The Confessionals - RELOADED | 117: Gorilla Man, Doppelgängers and Demons, Oh My!

Episode Date: January 30, 2023

On Episode 117, we speak with Jim Harold from the Paranormal Podcast, and also Alika from The Confessionals’ artistic design team! First, Jim joins us to share some of the spooky experiences that continue to motivate him to delve deeper into the paranormal realm. After Jim’s experiences, we bring on Alika from Hawaii as he describes seeing a “gorilla man” in his house, doppelgängers, evil reflections, shadow kids, and much more!NEW LOGO PRE-SALE: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/storeBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinGet Crypto-Color (Coloring Book):Non-Signed Copy: https://amzn.to/3Yn23RlSigned Copy: https://www.merkel.media/store/p/cryptocolorWatch Expedition Dogman: https://amzn.to/3OVyUs6Tony's Studio Equipment: linktr.ee/mystudiogearSPONSORSGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5GET ExpressVPN: www.expressvpn.com/confessCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaITikTok: @theconfessionalsDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvet

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Okay, I'll reload it. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw. Three long, bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. But the giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast.

And spears Dan and holds him up like this. somebody else shoot him in the face shoot him in the face they basically decapitating got sparser got sparser got sparsum when he got him out feel something pulling at my leg and i look over and there are two small gray entities pulling it and they're literally i'm getting pulled off the bed I reached my hand into this bush and i touch air couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because i know i'm seeing a monster Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or story you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionals Podcast at gmail.com. That's The Confessionalspodcast at Gmail.com. Or go to the website, The Confessionalspodcast.com. Hit the connection section, and you can reach me that way as well. Either way works for me, just get a hold of me.

Now, this week's show, we have two interviews coming on. The very first one we're going to listen to is Jim Harold from the paranormal podcast and many other podcasts. He comes on to talk about some spooky experiences that he's had. And then after Jim, we're going to have Alika, who is one of the show's artists, who does the weekly show art. And he comes on to talk about different experiences that he's had, including guerrilla men, doppelgangers, demons, and many, many other things. I can't wait for you guys to hear what Alika has to say. So let's get into it right now. Okay, today we have a great guest coming on. We have Jim Harold. Now, Jim, You have many podcasts.

You have Campfire, or I should say Jim Harold's Campfire, the paranormal podcast, Jim Harold's crime scene. And you actually just dropped a new podcast called Soulmate Stories. So, Jim, how are you? I'm doing well. I'm tired, actually. I'm doing well. And thank you so much for having me on the show.

And congratulations with all of your success with the confessionals. Well, I appreciate that, sir. I was really excited to have this conversation with you and just have you on and share some things and stuff. But before we get into some of the stories that you'd like to share with us today, why don't you tell us a little bit about some of the podcast and stuff that I just kind of named off? Well, back in 2005, before some of you were born, I started a show called The Paranormal Podcasts because, and I was reading your bio, Tony, and it's very similar. I was just really interested in this stuff. And I had had a broadcast background, ended up working in the business of media, but not in front of the mic, which is actually where I went to school.

for. So in 2005, I saw all these people were doing this podcasting thing. And I said, I'll try it just for fun. Lo and behold, I did it for several years as a hobby and it started picking up steam and I was able to go full time with it in 2012. And we have the paranormal podcast, which are interviews with experts and so forth in the paranormal, supernatural, everything from UFOs, cryptic creatures, ghosts, a whole thing. Then we have Jim Harold's Campiour. which is a show where regular people call in and tell their stories of the supernatural. We've been doing that since 2009. Jim Harold's crime scene where I interview experts and authors about true crime cases.

We've just recently had another Pulitzer Prize winner on that show. And then the newest one you talked about, and I'm really excited about, and we're recording this, I hope I'm not blowing anything here, but we're recording this on Valentine's Day. It's called Soulmate Stories, and it's all about people's true stories of how They found their lifelong soulmate. And I'm doing that one with my wife, Dar, so I'm very excited about that one. And we have a whole slew of premium podcasts I do, but I don't even really get into those. It's in similar topics.

But I always steer new people to the free shows, which they can find at Jim Herald.com, or they can find on all the places you listen to podcast, Apple Podcast, Spotify, where Pandora, as I think you mentioned, you're on now, all those usual places. So we hope people do check it out. And the campfire also, we have five books based on the campfire stories that we've gleaned over the years and I'm working on a sixth. So busy over here at the spooky studio, as we call it. Yes, absolutely. But you know what? You're really on to something with the soulmate stories, especially. I really love the idea. There's something about people's real life stories, whether it's spooky stuff, soulmate stuff or whatever. When people get to come on and share what happened to them and how

things unfolded in their lives, a lot of people love listening to that kind of thing. It just, there's something that people can connect to. So I really highly encourage people to check out your podcasts and the new podcast, Soulmate Stories. It's very, very good. I've listened to it. Thank you. I love it. So, Jim, you've had some odd experiences in your life that you'd like to share with our audience today. Well, the thing is, is that I've not had like the prototypical ghost experiences, but I've had some very bizarre experiences, as has my wife. I'm actually going to tell one of her stories because I think you'll relate to it, and I think it's a pretty cool story, and then I'll tell quickly one of mine. This happened back in 2001, and this was before I was ever podcasting,

before really podcasting existed. So it wasn't one of those things where it happened. I said, oh, this will be a neat show for a podcast, because, again, it wasn't even invented it. at that time. My mother-in-law had been very ill, and she came for in-home hospice back to her home. And I've been married to my wife for a few years. We were a young couple at that time. We had a little daughter who would have been almost two years old. And my mother-in-law, you know, obviously she was going towards the end, but we thought we had some time. And that particular evening that I'm going to tell you about. My wife was over there, and I think I was home with my daughter. My mother-in-law kind of kept shoeing away my wife, Dar, saying, you've got to go home,

Jim's there, your small child's there, you got to be with them. And she said, no, I'll stay here with you long. No, no, go home. So anyway, we didn't think anything of it. And she came home, and we went to bed as usual, you know, 1130, whatever time of the night it was. And then I think about 130 or 2.30 in the morning, can't remember exactly which. She awoke. Now, I was asleep, but she jokes I'm like waking the dead when I'm asleep. And she looked over my shoulder and she saw Mother Mary glowing, standing on my side of the bed, and I was oblivious. And the thing of it is, you need to know that Mother Mary was a big deal for my mother-in-law because she was Catholic. And she was, and she, She would bring roses to the statue of Mother Mary.

