The Confessionals - RELOADED | 111: The Abduction Cover-up

Episode Date: August 5, 2024

Episode 111 is a special one! It took a direction that was a little unexpected as you will hear in Tony's tone as the interview moves along. Austin shares with us his partial memories of being abducted off-planet, and shares all the details he can remember. But that is only where this episode begins. Austin shares what has happened to him when he began talking about this experience with his father and a friend from school. They were all visited by a unidentified man who threatened them and told them to shut up, in one way or another. After Austin contacted The Confessionals, the threatening nature of these people became more aggressive, and escalated to a point where he felt he had no choice but to speak out to keep himself and his family safe.MEET TONY AT:9/4 - 9/7 - PhenomeCon: https://linktr.ee/merkelmediaSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comThe Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinAFFILIATESGo Silent with SLNT Faraday Bags: https://alnk.to/clXuRY5EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase!SPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducer

Merkel Media I guess it's time to go back in time Are you telling me you built a time machine Kind of a Dolion Time is but a stubborn illusion I have a lot of memories

Of the past People are time traveling within themselves Time travel Is possible This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed but no one was supposed to talk about it. Boney fingers

reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant.

With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. And spears down. Holds him up. like this. Somebody else. Shoot them in the face.

Shoot them in the face. They basically decapitated. And I look over and there are two small, getting pulled off the best. Bush and I touch it because I know I'm seeing a monster. Okay. I reload it. Yep. Welcome to the show, everybody.

You're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or story you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessional. The Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. That's The Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com.

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I really do appreciate it. Now, I want to let you guys know that this past month in January, we had just under 500,000 downloads for the month of January. And I want to start a new campaign for February to help incentivize people to share the show around. I want to let you know that if we reach 750,000 downloads for the month of February, I will release a special episode in March just for you guys for helping me share the show around. Now, where can you share social media, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter? You can share it on work memos, work email list. I don't care how you share the show.

But if you share the show around to help us grow it to 750,000 downloads in the month of February, I will release a special episode just for everybody else in March. So if that interests you, I'd highly appreciate it. You guys sharing it around social media through emails. I don't care. Just share the show. Really do appreciate it. Now this week we have Austin coming on the show and Austin is going to be sharing with us

his abduction encounter that he has partial memories about. But what's interesting about this is Austin also shares things that are happening in current times. He is being stocked. He's being followed. There are people coming to his home and it kind of involves this show. So without any further delay, let's get to Austin and unfold this abduction cover up. Okay, today we have a great guest coming on.

We have Austin. Austin, how you doing, bro? brother. Good, man. How about yourself? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. So, uh, you have a very unique experience. I say very unique as in we've heard similar experiences on the show, but this experience that you have had, uh, is something that has happened in your past, but also happening in the present. And it actually involves the show in a sense. And it's, it's just kind of a weird situation that I think is, uh, worth talking about and you feel comfortable talking about, which is at one point you didn't. Uh, but basically, let me

break this down for people before we dive into things. We did a show with a guy named Tony Rodriguez back in October. I think it was October 2nd. I think it was episode 91 and it was called the alien abducted time traveler. And basically this guy recounts the time where he was abducted and put into what they call a 20 in back where he was basically forced into work slavery kind of thing for 20 years, travels back in time, put back in his body like nothing ever happened. And you heard that interview and it kind of sparked something in you because you've had very similar experiences. You say that you don't remember all the details that Tony remembers, but you definitely, what you do remember is very similar to what Tony experienced. And you remembered this when you

were a child. And you had some things happen after that. That kind of leads into more modern times here with the show and your life and things like that. And I just want to kind of help you draw the picture out for everybody. So right now what I want to do is I want you to kind of just go back in time and let us know the things that you remember. I know you don't remember everything, but the things that you do remember involving this idea of being abducted and, you know, off-earth kind of things. Would you please share with us the details that you do remember? Yeah, sure, thanks. So it all started when I was 10 years old. I was in fourth group up one night to a very hard blow to my chest.

And it shot me up out of bed. I was very frantic. I had all these new memories and knowledge just kind of overwhelming me. And to the point that my dad heard me from his bedroom and he came in to see what was going on. And I started telling him all these things. that I remember. And, you know, he was, he was kind of freaked out by it, thinking that there's no way a 10-year-old kid should be saying such a thing.

But, you know, he listened and, you know, there were some things that happened beforehand that kind of tied it all together for him. But as far as my first memory, I remember, you know, being, you know, in my youth, and after this had happened, sitting through classes. and things, things like that, classrooms, with all this, you know, propaganda-type pictures of these other life forms and going through classes and training, you know, how to train your mind for the things that you're going to see

and, you know, things like that. And, yeah, that was really the majority of what I remember in my youth. And that's the most frustrating thing. I wish I remembered more. especially from my youth. But really, all I can seem to recall is sitting in these classroom, you know, type situations. We're going over all this stuff that we're going to see and, you know,

the types of missions that they do and why they do them. And then it really kind of jumps into where I had to have been at least 18 years old. And we were leaving the side of this mountain, this base that was in the side of a mountain. and we got on board this triangular shape craft. It was black. It had three lights on each of the corners underneath of it, and then one in the middle. And we had got on this craft,

and the next thing I knew, we had landed on, like, this platform, and there were dome structures and, like, a couple of, like, obelisk-type towers and, like, entrances that looked like they went, you know, subterranean. and this officer was walking us into the base,

and he was explaining about the moon and saying that if we had thought that the moon was just there by chance that we were crazy, basically it was there by design and giving us all these dimensions and everything of, you know, kind of proving, you know, why it's there and things like that, that it was not, that it's by design, basically, not happenstance. But we walked into the,

this, you know, building and, like, there's like this almost gladiator type arena in there that we walked through and we walked across there and there were all these people sitting in chairs, like, you know, up in the stands. I don't know what they were there for or what they were doing. Yeah, that was really the frustrating thing is jumping from 10 years old being in a classroom and then all of a sudden I'm 18 or at least. I know, could have been older, and then we're on the moon, you know, dealing with all this stuff. Okay, so you're in a spacecraft and you're taken to the moon. My first thought is you said, next thing I knew it, we were on the moon.

Is this something that you actually kind of took off so fast and you're on the moon, or was it something that they put you under? I feel like it was more something that I was put under. I just, I have a hard time, you know, just, you know, with G forces and things like that, being like it's an instantaneous trip. So I feel like I had to have been put under, I remember a little bit about the craft being inside of it. And it sounds so strange to say it out loud. But like when we were walking into this room where we were going to sit down in these chairs, like the further we got into the room, like we could see through the outer, and could see the sky and everything.

It was very strange. But I didn't see any, you know, other life form in there at the time. It was like we sat down and then next thing, you know, hey, we're here. And time to end up. I got you. So he tells you that the moon's there, but if you think it's there by accident or whatever, you're crazy. Do you remember any explanation as to why the moon's there then? And I'm assuming that the...

