The Confessionals - New UFO Files, Nazi Tech & the NHI Mystery | Slingshot Nation

Episode Date: July 19, 2026

Today we're breaking down the newest UFO document release and asking the questions almost nobody else is asking. We'll examine what these files actually say about non-human intelligence (NHI), why the government continues releasing information without providing any real context, and whether the public is being guided toward a predetermined conclusion rather than the truth. We'll also dive into the documents' references to German flying saucer projects, Project Paperclip, reverse-engineering claims, and the possibility that the UFO mystery has always been far more connected to hidden technology and interdimensional questions than extraterrestrials from outer space.Please consider donating to Ron Patton's GoFundMe. Any donation helps greatly: https://gofund.me/818cdbf11If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890🎟️ Enter the FREE TICKET Giveaway here 👉: [e-mail] Rising 2.0 Conference Tickets: https://bit.ly/3QWMYqN📕 Pre-order Tony's Book: https://a.co/d/0bJS3SaV🫈 Join us at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference: Tickets HereBecome a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyIVERMECTIN: twc.health/tonyVENICE AI: https://venice.ai/theconfessionalsRUMBLE WALLET: https://rumblewallet.onelink.me/bJsX/ConfessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media6726 Morganton RdP.O. Box #08Greenback, TN 37742SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jyorkofficialOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - Grace Boom ft. BAMNow on Spotify

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Slingshot season. Hey, let's run it. Hey, hey, hey, friends. Because we just couldn't get enough of you yesterday. We decided to come back again for round two. In all actuality, we did the government surveillance yesterday. And we talked about flock cameras and the advancement in the government surveillance and how they're doing the loophole for the Fourth Amendment and coming back around to basically private sector is the loophole so they can spy on you through private businesses.

And the private businesses are collecting your data and the government's getting access to that. So we talked about that yesterday. And it just didn't feel like it fit with what. we wanted to talk about today, which is the UAP drop, the fourth drop, and some of the interesting things that were in there, honestly, 100% honesty, I didn't even know there was a drop until Derek told me. And Derek was like, wow, look, did you see the drop and all that stuff? And I was like, what are we talking about? And honestly, I didn't know until Daily Mail emailed me that there was a drop. Really? Yeah. We haven't answered them yet, have we? I've responded.

Did you? It was too late. Oh, okay. So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, doing it? I don't think so. Okay. I will not be seen on the Daily Mail. But thank you for thinking of me. Thank you for thinking of me, Daily Mail. Anyways, so we want to talk about this today, and Derek did a lot of deep dives. In fact, let me show you guys. We got all these government released documents that he has highlighted, and these are really the important ones that he wants to get into. So I had a numbered on the page one. And then there's a number it on the page one. And then backside to so we're really Derek's really going to get into it today

and he's going to take us on this magical journey and we're going to enjoy it. It is going to be a good conversation though because one of the things that we started as we were game planning this a couple of days ago one of the things that we really started contemplating is why is it that they're releasing all this stuff with zero context.

In fact, that question was presented on Woodward TV. Jay Woodward presented that question. And it really got my gears turning. It got me thinking about, you know, yeah, why is that? And we'll talk about it here in a few minutes. But before I take the show away to another universe, Derek, how are you? Good, sir. Excited to be here. Glad to do one more episode this week. One more. Don't get used to it. Don't get used to it. No, it's fun. It's fun. It's fun. Jack, buddy, how are you doing today? I'm swell, living life. Yeah. Lovita Loka.

What kind of shampoo are you using today? I'm using the Troy Palm Alu special. Okay. Okay. Conditioner? I like that one. It's always conditioner, baby. Oh, man, ladies, you know what I'm going to say.

So go ahead and execute. Email them. Execute. Execute plan me. Yes. Guys, if you didn't know, if you didn't watch yesterday's show, I announced yesterday that I'm going to be at the Smoking Mountain Bigfoot Conference, me, Jack, Derek, and some others will be at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference.

We were asked to, or I was asked to participate on a roundtable discussion there. And so we'll have a booth there as well. We'll sell some merch. And I don't know if Jack has it queued up, probably not, but if he can quickly, that'd be awesome. We have, well, he's showing you the website, but maybe you can show him the T-shirt too. Yeah. We're going to have a special World Premier T-shirt there. And if it, I don't know, maybe we'll, we'll put it on Merkmerch.com, but it's, it's kind of Tennessee specific.

We designed it for us going to the Smoking Mountain Bigfoot Conference. And so if you want to guarantee you having one of these shirts, you kind of got to come out to the conference and shake our hand. That's our way of bribing you to come meet us. Help us feel important. Come meet us at Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference. Catch me outside. Jack came up with that. Well, I forget who came up.

I think Jason came up with the design, but Jack came up with the slogan. And we kind of, I think we all kind of played with this image until we got it right. But I just love it. I love guns. I love Bigfoot and I love Camo Green. So, and I love Tennessee. So all my love is on one T-shirt and the confessional. So, yeah, we're going to be a smoking about Bigfoot conference.

There will be merch there. We'll have coffee that we are now creating. We're not creating coffee. No, we're not creating. We're not inventing the coffee. No. But we are, we do have our own branded coffee now that we'll be premiering at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference for sale.

And on MerkMurch.com, it's down still. But that's why, because we're trying to generate new stuff for the website. And there's a lot of background stuff that's going on. But you can get the coffee at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference. Also, friends, Remnant Rising 2.0. Did I say where the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot conference? was Gatlinburg, Tennessee. Gatlinburg, Tennessee.

I always say, like, if you're within five, six hours, but since it's such short notice, two to three hour drive, come on out to Gatlinburg, meet us, hang out with us. There's a lot of great speakers there. David Polite, this, Maria Mayor, Martin Groves, Seth Breedlove, so check us out. So Remnant Rising 2.0 is in Missouri. That's coming in, what, three weeks?

Is that super fast? I can't believe it's. I mean, the summer's almost over. My kids are going back to school. I'm just like, where'd the time go? I mean, it went somewhere. It's just like kind of wormed hold its way into non-existence. Thanks, Cern.

You can't blame Cern. You're going to blame Cern? Okay. Cern, slow time down, gave my time back. But now that I don't remember my time, I'm going to blame Cern again. Don't remember my... The Mandela effect of life. It's Cern's fault.

It's Cern's fault. So if you want to come and create memories with me in Missouri that I won't remember a few weeks later, come out to Remnant Rising 2.0. And the crew is going to be there. And this is going to get a lot of great speakers of John Pounders, Jamie Walden, Vicki Joy Anderson, the Gilberts. And like I said before, I really am excited to meet the Gilberts for the first time. And a fan favorite, Larry Raglan is going to be there. And honestly, I'm going to say this, but don't hold me to it. I don't know if it's true, but I keep on forgetting to ask him. And I keep on forgetting to say it. So I'm just going to say it.

If it's not true, then it's not true. I'm sorry. I think Joel is going to be there as well as a vendor. And so I think Joel Thomas is going to be there. I think I could be wrong, though. I'm probably wrong. But either way, I will be there. And we have ticket giveaways to do.

And that is the confessionals giveaway at gmail.com. After this week, how many weeks is there? One left for us to do a giveaway? Yes, I believe there's one more left. One giveaway left. All right. So if you don't get picked today for the giveaway, which is a free ticket to this conference, you have one more chance. But if you don't get that, it's okay because there is a discount code for your ticket.

So you can still come on a discounted because you heard about it here. The discount code is Merkel 20. You get $20 off your ticket. And I can still see you at a discounted rate. And so I hope to see you there. Heck yeah. Take us away. wheel. All right. So last week, I forget who it was Randy, I believe. Now, now, we have an extra

50-something, I think it's 53 that were added to the wheel this week. Look at that. So, without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, let's get to the wheel spin. How many people is that? I don't know. It's a lot. It's over 300. That is a lot of people. Yeah. So, let's see who wins. Drumroll. Andre M. Andre M. Congratulations. Andre M. Andre M. What was the first person that won?

That's a similar name. Wasn't it, Andre or was it Andrea? It might have been Andrea. Andrea. Okay. So we're having the drays. The drays are coming. So Andre M.

I will see you at Remnant Rising 2.0 in Missouri. Heck yeah. I'm excited to meet you. I'm excited to meet everybody who won tickets and people who don't win tickets. Come on out anyways. It's going to be a lot of fun. And I hope to meet you there. Again, the promo code for a discount is Merkle 20.

You get $20 off your ticket. if you use that promo code. And then that tells them that, hey, Merkel is worth our time. And they're like, hey, why don't you come back next year? And I'll say, I'll think about it. Missouri. Missouri.

Missouri. I've never been to Missouri. So I'm looking forward to it. And I guess last but not least, friends, before we get into the topic of the day, which kind of leads into it is the book that I wrote that's coming out in October, which is called The Confessionals.

I always stumble on the title of the book, which is literally the title of my show. It's on your hat. I'm like, it's called the, that's right, the confessionals. The confessionals exposing warring kingdoms. My journey through the supernatural is documented in this book in a way that I believe will change people's lives. And you can pre-order yours now right now on Amazon. It comes out in October. And the more people that pre-order, the more Amazon pushes it to other people.

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It's Cuban. So I'm close. Island boys. It's a different band, isn't it? Island boys? Yeah. Say something. after I said it, I was like, I don't know if I want to be an island boy.

There's so many things. And none of the island boy things I wanted to be part of, you know, those two dork bros that kissed each other a lot. Weird, weird, weird kids, man. These kids are these kids to these days. Speaking of weird. I'll tell you, exactly. Speaking of weird, these drafts are weird.

