The Confessionals - RELOADED | 106: Bigfoot Boulder Bowling

Episode Date: February 20, 2023

On Episode 106, guest Andy joins us to talk about his startling bigfoot experience, when these elusive cryptids started throwing rocks the size of boulders at him! The unexpected event shook Andy up so badly that he has felt pushed away from ever hunting and fishing in that same area again... bigfoot encounters aren't always a pleasant experience!Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinWatch Expedition Dogman: https://amzn.to/3OVyUs6Tony's Studio Equipment: linktr.ee/mystudiogearCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaITikTok: @theconfessionalsDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvet

Merkel. I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine? Kind of a Dolion? Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves. Time travel is possible.

This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed but no one was supposed to talk about it. fingers curl up to grab it and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant

comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. It spears, Dan, holds him up like this. somebody else shoot them in the face, shoot them in the face, they basically decapitated. And I look over and there are two, and they're literally, I'm getting pulled off.

And in this bush, and I touch air, couldn't breathe, and I couldn't move, because I know I'm seeing a monster. Okay, I reloaded. Yep. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email.

My email address is The Confessionals Podcast at gmail.com. That's The Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. Or go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the connection section, and you can reach me that way as well. Either way it works for me. Just get a hold of me. Let's get into this week's show. We have Andy coming on, and Andy's going to be talking Bigfoot to us this week. It's one of those situations where you're not exactly sure what's going on, but you think it's Bigfoot. You see some things, and you're just like, uh, yeah.

I just experienced that. So let's get into it right now with Andy. Let's go. Okay, tonight I have a good guest coming on. I have Andy. Andy, how you doing, man? Doing pretty good, Tony. Good, man.

So you have a couple of Bigfoot encounters that you've had, and they're both in the same area. The first one happened, I think you told me, last year. So why don't you just kind of walk us into what happened and share with us what you saw, man? All right, yeah, it was a, More like two years ago at the initial time. Okay.

That something went on. Pretty much what went on is, you know, I'm a big fly fisherman, do a lot outdoor stuff, you know, I'm real comfortable, you know, kind of being as frugal as I can as far as the equipment I bring in the wood. I just enjoy that side of it, you know. And most of the time what I'm doing is I'm finding freaks and, you know, these spring rivers. or streams, you know, they've got made a book trout in them, but, you know, we've only got up here in the eastern sea. And, you know, so any one of them I can find that's kind of off the beaten path, you know, it's just better fishing.

You know, now they're usually extremely isolated. So, you know, you might be three miles off the main trail. And I said earlier, you know, dropped out quite a bit of military training. You know, to help me out with some stuff and just got real comfortable with it. So just getting that kind of isolation, just makes me feel better. It kind of clears my head and stuff. So, let's just say, I mean, if you drew a longitude of line across Tennessee, I'm like right in the middle as far as you can get,

and probably four to six miles somewhere like that off of the main trail. And what was going on here, what I normally do, because you're supposed to always camp in a certified area when I do. the National Park, you know. My intention was to cut across, you know, there's three ridges that had to go across, and then I'd hit this river or else the stream. You know, it's maybe like four foot wide. And head straight up and fish my way.

Once I got pretty much to the headwaters of the stream, I would cut across another mile, and that would get me to a backcountry campsite. So that was the intention. what actually happened that that evening was, you know, the fishing was really good. It was a larger brooket than what you normally get, just especially at that elevation. And so I kind of got carried away in the moment, just enjoying myself and got lost in nature. And, you know, kind of realized that after a while that, you know, getting darker a lot earlier than I thought it was, you know, kind of a strike of time.

And, you know, just seemed to admit it, but I was like, all right, I got to make a site, the campsite right here nearby. You know, because I'm never going to make it to go certified side. And so that's pretty much what I did. You know, I kept the next three or four fish that I caught. Once I got them out, I started setting up camps and, you know, making a fire right off the back so I could pick everything out. And whenever I camp, I just used a hammond. And I got long while I keep on top of it.

But if, you know, it definitely looks pretty kosher as far as the sky goes, I don't even use it. And this was in late February. It was pretty cold. still had my up you know get some pretty notch gear when it comes to that so I wasn't going to use a canopy just sat there by the firelight

you know open air really enjoy myself so by the time it was dark you know I had my fish cooked I'm good to go and get in bed so that's pretty much what I did you know what they talked to

that's the way I like it so I hopped in the hammock you know zipped up in my sleeping bag and just started you know kind of relaxing Now, whenever I'm there, the only thing I ever carry with me is 45. I'm pretty, a lot of, I said, nostalgia for the old 1911. And so that's what I carry, even though they're heavy.

I keep them with me. So I'm laying there, and I keep it in a pocket on the side of my heaven. It's never really concerned. It's more of one of those things where that if I didn't dispose of the fish real good, you know, if a bear comes up or things put out of hand, at least I'm in-controlled situation. So what happened this evening is after I've heard everything, hooked up and he's in bed. I'm laying there and I'm listening to stuff

falling around me and I'm thinking it's just acorns. You know, if you were camping in October or November, acorns are falling out of time. Don't think of me anything of it. And I didn't at the time. And somewhere in that point I kind of realized, you know,

well, it's into February and if any acorns falling, is that actually falling around me. And pretty much as soon as that thought had crossed my mind. One of them hit the side of my hammock and landed on my chest and it wasn't an acorn as a rock.

