The Confessionals - RELOADED | 12: Bigfoot and Beyond

Episode Date: August 29, 2022

In Episode 12, we have a new segment produced by a special guest! For our main interview, we talk with Chris about strange incidents in his life, beginning with Bigfoot activity, multiple sightings of UFOs, a “Gray” alien in his bedroom, and finally, an out-of-body experience that left him shocked and scared.Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinSPONSORSGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5CONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaITikTok: @theconfessionalsDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkel

Merkel. Media. I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine? Out of a Dolorean? Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves.

Time travel is possible. Welcome to Reloaded Monday, everybody. We have episode 12. Yes, episode 12, a reloaded Monday with a fundamental episode, an episode that helped laid the foundation of what we have before us today. Pardon the shy Tony that you're about to hear because I was still trying to find myself behind the microphone and also pardon the audio quality, even though I did do some little mixing and mastering to it just to try to bolster it a little bit for you because it was really, really bad when I first downloaded this from the archive. but this is a reloaded Monday. So what can you expect except for old school episodes, episodes that really did help build the direction of this show.

And that is what we got for you today. We have Chris coming on to share his strange life of incidences, beginning with Bigfoot activity, going into UFO, having a gray alien in his bedroom and also out-of-body experiences. Sit back, relax, grab some popcorn, and enjoy this retro Monday with Chris and old. old school Tony on this foundational episode of the Confessionals. Okay, I reload! I shoot the lights out until it's bright out. Oh, just another lonely night. Are you willing to sacrifice your life?

They're staying in the shadows. It's called probing. make sure things are all please for the rest of the rest of the moment. Do you guys hear that? Welcome to the show, everybody. I am your host, Tony Merkel, and I am really glad that you're here.

And I'm really glad to be here. Tonight we have a special guest coming on, Darren Marler. He's a professional voiceover artist, and he's going to be hosting a segment called Weird Darkness. You can find Weird Darkness and many, many other videos on his YouTube channel called Marler House. Do me a favor and head over there, hit subscribe, and actually hit that little bell next to

subscribe. It will automatically notify you when he has a new video up. I highly recommend you guys do this because he has a lot of great content on there. Every Tuesday and Saturday, he comes out with a new episode. These episodes are all nonfiction, true stories. Sometimes he mix in some creepy pastas and things like that, but mostly they're all true stories that he narrates and puts in a very, very entertaining format. If you want any more information on Darren, you can find him at marlerhouse.com. That's M-A-R-L-A-R-House.com. So yeah, check them out on YouTube and iTunes and Spreaker. You can find them everywhere. Check his stuff out. Hit Subscribe and show some love, please. Now, before we get going on the segment with Darren,

weird darkness, I want to tell you guys two things. The first thing I want to tell you about is iTunes. You guys did a fantastic job this week, going to iTunes, rating and reviewing the show. I saw a number increase on that, and I just wanted to say thank you because anything you guys do outside of actually listening to the show as a fan base is above and beyond anything you actually have to do. And so I just wanted to say thank you for doing that. The second thing I actually wanted to talk to you guys about was actually later this month on April 29, 2017. Between 1 and 5 p.m., I'm going to be in Cannonsburg, Pennsylvania, doing my first live public speaking engagement at the Cannonsburg. Library. I was invited to come speak by Doug Waller and the library themselves to talk about my Bigfoot group, Pennsylvania Sasquatch Research, and also my philosophies when it comes to Bigfoot.

But that's not all we're going to be doing. We're actually going to be doing a live interview right there in front of the entire audience, The Confessional Style. We have a Bigfoot witness who saw a Bigfoot up close in northwestern Pennsylvania. We're going to have him there. We're going to interview him right there in front of everybody. We're going to take questions from the audience. it's going to be a great time. I highly recommend you guys come out and check it out. If you're in Ohio, West Virginia, Virginia, or within an hour's drive of this place, please come out, meet me, and just enjoy the program. Now let's get to Weird Darkness with Darren Marler. I'm Darren Marler, and this is Weird Darkness. Black-eyed kid stories seem to be growing exponentially.

