The Confessionals - LIVE AFTER SHOW PARTY: One Year Anniversary!!!

Episode Date: January 14, 2018

Welcome to the LIVE after show party! Tonight, Tony sits down with Wes Germer from Sasquatch Chronicles and other special guests as we hangout and discuss the past year of The Confessionals! CALL IN LIVE to talk with Tony and guests at (713) 955 - 0696! Patreon: www.patreon.com/TheConfessionals Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel

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Okay, we are live. I hope everybody can hear me okay. I am new at all this, but I am very excited about doing this live presentation tonight to celebrate one year of the confessionals being on air. I am joined tonight with Wes Germer and Dave Groves. Now, if you guys listen to the show tonight, you heard that Wes shared his.

Bigfoot Encounter on my show, and there's a lot of extra content at the end. And if you listen to the show, I don't know. Dave, when were you on the show recently? It was a month or so ago. I can't remember the episode. 45, maybe? Yeah, you know, I think it was 45. Dave Groves, it was the encounter, Bigfoot and Broad Daylight.

And how are you guys doing tonight? We'll start with you, Wes. To and well. Doing well. Thanks for having me, Tony. And thanks for the interview earlier. It's been a while. So, but thanks for having me on, man.

I'm honored you have me on your show. So thank you. Absolutely. Absolutely. This is going to be a blast. And I'm trying to multitask here tonight because we have a slight technical issue where my producer said that he'd be good. And it turns out he can't go tonight because of technical difficulties on his end.

He can't connect the microphone to blog talk to plug in. So I'm going to be produced. hosting, hosting, and all that fun stuff tonight. So we'll see how it goes. Dave, when I had you on the show, you know, I don't think I actually ever really told you how that show turned out. Did I? I don't think I did. No, no, we didn't. Okay. That show was the biggest single week episode we had all year. Get out. Yeah, now I'm dead serious. It was a fantastic show. And I knew it would be because, like, obviously, I know you and I know your encounter story and everything, but people really enjoyed it.

They shared it around a lot. And we're going to be talking to some, we're just going to be talking about the show tonight and, you know, the successes of the show is remembering some of the highlights of the year. And hopefully people can call in. If you want to call in, you can call 713-955-0-6-9-7. that's 713-955-0-06-9-6 and you can call and talk to me you can talk to west talk to dave uh but dave yeah your show uh had i believe it had just over 20 000 downloads for one week's episode so from saturday to saturday yeah it was an absolute uh beast of a show and you know as the host i i never really know you know what show's going to hit what show's not going to hit i know

whatever show I put out, I'm enjoying. So if you hear me put out a show, it's because I actually like the show. And so I just don't know what other people are going to like, but they really enjoyed your show and your encounter story. You know, it's one of those things where when you say that you saw a Bigfoot and broad daylight, it catches people's attention because you can see the detail. What was the, what are some of the things that like stuck out to you, Dave, as far as like this whole transition for you into the Bigfoot community.

Like you went from a non-believer to, you know, a knower. And, you know, what was that process like for you? I mean, was it like a shell shock thing? Did you even think about it or did you just kind of like brush it under the carpet and move on until a few years later? Because I know you said it was some time between you actually pursuing the topic and your citing. Well, no, I didn't brush it under the carpet. think I wanted to. I was confused. I know that. It was, you know, I fought with it for myself for a long time. Not as long as a lot of people. I hear people can go 23. I don't know how they can keep it

that long, but, you know, I fought with it, and I had to mention it to my fiance, and she accepted it. She laughed, but she accepted it because she knew me. And then I think the biggest thing was, when I got online to do some research on my own, to know that there was even a community out there. I mean, all these podcasts and, you know, conferences, and then I started, I looked and saw local ones. I was like, get out of here. You know, I didn't know there was a community. I figured there was a small group of people that followed it just like anything else, but not to the size that it was. You know, I didn't know anything about this stuff. I mean, I wasn't in any of the shows. I think finding Bigfoot was the only one that was really on then.

None of the other ones were that followed later were. And that's actually what brought me to open up was I saw an episode, and it was in Pennsylvania at the other. Allegheny National Forest. And I had to watch it and tell everybody, hey, this happened to me, something happened to me. You've got to watch the show, not knowing what the show was at all. But, yeah, so that's pretty much Bennett. And then, you know me, I collect books and stuff, too,

and it just amazes me that no matter how many books you collect, there's still hundreds more out there. There's so many books written on the subject, you know, fiction or nonfiction from every different view. And it's a huge, huge genre of, you know, books, even movies, everything. It just blows me away. And to see how many people actually having encounters, you know, I think is the big thing.

And that's what I've taken on with this myself is I want to get it out there. You know, I don't want anything from this encounter. Some people say that. You hear that negative side of it. I was kind of timid about talking about it. Wes had me on his show, which I appreciated. And I enjoyed the heck out of that, West and Woody. But it was kind of, you know,

it was weird being on these podcasts and people want to hear your encounter and no one's really laughing at it like I thought they would so yeah it's it's been eye-opening it's uh you know so I do I do want to get that out there and that's why I continue to do some of the podcasts I backed down on a few of them but

it needs to be told I mean everybody that has an encounter lives with this and it's not easy to live with in my case it wasn't as hard as a lot of the others Mine was pretty pleasant, to be honest, you know, considering some of the others I've heard. And, you know, it wasn't as hard to share. And it just, it amazes me how people have opened up, the artwork. You know what happened afterwards with Sibbila and the artwork that she made for me. And it just became like my house is a museum now.

Hey, Wes, did you ever interview Sibila Irwin? I haven't. I've actually talked to her on the phone. she's very sweet, very nice, and she's a hell of an artist. But I've never had her on the show. And going back to what you were just saying with Dave, that doesn't shock me that he was one of your highest downloaded shows. Dave is very coherent the way he speaks.

He's very likable. I don't know that I know of anyone even on social media that doesn't like Dave. He's very likable. He had a great encounter. It doesn't shock me one bit that it was one of your highest. I love to have you on, Dave. I mean that. If I hated your guts, I would tell you right now. I hate your guts. You would. Yeah, I think you would. Yeah. But no, and you do a great job. But no, I've never interviewed

Seabilla. I've talked to her on the phone. She's very nice. Very, and like I said, she's a hell of an artist, man. You can't deny the skill set she has. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. She's fantastic. of fact, I just did an interview last week with somebody who she's going to connect with once she kind of things settled down for her. She's going to do a sketch for this lady as well because this lady saw a dog man. And it was a fantastic interview. I'll be airing that probably next Saturday because it was just that good of an interview. I just got to get it out there. When I have a good interview like that, I just got to put it out there.

So, yeah, next Saturday is going to be a dogman encounter show. It's going to be great. And, you know, I wanted to kind of, Dave and West, both of you guys, really, I asked you guys both to kind of be on the show to start off because I really wanted to spend some time talking with you both together and individually. And Dave, we'll start with you. You know, you've been with me since the beginning. And I want to first off say how much that it means to me. because, you know, when I started all this online, you know, content creation online, that's what we'll call it because I do a lot of different stuff.

You know, it was all started with Pennsylvania Sasquatch Research on Facebook. And when I started that Facebook group, I had no idea what it would turn into. I just knew that I was really interested in a topic from, you know, my finding of Sasquatch Chronicles. And I was really trying to figure out, is there Bigfoot in Pennsylvania? is it possible? Is there anybody in my area that I could learn from? That was my initial intent because I was very new to the online community of Bigfoot. And so I didn't know how popular Facebook groups were with Bigfoot.

And so I started this group and it started growing. And soon I started having people asking me questions about Bigfoot. I'm like, I don't know. I'm just here to learn. But I'm the admin. So I had to lead a group of people while I was learning. And one of the things that I did was I was very honest with people. I very much told them, hey, listen, I'm here to learn just as much as you.

I try to let people know that I'm not, you know, some expert or anything like that. And, you know, the group was started growing and I needed to bring on an admin or two. And Dave, you were part of the group at the time. And I had just heard you on a podcast. And I was like, well, let me see if this guy will be interested in it because he is in Pennsylvania. And I wanted to keep a Pennsylvania cast. and you took a phone call from me and you talked with me and you very much graciously accepted being an admin on the group

even though the group was probably like, I don't know, 200 people at the time. It wasn't like, you know, some bum, awesome group and all that stuff. But you helped grow the group and you helped cultivate it. And I really, really appreciate that, man, because you were there for me when I needed help and stuff. And I just wanted to publicly say thank you for that because what happened was you and I from that became a pretty good friend. And I went to you for a lot of different ideas and stuff and bouncing things off your head.

And not in reality, just figuratively speaking. But, you know, one of the things I wanted to say is that I remember when I decided to really look into doing this podcast. And I remember calling you and talking to you about it just to see what your thoughts were on it and stuff. And you were really, really supportive of it. And, you know, I was, it kind of, for some reason, it just made me feel better knowing that you supported it. And I think it's just because of the connection we've, you know, gotten over the years and stuff.

But, you know, who knows what would have happened if you would have pooed the idea. But I really appreciate your friendship, man. Like, it really means a lot to me. And I want people to know that you are a big reason why this show even started. Because if you didn't accept that Facebook invitation from me, who knows where the group would have gone, who knows where anything, because that group is where it all started. So I just wanted to say thank you very, very much for that, man.

Oh, man, you're welcome. I got to tell you, Tony, it was an honor when you called. I had to think about it because I didn't know if I could commit time, you know, why do something if you can't? And it was a small group then. I remember that. But I know it was going to grow. The way you had that group run was great.

I mean, you didn't run it. You let it run itself as long as it didn't get out of control. and I've got to say now, you know, with the things that have happened over the years, I back down as an admin a lot and just kind of let the thing run itself and don't interject much. It's, you know, I think it's a great group. We really got, I don't think we've had many issues on that group, and I've seen so many with others. It's crazy. But, yeah, you know, it's funny that you said that I can't recall some of them conversations,

and it's funny that you mentioned, you know, being supportive. Because, as you know, I don't listen to podcasts. I listen to them. Like, I do listen to Sasquatch Chronicles. I listen to some others in your show, but not every episode. And I'll catch them probably after they went live or after, you know, the live ones or maybe a week later after they've been put on the air. Whatever. It's just I don't sit around and listen to them.

And it's kind of strange that I don't. But yeah, I don't. But I just knew you would be good, you know, just the way you are. You're open, you're receptive. You really wanted to learn. That's one thing that I love the butt when you asked me. on at that point. Well, actually what happened was, I think I was barely a member on your site and wasn't posting much. And you had asked somebody if they were out in Washington, Pennsylvania, and could

offer a guy assistance. He was visiting or in a camper or something, and he was having a lot of issues, and he had to go out and get his cameras down. But there was so much activity going on, he needed somebody's help. And I was at work, and I took a break and called you or was texting you or something. I thought you meant like this weekend coming up to go out and help him. And You meant like, no, drop what you're doing, and he needs something. And I couldn't do that because I was at work. But I'll never forget that. I was like, wow, that's cool.

And, you know, I wish I could have wouldn't have helped them. But it was at that point that I really took off with your group and started getting in involved a little bit more, you know. And as it went, yeah, we've attended the Ohio conference together. And I'm just grateful that I met you because, you know, I want to bring up bad things, but you know what happened about a year ago. And you were there. You dropped everything and put a show on.

to help me get through the loss of Ray Ann, and it was just, I still watch that video sometimes, Tony, because I need to. It was very heartfelt. You are really who you are, and that's why I do, you know, offer as much support as I can with you. You're not out there just to put your name out there. You're out there because you want to learn and you want to spread what you learn and, you know, and make this show popular.

I mean, why have a show if it's not going to be, I mean, even if a couple people are listening to it, that's great. But why not hit the masses as much as you can? And that's what you've done. I think you've done a great job with it. As little as I listen to them, you know, not just because we're friends. Your show is one of the few that I would listen to, I think, anyways, just because of how it is. You know, I remember, Dave, I remember when I did that.

I think it was Derek. I don't want to say his last name, but I think it was Derek that needed help. And, yeah, I remember that because now I look back at that, and I think, man, I was in a totally different place back then when I first started a group. I was married, but I didn't have any kids. So I pretty much could do what I wanted to do when I wanted to do it. And I just thought everybody else could do the same thing. And I'm like, who can stop what they're doing right now in their life and go help this guy?

Oh, I wanted to be so bad. I just couldn't leave. I could leave for it. It was right up the street. Yeah. But I forget what I was going to say. But, yeah, I mean, I just really appreciate that and stuff. So, you know, you're a good friend.

And I really, you know, it's just one of those things. And, you know, Wes, it's now your term for my public thanks. You know, I know you hate it too, but I got to do it because, you know, I don't think I'll ever forget how that whole thing developed because, you know, I'm a big fan of the show. And, you know, I listen to Sasquatch Chronicles every Monday when I go to work in my truck. And that's one of the first shows that I listened. to. And I remember I'm in my truck and I had just backed into a dock at night. It's dark out. I'm getting

ready to go home. And I get this Facebook video call from Wes Gerber. And Wes, you and I talk for like 45 minutes. It's really cool. And one of the things you said is you saw that the, because most people don't know this, but the confessional started on YouTube. Now, most people don't know that. I think it's just, it was a podcast, whatever. And that's what it is now. It's a podcast. But at the time, it was a YouTube series that I was doing with people in Pennsylvania that saw Bigfoot, I would just call them up. I'd record it on my phone. And like literally, I had an app on my phone that I hit record and record my voice and their voices at the same time. And I would just say, you know, state your name and tell us what you saw. And they would do that. And I'd be like, all right, thank you very much.

And that's about it. I mean, that's literally what the confessionals was at one time. And, Wes, I don't know what it was, but you called me and you said that, you know, you thought I could turn it into a podcast. And, you know, you didn't know that, you know, I had already, you know, I have two studio microphones sitting on my desk right now. I have, you know, different things I already had set up for this type of thing because I used to mess around with audio production back in the day. But you just encourage me to do that. And, you know, I took you took you up on it. And you've helped me, you know, through the steps of getting up a show and what does it take to get an RSS feed to iTunes and all that bull crap. You know, that's a pain in the butt. And you just kind of help me walk through

the process. And I just. I really appreciate that, man. I really, really appreciate it. Well, you're welcome, man. Like I said, you know, like even the show we put out tonight where I was talking about my encounter, you know, I think you're a better interviewer than I am. And I meant that when I said it. And I think there's a lot of skill sets to your show.

You know, it's like I told you, don't just corner yourself in with Bigfoot, go with everything. And you've done a great job, Tony. You don't owe me anything. You don't owe me any. because as you know, as you well know as much as I know, to build a successful show is nothing more than hard work. I don't care what anyone says. It's nothing but hard work. Got forgive my voice for the audience listening.

I'm still fighting this cold, but you did a great job, man. You did a great job. You don't owe me anything. Thank you for the kind words, but you really don't owe me anything. You know, you did it yourself, man. It's a cool show. I listen to it, and there's very few podcasts I listen to, and the confessionals is definitely one I listen to all the time.

Well, I appreciate that, man. I really do. It looks like we have our first caller, and it's last four digits. It's 0551. So I just screened this guy. His name is Buddy. Buddy, how you doing, man?

You're on live. I'm good, man. How are you doing? I'm doing good. So let me ask you a question, buddy. Obviously, you listen to the confessionals. When did you first start listening to Confessionals? Honestly, it's been a little while now,

but I actually got word from Sasquatch Chronicles, believe it or not. Right on. How to Wes? I started listening. Yeah, what's up, Wes? What's going on, buddy? You get to talk with you, ma'am. Thanks for calling you.

