The Confessionals - Hunting The Howler | Slingshot Nation

Episode Date: January 16, 2026

In today’s episode, we investigate terrifying White Beast encounters in the Ozark Mountains — a faceless, towering creature covered in long shaggy hair that locals warn you never to follow into the woods. Witnesses describe it watching from the treeline, stalking properties, and crashing through the forest with unreal speed before vanishing behind metallic bangs many believe are tied to interdimensional gateways.We break down Nathan’s two encounters with this massive white creature, his mother’s firsthand sighting, and the disturbing behavior that suggests this being may be new to our realm and still learning how to use its own body. We connect these stories to wider reports of White Beast entities, Dogman-type creatures, boundary spirits, and ancient legends like the Ozark Howler and the Slavic Leshy, revealing patterns stretching across cultures and continents.This episode is loaded with cryptid sightings, giant humanoid reports, dimensional theories, forest entity encounters, and the rising wave of white, faceless creatures being seen across the Midwest and Appalachia. If you’re drawn to high-strangeness, mysterious creatures, unexplainable encounters, or the unseen conflict happening in the woods, this conversation will grip you from start to finish.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZTony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesBigfoot: The Journey To Belief: Stream HereThe Meadow Project: Stream HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducer

Oh boy! Is that a slingshot? Yeah, yeah. Blinkshot season. Hey, let's run it. Hey. Grace hit me like, boom. Can't miss.

God with me a whole squad going. Devil try to throw shade. I grin because the light too bright where I've been. Yes, yes, yes. Welcome to Slingshot Nation Live. Thanks for being here, everybody. I am very excited about today's show. Before we get in today's show, though,

I want to welcome my cohorts to the show. Derek, what's going on there? Hey, man. Good morning. Good morning. We got Jack the jerk over here pushing the buttons. How you doing, man? Good morning. I'm good. I'm glad everybody's here. Everybody's awake. You're awake.

I'm awake. Jack, you're awake. I'm awake. Man, praise God. Praise God. Listen, I, last night, so we were at the office, Jack and I, you, Derek, you left the office, I think, what time did you leave the office last night? Like 4 o'clock. No, it was later than that.

I think it was close to 5. Yeah, right. And so, like, I was planning on leaving and then my ADHD just kicked into hyperdrive. And, like, it's like, you ever see memes where it's like somebody doing math problems and it's like being put on the screen? So it's like all these like algebra,

algebra questions and everything. And they're doing this, like, complicated stuff. all of a sudden my brain started doing that. And I'm sitting there at the desk and I'm like, I'm not going home right now. You unlocked it. I was like, oh, no. Oh, no.

And so I text Lindsay and I said something about I'm working. I think there's just something like short like that. Like, hey, just let you know I'm working. And then next thing I know I get a text from her and she says, are you okay? And I look at the clock and it's like 10.30 at night. Is, are you alive? Are you alive?

Are you alive? Wow. And it was like 10.30 and I was like, whoa, where did the time go? Wow. I don't think I got home until like 11.30, 12 o'clock last night. But it's because my brain started kicking into hyperdrive for that opening video that people just saw. Listen, if you're watching or if you're listening to this on the audio replay, you're missing out on a visual experience. That's all I can say.

I mean, I understand if you miss it and you're listening while you're driving and all that stuff, that's fine. but if you get a chance to pop in on the YouTube channel, and even watch the replay, I mean, it is so much fun. That's really cool. And I was like, I was sitting at the office and I was just like, messing with the AI stuff the past few days.

And all of a sudden, like, it started sinking in my hand. Like, oh, if I did this and then I did this, I might get this. And if I get that, then I can do this. It's like my brain was going a million miles an hour. So I'm surprised I'm rocking right now the way I am, but praise the Lord for that. We were supposed to interview Alexander Pagani tomorrow. And I woke up today and realized our schedule without getting into great detail is crazy this

week. We are, we're traveling and it's just wild. And so I was like, I don't think I can do that interview with him. And so I was nervous calling him this morning. So I called him and he was totally fine and we had a great conversation and all I can tell people is when he comes up to the studio, it is going to be bonkers. Oh yeah. Like it's going to be bonkers. The dude is just a wealth of information, a wealth of experiences, and just tells it how it is. And he's one of these people that just really knows what he's talking about, why he believes, what he believes, and he can lay it out. And I'm just like, yeah, I'm going to have some fun with this guy. So, awesome.

Everybody's good, though. You slept good last night? I sleep good. You got to bed on time? Yeah, I was reading, finishing the book. Yeah, it was good. Jack. I went to bed when I got home, so.

Okay, gotcha. So, guys, we are doing these shows, these live shows, and we're enjoying them. I hope people are enjoying watching them and listening back on the replay. Today, we are going to be, after this live show, doing a recording for our members, the three of us are going to do a recording because last week I told you guys on the show how we had Joseph and Franco coming in. And my lord, I mean, I was excited about Joseph and Franco coming in. That's why I talked about in the live show last week.

Then he came in. Holy cow. Yeah. Like, the conversation I had with him combined with reading his book, rewired my brain on the supernatural realm in a way that, like, we've been given Heiser, which is the theological academic approach to the supernatural realm. Why is it operating this way and the depths of it? Joseph and Franco comes from, he's a fan of Heiser,

and he takes what the supernatural realm is that we know it to be through teachers like Heiser and our own lived experiences, and he funnels it through these lived experiences of these nonverbal autistic people. And they are just reaffirming and advancing that they're giving the the picture behind the scene. So we have the intellectual knowledge of,

okay, so the Elohim, Psalm 82, the fallen, all this stuff. And they're through their lived experiences are giving us a visual of what that actually looks like. And it's wild. And it rewired my brain. And it just, it took me to,

a whole other level of my prayer life the last week. Like, I, like, man, I, it's your new portals. Yeah. No, I don't even, don't even, don't even, don't even, don't even diminish what's going on right now with that idea. But like, I, all I can say is we're, we're going to record, we're going to record about this, because I got to get it off my chest, you know what I mean? And so the world, they're going to be able to, Jack, do you know when Joseph and Franco

is scheduled to release? Look it up if you don't know. have it for next week. For next week. Don't you? I don't think so. The members. You're talking about...

Oh, the members. Yeah, no. No, I'm not talking about members. I'm talking about the public show. Look it up. It's on the schedule. Now, before then, I... We're going to record a whole podcast between the three of us about what was uncovered for the members.

And that's going this Thursday. Because, like, it's... I got to get it off my chest. So... It's February 17th. February 17th. The conversation I record with Joseph Franco... will be released on the YouTube channel and everywhere you can listen and all that stuff.

But this Thursday for my members, we're going to go in on a conversation. So right after this live, we're going to sit here and we're going to record a conversation about Joseph and Franco, the book Decoding Cody and what we've learned and understood. We're speaking of, by the way, if you want, consider joining the members community. We are rocking and rolling every Thursday. we drop another member episode for people that are members to our community. So consider joining the members community if you want some of that extra content. It's not just like if you join, you're not just joining and getting this Thursday show and all shows moving forward.

You get access to hundreds of past. I mean, how many, how many, I mean, well over a hundred member episodes of the past too. So you're getting a complete crazy archive that just grows by the week. So consider that. Before we move on to other topics and stuff, you were reading the Joseph and Franco book. What are some of the takeaways you took from that? And we'll get into the deeper stuff later.

So he comes from a background of being a lawyer. And I think he really lays the case so well about how science and this study is not just like, it's not just this crazy, whoy thing that they just made up. But because of their autistic, because of all these parameters that are around it, it really just sheds light that this is so truthful. And I think that's what the greatest takeaway is,

is like they're able to see into the spiritual realm and that a lot of it is backed up by scripture what they see, and also it's not refuted very easily because they are autistic. Yeah, it's wild. When you really go in on it and you break it down, it's absolutely wild. Jack, you were going through the book or no? Yeah. Yeah?

Yeah. You're finding it beneficial? Yeah, I didn't get as far. either of you, I don't think. But I loved it so far. Decoding Cody, I believe it's available right now on slingshotlibrary.com. So you can check it out. Jack, put a link in the description for that slingshotlibrary.com if it's not there.

But those are, the slingshotlibrary.com is basically Slingshot Nation. And it's my recommended reading list. A lot of those people on that website are actually friends of mine. And so go ahead and check it out, Slingshotlibrary.com. Okay, guys, so I got to throw Derek under the bus a little bit here. That always happens. We were, we're going to,

so one of the topics we're going to talk about, Derek had some really good information on it. And we're like, send that to Jack. And he's like literally, like five minutes later, he still hasn't sent it to Jack and he's like knuckling his thumb like an ape and I'm like what are you doing? And he's like, should I

take screenshots and send the picture or something like that? I'm like, bro, just send a profile on Instagram and the Jack. How do I do that? Give me your phone. And I sent it and I made a joke and I was like soon you'll have AI being able to do the text messages before you, don't worry. And it reminded me

of and I tried looking for it real quick and I couldn't find it. There was an Instagram. We talk about AI on the show a lot. We were going to talk about quantum AI today and stuff. We'll probably push that off for another week. But we talk about all this stuff on the show.

