The Confessionals - Lindsay Clancy, Jonathan Cahn & Shawn Ryan: Is Demonic Possession Rising? | Slingshot Nation

Episode Date: September 11, 2026

Is demonic possession becoming more visible in public? In this episode of Slingshot Nation, Tony, Jack, and Derek examine several disturbing recent stories, including Jonathan Cahn’s attack on an airplane, the Lindsay Clancy case, and the shocking Times Square stabbing in New York involving a woman armed with large knives who continued advancing after police deployed Tasers. The guys ask whether these incidents could point to something deeper happening spiritually or whether there are other explanations that need to be considered. The conversation will break down the signs of demonic possession, demonic influence, spiritual oppression, unusual behavior, hostility toward God, and other traits traditionally associated with demonic activity in Scripture and Christian teaching. How can believers distinguish between mental illness, criminal behavior, spiritual warfare, demonic oppression, and possible possession without jumping to conclusions? This episode explores demonic possession, spiritual warfare, demons, deliverance, Jonathan Cahn, Lindsay Clancy, the Times Square stabbing, biblical demonology, and supernatural encounters, while asking one central question: Are we witnessing a rise in demonic possession?Take Control of Your Money and claim $10 in US Stablecoin (USA₮)! Download now at http://wallet.rumble.com/Confessionals and use the code confessionals10.This is a paid advertisement for Rumble Wallet. Rumble is compensating me for this ad.Void where prohibited. No purchase necessary. Offer available to US residents only. Offer not available in New York State. Must be 18+. Offer is available for a limited time and for the first 500 wallets activated and funded. Details and full official rules available at http://rumble.com/promoofficialrules.If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890🚨 Join Our Exclusive Community🔗 Get early access to exclusive content: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheConfessionalsPodcast/join📕 Pre-order Tony's Book: https://a.co/d/0bJS3SaVMerkel Media Apparel: https://merkmerch.com/📰 Subscribe to Our Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/newsletter📚 Tony's Recommended Reads: https://slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/gospelConnect With Us:🛜 Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com📧 Email: [e-mail]📢 FOLLOW US:🟣 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theconfessionalspodcast/❌ X: https://x.com/TConfessionals🔵 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast📌 Website: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com📚 Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/📬 Mailing Address:Merkel Media6726 Morganton RdP.O. Box #08Greenback, TN 37742

Oh boy, is that Slingshot? Yeah, yeah. Clingshot season. Hey. Grace, hear me like. Welcome to Slingshot Nation, everybody. I am your co-host, host, co-host, host, Tony Burkle. Thanks for being here.

I am losing my voice today, guys. I, well, the whole household is just down and out. We are, well, we're dealing with stuff. So sickness is everywhere, and I sounds like I caught it. So bear with me. As we go on this magical journey together, today we're going to be talking about demonic possession and the seeming rise of it publicly. The mask is being taken off, gloves are coming off, and these things aren't hiding anymore. And it's what it feels like. So we're going to talk about

today. We're going to dissect Jonathan Kahn, who recently came out with his story of his experience on the plane with the guy who had to be duct taped, we are also going to talk about Lindsay Clancy and that whole case, which the guys have been hearing more about than I have. And we're also going to talk about the New York City Times Square Stabber is what I'm calling her. And many other things involved like Sean Ryan and his recent professions on his own podcast channel. So it's going to be a good show today, a lot of discussion about demonic possession, what is it? And is it becoming something more prevalent in today's culture? Before we get into that, though, Derek, sir, you're looking dapper.

Thank you, sir. It's my wife's birthday, so I got to look extra special. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, Elaine. To you. Happy birthday, Elaine. Elaine. She's, uh, what?

I better not ask. No. What was I thinking? What was I thinking? Funny thing is she's older than me. I'll just leave it with that. Is she really? Barely.

Oh, bro. Yeah. I thought Barely yet I thought I thought for sure She was like younger than you Makes sense

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Heck no. Oh, you weren't allowed to watch it. I wasn't allowed to watch anything. I didn't... And I still don't watch things. Sounds fun. Sounds fun. But, yeah, so I'm glad everybody's here.

I'm glad you guys are here. Jack, how you feeling? You're feeling underweather, too? Yeah. A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Not as bad as you, it seems like.

I feel fine. I feel fine. Come here. Give me a hug. I like the shirt. The shirt looks nice. Thanks, man. Yeah, dude.

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Restrictions apply. There's a limited number of entries available. Terms and conditions apply. See the description below or visit rumble.com slash promo official rules for details. Well, when he comes in like that, that's when I realized that how much I'm lacking in energy today. I was like, I feel like a little low on energy.

And he comes down like, wow, I'm really low in energy. I hear your voice and I expect like jazz to start playing. because it's like it's so low and raspy, like, welcome to the conventional. It's like my dollar store version of Morgan Freeman. Morgan Freeman. Long time ago. I got this one at five below. So, listen, I want to, before we get into some of these cases of the demonic possession,

I think when we discussed this, that we should kind of go over signs of possession. Yeah. And Jack had conveniently been, and I don't think we even. because today's topic was something that we game planned this morning into, well, about an hour ago. You came in today already looking into this. Is that right? Yeah, I mean, we had kind of like discussed a little bit. Like Derek and I had been talking just briefly about demonic possession and some of the stuff that we were seeing globally on in social media and all this stuff. And so I was like, well, I mean, there's, you know, always some exorcists or, you know, priests that talk about what demonic possession looks.

So I kind of wanted to hear what somebody else might have to say about what demonic possession looked like. And that's why I looked into it this morning. And this was Vlad Sabchek? Yeah. Okay. So he has a list here of 10 signs of demonic influence. And we were talking. And Derek, you mentioned about this idea of demonology, demonization throughout Scripture

and it being commonly misinterpreted. did. Yeah. So like a lot of times in the gospels and things, it's called the demon possessed man, but in the Greek, it's actually like demonizome. So it's actually like demonized. So it's not like, we've gone and Hollywoodized it. So where we think it's like the exorcist, right? Where like you lost control of yourself completely. And I think there's aspects of where that is true. But for the most part where in biblical terms it's speaking of demon possession or demonization it is the influence of demons like through our body and through our persons so it's a little more nuanced than just saying like we lose control and then we do crazy things right and and i think there's a whole level

of the hollywood version of things that filter into people's expectations and understandings and one of the things that, you know, I often just kind of refer to is just my own experiences with people that I've come in contact with over the years. And I've come in contact with people who believe that they can demonize a person. I mean, I was at that guy's house for three hours, and he was three times trying to release a demon on me. Wow, right. And I just didn't know or else I would have left sooner, you know. So I was like, why is this hurt so much? But then there's, you know, people who have, you know, body transformation.

If you think about like the idea of the skimwalker transforming body, human doing ritual, but you're talking about opening doorways, right? And so there's a level of the human side of it where you are an active participant into opening a door. for this to take root. And what I'm saying, take root, I'm talking like your body changing. You know, like the Skinwalker idea, but even down to one of the guys

we talked about on the show for years and stuff and how he grew, you know, several inches. I mean, these are people who came in agreeance with darkness. Like every case. Would you consider that like a full, like they allowed the possession type thing? Because, I mean, if we're talking about influence, is that influence or is there, is there like really a category to each thing? Or is there, you know, is it all kind of like gray area?

Yeah, I mean, I would say if there's ever time for full on possession, that would be something in that nature. But that's way, in my mind, that's way more than influence. Like, that's something that's like control, you know? Like, you have come in agreeance to the point that. When, and I, I, you probably don't need to give a green light for every case, but you can green light and the thing will take over because it's already residing in you because you've allowed it. And so whenever that happens, like in the case of skimwalkers and in case of unique, in unique cases of people who have let something in and they are utilizing it. But in that, they are a slave because I don't think that they're actually in control of anything. Like, do you think, is the biblical example, like the demoniac in Mark 5 or something like that? Well, I mean, he definitely was inhabited, right?

Right. So, I mean, like, logistically speaking, like, you see at least 2,000 demons leave his body, you know? There's probably more than that. Yeah, I guess, like, because I'm, like, I'm asking the questions because there's people like Jenny Joy who will be on the show on Tuesday that her episode will air on Tuesday who had 1500 demons leave her and then we talk about the demoniac that's 2000 that leave them so is it a case of you know because if influence and possession are different that like demonic influence to me sounds like it's external and not an internal demonic you know movement so i don't know if maybe i'm wrong derrick or tony if you if either of you have an opinion on that because it does

sound like in some cases some people have those things to be expelled and others don't and it's it's more of you know allowing the foothold outside of yourself because some people whether they get expelled or not like yeah whether they're even in there to begin with whether they're within you or whether they're external forces i mean there's like you're saying influence but i i always say oppression i think we're thinking the same thing yeah oppression influence and oppression i think you're you're more in an environment where demonic entities around you are abusive. And you're in an environment, you're existing in an environment

where you're being demonically oppressed. And it's affecting your spiritual life, your physical life, your mental state, all that stuff can happen through oppression. When it comes to the possession of a body, we're talking about indwelling. And I, as somebody who's not yet, I believe maybe it's on the horizon.

I don't know. But I've never actively went into a situation seeking an exorcism as a result, an exercising a person. There was one time I was in Pennsylvania, and there was a guy that I worked with that called me. This was shortly after I came back to the Lord. And he, I think, had a friend or something that was dealing with very serious. sounding possession type stuff. And he's like, you know, can you go to her house or whoever's house and handle it?

And I was like, I don't know what I'm doing with that, dude. I was like, I'm not certified. Yeah. I was like, I don't know. I called my pastor and he's like, oh, it's be fine. You just pray for him over the phone. They'll be fine. You know, or something like that.

I was like, I don't know. So that's what I did. But now I would go about it totally different. But I do believe that there is a level of the person who is. possessed and enslaved to desire that freedom. You can pray for somebody as much as you want in the name of Jesus, leave now if the person who is housing the entity is not willing to let it go. It ain't going nowhere.

Well, so that's like Legion, right? Like he still had the opportunity to receive salvation through Jesus, right? He heard the message and he responded to it, even though he had. Legion? Or the Miam. Dementia. He had legion within him. I was thinking, wait a second.

What? No, no. I missed that part. Sorry. The man that had legion in him still within himself had the choice to suppress all that was going on around him and still choose Christ. Right? Like there's still like a human element to their own will even in the so-called possession. This is why it's a demonization.

Now, full-on possession, because there's an aspect of the will still engaged even when it feels like they've lost control. And I would say like a lot of it. that we don't really know how the spiritual, like, world works. So it's like we'd like to think it's outside of us. But like, what's to say? It's not like hand on my shoulder. You know what you mean? Or it's like, you know, it's right up on my mind.