Yeah, he made it soon. Like it was like a space station in itself. An observation point for us that say that like we're some science experiment or something like that. But that it's an observation point that it's been used that way for who knows how long, you know, hundreds of years. And, you know, he was giving us these dimensions that it was like 2,160 some miles across at the equator. But I remember him saying that the sun is 400 times the size of the moon and just so happens to be 400 times further away, giving us, you know, totally eclipses and things like that.

I remember him saying, like, if you pay attention, you know, most of the craters are pretty well all the same depth. That's because the moon's hollow. And it just kind of blew my mind, you know, listening to it. And, you know, I remember, you know, just from school, you know, just thinking like, you know, this is completely contradicting, you know, then I don't see him teaching us this, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, absolutely.

I mean, obviously this is contradicting. It goes against the science that you're taught, right? And so this experience that you have, remind me, when you, this memory of yours, this happened, let's just say 10 years old, right? It wasn't when you were 18. You just got the memory when you were 18, right? Right. Okay, got you.

Yeah, it's like, you know, being 10 years old. years old and like I remember being a kid sitting in the classroom. I remember being at least 18. I was obviously older and, you know, walking through this, you know, space station or or building or whatever, you know, with this officer and everything. And I remember being like eye level. So I was obviously grown. That's interesting. The fact that you were eye level with him showing you that you were older and bigger than a 10-year-old when you're receiving these messages. Yeah. That's interesting. Like I said, the frustrating part is not knowing pretty well anything between 10 and that time.

And I've tried going through this, you know, hypnotic regression type thing, trying to set up appointments. And this kind of ties into what's going on right now, you know, real time. But therapists or doctors have canceled on me, refusing to see. after I've already set the appointment up. Yeah. Now, before we get going on some of that stuff, I wanted to ask you a little bit more here. So he says the moon is hollow

and that you had said that you saw obelisk or obelisks and what else was it that you saw up there? It was like dome-like structures and we had landed on this platform, this runway type of thing. But there's just all kinds of different

types of structures. and I remember him saying that, you know, the craters were pretty well all the same depth. That's because it's hollow and that if you were to crash something into the moon, it would ring like a bell for, who knows how long. It's a very strange. You know, my mind was thinking there. Somebody, I just heard that recently. I'm not kidding you. I heard somebody talking about the moon ringing like a bell.

I can't remember where I heard it. I don't think it was on Tony Rodriguez's episode. That's very interesting. I'm assuming that the docking spot that you landed on the moon was on the dark side of the moon. Like all this stuff is happening on the dark side of moon, I'm assuming? Yeah. Yeah, from what I could tell, it had to have been the backside. But there were different types of craft there, and I remember this officer or whoever he was,

you know, explaining how some of them worked. like the flying saucer type worked a little bit different than the triangular ones and and so on and so forth. I remember specifically him telling me about the saucer-shaped ones that they have. I remember him saying that it was a reactionless craft, meaning that there was nothing, you know, like a car you put fuel in, it throws shit out the exhaust and pushes you forward. that this thing moved

like they had these they were like a little dome there were three different domes on the top of this saucer that could be positioned and moved and angle to basically push the space down in front of it if that

makes any sense and pull it forward instead of pushing it forward if that makes any sense and I remember you know telling like it almost like if you were to put like a on a bed and then you push down in front of it, it's going to roll forward. Okay, I got you.

Okay. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm a truck driver. That's more of my talking language there. Ball, push, ball, got it. Yeah. Ball push, good. Yeah.

I can't remember how exactly he said the triangular one worked, but it was slightly different than the saucer-shaped one. But for whatever reason, I specifically remember him explaining the saucer-shaped and how it worked. I got you. Okay. So I'm thinking it's on the dark side of the moon. It makes sense, right? I mean, because we see the other side. Now, what are your thoughts on, and this is pure, you know, opinion on your behalf. But what's your thoughts about China and how they just landed on the dark side of the moon, supposedly? And I think it's all bullshit and that it's that they've landed somewhere else. that could be similar to it and sending those pictures back. I don't, they're not going to, just from my experience, and I know how crazy all this sounds, like, believe me,

but they're not going to land something back there, like honestly, and take pictures of what's back there and relay that back for the general public. It's just, it's not going to happen. And I've heard, you know, I've done a little bit of research on, you know, you know, like the fake moon landing and everything. I believe, you know, Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong landed on the moon.

Have you ever seen their press conference when they got back? It's very strange. They're very somber. It's like, you know, you just, you know, did something for the first time in, you know, human history. They weren't happy. And, you know, I've heard about the missing couple of minutes of tape and everything like that. But I find it very strange, especially now, like, in real time. when Buzz Aldrin talks, he says when we aliens landed on the moon.

He'll always say something like that. It's very strange how he discusses it and describes it. But yeah, I don't believe that they're going to land something back there on the far side of the moon, like as it is and share that with us. There's just no way. No, and I absolutely agree. I mean, if that's what's on the moon and all that stuff, there's no way they're going to show it to us. So what you're suggesting and what it sounds like is that there isn't just a United States government conspiracy cover up with NASA and things like that.

We're talking about a global cover up, a global operation that is on another level because we do have wars on Earth. We do have countries fighting against each other, putting sanctions on each other, tariffs, things like that. You know, we're heavily taxing China. And there's just so many conflicts here on Earth that obviously our governments don't work together. but there must be some kind of higher up government above the government that we're presented that is working together to cover these things up if these things are happening, right? I mean, that's the only conclusion that I could think of. Absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely. There's no question about that. Okay. Yeah, I mean, if I went through what you went through and I have these thoughts and memories in my mind and I know they're real, the more you listen to other people's stories, you're like, we're all having the same experiences. this is stuff that's really happened to us. I would be pretty pissed off

dealing with the day and day out news media. Hey, this is what's going on in the world. It's like, no, this is not what's going on in the world. You have no idea. You're clueless. And it must just drive you nuts because you're living in a world that doesn't even recognize you. Right. And that's part of the reason.

I had such a hard time. You know, once I kind of came back to with all these new memories and everything in school, like I was a straight- student. And I became really kind of rebellious and argumentative about it and really challenged the teacher. You know, she got really, really upset with me several times. It was just like, you're not going to tell me this because I know this.

And, you know, I wasn't trying to be, you know, a little asshole about it. But it was like, I know what you're telling me. Like, I know you don't know that it's a lie. I do. So I don't want to hear it type of thing. Right. And so at that point, I mean, you're starting to kind of go downhill in school. and stuff like that because, I mean, obviously, you're disturbed. You have, you know, other things going

on outside of, you know, trying to have, let a teacher teach your brain things that you just reject, flat out reject, you know? So I can understand that. I really can. So you have these experiences, you have these memories. You remember them at 10 years old. You remember about 18 years old. This guy visits you and you and you and your dad both had a visit, right? Correct. Now, what's this guy tell your dad again? I know we talked about it before. Yeah, so this guy visits my dad a couple of days before this whole thing starts with me waking up. And he is asking my dad questions about me and schooling. And, you know, if I've talked about what I wanted to be when I grow up, it's just really, really strange question. and he never introduced himself to my dad

to explain who he was or anything but it was after school and my dad just got home from work and I just found this out recently within the last few weeks but you know this guy he tells my dad tells this guy that I'm just in the neighborhood somewhere

he can go find me if he needs to talk to me about something and the guy said, no, no, no, it's fine. We're going to be seeing soon anyway and hands him a plastic secret service badge. And, you know, when my dad told me that, like I had blocked it out, I'd forgotten about it, but after he told me that,

I remember my dad giving the badge to me and, you know, thinking, where in the world are you giving a 10-year-old to plastic badge? Like, I want to go play cops and robbers or something. Like, all I want to do was ride bikes and play sports. You know what I mean? So I remember sitting it back down on the table and, you know, basically telling him I didn't want it.