I saw a reel on Instagram that was hilarious. If I could find it, I would have Jack play it right now because it was this guy and he's standing in his kitchen and he's making like these caveman sounds. He's like, you know, like grunting and everything.

So that was me. And like drooling on the. counter in front of his computer. And he, and he, uh, he's asking chat GPT, he has a loaf of bread. And he's asking chat chitpt how to make a loaf of, how to make a sandwich, a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. And he's just like, because, you know, we talk about how you, you've mentioned several times how like AI is making us dumber.

Yes. And so it's like this depiction that like, we won't even be able to make our own sandwiches soon because of, because of AI. Dude, it's funny because it's like you have the straw like that. Have you seen the reels of the strawberry asking Chachy Petita to spell strawberry? Oh, yes. Talk about the, yeah. It's so funny because it's like how many R's are in strawberry.

And I tried this on my own too. And I was like, how many ours are in strawberry? And it says, there are two R's in strawberry. And when you correct it, it goes, ah, yes. And you say, you know, like, aren't there more ours? Or is you sure that's the right number of ours? It's like, oh, yes, you're right. There's one R in strawberry.

It never says three. Literally never. Even after you have it spell it out, I said, spell out strawberry. It's spelled strawberry. And it's like, are there not three R's in there? It's like, oh, you caught me. You're right. There are three R's.

I mean, Chad GBT, this thing that's telling us how to make a PBN can't even spell strawberry right. Are we making AI dumber? Because we're so dumb. Maybe. Let me test it right now. We're going to go on Chad, GBT here. So, hey, can you hear me chat GPT?

Ah. Chat GPT, can you hear me? See, it knew we were going to talk about it and try making it sound dumb. It's not answering. It's not answering. He's like, no, I'm not playing in your games right now. Chat, TPT, can you hear me? That's why it's not answering. He's like, he's like, nope, not going to do it. Not monitoring you right now. Oh my gosh. That's funny. So, yeah, I, I mean, that is funny. And I didn't even think to try that myself, but that's crazy that, like,

chat CBT, are, all right, so are we getting dumber, or are we making chatGBT on our level of dumb? Yeah. I think it's just like, it's a mimic.

It's trying to mimic our, it's trying to feel good. It's like, it's like, oh, there's two, no, there's three.

Oh, that's right. You got me. See, we're the same. We're the same. We're the same. We're the same.

Oh my gosh. But anyways, I just, that when you were having a hard time with that, it just, that was where my brain went and everything. I was teaching algebra to my kids last night, too. I don't know how to push buttons on Instagram. Well, so you're a genius for the old world. The old world, yes. But you haven't leveled up yet. No. I need my chip. Which is kind of oddly leveling down at the same time. It's weird. It's a weird dimension we're living in. So, guys, listen, let's talk about real quick, L.A. Marzuli and his, I guess it's a UFO Disclosure Summit. Jack, what is it called? Do you remember? I think it was UFO deception or something. Yeah, that's what it was. Age of deception. Age of deception. That's what it is. I was drawing a blank because, well, no, that's the, that's his

documentary. Well, that's the document. If you go to Deception, 2006.com is his website for his, the summit they're coming up with in a week from now. And I was just talking him on the phone about the other day. He's really excited about it. And there's a lot of people who have been on the show that are part of it. Vicki Joy Anderson, Larry Raglan, obviously, L.A. Marzuli, Tim Alarino is going to be there. Karen Wilkison is going to be there. Alan Deio is going to be there. And it's, it's a virtual, right? It's a live virtual event that people can get tickets to. And do we have a video promote for that, Jack? Yes. Can you square that up and get that ready to rock? Because I'd like to play that for the people. It's really something that I'm just really excited to see happening

because this, and I haven't even had a chance to watch the age of disclosure yet, but I know it's having a huge impact on culture and society. And so it's always good to have the balancing act. And the fact that you have at this summit, the voices that he has there, I mean, within the summit itself, there will be this balancing of different perspectives, which is going to be really good. So why don't you show the people what we're talking about? We go. Hold on one second. He forgot the audio on that.

So we are buffering, buffering, buffering. The great UFO deception summit, unmasking the strong delusion. Why are we doing this? Because it's happening. I mean, I've been banging Mr. Trump for 30 years. And it is absolutely happening with the new film, Age of Disclosure, which we've already commented on with this. They just keep rolling it out in ways that I've never seen before. The book, Rungs of Disclosure, only goes up to run number 17. We're up to rung number 25.

For $19.99, we have total access to it. We'll also be showing three films. So let me just give you an idea who's going to be there. Gary Stearman, Mando Gonzalez, Karen Wilkinson, Alan Didillo, Tim Albarino, Derek Gilbert, Vicki Joy Emerson, Josh Peck, Larry Raglan. Of course, yours truly L.A. Marzilli, we're also going to be showing at least two films, possibly a third one, if we had the time. One will be in the debris field, where we're actually in the brieffield in Roswell.

The other of what is the truth? Think about it, folks. Recently, there was more activity in the halls of Congress concerning the UFO-UAP phenomenon. U.S. Representative Eric Burlinson revealed a video of a missile striking and unidentified aerial craft phenomena, a UAP. With the release of the film, Age of Disclosure,

in the very beginning of the film, at least half a dozen people who are ex-nilitary, ex-government officials, congressmen, congresswoman, scientists, physicists, and others state on the record, on the record, that we are not alone, that we are not alone. Think about that.

This sets the tone for the rest of the film. As many whistleblowers come forward to state that not only do we have, crash craft, but we have the bodies. The non-human biologics recovered from these crash craft. Are these intruders really from a far away star or are they interdimensional entities with a very nefarious agenda? Jesus warns us that men with

faith and fear from what is coming upon the earth. Those words are a very dire warning. The great UFO Deception Summit 2026 unmasking the strong delusion. Please go to Deception, 26.com, and sign up. It's really important. People need to hear the messages from our speakers. Thanks. I'll see you on January 16th. I'm 17th. Man, I'm excited for that. I'm excited for that. And Derek Gilbert, he's going to be on the show soon, right? Are we working on that? We're working on Gilbert. We're working on Derek Gilbert. Josh Peck is somebody who I've always flirted with the idea of reaching out to. And I think this is a reminder I should have him on the

show too. So, I mean, Josh Peck, I think he does a, well, I'm sure he does a lot of stuff, but when I first came across him, he talked a lot about new age stuff. I think he came out of the new age and just really a wealth of information. So shout out to Josh Peck. Maybe one day you and I will cross paths. But yeah, that thing is going to be fire. I mean, just the voices they have on it, it's going to be crazy. And this light is crooked. It's going to bother me. And it's virtual. So maybe we can hit it while we're driving. We can watch it while we're cruising. Yeah, because we are going on a monster hunt.

That's right. We're going on a monster. Speaking of monster hunts, though, there's a monster in Pennsylvania that's been hunting dead people. Dun, dun, done, done. All true. This is all true. It's crazy, right? Why don't you tell people about it a little bit?

Well, this guy got busted for having over 100 human remains in his house. And it seems like he was shopping them off on Instagram and selling them. Yes. So he has human skulls. He has mummified cats. He's making chimeras of skeletons. Very strange things. But he was illegally digging up bodies, and that's what he got busted for.

Yeah. And, you know, I got an honest question here. When does it turn? Like, how long does somebody need to be dead for it to turn from grave robbing to archaeology? Just question. I think if the family is still mourning, if you're grave robbing. Gotcha, got you.

Okay, good enough. Good enough. We're still visiting. Asking for our friend, you know. By the way, I know I'm from Pennsylvania. I don't know him. No, but his name is Jonathan Gerlich or Gerlach, and he's from Efferda, which is, that's in the Lehigh Valley area, right?

Yes. Yeah. So apparently, he's, um, apparently. he was going, I know down to a cemetery in Yeadon, which is like a suburb of Philly. And he was going into these, what's the word? I'm drawn a blank. I asked you for the word earlier because I couldn't remember it. Mausoleum.

Mausoleum. Thank you. Mausoleum. And he's been going into these places and taking these skeletons out. And let me just read some of this here because it's absolutely wild. I didn't even know you could break into a mausoleum. Yeah. Well, he was doing with a crowbar.

Wow. That's crazy. So it says here, the burglary started last fall with detectives tracking reports of vandalism and theft from at least 26 mausoleums and underground vaults at the cemetery. And the Yeadon mayor said, the remains stolen include human bones, headless, torsos, skulls, mummified feet,

and a skeleton with a pacemate. are still attached. Holy cow. Like he was, and he was doing like all ages, babies, like adults, everything. And so, like, I remember reading one of the articles and they said that, like, this process of finding out who these people are that he had in his home. Like, I got the sense. They didn't want to say it, but they're like, it's impossible.

Like, like, how, like, we got to figure out where the missing bones are. like where the locations are of missing bones, then we need to take all these bones that we found and what, I guess DNA, if there's DNA records. Yeah, or like really high, like, Ph.D. people that can look at bones and analyze it, but. Like, that is, that's wild. I mean, like, putting myself in the victim's shoes of that, right?