Yeah. You know, really like influencing my thoughts. And then when we speak, we speak and we allow doorways to open with how we speak. Right? Like I was sharing with you earlier. It's like, I'm so mad at killer. You know, like you see things like that. And you're opening a door.

doorway for the spirit of murder to now, like, dwell within you. So, like, and I say that even, I think even Christians can be susceptible to opening doorways and having it afflict them. And I think we're going to get to an instance of this, you know, and like, who's to say who's a Christian? I mean, number one, A, like, you know, like, God is the author of salvation. I don't really know. You can say you're a Christian and you're doing Ouija board and you're doing blood rituals

and you're doing those other crap and you think it's good and it's not, you know, I say that because there's that little nuance to it, but also, like, yes, we know that the temple of the Holy Spirit is, we are the temple of the Holy Spirit. It's supposed to dwell within us, right? And so where the holiness of the Lord is, there cannot be anything else that makes perfectly good sense. But if we're not living and applying the blood of Christ to make the temple clean, like who's to say that there can't be things on the outer courts of the temple that are sneaking around?

Yeah, and like Vlad made the point of like opening a door, right? If you open a door to a stranger, are you not expecting them to walk in? You know, and the same thing goes with demonic, you know, with demonizing. You know, if you open a door, if you're allowing that influence to make its way through the threshold, you know, whatever way it is, whatever, you know, specific thing is causing that door to be opened, then, you know, how could you not expect that action to happen, right? Newton's third law, right? But the other thing, too, is that, like, when we're talking about the influence or the demonizing of people, you know, to your point, Tony, of having the will within you to want to see this removed or this influence removed or demonizing removed, Vlad also made the point that the,

what is it, extreme restlessness around spiritual things, so deliverance, you know, praise and worship, any sort of communication that revolves around. Christ or is God-centric, you know, you'd be unsettled. You can sense that, you know, and somebody, when they come into a service and they're unsettled, you know, there's something that's influencing them to feel that way and we'll cause them. Wait, go to me, it was more like this. It was like, he was like, yeah.

Yeah, but anyway, it's just something that makes it unsettled. I mean, that was, that was, that was, what you just described was me. me on March 29th, 2014. I was sitting there first time in a church in a long time. I'm hearing the gospel preach, which I heard my entire life, and I was getting angry. Like, I felt like my face was turning red. And I was, and it was like, I always remember my thought process was, nobody asked you to do this. Why are you doing this? You know, I was not happy. And that's, it was really cool. Because, like, in the midst of that demonic influence, demonic oppression that I was experiencing that moment, the reinforcing of a wall between me and God, he effortlessly pierced through it in that moment. And just, like, sucked everybody else out of the room.

It was just me and him. And we had some, for the first time, real one-on-one time. Yeah. And it was, like, it was wild. And so even within the demonically oppressed state, it is not hard for God to just flick that away like a flee. But even for me, like you're talking about will and stuff. Like I was in the moment of my life where I was trying to become a better person. I just wasn't considering spiritual anything, let alone God.

but he used that to come in and say, you don't need to change to come to me. I just come to me and I'll change you. And it was like life changing for me. You know, so yeah, I mean, that was really like a description of my own experience when you were saying that. I can imagine that's a description of a lot of people, though. I mean, how many people are uncomfortable with deliverance

because there's things in their life that aren't addressed, you know? And like all of these other things. I mean, there's countless things that I can imagine. people become uncomfortable with when it comes to holy nature of things. Yeah, and let me just say this real quick. Because it's some thought that I've been sharing with you guys more and more recently.

But I think there is like it's a psychological side of things where people who are demonically oppressed, they're not even, they don't even realize it. Maybe it's their entire life, right? For instance, like say somebody is their entire life struggling with severe anxiety.

It is, at some point, they're not acknowledging, but the people around them is like, this seems almost demonic. Like, it's not even rational, right? Or anything. Let's just, whatever example you want to throw in there, it makes you wonder if somebody has had a demonic entity, demonic oppression for an extended period of time in their life, it's all they know. It's all they know them to be. And so the very idea of deliverance, I imagine, can be scary because it's like, I don't know who I am apart from this. Like, this is my identity. Like me walking in a perpetual state of anxiety or anger or anger.

This is my identity. You brought up anger. Great extension to the story I was just sharing. I walked out of that church that day. I went from somebody who hated people to wanting to love people. And it was so weird to me, I didn't know how to actually be that for about two, three weeks at work. I was just quiet because all I wanted to do is be lovely to people. You were literally like, I don't know who I am right now.

I didn't know who I was. I didn't know how to be this new creation. That's awesome. I really didn't. And I was like, I'm going back into like the Lions Den with these truckers and like they expect me on money to be who I always am. And I'm not that. And I don't know how to be this new creation, but I don't want to go back to the old creation just for

expectation. So I was just sitting there quiet. Can I go to my truck now? I just go be by myself because that two, three week period and stuff, bro, I was listening to so much sermons and just picking up everything I could. And so go ahead. No, yeah, I just think there's really like a misconception too with if Christians can be possessed. Because I feel like, number one, people that actually do deliverance, pray over Christians who are oppressed and demonize all the time. And I think there's a fear of the manifestation of that. And I think that's really where a lot of this is trending. It's like, I don't want to writhe or like, wither around on the floor. I don't want to scream and have crazy things. I don't want to make a disturbance in the church. I don't

want to do these things because we're scared of the manifestation of what it could be if it was within us. So we instead, we just push it all away and say, no, no, it's not for Christians. But like, it's so simplistic. Like, even for you, it's like your deliverance. And, you're, was so clean and so pure in it like there was freedom from these things that were clearly like making you angry and frustrated with life and all these things and it doesn't have to manifest in the exorcist you know what I mean it doesn't come that way and it's come so pure and so in love and it can like I've I've prayed over a lot of people over like spiritual freedoms and all this stuff and like rarely ever do I see any kind like I see them beginning

full of the Holy Spirit. And I see them like literally crying and healing and the Lord pouring his love onto people. Yeah. That's really what exorcism is. It's really not anything like we depict it to be. You know what I mean? So like we shouldn't be scared of us manifesting as a negative outcome that I don't, so I'm not going to even touch it because I'm just scared of what could happen. No, because what's going to happen is freedom. Right. And everybody present in the room celebrates your freedom. That's right. Like, it's not, like, if you, because, I mean, I've talked to be like Phil, or my friend Phil from college, I mean, he talked about seeing this friend of his slither across the floor.

The dude was possessed, and it's a common thing with people slithering across the floor. Like, you, that guy in that moment, if he was delivered or exercised, everybody there, Phil and whoever else was there, would have been rejoicing. There's like rejoicing that God showed mercy, right? And freedom. And so like your bondage to the demonic oppression is your slavery. And you can't see the other side of the fence of freedom. Like it's right there.

But you can't see it. And these entities want you to be. looking inward. And so it's like, I don't know who I am apart from this. I don't know what everybody else is going to be thinking if this is actually something and I go nuts for a little bit or something. Like, I don't, what are the people going to say? And reality on the other side of that, that bridge, whatever you want to call it, like is freedom, celebration and a whole new life of peace. And these things don't want you to know that. There's not a chance that they want you to have that conclusion so that you can experience freedom because that freedom only happens

in the presence of Christ, which is who they're trying to keep you from. Amen. And that's what we kind of talked about like this morning or yesterday, but like the analogy of like we're prisoners with chains stuck to us, right? Yeah. Sometimes we don't even acknowledge that there's chains on us because we've had them on our whole life. And sometimes to get the chains off, it makes a little bit of noise. Yep. And sometimes, boom, they're gone. Yeah. You know, but we like, we should desire to have the chains not attached to us anymore and live in the fullness because like he came to set the captives free right like he literally came to free us from the bondage of sin and so like this is clearly like a pursuit it's to me it's also a pursuit of holiness like if i really want to draw

closer to the lord why wouldn't i if anything is deterring my connection to jesus christ why would i not like ask for the cleansing and again it doesn't have to be you know you don't have to go to the televangelist and get prayed over like in front of every and have these like crazy moments. Like you can just denounce spirits and denounce things that you feel are afflicting you and see the power of God move in your life. You know what I mean? Like it doesn't have to be the construct that we've created it to be in the church world.

Yeah. And that's like a Christian, that's a Christian who is, you know, being demonized, right? That's what you're referring to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because like, I mean, we see and we see with that example in Mark 5 that that man wasn't saved. It's not like he was a Christian.

or anything. And yet the power of Jesus in that moment was enough for him to know immediately, you know, something is happening to me right now. It is going to affect me. And I think that's why you see people who are delivered of demonic spirits in street ministry. You see the reaction that they have. It's aggressive. You've been on street ministry. I'm sure Derek's been in street ministry. I've done it too. You have a level of aggression that comes from those spirits. And it's because they may not be saved, but they see the saving grace in you. They see that power, the same power that operated in Jesus, that Jesus operated in the Holy Spirit, is indwelling in a Christian who is walking out their faith. And so that's where I can imagine, you know, it can also get a little scary

because people see those examples online as well. And they are more like, you know, it influences your mind, you know, to be even more concerned about how it will look for you. Yeah. And I think there's an aspect of fear. Like all they can do when they manifest is try to make us afraid. Right? So those praying. So the person that's actually getting cleansed, like, it is just trying to trigger the fear reaction to those around it so that it can be left alone. Yes. I mean, it's like you're going to go grab the raccoon in the corner of the house. It's like, you know, it's wild and freaking out. And it's like, no, man, he's going to start nipping at you as soon as you get close to taking him out, right? It's like, it's not going to be an easy struggle sometimes. And that's all they have. all they have is that fear tactic. Like you are way bigger. God is way bigger through us.

Like he literally speaks. Like we were talking about this in Revelation. He speaks and the war is over. Right? And so it's like it's so infinite his power over the enemy that like we, we, why wouldn't we just pursue this into the smallest degree? Because they will be such freedom. Yeah. So you've mentioned about Mark 5, Jack.

And it's something that's worth noting. Just you said that, well, he was an. a Christian and you know people you can debate where the guy who stood spiritually who clearly wasn't a Christian because Christianity was just like getting the ball rolling like it really wasn't an existent right but where it happened was a like huge pagan territory stronghold there's a strong likelihood this man who is living amongst these tombs of the dead being possessed by at least 2,000 demons, there's a strong chance he did what you were talking about earlier. He opened up a door and let them in, you know? And a lot of times people let things in and they don't even realize

what they're doing and then they're filled with regret and it's like, I'm slave. I don't know how to get out of this now. And that's why, like, it's extremely simple. Freedom is in Christ. But you can't see that at times because of these these forces clouding your vision you talked about violence i mean like i think i don't know about you jack i know you said you did some street ministry but like um it's a very common thing you do street ministry for any period of time and you're going to encounter people who get violent yeah and like it's not like i mean there's people out that get aggressive with it but like for me i was never that dude i just stroll up and just start chopping it up with dudes Like, you know, like, somebody who's posted up on a corner, you know that, like, there's

limited options of what they're doing there for the last 30 minutes at 1 o'clock in the morning. Yeah. You know, so, like, you start talking to them and, you know, just seeing where things go. And then sometimes things manifest. And I had that happen to me several times. The one I thought I was going to die. I really thought I was going to die. He told me he had a gun on him and everything.