For some reason, they're being reported more and more in parking lots. Even in the middle of the day. We begin in California with Ruth Lang's story. I was making my way home from college one afternoon, but had to stop off at the store to get some groceries. Everything was normal. It was a bright, sunny day in California. After paying for my groceries,

I made my way back to my car and found a boy standing by my car. I didn't pay much attention, unlocked the driver's side door and got inside. I rested my groceries on the passenger seat, and as I went to start the car, the boy turned and tapped on the window. Looking back, it was almost as though he was frozen. He literally spun around when I went to start the car. His tapping on the window was strange, too. It was almost in rhythm.

I got out of the car and started. stood across from him. He lifted his head, and I could see his eyes. They were black, just like other people have said. He looked to be about 12 years old, and he just stared at me. I felt absolutely terrified and got back into the car and tried to start the engine. I don't know if I could actually hear his voice, or whether he communicated with me another way, but he wanted to get into the car. He wanted to go somewhere with me. I started the car, pulled out of the space, and headed for the exit. Even though he was just standing there, I could still hear him in my head. I know I felt sleepy. My eyelids were extremely heavy, and I couldn't stay awake. As soon as I got

home, I went straight to bed, and I was late to work the following morning. I haven't seen the boy since, but that whole week still seems dreamlike to me. I saw a story about a black-eyed kid on Facebook a few weeks ago and wanted to share my story. I think my experience was a little different to others and would like to know if anyone else has suffered any long-term effect from being around these kids. Well, Ruth, I can tell you they have.

In fact, Barry Walker of Indiana is a very similar story from when he was a child. Recently, I've been thinking about something that happened to me a few years ago. This was in the 1970s when I was 10 or 11 years old. During summer break from school, I had gone with my mother to the mall. It was a normal day. We did some shopping, and then I went back to the car while my mother did some grocery shopping and got her haircut.

I was sitting in the car, listening to the radio, when I saw a boy my age walked down the sidewalk. He looked kind of familiar, and I just watched him. He must have noticed me because he turned and walked towards the car. He stood outside the car door, staring in at me. I stared back, and at the time I couldn't believe this, but his eyes were completely black. I also remember that the radio had been playing loud and clear, Until the boy had walked over to the car. Now, all I could hear was interference and white noise. It was like the boy blotted out the radio signal.

His eyes were completely black. For years, I told myself that I imagined that. But they were. He didn't move, flinch, or blink. He just stared until he spoke. Let me in, he said. quietly. I said nothing, but kept staring at him. The car door was locked. I always locked the doors when I was in the car alone. The part of town we lived in was pretty rough, and you never knew who

would try to steal the car. Let me in, he repeated. I forced myself to turn away from him and stared directly ahead. He said the same thing a few more times, and then I heard a bang on the window. I turned my head, and he was gone. My mother came back about ten minutes later, and I told her about it. She said that she believed me, but I don't think she did. I do think I came face to face with a demon. He wasn't wild, abusive, or seemingly dangerous. He just seemed to be playing a game.

These creatures are extremely dangerous. I hate to think what might have happened, and I opened the door and let it in. James Reed of Idaho had a similar experience with a bit of a twist. I have a black-eyed kids encounter to report. A few weeks ago, my wife and I were returning home after seeing a movie. As we stopped at an intersection, two children were walking down the sidewalk. It was still early, so there was nothing strange about kids still being around.

I would guess they were around 11 or 12, but they stepped off the sidewalk and walked over to our car. The lights were still red. I thought they would just run across in front of us. Kids do some stupid stuff. One of them tapped on the driver's side window of the car. I started to feel afraid. I didn't know why I was afraid, but I was. This wasn't a carjacker or anything like that.

these were young kids, what could they possibly do? Can we get in? One of them asked. We need to get in. I ignored them. Let us in, he said again. We have to get out of here. I turned to look at them and saw they had completely black eyes.