I mean, imagine burying a child, you know? imagine, you know, you had a child that was five years old, passed away from cancer, to find out that their grave is empty. And somewhere in this man's house is your child's bones. Like, I imagine that requires some counseling, you know? Yeah. Yeah. My mother-in-law, like in their Indian, she's Christian, but in their beliefs, it's like,

they want to be not cremated, but they want to make sure their bones are there because they want to be resurrected with the dead. So, like, interrupting their bones and their burial is interrupting kind of, like, that rejuvenation aspect of when Christ returns. So it says here that the detectives started noticing a RAV-4 same license plate at these cemeteries. And right around the time the burglary started taking place. And so they started looking into it.

And they were, I guess, staking out. a cemetery and they catch him walking out of the cemetery carrying a burlap sack and a crowbar. Oh my gosh. And when they looked inside the RAV-4, it was just visible bones everywhere. Like, it was just like this guy just, it was almost like he wasn't, I know he wasn't shy of it. Like he wasn't ashamed of it. He wasn't trying to hide it what he was into because of his social media. But even in his car, he was just like, yeah,

my bones, skeletons, skulls, you know. It's crazy. So I'm trying to see here in the article where some of this information is. So Gerlach told police that he used the crowbar to force open a grave and steal remains that night of his arrest. He also admitted to stealing at least 30 sets of human remains from the cemetery in total, just that cemetery. Just that cemetery.

That's crazy. So Gerlach is charged with 574 offenses total, including more than 100 counts of abuse of a corpse. He also faces dozens of accounts of intentional desecration of venerated objects, burglary, trespassing, criminal mischief, theft, receiving stolen property, and historic lots and burial places. Um, his trials for, is set for his preliminary preliminary trial is set for January 20th. And, and yeah, so this guy, I looked him up on social and so did you. And the other day when I came across his social, and I'll let you kind of get into what you saw on his Instagram here in a second. But because I didn't even look at his Instagram. What I want, my first thought, my first thought was let me go to Facebook and see if he is a friend of mine.

Because over the years I don't really accept friend requests on Facebook anymore But like For years I would just accept people Who were fans of the show And so like

I'm like Was he a listener of the show You know Because it's kind of like You never know And then Is there any like mutual friends Right

There were There were mutual friends Oh wow And so I blocked those mutual friends I was like, I don't actually know you. And because you're a mutual friend of this guy, I want nothing to do with you. I'm weirded out now. So he had two Facebook profiles that I came across.

They visually from the outside looking in identical. Except for one, the friend count was 16 friends. And all of the friends, except for a couple, except for a couple, were very, very, very. Visibly into the same thing as him. Visibly, like, into skulls and showing off skulls in their homes and things. So, like, there's, like, an underground market for this. And, like, there also, what also I saw that detectives also saw that there was a Facebook group that he was in that was just riddled with these kind of posts.

And so, like, there's a whole market that they're probably tapping into here. And when I laughed, when I laughed out loud before we went live, I went to this Facebook page of his. And, like, his cover photo is an up-close picture of teeth still attached to a skull. And his profile picture is him holding one of the skulls in the picture. But his friend count went from 16 to 14. since the last time I looked at his. I'm like, somebody's hiding. Oh, don't be connected.

Yeah, don't be connected. That's smart. So they're like, okay, unfriend, but here's a thing. They got your data, friends. They got your data, you know. And if the police come knocking on Facebook's door, Facebook has had a past of handing over that information very openly and willingly. Wasn't it the NSA that set up,

a whole system where they recorded the internet, like, every second anyway. So, like, all of it's recorded. Really? Yeah, that was back in, like, the early 2000s. They set that stuff up. Oh, my gosh. Nothing's safe. Everybody screwed.

Everyone's screwed. Ain't no secrets, friends. No. Just come out with it. You into grave robbing? Just say it because they already know. And more to your point, it's that, like, if they're selling this, like, you're never going to, like, recapture all the pieces.

of these bodies for the grieving people. That's such a great point. Like, I mean, how many of these bones have already been sold, you know, off market with cash, no trace? This one guy I saw, because I, so I went to the friends, the 16 friends,

I went to their profiles and stuff. And like, some of these people are doing some weird stuff, man. This one guy, he was posting on his Facebook how his, I guess he was getting kicked out his his apartment or he was moving he had to move and he had to get offload his some of his

collection because it was just he didn't have any space for where he was going I suppose one of the things he was offloading and trying to sell was a complete skeleton in a wooden like like Dracula looking casket like authentic like 100% authentic and he's like no low balling I know what this, I know what the value is of this and I don't have to get rid of it. So don't lowball me. I'm like, what the heck? You know, so like, that's where that question came in, though, because, like, he was doing it in a way that made me feel like, is there a law that allows for this to happen in a legal way, like for collectors, you know? And, and because, like, wait, that guy was talking. It was almost like, he was like, I got nothing to hide. I'm into this stuff and

I'm doing it legally. That's way it seemed. I know that people can don't. their bodies for science, and that's how science acquires a lot of what they have that are real bones and things. But, I mean, if it's acquired through those avenues, it would probably be legal. Yeah. But not grave robbing. Wow. That's crazy. It's crazy. You sent, well, I sent for you the Instagram page. Jack, do you have that Instagram page? Like, I haven't even seen it yet, but I wouldn't mind seeing some of these things because you were talking about some of the stuff that's- Yeah, well, he pulls it up. It's interesting, too, because like what kind of spiritual connotations are with that? Like, we know that with Elijah's bones, right? Like the soldier fell on it and he was revived. Yeah. Like there's a spiritual

connotation to the blood and the bones. So like if you have a collection of random bones, like Elijah was a holy man. What if you're pulling up like some really dark grandpa guy and all that darkness is kind of still encompassed in his bones? Like all the spiritual connotation that's in that house is wild. Yeah. It's dark. It definitely is dark. And what are some of the things you saw in that on that Instagram page because I don't know if Jack's having a hard time pulling it up or what but well no you guys are talking so I mean pull it up pull it up sucker no dead air Derek I was like he said what it's things um what are some of the things you were seeing yeah so there's like there's a chimera like he's got mummified cats on a chair that he was selling there's a chimera

like the snake cheese click on that one dang dang so like do you think he's wow so he's probably like not only selling this stuff, but he's like making it his own Frankenstein. Like his own art of Frankenstein. Wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. I mean, he had like a gorilla skull. There's

really interesting ones in here. Wow. There's a weird. Hey, hold on pause. Pause for a second. I mean, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like, I mean, you know what I mean, right? Like, it's not it's not rocket science.

plus one equals two still, right? Am I right in that? Yeah. So is it, are we going to be caught off guard and be like, oh, wow. I wonder if he's into the dark arts. You know? Maybe. Did he just wake up one day and decide that this would be a good idea

or was there a progression here? I wonder if I went into his house and I saw all these skulls, when I find a Ouija board maybe? Do you think he talks to spirits? Do you think he maybe tries to contact the spirits that are connected to these dead? bones. You think he drinks out of skulls? It's probable. Do you think maybe he's directed by demonic entities possibly to go to these grave sites and he's

told which ones to dig up because he's supposed to retrieve the bones for the dead spirit that he thinks he's talking to? I wonder. Yeah. You know what I mean? Oh, no, for sure. That's so judgy, Tony. Whatever. I mean, like, it's kind of obvious, right? In his one post, he's got to click on that, the book. Click on that book. Can you see anything on that book? What it is? just has the human body Okay, okay One of the people that was following him on Facebook They

In their pictures Had tons of witchcraft books In the backdrop behind them And like it was just There's like a domino effect of this stuff right Like it's just like you just It's not rocket science You know what's going on here

It's not natural and normal to wake up and think that your hobby is going to be grave robbing, collecting human bones. Like, there's, it's weird. It's weird. It's weird. It's just weird. I think that's like the one thing moving here that was really shocking is how much

occult activity is all around us all the time. And like being here, yeah, opening your eyes to it. It's wild to understand how prevalent it is more so than I ever thought it was. Dude, I was even talking to Pagani about that this morning because he's from New York and now he's down south and I'm from Philly down south now and we were talking about the cultural differences in this area compared to up north

and one, yeah, I told him how there was this like pagan festival in our church's neighborhood I think like a year ago and it was on a Saturday and we come in on a Sunday to worship and there's these ashes spread across the door of every... I think it was like every door of the church. I didn't see it. They had cleaned it by the time I got there.

But like... I saw it. It happened. It's real. Yeah. You did see it? Yeah. Yeah, we started for worship early. And there was definitely like ashes. It was across every door?

Yeah. Across the threshold of all the doors. So you would have to walk over the ashes. How'd you guys handle that situation? I think they washed it out. We prayed. Yeah. Tored down.

