The Confessionals - EXCLUSIVE: Noah’s Ark Researcher REVEALS Latest Findings in Turkey | Slingshot Nation

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

What’s happening at the suspected Noah’s Ark site in Turkey? Tony sits down with the lead investigator of the Durupinar site for an exclusive interview about the latest developments and the ongoing search for Noah’s Ark.Slingshot Nation, we’re switching things up today. Tony had an opportunity to go straight to the source and talk about the news coming out of Turkey, so we’re bringing that conversation to you in place of our usual format. What are investigators reporting, what could it mean, and how close are we to getting answers about this mysterious formation?Watch the interview, hear the update firsthand, and let us know where you stand. Could the Durupinar site hold the remains of Noah’s Ark?Subscribe to Slingshot Nation and join the conversation.#NoahsArk #Durupinar #SlingshotNationTake Control of Your Money and claim $10 in US Stablecoin (USA₮)! Download now at http://wallet.rumble.com/Confessionals and use the code confessionals10.This is a paid advertisement for Rumble Wallet. Rumble is compensating me for this ad.Void where prohibited. No purchase necessary. Offer available to US residents only. Offer not available in New York State. Must be 18+. Offer is available for a limited time and for the first 500 wallets activated and funded. Details and full official rules available at http://rumble.com/promoofficialrules.Please consider donating to this breast cancer organization: https://merkmerch.com/collections/limited-time-offers/products/pattys-breast-friends-breast-cancer-awareness-teeIf you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890🚨 Join Our Exclusive Community🔗 Get early access to exclusive content: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheConfessionalsPodcast/join📕 Pre-order Tony's Book: https://a.co/d/0bJS3SaVSigns in the Heavens | End-Time Prophecy Conference: https://events.humanitix.com/end-time-prophecy-conference-26▶️ Tony Merkel YouTube Channel:  @tony.merkel  Watch 'The Counter: Season 2' first episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ0nsTkBwQ8Merkel Media Apparel: https://merkmerch.com/📰 Subscribe to Our Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/newsletter📚 Tony's Recommended Reads: https://slingshotlibrary.comAndrew Jones: https://www.noahsarkscans.com/If you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/gospelConnect With Us:🛜 Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com📧 Email: [e-mail]📢 FOLLOW US:🟣 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theconfessionalspodcast/❌ X: https://x.com/TConfessionals🔵 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast📌 Website: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com📚 Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/📬 Mailing Address:Merkel Media6726 Morganton RdP.O. Box #08Greenback, TN 37742🔔 Subscribe + hit the bell so you don't miss the live show.

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Maybe one day we'll actually start on time. We always schedule and then we sometimes bump up the video to go maybe 15 minutes later because we're running against it. Or today, we weren't running against it. We were on time. But yet we weren't on time. We weren't on time. I don't know how. We schedule it for 1130, and it's like 1133.

Now we're going to go live. Late is on time for Slingshot Nation. Thanks very much for waiting around. And I wonder, I do wonder, would the numbers be better if we showed up on time? Possibly. Oh, man, I hope everybody's doing great. We have a really fun and different show for you planned today. Noah's Ark, who was making the news this past week.

And we talked about Noah's Ark and the findings of the Derupinar site about a year, a year and a half ago with brother Rick Renner. He came in remotely from Moscow, I think is where he's at. He's in Russia. I think it's Moscow, though. He's a pastor of a church out there. And he's spent, I would say probably like a thousand hours walking on the Derupinar site, looking into it, investigating it. He's done different documentations of it. And I had a great conversation with him. And so the fact that the Derupinar site is now making the news is really encouraging for me because I'm somebody who loves biblical archaeology. And when you look at the facts of the matter when it comes to this site in Turkey, it's hard to get around that you are piling up a list of coincidences if you

want to deny that this could actually be possibly Noah's Ark. And I think we're going to add to that today. Before we get to the business, though, Derek, sir, how are you? Good, man. I'm excited. There's this new book coming out Tuesday that I pre-ordered, and I'm really excited to read that. Yeah, I did hear about that. But everyone watching, we appreciate you so much. Smash the like button. We love you. Always love everybody. I'm sorry. Jack, how are you, sir? Hey, it's Jack.

That was my bad. I dropped the ball on that one. I threw him off. Yeah. You looked over at me and Tony was like, uh, uh, I'm just trying to keep the show moving so that we can get you back to your girlfriend who's visiting. Nice. Very nice. Jack's lady is visiting and we're trying to make sure that he has time to spend with her while she's in town. Um, how's that feel, man?

How's it feel? Splendid. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's good, man. Like, there was a vibe shift that happened, like, when Jack got like a lady in his life.

And then even the other day, um, I'm just going to let go. I'm just going to let go. Because I, I, I, sometimes I say too much. And so I'm just going to let it go. Congratulations, Jack. Uh, she's a fine lady. See, this is where he needs to have that button ready. Yeah.

It's like, uh, technical difficulties. Yeah, yeah. But anyways, I'm glad you guys are here with me. And what we got in store today is we're going to be talking about the Derupinar site. But I also had a very unique sudden opportunity to interview just yesterday, the lead investigator of the Derupinar site. He and I connected remotely. He's in Turkey. The guy, if you saw on the news, the guy who is investigating and somebody broke into his apartment and stole all the data, stole his computers and all that stuff, that's the guy I talked. to yesterday. And we're going to play that interview onto today's show. So stick around. Don't go anywhere because him and I had about an hour and a half conversation all about this site. His investigations over the last 30 years essentially on the site leading up to what the things that are that they have found recently. And also we talked about people breaking into his apartment and what he's doing from that. It's just been a wild journey. I mean, everything goes viral and then he has that stuff happen. We cover it all onto today's show. Before we get into

everything, though, Derek brought it up and I'll bring it up to apparently there's a book coming next Tuesday that finally the time has arrived. I've been talking about a long time. And my book, The Confessionals, Exposing Warren Kingdoms, is officially being released on Tuesday next week. You can still do your pre-orders and you will get your book next week. And if you wait until next week, you can just order it on Tuesday and it'll be shipped out to you. But either way, I thank everybody for just the support in this process. It was actually painstaking. And I think that we'll maybe do it again in the future, just not the way I did this one.

This one was tough. So there might be easier ways to write a book. I don't know. They're going to occur, right? Yeah. But anyways, there's been people who have had early access to the book and they have given me good reviews and stuff. but I told them they had to. So, you know.

Money talks, me. Yeah. But yeah, so I'm very excited about guys. Thank you very much for the support in that process. And if you want to get a pre-order in, go ahead and do that now. Link in the description of this episode, or you can just wait until next week. Other way, is fine with me. All right.

I want to tell you guys, I'm very excited about this. There is a conference coming up that I will be at me, Larry Ragland, and brother Alan Dede. He had this brainchild. of doing a live show. It's called, our live show, a live event is called Signs in the Heavens. And it's going to be hosted at his church in Charlotte, North Carolina. The link in the description is to register for the event. Pastor De Deio is actually making this an absolutely free event. So all you have to do is register so they know how many people do expect and make sure they have enough chairs out, I guess. I don't know. I've never been to his church.

But it's a three-day event, October 23rd through the 25th, and October 23rd is actually my birthday. So if you come out, you'll actually be able to celebrate my birthday with me at this event. And it's all about, you know, disclosure and pointing people into the proper directions when it comes to acknowledging the realities of the world we live in. But you don't stop there. You actually have to keep pursuing this knowledge to the foot of the cross. And that's what we're going to be doing at his church. Jack, can you pull that back up? Mr. McClick. Did you lose it? Because I think, Tony, we need to get you some new head shots. So you look like Pastor Larry. I mean, come on. Look at the boss position he's in.

Oh, come on. Gotcha. You're gonna put, like, look at that. Oh. Yeah, you know. Look at the shoulder till. The chest out. He was like, he's like, he's like, I am your fearless leader.

Follow me into the crafts and we will, we will cut the heads off of these grace. Alan's got the gay, like the gaze, you know, the, the, yeah, like, Alan's stern, you know. Alan's like the the the theologian of the group. Yeah, the deep thinker. Yeah, he's like, okay, let's stop, pause and think about this for a second, guys. And did they shrink you? You look a little small. Maybe.

Wow. They're intimidated. Wow. They're intimidated. I think they're probably intimidated by my manliness. And so they had to just bring me down a little bit. It's fine. Down a peg.

Yeah. But no, I'm really excited about this. He brought it to me a couple weeks ago and I said, yeah, let's do it. And so we're doing it. And so if you want, you can come on out and be part of this, this just fun time. I don't, he actually just texted me before we started this live and he said at some point, probably this week, we're going to do a Zoom call and do a game planning session to really kind of hammer out details of how we're going to do it all. But it is happening, October 23rd, through to 25th and hit the link in the description to register and get your seat reserved for this free event. Free.

Yeah, three days on the free event. Listen, guys, we have the Tony Merkel YouTube channel now. I started probably like a month ago, I'd say, somewhere around there, and I keep forgetting to talk about it. So I'm talking about it now. It's just a landing spot that I'm going to be dropping my sermons that I preach over time. I actually have, I think, two more that I need to put up. And I think I'll drop one on Sunday if I have a chance to get it all together. But the latest video on there, prayer is a weapon, is the very first sermon I ever preached.

was scared to death. I pretty much read my notes the entire time. And I was very much like, I can't believe I'm actually doing this after 20 plus years of avoiding this, you know? Hey, man, wait, way to post it, though. Like, if I had my first sermon somewhere in the archives, like, dude, that's awesome. Well, the story and the narrative with it, you know, like that sermon I preached was on September 29th, 2004. Two days later, we released the Dark Shift episode, 692. And I preached a message. My very first message was on spiritual warfare. And then I had no idea going into that week was the, like, the turning point of a new level of experience in my own life. I needed that for myself. And then the second message on there, can you pull that back up at

some point, Jack? Yes. The second video on there that people will see, they believe before you see the radical faith one. That was my second sermon I ever preached. And that Sunday, I preached it the Tuesday before, so less than a week before I preached, was when Lindsay was diagnosed with breast cancer. And so pastor, he actually called me, or I was talking on the phone. He's like, hey, you don't need to preach this Sunday. And I was like, no, I have to preach this Sunday. Or else it's like giving ground to the enemy. So he has a blueprint on how to take me down. And so like I went and I preached and that message actually became like the message evolved. I was going to do radical faith, but I actually don't know if I was actually going to do radical faith.

Like the sermon just changed that week, this is what I'm trying to say because of what was going on. But it seems like every time I preach, there's a couple of things that happens. One, the message I needed as much as everybody else, and I don't realize it at the time. But also, like, there's these like tactics of the enemy where things kick up leading up to the sermon being preached or right after. Yeah. And every time I've preached, something like that has happened. They're like milestones, really.

Yeah. And like your walk. Yeah. So it's, but anyways, people can kind of go check that out. You can subscribe if you like it. If you want to follow and watch some of the sermons and stuff, just mind you, I have not preached a lot. I think in total I've preached five times in my life now.

So it's, it's all new for me. But speaking of the, well, let's just move into actually the idea with Lindsay. So she was diagnosed with breast cancer that week. And that was last year. This year, actually today is the start of breast cancer awareness month. And so we're trying to do something with that idea. Obviously, it's near and dear to my heart, Lindsay's heart, and, you know, all our hearts in here.