And I believe an angel came and saved me and protected me and Lindsay when we were just dating. Wow. Speaking of street ministry, this is a thought that I've been having recently. Like, I want to get back out there. Oh, yeah. I want to get back out there. And I'm gonna.

There's a part of me, there's two sides of the coin from me. Because part of me is like, man, one of the reasons why I'm going to get back out there and I want to get back out there is because I see these guys on Instagram doing it. I'm like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

You know, it gets me fired up. Oh, yeah. You know? Oh, yeah. And then so because of who I am and what I do, my next thought is, man, I'm about to start my own IG. We're going to go out and do it. And then the other part of me is like,

hmm, one, it's not necessary. And two, what does it look like? It doesn't look bad to me because I get fired up when I see people doing street evangelism. But there's other part of me that's like, as soon as I bring a camera and I start filming it, are people going to question my motives and attentions, you know? And so, like, more than likely,

I'm just going to hit the streets and nobody's going to know. So, like, somebody's driving by and films me on their iPhone because I'm getting beat up by a demonized man, you know? It's just like, oh, wrong person. I'm just kidding. I'm sorry. Yeah. thing. Like one, it gets violent at times.

You don't, I don't believe you have to fear for your life, but even if you do die, so what? Like, so what? Where are you going to heaven? Like when you, when you read the novel of, well, it's not a novel, but when you read the text, there's plenty of examples in there who people who've just, through the faith, they lost their life. Yeah. And it's like, do I believe that?

Yes. Could it happen to me? Yes. am I willing to go down that road? In this moment, I say yes, and I hope I still have that same answer of yes when the rubber meets the road, you know? Yeah. And I always question that stuff.

I talk to you guys about it all the time, like, obsessively, because I'm constantly questioning, do I really have it in me? You know, when that, if that happens, do I actually have it in me? When I'm looking at a man who is just full-on possessed, being driven by demonic forces, and he puts one into my forehead, what do I do? you know? Because like it's it's never happened to me.

I don't think it's happened to you. I know it hasn't happened to him. And so like you don't know until you get to put in that situation. So let's go put ourselves in the situation. I just want to say too, I think it's interesting that you talked about like counterfeit. And I think there is like people pursue spiritualism apart from the Holy Spirit.

And so they think that's God and they think they're communing, but it's really just access to the demonic to the evil forces and the evil spirits that are around us. And it's like, you know, if you're taking, like, intentionally doing DMT trips and you're intentionally trying to do spiritual things outside of what the scriptures deem the Holy Spirit,

then you're only opening yourself up to dark entities. Yeah, that's a great point. And we were talking about it earlier, the Sean Ryan issue that, I guess it popped up this week. that he admitted this on his show and I guess there's been side effects, right? Before we get into that, you have a clip for that, right?

I do. Okay, so before we get into that, Jack, if you could, because you're the most familiar with this, I don't want to get past this whole list before we actually give them the list of 10 that he lists. And so if you could just let people know,

read off, because you brought this to our attention. today and I find it very interesting. I just think people, just the titles, you know, we don't need descriptions, but I think it was just a good, this is a list of 10 signs of demonic influence in somebody's life. And so I think it's worth just people hearing it, you know? Yes, so there's involvement with the occult or false religion, extreme restlessness around spiritual things, hostility toward deliverance ministry. I'm going to bring this over here, so I don't have to crank my neck.

Intrusive thoughts or hearing voices. Sudden surges of violence, rage, or self-harm, repeated attacks during sleep, persistent heaviness, depression, or paralyzing fear, intense cravings for defiled things, chronic illness, and paranormal activity. Okay. So that's the list of 10 that Vlad Savchek was listing in his video that Jack was listening to. Interesting. Take it or leave it. just like all this stuff. I mean, when it comes to the idea of, can a Christian be possessed by a demon or not?

Or can even a Christian be oppressed by a demon or not, right? Like, those are fringe debates that happen until the end of time. It's not a salvation issue. And so, well, I mean, depending on who you're talking to, they might say it is a salvation issue. If they are possessed by a demon and they're saying they're Christian, some people would say, absolutely not. They're not a Christian because it's impossible. So there's a lot of debate that goes on, but you just kind of take it. And what I would just say for everybody is what we should all be doing is you take things, you're not sure about it. Go to the boss. Ask him. Ask him to give you some peace

about it. You know, like we often try to make decisions for ourselves and just keep the truck moving. And it's like, what would happen? What would happen if we had an entire day, just one day on this planet where everybody who's breathing in air, decides and remembers to do this, every decision that day, every decision from what do I want to drink to if I'm going to hit the bottle again, is put before God and say, God, what do you say? If every person did that, can you imagine? I think we'd see some mass deliverance.

That's what I think. I was going to say everyone did like mass deliverance prayers for the day. And then in my mind, all I saw was like pigs running into water, like everywhere around the world. Imagine if we did that back in the day When I had my pigs And I was saying, where my pigs going? Golly, man. That's my pork.

All right. So let's move on here. Let's get into Sean Ryan. And let's play the clip of what he said. And then we'll react to it. If you could give me some volume, Jack, that'd be awesome too. Yeah, I'll give you five seconds. Not one.

Five, four. I'm going to be honest. It's been, I'm going to be a little vague here. I did a psychedelic experience about a month ago, a little over a month ago. And I've done these a couple of times, and the first one I found to be very healing. And then I went to do it again. I believe I was shown hell.

There was no sense of God or Christ or anything good, extreme fear and extreme anxiety. and I met demonic entities supernatural things have been happening I've been through four exorcisms with two different priests it's not going away that's it

there's a lot more to the trailer but that's the that was the point of what we're talking about man I wanted to keep hearing that go listen to Sean Ryan show after this. I'm gonna. Holy cow. You were making notes from what you were hearing, I'm assuming? Yeah. Well, so it's just really evident when you're talking about like false spiritual context. Like we talked about like chasing something that's not the Holy Spirit. It always starts

good. So it's always like a promise. It always comes with like falsity. But then on the backside of it because there's not the blood of Christ that paid the price, you start paying the price. And so, like, to me, this is a classic when it's not the Lord, what we see transgress through people's lives, is that, like, yeah, I got a tarot reading. It was so great. I felt so confident leaving. And then all of a sudden, like, there's a spiritual connection and attack that follows with it because there's a cost that needs to get paid, right? And so because if you're not in Christ and you're not pleading the blood of Christ that already paid that price, then when you're stuck, paying that price upon yourself. And I think that's kind of like what I see with Sean Ryan kind of working through is that he invited, right? Like he clearly invited it. And I was looking through what he took and he took some, it wasn't just DMT.

What is it here? It's Ibogaine, which is actually from a root out of Africa, which they intentionally use to divine spirits with. Or bark. I'm sorry. It's a tree bark. So, like, yeah. So he knew what he was doing.

Well, maybe he didn't, though. Well, he said he had a good experience the first time. Right. But I'm saying, like, that, the context of what you just gave, maybe he didn't have. Yeah. And part of it is because Ibegaine is being used as a treatment for PTSD for soldiers. And it just got legalized. But that was the whole Joe Rogan signing it with Donald Trump.

So they, like, I don't know if all of them know exactly what that is intention, like what the intention is behind using it. Yeah. But being that that is the history of that specific bark, I mean, you know, it makes sense what's happening. Yeah. I mean, like, I mean, Derek found it real fast, you know. I see Sean over the years, and I don't, I don't watch a whole lot of, like, podcasts to begin with. I have my fill here.

But, like, I've seen him from a distance. I don't know the man. and I've been at times very excited for him, just seeing like his wonder and curiosities and coming into a realization of the supernatural spiritual realm, understanding and coming to a realization there is a God, and having this obligate, like spiritual obligation, an inward obligation to recognize that

and there needs to be action. Like that's a soldier talk. So like he sees and then he acts. And you saw that, you see that throughout the years with him where it's become a thing where he's learning. And it's kind of very similar to Rogan in the sense that like Rogan over the years

learned through the people he talked to in the show. It's like me learning through the people I talked to on the show. He's doing the same thing. And he's learning about the supernatural realm, the spiritual realm. and he's responding, right? I don't know, and probably many people don't know, who actually surrounds him.

But his curiosity and maybe a sense of wonder to understand on a deeper level probably needs a little bit more guidance from people who understand the Christian perspective of how real and active things are around you. And I'm not saying he doesn't because clearly, I mean, he's talking about poltergeist activity.

He's even coming to faith or God moment, whatever you want to call it, was very supernatural for him. So he has that like root of understanding that things are not what he thought they were. In that process, you can get tripped up. And I can sympathize, with that because, I mean, I've been there, even throughout the show's existence, you know?

Like, I have at times felt like my own curiosity got me stepping over lines that I was not meant to step over and I didn't even know it. Like, I didn't realize I was doing anything wrong at the time. Like, I just, I was, there's portals, you know? And I was just like, holy crap. Like, I remember, man. Like I remember like that season where I came to this like not even like I wonder or like yeah maybe it was like oh no this is real like the portal just the portal idea right now it's like whatever why are we getting excited about a door but like that idea of piercing the veil was like whoa and that was like an open door for me to take my extreme curiosity on the topic and I felt like I crossed lines at times and I didn't even know it. And so like with him, it's like

how many people are speaking to him and talking to him and mentoring him, guiding him from different life perspectives and even within the Christian faith. Like how many, like honestly, like how many Christians can we get in this one room

that would agree on everything, right? Right, right, absolutely. So being somebody is popular as he's, mega popular. Somebody as popular as him would have no shortage of people who would like to have his ear. And so with that comes confusion

if you don't have the proper secure circle around you. And that's not even like me saying the people around him are bad. I'm just saying like spiritually speaking. Like, for instance, I'll use me with you guys. I have three guys around me who are very secure in their face.

and we keep each other tight, you know, because we have to with what we do. If we don't, it gets sloppy, attacks happen, lives are ruined, right? Does he have that type of understanding around him with why he's doing? Because whether he likes it or not, he is waging war against evil with a lot of things he does. 100% and evil whether, imagine this, dude. Imagine like being a human being and you're in the middle of, of a war, you don't realize it. At times, you're doing things, making decisions that are helping the enemy in this war. But at times, you do things and make decisions that are not. And that very

enemy that you accidentally help is now turning and smacking you. Like, I feel like sometimes he might be in that kind of boat where he just doesn't like totally get it, you know? And so when you're hearing people like, well, respect to people, Joe Rogan, it passes in the law. Like, okay, So now we're talking medical, medicine. It's okay. Go to the pharmacy kind of thing. Like, you know what I mean? And so you do it and it has spiritual consequences.

And how many times do we see other people have spiritual consequences when they get on the wrong types of medicine and it changes them? Yeah. You know? And like, it's just, there's always medical explanations to things. But along with that is the, you're distracted me. Sorry. What did I say? She's excited.

solid conversation right there. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, in the New Testament. Is I transitioning to something else? That was like a natural transition, but you didn't, I didn't, I thought you were doing it on purpose. No, I wasn't. I wasn't even done talking.

