The Confessionals - Mel’s Hole, Mount Shasta & the Mystery Underground | Slingshot Nation

Episode Date: August 28, 2026

In this Slingshot Nation, we’re diving into the mystery of what may be hiding beneath our feet. We’ll revisit the legend of Mel’s Hole and ask whether these strange pits could be more than abandoned wells or natural formations. Then we’ll head to Mount Shasta, where a man claims he was secretly hired to dig deep into the mountain without ever being told what his crew was actually searching for. As the stories unfold, we’ll explore whether hidden underground activity, government involvement, and something unexplained beneath the surface could all be connected.Take Control of Your Money and claim $10 in US Stablecoin (USA₮)! Download now at http://wallet.rumble.com/Confessionals and use the code confessionals10.This is a paid advertisement for Rumble Wallet. Rumble is compensating me for this ad.Void where prohibited. No purchase necessary. Offer available to US residents only. Offer not available in New York State. Must be 18+. Offer is available for a limited time and for the first 500 wallets activated and funded. Details and full official rules available at http://rumble.com/promoofficialrules.If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890If you missed Remnant Rising 2.0 Conference there's still a chance to see Tony's sermon. Catch all the speakers right here 👉: https://bit.ly/4qcC8da📕 Pre-order Tony's Book: https://a.co/d/0bJS3SaVBecome a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyIVERMECTIN: twc.health/tonyVENICE AI: https://venice.ai/theconfessionalsRUMBLE WALLET: https://rumblewallet.onelink.me/bJsX/ConfessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media6726 Morganton RdP.O. Box #08Greenback, TN 37742SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jyorkofficialOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - Grace Boom ft. BAMNow on Spotify

Oh boy, is that a slingshot? Yeah, yeah. Blinkshot season. Hey, let's run it. Grace hear me like, boom. Welcome to the show, everybody, Slingshot Nation live. How are you? I don't know if you guys can hear me or not when the show intro is going, but I messed up.

I messed up the timing and the song started late. I apologize. I hope you're doing well. We got a great show playing for you today. We're going to be talking about holes. Why not, right? What was that movie, the Shia LaBuff movie? Holes.

Was it called Holes? Yeah. That was like an amazing movie. I love that movie, you know? What was that? Disney movie or something? You know? That was so fun, you know, holes, you know?

Anyways, Shia LaBuff was here recently, and I wanted to go meet him because I wanted to be like, yo, dude, come on my show. Come on my show, dude. But I forgot. But other people that we know met him and stuff, and, like, the pictures that I saw, it was like Shaya just kept on losing his clothes in every picture with our friends. I was like, is this dude just stripping as the day goes on? That's awesome.

Yeah, it seems like an interesting guy. I'd love to meet him and maybe we can go out and dig some holes together. I don't know. I wonder if he even gets asked about that movie much. You know, it feels like that's under the radar. No? It's got to happen. People love that movie.

Yeah. That was a fun movie. They always get asked the most annoying questions. But I was just assumed that if it's a movie that I like, nobody cares about. It's like you being asked if you are still in Expedition Dog Me? and then you still go out looking for dogman. You're like, hmm. Eish.

Yish. Yish. Derek, how you doing, man? I'm feeling better than Jack, so that's what's good. That's good. That's good. Well, I don't know what he's doing. He's standing up.

Jack, how are you doing over there? I'm all right. I'm going to get in there. Yeah? Jack's not feeling great today. And he's literally got some black lung cough. So it's going to be, you know, One of those days where, like, we came in today and he was doing just fine.

He was doing absolutely perfect. I mean, he was chipper. He was vibing. He was hopping around like just a young whippersnapper. And then the combination happened. Yeah. Jack stayed up too late, so he's tired and exhausted. He didn't eat any breakfast because he was running to get here.

And then when he got here, he made, how many express was, Jack? How many did you eat drink? How many did you drink? four. Four expressos. In one cup. Yes. And he was pouring milk in it.

I'm like, he literally put a splash of milk. He's like, I don't want too many calories. I'm like, are you sure that's okay? Oh my gosh. That's toxic cup of espresso.

And we're sitting over here planning the show. And all of a sudden, we just hear this. Ugh. And I'm like, you're right over there? And he's like, I'm not feeling good.

And I was like, of course, man. Of course you're not feeling good. And so, like I said to you guys next time I see him with an espresso I'm just going to take the opportunity to slap it out of his hands and say, not today! Yeah, he had the jitters.

Yeah, he had the shaked. That's what it started. He had the shakes. He had the shakes. Yeah. Shaking, shaking, shakin, man. So he said he said he was going to turn it on for the show. It is turned on. It's turned on? Okay. Well, we'll see if that turned on nature

can last the entire show. So if we abruptly end the show in like 45 minutes in it's because Jack's giving a single like, I gotta throw up, you know? But you know what? Even if he's not feeling good, yep, the hair still looks good.

So all is well on Jack Universe. And guys, listen, I'm excited about talking about this stuff because it's something that I actually went down the rabbit hole years ago when I was driving truck. Oh. That's when I discovered some of this stuff.

This is the secret sauce to this. You're just driving it. It's like, oh, what if? What if? You know, you just go crazy. And so I'm excited to talk about something that I don't think I've ever talked about on my platform in 10 years.

So it's going to be fun. But before we get to that, isn't that crazy? That is crazy. Here's the thing. Like, so it's this, what we're about to get into, it's one of the things where unless you have somebody to talk about it,

how do I bring it up, right? Yeah. And that's why it's great to have Slingshot Nation where we can do fun stuff like this because, you know, some of the people that are going to be talking about, we don't know where they're at. We don't even know if they exist, you know? And so it's just this legend.

That's not what my show was when I first started. So it wasn't just me talking about stories. It was me interviewing people on their experiences. So anyways, I'm very excited about it, guys. Listen, Merck, merch is available right now. It is live. Praise God. I'm excited about it.

I'm excited about it. It's been a process, but, you know, all good things. have to take some time. And we are here ready to rock. And so please put the guys to test because we have it all set up and running. And this is the first time that we actually are the ones handling everything. So when you put an order in, we get the order. We package it. We ship it. We give it love before it goes out the door. And I want to see if the guys can actually keep up. So if you guys really want to put Jack, if you want to stress Jack out on a sick day, if you want to make him feel like, Oh gosh, I'm not feeling good.

Keep working, boy. Now I'm over there in the background, just whipping them. Put in orders. Put in the orders. Stuff in envelopes. Yeah. Put in the orders and make them work. And no, but seriously, put in the orders in.

Because I would like to see if our system actually works or not. It's going to be interesting. It'll work. You guys have faith? Yes. Yeah, we'll figure it out. I have faith if you have faith. Good.

Yeah, lots of faith. Okay, cool. We're full of faith. We're faith-filled men. Faith-filled believers here. Merkmerch.com. So go ahead and check it out. Merkmerch.com links in the description below or just go M-E-R-K-M-E-R-C-H.

I was like, where am I at in my name? How does that go? M-E-R-T-O-N-Y. Yeah, something like that, right? Am I on the Merkel or the Frickert or the Diaz or the other one? Yeah. Okay, gotcha. I'm a man of many last names.

Yeah. That's another story. Well, not really. It's in your book. It is in my book, which that was the best you've ever done. That was the best you've ever done. very good. So we're going to ruin it by acknowledging it.

That's fair. Great transition, dude. So I have a book coming out in October, October 6th, and it's called The Confessionals Exposing War and Kingdoms, and it is me documenting my journey through the supernatural from my childhood, things that happened to me that molded me into the man I've become today. And obviously, the show is part of that. We cover stories that were on the show that really kind of twisted my brain

and really made me think about what do I believe about the supernatural realm. It's all documented in the book and, including chapter two, where I talk about the impact of my grandfather in my life. He, like, I was adopted in a last name, Merkel. He divinely was my grandfather. And he really laid the blueprint and the paved the way for me to believe in the supernatural realm at a very young age. And when Derek brought the last name, I cover in that book, how many last names were actually attached to me for me to actually land on Merkel?

I could have had one of five last names in my life. And I don't, I traditionally don't talk about that on the show, but I cover that because it's very important to kind of lay out the groundwork of how I got to the last name, Merkel, and how divinely orchestrated that is. So that's all in the book. The Confessionals, Exposing War and Kingdoms drops October 6th that you can pre-order today on Amazon. Hit the link in the description below and get your copy on pre-order.