They're absolutely weird. And like I said in the beginning, one of the things that we got to thinking about was, why is it that they're releasing this stuff? And it's a good question to ask. Why is it that they're releasing these files and they're just mass dumping seemingly random files to the world? And there's nobody on the inside that's part of these drops that are sitting down and going through it with the public. And there's a lot of information. There's a lot of stuff they're dropping. So I can't expect them to go through every single one. But I mean, even like a like, like,

a podcast. You know, like every time they do a drop, like do an hour podcast where you're just kind of laying out context of what the purpose of this drop is. Like what is the purpose here? Is it just complete randomness with no context? And we started brainstorming and discussing, you know, why they are doing it this way. Because it doesn't seem if you sit back and look at it, it's not how I would do it. Like if I had a ton of information that is going to be world changing, I'd want to

to present it to people so they understand what I'm giving them. But they're not doing that. They're just throwing stuff out there and saying, me, you guys will figure it out. And I think that's probably part of the problem is that, not problem, but maybe their plan is that they want people to draw their own conclusions. So you have an entire mass public who's just drawing their own conclusions and saying, well, I think it's this and I think is this. And over time, that stuff gets sifted out to a general encompassing idea. And that becomes the truth. And that becomes the truth, which the government then never really had to tell you what's actually going on because the hive mind says, oh, well, that's what this is. And we see the pattern here in these

documents that they're going to get into. It seems like even at the very root of the topic, according to these documents. Now, we don't know how validated the people are that write these documents all, but these are documents that came from the government. And what they're saying inside seems to say that at the very root of the topic, it's been misidentified. It's been, it's been, misinterpreted. Maybe that's the whole point. Maybe that's the whole plan is that they expect people to misinterpret this so that they don't ever actually have to give you the real truth of what this is. Yeah. That's my spiel. And the, and I mean, the other thing, too, is like, you know, how much of how much of this can be considered fake because of the first drop and all the people that

or having outrage over some of the, you know, misidentified videos and images that were there and, like, even the reports of the cat man and all the stuff, like, or cat feline. Like, there were so many things that were just kind of, like, not necessarily valid, like, that couldn't be validated. And that alone from the first drop just immediately switches off a lot of the people that were at least somewhat interested in.

And that's a good point. I mean, you have the rounds that went on with that document that was, you know, this cat, feline alien thing that was not part of the drop. It was AI generated. It was fake. I think we broke that case here. Yes, we have that. But at the same time, you also have things that seemingly are misidentified, known things in the actual drop.

Like, that thing that had the parachute, did I just burp in the mic? I apologize. I did that not thinking. And then I was like, could I just do that? I am deeply sorry. I apologize. But the, that star thing that had the... Yeah, it was a flare that had a parachute on it.

Right. Yeah. And so, like, you have... They dropped it again, too. Twice? Yeah, there's a new one that we have like a... Okay, so this is what I'm saying. So they dropped that.

And at the same time, something that's not in there is being released. And both aren't necessarily true. one's very not true, right? Now they're dropping that again with no context. So now they dropped the first time. They saw, you can't tell me they didn't see. They saw the uproar. People saying, look at the parachute. Look at this. It's a flare. This is that the other. So they drop it another, again, either the same video or another one with no context. And it's like, why would they ever in a professional manner decide to do it this way unless it's intentional? Right. They show 10 seconds of a clip. Like, where's the rest of it? Where is it when they zoom out or like move to the left or right? It's like. Exactly. It's really strange. And even like Trump with whole aliens.gov, it's like he almost baited all of us into that. So that when it came out, we were all excited.

We click on it. We see a spaceship. And then it's just taking an illegal immigrant over the borderline. And we're just like, what the heck? It's a giant troll. We're getting trolled. And it's a giant troll. And the thing is that you see it.

You see that you're being trolled by your own government. But at the same time, you also. know the topic and is real and true. So you have to pay attention to it, knowing that you're being trolled at the same time, because you have to be on your toes because what if, like, what if you sit back and you're like, you know what, it's a giant troll, I'm done, I'm out. And the next drop is when they actually release information and it flies under the radar because everybody's tapping out. Right. And that's probably, that might be their, their angle. I think it is. I think they're slowly going to give, like even here, there was some interesting

tidbits that we were able to pull from. Yeah. Start getting some more close. clarity on the topic as a whole, like in NHIs, like technologies and all these things, you know, as we get into it today. But overall, it's such a slow moving process. Like, I'm more interested in looking at the pig ship, you know what I mean? Than anything else, because it's just been really difficult. You have to, like, read through all these barely well, like, they're, they're, they're not really well-written. They're really difficult to read. Chat, Cheap-T can't even pick up half the wording. So even if you're trying to do like searches, like they don't come up quickly. It's just really difficult. And like I said, I agree with you. The, that has to be intentional the way

they're doing it, as sloppy as they're doing it. It's the same. It's the same scenario for everything that they've talked about so far with with releasing documents and yada, yada. It's the Epstein files. What you said about what J.D. Vance had just said on Joe Rogan. Like all of this has been sloppily done, it feels like. And without real intent to actually, get information out there or release anything that would be at all substantial. I mean, with the Epstein files, it's like they released these, what, two or three workbooks to the social media people. And then on top of that, they ended up having all of the releases that they did online

that were like, you know, people's emails and reports that weren't validated or verified and like all this stuff. Now, we know that some of the stuff in there seems to be, you know, at least legitimate in some instances. But how much of that was just, you know, there to make it so that people couldn't actually sift through it well enough, just like these UFO files. Anything that's possible to be connected seems nearly impossible to make the connection. Like, what we're going to talk about today is something that just took to the fourth drop to actually have any type of connection with it. And, I mean, it's the same thing. Like, you just, you see all this garbage coming.

out and then at some point people shut off to it. You know, people have already said about the same thing with this stuff. It's like you get kind of like turned off to it because of how little has actually really been put out there. I mean, there's people out there that, you know, I believe that there's people out there that every day wake up anticipating excited for the next drop. You know, I think there's people out there that are never going to be tired of this and they're they get excited. They're waiting. There's people out there that are waiting for the drop to come. that actually admits what they've personally been through because that hasn't happened yet.

But then there's probably a large amount of people and I fall in this category and constantly have to fight against this feeling of just being like, ugh, whatever. And that's the danger. Yeah. The ich, whatever. And what you said, Derek, about these documents

that they're releasing, like, they're not the easiest documents to read. They're fuzzy. And listen, you can go into your public library and look at old newspapers on a computer screen, and they're more clear than what the government's releasing on these documents. And so it takes a very special person custom designed for this kind of work. And that would be you. That would be me. You read, you, I feel like you enjoy reading through this stuff.

And I'm like, I'm like squinting. I'm like, okay, I don't understand any of this. I had a really good energy drink when I started researching, so I think that's what helped me through. So I'm going to start on this image first, and then we can go into some of the technical stuff. Because we're talking about this drop and, you know, what's in it. And there's documents that we're going to go through. You have tons of documents here. And there's information that when you start piecing things together, it's like, okay, that's interesting.

right? I don't find this pig ship thing. I don't know if anybody else is calling it a pig ship. I call it a pig ship. It's great. But it reminds me of... I didn't see it at first. And then when you said it, I can't not unthink it. Like, it's right behind you. I see it right. Oh, it's a big ship. It reminds me of an angry birds pig king right there. Like, like... That's great. That's the high-depth. That's the upscaled version. That's the original. So it reminds me of like an evil pig. I was trying to figure out what it was.

Is it angry birds or is it the villain from Ninja Turtles? I don't know. But to me it looks like a flying, angry head, boarhead pig ship with weird legs and arms. Yeah. And what I did was I did put it in GPT. Yeah, somebody else did that. That's the original. That's the original.

and then some, I don't know what they did for that quality. I guess they probably ran through some filters or something for the other one. But could you play the video jack of the pig ship? Because it seems like it moves unless the camera moves. You see it zooming in here very slowly. And it looks like an object of some kind. And then as it starts coming into more clear view, you start noticing

the pig face you know like that's what it looks like to me like I can't be the only one to see angry like an angry pig head there's the pig snout the open mouth the evil eye the evil eye and then he just flies away

he just flies away I mean he probably got slingshot boys right Slingshot Nation he got shot out of slingshot there you go right he's on the move he's on the move But speaking of this side of it, Jack, could you show them the images that I had made? So the first one, the rock one. So I asked AI just to create a high-depth what it thinks it could look like with a high-quality camera, daytime picture.

And it came up with what I'm calling the rock ship. And, you know, maybe, you know, I don't know. Like, maybe, like, a muamua, mua. Amua? What is that? What is that? Well, you don't know. It's before your time with me.

Asteroid? The, the, the, um, I don't know if it was considered an asteroid, but it actually slowed down and then sped up in space. Oh, right. Louis, covered it to an extent. Uh, but yeah, Muamua was like this giant rock thing that actually slowed down in space as it was passing Earth and then sped up. Huh. Yeah. So, uh, show them.

one of the other ones. So I told it to make it metallic looking, and that's that one. Go to the biological one. There you go. That's like what I call the flying fish, you know? Look at the eyes at the bottom there. Eyes on the bottom. I don't think you got your pig memo there.

Yeah. No. I think Justin from Cryptos of the Corn would appreciate that one a lot. That looks like an old dinosaur. It does. It does. And then interdimensional. So that one is like the interdimensional cloud ship thing.