My bad. That's fine. I'm sorry. I was going to distract you. So, let me just end this. Okay. You got it. I don't know Sean Ryan.

I probably never will meet him. You know what I mean? But I hope that he finds more peace in Christ today than he had yesterday. Amen, man. And that guides him and becomes a compass for him so that he can make more spiritually sound decisions because this is not, like we talk about Sean Ryan,

Sean Ryan, Sean Ryan. It's not Sean Ryan's wife. It's Sean Ryan's kid. Or kids, I think he has at least one. Like, it's not Sean Ryan. It's Sean Ryan's family. that is of being affected by decisions that are just maybe a little ill-informed. But all it takes is that little crack in the door of an invitation for the right entity to say, oh, you crack that thing open with an invitation.

I'm taking advantage 100%. Yeah. Go ahead. No, I mean, so I think it's, is it sorcery that's actually translated as pharmacia in the New Testament? And so that's obviously where we get the word pharmacy from. me going to Enoch and that was like part of like what the fallen ones the watchers gave to us was the cutting of roots and these types of things that would allow us to pierce the veil you know um and i'm just a little like disappointed in the in the the cardinal almost it's like he didn't

address his usage as a connection no he goes oh well we're just here because what we're about to talk about so they they build all this spiritual warfare that he's going through based around the episode they're about to record as opposed to him choosing to access the spiritual realm. You know what he mean? So hold on. Let me get this straight. He, in the beginning of the beginning of episode, lays the groundwork of what he's going through.

And to lay the groundwork of spiritual warfare episode that they're going to be talking about. And the Cardinal glossed over the individual personal side of it just to get on topic of what the overall topic was. Right. Basically, like the episode itself was why the spiritual warfare he was going through, which is the smoke alarm was going. Oh, the episode itself was why? Yeah, so like that conversation. So he kind of like dismisses like this whole like DMT aspect of spiritual searching and then just goes, oh, it's because we're filming this. I think it's because I'm going through all the spiritual warfare because of this episode we're going to record. Oh, the Cardinals right. I don't know.

Well, yeah, it's like it doesn't have to be black or white that it is or isn't that. Yeah, it could be both. I mean, it doesn't even have to be the Cardinal in particular. I mean, he has had a lot of interviews that really have mattered to a lot of people, you know. And so it exposed a lot of things as well in his time doing what he has done. But yeah, I mean, the fact that that was glossed over is kind of like, it gives you the perspective of some, you know, that it's not, that doesn't actually matter. But it does. No, it absolutely does.

And it can be domino effects, too. like I'm a firm believer that these spiritual principalities, like just because you rebel from God doesn't mean you lost your smarts, right? So you've been around a long time, studying humanity and studying individuals. Like, Sean's given them plenty to work with to understand his patterns and pattern recognition for them. And so who's to say that it's not both, you know? Sure. Oh, for sure.

That we see what he's doing. We understand. We understand his circle of influence. We know the people he's influenced by. We know who influences them. We know how, like, it's, it's, I'm not saying it's, it's knowing the future as much as it's understanding the patterns and who's connected to who and what's the likelihood of what, to the point where it's like, okay, the cardinal or somebody like the cardinals coming,

spiritual warfare there. Also, I've again, maybe we can intercept. Like, who, like, who's to say that, because I don't know if he went into depth of what he experienced. with the experience of the demonic entities that he experienced on the next one or whatever was. But who's to say, maybe as in a militaristic standpoint, when you're talking about spiritual warfare,

the kingdom of darkness, maybe their mission there was to intercept him to not speak to cardinal. So it is spiritual warfare by encountering him, you know? And so it's like, there's so much because, like, as somebody who's spiritually curious,

well, let's give him that. You know? And how many times do we see that in humanity, itself, just our nature, we settle for the sweet tooth stuff, the quick fix. Yep. And not the things that are actually healthy for us that maybe take a little longer to cook, you know?

And so maybe there is an attempt there to do a quick interception, divert, and let's get him going more down the new age route because a lot of new age stuff is like, oh, no, I'm a Christian. And it's like, no, but you're not. Like, you're not. You don't look at Christ the way I look at Christ. You don't accept Christ the way I accept Christ. Christ consciousness is not saying,

and I didn't know that, I had no idea. First time I'm telling you, man, I had no idea. When people started saying Christ consciousness, I was like, oh, it's amazing, that's perfect. Good job. We're all conscious of Christ, you know? I had no idea, man. They trick you.

They trick you. Oh, that's what they do. No, and I guess, like, so he had two, from his own admission, he had two exorcisms with Catholic priests. Four exorcisms. Four exorcists. Thank you.

Yeah. which were ineffective, ineffective to him feeling like he had freedom from it. And I think it's because there is that aspect of allowance that he had. It's not like you can't just pray away. Like you have to then renounce what you did. You have to acknowledge the sin. And then the Lord can work through that. And so it's like you can't just do something bad and then have someone pray for you.

You have to acknowledge and repent, turn away from your sin, move towards Christ. And then there is healing and forgiveness. forgiveness. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because it's also like, I mean, if, if nobody is speaking into his life that the Ibegain or DMT or whatever, like seeking those sort of therapies is not a good thing, you know, that it opens the doors. It opens the pathways to allow, you know, a foothold or even influence, you know, demonizing in your life. I mean, those exorcisms don't change that, you know, because Derek's saying, what he's saying, what he's saying is I agree 100%. You have to, there has to be repentant. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you're not changing your activity, how is it something going to really change in you? It's like when people, you know, repent and they say they're sorry, but they're not really sorry. It's more just like, you know, I realize the guilt and the shame, but I don't really want to renounce this. I don't really want to repent of it, you know, like it's, it's a heart issue. You know, it's what, what is the flesh?

How are you out? How are you crucifying your flesh? Is that everything or, you're, it some things. Right. Yeah. Right, because he's never going to force us. So, like, it has to come from our own will to receive it. Mm-hmm. You know, because that's how gentleman of a God he is.

He's never going to force you and just give it to you by force. He's going to allow you to, like, open that door to your heart and accept it fully. Yeah. So. That's the recipe for a powerful relationship, though. Mm-hmm. Like, people, I think, often gloss over that, how powerful you can have a relationship. when it's giving like that.

Like a giving relationship, right? And so it's... Anyways, I don't want to divert on that, but... Can I say one last quick thing, though? Because I just remember what I was going to say. That, you know, it's just... It's too bad because we were talking about, like, the intro to the show, how I felt like, what I said, that Christ even spoke, right?

And all the enemies fleet, right? Like, they were totally destroyed. And in this, he's getting prayer through two priests over four different times and not having success in it. It's just because the root of it... has to be yourself. Like, you have to be the one engaging that redemption that's necessary. So you're saying in a sense he's using the priest as a spiritual crutch to get rid of the problem,

not necessarily a reconstruction of self as much as bringing in somebody to put a cast on the situation. And I think we do that a lot. I'm not just trying to, like, throw him under the bus in any means. No, I'm not saying that. No, I know, but I'm just saying like it's important because the power of Christ is undeniable. Yeah. Like, I've seen them work in my life. I've seen them.

And the key to all of it is surrender. Like, if you're not willing to surrender to the Lord, you will not have victory in those situations. It seems like counterintuitive for us, right? Like, I need to give something up to gain something. But it's exactly what Christianity is. And so it's like these crutches, you can't have people just pray for you and make that the crutch. And then all of a sudden, Christianity gets thrown out because I didn't have success in it. because it's truly a surrender of your own will and your own heart.

Yeah. Beautiful. Beautiful, Derek. Thank you, Pastor Derek. No, that's good stuff, man. And listen, Sean Ryan, I wish him nothing but the best. Amen. I hope he experiences freedom from the torment that he's going through right now.

And yeah, I wish I could say more. I really do. I like, like, when I hear this kind of stuff, I wish I could just be like, you know, Hey, man, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you're three hours away. I'll be there around six o'clock tonight. I want to sit down and just spend time with you and talk with you and just help you, man. Let's just pray together and just love on each other and just fix this situation. You know, talk to you later, bye.

Yeah. You know what I mean? I can't do that though. And so. Yet. No, I'm not even expecting that. I know. I'm just kidding.

But listen, I've been doing this for 10 years. Like, I, like, it is one of it is one of it. is, you know, it's, it's funny. Who was I talking to recently? It was our last guest and stuff. I said about 10 years. I'm like, yeah, I know. You know, and like, we had a, um, another friend of ours, Ezekiel from, uh, what's the podcast called? We need to talk. We need to talk. I was going to say, can we talk? Uh, we need to talk podcast. And I, I was texting him. He is almost at 1.1 million subscribers on YouTube. And I hit him up with just congratulations. I didn't even know he broke a million. And he hit me back and he goes, yeah, man, thanks. It's been amazing.

I started in 2004, and I was like, 2004. This is two years. Holy cow. Like, I'm not even at a half a million yet. I'm not even at $400,000 yet. I'm doing this for 10 years. Like, it's just, it's really cool to see what God does in everybody's lives. And when it comes to, like, the networking and stuff, that just happens on its own,

wherever it goes about us. We're almost at a million. Yeah. Yeah. How about that? How about that? A million. A million on...

It's not YouTube, but it's Facebook. Facebook. A million on Facebook. So close. What is that now, Jack? It's like 992. It was 992 before we started. 992,000 followers on Facebook.

How about that? So do us a favor. Follow us on Facebook. They're already following us. These are the lawyers. Just in case. All those young people who don't even have Facebook. Yeah, go create an account.

Look at the professionals. Hit follow and then just forget your password. It's fine. You know, but no. So anyways, let's make a little. move on here. So that was Sean Ryan case. And the whole point of the show is, is the demonic on the rise? Is the public manifestation of the demonic on the rise? Now, with Sean, the actions happened in private, but he admitted publicly what's going on to bringing awareness to there's

demonic influence in his life that he is battling right now. And quite frankly, he's probably looking for answers still. And so the next person I want to talk to or talk about is Jonathan Khan. Now, Jonathan Khan reigns from North Jersey, I believe. So, you know, New York City, just it's a different culture up there, right? And I stem from that culture.

This is why it catches me a little surprised that the manifestation happened there. Because, like, traditionally, the manifestation of the demonic in the Northeast, Philly,

these areas are manifesting. Traditionally, I mean, like in my adult life, the patterns I've seen, are manifesting in culture, culture living, how culture is formed. And you see that. It's one of the pushers to have me move down here, not to mention the amount of people

who are killing people out there. But the outright demonic manifestation in public seemed like a little, little bit of a off nature to me. I don't know the man who is involved here. I don't know where he is. I don't know if there was an open door that something could take over in that moment or if he was carrying something. You know, I think he, Jonathan said this guy was from Arizona. I don't, maybe this didn't even happen in North Jersey. I'm not sure. But he, so everybody, Jack,

can you show the people the picture of the guy duct taped? Because that's, that's what we're talking about right now. And I didn't know much of the story. I saw this going around on social media. People saying this guy was freaking out and I guess choking somebody and they duct taped into the chair. And I thought that was the punch line. Like, look at the guy.