Yep, Toredown. Yeah. But, you know, we were talking about that and how, like, it's just so, like, he was saying, I forget how he said it, but it's like the demonic principalities here are different than they are up north. And he's like, even though it's Appalachia stems up to New York, like the Appalachia demons here are different than up there. And one of the things that he said to me is that up there, they don't really follow you home. They don't really come home. They're just out in the public. They're out there. You see demons manifesting out everywhere. Down here, he's like, you don't see much of that. You actually, it's more like they come home, and that's where the issues are.

And he called it a religious spirit that's here. And it's like, it's tidy. It's neat. It's polished. It's not going to be wild out in your face. It's more behind the scenes kind of principality. And I was just like, man, that makes a lot of sense. Makes a lot of sense.

But anyways, I don't know how we got on that. Anything else on the grave robber? Jack, did you know him? No. Are you sure? You didn't go to school with him? Well, I can't say for certain, but I believe I don't know him. You might want to check your Facebook and just make sure.

So, but yeah, I mean, that was just crazy. So we talked about the Pennsylvania monster, but now we're going to go from human monsters to monster monsters because we have a unique opportunity this coming week to hunt

the Ozark Howler and the way this kind of came together is we're traveling to another location to record an interview with somebody

and while we're out and about we are swinging through the Ozarks Pretty much, yeah. Because we had, I had two guys on the show. And the first guy was episode 642, and his name was Nathan. It was a member's episode, and I think I called it the White Beast. And he had this experience, an ongoing experience.

He had two experiences himself. We're going to get into it. I want to play these clips today on the show. but he had two of his own encounters with this white beast in the Ozarks. And then his mom had her own experiences. And what kind of stood out to me as a unique feature of this thing is he said that it was shaggy. It had white shaggy hair. Now, people know my affinity for the Pennsylvania white Bigfoot.

Like, I love that video. Okay, Carbondale, Pennsylvania, for me, it's legendary. For the rest of the world, they don't even know what I'm talking about probably. I love that video. It's an amazing video. Right? It's one of my favorites. Thank you.

When I point to Bigfoot footage, I actually point to that in Patterson Gimlet. Yes. Yeah, it's so good. And here's the thing. I've seen the explanations online. One, this is before AI. So anybody who's coming across it in 2026, just know this was shot like in 2010. Before we had AI.

people would say that's a guy wearing a hood and I'm like I don't know first of all I don't know how you get hood out of that I just don't unless he's like KKK dude

and it's that kind of hood he pulls it over cut some holes in it but like when he hits it with the light you see the lips pinched together it squints as it ducks like it is

a wild video and the eyebrows move the eyebrows yes the shifting of the eyebrows is incredible. And he's so close. Like for a horrible camera, he was probably just like 10 feet away. Dude, I'm so glad you liked this video. That's why you hired me. Like, no, it's not, but it's a bonus. It's a bonus. Like, we haven't talked about this before.

No, we never talked about it. Like, I just, anyways, because when I was going, when I was in Pennsylvania before I had the podcast and I was going out into the Appalachian Mountains, Appalachian up there, we call it Appalachian Mountains. That's the visual I had in my head. I'm like, I'm going to be all this thing. It's a giant white monster running around the mountains. It's not that hard. The people hunting Bigfoot, they're idiots. And I'm going to be able figure this out. And here I am

15 years later. Chasing a white beast. Chasing a white beast still. Still on the trail. So what stood out, though, in Nathan's experience is that he's saying there's this white beast and I'm like, oh man, the Pennsylvania white Bigfoot. And then he says, it was covered in hair.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. long shaggy hair and it covered its face. I couldn't see the face. I'm like, that doesn't seem like the same thing I'm thinking about. Because the whole qualifier for the Pennsylvania White Bigfoot is the fact that you can see its face. You see it squinting. You see the lips pinched together.

It's nose, everything. And so I'm like, oh, this is wild. And so I was fascinated by his story. And Jack, why don't you play the first clip of his? I think I numbered them, right? Yeah, play the first clip. I was about, I would say, 13, 14. I was getting to go into eighth grade.

And me and my mom were sitting on the porch. We had these two dogs, Catalina and Spaz. And Catalina was just itty-bitty little chihuahua. But she was completely all about the action. She was an outside dog. So whether it be raccoon, deer, bear, she was going to fight it. She was going to try. She was going to yap her way all the way out into the woods to chase it down.

We were sitting on the front porch, and both of them were standing at the edge of our house. They were barking for probably a good five minutes. About five minute mark, my mom was kind of like, hey, you know, you want to go out and check and see what they're barking at, because normally they would have already chased whatever it is off. So I had walked around the side of our house, and as I come up next to it, I kind of have this now knowing why I had the gut feeling. I had this weird feeling like, well, if it's a raccoon or a possum, I don't want to step directly on it. So I kind of came out into the yard a little bit.

And I come around the corner and there's a fed of trees that were kind of catty corner. And they stuck out. The tree line wasn't for another 70 yards. There's just two trees that was in the middle of our yard. And I'm kind of standing there for a minute, looking, trying to figure out what I'm looking at. But there's this massive whiteboard standing in between these trees and I stared at it

and like the more I stared at it the more confusing it got if that makes sense. The more I looked at it, the less it made sense. Growing up in that area, you see bobcats, not Mayans, beer, you know, all the normal animals, there's bear out there. So it's not far-fetched to see any of those.

But it was about seven foot and it was hunched over and it had its arms kind of dangling and its arms front arms didn't quite touch the ground and I could remember

it had its head popped to the side and it was just staring in my direction the part that kind of obviously you know the bothers me about this was there was no face to it

there was a shape where like a head would be but I couldn't distinct eye, I couldn't distinct mouth, I couldn't stink ears. I could just see arms, I could see a hunch, and I could just see it. I could tell it was staring at me, if that makes sense.

And I probably stood there for probably a good solid 60 seconds, which is a long time, and my mom kind of was just watching. I think she thought I was stroking something in the woods. I completely locked. I'm like,

I'm not a lie. People talk about you know, fight or flight. I was frozen. I couldn't do nothing. To be completely honest, I started crying. And I just stood there and I stared at it. And my mom is, I would say, 30 yards from me sitting on my porch. And I didn't know this until talking to her later on. She was screaming my name the whole time.

She was trying to get my attention and I was just deadlocked. After about a minute, she got up off the porch. She should come over and as she gets off the porch, both of the dogs darted at it. And, of course, I ran full blown panic. I come into the house, my mom called my stepdad. She's like, hey, there's something here. You need to get down here fast.

He come down, and we had a big dump truck with a bunch of spotlights on it. He got out there with a gun and he parked that thing in between those two trees and kind of sat out there. And he kept trying to get me to come out and talk to him. And I was like, no, I'm not seven foot outside. Yeah, that's it. You know, this thing was so big that, like, it could have, it could have barreled through the side of my wall with these. Like, that's literally how my brain processes. At night, this thing is going to smash through my wall.

It's going to take everything in its way. And, I mean, I was mortified. He was on his way out the door. Joe sit on the stump truck. And I told him, I was like, that gun you got ain't going to stop, whatever that is. Like, you don't have to take enough around in one of our safes or whatever was standing out there. I'm sorry, I kind of skipped around a little bit. When I ran, one of the things I noticed right before I ran was my dog started,

and it seemed to have spooked whatever it was, because it started to run too, but it wasn't running in my direction. It was actually running back towards the woods behind my house. And when it ran, it, it, it, it, it sounds stupid. It's going to sound weird to say, but it looked as if it was bipedal but trying to figure out how to run on the force. Like, it looked like it fell and then its front hands caught it at this like last second, and it did a weird sideways motion where it shoved itself around and spun, and then it barreled through the woods.

And when this thing was moving at it, it's not like a freight truck run under the woods. Like, I've heard bears run through the woods. I've heard all kinds of animals to tear, tearing through the woods and the thighs alone of this thing and the sound like it really jacked me up. Yeah. So, I mean, that was the first clip. I want to play more clips of his. But I think in our discussion back and forth, he and I talking is where I uncovered the shaggy aspect of this, if I remember correctly. So I'm not sure if that's going to be part of this. But I distinctly remember the shaggy. That's why I called it the white beast and the image that I used for was this shaggy white beast.

And I remember, so the way him and I had this conversation, it was like a two-hour show, I remember sitting there working on the thumbnail imagery of it while him and I are talking because my mind was like turning. And I was like, ooh, ooh, I think. And when I showed him the image, he was like, that looks a lot like what I saw. And so maybe, no, don't worry about it. I was going to say pull up that image, but it doesn't matter. So that was his original experience he had with this.

And then what we're going to play is the second clip, which is he, I believe it was years later was talking to a friend or a cousin about the experience and it happens again. And just as people are watching this part, but also thinking back to what he was just talking about, just think about some of the the aspects of this because there I believe there's a there's signs that are pointing to the supernatural aspect of this thing so go ahead Jack started to tell him about this story and he very much so had had had had paranormal experiences on this road that we left on but never anything like that and I'm telling him the story and you could tell he was just kind of like oh yeah sure I'm on

I imagine it was just like that, you know. So I'm telling it to him and he's like, well, hey, I'm going to use the ration. So he steps inside and I had looked out and again, this was the same backyard and about 70 yards out is our tree line. And I see about seven, eight foot pole white floor. And it's just casually, very slowly moving through the woods. I panicked. I open my back door and I'm like, hey, man, it's out here. You've got to come up to this guy.

