them can't find them because they're super elusive they don't want to be discovered

all this stuff and the more we've gone through the years and we have these experiences and people talking about certain things it seems like people the conversation has shifted to an understanding that

there might be more to this than now we don't all agree on the origins of these things and maybe, you know, what they are. But I think the general landscape of the conversation has shifted towards the idea of maybe we don't have it all figured out and maybe we don't understand it all. Where when I first came into this, it was just like, again,

going back to Bigfoot, it's like, it's just a really big, hairy creature, not a lot of them. And anybody who thinks anything different outside the physical category are just crazy people that shouldn't be listened to. And I was, I was, I started out in the Bigfoot category with that mindset, not that the people are crazy, but just that I thought it was a physical creature that just was out there. And the more my shift, my perspective started changing, the more I was shy about it because I was

like, man, I don't want to be viewed as this crazy guy, but I also don't want to be trapped in this hell of being something I'm not and pretending that I think certain things just for the comfortability of this audience and things like that. And it kind of goes along the lines of everything that I've kind of built on, which is, I'm just going to be me. I'm just going to do what I want to do. I'm going to say what I want to say. And if people like it, cool, if not, you can find me in a van down by the river. I'm good either one. So, and I passionately mean that. I mean, I say it jokingly, but I would rather be homeless and poor than be stuck having to sit in this chair, talk about things that I don't believe in and think just to retain an audience. And so yeah, I mean,

that's kind of like the way things that shifted over time. And you look at like Philadelphia, like you were talking about, like that area has changed so much in the last seven years. When I was driving trucks still, I remember driving down 276, which is the Turnpike. And I'm going by Philly. and it wasn't a visual vision, but it was like this emotional in my head vision. I just could picture. This was probably about going on 10 to 15 years ago now. I had this vision in my head of Philadelphia burning. Something dramatic happened. And I was like, I don't want to be here for that. And about 15 years ago, I was planning on like one day moving to East Tennessee. I really wanted to move to East Tennessee. And I started seeing the city changing. I was fortunate to get out of driving truck in the city

towards the beginning stages of this change in the city since I've left three years ago fentanyl or the thing they call it, I forget what they call it. It's a mixture between horse tranquilizer and fentanyl. What is it called? Trank. Trank. Like that became a huge thing in the city

and it's become a city of zombies. And so like with that, you start seeing the shift and the transition physically with your eyes, but you also start seeing the spiritual dimension shift as well. And you start seeing, you look at Philadelphia and you look at like, I think it's like San Francisco or L.A., probably both. But like the way people act in each of those cities is, in those cities, they act the same. But when you look at Philly versus San Francisco, there's visual differences on how they operate and how they're acting.

And I don't know if it's the difference of drugs, but or if it's, a difference of spiritual principality where maybe there is a, there, there is more of a demonic, um, uh, stronghold over these cities, a specific entity that has its stronghold over these cities. But, um, there's just a lot more talk about these kind of spiritual things moving forward. And, uh, I think maybe, maybe 2020 had something to do with it. You know, people waking up and realizing that, uh, reality as they saw it was a, um, a beautiful painting that was painted before their eyes. And when that painting was torn open and they saw what reality really was, it made people start thinking and talking about things differently. And I think ultimately,

I probably shifted into a spiritual conversation along the way. That was a really long way to take it. I agree. You bollied the ball back to me perfectly because I think one of the other points that, and I should get the exact title of the episode I was listening to so people can go and check that out. It was episode 635, summoning the demon. You had two really interesting guests on. I don't remember their names, but one of the gentlemen expressed his feelings about this time that we're in. And I think you just kind of summed it up well. You know, Philadelphia is a very important city in American history. It's a very important cultural gem in the crown of American cities. and, you know, whether you come to it from Christianity or any other view of religion, the fact is, is I think people are observing evil. You know, evil in however you want to define it, is expressing itself through our culture. And one of the things that was talked about in this documentary that I watched last night in the shape of shadows was

Bo Standing Rock and Johnny Gamow Chippee, right? These two really interesting men that you met out there in Utah. One of the things that he said was that, you know, this shapeshifter Skinwalker business has to do with medicine, bad medicine. And I couldn't help but parallel that. When he said that, I thought to myself, look at the world that we live in now, where people go to the hospital and they go there for painkill because they're injured and the next thing you know they're dependent on these painkillers and the next thing you know they're on the street looking for a harder dosers and the next thing you know they're a zombie with their foot literally amputated because they put something into their bloodstream that is not meant for human consumption at all it's a literal toxin it's a poison and this is what's going on all across the world not just on the east coast here where you and i are

from. And yeah, I just think that when innocence, when naive average, just general good, good well-meaning people see that kind of thing, it's bound to awaken them. And I hope that it awakens people in a direction that activates them to do something about it, to make the world a better place. but for so long there's been this, I don't know, system that's taught us to just go along to get along, you know, and I think your journey really exemplifies, hey, I'm not just going to go along to get along and let, you know, the chips fall where they may. I'm going to take action now. I'm going to follow this intuitive thought that I'm feeling, sensing Philadelphia burning. And you were absolutely right. Look at what. happened in 2020 up until now i mean it was literally burning for some point you know you know a little bit of a premonition there and yeah i mean again i don't want to spend too much time on the kind of introductory stuff tony but again i i think it you you've you've captured something that's going on

in the world with your podcast that i think maybe 20 years from now people look back and be like wow like people were really actually getting spiritual you can track it you know i don't know if they'll call it like the you know millennial awakening or something like that but there have been great awakenings in the past where these sorts of movements have happened and uh yeah i don't think that we should underestimate that and the ability for god christ to speak through us and and you know activate us for lack of a better word, uh, to, to address these real evils in the world and do something about it. Because, you know, one of the great points your guest was making, um, was that, you know, don't just sit by and, you know, and, and let the world fall apart, you know, we all know,

we all know we're going to die. Be strong. Occupy this body that you live in with health. Don't just give up on you on, on this because you, you see that there's an end to it somewhere. Yeah. Yeah, no, I agree. That was Pastor Alan Deio and his son Evan.

Great, great guys. I'm actually going to be speaking at one of their conferences later this summer. But I think with everything that's been going on, what's really interesting is what we do with the podcasting. 20 years, 30 years, 40 years,

when I'm dead, people will be able to go back at this time. And it literally through thousands of cases was real-time documented through podcasting, through YouTube, through these video channels that we have. People are going to be able to actually be able to look back and say, what were people thinking during this time? What was going on through the consciousness of people? And it's been documented thousands of time through individuals. And you can actually be able to map this stuff out. And similarly, even with my show. I mean, you see, you'll see the switch and the progression in my show,

not just, you know, the show quality and all that stuff, but like me as a host. Because the longest time, I looked at my show as, uh, it's about the guess and it is about the guess, but it's also about me. Like, I'm the consistent factor in the show. For seven years, every week I show up, you get to hear me talk to somebody. And you, you get to hear the documented roof of the transition and the progression of my thought process on a lot of different matters. And that's just my show. And you have this documented thing where all these thousands of podcasters are doing the same thing. And you're going to get to years, when we're dead and gone, it's going to be interesting. They have so much data to be able to analyze to see what the,

how does the human mind progress? Because we're the first generation to have this access to to information like this, we're the first generation that can broadcast on our own volition. We don't have to go to school for radio broadcasting. We don't have to have a certain degree. We can just decide, hey, I want to start a podcast and whether it's through great microphones or your cell phone, you can do that. And so there's all this data that's being collected through how the human mind works. And we're the first generation for that. So when they decide to go study it, we're going to be the ones they study. And it's a very fascinating. time that we live in for sure with all this stuff.

This is why, you know, indulge me here, Tony. This is why I like having you on the show. I mean, I did build this podcast as a philosophy podcast, and it's kind of grown into that more and more as I've grown as a host. But that's one of the reasons I really enjoy talking to you is because you have such a huge, huge base of firsthand experiencers that you've talked to on your show. It's all recorded. It's not like, oh, trust me, bro.

Like, I can go and listen to your conversation with any one of these people. And, yeah, I'm curious as somebody, you know, continually to, like, get your, you know, updated perspective on this stuff. Because I'm sure you have to be like someone who's kind of like, huh, maybe it's this. Maybe it's this. Maybe it's this. And then as new information provides, you know, clarity, you sort of build a, um, more and more cohesive picture. And this compartmentalized thing that used to be like, oh, yeah, there's big foot and there's lockness, monsters. And who knows, maybe they're just creepy

animals that nobody's studied. Now we're starting to really put it into a larger picture. And it's become something that I think it challenges your worldview fundamentally, right? And again, I don't, I don't prescribe any one religion on this show. I was raised Catholic. I sort of walked away from that intellectually and then kind of walked back to Christianity, not Catholicism, because I see a lot of problems with Catholicism as an organization. But I have kind of come back around to a lot of the, I guess you could say, foundational ideas that were brought to me through Catholicism, right? All the pizzazz and, you know, silliness aside.

with the Catholic Church, the core ideas have kind of remained, you know, despite all the sugar coding. And I'm really starting to, again, like you and so many people that are listening to these podcasts, reform the way I see the world. And when it comes to your documentary, the shape of shadows, I think you did a really good job of bringing the Native American perspective into the conversation in a serious way and in a way that really, I think, has been undervalued. This is kind of an obvious point. But the people who have signaled like, oh, no, we're not interested in this stuff, the U.S. government, the Smithsonian, I suspect.

and I think the natives suspect this as well, is that they've been interested in this kind of stuff for a long time. And they knew that the Native Americans were very powerful as far as their spiritual connections to the earth and maybe even having a connection to these older stories that the Bible is really, like, grounded in this time period where the Bible was written.