It looks silly. To his arms bleeding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, like, you know, they ductated in the first class seat. And I was like, I at least got a first class ride out of it, you know? Like, how often, you know? But then I find out this past week. I think it was Jonathan Kahn put out a video saying that he was intimately involved in this situation.

And I listened to what he had to say up to the point of what this man's interaction was with him. I have not listened to a whole video. But Jonathan gets on this plane and I can verify I'm very much the same way. When I get on a plane, my first thought is I get three hours to get work done uninterrupted. This is going to be awesome, you know? And it never happens for me. It never happens for me. I always wind up having conversations with a person next to me.

And I sit down with the intention not to talk to somebody and it just happens, you know? And so maybe it's me. Maybe it's not them. But I have these interactions all the time and planes. Jonathan sits down and he's sitting next to this guy and they start talking. And he wanted to focus on writing a book or something like that. And it's not getting there. He's not getting to actually getting his work.

So he just starts talking to this guy and getting to know each other where he's from. He's a realtor and just kind of like a normal dude. He said like this was a very jolly, just fine conversation. And so he paused and I don't think he, you know, he probably didn't like turn to his side. I'm like, all right, Lord, Lord, real quick, just give me a sign if I'm supposed to talk to him. All right. So anyways, what you were saying? Like he didn't do that, right?

But like I think there was like a spiritual pause in it checking him and like, Lord, maybe you want me to talk to this guy. Maybe I need to put my work down today and just spent time. time with him. And so they start talking and more, and the guy says to him, what do you do for living? And Jonathan's like, oh, I'm an author. And, you know, he didn't get very far in what he did because the guy's like, oh, my wife loves reading books. And he's like, well, I wrote 11, I think he said 11 or 13 of them. And he's like, he's like, oh, my wife will get them. She'll read them all. She's going to love it, you know, this, that, and the other. And, you know, it's a good conversation. And then the advancement of the conversation happens where Jonathan then tells him, I'm a minister. I'm a pastor.

I preach. And he tells him, and the guy, he says that the guy seemed to receive it well. And then he asked him, what about you? What do you believe? He goes, oh, no, no, I don't believe. And he said, why's that? And it's something to do with his, I guess, way he was raised. He's probably raised, I think he said he was raised in an extreme Christian household and

probably very strict and unnecessarily hard. And often in those kind of situations, you're actually not being a representation of the love of Christ. And so that the What happened there? I don't know. The camera just glitched out there. Yeah, I saw that. But, you know, so like he...

Talking about them, he's got them all. I know. It happens. It happens. Listen, you know, it is what it is. It is what it is. But he... So the guy's, you know, sharing that with him.

And, you know, Jonathan, I imagine is probably just massaging that situation, you know, just talking with them, just being a human to a human, you know, being a voice. letting you be a voice, I receive and just tell me, tell me the hurt and the pain that you experienced, you know? Because when you can get to that route, it allows the open door for you to actually speak into somebody's life in a very calm, relaxed, well-informed way that maybe through the Holy Spirit's presence can turn that switch in somebody's heart, right? And so that's what was going on. And I guess I don't know where they were in the flight, if it was mid-flight or what. but he said at one point this man after receiving such fine conversation it was like a switch was flipped in him and he leans over and just says to jonathan connie goes it's all bull and uh you know he

he cursed on the back end of that and jonathan's like what do you mean like do you think i'm lying about my testimony because like i guess he shared with him that he used to be an atheist and he didn't that he was very much like anti-god. And he just goes again, it's all bull. And then I guess at that point he starts trying to choke Jonathan Khan. And so that's where this whole thing explodes.

The guy gets duct taped to a chair, FBI gets involved and all that stuff. And it's like the news isn't going to report that. You know, they're going to report a crazy guy who lost his marbles and did bad things on a plane. and nothing to see here move on. And nor does the news even probably know, right?

Because, I mean, let's be honest, like the media is not going to ask the spiritual questions, right? Right. But Jonathan, being the receiver of the choking, he understood where this came from. And it was demonically charged, a public manifestation of a demonic manifestation. Did I say that right?

Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Did I say manifestation twice? Yeah. Maybe. Whatever. It's fine.

But so it's like you have Sean Ryan laying groundwork of this public side of things, right? But you also have Jonathan Kahn who has been attacked now by a human agent or a human puppet of a demonically fueled attack. And thank God he survived it, right? It's like anybody, right? It's not just Jonathan Kahn, it's just anybody. Like, you know, we wouldn't want the bad part of that to happen where there's success. Right, right. And we're trying to get Jonathan Kahn down here.

I'm not sure if it's going to happen or not. We've reached out and stuff. And there's a possibility, but obviously he's busy. So I would love to have this conversation with him because one of the things I found really interesting is he mentioned how, I think he said, I think he actually has 11 books because I think the number was nine. two or nine of the 11 books that he's released right around the release date or the day of the release there was an attack that came on him uh in different proportions and so this kind of just falls right in with that mo and i would love the opportunity to sit down with him and dissect that like one why right like we can have conclusions as oh well we know why but let's talk about it you know like how does this

work um but also like when you spell it out and you lay out that, the history of the war plan, it allows people to see moving forward the attack before it arrives. You know, so like if you can learn from the history of the attacks, you can better prepare for the future. And I don't think I need to do that for him,

but rather the world. Just like we just read that list of 10, the 10 signs of demonic influence. Like, a lot of that stuff, we, like, it's almost like common sense, right? Like, you read it and like, oh, yeah, of course, right? like, you know, let's see here, sudden violence, rage or self-harm. That seems, you know, a cult or false religion.

Yep, that makes sense. Relentness around spiritual things. Oh, okay. Unsettledness. Yeah. And so, like, there's a lot of things like that that you're just like, oh, it's common sense. But when you get to lay it out step by step and you see the pattern, you get to analyze it, and you get to understand intimately the tactics of the enemy, it really does allow you to prepare for future attacks way better.

Yeah. And so I would love to do that with him, but I don't know if it'll happen or not. But the Jonathan Khan thing, I thought, was wild. And for it to happen to him is another thing. Like, one, it fits the MO of the attacks on him when books release. So is there a level of take this guy out now? But also, like, of all the people in the world that could be a Christian, and speaking to that man, it was Jonathan Khan who has a massive platform.

Every book he's ever written is a New York Times bestseller. and he is going to talk about this, you know? So it's like, I don't know if that was a good thing or a bad thing for the enemy. So he's actually, it escalates because he actually ends up saying that he shows him, he goes to his laptop, and he shows him the cover of his book, which is the altar of Pergamon, which is actually in Revelation where Satan's throne, it's actually like the throne, like his seated place in the book of Revelation. So he shows him the cover of the book,

altar of Pergamon, which actually has an aspect of the actual altar of Pergamon around it. And the guy actually like grabs and starts like violently attacking his laptop and actually smashes the screen so it's unreparable. Yeah. And that like fit of rage. So like you said, it's like all of a sudden you see this religious object. Yeah. Even though it's a satanic object, but it's being shown.

Yeah. So you can see all those little like faces, I think, around the bottom, which is part of the alter a paragon. So, oh, is it not? It's clouds? I thought it was faces.

Imaginations, Derek. Dude, I was trying to associate it together. Did that ruin your point? No, not at all. Good job, Jack.

You want you to ruin everything. No, that's fine. But so he but anyway, he gets triggered by that and it's because I feel like it's a Christian

exposing the truth that that's why that demonic thing got so angry. You know? Yeah. It's like,

how dare you know about that kind of like thing? Yeah. Well, I mean, we, we experienced not, I've never been choked

out by a demon-possessed man, but we have experienced that where you, when you expose things that have been, remain hidden for a long period of time, what's behind that curtain doesn't just turn around

and try walking away. It gets defensive. And we experience that countless times. But it's like, when the realities of what we're talking about sits in from our perspective as Christians, when the reality of it, I'm talking all reality. Not, oh, it's real, but the operation of it, but your operation in it and how God is your

defender, you can walk in such peace and understanding that, like, he is your defender. He is your warrior. And as long as I'm walking in alignment with his will, like, he's there to fight my battles. And like you can you can step off that will and all of a sudden you're you're getting your butt handed to you. Run back onto that path and just starts to stay on the path, man. And that's when that's when he can meet you and work with you and work for you. And so I think for people, you know, hearing these kind of things and stuff, the only solution, we get, we get emails from people and they're like, you know, what should I do? should, you know, how, like, some people will ask, like, about sage burning and, like, you know,

I don't know, like, how to sage burn or something. Drawing blanks on examples, but, like, it's just, like, they ask me questions about how to handle something without, like, Christ, essentially. I'm like, I don't have an answer for that. Like, I can't answer that for you, the way you want me to answer it. The only thing I have, I'm a one-trick pony, and the only thing I have is this. And if you don't want that, then I don't know what to tell you. And so with all this stuff, man, I just think that it's important for people to understand where safety and security is.

Let's transition from Jonathan, unless you got something else. Just real quick to the point, though, is that that's what Jesus says in the Gospels. When he's asked, he's like, how do you perform these miracles? Are you like the son of Satan? And he goes, how can a house divided against itself stand? Yeah. Can Satan cast out Satan? Yeah, right.

So it's like the same thing. It's like, how am I going to do something? and use dark light arts to help the dark arts and fight off that stuff. It's like, no, there's only Christ and Christ alone that can push away the veil of darkness.

No, I absolutely agree. I absolutely agree. So the Lindsay Clancy thing is another public display of something, right? And this is where I'm going to rely heavily on you guys. I often say when I'm talking on these shows that I tend to be unplugged a lot from things. this is a prime example.

Like I don't think I even heard of the name Lindsay Clancy until like last week. Wow. Like I heard it and she apparently did something bad and that's all I knew and I just moved on. Like it's just, I don't know. It's just not my, I just don't tick that way, I guess. But it came up with our guest this week who she actually went to high school with Lindsay Klanza. She brought her up during the interview. She brought her up there in an interview.

She's like, you know, Lindsay Clancy. I'm like, actually, I just. She's kind of hurt about her. I really don't know much, you know. And I do refrain from, like, you know, speaking too much on things that I don't know anything about. And so she kind of filled in some dots, which I would love for you to share too.

But the Lindsay Clancy thing, man, fill me in. And how is this a possible demonically charged thing that has been displayed publicly? Yeah. So she ends up choking out her three young children in the house and then jumps out the window of her home to kill herself. And what she says later is that it was a male's voice that kept speaking to her. That I forgot exactly like the exact, to keep them safe.

She needed to do that to keep the children safe. So she's saying she's heard a male voice that is telling. Mm-hmm. That is telling her, keep the children safe. Is she admitting that this is voices in her head? So we have a clip, and that's an interesting clip, but it's actually the chaplain of the hospital, who was then, Lindsay was confiding in the chaplain.

And then, oh, we also have a psychiatrist who actually talks about it as well and how there's definitely this true. Because she was in postpartum depression. She was, she's a nurse at the hospital. She's going through all this turmoil within herself. And so was she bipolar? Was it something to that effect that was triggering her? So whatever this male voice was was instigating violence towards her own family.