It's here. He's right there. So he ran that down. By the time I shut the door behind him, I'm not seeing it. I can still hear it, and he can hear it. But he kind of played it off again. He's like, yeah, the dude, you're probably seeing an al-bime of year or something. You know, it's possible.

And I was like, okay, he goes back inside, and I sat there for a minute. And then I see that white blur again. And it's just far enough away that I can't make out full-body definition, but I can make out size and I can make out color and it is every bit of between seven, eight foot. And I mean, it's, it is so wide. Like, a bear is a bad way to describe it because the bear is the easiest way to describe it,

but it was if a bear stood on top of another bear's shoulders and hunched over. It was just so absurdly large and unproportionate bodyways. Like, if Lawrence didn't seem to make sense the way that they sat and the way it was, It was hunched over. It didn't look like it was meant to be hunched over. It looked like it just wanted to stand up or something.

You know, it was very awkward looking. And I stared at it for a minute. I kind of thought, you know, if I go back in, there's a chance I lose this thing. So I'll just sit here and watch it and see what happens. And so I watched it for a minute. It just kind of slowly moved right there at the edge of the tree line. And out of nowhere, it just, started into a full strength.

It is moving and it's moving to the right side of our property. And we used to have a trailer that sat down there, an old trailer and like a giant silo tank and just kind of miscellaneous jump that we had pushed to the side when we were moving houses in.

And it made it to that direction. And I remember hearing what sounded like not necessarily like it bounced off against the silo, but like as if, and I know this sounds like, it almost sounds like, it almost of like if somebody picked up a piece of sheet metal and was smacking the tank.

Like there was those colo sound and it was like metal on metal, like scratching. I remember hearing it and just thinking like, the thing is tearing this tank up right now. Somebody's going to hear it. I'm five. And I listened to it and it made this weird sound for probably 10 seconds. And then it was gone. I'm saying, does everybody, is everybody on the same track as me?

Are we all thinking the same thing? on the count of three we're going to say the one word we're all thinking, right? One, two, three. Portal. Are you guys dumb? I knew metal that came up in your mind. I don't know.

I couldn't read your mind. I was going to say portal, but I was like, Tony doesn't like portals anymore. But no, it's not that I don't like portals. We're not fascinated by doors. Yeah. We're not fascinated by gateways. But doors do exist.

We don't deny the existence of doors. Right? So in his first account, he talks about this thing getting spooked by the dogs. And when it starts running, if you catch what he said, he said, it was almost like it didn't know how to run. If I knew the timestamp of that clipjack, I'd tell you to go back to it. But it was like he described it as almost like it didn't really know how to use its own body. And again, I might be adding context because I know I had the conversation with him and him

and I threaded this out throughout the conversation. But so his first experience is this thing. awkwardly large, awkwardly looking, and then when it tries to run, it's almost like it's not familiar with its body. And then his second experience is this thing going, and out of sight,

he hears what sounds like somebody's slapping or banging a metallic piece of sheet metal. Well, I'm almost certain that Groves, Martin Groves, which, by the way, everybody should keep him in your prayer, he's been really fighting health issues.

But him and I were talking, I think, last week on Messenger. And he is interested. He'd like to come out to the studio. Again, he's a lot of things he'd like to share. But we're just trying to pace it. I want to pace it with him. I don't want to face it with him. I don't want him to feel like he has to come.

But I know he wants to come. But anyways, people just keep him in prayers because he's been fighting a lot of health issues. So I'm pretty sure when he talks. about, yeah, in fact, I know what he said. Martin Gross talked about when he was leading into his experience with the dog man, he's walking this trail, and he assumed what was paralleling him was a hunter's dogs. But he heard what he described as at that time a metallic door closing, slamming shut. And so we got metallic door slamming, metallic sheet metal slamming. And I don't know where this idea came from.

And I don't want to be, I'm not saying it's me. But I know I've talked about it a lot on the show, and I might have heard it from somewhere else. In fact, I feel like maybe it was missing 401, David Polites is where I heard it from, if it wasn't my idea. But like, this is becoming a popularized idea over the last few years. It's not historically popular.

but the idea that is it possible that things that are piercing our dimension from another side, the gateway, when they pierce the gateway, does that have a sound? And does that sound sound to us familiarized as metallic? Because a lot of times people say they have these experiences and there was a metallic sound in the woods. There was a metallic sound that they heard during this experience. And so with Nathan, he has this experience where, the first time he sees it, it's scary, it's hulking, it gets scared, and when it starts running, it's like it's not familiar with its body. Then his second experience, he has the metallic sound.

He doesn't say that he saw it disappear into a portal, but he heard the metallic sound, him and I explored it during the conversation. When you take those two things together, this is my theory, and I'm pretty sure I said this on the show too. Is it possible? And not even possible, but logistically, could this be a third? theory that if an entity pierces the veil comes through. And there's different types of demonic entities. There's different types of nephalim entities. There's different types of entities. There's a lot, right? If this creature is manifesting here, if it's confound, if it's bound by the, the, the, the restraints of time, then it doesn't matter how many trips it took piercing that veil. There's

always a first time. And if there's a first time for a creature to pierce the veil and come through to hear, is there an adjustment period with learning the physics of this realm compared to what it's used to? And could that manifest in a dog running at it, it getting scared to go run and trying to figure out how to use his body to run away? Thoughts. That's a domino thought process that my mind went down. And that's why I say, theory, not even possibility, not this is set in stone, but rather it's just when you think about little things like that, like people want to talk about, oh, you know, came through a portal. What does that actually look like the first time something comes through a portal?

I don't know. Is there on the other side like Monsters Inc. a whole factory training facility like on how to scare the, pop out of the closet and scare the kids and work on your roar more. You go into Roar training, you know? That's kind of like what it makes me feel like. Yeah. Like it was like a, it almost failed its monster training.

Like historically, demons always have a smell of sulfur, which makes me think of like skunk ape and those aspects too. So like a smell is usually associated with demonic entities. It wouldn't be surprising if there was also like noise oriented with certain entities coming through. Yeah. I also like to think Bigfoot maybe crawls a lot because I think they crawl like, you know, those spider images and stuff. Like, is that them passing through caves and things like that?

They're, like, more adapt to being on all fours and they are running on legs. Yeah. What you just said made me think, Jack, we should probably work on getting a file, like a library file of images that come up on the show at times. Because I don't have it available right now. I could track it down, but it's going to take time. I have these images that are, were taken from a, I believe it was a game trail cam that was posted. Or maybe it was even like a ring camera. I don't know.

It was black and white. some kind of low-quality camera that was posted on somebody's porch. And they have this, because they have Bigfoot coming up to the property. His name is Corky. He's in Ohio, I believe. Corky, I want to say Maple or something like that. But he's been around a long time. And I don't even think he really talks about Bigfoot a whole lot anymore,

but it's just a matter-of-fact reality on his property. And he has images of what looks like a very large spider crawling across his yard and there's several different, I think it's like two shots of it being in different locations or positions, like whatever it was, was moving. And it was very large. And it looked like it could be some kind of monster that was down on the ground crawling, kind of like what West Gormer talks about in his, his Bigfoot encounter. Was that the one like that's back beyond the grass on like a, where the metal starts? No, this, what I'm talking about was actually in his yard coming up to his front porch. Is that the one that you had talked to,

was it TJ the Nephilim Bloodlines guy Possibly Like the Because I remember Showing that image In one of the episodes

That we did And it was like the round table That had the You know Big dude I think his name was TJ Oh yeah Yeah I remember

I was trying to remember TJ Yeah And but yeah That one is crazy Because that's like One of the clearest I think it It might actually be

The clearest image That's out there Of the The spider crawl Yeah Absolutely I don't even know how we could find it real quick, but I'll start searching around.

If I can find it, I'll send it to Jack to look up. But it's interesting when you start hearing people's experiences and how they kind of line up with each other and people who don't even know each other, right? So the last two clips I want to play from Nathan are actually clips where he is now talking about, talking to his mom about it. I guess he wanted verification and she tells him what she remembers and what she's

experience. And these aren't as detailed because it's him just relaying his mom's experiences. But I think it's telling. I kind of pulled my mom to the side and she starts telling me the story of when we were, give or take about eight or nine, she'd come home and work. She worked late nights of hospitals and she pulled into our driveway. She got out and she said that she had this just god-awful feeling that's weird like to be unwatched. And she said she stood there in the yard, staring off behind our house.