The natives, they were alive during that time, too, and maybe their stories, reflect some of those same values and messages. So I guess to put this into the form of a question, you know, the idea nephalum, this concept nephalum comes up a lot within the world of Christian paranormal research. After everything you learned about the shapeshifter,

do you think it's fair to say that the nephalum and the skinwalker could be connected or maybe a, continuation of a similar sort of cultural phenomena where people take on this invisible entity allow them to be possessed by this sort of entity and then very dark things then happen as we're told in the Bible these beings are not happy with humanity they're they're jealous of us they want to use our physical bodies sounds a lot like the skin walker what do you think no i mean yeah I agree. So it's interesting because it all depends on how you look at things, your perspective, how you're in the moment viewing things, because I think there's tons of different avenues to go with these topics that all do have merit.

But like, say you're doing a combo deal here and you have the Skinwalker, the idea of the Skinwalker, and you want to go down the route of somebody that's doing some real dark magic that through the dark magic rituals that they've done, They have accomplished this ability to shape shift. Then if you want to introduce the idea of Nephilim-type things, it's documented in the book of Enoch. People talk about it in Nazium how, because it traditionally in Christian theology, at least what I grew up,

I always thought that demons were, I was like, I don't know what demons are. I'm assuming they're fallen angels, but it's actually two separate things. And in Enoch, it talks about how, the dead Nephilim, their spirits became the demons. And so if you're talking about somebody, but that's not it though. That's another thing is that there's like this hierarchy that I'm learning, I don't know the whole hierarchy. I don't know if anybody does, but it's becoming apparent that

there are different levels of entities that not all of them have the same roles, the same powers, the same authorities. They've war with each other. But say you're a human being who is sinister, and you're doing dark magic and you're going through ritualistic processes to become a skin walker. Part of that is, you know, they say is to,

you have to kill somebody very close to you, sacrifice them. And it's not like your neighbor next door that you don't like. It's like your mom, your wife,

your kid, somebody that you love. And it signifies the idea that you love the idea of becoming what you're trying to become

more than anybody around you. It takes a certain type of person to be able to do that. And by doing that, maybe it opens the door for a possession, a possession taking place of a spirit, of an entity that has greater authority and power than maybe some others would. And so is that a demonic entity that comes in that is a nephalum, that of nephalum origin that comes in to possess that person? Because anybody listening that maybe doesn't know, the idea that I'm talking about with Skinwalker is that it's a huge. human being and people have different definitions. This is one thing that drove me crazy with

Skinwalk. The topic of Skinwalker's early on. And, you know, talking about my show, you get to hear me learn on the show through conversation with people. So I didn't, I was like, what the heck is a Skinwalker? I think episode 202, I think I called a Skinwalker Ranch. I had a guy Ryan on. And I think I even asked him, like, what is a Skinwalker? I don't know. Like, people say different things. And he couldn't even give me a direct answer because it's just like, who are you talking to? you know, it depends. But the idea of somebody doing this ritualistic stuff and to become the Skinwalker,

a Skinwalker meaning transforming your body into whether it's just a physical transformation, you look different to a transformation of, you look different because you look like you're a different creature. Like you go from human to upright walking dog. People nowadays in the pop culture call it dog man traditionally. Somebody literally transitioned, their body from human to upright walking dog is literally the definition of a werewolf.

But then there's also, they transform their body into hawks, owls, horses. And so there's that idea of physical transformation. Well, how does that happen? And the idea would be, in this instance, that the person has done enough black magic, enough sacrifices to open the door to allow such a strong, to come into their heart, into their body to possess them to do such things. And, you know, Skin Walker aside, there's plenty of other instances where people do things to transform their bodies, whether it's just a simple, it's the simple definition of a demonic

possession where people say that their face transforms or the voices change to even more satanic rituals where they do similar things where they'll uh and i don't know much about it but for what i understand it's um they covered themselves with the the skin of like a wolf and they do a ritual to transform their body into a werewolf uh and and even that is talked about where it's like well are they actually transforming their body into a werewolf or are they doing a ritual that anybody who observes to claim proof of it comes underneath the ritual and the spell of it and what they see is a upright walking dog but in reality is just a person wearing the the skin of a wolf doing the ritual and the person falls under the spell. Then that's what I meant earlier when I said there's

so many different paths you can go with this stuff. And that's my comfort zone now to understand that there is not one definition for this stuff. The most painstaking thing for me is to have to sit with somebody that says, what is Bigfoot? I'm like, ah, that's the wrong question because it's like, it all depends. It all depends.

But going back to the shape of shadows, I found it interesting how the native perspective kind of relayed, like for instance, Johnny. When I went out there, I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know Johnny. I didn't know Bo. I had actually, I had recorded an interview with Bo before I went out there, but I didn't know him. But Johnny showed us around more than anything. And I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know, you know, what kind of perspective I was going to be getting. But Johnny holds this deep-rooted native perspective at the same time of having, I believe, a Catholic faith.

I believe it was Catholicism. But there was no budding of heads with what he grew up understanding through his native tradition and his spiritual faith. And even along those lines, I mean, I think it's, I always get this wrong, you might be the one to be able to confirm it. I think it's St. Christopher that had the doghead. but yeah, I think it was St. Christopher that is depicted in some pictures as having a dog head.

And so it's just like, shoot, dude, if we're talking about Skinwalker's turning into werewolves and St. Christopher has a dog head. No wonder why Johnny had no problem thinking, yeah, that makes sense. That's right. Yeah, yeah, that is St. Christopher. I just pulled it up here now. And there's, yeah, just type in folks listening at home,

St. Christopher Doghead. You'll see exactly what we're talking about. And yeah, Johnny, I believe you mentioned in the doc that he or he mentioned that he's Lakota and moved into Utah. And that would track that he's Catholic because I believe the Lakota were, let's say, Christianized by the French who would have been Catholic, right? So, and that happened a lot throughout the, you know, post-Columbian period of American history, you have all of these different admixtures of Native American ideation, cultural beliefs, spiritual beliefs with Western culture. And in a way, it's, it's how they preserve things that would have otherwise been lost as you

translate things to other languages, lose your native language, the same thing. happens, you know, really anywhere where colonial, you know, cultures have dominated. But when it comes to the Native American world of beliefs, I was introduced to all this from a sort of a young age, a crucial age, you know, 17, 18 in college, a gentleman who I met in New Haven happened to be from Arizona and he was just kind of drifting around and me and him met and hit it off and became friends. And one of the things that he told me very seriously, you know, was that these prophecies that the Native Americans believe in are exactly in line with Christ and God. Like he was basically saying like, just because we didn't have the Bible doesn't mean.

mean we didn't have God. Like we have the same God as you guys. It's just he spoke to us in our language. So we didn't, but when we didn't have the, you know, paper that you guys did, so we didn't write it down like that. You know, he's kind of given it to me in like country bumpkin simple terms, but that's, that's kind of how he saw it being a Apache from Arizona. So it might be surprising to people, but there are a lot of complementary beliefs. in that world. And I wonder if it's not because of the whole colonization thing or maybe because, you know, these native groups of people are from the biblical times. They traveled from the Middle East or vice versa. Or maybe they, you know, who knows what the geography was back then.

But it just to me, I think that the idea that the Native Americans were just like these savages that we're off on their own who didn't have God or anything like that. It's just, it's so silly. And now we're starting to really appreciate their spiritual ideas and how they, they mend with what we've been taught from the Western perspective. Now, when it comes to the Skinwalker, you're right to say that there's so many different variations of this phenomenon. One of the first ways I was introduced to it was through Carlos Castaneda.

And in his books, he talks about Don Juan, who's teaching him how to take his astral body and put it in the form of a bird or put it in the form of a frog or a snake and experience consciousness through that animal's consciousness. And when I read that, I started to wonder, you know, are they biolocating in the sense that their body is like actually morphing into or is, or is, it that their body stays where they are and their consciousness enters the form of an animal. And you just kind of hit it on the head there with what you were saying about the werewolf where it's not the person is the being itself. It's that whoever is witnessing them falls under the spell. So you see their astral body, their light body or this projection that they're putting out. And you're instantly kind of not hypnotized but put under that spell.

I think that's a really interesting way to put it. And I wonder if our culture doesn't kind of lend us to be spiritually blind, right? Like, because these beings, they're out there. People kind of experience them as poltergeist or ghosts or as a weird feeling. But not often do people actually see these beings manifest. And maybe it takes the Uinta base in a place that has. all this energy and this magnetism to like give form to this light that normally is kind of outside of our visible spectrum. Yeah. And you went to Basin is definitely one of those locations.