Wow. Okay. And what was the clip? Like a news clip or what? Let me check it out. This is another testimony in court from an expert about what Lindsay Clancy allegedly told them in the weeks leading up to these murders. Yeah, this is another fascinating witness and a strong witness for the defense. Chaplain Sheila Kavanaugh testifying today, not just about the voice, which is important, but also Lindsay's mindset just after the killings.

Let's listen to a bit of her testimony. Lindsay talks frequently about her children. She loves them deeply. She carries immense grief. overruled. Next question, though. Who is the lady? Does that continue to your observation? It continues presently.

So you hear more about Lindsay's mindset according to this chaplain, but also the timeline on that voice. Prosecutors are pushing back on this. They had a trooper testify saying that there was an idea that this idea of the voice was implanted by Dr. Paul Zaisel, the defense expert. but this chaplain started seeing Lindsay before Dr. Paul Zaisel did see her. So this could be a blow to the prosecution's timeline. That's yet to be seen as well. Stephen, real quickly, we said this is one of the final witnesses for the defense. What else are we expected to hear in the last few days? Yeah, court ended early again today as well.

Why is she in a wheelchair? She got paralyzed from jumping out the window. She jumped out of window. Yeah, that was the few was going to kill herself after the children were killed. So she killed her kids. Yes. And then jumped out of window to kill herself. So she, what happens, so leading up to all this, okay, she was on 13 different medications,

and several of them were for psychotic, for psych not psychotic, psychiatric purposes. So to Derek's point, bipolar, you know, postpartum, psychosis, depression, things like that, which postpartum psychosis is the diagnosis that the defense is running with to keep her from going to prison, basically, and give her the insanity plea. Now, what was going on in that moment was the day that all of this happened, she sent her husband out to go pick up medication and food, I believe. And then she killed the three kids. And she cut her, she was a nurse, I forget, a prenatal nurse, I believe.

And so she actually cut her throat in the way that she was supposed to be able to kill herself just by doing that. but then supposedly jumped out of the window, the second story window to finish the job, you know. And a lot of the things that are brought up with the voices are alleged because the psychologist or psychiatrist that she was seeing, one of the two names that was mentioned in that video, did not make note of it in their clinical notes. So even the voice that was being claimed to have been heard. So the chaplain talks about the voice that she was saying that she heard. that she heard. Well, and that's part of why there's so many questions around this, because was there really a voice, but she had said that she had psych, not psychia, um, schizophrenic, you know, tendencies before all of this. She was hearing voices. She was seeing, you know,

visions or delusions or things like that. She had tried to check herself into the hospital multiple times and specifically for stuff like that. So there's a, there was a lot, clearly a lot of issues going on. And I mean, you've talked. about postpartum, you know, depression, things like that before on the show, maybe recently. Yeah, recently, yeah. But we all know that that is a real thing. It happens to a lot of women and it affects them all, you know, in varying levels of degree. But with this, it clearly seemed like there was something that was going on that wasn't addressed or if there was, maybe it was, you know,

not actually something that was going on, but something affecting her that wasn't schizophrenia. I'm wondering where the maybe I'm just missing it but the punchline so we were talking earlier before the show started and you brought up that one date where people seem to constantly die and I I'm wondering what's the punchline

here where this is an exception to a rule because like it's getting apparently I'm the last one to know it's getting massive amount of a massive amount of attention, what Jack's saying just seems like somebody who's had mental disorders and glitched and killed her kids and tried killing herself. So what is making this such a hot case that it's obviously, seemingly there's two sides to it, apparently? Well, so the big news this week was that she actually, they had a hung jury. So one person of the 12. What? She admitted that she killed them. Well, for the insanity charges. So she's currently not like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

case ended in a hung jury. So there was no verdict to what would happen to her. So that's why it's like really big again right now. But what's really strange is also in January 24th, 2020, there was another nurse that killed her three kids and then tried to kill herself in Newcastle County Dublin. And England. Yeah. And so same thing. and then she actually gets off, she gets off, what is it say here?

She also pleads insanity and it is not convicted of the murders. And so it's like, it's really just really strange that you have the exact same date, January 24th. Yep, where you have the murder of three children and then a self-suicide. So you have those intangible together and then you have all these other things. She's a nurse, postpartum, like. all very, very parallel in a lot of ways. And even the, there's parallels with how the husband was acting and things like that. Because there's, in both cases?

Yes. And so like there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of unanswered questions with Lindsay Clancy's case. There's, you know, the possibility that this is, you know, more of a, a Joel talked about this, that this is a, actually on his most recent video, that this is a potential government sciop to create some sort of postpartum screening and more, um, Pharmakia usage in every single, you know, delivery or woman, you know, that's given birth. And part of that is with the voice to skull, you know, technology and all this stuff. Like, where the voice is external, was that why her, why was she the one that's targeted? And, you know, her husband has worked at Microsoft or worked, still works at Microsoft with AI development. Like, there's a lot of weird things really going on with the case.

But the point being that if we're talking about potential schizophrenia and schizophrenic-like episodes that probably would be spurred on by postpartum, you know, there are, with how many medications you're on, I mean, Jerry Marsinsky talks about the fact that schizophrenia and schizophrenic-like episodes have very clear demonic symbolism, you know, whether it is 100% some sort of demonic influence or is, you know, It's just crazy. The coincidence is that they, how they, how similar they are. When you're on that many medications and a decent amount of them are for psychiatric purposes, I mean, the line isn't, it's not that hard to connect, right? Yeah. So. Again, I'll just say it again.

I got to get the guy back on the show. I want them in here. I want, I want Jerry at the table. Okay. But what you're saying, Jack, somehow, maybe it was through this case that this can, up this week with my recording. But it's a book that I guess maybe they study in college for mental health and stuff. It's called Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. In short, it's called DSM-5. I looked it up on Amazon and it is,

it went down to price. It was $65. Now it's $45. Oh, because you looked again. That's why it's the Amazon way. Is it really? Oh yeah, there's a whole thing. It's a whole different show. It's a whole different show. But that's a good thing to know. Patience.

Patience. Patience. Patience saves money. So, but pre-order my book today. So this DSM-5 was brought up as she said, it's literally like when you read it, it's like you're reading descriptions of demonic entities. That was her perspective of this book. It's a medical book. It's a medical book.

And it has to do with disassociative disorder. And so Jerry, I'd love to bring him in and talk with him again. There's a lot of questions I didn't ask back in the day that I would ask now. And I think it would be a good conversation. Absolutely. So with this Lindsay Clancy, there's the mental side of it. She was on medication for many things, one being postpartum. she's hearing voices.

Her husband is in the tech industry, messing with AI development, right? I find that interesting. I'm not going to pull that thread. But we do know that this voice of skull technologies are very real thing. So if there is a PSYOP here, like Joel is suggesting,

everything's a SIOP, right? Everything's fake. Which that's not me saying that to Joel. I'm just saying, like, the more you look into things, it's like, there's always a conspiracy behind it. Like, there's always something, right? Like, I wish there could be something that arise.

Like, oh, that's clear cut. Yep, absolutely. Never is. Never is. But so there's that aspect of things where maybe, you know, there's a way to think about it on the text side of things and side. That said. So say that's true. And you have the powers that's out there operating.

with human powers to manipulate situations. And you have in 2020, a woman in wherever in UK, being a nurse, killing her three kids, trying to kill herself, her husband works in a similar field, similar case, hearing voices, all that. You can try to explain it with the tech side things. You can try to explain it with the insanity, medical side of things. but you brought up entities that are associated. And I'd like for you to talk about that

because I don't remember anything you said after that. So I'm like, please. Well, so, I mean, this is my research. I asked J.C.PT. And there's actually a killing January 24th of, like, family groups from 2019 all the way. And there's a Pennsylvania one that's possible in January 24th, 2025.

So, like, for the last, what, one, two, three, four, five, six years, there has been some kind of family killing involved exactly on Shenando a 24th. So, I mean, we are, we have huge populations, like, we can talk about, like, statistically, maybe that's plausible, you know, all these things. Longer goes on, it seems like it might be a little bit of a stretch, though. Right, exactly, exactly. And so. This is since 2019.

2019, there has been. Gearing up for 2020. If you're talking, if you, if you want to talk about. 2030. No, 2020. Oh, gearing up for 2020. What happened in 2020? Oh, yeah.

Oh, I see what you're saying. And so, like, if you're talking about rituals and sacrifices to initiate a process, and then to continue that process, has anything changed since then? Yeah. Back to normal, I should say. Yeah. So, like, there's this, I guess there's, as modius is, like, the spirit of death that, like, family, family death. It's linked to Tobit, the book of Tobit, and, like, how just, like, this, like, it's need for killing.

family. And then also, I don't think I have it here. Jack, what was it? It was I don't remember. You remember? Windigo. Windigo. Yeah. It was like you said it weird, though. Was it a different? Nah, I just said it wrong. Oh, you said it wrong. You sound very astute. Wendygo. I was like, Wendigo. Is that related to Wendigo? Is that related to Wendigo?

It's the southern one. That's right. South of the border. Oh, man. Okay, so Wendigo is what? So that's also an unsatiable, like, murderous spirit. So it can either, it either wants to, like, eat the victim or it also would go into killing victims. See, now, that's really interesting because in the movie, the ritual on Netflix, that's actually how the Wendigo is portrayed, just eating people, like, people as sacrifices. So that's interesting. The ritual. Have I seen that?

You don't much scary. You might have. You might have. It was a scary movie? Yeah. I probably don't watch it then. I don't want to be scared. But so I just asked the question,

it's like all this exposure of these crazy satanic things happening. Is there something greater that's occurring from the enemy side? Is it strategic, right? Yeah. Like, are these, is that date strategic to the enemy to build, like you're saying, something coming? Like, it's necessary, sacrificially, to continue to grow these spirits, these entities to what's coming.

When did Kobe Bryant die? February of 2020. Oh, it was January. It was January day. Look it up. I want to say January 26th. When did he die? No.

No. I think it was January 26, not 24th. Did you ever get your Kobe tattoo? No. January 26, 2020, 2020. 26. There you go. Two days off, but yeah.

Yeah. Of course you remember when Kobe died. That's crazy. I remember who I was talking to. I was talking to Charlie Robinson on a FaceTime call. We got the news that it broke. Wow. It just killed our conversation.

and we were just like, oh, I got to go. Like, I wasn't a Kobe fan. No, it's so sad. But it's just the gravity of who he was in the sports world. It just messed me out. With his daughter. Yeah. And that's the big thing.

It's the daughter. Like, can you imagine? Yeah. I don't want to imagine. No. Okay, so connected dates, interesting. And there's a world where, like, I don't think what you're saying. I don't think anybody's saying that it's 100% like a demonic entity fueling this and she did this.

because she had no say, it was just a demon, right? There can be the aligning of situations. And so the manipulation of a situation can stem and be rooted in demonic momentum. Right, like it doesn't have to be like full possession for it to be demonically influenced or maneuvered. Right. And so like it's interesting. And you said on January 24th, since 2019, there has been some kind of family, killing on that day.