Yeah, man. Thank you guys, man. Every week I listen religiously. I look forward to coming out. It helps me get through my day. And, yeah, I just wanted to call in and give thanks because you guys really do help out a lot. I appreciate everything. I'm actually thinking about starting a podcast on my own here soon.

Right on, man. That's awesome. Thank you, brother. So, buddy, you, what part of the country are you in? I'm in West Virginia. West Virginia. Okay. So let me ask you a question.

Did you listen to I Killed Bigfoot? Yes, I did. It's been a while, but yeah. Okay. It's episode 31, so it has been a while since I aired it and stuff. What has been your favorite episode so far? Honestly, man, I just, I really know if I have one. I like them all.

I just, every week you give me something to look forward to. Yeah, I just like them all, man. Oh, that's great, man. I like how every week it's something different, you know what I mean? It's always something different, and I just really like how I like just, yeah, it's awesome, bro. That's cool. So are you a Bigfoot guy first? Is that your first love when it comes to paranormal stuff?

Not really. I'm just, I'm just a fan of the paranormal in general. And, I mean, I'm open-minded. I definitely believe there's definitely more out there, you know what I mean? and to be honest, I was calling in the Buster Balls about the Eagles, but they won. You know what? Hey, buddy, let me tell you something. I didn't even know what happened to the game until Dave called in to tell me before we went live.

I literally didn't watch one minute of the game. I didn't even know what the score was until Dave told me they won. So I've been a little busy today, you know. Saturday is my busy day. Right. Yeah, I'm a big Redskin fan, man, so I got to wait until next year. That's what I've been saying every year and I've been a kid next year.

Yeah. Well, let me tell you, sorry. Oh, yeah, man. Out of all the teams, you got Dallas, you got the Eagles, you got the Giants, and you got the Redskins. Those four teams, I think it's safe to say that the Eagles, the Giants, and the Cowboys, we really do feel bad for you guys.

So, I mean, we... Damn. All right. Oh, man. We'll have to see about that next year. Yeah. saying it, man. Keep saying it. Oh, man, buddy. I really appreciate you. Oh, yeah, man. Thanks for having me on. And like I say, keep putting out good work.

And West, you too, man. I look forward to Southas Aquanical every week. And I appreciate it, brother. Thank you, brother. Thank you. Yep, y'all have a good one, Tony. I'll be looking forward to it next week. Right on, brother. It's going to be up. All right, man. Thanks. Bye. All right. Well, that was awesome. That was really cool. I mean, Wes, I remember you told me you used to do the blog talk, you know, studio and stuff back in the day. This is a lot of fun. So I got, I see we have

another caller on the line here. So just hang in there 1297. We'll get to you in a few minutes here. Guys, I wanted to, you know, do some things tonight here where I wanted to kind of look back at this year and some of the episodes that, you know, really I enjoyed either, you know, interviewing or listening to myself, you know, just kind of like, you know. I raised that 12 days and I blowed its head off. That one, you know, who doesn't like that one? I've gotten so many. I've gotten so many people who, the first thing they say in an email, I blowed its head off.

I mean, I did listen to that one. Yeah, I mean, we were just talking about. talking to Buddy and buddy, if you're still listening, that that was from episode 31. I killed Bigfoot where I interviewed a guy named Brian and Brian comes on and he's from Gallia County, Ohio, which is right on the border of Ohio and West Virginia. And you can totally tell in his voice, he's from West Virginia. He's a great guy, though. And he's got to sharing what happened to him, you know, and he kind of started it off when he was a kid.

I think he was 14 and he saw all these things. And for him, it's just a matter of fact kind of thing where he just knows they're there and he doesn't like him. And so let's listen to Brian's encounter here of when he saw Bigfoot and then when he killed a Bigfoot. Well, to be honest, it's my first sighting. I was about 14 years old being two of my buddies. I really don't want to give any addresses or exact location. properties. That's just because all the idiots. Now, if they were real bigfoot researchers, I wouldn't remind mine too much, but we all know how idiots can be. So it all started about

when I think I was about 14 or 15, me and two buddies. We were on some trails and across to, oh, I'd say it was about thousand yards away. We seen something that kind of looked like a bear moved through the woods, and I yelled up my buddy, and I said, hey, what the hell is that? And we sat there watching it, and all of a

sudden it just stood up and walked like a man. And we sat there, we're not even sure if it'd even realized that we were even there, because we were scared to death at that time. And that was the first time I ever seen a red one. But still today, well, later on I figured out what it was, but for the longest time, we cannot believe what it was. Okay.

So how far exactly was it away from you? Oh, about 1,000 yards. See, we was on one side of the hill, then it broke down into a big valley, then it went up on the other side of the hill, and it was walking right to the road. left dead center in the middle of the hill that you got to understand this it was dead winter so all the trees all the plants everything it was clear it was clear cut woods we could see right into it

at first we thought it was a bear then all of a sudden it just stood up and walked off and i've always hunted ever since i was 10 years old and i told my buddies i was like for one we don't have brown bear in the state of Ohio and for two they don't move like that but I never it never comprehend that it was an actual big foot that we seen that happened years later that was the first time you saw a bigfoot on your property yeah is that the same property well actually that one he wasn't exactly on the property see we moved away then when my mom had to move back

to the same road that the property was on that way I seen the first one she had bought property on that road and the distance apart between where we started seeing them like five years ago is only three miles away

so the first sighting was not on our property that happened years later. Okay, I gotcha. So it was in the same area, though. Yes, yeah, three miles away. Gotcha. All right, so that was the first time you saw one.

What happened next? What brought them to your attention on your property years later? Well, she bought the property. She needed help moving in and stuff, and I just went to a bad breakup, so I moved in long enough to help her. everything was going okay never even thought of it

I mean I wouldn't even think in Bigfoot I was sitting out on the porch smoking the cigarette you know just watching traffic going by you know just being bored and right about dark

I heard the longest loudest how I've ever heard in the woods and I was thinking what the hell is that and it was roughly about this time

a year actually. In the evenings we'd hear it. Then it was getting louder, than louder, then louder, then we'd know the Fittier Town bags of dog food would bring new bags of dog food would disappear overnight.

And stuff rattling in the trash cans, something sounding, they'd call them wolves, but I thought it was, I was, what the hell was making that? So one night I got up, I grabbed the high-power,

rifle, walked out on the porch, hit the spotlight, and there it was standing there in the field. Same damn thing I seen 10 years later. And I thought, what the hell? That's somebody goofing off. Somebody in the monkey was sitting trying to scare him crap out of people. That's exactly what I thought it was. Then hunting season came in. Then that's when he got real close.

He was probably nine foot tall, probably about five. foot wide and I was turkey hunting and I was in solid camo right up against the tree. I blended in so perfect that human could walk by, not even know I was there. Twelve-gauge shotgun, semi-automatic. Camouflots. I was camouflaged from head to toe, man. I looked like a moving tree through the woods. Got closer, got closer, got closer, got closer.

When he got about 15 yards away from me, I raised that 12-gauge and I blowed its head off. and that would be my third encounter. And that would have been my third encounter. Wes, I know when we were going over this show and stuff, that was one of your favorite parts when he actually paused. And he's like,

and that would have been my thing. He's just so matter of fact about it. One of the things about Brian is, you know, because when you have somebody saying they killed a big foot, clearly you're going to have people say, he's lying. He's lying this.

that and the other, right? But I had a lot of people say, this guy just wants attention, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Brian didn't even know what the confessionals was. I found him. He's, he was in some kind of group and they were talking about Bigfoot and he said, well, that's not true because blah, blah, blah. And they said, well, how do you know? He's like, because I've killed one. And everybody jumped on him. So I just PM them. I said, hey, Brian, I'm not looking to, you know, jump all over you. I just would like to hear your story. And him and I talked on the phone a couple of times. And I got the gist of his story.

And I decided to bring him on because his story didn't change from time to time. It was the same thing every time. And Brian, when we were recording, I think it's even on the actual episode itself, I told him about at the end about how, you know, when the show goes live, I'd let him know. And he's like, well, how would I know where to listen to it? Where am I going to be able to listen? He had no clue what a podcast was and all this stuff. Like, this is not his realm.

He just, he knows what he has on his property and he hates him. Wes, I know we talked about it before and stuff, but what were your thoughts on that whole episode with Brian? I loved him, ma'am. I thought he was an awesome witness. Yeah. I didn't get a little coughing tonight. Sorry, man. Yeah, Wes is dying here.

Yeah, no, I'm dying of the plague. No, I thought he was awesome. I didn't get a sense at all he was making anything up. I've talked to many witnesses on and off the air, and he was legit in my mind. I just didn't get a sense that he was full of it, and I loved how direct he was on everything. Probably one of my favorite, most favorite shows, certain of my voice is kind of going and out. It's the pneumonia, but I loved him. I thought he was awesome.

I would have loved to have him on my show. I would have loved to interview him. I was so jealous when he had him on the show because there's a lot of things that he said as far as descriptions and go along the lines to where he couldn't have known that unless he had seen them. I thought it was great, man. I thought you did a great job with it.

And he let him talk. You know, you let him tell his encounter story. Yeah. I thought he did a great job. Great witness. And way better than Dave. I would definitely Sorry Dave

I'm just fine with you Dave Yeah No I thought he was great Yeah I thought he was great I loved it Yeah I really Thank you guys Same here I had no

You know you go into that show Thinking oh here we go This ought to be fun to listen to But it wasn't too long into it That I thought the same thing Just from the description And the way he was real matter of fact And you know

It just sounded like This guy really did I mean, yeah, it didn't leave too many doubts in my mind either. Yeah, it was one of my most interesting shows to put out because you know you're going to get heat for it. Like, I knew when I put that show out, I'm going to catch heat for it. There's going to be people out there that are going to call BS and all that stuff, and that's fine. But I would like to say this, though, because of some things that were said just a couple weeks ago, I don't want to point fingers or anything like that.

I'm not going to turn this into one of those shows. But I would say this. There have been interviews that I have done. I've conducted interviews that will never see the light of day because when I was done talking to the person, I didn't feel comfortable putting it on the air. So anything that you listen to my show on, you hear me put a show out,

it's because I at least authentically believe this person is not lying. Okay? It's just that plain and simple. So when it comes to Brian and his encounter and stuff, clearly I believed him and we'll leave it at that I mean it's just a great encounter and I just want to hear this one part one more time

got closer got closer got closer got closer when he got about 15 yards away from me I raised that 12 gage and I blowed its head off I blew it his head off I love that that would be in my third encounter oh my gosh

that might be a drop throughout the night because that's just fantastic I love him So speaking of Ohio and Brian in Ohio, we have a listener, Matt Carver, who wants to come on. Matt Carver is actually a former guest on the show, and he is also from Ohio. So, Matt, how are you doing today? I'm doing good, Tony. How are you doing?

I'm doing good. So before we get too deep into things and stuff, why don't you just let the audience know what episode you were? That should have been episode 34, the haunted church. Cursed church. Close enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cursed church. Cursed church, that's right, yeah.

Yeah, so we had you and your wife on, and it was really interesting. And I think we can spill the beans on this a little bit here tonight since, you know, it's been so long. You and I did this interview beforehand, and you talked about your wife's encounter at the church. And so you start out the show with when you were in high school and you had a Ouija board and, you know, you were uncomfortable with it and all that stuff. And then you went into your wife's encounter with a haunted church that you guys were intending. I mean, that's just basically what it was. And, you know, I think I text you, I remember it was going to be show 17, episode 17. And you, you told, I told you that your show was up that week and I was excited and you said, hey, man, my.

wife's not feeling it. And I was like, oh, man. So I put another show together that week and stuff. And I didn't know if that show was ever going to see the light of day because I thought it was a great interview that you did with me. And, you know, until your wife was comfortable with the idea of you sharing this whole story of your family and what happened at the church and stuff, that show wasn't going to air.

And so, I mean, from that point on, what happened? Like, how did your wife feel comfortable after a while of coming on the show and talking with me? So it wasn't even you sharing the story, but it was actually her coming on then and sharing the story. And if she's listening, feel free to say hi, Leslie. Okay. Hey, yeah, I think, you know, I remember I first found out about you through Wes and Sasquatch Chronicles. So, hey, Wes, how's it going? It's going good, man.

It's going good. Thanks for coming on. Yeah. So then that's how I found you, Tony. And I've been listening to Seth Quachronicles for about, well, it's been about over a year and a half now. So it'd been six months or so. And I started listening to your podcast and your interviews. And I remember you had a guy on there who was talking about Ouija boards and demons and everything else. And I thought, man, well, I got a pretty interesting Ouija board story.

So that's how I decided to reach out and contact you. But after we did the interview, and I said, listen, I said, Tony wants to talk to you. And she was okay with that at first. And then as it started getting time, you know, to actually sit down and talk to you about it, it bothered her. It bothered. It kind of freaked her out because I think she was thinking, okay, I'm going to have to relive this all over again. So she really hadn't talked about it much. And that was one of the hardest texts I ever had to fight because I thought,

here you are, getting ready to put on this show. But that's my wife, and she was having a hard time dealing with it. And you were great. And you said, man, don't worry about it. I understand. Tell her it's okay. you know, keep in touch with me and let me know how things are going. And so I really appreciated that from you.

And just from, you know, she listened to some of your podcast and just getting a sense of how you were. And I said, you know, listen, I said, if this can help somebody, I said, I want my interview out there because if it can keep someone from messing with one of those things or if someone had had a bad encounter, they're not alone. You know, maybe hearing someone else talk about theirs, they don't think they're crazy. And when she looked at it like that, you know,

she's like, okay, I want to do this and, you know, we set the time. And I think it turned out great. I think it gave her a lot of, I mean, this is kind of cliche, but closure on the matter. And you also had sent me some other interviews from other podcasts.

that you had listened to. And when she listened to those, she's like, yeah, this, you know, this really happens. This is real. My experience, you know, is a little different than some other people, but this kind of stuff really happens. And I think that helped her a lot also. So, you know, I know you and I've talked about some other stuff. But, you know, in all my years, I mean, I've been out of the woods and hunting and fish,

I've seen some weird things. And when I hear other interviews, whether on your show or less, that people come on and they just tell you what happened, it does help you. Because sometimes you see things or hear things and you're like, I just didn't hear or see that or that's what was that? That don't seem right. But yet when you hear other people are having similar encounters or similar things happen to them, it makes you feel a little bit better.

So I hope if anybody was dealing with anything like what I went through and definitely what she went through, that that helps them. And I think it's great that both you guys, you guys are so good at what you do. And then you guys are great interviews and you listen. You don't, you know, cut in. And you guys do a really great job. And you guys are easy to talk to. I mean, I can tell from people you can talk to West. I talk to you and myself, Tony, and everybody else you've had on listening to, you know, the episodes, interviews and stuff.

You guys got a gift for this. And I think that's just great. Well, let me just cut you off right there since you said I don't cut people off. Oh, man. Well, listen, Matt, I really appreciate those kind words. And, man, I'll tell you what, like every episode that I've done, it was. was a learning process for me. And it's been interesting this week. I've been listening back at a lot of the shows, trying to pick, you know, what shows were one of my favorite shows? And I had to narrow it down.