I don't know why you'd give it me this. All right. So you get this plastic badge, and I'm assuming it was like a toy, right? It wasn't like anything authentic. Yeah, it was like a little, it had a little pin on the backside of it. It was golden color. It had like an eagle on it. And it said, you know, a member of the Secret Service.

And, you know, I did. I don't know, you know, I remember thinking at the time, like, why in the world are you giving me this? He didn't tell me that some guy had given it to him. I think he was a little bit creeped out still that, you know, not knowing who the hell this guy was and what he wanted. But then, you know, after I woke up from this experience or came back to, whatever you want to call it, you know, like we talked about, you know, kind of slipping in school a little bit, I told my closest friend. And, you know, he believed me, you know, he kind of had a hard time wrapping his head around it, but he knew that I'm not one to make something up like that.

But then that day I came home from school and I was playing in the neighborhood with all the other kids. We were playing basketball and a black foreign focus pulled up next to my house. I saw a guy in a suit get out and he's walking around my yard and he's looking in the windows. So I told all my buddies, like, hey, give me a minute. I'm going to go see who this guy is and why he's walking around my yard.

So I remember walking up and seeing Nevada license plates on the car and he said, hey, you must be Austin. I said, yes, sir, how can I help you? And he said, yeah, you can help me. I need you to quit talking about what you're talking about. I know you've told your friend

and your father. If I have to come back here, then I'll make it to where no one. was ever going to find you or your family. I'm not going to tell you again. Keep your mouth shut about it. Don't make me come back. And like he winked at me and said,

thanks for your service as he was walking away. And he got back in his car and he left. And then when I told my dad about this, you know, I explained, you know, gave him a description of what this guy looked like. I remember the look on his face, like kind of like he knew something. But at the time, you know,

I wasn't comprehended. handing it until, you know, just recently when him and I had talked about it. And he explained, he's like, I know you weren't lying because you gave me the same description of a guy that came and saw me. Right. And so this guy that comes and sees you and stuff, how old was he roughly? He was probably 35 to 40. I remember him, like, he didn't have a hat on, like a man in black or whatever you want to call it. But he had a black suit on, he had glasses on, and he had like red hair,

like dirty blonde with some red in it, and he had a mustache. But he kept his glasses on. And then I find out, like this friend of mine that I had told, we really, we quit talking after that, which was very strange. We were never in the same class again. And, you know, we'd say, hey, in the hallway when we'd pass each other or, you know, out on the playground or something.

But, you know, I just reached out to him a while back when all this was going down as well to see if he remembered anything. And he told me that his dad was visited by this guy. And I don't know if it's the same one. He said he never got a description from his dad, but basically told his dad to not let him communicate. with me anymore. So we didn't. And, you know, that bothered me all these years. But like I said, I just found this out on, you know, what day was it? Probably back in late December when all this was going down. Wow. That's, that's pretty crazy. And so clearly, you know, this was a cover-up where, you know, they're not going to tell your dad to stop talking to his son, but they went to the only other person

that you communicated to and said you were no longer allowed to talk to him. And they listened. Right. And that's the crazy thing. I mean, somebody actually came to somebody's father. It's like somebody coming to me and saying, don't work. Yeah, he showed up to this guy's work. He owned a transmission shop, came and got him, and basically told him, like, do not allow

your son to associate with this Austin kid anymore. Like, done. don't make me come back type of thing. And we didn't. And I had no clue about this for 21 years. Yeah, until late December, whenever I reached out to him to see if he remembered any of this. He said, that's why we quit talking. So what does he think about this?

I mean, you approach him all these years later, and you talk to him about, you know, what had happened, and he tells you this. I mean, where's his thought process in this? Is he just thinking this, chalking up is just a weird situation he doesn't want to touch? Or is he trying to probe into this as well? He doesn't really want any part of it. He was really glad whenever I reached out to him. I reached out to his dad and told him who I was and everything.

He remembered me because, I mean, like I said, we were close, man. He was always over at my house or I was always out at his. So he remembered me and everything, and I asked him if it'd be okay if I, you know, reached out to my buddy, you know, if he could give me his number. And he gave it to me. And, you know, my buddy was happy to hear from me and everything. He's like, you know, I thought about this, you know, all this time, you know. He's like, I think about it quite a bit. Always wondered how he'd been and everything.

So he was glad that I reached out to him. And he told me, you know, his dad came home from work one of me. night and told him like, hey, you know, like, whatever this Austin dude is into, like, and us, like, don't talk to him anymore. He's like, I don't know, don't want to know, but you're not allowed to talk to him anymore. And this all happened, like, right before school got out of fourth grade. So coming back, like, we were in every, every grade, we were in the same class. And then from that point on, we were never in the same class.

Do you think that was by design? I don't know, man. There's been, you know, so many things going on here recently and even up to last night that I can't rule it out, that it's by design. Okay. Yeah, we're about to start transitioning into, unless there's something else we need to talk to, we're going to start transitioning into the experiences that have been happening in current times. And, you know, this guy that contacted you when you were a kid, he shows up in a, a, uh, a, uh, a, uh, what was it, a Fort Torres or something like that. Yeah.

And he freaking threatens basically you, your dad, and your friend. I mean, in one way or another, there's a threat. And for a long time, how many years has been since that has happened? Like roughly, 20 years, roughly? 20 years, roughly. 21 years. 21 years. 21 years ago that happened.

For 21 years, you kept your mouth shut. You don't talk to anybody. And what happened? I mean, are you just searching for podcasts one day? and you come across my show. Yeah, well, so what had happened was I've always been into like cryptids and stuff like that. And recently just kind of got into podcasts because I have an hour drive from my house to work, you know, and I get tired of the same old song podcast.

And I got into a real big, big foot kick, and I found Sasquatch Chronicles. and big fan of the show and I had had an experience with that that I shared with Wes and, you know, he always plugs your show, you always plug his so I checked yours out. So I was just kind of going through yours, catching up

and going through the episode and I see the Tony Rodriguez description and I was like, well, that sounds interesting. So listen to that, and it was just like, holy shit. And I was like, this makes perfect sense.

this is what I went through because obviously I knew that I had grown up in it from sitting in a classroom to walking in this base on the moon at eye level with this grown up officer. I knew that I had to have been in this for some time. And so when I heard his story, it kind of just kind of all clicked. But I didn't know, like I said, you know, in the email,

it's frustrating to not know all the details. I'm envious of him that he knows and has all these answers and descriptions and details and I want to to kind of put it all together. So I kind of sent you a vague email on the way home from work one day and kind of alluding to the instance that I had, but mainly more like I want to talk to you about all this paranormal stuff because growing up I gave an intent.