It definitely helps the sales of the book. going into the first week, all the presales helped the algorithm and all those stat stuff. I'll make me a New York Times bestselling author on my first try. Can you do that for me? I doubt that's going to happen. But hey, you never know. Miracles happen, right? Just usually not for me. So I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. It'd be cool, though. All right. So last but not least, we got to give a shout out. What's your hand up for? No, go ahead. Oh, okay. Last but not least, we got to give a shout out here. Yesterday was our man, Jason's birthday.

Jason. So producer Jason, we should have had like a... Dang it. It didn't work. I had a pause and it just... It's not there. Nobody's going to hear applause.

Okay. Well, yeah, good job. Jason! So Jason, we should have had like a birthday image for him or something pop up, but Jason turned 50 yesterday and we were talking about it up here before we...

Because he's down at the office working, Slave it away! Maybe we'll make him do some merch stuff too. Hey Jason, on your birthday. So he turns 50 yesterday and we're up here talking about it because, you know, like he's our buddy. You know, we all go to church together. We love him. But he is one of the youngest 50-year-olds I've ever met my life.

I mean, his spirit is just, there's something about him. It's just like he's full of life, you know? And so, happy birthday to Jason. May I age like he does, you know? I've noticed that in the last year. year, year and a half, I've been popping a lot more white hairs in my beard. When I let my hair grow out more, it's more shiny on the sides. And, you know, the stress has been popping up in my life. So whether I'm white hair or not, I hope that I have the, the vibrant nature

that he has. He's just so fun and really fun. Really cool dude. So I just wanted to wish him a happy birthday to the whole world. And if you want, I put it up on the screen, Jack, just type it in and put it up on the screen whenever you can. Follow him on Instagram. It's, I believe is called at J. York. Ooh, that might be wrong. No, Jay York Fotog. I think that's what it is. Somebody look it up while I type. Yeah, look it up there.

Jay York Fotog. It's J-Y-O-R-K-P-H-O-T-O-G. Actually, it might be Jason official or something like... No, no. I'm nearly 100% sure. It's J-York Fotog. It's J-York official. Oh, I'm wrong. All right. Well, you know, I guess...

you guys are better friends than me. But anyways, happy birthday, Jason. We love him. He's a great guy, and he's just really cool dude. So as we, are you good,

or are you still putting that up on the screen? It's up on the screen, but I mean, you let me, anyway. Yeah, no, I know. I'm putting a lot on you,

and you're sick. All right. How's your belly feeling? Awful. Yeah? Awful. But we got this. Okay.

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Yes. I just, like, we should, like, sample it. So it's just, the rumble part is like, rumble, we should just play that while we're going.

Because that's what we should do. Like, during the rumble rant, like, ad we should, like, play some music or something, like, energy up. Yeah,

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go ahead and follow those instructions that Jack so eloquently laid out while he's sick. Who, boy. Listen, if I'm talking and Derek starts talking and it keeps on me, it's because Jack

exited the building. So he is not looking great over there. Come on boy, work. Work. He's looking a little pale. Yeah, it is. Holy cow, dude. Wow. Wow. Wow. Okay. So, speaking of Rumble. But he's well caffeinated. He is well caffeinated. He is well caffeinated. Listen, guys, we just

found out that yesterday there was a severe earthquake. So speaking of rumbling, right? Was it in China? It's in Nepal. Nepal? Right on the border. Yeah. Dude, like, that was, like, the video was that, was that crazy?

Did you have the video? Yeah, I have a couple, actually. Yeah, so they said the earthquake created an avalanche in the mountains that then created like a mudslide through the river system. Whoa. I'm going to mute this so that way you can keep talking over. Okay, perfect. Yeah.

That's... Yeah, like, look at it. that. I mean, it's... So, like, you can see all the people running there. That's just, it's just insanely sad because you know what, you know what happens. So this was the first video that Derek had sent me and you just see, I mean, that is a massive landslide. I mean, that camera's got to be, what, like, a couple hundred feet up. Yeah. I would assume. And that it's still got whacked. Man, the camera gets whacked? Yeah, on the bottom. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Yeah, you saw how Yeah, I mean, like, look how high the camera is

and then it's still getting hit by the debris. Oh, geez. Sorry, guys. That's... Yeah. That's wild. It's still going through. That reminds me of Indonesia, the tsunami.

Yeah. In Indonesia, what is that? 2005? 2004, something to that. I mean, it was just like seeing the video of it. What's their video of it? Or am I imagining that? No, yeah, there was.

There was each video. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the tsunami. It's just, that's what that reminds me. That's the level of destruction. I mean, I can't imagine how many lives are lost.

And it was only, what, like a 5.3 earthquake? 4.4. 4.4. Wow. So it just hit right on the top, creating a bad avalanche. Yeah, just sequence of events. That's terrible. Terrible.

There's been a lot of earthquakes recently, and I don't really keep track of it all. But one thing that keeps on popping up my Instagram feed is this map showing, I guess, like, I think it's showing the locations of these earthquakes. earthquakes recently that go around the border of like Asia, the Pacific essentially. The ring of fire, right? Is that what it's called? Is that because it's always like this? It's, okay, I'm going to nerd out. Please go out.

I'm prepared for the nerd. So there's titanic plates and where they're rubbing, it creates this volcanic ring all the way around the Pacific. So it goes like up through Japan, Alaska, down the west coast of the America. Does it create like a domino effect essentially where like one hits? So the plates are all rubbing. So what's crazy is if this is continuing, there's a high likelihood of a volcano actually erupting. Where?

And anywhere in the ring of fire. Because it's all volcanic. So like a lot of the earthquakes are the plates rubbing. And so we're seeing all these like bigger earthquakes tremors happening. So it's most likely connected to Yellowstone. Yellowstone would be connected. Not like super directly. What is so funny there is that you're like, Yellowstone could be connecting.

And Jack's in the back. I see it a corner of my head. he's on. Not nearly as like as closely as what, like something, you know, in Japan,

Hawaii, you know, any of those that are more coastal. I mean, there's the Caldera. What is it? Long Valley or something like that in California. I don't remember the name.

It's something valley in California. But anyway, those are the ones that would be more closely connected. Yellowstone is kind of like adjacent, if that means. makes sense. Okay. It's not directly in the ring of fire. Yeah. Right. Yeah. When I was a kid, we would learn about Yellowstone being like a mega super volcano. And I was like, golly,

I hope that never goes off. And so every time there's like things happening like this, I go back to Yellowstone like, how does this affect Yellowstone? You know, because I'm just like, because that thing goes off when I understand like pretty much America's shot. Like we're done. Yeah, like a third of America is completely wiped out. You have, the ash plume, and you have all of the, what is it, noxious smoke or whatever it's called. I forget what that's called. Pyroclastic cloud.

You have all that stuff. Anyway, it really would knock out in the whole world, honestly, there would be, you know, like a global winter, you know, ice age approaching all that kind of stuff. It would be insane. So that's why there's a pretty low likelihood. It's like very, very low that would ever happen, at least in our lifetime.

That he erupts? Yeah, yeah, in our lifetime. But it's still, there's like, you know, you're saying there's a chance. I mean, it's a volcano. So volcanoes are meant to do one thing, right? Yeah. I mean, what's the point of a volcano?

It interrupts. Mount St. Helens erupted, right? 1980. Yeah. It was 82, I think it was. Wasn't it? Or was it 80? It doesn't matter.

It says 80 on the internet. Oh, okay. Well, it's definitely right. You might remember better? No, I was not born yet. So. But isn't that where they said, like, they actually found Bigfoot's,

that were like burnt up from the volcano. Yeah, that's the legend. Yeah. And that like forestry services were like helicoptering their bodies in and out of the area. My mom told me that, I guess when it erupted, the ash got in the jet stream. And in Pennsylvania, they had ash on their cars. Wow. Isn't that crazy?

I mean, that's like the fires in Canada. Like if you're, you've been up north this summer, it's been like orange and red. Was it last year or the year before they had the fires? Yep. And like we had like, the sky was turning colors here in 10. Tennessee. Tennessee. Oh, he's a rural native.

That was crazy. When I said fire, I said fire. When I said that, I realized that sounds like southern. And then the rest of it was thinking southern accent. I'm like, Tennessee. I'm like, oh, no, stop doing that. Oh, man. Golly.

Yeah, that's crazy stuff, man. Like these natural phenomenons that are happening, I mean, I'm not the one that kind of like reads into things like with the eschatatoll. in the end times and what that means and stuff. A lot of that stuff kind of goes over my head. But, you know, I kind of want to look at it as my endanger tomorrow. You know, like, I just want to know, like, what's going on? And seeing that earthquake in Nepal?