But this paints the reality that they gave us a picture or a video of something that is exotic and extreme with no context. And so we could go and say, this is what it looks like metallic or this is what it looks like a little rock. Or maybe it's just an angry bird pig head. You know, like we have no idea because they don't tell us anything. When they were making the AI image, like a little baby came along and was trying to play and like inserted the picture of the pig head. into, you know, the federal agent making this AI slop. Oops. Crack the case.

Crack the case. Crack the case. I mean, it's just, it's so not what we're expecting. We know what we're really looking for are silver discs. We're looking for ships. But are we? We're looking for tech. Well, yeah.

I mean, from people that have had encounters, from people that have had abductions, from people that have had abductions. We're looking for things that fit the narrative of what we've been told for the last 60, 70 years. Yeah. And what they give us is nothing. We see orbs of light

floating and moving in steady motions. They have the one thing flashing really quick that changes shape or something. I mean, it's perfectly in frame. I mean, I honestly think that could be AI too. It's just like, oh, the way these are all set up, the way these are all filmed, they just, they don't feel real to me.

No, I absolutely agree. they, here's a thing. So yesterday on yesterday's show, I brought up the whole Bigfoot thing and that mountain man that was holding the big foot and it was a bad picture. Yeah. And I replicated it with me, right?

And if, if I can do that with just my stupid chat GPT, the government has the ability to create anything it wants. And so we don't even know, like honestly, do we actually know the authentic nature of what they're releasing? Yeah.

You know? And it's, so, I don't think you have it in the queue here, Jack, so the Jason pictures is what I'd say to start getting ready to bring up. Oh, okay. But we're going to show the audience a, this was called a UAP

or a UFO of some kind that was here in Knoxville. Jason, our producer, for the show. This happened, I think, about a year ago, two years ago. I remember him texting me the pictures when it happened. And he said, this was like over my house or something like that.

It was in Knoxville. And it does remind me of the pig head. Not because it looks like a pig head, but it has this like no context. That's why when you said what we're looking for is silver discs, it's like, well, I trust Jason. Yeah. You know, and I think his wife saw it too. He said it was massive. The pictures don't do a justification as to how massive this thing was.

But when you look at it, you're like, what is that? It's not a silver ball that you see. flying around in some of these pictures. Make sure you get the high-quality ones. I will. Okay. Because he ran it. Jason's a very gifted Photoshop.

Is that what you call him? Sure. He's a photographer. He's a professional photographer. He's a designer. He's all this stuff. He's really good with working with these programs and enhancing images. I wouldn't say Photoshop when you're looking at a photo of a UFO, though.

I know. I know. But what I'm saying is like, I don't want to say that he used... He's great with AI. I don't want to say that he used AI to enhance it. Maybe he did. But, like, anyways, we have an enhanced version of what he saw. And it looks like a blob thing like we see with this pighead behind me.

It's like we don't know what it. It's definitely not a silver disc. It has bumps and ridges on it. And it was, do you, the other one of you remember, like, the story behind it, it wasn't just flying. I think it was floating in the air. And then it flew away. It was something of it was broad daylight.

And so I was. I was going to say I think that's actually the same one so filibustering filibustering filibustering filibuster but I there we go oh okay interesting

so I mean that that looks almost like a like a doesn't that look like a floating heart or a featherless chicken with no head I don't know it's weird

it looks like an organ of some kind it almost looks biological yeah doesn't it look biological And so, I mean, Justin talks a lot about the idea of biological UFOs and how there's so much water in our atmosphere that there literally could be, you know, he used to talk about the jellyfish UFO before the jellyfish UFO was something to talk about. I mean, he... That was in the first drop, though, as biologicals. Right. And Justin has a whole book that's probably like three, four years old talking strictly that.

And so, I don't know. that was Jason's right here in Knoxville. Right here in Knoxville. And so, I mean, and we have ties to Oak Ridge and all that stuff. But I don't know. I just don't think that it does any good when I'm sitting here on the fourth drop looking at everything saying they've released four drops now of masses of amount of information and no context. And the only context we really get are from these whistleblowers. You know? And I don't want to say that you shouldn't trust them or you should trust them. But it's kind of weird that the only professional opinion we get on anything are whistleblowers who were once, quote unquote, once within the government.

That's fair. And people who are making their rounds on podcasts who are no longer in the government, but we're once in the government. It seems like everybody who is defining this stuff for us are people who have ties to the government. On shows of people who once worked for the government. It's really true, though. And so is that their way of giving us context? Yeah. Is it that the context is coming through these people and we're supposed to just believe these whistleblowers and these former, you know, people within the government? Is that how they're doing it? Because if that's how they're doing it, there's a whole gap of trust now that we have to tackle.

Yeah. Because there's people who are so eager to jump on the trust chain, train, when it comes to. to some of these whistleblowers because it's falling in line with what they believe. And then there's other people who, when it comes to these whistleblowers, they're like, they'll question it until,

you know, I don't know. It's like there's no proof enough for them to believe what anything said. That's right. And it's just a very irresponsible way to make these drops. And if their way of releasing the context is through whistleblowers,

that is even more irresponsible in my mind than not saying anything. anything at all. I mean, so here's my, here's a question. If the government, let's just say if they actually were giving context to what was being dropped, how much would you believe anyway? Right. No, I, 100%, 100%.

Right. 100%. I don't think that there's a whole lot of people out there that everything that they'll say, I'll be like, I believe it, I believe it, you know. But the mere fact that they are pushing this agenda, they're pushing this information. They're the ones, listen, disclosure wasn't a thing until they decided to make it a thing. Yeah. That's true.

They're the ones that are pushing all this. And now that they got everybody jazzed up, riled up about it, people who were not into the topics, now into the topics, they're pushing all this data out there, these documents, these pictures, these videos. They're putting it all out there now with no context. And then through our own internet slews and people who actually know what the heck they're looking at, they're discovering that some of the stuff they're putting out there, it's not legit. And so then we say, this isn't legit. And there's nobody within the government saying, oh, well, here's why that's there. Or, oh, that's slipped in.

We're just, let's saying, that's not legit, which then adds to the all-encompassing aura of let them come to their own conclusion. eventually there will be a dominating opinion that will work its way through all this and that will become the truth and the real truth of what we know is still over here in the shadows and will never have to be released because everybody will believe that.

Well, that's exactly J.D. Vince and the Epstein files, right? Like, he was just on Joe Rogan and he was talking about how, oh, what about Pam Bondi? She had all these thick files on camera, like these are all that. And then he goes and says that those are all already declassified, a lot of them are already declassified files

and that like she was just making a lot more out of it than it was, making it look bigger and more pompous, you know, than really any of the files really were. Yeah. And so it's like, again, like agreeing with you, it's like they're manipulating all of this on both sides, you know, and it just gets really confusing to like where do we end up, where do we land to actually find what truth is?

And the truth is like, do we, what is truth? What do we trust their truth? I mean, J.D. Vans coming out and saying that, you know, what you just said, I didn't get to hear the clip, but I heard about it. I brought out to you guys and you had heard it. Like, that sounds to me like the backing up of a truck. You know, it's like, we messed up.

Somebody's got to fall and take, fall in the sword and take the hit. Pam's going to be the one to do it. But the reality, in my mind, the reality is the decision makers are still there making the decisions and they're still going to mess things up. And somebody else will have to fall on the sword when it gets too bad. That's probably just like these files. 100% like these files. 100% right, I think.

These, I don't. I don't know. And I'm not saying that this is not a legitimate topic. I would hope that people would understand by now that I think that this is a legitimate topic to discuss. I think just the way they're going about discussing it, I think they're using us to accomplish their means. They want us to be talking about it, but they don't want to give us a full context. It's all a dog and pony, man. Is that the right terminology? Yeah. Yes, very good. I sometimes I say phrases that I don't know what they mean. And it just start coming out of my mouth. And then I think, okay, I don't know what that actually means.

And so I'm just going to say it, and then I'm going to fact-check with my guys. Sometimes I start saying things, and I don't know what I'm going to say until it just starts coming on my mouth. Michael Scott. People don't usually let me talk this much. I mean, like, so we live in the information age, and it's just a constant stream of stuff coming at you. And it doesn't matter whether it's UFO files, Epstein, Iran, Israel, whatever. There's something that's being thrown at you. And I think that's why this is so exhausting to people is because you, you, you, you, you, you,

you have things, no matter where you're at, you're on Instagram, YouTube, you watch traditional cable news or whatever. There's more information now than there ever was that you're ingesting. And because of that, these things that, you know, 40 years ago, 50 years ago would have been, you know, a wild release are so mundane because of the fact that we already have so much conjecture going on with podcasts, radio shows, TV shows, people have talked about this stuff. and thought about these topics for years and years. And so it's like when you come to the final step of seeing the release of these documents and you start to take the action to read through them, and you're like, well, most of this

stuff I've heard, most of this stuff I've thought about, most of this stuff has been discussed, whether it's from you or from somebody you listen to. It doesn't blow your mind. It doesn't shock you. And it doesn't answer the questions that you have because you've dug deeper than what they would have 50, 40, you know, 60 years ago. And so I think that's kind of why there's also that like where's the context, you know, concept because of the fact that we already have so much on this topic publicly accessible online. People have talked about it everywhere. And like we know people you've talked about this. We know people who have talked about this. How many people in the conspiracy world have talked about this for years and have had experiences? Like it's just not new. And I think that's why it also doesn't help. I feel like part of the problem is, you know, you're talking about the people in the conspiracy space that talk about this and stuff.