And so we want to offer, in fact, I was actually like Jack to hop in here because logistically, I don't want to mess this up. I know what we're doing here, but I don't want to mess this up as far as, like, how it's going about. So, Jack, if you could hop in here and just let people know what we're doing. so I don't mess up the details. That'd be great. Yes, sir. Let me take the reins here. So we're going to be doing a, so first of all, we have a new tote bag that's breast cancer awareness month. And we also have a new t-shirt

design. All of the proceeds that go that we get from the t-shirts and the totes are going to, is going to go towards the charity that Lindsay has chosen, which is breastconnect.org. They are, they handle, you know, a whole host of different things that women going through breast cancer have to walk through from, you know, giving advice to just, you know, mental and physical health updates and, you know, reassurance and all these things. And Lindsay had chosen that one for us to use for the donation. So we'll also put the link for the donation in the description so that if you feel inclined to and you don't want to buy anything from us, please donate to them.

it's near to Lindsay's heart, it's near to Tony's heart and my heart and everyone in this room. But also, everything that we, like we said, everything we make off of these shirts, we're not keeping it. We're donating to that cause. And then we're going to match anything that we make from that as well. And keep that shirt up there, Jack, as we go here, because I just want people to know, one, this, I believe it was Lindsay's idea. Yeah. You were talking, yeah, it was Lindsay's idea. So Lindsay came up with this design idea.

And also, like, the belief, so we have, if people who are listening and not, watching. It's a pink shirt with Patty on it, wearing a bra, which if you're a big footer, you know that the consensus is that it was a female Bigfoot that people saw that day and filmed. And so Patty's wearing a bra and underneath it says, believe, search, check. And that's actually, like, it's good. It's fun for the shirt and all that. But like, that's actually something that's very, like near and dear and emotional to Lindsay, obviously for obvious reasons. But one of the reasons is her doctor told her that she needed to start getting checked. I want to say when she was 35 or something like that and just like getting caught up with kids and life and being busy,

she actually didn't. And so like there's been there was a like a whole hurdle in the process for her mentally to overcome this idea of like could I have avoided it, you know? And so I mean, she's not like walking around crying and depressed. In fact, like I think people are often very surprised at how we handle things in-house. Like you guys even were at first when you first started hearing us talk about it because it's just reality. It's a matter of fact. We don't, we don't walk around, you know, in a depression state, you know. And so it's just what life is for us. But I think that she wanted the belief search check kind of thing on there because I know she wished she would have done it sooner because she thought maybe she could have avoided it. But literally God redeems all

things and and the the amount of advancement in our lives and our marriage together and our spiritual walk together separately like towards God has been like amazing in this season and so even though it's a crappy season he redeems it for his purposes but yeah so this is this is something that we're doing and if people want to you know get one of these pink shirts and stuff just know that your money's going towards you know a good cause Right. And so just to real quick, some housekeeping. So this will be available online either today or tomorrow for pre-order. We're going to do a very quick pre-order to make sure that by the end of next, or not the end of next week, probably what, Tuesday or Wednesday next week. We're going to close the window for the pre-order. And then we're going to ship them out and have them done very promptly. So that way, anybody who ordered them will get them before, you know, the month's over. Yeah, before the months over. Before mid-October. The toads, however, are in-house, so we can, we'll ship them out if you would like a to-

Right away. Yeah. Exactly. So, along with that, just let people know, this design came together. It was a process, but we finalized the design moments before we went live. That's why it's not on the website. So if you're interested now, please keep that interest until it gets on there. We'll try to get it up today if we can, definitely by tomorrow.

But it's just something that we want to be able to do for many reasons. So last but not least, I want to let people know that the counter, well, what's the counter? Well, that is a, I don't even know how to call it because like it's produced like a TV show, but it's not a TV show, but it kind of is. It's on different TV networks that are streamed online. But the counter is a show that Pastor Troy Brewer thought of as a way to create something really cool for people that generates revenue to help fight human trafficking. So if you don't know Pastor Troy, he has officially saved over 13,000 people out of human trafficking over a 30-year period. And that's his ministry. That's what they do. Like he has a pastor of a church,

but if you're not about fighting human trafficking, you're not going to fit in at his church because everybody there, that's what they're about. And he, to make a long story short, he was on, I believe on a hunting trip when he just had this idea pop in his head of creating a show where him and his friends, different pastors, myself, come on to a panel and it's produced like a TV show and we talk about a lot of things that don't normally get talked about at church, like Nephilim.

We had a whole episode about cryptids, which I heavily talked about. I was like, they're like, this is the topic for cryptos, and they all looked at me and like, go. Witchcraft. And so this is the second season of us doing this. And I just want to say, like,

so the first half, it's an hour-long program, And the first half hour is always on YouTube. And then second half is behind his service, ODX.TV. And by doing this last year, he had, I think, I want to say he had like two, three, maybe four thousand subscribers to ODX.tv when we started season one. By the end of season one, he had 19,000. Wow. And so it takes, it takes $2,000 per person saved.

So like a month. So like every time you save somebody, it costs about his ministry about $2,000 to house that person, keep that person alive, feed them, raise them up because he saves children and then they raise them. And it's like his whole ministry that he's built up. And so it costs a lot. And he even said, like finding the people is not the problem. It's like, what do we do with them when we find them? Because there's not systems set up in other countries for this. In our country, there's barely a system set up. Like it's pathetic actually. And so it takes a lot of private sector type things like private ministries to do this. And so the counter of season two dropped Tuesday this week. Episode one is about witchcraft and witchcraft in the church. And I was on that one. So I'm not on every episode. Me and Brian Schwartz rotate back and forth. And so he covers some topics.

I cover some topics with them. But season two is officially underway. And if you want, go ahead and check it out and watch the YouTube version. you feel inclined as you want the rest of the episode and also support fighting human trafficking. Go over to ODX.tv and sign up. And then you can watch all the episodes in full and really just have some satisfaction in saving human lives, like literally saving people. While listening to awesome conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So season one, I was super nervous. Season two, I was a little bit nervous, but I was much more comfortable. I'm growing into

my skin, you know? So, but yeah, guys, those are the announcements. I know we just spent a little bit longer than I would have liked to be on the announcements, but a lot of good stuff coming up here. The book, obviously next week, the event that we're doing for free in North Carolina, the Tony Merkel YouTube channel, the Merckmerch.com with the breast cancer awareness merch that we're doing with the pre-sale. And obviously, let's save some people from human trafficking with the counter. So those are the announcements before we get into the great stuff and the interview coming up. Derek, I hear you have something you have to talk about. And you know what keeps this show free?

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So Noah's Ark, it is something that, like I said, I've been just really excited about the seeing the fact that it has just been blowing up recently in news, like globally. And, you know, the Daily Mail came out and said 100% confirmed this is Noah's Ark. And I think one of the first things I said to him on the interview, people are going to hear today shortly, actually, because I don't want to spend much time of us talking. I just want to get to the conversation that I had with him. I said to him,

I imagine if that's not 100% true, you probably cringed when you saw the title. Well, I mean, like, let's look at it. Okay, so, like, what are the check marks? Mount Ararat? Is it at Mount Ararat? Yeah, lower mountains of it. Lower mountains of Outerror.

Is it the length of a random ship? Not just a random ship. It's the proper length for the ship. And what about the width? Which is 515 feet, I think. I think the width also qualifies. Yeah. Correct.

And so there's like all these really interesting features to this that actually line it up very well. Yeah. It lands in the location that the Bible says this is. It measures the same measurements. There's all these anomalies under the surface that don't seem to be natural. Him and I talk about the 90-degree. degrees angles and how like these 90 degree angles, it's like one, if you have one 90 degree angle,

that can be something that naturally occurs. Like a rock broke and it happened to break in a 90 degree angle. When you have a massive amount of them all in one location, that's not normal. It's built. And then you have, like, we even talked about the location and the surrounding area, the names in the surrounding area. Like the one town, I think a little bit up the mountain is, is the name of it means the location, the black bird won't land. And it's like this idea of like, like, Noah is sending out the bird. Yeah. And so like, and then like even a valley, I think he called it like the valley of eight or something that. And he asked the people like, why is it called the valley of eight? And they're like, and he's like, well, maybe I know, you know, because according to scripture, there's eight people that

came off. So there's just so much of that kind of stuff. And I would like to go through just some pictures that we have preset here so that people can have visuals as they hear the discussion because on this conversation I have with Andrew, his name's Andrew Jones. When I have this conversation with him, we're not putting up pictures

while I'm talking to him, and I just did this yesterday, so it wasn't really produced like we normally would. So I just want to show people these images. So this one here is, I believe it's a, actually, I don't know what this one is, so move on the next one.

It's one of the scans. I forget what, of us call it. So this is a drogue stone. Actually, go back to those, Jack. Let me see if I can pull up where I pulled those images. I think I closed the browser. Okay. So there's a good job, Tony.

But these are like imaging scans and... Wow. So they have like matching lengths and right angles. Yeah. Yeah. And so go do the next one, Jack. The next one, Jack. Well, actually go back to that one. So that one's

just kind of showing you room like potential room sizes. Yeah. You know. So go to the next one. These are the drogstones. If you've listened to the show and watched the show a long time, I talked with Rick Renner about this.

But these drogstones are found in that area. Rick Renner says 26 of them leading up to this site. And drogstones are big giant boulders that they would hang off ancient ships to help stabilize the ship while the ship is in the water, especially in turbulent waves. So as they were coming in from there. Because it wasn't sailing anywhere. It was just floating. Yeah.

As they're coming in for a landing, they cut the ropes and allow the ship to come in for a landing that way. Next one, Jack. So this one is ground penetrating radar, the GPR. And I think they did this back in 2019, showing the different cavities, which this was actually unlocking a lot of the research we have now. Like it gave really grounds for other people to come into research.

and also funding that now might be coming in, and we talk about this on the show, but it might be coming in from higher, bigger pockets, let's put it that way, which would be great for them. Go to the next one. There we go. This is what I'm talking about. So when he, on the interview,

starts talking about the cavities and the tunnels that they have found, this is what he's talking about at this site. There is this clear structuring within this area that shows that there's like order to it. The next one I think will show it even better, Jack. Maybe. If you put it in.

No, okay. So these are the drills that they were using recently that this was past week. They were drilling and there was a broken drill bit and that the guy was holding. So when you hear us talking about that visually, this is another tunnel situation, but there's another one that I want to pull up. Not that one. That one, I think.

No, go back. That one. Yeah, I think it was that one. I didn't know which. They are not in the specific order. Is there another one after the one you just showed of the Skyvians? Okay. Anyways, there's these imagings that show like this, the tunnel structures.

And so as in like hallways, you know, there's intent. There was like something that was built and is there, you know. And so unless, you know, Epic of Gilgamesh and Gilgamesh heard about Noah's Ark and decided to go to the mountains of Ararat and build his own Noah's Ark. as a tribute to what supposedly happened there. This is probably Noah's Ark. That's how I look at it. That's fair.

So yeah, pull us back up. Those are some of the images. I just wanted to flash to people leading into this conversation. And like I said, I don't want to spend a lot more time here. I want to get to the conversation. This is a different Slingshot Nation Live. You're not going to see the crew here as much as I want you guys to see this conversation, hear the conversation for yourselves with Andrew Jones,

I would say one of the leading investigators of this site for the last. last 30 years. He started in 97 out of college. He was just fascinated by. I went to visit. And then he just couldn't stop coming back. And now I think he's living there full time. So like this was, this is a life mission of his. And we had a great opportunity. I had a great opportunity to spend time with him yesterday talking. And I gave him my phone number. And he said when he's stateside, he'll come in studio. And we'll talk about more of this and archaeological sites that he takes people on tours of that are not this. He's found a lot of stuff in the Middle East. that are biblical sites that he takes people to

and shows them with their own eyes, things that scripture talks about. And so it's really cool. Jack, without further delay, thanks very much, everybody for tuning in. And let's get to the recording with me and Andrew Jones right now. All right, today we have Andrew Jones on the show. Andrew, sir, thank you very much for joining me

on such last minute notice because you have been making your rounds. Yes, it's been a crazy summer, but the last two weeks, This story has gone viral and we're trying to finish up the season of research. We had bear grills out here filming with us. It's been hectic. Angel Studios been out here. And now all the news and podcasters, everyone wants to know what is happening at Noah's Ark?