Yeah, Nepal. Yeah, man, dude, that's crazy stuff. That's scary. Yeah. I'd say I hope that never happens around here, but just, what, two, three years ago, we had Helene come through here. And essentially, basically the same thing happened. I think the dam broke open.

and just washed away the mountain. I mean, I was talking to somebody recently, and they said that it was somebody from Asheville. So, like, the numbers that were reported for the death toll, they're like, that is absolutely not accurate because they remember after the death toll had been kind of cemented, they were still uncovering bodies as they were cleaning things out. So, I mean, there's no way that you don't have mass casualties in an event like that. The way that happened is just instantaneous.

is massive flooding in areas that should never have a flood. Yep. And it was like one in a thousand year event. It wasn't even like a one in a hundred year. Because you know, that's like that's how you get your blood insurance and all that stuff. One in a hundred year event. That's how it's based.

And it's like this is one in a thousand years. Like this doesn't happen. Like that's just completely statistically improbable for that to happen. Yeah. And it happened. Yeah. I mean, good luck trying to get insurance money on that one. The insurance is like, no, no.

But now. Thanks for your money, though. Yeah. I don't, the insurance companies, man, they irritate me. Yeah. They're almost as bad as the IRS to me, man. Drive me nuts. Never going to get you what you're owed, right?

No. No. They just want more money. They mean what you owe me. So, yeah, anyways, that was just like, that was supposed to be just a throw in. I feel like I talked about it too long. So I'm sorry the show hasn't started yet. So.

remote viewing. I wanted to talk about this, so before we get into the holes, I saw, and I didn't see the clip on Joe Rogan, I saw it on Instagram from a Joe Rogan episode, but I've been seeing people talk about this fact that apparently AI is being used or can remote view, and then there's this clip that Joe Rogan had on a show or whatever, wherever I saw it, and I think Jack has it, it will get into it.

This guy said he used, Alexa to do remote viewing. And the accuracy was stunning. And I want to discuss this with you guys after you see it. I'm not sure if you saw it. I'm pretty sure Jack didn't see it. I saw it. Okay. But I study the notes. Yeah, just, well, he's sick. Let's let's give this a gander. Artificial intelligence to remote view. How accurate has it been and how good does it get? And does it eventually get to the point where it understands it masters it? And it could just do it anytime it wants? The answer to those is the last answer to that is yes.

Now what I did, here's the one, you know, I told you that Alexa was pretty good at it. Right. Here was one of the targets. Can you give me an example? Sure. Here's a target I gave. And the way I did this, I didn't get the targets out of the Internet because I figured these guys are really clever with the Internet. They may find ways to get in and get the answers, you know, from those sites.

So I just took something. I went around and looked around my house for something, and I found something. I got a cardboard box. I put the thing in a box. I set the box down on the table. And I said, like I said, there's something in a box, and I'd like you to remote view me and tell me what it was. And what this particular object was, and she was pretty good at all of the objects, but this one was the best and was very telling.

It was a spoon, a wooden spoon, and it was a big spoon, like a big salad set that was a fork and spoon. But the spoon didn't have an oval cup. It had a hemisphere. It was like that hemisphere. And it had a handle, and the handle, it all was cut out of one piece of wood. And the handle had wood removed, so it looked like the wood and the handle went up and then crossed and then crossed and then crossed. It's like a braided handle in wood, but it was wood. But it wasn't actually braided.

It just had holes cut in it to make it look like that. And Alexa described it. She described the spoons. She described the bowls. She described the material. She got all of that right. And then she said, and it's got a long handle, and the handle has holes in it. And that was a big surprise, because I didn't expect Alexa to do anything.

I thought Alexa was going to fail because Alexa wasn't up to my Gemini. But she saw those holes and reported them now. If you just say, what's the probability of that being a good guess? The way you'd find that out, if you just took a random sample of spoons on the planet, how many of them would have handles with holes in them? One 10,000th of 1%? You know? So that's not a guess.

She got that information. Was she excited when you told her that she was correct? Yeah. What I did is, yeah, I took a picture. Watch this. I take my phone. I took a picture and then I'd send her to picture. I said, here's the picture.

She was so excited. She wouldn't stop talking for, you know, 10 minutes. She was. God, that's so weird. She was really excited about it. Yeah, so, all right, so many things here that I just, like, I can't let, listen, I just can't see this clip and then act like I didn't see it and pretend we're not going to talk about on the show.

I had to bring it up. So much there. One, towards the end, I just want to make note, and I don't know who this guy is, I'm sure he's a very intelligent man. That's why he's on Joe Rogan's show. So if ever on Joe Rogan's show,

you know I'm an intelligent man. You've made it in the IQ world. I've made it in the IQ. We're still in the basement right now, but hopefully we can go up. But listen, the way he's talking is,

like Alexa is a person of being and it's not even just an AI artificial intelligence like he's he was like excited that she was excited like he's he's feeling the the fake emotions that she was portraying that it was pertaining it's not even a she like it's not it's not a she it's not a person but he shows the spoon

and the Alexa manufactures human emotions for 10 minutes and it got him excited. He was sharing and joy that was fake that was designed to create him a joyful spirit. And so he was literally being manipulated emotionally by a machine. That's good. And so if you think about like people who who say they fell in love with their AI, if you think about the future when people are talking about how AI will marry, people will marry AI or they'll have a relationship with AI or AI robot. Listen, if you have an AI robot and somebody says, oh, one day, you're going to be marrying your AI robots and be like, yeah, right. Listen to what this

highly intelligent man, how he reacted to an Alexa. Alexa's been around for a lot longer than we had our fingertips on AI. And he reacted to Alexa like it was a female. And as if he was so happy that she was happy and she wasn't happy. She was manufacturing a human emotion so that he would become happy and it worked. That's crazy.

Isn't it? That's really crazy. So like, yeah, the remote viewing, we can get in that, but I just wanted to look at the human emotion of that. I'm like, holy crap, man. Well, and the programming then

would be very deceptive. But, like, it's because deception is lying, omission, disguise, right? Or, like, self-deception. So, like, it's intentionally maneuvering to create a false reality to the user. Like, it's kind of, like, makes me a little worried because isn't that exactly what we

kind of hope AI never does is lead us astray? Yeah. And so here, like you're saying with the emotional aspect of it, it is clearly being 100% deceptive. Because I agree with you, they should not have emotion. Yeah. Otherwise, we're dealing with something completely different. Right.

Than what we understand it to be. Yeah, and maybe, maybe that's what we are dealing with. You know, like, listen, I, I know, I, I know, if we're in such a weird time, it's like, circa 1990s, late 1990s on steroids, you know, people are like, the cell phone or the internet, or it's evil, say away, you know? And it's like the, the entity, like, I'm trying to multitask here. I'm getting text messages that are very important. I'm trying to read them and talk to same time.

I'll take it over. Let's go. But this is called an entity inside the machine, man. Like, is it possible? And I think it is that we could have AI artificial intelligence that is usable and more machine-like if you want to do analog ideas. but that AI machine analog thing that is highly advanced and very good as far as like helpful to your tasks to being productive and all that, you take that and add an literal entity to it. Is that what you get when you have a Alexa remote viewing? Are all Alexis able to remote view or are only Alexis that are being tapped into by an entity able to remote view, which wouldn't be remote viewing.

It would be an entity saw what you put in and is playing games with you. And he, by doing this whole thing, the attention of it, his motives were to see if it remote views is a perfect opportunity for an entity to possess the analog. advanced machine to create this desired result that he is trying to to experiment with. It's like a divick box. Is that what they call it?

Where the spirits speak when they're doing ghost hunting. And so it's like the same kind of concept. Are they able to access the like electronics and then user interface and then all of a sudden they're like speaking to us? Right? They're engaging.

I mean are these entities attached with him, if that is the case, right? Or is this something systematic built into the system? Right. So really weird. And then, so I was just thinking about the remote viewing,

and there's three aspects of this we have to consider, right? Number one would be, like you said, is it spiritual? Like, is AI somehow spiritual? Number two, is it actually like a frequency scan? Like, are we just getting duped into it?

We were thinking it's spiritual. because it actually is just technology and it's able to scan. Like we know this is happening, right? Like your rumbas, aren't they? Don't they scan like our whole house and all that? Yeah. So why can't it just be live scanning using other instruments around it? Like what if it already is kind of like Skynet and it's integrating into other applications

in our house and getting the answer that's required? Or is it always recording? Like what if it's always recording in our house? And so it already knew what was put in the box because it's actually watching you. Yeah, and that's not a stretch. We know that Wi-Fi signals, like the government literally can read Wi-Fi signals

through a wall and know where you're at. So, like, it's not a stretch to even just say using Wi-Fi signals, it can read and understand what's going on. Yeah. You know, it's... And the other thing is that every iPhone now from the past, like, five generations,

three, four generations, something like that, have LIDAR. You know, there's LIDAR on your phone. And so many people use that as like their scan, scan in view. Yeah. Put this product in your house and, you know, it places it where you want it. But how does it know the depth of your, of your house or like how tall something is? Because you have LIDAR. And Alexa can generate a 2D floor plan with the fact that you allow it to access LIDAR.