So the alpha male kind of came out and I really flipped out, hopped out of my hammock as quick as I could because I'm a pretty big guy. You know, I'm 6'5, 280 pounds.

I mean, there's not much that I can't take in my mind, you know. and so I'm screaming. Right. You know, who's out here? You know, what do you, what do you think you're messing with? Like, you know, this is bullshit. I could be better word.

You know, I was enraged, you know, for someone to be out in the middle of nowhere, messing with me. And, of course, I'm yelling at myself. You know, no one answers. You know, I'm kind of feeling like a fool there for a second. And I even know, I feel like, man, you jumped out, you didn't grab your gun. You know, you don't know what the fool's out here. especially in the middle of it could be some meth head or moonshiner, you know, that she's paranoid, you never know what's going to happen.

So I kind of calm down. You know, I'm like, all right, no one's going to get the better of me. You know, I know how to do this. I can sneak up on anybody. I mean, I'm pretty proud of that ability, actually. So it was like, all right, this person thinks are smart. I'm going to get them. So I get away from the fire.

you know, I've got my gun, and relaxed and getting real stealthy. I've got my back away from everything and my eyes adjust. And, you know, of course, there's no moon. It's a new moon just as dark as it can be. You know, I can see as the stars. And maybe an hour, hour and a half,

somewhere in there went by. And I don't ever carry a watch or anything with me around doing this stuff. You know, I just, I count the day, but on what I do whenever I go back. And this is supposed to be a five-day trip, and this was day two. Wow.

So I'm sitting there, you know, for like an hour and a half, and nothing's gone on. It's completely silent. I'm thinking, okay, I'm winging myself out. You know, there's, maybe this was, maybe it wasn't a rock. You know, I didn't take the time to analyze it. Maybe it was, you know, maybe it was a thick mushroom or something fell off a tree or who knows what this is. You know, I'm wiggling myself out. No one answered.

So I come back up to the fire, you know, I'm kind of working myself back down, build my fire up a little bit more because it was just Amber's at this time. You couldn't even cook on, pardon me. Build it back up, you know. Fire gives most everyone a little bit of confidence, and that helped me. I'm good. I'm going to get back to bed.

I'm just saying any worries. So I'm thinking, I got this fire built up, about to hop back in bed, and a rock pretty much. Let's say you get a 16-inch wheel with a 35-inch tire. Imagine that size. It's full circumference. come to rolling down like two foot from my fire and stops.

Because where I'm camping at, you know, I'm near the river, but it comes down at maybe a 75 degree angle and then it flattens out. That's where I'm at and it drops off at 75. And this rock comes rolling through and stops. So I know it didn't roll from very far because it became the momentum to keep going off this little bench that I'm on. And it stops, you know, wraps at the edge of the bench. and but missed the fire by like two foot.

And all right, that's a strange occurrence. Okay, maybe a rock broke loose. You know, there's a ton of loose river rock around here. You know, it is a flood area. So, you know, stuff gets broke loose all the time. Not going to worry about it. Right then, another one comes rolling down with a lot more momentum, runs right through the fire.

I'm losing my mind now. There's just no way this is happening. No way it's lining up this way. I pull my pistol, I'm livid. Someone's definitely screwing with me. And fire off a couple in the air, complete silence. I do the same thing. I get behind the tree.

No one's going to screw with me like this. And I start trying to work my way around them. Because I know they've got to be uphill at me now. There's no way. I never heard him run. There's no way. But there was no answer whenever I was yelling, especially after the shots.

But I don't know if you ever fired a gun and complete silence. ways, it's very deafening. You use everything there for about, you know, two minutes. You're not going to hear any minute sounds. And so I'm just like, I've got to wait this out. I've got to get my sense back about me, get my ears back about me before I can even start stopping.

And so I'm pulling around after, you know, I wait my two or three minutes. I'm trying to wheel around on this person. And there's nothing. You know, most of the times whenever you pull a maneuver on someone, especially in the schedule, they're going to run. They're going to try to gain distance. And the trick there is, is usually you run 56 yards and you can get an angle on them, especially when you've got some sort of light that's coming about, especially if it's a natural light or if there's a tane somewhere nearby. You can angle on them and you can use that for reference. So that's

what I did. Yeah, I run 50, 60 yards around, take me another 45 at the ridge, and, you know, I said. I'm waiting. And nothing. You know, cutting this story kind of short as far as the way I went through the thought process of sneaking on someone, there was nothing. There's no noise, no sound, no movement, nada. You know, I'm close to, by this time, you know, 100 yards away from my fire, I can just barely see the faint light from it. No one's moving. There's not a deer. There's not a bear. There ain't nothing. So by that point, I know, okay, this isn't a human.

There's no, there's no random person that's going to outpake me. Or, you know, unless this is someone else that has quite a bit of military train, they're not going to outflank me, that's for sure, especially on the backwoods of Appalachian mountains. And either they did or there's something else going on. because these rocks had to weigh close to 400 pounds apiece. So no one would, unless they're leveraging them out with something, you know, and moving something bulky.