We found it. Yeah, I mean, years ago, actually, that's how I feel. That's me speaking. But I want to know, before we get into the current times, like, how did we get here? because you're saying it's been a busy summer, people visiting, you know, Bear Grills, Angel Studios. You and I were just talking about our mutual friend Rick Renner. And like, so you're, you are constantly investigating this site, the Derupinar site.

And what got us to the point now where this is blowing up the last week or so, where the whole world is talking about Noah's Ark and how it's even, I think one publication said it's a hundred percent confirmed. I don't know if you would say that or not. but I saw it was 100% confirmed. And I was thinking if he doesn't think it's 100% confirmed yet, he probably cringed when he saw that. Well, so how do we get to this point?

I don't know. You know, again, we didn't put out a press release at that time. We have this summer, but they made it go viral. To me, it's all what God wants in his timing. We did not force the news media to contact us or people start posting on social media. You almost could say that with the convergence of technology and with social media,

everyone can now share news quicker and not have to go to the official news source. You don't have to wait for the 5 p.m. news on ABC or whoever. You just can go on Internet and find out someone live doing archaeological work or geological work on Noah's Ark. So that has helped the story to go viral. People just copying it. And then with AI, they easily make their own images

and so now one image I had a beard and had more hair, and I was thinking, oh, this is great. I thought, but that's an AI image of me. Why don't they use the original? We put it in the press, you least. Someone changed it with AI. So, you know, if you look back when the site, you said it's been in out of the news,

you know, the site was discovered in 1959. So this is not new. We didn't discover Noah's Ark. The site was discovered by Captain Durupinar. That's why it's called the Durupinar formation or Noah's Arc site. And he was an Army Captain, and he was doing cartography, making maps for the Turkish military, and he sees this boat-shaped object on 9-11, it was in 1959.

A month later, they released the first images, the worldwide attention, it gets American Christians excited. They form an expedition, a group of them, and they team up with Captain Durupinar. They come out in June, 1960, and the reports of that are written up in Life magazine, 1960 in September 5th. Inside, there's a short little report, but it shows the people on the arc site. News kind of dies down. The 10 years of efforts by Ron Wyatt, a controversial explorer, but he went out there and, through his credit, started doing scientific work on the ark and getting the media interested again and tourism.

So the government, after his 10 years of work in 1987, they built the visitor center that you see still standing there. That's 40 years later still there. And in this visitor center, we have all this information. But it wasn't until this spring where we. brought him the Turkish archaeologist. And he was able, our new friend, Professor Dr. Jinker Attila, an archaeologist under Sevas,

Jumet University, he got the permits. And even meeting him on site here in Turkey, I just felt like, wow, this is someone who, in the past we had many people claiming they can do something for us and scamming us tens of thousands of dollars. But this guy, without any of our money, went ahead in over a month period,

got the permit. And there was a unanimous decision by the government. So it's like this is the right time. God is arranging the right person to be in charge. The government says, in fact, Professor Janker asked me, Professor Janker Attila, he says, Andrew, what do you want to do on this site?

And, you know, he's a classical archaeologist. He's a Roman, Greek archaeologist, worked at Pergamum. He's published. New York Post had a story about him in January, I think it was, because he found something that backed up some classical writing about ancient medicine

and Pergamum. Anyways, he wanted me to write up the project plan. I'm saying, okay, I'm going to throw everything in. What do we want to do? Strike on the iron's hot. So I put in cordially to 75 meters, you know, 300 feet, put in different types of geophysical, non-destructive scans, the latest technology.

We threw everything we can. We didn't do everything this year because of budgets and time constraints, but we have a season two hopefully coming up. But God blessed it so that when he submitted that permit, within two weeks, we got approval, unanimous decision by the commission that approves these type of work on National Park land and no changes.

They only asked him one question. They said, why do you want to drill 75 meters at the site? And he understood he knew why I put that in, so he gave a good answer, the correct answer, and they approved it. and with no changes at all. As we started, this was end of May when we got the word, I was doing a tour of the seven churches,

and I was driving around there was some tourists who knew, they came with me from Noah's Ark, these, actually only two tourists from Australia, and we were so excited. The professor tried to call me, and I'm driving, so I ignore the call. Then my friend, a local friend here, calls me, said, Andrew, you need to look at the messages.

We just got the official permit to do the work. And I didn't know what I was thinking. I was just kind of numb because 30 years gone, the tourist originally in 97, it came out here. But over time, trying, you know, one step forward, two steps back, getting some work done in 2019. I was here witnessing the 2014 ERT scans. It was here when the government scanned it again in 2022 and 21.

But never this type of work with a big group, international team that's coring into the site. hopefully settling what's below the ground. And so it's been like when that started, when we got that permit, it's been a crazy summer because they had to start the work in July. So we had one month to start fundraising, start planning.

People criticize us online a lot for different reasons, whether they're atheists or just don't believe it's no Zarch. But some people said, well, why are you still fundraising? And it's because everything happened at once. It's kind of hard to fundraise if you don't have a permit. People say, well, you may not get one. Why should I give you some money to do the work? we get the permit, but then we only have one month because the Turkish archaeologist,

they have to come out here and work only when they're off-season, which is July to September. And so it's been crazy what we've been able to accomplish through God through this effort that now it's just blowing up at the end of the fieldwork that I can't get away from it. Like look on social media, Facebook and TikTok and these other sites, you're just scrolling through, and it's like tons of AI images, video clips of ours and the news. So, yeah, nothing, I didn't imagine it would happen like this, nothing we did to get it to this point.

That's wild. I mean, so like you said 97, so you've been spending a big chunk of your life heavily invested in this site, obviously believing it to be Noah's Ark. In that period of your life, it has to feel like at certain points, you're like, is this ever going to happen? And then you kind of get that second wind and you wake up and you're like, I don't care if it never happens. Every day I get to walk on Noah's Ark.

Like, I'm just going to keep working this. From my perspective, I look at what's going on right now. As somebody who has talked about the site for years, I had brother Rick Renner on the show and he did a great job breaking down things. I feel like, you know, I put that episode out. And why didn't it get teeth then? And I feel like there's a divine nature here as to, like you mentioned several times now, God's timing. Do you have any thoughts on that aspect?

Like you're living in a historic moment. Do you feel like God is pulling back the cover on something because of maybe what's around the corner for humanity, the church, and we need something that could root us in the scripture in a way that maybe opens up doors to other things? because that's how I view it. I kind of view it in a sense where, like, if this is actually proven to be true, it becomes a huge domino that falls and makes other things fall in line

that then people who maybe spend their whole life wondering, I don't know, I don't really believe scripture, I don't really believe that, you know, there's a God, all of a sudden they're like, I don't know if I can deny it anymore. You know what I mean? When you look at biblical archaeology in general and the different discoveries that are always, to me,

It's never conflicting with the Bible. It's adding more light of what the text is saying. When you look at Noah's Ark, it's a very controversial topic. Obviously, if you're atheist, this is a story that can't be true. 100% can't be true. When I talk to some people, they look at me like, you're looking for Santa's house in the North Pole. That's how amounts to disbelief. So I can understand that point of view and the criticism because they don't believe in the story to begin with.

But then you look at those who are Christians. And as a Christian, like you, I know the story is true. I don't need to find a physical object to prove my faith. It affirms my faith, but I don't need that. Other people do, though. And I know that if you look at the tools God has given us to witness the people, whether it's friendship and evangelism, whether it's the Word of God and prophecy or other aspects, I believe science and archaeology helps.

And it's a tool that we could use for different people. Look at doubting Thomas. I always bring this up when people talk about this. You have the Apostle Thomas who needed. physical, you can say, sithetic proof that Christ resurrected. Now, God didn't say, oh, you don't believe, you should believe by faith.

I'm not going to prove this to you, too bad for you. No, he actually showed himself to Thomas, and he could see that Christ did resurrect. And of course, you know, God said, blessed are those who see without, you know, or believe without seeing. And so, but for Thomas,

he was able to show physical proof of a miracle or something happened. If you look at the story of Noah's Ark, it's a miracle. You know, how does, the whole world gets destroyed, but one family survive in a boat with all these animals. This sounds like a fable. But here we are looking at something that, as you're saying, it will provide evidence for those looking for truth at this time in history five years ago, maybe or 10 years ago or 100 years

ago. It wasn't the right timing, whatever reason. But now when you have social media, you have AI, you have all these things happening around the world. And people are very uncertain with the economy. economy and regional wars, and fake news and whatever you want to call it, you know, you have uncertainty in the world. If you could find something where God said this happened, here is physical proof,

I think it will shake the world. And again, the viral nature, what's going on right now, I've never seen this. We've been in the news like last year talking about the soil samples we did that showed three times more organic matter. it's been the news before when their ERT scans came out in October of November of 2019. It just kind of went viral, the 3D images. But today, I've never seen where you're just constantly scrolling through. I'm just like, maybe those I like these stories.

It keeps feeding it to me. So it's a cycle here. But at any rate, even people around me in Turkey, Turkish news is always talking about it. The professor who's here right now, actually, he just got finished with the interview with Cien in Turk. early this week I had DHA, I had TRT, Turkish government agency news agencies, interviewing me and the locals are sending me the stories. You know, they're in Turkish or they have my voice in Turkish. But everyone from kids work in the barbershop to older people, they see me and say,

Haber, you know, which means news in Turkish, and they point and they say Newhungimsy, which means Noah's boat. So it's very interesting, not just an American or Western, news in Turkey you have this this viral nature and I talked to others and they said from where they're from it's taught it's you know I think one was in a Korea or somewhere that they had the same effect where they're saying that people are talking about Noah's Ark and I um you know maybe Noah will be on the cover of Time magazine as a person of the year you know it's just like this is the right time for it yeah that's wild um and you know before I go any further into this conversation

and what you just said, I'm just curious, because you're talking to somebody who's the only time I've ever traveled out of the country, I'm very uncultured, was, I went to Niagara Falls once. And so, like, I didn't go very far. But when it comes to you being in Turkey the last 30 years, what is the take of people in Turkey when it comes to this idea of Noah's Ark?

Is this something that they, in their religion? Because I think, what, Turkey is, what, 98% Islam? I think, something like that? it's a heavy it's a big time islam which is crazy because you're talking about the seven churches like at one point it was the hub of christianity um but like what is the take on the idea of uh noah's ark in general and is this something that they're hesitant to let you explore unchecked like i'm surprised that government's allowing this to begin with i think there's multiple aspects of that first uh turkey you know turkey now it would just be the ottoman empire they're uh they could call it a second

Islamic country. It's heavily moving to more traditional based on the current government. So you have Islamic schools starting up. So if you have these religious schools, people do believe in Noah's Ark. Noah is a prophet in Islam. What there's controversy over in here is that in the Quran, Noah lands the boat of Noah, Noah's Ark, lands on Mount Judy. But it doesn't say Mount Judy, actually. The Quran's in Arabic. It says Al-Juddy. El Judy. Judy, according to all the local geographers I've talked to here, professors of geography, geologists, even local people in this province, they said, oh, we have no problem with the drop in our site here by Mount Ararat, because Judy means, just like, you know, as Christians, we point to the term in Genesis 8-4, which says nozark landed. It says mountains, plural. It's a big region. Airat's the name of an ancient kingdom, or Ratu. In English word, it was Ararat. It's like me. saying today, Nozark landed in Canada, the mountains of Canada. It says in the Bible, mountains of Ararat, this kingdom. And in the Quran, it's similar. So Judy is a mountain range.