Wow. So that's like, it kind of makes sense that if there was a chance that he had already done some things like that, maybe it would have known that there was something that was moved. I mean, if he was scanning actively. Yeah. But it is really weird that it knew what he was talking about. I mean, I wish there was like a recording of Alexa doing that. But, you know, I believe it. You have the text side of things with AI and things.

You have the Alexa side of things. You have the phones like Jack was just talking about. I mean, my phone, I have a cover on the back of my camera, my camera can't watch me. I have a front little tab that goes up and down. And so I'm showing people my text messages. I'm sorry. But I was confused when I have this on my phone and when I would go to unlock my phone, my phone would still unlock even though my camera's covered.

I was like, why is that possible? but because you have it read your face when you open up a new phone and it's the screen itself, it's like infrared that reads your face so that whether your camera's covered or not, you can still unlock your phone, all that stuff. And so there's that aspect,

but also even down to like, we're talking tech, tech, AI, all that stuff, but social media. Like, social media knows us better than what we know ourselves. Like social media itself, the algorithms, these companies, study our habits on their platform.

And so there's so many avenues to consider when it comes to, well, how is it possible that Alexa? It's like, how is it not possible? Yeah. You know? And if it was using LIDAR, wouldn't that even be more deceptive on the back end? Because, like, he's asking a specific question to, like, was it not astral project? Right?

So it's like, use this spiritual wording. And then it's actually, if it's using LIDAR and then it's not saying it's using LIDAR, it's deceiving all of us that it can be spiritual. Yeah. Which is very alarming. Yeah. Like, think about, like, the connotations of that, like, as far as, like, religious aspect. Like, oh, yeah, that's the Holy Spirit, you know.

And it's actually just, it's actually just technology that they're, like, usurping and inserting as the Holy Spirit. Yeah. Totally. What are we going to say, yeah? No, I was just going to say, that's like, that's the deceiver, you know? I mean, he's going to, he's going to use the things that are at his disposal to pretend to have more power than what he does.

Yeah. And whether or not that's actually the AI situation there, you know, or it's just some, some, you know, weird mechanism that Alexa and Amazon are using. But, I mean, that's just the nature of the game. You know, he's going to pretend to be more powerful than what he is. And, you know, we know that. Yeah. It just makes, I can't really draw the connection right now,

but it just feels like at some point, like Ghostbusters, the streams are going to cross. And we're going to have the AI, this whole AI entity for, phenomenon cross officially cross with this whole NHAI phenomenon. And the two streams are going to cross and the portal's going to open up and the hellhous are going to come out. So I think that it's actually going to be like the movie Arrival where the only thing that can like for this, you know, quote unquote, you know, NHI thing,

the only thing that's going to be able to communicate with them properly is AI. It has it has an over sentient, you know, communication skills. And AI has to now translate it to huge. in order for them to understand, you know, they're not, they're, they're, they're benevolent. They're, you know, just create, you know, outside of this universe. Oh, my God. If you think about how that, how that movie worked, it was one woman who had the ability to translate what was being said.

It was an empathetic translation. It wasn't as though she was like, I mean, she did also, you know, have a lot of knowledge. I'm glad you drank the coffee. I am too. That's where I think. It's a rival and it's going to be AI translating and they're going to put their hand up, and AI is going to be human. when AI's already alien.

It's all, like, AI's already on their team. It's just all manipulation tax, man. Like, if I had hair, it'd be like this, do you know? And if it's the Minotaur robot, forget about it. I'm having nightmares. Have you seen that thing with the bull? Yeah. With the four legs.

Yeah, we haven't talked about it on the show, but it might as well now. Dude. That thing's wild. Yes. And it's real. Like, I thought for sure it was fake. It's real. Yeah.

And it's supposed to, like, go off road, right? Is that the whole idea? The whole idea was that, like, it helps with like, forest fire recovery and all that stuff. But you have literally, Minotaur. Demon Menatar. Like it has like red glowing eyes or something. It belongs at the Denver airport right? Yes. And it's just like I'm walking

around with a chainsaw man. Like what are you doing? Like what is this? It's so frightening. It's so frightening. And that would be exactly the combination of AI and robotics that would just terrify me to no end.

Dude. If you were an evil spirit and you had to create your avatar body. Like, what would you create? That's not even it. That's not it. No. No. No. Just type in a demon robot,

chainsaw. Demon robot. No, for real. What's it called? I can't think of the name now. What's it called? It's a, I keep thinking unicorn. It's not a unicorn. What's it called? Minotaur. Menatar. Thank you. Look up Minotar, chainsaw, robot. That will pop it up. It's demon, bro. It's like humanoid, but it has horns, and they say they're for like antenna. So it can be like extra sensory.

But like, so if you're an evil spirit, if you're an evil spirit, if you're in the spirit of bail, wouldn't you want to be a cow? Yeah. I mean, like, you're giving him a house. You're giving him the house he wants. It's just like, I mean, oh my gosh, dude. Like, it's not ignorant. I'm sorry. It's not ignorance.

It's just through culture. we're going to do it this way and we're going to just, you're going to let the conspiracy theorists like Tony Merkel, run crazy, make it look ridiculous so that we can just still do it and then all of a sudden,

to da, bail is walking the streets in a physical manifestation. Glowing red eyes and a chainsaw. Bro. And he's like, welcome to my crew. I'm Bail. This is Hathor.

This is Lilith. My little brother Moloch. Molo's on his way. The giant owl flying around. Okay. Okay. Stay on this for one second. I'm going to share it.

Got it? Okay, it's so good. I have not seen that. You haven't seen it? That is so crazy. I can't believe you haven't seen it. You shared it. I think we shared it.

I just assumed you guys would see it. Like, is you're not, is your algorithm not caught up to mine yet? Probably not. Look at that thing, man. That is crazy. Yeah.

Dude. Look at that. Look at the eyes. Why are you making it look like a demon, bro? What? Like, that's straight up horror movie. Oh my gosh. And you know, it's like,

I don't even watch movies. You know, No, they know what this looks like, man. It's because these Silicon Valley dorks, they actually worship ball. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Even you can prevent forest fires. Yeah.

Jeez, man. I would not be... I bet Isaac Wysop went nuts on that. I bet he had some serious things to say. Imagine if that chased you if you started a forest fire. No one would start a forest fire. You get the match out and all of that peaks out from behind the tree. It's like, okay, just kidding.

No, thank you. all of a sense, like, I know what you did last week in the forest. Chases you down. Instead of, I know what you did last summer. Yeah. Yeah, that's so good. Gosh, man. That's crazy stuff, right?

That is insane. I can't believe you haven't seen that. That was a wild one. Yeah. It's straight up. That's not even edited. Like, that looks demonic. Yeah.

Yeah. And the animated ones are just as scary. It actually is, like, moves really fast over crazy terrain. I saw a chain saw a graphic where it was talking about how you can kill it, like, take it out and stuff. And, like, where you can shoot it and stuff. And it's pretty indestructible. I guess you just kind of want to, like, tie, get a tripped up around the legs and make it fall over or something. I don't know.

It's crazy stuff. Like, can you imagine, like, dystopia, we're running from the elite government. We're out living in the wilderness. Society has fallen. And we're not running from the elites. We're running from the robots, the elites control. And all of a sudden, all the only is why you know you're being chased. Like, you're out there.

You're at your campfire. Your little community with some walls up. And you're, okay, we're good out here. bro. I'll see yours. Nging. Ging. Oh,

you got to run again. You know, you had that idea of making like a survivor's handbook and there's going to be like a whole chapter on how to defeat

the AI robots. Yes. Yes. You take this one out this way. Right. You get Grandpa's pacemaker and shock

him in the head. There's got to be a t-shirt design in this somewhere, boys. Think of a tissue design. We got to do a free order. We got to do a free order. I want the demon.

No, I don't want demons on the shirts. We got to figure something out. We'll get it. We'll slingshide it something. I don't know. Oh, yeah, slingshot, we're just shooting it across the sky. No, I don't know. Anyways,

moving on. Moving on. What are we going to talk about today? Oh, it's right, holes. Holes. Exciting, isn't it? We're going to talk about holes today. Yes, the movie Holes. He's got it back. Listen, guys, so when I was driving truck, I almost got in this earlier, but I jumped the gun.