Your show was one of my absolute educational shows for me. And it wasn't because of what you guys necessarily said, but what you guys encountered at your church sent me down a whole path of seeking for more knowledge. So, for me, for me, for me, you guys. me, I told you right off the bat when we first did the interview that I absolutely believe that churches can be haunted and it's just a building. It's not God himself. It's literally just, you know, bricks and mortar. There's nothing special about a building itself. And, but it sent me down its path where I started looking to see, you know, is there any other instances that this happened and things like that? And I came across something that I really didn't know much about. And I

started learning about it more and more, which is the fact that I have found many, many interviews by ex-Satanic priests saying that one of the things they do is they do curse churches. They do go into churches and they pretend to be a member of the church, trying to, you know, seek the Lord only to create havoc within the church body, whether it's financial, sexual things. There's a lot of different ways they go about trying to divide a church, but their goal is to split the church. And several interviews I've heard people say this. And the one interview, the guy said he's been personally responsible for splitting over

100 churches up. And so, like, it's a very real thing, you know? And you're not the only interview that I've done that with. There's a guy in Canada, his name's Nate, I did an interview with him, where he talked about somebody, you know how people do these drawings where it looks like one thing, but if you look at a certain way, it'll look like something else. Well, somebody did a drawing for the, church, the pastor of the church, and it was, you know, I think he said it was Jesus on the cross kind of thing.

And, but if you turned it upside down, and I think he said in Jesus's beard was drawn a Baphomet. And so, like, one, they got rid of that painting or whatever it was, I guess a lot of their problems went away, but it's just interesting how, you know, the Christian church can become under attack by these kind of things. And, you know, your show and your wife's encounter, really kind of pushed me into a direction of actually looking into a little bit more. I knew it was possible. I knew it was there. But actually talking to somebody who experienced these things really kind of, you know,

prods you to, you know, do further research. So, Matt, I really appreciate you coming on tonight and sharing with us. You've been a good friend of mine, actually, since we've been connected through the show. And I really appreciate that. Don't ever be a stranger. You got my number, man. I won't, buddy. You guys take care. All right, man. I'll talk to you later.

All right. So, all right. So Matt, he and his wife came on, and that was a great time. It really was. There's a lot of fun having him and his wife. It was a dual interview. So he did one part, she did the other, and they kind of did it together at the back end. It was a lot of fun. A lot of people, you know, don't know that backstory where his wife kind of put the breaks on the show initially. and I'm totally am fine with it because like it's we're dealing, as you know this just like I do, we're dealing with sensitive material when it comes to these encounters people have, whether it's paranormal, UFO, abductions, Bigfoot, whatever it is. This is sensitive stuff because this actually happened to real people and they're opening themselves up to share with, you know, us personally and our audience. And so when somebody says, no, I'm not feeling comfortable with this,

you have to respect those wishes. And so I totally, I'm totally fine with what happened. And obviously the show aired in the end anyways. It's like two months later. It was awesome. It was great. I loved it. Now, I said earlier that Matt was going to be episode 17.

Well, who was episode 17 instead? It was Jason Weaver, the episode I Touched Bigfoot. And Jason details some, you know, paranormal experiences that he's had throughout his life, really. but then he goes into talking about the time he was berry picking with his cousin and he's actually touched a big foot. And I think we should probably check that out right now. You know, the butter bowls, you know, the parquet butter bowls, you know. So who can fill their butter bowl the fastest?

And I always make this point because if you've ever gone blackberry picking as a kid, you know, that when you're picking berries, usually one hits the bowl and two hit the mouth, you know. So we're having fun eating and picking and, you know, we're hanging out. And, you know, it's a beautiful day and summer. And my cousin goes into kind of a meltdown. And he was, like I said, he was kind of a weird kid then. He wore, you know, real thick glasses. And he was kind of a, you know, kind of a goofy looking kid.

And he starts going into this meltdown like, I want to go home. I want to go home. I want to go home. I want to go home. And he was, you know, whimpering like that. And finally, after doing that, I'm like, what's wrong? You know, that kind of thing. Asking what's going on.

And finally, he drops his bowl and he jets out of there and he runs behind me. He was picking to my left. He runs behind me and catches the trail to the tractor road and up the road he goes. And I'm like, ha, more berries for me, you know. So I get the picking. You know, I'm going to win this contest. What a baby, you know, and I'm just picking and picking along and eating and working my way. And I hear a whistle to my right, which is the area that Jerry had run.

and it went real loud, but it was about like that. And I turn and I'm looking and there's nobody there, but I'm like, knock it off, Jerry, quit trying to scare me or whatever. I know it's you, you know, whatever I might have said, something like that. And I go back to picking the berries. And I'm working around this cove. And, you know, when you're picking berries, you ever blackberry picked? When I was a kid, yeah.

Okay, you know, when you're picking them, you don't even have to look to know they're ripe. You know, all you have to do is tug on them, and if they're right, they fall into your hand. Oh, right on. When you're picking, you're usually looking for the next cluster to go after. Well, that's what I was doing. And I hear this whistle again. And as I'm turning, I'm reaching into the thicket. And as I'm turning to look at this whistle again, I heard the whistle, and I reached my hand into this bush, and I touch hair.

Okay. And I always, when I tell this story, I always say I've touched everything in a very thicket. I've touched snakes, sunning, and I've touched bird nests. I've touched birds. You know, I've touched some wild stuff, but I'd never touched hair before. So as soon as I touched it, I immediately pull my hand back and I look. And I see this figure, and I step back. And I'm probably eight to ten feet back from this bush, and I'm looking at this.

this bush and I can see its thigh and its calf where its thigh and its calf come together. It was squatting with its arms between its legs. I could see its massive tricep, see its shoulder, see the back of its head. And every time I'm trying to see what it is I'm looking at, and I can't fathom what it is I'm seeing, and I can't see its face. and every time I adjust, it would adjust like it kept putting its head into the thicket. And I looked down, Tony, and I see its little toe, see his three toes on his right foot, three outside toes on his right foot.

And I realized that they look like people toes, you know. And when I saw these toes and realized what I was looking at, my body immediately shut down. and I felt all the all the wind leave my body and I couldn't breathe. I wet my pants and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster and it's black, dark black, cold gray colored, you know, and it wasn't, but it was cut, man. and I finally, my fight or flight mechanism kicked in, and I dropped my bowl, and I ran like my cousin, and ran back up the hill, and told my parents,

I saw a monster, saw a monster. All right, so that was Jason Weaver. That was Jason Weaver. I'm sorry, I just repeat myself there. I wasn't sure if I was live yet or not. Anyways, Dave, I just heard you say, wow. Isn't that crazy, man? Oh, man.

His voice, yeah, it comes back like that. But wow. Yeah, it's absolutely insane. I mean, I can't imagine reaching your hand into a Barry Bush and touching one of these things. It's absolutely incredible. So I think I would take, how do I say this? I raised that 12 days and I blow its head off. I think I would blow its head off before.

I touched it. Oh, man. That's going to be a shirt. Yeah. So we have a lineup of calls here tonight. And before we bring any more calls on, we have a special guest that just stepped in. And it so happens to be my lovely, wonderful wife, Lindsay. Lindsay, how are you?

Hi, I'm good. I am very tired. I'm holding a five-week old right now. I'm a little sleepy. Hi, Lindsay. So. Lindsay, everybody, everybody, Lindsay. So, hey, Lindsay.

You and I, I told you I wanted you to come on the show if you could. I wasn't sure if you'd be able to. But this isn't going to be real long. I know you're busy here. But I want you to share with people just kind of like your experience as my wife. And, you know, I'm 32 years old now. We've been married for 10 years. Actually, it's almost 11 now.

Yep. And you've experienced my enthusiasm for entrepreneurism. And you've seen me try many, many things and fail at them. How do you feel when I told you I was going to start a podcast on top of everything else I already do? I honestly don't even remember exactly the exact moment you told me you were going to start a podcast. And I think one, sleep deprivation is preventing me from remembering. And two, because, again, like you just said, you've tried so many things. It kind of all at some point blends together.

So, yeah, the exact moment you said, I'm going to start a podcast, I don't really recall. But I mean, I think it's the first thing you've tried that you actually laid the foundation for first and then built upon instead of trying to do it in reverse. Yeah, I have a bad habit of seeing the end game and thinking that the end game should come before the beginning. And that's just not how you build things. I've tried so many different things. I mean, if anybody listens to the Renegade podcast, you know that I told Wes on the show that I was in Amway. I did Amway. I had a cleaning company briefly with a partner.

What else did I do? Sports company, you tried. I'm going to sports camp. Yes, sports camps. Center court athletics. I had that company for a while. I've tried so many different things. And I always like, I buy the T-shirt before I had the customer kind of thing.

You know what I mean? More like 500 T-shirts. Yes. I bought like 500 T-shirts and stuff. I was like, this is going to be great. They're going to sell like hotcakes. And nobody bought one except for like my parents. Oh, man.

Good time. I've always had supporting Kastel. I've always had people that love me and supported me through my enthusiasm and my parents and my brother, my sister, and you, obviously. My family has always been there for me. And I don't think you guys necessarily understand me, but you deal with me. You know, you love me through it. And I know, I still remember seeing your face when I told you I was going to start a podcast.

Like, it was just like, oh, here we go. Like, you thought I was settling into trucking. You thought, okay, he's going to be a trucker now. Okay, we're locked in, locked and loaded. And I threw you that curveball. Well, I think I kind of always expect with you that there's going to be another, like, you'll call me up, you know, any day of the week. Hey, I got an idea. Yeah.

I'm like, oh, okay. I did this week. I came up with a new podcast show to start. And eventually, I'm not going to drop with what it's going to be on live air, but eventually I'm going to be coming out with another show. Hopefully, that's going to be fantastic. It's going to be amazing. I just saw it this week. So, yeah, but I had to call you and tell you this week.

Yep. It's one of those things where I'm a truck. driver and all I do all day is I drive a truck and I think about things. So I have, I come up with so many ideas. And that's one thing that if I ever stop driving truck, I'm worried that I'm not going to have the ideas anymore. Driver on the block. Yeah. Right. Oh, man. But yeah, I just want to, you know, you know, have you come on tonight just for a few minutes and just to let you know for everybody else. I really appreciate you. And I wanted to say thank you for just bearing with me through the process. And this year wasn't easy because, you know, you saw the process. Like I come home from a 60

hour work week and I come upstairs and I work on the show and I literally treat it like it's a job and from the beginning. And so, you know, it meant, you know, I'm not around as much and things like that, but you just supported me through it and I really appreciate that. And now this year, 2018, we're facing our second year of the show and a whole new challenge now is here because little Ben is here with us. And I thought, you know, Wes, you told me when we were having the baby and you said, you know, the Renegate podcast might have to be put on the back burner. And I said, no way, absolutely not. This is going to be cake.

I see what you mean now. You know, and I'm not saying the Renegate podcast is going to put on the back burner, but I see what it is. Like, to have a kid in the house, it is a lot more work than I thought it would be. Like, I thought, oh, this is easy, you know, how hard could it be? You take a lot more time, a lot more time. You can hear him talking out. I know.

You can hear the old guy. Hey, buddy. But, Lindsay, I just wanted to say thank you very much. And, you know, hopefully the second year of the show continues to grow and we see more success. Well, I mean, it's been 10 years of watching you try different ventures. And I think for the first time, I'm actually seeing one that really fits you. And that's, I mean, that's refreshing. You finally find the fit.

That's awesome. I'm really glad you said that. It feels good to know that you have the support of your spouse. So I love you. I love my little guy. I love you. I'm going to go take this little crybaby out. All right.

If you could just pull the door shut down. See you. All right, everybody. That was my wife, Lindsay. Radio gold, man. Radio gold. I got to tell you, you know, good women are hard to find. Very, very hard to find.

You know, and, you know, with Lindsay, you know, I know, I know just from the Renegade podcast, and you know, you and I've talked more off the air, Tony. we've become pretty good friends off the air. Man, cherish her, dude. Cherish her, tell her how much you love her and buy her nice sayings. And, you know, it's good women are hard to come by, man. Very hard to come by. Yeah, Tony, I'm impressed that you remember how many years it was.

A lot of us forget that, you know, just because we're guys. Oh, yeah. Let me tell you guys something. I'll tell everybody this. I'm very open about some things, and this is one of the things I'm very open about. And I tell everybody, and I'll just spill it to the whole world right now. one, obviously, I love my wife dearly. She's just absolutely the backbone.

If it wasn't for Lindsay, honestly, everything else, if it wasn't for Lindsay, this wouldn't be happening. Because bottom line is, if she said, I really don't want you doing this, I wouldn't have done it. And so I'm really glad that she supported me through it. And her and I went through her ups and downs. You know, we've been married since we were 21 years old. I think when we were about 25, I became a real craphead.

I just went off the deep end. and we had some serious marriage problems, but we worked through it. And I'll tell you what, that woman right there, she loved me through my issues, and I'll never forget that. So she means so much to me. And let's bring it back now. I'm going to get off that. So we have some callers lined up here tonight, and we have a special guest coming over here.

Actually, let's not get off that for a way. How the hell did you end up with Lindsay? How did a guy of your caliber end up with a woman of that caliber? I don't get it, man. You got to tell us your secret. I don't, I don't know. I guess I was cuter when I was younger. I don't know.

I'm just playing with you, man. If you want to go to call. I'm just screwing it. No, it's, it's, I don't know. Honestly, there's days that you, like I said, I'm in a truck. I'm thinking by myself all day at work. And when you're by yourself for 12 hours a day, turning a wheel, pushing pedals, you've got a lot of time to think.

And she comes across my mind all the time. And just the fact that she stuck with me through my hard time. times and she she had the foresight she saw she saw down the road and let me tell you something I'm going to be a little I'm going to get I'm going to do it um so one night uh we we were just we were having issues and she I came home it was probably like one two o'clock in the morning I was drinking and she's sitting she's sitting at the kitchen table and she's just waiting for me to come home and that's not like my wife she's like she's tired early she goes to bed and so I knew something was up. And through a long, through a long story short, she had to get some things

off her chest. And she, and my wife isn't one for lots of words like me. I could talk for hours. Lindsay is less words, but she's very literate. So she writes a lot of things. And so she wrote a five page letter that she read to me at the kitchen table. And she said a lot of things in that letter. But one of the things she told me is that she knows that I still love her because at night I roll over and put my arm around her in my sleep. I'm telling you what, man, that messed me up. That messed me up. Like, I almost started crying right there and stuff. But she had the foresight of our marriage and she, she just kept pushing through and stuff. And I just absolutely love her for it. So let's just get off that now before I start crying. We're not going to turn this into a counseling session.

We have a great guest coming on here tonight. He is a former guest of mine on the show, episode 15, Rocky Elmore. Rocky, how are you today? Good, how are you? I'm doing good, man. Thanks for sticking around on hold for a little bit. We're trying to juggle things here. Rocky, I wanted to bring you on today.

To be honest with you, there's two reasons why I wanted to have you on today. One, because I absolutely loved the show that we did together. And also, on top of that, though, I wanted to personally say thank you to you. Because you were episode 15. And so you got to understand that I'm just starting a podcast of 15 weeks into it. I don't really have a whole lot of shows. My podcast cred isn't really up yet. And, you know, you're the first person that came on my show that actually was published anywhere.