Also, it's interesting because it seems like I have a hard time defining as to what is the qualifier for these areas, right? For instance, I didn't know it. at the time, but I moved to an area that's like that. So East Tennessee, the smoky mountains, I mean, I was, when I was moving, when I was driving down, I had never been to Tennessee before. I just saw it in pictures. And I was driving down to Tennessee to look for a house for my family. And my plan was to stop in Knoxville and then head on over to Nashville because I had a feeling I was going to settle into Nashville because it would be good for business. It's entertainment, you know and um i i didn't get that far as soon as i saw the mountains i was like oh i got to stay here

and so i settled in at the foothills i see this i see the mountains every day when i pull out my driveway it's soothing to the soul uh but it is an ancient area and i don't know if this is true but i was told when i moved here that these are the oldest mountains in the world uh which i mean i guess makes sense in the idea that they're not as tall as the ones out west but that's because these have been worn down longer. Maybe it's the oldest in the country. I don't know. But either way,

these are very ancient mountains that had a, I think the activity goes well beyond Native American activity to ancient times. In fact, just probably about three, three and a half hours from here in Haysai, Virginia, my guys over at Appalachia intelligence podcast,

they found a huge rock that has ancient carvings on it. And Justin believes that it actually leads to an ancient civilization. And I've never not one time heard him say to me that I remember now that I'm thinking about it, that he believes it was an ancient civilization that was Native American. And then if you keep going further up into Pennsylvania, actually next week, Jack and I are going to be visiting and spending a night at an ancient location. This place, whether it's mysteriously, nefariously ancient or ancient just by happenstance of how it was formed, there is a location in Pennsylvania that has at least over a half a mile

long giant rock wall. And these, they're like giant boulders that were stacked. on top of each other, that science, I believe, says that was formed naturally. Racial erratics is what they like to call them, yeah. What's it called? They like to call them glacial erratics because they erratically were discharged by melting glaciers. Okay.

Well, whatever that's called, I, I've been there one time. I shot a video there because here's a thing. So I found this place because somebody that I used to, so I, all right, Storytime with Tony. I used to be a parking enforcement officer in Reading, Pennsylvania, in my early 20s. I was a meter mate. And every day I would stop by

this one building, there's a security guard standing outside. Him and I would talk at the same time every day. And down the road, I started driving a truck. He wound up running security for Best Buy. I ran into him again. And we started talking about what I do now. This is probably about seven years ago. And he's like, listen, there's

some really crazy stuff in the Reading area. that you that would be right up your alley and like what are you talking about it's like reptilians i'm like what reptilians talk to me he's like i don't want to talk about right now it makes me nervous i'm like what are you like what do you know somebody that's a reptilian what and he's like they're in the area and i'm like this guy's driving that so he he teased me with this for years every time one of the best spot i'm like dude you got to tell me he's like i don't want to talk about it and um eventually he just told me he gave me a little bit more he said that reptilian there's a reptilian civilization is ancient and I think he said he believed is still here in the Reading area and he said you need to

look for a landmark of a giant rock that it looks like a serpent head or some kind of serpent and I was like okay so I started search around I found two locations and one I thought I was like well it's a giant rock and they it's in the I think it was like in the shape of a dragon or something I think it was painted on. There's lots of graffiti, highly trafficked. I was like, I don't think that's it. Then I found a spot that has no graffiti, nobody really even knows about. And it's way out there in the mountains of Appalachia.

And when I came up on this location, this giant wall, I mean, the spot that I'm looking at is probably, I don't know, 50, 80 feet high. And at the very end of it, the way it drops off, it looks like a snakehead. and I was like, holy crap, I think this is it. Like, I went up there as like on a whim. And I get up there and I spent 14 hours up there with my friend. And we were documenting and filming that day with his camera. But we didn't really have a direction as what we were filming.

So the video never came out. I just came across the footage like two weeks ago. But where this head is, it looks like part of the wall fell over. and the way the wall falls over, it's like all these symmetrically shaped bricks that looked like they were formed on purpose.

It'd say like each section was probably about eight feet long, perfectly square, falling over, all of them. And I'm like, I don't know. And then you start looking at, because again, I went up there thinking, I think this is probably

scientifically they're going to say it's a natural formation. But the more I was spent time of there, and like this doesn't seem like some of these giant boulders, like the snakehead, it looked like it was lifted and set there. And like you could see space underneath each one.

And, you know, and maybe, you know, over years, it forms that way. But we spend the entire day up there and we, it's now nighttime. And we're out there with headlamps on. And these choppers come in

and buzz us, and we weren't far from a military base, and so I don't know if they were doing, you know, exercises or what. It kind of freaks you out. But at one point, we're watching this light. We saw some kind of orb or something go across on the valley across from us, kind of go down, hovering over the trees. And after that, that's out of the way. I said to Ed, I said, hey, you're ready to go? He said, yeah. And we started walking. And I didn't notice at a time until I was listening back to the footage. This is years ago when I first went up there. You hear something, a female voice get up to his microphone. He had a shotgun microphone on his camera. It just goes, okay. Like, it was a female voice whispering okay. And I didn't know it at the time. So we're walking

along this ancient wall. And we get out to the snakehead. It's probably about midnight at this time. We're sitting there. We're exhausted. Cameras are off. And we're just like getting ready to leave. I'm not in the mindset of documenting anything. And I'm sitting there and all of a sudden, I thought I heard a little girl whimpering or whispering, like kind of like talking, couldn't make it out, off in the dark in the woods. And I said to him, like, did you hear that?

And he's like, no, he didn't hear it. And now I'm like, man, I wish I would have gone out there just to even look to see what happens, knowing now that I had that EVP. But I was just like, well, you're ready to go? I'm out. But I say this story to say, me and Jack just next week are going back up there.

I'm taking him there for the first time. It's my second time going there. We're actually going to spend the whole night there. We're going to camp there. And we're going to re-investigate the idea of this reptilian civilization because the day that we were up there, there was another hiker that was up there that we came across. And he said to be careful up there because there's a lot of caverns that people fall into

that they don't even know exist. I'm like, that gives the idea of this underground civilization. and I saw on Google Maps for this location, a hiker pinpointed it, and he left a comment saying that there's a lot of ancient things up there. Something like, don't be out there at night. There's a lot of ancient things that people don't even know about or something like that.

I was just like, I am intrigued. And so I'm going to relaunch the investigation, but the whole thing is that I think that this area, the Appalachian Mountains, are very charged, very active, high energy for whatever reason. And there's other locations like this location, the Skinwalker Ranch and the Uinta Basin. New Orleans is another one.

Joshua Tree is another one. And this is just within our country. And then you got to think also like, and I haven't done this, but this is just off top of my head, the pyramids. Where are the pyramids and location of these areas? I think that there's pyramids in this country that we don't even,

we, you and I don't even know about it. I think somebody knows about it. I've been told that there's pyramids in the Smokies. I don't know where I live here. So I'm going to be spending my entire life looking for them. But the idea that is there pyramids in these certain areas and what were the pyramids used for? You know, were they charging locations? You know, that's one of the thoughts that people talk about. And so I don't know. It's just there's a lot of, there's a lot of mystery left to be had in this world. I don't, I think that again, talking, circling back to the beginning, In 2020, people, that painting that they were taught to look at was ripped open, and all of a sudden they're seeing a whole new reality.

And for a long time, people just felt like we discovered everything. We're the kings of the world. We're the most advanced civilization ever. There's nothing that could take us down. And I think people are starting to understand that's not the case. One, things can take us down. And two, we don't know everything. Three, ancient civilizations have passed.

were probably well more advanced than we were. And I think the pyramids hold that kind of a secret for us. And so how do the pyramids play a role in all this stuff? I just, I'm fascinated by it all. So you just unleashed the ADHD and me. I'm sorry. Oh, dude, Tony, this is amazing. Remind me after we're done recording to ask you about Reading PA

and tell you some things. But what I can say for the audience to hear, a year or so ago, maybe a little longer, I went down to Pennsylvania to visit Michael Juan, who you might be familiar with. I don't think you ever had them on your show just because you're not, you don't really interview authors, but Michael Juan is fascinating. He's done a ton of research into the Susquehanna River area of Pennsylvania. And we went on a little hike to a place called the Serpentineas.