These kids were dressed as you would expect modern kids to look, jeans and sweaters. There was nothing strange about them until you saw them. until you saw their eyes. These eyes were black, almost as though they were wearing contact lenses. It's impossible to actually have eyes as black as those were. They kept tapping, and I tried to ignore them waiting for the light to turn green.

The light won't go green until you let us in, the other kid said. I turned, and I asked them what they wanted. A ride, he replied. I have no idea what was going on with my wife at this point. She says she has no memory of it. All I remember from this point forward is being on the other side of the intersection and driving. I don't know what happened to the kids. I have no idea if I jumped the lights.

I can't have blacked out. I have no idea how I got from those red lights to driving down the highway on the other side. Has anyone else experienced anything like this? I've read all the accounts on your site and haven't seen any that deal with blackouts or lost time. Jerry's experience definitely is weird. What about you? Have you had any black-eyed kid experiences?

Have any of them involved lost time or blacking out? Tell me your story at weirddarkness.com. Well, I really hope you enjoyed that weird darkness segment with Darren Marler. I certainly did. And you can find Darren on YouTube at Marler House, or you can go to his website at marlerhouse.com. But please let me know if you enjoyed that segment, because if many of you did, we can arrange to have Darren back in the future. The way you let me know is you go to the website, The Confessionalspodcast.com,

hit the connection section and an email me that way, or you can email me directly at The Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. Either way works for me. I look forward to hearing from you guys. Moving on to this week's interview, we're going to be sitting down with Chris, who has a lot of experiences in life, ranging from possible Bigfoot activity to his cousin actually seeing a Bigfoot in Northeast PA, to seeing UFOs in a gray in his bedroom, to actually having an outer body experience when he was younger. Chris has had a lot of experiences. I know you're going to enjoy his stories, so let's get to it.

Okay, tonight I have a guest with me who has had several experiences throughout his entire life. and it goes anywhere from Bigfoot to UFO to outer body experiences. I mean, this guy has had a lot of experiences in life, and I definitely wanted to bring him on the show. So, Chris, how are you? Good. How you doing, Tony? I'm doing good, man. I'm really excited to hear these stories. The email that you sent me a few weeks ago, I was just like drooling out of my mouth when I read those things. I was like, wow, this is so cool. And I'm really glad you kind of decided to come on the show and actually

share it with the audience. this is going to be awesome. I'm really excited to hear what you have to say. Let's start with the Bigfoot stuff. What kind of experiences have you had with Bigfoot? Sure. So, you know, I can't say it was definitely Bigfoot. However, after listening to a lot of other shows,

a lot of the experiences that we've had up there kind of point in that direction after I started listening to them. Where we vacation is kind of a mountain house. Oh, it is a mountain house out in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania. You go through a development first, it's a lake development, and then right at the very edge of the development is a dirt road. We take the dirt road back about a mile and a half into the middle of the woods, and that's where our house is located.

There's a few other houses back there, but the majority of the time it's usually just us that are up in that location. bordering the house about, I want to say, a quarter mile up the road more is the state game land. So it's pretty desolate. I want to say like closest hospital is about 45 minutes away. It's very quiet up there. That's what we enjoy.

And the kids love it up there. We can do a lot, go fishing, go swimming. when me and some of my friends up there, we like to do target shooting, go out in this big stone quarry that's up there, do target shooting. And back in, I guess, the late or early 1900s, the place was known for mining, ice and other minerals from that area. So there's a lot of caves, a lot of big cave systems.

We actually went down on one of them one time that's connected to the quarry that we target shoot at. And it was more or less a beehive. We thought it was just one cave, but it was a beehive and it just goes down and down and down into these crazy caverns. So that's kind of where we were.