So I've had a lot of guests in my show before that, that just, you know, they had experiences and they shared it. But you're the first person that either had a book or things like that. Like you were actually published and you were willing to come on my show. show and talk with me about your experiences. And I'm telling you, Rocky, that that meant the world to me. Like, I didn't say it to you that day and stuff, but the fact that, you know, somebody who was a published author with great experiences was willing to come on and talk to me. And it wasn't like, see, I've talked to people before that, you know, are in the spotlight and things like that. And they talked down to me. And you didn't do that behind the closed doors. Like, when the mic

went on and everybody heard what you were saying, that's the same thing you were to me behind closed doors when the mics were. off. And I really appreciated that, Baraki. And I wanted to let you know that live on air in front of everybody. It was just your show was great and you're a great person. Well, thank you. And congratulations on your anniversary show and on your son. As you know, I had a son very late in life. I was 54 and now he is four years old. And I'm 58. So it is quite a handful. They get more active and it gets stuff. But I really enjoyed doing your show. I did. And I know we've talked several times since then about different things. And we'll probably do a lot more talking offline. Absolutely. I know we have some

common interest. For sure. Absolutely. I mean, I know, you know, I tend to dive into the conspiracy bucket and there's been times that you know I've I text certain people just to ask them their thoughts on certain things and I've text you in the past and stuff and you've you know just shared your opinion on certain things and I just really appreciated it like you've never you know separated yourself from me and that's I guess what I'm trying to say is that you know when I was when I was new at all this I've had certain people that after they were done being on my show they separated themselves for me like they didn't want to deal with me like they got what they wanted it out of me. And you didn't do that. You actually continue to be in communication with me.

And it says a lot for your character. And I would highly recommend anybody who's listening who has a podcast to ask you to be on the show because you got great things to say and you're just a great person to talk with. So that said, Rocky, everybody knows that has listened to the show that you've written a book out of the foot. And that was just a fantastic book. In fact, I know, Wes, you interviewed Rocky. Rocky, what was one of the favorite things about that book that you wrote? Like, I mean, was the process of writing the book your favorite thing, or was it the reminiscing of all the stories to put down the book? You know, like, what did you find about this whole thing about writing the book that you enjoyed? You know, since I'm not actually a professional author, and this was the only book that I've written, I really didn't know how to go about it.

and I had just retired, and I had a four-month-old in the house, and some of my wife's family had come over from China to help us with a baby. So I had like three Chinese women in the house and a four-month-old baby, and I just retired, and didn't know what to do with myself, and I thought, well, I'll just write this book. When I started writing the book, I actually started the initial pages out, just typing it on notepad. and I would sit up after everyone else went to bed like at 2 and 3 o'clock in the morning, and I like to make my own homemade mead, which is a honey wine. And I would sit there and drink the mead and just type on this book. And whatever, I tried to relive the stories in my head. And I just typed them as I relived them because my goal was to help people feel what it was like to be out.

there and experience these things to take them on a roller coaster ride and that's kind of how I've treated this whole thing my goal wasn't to sell a bunch of books or get well known or anything like that it was to just tell count fire stories that I thought people might like to hear from extraordinary people that had kept these stories to themselves and I thought these stories are dying with these agents as these agents die off and we lost a legend yesterday and the Border Patrol. But as they die off, their stories go with them and no one's telling them. And I thought, I'm going to do it.

And some of these stories were really bizarre, paranormal type stories. And I put them in there. And for me, it was about the journey and not about the end process. Like you said, earlier, you just jump in seeing the end sometimes without seeing the beginning. I guess for me it was kind of the opposite. I wanted to just not take myself too serious, enjoy the journey. And I have, and I've met lots of great people that have interviewed me, and many of them have become friends like you have,

and it's just been a wonderful experience. These people I will keep in touch with for the rest of my life. Like with Wes, I believe Wes was either the first or second interview I did, and then a couple of days later, Yeah, Wes was right off the bat. He was either the first or second interview. And then a few days later, Wes invited me to come to California, and I took my family out to California and met Wes,

and we went out to some of these locations where some of these events happened. Unfortunately, it rained on us the whole time, so we weren't really able to get to some of the actual location. So I think Wes said that was just his bad luck. rains on him a lot when he gets out in the field. But, no, it was, you know, and that was a good experience, too. And that's what it was all about, you know, was meeting people, having fun, not taking things too serious, enjoying the journey.

If I managed to prove something along the way, fantastic. And if I don't, then hopefully I entertained a few people. And, no, your interviews was one of the ones I enjoyed, really enjoyed. and yeah, it's just been good. Yeah, absolutely. I'm just, like I said, I'm very grateful that you were willing to talk with me. And, you know, it's one of the things where when you first meet somebody and you're just so impressed by them and you're just so thankful that they're actually willing to talk with you. But you're not going to say that right there.

Like, I'm not going to be like, oh, thank you very much and stuff. But, you know, this week I was thinking about who I wanted to bring on the show. and, you know, I just wanted to see if you would do it. I'm glad you did because I just wanted to be able to have the opportunity to thank you publicly to everybody because it meant a lot to me. Now, Rocky, do you have any other things you're working on right now outside of the book? I do. I'm not going to write a second book.

For a while, I thought I might do a second book, but I've actually decided not to do a second book. The radio interviews have kind of, you know, I think I've interviewed with a lot of shows. shows. And they've kind of died off, and that's okay because, you know, I'm ready to go on to another phase. And now it's kind of moving into a cable TV, webcast opportunities, quite a few opportunities. Actually, I'm trying to weigh through about three or four different opportunities, and I can't, obviously, I can't talk about them now because I don't know which direction I'm going to wind up going, but some of them are quite good opportunities. And that's kind of where it's going.

It won't be necessarily, it won't be shows per se about my book. It will be paranormal things. I'll be moving into the field like you and West, except I won't be doing it on radio. It will be on some kind of TV media. That's great. I'm really excited about that, and I can't wait for the opportunity to promote it. And soon as you have stuff going on. If I knew what direction we was going, I would tell you right now and let you promote it.

Right. Well, you know. But now I'm... Go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say earlier you were talking about how much you enjoyed conspiracy theories. And I don't talk about conspiracy theories in my book, but I do enjoy them. And I know that's one of the things we've talked a little bit about all fair. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's just with the conspiracy bucket and stuff, I just, I can't help myself. I have to dive down and sometimes. But, you know, Rocky, you said about when you do have something, you'd let me know so I can promote it. I'll use that as a segue to let people know just kind of how the show went this year. Now, on January 19th, 2017, I started the show. I launched the first episode, which was a farmer that saw two Sasquatch out in his field. Actually, no, he saw one in the field, one in the woods.

He saw him at two separate times. And it's in Western PA. And it was actually like one of those live events where he contacted me shortly after this whole thing happened. And in fact, this guy contacted Dave Groves first and then Dave passed him on to me. Is that right, Dave? Yeah, I remember. He was all excited, yeah. Yeah.

I couldn't help but pass it on. It was a story needed to be heard. Right. And so you passed it on to me, and he turns into our first episode. Now, the first episode had 284 downloads on the first day, okay? And I was ecstatic about that. And you say as the year went on, we grew a lot. And last month in December, we finished off the month at over 250,000.

downloads for the month. And that said, I want to say thank you to all the people out there that listen to the show, because I didn't do that. You did it. You know, like, West knows this just like I do. We're not the ones that make the show. Like, it's the fans. Like, if we were putting out a product that was crap, nobody would listen, and we'd have

nothing. But the fact that you guys listen, you guys are speaking that way and saying you enjoy the show. And I really appreciate that. because I never would have imagined that the show would have gotten that many downloads in one month in one year, in less than a year. And just let everybody know the first week of January, 2018, we had over 100,000 downloads. So we almost doubled or did half of what we did all the entire month of December in one week of January, and December was our best month ever. So, Rocky, that said, when you come on my show next time to promote something, hopefully we'll be in the millions of downloads of. downloads a month. That's the goal. So it's been a great year. The show's grown a lot.

And Rocky, I actually have some things queued up here that I'd like to play. The first one is my favorite story you shared outside of, what was the partner's name that passed away off the cliff? Santiago, right? It's Santiago, yes. That was my favorite story that you shared. That was like a paranormal type story. But this story is my favorite story you shared that had nothing to do with paranormal, but it was just funny. So let's take a listen. I really enjoyed doing that.

It probably wasn't the smartest thing in the world to do. But when I was going through the academy, our instructors told us. They said, look, the Border Patrol is just. different from other law enforcement. He said, here we're teaching you, you know, thanks for liability reasons and thanks for safety reasons. But when you get out in the field and start working for real, you're going to break all of these rules because you can't work if you don't. This isn't normal law enforcement. So I put that to use one night. We had a group coming through Windmill Canyon, and I was down there with another partner.

And normally we tried to separate out. We didn't stay together because our goal was to get one guy to cut the group off at the front of the group, and then the other guy would drop in behind the group after it passed him up. And we were going to do that. We had a group of about 15 or so that was coming through Windmill Canyon right down through the bottom of it. And I was going to be the takedown agent, and I'd found a really great spot to hide and wait for them to come. But unfortunately, it was getting very close to shift change, and it was a full moon. So it was very easy to see anyone come down that trail, and when the guide got up to a certain point, he realized that.

And he realized that if he went another 200 yards, that he would be totally exposed, and, you know, we would see every move they made. The guide also knew it was getting very close to shift change, so he decided to just, set his group down and wait. And he was going to wait and kind of flush us out. He's just assuming that, hey, there's probably agents down here to work us, so we're going to wait them out. We played that game for a little while. He waited and we waited. It was getting pretty close to time to go in to the station. So my partner called me. He was south of the group. He said, these guys are still just sitting down. I think we're just going to have to go down and try to give them. I left my spot where I was hiding and I started hiking out in the open right out in the bright moonlight.

Now between, there's probably about 200 yards, 250 yards from where the group was hiding and where I was at the time. And about halfway down, there was a bend in the trail. And that was going to kind of give me a little bit of cover to where I could at least get halfway down there before they would see me. So right before I got to that bend in the trail, my partner was up on a side hill watching the group through binoculars. And my call number at the time was 259, Bravo 259. He said, hey, 259, they decided to get up and start moving all at once. He said, find somewhere to go. Well, I was totally exposed.

There were no bushes. There were nowhere to go for me to hide to try to get the group. And I started looking around and thought, well, what am I going to do now? Because it was too far for me to go back to my original hiding spot. And my partner come over the radio again. he said, hurry up, 259, said they're coming around the bin right now. They're going to see you any second. So I just laid down right there on the trail, put my back up against a little embankment,

and decided I was going to play dead. And I took out my revolver. We're carrying revolvers at the time. And I kept hold of it, and I stuck it underneath my leg in case it went bad, and they decided to jump me. I could at least still defend myself. And I was trying to time my boy. blinks, so I would blink the last time right before they seen me.

So sure enough, the smuggler walked up to me, and I stared him right in the eye without blinking, and I just stared at him right in the eye, and I didn't move. And I was using my body to block the trail because they're very superstitious, and they don't want to step over as a dead body. So I knew they wouldn't cross me. And the guy stood there, and he looked at me, and one by one, the group started to trick a up behind me and they were all staring at me and they started to talk between themselves as to whether I was dead or not. They're saying, you think he's really dead? And I heard one say,

yeah, I think he's dead. Look, his gun's missing. And they talked about what he was going to do for a minute. And meanwhile, I had to blink so bad I couldn't stand it. And my partner was giving me information over the radio and he was saying, don't bust them yet. Don't bust them yet because the last one hasn't caught up and they'll scatter everywhere if you bust them right now. And I'm thinking, well, I've got to do something pretty quick because I'm going to blink in a second. The game's going to be up. So I held out a little while longer and then finally my partner said, okay, they're all caught up. Take them now.

And I just sat right straight up and I pointed my finger at them. I said, sit down. And they all just froze. They were terrified. And by that time I had gotten back up and they all sat down. He said for this one guy in the back, there's always that one guy who just doesn't get it, you know. And he didn't sit down. So I walked over toward him and I pointed toward him again.

And I said a little more forceful. I said, you set down. And he was quiverent. And he had both his hands over his mouth. And he took one hand away and he pointed at me with his finger. And he goes, in English, he goes. In English, he goes, oh, oh, it's you. Yeah, it's me and I said that.

That guy collapsed down to the ground and he had both hands on his chest and he was gasping for air. Everybody in the group was laughing at him and making fun of him. So that was that clip. I really enjoyed it. Before we – I have a question for you, Rocky. I want to remind everybody, if you want to call into the show, feel free to do so. the phone number is 713-955-0-6-96. That's 713-955-0-6-96.

Call in and we could bring you on live to chit-chat with us. It's a great big party tonight. Rocky, thanks for being here. Now, I played that clip, and I want to ask you, you know, as a Border Patrol agent, what you did there on a scale from 1 to 10, how dangerous of an operation was that? I don't really know, but that was pretty risky. I would have survived it because had they all jumped me, you know, I would have had no choice, obviously, but to open fire on them,

but being outnumbered and down on the ground already. But as far as it just being, you know, a good ideal to do on a regular basis, it wasn't a very good ideal to do on a regular basis. I remember, you know, that was probably 22, 23 years ago. I did that, and I can remember that. like it happened yesterday. But yeah, I wouldn't recommend the people to do that on a regular basis. I'm sure you would not find a local law enforcement officer trying it out with bank robber. Yeah, absolutely. So when I hear that story, I have this image of my head, and it's exactly what you depicted there. And I just get to, whenever I think about what you,

what you did, I get this like pit in my stomach, like of nervousness. Like it just, it makes me so anxious when I hear that. But it's just a great story. And your book had tons of great stories in it. And I actually have it on audio. It's on my iTunes book thing, whatever you call it, I book. So I can listen to it while I drive. And I do because it's just a very entertaining book that actually pertains to what I'm into. Paranormal stuff, just a lot of great stories. You know, you're a Border Patrol agent. It's just, it just fits me. And I just really enjoy your book. And I wanted to ask you before we get out of here, where can people find that book that you wrote? What?

I think it was in 2015, right? Yeah, it came out in 2015, and it's available on Amazon. Okay, what was the title again? Out on foot, nightly, let's see, it's got a subtitle with it. It is Nightly Patrols and Ghostly Tales of the U.S. Border Patrol Agent. But you can find it with Out on Foot. but that's its main title. Okay.

Well, Rocky, I really appreciate it. It's available in all the different media's, candle, you know, paperback, audio. I don't think the audio had come out when we did the interview. I'm not sure that I had an audio version at that time. But it's all three medias out right now. So that's where they can get at Amazon.com. Yeah, well, I'll say what.

On iTunes, I listen to the book. And whoever narrated that book has the perfect voice for it. It's just, it just, it totally takes you into the whole setting. It's just a great listen. It's a great read. I highly recommend everybody checking it out. Rocky Elmore out on foot. Rocky, as we get out of here, I'm just going to play one more clip of yours

where you describe one of the Border Patrol agents tackling a cougar in the middle of the night. It's absolutely insane. Rocky, I really appreciate you being here. Thank you very much. Thank you. I enjoyed it. Well, you know, the difference between tragedy and comedy sometimes is nothing more than just time. Someone, when I was going through school, they told us that all comedy is based on tragedy. So they're almost interchangeable at times.

And so this happened to a friend of mine. He was a trainee, and he was working with his journeyman, his training officer. Now this guy had kind of been around the block a time or two. He was originally from Chile. He was a very colorful character. He had two Anglo-Saxon names, but he was Chilean. He had been in the Panamanian Army and had been through some pretty extensive jungle warfare training, so he could get around quietly in the woods.

And then I believe he had been in the American Army as well, and then he went into the Border Patrol. Well, one of the first nights he was out in the field riding with his trainee, they were down around Morone Valley. And at that time, Marone Valley was kind of the border between the Brownfield Station and the El Cajon Station. El Cajon worked the east side where Tchati Mountain was, and Brownfield worked the west side where Otai Mountain was. And a El Cajon scope operator had seen a group over on the Brownfield side. So we switched radio frequencies and he called up a couple of brownfield agents to see if they could work that traffic for them. So they did that.