barrens and there are only a few in the whole world places where you have these serpentine barons and what that is is it's a type of stone called serpentine that's very acidic so when it's in the ground and high quantities the landscape is noticeably different because there's only a certain type of niche of plants that can you know grow in that sort of soil and i believe one of the few places where there's serpentine in the world is right along this kind of band going north, south through Pennsylvania. It might go near Reading. I'm kind of looking on my own little map here. And it's not, it's not that close, but it's also in the grand scheme of things, not that far. It's right down by like where the Susquehanna meets the Maryland-Pensilvania border. But yeah, it's really fascinating to hear this idea that there's a serpent-shaped stone structure in association with underground caverns in a place where there's so much geological just wealth and abundance like Pennsylvania is a the keystone state like they call it the keystone state because of how

important the stone coming out of this area not just Pennsylvania but the ports that were then taking the stone out of the northeast and then bringing it elsewhere. Like it's it's very pertinent to the conversation this whole stone conversation. I don't want to retread too much ground because we did talk about this when I was a guest on your show and the whole stone structures. But there's a there's a mountain in New York, which is right down by the Pennsylvania border called Pyramid Mountain. and a friend of mine who's been on the show, Patrizio,

we're planning on going down there. He's been there a couple times, and he wants to show me some of the stone structures. But I think it's all inherently connected. And, you know, a lot of people don't realize that this whole complex in the Mississippi area, A, those mounds were the largest, it was the largest, largest earthen pyramid in the entire world, there still is. It's just, you know, we don't classically consider it the same as a pyramid, but it is the same design. And the people that

lived in that mound builder civilization are unknown to our science today. Like the Native Americans themselves have stories, the tribes that we know of, of interacting with these mound builders and being stuck in the Mississippi region for several hundreds of years as they're trying to move east because this mound building culture was so fierce and powerful. So they were like, you know, on the, what is it, the, the lowlands right there in between the Rocky Mountains and the Mississippi, that area, like trying to, you know, push east to find fertile land. And these mound builders were there for several hundred years. also in Louisiana of poverty point where anthropologists and archaeologists say they had a city

this size of modern New York City in what is now, you know, flooded swamp, but what was then probably very fertile, coastal, you know, agriculturally rich areas of land. Man, this pyramid mountain, I looked it up and I was like, holy crap. I don't even know if this is the right thing because this is labeling it in like North Jersey, but yeah, the first picture I see is this giant

boulder sitting on two like rocks. I'm like, well, that doesn't look natural. Right. At all. I think that might be tripod rock, possibly,

but there are several stone structures like that. And, you know, I'm glad we kind of got around to talking about this because it's reminding me of one of the aspects of the shape of shadows where you speak with James Keenan about the magnetic flux. And this guy is really fascinating. I'd love to interview him because he seems like he's got his eyes on the prize when it comes to laylines and what's really going on with the magnetism of the earth.

But that's what these stone structures are possibly telling us is that the stones themselves have a magnetic relationship with the earth that the humans who built them or the giants or whoever built these were utilizing in some way, whether it was a ritual way, maybe an agricultural way. There's all sorts of thoughts on to, you know, what benefits these stone structures have. But, you know, we've talked about this before. What if these massive weights being, you know, pushed down on like smaller stones causes some sort of rift in whatever is keeping these invisible entities from manifesting in our realm. And that's why we see them in these weird places like the Uintabasin where there's such a huge flux of magnetism. Yeah.

Yeah, I think James, he was actually on the TV show as well. and he was talking about how this line, this magnetic line going through the ranch. And they focused on the ranch in the show in this triangle area. And he's like, it goes right through here. And on the map that they were showing the line, the direction of that line was going towards Space Wolf Research.

And so I had shot him a text. When I saw that, and I said, hey, listen, I just saw you on the TV show. That line that you were talking about, Does that go like through Space Wolf? And if I remember correctly, he said it goes directly in line with the container that moved in the movie. So it's right on course.

And so there is something with this idea of magnetic pulsing. And that container, I still don't, we don't have answers. We have no answers. Folks, you got to watch the doc to know about this container. I won't say too much because you just got to go and watch it yourself. It's crazy, but I do want to know, was there anything in the container? Was it just an empty container? What's the stitch with that? Yeah, no, I think it was just an empty container that Ryan had for storage, that he was going to have set up a storage. Since we've been there, Ryan has done work on the property. He's expanded 10 acres. And I think he's looking at opening up Skinwalker Ranch more on an open general basis for people to come camp on and things like that, which I fully support. I think that he bought the area to do research. He can't be there all the time. So why not allow people who are into the topic be. Be on the property do their own research just through existing on the property. I mean, if people are

camping on the property, if they have weird things happen, you think he's not going to know about it? They're going to tell him first. And so I think that's a great thing. But for the container, I don't know what was in it, but I think it was empty at the time. Even it being empty, the container was like 40 feet long. It's like one of the shipping containers you would see. That ship that, that ran into the Baltimore Grange, knocked it down. Those containers on that ship, that's what we're talking about. That kind of container. Very heavy metal container, 40 feet long, probably 10 feet high, at least 10 feet high.

And this thing was running parallel with the shed. And next thing you know, the next day or whenever, all of a sudden, it is now shifted. And it's at a 90-degree angle with the shed. It literally lifted off the ground and moved. And what's interesting, and I think it kind of goes with the, the James. Keenan thought on the magnetic pulses, this thing didn't lift high off the ground and then move. It didn't get drug because there were no drag marks. There was only a couple drag marks, and those drag marks were on top of larger stones that were sitting underneath the container

at the time, where the container literally levitated off the ground just enough to shift itself. And as it did, it scraped some stones, but not enough for those stones to actually be. moved just to scrape the top of them. And so this thing was not lifted very high. There was no evidence of heavy machinery coming in on the property. There's only one way into the property and one way out. And it's through a narrow driveway entrance that has fencing on both sides. Now, being a former truck driver that drove tractor trailers, getting into that property with a tractor trailer to offload heavy machinery to be able to do this, would be a nightmare.

And right next to the entrance of that driveway is the landkeeper's house. And the landkeeper, his job is to be there. That's what his job is. His job is to exist on the property, to be the property keeper. And so he would have heard a tractor trailer trying to back in heavy machinery. Listen, because I'm not turning into that property. If as a truck driver, if I see where I have to go, I'm not going to make a turn in there because I'm going to take out the fence.

So I'm going to pull past the entrance, and I'm going to back in my tannums into that entrance way, and I'm not going to do it in one shot. I'm going to be doing back and forth, back and forth, wiggling myself in. And the whole time he's going to hear

the diesel motor running. He's going to hear the air brakes popping on and off. He's going to hear it all. He's going to actually hear the guy pull the air brakes out because he's going to have to get out, look at the back end, to see where his back end is, so he's not hitting anything.

It's a big process. And so the fact that he had no idea, he never heard anything, nothing does to me lend to the theory of James Keenan where there could have been a magnetic pulse that just enough just kind of popped it, just pop, you know, and push it up just enough to kind of shift it and landed. But it did, it did. And it also was uncontrolled in the sense that there was damage on the shed. The corner of the container did clip the edge of the shed and damage the shed. So it wasn't like, you know, even Ryan was like, how, let me just turn this and, you know,

a prank, you know. Well, and, you know, if we're talking about magnetism, something like a large, you know, metal vessel, like a huge hollow metal container, that's like the perfect thing for a huge force of magnetic motion to move. Like, if anything, that's what's going to move on the property, not a cactus or a car or something else. This giant container seems to be, as you pointed out, maglev somehow, I floated, but. when you watch the dock, you'll see it's only like stones that you would trip over that seemed to be scraped. So the container was clearly not dragged. It was lifted. And yeah, I mean, I'll add to that too real quick. And I always forget this because it wasn't my experience, but my producer, uh, Joseph Granda, he, this documentary was the first time we worked with him.

he's now he works he works with Merkel Media like he's one of the employees here and he's very intrical in the process of everything that we do

I I know Joseph I know I trust him right Joseph after we did this documentary he had to have knee surgery

had to have me I think it was double knee place knee replacement no it wasn't double It was just one knee, but he had knee replacing surgery. He was down for a while. When he got out to Skinwalker Ranch, our Space Wolf Research, to this area, and me never meeting him, I was a little suspicious at first because when I got there, he's saying

how, you know, when he got there a day ahead of time, he was wearing a knee brace because he has to wear a knee brace all the time until he has a surgery, and now he doesn't feel any pain. And the whole week, he goes without wearing a knee brace. I never in my life saw Joseph wearing a knee brace. And I was like, oh, really, dude, like, you know, are you just saying that? You're creating a narrative, you're trying to inject yourself into the story. Like, I didn't know. Like, it's not that I didn't trust him, but I was just like, I don't know the guy.

Yeah. I just started working with him. This is the first project we're working on. It wasn't until after we shot the film and we all went home that he actually had a knee surgery. I was like, holy crap. And he also said that once he got back home, it was like a week or two later, he had to start wearing the knee brace again. It was when he arrived at the property, that the pain was gone. And I don't know what to make of that. Is there a spiritual component to that? Or is it maybe more

a long line of scientific word, there is some kind of magnetic anomaly going on that his knee had a reaction to that helped numb the pain that he should have been feeling because his knees were shot. I don't know. But I always forget to talk about that. Well, that's relative. I mean, so much of what we talk about on the show, as far as it pertains to the invisible world of forces around us seems to be making us less and less healthy. We don't often consider the regenerative qualities of certain places. And yeah, maybe that's why, you know, these places are so special and considered sacred, right? that when you guys were talking to James Keenan, he mentioned a place called Dry Fort Canyon, which you guys went and visited.

And I was really blown away by some of the footage that you guys have there. So just for that reason alone, folks, please go and check out the shape of shadows. There's multiple reasons, but that really blew me away, seeing not just how detailed those petroglyphs were, but how high up the petroglyphs were.

And the story goes is that giants created those petroglyphs, right? So we're talking about some strapping maybe eight to nine foot tall dudes. Maybe they could have just kind of climbed up there and did it themselves pretty easily. Maybe we can't really think in those terms. We'd have to ask like an NBA player how easy it is for them to rock climb. Yeah, ask Wemby. Listen, that area is so majestic. It's beautiful.