Because, you know, if you're using a log, you're going to hear a log snap and working underneath the rock. There wasn't any of that. It was like this thing just got up and thrown and landed and rolled. That's pretty much the way it went. Jeez. So pretty much what I did at that point was I waited until, you know, the first light, you know, which, you know, it was mostly like a UV blue light that you can see.

The wood opened up, I packed my crap and I got out. Because the way I viewed it was like, if they're better than me, this isn't anything I'm going to mess with. And initially, I wasn't thinking any kind of big footstiles. You know, I'm doing, this is somebody. And you give it a week or two really dwelling on what happened. And there's not many options. So they got me to looking into it a little bit more. you know, and I talked to some military friends, you know, asking them about that.

So I checked with some of them about, you know, happenings of the store in the area. And there's a limited amount, maybe three or four, and all those are key to answer to disparances. There's not really any other details about it. You know, you've got a couple people that are, let's say, Bigfoot fanatics that they just swear it by it. You know, everything that makes it sound or noise in the woods is Bigfoot. it and our government pretty much wouldn't confirm or deny on either side of it. You know, they're not going to say there is or not to say there isn't. So that's kind of where I stood with it was, well, I don't know what happened, but, you know,

you take the facts of what happened, the way it happened, and let's say it's an outdoorsman who can outsmart me, which you don't know me. A lot of people don't know my background, but I do. You know, close friends know it. So there wasn't very many things I could blame it on. So yeah, I got pretty big doubt about it. Because, you know, in this world, things you don't know about, you know, that brings fear in you. And I'm not a fan of fear.

I think fear is the feeling. It's not a fact. You know, you have what's coming next and that's all it matters. You know, you deal with what can actually happen. And there was things that weren't, to my knowledge, things that could actually happen to me. So I kind of bailed on that area. for the next year. Didn't really want to deal with it,

kind of ignored it. And I'm a God-faring man. You know, I'm strong in my face. So, you know, I bumped around a lot of things. You know, maybe this is something demonic trying to mess with me. This is, you know, God allowing that. Maybe this is a test of some sort in my life.

You know, I was bouncing around on all kinds of things that this event. But the facts that I felt and that I felt and that I saw, you know, and that I heard, you know, there wasn't much that could point to anything that would move, you know, that way that could pick something up that heavy and move it. So, yeah, I lean towards the whole big foot thing. And so pretty much, after that, like I said, I left a year hiatus on that area. I did a lot more my fishing further north and further south, but that area, I just kind of left alone until, I'd say it was more like last June. that I started going back into that area.

More because the fishing's so good. You know, it's like I'm relaxed. I'm used to what happened. You know, it's kind of in the past. You know, I'm dull to that feeling. But this time, I'm going to be a little bit more prepared. So, and when I say prepared, I mean, I don't feel comfortable having two clips, you know,

seven rounds piece and whatever's going on, you know, especially after, like, last time I fired, you know, three of, two or three of them off and, you know, all I got four less, so I got to be sparing. So I was a little bit more prepared this time and a lot more comfortable at, you know, I was carrying more of a tactical pouch with me this time, so I was ready to go to work if it were to happen. So I go back into the area.

Not, well, it's June now. So not this past, or not this June, but a year ago now, I went back into the area. and of course this time it's a lot greener you know all the trees there's a ton of red buds a ton of blad oaks in this area so you know it's a lot more dense you know you can't see the red shop anymore you know to the horizon whatsoever just because of the leaves

and kind of what went on this time was pretty much went back to the exact same spot more out of curiosity I just couldn't help it I've got to go back there because like I said I don't do well with fear I'm going to confront whatever the heck's going on. And so go right back to the same spot, make a point to camp in the same spot. And, you know, that night, it was like any other night. Nothing went on. No, no, you know, I was definitely aware what was going on. But like normally, I would sleep, no problem. And for reference, you know,

I've had several black bears come up and bump me. You know, I'm swinging in a hammock and they'll bump my butt. You know, there's just smells. You know, that's like all they're doing. And it's one of those things where you just, if you've been around it enough, but I hunt bears. Now, this is in a national park mine, so I'm not hunting there. But it's pretty much a respect thing. You know, if you understand the reason they're there, they're there, they're not there because they smell human. They're there because, oh, I smell fish, you know, or I smell bacon that they go the other morning or something of that. So that's the only reason they're there.

And if you let them be, for the most part, you know, I've heard some horror stories, you know, a guy, I think last year actually got drug out of the same. a young boy, he's up 14, got drug out of his hammock by his foot. But if you ever, if you know the locals, you also know this person, they've been cooking, you know, in the same campsite for two days, all their trash, their bacon grease, everything is right there with them. And most likely that's on their feet. You know, they're cooking on a fire. Of course, a bear's going to grab on like that.

So it's a respect thing. You've got to be smart about it. And so I guess that's just to put it in perspective, of, you know, the way I am in the woods. And I wouldn't claim that unless I'd have other people with me. Like, oh, my God, that bear was like right next to you. I don't know if you've ever been around the baritone, but, you know, they're snorting.