They responded. And Dalton, the trainee, was with his journeyman and they got out and Dalton was real eager to please, a real friendly guy like that and always eager to help. So nonetheless, the plan was the scope operator told them, he said, now I've got the guide has crawled into a bush about 40 yards ahead of the group. There's about 30 in the group,

and the guide is out ahead of them. And I'll put one of you guys in on the guide, and the other guy go get the group. So Dalton volunteered to go take the guide out, and the journeyman was going to go after the group. So they split up, and as Dalton approached on the bush that the guy he was hiding in, the El Cajon scope operator kind of got a little bit weird and said, hey, just jump in on him and wrap your hands around his mouth so he can't scream out and warn the other ones.

Well, Dalton was new, and that made perfect sense to him, and he was eager to please, so he did exactly as he was told. He just jumped into that bush blind, no flashlight, no nothing, just dove into it head first, landed right on top of the guide, wrapped both his hands around where he thought the guide's head was, and then the most unbelievable screaming you ever heard took place because it was a mountain lion. The wind had blown the scent's group into the cat's face.

So he never heard Dalton come up from behind him, because Dalton was upwind from him, and he didn't catch his scent either. And he was so focused on that group that he was taken totally by surprise when Dalton jumped on top of him and wrapped his hand right around his head, just like he was told, and that cat just went ballistic on him, and managed to get loose from him, and he took one swipe at Dalton's throat. And the swipe got hung up on his vest, and that saved him. He missed his throat by about an inch.

But he took the one swipe, and then he ran away. He ran south toward the training officer. The training officer spun around when he heard the cat screaming, and Dalton screaming. He spun around and tried to draw his weapon, but he was so shaken up. He dropped his weapon on the ground, and the cat just kept running right on buying.

All right. Well, that was Rocky Elmore, and I, again, really appreciated Rocky. talking in tonight and chit-chatting with us for a little bit. Again, like I said, he was one of my favorite guests. One for the fact that he was the first published guest I had on the show that gave me the time of day. And that means a lot to me. So, Rocky, I really appreciate all the stuff that you've done for me.

And I look forward to promoting anything that you come out with. So if you're still listening, thank you very much. All right. So next up, we have Jack coming on. Now, Jack, you've been sitting on hold for, I want to say, about 45 minutes, and I'm finally getting to you. How are you doing tonight, man? I'm doing all right, man. I just wanted to give you guys some props, both you and Wes, actually.

I've been a Sasquatch Chronicles subscriber since way, way back early on. And, you know, I've been listening to your show since it came out as well. And actually, you know, I've been listening to all the guests, you know, discuss, you know, how comfortable they are with you. And, you know, and also Wes, you know, and thinking about what you guys do, you know, listening to people. And it's so similar to what I do. I don't know if I shared it during my episode, but I'm an alcohol. and drug counselor and I my job is to listen and talk to people just like yours and uh you guys definitely have a gift and you do help a lot of people and you definitely help me um you know when

i was on there and i really just want to say thanks to both of you guys absolutely man thank you for for those kind words i really appreciate it i know west is listening in and uh you know yeah thank you brother yeah thank you jack Thanks for calling in, man. Thank you for the kind of words, ma'am. Jack, where you're from? I'm a problem. I live in Wisconsin, actually.

I'm a Packer fan. We're sitting down during the playoffs. There you go. Yeah. Yeah, first time and a long time. Yeah. I'm rooting Philly, so. Yeah.

Oh, come on. Come on now, Jack. I was just turning to warm up to you. No, I appreciate it. Go, Bird. No, thank you, I'm a Seahawks fan. What's that?

You know I'm not a Seahawks fan. Yeah, well, neither am I, so. But no, thank you, man. Thank you for the kind of words. That was nice. Absolutely, dude. You know, one of the things I've heard you ask a couple people about their favorite episode,

and, you know, You already played a clip from my favorite off of your show, Tony. I have to say, Jason, you know, I touched a Bigfoot. Yeah. It was definitely my favorite. And after connecting with you, you linked me with him. And I have kept somewhat of a friendship with the latter man. He's an awesome guy.

we message back and forth quite a bit or every now and then I guess and and you know I kind of value those type of relationships you know external feedback from from people it's just amazing yeah man I um well I've had a lot of people since I started to show they asked me to connect them with other people and it's one of those things where I get a little nervous doing something like that just because you really don't know who you're dealing with. I mean, to be honest with you, even the person that you're interviewing, you don't know them personally. And so when I'm connecting to people up and stuff, I get a little nervous about that. But, you know, after talking with you before the show, during the show, and after the show,

I felt comfortable with you. And then obviously, Jason was also somebody else that was on the show as well. So I asked Jason, and he said, absolutely, you guys connected. And I know you guys became came friends after that. And it just, it made me feel good knowing that you guys, you know, found each other through my show, you know?

Yeah, yeah. Well, and, too, you know, you help me see some things that I didn't see, you know, with my situation and stuff.

And, you know, since I've talked to you, things have gotten way better for me. I've managed to, uh, set some boundaries in my life

and close some doors and, and, uh, move some things around. and I just want to say I appreciate it. Right on, man. Right on. Absolutely glad I was able to help.

And, you know, keep in touch, brother. Keep in touch. And thanks for calling. We'll definitely do it. You guys, hang in there. Right on, man. Take care. Later.

All right. Well, that was nice to hear from Jack. I should have asked him what episode he was. I can't remember exactly what episode he was. But it was one of the paranormal. It's kind of irrelevant. He's a Green Bay Packer fan, so who cares? You know what I mean?

Yeah, you know. I'm just kind of like you trash him when he's off air, Wes. I like how you trash him when he's off air. But you know what, Wes? He's still on the line. Jack, you want to say something to him? Go ahead. Hello.

Hey, Jack. Go ahead. You want to say something to Wes for going at you with the package fan? Yeah, dude. I heard that. I got you. I got your number. What are you, a Raiders fan or something?

No, no, no, Kansas City Raiders. Come on, man. Oh. Come on, man, City. You know, all the good coaches, all the good coaches matriculate from the Green Bay Packers staff, including Andy Reed. I can't not, you know what, I'd be first to call you out on that, but I can't deny that. Some of the best coaches, I mean, Andy Reed came from the Packers, and all the good coaches do come from the Packers. I will give you that. give you that. Don't take that

a mile, but I'll give you that. We are the NFL football farm. There you go. All right, Jack. Thanks again, man. I'll talk to you later. All right. So we have another guest here, Adele. Adele, thanks for holding. I really

appreciate it. You've been on hold for a while. How are you today? I'm doing all right. I'm a little nervous. I've never done that before. No need to be nervous, Adele. Come on now. It's just us hanging out. It's not... I tried making everybody feel relaxed by the title of the show, you know? After show, party. You know, we're just hanging out, chilling. So, Adele, where did you hear about the show?

From Dave. From Dave. From Dave Gross. Oh, Dave. Dave, chime in here. Who's Adele? Yeah. Adel is a friend of mine from Facebook who, like you, we met about the time. that I was going through the tragedy in my life with Ray Ann. And she was a very uplifting spiritual guide for me. And we've remained in touch. We've never met in person, her husband, Tim.

But, yeah, we're chatting away like every night, and she just uplift me. I love chatting with her. It's good to hear your voice. Yes, I was telling Tim, I said I didn't realize Dave had an accent. Yeah, Pittsburgh accent, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How are you?

Pardon? Adele, what is your favorite show for the confessions? I'm assuming you listen to the show. Yes, I have. I would have to say with Dave. Right on. You know. He's my good.

You had an interesting encounter, too, didn't you, Adele? If I could bring that up, I don't know if you're comfortable. Yeah. I had an encounter when we lived in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and it was like a spring, early summer day, and I was sitting out in the backyard in a lawn chair talking on the phone to a friend. Or I should say I was listening while she talked.

because she likes to talk. And so I was just sitting there real quiet, and we had a slab of concrete out there where we would put out popcorn and, you know, leftover food or whatever, you know, carrots and all kinds of things because we had all kinds of critters that came up. We had a pond and then a creek that ran through the backyard there, and we had wild turkeys and muskrats and turtles and squirrels and scones. and possums and groundhogs, and all of a sudden this flash of white comes running down and to the slab of concrete.

And I thought, what in the world is that? And I said to my friend, I said, Gail, there's something really weird just popped up. And all of a sudden I looked in this, I thought at first it was like an Afghan dog because it was blonde, but it had a dark face and dark hands and dark feet. I don't know whether they were black or just, but it was down on all fours, and it was eating the stuff that I had thrown out there. There was, like I said, popcorn and stale bread and all kinds of fruits and

vegetables and stuff. And it was just making these grunt sounds kind of like a pig or something that was eating. And I thought, what kind of critter is that? It kind of, you know, and then all of a sudden, she said something to me, and I answered her, and he turned around and looked at me, and it was like it was like a Disney character or something. I thought my mind was not wrapping around what I was seeing.

And he started to get up, and I'm only, well, I was at the time I was 5 foot. Now I'm 4.11. I'm shrinking in my old age. But he stood up, and he was probably three or four feet tall. And when he stood up, then I kind of. just went, you know, like, and I started to shake. Then he started going up this hill. We had not, it's not a big hill.

It was just a little mound of dirt or whatever hill. And when he got up to the top, because I wasn't sure what I was looking at, and I thought, you know, it was like I was on a drug or something. You know, I just, it's like my mind was not comprehending what I was seeing. and when I stood up, he dropped down on all fours and bolted out of sight like a roadrunner. I mean, I've never seen anything move so fast. And there's a little grove of trees that was off to the left-hand side of our property, and that's where he went, where the wild turkeys always were.

And after he left, I quickly ran into the house. house because I didn't have a cell phone back then, so I wanted to get my camera in case this thing came back. And then I thought to myself, when I came back, outside, I took pictures of, you know, where everything was, where the bird bath was, and where, you know, he was, and a picture of the lawn chair where I was sitting. And then I started shaking really bad, and I got scared because I thought, it didn't occur to me that it was a Sasquatch until I moved out to where I'm at now in Zeeland, Michigan.

And so I went back into the house after I took the pictures, and we had a screened-in porch area, and we normally leave everything unlocked. Well, I had to leave the screen door unlocked because my husband wasn't home, but I went in the house, and I locked everything. I was just literally shaking. I shook for over an hour. And by the time he got home, I was still shaking. And I had gardens out in the backyard, rock gardens where I planted flowers. And then I had a vegetable garden, too.

And I was wondering why all my vegetables were being taken. And I figured it was maybe a little. or something, but now I'm wondering. And he often wondered why I wouldn't go outside, you know, and I would shake and get upset. And if he didn't go outside, I wouldn't go outside. And he thought that was unusual because I always would, like, from the morning until night, I was outside working in the yard.

And, in fact, it would get dark sometimes. and he'd come out and say, are you going to come in? You know, because we had skunks that were out there. And there was one night I was running through the yard to get into the house. And I was, I caught up the night I danced with the skunks because they were brushing by my legs as I was trying to get into the house. But anyway, then when we moved out here to Zeeland, we had footprints around our, house of a Sasquatch. But by the time I noticed the sun had melted them, so they're kind of distorted a little bit.

But we have a grape arbor in the backyard, so we figured that that's probably what they were coming. I mean, I don't have any spectacular story like everybody else, but that's the encounter that I had. Adele, I want to tell you this. I just got a text message from my brother who just said to me, this is a really good story. So you may not think your story is very spectacular, but my brother, who's listening at home, just said that he thought your story was fantastic.

And I was just going to say to you, Adele, if you wouldn't mind, I would love to connect with you another time and actually record a formal interview with you. to talk about what you saw. Would you be willing to do that? Sure. Yeah. Awesome.

And I wanted to make a comment. I was scared. I was literally started to shake when David told me to call in and my hands got all sweaty and I'm starting to shake. And it just kind of like I'm reliving that whole situation all over again. And, you know, I never did see it again. because shortly thereafter, we didn't realize that the man that had lived in the trailer that we had lived in did not vent the dryer outside.

He vented it under the house, even though there was the flap outside of the house. He still vented it under the house, and so black mold grew into our home, and we had to move from that area. But I can give you the address where it is if you want to Google. place, but our house is not there anymore. But I did want to make a comment about the Ouija board. I'm not going to say who the person is, but someone very close to me was messing around with a Ouija board, and she became a witch.

She had familiars. She would talk to the cat, and the cat would talk to her and tell her where her husband was and what he was buying from the store. and then she would sit there and tell me what the cat said. And when her husband came home, sure enough, because they lived up in the mountains, he had exactly everything in the bag that the cat said that he had. And she has, I don't know whether she still has it or not, but she did have a satanic Bible from Anton LeVay.

She was into it very heavily or had anything. to do with her because I'd rather spend my time with Bible by Jesus Christ than one from from Satan so well Adele I really appreciate you uh checking in with us Dave what were you gonna say I was just gonna say I think that's the first time you ever told that story to anybody like live Adele um the story about meeting the Sasquatch you mean yeah I mean I yeah I mean I yeah You were struggling with that, so I'm very proud of you for calling in getting that off your chest. You'll feel a release now. It brings it up again, but you get a release.

It's like about time. Adele, I would encourage you to friend request me on Facebook so we can connect, and I would love to schedule a time to do an interview with you for the show so that everybody can hear it, okay? Okay, well, I'm already on Pennsylvania, or no. Pennsylvania Saskatch Research? Yes, are, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Great. I'll look you up then. You okayed me. Great. Then I will go back and I'll find you and we will connect and we'll schedule something out, okay? Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you for calling Adele.

Keep listening. I will. Thank you. All right. Bye-bye. Okay. Bye-bye. Okay, bye.

Well, I'm glad you called in, Tony. That was great. Yeah, me too. Absolutely. You need to get done off the test. She's been talking to me about it, and I'm very glad she did. So live on your show. Right?

So I wasn't sure if we'd have any new encounter stories tonight, but we definitely had one, which is great. So, you know, since she hit on some certain topics here, I thought it would be, you know, proper to bring in the next audio clip here, which is Abe. And Abe was episode, oh, I can't remember. of my first episodes. Probably like within the first 10. And he actually had an encounter with a witch doctor when he was like two years old, which shaped the rest of his life and his spiritual journey. And so I thought his show was absolutely fascinating.

He had tons of different things he's experienced throughout his life. But it all started when he was two years old. And he had this encounter with a witch doctor. And I thought we'd play tonight because it's one of my favorite episodes. When I was a two years old, two years old, my oldest brother, which was four years old at the time, they said he was going to die. All the doctors said he had only a couple of months to live, and they was trying to seek help for him, but they couldn't get the help from the doctors in the U.S.

So they contacted this medicine woman from Mexico, and she said she could help him out spiritually to help them live longer or not to die, but they had to work a deal. And the deal was that once she helped him out, that I had to go stay with her for six months. So that's exactly what happened. I was there that day that she helped up my brother. The problem with my brother is he was hallucinating a lot. And as if he was not all up there mentally, he would see snakes, spiders. And I remember what she did when she carried him.

she lived in a in a hut and the floor was made out of a dirt she had a fire in there and she

grabbed an egg and she started doing the sign of the cross on him and my brother had a limp on his leg

and his arm was messed up so she started doing and praying for him spiritually and when she cracked the egg

a little bird came out with a broken wing and a broken leg but my brother became better. And also the hallucinations that was happening to him stopped. So my brother was better. And I stayed there. I stayed there for for six months with this medicine woman. Some people tell me, well, how do you remember this? I have a good memory. I remember being with her as she was

doing the works that she would do. She was a natural healer with her hands. As the fire was lit, as the people will come for help at nighttime. I could actually see the spirits that were reflecting the people. As she was open them out spiritually, she would look at me, and she would ask me in Spanish if I could see anything, and I would see the, I call them unclean spirits or demonic spirits or the shadow things. I will see them when they will leave the person's body. And you can see them in the glare of the shadow of the fire, where the fire is lit. You could see the unclean spirits, the reflective people leave the room, you know, where she's

opened them out spiritually. And then, you know, there's times that I was there was here where she would stick her hands in the person's stomach and she would pull out a barbed wire or when a person said and she pulled out a scorpion out of the head. But the people became better. You know, she was a natural, a spiritual medicine woman. I remember going to the market with her and make her. in Mexico and I was, you know, it was only two years old. And I was going around her and I would see all the people run away from her, you know. She was old, an old woman.