Some of the things that I went through. blow your mind, but, you know, I alluded to this. Like, you know, I don't really want to talk about it on the air now until I know more details, but I'd be more than happy to share it with you. And then, you know, I was waiting for a response back. And then a couple of days later, I start being followed. And at first, the first day, like, it started, I sent you that email around mid-December. And then December 16th is the first day that I realized I was being followed.

followed. So I leave for work, like, really early in the morning. And, you know, I was going out the entrance to the neighborhood, and I saw this black, all blacked out Tahoe. And, you know, I was thinking, damn, that's nice. I'd like to have one of those. Well, then as soon as I pass it, like, its lights turn on and it pulls out behind. And I was like, well, that's weird. You know, nobody's up at 2 o'clock in the morning, you know. But whatever, you know. So it's. It followed me all the way to work. And as I got to work, there's a car dealership lot right across the street from our parking lot. And it turned in there and just parked while I turned into my work. And whenever I went out for lunch, it was still sitting there. It followed me out. It followed me two Wendy's and back to work. And it parked in the same spot.

And then it was there again whenever I left work to come home. and it followed me all the way home. And I was like, well, this is kind of weird. Well, then on the 17th, the following day, I was followed again and after work. So it would come flying up on me, like it almost looking like it was going to hit me. And then it would back off a little bit

and then come flying back up on me. And we're on the interstate, and I'm running 75, 80 miles an hour. And it's like, dude, am I not going fast enough for you? or there's a whole other lane over here you can go around. But this dude was on my ass. And I kind of started freaking out a little bit about it thinking, oh my God, like, do they know somehow?

You know, I've triggered something here. Like, my mind's racing. I tried to call my dad and I got disconnected three times. And I've got a newer car and I was using the sink in my car, in my car, you know, for my phone. and every time I'd call my dad, it would disconnect. And it was really strange. So I was kind of freaking out, and I messaged you and West, because, like, I didn't know what the hell is going on.

But this dude was obviously on me. And, you know, you were nice enough to message back, and I really appreciated that. And we talked for a little bit about it, kind of giving you the rundown. But when I got home from picking my son up, from daycare, there were two local cops on both sides of the house, and I sent you a picture of that. And I thought it was strange. It was like, why are local cops here? You're like, where'd that

Black Tahoe go? But these two cops got out. They met right across the street from my house. They walked up to each other. They didn't go knock on that person's door. They stood and stared at my house for a good five or ten minutes. minute. And I know we've talked for, I know, half hour or so that day about what was going on. And I was, I was absolutely frantic. But, and it's, it's just kept going. You want me to keep going through, through the dates? Or you have any questions? No, I mean, yeah, I want you to keep going. But, you know, I'll interject here with my part of the story, because something happened to me that day as well. And I know I told you this. And so I, I, I'll,

I, you called or you contacted me and we exchanged numbers and I called you that afternoon to find out some details as what you're experiencing what was going on. And that morning I was doing, you know, my job, I drive truck and I was making a delivery to a company that I've been to before. And I get out my truck and I start walking up to the stairs that go into this building. And two guys came out of the building. And, you know, it's one of those things where I always say hi to people, but I'm just like, hey, what's up? You know what I mean? Like, it's nothing like, like, hey, how's it going, trying to make a conversation. It's just, you know, hey, what's up guy? And so the first guy comes down to stairs and it's a rainy day. I think it was a rainy day.

I can't remember now. But he comes down the stairs and I said, hey, how are you doing? He's like, hey, and he just kind of keeps going. And the second guy was falling right behind him as I was going up the stairs. And I remember this happening. And it stood out to me to the point that even before you and I talked, after this happened, I messaged my wife and I also messaged West and just told and what happened because it was just so weird to me. But I was going up to stare and I said to the guy, hey, how are you doing? And the guy, as he's passing me, he's like right next to me as he's passing me down the stairs, he whispers.

And I don't think I was mishearing things. But what he said to me was, hey, Tony, he said my name. And to the point that it stopped me in my tracks. Like I didn't keep walking thinking, did I hear? hear what I thought I heard. Like I stopped and I stood on the stairs and I turned and I watched this guy continue down the stairs and walk over to a car, unlock it, get in and drive away. And he never looked at me. He never made eye contact with me. And I was thinking, did I miss hear this guy? But it sounded so much like him saying, hey, Tony, me that it stopped me in my tracks and

I just stared at him. I'm like, think of myself, do I know you? And I really wish I would have said something to him. I really wish I would have said, what did you say? Did you say my name, Tony? Because, I mean, just to make sure that, you know, I heard him right or something, but I didn't, because I was like, I'm pretty sure I know what I heard. And so I go in the building, I text my wife, I text West, and I told him what had happened and stuff. And, you know, I didn't really know what to make of it. I was just like, that's really weird, but maybe I misheard something. And then you and I have this conversation and you start telling me the things have been happening to you since you've reached out to me and contacted me about your paranormal experiences.

I think the initial email you sent me didn't really even reference any of this stuff that we talked about. It was more of you just talking just very general about the paranormal experiences and something might have triggered here. So this is what you and I discussed. And I think that this might be a possibility if all this has happened where like you had these experiences and it's directly because of you emailing me and, you know, that guy whispering or whatever to me. me, I wonder if when you're in this program and you get put back, like Tony was put back, and like you were obviously put back and you start living your life. I wonder if there's some kind of tabs, somehow they keep tabs on you. And like, so say they, they, they, if this all happened, clearly they know who you are, they know where you live, they keep tabs like that. But

maybe they monitor emails and you emailing the show might have triggered something. It popped a red flag and all of a sudden attention got drawn to you and they start paying attention to you and therefore paying attention to me. I don't know if what I experienced that day is directly involved with you, but I find it very interesting that that very morning before you and I talk, somebody, I've never saw the guy in my entire life, walks down the stairs and says, hey, Tony to me. He whispered it right as he's walking by me. Very, very strange. So. Very strange for sure. Yeah, absolutely. And so we're at this point in time where you're experiencing these things.

And I even mentioned to you about the two cops. And I don't know you can tell me if it ever happened again and stuff. But let me ask you, did it ever happen again? Did the cops ever show up in front of your house standing there looking at your house again? They never showed up in front of my house. But I was pulled over. I've been pulled over several times. the very next day on the 19th, I guess we can work up to that if you're cool with it, because I've got it all kind of time lined out here. So on the 19th, I've got notes here that said I've been followed for the last two days as well. So for the 18th, I was followed as well.

On the 19th, I pulled up to my house after work, and there was a man on my porch. And I took a picture of this guy because it was very strange. like he had a German shepherd with him. He was in like a gray sweatsuit with a black vest. I've never seen this guy before. And he had a bald head, but he wouldn't let me see his face. So when I pulled up at the stop sign, like I live on a corner lot. You know, I hit the garage door opener, and it scares this guy.