The Judy itself in Arabic is a high place or highland area, no high plateau. So he's basically saying it landed in the high mountains. It's not a specific peak. Now, you have a traditional Mount Judy in southeast Turkey. You have a traditional Mount Arat, but if you read the text, it doesn't say that. And so you have people here who have no problem. with Noah's Ark being right here. Others do. Others say, no, no, this is a Christian site. No, the real site is at 300 or 200 kilometers south of here by the Iraqi border, the traditional duty.

In regards to the government, though, well, if you think about it, you know, I don't know how involved the government is and things like this. I think they're more involved in how the messaging affects the country, their image around the world, because they're based on tourism out here. So you do have people who are very keen on promoting this, is Noah's Ark. They can see the tourism dollars. You have others wanting to control the messes because they think it's jumping the gun or this is not true. Like Noah's Ark would be somewhere

else or it doesn't, you know, you have atheists here too. So people say that's a, you know, a fable. So in the government, we get mixed feelings. You have people just gung ho. Tomorrow we have the local governor for this province doing a press release. I'm invited to it. Then we have a dinner with the governor. I don't know what's in the press release or where they're going to talk about, whether he's going to declare nozark is found, like the Daily Mail said. I don't think it'll do that. But the professor flew in for it. The other archaeologist, the other vice president, he flew in, and then I'm here still.

So it's 3 o'clock Turkish time. Whatever comes out of it, we have some foreign press. A lot of Turkish press will be there. Again, I don't know what he's going to say. But, you know, we'll find out. But he's positive. He's helpful with our project. some of the presidential advisors in this country

have called the Turkish professor and said, we're supporting you, thank you what you're doing for Turkey and continuing this research project. Others are more controlling and say, did you really find Nozari? Don't say that or don't do this and that. They're watching our accounts.

We're starting to be very careful on social media because the professor said that they are monitoring because Nozark scans is not legal. We are partnered, signed contracts with the university. And so what we put on our social media does affect, is this working? I just got a heads up saying reconnect.

You're still on with me. Oh. Can you still hear me? Hit that, but yeah, I hear you. I don't know. Just popped up saying reconnect. It popped up for me too, but we're still good. Okay.

You can edit that out. So I think what's going on in the government, you just have a mix. It's like in America something is discovered. You don't have all the politicians making a statement. But this is worldwide news. And so that's what got the interests of the Turks is that you have around the world this viral news. And even the locals are telling me they've never seen something like this. I don't think they can control it.

I do know that they tried recently. They've said, okay, if you're going to film at the site, you need a permit. It has to be through all these different agencies, like a three-week process, thousands of dollars. If you're going to do even a news interview, the news organization has to get a permit. Even Turkish, was there doing an interview where they got in trouble. They had to make some phone calls and get clearance to do the interview because they didn't do the proper steps ahead of time. But they said they never had this issue before with other sites. Only here suddenly they're wanting to control the message a little.

And maybe that's expected because you have this worldwide attention now, and they're wondering, did we really find Ozark? The fact to the professor, he says he's getting so many calls and emails from officials and colleagues asking, mainly because that daily mail headline, but there's people saying stuff online

and they wanted to make sure, like, what happened? What did you guys find? And we're still in the process of analyzing our data. And I can tell you what we didn't find, which to me proves the site is more legit, but we'll talk about that later. But yeah, you know, that's kind of the feel here, is that everyone, just like you guys, probably

like, wow, this is going viral. Yeah. I mean, you're talking about viral. I think it was about two years ago. I interviewed Rick and he wanted to talk about his new book. I have it here, actually. It's not his new book anymore. He's had other ones, but Fallen Angels, Giants, Monsters, and the World before the flood.

And he pretty much spends the first chapter on Noah's Ark and then moves on. I didn't want to move off of Noah's Ark. And we spent most of the episode talking about that. Awesome. And so we made an Instagram reel back then that did really well. And it was one of our top performing reels. And I text my guy and I said, hey, man, like with what's going on in Turkey, I said, I'd like for you to go to the old episode and make another reel to kind of show people what's actually what we know to be true from the interview.

And what he did was he just took an old interview we did, the old reel we made, which was talking about the drogstones, he posted it and it just snapped. And it went like right now it's at 1.4 million. The next one he posted was talking about the underground radar, 6.8 million. And then and then he posted another one two. And it was in about three days.

I think it's been three days. Oh, man. Wow. So like you're talking about the virality. Like this is a huge deal. And that's why I feel like you can walk in confidence. So I want to get into some of the controversy that you personally experienced in this whole process.

But like you can walk in confidence that one, we both establish that it's like almost like a divine thing. It's like this, we are in a season where God is allowing things to happen, pulling back the page. And because of that, you have all this virality happening right now. You can kind of walk in confidence and say,

listen, I'm doing what God has called me to do in my life. And I am walking this out in faith. And because I'm doing that, he's going to meet me, he's going to provide for me, he's going to take care of this because this is actually his story. It's not even mine. And so, like, you have a whole level of faith. You can walk in with this and know that it doesn't

matter what happens tomorrow with the press conference. Like, God has clearly been showing that he's in control of all of this. And it's been really wild to see because we can actually, we can actually sit here. And in hindsight, you know, say years down the road when all this shakes out, we will be able to say we were alive the moment that pertaining to the Noah's Ark, God said now. You know? Like, like, and this gave me chills right now thinking about that. Like, like, literally the flood gates open for a second time.

And just the momentum of the arc gets shot up. And like, just like the flood waters. And it's all because he, just like the first time, now is determining when the flood happens. And so it's just really exciting for me to see as just a fanboy over here. No, Noah's Ark. But let's get into some of this evidence. So I know that you guys been doing your research, the current stuff and that's been making news.

But leading up to this, what are, what's some of the evidence? And there's been a lot. But like, what are some of the things that for you stand out as to got you to the point where you believe that this is Noah's Ark? And it caused you a life of pursuing proving that to the world. So what has got me to think it's Noah's Ark? And then why did I, and then how did that make me stay out here? So I'm not living here 30 years.

So my first truck was in 97. So 97 I was in college, second year of college. I was, like God knew that last semester of that second year I was done with college. I wanted to travel. But a friend contacted me and said, hey, let's go see Noah's Ark. I need a travel companion. I didn't have any money. I had no job.

I was just going to college full time. And my parents, thankfully, after some begging, they footed the bill. And I heard about Nozark, again, back, or backing up in 1990, 91. I was a middle school kid, 13, 14 years old. And I heard about it through the guy named Ron Wyatt, who has passed away already. But at that time, he had just finished up, you know, a decade of research. And he was doing seminars across the country. And he came out to Sacramento when I was living.

and it was a school night. It was Thursday night. I remember that it was a one-night, like, lecture. He came to this church nearby. My father, I asked him, can you go hear this guy? You know, no one was going to go to it, but my father did. And I'm glad he did because he came back and said, wow, this guy said they found no his ark and other things. And so I was very excited because I was interested in an archaeology in general. And my father had some of these books that Ron had used to, you know, to get his research going, like the art file by Reni Norberg. And we had a whole chapter. Reni was on that trip in 19. 60, this Dutch author, reporter, and Rennie wrote the Life magazine report on September 5 edition that Ron saw. And in this chapter of the Arkfile book, published in 76, I think, or 75, he lists everyone involved so Ron could contact them, say, like, how do you get out there? And he also has these quotes from some of the people who were there. Well, this whole episode where Ron, or he was a decade of Ron's research, then he presents it at a local church. and my father tells me about it, I then have to pursue it. So I buy a book from Ron and David Faseld, who helped Ron.

And to me, it convinced me like, okay, there's something legitimate. I was as a kid, though, but I wanted, you know, it's like a novel, like a detective series where you're trying to figure out something. This is pre-internet. So you can't even research. There's no AI.

There's no Google search. You're looking at it in the bookstore, bookshops in the library. So I was a bookworm and, you know, hours in the library. And I remember I bought books. both the books, David Fausel, Ron White, and then I called them.

And that started a conversation that lasts until they both passed away in 98, 99. And I, but during that time, I met Ron twice. We brought them out to our churches in Sacramento, 95 and 96. And then one year later, I got this opportunity from a friend who said, let's go see the Hazard, Canaan,

the Travel Companion. And when I first came out here, I felt like the Wild West, you had all these horror stories from Ron where people could rob you and try to kill you. and this is not like going to Paris or something. And this is the internet was just starting up, so you had some email access,

and maybe, I don't know if you even had websites at that time in 97, maybe. But I do remember that we did a lot of homework, and Ron gave us a lot of tips. Once he found out we were going, he recommended we don't go. But when we did, he gave us a lot of information, even gave us posters to put on the wall

of the empty visitor center. This is 10 years after they built this building. Still nothing, you know, still nothing was in it. But we put these posters, up. There's one older man running the place, one table, one chair inside. The guy serves as a chai tea. And it felt like the place was abandoned. Like Noah's Ark is there on a hillside. Today you see trees around, there's sheep and people. Back then, it just felt like it was a lonely arc, a lonely boat on the hillside. And I knew I had to come back. You know, I came as a tourist.

But I didn't move here until, you know, fast forward the story. The pandemic hit, and I was here visiting a friend into February 2020. And we had September or October, so whatever that is, four or five months before, we had just finished a science channel one hour special filming expedition at the site, and they were filming our GPR work. Ron did the first work in the 86, 87, 88. You had Dr. Baumgartner and Dr. Byrock Tutan, those two are still alive doing their radar work in 88. That was it. Like, you had that stuff in the 80s kind of died down. Ron passes away, Fasel passes away. And I'm out here now with a film crew, and we're using digital radar.

And this is a random company that acquaintance emails me and say, hey, what's going on? Can I help? We got permits to do work. I tell this guy. I didn't know this guy. And can you help us? He said, I know the vice president of this company. They do radar.

And so that sets up the whole radar trip in 2019. That generates all the press we have in 2023, 24, and even last year and into this year, people still talking about the right angles we found, the voids, the tunnels, the big rooms, you know, probably filled a silt, but still preserved, structure, anomalies in a pattern, not randomness when they're looking below the soil with these type of like cat scans, you know, radar. And so that leads into this year where God just opened the doors and everything happens. but I think what pushed me being able to talk to the original researchers,

Ron and Fasled, even the critics, and I understand how they went through all the opposition they faced. For me, as a kid, as an outsider in high school and not even planning to go see Noah's Ark so reading as much as I can and calling these people, it was like a puzzle, and I really believed in the story.

I grew up as a strong Christian family background, but I was interested in the Bible so much that even made up my own genealogy chart, just going through all those verses, begat, begat. Because I helped me understand, like really deep into the word, especially the Old Testament, seeing how everything lined up with history leading to Christ. And Noah's Ark was part of that story. You have Noah beginning, his son and all that.

So there's genealogy. So that interest kind of built into, okay, I have to go over here with an acquaintance to see it for the first time. And that just sold me on us. Okay, this is true. There's a ship shape there. does do anything. The place is abandoned. I didn't think I was going to take on the world. There was no plan like, okay, I'm going to do this, this and this and try to bring in scientists. It was just me. I said, okay, I'm going to try to come back and maybe make a video.

So in 2000, I borrowed some friends' cameras and I came out here twice in 2000, met with the first time the Turkish geologist, Dr. Birek Tutan, who believes this is the best candidate for Noah's arc and he has really great information or why it's not a natural formation. But that kind of kind of laid the foundation to where in 2013, I returned after 13 years and not seeing this site. And then slowly until 2019, getting this data with, you know, we don't know what to expect. I always tell people who, especially those who say, well, you're trying to push that, it's no, you're trying to really force that. Like, the force, and I said, no, we hired, it was $30,000, even with a 50% discount. We hired a company that we didn't even know who they are.

Some of them are atheists, actually, but professional. came out and scanned the boat in 2019. We didn't know what the result would be. Another random scientist analyzed it, right angles. So four years later, 2003, another random geophysicist. Tunnels, rooms, structure from the same data. Now it's not thermal paper like Ron did. With his digital files, we can email to another scientist.