Supposedly, she fought in the war of Pancho Villa. She was that old of a medicine woman. And I could see all the people just moving away from her, like running away from her. Like they didn't want to make contact with her. And she wore a pastor over her right eye. And as she wore the pastor with the right eye, she walked with a limp because she didn't want to she had a bullet in her hip. And she wore a white, long dress.

And she had the bullets from back in the day around her. But the people ran away from her, and she looked at me, and she said, I remember this. She said, how come everybody's afraid of me, but you're not? And I said, I love you, you know. And then she looked at me. She picked up her patch off her eye, and I could see the hole. And she said, are you afraid of me now? And I said, no, I love you.

That's what I told her. And it's like, I believe at that point in time, you know, I got used to being around her that, you know, she would make me corn tortillas with the refri-bri-bri-bans. And I would see all this wondrous, miraculous work she would do as a medicine woman. All the people that would come seeking for help, you know. Some were being spiritually attacked, and she would say the names of the people that would cause a harm,

or she would predict a prediction of something that is going to happen, to be careful and she will give the people a certain time a certain day she was that accurate of a person then i remember the day of when my mother came i was they had no restroom they had the outdoor restrooms and i was in the restroom you know and i had already forgotten about my mother because i've been there for so long and i remember seeing her and i heard my name and i turned and it was certain she started crying and it's like i couldn't recognize her at first and then she came to me it's me it's me or your mom, you know, and I'm looking at her. And I go to the medicine woman and a hugger because I have been with her.

She's been taking care of me. But then that's the day that she came and picked me up and brought me back to the States. So that is Abe. And I really enjoyed talking with him because he had so many life experiences with the paranormal. He shared so many stories. And I really wish I could remember what episode he was, right? I can't remember. I think the show was called a witch doctor's request.

That's what it was called a witch doctor's request. So if you want to hear that whole interview, go ahead and check out that show. I believe it's about an hour and a half interview of pure awesomeness. And one of the things I asked him during that interview shortly after that clip ended was he said that she had a bullet in her leg from the war. And I asked him curiously, I said, you know, she's helping all these other people. Why doesn't she take the bullet out of her leg? And he kind of chuckling, he's like, I don't know. He doesn't know, but it was in there.

So I just found that interesting. So that was Aves. And next up, I want to bring on Tim Renner. Now, Tim Renner, he was on the show earlier, and he's talking about Big Foot in Pennsylvania, the book he had come out with. And he has just recently come out of the book. Tim, how are you?

Doing good. How are you? I'm doing good, man. Thanks for hanging in there with me. I'm starting to lose my voice, actually, tonight now. but this is a great time. I'm enjoying doing a live show. So this book that you just came out with, what's the title of it?

It's Bigfoot West Coast Wildman. It's kind of a continuation of the Bigfoot Pennsylvania thing. It's just I moved from Pennsylvania to the West Coast and found articles from out there. Gotcha. Okay. I mean, I didn't literally move. I moved my research. I'm still in Pennsylvania.

Yeah, I hope so because I want to hang out with you some time. We can't lose the good ones here in Pennsylvania. We need you to stick around. The West Coast has enough people. So you came out of this book not too long ago. How long ago was it? A couple weeks, I'd say, right? Maybe last week it was published.

Yeah, very new. I know that you were just recently on Sasquatch Chronicles. Wes put out that show just recently. So, you know, don't mind him. He's just hanging in the background. you're talking to me now. What's up, Tim? How are you, man?

How's it going, West? It's going pretty good. It's going pretty good, brother. Sorry, Tony. No, I had to cut in. We're going to claim Tim as a West Coast, a big foot guy. You guys don't get them.

We definitely get them out here, so. I toured out there with my band, and I almost stayed. My wife and I had just bought a house. in in york county and uh my band was touring out there and it was before the dot com crash and there was so much money coming in out there uh ridiculous amount of money that and some guy offered us a place to stay in uh portland he said like you know just just stay here and make music and we almost stayed but we had just bought a house i remember we literally were had to make a decision it was five o'clock in the morning we had to leave for the airport we were looking at each other

She's like, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I said, well, we've got to make a call because, like, we've got to catch a plane and we've got to leave now for catching the plane. And she's like, oh, I guess we'll just go back. No, you should have stayed. Yeah, you would have been in West's backyard. He's not too far from Portland. You guys would have been hanging out all the time.

So, hey, Tim, so your new book that came out, do you got any stories that you enjoyed writing more than others? I mean, obviously you're putting out the whole book so you like the book in itself and in its entirety. But what was one of your favorite, you know, stories that you uncovered in the process of researching and writing this book? Yeah. These books, these compilates, I mean, they're really more compilations. My writing is in it because I do commentary on the articles, and I do an introduction, of course. But most of, you know, the accounts are taken directly from these old newspaper articles. So it's usually like I'll find one or two that really fire me up.

The dead man's whole story, which I read on Sasquatch Chronicles, is probably my favorite. That's the one where they found a bunch of dead bodies, and they didn't know what was doing it. Later in the year, I think it was 18, it was either 1880 or 1888. I don't have the paper in front of me right now, but later in the year, a guy tracks, or 200s going to the howl, and they tracked a beast down, they shoot it, they killed it, then they describe it in great detail in the article. I mean, like every little detail of the thing, and then they go into the cave where it was headed for. and they find a bunch of human bones and stuff. And they figured that whatever this thing was was killing people there. Jeez, that's got to be terrifying.

That's got to be terrifying. Oh, my gosh. So I know when you told me that you wrote the Pennsylvania book that you were originally planning on writing, were you planning on writing one book for the whole country, and you found out that that was impossible because there's so many stories, so how it worked out? Yeah, yeah, I found so many for Pennsylvania.

I just start like, like, okay, I have a book for Pennsylvania. I'm going to, it'll probably be regional for the rest of the country. Like, you know, I had it, West Coast with California, Oregon, and Washington State. I'll probably do East Coast next and just do like Maryland, New Jersey, New York. I don't know. I'll have to figure out who has, you know, when there's enough to make a book. You know, I'll put one out. But they'll probably be regional.

But I'm going to do all I can. And then whenever I finish one night, inevitably I'll find more for that area after I've already finished it. So I'll probably have one book at the end, assuming I'll finish all these. I'll finish the whole country. I'll do one book at the end with all the leftovers and stuff I found since the publishing them. That sounds awesome. I mean, having a book with just the leftovers, I imagine there's probably plenty of leftover stories to include into a book. And, you know, the whole country in itself, I mean, it's kind of like Pennsylvania.

I mean, I think, when I think about the United States, you know, and Canada and all that, but, you know, just our country in itself, it's really a lot of sightings all over the place. I mean, there really isn't one area that doesn't really have sightings. I mean, I guess the Midwest doesn't necessarily have a ton, but there are still sightings in the Midwest. But, you know, it's the same thing with Pennsylvania. I just had a guy recently in Maryland. He posted a picture actually on Sasquatch Chronicles, a fan page. and he posted in some other groups. He, I believe a hunter found a footprint in Maryland.

And this thing was huge. You see the toes and everything. Oh, I saw that picture. Yeah. I saw that picture. I connected with him and I was talking to him about it. And he said that, you know, he didn't find it. A hunter found it.

And I think he said a fishing game guy took him to the location of the print to show him where was that. Because I guess he does a little bit of investigating in Maryland. and since he's found this print, he is going to be investigating that area more often because I guess there was a recent sighting in that area as well. And that's why in the pictures that he posted, one was with a flashlight at night and one was during a daytime

because one was taken by a hunter and the other one was taken by him. But those prints were pretty fascinating. Wouldn't you think? Yeah. Oh, yeah. They were interesting. Yeah.

Some people throw in shade, but you can't put anything up. online without somebody throwing shade on it. Yeah, I mean, it, it, all mine's like the Wild Wild West, man. Like, you can't, it's not meant for the weary. Yeah. I mean, if you're going to throw stuff up. I have some,

I have some pictures that, that I have not put up. I was hiking one day in a, it's a nature preserve just south of me. It's actually in Northern Maryland, but it's, it's, I'm in southern Pennsylvania, so it's not too far. I was alone. And I had read an account on the BFRO website from this nature preserves.

So I'd never been there. So I went one day. And I hike, and I hike alone. I'm probably alone in the woods three days a week hiking. So I'm pretty familiar with just the natural sounds and so forth of the area around here. I usually don't get creeped out. There's very few times that I'll be, you know, hiking or something. I'll get like a weird creepy feeling.

And I'm in this nature preserve and I get this really creaked out feeling. feeling like I'm by myself. I'm like, this is weird. Like I, for some reason, I'm just totally creeped out. So I just started taking shots with my cell phone, just all around me, just taking pictures, taking pictures, taking pictures. I followed this trail up. It leads into an abandoned cemetery in the middle of the woods. Creepiest thing about this was there were stuffed animals placed at the borders of the cemetery just inside the tree line. So weird, just like these just kids stuffed animals just laying there out in the middle of the woods. don't know why.

Right on the border of the cemetery. And I'm like, wow, that's weird. So I take pictures of this stuff to animals. I get home and I was like, oh, I'm just kind of like looking through the pictures. And there's this one. And I actually see my wife is like the biggest skeptic in the world. She thinks, you know, we're all crazy for being into this stuff.

And I find this one, there's something in this picture. And I took several pictures. You can see it. There's a, the tree has a red blaze on it in the foreground. So you can, for the trail. So you can see it's the, the same, you know, it's the same tree in the foreground. It's only in, it's figured only in one of the pictures. And it's definitely like, like, I showed my wife and she's like, somebody was following

you. She specifically said, like, somebody. She's like, that's, that's something, you know, like, somebody. I said, I don't, you know, I didn't see anybody out there. I didn't know what it was, but I can't show, I can't put that picture online because people just be like, oh, paradolia, there's nothing. You know what I mean? Yeah. You know, because it's not, it's not definite. It's not, but it's, it's just something creepy. And the only thing I could say is, like, I felt, creeped out. I found this thing. And it's the same thing with the cover of my first book. Whatever that was that was on the back of the cover that I photographed. And I didn't even claim it to be anything. I just said, like, this is a picture I took. It shows a weird thing. I don't know

what it is. And people, like, every time I put that up on, even in my own groups and stuff online, people are like, ah, it's nothing. You know, and then I tried to defend it. Like, I never said it was anything. Oh, you're hitting defensive. Like, no, I'm just telling you. So you can't win putting stuff up online. Yeah, no, absolutely. I learned that as soon as I started the YouTube channel for PSR when I put videos up and stuff. I mean, yeah, you have people knocking you and things like that. And I would go through every comment and I would reply. You know, if it's a positive comment, I would be nice. And if it's a negative comment, I'd get snarky back. And I was like, this is ridiculous. I can't comment back to everybody because I felt like I was being rude,

not commenting back to everybody. So now, like, when people leave comments on the, on the, YouTube channel. I go through it every once in a while that's just try to comment back to people, but you just can't keep up with it. And if you try to, it's going to drive you mad because there's going to be a bunch of naysayers out there with whatever anything you put out there. I mean, you could just, you could say a rose is red and they're like, no, it's purple, you know? Right. Yeah. Yeah. This is what it is. But so as far as your book goes, how much feedback have you gotten within the last week? Have you gotten a lot of feedback from people that, you know, are enjoying it and stuff? Yeah, I mean, it's number one in the Unexplained Mysteries on Amazon right now, so people dig it.

That's awesome. Yeah, so it's a good thing. I mean, I'm writing other books. I'm not just doing these, but obviously the universe has told me keep doing these Wildman books. I will continue. And like I said, hopefully I'll get the whole country then. Yeah, you know, I'll tell you what. you're a great writer. You really are. You're a very good writer. And I can say that confidently because my wife read your book and my wife before the baby, now she can't. But before the baby, she was reading over 100 books a year. She reads a lot. She knows literature. And when she read your book, it was one of the few books of people who are self-published that she said to me, I like his writing style. He's a good author. So, I mean, anybody who's listening, definitely check out Tim's book because it's awesome. And Tim has a lot of

good insight too i mean tim i remember you and i were talking one of the first times we talked and you brought up the whole idea of uh rock throwing maybe not necessarily being human or bigfoot because of the idea of poltergeist now i know people are probably you pissed off because i'm suggesting that rock throwing might not be bigfoot i'm not saying it's always not bigfoot but i'm saying there's always there could be a possibility of poltergeist activity in the woods as well and uh i found that very interesting because i never thought about that if you look at at poltergeist accounts and a lot of times inside people's houses, they'll have rocks thrown at them. They'll have screams in their houses. They'll have horrible smells in their houses.

Well, when people are out in the woods and they don't see a creature, but they get rocks thrown at them and they smell, horrible smell. And, you know, even in the house of people say they pick up the rocks and they're warm. And that'll come up in big foot accounts, too. They'll say, at a rock thrown at them, they touched it and it was still warm when they picked it up. I'm not saying that it's not Bigfoot or it is a polter guy doing these things. I'm just saying there's when there's that much in common, we have to start like at least saying like, okay, there's a lot in common between these two things. They're both weird things. Let's look at them, you know, both in that kind of light, you know? Absolutely, absolutely. I couldn't agree more because,

you know, because I'm the kind of person when you bring something to my attention and it makes sense, I'll go with it. Let's talk about it. Let's think about it. And when you said that to me, I remember I was sitting there in my car or in my truck and my jaw dropped. I was like, I'd never thought about that. And it was a great point, man. It was a great point. And anybody who's looking to get a great book, actually I would recommend getting two great books. His newest one and the one from before Pennsylvania, or Bigfoot in Pennsylvania.

Tim, before we get going here, where can people find your book on Amazon, I'm assuming? It sounds great. Amazon's very fair with their split for independent authors. I have no problem with people getting from Amazon. People are very kind. A lot of times will say, oh, you know, I'll get them from you. That's fine. I'm happy, you know, if you only want to come direct.

But, you know, the split on Amazon is very fair. And I have no problem with if people want to get them from Amazon. Awesome. And one more time. What's the name of the book again? Bigfoot West Coast Wild Men. Awesome, man. Tim, I really appreciate you coming on tonight and spend some time with us.

Hey, you got a second? Yeah, absolutely. Go ahead. So that last clip you played, the guy with the witch doctor. Yes. First of all, that was awesome. I must not have caught that one. That was really cool.

The other thing I'm very into is traditional folk stories, traditional folk music, folklore, etc. Like that, I collect a lot of that stuff. The idea of being taken to a wizard or a magic user or witch doctor or something, that's a very, very traditional idea where the, like, In Scotland, they have these gruagok tales. They call them. The gruagoks are these wizards that were often associated with like the faith folk and stuff. And that's a very, very traditional idea, the idea that, okay, give me your son. And usually in those tales, it's for one year and one day.

But it's a specific amount of time. So when he said that she wanted his payment to take him for six months, that is amazing. And it's a totally traditional idea. That comes from, yeah, it's seen in folklore all over the place. but as soon as that did like my folklore radar, my folklore spidey in office, because I was like, man, that is awesome. That's incredible. That's incredible.