It was a whole thing for it. It was a big deal and very significant in her life. And then almost as fast as it happened, I think it lasted about 30 seconds. Mother Mary was gone. She was smiling. She said it was extremely peaceful. And unlike anything you would see in any movie or artist depiction. So anyway, and she says this was not a dream.

She was fully awake. She goes back to sleep. She sleeps for an hour. The phone rings. it's my father-in-law. My father-in-law doesn't even say hello. He just basically says she's gone. And my wife, you know, when you wake up and you pick up the phone, you're confused.

What's going on? And he said, she's gone. She said, well, who's gone? Your mother's gone. She passed away about a half hour ago. And even now I get kind of choked up thinking about it. And to me, that was my mother-in-law sending that. sign through Mother Mary or whatever the case was, is that she had left, but she was going to a

better place. Wow. Yeah. I mean, the idea of Mother Mary popping up and stuff, I've heard that before, and it's always, usually always connected with somebody's passing. And I just, I find that very, very fascinating stuff. Was that something that you guys kind of like found comfort in when you found out that she had passed? I think so, yes. I think so, yes. Because it was kind of, of insurance, yes, she's gone from this physical plane, but she's gone to a better place. That's the way we took it. That's the way we took it. I had another story that is not, well, it's not quite as sweet, but it's cool. About a year and a half ago, I was lucky enough to be asked to be a participant in a paranormal cruise, where people would sign up and come to this cruise and meet me and some other people in the paranormal field. Mary Ellen Gehle, Micah Hanks, and so on. I was very honored to do it. So the one day we were at C, and we were in this, they had a nice conference room, and I had a bit of a cold.

Not a lot of fun when you're on a cruise, but I had a cold, and I was speaking, and I said, you know what, I'm going to, in between sessions, go grab some coffee just to kind of warm up the pipes a little. So I walk out and it's right next to the casino for the ship. You have to walk through the casino to get to the cafe with the coffee. And one of the gentlemen who is an attendee who was listening to our talks that day is playing like this claw machine that has money in it. Now, if you know those claw machines, like when you go to a store and they've get the little stuffed animals and it's got the really polished claws where the stuffed animal falls off invariably. Well, the thing of it was, was that had a lot of significance for me,

those claw machines. I almost stopped in my tracks. I very specifically thought of my uncle who had passed in 2013 and he had been like a second dad to me. And for some reason, he loved those claw machines. And he would go and he would try to win, for my daughters or anybody, he would try to win one of these things and he would spend, you know, seven or eight dollars trying to win a 99-cent stuffed doll. So he loved these things. I thought about him very intensely. And I said, you know, I wish he were here.

He would love playing that. That would be so cool. And I just thought about him very intensely. And about two seconds later, this woman walks up. side next this gentleman playing this crane machine. And she cups her hand to her mouth and she says, John, John, um, ostensibly calling out to her husband or something she's with.

Guess what the name of my uncle was? John. His name was John. Now to me, and again, yeah, the skeptic will say that was a coincidence. That was just something that happened, right? I personally believe that was my uncle somehow connecting the dots and getting a message to me is like, hey, you're thinking about me. I'm thinking about it too. I mean, it was just too big of a coincidence to be a coincidence, in my view. Sure. So those are my two stories. So I think we live on.

I think there's communication that goes on. And I know a lot of times when on the camp byer, we talk about a lot of scary stories. And there's a lot of scary stories on there. So people love that kind of stuff they can certainly tune in. There's some of those sweet stories too. And I think that it's like life. Life is a continuum. There's good and there's bad. There's happy and they're sad. There's, you know, a positive influence. There's evil influence. I think the paranormal and the supernatural is like that. It's a whole continuum and we try to cover it all on the campfire. Well, that's awesome, sir. That's awesome. Let me ask you a quick question here. With the idea of your uncle communicating with you and stuff, is that something that you find in a

of the stories that you hear on the show with those kind of things where people are, you know, they feel like somebody's communicating with them from the other side. Is that something that's popular on the show a lot? Oh yeah. We hear it all the time and sometimes it's very direct and sometimes it's more subtle, but it's there and it's usually the thing is it's in a very distinct way that's very personal to the experience. Like that claw machine, anybody else that would have meant nothing to. But to me, I knew the significance. So I think they know what will touch us and what will reach us. And they, they seize upon a thing to get their message across. Absolutely. I totally agree with you. Before we get out of here, let people know where to find you again.

Jimherald.com. That's jim-I-M-H-A-R-O-L-D.com. And they can find all the free podcasts, the books. We even have an email newsletter so you can keep up with all the shows that cost zero dollars and appreciate the time to come talk with you, Tony, and the audience of the confession. All right. Today we have a great guest coming on. We actually have one of our shows artists on the line today. If you guys were to follow us on social media or on the website, you would see the artwork

that's custom every week for that week's show. And we have two different artists that do that. And one of the artists' name is Alika. And he's in Hawaii and he's on the line right now. Alika, how you doing, man? doing awesome man I'm doing good brother I'm doing good so you've had some crazy experiences that I didn't really know about I mean when we're talking about the show art from week to week and stuff sometimes you talk about you know what inspired you and sometimes your own personal

experiences come up in conversation and we always talk about sometimes about having you come on and then you sent me a list of some things that you went through and we're talking about some doppelgangers evil reflections and mirrors a little boy go and I was just like, bro, I don't know how I never had you on the show yet, but let's do this. And so here we are. You've had some crazy experiences, man. And I know we just talked about having you do it in chronological order. So if you wouldn't mind, just kind of start off from the beginning with that little boy ghost.

Okay. So experiences, and that's what attracted me to the show. The deep interest in it happened in my life. This is one of those many things, and this is probably the most consistent places that are one of the most consistent places that I've, or one of the most consistent places that I've, experience anything paranormal. So this is my ex-fiance's house. I'll call her D. His fiance's house.

And she told me a little bit about it, that her house is a little bit haunted. But I did not know to what extent. And so I show up. We just started dating. I met her house and we had a little family lunch. So a little get together. And some people had already left.