And this was a scientist Dr. Barak Tutan recommended. I don't know this lady. She analyzed and said, hey, you have organized tunnels and voids and patterns below the ground. And then from there, we move on to the soil analysis. Again, when we got the soil in 2024, and this is like for me building up to where we are today because it all happened because of the pandemic, basically.

That was the only good thing you can say happen for me. What a blessing, right? Yeah, because I decided to live here. Otherwise, I probably would be back in California with my day job. I was an IT guy. but you know God opened the way to put people in the right place at the right time and the meet the right people you know from the professor to the scientists we work with today those different individuals are not people I searched out I always pray for God to bring the right people to us whether it's on a tour or for the project and that's what I prayed early this year

I tell the same story every time someone else is that I had three opportunities this spring to get the arc work done And when I say get it done, I was kind of sick of just trying to get something like take pictures, do a drone shot. We did soil analysis with Dr. Byrick Chuton in 2024. The results came out last January. That went kind of viral. We found three times more organic matter inside the boat and showed the soil was unique and distinct. But there was still no cordially, no going into the site, no extensive scientific project. So I finally told Dr. Byric Tuton, hey, we need some.

something done this year. And I met him in Ankara. It didn't work out. He had three opportunities. I'll name, I won't name them all, but basically he was one. Ankurate University, some professors there from a mutual friend asked them, and they were kind of deciding whether they want to take on the Nozark project. They decided not to do it. And then a third individual was Dr. Janker Atila, our current president of the project, who ran with it. And God blessed his efforts, open the doors. I don't think he's even a believer. I know he's not a believer, actually. He's not

even a Muslim believer. He's an agnostic professor of archaeology, but he was interested to him as archaeology, it's an area of Turkey that's not been well researched, Eastern Turkey. So he saw the, of course, from his perspective as a scientist, the advantages of participating. And so

he ran with it, got the permits. For me, that build up it leads me to like, for now, I'm just, when God brought in each of these different individuals that we didn't, and it was like friends of mind. And they're doing the different things that we don't know what the results will be.

We just paying the bill and say, okay, what does the lab say? What does the scientists say? And it just keep adding more data that I am, I'm not going to say I'm 100% confirmed, like the Daily Mail story, but as someone who's been involved so long, it just feels like you're always just adding new data that points to it in a positive light.

I have not seen something where we've done something and it's like, uh-oh, this now means it's not it. And so, unless it's just so, like, everything's a big coincidence. It just happens to be the size of those are. And, you know, sometimes you're laying in a bed, you're thinking, wow, that would be a really bad joke. It's just everything, you know, it's all points to it. And at the end, you know, it's not. And so we didn't know, like, this year, we planned cord drilling, very expensive, like $80,000 thing.

You know, they charged by the meter. And so, yeah, it's not like, okay, you're just, you're just, drill a hole. No, no, how deep you want to go. And so, anyways, when you're scheduling that in, trying to find the right company. That was the other thing. We couldn't find a company that had the right waterless drilling technique to preserve the soil cores until the very last minute. And the guy was really good at it. His crew was great. But when you're doing that, you don't know what they're going to drill into. They're going to, hey, start here. I mean, we see some anomalies of drill here, but other places we just want to randomly see,

and the critics have always said, this thing is rock. It's a rock formation. Bedrock, limestone block that came from above, or a sincline. Look those three up. Those are three big theories, but they all have to do with a rock. And different PhD geologists, some Christian, others agnostic or Islamic. So these are different theories out there that says it's not Noah's Ark,

but they're not all the same theory. They're all different ones, and you can't combine them all. So there's three different theories, main theories, and then you have the Noah's Ark theory. So when we were drilling, we could have proven, okay, we hit rock five feet down or something. And we go over here, five feet down, rock, rock, rock, rock. No, when we're drilling, it's all dirt, which we wanted, of course.

And so it disproved all these theories right away in one week, drilling across that site, 12 holes inside, four outside. Of course, we're going to analyze the data. So I'm not going to say what we did proved anything. But it did, as I mentioned earlier, it did disprove or lead basically to you questioning these theories by geologists, some who had never been to the site, the claim that peer-reviewed and published that this is just a rock formation of some type. No rocks anywhere.

We hit a couple boulders. We did hit one hard spot that broke the drill. People online were saying, you know, is a petrified wood? We know, we don't have a sample. Next year, we will. But what happened this year, we know the spot. Everything is marked on GPS. We have this nice, I wish I could show it.

It's a 3D model of the site, and all our data sets are layered in there. So you can turn it around, turn off the layer. It's beautiful. I love technology myself. So you're seeing, you have the topography above, and then you have the drone photos laid down. So you can look at Google Earth, but then you can look below the earth. And then you see these cores where you drilled. And so it's, you know, all that helps us understand the site.

We have the sole winter's worth of work ahead. But I am confident, I think we mentioned before you mentioned this comment, that, you know, God brought us to this point. And I was talking to some friends about that. It's like, you know, he opened away for the permit. He's not going to just then drop you off a cliff. So to me, it's like looking back, okay, if he, there's like the Red Sea crossing, if God led you there, you're going to cross that Red Sea. If he opened the permits, that means there's something there for you to do. He's not going to waste your time and money and other people's money and time and make a global mockery out of the Word of God.

That means something is happening. So, sorry for rambling on, but I'm very excited. No, I'm excited to have you, brother. I mean, and that's a great analogy. I mean, can you imagine, because, like, you see the Israelites throughout their history having this lack of faith when he brought him out of Egypt. Can you imagine them going up to the Red Sea and it splits? and then the people say, I don't know,

well, God, hold that up. He literally just split the water, just walked through, you know? And so I think that- People easily forget. Yeah, they do. And so you mentioned so many things here. I was trying to make notes and stuff.

I guess, no, you're fine. I gather the right angles is a big thing for a lot of people. I imagine it's a big thing for, you because that's just not natural. And it sounds like there's been several people. It's not just one and it's not your opinion. People have been reading the data and seeing that this is a right angle situation that is against nature. And then the cavities. So I was always like wondering about this. Are they suggesting that there's actually hollow spots of this area that that there's

still space? Like you said the tunnels or rooms. I'm assuming they're filled in with dirt or are we talking about like empty space under the ground that if you punched a hole you could fall through kind of thing? Yeah. So in regards to your first question about the right angles, that is a big deal. Now, it's not just a one right angle. You can look in nature and you can maybe see a rock that cracks and there's a right angle on it or something. First we know, this is not a rock formation.

But the big thing about the right angles is the pattern. You have a series of them, not just one. and according to the archaeologist, oh, here's the other thing, the pattern of right angles is not a shallow feature. It's not like one centimeter tall or like this or something

like a layer of rock or something that's bright angles or something like cracks in the earth or something. No, what you're looking at is they call structure with depth. So when the archaeologist back in 2019, they did the scans, a couple months later they gave us a small report.

And in that report, they mentioned the right angles. And we talked to the guy on the phone. He said, well, here's a video what you're actually looking at. So you have a screenshot looking straight down to see right angles. But if you turn it on its side, because now we have digital radar, so it's 3D. You now see that structure with depth, they call it. So it's a structure below the ground, and it has more than a one centimeter thick.

It's not a single layer, it's up to a couple meters of this right angle material. That is what they call it an anomaly. So you need to investigate that. So it's marked on the map. So it is very important. It's very important to see something like that. we could have scanned it and found nothing. Like, okay, well, the whole thing is just random noise under the ground there,

but that's a red flag right there. And then seen parallel and perpendicular lines. This is on the west sides. And now you're looking at the east side, downhill northern end of this boat. On the east side, three meters down, you've seen a perpendicular and parallel lines. And that's actually what got the Science Channel very excited because this was film live when they were out there filming us. the radar technician was scrolling down through the data from surface down below,

and then he sees this. So that causes excitement because, again, he was like, bingo, look at this. We didn't know what to expect. He said, this is not natural. And the radar technician was a guy who deals with rebar. He actually has a big business in the U.S. is scanning cement and asphalt to see the health of the rebar below the ground with high-frequency radar. So it's really clear.

You can see the steel or iron underneath. But when he sees this on noisar, He's like, oh, I can recognize this pattern. Again, a pattern of anomalies that suggest not natural. Now, if you look at what we took that data, you look at what the next geophysicist saw, which was these tunnels, voids, she wasn't sure. She's like, hey, it's forming a pattern, these anomalies.

It's a couple meters high, four meters down, so about 12 feet. You could walk through a lot of this, she said, but they're connecting and that leads to a larger cavity. She wasn't sure if it's backfilled material already and just preserving the shape, or if it's actually voids, like air pockets. And so we ran, you know, either way, we're excited because you're now seeing this pattern of not just right angles and perpendicular lines, but now you're seeing a pattern of possible corridors.

Again, not random stuff, an actual pattern at the same depth going across different locations of the site leading to past the big rock in the middle to a possible cavity going down 40 feet, starting that 7 meter, 20 feet down. So about 20 feet worth of empty cavity, soil, but the shape is preserved. So for us, that was a target to drill into. So, you know, again, these radar, some people say, well, on the mountain side, you can't use radar. It's like bad penetration.

I've seen some archaeologists say, oh, it's the worst thing ever. You know, you have to ground truth radar. that's why it was just a tool to get us to the next step. We can show the authorities, hey, this is why we want a cord drill, because we're seeing these patterns. We need to get down and discover what's below the surface, whether it's excavation, which might come later, but that was a more destructive technique

or non-destructive as much as possible, coring with a 6.7-centimeter hole and a 20-centimeter hole across the site. So that's why, you know, radar is kind of a kind of compass that guides you, but you still have the ground truth what that material is. We'll have results published in the future, but we did encounter some cavities. I'll just say this. One was mud and water filled, like the water was not leaving the cavity. It filled in. So we could, we sampled the mud.

But we have, I think, I don't know if I mentioned, we have a team actually interested in doing the ancient DNA studies. So there's hopefully material in there that they can pull out a really famous, you can say they're a famous right now company that does this work, and they've teamed up with us. So there's things that's still going on, things still be announced, but they're not ready yet to say they're partners with us with Nozark. I don't know if they're a religious foundation, but they're interested in our work that they're going to help test the results for free, for that part. Then we have the soil test, most of the soil tests are being done at a Turkish lab, not for, free, but at least we have it in Turkey safe right now, it's cold storage. So these are very precious soil samples that will over the winter find out what's below the shape. But in regards to your

question with the radar, yeah, these are very important things because anomaly means not natural usually. I mean, it could be natural. I should, let me take that back. I'll get attacked with that. Anomily gives you like a red flashing light. Hey, look here. This is something. Now, Buktar radar, This is what we brought in this year. It's not traditional radar, and the guy's equipment has been used on the American-Mexican border looking for illegal cartel tunnels. He showed me some of his results were 100 feet down. He's showing, like he has the tunnel laid out.

And it was hired by the U.S. government to do this. This radar can go through different material. Traditional radar, if it has clay, high iron, what's another, I don't know if it's high iron, but definitely clay in high water, water will stop. the signal from going deep. Clay will act like a barrier. His radar can be, call it radar, but his geophysical survey technique can be used even on the open sea. He sent me a report that he said, for only U.S. citizens only. I said, yeah, I'm a U.S. citizen. So he showed it to me. And in there, he's actually finding mines, it was a U.S. Navy test with his radar, scanning it from a ship.