Yeah. And it's in all the time. You know, for the most part, you hear them walking up to you. And you can either run them off or even late. And most of the time for me, it's always I woke up too late. You know, it's like, oh, well, if I wake up now, it's going to be an aggressive situation. It's better just to let them do their thing.

And so that first night, that's pretty much the way it was. Nothing went on. Nothing came by. You know, I'm not a herd of reckon or something come by, which, where I was on Highland, you know, I listened to every step that went by. But so I continue on that. You know, I'm going to do my five days and, you know, I'm going to have a good time with this and kind of put it behind me.

And so the second day, I'm up here. And at further upstream, I hit another stream that's basically, if you, basically it's crossing into North Carolina. You know, you go to the National Park, you go across one side, you're on the side of the ridge. And, like, you actually have to cross the Appalachian Trail to get to this side of it. And, you know, I was pulling kind of the same thing, you know,

doing my fishing upstream. And, you know, just having a blast, getting lost in nature. You know, that's what I'm doing. And, uh, it, I made it to a campsite that evening, had my fish with me, you know, but there's some campsites that are used regularly, and you can tell, you know,

there's trees that are cut down, all the dead woods drove away. There's nothing nearby. You're really going to work for it. And I try to avoid those areas just because I don't like, I'm kind of antisocial, I suppose,

to be the best way to put it. So I try to find some really oblivious spots that you're allowed to camping. And that's what I did this time. And so I'm in my campsite. and putting up for the night, you know, got everything cleaned up. And these official camps, like they have places you can string your bag up. You know, if you've got any food, you know, you can run a cable up and it takes, you know,

25, 30 foot up in the air. And that's really just to keep the bears off of it. So I had all that done. So I've all got on the ground there with me. I've got an album and got my pistol and, like, a couple of snacks, you know, because whenever I wake up in the morning, until the sun crests the ridge, I don't get up. I stay put most of the time. So I'm sitting there and mind you it's June so things should be found but kind of the same thing went on where the stuff started learning around me.

Stuff that's dropping from the tree is the way it sounds. You know, instant, I'm thinking this is the same thing again. I'm less than a mile from that other area. This is the exact same way. If someone's phone around set me, it's not, it can't. It can't be a person. You know, there's no way they're here in the same area doing the same thing, you know, a year later. And so I'll just go ahead and get out of my hammock, you know, real calm.

And, yeah, I put my fire out. And luckily this time, it's more of a crescent moon, you know, up in a little bit of light coming in. And so I sit down and back against the tree right next to my attic. you know, it's a pretty flat spot here. You can see around you for about 40 yards on flat ground. And then as you go look up the ridge, pretty much, that's where the tree limbs and the leaves and stuff start kind of sticking up the horizon. And, you know, whenever I've gotten out, of course,

what sounds like acorns dropping stops. And, you know, I pay attention to that for one of these actions, or lack of action, I suppose. and it's like, all right, you know, this is definitely somebody. You know, they just haven't hit me yet. That's what's going on here. And maybe 30, 45 minutes goes by, you know, calm because I'm prepared for this time.

It's a better way it put. And they get back up. And I'm starting to see the rocks falling. You know, I can see them hitting around me, and I can see them rolling and bouncing on the ground. So I get a general direction where they're coming from. Of course, I'm watching, you know, no different than whenever. If you're deer hunt, you know, you hear the sounds, you know, you just start,

you vaguely stay in an area looking for movement. And I start picking it up. And it's kind of a, I know if this is a person, I know where you're at. No matter what it is, I know where it's at. But let's say, I'm trying to use my reasonable side and say, okay, this is a person that's messing with, but something still doesn't allow that to be true. and the movement from it, I'm probably looking,

this time it's probably more of a 45 degree angle up the ridge, and there may be 50 yards away, and I can see their arm, and it coincides with the rocks far, and so there's no doubt that's just is someone throwing something. I'm thinking, what is the intention of this? What is this accomplishing? That's the kind of stuff I'm thinking through all.

No, and the last thing I've going to do is kill something. I don't want to do that by accident ever. You know, I don't want, if it was some kid or, you know, God knows what it could be. I don't want this to be just a rash decision. So I'm waiting it out. You know, and this probably goes on for two hours,

you know, and I'm guessing by this time, it's, you know, 12, 31 o'clock at night or in the morning by this point. And it's like, you know, you've got to have something you're trying to do here. and I almost think I guess let's put it I'm believing that this is

Bigfoot you know this is what it's Sasquatch or whatever you want to call it you know there's got to be something you're trying to accomplish here because I've seen a move two or three times from tree to tree

I've seen just the outline just barely and when I say I don't mean like a full figure outline I mean like the top of the head pretty much and I've seen an arm flicker you know through the moonlight pretty much and, you know, it's like, what are you trying to do?

And nothing happened really that night. I did hear them walk away finally. And maybe, I'll tell you, this was around 4 o'clock in the morning. They finally walked away. Everything stopped. And it's like, you know what I'm saying? Well, that's pretty crazy. I know someone that they're throwing rocks.