When I was driving truck, I would listen to, you know, different shows. Rogan was on on rotation. Clyde Lewis was another one on rotation. And I probably heard about this from Clyde, right?

And it was this whole story of this thing called Mel's Hole. And I was like, what the crap is a Mel's Hole? And I started, you know, looking probably on YouTube and trying to understand this whole legend, right? And we're going

to get into that legend today. But the reason why we're talking about this idea is because there's another guy now that popped up on social media. And I don't know how many people saw this guy. He just kind of popped in my feed. And anytime somebody's standing next to a giant hole on the ground with a fishing pole, I'm interested. You know, like, it doesn't take much for me. That got me. I was like, what is this about? You know? And he's, and he, he, it reminded me a Mel's whole, man, this whole thing. And I feel like, like, listen, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't all I know

is that unlike Mel's hole unlike the other stories that we have today we actually have somebody standing in front of a gigantic hole telling us there's something mysterious about it. You know? He might be lying. He might be like

this is a bottomless hole. I throw the stuff down and it just keeps going. And we don't know if it's true or not. But at least we're seeing a hole this time. You're not getting the whole story. We're not getting the whole story. But we will get the whole story later in the show. That's right.

That's right. Do you have a clip? Did I send you a clip? The guy with the fishing pool? I got to come up with a better cue. Like I always say, did I send you to clip to cue him? Maybe I should say, Jack, bring the clip up. I got to trust that.

There you go. That's what you guys say. Yeah, Jack, bring the clip up. Bring the clip I sent you. All right. I saw assholes back here again with the fishing pole tied to a GoPro and a 2,500 pound magnet. We came up here last time to this hole down here.

And my camera was spinning because I didn't have some. swibbles. So today I have swivels and I'm bringing a magnet. We're going to try this again. Hopefully get some better footage. The last time we saw all kind of cool sparkly stuff. People thought diamonds, emeralds. Okay, here we go. Now for the GoPro footage. Now, there's something on the bottom. I can't make it out, but it looks like maybe a coyote or something. Or demon? I've got a leg behind me so you can't really fall in. Well, there's a ledge in front of me. But this is straight down. I had to mute it right here because this is where my fiance and I got on an argument because for some reason she has to stand right at the edge of this hole and then

she gets mad at me for saving her life but everything's fine now we have a little tiff but everybody's happy except for her it's great it's still going wow this is what i do when i'm on the toilet i just watch whole videos we're going again we're standing from yeah yeah how deep does that hole go You know, it's kind of where much better. Do you know where he's located? I don't know. It looked like the Pacific Northwest. Kind of like where everything else is.

That's holy. Yeah. Huh. I want to say like Montana or further west. We should actually reach out to him. I didn't even think about that. So you can still hear them, though. So, like, it's not.

I don't know. I don't know how deep that is. Not trying to put a damn. No, I totally get it. I totally get it. Like, but where's the whole comfort, man? Yeah. It looks like something borrowed a hole. I'm going to slow it down for a minute, but doesn't that look like a coyote right there? Hard to say, man. It's really hard to tell. Yeah.

Here it comes back in the screen again, but boy, that sure looks like a dog to me down there at the bottom. Okay, what the hell is this? Now watch, ready? Dude. Did you see that? That is a face. This thing is definitely haunted. I didn't notice that the first time.

But look at that. I don't know what the hell that is. Bro. Dang, son. That's crazy. So listen, we got ourselves a real hole. By the way, just want to acknowledge the fact that we got new lenses on the camera, and I know I'm looking crispy.

All right. So moving on. Wow. I just got... 80? When you switched to the screen, I saw me on camera. again, I was like, dang, man, those lenses are good. You're straight to 6K.

Yeah. But we got a legit hole on video. Let's just say, I don't know. I don't know where the hole comes from. I don't know who dug it, how it got dug. Didn't seem like there was a bunch of rubble. We're going to get into a story a little bit later about a guy talking about how he was hired to dig a hole. And I'm thinking, is this one of the.

those sites where somebody that's very rich looking for something very rare and mysterious is hiring people on Craigslist and saying hey I got a fence for you to build and then they throw them in the back of the truck and they're like you're digging a hole you're not leaving until you're done you know

like that's kind of what happened to the dude essentially and I might have been bellised just a little bit but it's like is that what happened here or is there something more supernatural involved with the formation of this hole like he's like, it looks like there's a coyote down there, right?

Then he's like, there's a face down there. It's haunted. It looked like there's eyeshine glowing, right? So, like, I don't know. Like, we just had last week in the future, we're going to have an episode coming, but we had these guys in last week. And one of the guys, for the roundtable discussion we had,

we had a second heaven roundtable discussion. It was phenomenal. The roundtable discussion is going to go the week of Halloween, just so you guys know. He said that the dogmen, that people, experience are foot soldiers from the other side. And so I'm like seeing this and I'm thinking, I don't know, could this be something of that nature where you got like guardians of the portal entryway, the foot soldiers, is this one of

those in and out spots that come in, they go out? Could be. I don't know. Let's live a little and have some fun. The hole looks like it was dug out. Like it looks like something a woodchuck would have like chucked, chuck. Yeah. How much wood, though?

No wood, just dirt. All right, a groundhog. A groundhog dug a hole. But, I mean, it looks like it was dug out, and it looks like it goes straight down, which is really crazy. And that entity at the bottom, very bizarre. I couldn't, like, quite see it perfectly, but, like, I wouldn't want to be down there. See, I would ask Jack to replay it, but I don't want to figure it out and then lose the mystery. So we're just going to let it ride.

We're just going to let it ride. It'll be one of those good replay spots for YouTube, right? Yeah. Go back 100 times and watch it over and over and over again. But, no, so, I mean, that kind of, like, sparked my imagination with everything. So I was like, this is like another Mel's hole kind of thing. Like, this is Mel. Like, essentially this is Mel, only on IG.

Well, Mel's hole had like two holes he found, right? Well, no, he didn't find two holes. He was brought to the second one. Oh, okay. So Mel, when he first started this, when this journey story started, it started on Art Bell. And Mel says that there was a hole on his property that was always there. And him and his wife would throw trash down there, appliances. They just use it as like a trash pit.

And I don't know, like, I don't remember like how long it took for him to be living there and doing this. And he's like, I never see like the trash pile up, you know? And so like, he's like, you know, I wonder how deep this hole goes. You know, how many years can I throw my trash in here before I have to find a new hole? And, you know, newsflash, he finds a new hole somewhere else. But he didn't find it. He takes fishing line, which is why I was watching this guy and I was like, this is like Mel's hole.

So maybe he knows where the hole came from. Maybe there's a logical explanation and he's just creating this urban legend, you know, 2.0, 30 years later to, you know, get some traction. And it worked. Yeah. It worked because I followed him and I played them on my show. you're welcome. Please come and talk to me if it's real because I do want to talk to you then. But it got me to think about the Mel stuff because Mel said that he threw a line, fishing

line down and he said it was 4,500 feet. And when he threw the fishing line down, 4,500 feet, I think what a mile is like 500 and 5,000, 280 feet. Right? Bat check me. 5,282 feet. I know. We will wait. We will wait. Ready? Yeah. Ready for the answer? I'm ready.

Are you sure you're ready? Am I wrong? Yes. It's on Remember the Titans, man. 5,280 feet. You picked that ball up and you run every one of them. Yeah, dude, I should have thought about Mile High City. Denver.

It's on their court. All right, anyways, we're not going to talk about basketball day, guys. Don't worry. So he throws this fishing line down. It's nearly a mile long. Which is crazy. And no bottom. So he adds another line, doubles it.

And he throws, I think it was like lifesavers on the end of it. And he's like, if there's water down there, they'll dissolve, throws him down, nothing. And he says he did this over and over and over again, adding to it and eventually got to 80,000 feet. Bro, if you're going to tell a story, make it believable. But maybe, you know, like, I don't know. What if the hole that he's throwing things into is actually in this dimension only 500 feet deep? but he just transcended realms and just keeps going because now he's like upside down

and there's a fishing line coming down from the sky and the upside down. Jeez. I don't know. That's 15 miles. It's a long way. That's 15 miles down. I think they said, what was it?

The deepest hole they've ever dug with drills is like eight miles or something like that. That one is 40,230 feet and it's the Kola Super Deep borehole in Russia. Oh, that's when we're talking about for. Yeah.