And so it's not, so this is water, the sea, oh, you know. So then he's used it for treasins. people come to him for treasure hunting projects, archaeology, he's uncovered where they're looking for the airmen, the remains of people who died in like Vietnam or Korean War in the jungle. He's a scan and he showed me some of the results where you see

the whole ribcage, the whole body right below the surface, very detailed. So the radar he brought up for us very, it's a new antenna he built so you can go super deep up to maybe 300 feet if you wanted to. But the radar was a

couple meters wide, so six feet wide. And that, and it's a very, it's like a slice of day, like a cake slice, only of that. It doesn't like spread out like the ERT where you can see things around it. Just when you're like a cake slice or bread slice, what you see right there, that's what you get all the way down. In some occasions, we saw the depth levels up to 95 meters. And this was last month when we brought him out. It was very hush-hush. His team did not want people to know that they were there, all ex-military. They were there helping him. But in the past he's done a lot of work for the U.S. government on other

types of projects, but on this one, he said, look, Andrew, I've invented he was the main guy helping with the designing, seeing the explosion of the Moab, the mother-wam, the mother-wale bombs, the largest non-nuclear bomb in the U.S. in this I would call it

arsenal. He also helped model stuff with the nuclear explosions when they're testing nukes. A scientist, scientist, you know, just top-notch, a lot of awards, recommendations, and accommodations,

what would be the call it, on his wall in his office from different, no, three-letter agencies in the U.S. government. He told me, Andrew, I don't want to be known as someone who just designed bomb.

He's in his 60s, I think, now. And he's like, I would like to do a different project. So when I saw you in the news, this was in April, I think, or March, and I just finished like a G-B-News interview and O-A-N. And then he was a friend, I think, saw it and then told him.

And so he emails me and I call him and he says, I would like to do something beyond weapons and destroying people. I wanted to help you find Noah's Ark. Again, these are people that are brought in by God. And you're looking at it back, like at the time, I'm like, okay. And his bill, it wasn't free that I was thinking, wow, you know, it would take a miracle to get this guy out here. But he has technology that hasn't been used on the Ark.

We would love to use it there. So it all worked out to bring him out. And then when he starts, you know, we have a press release, maybe it's out already. It's coming out maybe half an hour, an hour. It will show his statements, a video with that. I think the video is already on social media where he talks about that he's never seen something like this in his 40 years career. The anomalies below the ground below the ship there, they're all the same source material.

And he said he's masked out all the geological natural elements, like the soil and the types of rocks in that area. And he's left with these really strong, signals what they call anomalies. You know, we're going to interpret it and say, are these floors, are these the hall, are these rooms, are these, the hull of the ship, you know, what are these what are these that form patterns? So he said it's like a wreckage below the ground because you have in different spots, these type of man-made looking anomalies.

And he said, these are Noah's Ark or a spaceship. That's the key thing. I think the press will pick up on. And so it basically, it's something he's never seen. He said it's not the natural limestone geology. It's harder than limestone, and it's something that's not natural to that area. So we're very excited with the radar because that helps us then guides our next steps. And then our next step for this year was the core drilling, but the radar was very key in getting us to that point.

You know, this site is, it should be mentioned too for anybody who isn't in the know that you're talking. talking about all this stuff, the uniqueness of the site, the reason why we even are at the site is because the way it looks and the dimensions that are actually matching what the Bible says the arc measured to be. So like it looks like, and what I love is I saw it first in Rick's book and I'm sure other people have posted since, but he showed different shipwrecks that we have discovered all over the world, you know, like different military ships. ships and stuff. And when you take what is at this site and look at these known shipwrecks, it's very similar. It's very similar. And so, like, visually, it looks like a boat. Then you take the measurements and the measurements match what Scripture says Noah's Ark to be. And then you take all the testing you've done, all the data that you've collected that keep pointing back to there being anomalies with this site. And then you say,

Oh, and by the way, this site is in the lower mountains of Ararat. It's like, at some point, you're just like, you can say everything's a coincidence, or you can say maybe we're dealing with a situation that's very similar to the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. You know, the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, one of the things that I feel like is under-talked about a lot is the discovery of the Great Isaiah Scroll.

It was completely intact. We had a complete, understanding that what we've been translating and had for hundreds of years is actually accurate according to the Great Isaiah Scroll, which dates back to, I think, 125 years before Christ. And before that, we had one that was the best we had was 700 years before Christ. So even though there's this gap of time, the Great Isaiah Scroll from the Dead Sea Scrolls is still 125 years before Christ, literally prophesying that there's this coming Messiah and depicting who Christ is, and that was all accurately preserved.

And so I look at this site in a very similar way, where it's like, you have this site that is where theoretically the boat should be. It looks like a boat. It has all these characteristics that shouldn't be in a natural formation. Maybe there's a chance that God preserved this site for this generation, just like he did the Isaiah Scroll in 1947. And so, like I said it before, but I will say it again, I feel like you personally, like we are living vicariously through you,

but you are living through a time of history that will be put down in history books. However this shakes out, this is something that will be talked about. And it's extremely exciting for me and the whole world, really. I wanted to bring up something that, I wanted to bring it up towards the beginning.

I just forgot, which tells you where my interests are, but I wanted to bring this up because it is in the news. And I want clarification from you as to if it's accurate, or not, was your apartment actually broken into and all your data, computers taken and stolen from you? Partially. Yeah, my apartment was broken into after a series of harassing harassment late at night,

one or two in the morning, people knocking on my door. Is that unusual? Yeah. Yeah, especially when they're yelling in English, a broken English. Wow. Locals for sure. Yeah, yelling at you, F you know, we, going to kill you.

You know, just scare tactics. As you wake up, you're like, okay, who are they? You call your friends and they run over there, check on you. And then finally on the second one, I said, look, I'm not going to stay here anymore. I don't know who these people are or they want harm so that I moved to a friend's house. And at that trip, I took everything that I thought I needed. I took the main backup drives, my main laptop. But, you know, and a couple clothes, you know, some clothes items.

And then this packed up my suit, not a suitcase, but I had one little carry-on suitcase in my backpack. And they just left. And I just said, I'm not coming back to this place. I'm going to move. I was in the middle of a tour when this happened. So you're trying to focus on the tourists, you know, talking about Noah Zark. And it was a 12-day tour. So we were going down to Southeast Turkey and biblical Haran and, you know, these go-back-the-tepe sites.

And when we were at Mount Nimrut, this mountain was statue, giant statues, the burial site for a Greek kingdom. We were there. I remember the morning. I was in the hotel. It was really early in the morning. I get a phone call from a friend. and he said, hey, your apartment was robbed.

And he does a video call. I mean, why does this guy call me with the video, you know, four or five in the morning? And he's in my apartment looking around and said, hey, we just called the police, but your apartment was broken into it. He shows me the door which is cracked, like they somehow, and I thought that door was like iron, but they somehow got through that. I said, nobody woke up, like they're banging on the door to get in. And then my friend goes in there and he shows me that, like, all the rooms are untouched,

except for the one that was my office area. sleeping area. And in there, I had a whole bookcase. I had all my camera equipment and drones and audio gear. And then a whole bunch of all my little SSD drives that we, like every time we fill one up, we buy another one. So it was kind of like its own backup. But then we had all backed up that series of drives, like maybe eight of those onto two 16 terabyte drives that had already taken out of the apartment, thankfully. But, you know, they then, you know, the whole area was a mess. They stole the other laptop I had there. I don't know what, you know, it was targeted because, you know, they knew I was English speaking.

That's where they're yelling through the door. What was their motives? What were they trying to get? Whether it's just, you know, get the high value target, you know, cameras and, you know, computer gear or what are they trying to target the actual work? People are speculating. But for me, all I know is that they broke in. Thankfully, I wasn't there. And so then I moved.

So, and I live out of a hotel room with the archaeologist during the season. So, yeah. Well, you know, I'm somebody who looks a lot at, like, the supernatural aspects of things. And I really believe, like, you know, I'm somebody that believes that we as human beings are the subject of, like, a very ancient old war. We are the subject of that war. Obviously, there's this kingdom of darkness and a kingdom of heaven. And we are the subject of that war. what you are doing, I do believe spiritually is drumming things up. And at the very least, I would say this,

I would lean towards this at the very least. Those people, if they were quote unquote, random people that just saw a value target and hey, this guy's an American, he's doing the research, let's steal this stuff kind of thing. The motives and the reasoning for going there might have been demonically fueled. And I can't help but feel like there will be probably more, maybe not in that vein, but attempts on squashing this investigation and the exposure of the data collected because of what it could do if it actually comes out as like Andrew Jones now is saying, it's 100% confirmed this is Noah's Ark site. You know what I mean? And so like there's a spiritual aspect to a lot of this stuff, you know. And I don't think it should be lost on people to

hear that. But also, there is just the general, good old conspiratorial route of things where it's just like, maybe there is a high, there's somebody or an organization that is highly invested in this not being gotten out, you know? And we don't know. You did mention, and you feel free to comment on anything I said, but I do want to ask you this. I want to let me ask you. How much time do you have left? I don't want to take up too much time. I think my next schedule is, one second. Let me just check to be sure. I know I have Kent COVID, but he's like 2 a.m. because they do a live thing. Okay. Let me just check right now my calendar because our press release has not gone out yet. They want me to approve it as I'm talking to you.

But let me just see though my schedule for tonight. It's like, yeah, you're, you're, You are it for tonight. And then tomorrow morning, yeah, Kenthoven, 3 a.m. No, no. Yeah, 2 a.m. I'll go to sleep and wake up. So we're good, though. So we can, yeah, we can go late.

I don't have a next appointment is hours away. It's only, it's 9.42 right now. Let me just tell Lauren, let's say, I have to do this right now. Do you want me to help you decide if it's good enough? just send it on me. I'll read it for you. I'll let you know if it's good enough. It's crazy. Kent, Kent's got you coming out of bed at 2 a.m. Yeah, because it's a live show. So it's not like it recorded. So I'm taking question. I think it's an hour long. And so, but they want me to send us to a news agency that has to, they wanted to be first. So they've helped us in the past. So we're going to send it right now. I'm sorry to do this. I'm on the air. You're fine. You're fine.

This is gold. This is like current events. This is like as it unfolds happens, you know? Okay. I'm back. All right. So I just, I wanted to ask you a couple more things here. And I won't take much more of your time.

But I, you did bring up this, the excavation idea. And is that something that you would be willing to do? but at the last resort option, or is that something that you think is a tangible option to move forward with to get the data?

I always wanted to, even run, and Wyatt and others, want to see what's below the surface. You know, excavations are very destructive. When you dig a hole, you know, traditionally you want to go layer by layer because you want to see the stratigraphy.

You want to understand the context of something. If you core drill like we were doing, you could be off by one meter. or one centimeter has to say one inch and you'll miss a very important you'll miss a very important object or something so um so it's hard to say because uh you know right now everything's focused on our current work uh and even we're just started talking about next year's work if the permits are approved for us to continue there what would we do on step two season two and it won't be excavations because the way the law is here in turkey uh you have to

apply for excavation permits end of this month. So this is the last day of the month. So if someone did apply, then the committee that votes on it meets at the end of the year. And then you don't find out until springtime if you're approved to do the summer work. So that's the process. But for our research, that is a monthly committee that meets for the geology, geophysical research. And they can approve it any time of the year. So that's how we got our approval. So we're doing it, and even next year, what we've submitted so far is continuing the geological, geophysical studies. We have some other archaeological stuff

we'll talk about later, but some exciting things that is archaeology, not just geology, very close to Noah's Ark. But I would, you ask you, for me, yes, I would love to go down there. But if the Ark is just like all decayed, and you're looking at soil that's changed, like the imprint of the ark is in the soil,

and nothing's left of it, then I would be very careful not to do a full excavation like traditionally would be done, but find other ways to prove it. And this is what the cordialing is going to help. It will help us show what the state of condition. And what are these anomalies with the radar? Are they really preserved petrified wood,

mineralized woods, and some type of preservation of the, arc. You know, I was looking at the YouTube. They know what you, you know, the algorithm. They know what you like to watch. I remember I was scrolling through and it showed this video that I clicked on and it had a boat, the haul of a ship, found seven meters down. Exactly the same depth we're finding those right angles. And I clicked the video and it was about, I was like, why is the ship seven meters down below the earth, like 20 feet below the earth? And it was the harbor in New Amsterdam. They have, they were excavating a hundred years ago putting the tunnels in the

subway system for New York City, and they encountered a hall of a ship down there. Like, what is this here? So, you know, when they're doing some of these areas, they actually did a top down dig down to the hall. They took pictures of it. And it turns out it was one of the, they estimated like 300 some year old remains of a ship that had sank there in the old Dutch Harbor before it was called New York. And that was this, to me, it's kind of like, you look at Sutton Who, the Viking Burials ship in England, where you have this to shape. But the hall is gone. You have the rusted rivets all in place.