And I think about people like Fringe or Karen Wilkinson. In what universe and reality do we ever expect, based on what we've seen in four drops now, that they're ever actually going to give context, let alone even information that points to what they've been through? Yeah. When those two ladies alone, those two ladies alone, not to mention the thousands upon probably millions of people who have similar experiences, those two ladies alone are sitting back and saying, yeah, but when are you going to actually admit what I went through? And that's never going to happen. So here's what kind of makes this a really nefarious situation at this point, right? We're talking about things now that according to what we've, you know, kind of like laid out from what Derek has researched and laid out in these documents, it's not like ultimately. extraterrestrial or anything, or I'm sorry, it's not extraterrestrial, like, from another planet that's abducting people. Like, a lot of this could be terrestrial, and some of it could be ultra-terrestrial, interdimensional. Well, we can even say extraterrestrial. Sure, extraterrestrial. It's on

the extra of terrestrial. But if we consider the fact that what they, what's being said in the documents that we're going to go over today, which we will get to, is true, then their experiences has become even more nefarious because it's not something that's outside coming in. It's inside taking action on them. And that's why some of the situations like fringe in particular, the name of Jesus has a very different action when she applies it in those moments.

Yeah, different result. Yeah, different result. So I think that that's where it's like you can make that conclusion now. There might be some really nefarious things that have happened and have continued to happen based off of what we're going to talk about here. Yeah. Yeah, I completely agree. And I think, like, as we move towards this, we see more and more, the human aspect is much more involved in this than how they spun it in the 40s and the 50s with the whole sci-fi movement, the flying saucers, the green aliens, like all this stuff, I think was all spun specifically to move away from the truth of it, which we'll discover here in the papers is that it is part of a technology, a reverse engineer technology that was pretty widespread throughout the whole world, really.

Hmm. Yeah. So let's get into these documents because I think the thing that you brought up, I don't know if you want to bring it up right now, you might, I don't know, but the thing that really caught my attention two days ago or whenever it was and we were talking about stuff was the idea of what Jack was saying, what extra-trashly was according to their definition. Yeah.

Because, I mean, what you just said back in the 40s, 50s, It's like they laid groundwork that has carried us through 70 plus years now of one way of thinking about this stuff. And at some point, it was like, again, that hive mind mentality of like, we will define it ourselves. And then the truth remains hidden. It feels like that's the same thing where they set the seeds. It ran in a certain direction. And now at some point, that was just extraterrestrial had a universal definition to it that was never truly what they did. defined it as. But they never corrected anybody because they don't give us context.

Yeah. So what we're going to start reading is actually from the Blue Book review. And then... Is that like a magazine we can subscribe to? Well, so here, Project Blue Book, there's another page on it. It's number two for you guys. It's the Air Force has conducted Project Blue Book since 1948. As of the 30th of June, 1965, a total of 9,267 reports have been investigated by the Air Force. Of these 9,267 reports, 663 cannot be explained. That goes directly against so many people who will be in the, whether it's private or through

the government in this UAP sphere, who will say that the majority of this stuff can be explained. Yeah. That goes direct of 9,2. 267, 660. I mean, I guess percentage-wise, like 8%, 7%, but that's a lot. Yeah.

I mean, that's a lot of cases that cannot be explained. Yeah. And that they've been, they investigated nearly 10,000 cases in up to 1965. Right. I mean,

we're talking about probably, like, what, six figures of cases that they've investigated by now? Yeah. But, I mean, you're still having 663 unexplained cases here.

That's wild. So over the, the span of, what it would be, 45, So you're talking about almost 20 years. They've experienced over 6363 unexplained cases. So that goes out of the sphere of what, like, technology and these things.

There's still an aspect to it that's really wild. But if we go back... Hold on a second. So down here you have highlighted to date the Air Force has found no evidence that any of the UFO reports reflect a threat to our national security. That was their conclusion. Yes. Interesting. It's interesting because one, again, we don't have any context, but has their perspective

change? Because that's one thing that they talk about now. They talk about this is a threat to national security. So what happened between the time of 1965, I suppose, and now where the conclusion totally flip-flopped? And again, we have these questions, no context, no answers. Maybe that's what we should call the show. No context, no context, no context. That's fair. That's fair. So as we read through this article, the first part of this review of Project Blue Book. Page one. Yeah, page one. At the top, it's really

interesting. It said in 1943 and 44, intelligence operation crossbow, there was excellent intelligence and by the June of 1944, there was material evidence of the existence of quote-unquote hardware obtained

from crashed vehicles in Sweden. Now, what makes this a little wow is that they always said, they were just V1 rockets. But I was making the case to you, what is the definition of a vehicle? That would have to be something with a person in it, right?

I would think so, unless they're considering a payload, the, the definition. That could be fair. You know what I'm saying? Like, what if, like, if you're delivering a virus, what's the vehicle to deliver the virus kind of thing?

I don't know. I'm just saying, I'm just, you know, devil's advocate. I'm just saying, like, historically, they've only ever said that Operation Crossbow in Sweden was actually just rockets. It was their V1 rockets. But is it possible that this is UFO hardware, right? The next sentence down, or two sentences down,

this is the absence of any hardware resulting unexplained UFO settings. So it's like they're starting to make the, they're tying in and making that connection. But like, so anyway, I think the technology's been there. So we're talking about World War II technology. Right. Like, we're talking about vehicles in Sweden, which was a neutral country, most likely used by the Nazis because it was neutral, right, in nefarious activities during World War II is what we're seeing. Okay.

I just wanted to throw that in there for context because, like, our earliest sightings even in the United States is like 1947. So three, four years, but even before sightings in the United States, here we have proof of hardware and crash vehicles. in Sweden. But let's keep moving on. This is really where I think it gets really saucy. So like members of the panel, this is what they did not find was any evidence that related the objected, the object cited to space travelers. Okay.

So they're not from outer space, right? And then it keeps going and it says, Mr. We Don't Know His Name and his presentation showed how he had eliminated each of the known and probable causes of sightings. leaving him, quote-unquote, extraterrestrial as the only one remaining in many cases. So hold on. So they're saying they're not space travelers, right? So they're not from outer space, but they're still extraterrestrial. So in this one sentence, let's read this again.

Yeah. What they did not find was any evidence that related the objects cited. to space travelers, Mr. Blank, in his presentation, showed how he had eliminated each of the known and probable causes of sightings, leaving him extraterrestrial as the only remaining in many cases. So that's where the definition of what do you mean by extraterrestrial? Yes. Because in one sentence, they're saying it's not space travelers out of space, outer space, but in the same sentence, you're saying it's extraterrestrial.

what the heck do you mean by extraterrestrial then? This document you said was declassified when? Oh, this is not something that they just released this in the files. But this is an old document. This goes to the whole gobbly gook. So this I think was actually 65, Jack. Is that right? I think this one was 65.

This one was 52 to 69. I don't know the release date. 67. 67. So this was written in 67. What you're referencing to is the fact that I was actually trying to look up Operation Crossbow and it came across a CIA article that was declassified in 2010. It's the same article.

They've already released this whole blue book panel like 16 years ago. And it flies under the radar. It flies under the radar. You know, and I'm sure people have talked about it. but it's not like something that has been focused on greatly. This sentence that we just read, this is part of Blue Book, right? Yeah. Well, this is a, they're reviewing Blue Book.

There's a panel of people that are reviewing all the findings of Project Blue Book. And so this is their conclusions and this is their assessment. So let me just ask you this way. This sentence that we just read was this release back in 2010? No, this was government knowledge as of, 69. This was government knowledge as a 69. It was public knowledge because of the FOIA Act in 2010. So, but this, this sentence became public knowledge because of the FOIA Act in 2010. Yes. So for the last 16 years, this sentence was available to anybody who wanted it. Yes. How would we have

accessed it by just FOIA or was it published anywhere? You go to the CIA database FOIA and you could probably access it that way. It just came up in a Google search. So this, this makes me feel like being on guard to not, and I think that we're all being played at some level. Dude, I was so deflated. It feels like they're

like they're manipulating the story and they're putting breadcrumbs out. They're waiting for suckers like you and I to take the narrative in a different direction. You know? So like I don't know what truth is.

I don't know what the truth is with this stuff. But in this one sentence, it should be in my mind concerning and it concerns you. The fact that they're saying, not space travelers, extraterrestrial. And that's why when Jack said extraterrestrial, I said, well, let's put a little extra on the terrestrial, right?

So it's like terrestrial, extra. What do you mean by that? Could it be the more modern version of what they're defining as non-human intelligence, N-H-I, or interdimensional, ultra-terrestrial beings that are here, but they're extra. They're not just like us. Yes, us terrestrial beings.

They're not like us, but they're here. and how many times we hear the whistleblowers, whether we trust them or not, say they're here. They've been here. So it's, and we haven't even talked about this, but you talk about the underwater bases. What's actually down there? What's the complex that's down there?

What's the structure of the organization that's down there? Yeah. You know, there's so much there. There is. But it, for me, that sentence makes me feel like when they say extraterrestrial, they mean more... I'm trying to refrain from saying,

but I'm just going to say when they say extraterrestrial, they mean interdimensional, terrestrial. I think they're meaning non-human intelligences, right? I mean, like, exactly what they're saying they are now.