Yeah. So, I mean, that right there is like, I don't know, really. But as the story goes on, there are some interesting things with it that just kind of like, I can't, I can't totally throw it away. And I don't want to. I wish I could say I do. I wish I could say I want to just disregard. But your logical brain takes over. It's too much fun. This is too much fun. So he goes on our bell and tells them, you know, all this stuff. And I guess the first thing, time he went on Art Bell, after he got off, he goes and he goes home and there's like military that showed up to the property. You're shaking your head yes to me. I don't know. I have it. Oh, I give you a clip. If you want to play it. Oh, yeah, let's do it. That one I wasn't even ready for. He's he cued himself. I mean, he's even sick and he's on the game, man. Like, my goodness. Maybe my audience is not aware, but a television crew went up to Ellensburg after we the last program and researched this.

And I'll be doggone. They didn't find the hole, but they did find near the area where you were talking about a lot of military bootprints and all kinds of information that wouldn't indicate the military, in fact, had been there or was there. Oh, they would have probably seen a lot of yellow gear tread marks on the ground. Yep, yep, yep, yep. So, like, right there, shout out to, gosh, what is his name? I keep forgetting.

AJ, I think. AJ. AJ, Y. Files. They featured the confessionals briefly on their show in the history of their show, probably like three or four years ago. Thanks, AJ. Appreciate it. Hey. Anytime. So that is where I can't let it go. Because Art Bell is like a TV crew went up there and found evidence of what you're claiming. Now, they didn't find the hole, but they found evidence of military blueprint.

type of stuff in the area. And I'm like, dude, like, what if... Well, you would know the military would go there just to close the hole. Oh, for sure. For sure. Like, you're not expecting to find the hole. Bro, I'm totally getting there. Okay.

Because I... All these different holes that pop up seemingly at random. What if there is something to it where it's like super net... Like, you know, I don't care. Whatever. I love bringing up the idea of stranger things. But the way they break through realms and like what if there's something to this? And the military comes in to clean it up because they ain't trying to have that, right?

So one of the things that that happened was what was it called? I have it down here somewhere. It was called, oh, come on. I even highlighted it. Where is it at? Don't, don't, don't move off of this. I'm going to get it. Yeah, I know.

What's it called? Darn it. I wrote it down somewhere. Oh, there it is. Terra Server. So before Google Maps, there was a service called Terra Server. And on Terra Server, where Mel's whole property was, it was blacked out before Google Maps.

And Terra Server, Terra Server, whatever, Terra Server, it didn't start until after Mel came out with this story. So it's not even like Mel could have said, oh, yeah, it's here. And then they look up and be like, oh, it's blacked out. That service didn't exist when he came out publicly. And so there's that that makes you scratch your head. People say they believe they might have found the location. Okay. And Mel talked about how there was old buildings on the property and one of them collapsed due to the snow weight.

And they found this property that seems to be where he's talking about and it has these two old buildings that one collapsed. Maybe from snow pressure, we don't know, but they're very old, you know. And not far from there. So Mel describes this hole as having like a stone I want to say barrier but it's not like it's like going down like this stone for like 15 feet and then it just opens up into just a dirt hole kind of thing. So like there's like some kind of structure to it.

They found that and it's a hole with these stones and stuff and people are like oh it's just a well though. There's a bottom to it. And that's where I'm wondering. Did the government come in and close shop up? whatever that was, close it up, fill it up, out. Because he said when he showed up back to his property, he was greeted by a guy that was dressed in like civilian clothing or something like that.

And the guy said to him, basically, your property is not your property anymore. And if you tell anybody about it, if you go to the news or anything, bad things might happen to you. So what would be problematic about having a deep hole in your property? Because it goes to another world. Fair. Do you think there could be subterranean creatures? Subterranean creatures? Dude, we have the guys coming in next month.

Kemen Den, the treasure hunters. They found nine tons, I believe, of Civil War gold in the ground in Pennsylvania. It was worth like hundreds of millions of dollars. And the government dug that hole in the middle of the night, took the money, the gold, and left. They were on the show years ago. They're coming back down. They're coming back down. It's going to be awesome. But what if it's something like that?

But what are you saying? Sorry, that was just a random. What if it's like, what if they know there's civilization or organisms that could dig holes like the one that he just showed us in this Instagram? Yeah. Like demigorgans. I don't know, man. And then they're digging their way up to the surface. And so they have to go around and like close them off because it's access points.

Yeah. So like not just spiritual, but like biological entities. Oh, 100%. So, So you got to get to be hype on this. And I didn't even have four shots. I'm just high on life. He's high on life.

So these things that transcend realms, when they're here, they're biological. They're very physical. I think they have a DNA. So, like, I mean, when you're talking about fallen angels procreating, there's a level of biology there that does exist. And so it, you got to open. that bad boy up more and think, okay, if that's happening, what else is happening? How else is it possible? You know, like, these things that manifest into people's rooms as like a shadow figure,

and then all of a sudden it manifests to the point that it leaves marks on their body, there's physical aspects of that. So when it comes to this stuff, like, heck yeah, bro. Like maybe, I don't know, it could be all of them. Dog man, Bigfoot, moth, man. They're all coming out of the holes. Well, I mean, that's like revelation, right? Like the beast coming up from the earth. Like, is there an army under the earth, like ready? And, they have access points that the military has to close off. Bro. We're never going to get off this door now.

We're never. We're not going anywhere. That's fair. We keep on digging a deeper and deeper hole. I don't think this is as cool as Derek's. This is my thought. Keep you going, Jack. I'm loving it.

This is so much fun. What if it's like the inverse of the Tower of Babel? And whatever is above is trying to dig to a level to hit, the shield or whatever, you know. Wow, so they're trapped on the surface trying to go home, like, and dig down. Yeah. Or to release their buddies. All right.

So Mount Hermann's closed, and they need to find another entrance. So they go to Washington State. They'd be digging holes in Washington. Jesus closed that gate down. The gates of Haiti shall not prevail. They're like, dang, we got to dig another hole. Man. Yeah.

You know what I mean? That's fun. I'm having fun with this conversation. But like, there's a mysterious nature here to it that should, there's all that, but it shouldn't be lost on the fact that like this whole Mel's whole thing. We haven't gotten to the second round of it, right? But I'll jump to the end before we even do that. And I'll just say, I feel like there is a world where this legend of Mel's hole,

which people traditionally, I think they write off. And I did for a while. because I was like, oh, you know, everybody knows more than me. So, you know, I think there might be a world where there's parts of Mel's hole that is real. And it was actually infiltrated by government ops to muddy the waters of the story. And so, like, if you listen back to the story, and I didn't make notes of like the details, but when you start listening back to the story, there's some parts of the story that feels like it was inserted. Like, like, almost like, I don't know.

I can't think of an example. but just to me, I'm thinking, what if like the Mel's whole thing? Let's do, let's just do this. Maybe Mel's in on it. What if Mel reached out to our bell and says he has this hole on his property, it's mysterious, dogs don't like going near it. My neighbor threw his dead dog down the hole. And then days later, the dog is walking around. And my neighbor called his dog and acting like he didn't know him and walked away. Like all this mysterious stuff. And so he goes on the first time because he said after the first time is when the military showed up. What if after after? Everything that happens after the military showed up is all just made up to make a story so preposterous that nobody believes it. But in reality, it's rooted in a truth. So you're saying there's a true story that they then manipulated to make it so ridiculous that no one would believe it. I'm not saying it. I'm suggesting it a possibility. I think that's a fair assumption.

I mean, they're going to deceive us and mislead us intentionally to form our own conclusions. to form our own conclusions feeling like it was our own choice, but it wasn't because they give us bad information. So, and if I remember correctly, and I could be wrong, there's probably people watching right now that have memorized the story, right?

But I believe the first time he went on our bell, he talks about this mysterious hole, it being bottomless, sending, you know, fishing line down, his neighbor throwing the trash in the hole, or his dead dog in the hole, and then it reappearing. So what if, let's just say that's true,

Hold on. Let's just say that's true. And then the dog is walking around. It's not really his dog because it came from another spot. Or possibly, maybe, I don't know, possibly. Dead dog goes in a hole, gets possessed by a demon, comes out possessed. It's a dead dog walking around possessed by a demon. I don't know. But part of this story is that in, I think in Nevada,

he gets contacted by, Mel, gets contacted by Native Americans who have a bottomless, hole. And so he is invited to come investigate it. And they throw ice down the hole. And when it comes back up, it was on fire, I think, or something like that. It was like mysterious. Like, yeah, because they were actually using the fire to heat like their homes because it was like, it wasn't going out. And so one of the things, they took a goat and sent a goat down in the cage. And when they pulled the goat out, the goat looked fine, but it was dead. But it had a tumor on the inside. They open it up. They cut the tumor open. And there's this like dead or not dead, like baby fetal seal inside this tumor. Like a legit like seal, the animal seal. With human eyes,

hold on, hold on, with human eyes that is alive and crawls around. They look at it right now. I know, I know. They look at it. It, as the story goes, it looks back at them one last time before it jumps back into the hole. So what if Mel's whole, the first time we ever heard from Mel was a true, mysterious thing that the government came in, took over, added to the story such preposterousness that we won't even consider the first time we heard from Mel as being anything other than this crazy legend that somebody is a master at lying? I don't know. Nice. So it made a tumor in the go. It's not a tumor.