I can see them moving. You know, mind you, I don't carry a flashlight with me ever. that's just the way I am. I figure if I'm not prepared enough to have a fire and be ready to go, I shouldn't be there in the first place. You know, I don't like to depend on electronics. Anything electronic, really. My wife now makes me, I don't know.

She makes me carry a GPS. Yeah, so she's making you. Yes, she can ping me and I can ping her back to let her know I'm alive. That's what she needs, you know. So I do that, and that's about the extent of it. And so anyways, you know, it's 4 o'clock. I hear whatever this is, kind of moving off, and it's not like a fast pace.

It wasn't a run, you know, you hear a human walk through the wood, and you hear them, it's a deliberate step, step, step, step, step, kind of like a turkey walking off. To me, a turkey sound almost identical to a human walking in the woods. And you didn't hear that. It was like slower than a deer would step, you know. It's one step slowly, you know, no heel involved, just the pad of foot, and then wait six, eight minutes. You know, it was very random.

There was no cracks, no twig brakes, nothing like that. It was just like a perfect sneak away. It's the only that I could describe it. I couldn't have done it, you know, knowing where they were. And I never saw them whenever they were moving away. I just noticed the lack of movement. And then there wasn't any stones falling, which I'm still thinking,

how do you find this new stones? You know, like every two minutes for four hours. Like, how do you do this? Because, I mean, I would run out of them

if I would fill my pockets full. You know, I would be out of stones. But, you know, after about four o'clock, nothing, hurt them to sneak off, you know,

real slow. And that was it for that day. So, you know, there's nothing aggressive. happened there wasn't a bear and it could come around. So my thoughts were, well, I'm going to hit the next stream over, you know, which is about another two-quarters of a mile.

You know, it's actually the same stream to just branch it off at the top. You know, it's got the same spring feed. And we'll go hit this other one. And that night, it's probably much the exact same thing. Like, I had a full night of little stones being thrown, being able

see arm movement coincide in the stones being thrown. You know, I can see a little bit of the top of an outline on the ridge every once in a while. And pretty much the exact same distance. So to me, there's no doubt this is not a human. If there was a someone

doing this, they're going to have an intention. You know, it's not going to be, they're not just going to throw stones just, you know, because it's fun. They're not going to spend six hours doing that because they enjoy. I mean, to me, you've got to be in your home. You know, that'd be like having an ex-girlfriend from high school

that you can't stand, come and say to leave. You know, what are you going to do? You know, are you going to be the most friendly person in the world? You know, is your wife going to be the most friendly person? No, they're going to be, like, agitated. Please, please leave me. You know, and that's the way I've used it ever since.

So there was two nights, you know, that I've had that. And I've kind of quit going to the area because I get so caught up in what's going on in that area. And there's three streams. that feed into there and one of the three branches in the two actually

so I guess you could say four and that's pretty much what's on there but there's not anything I could say yeah I saw full outlines of a big field or anything like that I'm not planning that to any extent

it's just I saw an outline it's definitely human they've got shoulders they've got a head they've got an arm that they're throwing stuff with you know I know that's not it's not put one sudden you know over there with his moonshine trying to give me run off

and I don't think for a second but it you know the whole idea maybe you know this is God allowing something to happen to me there was some demonic force and I don't think that for a second anymore you know that was me grasping the straws

you know before and after hearing it walk away both times you know I fully believe that it was flesh and blood there's something there that's pretty much where I stand there with it And I'm willing to back again.

It's just, you know, I don't have much as that. Like I said, it pulls away, you know. I used to get a lot more time to get out the woods. Now I do it, you know, maybe four or five times a year. I'll take a week at a time and I'll, you know, I'll spend four or five days out there. So I, and so yeah, it just pulls away from my experience just being in the area. So it's became, I'm not afraid to go there anymore. I know that whatever it is, like I said, I think it's something, it doesn't want me to be there.

You just need to get away. You know, I'm going to keep you awake all night if you don't. that's the way I kind of view it now. And I've never experienced that anywhere else. I've spent the night in the Darien Gap in Central Mexico or Central America, I suppose. I've spent the night there. I've been in the jungle and had monkeys, you know,

that are messing with you all night. And they're the same way sometimes. If they don't want you to be there, they're going to let you know it. They're a lot more vocal about it, too. It's like, get the hell out of my land. I'm sick of you. and, you know, other places they don't want, you know, let's say like in Africa, they're not going to let you know.

If something's going to sneak up on you, they're not going to give you fair warning. They're just coming. And, you know, you're taught that, you know, just be ready. You know, you might get blindsided in a heartbeat, be ready for it because you're not going to know it comes. So this is completely different from a lot of other animal aspects. So like I said, I can relate it to the apes a little bit. and what are they? Leamers.

That's what I've dealt a lot with the gamers. And they're just really loud and really annoying. They're going to keep you awake on it. So I can relate it to that. But I never heard any sounds, you know, at least in the mountains here. It was just rocks. And, you know, seeing something, you know, a body form.