We should mark the calendar and just see, I hope not. I hope not, too. It would be interesting if that, because like you said, you know, the statistics and stuff, listen, it's been seven years now running where it's happened. And so that seems statistically every year that goes on more and more less likely, I'd imagine. Do you have like a breakdown, Derek, of where those locations are? It would be very interesting.

Yeah. Do you want me to read through it really cool? Oh, you have it right now available? Yeah. Oh, sweet. That would be great. That was fast. I thought you're going to have to research it.

I have my spleen script. My spleen. My spleen. My spleen. My do you really are talking fancy today. Bro, I'm struggling. You're a fancy. I'm tired.

Like you're feeling like I got this cool voice and you're trying to like want up me with a cool accent. That's what it is. I got it. Okay. Cool. All right. January 24th, 2019. Grant, Amato, Florida.

Umato murdered three members of his own family. And then we have January 24. One second. Grant in where? Amato. In Florida. That's in Florida. Oh, that's his name.

Yeah. It was in Chuluta, Florida. Florida. Chaluta. Okay. Okay. That was a dispute over a webcam model purchase or something. And what happened?

He killed three of his family members. He killed his mother, his father, and his brother. Oh, I know that I literally have watched the videos on that case, like a boatload of times. I was saying they were Oh, I know that guy. I was like, wait, what are you talking about, bro? How much do you know them?

True crime buff. So I've watched a lot of those videos. Gotcha. So we got Grant Amato. Yep. The 20-21 is the one in Ireland with, uh, Grant was 19, right?

Uh, Grant. 2019. 2019. Okay, so 2020 was Ireland. Yep. That was Diedri Morley. But that one's exactly like almost parallel

to the Clancy case, which is why that one's pretty crazy. Okay. All right, keep going. All right, January 24th, 2021. We have Raymond Childs III in Indianapolis. Indianapolis, Indiana or Maryland?

I would assume Indiana. Okay. It doesn't tell me. Okay. Age 17, the child, age 17, shot members of his household. He killed his father, his stepmother, his brother, and a pregnant Kiara,

like girlfriend or something. and the unborn child as well. He got 360 years in his conviction. January 24th, 20203 is the lens. Hold on a second. I'm sorry, dude. Yeah, yeah. I got distracted.

Jack texts me about something just logistics on the back end of things. I got distracted. I wasn't listening to the 22 one. So we got 21. Is he taking candids of me again? No, no, he's asking me just text that I wasn't running. I forgot to. In 2021, you have the Indianapolis, Indiana person who,

did what? So he killed his father, his stepmother, his brother, and a pregnant, non-related person that was pregnant. Okay. Okay. And I'm assuming like a girlfriend would be the most obvious answer there. Uh, 22. Talk to me 22 real quick. Oh, is there no 22? Oh, don't ruin this. Oh, no, we ruined it. There's no 22. We got to dig deeper. Well, hold on. That was just one search. Hold on. Jack, save the show. You said 19, 20, 21, right? Yeah. That's three in a row.

Then you have a skip year of 22, 22, and then you go 23, 24, 25, right? Mm-hmm. Okay. So. So we had a skip year coming. Is that what you're hoping? The pattern? You said 22, right?

Yeah, we don't have a 22. So then 23, we have the one in Dublin, right? 20 is Dublin, yep. Oh, 20 is Dublin. Yeah. Oh, 23 is Clancy. Yeah. And then what's 24?

24 is the Y-A-U-C-O family Yalco family Puerto Rico Fernando Vasquez killed the mother brother

and then he killed himself and then there's another one in Pennsylvania of 20th 2024-25 Paul Swarner We're in Pennsylvania It doesn't tell me

Okay sorry I could click the article So two kids and his wife And then he went to and then offed himself as well So was there something in 2026? I don't know So it's a little short But I mean if we dug

I'm sure we could probably find some more things connected So that's my point though Is like if it's happening in threes It's like that would be like Obviously some sort of potential What do you call it? all, principality that you're talking about. Like, is it happening in threes for a reason?

Because it's skipped a year in 2022 to then happen in 23, 24, 25. If there's nothing happening in 26, then it would be 27, 28, 29. You see what I'm saying? Interesting. I don't know, man. I don't know how these things operate, but it's just interesting that, like, it's not a one-off. And there's, like, there's just so much going on in this last two weeks of just crazy, to me,

very obvious supernatural possessed possession, public possession moments that it's like is God trying to wake us up is the enemy

getting more bolden where are we in all of this that we need to like be more alert and aware of our situational awareness. Yeah.

I agree with you man and I think it's a sign of the times we're living in and there was different working titles for my book

but one of them was the confessionals colliding kingdoms instead of what we did exposing colliding kingdoms but we went with exposing warring kingdoms but that's the idea is that like I feel like we're getting to a point in time where the kingdoms have been

colliding but it's like coming to a head where it's no longer shooting arrows across the battlefield they're up close and personal warning and when that's happening I just feel like the worlds are colliding coming together and the manifestations of what's happening in the supernatural, the warfare it's happening will manifest here because the hour is near. And we're drawing close to a time where I think we're going

to start seeing some wild, wild stuff happen around us. I agree. And good stuff too, like deliverance, freedom, seeing people come and be set free. Like you're going to see public manifestations. You're also going to see public freedom sessions. Yeah. And you're going to see the warring kingdoms unfold right in front of you. And so this pattern that Jack and you and a little bit of me are trying to pick up on, it's like maybe the pattern, excuse me, maybe the pattern is actually the scriptural rhythm that we've seen throughout the 66 that we got.

Yeah. And so it just, you know, I'm not much of an essay. Eschatology guy. Like, obviously, I give credence to the topic. But it's like I would never feel comfortable sitting down and being the eschatology guy at a table and say, let me tell you, that's not my thing. I recognize patterns, right? And what we're seeing here is worlds colliding.

And when that happens, the manifestation starts kicking up. And I do believe that manifestation good and bad is going to kick up. Oh, man, I can't wait to see mass healings. Dude, it's going to be amazing. You made me think, though, like, what if the whole point of what we're supposed to do is not have it in the headline. So the break in the sequence is someone actually helping someone walk away from murderous intent. Shining light in the darkness.

So like our job is to break the cycle. Yep. You know, I love it. Powerful. I love it. I love it. I forget, I can't remember. I was thinking about it the other day.

Somebody recently brought up to me about, I forget how it was brought up. Maybe it was a dream. know. Serius has no relevance. Or does it have all relevance? Oh, maybe. But it's something about like, with what I do and, you know, like,

I think the word was platforming darkness. I think is what it was said. And I said, scripture platforms darkness. Scripture points to darkness, shows us the reality of darkness, shines light on the darkness, and then shows you how to conquer it.

That's what I'm trying to do here. You know, I'm not platforming darkness just for darkness sake. I've been through that. Yeah. I'm not interested in that anymore. That's not fun. Curiosity time's over for me, you know? It's like, now it's time to knuckle up and get to work.

And so, yeah, I think you're right, Derek. I mean, maybe just simply the awareness that if it is a thing, the awareness that the three-year rhythm possibly could be, if that's true, maybe it does break a cycle and it allows somebody who would be the next target for, you know, a few months from now to have some kind of freedom. And maybe not because they watched our show, but because there's a ripple effect. Like, what is it? Right now, we got over 1,000 people watching right now live. So, like, of that 1,000 people, there are people connected to them.

And of that 1,000 people, at least two of them will talk about this show. Yeah. And then who knows where it goes from there. So, like, you just never know. And even in the spiritual, when you shine light on the darkness and the spiritual, it has that. effect as well. Absolutely. So not just in the natural.

Oh, and that like goes to our last case. And Pamis Cisneros, she was... Fair of me. Good job. 49-year-old from Queens, New York, but she was walking around Times Square. Yeah. And I saw a video over even before. She's, like, dancing around with two, like, chef's kitchen knives.

Dancing? She was, like, dancing around. Wow. She was, like, celebrating her knives in her hands or whatever. And then she goes out on the street, and then she goes and just randomly stabs two people, one to death. and where the story gets crazy it's already crazy

but the cops surround her and they ask her to put her knives down she can't like it looks like she literally physically can't drop these knives and all of a sudden they you see three tasers hit her body and she's like a little what she's like a little Filipino lady

you know what he mean she's like five foot nothing hits the ground and instantly bounces up and like starts walking with the tasers in her body holding the knives at the police. Wow. And so they responds with fatal force.

And, but like, that goes to show, like, as I was just looking at her backdrop of stuff, and, like, she's very much in the eschatological worldview that we're in. Like, she called herself a believer and still, like, doing these heinous acts, right?

And so, like, we can get into all the questions we asked earlier on and all these things. But, like, our job is, I think, to find people on the edge, to find people in the darkness and to pull them. towards the light. Yeah.

And I think everything that happened with her, I mean, like, if someone was speaking, and that's such a heavy thing, man. And I'm going to, I'm going to share a story for when I was in high school. I was, we had a Bible study at my house every Wednesday night. And like all the kids, like a bunch of kids from school would come all the time. My buddy Phil was actually dating this girl, Michelle. And, uh, she. didn't like really have any history going to church or anything like that.

I think it was like her second or third time coming to the Bible study. And I remember sitting there and just like the spirit of the Lord was so heavy on me. And it was like go witness to her. Go share Jesus with her. Go ask her if she knows you. Like boom, boom, boom. Like I couldn't resist it. Like it was just like I was forced to go talk to her.

So I go talk to her and she received Christ. And it was so beautiful, man. was so awesome. Well, guess what happens the next Wednesday? They're coming back up to a Bible study. My two best friends and her get in a car accident. She dies on the impact. Wow.

And so, like, if I hadn't shared, if I hadn't witnessed, if I hadn't done and been obedient in that moment, the eternal ramifications of my disobedience. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And, like, how often do we go through these stories? And it's like, maybe someone was just being disobedient.

And we just keep walking our life because we don't pay attention. into the gravity of sometimes the assignments that were given. Yeah. How important they are. Because they have eternal ramifications. Wow, that's deep, man. That's, I mean, that's, what a life lesson to pick up at such a young age to be able to then walk through life on mission, knowing that the mission is there for a reason.

It's not fake. It's 100%. Like, you felt the prodding, you were obedient in your uncomfortability. A week later, you see. what happens. And, you know, we don't ever want to put ourselves as the arbiter of somebody's salvation, right? Like, we don't know. Like, maybe there's five more people that guy would have thrown at her, right? But for you to carry that then for the rest of your life, as somebody who's been around you for a period of time now and seeing how you operate, man, I've been a big foot

conference and you're praying for people and all that, you know, but like, like, like you live your life with a sense of urgency. And I think we all are starting to do that. Yeah. You know, we're really starting to live just with that urgent nature and hearing that story kind of gives context as to what that fuel is for you. What's the outcome for me if I didn't respond? Right? Like how much would that hang over my head every anniversary of her death? You know what I mean?