I love hearing the validation at times when you share somebody's story. And, of course, I mean, when somebody says that they were given to a medicine woman or a witch doctor, whatever she was for, I think you said six months or something like that, I mean, at two years old, I mean, people, I'm sure there's people are like, yeah, right. nobody would but it's great to hear when somebody else can come in and say actually there is validation to that oh yeah that's great and i have wonder if like because he said basically his mom took him back and went to america my question for him would be you know was it intended really for going to be for a year where you intended to be with her for a year and your mom took you back you know before that year was up or or

what the case was because like i said in the in the scottish tales it's usually one year and one day. It's a very specific amount of time. But, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if other cultures, you know, with six months or whatever, but still very, very interesting. Found all the world. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I've definitely encouraged people to check out that show. A witch doctor's request is what it's called. And you know what? I want to say it was episode 13, episode 13, which doctor's request, I believe. I'm going to go back and check it out. Yeah, check it out. It was a great, he was a great guy to talk to. I found him.

I forget how I found him, but him and I talked before I even started the show. And I had wanted to talk to him for a long time on the show. And I got a chance to do it. It was just, it was great. So, yeah, I definitely recommend people checking that out. Awesome. Well, congratulations, man. Real happy for it.

We started about the same time. And it's been awesome to see, you know, I started Strange Familiar, I think a little bit after you started confessional. Because I'm not quite out of a year yet. I think next month will be a year for Strange Familiar. But I remember we were both talking when we were starting, like, hey, I'm going to start a podcast. It's just been awesome to watch it grow and see what you're doing. So congratulations. Thanks, man.

I really appreciate it. And everybody, check out his podcast, Strange Familiar. It's awesome. Tim, thanks for being here. I really appreciate it, man. Anytime. All right. So that was Tim Renner.

And again, I'd like to just say thanks to Tim for coming on. I always enjoy talking to him. this is for me this is just fun i mean i just i'm sitting here i'm taking calls and talking to friends and people get to enjoy the conversation hopefully people are enjoying the conversation uh but this is just a great time i'm having a good time just celebrating the one year show of uh the confessionals and like i said on the intro to this week's show i honestly didn't even know if the show is going to last eight weeks i mean really i mean like i had a friend uh his name's Phil.

And Phil has a podcast. I just had him on my show for episode 50. He shared some haunting stories out of Massachusetts. Well, he's been podcasting for a long time. And he told me when I first started, he said, if you can get through your first eight weeks, you're golden. He said the first eight weeks are the hardest weeks to get through. And so when I started the show and I started seeing how things were going, I really wasn't

sure if I'd make it through eight weeks. And I finally made it through the eight weeks. And I hit about the six-month mark, and I'm looking, it's about the summertime, June, July, August, and I'm looking at the numbers. And I'm like, well, you know, maybe this is as good as it's going to get. You know, the show scene in the plateau. And I'm fine with that, you know, I'm fine with whatever happens. And I just thought, okay, well, maybe we're reached our peak. And well, that wasn't the case because in the fall, we exploded.

And we've been really carrying momentum. And, you know, speaking of Phil, the guy who was on the guy who was on the fall. the show. Let's play a clip of his. He shares some haunting stories on Massachusetts. Some of them are third party, but this one here is actually something that happened to him while him and his friends were, well, I don't think he was getting high. He said his friends were getting high, but it's a very interesting story. So let's take a listen. Yeah, I believe it was Spice was one of the things that one of the guys ripped off someone else's face, or he could have been on bath salts, one of the other, either way. So it was like,

basically what this stuff is is popery essentially okay so i please do not go out there and smoke this stuff anyway so it's basically like it's pitched as medical um synthetic marijuana and it's not it's potpore so basically um they were they were like into it because it was cheaper than weed and everything so i was like okay yeah whatever i was like i'm not doing that but you know you guys can you know do whatever you want if you want to smoke popery like go for it I don't think it's a good idea, but, you know, go ahead. So anyway, I'm hanging out with them, you know, just hanging out. You know, everything seems pretty cool.

They start smoking this stuff, and I'm like, okay. So I'm just hanging out with them. Everything seems, appears to be pretty normal for the most part. Then, actually, I should give these people fake names. Okay, so I'm going to call the first guy Jack. so Jack is he starts

pulling on I don't want to make another name we'll name Tony how does that sound perfect it's a good name

good strong name actually my brother's name is Jack so there you go oh I totally forgot that

all right so Jack starts pulling at Tony's arm like really weird like best way I could describe it

like he looked gone like he looked like he was just like he was just like either blitzed out of his mind or like something was up with him. So he was acting weird. And so he was just like pulling at his arm, like pulling at his arm, pulling at his arm.

And I'm like, okay, I'm like, all right, I'm going to go get a drink. And so like, I leave the room and I'm like, I was weird. I was like, I don't know what's going on between those two guys. But like, I don't know. Literally, dude, I'm gone, I don't know, five minutes. I get a drink. I drink it in the kitchen. I hear, like, what sounds like things being thrown across the room, I hear, like, someone yelling out in pain sort of kind of thing.

And so I'm hearing all this, like, commotion. So I'm thinking, in my head, I'm like, I was like, oh, shit, they're like, these two guys are, they're going to, they're getting Jack and Tony are going to get in a fight here. You know what I mean? So, like, okay, so I come back into the room and I, wow, okay. So I walk into the room in front of me is Jack. And no, he's actually okay. So Jack was like to the left. So I walk into my room straight ahead of me is this guy Tony.

And he is face down on the bed, like knees on the ground, face down on the bed, not moving, not responsive. I called out his name several times. Nothing. Didn't move. Didn't acknowledge me. Nothing. And so he's just sitting there. So, I mean, that's kind of scary in itself, but then I look over to my left on the far side of the room, and there's Jack.

And he's got blood on his face. And I'm like, what the F? I was like, at this point, I'm like, what is going on? Like literally, this is what I said it like seven times. Like, what the F is going on? And I'm calling out to him like, Jack, what is like? And I'm calling out to him like, Jack, what is like? And he's looking at me like sadistic like.

And he looks at me and he just says one word. And he says, oops. And I was just like, and at this point he's not talking in normal jack voice. He's talking in some sort of raspy, best way I can describe it, snake-like type voice. And so he's like, and he's so disturbing. So he's rubbing the blood that's on his forehead like all over his face and just being like, oops, oops, oops. Dude, Tony, man, this is crazy. So I'm standing there and I'm like, Jack, it's like, and he gets up and starts walking towards me.

I was like, I was like, Jack, please stop. I was like, I was like, what is going on? I was like, at this point in my head, I'm thinking, oh shit, they, they, they, they, they, they, We're doing this stupid, like, spice stuff. They let their minds get, like, this is what I think, what happened. They let their minds get so weak that something that was obviously attached to him was able to take over, basically, what happened. And so he, dude, he starts walking towards me. Remember, blood on his face, like, stammering towards me, as if, like, it's the first time he's ever walked before.

So, like, stammering towards me. and I just keep on backing up. So at this point, I'm not in the entrance of the room anymore. I'm, like, backed up into the living room. I backed up around the corner into the kitchen, and I'm, like, standing there. I keep on backing, I'm like, stop, stop, please stop. And all of a sudden, faster than anything I've ever seen in my life, he just literally jumps at me, like, bolts at me.

And, like, he's, like, trying to, like, push me onto the ground. And so like literally midair, as we're like suspended in the air, somehow by the grace of God, that's what I, it has to be God because it wasn't me because I'm not strong enough. So he comes at me and I, but like in air and I somehow turn his body. He was on top, you know, coming at me. So he's like on top of me basically as we're going through the air. So I somehow basically flip him around and so he landed on the ground first and not me. So, like, he landed on the ground. I landed, like, on my knees.

And then, like, he's just, boom, on the ground. And so at that moment, I'm like, he, like, stopped moving. He didn't get up. Like, he was breathing, but he was, like, hissing. He was, like, fucking hissing at me. Sorry to swear, but he was hissing at me. So, but he was kind of, like, incapacitated at that point. Okay, so I'm like, okay.

So I got up, and I'm like, I got to check on Tony. I got to see if he's okay so like I get up I leave him he's not moving I'm like good hopefully he stays that way so then I go around the corner go back into the room

I'm like Tony Tony Tony and it doesn't respond to me but as soon as I touched him like touched his shoulder he woke up immediately and he was like dazed and confused

he was like he's like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa what happened what happened and like so I'm like at this point I'm freaked out and so I'm like dude, we need to call my, we need to call my uncle, we need to get him over here, this kid's possessed.

And like, I told him like four times in a row. And he was like, the last thing I remember, I was just sitting there. That's the last thing I remember. I don't remember anything else. And so I go back out into the kitchen where Jack's laying still. And he's still making like hissing noises. And now Tony can hear him as well. And so he's like looking at me like, like what is going on like WTF you know what I mean and so he you know and so then I end up calling my dad because at this point my dad lived in me and he I was like dad you need to get home now and he's like what are you talking about

I was like no I was like I told the whole situation he's like he's like are you serious I was like dad this is like exorcist level stuff here like you need to get here now because I don't know like if this is safe or not you know what I mean so I my dad comes home and at this point he's like he's starting to like come back to normal sort of but he's still

sort of like in it so like he's like in the bathroom because we're like you know like you know clean clean yourself up like get you know and he drank he must have drank like seven gallons of water I've never seen someone drink so much water in my life but as he's like cleaning himself off

he he's like he starts like talking to himself in the mirror he's like oh I'm I'm strong I'm the one that's in control now. You're weak. Like all this like weird stuff. Stuff I did not want to hear. And I'm like, oh my God.

I was like, what is going on? So my uncle eventually like comes and we pray over him and stuff. But he still had lingering effects. I remember that night I was on edge because like we were roommates. So we had the, we slept in the same room at that time. And so he, you know, he was. making hiss and noises, you know, throughout the night and stuff like that. All right.

So that was Phil Anderson, an old college friend of mine. He was on the show a few weeks ago sharing that story. And I had a lot of fun talking with Phil, just catching up to him old times' sake and things like that. But I had no idea. He had those kind of stories to share. I was on Phil's show. He had two different shows. The first one I was on when I first started podcasting, it was called The Phil and Alex

show and you can check that out actually i posted that on the website the confessional's podcast dot com and you can check that out underneath his episode which is episode 50 i also posted a podcast that i did with them underneath their new podcast called the sneeling and no actually i say the snealing and deal in podcast s n-e-a-l-l-in the sneeling and dealin podcast both podcasts are comedy podcasts and they brought me on to make things a little bit of bit more up tense and tight because we talked a little bit more about serious stuff like bigfoot nephalum floods and all that fun stuff so uh it was a great time on their show though uh they treated with a lot of respect check out those shows uh some good listening content for your listening

pleasure and uh next up here i want to bring on a good friend of the show and uh he goes back with west and saskwatch chronicles uh we have duke duke duke how you doing man Doing good. Big Sky, howdy, you, everybody in the studio online here and listening in. Right on, man. So you're out there in Montana and stuff. How's the weather right now? Well, this will probably get me lots of hate mail. It's about 48 degrees in melting here. What? That's the exact opposite of what I was thinking. You were going to say. No, we actually had about a week, a really beautiful weather here. It's been. between the low 30s and mid-40s for about the last week.

Wow. You know, this past week here in PA was super cold. I mean, I think it was probably like 10 degrees out. I mean, it was biting outside. And, you know, it's one of those days where, even though you're in a track of trailer, it still doesn't really heat up all that great. So I'm a little envious of you. Well, I've gotten lots of hate mail from friends in Missouri and Indiana and stuff.

And, you know, I'll talk to them every couple of things. days and hey man what's going on over there i'm working in my garage at 15 degrees freeze my butt off what's going on out there uh it's 40 and i'm standing outside i hate you you you suck i'm not going to complain about the weather but i didn't order it you know it's not like officially my my problem that i caused it or something right but you know you usually expect if you're at a half mile altitude and uh i'm pretty close to the canadian border that you're going to have pretty cold weather in January. So, you know, every day above 10 degrees we get, I'm taking it and loving it.

Global warming. It's global warming. No, we just, we have really mild winters here in the Bitterroot Valley. Generally, the north and south of us, they're getting anywhere between 10 and 20 degrees colder every day than what we get here. It's just the way the air flows in from the Pacific through the Malmarie. ranges, and we happen to be in one of the lucky valleys that tends to get more of the Pacific flow and less of the Arctic vortex from up north that comes down in the central part of the country. So we don't get all of that big subarctic cold air here around the other side of the mountain ranges from it.

Geez, I didn't know that. I had no clue. So, Duke, I wanted to ask you this question here because, you know, I'm new to the online Bigfoot community and stuff, and I remember seeing you around before I knew you were Duke. Had you get started in the whole Bigfoot thing, when did Duke get into this topic? Well, let's see. I mean, honestly, 1974, being actually involved in the community, I didn't start doing anything with that until just a few years ago, because for the most part, until it really got going, so hard to get information and communicate with people is really difficult to

do much in the way a network or anything. And now, especially nowadays, that there's all these different Bigfoot groups on face. There's a lot more information out there, and there's a lot more people of network with, so it's worth doing at this point. And I'm one of those people that like that.

I'm just more interested in documenting what I can figure out about it, and then share information with people as I figure it out. 72, and I was 10 years old. I had my second one, 2677. I'm guessing I was like 15, 16 years old. And then just had another class A,

a couple years ago, and there was one sitting too close to my campsite, and I caught him. He wasn't expecting me to catch him where he was at, and he was trying to pretend to be a tree stump, and it didn't work very well. I knew what he was, so. How big was it? He wasn't very big.

He was a sentinel. He was a youngster. He was sitting with his knees up in front of him on his butt, pretending to be a tree stump, and he was still about four feet high. So he was good size. He was bigger than a human was. He wasn't.

a full-grown adult or anything. Gotcha. Okay. Well, you know, Duke, one of the things that I remember hearing, I think the first time I ever heard you on audio was with Wes, and I believe you guys were talking about mountain giants. And I remember listening to that and being fascinated.

And I'm like, I got to talk to this guy. And here you are. So the mountain giant's idea. Have you actually taken reports from people that have seen these things, or were they stories that were told to you from other people? Let me see. Direct reports, I have not gotten one yet that I can absolutely positively attribute to a mountain giant. I got an indirect report from one of my local research guys that ran into a logger, just had read. random. They were standing on front of Walmart, both of them, each one of them was waiting for

their ride to come to come up. And while they were having to say, he started talking to and he said, oh, you believe that? And he said, well, yeah, I got chased by to him, but he's like, oh, really? You know, I've seen a bunch of those during the time that I was up in the bitter route. You know, I just got retired here a few years ago. So I'm out, da-da-da-da-da. And he said, you know, those worst things than Bigfoot up there. Oh, really? Well, like what? So then he told him this story how their crew had gotten a new parcel to go work on, and they had gone up there at the end of the week. They were going to get, they made a road in with the cat, and they had a couple of trucks and a bunch of equipment sitting up there waiting for them to show up again

on Monday and start work. It got pretty well smushed. And I mean, like, the trucks were literally on the ground, on the frames, crushed, pops were crushed, you know. And there was no, the only way you could have done is with heavy, anything that drove up there would have left the track, walking on it, let the track. So it wasn't equipment that did it. But what else could do that? you know so and again uh west had one on his show where there was a guy was up in northern montana and um there was somebody that was watching this logging crew because they thought somebody was messing with them and they had the same sort of problems up there were something i think it was a put a bulldozer or something and much that thing so you know you get these weird accounts and then there was a

paranormal group here locally that didn't know what to do with this strange account they had passed it along to Rich Soul who passed it along to me. And this is over at the junction of where the bitter-root mountains are on north-south, meet the east-west, blue mountain range. And people that live over there, a bunch of them reported this guy was inside of his house watching TV, and he started hearing these heavy thugs. And like, what the hell is it? It was shaking the ground.