Yeah. They've pivoted, and they're saying they're non-human intelligence. Right. So they're saying they're not space people. They're not space travelers

without saying it. And that's exactly what they did all the way back in 1969. And so, like, my default, you know, could be wrong too. But when they say they're not that very thing, it makes

me feel like, okay, so what are they? What are they? And it leaves the door open to this supernatural definition that I tend to lean into. And listen,

if I'm wrong on this, it doesn't change my life. You know, like, it doesn't change my faith, nothing like that. But so far, it just feels like there's a constant little bit of a hat tip or a head nod towards this idea of there being a very real possibility that a lot of this is supernatural. Yeah. Oh, no, I don't have it. Oh, you were grabbing the microphone like

you were. No, you're good. No, I would agree with you. And I think, you know, doing this as long as you have, as long as I've listened to you and been in the sphere of like trying to research and understand this stuff, it always keeps coming back to the same narrative that it is supernatural, that it is spiritual, that there are components to the universe in the realm of the earth that we don't comprehend. And that is where all the real mysteries are happening is most likely in like we talked about last week and CERN, like these possible alternate dimensions of reality. Yeah. So what we talked about two weeks ago with CERN or last week, whatever it was, like, is it that CERN, not that I want to turn this into a CERN conversation again,

but yesterday we talked about the Lego House, right? And you have all these different pieces when you start putting together, then you start seeing the castle that's in front of you. Could CERN be part of that? Where it's like CERN has its own job, its own fit in this whole agenda and picture, but maybe CERN and similar technologies worldwide, their job is to create the access points to that other stuff.

You know? It's like running a major organization, everybody has jobs to do, but everybody can't do everything. Well, that's why everything's under the Department of Energy. Like, everything fits underneath that, like, that act in 1954, the Atomic Energy Act,

like everything is protected through that same research because I think it all is interconnected. You know, I think it all boils back down to this aspect of technology and moving the agenda to where they want it to be. Yeah. Yeah, I completely agree because I think they do. They've known the whole time. They've known the whole time. And that's why it's like if they've known this, like where does that leave someone like NASA, you know, their space explorations, their search. for extraterrestrial life.

If this is like kind of the conclusions that they've already made for these ships that are here, like space travel doesn't exist. Or, I mean, do you know what I mean? Like, how do we begin to like ask these questions? Space is fake. There it is. There it is.

He's looking at me because, yeah, I lean that way. Do you really lean that way? I really do. I find a lot of big questions. and I struggle with the narrative that NASA provides. Sure. And I can see that. How far do you...

I don't want to turn this interview, but how far do you lean towards space being fake? I lean towards... I don't think we've ever left the upper atmosphere of Earth. So we've never gone to the moon, or is the moon within our atmosphere? I think the moon is within the atmosphere of the Earth. the outer aspects of it.

So if you were to break through to the upper outer space, what is it? Do you think it's second heaven spiritual realm? It could be. I mean, like, I just, here's what I know. I know that most of the pictures that we've seen from NASA are actually like composite images by artists. And we've been spoon fed like that. Those are the gospel of space for so long. and they're actually just like renderings from artists.

Yeah. And so that was like one of the first things that really triggered me really hard. And then you like look at like historically a lot of times it's like the moon is and the sun are the calendar and the understanding of our universe, right? Like the Mayans used it. The Babylonians understood that Daniel, you know, like the Magi. Like they were all so intricately connected to the faces of the moon and the movement of the stars. And so like I just, I lean towards maybe a more. simplistic aspect of what the

stars are and how they're used by God as the sign of the times. Cool. That's just me. It's cool. Cool. Very cool. I can't wait to read the comments. It's going to be great. Thanks, Jack. Don't read the comments.

Don't do that to yourself. All right. So, I mean, I don't even know where we're at. Where are we at? We're still on the Blue Book review. Blue Book, okay. Yeah, we can flip the page. So in the next part of the panel, Dr. Gotsmitt and others,

they say that extraterrestrial artifacts, if they did exist, are no cause for alarm. Rather, they are in the realm of natural phenomena subject to scientific study. What does that mean? What does that mean? What is a realm of natural phenomenon? So, like, you could say natural phenomenon, right? And that would mean, like, all lightning or, like, things that we understand in science

that are maybe beyond our understanding but naturally occur. But to say that it's in the realm of natural phenomena to me leads it more to the fringe edges of what we can understand it being. Does that make sense? It's like it's maybe a little beyond even our normal comprehension of science

if it's in the realm of. That's just me. Maybe I'm over-reading it, but like it's really interesting. Yeah, so I looked it up Yeah. To see more of like what was like a, what did they kind of mean, at least in a general sense. And I got that. It's part of a standard lexicon used in official investigations of aerial phenomena to maintain a scientific framework while managing potentially anomalous observations.

So it's playing and safe. Yeah, playing it's safe, giving you, giving the wiggle room in case it is actually something that is anomalous. But it's within the realm of natural phenomena. So it is something that is within the possibility of this realm. So, not to jump the gun off this, but the next thing we're going to hit on this page here, you can sit back and you can wonder like, okay, but this was what, 1965 or whatever it was? I mean, that's dated information.

Again, if it's dated information and there's more current information, why are they giving us the dated information? That's true. So if this is old information and does not apply anymore, then it falls back on the government's shoulders of, why are you giving us old information you know is not true? When you're calling this disclosure and giving us the truth and you're giving us old information that is irrelevant.

And again, giving us context, if you really wanted to give us context, you give us the up-to-date information, and then you can reverse engineer that back with it. Here's what we used to think it was, but now we think it's this because of X, Y, Z. Just giving us no context information from, you know, before any of us were born, it leads us to believe this is what they think. This is what they think it is. Yeah, I mean, like, if we think about timeline-wise, like, we go back to CERN,

like, if you were going to see the Higgs boson in 1965, like, no one would have any context for what that was, right? And I think it's the same with this. I think there were sciences available to them, just like Amy Eskridge mentioned in that interview that they've discovered anti-gravity three times already as far as she knew. Yeah. You know,

and so like this realm of natural phenomena, I believe is an actual aspect to sciences, right, that they were beginning to understand but maybe not fully understand. Does that make sense? So there's a scientific angle to what their investigations are, but they don't have all the answers. Yeah.

So it's still in the realm of phenomena. Let's go to Dr. Page. Yeah, so Dr. Page noted that present astronomical knowledge of the solar system makes the existence of intelligent beings, as we know the term, elsewhere, then on the Earth, extremely unlikely. So, again, he's saying that, like, from what they can understand at the time with all the science, again, this is within the realms of Blue Book, right? This is within the realms of studying...

craft, anomalous craft, unidentified aerial phenomenon for 20 years, and they're saying, this is not going out to public, mind I do, right? This is within the realms of the government that are reading this. It is extremely unlikely that there is intelligent beings elsewhere than on Earth. And then it says here, and the concentration of their attention by any controllable means confined to any one continent of the earth quite preposterous. So it's like... So they're everywhere.

Everywhere. It's everywhere. So it's everywhere, but it's not just in outer space. It's not in outer space at all. It is confined to earth. It really kind of brings, in my gut feeling, attention span, whatever you want to call it, It makes me feel like this is ushering humanity back on the center stage. We are the main plot, the main character of a story.

It just, I don't know, man. I mean, and I know we have more here, but I'm just like this document is, is pretty wild to me because of all the stuff that we've uncovered here. Do we have a way to ship this to people? I know I mentioned it earlier, but we don't have like that automated way yet. Is there any way we can compile this into a PDF and just make it available like on the website or something? Sure. Yeah.

I mean, it's not right now. I don't know if it's going to be available that quickly, but it might be cool if we could take all these documents that we're actually specifically talking about in the show and then just like make a, make it a web page or something. I don't know, like on the website or maybe we posted up. Maybe we post a PDF on Facebook or something. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. I think it would be kind of cool if we could...

Because, I mean, there's so many documents, and we're specifically talking about certain pages on a document. I think it would be nice for people to be able to just kind of, like, grab that PDF and follow along during the conversation and see it for themselves. Yeah. So anyways, Derek, go ahead. No, I mean, so, like, going back to, like, the aspect of natural phenomenon. So, like, if we're incorporating things in the natural and also in the supernatural,

natural. We're moving into a realm of order, right? God's order of how he's made things. I'm going to reference our most famous slingshot episode was the green fireballs and volcanoes. Yeah, I wish it was most famous. I like that one. That was a great episode.

He wouldn't seem to like it, but hey. But no, it's just crazy because, like, it keeps coming up. And so, again, there is a reference to green orbs, green things flying. And then the guy who actually did the research is an actual like, he studies meteors. And he's like, they affect animals and they affect everything around them

like so obviously if it's a meteor. And so it kind of like, these observations, I'm just saying, they keep continuing. We keep seeing the same cycle of things repeat and repeat and repeat. Yeah, it's just like you mentioned about the green orb. And just to remind people why that episode should be one of your all-time favorites, is because the video shows this, like, green, what they would want to say, oh, that's an asteroid or a meteor or something coming down, crashing behind

a volcano. And then you see this intelligent flying thing orb come up out of the ground from that crash site. And so they're talking about green orbs. We have modern video of green orbs and seemingly intelligent, some kind of intelligent life N.H.I. Non-human intelligence stemming from that crash of the green orb. So this is like a

never-ending story on repeat. Yeah. And then we're like, it reminds me of the first drop, not the third drop, of the UAP coming out of the portal, the one that was rendered by the FBI, right?

And so again, like, is that a part of the realm of natural phenomenon they're talking about? I mean, are they understanding that like portals and them portaling? Are within our realm of nature? Yeah, are within our realm of nature. Yes. That's within our universal structure.

Yeah. You know, and they've known it and they've understood it and comprehended it. And they've always just passed it off as Tony the crazy portal lover. Well, I'm no longer a portal lover. There's danger in that, kids. Don't fall in love with portals. Yeah. Just other people.

But I mean, even that. It's like, so that, like, if we're talking about like that, then it's like, you have Crowley, right? Crowley, sorry. He summoned... Rines with Holy. It was his poem. He has a poem.