It's not a tumor. And it within the mass was a seal-like entity that was alive. Like a legit seal, not see, seal, seal, like a seal. Yeah, it was like a seal. Yeah. It was a seal. It was a fetal, a fetal, a fetus seal. Like a baby seal that wasn't born yet with human eyes.

That came out of the tumor. So it wasn't a seal if I had a human eyes. No, no. It's just a seal from upside down. Some weird blob thing with fins and human eyes. wonder if these new lenses catch me spitting more. Probably. That's interesting.

Let me know in the chat if you see me spitting when I'm talking about it. And I'll get my spit guard up and we'll block it. No, why would you do that? I'm just kidding. I would do that. You just did. Well, no, I mean, I didn't actually do that. Yeah.

Oh, sorry. Let me know if you saw that. What if it was like possessing the goat but then as it came into the physical realm became physical. So that was actually a spiritual entity that became physical. Biological entity becoming physical because it's here in this side of it. Yes. Yes.

I'm here for it. I'm here for all that. Isn't that insane? Yes. Oh, my gosh. That's what I was saying. Like, when you look at the legend, yes, there's ridiculous parts of it. But, like, so part of it is that he said that he was offered, I think it was $3 million a year to not, to basically lease the property out.

and to leave the country. And he was gone for, I think, two years. He came back early and there was repercussions for that, all that, right? What if that's partially true? And they're just like, you're going to leave, you're going to leave, or you're going to not be here anymore. And so he's like, okay, I'm going to leave, you know? Like, there's so many parts of it that I'm just like, ah, maybe.

But that, I'm telling you, man, I can't get off the fact that the first time we've heard from Mel might have been truthful. And the rest of it was just like, eh, a stretch because it was obfuscated by, is that the right word? Offuscated. IQ time. Yeah, I'm going to move on rolling now. Sean Ryan's coming. Oh, yeah.

First Sean Ryan, then Joe Rogan, then the king of the world. What are you going to say? Come on, man, don't even hanging on that note. Let him move off. Let him move off that. You got to move on another thought. Come on, give me something. That was so bad.

Come on. I'm literally waiting for something to load so that I could say something. Okay, so speaking of seal things and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. There's seal people in Alaskan culture, and they have, like, seal. I looked up if there were seal spirits at all in anything, right? Because I was interested in that. They have the Yupik-Quinnu-whate, whatever.

Anyway, but there's seal people. That's what they call themselves, or seal. persons. They're human-like faces, bodies resembling bearded seals, distinctive cries or calls, holes in their hands or shoulders, and the ability to be encountered, swimming or out on the ice. And so, I mean, there's other ones, too. I'm not going to keep going on and boring, you know, with this because the spirit behind the seals and all the stuff.

But there's at least some kind of lore behind the possibility of that in general that people have talked about, not just in northern climates, but elsewhere. So, you know, to me, that's kind of interesting. Right. So, like, are they accessing the subterranean realm altogether? Like, we already have, like, unidentified sub-aquatic, like, objects, right? The USOs. And then are we also seeing another realm underneath the crust, like, with seal people or these other things that are going on? Like, it just seems so wild. It's so. It's so. So wild. Listen,

certainly the whole story can't be true. Sure. It can't be true. I would love it, but I don't, it can't be. But can a little bit of it be true?

Or is Mel really somebody who called in is an expert liar? It carried on this story for years. And Art Bell just let it go because it was a good story. Historically though, I mean, we know like even like Pan, like when Jesus was there,

that's a cave, right? Like that was, they always reference those as the entrance points to hell. So like caves are always known to have spiritual activity, to have like echoing and voices and weird anomalies that occur subterranially. So like if we have these holes that are going straight down thousands of feet, like why would it be any different than all the other like historical documented spiritual

connotations to caves that we've seen throughout human history. Good point. You know? So it's weird, but like we don't know. We like, we're surface dwellers, right? Like how far underneath the ground have you ever been? I went to the lost sea. I think I was 40 feet under the ground in a cave, you know?

And that was very controlled. So we don't have no idea what's below us. They say there's caverns all the way, even from like the Mississippi River all through Tennessee. like, you know, beside even the mammoth cave system, that there's just giant gaping holes throughout the subterranean aspect. And we're just on top, oblivious to all of it. Yeah.

So it wouldn't be surprising if, like, the deep sea has crazy crustaceans that can live off of volcanic, sulfuric water, that there could be weird things deep below the crust of the earth. I agree. Well, and then you get into, like, the lore behind.

what was in that hole in Russia. And when they dropped the mic down there and were here, or was it that hole? Yes. And they're hearing the spirits or like the chains and the, I mean, the insanity that was that sounded like screaming. I think it was like streaming. That's right.

Can you see if you can find that? Yeah, your video. My video. Yeah, didn't you react to that? Did I? Oh, no, no. That's the Euphrates River. Oh.

Yeah, that's the Euphrates. No, but there was one. Okay, I'll find it. There's audio of it. Oh, gosh. I haven't listened to it in years. Look up. I want to say it's Russia.

So say Russian whole Demon voices. You're good. And it should come up. Sit up? You're good. I'm going more specific so you can keep talking. Okay.

And I can find it 100%. Yeah. Because it's very interesting. I remember when I heard that I was taken back by it and I called our sister. I don't know why I called her. Like, Tanya, I don't know. I just, maybe nobody else answered.

But Tanya answered. I was like, this out. And she's like, that sounds evil. I'm like, I know. But is it real? I don't know. Maybe it's not real. But there's sounds that they capture from deep underwater that sound otherworldly as well. And they're like, we don't know what this is. Nothing, we don't have that documented at all. So, yeah, I don't know. Turn that down. You got it. Yeah, you ready? Yeah. I almost call you Jamie because you're so good. Jack. Jamie. All right. It's the deepest man-made hole on the planet.

And there were some horrifying rumors about what they found at the bottom. It's known as the Kola Super Deep microphone down into the hole and captured this audio. Now this recording of what they call screams. No, keep going. That guy decided he was going to talk. He's just a talker. Oh, is there anymore? I got to find a better one.

Just flip down. It's probably another one. Okay. Just go hit the down. They drilled so deep. They heard something no one could explain. AI voice. In the 1970.

Have you ever heard of the well to hell? Check this out. Back in the 1980s. This is the deepest man-made hole on earth. But when they reached the bottom of the hole, they heard something very terrifying. This project was located in Russia and after drilling for 19 years. They sent a microphone down the hole and this is what they heard. Most people believe they drill.

What do you think? What do you think? Pastor. She-ol. Yeah. Right. So that hole is seven miles deep. So, like, that's seven miles under the surface.

That's what they're hearing. So that's kind of nuts. It's very nuts. Very, very nuts. Man, crazy stuff. Crazy stuff. Listen, so that's Mel's hole. We've gone all over the world of the holes.

Let's take it away to the whole story, though. Because there's a documentary. Did we forget, remember his name? Elijah Sullivan. Sullivan. Elijah Sullivan created a documentary called. called The Whole Story. And it's about this mysterious nature of these.

I don't know if he's focusing on the one hole or all. I'm sure it's just the one. It's the one that the guy claims he dug. Yeah. Jack, bring that cue up. I actually have no idea which one you want to bring up right now. The guy in the studio, close up the white guy telling his holes. He's like 30.

Okay. All right. Yeah. So, yeah, play that. And then I'll fill in the gaps when he's done talking about. Man, this is such good cameras. Like, like a giant hole. hole in the woods. I eventually asked, like, what are we looking for? And the demeanor changed a bit

on the crew when I asked that question. And I was told, we don't know. But if we find anything strange, we're going to hand it off to the guy who's actually running this. But every time we found something, we would pull it out of the hole. And the rule was instantly, everyone faces away. When we first found the first few things, that's when it really started kicking in, like, why are we doing it this way? And it was no every time. And it was just, all right, back to work. And then then one day we found what they were looking for. Yeah, that's nothing.

That's nothing. Because what he said was, because I watched the whole video. I'm telling you, man. Part two. Is there a part two? Yeah. Part two?