Excuse me. I guess the first thing that happened was there's a big river up there. And every year they do a dam release. And my very good friend's brother is a river guide up there for the way wooder rafting.

The first experience that I had that I can probably say that I think it has something to do with Bigfoot was we were going down the river and I was in a raft with six people and we were about to hit rapids

and while the boat was moving slowly I like to look at the scenery. I like to look all around and to my right there was a hillside with, I had to be at a 60 degree angle off the river going up, so there was tons of trees. What calling my attention was about, I want to say, 50 feet up this hillside. There was a tree there, and you can only see the canopy of it.

You couldn't see the trunk or anything like that. At the river level, you can see the trunks of the trees right there. You know, 50, 75 foot trees, but as you went down, you can't see anything above that. So this one tree that I noticed out of nowhere was vibrating. I can't say shaking because it wasn't just shaking. This tree was vibrating rapidly. And because we were getting too rapid, I was trying to get people to look. I was like, hey, hey, look.

Look at the hillside over there, please. Everyone, but no one was paying attention to me because we were about to hit rapids, and they were all. And sort of about that, but I was paying attention to it, and this tree was literally, rapidly shaking. It was like hard vibration coming from this tree just for as long. I remember going past the rapid and looking back, and it was still doing it. It was weird, and you could hear it in the background, like,

like really, really going crazy. I know bear do that. From what I read, but I just couldn't, I couldn't see a bear shaking a tree that much. And, you know, I just,

I found that to be a little interesting. Yeah. Yeah, it was weird. And I've never seen something as big as a tree that it was, shake so rapidly. Very interesting. But I didn't,

I didn't put two and two. together then just because I wasn't thinking about Bigfoot. I wasn't. So I guess the next thing that happened was we were up there about two years later. And it was me, my girlfriend, who was now my wife, my sister-in-law, my brother-in-law, and their 13-year-old son. and we decided to go for a hike to the mountaintop, which is about four and a half miles from the house.

If you get there, you have to go up the road that we go on to get to the house. You have to go up the road about a quarter mile. And once you get to the quarter mile, there is a big gate for the game lands, but the trail that you can go on. It's like a dirt road. road. And you can take the dirt road for miles.

I think it's probably for state game land people to travel on it. It need be. But we were walking up this road. To get to the mountain top, you have to kind of veer off this road onto these trails to get it up there. So about, I want to say about three and a half to four miles up, we veered off onto this other trail. and this other trail is it's not so much as a road. It's like a walking path more or less. You know, two people can fit on either side going up this trail.

So we were walking up this trail. My wife and her sister were ahead of us, and her sister was pregnant at the time. My nephew, who was then, I want to say it was about 10 or 11, was in the middle and me and my brother are on the back. During these walks, my brother and I are always armed

up there just because there are bare, and we have, during that hike and other times, we have definitely seen signs of mountain lion or cougar or something like that. Big, big scat of what looks like a cat

indefinitely. Walking up this trail and the girls are talking my brother and I are talking with my nephew everything's cool something growled at us and the only way

I can describe this was it was a growl inside literally vibrated my ribcage and that's what really freaked me out about it and as soon as the girls heard it they were ahead of us

as soon as they heard it they turned around and started walking back to us and we're like, oh my God, what was that? And we all kind of came back together, and the ground was still going. It was about five to seven seconds long. And as soon as I got back to us, my brother-in-law and I, we felt it was necessary to draw our firearms.