I could have. I should have. I was inspired too, but I failed too. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's how important the assignment is sometimes. Yeah. That's, I'm glad you shared that, man.

I think there's a lot of people that probably can relate to that. where, you know, how many times, it's not like you've been perfect. Like there's been plenty of times, I'm sure you've been more of a rebellion where it's like, nah, I don't want to do that, you know, and you don't. Oh, absolutely.

And you don't know what the ripple effect of things are, but in your case, it's like, um, either way, you would have learned what that ripple effect was, you know? Yeah. And you're just, you're lucky to have been obedient and be on the right side of it.

You know, when, when you guys said about her, uh, jumping back up, walking and then they had to use lethal force. My first thought was, man, dude, like, that could have been me.

You know, like, like, I just pick, I haven't seen the video. I think there's a video of something that you guys have for this, but I'd like to see whatever it is, unless we already covered it. I think it's a little graphic. He covered it, but, yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's fine then.

But, like, I'm just, like, I was talking about earlier how, how angry of a person I was. And, like, dude, like, there's, probably a real pathway for me to get to that level of anger. I mean, I hope not, but you don't know. You don't know. And you would qualify yourself as a Christian in that time. I don't know about that.

Like, honestly, I don't know about that. Because, I mean, looking back, I believe, I believe I went through a very, very dark time as a Christian. In the moment, I was thinking, I don't know what I believe. I didn't even know if God was real. But you grew up in a Christian home? Yeah. Going to Bible school. Yeah.

Like all those things. And yet that storm came after all that. Yeah. You know? Yeah. How could that? It's because it's a heart issue. It's not who you're around.

It's like what your heart is. That's right. Golly, man. That's wild. You said about, before you started that story, you mentioned about our job is to pull people into the light of Christ. And I would like to just kind of add to that, which is like everything we're talking about,

you're talking about like siops, demonically charged situations, mental disorders, falsely accessing the spiritual. Yeah, like our job isn't to define why the case is the case and what got the person to the platform of being in front of us. Our job is literally just to do one thing is to pull them into the letter of Christ. So like we can sit here and debate, you know, is she guilty? Is she psychotic? Is she pretending to be psychotic? Is she demonically fueled?

Same with the lady in New York. Same with the guy on the plane. What's the tick? Is it actually demonic? Or is it more mental disorder? All that. We can debate that until the cows come home. But it doesn't change what our job is.

And we get distracted by trying to define the problem and not just attacking, hey, this is a problem. Let's just handle the way we're instructed to handle it. You know what I mean? And so, like, it's good that you said that, man, pulling people back into the letter, stayed already for the first time.

But it's wild. Jack, were you going to say something? No? Okay. I think this is a good spot to end, it guys. It's getting hot in this room. It is getting hot in here.

I'm losing my voice, and my wife now has two sick kids at home. And so I got to go and deal with three sick people. And yourself. Oh, yeah, I'm sick, too. But I'm the least sick, I think. I'm actually functioning. And I deal with myself every day, so it's fun.

Yeah. Yeah. So guys, listen, again, the Merck Baby's T-shirt is available. Jack, you show that. Oh, you're showing them right now. Good job, Jack. That was from last week's video. Oh, we didn't show them the video, did we? The eye video. Today. Is it available at all? It's on our stories. Oh, bro. We're going to make this happen. I got it on my computer here. I'm going to drop it in Slack. And then you're going to take it. And you're going to take it. And you're going to. run with it. So, so people, I want people to see what inspired is in case they didn't come here last week. You missed it. Yeah, it's a lot of videos, a lot of videos, a lot of videos. There we go.

Cool. I think this is it, roughly. There's, because there's two versions of the video. And I think, I think I'm giving you the wrong one, but it's okay. They'll get it. Okay. Here it comes. It goes in Slavic.

So you should be able to grab it from there. But yeah, so people who are maybe not familiar with what happened last week, my dad was here in studio. My family was visiting my sister, my niece, my nephew, my mom, my dad. And my dad comes on and talks about his UFO encounter as a kid growing up. And what did we talk about last week? But I keep thinking about the babies. Philadelphia Experiment. Oh, it's missing islands.

That's right, vanishing things. That's right. That's what it was. Things were disappearing. And somehow we looked my dad's alien UFO stuff into it. So only one table can do all that. And so he's here and he's sharing about his experiences growing up. And because we knew he was going to be here and share these things, we made this AI intro video, which is an artistic rendition of what my dad looked at. like when he was younger.

I took an old ID that he had in his wallet from back, like back in the day when he had hair and it was all slicked back. And I uploaded that with some images. And I was like, I've worked it all out. And this is what we got. Oh, I can't play it because it's not the right format. Oh, no. What kind of format is it?

It's, uh, 8. 2, 6.5. Give me one second. I know that it's in my down. I got you. That said it was so. What I really want to know is, did you have a beard when you? you're a baby. Of course I did.

Of course I did. Did you really have a beard when you were a baby? Can you imagine giving birth and all of a sudden like bro comes out with a beard? He'd be like, dude, who's the dad that has that much facial hair, babies coming out with a beard? Jack, I'm dropping the right one here, buddy. I got it coming in Slack now.

It's the end of the show. We can be a little unprofessional and prepared. It's fine. Just stay with us guys. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We're not going to be right back. Oh, we're right here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I dropped. I dropped the actual right one there, Jack, from last week.

So that's the one. It might still be the same format, though. It's MP4. Right. But it can be MP. The first one is MP4, too. It's the wrong codec. That's the right codec.

It's the one I exported from last week. Okay. The codec works. Can you screenshot it and just throw the photo up? No. It's the whole video. I want them to see. In all its glory.

Oh, here it is. Give me some audio. And boys, that's the time I was almost abducted. Wow. Isn't that fun? And so people always said they wanted it as a T-shirt. So officially, guys, the T-shirt is available for the next week only. It is a pre-order situation.

You pre-order it after next week, we take those orders, we take it to the printer, they print them, we ship them out. And so if you want this exclusive Merck Baby Slingshot Nation T-shirt, then go to Merckmerch.com and get your pre-order. It's the very first thing on the website. If you could pull that website up, Jack, because I can't remember what it's actually called. I'll just look it up real quick. Merckmerch.com. Merch.com. That's what it's called.

And it's limited time offers is this section. Oh, look at Jack. You put the banner right up there. The Merck babies with the pre-order now. Man, Jack is getting good at running this store. Good job, Jack. So, yeah, if that's you guys

and you want a little piece of that action, the collector's items maybe. Is that a collector's item? Yeah. It could be. It could be one of those things where an athlete becomes like a super-duper star and you never knew it as a rookie,

so you have the rookie card. And it's like, oh, when? we didn't know what it was going to be. Or like three or four years from now we're at a convention and someone has that shirt on. That would be wild. That's crazy.

If you get the T-shirt and you see us around, we want a picture with you. We want a picture with you. So many times people say, is it all right if I take a picture? Is that weird? It's not weird for me.

If it's weird for you, we don't have to do it, but we can take a picture. And so, yeah, check it out. Oh, we got a super chat. Super chat from Lori. Thank you, Lori. We love you, too.

Oh, Lori had a baby. and she, man, she tipped on the way out. How about that? Thanks, Lord. I appreciate that. We love you. We love all the listeners. We appreciate you guys for tuning in

and just being part of this process that we have been building here. The show, Slingshot Nation, has come a long way from what it originally was. From me doing remote stuff to bringing you guys in, we're working out how we do the show,

our chemistry and all that stuff. And I think it's come a long way. And if people don't like it, that's okay, I like it, so it's going to stick around. Yeah, there's also this comment. Just wanted to put that one over there. What's the comment?

Jack? I can't see it. Killer man bun. Oh, killer man. Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying, man. I wanted to feature the man bun today, and you said no. Well, yeah, because you told me to put my hair down. And my hair is not...

Yeah, but afterwards, I was willing to take a picture with it up. I wanted to use the man bun. We should do the man bun. We should put you, like, in a ninja outfit with a man bun. Like, you can be like some kind of samurai or something. Oh, with a chopsticks in the back. Ooh, a samurai. Samurai Jack.

Or for Halloween, could he do the Leia buns? Isn't that a show? yes that is a show. Samurai Jack? Yes, Samurai Jack? Really? That's a show. The fact that you said that, don't even know it is hilarious. It's a cartoon? It's a cartoon. Yes. You definitely subconsciously have it in there somewhere.

Absolutely. Absolutely, it does. Exactly. That's crazy. Let us know in the comments section. Do you want a t-shirt with Jack? Is it right? I'm just kidding. We're not doing that. We got as seen on YouTube coming. As seen on YouTube? Yeah. How do you feel about that, Jack? Whatever.

Let's let's have the conversation with the people. people here watching. Do you feel comfortable with people walking around in public with your face and flowing hair as seen on YouTube on it? Sure. Okay. I need it. I want to wear it. I say we do it. I say we do it. At some point, we'll do it. Maybe we'll do it as like a Christmas drop or something. I really need to have it with a cut off sleeve, jean vest thing. I think that's how we got to rock it. Now we're talking. We're talking about big investment and little return. I like it. For one smile. That's it for one good laugh. Oh, my gosh.

She's like making a complex outfit over here. I'm thinking that's going to cost a lot to make. And then people are they going to buy it? I don't know. All of a sudden, we have a warehouse full of these shirts that didn't sell. I'll buy one for you, Jack. Don't worry.

Thank you. Absolutely. Support this face. Yeah. Support the face. All tips go to Jack. Just kidding. Anyways, let's get out of here.

Let's go. Oh, that's it. All right. Is that it? Sure. Is that it? I got my wife's birthday today, so. That's right.

Yeah, go home early. Oh, man, you're supposed to be home already, weren't you? It's basically like, yeah. Did you tell you're going to be home early? If I get home soon, it'll be okay. Okay, go, run. All right, just run, while around camera, just run out. Just run.

Just run. Just while around camera. Everybody knows so your wife can see you're coming. Just go. Just go. Derek, go. Go. Go. Oh, boy.

Is that a slings shot? Just run. Yeah, yeah. Slings shot season. Hey, let's run it. Hey, hey, hey Grace hit me like Boom can't miss

God with me, whole squad, gung Walking the spotlight, who that Standing in the slang and the truth slap Never in the way we moved dad All my name for the hit like a du wreck I was stuck in the valley that view bad Now I'm up in the hills with a food bag God took all my elves ran through that

Now the wind stack high like a new stack Every step with the light, that's a blueprint Hope pack getting bright cause he doing it He the king so the crown got a new feed And the cross hit harder than a new clip We ain't here just a body's a movement Every giant in the way he'll move it If the world want to hate strong for the tree life

Blown in the dirt now I'm cleaned up Blubbought brand new never dreamed up Every thorn out of stone trying to team up Got 50,000 standing here feeling beamed up I remember them nice in the struggle Feeling way down deep by the trouble But he showed up strong bro the muzzle Now the fake built bit like a double

We ain't here for the fame of the flag cap and the well Don't run dry, that's that fax Now we run another pat with a show step Every swing once Hey hey like