I'm all full with food. I'm ready to take a nap. So I go into her room and take a nap. And the way the house is set up is you walk into the front door. You see a big living room, a kitchen right behind that. And then it's a straight shot outside to the backyard, big sliding doors. And then on the right hand side is a long hallway with all the rooms, starting with the bathroom, and then her brother's room, and then her parents' room, and her rooms all the way at the end.

So I'm about 26 at the time, about six years ago, six or seven years ago, back to the family get together. I'm ready to go take a nap, I'm all full, so I go into the room to lie down. I'm just starting to those off a little bit. She comes into the room, tells me she's going to go shopping with her brother. They're going to go grab some food. I was like, oh, okay, it sounds good. And so she walks out of the room. and maybe about, I don't know, five or ten minutes later,

I'm still kind of awake and I'm still dozing in and out of sleep. But I can still hear, I'm still aware of what's going on around me, and I hear footsteps coming down the hallway, and I hear them coming all the way down the hallway, through the doorway, into the room, and right next to me. So I'm lying down on my stomach and my feet are to the door, and so the footsteps stop right there, right next to me, next to the bed, and I'm completely expecting see this to say, oh, okay, so we're going to leave now, see you later, and I'll be back, or whatever,

something, I'm just expecting that, and I hear nothing, so I find it kind of weird, and I open my eyes, and I look next to the bed, and nothing's there, nobody's there. and I'm completely confused because I didn't hear anybody leave. I heard somebody come in the room, stop right there. I get up and I'm thinking, okay, this might be one of her nieces and nephews that were there for the family party. So I walk outside. Nobody's home except for her mom, and her mom is just coming in from the backyard. So I look at her mom like, oh, is there to be around?

Is anybody else home? She goes, no, just us. Like, okay, so now I'm thoroughly freaked out. Because she told me Dee had left with a brother about 10 minutes earlier. I have no idea what's going on. So I explained to her what's happening. And she proceeds to explain to me like, oh, okay, so you met him. Okay, so he just went to go greet you.

He must like you. I was like, oh, who's he? And then she tells me about this little boy ghost that's in the house, hunting this house. And she, her first introduction to it was years and years before. So apparently these parents had known of this ghost since they first moved in in like the late 70s, early 80s. And so she, her first introduction to this little boy ghost was when she, when they were

much younger and she was vacuuming the living room. And so she just vacuumed. You know, like how they, you got lines in the, the carpet when you vacuum, right? Yeah. So she had just finished vacuuming the living room. And she went into the kitchen. She came back out into the living room, and she's, and nobody's home except her.

Super freaked out. Her dad shared an experience, and he hates talking about it, because he's old-school generation tough guy. You know, he's in the military, everything, like, does not want to talk about anything paranormal, but he said, even he said one time, he was going to go use the bathroom at the very beginning of the hallway, turned back to go towards his room, and he sees a little boy, a shadow of a little boy right in the middle of the hallway, walking toward it, and this little boy ran down the hallway and disappeared.

Entity that lives there that I had no clue about, and apparently he likes me. So that was my first introduction to the paranormal experiences in this house. Asking Dee about it, and so she was telling me, you know, dreams about all of this stuff going on and there's other things there and she doesn't know what they are and I'm like oh okay great that's cool but I don't know I'm used to this by now so I'm like okay I'm kind of interested this is kind of what I've been going for my whole life where I always went ghost hunting before as a younger guy's like okay I've hit the gold mine I don't have to go hunting for them I'm right here like they're here so we're going to have something pop off and so as they you know I was with her for

about a year and a half um so in that time four other occurrences happened. So that was my introduction to it, the little boy book. The next one, the demonic doppelganger. So this one really threw me off.

Yeah. The first, the way this happened, my introduction to that was, again, I was in the bedroom, I was in her room, and I think we're looking for movie times or something. So this is a couple months after the little boy thing. So I think we're looking for movie times or something.

I was checking something on my phone. And I wanted to go tell her whatever I found on my phone. And I walked down the hallway. And with my personal vision, if you're going down the hallway from her room at the very end, her brother's room is about halfway down the hallway. And her brother had a pull-up bar in his doorway, and he had his clothes hanging on the pull-up bar. So all those clothes are hanging and I'm walking down and I walk past his room.

But out of my peripheral vision, I see these legs right next to his bed. I turn and I go, hey, babe, so blah, blah, blah, whatever I had to tell. I'm pretty sure it was a movie time. And so I'm talking and I face her and I'm talking to her what I think is her. And then I hear her voice from the kitchen. She was, what? I look up immediately because I get I just get this cold this cold feeling start from the tip of my head all the way down my body this chill I'm like ah and I move the clothes I look up I move the clothes nothing is there nobody's there but I saw I swear I saw feet and legs standing right next to her brother's bed right there and so nothing is there and I'm like ah I thought you're in the room she's like, why did you think I was in the room?

I saw your legs in the room. And so she's just like, what? I think you left your legs in the room, you know? Like, I totally freaked out and threw it off. She's like, what? You saw me in the room? And so I walk out there. Of course, once again, nobody else is home except for me and her.

And she then tells me, you know, it's like an onion. Just layers. Just keep coming out. After everything that happens, more stuff keeps coming out. And so she tells me, that she had a, what she called a dark double. Explains it to me. And this is kind of like in my ballpark that I would spend a lot of time in

because I had a lot of friends who were into paranormal and a cult and any which beliefs you want to choose. I had a friend for every one of them. And she was the same way. And so she explained to me that she had a, what's, what was called a demonic double or a dark double, where somebody, I guess, a psychic or a medium or a sensitive, had told her that a double version of her, like a shadow that was always following her around. And it was like a dark, jealous reproduction of her. So it's like her dark side,

but it's external and it would follow her around. So I'm like, okay, that could explain it. I think, that, I think all of that with a grain of salt until it happens to me, like I am open to everything, but until it happens to me, I don't believe it, you know? Yeah. So, I'm like, okay, it's a pretty good indication. Could have been a, maybe my eyes

are playing tricks on me, fine. So a couple months go by, I try to forget about it, and that leads to the third occurrence, which is the demonic doppelganger in bed. So it's not as fun as you think. It's not as fun as it's some.

But, so I'm in there. I'm in her room again, but we had gone out and we stayed out really late. I think it was four in the morning by the time we got back home. So, again, it's just us. And so we're in her room. We're sleeping. And I have no clue what time this was or anything like that. All I know is out of dead sleep, I'm sleeping on my stomach.