He's on my porch with his phone out, and he's got a German shepherd with him. and I took a picture of this guy because as he was as he realized like hey shit they're home and I started back and into the driveway he jumped down to the sidewalk never let me see his face the entire time and I took a picture of him I could send it to you he's obviously not walking his dog in the picture the dog is like facing me and the guy's got his back face to me so it was really strange but he was on his phone like he was taking pictures or something. I've got no tears that, you know, wouldn't let me see his face. Oh, so I get inside and, you know, I unload the baby and everything,

and then I let my dog out. We have a gated backyard. You know, I get the baby all settled in and, you know, turns cartoons on for him and everything. Well, then I go to let our dog back in and he's gone. Like, this is a privacy fence, like, gate. yard like he's he's just gone there's no hole where he dug underneath and you know slithered out or anything like that like he's he's gone and I'm freaking out because

it's my wife's dog and she's just she's nuts about him like that's her baby and I can't wait to hear about this and you know that that whole ordeal but then like as I'm trying to you know get the baby loaded back up we're going to go drive around try to find the dog, there's a knock on my door. And there's this guy, same dude. He's standing on the porch, and he's holding my dog. He doesn't have his German Shepherd with him. He's just holding my dog. And I was like, oh, man, you know, like, thank you. Like, I was just getting ready to panic, you know, and, you know, go look for him. He's like, and he says, you know, quote, like verbatim, figured I'd bring him back, be ashamed if something happened to.

him. And then he starts backing off the porch and he puts his finger to his mouth and makes like the shoot gesture, you know? Like my lover. I remember sending you yeah, so I remember sending you that message like, you know, holy hell, like something else has happened now. And at

the time, I'm still trying to figure out like, is this really happening or this all just coincidental stuff? And as I was typing the message, you know, I just happened to look at your logos, like that's what I'm trying to describe. Like, that's what he did, just like your logo. And, like, he kind of, you know, it's like, he almost kind of looked like you, a little bit heavier set, but like, same face and, you know, facial features, bald head and everything.

It was very strange. So that was on the 19th. And my wife saw him walking away as she was pulling up from work. And she was like, who was that guy? I don't know. And I didn't want to tell her, like, the dog got out or whatever. I don't know if he came around, snatched him up, and then brought him back around to the front of the house, or what? But that was a very strange instant there.

So before you go any further, before you go any further, I want to tackle on this. I'm assuming you're about to change the topic here from this guy, right? Right. Yeah. So before you go any further, just, you know, I know you got notes in front of you. so just make sure you know where you're at in your notes. That's weird. That's really weird.

Yeah. And so let me get this straight. You come home and the garage door goes up and I think you said you were backing into the garage. You see this guy. You take a picture. Are you sure it was the same guy that brought the dog back? Was it the same clothing? Same clothing.

Yeah. He didn't have his dog with him. But I've never once seen this guy like this is a nice neighborhood, like all the neighbors know each other. I have no clue who this dude is. I've never seen him before. All right. So who was in the car with you when you came home?

It was just me and the baby. Where was your wife? She is at work. She works in downtown Indy. Okay. So you're talking about the house was empty when he was on the front porch. And you don't know if it was just coming out of the house

or if he was trying to get in the house or what? Oh, I mean, it was locked. I mean, I'm not saying he couldn't have got in, but he was on the porch, like, looking, like, at the windows to our front room, and, like, he's got his phone up, and the dog's right there next to him. And I remember pulling up and seeing him on the porch, like, he looked out, like, I hit my garage door opener to pop it open so I could back in. And then he must have heard that looked over, and, like, he just completely turned and put his back to me. and then, like, as I was kind of pulled up into the neighbor's yard, or the driveway right across from me so I could square up back in,

he kept his back to me at all times. Okay. And as I was in my driveway backing in, he had made his way down to the sidewalk, but he was not walking his dog. Like, it wasn't some guy, you know, and the dog stopped to take a crap in my yard or something, which would have been nice.

But, but, you know, He was up on my porch, not in the yard, not on the sidewalk. He made his way back down to the side wall, kept his back to me, and then he was on his way. All right. So you had, he was on your porch. You're backing in. I don't know what kind of guy you are, okay? If that happened to me, I'd be getting, I jump out of my truck and say, hey, MFer, what are you doing here?

And if you try to get in a way, I'd be chasing the guy down. Like, that's just how I am. I tend to get very aggressive when I feel threatened. And that's obviously a threatening thing. And I know he had a dog there. And maybe that was a deterrent. But when he comes to your house and you know it's the same guy, he doesn't have his dog, but he has your dog. I would have a very hard time not grabbing him by the throat and be like, who are you?

What's going on? Why are you messing with me kind of thing? Why didn't you do that? I completely understand where you're coming from, and that is, I would think the same way, like, if somebody was telling me the story. But, like, being in the situation, like, those things, like, don't cross your mind, like, right then. So, right then, I'm kind of freaking out because I know my life's going to be home any minute, and that dog's your baby. So I'm trying to load the baby back up in the car seat, go jump back into the car and figure out, like, where am I going to start? even looking to try to find the dog.

So I don't have to listen to her whenever she gets home, freaking out. And then when this dude shows up and he's got the dog, it was almost like a sigh of relief. Like, oh, thank God. Like, I don't have to deal with that whole situation. But then it was like, okay, this is the same guy. And I asked him who he was. And the only thing that he said to me was figured I'd bring him back, be ashamed if something happened to him.

And then he, like, handed me the dog. and then he put his finger up to his mouth and he backed off the porch and now I remember being like hey man like who are you and nothing was said and he just walked off but whenever I initially

got home and he was he had made his and I was backing into the driveway and he made his way down to the sidewalk I remember thinking like I'm going to go in here I'm going to go drop the baby off inside because it was kind of cold and I'm going to get him inside let the dog out and then I'm going to

I thought back out and said it's still there. I want to, you know, see what the hell of this dude's problem is. But he was gone. And that's why you always have a gun handy, ladies and gentlemen. Right. Dude, I'm telling you, man, like, I don't, I don't know how you are functioning right now, but I can't imagine it's very well. And I know we have more to get into and stuff, but I want to keep this guy in mind because I wanted to ask you, do you think that his gesture towards you with the finger over the lips. Do you think that was telling you to be

quiet, or do you think it was referencing by a show, or do you think it was both? I have no idea, man, like, at first, that didn't even cross my mind. I had initially thought, like, he's just telling me, like, keep your mouth shut. And I was thinking, oh, my God, like, this dude's tied into this somehow, like, what in the hell's going on? There's no way this has happened in me. Twenty-one years later, like, I've never said a damn word about this. And I send one very vague email and all this shit's happening. It's like, how in the world? Like, there's just, there's no, and I'm trying to wrap my mind around it.

Like, how? Like, what? Have they been keeping tabs on me for 21 years to really, you know, mess with me like this? Like, you know, what's going on? And, yeah, I mean, just is very strange. Like, blew my mind. And, you know, that whole guy, like, I don't. know. That was when I started like getting convinced. Like it's not coincidence. I'm being followed.