You have the gold and it was a burial ship for a Viking chieftain. But the wooden hall is gone. So it's a Netflix movie, but you can look up the old pictures. And it's also an exhibit in the British Museum if you're in London. And it shows this perfectly preserved shape under the ground, I mean, when they x-waded down. So they did it very carefully. This is pre-World War II when they did this. And you look at Noah's Ark.

You're thinking, well, you know, Viking ships decay like this. these Dutch ships 300 years ago you have the whole it all depends on the soil conditions how the state of preservation and of course you can say

God's will what does he want preserved right now so there's definitely to me there's not going to mean there's not going to be like nothing there

if this is Noah's Ark from the top if you see the shape then there's something below the ground too whether it's in the soil I think is more than just that though

because the radar is showing things that it's more than the soil so and around about way, yes, I want to, I would love to see a perfectly preserved hall still down there, like this Dutch ship. And then you end up cordially into it and you're pulling out a second,

no, this is like a dream. So you're pulling out a segment. So you're pulling out, oh, this is not limestone. It's not basalt rock. This is actually, you can see the cell structure is preserved. It's mineralized or petrified wood. What layers that out? Oh, it's 30 meters down or something, you know, how big, like, how deep was the arc buried? And then then they're like, okay, let's excavate, you know, or let's tunnel in to do something non-traditional. So, you know, that's kind of my answer is like, and let's just see what more of the data. It's afraid, you know, someone say,

oh, Andrew wants to excavate, and then the Turks get obsessed, oh, you're not in charge of the project or we don't know yet if it's noz arc. So I'm very careful how I say what our next steps are. I'm hopeful that there's something there to excavate and not just, you know, we have to take soil samples and that's it. And I really do think there's more to the arc than just that.

But we have to get to see what the data shows. to determine the next step. You know, Indiana Jones, I can't help, but feeling like you have to have a little bit of that in you, where you're just like, when you mentioned the tunneling in, like it's like, can you imagine like that that becomes an option and everybody approves it and, okay, let's just tunnel in. And you tunnel in and you actually do find a physical void where it's like,

there's no like soil here. It is like an empty room. And then it's like, oh, look, the Ark of the Covenant. It's like, it's something crazy. It'd be wild. I mean, I watched those movies in high school. I just remember, oh, he found the ark or the Holy Grail. It's just, you know, the adventure of it all and all that.

You know, it's hard when you're living day to day. You're dealing with finances, logistics, drama, and now a lot of interviews, but it's hard to kind of pull back and look at the grand scheme of thing because you're in the middle of it all. And soon, like, you just see time fly by. I couldn't understand how it's ready, almost October. It's like we just started the project, and now we're dealing with the winter work. So, yeah, in my heart, I really believe it's Noah's Ark, and seeing how God has opened the doors and led, now you're looking back at it, you're like, wow, we actually, to this point, like, I can't believe 30 years has gone by. We're just trying to think, how can we

do something here, and now we've done it. And we're continuing to study the results, but we cord drilled. No one cord drilled before. And you're like, did I miss something? Like, what happened all that time? But, yeah, I, you know, I need to pinch myself or slap my face. Like, it's a dream. But you don't realize it.

Other people, like, they talk to me and my friends like, oh, Andrew, you know, at first they thought it was crazy living over here. And then they say, hey, Andrew, I saw you the news. Like, I didn't even plan it this way. there was no five-year plan for my life. Just got it going where the doors open and hoping for the best. Yeah. Well, I would, a couple things here.

So one, you and I discussed beforehand about maybe doing a future recording on other biblical archaeology sites, which I would love to do. And if you ever find yourself back into States and stuff, you got to let me know. I'll bring you into the studio. I'm in Knoxville, Tennessee. And we can have you here in studio because, I like hosting people too.

So this site, the general area, outside of the ark, there have been discoveries that point to it being Noah's Ark. One of my favorites is, and maybe probably yours, I don't know, the idea of the Drogstones. Like, the drogstones is absolutely, like, okay, what's a ship doing up in the mountains? I don't know, but now it's like, what is drogstones doing up in the mountains as well?

And so you have these drogstones running around up there. I think it was like, what, 26 you guys found or something like that. Are there other things that have been found that kind of tied to this being possibly Noah's Ark or is the Droke Stones the main thing? You know, anything associated with Noah's Ark is controversial. People, you know, there's mini-series on everything. If you look at the area, you say the region. I always like to look at the place names. I think that's another clue that this is the area of Nozark.

You know, when you look at where Nozark landed, I don't know if you talked about it on this one, because I just did a podcast, that I did a news nation interview, but the area of Nozark landed is called the ancient maps, the pre-worlder 2 maps, Mushar. The old people know about the name,

the original name is Mushar. If you type that into Google Translate, and they tell you this means Armageddon, Google Translate, you put in Mushar. Armageddon, the Turkish word. Like, wow, Noah's Ark is on Armageddon Mountain. In another word, they say doomsday or last judgment. And in Islamic theology, it's the last gathering. So you have this idea that mankind is judged. And here, the arc itself, which was a form of judgment on mankind, right? It was a ship of salvation for Noah.

But for those on the outside, the flood was a judgment. And here you're, have it on today what they called in the past judgment day or Armageddon Mountain and it brings up that verse of Christ where he talks about as in the days of Noah so shall be becoming the son of man so here we're on the days of the end time the days of the son of man is about to appear and he's pointing us back to what happened before the flood the state of the world today but i also think the news of noah's ark is bringing brought out at the same time so i think the verse has a a double meaning almost because now everyone's talking about Noah's Ark and the end times. That's one word.

If you look up toward the cliff face and in the village next to it where we find these fossils, the sea fossils, that village is called Karakamas, I think I can pronounce it right, but it basically means where the black bird won't land. Now, if you look at the story of Noah's Ark, the first bird that Noah releases to try to figure out there's land out there was a raven, a former blackbird. I don't know if I'm not an animal expert, but, you know, Raven, Crow, Blackbird, I think they're all those different sizes. There may be different species, but the name today has that connotation about that story, when they call it the blackbird, where the blackbird won't land. You ask the locals, why is it called that?

And there, it's like, well, we try to shoot the birds, so they don't want to land here. You see the trees full of these blackbirds, and, of course, they got on the ground. So, you know, the story, what they say doesn't make any sense. But it does make sense if Noah's Ark landed there. And the ship was in the area as the waters were receding. And you get this name attached by locals and who knows how long that name was passed on or if it was more recent or not. But definitely it's an older name. It's a pre, you can say, Turkish country being found in 1922, like World or Two Air.

So before that, these are the older names of these areas. And then you look over at what you mentioned, the drugstones. That area is called the Valley or Region of Eight. Some people say it's the village of Eight. And I asked the local there, like, was this Iran? Why it made up? Because Iran claimed villagers told him that. So I asked someone, where did this name come from?

And he said, oh, maybe because there used to be eight springs that fed down into the valley, maybe. And I thought, well, if that's true, then, okay, that could make sense that they call it. But I don't see eight springs anymore. Like, he was kind of guessing. But for a Christian who hears that, and you're in the mountains of era, the thing you think about, you hear eight, is that there are eight people on the ark. So you have these place names that locals today don't really understand, you can say, but in the past, you can see the connection to the flood, and they're all in this little area right here, and we're at the base of Mount Earat, you're at the side of the hotel, and now it's dark,

but in the daytime you can see the mountain peak. The Bible, though, you know, talks about a region, a whole country called Eiratu, but our site is in that area. So you have the connection with even the name Eirat being here. you have the village of eight and the place the crow won't land the blackbird won't land and you're on judgment day mountain armageddon very fascinating i think that's an extra set of evidence besides the ark itself right there and the uh the possible drug stones nearby all of that kind of leads to hey it happened here if this is not it then what is the shape that uh is producing all these strange results and the size of noah's ark That's exactly right. And it's again the idea of how many coincidences do you need to have before it's not a coincidence anymore. And with the drilling that you guys have done, I just wanted to take a second and just imagine you guys drill a portion that actually has like remnants of the arc. And maybe let's just say it doesn't even look like wood anymore. It looks like soil. But through testing, you see something where you're like, hey, whatever this is that we're testing, this did not originate in this region. It is from somewhere else, you know? And that would be just more exciting news that whatever this is, it's not naturally here.

It was placed here. Yeah, well, if you look at like the site now, there's some trees nearby. So if it is wood down there and we test it and stopped those type of trees growing nearby. And in the past, they said the area is more covered with trees, because right now it's very barren. Like, this region, like the hills are just rolling hills and mountains, no trees. You have some ancient forests on the north side of a lesser air rat. But, yeah, I think that's a, that'd be cool. Like, people ask me, what would you want to find down there?

That would be one thing. What is Gopher Woods? We can be determined what that is. Is it something that's not found in this area? Can we find animal remains? When I say remains, I don't mean like they died on the ark. Now they're extinct, the two by two. No, I mean, like, evidence that animals were there.

That's what happened to unicorns. Oh, got it now. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I don't mean, Andrew does not say a bunch of animals died because it was too long of the ark and no, I forgot to feed them. They had a barbecue, you know.

These evidence of animals there, that would be the big thing if they're not, natural or native to the area. Like, find sheep? Okay, there's sheep everywhere here. But what if I find a giraffe, some subtropical or tropical animal, elephant, you know, things like that, that would

suggest that, hey, there was something here. It couldn't be a barn or a zoo, maybe, but you know, if it's the shape of a boat and exactly 300 cubits long, you'd have to be, as Peter said, willingly ignorant to ignore all this data. You know, willingly stupid,

to not realize, you know the earth was formed by God out of water, and you know the world before is destroyed by water, and you're ignoring all that, and you know what's coming up is when the world is destroyed by fire, the judgment. So this flood account, the story is all intertwined with end-time theology and the days we're living in now. But I really hope that we can find something more than just, like it's in the soil. And just thinking out loud, I really want to find that evidence of certain types of animals on the boat.

Right angles. Like when we get down to the right angles, I want to see like, hey, I'm in the hotel lobby here. And let's say that's a door jam or support for a room. You know, maybe the hall is still intact, you know, something that was deeply buried so the mud can preserve it or something, you know, versus what's on the surface is dirt and rock. So, yeah, that's the dream. We'll see as we're going through these steps of the investigation, what can we prove and what's left to, you know, theory. Yeah, no, time will tell for sure.

My last question for you is, is there a concern that say this is proven to be the Noah's Ark site, that it then gets shut down and people can't visit it? Or would it be more of like a tourist attraction where it's opened up for visiting, but now you can't walk on it like you used to? because like you, Rick Renner, Joseph Z, like you guys were walking around on Noah's Ark. And in all honesty, I have talked to Rick about it. I've talked to Joseph about it. And I one day had hoped to come to Turkey and walk the site myself. And now I'm thinking that may not be an option much longer. And so like I missed my window of opportunity.

You did miss it, actually. And what happened was last week because it went viral. No, what is today? Wednesday, maybe it was early this week. Over the weekend, I was there, and I remember we got word, basically they said, well, over the last couple weeks, they've been saying no tourists are allowed on it. But we put the security cameras up, too, just to make sure people don't destroy the site. But now they're using that to make sure people don't go down there and walk on it too.