We weren't pointing in any direction. We unholstered them, extremely worried. We did not know what it was. I had a, we both had a clear line of sight for 50 yards or more all around us. We didn't see anything, nothing. But this corral was,

it was something I never heard before. And I know on other shows, you know, the way they describe it is exactly how I felt it. It was, if you were in a car with like subwoofers or something like that or at a concert standing next to a,

speaker. You get that feeling in you, just that sound vibrating and reverberating kind of within your body. It's exactly what we felt. We all sat there for about five minutes, kind of just looking around trying to figure out what it was and we could not, there was nothing there, nothing at all. Months after that occurred, my brother-in-law pulled me. And again, we weren't into the Bigfoot thing then. He stated to me that he heard and after the fact

he heard what sounded like something full and started running away like something bipedal started running away. I was surprised he didn't tell me then because I would have been you know, I'm like what what you're talking about? But yeah, that was that was a pretty freaky experience

But we didn't turn back. We still continued up to the mountain top. And for me, it was creepy because just the whole way up there, I felt like like Rurban watched. But I can't say for sure just because I didn't see anything. But the growl alone was something that I've never experienced before. I've heard bears grunt. There's a big bear around that house that comes around.

We call him Barrel because he's literally a giant. barrel with legs and he just kind of coves through that area and we see him every once in a while but he doesn't do anything he just walks through I've grunted with

full grown bucks before that were outside of the house just making silly noises at them and they grunt back and I'll grunt back to them I know those noises well we heard that then I don't think was

I don't know this didn't seem like a an animal that we were familiar with. When you had to growl, did you feel it in your body? I almost said, like, because I heard people describe a lion growling and how you feel reverberate in your chest. Is that how you would possibly describe it? Because, I mean, I'm sure you've been to a zoo.

You live near Philadelphia. You've probably been to a Philly Zoo, and you heard the lions roar. Yep. Is it kind of like that? Yeah, no. Exactly, but more so. it was something that really when I was at the zoo

you could hear them obviously you're at the zoo so you have that sense of well-being you know that the animal's not in the wild but you'll still hear them make those noises and it was similar to those but I would say 10 times that amount like it shook my red ribcage it made me feel very uneasy

like extremely uneasy and I think that that's exactly why we drew our guns because we didn't know what it was and the fact that we had you know my sister-in-law at the time was pregnant we had my wife and a 10 or 11-year-old with us so yeah it made us feel really really uneasy and I know what you're saying about the growl and everything else but at the zoo and like I said it it was like that but I would say 10 times more more so That's incredible. Yeah, it was pretty wild.

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Let me ask you, so your brother-in-law, I believe you said it was your brother-in-law, was there with you. And he said that he thinks he heard something, fall out of a tree and then run off. So is he suggesting, do you guys think maybe it was in a tree growling at you? I would think so,

because I have great vision, and especially when we're out there with the kids, I'm very observant, and I try to just keep track of surroundings everywhere all the time. And we didn't see anything. And we, at that time, like I said, I wasn't so much in the Bigfoot like I am now. And we didn't see anything. In our line of sight, there was nothing. I didn't see anything run away.

I had perfect view of everything around me. And there was nothing. And this was in Lanzerne County still? Correct. Okay. State game lands of Luzerne County. Gotcha. So I guess the next one, the next thing that happened, I wasn't there for, and neither was my brother-in-law, but his parents who actually owned the property were there.

And in the summer, they go away for the winter, they have a little condo in Florida that they go to. and every summer they'll come back and they usually go to this mountain house every weekend or so if not a couple weeks during the year or during the summer and one day I was actually hanging out with my brother-in-law with the kids

and as parents called them they had just gotten up there and they were like they started asking my brother-in-law hey were you guys up here saying nah we haven't been up there since you know early May something like that.

And the reason they were asking is because there was a lot of messed up stuff at the house. For instance, in the backyard, there's a lot of flour pots, things like that covering wood. My brother-in-law's father had recently, the month before, had planted daisies around this pond that had the bottom of the house. And out back of the house, we have two hay bales stacked on top of each other. So for archery, we can go out back and do some archery when we want to. There's two hay bal stocked on top of each other. And there was a tarp over that.