I'm on the left side of the bed. out of dead sleep, I just shoot up into full awareness. Into a full push. That's how I woke up. I woke up from feeling myself, push myself up into a full push-up stance. And I'm basically planking in bed. I'm in this state of terror and panic. And I don't know why.

So I'm up on my hands. And I look over to my right. You know, so I'm just checking to see if D is still there. So I look over to my right. She's lying down and she's not facing me. And she's, so she was Korean, Chinese, and Filipino. So she's got this long black Asian hair, right? So she's, I just see that.

Okay, she's turned away from me. All right. And then I'm like, okay. And then I look back down, straight down. And I see her again. And she's lying down on the other side of me. and I'm like, well, what? So my brain is not calculating.

So I'm looking down. I see her lying there, but it's like she's really, really close. And so I look and I see at my hand, I notice that my left arm is going straight through her head. Yeah.

And yeah, I just immediately, like, I understandably. jump out of bed, freaking the ass out. And I'm like yelling. I'm like, hey, wake up, wake up. And she's like, what's going on? What's wrong?

She wakes up out of a deep sleep. And I'm like, I just saw you. You were here. And then you were here. And I don't, I don't know. I don't know what's going on right now. I don't know what's going on. And so she was saying that, like in her dream that she was having,

she just came back to bed to lie down. And I was like, this is, this is crazy. This is too much. So she had this dream that she was going through the hallway and she came back to the room to lie down. And just so happens, I wake up in a dead sleep panic and I see this apparition of an exact copy of her lying down next. I had no idea what to think.

Wow. Yeah. But that was probably the most intense visual paranormal experience that I've ever had. I think it was because I had no expectation of it whatsoever. It woke me up out of sleep. I was already in panic. And this whole thing happens. And that will always be burned into my head.

I'll never forget seeing my left arm go straight through the head of somebody else that's right next to me on the other side. It's so weird. It was like a mirror image. That one, that one totally, totally threw me off. And the next one was an auditory experience. Another couple months go by. And once again, me and D. are at home. By ourselves, we were actually house-sitting because some of the family had gone,

including her parents, had gone to Vegas. So we were a house-sitting, and this is pretty late. at night, we're just sitting out in the living room on the couch, watching some TV. And so she's lying down, she's got her head of my lap, lying down, and she's sleeping. And I'm just kind of petting her head, and I lie back, and I'm starting to doze off a little bit. So I lean back, and just when I'm about to just go into sleep, and I'm petting her head, I'm still moving my hand, I hear clear audible female whisper. right into my ear.

And it's like she's whisper screaming. And my eyes shoot open. And I don't want to panic, be at this point. I'm just like done. Like she knows already. I'm pretty sure you're used to it. So I'm just there like trying to calm down,

bring down my heart rate, like better head a little bit. And the only thing I could attribute that to was her double. And so I told her about it later. and she was saying yeah because according to the person that saw that I had a double she said it was very jealous

it was like all the negative all the negativity in her like manifested into this other thing that was like her evil twin I guess you could say yeah that makes sense if she's jealous and maybe she wanted to lie down next to me instead of you I don't know like that was that was super weird and so

that event happened and that led up to the final thing that happened there or at that house anyway was the evil reflection and so that evil reflection

was that one sent chills down both our spines because it wasn't just me hearing it, it wasn't just me seeing it this time it was me and her sitting there watching the same thing happen. So there's another witness to corroborate. You know, so she told me about this mirror in her room.

She always had it covered. And, you know, one day I asked her, oh, why do you always have it covered? She said, it just gives me this weird feeling. It just feels really weird when I look at. It's like my reflection is looking at me. I'm not looking at it. Super weird. Okay, so what makes you think it's a bad thing?

I just get this bad vibe. And so I said, okay, I want to take a look at it because in the past, starting in high school, I just started learning about how to keep myself safe because I was, as a kid, I would get tormented a lot by these unseen things that I never understood until later on in life and I understood what they were and how to manage and how to deal with it. And so I had learned how to use that belief to keep myself spiritually safe and keeping things, to keep things away from me or expel things out of the space that I occupy. And so I said, okay, maybe I can go and look at it. Maybe I can get rid of whatever's there.

Maybe we can take that mirror back. I don't know. Let's try it out. I just want to see what happened. So she uncovers the mirror. We both sit there in front of the mirror. I get myself into this space where I'm open, you know, like where I can feel. the vibes basically

sounds super hippie-dippy and woo-woo but that's exactly what I did you know I just sat there and and tried to tune in see what's going on so I'm looking at the

reflection just to see if you know maybe I'll experience the she experienced so we're both looking at the reflection we're both trying to get into this state of being open to whatever's going on and I'm looking all over the mirror just looking all around

looking at the wood that you know surrounding the frame. And this is an old mirror too. It's like an antique mirror. So, you know, everybody's got this stigma about antiques and, you know, maybe something followed the antique. So my eyes are scanning the images in the mirror. And it just so happens to scan all, I just get up to my own eyes. I look down in my own eyes and me and D. are looking at it at the same time and I just see my eyes look at me because my eyes are so it's weird my eyes are still moving trying to scan they're constantly moving around the mirror slowly

but I notice that my eyes in the in my reflection aren't moving they're looking straight at me wow and then I see this smirk I see this smirk on on my face in the reflection and it's just the most evil look like it looks like the eyes are looking straight through me and I don't know it sounds weird for me to say oh I didn't see my eyes

moving because who can't see their eyes move if you're not looking at your eyes you can't see them not moving but it's just this this gaze that is held and stuck there and it's just like it's looking through me and

the thing that set it off was that smirk, man, because I know I wasn't smirking. I wasn't, I wasn't making any expression on my face and this thing smirks at me and I look over at this reflection and her mouth just opens up and I'm just like, oh, that kid, that made me panic extra hard because it's like in a scary movie when the scary part comes up and you think you've got it, but the person next to you screams and all of a sudden you want to scream. And that's exactly how I feel. felt seeing this reflection because she was totally shocked she like backs up she kind of pushes me and backs up from the mirror and it's like you saw that and she's like yeah i saw that it's smirk

you weren't smirking i know you weren't smirking because i was at you and looking back at the mirror i know you weren't smirking i was like yeah i wasn't i wasn't but you saw that look she's like it was so evil i like yeah that's exactly what i thought and so where we just immediately immediately leave the room and did this say we got rid of that mirror pretty quickly. Like there was no expelling to be done on that mirror. Just for it to look at me that way, like, I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't think you've got a handle on this.