It's peaceful. It's soothing. Like when you walk in there, it's indescribable. Like all I could say is you have to experience it for yourself. Knowing what's back there and hiking back to the location, it's just beautiful. It's, I can't even, it's out of a movie. I mean, the piece that you feel there and you see like some of these little houses and stuff that people live in, I'm like, how can you live here? Like, if I lived there, you ain't catching me anywhere out.

I'm not going anywhere. Like, that's it. I'm staying right here. It's so peaceful. And then you get back to these carvings in the rocks, and it's like, holy crap, man. And we were able to climb up on some of the rocks and get close to these things. And some of these were depictions of giants with six fingers. And that goes to the Native American legend.

And it's just going back to the history untold kind of thing, like there is a whole chapter of time and existence that is not told to us, whether it's on purpose or we don't have the information or a little bit of both. We are constantly discovering our own history when we get out on foot and do this stuff. And it's one of the most fun things that I do. I enjoy talking to people about anything under the sun, right? I enjoy going out and looking for, you know, monsters of the woods. The idea of going and discovering lost history is, it brings in a whole new side of me that isn't there with all the other stuff. The idea of the quote-unquote treasure hunting for generic terms.

Like, this stuff is treasures. I'm still looking at the pyramid mountain. And like that boulder, that's a treasure, man. Like, like, these are histories and treasures that are out there to be discovered and to be understood. And that's, this is the kind of stuff that gets me fired up. But you get me talking about rocks. I'm a happy camp or kids with the, uh, the rock collections, you know, that's my kids right

now. They have the rock collections. And they just like picking up rocks out of a parking lot. And like, I want to collect this. I want to bring a home of my collection. I'm like, that's cool. Wait until I take you on something. hikes to show you some real rocks you know.

Yeah. Oh, how lucky are they, man. I wish I had a parent to indulge me in those nerdy interests because, yeah, I was, I was, I mean, my parents did a great job of, you know, as best as they could. But yeah, as far as geology goes, now I'm just trying to catch up on like, oh, what's that rock? What's that rock? And I'm kind of gotten okay at identifying, like, the three basic categories and a few

smaller, you know, categories outside of that. But yeah, it's, it's very difficult. When it comes to the stones, again, I want to maybe wait till we're done recording to talk to you about all this stuff going on in my neck of the woods because I'd love to help with an expedition up here. But when it comes to, you know, this landscape, this stone landscape, it seems inherently connected to this mythological, religious way of seeing the world. You know, there are these sacred places. And, you know, now that we live in this modern time, it's easy to forget that and how important this was to not just Native American

cultures, but all cultures. So when the Europeans came here, they did have a eye for these special places and that's how Washington, D.C., Philadelphia, New York City, Boston, that's how these cities were founded. You know, they planned them out thinking, okay, let's make sure it's in a spot like this with these qualities, these features, so on and so forth. And one of the things that came up when you guys were driving with Johnny was the sacred aspects of the land and how, burial and the burial of the ancestors is not something that is taken lightly by any stretch of the imagination. It's a very, very solemn, serious relationship that they have with their dead.

And, you know, they're buried all over these sacred places, right? And now that you have, you know, the modern world coming in with things like oil, well, drilling machines and all sorts of big, you know, big tired construction vehicles moving through the high desert, you know, the theory, the idea came up that these beings, uh, that people are seeing these entities, these strange sites may result from the disturbances being caused to the ancestors, their, their bodies, their graves being disturbed. You know, maybe these, these, entities are some sort of manifestation of these ancestors. What are your thoughts on that? Do you think

that, you know, there's a maybe a reason why we take so much care to bury our dead and, and, and all the rituals surrounding it, you know, nowadays people are just like, yeah, cremate them, throw them in a plot, you know, cheap as cheap as I can get, because it's so expensive. Just get grandpa out of here for the smallest dollar possible, you know, this is kind of, again, like the evil of the world we're living in, right? Where you have, like, medicine is not healing anyone. It's turning people into these drug addicts. And then you have, like, you know, the dead not being respected.

It seems like these things are all inherently connected. And you have to go to, like, the most remote place to see the effects of it. because that's just how the ripple effect happens, I guess. I don't know. So, I mean, what you're describing, it's like the culture we live in, the society we live in the world we live in, it's like life is disposable. We see that at every corner. It's like, it's life disposable. It's gone. You know, you're talking about grandpa. Like, grandpa died. He left me with this mound of bills that I have to pay for this burial and all this stuff. And it's just like, by the time you put,

grandpa on the ground, you're pissed at him because he's like, gosh, and you just cost me thousands of dollars old man, you know, and what did I get for it? This stupid house or whatever that's falling apart you lived in since 1920. It's worth nothing. It's just, it's a bunch of drama. But yeah, you know, with these disturbances of the ground out, out there, the experiences people are having and equating it to that disturbance, I do find interesting. that they view it that way. And the way they view it, it's almost as if

like these entities or these things that people are seeing. I mean, I don't know. Like, one could say, all right, maybe it's the, the dead bodies of the people themselves that are, their spirits are coming back and their tick, they're being disturbed.

Maybe it's skin walkers of past coming back. maybe it's a combo deal, maybe it's the guardians of the dead, you know, like maybe it's, it's literally you're disturbing these grounds and, you know, you in these times don't understand the significance of the dead, but there's repercussions for doing what you're doing. I mean, even look at like cemeteries and graveyards. I mean, like, you hear about grave diggers and things like that, not often, but would would you or I or anybody, most people at least, we can't control who's listening. So I don't want to take anybody out of the equation. Maybe there is some kind of sicko out there that wants to do this.

But like, would any of us want to go to a graveyard and dig up a dead body? Like, like, that sounds like you'd get bad juju. Like, it sounds like a bad idea. Like, something's going to follow you home, something. Like, we hear, I've heard enough to say that there's something to do with graves and upright walking dogs, dog man, people seeing dog man running through cemeteries, that, you know, okay, I'm not trying to go to a cemetery at night to do anything of the sorts, you know, like I'll go in there to make a cool video, but outside of that, I'm not doing anything. And so if we're going out to these locations where these ancient burials are that, just because you don't know where it's specifically located, doesn't mean it's not a burial site,

and you're going out there and you're digging up the ground, you're pumping oil through, you're disturbing that burial site. I mean, you really might be drumming up some magnificent activity. And maybe somebody listening or whatever doesn't totally believe in that stuff, right? But let's just say it is true, right? And imagine if you go to a graveyard or a cemetery and you just dig it up and you just destroy it. And the theory that I just presented is true. Imagine what kind of activity you could,

you could drum up by doing such things. And that's essentially what's happening out there into you into BASA with the drilling. Johnny, I think Johnny had said, either on the film or maybe off camera, about how he has spent time with the elders talking to them about what is going on here. But it's kind of a shame to say, I guess,

the, the, the, the, the, nothing happens on the reservation without the permission, without their permission. So, uh, there has been a green light from within house to allow the drilling. Uh, I don't think everybody agrees with it, but the fact is it's not just, you know, um, like the natives on the reservation, they say the white man, it's not like the white man came in and said, I'm just going to start drilling here and, and tough luck. Like, it is their reservation. It's, it, it, you have to have permission to do it. And so there is probably some kind of monetary benefit to but doesn't negate the fact that you're digging up old burial sites and what kind of activity you're drumming up there.

Well, and to be fair, you know, they didn't choose to be put on the reservation. Their lifestyle was very different before the U.S. government came into play. And yeah, now they're probably so desperate living in a place where there's no fertile soil and they can't live that lifestyle of hunter-gatherer and follow the buffalo or or follow the deer, you know, they can't do that anymore. So, yeah, they got to sell out to the oil industry. I mean, it's definitely, yeah, there's, there's many reasons to say, you know, it's not, there's not just one person to blame. It's much more complicated than that. But yeah, man, I can't help but sympathize with the people of all the Native American tribes, maybe to a fault. They're not all

perfect and they're not all the same either. That's the other big misnomer with people is like, oh, they're all the same, no. And what's interesting is, you know, you go a little bit further north and it's not the Skinwalker, they talk about it, it's the Wendigo. And the Wendigo has a very similar lore to the Skinwalker, especially that part about the dark shamanism

and how you have to do something very evil to someone close to you in order to achieve this level of, you know, depraved power, right? Is this disgusting force that takes over people's humanity. It's called the Wendigo in these places in the north. And, you know, anthropologists, scientists go in, they try to make sense of these things. And they think, well, you know, hunger leads to cannibalism in these very cold, barren places, right? it doesn't seem like that really explains it all the way. You know, it almost seems like there's a force out there that, yeah,

praise upon humans who are either flirting with the dark side already or maybe, you know, from some trauma or bad circumstances in their life, they've been left open to those sorts of influences. There's many reasons why someone might end up there. but it kind of brings a new perspective on something like a serial killer when you think about it, you know, this idea that there's a force that takes over somebody. Because when you read about the Wendigo encounters, and I'm sure you've had people on to talk about it on the confessionals, but it's very much like a force that takes over a person and they become not themselves anymore, right? it maybe a werewolf is like a more temporary version of that because it seems like you have some control like you're only a werewolf at midnight you know or whatever or when the wounds full

but with the wendigo it's like you're you're gone forever once the wendigo gets you're gone and um you know it's maybe easily confused with the wittico because they sound similar But again, another Native American phenomenon that's kind of flown into or sewn into all of this in this really kind of complimentary way because the Wittico is like this larger collective consciousness parasite. It's not something that necessarily manifests just on an individual level it does, but it's more of a cultural force. And right now, you know, the Waitico in our modern culture tells us exactly what you're saying before, that life is disposable, you know. And, yeah, so it's, it's something spiritual that we're really, you know, again, just kind of philosophically talking about here with no real conclusions because, I mean, Tony and I, we're not God. Only God could know the answers to all these questions. but it is worth

pondering, I think. Yeah, no, I agree. This is something that, like, I don't claim to have all the answers. I'll say what I think on things, but, you know, at the end of the day, who am I? Like, you know, I see a lot of guys

who study things their entire lives come to different conclusions and have, you know, just hard debates on topics. and I'm like, if they can't agree, if they can't figure it out, then I'm just this schmuck with the podcast. Like, I don't know. Like, I just, I have my own thoughts and conclusions. And, you know, am I wrong?