And then we had targets on top of that. So when they got up there, they were looking out back at the house and saw that all these tarps on the wood piles were taken off. There was a lot of flour pot that were in the backyard, that were turned over. And they were saying it looked like something was digging at the dirt, which you know, my brother-in-law and I were like,

okay, well, it was probably the bear and he was hungry, something like that. He was going around looking for stuff. And then his dad told us that down there of the pond, there was his daisies that he had planted were pulled out of the ground. They weren't bitten, they weren't

like ripped. but it looked like they were pulled from the, kind of from the bottom of the stem like popped out of the ground and then something had eaten the blossoms. We weren't, you know, we were kind of like, okay, we're not sure about that.

And then the next thing he told us was that and it had rained up there recently. So the hay bales were, even though there was a tarp on them, the tarp didn't cover the whole thing. It was just in the front, kind of something to put the targets on. Apparently,

something that's taken a hay bale and brought it about 50 yards away. Placed it under a tree and made a bet out of it. Now, you know, I don't know if bear do this. I don't think cat do it. Every type of research that I've tried, researching about bears and making nests and things. I've never heard of them doing this.

But the haybell, the cop haybell, the archery stand, it was, had to be picked up because there was no trail of hay. We're talking to his dad at the time when he just got up there, so we're on the phone with him. And he's like, there is no, you know,

there's no trail of hay going down to the area. but he saw this long path of like, I guess, stepped along grass. Not really any footprints or anything like that, but the grass was worn down. But there was no hay at all. So 50 yards away, down on this other trail away from the house. I saw it a few months later when we went up and the hay was still there. But it was under a tree next to a pile of old railroad ties that, a railroad. ties that a railroad used to go through there.

But when his grandfather was alive, his grandfather and a crew kind of tore up these railroad ties and stacked them up about 50 to 75 yards away from the house. So these railroad ties are over in this corner. And then next to them was the hay bale and it was made into a bed. I mean, that's the only thing I can describe it as. That did a picture and showed us and we went up a few months later and it was still there, but it was a bed. I was under a tree, a low-hanging tree,

and then directly perpendicular to this bed was a fresh tree that was just pushed over, blocking another trail that was coming down in that area. Just a full tree had to be at least five, six inches diameter, if not a little more. I was just pushed over, cracked. It was more or less like split. Like, you know, something wasn't cracking it, but it was just pushed over with force.

It was blocking this trail, and there was a hay bed underneath that. And we didn't know, you know, like I said, we researched it. I've never heard of they're doing that or anything like that. we were very surprised at that and the hay's actually, we were up there

a couple months ago and the hay's still there still hasn't moved but for something to be able to, not to mention that it rained so whatever did this kicked up soaking wet hay bale carried in about 50 or 75 yards away from the house

without any trail of hay and made a bed out of it under a tree and then pushed a tree over, I guess, to block anything from or to get, you know, just to block it, block that trail. So that was the other weird thing that's happened up there. And we have never seen anything up there personally. But after, like I said, after listening to a lot of different things, it seems like that may have been the case.

Can't say for sure, but it's very weird stuff. Yeah, if anything, it's curious, you know. Yeah, exactly. It's very curious. And just for something to take a wet hay bale and carry it that distance, it's very weird. Yeah, I know. I mean, when I was a kid growing up, we actually stole the farmer's hay bales and we would make like little huts out of it and stuff. And, you know, obviously he didn't appreciate that.

But I remember as a kid, I was probably maybe 13 or 14, just to carry those things. I mean, it took two of us a lot of times. and that's not from being wet. I mean, those things, if it's wet, I can't imagine how heavy it would be. Exactly. And you guys made a hut out of it at least. Whatever did this,

just made a bed out of it. It was just the haybell smashed into the ground. And it just looked like a bed. It's all I can describe it as. Something slept on it. And a month after that, I went, when we went up, I actually, I went down there to check it out.

And the hay was still there, and I was searching around and looking for any other type of evidence. but I couldn't, I didn't, I did not see anything. So, you know, who's to say, I don't know what it was or what did that. Did teenagers do it? Maybe, you know, but there are very few teenagers that are hanging out, you know, a mile and a half, two miles back in the woods from woods from the development in the middle of the night. You know, it's just weird to think about.