Yeah. You might be in over your head a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. So that was a super chilling one. I've never experienced anything like that where my own reflection is like, is interacting with me. But it's so weird.

That's one of the freakiest things that I've seen visually, but number one definitely goes to the evil doppelganger right next to me. That was the freakyest one. Yeah. And, yeah. So she just had this, it's like she was a, as a person,

she was a magnet for this kind of stuff. Because as soon as I started dating her, She first started, you know, hanging out at my place before. She would always spend time there. And I started noticing an uptick in weird activity at my house after I started dating her. So one of those things, the first thing that happened in my house, we were like, we're dating for maybe two weeks, two or three weeks. And so she was sleeping at my house. And I was out at a party.

and she called me up at one in the morning and she told me or she asked me like are you almost done with the party and I was like oh wow what's going on I'm thinking in my head already like oh no she's insecure like we're three weeks in like we're two three weeks in

and I'm like ah crap oh what did I get myself into so that's my first assumption she's like okay because I'm really freaked out right now I'm like oh okay so why you freaked out So she was lying down, she was sleeping in the living room. And I had a fan in the living room, a standing fan. And she said that the fan turned on by itself and oscillated completely one time.

And she woke up because she, of course, heard the fan go off or turn on, and then she felt the air. And so she turned around and she looked at it and it oscillated one full time and then it stopped. And this is one of those dial fans. Like you've got to turn the, it was an older fan. You have to turn the dial to get it to turn on. So it wasn't like a touch control, nothing like that, old school fan. And so I was like, that's super weird.

So it was about time for me to go home anyway. So I went home and I checked out the fan. I was like, maybe there's a surge or something. I don't know. Did anything else go off or did you smell any burning or anything? She's like, no, I didn't smell anything. So I checked out the outlet. Everything was fine.

I'm mechanically inclined. So I took the fan apart to the look, see if anything shorted out. If one of the coils in the motor was touching a casing somewhere, if something happened. So I opened it up. and nothing. There's no sign of it, and it never turned back on again. It never worked again.

No matter what, there was no black burn on the plug. There was nothing on the outlet to tell me that there was a power search. Nothing else, no reset clocks. Because this was on, so one outlet was just for the fan and the other outlet had an extension cord

from Entertainment Center and all that. But nothing else was on. There was no search. I couldn't find any reason for it. And my background was an electrician. I used to work for Pearl Harbor as an electrician. So I was well versed with diagnosing and troubleshooting stuff. And it was just, I couldn't find any explanation for it.

So I thought that was really weird. And I was one of the weird things that happened, the first weird things that happened when she showed up at my place. And the next, she wasn't home one day. She went back home to go to hang out with her family. And so I was at home alone. And I was just getting down to sleep. And the house I used to live in was an old plantation-style house. There was a two-bedroom, all wood, on a raised house.

So the bottom is hollow. So I was just getting down to bed. and I hear what sounds like macho man Randy Savage jumping off the top ropes and elbowing the ground. Like, it was the loudest boom I've ever heard in that house

aside from me dropping some weights when I was working out. And it immediately shot me out of bed. And I had no idea what it was because sometimes, sometimes there's cats that would fight underneath the house and they would like bump and whatnot.

Sometimes they would hit what would be right underneath the floor. But I heard nothing like that. I actually went outside to my flashlight to go look for anything that was going on underneath there. Nothing. There's no signs of any disturbance. These you can tell us they're kept fighting their stuff all over the place and there's a lot of dust and dirt.

You can see the footprints and all that. But nothing, no sign of any disturbance. And I look in the hallway. There's no marks on the floor or anything. like that and it sounded like it was right outside the door like this just a giant boom so that was the second thing that happened when she showed up and i'm starting to notice a pattern you know there's there's some weird stuff going on with this one and uh probably the weirdest thing so this is some of the bonus material that i didn't mention in the message so this

This one was probably one of the, the weirder experience I had with the D. You know what astro projection is. So I've heard other guests on the show talk about that a little bit. And so for people who don't know what it is, it's basically where your soul or consciousness leaves your body and you can travel

to other places, but in real time. And so your consciousness can observe things remotely without you physically observing it in your body. So it sounds kind of woo and kind of out there, but here was my experience with that. So Dee was known as a natural traveler. So she's told that by her crowd of her group of friends that also told her that she had an evil double. So she was a natural traveler, meaning that when she would go to sleep, she would leave her body, her soul, her consciousness would leave her body, and she would travel to all kinds of different places. And now things are starting to click with me. So she told me this after the whole demonic doppelganger thing, right?

So she told me all of this after all of that. And I was like, okay, it's starting to make sense now. It's starting to click now because she had a dream that she was walking to the hallway and then lying down in bed. And then I see this thing right next to me. Okay, so it's starting to make sense. So this night, she had, for the two weeks prior to this, she was having a rough time, a real emotional rollercoaster. And so she needed some space. So she ended up going to sleep, falling asleep by herself in my room.

This is at my house. And she had fallen asleep normally. You know, and by normal, I mean her head is on the pillow. Her feet is where her feet normally is, how we normally sleep. And you'll see why I mention that detail as a story progresses. So I go to sleep. She's already asleep. And I end up waking up in the middle of the night and I have this, quote, dream.

And I know it's not a dream. and you'll see why. So I pop up, I sit up, and everything is pitch black, but everything is strobing. Like this super bright white light is strobing, and it's strobing in sync with my heartbeat. And my heart is racing because I woke up in this state of hyper awareness and kind of borderline panic. So my heart is racing, the strobe is going off, and I see all this stuff going on, and I'm wondering what else going on. And so I noticed that I'm moving over

and I can see my feet. And I'm flexible, but I'm not that flexible. And so I'm extra curious as to what's going on now because I'm looking straight down in my feet. And I look to my left and I see that Dia's her head is right there by my feet. I'm like, that's weird. And then I look into the corner of the room

right by where Dee's head is and I see this thing in the corner of the room and it looks like a negative photo where everything that's supposed to be white is black and everything that's supposed to be black

is white and it's this it looks like a monkey like a gorilla man just the facial features just everything that it is and its pupils its eyes are completely black

Its peoples are white and it's staring straight at me. It's sitting in the corner of the room kind of hunched over. And like it's like it's almost too deep. It's trying to get to her. And it's looking at me like, what are you going to do about it? And I speak to it and I noticed that my body, whatever, it starts rising up. And I'm trying to speak to it. but I'm speaking to it, not with my mouth, but with my mind.