You know, it is fragile. I can understand that point. But there is a control effort, and I don't know what they're in goal. is because, you know, as we said, why are they putting in these extra rules? You want tourists to come out, which helps the economy here too. And so they're missing an opportunity by those who are trying to control everything and say, you can't, like, you can't bring big cameras anymore. Do you have a big camera, tripod, audio gear? They think you're a professional filmmaker and they want you to get a permit. So they want to make money off the filming. And the permit takes three weeks to get. So you've got to plan

your trip. You can't just show up at the last minute with a camera and a microphone and tripod. They won't let you film on site unless you show the paperwork. Tourists can film with an iPhone, which is fine with Me Too, but we're like a small camera on GoPro. So there's now efforts to control access and also the messaging in the sense that you need to permit to do recordings there professionally. So I think most permits, though, are approved, but I could see where they can say, oh, we don't like you or you're a group. No, you don't get approved to film on the site or film at the site at the visitor's center site, which overlooks. You know, that's where they're even stopping.

Some of the Turkish news organizations that were entering me, one had a problem because they said, you guys didn't get your permit. They're like, hey, we film all over in national parks, Capodokia, you know, all these other sites in Turkey that tourists go do. They made films there, no problem. Suddenly, no, you got to, where's your permission? This is a Turkish news organization. So, you know, they worked out.

They made a phone call to someone higher up. It's always your relationships here in this area of the world where if you know somebody stronger and bigger, they can tell the other person, okay, they can do this. So they were able to interview me on site finally. But I saw that happening. I'm thinking, wow, this is a new thing. And now they're telling the guy who runs the business center,

a friend of mine, Nuri, that he needs to watch out. Like, no one's allowed to go down there at all. You can't bring a drone anymore. You can't film with professional cameras without a permit. So, you know, but they sell out. It's not like they shut the site down to tourism. They have a visitor center, possibly a new one coming up. we'll see what the announcements are like

or the next month or so. So you have maybe different areas of the government doing different things where one part is trying to promote it and make money and build infrastructure for the tourist, like the new visitor center. And another part, maybe they don't believe it's nozark or there could be religious

or atheists or people who just don't think it existed or they're looking for the ark on another location. And so maybe they're in the pockets of those type of groups. or whatever, they want to limit what we're doing on the site. And we saw that early on in our work. It wasn't like, I'm not making this up. People constantly calling different government agencies that we were doing illegal work

or they thought we were going to do it or they said we destroyed the ark by having a garden tractor pulling the radar. You know, then we bring a core drill machine to core. So, you know, they did their best. And then they got quiet because we, you know, God still opened the doors for us and the officials at the top let us do the work. We had the permits. In fact, a couple, it was a couple days ago, the professor was telling me that the government

agencies that were wondering, like, what did you do? They see the big core machine on the ark, and they thought we were doing something legal, said, you don't have a permit for that. And so when he sends them, he sent them the permit plus the project that the permit said you could do, and the project is all the details. And sure enough, we have permission to cord drill. you know, to take enough samples as we need, not just to make a Swiss cheese out of the site.

But that's what we did. You did 12 holes. But these people were trying to stop us and we're trying to accuse us of illegal activity and get us banned from the site. So, like, we couldn't come back next year or something, you know, like the worst case scenario. But, you know, and we're thinking all these years,

60-some years, this site's been known. And suddenly these guys who are complaining about all this, they suddenly care about archaeology and care about this site. when the building's been empty for all that time, 40 years empty, we only start in that 2020. We help the locals out put stuff inside there, so visitors know what they're looking at.

And we're the only ones pursuing. We only do some other groups trying to do what we did, but we were the ones who were tenacious enough and going at it year after year, and of course got open the doors for that. But these other officials, they don't care less about the site all this time. And now suddenly they care about it.

I'm not attacking, I'm not going to name names. I'm not talking to any agency here. You have good and bad like in any government. And we're just trying to do the best thing to understand the site and make it presentable to people who come visit it, whether it's local or foreign tourists, because we think it's a very important site for the world. And so, you know, that's our goal.

We're not trying to create any problems for anyone. But they definitely try to create problems for us. You know, even one year when I was living here, was it, 2022, to, you know, I extend my visa and I get sponsorship from university or some other business people. When you're someone, or later I find out, it was a competing guide for another group. They called in and said I was an American spy. And so I was on an investigation for six months so here. In fact, I had to leave to go to Saudi. I had, you know, winter tours. And they told my friend, is Andrew coming back? And there's a court case against him.

Like, I was telling my friend, well, that's the type of, they're going to use that and say, It was a spy, which I'm not. Then I'm not coming back. No way I'm going. You know, but at any rate, I, you know, they cleared my name. I got my, after I left the country, they got, my friend said, hey, you got your ID card. That was already gone. But later I find out from the officials who said it, I'm like, well, that's very nice of that guy.

I see him once in a while and drink chai with him. And I guess you keep your enemies closer than your friends. But, yeah, you know, this is stuff you go through out here. You think you're just doing archaeology or people should be very excited. You know, a lot of times you're dealing with for whatever reasons, jealousy, you know, the human nature, jealousy, envy, greed, people thinking that you're making all this money or something on it. I don't own a car or an apartment. I rent everything. My most valuable possession, I think, on me is my camera gear and this new laptop.

It was given to me, too, my donors. So, you know, my life is on this. That could be crazy. and maybe next year we're like, why did I do this? But, you know, this is what I ended up dedicating my time in life to right now. I didn't plan it this way. And yet, looking at what's going on in the media,

maybe it was a good thing, what happened, but we'll see. We will see. Listen, I think it's also divine where the ark landed in the sense of, because I haven't been there, but every time I hear people talk about it, they do mention how close it is to the border of Iran.

And if we were talking about the border of Iran and being on the other side of this, this probably would not be happening. And so that itself, we should be very thankful that is in the country of Turkey. How can people help this effort? Is there something that they can do to help? I know you're still,

I think you're still doing fundraising, Is that the best way to help? How can people help in any way possible? I don't know what the intricacies are. Yeah, in the past, I would say, tell your friends. You know, we need to spread the word. Repost what we post. Now I'm like, oh, man, there's too many Nozark stories out there.

So, you know, people's doing a good job or the AI is taking over and just spamming everybody with those arc stories and AI images. But, yeah, you know, I just, you know, share with your friends what's going on. if they haven't been, if they're not on social media. Yes, we are fundraising still. Here's the thing is, I don't know without jumping ahead of everything. I know God will provide. The news has spread far and wide that has attracted those with a higher net worth so that I think next year and the following years we won't have to be fundraising

like the way we're doing now where, you know, you make the videos and hoping that people see it and they click the link and they give $10, which is great, you know, getting people involved. But, you know, God is providing a way where in the future it maybe looks like everything is covered. And that would be great because I hate asking for money and people like, hey, we need 10 people to give $10. It would be nice to just, hey, we do the work quietly. We get the results and then we go live with it or we publish it. And we're not constantly debating people online and trying to get attention. So we'll see.

You know, right now, yes, if you want to help us, we have a Gives and Go campaign, and the links are on our Nozark Scans website and all our social media post. That helps us right now, because we're still paying off this year's activity and the soil analysis that has to be done. We still pay for salaries of the archaeologists involved. Let's see, the hotel I'm in, you know, to get in nitty gritty. Yeah, we have things that are accumulated over the summer months that we have to pay for. but at the same time, you know, God is seen, maybe, you know, I'm not saying we're perfect, but, you know, God maybe has seen the faithfulness and how we're spending the money out here and it's not like a big party out here. We negotiated down to the lowest we can get with these

hotels and restaurants and eating, you know, beans and rice almost. But he's then allowed other people to possibly get involved that can cover everything in the future. So we're excited about the future. Right now, though, yes, we have bills. So we're not going to get ahead of ourselves. So if people want to donate, they can. We have some prayer groups. Some friends have asked that we set up something where people can pray, like around the clock. And we don't have anything set. Maybe there's an app for that. This is an app for everything or a website. But if somebody sets up something where every five minutes is around the world, someone's praying, that was someone suggesting they heard about the break in, they heard about the people trying to stop us,

this type of negativity online. Yeah, you know, obviously we're doing what we can and we're making sure that we don't provide ammunition to the enemy by watching what we post and what we say and do. At the same time, they will still attack you, whether they're atheists or just crazy people. So, yeah, prayers will help. Well, I'll tell you, everybody, Noah's Ark scans.

Look up Noah's Ark scans on Instagram. that's the website to nois arc scans.com. But please go follow on Instagram because that's where you're seeing these videos and these updates where it's like you hear about it, but then there's this whole other level of seeing it. And so, Andrew, I appreciate you joining me and being here with me and informing the world through my audience on what's going on. And I do mean it if and when you do come back stateside,

If you think of me, I will be very available to sit down with you. So because you're somebody, like I said, you're somebody I've been wanting to talk to for a couple of years now. So God's timing. Yes. I appreciate you. Your voice will be magnified more because of the story going out now on this topic. So God has the perfect timing for everything. And for sure, also other topics or even updates on Nozark, I'm happy to share.

So there's a lot. Right now, it's a firestorm out there, and I'm looking at my emails. I'm talking to you. I'm like, oh, no. And for me, I hate, I'm OCD about notifications on my phone. I want it all cleared by the time I go to bed.

I understand. And then I wake up, and every app has like five or ten, some 70 notifications. And I'm like, ah, I got so much work to do. Yeah, I feel like you have work. Because whether it's a question from someone about the site or the research

or wanting to volunteer or provide help next year. So everything is important. You can't just ignore. the emails or the text. You're going to need a volunteer assistant soon, Andrew. I was using AI a bunch. I'm so glad for AI for this purpose, where it can help me compose emails,

and I just edit what they say. So if you get a response, it doesn't sound like me. It's probably because I have a lot. Probably not. I have an agent, AI agent running in the background. If it's in a loop,

it keeps giving you the same answer. Instagram came out with their agent called Muse. Have you used that? I have not. I heard of it, but I have not used it. It's interesting. I've touched it a little bit and it immediately knew based off of my accounts, like my social media accounts and everything, who I was, what I'm about. And it's pretty wild. So I think you might have a free assistant in your pocket. You just don't know it yet. Okay. That's amusing. I will have to try it. Yeah, I saw the news also about ChatGBTBT announcing something with some agent. that this runs in the background.

Yeah, I think they're calling it dots. I think they're calling it dots or something like that. Yeah, I need to connect those dots and try it. And I use it extensively, even for our research, we compare stuff, compose, or whatever, you know, social media stuff. But it's, you know, so I pay for the highest level of most of them as part of our budget just to get access and get quick answers or just deep research. So they're very useful tools. And we're happy that whoever invented it did. Yeah.

Yeah. That conversation in itself, Andrew. I appreciate you, sir. Thank you so much. Well, I'm happy to share, as I always say with everybody. I hope you can come out here and see the sites, whether you're allowed to walk on. Maybe we can get you on the site still.

Turn off all the cameras and get you on. Yeah, I'll sneak. I'll sneak out. I'll just do like a bear crawl, you know? No, he paraglided. I just saw the videos. He, part of it, because every show or thing he does, he has to do something crazy.

So he paraglided off the nearby mountain down, across the ark but nearby then landed below it. So that was one of the sequences of there being his film. And that he repelled off of a cliff into the UR2 Castle right above this town.

So he has a couple of, he didn't eat any bugs, thankfully. It was not a survival on Noah's Ark. Like, what did Noah feel on Day 100? And he's like eating the last grasshopper on the ark. Yeah. It didn't do that, thankfully. But really nice guy.

He already became a Christian, too. So it was great. Yeah. That's what I heard too. That's what I heard too. So, I mean, he's heavily invested himself. That's really cool. Oh, boy.

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