You could hear it inside of his house. So he went out on the porch and looked up the side of the mountain. You couldn't see anything. It was dark. But you could hear it even more clearly. It sounded like gigantic footfalls going, you know, at an angle across the side of the mountain. at night, middle of the night. And like the local dogs went nuts and everything

were hearing it do. But, you know, what's so heavy that it could be, Bigfoot doesn't even fall into that category. This is a ways off. You know, you could hear like timber breaking and the whole thing. So obviously he decided he didn't want to go up and investigate. Definitely not that. I don't think he did afterwards. But he told the local paranormal group that he had found out about about this.

They had no idea what to make of it, so the story got passed along to me. And being a junction point of these known to be travel routes for Bigfoot and mountain giants possibly being

sort of keeping an eye on what's going on with the smaller Bigfoot cousins this would be a prime spot for one to be setting and sort of controlling. Yeah and you know

I think it's a key thing to say is what you just said you know people that are describing these things these are not these are separate from Bigfoot these are not Bigfoot that these people are seeing it's almost like these are overgrown human beings.

Is that right? Some of them fall into that category. Other ones look more Bigfoot-like, and this is something that, you know, Wes will watch where he encounters this all the time with Sasquatch Chronicles where they don't all look the same. There's so much so that we've been able to even like sub-catch... But even within a given troop, the individuals in that troop

will look so different that if you saw them in different places at different times, you would think they're probably different subspecies or something. So there's a wide variability just in the Bigfoot. population. And then we're not sure what, you know, we have very little even guesswork to go on as to what the genetic roots of mountain giants could be. It's possible that they're a crossbreed between the Natholum and a regular Bigfoot, in which case you would also expect to see this really wide variability between ones that look almost like a regular old giant, more caveman-like, and other ones that look like a straight-up...

Yeah, I mean, it sounds terrifying. It absolutely sounds terrifying. Wes, how many shows I know you've done Mountain Giants. Was it just one or two shows? I know you haven't done very many, right? I don't think it's been that many. What do you think, Duke, we've done like two? I know we've done two where we did one, and we really went in depth, and we did one where we sort of referenced it

because we were kind of jumping around, and we were mentioning a bunch of stuff about when it goes and Mount Giants and everything. I think we just basically did one. But, you know, even like Tim with his new book, one of the accounts that he referenced in there where the kid gets kid, have to take an underground. I'm firmly convinced that's a mountain giant report. I don't think that's a big foot report. That's interesting. That's absolutely interesting. I, uh, honestly, I haven't had a chance to listen to that show yet. I'm actually anxiously waiting for Monday to listen to it.

Uh, does he cover it in that show? Apparently, I also fall into the category of haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, but I did look at your comments and one of them mentioned that account was in there. And I went, oh God, I got to get all the rest of this stuff done so I can go back The same one. But this is one where a young lad got abducted, taken underground. There was more than one of them there. There was apparently a native woman there that they also had the same one last? Yeah, she, sorry, I didn't unmute.

I think that what he ran into was something very similar to what the two brothers ran into with the woman in white. Okay. Because she ended up disappearing. I tend to agree with you, Duke. I think it probably was more of a mountain giant than it was. a Sasquatch. But you get these strange reports, Tony, and I'm sure you'll get them to as well, where people don't want to come on the show, and they want to share what they've seen. The only two Mountain Giant reports I've ever gotten, both were from Alaska, two separate

individuals, not far from each other, and what they described was not a Sasquatch. It was very much a giant is what they were describing. And neither one of them wanted to come on the show. They just wanted to share what they had seen. So, you know, you guys know, Saskatch Chronicles isn't a Monday only thing, right? You guys can watch and listen to it any time as long. Well, that, no, well, Wednesday's only. Let me counterweight. Sasquatch Chronicles is a podcast, and it's on my time.

It's on whatever you want to listen to it. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. I totally agree with West, though. I've had several people from Alaska that have given me a. reports on it. They're willing to tell me about it, but they will not come on the air and talk about it. And, you know, a couple of them are like, probably the scariest stories I've ever heard,

and I just can't get them to come on the air and talk about. They won't even let me tell them. So, what do you do? Wow. Well, you always respect that people's wishes. You know what I mean? That's the best way to do it. Well, you have to. You know, if you're mean to your guest, then you don't get any more guests. So, you know, and one plus one equals two. Yeah. But, you know, I was just listening earlier reason I called in is because I was listening to you guys. I really just struck me. And you can still, you know, his voice is just dripping with emotion. He's back in the moment. He's confused and scared and what the hell is going on? And, you know, it's, like, it makes such a case for what he's done with Sasquatch Chronicles and other people are doing their podcasts of how important and necessary thing it is.

because it took me right back to my encounters too when I was listening to West talking about his. And it's like, you know, I hear these every day. People come and tell me their encounters, and some of them I can share, and some of them I can't. And you just sort of get like so in your hearing it all the time that it doesn't have that much emotional impact anymore. And then you go back to something like this,

and it brings you back to your own encounters, and you just realize how important it is to have so that people feel like there is somebody that they can talk to, you know, even if they don't want to go on the air, and what a huge catharsis and relief that is. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I know Wes agrees with that.

Duke, I appreciate you hanging in there with us and chat in a few minutes and stuff. We got to start winding the show down. We have to start bringing the show in for a landing. So if you don't mind, you can stay on the line with us and just kind of hang out if you'd like. But I wanted to bring up my final audio clips for my final favorite. show of the year of 2017. It was a fantastic interview that I had an opportunity to do. And I wanted to make sure we mentioned it before the show's over.

John Edmonds, the alien slayer. Yeah. So John Edmonds is somebody who was in the news this year and he's trying to sell his ranch that has aliens on it. It's an alien-infested ranch. And, you know, I think, Wes, I think you and I were talking and you said, you should get him on the show. and so I reached out to him and I found his email.

And I forget where I found it. I think I found it on YouTube somewhere. But I found his email. I sent him an email and he said, yeah, he'd come on the show. So we had him on the show. And he goes into describing how he bought this property and he just wanted to have a horse ranch. And that's just not what he got. He got something totally different.

And he describes killing aliens, ETs on his property over the years. and I wanted to play one of those clips right now. So you've mentioned earlier in this interview that you've killed them. Had that all developed as far as you being able to kill these things? Was it something that you were trying to fend them off from attacking you or your dogs or anything like that? Or was it just that you saw them and you had enough and you're going to kill them? How'd that all start developing for you? They have a real thing for women and they have a real thing for younger women.

and they seem to be programmed or interested in young women. They're not so much interested in men, as far as I can tell, because, you know, like when my friends come around, my buddies and stuff, they'll see stuff once in a while, but it doesn't ever seem to make a move on them. We've had, you know, incidents where we've had friends that were male friends, you know, spend a couple of days, and they'll come over and they'll lift the sheets up and look at them, as soon as they see that it's a man, they just kind of leave them alone. They don't go near.

But if it's a woman, they will fondle, they will touch, they will pinch, they will, you know, do all sorts of stuff. And so whatever it is, it's got to have something to do with the fact that they're female. Wow, so I'm assuming that your wife has had issues with that. She's had horrible issues with it. She's been attacked repeatedly. I have killed at least three of them that were. in the process of attacking her.

Wow. So I know you mentioned before that during killing one of these things, you actually were able to get, I guess, for lack of better terms, a specimen from it. How'd that all work out? Because do these things, basically what I'm going to ask you is, before you tell that, do these things materialize and dematerialize in order for you to kill them?

Yeah, they actually, there's a guy named Robert Collins retired Captain Robert Collins and he's an expert on physics, he's an expert on how things move around in terms of these grays. He's seen

them many, many times himself. He's in Ohio and he's dealing with his situation for years there with them. And so he's done all the homework with math and physics and all that good stuff that

really isn't my thing. And he can tell you exactly how it works. Wow. Okay. So when you kill these things, do you have the bodies or how does that work? Well, what happened was that if you take the head, you get the whole package. If you don't take the head off, then what happens is they disappear. They just go back into what I think is a phase. They phase in and they fill. out. And so they step into another dimension that is just slightly outside of our dimension and that's how they move.

Because I've seen them, they'll appear. It's almost like they're unzippering our reality and they stick their head through and they look around and if it looks like the coast is clear, they step through the rest of the direction. If they sense that there's

some kind of problem, then they just back, back out and they disappear. That's incredible. That's absolutely incredible. Have you ever seen them kind of materialized or dematerialize or dematerialize in front of you? Many, many, many times. I've gotten to the point where I can predict where they're going to move to next. They don't really walk the way humans do or the way anything does. They just kind of appear from place to place. And so once you get the gist of how they move, you can pretty well predict where they're going to be next. And I'm usually waiting with a sword for them to

appear so that I can take a good swing at them. I love it. That just sounds so awesome. When you hear what you say like that, it's like, man, I just, I wish I could be there to see what you see when it comes like this stuff. I mean, I'm sure it's scary as heck, but I mean, man, like, it's just, it's insane. So when you, you said, you know, take the head off, get the whole package. If you don't, they dematerialize. Do you think that they, like, I don't know, grow limbs back if you don't take. pick off the head?

I really have no idea. They all look the same to me. So, you know, for all I know, I could be whacking the same one over and over and over again. I have no idea. Okay, yeah, because I wasn't sure if, like, you saw, like, one-armed aliens walking around. Like, oh, yeah, I got that guy last week, you know?

That would be funny. Yeah, no. Oh, man. Yeah, I wish I could just tag him, you know, like with one of those, you know, deals that they tag animals with, but no such luck. All right, well, that was John Edmonds, and I really enjoy talking with John and just hearing about his story.

It's been obviously all over the news. I actually did see just an article recently saying that he did sell his ranch. I'm not sure if that happened or not, but he's trying to move to Maine. And he's got a lot of different things going on with his property and also with his communications with these things. It's very interesting interview. Highly encouraged people to check it out. And one of my favorite lines that he said... I've been killing eachies longer than most people have careers.

I just started to roll and I thought it was hilarious guys I really appreciate you being on here tonight Duke I wanted to give you a quick shout out with your show on YouTube why don't you tell people where they can find it what it's called and what you cover

all right well the show is called World Bigfoot Radio which is almost a misnomer at this point it's sort of a podcast plus format big stuff coming up there shortly things are things are happening, going to be moving to other new platforms and whatnot.

So keep an eye on that. But for right now, you can find it on YouTube at my home channel, Brian Sullivan, B-R-I-A-M-Solvin, on YouTube. That's where it's based currently, but it's not going to be there for very much longer, I think. And mostly what I cover with my show is, as you might expect, well, Bigfoot, kind of sums up 90% of it. It's Bigfoot. Bigfoot's all over the world.

We cover Bigfoot all over the world. it's not so much an encounter show like Wes is West is the King of Encounter shows you know so why reinvent the wheel he's got the best one my shows is kind of got like more topic driven Bigfoot it's subject about Bigfoot we're doing like people on that are knowledgeable about certain aspects of it and we'll just throw out a general topic well you know it's just about anything anything you can imagine Bigfoot related could potentially be on it that includes occasional shows about Mountain Giants or little people

and stuff like that. So Bigfoot Radio. Come on, check it out, you guys. You'll like it. It's fun. It's fun show. Right on. Duke, I really appreciate you being here, man, and all that stuff.

It's been great having you on. So Dave Groves, you've been quiet for a little bit. You got any closing comments before we get out of here? We're just under 10 minutes left. Yeah, no, just sitting back and joining the show. But, you know, I didn't want to make a point since both of you were on the line that probably one of the best shows that I've ever heard in my life was it was one of Wes's where he had the, what do you do next after you kill a Bigfoot?

That conversation needed to be had because everybody that thinks that, you know, just thinks are going to go out and do this for those people that have that frame of mind. And you guys brought up some great stuff that made you really think, you know. And I just want to put a shout out there for that because I thought it was great. It was like a roundtable discussion with you, West Woody, and Tom. And that was just an awesome show. And I was glad he had you on there, Tony. I mean, yeah, it was great.

I just want to shot that out to people. If they haven't had a chance to listen to it, maybe you could tell them which episode or how they find it. But, wow, it was just fantastic. Yeah, that was a fun. But hey, congratulations, Tony. I just want to say that before I leave. Congratulations. Well done.

And keep it up. Thanks, man. I really appreciate that. Dave, you obviously know I'll be talking with you. I appreciate you being here, man. And that show you just brought up, but that was a fun episode. I really enjoyed it.

That was me, Wes, Woody, Duke, and Tom, Tom Seawood. And that was just a, that was a great time, great conversation. And I think I could speak for everybody that Tom brought the energy. Tom, he brought the energy.

Some of the things he was rattling off. I was like, holy crap, this guy. He's just like, you pull the liver out, you're sticking in your pocket. I was rolling. I was rolling. That was a fun show that it really was. And it called people's attention. It's called Killing Sasquatch, Wes.

I'm not exactly sure what episode number that was. I want to say, I don't know, 248, something like that. It's been a while, though. That was a controversial. Yeah, don't ask me. Don't ask me. Yeah, you just think of a show, right? I remember the show.

Yeah. That was fun. though. I mean, that was really kind of like my, I think it was probably the first time I was ever on Sasquatch Chronicles. Ah, maybe not, but it was still fun. It was a lot of fun. But, Wes, now that you're here and

on the line again, I just wanted to say thanks again for being here and hanging in there. I started the show three hours ago and I wasn't sure how long it'd go. I didn't know if I could carry a show for more than an hour live. We just did three hours and I just want to publicly apologize to

West, Dave, because you guys hung in there the whole time and I didn't tell you a time that we'd be done. I just said, I don't know. So I really appreciate you hanging in there with me. No apologies. No apologies at all, man. I'm happy to be here and I'm honored to be here. And thank you so much for having me, Tony. Right on, man, right on. So any last words by anybody? Because if not, you will have a friend. I have one. I didn't get to say the appropriate congratulations on you surviving over a year. in this friendly everybody wants to cut your throat,

stab you in the back, and hit you on fire and throw you off the glit community. Really well done. Really love your show. Really love the wide-ranging aspect of how you deal with things where you can have lots of different subjects. Nothing's really op-linous. Love it. Keep doing it, man.

Great job. Well, I really appreciate that, Duke. It's been a journey. I really didn't know if I'd make it a year, but we did. We made it a year, and it's just been a blast. I had a lot of fun, and I'm looking forward to 2018. We have big, big goals for this coming year.

I smashed my goals last year. Couldn't believe it. So this coming year, we're going to really try to kick it up to another level. I see a lot of sleepless nights in my future, but it's all for the content that we're creating. You, Duke, Wes, you guys know as content creators, like, it's a lot of hard. work, but it's a lot of rewards at the end of it, too. So that said, everybody, thank you for being here. Everybody who's out there listening. Thank you. Everybody who called in, thank you very much. It's been a great time. If you're interested in more live shows, we are going to be doing live

shows through our Patreon page. So if you want to become a patron, you can do that at patreon.com backslash the professionals. Check it out. We got some great rewards over there. A lot of people are kind of hanging out with us over there at the Patreon page. So go ahead and check that out. Until next time, I'll see you next Saturday, 6 o'clock on the confessionalspodcast.com. I will talk to you all later.

Bye, bye.