And she said she couldn't see nothing and she turned around to get back into her car. When she turned around, there was what she described to be almost the exact thing thing. What I think she said it was this massive. She's had humanoid looking thing. She said it was just absolutely massive. She set scared her to her core. My stepdad was telling me, I should come in full blown meltdown, sobbing. I just could not hold it together, whatever the same was just didn't make sense. So my mom tells me this and I'm obviously, for the first time of my life, I am so ridiculously

jaked out. I'm like, okay, somebody's seen it. I'm not crazy. I'm not alone. Right, right. And I had always wanted to ask my mom, but. We had seen so much things growing up that I just didn't. She wasn't around the corner when I first seen it,

but I just couldn't fathom that what I would seem was something real, like something that anybody else had. So I really tried to bury that deep. But actually she told me the story I kind of let the sink with me overnight. And that next morning I called her or I messaged her. I need to know one thing so that, you know, I know that we really have action up here. I was like, what does its face look like?

and of course that long anticipation it was probably only two minutes that I waited for a message but when she finally messages she back she's like you know yeah strangely enough it didn't really seem to have much of a face like she was like I could see where her face should be but there was there was just nothing really there so and I know that sounds uncanny slender man like but it wasn't quite the same the same was very much so covered and fur um so there could have been something there just covered and matted maybe From where we were standing, there was just a shape of a head and ungodly body. I cut him off there.

Sorry, Nathan. Sorry, Nathan. He paused a little long there for my ADHD brain. I was like, oh, you're done, right? So that's his mom. And one of the descriptions that she had was that she didn't see the face. And so there's a common theme here now between him and his mom having this experience where there's no facial features.

And then, Jack, if you can line up the clip number four. here, the last one for him, and have his mom share or him share about his mom again. Here recently, we had one of our family friends passed away. We had a big bonfire out that road. And she said during the bonfire, she caught a glimpse and she said she can't 100% verify it's the same thing. But she had caught a glimpse of something white, creep in the edge of the tree line. And of course, she was in the mindset of, you know, this is 20, 30 people out there drinking, shooting guns. She wasn't particularly worried that this thing was going to venture much farther than what it was.

But she was, once me and her talk about, she was like, I wasn't going to say nothing to nobody. But if you know that there's something weird walking out there, she's like that night, there was something moving around again. And that was, I would say, last year was when this bond fire was. So that was very recent. So, like, he's, when I talk to him, that's 642 is the episode. So that's what? Probably two years ago. So he said last year's, let's just say that happened to her three years ago.

So this isn't like a legend where it's like, we don't, we haven't seen it in years. It's active. It is coming around. His mom saw it twice. He's seen it twice. It's Kern and up to date. And before we get into this. next section of this conversation, Jack, I sent you some of these pictures of the spider crawl

because I just, it's really good. So if you go pull those pictures up, are you ready for those? Not quite. I don't, give me one second. All right. We'll give Jack a second. Derek, what do you think about that? Well, I mean, if we were going to talk about the spider crawl quick, that it's really crazy. And it could just be that they're double-jointed when we look at the photo that if you could

do like a pop your knees opposite way. and maybe if it was crawling and it couldn't pop its knees just right, maybe that's why it could not walk or right, you know, in a moment. That's really interesting. I never thought about the double-jointed nature of these as being a possibility.

Yeah. Because at times, you hear people describe their experiences with these entities and they're like, they say it doesn't seem natural, as you can see on the screen here. That's, again, I don't remember, it looks like a cropped image

or something like that that he sent me. So I don't know what the actual dimensions of the footage is and the proportions and what's the aspect ratio, you know? But that was in his yard coming towards his house.

Oh my gosh. And I asked my, I forget how I asked him this question, but he answered it with, no, it came up on the porch. Wow. Yeah. Well, and that's how Wes describes his encounter too, right?

Wasn't it with a spider crawl as well? Yeah. His was up in the mountains, several of them, and he saw one of them on the side of the road dropped down in a supernatural speed to the ground and walk across the road on all four. And I always had a hard time picturing this, but recently I've been describing this way.

And if I don't describe it properly, according to what he saw, I apologize, was. But if I remember correctly, it was like, it was down on all four and he says it crawled across the road using its fingers. Not the, like, in my mind's eye, the image I have is it's not using its arms

and legs to crawl like army crawl. It's on its toes and fingers and it's literally using the toes and fingers as like walking sticks. I think Fred Flintstone is what my mind's going. Exactly. Exactly. That's where they got from. They've been programming us since we're kids, man.

They've been programming. us. But anyways, the spider crawl is its whole, its own whole bag of phenomenon. But again, those pictures were from Corky and off his house, I believe it was. So, so Nathan, is he talking about, did he say his mom? She also saw the same thing. Yeah. And has she had other occurrences of seeing it before that, yeah, before that encounter? I don't think so. I don't think so. Okay. But I'm not sure. Because, like, how common is that phenomenon in that area? It's common.

I mean, it's common enough to have a name. Derek, why don't you start pulling up the Ozark Howler? Because there's this thing called the Ozark Howler. And I don't think it's an exact match for what these people are describing. However, when you think about legend, especially legend that isn't, like, deeply explored. Like, if I say Bigfoot, like, there's a whole library on people's experience. experiences, opinions, how they operate, what they look like, what they like eating, do they eat, do they pop it in and out? Like, you take whatever flavor you want, Bigfoot you got, right? Ozar Kowler is like one of these like lesser known cryptid legends. Like, what's the one in Colorado, the Boulder? None of you guys are going to know. Maybe you would know. It's like, it's like some kind of Colorado Boulder. It's like a rock monster in Colorado. And it's like the, what was the one in PA?

the skunk or something. The squank. Squank. Oh, the squank. Don't get me going on the squank. I like a good squank story. He's going to crypt a dirt out on this part. Well, let me just tell you real quick.

I've had one squank story on the show. And Jack, look it up and figure out what episode is so you can reference it for the people. But it's S-Q-U-A-N-K, I think, squank. But this guy's telling me, in the Poconos, he come across. this ugly-looking thing on the road. And I think he even said he hit it. And when he gets out, there's just a puddle of, like, liquid there. It's like, disappears into a puddle.

And when you look into the squank, the legend, like, you guys, remember, legends and stuff. It's not always the most one-for-one accurate depiction, especially, like, the lesser-known ones. But one of the things, and he just way to describe it, he's like, this thing was ugly. It was ugly. And so he says, he tells me this story, I'm looking up to squawk. And one of the things with the legend of the squank is that if it sees its reflection,

it's so sad that how ugly it is that it will cry itself into a puddle or something like that. It's something like that. Like it'll start crying because of how ugly it is. Wow. And so in his experience, and so he had no idea about the squank. And so I'm educating him on the squawk. And he's like, that's what I saw. And I was like, dude, you saw a squawk, man.

Like, that's a lesser known demon. What episode number was it, Jack? 569. 569. Was that member or public? Members. This has become a member. There you go.

Members episodes. Yeah. Oh, all the good stuff's behind the paywall. Well, there you go. So anyways, how did I get on the squawk? ADHD city. Like it's a lesser known thing in that area. So you had the Ozark Howler and the description of the Ozark Howler is not identical to what people are seeing, but it does have the flavor.

So can you share with people a little bit about it? Yeah, so just like looking up the lore of it, it says it's sometimes depicted with horns glowing eyes. unnatural tail, bear-like body. And it is also depicted as being white often. But what I think happened, researching this a little bit, is that Daniel Boone had an experience out in that area. Really?

In the Appalachian area, they called it like Appalachia. They called it a Yahoo. It's not Appalachia. It's Appalachia. Appalachia. Appalachia. Come on. Be a southern person now.

I'm working on it. Okay. I'm a little further north of you, so it takes a little longer. So Daniel Boone has this experience with these 10-foot, like, hairy humanoid things, and they call them Yahoo's. And I think the lore of that slowly depicted in, there's also another, like, deer crypted with horns. And I think they kind of ended up merging the ideas together. Well, for clarification, are you saying that he had an experience with a deer cryptid as well? No, the deer cryptid is like the folklore of that area.

And I think what happened is the two cryptids became like one cryptid. And what area is this? That's why the Ozarks. Okay. That's why I became like the howler. Gotcha. But like the Cherokee, they have stone giants that I'm sure you're familiar with. And so the Cherokee actually moved.

They were actually from our area originally in eastern Tennessee in the Smoky Mountains. And then from the Trail of Tears, they were pushed out to Arkansas and Oklahoma. and they shared that same legend and lore of their stone giants, which were giant humanoid, like, beings. And I've heard they thought they were actually matted their hair with mud. And that's why they thought they were actually stone giants because their hair was matted with mud and it was impenetrable to their arrows. Wow.

And they would go and steal women and all those things. Typical. Typical. I mean, that's what the war of 1855, I think it was, 1855, 1855. Yeah, I think it's 1855. Can I say that enough? Not saying it's Southern enough. That's literally my brain thinking out loud.

1855? 1855? Yeah. But the war of 1855 happening in Oklahoma, the legend is that Native Americans teamed up with a race of giant Native Americans that were all seven feet and taller going into the wilderness to hunt down, I believe it was a clan of Bigfoot. It was more than one. But there was a clan of Bigfoot that they went to hunt down because they kept on coming and stealing their women and children. and they called it a war because it was a bloodbath. And there was actually a general that really existed in this reality.