And that's pretty much the extent of what I was on there. And I've been, let's say, from... you know, I've done their AT two times, you know, in full length. And, you know, I've never experienced anything like that while I was doing that. And that was more of a, you know, I want to know how fast I can do this in. You know, that's the way I did it then. I'm a little bit older now, so I'm not a fan of that anymore. So, but yeah, that's pretty much what's went on.

That sums them both up. And I've considered going again, and my wife's a big slice ratio, which she or her Fisher woman. She likes to go. But she's also, she's heard my stories. I'm pretty honest with her about stuff. So she's told me several times, I don't want to go there. You know, I don't want to be around that. I don't need that nerve-wracking thing.

And she knows exactly what I'm talking about. We've talked through it before, but we never stayed tonight. And that's always been things that went on. So. So when you saw this thing throwing rocks at you, I know you said you didn't have a flashlight.

So were you able to see? like the size of the arm or if it had hair on it or anything? No, I couldn't see the size of the arm. All I could see when that was going on was like a flash of movement. I could definitely see a shoulder in heads, or shoulder in heads, shoulder and head. But as far as the size, because of the angle that I was at, you know, once it was really steep, like 75 degrees, probably 70 degrees. And the other one at 45, you know, they're 50 yards up.

you know, you could be six foot tall and still seem like you're nine foot tall. Do I think they were large? Yes. I mean, the head was definitely large. The arm couldn't say much about the size of the arm. It was, I just saw the flash, you know, where someone was selling something. And that was all I could keep up with. Okay, I got you. Yeah, and you said that you heard multiple walking away, right? It wasn't just like one. It was multiple big foot or whatever it was. Yeah, there was more than one movement.

I never could track more than one at a time as far as what I could see the movements. But like if I, you know, if you ever just sit, like I don't know if you're a hunter and all, but if you're hunting, you know, a lot of times you're not staring at this law. You're not staring at this tree. You're staring in a general direction. And you kind of let your eyes close out to pick up the movement. Right. And so when you see that little flash, you can zoom in on that spot, like your eyes will focus in that area.

And that's pretty much what I was doing. So at most initially, I thought, you know, this is one person or one being, let's say. But, you know, if you get 20 yards between here and there and you don't hear any movement between those spots, well, you've got to assume there's at least two. You know, I would say at least two, maybe three the first night that I had the issue, but the second night, probably two. Because I never heard movements between, you know, there was maybe 20 yards between the two areas. that things were being thrown from

and the angles that I was getting the rocks dropping down. And whenever I'm saying these rocks, they're like the size of a dime maybe. You know, these are very small rocks. But definitely rocks. There's no doubt about it. You know, after the first night, you know, I made a point to look, you know,

the next time I was up there, they were definitely rocks being thrown. It was like river gravel, basically. All smooth stones. And so I would say most, too. But whenever everything was moving, it was, I knew the direction, you know, but it was, if there was more than one moving, it was very calculated the way they moved. You know, there was one step and then like another

minute, maybe three minutes, you know, and then the next step. You know, they were in no rush wherever they were doing, you know, wherever they were going. They knew how to move in the woods. And it's like if you were moving yourself, you wouldn't have ever heard it. You know, I had to be completely stagnant, you know, almost hold my breath to hear each step. So if I'd say that there was a number, two would be the minimum three at most. Do you think that they were, you know, trying to get you to leave an area, or do you think they were just trying to bother you? It doesn't seem like they were trying to hurt you because, I mean, if they were trying to hurt you, you'd think they would take bigger rocks. Right.

Whenever I came back to the second time, the first time, I think it was kind of a fear tactic. looking back at it. It started with rocks. Like, I want to get your attention. You know, you're bothering me. And then I think the rocks, I think it was a convenient thing. You know, where I was at, there was a lot of large rocks anyways. So to me, it's the thing where I can just roll this down that way, you know.

And he's going to get the point. That's the kind of the way I look at it now. The other time, I think it was, I don't think aggressive whatsoever. I think it was an annoying thing. I want you to leave, but I'm not going to expose myself. in any way, you know, you know, just like if it was someone, if you were going to shoot at somebody,

you know, they're going to do their best to stay behind a tree the whole time. You know, if they're not aggressive and you would shoot, they're, you know, I'm not going to come out from behind a tree, you know, unless I have a reason to. So I think that's pretty much, it was more of a, please get away.

You know, that's the way I take it now. You know, because I've had a lot of time to think about it. and it was just the best way I think that they could, you know, signal to anything, you know, if they wanted to leave, if you wanted to run a deer off without saying, without a deer seeing you up at the tree stand, I mean, don't rock is a good way to get run off. You know, they're going to get kind of agitated, a little bit timid, you know, something's not right. I'm going to run off.