Something's going on here. Right. And so he's on your porch when you get home. And we don't know if he was trying to get in, trying to get out, or just standing on your porch waiting for you to kind of get your attention. I'll ask you a question that I know you don't have an answer to, but I want to know if you thought about this. Did you ever think that maybe he was just coming out of your house and maybe he was trying to bug your house or something like that? I looked, yeah, I mean I've looked, I went looking through the house to see if there was anything going on, notice anything out of the ordinary, and I didn't, not to say that he didn't bug it or something, but, you know, after I sent you that message and you'd said, you know, like my logo, do you think he's hinting at that?

It's like, damn, you know, like I didn't even think about that, but, you know, absolutely could be. but yeah i mean to this day i've not found anything that that's missing or like a bug somewhere i don't know man uh i would suggest you know every once in a while just combing through the house looking at different nooks and crannies looking in books uh looking in in lights in lamps looking in little places that uh something can be hidden um and just to just to just to keep an eye out for things. I mean, if it happened, if he actually bugged the house, chances are you're not going to find it anyways. But you can at least try. It's your freaking house. You know what I mean? And knowing what's going on in your life and the things that you're experiencing, it can't hurt to be proactive and just,

you know, keep an eye out. Have you ever seen this guy before or since this situation? No. Do you have a feeling that he's the guy that was following you? I have no idea. So I was pulled over a couple of days later, and this was not the same guy, but I was pulled over by the Black Tahoe. The one that was following you. Right. Did it have lights on? I'm sorry.

Did it, like, how did it pull you over? Did it turn on? It was like an undercover. It was in a dash. Yeah, it was like an unmarked, like there were lights in the dash, not on top of the vehicle. but I'd never noticed. Like I said, man, like the windows were blacked out, like even the windshield.

Kind of skip forward here. So that guy showed up at my house. That was the 19th. On the 20th, I had reached out to my friend that we talked about earlier. He told me all that crap. Then on the 21st, that was my one day off that week. And the whole day, like, there was, like,

banging on the side of my house, like, all day long. and I go out and there'd be nothing there. Nobody there. Talk to my dad. He told me he was sorry for how he reacted and knows something happened. He recalled about the guy showing up. Got that note there. And then on the 22nd, I was pulled over at 2.30 in the morning,

like right outside my neighborhood. So I'm still in the neighborhood and I'm turning onto the road, you know, right behind the neighborhood heading to work. And as soon as I pull out onto the road, the lights come on behind me. And there were no headlights. Like, I don't know where the hell this dude came from. But whenever I went to exit the neighborhood, there was nobody behind me. And this guy, he hops out, it comes to the window, and he said, get out of the car.

so like uh you know why i was like i'm on my way to work man like i have to set up the operation for for this whole thing like i don't have time for this like what what's this about just get out of the car so i'm like are you want to search it like no problem like but you know who are you like why are you pulling me over and he's like don't out don't make me ask you again get out of the goddamn car and he's like, I need to take a look in here. He said, you realize that you ran that stop sign back there. I was like, what stop sign, man? Like, that's my neighborhood.

I stopped, and then I pulled out onto the street. So he searched through the car, and then he came out. He tried to take my phone. He was like, you got your phone on you? I said, well, yeah. And he's like, give me it. And I was like, no. I'm not giving you my phone, bro.

Like, sorry. And I said, you have no reason to take my phone. And he is like, just give me a damn phone. I said, you have no right to have my phone. I'm keeping it. Like, it's in my pocket. No, you're not taking it. And he kind of got mad, kind of threw some things around,

like some of my work papers and everything. And he's like, drive safe. And I pulled forward. and that was that was very strange and then the very next day the exact same thing happens in the exact same spot is the exact same guy and then uh i told him like as he was searching the car again i was like what man like if you are who you think i who i think you are i think you are i think you might as well stop i was like this is this is going way too far and you know if i want to tell the story then i'll tell the story man i was like you're you're you're going the wrong way and going about this the wrong way if you're wanting me to stop now. I'm like, you guys are already following me. Like, what's this all about? And he absolutely trashed my car.

Like, I have had my, you know, things in the back seat from the kids. Like, he absolutely tore it apart and got back, hop back out. And he said, nobody's ever going to believe you anyway. you're an effing nobody and then he drove off so I hop back in the car and like God damn you know like what in the hell and then I pulled forward

and not even a mile later I'm pulled over by a local cop and this local cop was the same one that was standing in front of my house that day that we had initially talked I definitely remember seeing him but what I have a hard time with like this is 2.30 in the morning

when I saw that dude out in front of house. I don't remember what time. Like four o'clock in the afternoon. So it's like, did your shift change? Or are you working in coordination with somebody to monitor me 24-7? Like, what I do, you know? But this dude pulls me over and he's like, you ran through that stop sign back there.

I was like, what stop sign? There's been no stop sign from my neighborhood here. Like, I haven't even made it to the stoplight down here. There are no stop sign. So he's like, you mind if I search the vehicle. And like, I'm losing my shit. Because I have an hour drive to work and got kind of an important job. Like, if I'm not there on time to set everything up, like, it's a shit show.

So I'm like, man, I don't have time for this. And he ended up giving me a written warning, which I've still got in the console. But he told me the same thing. He's like drive safe. Like, is that some sort of threat? Like, have you done something to my car? Like, why do you guys keep telling me this? It was very, very weird.

And then, see, that was on the 23rd. And then didn't really have much happened until the 29th. My dad called, and there was no issues, until he brought the incident up, like, this whole ordeal. And then all of a sudden we were disconnected. twice and we weren't able to talk about it. So that was the 29th. When you say a 29th, you mean the 29th of January?

29th of December. I'm sorry. December, okay. Yeah. So then on, I've got notes here from January 4th, I made an appointment for hypnotic regression yesterday, which would have been the third. Today, the fourth, she called to say she can't see me. There was no reason why. I remember her calling and saying, hey, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to be able to see you after all. And I asked for a reason, like, is there something, just something happened?

Like, what's going on? And she just said, I'm sorry, sorry for the inconvenience, but you're going to have to go see somebody else. So on the 6th, January 6th, I made an appointment at a different location. Everything went okay there. And then on the 10th, so I believe I've made the same. appointment for the 13th. On the 10th, this person canceled on me, saying the exact same thing. I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but I'm not going to be able to see you.

And I thought that was very strange. So I had that wrote down. And then on January, the 11th, I took a call from a number. This number had been blowing me up, and it was like really strange because it was like 2, 3, 8, 4 that kept showing up on my phone. Not like a full telephone number. It's just two, three, eight, four. And I was thinking, you know, I don't know who the hell this is, but I'm not answering it.

But they've been blowing me up for days. So this time, you know, I was home, and I took the call, and this guy didn't give me a name. He said, he said, I'm just calling to ask you not to go forward with this. I said, forward with what? And he said, talking about your story. And I was like, are you serious? You're going to call and ask me nice now. after all this time.