And I'm telling it to leap. Get the F out of here. And it's looking at me and it's giving me this look like, okay, I'm not leaving. And so it's getting more aggressive and I just feel this super aggressive tone and facial expressions coming at me. and everything starts strobing really hard. Like my heart is starting to race now because I'm getting into a fight now. And so this thing comes at me.

It full on puts its arms and hands straight up to my shoulders. Like it's trying to choke my neck. And I do the same thing where I'm fighting it, but I can't see my arms and my hands, but I know I'm fighting this. thing off. So we're in this, we're in this battle in my room, in this strobing environment, and I'm trying my hardest to fight this thing away, and I end up pushing it away,

and out my, like, it goes through the wall and out into my backyard, and I'm watching it leave this whole time, but it's looking at me, it's backing up, and it's looking at me, like, I'm going to come back. Like, it's saying over, buddy. and it's just got those white pupils are just burning a hole in my memory because I still see it backing up and kind of moving away but just staring at me like this isn't over. But I got it away. So I got it away and as soon as I watch it leave and it dissipates into the distance, I get sucked back into my body and my eyes open and I am like I'm in a sweat already. and now like my I can feel my body my arms and I know I'm in my body

and I'm like oh and I wake up and I and I um see that he is lying down exactly the way I saw her in this quote unquote dream she is uh her head is where my seat is at and so I was like okay that wasn't a dream and I wake her up and I just ask her can you please lie down normally

can you please just just put your your head on the pillow. She's, oh, all right, she's groggy. She doesn't know why I'm waking her up in the middle of her sleep. But the next day, I tell her about this whole thing. And she was like, you know, I couldn't sleep. I couldn't really sleep until he told me to put my head at the pillow. I didn't even know that I turned around like that. I was like, okay, so, so you weren't, you weren't sleeping at all before. She's like, no, I was just, I was just, I kept waking up and going back to sleep. I was having horrible nightmares. And then,

After you told me to, after you woke me up to tell me to put my head on the pillow and that I was sleeping the wrong way, then I could, then I slept through the whole night. I was like, huh, that's weird. Okay. One was a, was a super weird experience that I had. Yeah. Nothing, nothing tops, nothing tops the double that, that doppelganger. I don't know, man. I don't know because what you just said and stuff, I'm just like, my jaw is dropped.

I mean, I'm just like, I mean, that thing had, like you were talking about an onion earlier with that relationship. You know, it's like everything was an onion where you peel back another layer. I mean, that story was like an onion. I mean, it was like you had so much crap going on there. Do you think that that whatever it was that you were having this, for lack of better terms, a battle with, do you think that caused your experience? I think so. I really do because it just,

thinking about the connections between the appearance of this thing and then how everything was only black and white how I could only see everything in black and white and this thing was like a

negative it looked like a negative photograph of a person it kind of there's consistency there and I feel like maybe maybe it was calling me through its dimension or something like that

to fight maybe I woke up and the only reason I could fight it off is because I had astrally projected into its dimension where I could see it. You know, like there's a lot of discussion about how maybe Bigfoot could be interdimensional or how grays when there's abductions, how they can be on a different plane because they can take you through walls when you're abducted by them. It's like they're different, they can control the vibration of whatever's going

on in this material plane and maybe they can travel through dimensions. And so that's kind of my theory with ghosts, entities, demons, that they're always around, but we can't interact with them if we don't have the same vibration in the same way that polarized lenses can cut out glare because it's got, you know, the light can only enter in certain directions. maybe that's the way our consciousness works where we can only see what we see as we do because that's all we can accept. Maybe some people have different lenses that they can see other things through.

And I feel like that experience was a trip into a different with a different lens where I could see it. I could interact with it because I'm in its realm where I'm interacting with it as an astro body or as a consciousness not as a physical being. And, you know, I just hear things about how you have in-adductions and they say that they speak to you telepathically. And that's exactly the same way this thing was speaking to me, telepathically. And that's how I was speaking to it. And I've never done that at all in my life.

Like, I've never spoken to anybody telepathically, but somehow I knew how to do it. And I was interacting with this entity. without words, without any physical, actual hard physical touch. So, yeah, I think it's totally connected to what happened to that whole event. Did anything ever happen again since then? Like, did you ever feel like that thing returned to, you know, like you had that feeling it was kind of come back or it was telling you, like,

I'm going to come back. Did you ever feel like it did come back? And did you ever tell your girlfriend what happened? Yeah, yeah. I told her about it. I told her what happened after she said, you know, how she was having a hard time sleeping. And I explained the whole thing to her,

and she was just pretty freaked out. I mean, understandably to think that you're the object of some demanding entity or aggressive entity's affection, you know? Yeah. That's not very calming or settling at all. And so she was bothered by it, but I told her, well, I fought it off. So at least I can do something about it, you know. So I should feel safe, at least marginally with me.

So I told her about that. Something else happened after that. So connected to that thing. I was told by one of my other friends that are into this whole thing, all of this paranormal stuff and he told me that that entity is now outside in the yard

so it stays outside now. I guess I've kicked it out and I kept it out but it still looks into the house. It still does things you know like through the windows and whatnot it still will mess with me. And you know I've had little weird occurrences in the house where something would be knocking on the wall

and it was like, it sounded like somebody's knocking on the door. Sounds like a person. It doesn't sound like a branch. There were no trees that were touching my house, nothing like that, but it sounded like something was knocking on the wall. And it would do it only when I'm alone

and when I'm about to fall asleep. That's kind of always when stuff would mess with me, even as a kid. And so there's that. There was a little knocking on the wall, but the real thing that that bothered me and not scared me, but yeah, it just bothered me was when I started dating my now wife, she had a son before me, and so he was about two years old when I met him. And we were about a year into the relationship and he was sleeping over.

and so he wanted to sleep in this little fort that we made in my second room. There was my bedroom and there was a second room. So he ended up going into the room and he had never been afraid of the dark really. Even now, he's not really afraid of the dark. So I found it really weird that he was sleeping in that second room and me and my wife, we were outside in the living room. And he ran outside. just terrified.