Really? He's got a poem. Yeah, he wrote a poem and Joel knows it. It's like, my name is Crowley. It rhymes with Holy. It's not something da-da-da-da-da. But like he was trying to get people to understand that it's Crowley, not Crowley. Okay. I'm just saying.

No, I appreciate it. Rines of Holy. But so what was it, the Amalantra? Amalantra. 19, right? So, like, he, even you're better at, I don't remembering all this stuff than me, but like, you know, he summoned, right? Like this egg form out of the ether. Yeah, I mean, I feel like I jack it up every time I talk about because I don't know what the heck I'm talking about.

But from what I understand, lamb came from a thing that was in the form of an egg. So if you want to call it a portal, an orb, he came, it came from it. But lamb, during the alma launch of working, came from maybe a device, a piece of technology that carried it in the form of an egg. You got Jake Barber who was on an egg retrieval mission. You have, still, I can't freaking remember that episode. The lady, I think her name was Jane. I had a lady on the show years ago. and she, in passing, talked about how this craft landed in her, and this was years ago, before Jake Barber, I'm going to talking like, this is probably like, circa 2019.

And it landed in her yard and it was in the shape of an egg. And I'm like, back then I had no content. I was like, oh, okay, next, you know, he's in the shape of an egg. well, some are shaped like cigars, some are shaped like this, some are shaped like pigheads, you know, and some are shaped like eggs, you know? I had no context, but now I have a little bit more. And there's a real connection there. So yeah, I don't know. Well, even like there's guys that call themselves like psionics and they'll like summon orbs to them, right? Like they'll pray for them or they'll like ask them to appear or whatever. Even like, who's that Mexican guy?

I think he was doing that for a while, too. The researcher for Mexican. Not the Mexicans, man. I care of my name. Anyway, but you know, like, this is very prevalent in the space where people are conjuring, they're conjuring these entities, these things to them. So, again, is this in the same sphere as the natural phenomenon, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.

Yeah. I think it is. It's like, what's the definition? of natural. Like we're talking about definitions now, you know, what do you define extraterrestrial as? Right. What do you define natural as? What do you define natural as? What is nature? What is part of nature? How do you view nature? What do you know that we don't know that allows you to define nature in a certain way that we wouldn't because we don't have the information you have? Boom. You know, that's it. It's, we're working at a disadvantage because they intentionally hold information back.

and when they give us information is gook like this with no context. Yeah. Man, that was so good. Thanks, Jack. Make a reel. It's ready.

I feel like I'm just repeating myself over and over again here, but it's like, I don't know, I don't know what else to say other than after seeing this stuff, I come to this conclusion of they're holding back information, they're holding back context.

Yeah. And they're doing, it seems like, I don't know how else you can view it other than they're doing it intentionally. Yeah. Because like literally as somebody who shares information on a weekly basis in one way or another, my whole goal is for when people walk away from whatever they sit down with me on, that they feel like they gain something. Mm.

You know? And what if I took an episode of the Confessionals and I take a three-hour recording and I chop it up into 64 pieces and then mix them all together and say, here's your episode. There's no context. There's no context. Yeah, over months.

So I did one episode and I released it four times in segments over months and they're all mixed together. Nobody's going to know what the heck's going on. Now you multiply that by like 700 and you have the UFO files. Yeah, exactly. So the more I think about,

the more it really bothers me because it only leads me to the conclusion that they're doing it on purpose because I'm not the smartest person in the world and if I can see that and think of it, they would too. And so there's no reason to not give us context unless they don't want us to have context

so that we can push the agenda and the narrative of a certain direction, which they may not even totally understand where the direction is going to go. All they know is it's going to go a direction that they don't want it to go in this direction where the truth lies. Right.

That's so true. So everything I'm saying probably not true. Everything I say is not true. It's all fake. It's just like space. Just like space. And birds.

Do you believe in birds? I do believe in birds. Just making sure. Some might be drones. I don't know. That's fair. No, I believe in birds. No, but with Karen, like when I got to interview her for that member's episode,

I think that's what blew me away at Jack laughs because I was just like so like, whoa. But like, she was. saying that when they come into our realm, these entities, that they need to be in, in the craft to actually traverse through the dimension into our dimension. So they need that, say that again one more time. They need a technical craft. They need a vehicle to actually traverse the dimension that they're from into our dimension. Interesting. So the ship is necessary for them to actually bleed into our realm because they're not allowed in our realm. The grays.

The grays, yeah, the grays, the tall grays, insectoids, like, whatever, all of those things. They're not allowed to be in our realm because that's how God designed it. And so these ships are used to then work them into our realm. That almost... So I know I talked about this the other day with you guys, but this thought process now got re-triggered.

It's like, okay, that's true. and God created some kind of barrier, whether it's spiritual, dimensional, how are you going to define it, between that side and this side, where we're on this side, they're on that side. And if you take,

which I don't know if it's true or not, it's just a theory that I have, I always have to say it. It's a theory. I don't know. Jack's famous allegedly. Yeah, allegedly. But I feel like Garden of Eden

probably existed in another plane of existence. let's just call it second heaven. And I talk about the whole punishment aspect becoming physical. But what if, and I said that you guys the other day. Like if your son, you have to punish, it grieves you, you have to punish your son, but you're also doing it to protect him from his future selves. So if part of this punishment is physical and we're now being pushed into this on the other side of this barrier, this wall as part of our punishment,

this wall is here, though, to protect them. us from what's on the other side. And you're saying that they need a vehicle of some kind of entryway to get through that barrier. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that goes so in line with even if you study like the occult nature of like awakening yourself and all these aspects, right?

You're bridging. You take you taking the pharmaceuticals. You're taking the ayahuasco and you're trying to bridge yourself over into that dimension. Right? So like these really. It really correlates nicely with almost all these different philosophies and ideas that we're working through. So there's ways to traverse. Like you talk about ayahuasca and the

through the mental state, you know, the consciousness traversing. But if these things want to traverse this direction, physically, they need a physical craft to traverse to this side. if they want to traverse consciously, we've seen them do that. Yep. This is interesting. I mean, I don't know if it's true, but it's interesting. Without a craft, yeah. It's interesting.

It is really interesting. All right. Ready to pivot a little bit here? I suppose. So, well, because we were mentioning like abductions and all this stuff and technology. So we have this other piece of information that they gave us here. and it's a part four summary. It says,

we have presented to you some evidence that flying saucers are within the capabilities of the existing, quote-unquote, state-of-the-art in this country and Canada. The quote-unquote state-of-the-art is well known in European countries. The Kiwanda effect has been known to all countries, and the application is not beyond the capabilities of the Soviets. It is possible that German projects for flying saucers existed at the end of the war. The man considered possible tops in this field is supposed to be in the U.S. now. We have reports of eyewitnesses and flying saucers in Soviet territory. So what's so mind-blowing to me here is, A, they're admitting to flying saucer technology with the Nazis. Right?

Yeah. They're also admitting that it's most likely that all these different countries have the same. technology, like the state of the art, right? Flying technologies. And it says in Canada, European countries, and even the Soviet territories. And so where we're going to move towards now is this hugely humanistic tie-in to this UAP phenomenon. Yeah. And we got told that at the debriefing, right? That 90% is ours, right? And that's almost lines up exactly with the Blue Book, Blue Book information. Interesting. So, you know, like what we're seeing is this, this human element to this phenomenon, as they've deemed it, because I think a lot of it is just human made and human reverse engineered stuff.

Yeah, I agree. I agree. And you were ringing up the foo fighters before we went live and how this technology could have been the foo fighters. Absolutely. You take this concept along with Werner von Braun and the establishment of NASA and that goes right with what we were talking about. I don't know if we talked about it on the show either or not,

but the idea of like how much did NASA know? Right. We touched it a little bit. How much did they actually know? Right. Because from the beginning, NASA was created and working closely with Nazi scientists who understood this side of it,

which came from alchemical means, science, magic, occult. I mean, even, I can't say it's factual. Jack put it to be allegedly, but allegedly, allegedly, before rocket launches, they're doing black mass ceremonies. Why is that?

Before CERN, there's random ceremonies that are occurring or have occurred. Right. I think Jack Parsons talks about it. I think Jack Parsons did black mass. Black mass rituals before, right? With, yeah, with Crowley. Was it with Crowley? Yeah.

Who did Crowley not like? Was it Jack Parsons? I feel like Crowley didn't like Parsons, but he tolerated him or something like that. I think he had a thing with Parsons' wife or girlfriend or something like that. Like a thing like an extra marital? Yeah, you know. Crowley did? Yeah.

It's sexual ritual magic, dude. They're all hollowing together. What's interesting is that Crowley wouldn't have sex unless there was a point. behind it. He didn't do it for pleasure. And he disdained people who would do it for pleasure. So the fact that he had any extramarital affair with Parsons' wife means that he thought that there was a ritual. He was performing a ritual.

And with the wife of the man who does rituals before a rocket launch. It's a whole black magic, black mass rituals, sexual escapade craziness around here. It's crazy. But it's a great point because like that needs to. tie into the story, right? So it's like, it's not just aliens, but like this whole ritualistic aspect to all of this has to tie into the storyline, right? And I think what we're doing is actually building a constructing an understanding of how all this does tie in through like a second heaven or other dimensional round. I'm telling you, man, like the more we talk about the black mass

stuff and the cult means of this, the more I see that pighead as legit. Like that that is a bad guy. That is a bad guy. Jack, throw the pig out up. Jack, throw the pig out of. I'm telling you. Like he is a, that is a, that is a summoned entity that looks like a boorhead. It is the king pig from Angry Birds. Tell you, man. That's so, makes more sense to me that way than any of it. What? It just, that's the, what, what, what else is it? I don't understand. It can't be anything else other than Angry Birds pig. Bro, you know, you know what the pig head? Lord of the flies.