And now you're just going to call an ass nice, like after being harassed and followed, and my car destroyed and turned upside down. And I said, if, you know, if this call would have came before all of this, I'd be a hell of a lot more apt to oblige. I was like, but now, like, I almost want to come, you know, go tell it just as an FU.

Like, you know, what's the point in keeping it secret? Now, like, all this stuff's happening. If I come forward with it and something happens to me, then, you know, they know what happened. And he got really pissed, and he started cussing me up and down and telling me the same thing that one dude did. He said, nobody's going to believe you anyway. You're an F-and-Nobody.

And, you know, so I came back with something to the effect of, if I'm the effing nobody, then why are you calling me? Why are you sending people and wasting the man hours on having me followed? Like, you know, this stuff's been going on for months, but I'm a nobody, I guess. Like, whatever, you know, and he hung up on me. And then on January 23rd, I got a letter stating that my license has been suspended for an infraction in February of 2018. but whenever I called about it,

nobody could tell me what it was for, just that, you know, I was suspended for 90 days. And, like, you know, I got a note here pulled over by the local police on December 23rd, 2018, and not a word was said about my license. And he had asked for it and everything. And he gave me that written warning

telling me to drive safe, whatever the hell that meant. But, yeah, it's been a big taint. in the ass because I've got, I work up by Fort Wayne and my wife works in downtown Indy, so she has to get up to drive me up to Fort Wayne and then get our baby out of bed, load him up, then drop him off at daycare on the way back, then drive all the way to downtown Indy. It's a pain in the ass, but I guess that's them, you know, flexing their muscle on it.

and then last night at this was very strange. This could be completely coincidental, but you might find it very interesting as well. So last night at 8.22 p.m., I start getting violently sick, like, very, very sick. I've never thrown up that hard in my entire life. and then it was every hour, the 22nd minute of every hour until 622 this morning. It was 10 hours, 22nd minute of every hour,

I was up getting sick. Well, that's weird, you know, it's like an hour on the dot from the last time. But then it was all night long until 622 in the morning, every hour, 822, 922, 1022. And so then it was like, oh, my God. And at one point, like, I had nothing left.

Like, I'm just dry heathen. I'm choking. And, uh, and I don't get sick, man. Like, I can't tell you the last time. Like, I was sick like that. And, um, so I found that very strange. Well, like, 622, whenever I got up to get sick the last time, like, there's nothing there. Like, I go back and I'm just miserable.

And I remember thinking like the whole sister, Carrie Burner thing. like is that a possibility like uh you know i don't know sorry i didn't mean drop the ip on me but um you know i was thinking like you know who knows at this point i never thought any of this stuff would happen but i remember picking up my phone and just thinking like god like you went like i can't do it anymore like there's nothing left like i feel like death and then after i said that i never got sick again and i'm completely fine today so that happened last night It just that last night. And it's like, what are the odds of it happening the night before I'm supposed to talk to you?

And then I say that. And then like I feel a million times better. Is it possible? Absolutely. Could it be coincidence? Absolutely. But it's very strange. And then, you know, all the deals, you know, when that Patreon stuff started going on today,

I was thinking, man, like, could that be tied to it? Like, who knows? At this point, I don't know what to think. Yeah, you know, and I know some people might think this is just, you know, crazy talk and, you know, how could they make you sick? But if you listen to the Kerry Burner episode that, you know, Austin just referenced, she talks about having nanotech put in her body and how she had a fight against the nanotechic to stay alive. And so she were talking about some, you know, biochemical warfare kind of thing. And not biochemical, biotechno warfare. And it's, interesting that you you said that happened last night. And like you said, this might not be nothing. But just last night, my brother was at my house and we were recording an extended intro for this week's show. And the way my studio set up, especially when he's here, I have two computer monitors, one's facing him and me on an angle where we share the screen to look at different articles and stuff while we're

talking. I have my main computer monitor in front of me, and then he has a laptop set up. And he's sitting in the chair, and I'm talking and sharing his story. And as I'm talking, he just kind of looks around the room, almost like he saw something like flying in the room. And he just kind of stares at me, and he's like, did you see that? And I'm like, no, what? And he says, the lights, the lights just flickered, the screen just flickered, and the computer just flickered. And I'm like, I didn't see that. And he's like, you didn't see that. And I said, no, I didn't see it. And he's telling me that the computer monitor that we're sharing flickered, at the same time, the lights flickered and the laptop flickered. The problem with this whole thing,

because you would think, okay, it's some kind of electrical surge. And that's what Jack even said. He said, it seems like an electrical surge. But the problem with that is the laptop wasn't plugged into anything. It was completely separate from everything else that was sitting on the table and in this office. I didn't notice anything surging. I didn't see anything. Yet he, it got him to the point where he's just staring at me like, I know we're recording, but something just happened. And so that just happened last night around, man, we started recording around 1 o'clock in the morning, and we finished up around, I think it was like two or three in the morning. So it was late at night. And so, I don't know. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but that's something that I don't know

what happened in my house last night. It was weird. It was absolutely weird. And with you having these experiences and going through what you've been going through, be honest with you, man, I'm a little, concerned and a little freaked out myself. It takes a lot. It takes a lot for me to really kind of get freaked out. But this is a situation where it seems different and it seems a little too real to look past for me. Yeah. And I would love to be able to just finish this interview whenever we're done and, you know, put it in the bank to record it to release and, you know, carry on. But I don't think I'm going to be able to shake this one for a while mentally. Yeah, yeah, my head around, you know, all these years later, you know, somehow keeping tabs on me and everything.

And I'm not sure if you're familiar with that whole Gary, I think his name was Gary McKinnon or something like that from, I want to say like Britain or something, something like that, where he hacked like NASA's computers and found like a big list of like what they called non-terrestrial officers. but I remember that term like whenever I came back to or was put back or however the hell you won't say it but I remember telling my dad like this it's not just a few like there's a ton of what they call

non-terrestrial officers and then years later this thing happens and he says it's under the tab you're non-terrestrial officers and that's something him and I have talked about and I guess you know who that Bob Lazar guy is Yeah, absolutely.

So I guess he's got a new movie out or something or a documentary or something. I haven't watched it yet, but my dad did. And he said that he explains the way that one of those flying saucer moves exactly the way that I told him that did when I was in fourth grade. and I've been meaning to check it out, but I haven't yet, but I'd be interested to see that for sure and see what all he has to say. But dad, my dad, he's just, he's a little freaked out by it all, and that it's all happening again or that they're going to this link to shut me up or whatever. So let me ask you, man, and I know we talked about this before,

and, you know, I don't know if the story changed since then or not, but when we talked about this on the phone, the very first day we started talking, I asked you about your wife, and you said she didn't know any of this, and you didn't know how to go about telling her. Has that story changed, or is it still the same? It's still the same, man. So I've, you know, well, first of foremost, like, I can't thank you enough for calling me and talking to me that day because I don't know if you remember or not,

but I was freaking out. and I remember you asking me, like, maybe you should try to talk to her about it. And I've, you know, thrown some feelers out there. And she's more like the ignorance is bliss type, you know, like she doesn't want to know if there's more out there. She doesn't, like, she just wants to, you know, go about her day to day and not think about any of it. And every time that I've tried to throw a feeler out there, you know, anything like that, like she shuts it down. I don't know how she'd react to it, but not, it would be in a way that would very much upset me, you know what I mean, that she wouldn't take it serious or. Yeah.