And he died in 1855. And people wonder, is the war of 1855 actually real? Or was it just a legend that was built around the time of his death? There's a lot of the kind of stuff that you just kind of like, you just shrug your shoulder. Like, you just shrug your shoulder, like, huh, interesting, you know? Like you mentioned about the rocks, and that reminded me about the Colorado thing. I looked it up, the sliding rock bolter.

Oh. The Bolter. Bolter. And it's in Colorado. And it's like a lesser-known demon, you know? Stop calling it a demon. Well, you know. Perspectives.

Yeah. But where were with this show? Oh, yes. I'm still talking about the Ozark. Or the lore of the Ozark Haller right now. But so... Go ahead. Yeah.

So it's known because it's... They say the unnatural howls at night were signs of a spiritual presence or a warning to leave. whistling or calling sounds, mental or travelers. So they've kind of combined all these, like, demonic things. Now, what's interesting is that it's also typically known to be white, right? So when I was just comparing, there's also something out in the Ukraine, out in the Slavic area, and they call it the Leshi.

And the Leshi is a territorial spirit in their area. It's a shapeshifter, and it's a boundary enforcer. So that's, and it's an all-white, hairy humanoid being. So when we start comparing the Leshie versus the Ozark Howler, they almost match up, like, perfectly. Interesting. Interesting. So if it, they're not like territorial spirits, guarding areas. So, like, it could be same breed of demon, different location.

I'm trying to trigger people, I suppose. I'm in a mood today. I got, but so in the native, like, they see them as like spirits, like territorial spirits. They thought because the same areas are very like full of caverns. They're really old mountains. They're thick woodlands. And so these are gateway and access points for these spirits to emerge. And it's very similar to the Ozark area as well.

It's very interesting. I'm going to send, Jack, I'm going to send you a picture of the Leshey, if I can. And you can put that up. That's off the Wikipedia. So, you know it's accurate. A little jab at Wikipedia. So the Ozarks has this thing called the Ozark Howler. Like I said, the description is not identical, but one of the commonalities is the white hair.

If you're coming up with a fake creature, probably that roams around the woods and you're trying to trick people and you're trying to make a story believable, you're probably not thinking about making it white, you know, and the fact that we have the Ozark Howler, legendary creature from long ago described as white hair, and then you have modern depictions of a creature with white hair, um, you start, again, just one plus one equals two, you know, um, and so you, I had that episode. and I was just fascinated by the conversation that I had with him. What was again? 642, right?

Yeah, episode 642. And so, you know, that was one of those episodes that has always been in the back of my mind. And as it often happens with the show, when I am talking with people, sometimes they'll say something that triggers a memory. And I go to my website, the confessional podcast. The confessionals podcast.com. and I hit the search bar and I use a keyword, and it will pull up everything

on that website that has to do with that keyword. Oh, that sounds. Just for people viewing right now, stop emailing me, asking me what episode when you can just search on the website. Just a key word.

That's cool. If you want to know all Nathan's that have been on the show, just type in Nathan and it'll pull it up. But I went to the website because I had an interview with a guy named Josh And this was just, Jack, it was probably what?

Not even a year ago. No, no, no. It was like maybe four months ago. Yeah, two, three, four. I only think it was four months ago. Yeah, I agree. I think it was like November or December last year. I'm sitting down and we're talking to him.

He's from the Ozarks and he has all these different experiences. And it goes into an experience that I was like, huh. It was like a light bulb went on. And so, Jack, if you could line up the clip from Josh and then we'll get into it here because this is just wild. stuff. We had been in probably one of the biggest cities that were close to us. It had been raining. And this happened probably, I want to say six years ago. And my uncle owned a bunch of property really close to where we lived. And it connected, all the property connected, and it went

all the way down to the Arkansas River. And the same road that my dad saw the UFO, the same road that we lived off of, you know, we were going right by all that, where all that encounter had happened. And it was probably 10.30, 11 o'clock at night. And I still don't know what to do with this. This is still the one that I really struggle with the most. And we were going and going about like 55 and I drove a Toyota Corolla, not a big carol. But so I just, we're going up this hill and there's a really sharp drop off. There's a row, another drop off.

And then it all opens up. And my uncle had built a church down there. And so you could get right to the church. You can get to all the woods, very, very secluded. So we're going up the hill and I just happen to see something out of the right in my eye, the peripheral of my eye, and I look and there's this massive white thing standing on the side of the road. So as I'm coming up the hill, this thing starts to move and it jumps. This sounds crazy and I feel crazy saying it, but it jumps over the hood of my car. And this thing was massive.

I mean, it took up the whole windshield. You couldn't see outside of the windshield. It was just, I don't even know how to tell you how big it was. and it was shaggy, dirty, white, shaggy, dirty hair, like, like really shaggy hair. And it took one step. And I say one step because I don't know what else to say, but it took one step and was gone off that ravine. Like it happened within a span of like three seconds. I mean, just boom.

But it wasn't a man. It wasn't a person. It wasn't a deer. It was massive. I mean, absolutely massive. We don't have polar bears in Arkansas. So all I can tell you was about the size of something like that. And so it jumped off down in the woods.

And my cop brain kicks in. And I just go running off in the woods looking for this thing, which I kind of regret now. I probably shouldn't have done that. But I pull off down there. I'm off in the woods. I never saw any footprints. I never saw any of that. And you would think with the impact that this thing made, that there would be some

kind of like impact there beside the road. There was nothing, absolutely nothing. She saw it. I saw it. And it was just, but the strange things was as soon as I saw. it. All of the memories of these things come flooding back. Like all of the old memories, all these encounters, all the stuff I had buried, just boom. Like just within a day or two starts unraveling in my mind. That's wild, right? You scared me. I was like imagining the monster and then I like

wasn't looking at my laptop and then I looked down and I was like, what monster are you talking about? The one you put up. I didn't put a monster in there. I didn't put a monster in there. What are you talking about? Anyway, I was scared. Yeah, so, a split second. I had to do that. Like, I'm playing, I'm learning new talent. I'm getting new talents, new skills, and I'm implementing them. Yeah, you know how he said he was at the office late last night.

This is what I was doing. That's what I was doing. I don't know if I ever completed. Don't tell Lindsay. I don't know if I ever completed that thought. No, she knows because I was so excited about it. I sent her the videos as I was making him. But yeah, I was, I was, the ideas were flowing.

last night and the show intro from the day, the AI that I created of me. That's why I'm wearing this outfit. It's the same outfit I was wearing in the video. Very nice. But I was making those and it's just, it's anyways. But so in his description, obviously there's similarities and it's just like,

okay, so he's in the Ozarks. He had this experience. But Jack, look up his YouTube channel. It might be in the description of the episode, but he has his own podcast. Look that up. Mysteries unknown. Mystery's Unknown, thank you.

So go ahead and hit subscribe on his channel. Mysteries Unknown. He's a very good videographer. He has very high-quality video, which is awesome. But anyways, he has this experience, and he's a former police officer. One of the things that he does, as a former police officer, he gets out to investigate. And what does he do? He goes to the exact path that this thing took, and what does he see?

Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. And so we have Nathan, who had... this thing looking like it was unfamiliar with his body, his second experience with it, my definition, my take on his story, not Nathan's, not putting words in his mouth, but in his second experience, I believe what he heard was a cracking of the veil, a portal, a gateway opening for this thing to leave in. And so there's an interdimensional aspect that I believe

is happening with Nathan's story. But you got to read the signs, right? Like there's little pieces. Like if you were not familiar with these topics and you weren't around and you haven't looked into it much, you probably wouldn't catch much of that, you know. But then when you come to Josh's experience and the fact that he goes this massive, monstrous creature that him and his wife see, and he goes right away, not tomorrow, not drop the wife off at home and come back and investigate. I think this was the spot, not turn the car around, come back, stop the car again, out, investigate where this thing goes and nothing. There's no sign of a monstrous creature barreling through the area. It has interdimensional properties written all over it. The fact that

people will say that they're tracking Bigfoot tracks, they'll have a track of Bigfoot tracks, and then they just disappear. It's like it just jumped up into the sky and it's gone. I know like the natives believe that like white entities are specifically spiritual. Like if you see all white entity, it's usually from the spirit. realm. So the Ozarks have that entity running around. In my mind, that's what's happening. And I wonder how many other people in the Ozarks area have similar experiences. I bet you there's a lot. I bet you there's a lot. And I think somebody should probably go investigate it, right? Could be you. Me?

Yeah, I think I should do it. Maybe this way. week. Okay, I'll go. I'll go. Consider it my job. Let's go. Just like your intro. You're going to be packing? Oh, yeah. Best believe. We're back and we're going to be driving through all the states that are friendly with somebody who carries such kind of artillery. You got silver bullets for that thing, though? I got silver bullets in my truck always. Oh, nice. I do. So just for the occasion. But yeah, so this week, we're going to handle business on the recording side. We're going to be recording with somebody in an undisclosed location, an unnamed person, making their first time appearance on the confessionals in some time in the future.