Lord of the flies. Beelzebub. There you go. Boom. Boom. Case solved. Case solved. Thank you for proving my point.

Wow. Show's over. Shows over. They get into some scientists. There's a guy named Bruno Bererich, who actually they think is Robert Meath. So Bruno was actually allegedly in the Soviet Union, and he was the head. You're good. Okay.

He was like one of the head space, like UFO. creators in the USSR. And then he came over and changed his name as Robert Meath, which is in page five. That was in 1953. So there's just like all these crossover tie-ins to scientists, Nazi scientists. They're in the, they're not only in the United States. They're in Russia. They're emitting in the papers.

There's stuff going on in Canada. Like all these countries have this technology. They're all creating things. And then it's crazy in this. They actually bring up even Kenneth Arnold. So, like, Kenneth Arnold was... Tell people about that story. Jack, Jack looked it up.

Jack looked it up better than me. But, like, he's one of... Pressure's on, Jack. Like, he says that he's like, whoa, whoa. I'm not ready. Well, when I get to Kenneth Arnold, and I'm just reading through this, and I see his name, I'm like, holy crap. He is one of the most...

He's the, like, first real legitimate UFO sighting, post-war, or, like, the war that really starts off this whole UFO frenzy that we understand in the newspapers and everything. Yep. And it's highly likely that it was human... Soviet or human ships flying in formation that he saw.

Man. Crazy. Is that all you got, Jack? That's all I got. It's crazy. I mean, yeah, I mean, Derek said pretty much everything that you would need to know about Kenneth Arnold. Do you have the actual encounter that he had?

Oh, what do you mean? He's crying. Like, please, dear God, no. Please move on. I'll read it from the report. Why, he looks really quick. Do you want, well, anyway. So he was flying near Tacoma, Washington,

reported a formation of flying objects. His sketch of what shape corresponds closely shown and the photograph made, Air Force pilots, field. It's just the flying disks trailing. towards Oakland, California. It's really blurry. I'm sorry, it's really hard to read. But I know that he says he saw a bunch of them actually flying in formation.

And you said they were like metal things popping off of them or something? I think that's one of the stories is that like he had seen some things being dropped out of the saucer. But like the way that they flew, it was like they, he said that he describes it as though they was skipping across water like a saucer. That's why he called it a flying saucer. That's where we get flying saucer. Isn't that crazy? So you're saying the things that were falling out were saucer shape? No, that was a different, that's a different, like, encounter. I might actually, might be conflating two different encounters.

But anyway, his original thing was that he saw these two objects that looked like saucers. The way that they flew, they were like skipping across water, and they were behind an F80 or whatever. and that's what he was, that's what he was referencing. So Kenneth Arnold is mentioned in these documents. Yeah, so like all the conflation of spaceships and flying saucers actually goes back to being manmade. And I don't have the exact paper in front of me,

but one of them actually talks about how these would actually like oscillate and spin to give it like a weird looking, it doesn't rotate like forward. You know what you mean? It has like an angled rotation to it, which is exactly what he's saying he's seeing. You know, he's seeing this rotation, this angular rotation, in formation. He was seeing our tech. You know, it's interesting is I just thought of something that doesn't get brought up much on the show.

A former guest, Ashton Forbes, you know, he really popularized the videos of, you know, a plane seemingly getting taken through a portal with these. orbs that were circling around it. And the more we discover this information, the more his, let's just call it a theory of what we're seeing and what is happening there becomes more plausible. I know

there's been a lot of debunkers out there saying it's part of a video game or this, that, and the other. And I don't know all that. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know it all. But on the surface, what he's claiming and he and he's adamant on it, it seems like,

yeah, if they had this kind of technology back then and they're decades upon decades ahead of us in technology as far as like what we have access to in 2011 I think is when flight the Malaysian flight went missing 2011 right yeah yeah like MH3 17 70 70 70 70 image 3 70 like that technology that you see on that video seems impossible because the technology traditionally that they have access to is far beyond anything we've ever even seen. Right. So it just seems more and more plausible that his explanation of that video could be real.

It was our tech. Yeah, it was our tech. Portling. Mm-hmm. And you look at who was on the plane, those Chinese scientists that were extremely important for something. I don't remember what it was, but it was like Chinese scientists. The original missing scientists.

The original. My goodness. Well, I think there were definitely missing scientists before 2011. Scientists have been going missing since 2011. Not before. That's right. But since established in 2011. I mean, Ning Lee is like, you know, 1990.

So let me ask guys a question, the audience of question real quick. This is sidetracked, but I just, when I said established in 2011, it made me think of an idea that we were kicking around, the idea of, and I want the audience to let us know in the comment section in the live chat. Would you find it fun if we tried, tried, not consistently, I'd imagine, but tried on a weekly basis to present to you a limited pre-order team? t-shirt design based off the previous week's show. So, for instance, this week we're talking about the UAP files, and we come out with a t-shirt with that picture of the king pig, right? And it's a limited time pre-order where you have a week to pre-one second, you have a week to pre-order it.

And then once we hit the next show, the pre-orders are cut off. The people who pre-ordered it, they're the ones that get the t-shirt. never to be printed again. And then it's on to the next one. And we just do it every week where we have these t-shirt drops every week for people who are just radically fans of whatever quirky thing we talk about. It has to be shot through the slingshot. That'd be so perfect.

Oh, my gosh, yeah. Jason, get on it. Get on. That might be in the store, actually. We might just put that in the store. That's too good. We might just put that in the store. And somehow, like, have that.

And then, like, the actual picture of what we're referring to somewhere else on us so people can see. Anyways, if you think that's a cool idea, I think it would be fun because we have some quirky things on this show that would make fun T-shirts. And so maybe people would be like, you know what, that's an awesome t-shirt.

That's a memory that I want to hold on to, you know? I don't know. I think it's cool. And you guys will let us know, though. If that's something you want, give us a thumbs up and let us know in the comments section. And Jack, Derek, or somebody named Not Tony, we'll go through and check the comments

and tally it up and see if it's something we do. Yeah, totally. I love that. idea. Do you guys think it's a good idea? I think it's fun. I think we talked about the other day and we weren't planning to talk about now, but ADHD. It's great. It's fun. Tony, my name's Tony. I'm sure too much.

All right. Here's my last thing. It's not in our notes. But so just says right here, Germany at the end of World War II. Apparently not, Jack. German aircraft designers had numerous projects underway concerning tailess aircraft, which conceivably could be mistaken as flying saucers

or disc like objects. Again, going back to the Kenneth Arnold observation. It is not clear just what the Soviets are doing in the way of developing these projects, but it is considered that German studies on Talis, Delta Wing, and related configurations are available in the USSR. So the only reason like that I felt like was really important, again, it just, it again is proving the fact that these UFO flying saucer reverse engineered ships are coming from Nazi Germany. So this was like a conspiracy theory, I feel like, for a long time.

And it's totally 100% true. And then they also not only in the United States, but in the USSR. Factually true. Factually true. Factually true. Not alleged. Not alleged. And so what, well, so here, my thought into all this is this human aspect of it, again,

if they have this craft and then we tie in the aspect of abductions, right? Like how many adductions that we know of are tied in with seeing governmental white labs? People. Dude, I think the government is complicit in the abduction and the human rights violations of people since World War II. I agree. I mean, this is just proving that fact 100%. And all they're going to do now is poo-poo these abductors and say that, oh, no, there aren't really extraterrestrials, right? they're not aliens.

But like they're complicitly, their vehicles, what did I do? He's laughing at me. They're complicit. I'm finding you this riveting. So please continue. But again, they know, and this is so important because they're now like so responsible for this abduction scenario that we see, I think, all the way through. Yeah.

I mean, Karen Wilkinson, her experience is tied in. with that. You know, several people have experiences where they're dealing with abductions. They're seeing humans working with these entities and underwater bases. And so there's so much that we can't comprehend how it's possible, but it's becoming more and more evident that it is possible. And it's going to, if the truth really came out, it would tie in government involvement to a level that would be on some level there would be a fallout. I don't know how much of a fallout there would be because what seems like they're laying the groundwork as timeline wise is old stuff like this. I don't think we're ever going to get the current stuff that they're doing right now until those people are dead. Yeah.

So I don't know how much of a fallout will have when the only information they're ever going to give us is stuff that people did that are dead now. Yeah. I mean, easy evidence of that too is like Jack and I were talking about like these, they have like what looks like a stealth nighthawk. And this was right after World War II. They already had the technology that they rolled out in 1980. Yep. You know what I mean? So they kept it under wraps for 40 years that, uh,

that's the H wing. I think that's what a lot of people saw as a UFO back in the 40s. If you keep going, there's the, yeah, that one.

I mean, it literally looks exactly like a stealth Nighthawk. Is there a way to rotate that, Jack? Maybe?

Boom, boom. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, they took the wings off. This is post-World War II. Wow. This is in the 50s,

and they're talking, I think this was the Canadian like different kinds of planes and stuff that like the English had and the Canadians have access to. So I mean, just to your point, the technology,

we don't know. Like this stuff's been out for decades and decades and decades. Yeah. It means we even think of like Admiral Bird's story. We know where like there. I think there's journals where the people said that UFOs came up out of the water and they shot the ships right in half. Yeah.