And we were like, what's going on? Like, he was, he couldn't even talk. He was just crying profusely, and he couldn't really put any words together. And by this time, like, he's three years old, so yeah, we expect that. But he could articulate his thoughts to us. He could speak to us in a way that we could understand at this point. So he couldn't speak. He was just panicked and terrified, and he finally calmed down.

and he took us to the room and he told us that somebody was coming through the window and I was like, what? And so we were there and I stood there and I was looking for anything, like anything that would look like something coming to do it. Like maybe he was mistaken, maybe it was shadows. But, you know, I remember saying stuff like that when I was a kid

and nobody believed to me, so I want to believe him. But I want to make him, but I want to make him sure that, you know, it's a real concern. Maybe it was mistaken. I don't know. So I'm looking around, and my wife, she's standing at the doorway, looking into the room. The light is on now.

So she's standing at the doorway, and I'm looking around the room for anything that it might be. And she screams. And once again, it's like that us being in a, we're two people in a scary movie, and I'm not panicking, but as soon as she screams, I'm going to get, I'm going to scream. I'm like, oh, what, what, what's going on? So she screams and she goes, there was a, there was a, uh, uh, there was a, uh, there's a face in the curtain.

I was like a face in the curtain. And I look up and I'm like, I don't, what is going on? And she goes, there was a face. She calms on. There was a face in the curtain. I know this is going to sound super, super weird. Like, I know I'm imagining things. But the wind came through.

the curtain and there was a it looked like somebody's head was coming coming through like trying to come out of the curtain I was like no way she goes no I could see a head I could see a face I could see this big

flat like nose like nostrils but it looked like a gorilla and I was like oh my I make the connection there wow that and I can't say for sure that it's the same thing

Jacob, my stepson, he sees this thing. He tells us he sees like a man trying to come through the window. And it's just big coming through the window. And then my wife, as we're trying to look for this thing, she sees a head coming, she sees the form of a face behind the curtain. Like it's trying to come through the window. And I'm just like, okay. So I guess it's not over then.

So that was the only thing that happened after that. And we've moved out of that house now. Now we live in a different place. But that was the last thing connected to that entity that happened in that house. Wow, man. Dude, so do you think that entity was strictly connected to that house or was it to the ex-girlfriend and she kind of brought it to that house? I mean, that's crazy that your wife and stepson saw what you battled during your out-of-body experience. Right, right.

And it freaked me out. And I don't know if it was just connected to D or if it was connected to me. So a little backstory on that house that I used to live in my old house. So that house was on a lot. There were three houses on that lot. The house I lived in was all the way at the end, all the way at the back of the lot. And then my mom lived in the middle house, and then my grandpa lived in the front house. Now, when we first moved into that lot, it was just my grandpa that had a house in that lot.

My grandpa lived in my old house. He lived in the house that I was living first. So that was when I was like five years old. He moved into that house. Um, and he lived in that house until I was about 15. And then he moved into the first house. Now, when I was 20, I moved, oh, sorry, when I was 24, I moved into that, that house that, um, that my grandpa first moved into.

Now, when my grandpa was living there and I was a five year old, I would play in the yard all the time by myself. but I would always feel uncomfortable whenever I was around this orange tree that grew in the yard and that orange tree, like, it gave us sweet oranges and all that stuff. Like nothing was too weird about it, but I always felt like something was watching me when I would play by that orange tree in the yard.

And so I always avoided that area. I wouldn't really go by there when I was playing outside by myself. and so the same friend that told me that I had I guess banished that entity out into the yard told me that it was hanging out by that orange tree

and that window that my wife saw the face come through the curtain or trying to come through the curtain that window is directly in front or the orange tree is directly outside that window so

I don't know if it was connected to me or if it's connected to that house or that land. Yeah, that's something, that was a question that I always wondered about. But I don't think it's connected to me because it never followed me. It's probably not connected to D, but if I connect all the dots now, maybe it's just connected to that land, that house. Well, Orange you, glad you moved out of that house. I am. I'm glad.

Wamp, womp. But that was my, that was my, pretty much my childhood home. That was the only home I really knew and it was the only consistent place that I really had because I stayed on that, I was on that property from five years old to 30 years old. I was there for about 25 years. Dude, man. those are some crazy experiences, dude. Like, why is it that when I do this show, I hear all these crazy stories? And I'm the one that doesn't ever experience anything.

I just hear all the stories. I'm like, I mean, I don't think I want to experience what you experienced, but my Lord, my Lord, have you ever felt like you were going crazy when you had some of these experiences? Oh, yeah, when I was younger, and that's why I really, I really connected to, the interview from the last show, this most recent show that just aired, the Dark Guardian. I really could relate to him

because he talked about how he, no matter what, where he went, like he was always tormented by something and, you know, a lot of people in the house didn't really believe or listen to him or anything like that. And growing up, I had a lot of experiences like that. Like, I remember,

one time sitting in in my room in one of my older houses I've moved around a lot as a kid so in one of the houses that me and my mom were staying in I I remember sitting there and

just being completely in a state of panic and fear to the point where I couldn't move I was frozen and I'm just there huddled up like my knees to my chest sitting on the bed and I just felt like I was surrounded by something that wanted to hurt.

And I would sit there and I grew up Catholic, so I would pray. And I would say the Helmarron, and I would say they are Father, and just basically all the penance prayers that I learned in confession. And so I would just say those things and it would go away. But I would have to be in a state of desperation until it went away. And I would try to tell my mom about it, but, you know, my mom does believe in this kind of stuff. But at that point in time, she was a young mom. And at this point, I think I was nine years old and she was 26.

And so she's a single mom and she's got way more concerns than me feeling scared in my room or in the room by myself. You know, so she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. just go to sleep. And, you know, I get it now as an adult. Like, okay, yeah, it's not much of a concern to you and you've got all these other things to worry about. I get it. But as a kid, I was like, oh, like nobody believes me.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm crazy. You know, like. So I always wondered about that. And I just spent a lot of my life just wondering what all of this stuff is. And so I really relate to that last show. Yeah. The Dark Guardian show.

Yeah. And I was stillborn as well. So I was born dead. And I didn't come back to life to like maybe 10 minutes later. And it's just that the doctors didn't want to give up on me. Like I wasn't, I was completely suffocated by the by the umbilical cord. But when I was born, I had no vital signs whatsoever. Like there was no faint heartbeat.