And then after that mission, we're going to go on another mission. And listen, I'm not, I honestly don't think we're going to be doing much hunting. More investigative stuff. Like I want to, I want to meet up with Josh and, uh, hear him talk about his experience. Show me where this experience happened. And, uh, just kind of document the area and understand the layout of the land, maybe explore some areas in the woods and stuff and just kind of understand what's going on. Um, we talked to Nathan about it and, uh, actually his experience, what did you say?

It was three, four hours away. It's on the other side. It's on the other side. So like, it kind of shows you the, the vast area. But if you consider what we talk about with the idea of territorial spirits and stuff, I mean, I think it was Bo Kennedy when he was on the show. He believes that Lilith, one, I think there's archetypes of Lilith. And I think there's different archetypes of Lilith all over the world. But there is, I think according to him, there's an archetype of Lilith that has domain over the Appalachia area, Derek Appalachia. I'll start my practicing for Appalachian. Appalachian. But, and so if you're thinking about like Appalachia, I mean, that stems from Georgia all

up to Maine. You know, like people, when they hike the Appalachian Mountains, they're going, they're starting in Georgia and they're ending in Maine. I think they're Appalachian when you get north. Like once you cross the basin Dixon, it turns. Virginia, they turn, yeah. So there's like a sign on the trail that's like, you are now to pronounce the eight. pronounce the end now.

But, but yeah, so I mean, if you think that way, the four-hour gap that he was talking about is like, okay, that makes sense, you know? Like, it's a territorial area. And so I kind of wouldn't mind, I don't know what it looks like in that area as far as the culture and the environment. But I wouldn't mind we did this. Where was I? I think I was in Wisconsin when I did this. We wired myself up and I went into. gas stations and started striking up conversations with like the clerks about the area that we're, I forget what it was, maybe it was Wisconsin, I don't remember. I think it was. But just trying to see

what they have to say. And I don't remember the results. And it's not for me to spill because it's not my documentary that we were working on. But maybe we could do something like that too. Like just maybe talk to locals and see if anybody else has heard of it. You know, there's a dollar general right way we're going. So, that would be a great spot. Yeah. Like just sit out there and just wait for. people to come home. Jack's favorite place, the Dollar General. It could be, it could be like one of those guys that are on Instagram, you know, just making reels of talk to people on the street, you know? Yeah. Like, some people talk to people about Jesus on the street. Some people talk about, you know,

political and social issues. We're like, have you seen a white monster in the area? Please tell. It's got shaggy fur. Yeah. Do you sound familiar, striking? Like, how many people can we get running away from us? we'll have it like a counter on the bottom of the screen. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. But so yeah, we got a busy week ahead. And that's why before we went live, I had to do a phone call with Alexander Pagani because he was supposed to come in studio tomorrow

to record with me. And I just told him, I was like, I don't think I can swing it because of all the personal stuff I have going on between now and the time we have to leave, I'm trying to squeeze everything in. And what would happen, I was telling you before we started,

what would happen is I would squeeze everything in and there's going to be a loser in that and it will be my family. You know what I mean? And so I'm trying to, in the middle of not having a healthy work life balance like last night, I'm at least trying, you know,

even though I'm not successful at all times. Like, and Jack suckered me into it last night too. I think it was like 7 o'clock and he has his backpack on. He's about to leave the office. And he comes in and he just stands there and stands there and watching. And I'm like, pull up a seat.

And when I said pull up a seat, I was like, we're in for a ride. And I was like, you had nowhere to go. So have a seat, you know? Live close. Can you consider that working if you're hanging out with your brother late at night, you're just watching him do stuff? It's fair.

It's a good point. It's just hanging out, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So. He's deducting that out of your pay. No, no, no, no, no.

That bad. It's a joke. But anyway, so I think what we're dealing with in the Ozarks is probably an interdimensional being that people are experiencing and witnessing. People who do not know each other are experiencing. And I just want to kind of document a little bit of it. So we're going to go out there and we'll document it. We'll make it into a little video of our journey. And members will get to watch it first.

And then we'll release it on YouTube for everybody in the public. Is that what we're going to do, Derek? That's the plan. Okay. That's what we're going to do. Man, I remember that. Cool. You did great.

But I can't remember everything. So you're like my, like, you working for me is basically me hiring more bandwidth. A second brain. I'm the optical wire. Yeah, we went optic. You're like the SSD that I plug into my brain, transfer files. You know, so you guys got anything you guys about real quick before we get out of here? Are you guys good?

Well, I mean, are we going to talk about this, what we're talking about on the member show? Just to reiterate. Oh, yeah, I thought we did. but yeah, I mean, right now, as we end this, we're going to not be live for this next part, but we're going to pre-record this coming Thursday member episode. Again, like I talked about in the beginning, but my goodness, like last week on the live, I talked about how excited I was

about Joseph and Franco coming, talking to Joseph and Franco about the details and intricacies of the decoding Cody book. It's called Decoding Cody, his book. And the fact that these autistic children are, these are my words, not his. I got to always preface that because I'm so freaking out there sometimes. These autistic kids are either being pulled into another realm or transcending realms. Either way, I don't think, well, no, I think possibly willingly the way they interact with each other about it. It sounds like they have an option with it.

And where they're going and who they're interacting with and what they're coming back with. These are nonverbal autistic children. These are not slightly autistic people that still have computer programming jobs. These are people who are nonverbal without modern understanding, psychology, and medicine of what autism is. People would probably 50 years ago be putting these people in homes to live because they just think that they're vegetables. And the reality is there's a whole world going on inside that they just don't have the neural pathways to community. to the world about. But these people are incredibly smart. They're there. They're with it mentally. They just, their bodies don't do what they need to do in order to relay what's going on inside.

And now that they're doing these spelling techniques and having these people, I'm trying to say people because some of these kids are now adults, being able to communicate. It's a longer process of communication. They just can't type like we do. But the information coming out is just, it's wild. And it's, it's lining up with other nonverbal autistic people's experiences. This is not just one person. So we're going to, like, I just, I want to talk about this. And I, like, it's like a recap of what we recorded last week that the members will get access to early. And then we'll do the Joseph and Franco episode. When's that coming out, Jack? The 17th of February. February 17th, God willing, and pending Tony's readjusting of the schedule. because it happens at times. Like,

let me just tell people, like, I think I even did it this past weekend. I did do it this past weekend. And by the way, we're probably going to be doing it because anyways, at times I will, I'll text the guys.

I'm like, hey, we're pivoting. And it's like Sunday at 5 p.m. And I'm like, Jack, scrap everything you've been doing and quickly produce this episode. It's got to go this coming Tuesday. Good luck, son.

May the force be with you. And it always. is. Yeah. So anyways, that's what we're doing. I'm really excited about it. Guys, thanks for tuning into this Slinghot Nation Live. Wish us luck on the hunting the Ozark Howler and this, our journey over the next, I'd say we're going to be gone for what, four or five days, safe travels. Please pray for us that everything goes smoothly on our end. And we'll be back next week. Now, when are we arriving back home, Derek? Sunday. Sunday? Well, yeah, it'd be late Sunday. Late Sunday.

Without looking at the schedule, people, I would say it's probably safe to say next week we'll go live either Monday. If we're too tired, probably Thursday. Or Tuesday, Wednesday. But most likely not Friday. I have my son's birthday party, so I'm out Monday. We're not doing Monday.

Should we work out the schedule now? Live on it. Maybe on it. So anyways, we're definitely going to plan on going live again next week. I'm enjoying these thoroughly. I'm assuming you guys are. If not, don't tell me. And also it's your job.

So show up and do it. But people are tuning in, which is great. I mean, I saw today we reached over 700 people watching live. Last week, we had over 1,400 people watching live. So some of these lives, people are really enjoying. So I'm really glad for that because it's something that I've been wanting to do. And I wasn't sure if people would enjoy it. Clearly, people are enjoying it.

So with that said, I would say, Let's call it a rap check. Oh boy! Is that a slingshot? Slingshot season. Hey, let's run it. Hey. Grace hit me like, boom.

Can't miss. God with me. Whole squad going. Devil try to throw shade. I grin because the light too bright. Walking the spot like who that. Standing in the slang and a truth slap. Never in the way we moved dad.

On my name for the hit like a du wreck. I was stuck in the valley that view bad. Now I'm up in the hills with a food bag. God took all my ails ran through that. Now the wind stack high like a new stack Every step with the light that's a blueprint Whole pack getting bright cause he doing it He the king so the crown got a new fit

And the cross hit harder than a new clip We ain't here just the body, it's a movement Every giant in the way he'll move it If the world wanna hate we cool with it Because the love is strong So the tree like, boom, can't miss No, God with me, all squad And cause the light too

I'm down in the dirt now I'm cleaned up Blood bought brand new, never dreamed up Every thorn out of stone trying to team up Got 50,000 standing here feeling beamed up I remember them nice in the struggle Feeling way down deep by the trouble But he showed up strong bro the muzzle Now the fake bill bit like a double

We ain't here for the frame of the flash We just point to the king let him flash Living water in the cup No cap in the well don't run dry That's that facts Now we run another pat with a show step Every loss is a set up for the best yet Every giant in my face is a test bet

Got swing once We're like boom boom Can't miss No