Now, has your wife experienced anything? Has she recently said to you, hey, I've noticed that there's a weird guy walking by the house a lot or anything like that. No, so she had noticed one day we left and had went into. town and we were followed by that black toahoe and she was like is this dude back here following us it's like uh yeah yeah i don't know um you know wouldn't worry about it type of thing and then uh i get followed us back home and she's like that's weird you know very strange and then like i said she saw that guy that was that i had pulled up to and he was on our porch she saw him walking away when she got back home.

So she saw that she hasn't noticed anything. Gotcha. So she saw the guy walking away. She didn't see him leaving the property. Like she didn't even see him on the property. So she doesn't even have no suspicion. Well, she asked because he must have been like on the sidewalk or something. Like she could tell that he came from the house.

And she was like, who was that guy? And I was like, I don't know, man. He came up, you know, I just because I didn't want her worrying about it. Okay. So this is an ongoing situation, obviously, and up to this point that you shared with us, has there been anything else that you've noted? No. Not really.

But that's all, you know, to be continued, I guess. See how long this drags out. I don't know. Yeah. Now, here's the thing that I just thought of that I find interesting, that we, that we, We have been doing this interview for, let's just say, a little bit over an hour. And the entire time, most of this time has been talking about these guys bothering you after you contacted me.

You don't remember a whole lot compared to Tony Rodriguez, compared to a lot of guys that are actually out there that are being published that have been appeared on many, many shows. Why? That's my question. Why are they bothering you? I'm not saying to go bother, but I'm just saying, like, of all people, why would they not go bother Tony? You know what I mean?

Yeah, I don't know, man, and that's what blows me away. It's like I said, man, I don't hardly remember anything. Like, I remember certain details and, you know, certain conversations and things like that. But, like, if you're going to bother somebody, like, go bother somebody that knows exactly what happened to them the entire time. I just want to be left alone and I've tried you know for the last 21 years and even you know the paranormal things that I've dealt with you know my entire life it's just absolutely intense man I've tried to just you know bury it down and and live a normal life this has been a far cry from all you know what awesome it makes me wonder what's in your head it makes me wonder what's in your

head, if they're bothering you now, if they know that you contact me, if everything that we're suggesting on this show, everything that we, uh, are thinking could be a possibility is true. And they know this stuff about you. Then why are they contacting you? Because maybe there are things that they know you don't remember. And if you remember, it's going to blow the lid off things that these other guys aren't remembering. Could be, man. And I've thought that too. Um, you know, throughout all this for the past month. I've wondered the same thing. Like, why bother somebody that doesn't remember everything?

Like, there's got to be something that happened that they don't want me to know or don't want me to remember however you want to put it. But like I said, man, like I remember walking in with this guy. I don't know what his rank was, but he was a high-ranking guy, obviously. And I was right there next to him. So it's like, what was I? what was my role in it? And I don't know.

And it's beyond frustrating for me to not have those answers. And that's why I want, I've been, you know, like I said, I've tried making two different appointments, you know, to do some sort of hypnotic regression that both of them's canceled. So I'm assuming you're giving up the hypnotic regression. Are you thinking that? I'm not giving up. I'm not giving up.

Like, I've thought, like, I've never been to a therapist or anything. So after the second one canceled on me, I thought, well, maybe I try to call from a different number and use a different name and then try to go about it that way. But then I don't know if I'd have to use my ID or, you know, I mean, and be a completely different name there and then turn me away or what. I don't know what to do. But I don't want to give up. Like, I want these answers. And, you know, especially now with all this stuff going on. It's like, what don't I know?

Or don't I remember? So your wife doesn't know. Your dad does, obviously, but your wife doesn't know. One, have you told your dad not to talk your wife about it? And also, with everything that's going on right now, and you making these appointments and getting rejected, but you want to know what happened, is there a time where you're thinking you're going to have to tell your wife?

Because, I mean, what if something happens to you? You don't, like, I personally would think you wouldn't want her being left in the dark as to, I have no idea what happened to my husband, but at what point are you going to be able to say, I got to just tell her and see what happens. Yeah, to answer both of those, yeah, I've told my dad not to mention anything around her. I don't get to see him very much as it is. Maybe a couple times a year he was three or four hours away. So I don't have to worry about that, but I have told him on the phone.

Like if, you know, when we do see each other, please don't mention this to her. don't bring it up. And the second question, man, that's on my mind every day. It was on my mind really heavy when I was being followed every day. It's like, man, what if something happens? And she's not going to know,

and that's when I'd start, you know, throwing the feelers out there. You know, what do you think about this? Do you think it's possible that this would happen or this, this, or this? No, no, there's no way. But I was really, really close to telling her the time that we were, that she was with me when we were being followed

and she was wondering why we were. I was, I was really close to telling her then. And I don't know. I'm going to have to eventually, but. I would think you probably would need to tell her eventually because in her shoes, she's oblivious. She's ignorant to the whole situation and she's walking around in the dark, not knowing what the potentials are here. And, you know, It's one of those things where, you know, how is she going to know what to look for and protect yourself if she doesn't even know? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like she's finding herself.

Well, she isn't finding herself. She's in the middle of a battle that she doesn't even know. Like, she's in the middle of a war and she's not even fighting a battle. She has no idea. You know what I mean? Yeah, she's no idea. She's in it. And so I just, I don't know.

I'm not telling you when to do it or if you should do it or not. I'm just saying from her. perspective, it's it, she's, she's, she kind of has her hands tied behind her back right now. Yep.

And she's, she's, she's with your, she's with your child a lot, I'm, I'm assuming, right? I mean,

so she's with your, your child when you're not around. I mean, I know you thought of this. What happens if something happens when you're not around, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

It's just, this is new for me, man. This is new for me. I haven't, this is a new one. And I, I don't,

know exactly how to go about telling you how to handle it but this is uh and it's all very current this is like within you know the last 24 hours something happening yeah well I don't know

I don't know where else to go with this man I uh I just I think you and I need to keep in touch and uh see what happens I think you I think you should uh when we're done talking here I think you should send me pictures of anything you can. The guy, the receipt from the police officer, anything that you could send me. That way I can have it on my end too and just kind of keep it.

If you don't want me posting it with the show, I don't know. It's up to you. But I think I should at least have my hands on it as well. Okay. And as far as your paranormal experiences, I don't think we're going to get to. We're not going to get into that today. I think we're going to. Yeah.

I think we're going to let that for another time because it's just not fit in the format right now, man. But let's wrap it up here. I hope everybody enjoyed this interview. It's not ending the way we normally end interviews, but, well, the story's not written yet. Not in completion. So we'll see what happens from here. You can't stop. Can't stop.

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