Maybe, you know? I have no idea. But yeah, when Tico, or Wet Tico, Wet Tico, yeah, W-E-T-I-K-O, that is something that I'm not very familiar with at all. And I just looked it up. I'm going to look at that more. When you first said that, I was like, huh, I don't think I've ever heard that.

that before. Yeah, well, and I've heard it kind of lumped in with the Wendigo because it is kind of similar and maybe the Wendigo is kind of like a part of the larger Wittico phenomenon, and maybe the Skinwalker too. But I guess I bring it up just to say like, you know, this isn't just a native thing. Like, and it's so interesting now from the perspective you have because like you were saying before, at first you didn't really even know what a skin walker. was and same for me like only recently i kind of made the connection that oh war wolf skin walker these are all like the same thing and in africa you have groups of people that take hyena skins and hyenas are not dogs they're they're like more like a like a raccoon or something

biologically so it's not just dogs this phenomenon takes you know like coyote is a dog but still like the hyena, kind of interesting that in that culture where maybe a hyena is a better archetype than a wolf, because a wolf isn't as strong in that biome, they take on this hyena form. And it's the same reputation like brutal killings happen in the night. And there's a hyena scene. And then all of a sudden a guy wakes up and he's got blood all over him and a hyena skin next to him. And he was doing bad juju and and that's how it happens, you know, it's very strange. I'm sure there's parallels in other cultures too. In Japan and in China, they have this thing called the Fox Spirit. I don't know if you're familiar with the Fox Spirit, but there was a time in Chinese history

where the emperor was taken by a Fox Spirit. And this woman who was possessed by a Fox Spirit basically took over the whole entire country of China. by, you know, sweet talking, you know, this emperor, which I'm sure it wasn't that hard if you're a good-looking lady, you know, emperors and, you know, withering old man. But yeah, apparently this woman had this, like, supernatural ability to control people and manipulate and it had something to do with a fox. Her mother said, like, a fox took her baby away and replaced her baby with a fox spirit outside of my area of expertise, but it kind of fits into the same line of thinking that, you know, there's something about maybe this canine or four-legged dog-like form that

connects to this. I don't know. I don't know why, but it's not just happening in, you know, America. It's happening all over the world in different ways. This is interesting. the Fox spirit. So they haven't aired yet. I have some episodes coming up about Lilith. And I have, again, I do a lot of my learning on the show. And I accidentally scheduled two different guys to talk about Lilith so close together. So I'm going to have, at some point, I got to figure out I try to space it out a little bit.

I don't want to have it back-to-back episodes. Maybe I should. I don't know. But we're talking about Lilith. then I learned a lot from these guys. And the idea that Lilith can be traced back, I think it was Bo Kennedy from Bump Podcast, had said that you can trace Lilith back to Nephlam era,

and that there were women who not were, they weren't taken as like sexual slaves by fallen angels and their offspring became the Nephlam, but they willingly became participants in this rebellion. And that Lilith was one of those women. And how through all that and chain of events, that Lilith is still present today in a demonic form and she has this rain over areas.

And they were talking about the Appalachia area. But as somebody who hasn't done tons of studying into Lilith, but the general idea that if she did this and she wasn't the only one, there be other similar women of history who did such things that then later on throughout our into our current times have spiritual strongholds over other geographical locations and giving more credence to the idea that I was talking about before with Philadelphia and San Francisco that there are entities that have strongholds in these areas that are very different

and it's their, for lack of better terms, kingdom? And could the Fox spirit and what you just kind of laid out be one of those types of lineages with when it comes to understanding and lore. I don't know, but on the surface just, and the only correlation of connection would be the woman that, that is enticing to the men. Like, that's literally what Lilith does. And so there are people today that still have encounters with Lilith, whether it's coming to them in dreams or in a succubus type of way, Or is an incubus? I think it might be incubus. I can't remember. I can't remember which one's which, incubus and succubus. And then there's the idea that Lilith, there's the Lilith, but then she found ways, and I think Justin from Appalachian Intelligence goes into this,

where she found ways to have offspring still. And so there are other types of Lilith that's not the Lilith, but like, almost like if you think of a family tree, it's like, it's still Lilith, but it's not the Lilith. And so there's just, it's a complexity that I just, you know, again, seven years ago starting this podcast, I had no idea. Like, I was just like, let's talk about Bigfoot. Did you find any footprints? And now I'm like talking about Lilith and how she's having sex with men in the middle

of night to woo them into rivers and drown them. It's like, what? Mythology, metaphysics, history, paranormal, paranormal. It all collides. It all intertwines. And those who who don't get that are usually the ones most frustrated by these topics. They're the ones that, you know, they think it's all crazy talk or they're the ones that get angry when you start talking about things that they don't agree with. Because they lack the perspective of trying to understand how the lines get blurred and they cross over. And, you know, I just, I think they want. They want to rest on the reassurance that their worldview is correct. And the fun it, the most fun, I think we have in this realm is learning, discovering, exploring, questioning. So whatever it is that taught those people to just stop doing that, like, that's where they went

wrong, you know? I don't, I agree with you. But let's, if they, if they did make it this far into the episode. If there are any people listening who can identify that way, I doubt it. But, yeah, get curious, folks, because the world is not sewn up. It's not all figured out. And we've been taught, we've been given, rather, wisdom from ancient times, from this very crucial point in history, so crucial that the historians took the whole timeline and zeroed it at the date of this guy's birth. right so christ is born boom everything we know kind of is predicated a lot on that time period you know

roman christian judeic these this world view and yeah i think it all inherently connects so you know for people who are like i thought we were talking about the paranormal what's with all this christian stuff it's like i think it it again it intertwines because this is the cultural nexus through which people are seeing the world. And it's also, I personally believe, this isn't something that I think anyone has evidence for, but maybe, that we were created by a God who wants us to flourish, who wants us to thrive. So it makes sense that he would send someone like Christ or send someone like, you know, whoever, whichever prophet to set us on the right direction if we're going down the wrong direction. And I mean, look at the times we're in now,

not saying that, um, you know, Christ is in the form of podcasting or anything. But I think like, that might be the real message that the Bible is trying to tell us is like, hey, you know, you guys are going to grow up and you're not going to need Jesus to come and tell you how to do it. Because he already told you once. So stand up on your own and live in his image and live. through his eyes. And I think, you know, not to get onto a whole religious raint here, but I think when you, when you walk into the wilderness and you experience these strange sightings, these weird, anomalous things, you know, these are not happening to people who are not open or not awakened to this heart kind of centered way of seeing the world. These are the challenges that the Bible

is like warning us you'll be confronted with these challenges like but it's meant to prove your faith like I didn't understand any of that when I was younger and I would hear this stuff in like catechism you know ccd class or whatever they called it I didn't really get any of that but now that I'm starting to see the real experiences people have with evil with the unknown it kind of feels like that's what this is all amounting to is like we were given a kind of rubric, a guide. And maybe the conspiracy is that this guide has kind of been filtered or obscured or, you know, written in a different way. But do you get what I'm saying? like, because traditional religion doesn't kind of touch on this outright.

It does in the scripture. It talks about it in the books and whatnot. But the average pastor or preacher isn't telling people about this kind of stuff. It's not Christianity's fault. You kind of see what I'm saying? Like it's more of like the modern kind of cult of, of this knowingness, this, oh, yeah, we know everything about the world. this kind of like self-assurance is it's not what the bible preaches right you can kind of get where i'm going with that yeah yeah no i i mean uh you're preaching to the choir i uh no i think

we just we live in a very uh natural world uh and again what you're describing is that painting being torn open in front of you and you're starting seeing things different a lot of people are we live in a supernatural world. The culture doesn't leave room for that. And so when the supernatural happens around you, either you're crazy or people are going to tell you you're crazy. But the reality is I believe we are spiritual beings in a supernatural world. And for a long time, I was told, you know, body, spirit, soul, three things.

They're separate. and I always had a hard time understanding that. And I'm not saying that's not the case. Obviously, like, I have a body. And I think that there's something going on inside me. I don't understand the difference between spirit and soul all the time, but I kind of generically say, we are spiritual beings. And I think we're more spiritual than we are physical.