So that's kind of the way I took it was. It wasn't aggressive. It was, you know, just get out of this area. You know, I think they wanted me to be somewhere else. Yeah, that's a very common thing. I mean, it's just one of those things where a lot of people report very similar actions and that's obviously one of them. You know, you kind of hinted towards it in the beginning of the interview. But what do you think these things are, man? I mean, like, do you think that they're just literally just natural animals that we just haven't found yet? Or do you think there might be a little bit of something more to it but not necessarily a paranormal aspect? No, I don't think there's a paranormal. aspect personally and with talking to some other people that I'm not a fan of talking to let's say civilians about stuff like that because people's mind like to run I like to talk to people that have been trained in the same way I have that they you deal with facts this is what happened this is what's

going on this is where it was this is what's you know where these people are you know stuff like that so I take yeah I think that this is a flesh and blood thing that um You know, it's just a reclusive thing. I kind of believe in the whole nocturnal side of it, kind of like deer. You know, you're going to see it, have a lot more deer movement whenever it's completely dark. You know, I think that, not that I've ever shined anything like this, but I imagine they probably have that photo layer behind their eyes, you know, the mirror side of it. I'm sure that they would probably have a glare or eye shine if you shined them.

just because how comfortable they were in the dark. And being able to find things, like, you know, I imagine if it is a big foot, it doesn't have pockets. So they're finding these rocks, you know, in the dark and throwing them. So I think that, I think it's flesh and blood, you know, just throw that out there. Yeah. It's a solid answer.

Yeah. I think it's a natural thing here. I think there's a limited number. And, Nick, let's see, how to put it, I would put them on an

they're definitely intelligent, whatever it is. But I can't say much more other than it probably is more of some kind of relation to an ape of some sort. And that's talking to

some other people kind of like me that have had similar experiences. Most of those are in Virginia, actually. the people I know. But they view it the same way.

There's never been anything aggressive for them. It's always been like an annoyance. Never in the daytime, ever. So to me, it's just some, it's no different than those lemurs. You know, they're loud and, you know, though I don't believe they're smart, you know, a lemur at least.

So whatever this is, it's large. bigger brain you're going to think things through. You know, I've done a little bit more looking into it, you know, same thing, kind of admitting to myself, you know, what actually happened. So they're probably, you know, vocal at least. You hear about them being vocal all the time.

You know, there's all kinds of recordings on the Internet if you want to do. What is it really not? But if they are, you know, I'd say, you know, for every five that's real, or five that's fake, there's maybe one that's real. I've heard some stuff that if it is it's not anything else

I've heard in the woods you know I've heard a coyote so some of the stuff I've heard on the internet like yo that definitely

in a coyote you know that's not a raccoon fighting of anything that's definitely not a bear you know I've heard help bug going

that's definitely not an elf you know I've heard monkey screeching it's close to that you know you know I've heard a orangutan

just absolutely bellow you know from the gut and there's some similar sounds there yeah absolutely i mean it's you know it's one of those things where i have like these mixed opinions on it where like i definitely think they're physical creatures and i think they can be killed uh but at the same time i'm like i hear i hear other people's stories i'm like well

it seems like they have other abilities too that i don't quite understand it's just it can be confusing at times but i definitely believe that they are physical creatures i do believe that they can be killed. But I do think that there are more to these things than than we can understand at this point at least. I think there's something about these things that

we just, it's different. It's just different. And so yeah, well, you know, like I follow less drought, you know, Survivor Man. I'm a big fan. I love the way he does stuff. I've actually had a few conversations with him.

Not that you would know me. I think I'm claiming that for a second, but we've got some online conversations about some stuff, more not at all to do with this, but that I know he's a real man, you know, he's a real person. He lives what he does. I mean, I think very highly of him. And, you know, some of the stuff he's had going on and his personal accounts, you know, maybe there is a little bit more to it, but I don't have it. I don't have anyone that I know on a firsthand basis or first-name basis at least that can make that claim, you know.

Right. because from what I understand, he's a pretty big believer now, you know, and the proponent of the whole big foot movement, if you want to call that. Big time. So, you know, from what I see from that man, he's straightforward on everything. I don't think he's going to BS anybody. And that's one of the things that, you know, that kind of made me admit to myself was watching some of the stuff this man's dealt with and what he has to say about it.

And I like to think I've spent a lot of time to do it, But I imagine he's probably spent a little bit more. He's a little bit more hardcore than I am. Right. So, you know, and watching some of his things, you know, there's been stuff that involves lights. You know, I think there's one that he was doing in Alaska that involved that. You know, I had some lights going on.

I didn't have any other counters, but he thinks they may go hand in hand, but he's not going to make any kind of claim, you know. So I think I stand on the same side. You know, it's just, it's flesh and blood. it's intelligent enough. They have their own realm per se. You know, I know the woods pretty good,

but they probably know it better than me. If I spent 24-7, you know, I'm going to have my places to hide out. I'm going to have my ways to get somewhere, and you're never going to know. You know, someone, you know, before we actually started the interview, you know, I was down in a holler,

you know, where we had terrible phone reception. And, you know, if someone came down there on me, I'm going to know it. You know, the moment they stepped foot inside my ridge, I'm going to know. you know, it's just, there's, I know my, my land, you know, and, and, you know, maybe I'm a little paranoid, so I've isolated myself that way, but I know, I know, I know my property, and I imagine they probably know theirs. I can't imagine how they wouldn't. So, but again, that's kind of why I go back to it. It's a flesh and blood thing. I don't think there's much anything, nothing has proven to me that it's, there's anything paranormal going on surrounding it.