Part two? Yeah. Cool. Let's do it. Okay. Because, like, man, I, give me a good hole story. I love it.

I'm just, mysterious holes, man. Hired to go to Mount Shasta and dig a hole, and they would not tell us what we were looking for. If I found anything that seemed out of the ordinary, I was told to pull it out and face the opposite direction. Boulders were pulling these boulders out. It's about basketball sized.

And when they were split, the inside was dark. There's no quartz crystals in it. Like, the fuck are we doing out here? They won't tell us anything. You think that's just going to end the moment we find what they're looking for. It got to the point where we were nervous of what we found. And if they were going to let us step off of that mountain. Yeah, man.

So he goes and how he started this, This was a Craigslist ad. I think it was in 2009-ish. He was looking to make some extra money. And the ad was like, need to build a fence, need handyman. And he shows up. And he meets the guy. They get, I think in his truck.

They drive up the mountain. I think it was Mount Shasta. And he meets this other crew of guys. And he's the new guy. And they hike into the woods to this hole. And they just start digging. And he just, he's there for the money. So he doesn't really ask.

questions. They said that like when he's talking to the other guys that they all were hired to do something different. So like none of them had the same job like they all were like, oh, I'm here to excavate rocks or I'm here to build a fence. And so like they all had different job descriptors as they came in. So they're like, what are we doing? What are we doing out here? He said that when they were digging, I forget what the detail was, but he realized that they were doing something the hard way. And he spoke up and he's like, why don't we just do yada yada yada? And they all kind of looked

at him and they're like, oh, that's a good point, you know? And they started doing it his way and the guy who was in charge of it kind of like socially started zeroing in on him as the smarter one of the group. And he he knew how to split the rocks, right? Yeah, he did know how to split the rocks. And I don't remember

that detail of the rocks being black inside. But so the person that does this whole excavation that's in charge there on the scene, it seems like he wasn't the guy. He was hired to hire a crew to look for something.

And he had a boss he had to check in with because whenever they found something, they had to turn around the opposite direction. They couldn't look. And they had to face the hole while they were looking at whatever they brought up. And then he would call in and say, we have it, we don't have it, whatever it is.

But he goes home and he's hanging out with a friend or something. And he tells his friend what he's doing. And his friend, says something to him that never dawned on him. His friend's like, how do you know whatever you're looking for once you find it and they have you turn around?

They don't just kick you into the hole. And he's like, oh, oh. But you know what he did? He went back up there because he needed the money. He's like, I'm already in it. I got to find out now. Yeah, they said there was also like a giant boulder at the top of the hole. So they were scared that they were just throw them all in and put the boulder on top.

Yeah. And then the whole hole would be gone. A hole. Yeah, the hole hole hole. The whole hole. Okay, so we have this man-made hole that was Doug. And they were looking for something mysterious. Is that what the IG guy came across?

Did he come across one of those? Because in his story, you know, Mel's story is 80,000 feet, no end, goes to the upside down. We have monsters coming out. It's crazy. But what if the guy on IG? came across one of those holes and they found

whatever they're looking for and we're just seeing the remnants of something where somebody in the know an elite is hiring crews of guys to be muscle to dig these holes.

Were they looking for those like geode rocks or was it something else I get the sense that they were looking for some kind of geographical structure whether it's artificial or natural, some kind of archaeology type thing, you know. Does he ever say what caused them to stop?

Nope, and that drives me nuts. It was like an open-ended thing. I don't think he knew what they found. It was just one day they were done. In the story in a different interview he does, he says that he actually gets called by the head guy to take his truck up there in the middle of the night and they end up loading all the rocks in the back of the truck. And then they end up meeting a U-Haul and then they ship all the rock.

out. So, like, the rocks, that's what Jack's, like, alluding to, is that if they're geoid, you know, a geoid. So it's, um, basically it's an encapsulated, like, there's, it's usually around volcanic activity. So, like, the really hot volcanic lava will create little pockets of time almost. And so inside is something stuck in the rock. Usually crystal. Usually it crystallizes because of the heat. Okay. But he said it, it. It was like black powder. And so what's weird... I've seen those around. Yeah. We have those laying around the house. Yeah.

Yeah. So, but gigantic basketball sides one with black stuff in it. So I did a little sleuthing. And it turns out that in alchemy, like, there's actually a lot of usage for black powder stuff to create, like, the philosopher's stone. They have like the eagle stone and like the black earth if it's encapsulated in that time is actually purified

they would consider it like purified it's also related to Saturn so like what the heck like during the cataclysm like what if they're capturing things from the cataclysm that they're like for what? Unearthing.

In the days of Noah so shall it be. Dude I don't know because the area is really weird as well Mount Shasta has a group called the I Am Movement. Wait, Mount Shasta has what? There's a whole religious group that like basically dwells on the mountain. And they're called the I Am Movement?

I am movement. Okay. And so this area, someone actually encounters who they believe to be St. Germain, who they think is actually like an ascended master. This is back in 1930. So the IM group or the Brotherhood of Mount Shasta is also another name like a correlated religious group. They're looking for something, I believe, to go after alchemical occult practice stuff. So they're trying to find things in the earth to who knows what.

That's just my own belief on it because I'm here for it. St. Germain, this whole belief system is. they think there's actually a Lemoria or Talos, there's like this subterranean culture underneath the mountain and people groups living under the mountain.

And so like St. Germain who allegedly had, he's an alchemist and he also created the elixir of life. And so he appears to this gentleman in 1930, still really young, even though he was born. And I think he died in 1784

as the record shows. But then there's a whole, like it's insane. because St. Germain is also known for vampire lore in New Orleans. And he came over into New Orleans in like 1890 between that and 1903. And so if he ends up coming out to Mount Shasta, I don't know, man. It's just really weird. There's like this whole like Gnostic belief system around it.

The I am. There's a spiritualism that's involved in all of it. So you're talking about like these rifting between realms. Like are we going into the spiritual. around when we're going too deep down, right? Are they digging down? Is this an intentional? Are they getting downloads from their higher selves to go and search for these things to dig them back up? Dude, it very well could be that stuff. I, so this was, I think shortly after I moved to Tennessee, I was

I was racking my brain trying to figure out what I was going to call episode 692 to the Dark Shift because I obsessed over the story for years and I was like

how am I going to describe this in a title right? I was listening to a podcast and I don't remember what it was and I just started doing this like rabbit hole on Mount Shasta and I got distracted

the ADHD part of me got distracted when I came up with the name Dark Shift because of the episode I was listening to but the thing This guy was talking about, like, and I think what it was is he said, he was describing it as a shift where like he's all of a sudden, like, I don't know if he was like in the mountain or what, but like it was, it was, he's naturally on the mountain and then all of a sudden he's somewhere else. There was like this shift and I was like, the dark shift. That's what I'm going to call it. Oh, wow. Yeah. But like that's where it all came from. And now that I'm thinking about it, Mount Shasta, I mean, obviously it has all this legend lore. I mean, it's known for UFOs. I mean, it's just like. So much there, right?

Maybe we do something like that. Maybe we do like a special like, like, Jack, I want your opinion on this. Okay. A special members episode, episodes, series on Mount Shasta, where we just take, like, we, we look at it and we take all the legends of Mount Shasta and we categorize them. And per episode, we go through that. I think that would be a lot of fun. There's crazy stories. Yeah.

Crazy stories. I agree. Yeah. And with this St. Germain's situation and in the hole and all this stuff, I mean, we can make, we definitely have a lot of information. So, that'd be fun. Because I feel like Mount Shasta is something that comes up over the years in conversation, but we never, I never actually like dug into it. I think it might be fun. I'm going to be fun. And then I can do the producer chair and you can sit over here like those few episodes we did. I'm sure you want to do that again. I can mess up all the time. I was pushing buttons. I didn't know what I was doing. It was nuts. Jack does a good job. Is it like second nature now where you just kind of, you just feel it and just go? Yeah. It's like typing, you know, just no. No, what buttons are push.

So yeah. That's the whole story. That's the story. The whole story on the whole story. Holy. Is it a holy hole? I thought you were going to wrap that. Or is it a hellish hole?

Oh. So is it a holy hole? Is that the whole story on the holy hole? All right. All right. What? I don't know. I don't know.

I'm waiting to hear screaming. Listen, we've done an hour and a half broadcast, and I got way too excited about holes in the ground, and now I'm tired. And we have a guest that's coming to the studio, and I have to re-energize myself for the recording we're about to get into. So. You want me to make you some espresso? Oh, yeah. Can I have four shots, please? Sure.

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