And it's hard to understand that because we live in this physical existence, which I do believe is a consequence of what, Genesis talks about with the fall of man. And as somebody who does look at everything in this vein, I'm starting to feel like maybe an example of that could be, again, I'm okay being wrong, is this idea that like Adam walked with God in the garden, right? There was this ability to exist alongside of the creator.

I'm refraining from saying physically because I think that there was a shift here when this whole thing happened I think there was this shift into a physical realm that we can't even fathom the spiritual realm we're still these spiritual beings but we're now shifted into this physical existence and I think that was part of the punishment

that was talked about women were going to feel child pain men were going to have to toil the earth and then there's like things like the thing that always comes to my mind is Moses, when God appears before him, he had to literally turn his face. Like, there's so many, there's a lot of examples of this where people, they can't be in the presence of God or else they would kill them. And it's like, if that's the case, then how'd Adam do it? How did that

happen? And the only thing I could think is that we literally existed differently before what the Bible talks about is the fall of man. And I think that, like, that existence was probably a lot more in tune with the spiritual existence than what we are now. We're still the same creation, but we live on a different side of that creation than what we once were meant to live on. And the whole story, I think, of the Bible is the human race and the story of striving to get close, of calling back to existing alongside of their creator. And so I think that we are spiritual beings living in a supernatural world and people like me talking about these things and giving credence to it and looking at it, I think we're doing a good thing. I think we're exposing that reality. And that's the whole

mission of what we do with the company, the guys that I have working alongside of me. Like, we're all very, very singular minded with our focus. And it's to show the world that we do live in a supernatural, we do live a supernatural existence. And, you know, we, we know, We're learning as we go. We're feeling it out as we go. We don't do everything right with these documentaries. With our spiritual convictions, we refrain from doing certain things. You're not going to catch us out there with a Ouija board.

You're not going to catch us out there trying to summon a demon. But there are times that we've been out there. And hindsight being 2020, I'm like, I wish we didn't do that. I feel like we sidestepped on there. and I think that we're going to not do that next time. You know, and so, you know, there's a movie a documentary coming out in 2025, probably in the first quarter of 2025, that I feel like that about at times throughout the documentary.

I feel like we, there's just certain situations that popped up that we could have handled better. But when you're in the moment, it's not that easy, especially when you're already invested emotionally into these topics to in a moment be able to, say, let's put the brakes on that one. And it didn't lead to anything. Well, it definitely led to some significant things that night. But I think the most significant thing that happened was actually weeks later. We felt like we left some meat on the table per se with what we did and how we accomplished that filming and we just felt like we needed to get back out there one more time.

And when we went back out there, it was like destiny had arrived. And, you know, I'm not even, like, we had some interaction in the woods that left me speechless and scared. Now, and this is coming out in 2025, this documentary you're referring to? Yeah, we're coming out the new documentary next month in May, but the one I'm talking to is coming out in 2025. And it's, I think that documentary is the best one we're ever going to come out with to date. And I say about every single one, but it's because we get better as we do this. Like when we did Exhibition Dogman, we didn't even know it was going to be a documentary. I didn't know.

I just thought we were going to make a YouTube video. And then, you know, these guys, you know, rubbed a turd enough. They're like, look, a documentary. like, oh, wow, that's really cool, you know? And then the shape of shadows was our first, well, my first time getting together these guys with the intent, we're going to make a documentary. Right. And so we're learning as we go, we're learning our methodology as we go and the process

and what we're willing to do or we're not willing to do. Like, for instance, we pray before we do a lot of stuff. We didn't put that on Exhibition Dogman. And I don't think we put it on, yeah, I don't think we put it on. Yeah, I don't think we put it on the shape of shadows. You did include at the beginning, which I really liked. You included Johnny's prayer, which was like sage cleansing. And I've been taught what he did.

My friend Amos taught me how to do that. You know, you pray to the four directions. You prayed to Father Sky, Mother Earth. However, you want to define those, you know, six directions, really. and then, you know, your ancestors, your give thanks. I mean, there's multiple steps, different ways to do it depending on the tribe. But I saw what he was doing. I was like, oh, okay, I know what that is.

So I loved that that was there because it kind of reassured me. I watched it really late last night. So it was a little already, a little spooky in the apartment. And I'm like, all right, let's see. What are we strapping into here? And I see Johnny doing the, you know, sage cleansing. And I'm like, okay, I think this is. is going to go in a good direction.

And it did, man. I was really impressed. As someone who's seen a lot of paranormal content, it's top notch. So folks, please go and check out the link. But I don't want to spoil too much more because you already told us a bunch of cool stuff. So people go and watch it. But the 2025 doc, you know, don't give too much away.

But tell us a little bit about what's coming out this next month in May because this episode will be out probably like two weeks before the release date. You said you're going to announce the release date soon. So after this episode comes out, you'll already have announced the release date. But yeah, what should people know about this new doc? What's it called? Yeah, so it's going to be called Sasquatch and the Missing Man. And it was a title that we had the hardest time coming up with. And now that we have, like, why was it that hard to come up with the title?

But it's just one of those things where we put ourselves in these environments to not know what's going to happen. We let it happen around us. And we were throwing a curveball during this one. It's going to come out May 5th. It's a Sunday,

and it's a world premiere. It'll be, you know, I guess what you can call VIP-only kind of thing where you can purchase tickets to the live event. It'll be a virtual live event. on May 5th. And it's about me and the team going to Washington State,

and we were going to look for the Bigfoot at a very notorious location. My buddy, Wes Kermmer from Sasquatch Chronicles, he had an encounter, I think, in 2012, about 12 years ago, something like that, where his father had passed away recently, him and his brother, just a blow off steam. go for a ride one night and they find themselves up in the mountains. I can't remember which

mountain it was out there, but, you know, one of these volcanic mountain areas. Um, but it's an area called sunset falls. And it's a beautiful area. Uh, they go up there late at night, uh, early morning, I'd say. And his brother kind of pulls the, the four by four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, a road. It was really overgrown and kind of pulls it off onto there and he stops. And they're just in there, I guess, you know, just talking or whatever. And they start hearing something coming in on them, uh, from all directions. And it starts, uh, kind of with just sounds of something walking to, uh, hearing deep guttural growls to the point that it feels like it's shaking the

inside of you, which I experienced out there. And it's not on the documentary, unfortunately, because it wasn't caught on film. Uh, Joel and I both had an experience where, um, again, learning processes. We only had one camera operator on this trip, and it was to our detriment because you're not able to catch everything from all angles. And so our camera guy had already got on the RV to film us getting on the RV, and Joel and I were the last ones to hop on. And as we were getting ready to hop on, there was this deep guttural growl that we both heard and felt it. And it was like, it felt like it should, something was right behind. As we turn around, there's nothing there. We looked around the RV. We didn't see anything. But West had that experience. They backed the car,

the Bronco out onto like the more quote unquote main road. It's still overgrown. It's still a gravel road. It's not like a cemented road. You're out in the middle nowhere. There's no phone service, nothing. They pull off to the side and that's when they actually lay eyes on these things. It's not just one. It was several of them. Walking across the road, climbing the trees in front of them. They were very aware that the vehicle is there and they were doing and acting in a way deliberately for the vehicle. They were acting very aggressive natures. At times, they felt like they weren't going to get out of there alive. The only way to get out of there was to go through where these things were, you know, toying with them at right in front, like right in front.

I'm not talking about like 50 yards away. I'm talking about like feet in front of the vehicle. These giants were walking around and acting a great. towards the vehicle. So we go up there to go to Ground Zero where this happened and do investigations. We get up there the first day we go up there. And we actually spent time with another woman who, so one of the things with Wes's story, which is really interesting, timely wise, is me talking to you. Wes said he wasn't in the Bigfoot when this all happened to him.

He wasn't on his radar. He said, he described what he saw. And he said that the one drop-down. down to all four in a blink of an eye. It didn't like crawl down on all four. It dropped down. Just like gravity faster than gravity, pull it can pull you down, just drops down on all four. He said it was on its fingertips and its toes. It wasn't on his palms. It was holding itself up and would walk across the road like that. And people, when he started talking about, they're like, Bigfoot doesn't do that. Blah, blah, blah, blah. They were pissed. They were like, you're a liar.

This is what I we saw. And so he's had to live with that for years until, again, the progression of the scene, how we talk about these things. More and more people come out and talk about this. Well, we had a lady on the documentary. It wasn't exact, but it was a proof of Bigfoot in that area doing other bizarre things where she talks about on Mount Hood. She came up, her and her boyfriend had come across a creature. They thought at first it was a person looking for mushrooms.