You know, it's just they are what they are. Like you said, I believe, you know, if one walked out 30 yards from me, I'm going to probably put two in the chest and run the head. You know, they're going to be done for, given the opportunity, because, you know, there's so much around this, you know, especially, you know, with the Internet age here, and everyone's able to communicate everywhere and talk about everything, you know, hey, I don't care about being famous, but this is such a big thing.

I would want to prove it. you know. Oh, yeah, for sure. So, and that's the only way it's ever going to happen. You know, they're going to have to be flesh and blood, and it's going to have to be laid out in front of somebody. And it's not going to be able to do something like you take the game checking session. And, you know, the game wardens like, oh, crap.

You know, because who knows they might know something about it and sworn to privacy about it. Or they might have someone else they call them. And it's a hush, hush thing. I imagine this has already happened, you know. I think so. There's one already been killed. and it's like, oh my God, you know, we can't let us get out.

You know, people are going to quit going into the mountains. You know, like Smoky Mountain National Parks, their attendance is going to either skyrocket or it's going to plumb it because no one wants to be near this. And so that's kind of the way I think it is. You know, Teddy Roosevelt, you know, he's wrote about this stuff. That was something else. That's one of those men that I hold in high regards,

and I've read a lot of his memoirs. And he's talked about encounters with these wild men. And I think Teddy's kind of a man. You know, as far as presidents go. And so it's, how can you take a memoir that he, this man that was so well known that did so much, especially for wildlife conservation and dismiss everything he wrote about. Why would a man like that lie about something, you know? And, you know, if anything, he's going to protect it.

You know, that's just a little, there's so many things that lead up to. there's so much factual evidence, you know, from reputable people that are coming forward over the ages, you know, how can it not be real? And like I said, it's just been over time, you know, for me, at least reading all this stuff and slowly gaining interest in it, you know, that I'll finally come to that conclusion. And talking to other people, like, I have some friends that are well up in the military and you have some certain things like, hey, is this real or is this not? And it's sometimes you'll get a, yeah, it's real. And then other times you'll get a, I can't really say. You know, and, you know, it could be something way off the wall, and they still might answer like that.

You know, they're good. You know, they're good at lying. And even, like, one of them, I grew up with the boy. You know, he's the same age as me, but he's still enlisted, and, you know, he does some big stuff. And he, you know, I'm not like I'm saying. There's some things that have been confirmed that blow him mind. So if those things are real, why not this? You know, he doesn't do a lot of ground stuff.

So I don't think he's able to get clearance for everything. But the ones that pretend to him, he definitely does. And he's confirmed him for him. Now, you might have to get a few drinks in him before he will, but he'll let him slip to the people that he's known since he was nine. So yeah, that's where I stand on that. Well, Andy, I totally get it, man. I mean, everybody has, you know, their own opinions as to what these things are. But, you know, I definitely, I definitely agree with a lot with what you said and stuff. And I do, I do definitely think that the only way this thing is ever going to be proven is if you take one down and you bring the body in. I don't think that you can bring the body in just to

one location. I think you're going to have to chop that body, body up and take it to several locations very quickly, all at the same time, preferably, to help keep from it getting in the wrong hands. I think it's going to have to be done very quickly, very tactfully. And I just don't know how many people that actually have the opportunity to take one down would know to execute on that kind of level. Right. Because honestly, if I was in that moment, you know, I wouldn't think about that. Right. Right. I'd be like, oh, my gosh, look at what people are going to be amazed. I wouldn't be thinking about, oh, I've got to prove it to everybody. I've got to cut this thing into five pieces, let alone trying to drag the thing out.

You know, from what I hear, you know, even supposedly these infants are weighing, you know, they're being born at like 30 pounds probably. And then after that, all well over 150, you know, death weight, that's not easy to get around. Where I've been at, I sure wouldn't want to be dragging out those 150, 200-pound deer, let alone whatever this thing might weigh. So, because from what you hear, you know,

they assume anywhere from 5 to 800 pounds, you know, I can't imagine. Now one thing I will add, I never did look at where in this area. Now I think about it, I never looked at where, let's say, that Bigfoot was standing. I never went up there and investigated that.

More from lack of, I didn't need to in the moment. Well, alone, I didn't have anything that I could take a picture with or anything like that, but I knew something was there. I knew something was sewing.

I knew it was upright. So there wasn't any much more reason for me to go up there. So I will add that in there, but I didn't investigate the ground or anything of that sort because I wasn't really concerned with it. So that might take away from his credibility, but in no way. In no way I'm a big to hunt or anything like that. I just enjoy being outside, the serenity itself.

So. I get it, man. That's cool. No, it's fine. I'll tell you what, Andy. I really appreciate coming on and sharing the story and stuff and talking a little bit. It's been interesting because a lot of times you hear people say that they see these things, but you saw the arm actually

throwing the pebbles or the stones or whatever it was, but it seems to me like it didn't really want to hurt you and stuff, so that's good. But... Go ahead. Oh, I'll say no, I don't feel that way at all. I think it was an annoyance. I was on their nerves.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, I'll tell you what, Andy. Thanks for coming on, man. I appreciate it. Hey, glad to do it. All right, brother. Take care. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it.

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