And then Bird was going to actually investigate a Nazi base. after World War II that didn't know the war was over or whatever. I'll tell you what, man. Like, I find when you bring that up, I find myself realizing the manipulation that I've gone through as well because I remember when I first heard about Admiral Bird's story, I was fascinated by it. And then somewhere along lines,

I was convinced that it was fake and it wasn't real. And I just put it away as that's not real. And you bringing that up. And then within the context of this conversation, I'm like, how many things do I need to revisit? that I was convinced that it weren't real by whoever that probably should be revisiting me like

maybe there is something there. You mentioned the foo fighters, what about like the Battle of L.A.? Where there was a giant spaceship that was just hovering. There's newspaper right in World War II. They were shooting anti-aircraft at it. Battle of Los Angeles? Yeah. The movie.

A movie. Oh. It was 1940. 65. Was it in 1965? I thought it was in the 40s. I think it was 1965. When was it?

He's looking it up. Please hold. 1942. Oh, shoot. Really? I was pre. I was way off. Right.

So February 25th, 1942. Wow. Again, I think this proves the point that could have been foreign assets? Were the Nazis spying on the Pacific coastline of what we were doing to get up ready for the Pacific War? Because we see in these papers over and over again, these places are at low south. Palamos. These places are at Oak Ridge. These places are looking at our nuclear facilities. I mean, like, I think it's other countries spying and getting intel. And they can't tell you that, or at least traditionally, they couldn't tell you that. Yeah. So it could have been Nazi super technology they had it. And they sent it over to L.A. And that was the battle of L.A. It was just freaking a bunch of Nazis flying around in a reverse engineered trip. Russian Nazis. Oh, no. It was before the Russians had it. Wow. So it would have been full Nazis. Literally Nazis in L.A. how that would have gone that would have been

an awful news article yeah yeah I mean that that literally is a German Nazi invasion of the United States that's not a good that's not a good love and like you were saying this yesterday

which I thought was so true was like how close they had this technology how close were we to losing this war if they had this level of technology they probably couldn't like replicate it fast enough to actually win the war at a large scale

but like whoever owns this I think this is and again another point to all this is this is what the real cold War was. It wasn't a race of atomic weapons. It was a race of this stuff. Of these high classified ships

that could possibly even traverse dimensions. That's crazy. So, like, what you're saying with the Cold War, like, you have... So, you said it wasn't a race against the atomic weapons. It was a race against this stuff. So what we were given and presented with was the low level

of what there was. So, like, you're talking about basement level technology. The atomic weapons, they're like, yeah, they know what that exists. So that's what this whole race is about. The reality is that there was a whole house. So they had to, there was a whole house of technology that was far beyond that. They just had it. They kept quiet. And all countries that had this technology would have been equally invested in keeping how much they personally knew and had it available to them secret. So that's where that's where the spying came in play because like, who has what?

What, technology? Nobody's rolling their technology out to the public because then you're putting all your cards on the table. It rewrites history. Man. The Cold War was about a UFO technology battle. Advancement battle. It was, wow. Thanks for tuning in.

That was it, man. That's wild. Oh, my God. That was so good. I mean, geez, a whiz. I mean, that rewrites the whole Cold War in a way that we didn't have, we couldn't have had context for 20, 30, 40 years ago. And maybe really this is why the governments

have gone more nefarious, because the battle to get the technology requires them to astral travel, to do these seances, to do all this stuff with psionics is the only way to get more technology in the battle against the Russians is to actually go into this witchcraft occult angle to pull the information. I mean, it fits perfectly. It fits perfectly. See?

And that's why I don't trust the information. giving because we are not smart enough to figure out and they decode the information that they're giving us. There has to be something else. That's so true. You know, like, we're three dorks in a podcast studio. That's so true. You know what I mean?

That's why I, gosh, it makes too much sense. It can't be true. That makes so much sense, it can't be true. Right? It's wild. There's got to be something else. else. I can't be true. You know what I'm saying? Like it makes me uncomfortable to think that

that fits so well. It makes me uncomfortable to think that. That what you just said and what we just discussed with the Cold War, it seems to fit so well that I'm like, surely not the three of us figured that out. Like it came up with,

I'm sure other people thought of it too, but it just feels like like and share people. Like and share. It doesn't feel like it should be true. I mean, it makes you wonder though. Like how many of the, like, how did Germany fare after all of that, right? Because like Project Paperclip happens. There's a lot of Soviet, you know, abducting of scientists and all that stuff.

Like, did they take every single thing that Germany had that they couldn't replicate what they were doing before? All of these scientists, anybody that was, you know, you know, you know, you know what I mean? Like, because. Are you trying to say that, no, I don't know what you mean. What do you mean? Like, do you mean like, do you mean like that? Yeah, let me. Let me finish the...

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, like, I think what I'm saying here is, like, you have Germany as the spearhead for all of this technology that was coming out at that time. And then, when they're defeated, because maybe, like Derek said, a lack of means to produce in rapid succession what they needed, you have all of the scientists coming over to the United States

for Project Paperclip, the abductions of those scientists as well and other, you know, engineers to Soviet Russia. So the start of the Cold War is because of that technology. How did Germany, like, did they just lose every single person that was producing that? Or did it become more of a worldwide, like, westernized countries or more, you know, first world countries were able to produce because of the fact that now it's not just, you know, held in Germany. It's in U.S., it's in Russia. is, you know, crashed crafts are in UK

and in other places now, Spain, whatever else. I wonder if that's what Antarctica really is. That's the left. Like with Admiral Bird, like they didn't, they were unsuccessful Admiral Bird in finding the base and claiming that that would have been the news, right? They came back with their tail between their legs.

Like, were their Nazis still in Antarctica with this technology, with scientists, still replicating? And that's why right now all our countries are in this neutral land of Antarctica, putting their flag there because that's really where all the deep development is happening.

I still think we should put data centers in Antarctica. I do. Throwing them in space, throw them in Antarctica. I mean, just put them wherever it's cold. You need them cool? Put them where it's cold. If they're hiding our water. If they're hiding all the cool bases in Antarctica,

let's melt it with data centers. You know what? That's what they were saying too, right? They would say, well, if we put the data centers in Antarctica, it's going to melt the ice caps, and the sea levels will rise, and then we're all going to drown. Yeah.

So you're just going to pollute our water and just destroy it? Oh, man. We better not turn this into that, right? Because I think we've held people's attention this long. We don't want to lose it. Yeah. No, listen, guys, I think this was a good conversation. And I hope people enjoyed it because I did.

And there's what we went back to, let's go back to just one of the first papers you, you, you, we had here. The, was it on this side? I don't remember. Here we go. It was noted by Mr. Gouttsmith or Dr. Gouttsmith, Smith, and others that extraterrestrial artifacts, if they did exist, are no cause for alarm. Rather, they are in the realm of natural phenomenon, phenomena subject to scientific study. That's not the quote I was looking for, actually. There's so many here.

Oh, extraterrestrial? Yeah. Flip the page over. Here we go. At the bottom. There we go. Okay. What they did not find, here's another quote for you guys.

What they did not find was any evidence that related the objects cited to space travelers, Mr. Blank, in his presentation, showed how he had eliminated each of the known and probable causes of sightings, leaving him extraterrestrial as the only one remaining in many cases. And so that one statement, according to our modern definitions and understandings, is contradictory. Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. And so, I guess take that, chew on it and overlay that with what we're hearing people in this disclosure movement, all these talking heads, what they're saying. Are they saying this very thing to us in a modern way? can we maybe they are is the n h i angle this seems like it probably is now what is n h i and when they said

back then it's extraterrestrial what did they mean by that because we're terrestrials did they just simply mean it's beyond our terrestrial existence which could be with which in the same sentence they're not space travelers so they're within this terrestrial but they're extra I mean, like, literally, like, maybe it's as simple as that, and we ran with it as space travelers when it's like, no, no, no, no. It never was space travelers. They were extra terrestrial. Right. They're not from moons on Mars.

They're not from... They're from here. They're just from here and beyond. Yes. It's like, what was it, buzz light years? To infinity. And beyond. And beyond.

That's good. That's what they are. So... Buzz. Toy Story 5's out in the movies. We should go watch that, guys. Do a movie review? Yeah, Thyshot Nation Toy Story. All right, guys, listen, thanks for tuning into this bonus episode of Slingshot Nation Live. We went an hour and 40 minutes. And so now you understand why we couldn't tie this subject into the flock cameras in one episode. But if you think about it, like, I had my heart sold on the flock cameras, you know. I learned about it.

I was like, I got to talk about flock cameras. I don't want to wait two weeks. And we couldn't wait two weeks for this stuff because of the old news by then. So here we are doing a double dip this week. And we'll be back next week with, oh, actually, next week we're going to have in-studio guest. His name is Matt Seber. He's a local guy, Bigfoot guy. And we're going to have him in studio next week.

And also possibly, I don't know if it's going to happen or not, but the great Martin Groves is making his return to the studio next Thursday. If he's here in time, I'll throw him on the live show as well. If he is not, I'll still be doing an individual recording with him. He has new information he wants to share with the world. And well, why not do it here? The last time he was here, the studio looked completely different. It was white walls. These TVs weren't here. There was an industrial shelf sitting behind him with knickknacks and stuff. It was different tables. everything was different. Terrible cameras.

Yeah, the man returns, and he returns to a prettier studio. So that's next week. And hopefully I see you guys at Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference. That's Saturday, July 25th in Gatlinburg, Tennessee. We're going to be there. We'll have a booth. Like I said, we're going to have some merch there that's exclusively available there. We'll have our coffee.

And we'll have lots of handshakes for you too. Okay. So thanks for tuning in, guys. And until next week, we love you. Bye. Oh boy, is that a slingshot? Yeah, yeah. Slingshot season.

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