That's what they were there to go do. And this thing stood up facing her. And then it dropped down on all four. four but backwards. So its torso, the front facing torso was now facing the air and it's on its arms and legs. And keeping its face towards her on all four walks backwards up the mountain. And so like it's very weird, unnatural, supernatural looking motion. So she's in the documentary too. Also, just a few days ago, I had a picture sent to me of the first time I've ever seen this. there's a guy in Ohio

who has on game trail cam and he's been documented this for years Bigfoot activity on his property he has on game trail cam what he says is a juvenile Sasquatch on all four we call it the spider crawl because it gets down real low like a spider

and that's what West calls it and on game trail footage is a picture not a video there's this giant spider looking thing in this big field like in a grass area. And he said that this thing actually crawled up

onto his deck. And so like he's and I don't think he's phased by it. I think he's used to this thing. But this is the first time I ever saw a photograph of something similar. And I'm hoping I can get him on

to record with me before the release of the documentary as promotional type thing. But we go up there for that, right? And when we get up there that day, we noticed that we parked

the RV as far as we can get. We can't drive the RV any further, so we park it. And where we park it, there's like this sprinter van parked off in the trees. And it was just kind of like there by itself. It had snow covered on it. It looked like it had been there for a little while. So one of the guys walk over and they kind of explore this area. And it turns out it's somebody's camp. And there, it looks like it was fresh. Like fresh as in not there that long and also untouched. the guy whoever well we know it was a guy now um he left his his containers of weed laying out he left his bong laying out uh like a lot of weed and it like he had a he had a like one of those makeshift toilets out of a five gallon bucket wasn't even used so like it wasn't like he was

there that long um but he was nowhere to be seen and so we're like that's weird and then we're walking up the mountain more to where west had his encounter like maybe i'd say 200, 300 feet backs. It wasn't far from this guy's location. We see a shoe on the road there, like a Nike shoe. And we go and West shows us the area and we look around and he's talking about what they experienced that day. We go back down and we leave and we go back up at night. That campsite's still untouched. We still, we go through the night. We do our investigation. And we leave. we go and do investigations on Mount Hood. We actually even,

we even did a theater premiere of the Shape of Shadows in Washington while we were shooting this documentary. We sold tickets because we had 150 people show up to watch the Shape of Shadows in a movie theater. That was a cool experience. For me personally, I was like, wow, like this is kind of cool.

I felt like an actual filmmaker. And so like that night was, I think it was the last night we were out there. We did the premiere and we decided to go up to West's location one more time. And we were talking about like, what if this campsite is still there? Like, what do we do?

You know, and do we call it in? It's kind of suspicious. We knew the guy's name was John based off some tags that were on the vehicle. It's like a work vehicle. We get up there, still there, still untouched. And we're like, okay, weed's still there, bonged still there, everything's still there. And it's like, okay, we should probably call us in. And so I had Jack look up, my brother, Jack, he's my producer, and he was here in Tennessee

working like a slave while I was out having fun. And I told him to look up some phone numbers for us a call. He did. And we called it in. And we leave the trip and we, you know, we had some, that last night up there, by the way, we had, we had something came in on the RV, bro. Like, it was pretty bonkers. We had whistling outside the RV. We had something literally knocking on the RV wall that we actually caught on on, it, we, it's caught on video. We had the camera running, but it was so clear. It wasn't like a tapping. It sounded like it was inside the RV.

And I thought Joseph had knocked something over. And he looked at me and he was like, I thought that was you. And he's like, no, that wasn't me. I thought it was you. It wasn't me. And so we looked back and sure enough, you hear it. Knock, knock, knock. It was four knocks on the wall.

And we had a lot of activity that night, including the, the me having the growling that I didn't, we didn't count. on video, but, um, so that night was bonkers. And we all go back home. And Wes and I sit down on his podcast to talk about the trip. And we were talking about this suspicious activity that we found and, you know, possible missing person had a lot of missing four one one vibes. And we're talking about it. It turns out one of this guy, the guy we were talking about, his family, somebody and his family listened to the podcast, somebody that knew him listened to a podcast and talked. And told somebody else, long story short, this guy's ex-fiancee contacts us and I get on the phone with her

and she's like, I want to know where this vehicle's at, you know, that we've been looking for and all this stuff. And so we tell her and she winds up getting in possession of the vehicle and there's no answers. And about three or four months ago, I text her asking for any updates to see, because we're in production of the documentary and just see if there's any updates. And she had said that they had, um, the police had organized a search and they swept the entire area. And I don't know what that entails,

but it means that there's some kind of official investigation. They went out there looking for this guy, John. And, um, they didn't find John, but they found four other dead bodies out there. And I don't know how long they were there. I don't know if they were there while we were there. Uh,

I don't know what kind of shape they were. in, but there were four dead bodies in the area that they looked for John where his camp was, that we were at. But John wasn't one of them. And then just last week, we're wrapping up production, and actually production was wrapped. We get new information. Did you have to find out when you watch a documentary? Oh, my gosh.

I love it. Oh, people hate when I do that. But, no, I'll tell you. I was just kidding. Well, we are in the supporters only section of the show at this point. Yeah, I'm a blabber mouth. I got like literally 10 minutes for I have to go pick up my son. So I'll just tell you real quick.

Yeah. The police posted on their Facebook that a biker in that area just like a week ago or whatever, or we found it like a week or two ago. So I don't know how long it was. Recent. They found a human skull in this area. And they reported it. And they took a day or two for the police get out there.

because of weather conditions, because this is a very remote area. They get out there, they find the human skull and other body parts in the area. And they said that they suspect that it's this guy, John. I don't agree with that at all. I think the police know what's going on in the area. And I think that they're using this John Doe as a way to solve the John Guffie, what would I call it, like a missing person case. And so, because here's the thing, if it's in that area, they theoretically would have found it when they were searching and they didn't find John, but they found four other dead bodies.

And why is it that this, this is John that is in that area, either he offed himself or if slipped and fell, why is he in pieces? Like, why is he in pieces? And so if it is John, that's a big question to be had. Why is John in pieces? There's human remains found apart from the skull that we know was found because the person that reported said he found a human skull. So, like, if you want to go the non-paranormal route, I wonder if this area is a dumping

area for people that, you know, maybe there's a gang or mob or something, they kill people, they dump bodies there, and maybe John saw something that he shouldn't have saw and they they took care of John. There's a possibility with that. There's also a possibility that knowing what happened there 12 years ago with West, that because one thing that West said was that

he believed if he wasn't in a vehicle, that they wouldn't be here today. He believes just the fact they were in a vehicle kept these things from actually following through on what they were threatening physically to do. What if John was in his camp? And he was setting up camp

and these things came in, and he took off running. They got between him in the vehicle, so he goes a different direction, and they got him. I mean, it's not like it's going to be that hard to get somebody. These things are huge.

They move incredibly fast. And we did find that Nike shoe on the road. Was that Johns? I don't know. So there's a lot of questions to be had, but that's what the documentary is about, and people can watch it and watch the journey unfold

for the live premiere on May 5th. And then a few weeks later, probably two, three, four weeks later, maybe a month later, something like that, we'll release it officially on Merkelfilms.com is where we put our documentaries. And later this summer, we're going to have, we're coming out with our own movie. Like, it's not a documentary, it's an actual movie, acting involved, all that stuff. It's going to be called the Sasquologist. And basically,

it's about a biologist who is retired professor tracking the offspring of Patty, who is that famous Bigfoot from the Patterson-Gubman film in California in 1967. And he tracks the offspring bring to Colorado Rockies. And it's about this biologist trying to find these things. And it comes across interesting characters along the way. It's a funny, funny movie. It's a narrative movie. It will leave you crying at certain points.

It's an emotional movie. It's in the first five minutes. It grabs you. I'm very blessed to have that as the first movie of Mirkle Media. But we're just trying new things over here and seeing what happens. I love it. I love it, man. Yeah.

Wow. There's so much. I know you don't have that much more time, but I'm excited to see this new film, Sasquatch, and The Missing Man. One question, though, maybe I missed this. You didn't ever meet John. You just came across his campsite, right? But it was a coincidence that he ended up being a listener of the show or someone he knew listened to the show, right? Somebody that knew John listened to the show heard us talking about John.

Right. And then contacted his ex-fiancee who then contacted him. But you never met him. No, I've never met John. Right. No. Just came across his campsite. Wow, that's incredible.

Well, I'm excited to learn more and see how this all unfolds. I think you did such a great job with the shape of shadows that I'm excited for Sasquatch and the missing man. And of course, the Sasquatchologist, is that it? Sasquatchologist. The Sasquologist. The Sasquologist. Okay, cool, cool. I'll make sure I...

I still can't remember how to spell it. Well, yeah, that's not an uncommon issue. But when it comes to all of this stuff, Merkel.comedia is the place to go. The Confessionals podcast for all the updates. And you said May 5th is the premiere. So they could go and check that out at Merkel.comedia as well, right?

Yep. think of tomorrow, man. I figured to do it on a holiday. Awesome. Well, Tony, this has been great. I really appreciate any time you have the time to join us here on the My Family Thinks some crazy podcast. You are somebody who is validating so many people who would have been called crazy.

And for that, I champion you. And I don't think we even need to ask whether or not your family thinks you're crazy because they seem like they're all on board. You got your brother work in there. You got your dad on a podcast. Your kids are rock hunting. You're the man, Tony. I love it.

And, yeah, any final thoughts as we wrap up? Man, I just appreciate you bringing me on. I always enjoy talking with you. Whenever I hop on with you, I just kind of, I get an opportunity to have word vomit, and I just say stuff. And I always feel good after I've done talking with you. So hopefully it translates well to the audience.

I think it does. You're a fan favorite, at least the fans of this show. So folks listening, support Tony. Wherever you listen to podcasts, just search the Confessionals podcast and of course, mercil.