My entire body was black, blue, purple. all these different colors because there was no circulation going on. I had no heartbeat, no brain activity. Of course, I wasn't breathing. And the doctor just decided, like, he just didn't want to give up on me. And you would try. And so he tried for 10 minutes, and I came back to life. And ever since then, well, my mom told me that story.

And I would always wonder about a time I was like maybe five or six years old, like, what am I, what am I doing here then? Because I had a concept of death in life and I had a concept of a soul and because I was raised Catholic and I learned about all of that in school. And I would always question like, okay, so why did I come back to life? And how did that affect me? And I don't know, I always wondered that. And as I got older, I started running into a lot of people who were into this kind of stuff. and they could tell from right away,

like it would always tell, like you've got one foot in death's door already. So it's like you're kind of halfway in between. And I guess, you know, from time to time, I would be able to interact with all of these things that would happen. And maybe that's why I experienced the stuff I experienced. Like when I was younger, I could see stuff. But I would, as I got older,

I purposely tried to cut that out of my life because it was just causing too much weirdness, you know? So that relationship with D that I had was the thing that brought me back into this world. Because for several years, I had just completely cut paranormal and spirituality out of my life. Everything was just work and money and just do what you got to do. Don't complain. Be a nice person. That's it.

Nothing else to life. All this stuff is just coincidence is let it go. But that relationship kind of brought me back into the world very forcefully. Yeah. Because of all the things that happened. And I had to start asking these questions again. Wow. That's incredible, man.

Absolutely incredible. Do you think that this whole, I don't know, endeavor that you've been on with the show is almost destiny then? I don't know. Absolutely. Dude, I mean, like, the way we met, you weren't a listener of my show initially. Like, I mean, we met because of the Vegas shootings and stuff and your one post went viral. And I contacted you asking how you are getting a hold of all the people that were there. And that's how the Vegas shows even started.

Like, we did what, two, three, four of them or something like that where we had people coming on that were actually there. And the first show was put together because you were connected to these people because your post went viral. and then we build a relationship and now you're working with me on the show I mean, it just seemed like it was destiny for you to kind of get involved on the show and stuff. I mean, what are the odds of me

finding you because of a viral post that went viral and contacting you and then from there our relationship actually building you being an artist and also being involved and enjoying this kind of content. It's just crazy. Absolutely, man.

I completely agree. And as a younger man, I never believed in destiny or fate because I just felt like, no, you make your actions, or you make your destiny for your action. And I still believe that. But I also believe that there is some, there's like an underlying script here somewhere. And I feel like the only time you recognize that something is destiny is when you can look back at everything and see the opportunities that you took to allow things.

to fall into place the way they have now. And so I believe in destiny, but I believe destiny only happens to those who are aware of the opportunities and they take the opportunities and actions necessary to fulfill it. And yeah, I completely agree with you. And I remember listening to your show

after you message me and I wanted to just hear what the show was about. I remember listening to it like, oh, this is so cool because I'm listening to the story and I'm seeing all these things in my head. And I just wanted to draw them out and just showing you, deciding to show you like, yeah, I listened to your show and I drew this picture.

And I just wanted to share it, like, with no expectations at all. Like, I just wanted to show you what your show is doing for me. And it's pretty cool that I get to express myself creatively. And I have this awesome material, these visuals that are coming through. And it just so it just moves into this. And I feel like if you had it. taking the opportunity to message me and ask me about the post that I made about the Vegas shootings, none of this would happen.

And if I didn't take the opportunity to just, yeah, why don't I just draw it out? Why don't I send it to you and just share it with you and not be afraid of like, oh, what if you doesn't think it's nice or whatever? Like, just show it to you. Just share it with you. And if I hadn't taken that opportunity, all of this stuff, all of these steps were necessary to get here. So I completely believe in it. Absolutely, but dude, I mean, when you, when this, it's so crazy because the way,

the way you just said that, it's funny because you would send me sometimes, you know, pieces you drew after hearing the show. And I used to think, wow, this is really good. But I was always like kind of shy to ask you to help with the show because I didn't want you thinking that I was taking advantage of our relationship. And so I remember the one time, like, you sent me some artwork and you're like, if you ever need help with anything, just let me know. And I was like, well, actually. And then it turns out that you and I subscribe to the very, very same philosophies on how to, you know, cross promotion and working with people

and giving. And it's just like, it was like we were meant to work together. I mean, even down to, you know, our go-to guys when it comes to like business philosophies and stuff. I mean, it was just like everything clicked on all levels because, you know, we're just pretty much the same person. Even, you know, I look at pictures of you. I'm like, we even kind of look the same. Yeah, man. You're like a taller Puerto Rican version of me.

And I'm like a smaller Hawaiian version of you. Got the same bald head. We got the same beer. Yeah, pretty much the logo is you. Yeah. Yeah. When I wear the What do you say that?

Because when I wear the sweatshirt, you send with the logo, when I wear that out, everybody asked it, oh, so you're just going to wear a logo of yourself?

A little narcissistic, huh, buddy? Kind of fool yourself. I'm like, no, no, this is a show. My friend Tony, he runs the show.

And like, oh, oh, can I show them the picture? And they're like, dude, you guys are like twins. Yeah. It's funny.

It's funny, man. Like, I was just looking at, online today and somebody said that I looked like a well-known big footer. And I'm like, how? It doesn't make sense. He has a full, beautiful head of hair. He's white. I mean, I said, I'm Puerto Rican, a lot darker than him in bald, and I can't even grow hair like that. So I don't know how we look the same. Yeah, man, we're definitely, because I'm Puerto Rican too, but I'm way less Puerto Rican than you are.

Yeah. But yeah, like we, we have that same the same silhouette. So, yeah, the logo was basically,

uh, basically us. Absolutely. One of us. Pick one. Absolutely. Dude, I appreciate you coming on

and sharing these stories, man. I feel like this was something that should have been done a long time ago. And I do appreciate you sharing with us now. Oh,

yeah, man. No problem. No problem. I've got a ton more. So if you ever, uh, if you ever need an interview?

Dude, man. I'll let you know. Well, we might do a sequel at some point. Please. That'd be so awesome. I love sharing these stories. Well, that's short, buddy. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, there are three things you can do to help support the show. One, go to iTunes and leave a five-star rating and review. Two, go to patreon.com forward slash the confessions and sign up to become a patron. And three, you can share the show that you're listening to right now around social media.

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