Yeah, especially nowadays. I mean, when I was a kid growing up, yeah, sure, kids could definitely do something like that. But nowadays, not that kids can't, but kids won't. I mean, they are too distracted with their devices and their games and their phones and everything like that. I mean, kids just don't make it out of the house. Exactly. Exactly. That's why I found most weird about it.

It's a strange thing. Yeah, absolutely. I guess the last one I have to tell about is my cousin. He lives about an hour north of where we are towards Scranton area. He's always lived out there currently in the Navy. Once in a while, I'll come back to Philadelphia and visit us. And he came back one time, and this is just when I started listening to these big podcasts and things like that. And I'd always known that, and we're in a few different places, that Pennsylvania was kind of,

many people had experiences in Pennsylvania regarding these things. and we were hanging out one night and out of the blue I just asked me you know, you ever see a big foot by any chance and it got quiet real quick and kind of hesitant to talk about it but he then said

yeah I think I did see one one time and I was like wow really and you know would your mind tell me about it and he said where he lived and where his parents still live he's in the Navy, so he's kind of back and forth once in a while.

But he went out in the woods. Up there, you can kind of walk, especially where his parents would he can walk a half mile into the woods and start target shooting wherever you want, really, down the woods, as long as it's safe, not nearby people. And he said he was going back there one day. And he was about a mile and

was like kind of he stopped walking started kind of just getting the targets ready taking things out of his pocket his backpack and he heard like a rustling in the trees rustling the bushes the trees about

I want to say 25, 30 yards away from him and when he looked over there he thought he saw a bear and this is him telling him he said he thought he saw a bear but then when he saw the color of it it didn't remind him of a bear.

He's like, wow, that's a really weird color brown. That's bear. I've never seen it. He was describing it as like a brown, kind of dark orange. And he said he, you know, he just kind of sat there and kept going about his business. He's already used to bear. Bear coming in his backyard all the time. He's already used to it.

So he figured, you know, bears doing what's doing. I'll keep doing what I'm doing. And eventually it's probably going to take off. and, you know, I'll just go about by a target unit. So he was putting up his target, and he glanced over again, and that's when he said that he saw this big orange arm gripping a branch on this tree.

And he started to get a little freaked out then. And he said, what he was telling me was like, all I can tell you is that the hand of this thing was dark brown and the hair reminded me of like an orangutan. And then he said, as he was a, at that point he was kind of stunned. He was standing there, freaked out. And at that point, whatever was gripping this branch, he used his leverage and pulled itself up.

And then how he tells me, and then he says, that's when he cramps himself more or less because it wasn't a bear. It was something that was eight or nine feet tall. He knows this by, because three weeks later, he went back and measured the branch. It took them that long to go back out in the woods,

something that grew up in the woods. After seeing something like that, he said he literally walked, he went home and didn't go out of his house for about two weeks. But he said it grabbed the branch, pull itself up, and he said the whole thing was massive, extremely muscular,

and had like four-inch-long hair coming down its back, like Alburn-type color, orange. And the only thing he could pair it to was an orangutan. He never got to see its face or anything like that. He said it pulled itself up, took one big step forward, and kind of just walked off through the brush and stuff like that. And when he told me that, I was like, wow, man, you know, why didn't you tell me that before? And he just said, I just, I didn't want people to think I was crazy.

His dad was a, now retired, but his dad, my uncle was a 35 years, now retired state trooper up there. And the last thing he wanted to do was tell his dad about it because his dad probably would have, you know, say he was crazy or something, but who knows, maybe his dad has had some, experiences with that stuff. I really don't know. But that's what he described to me. That's incredible. I mean, hearing stories like that where people actually see the body and how big it was, I mean, for me personally, those are my favorite

because, I mean, I enjoy hearing about the people who actually saw the facial details and stuff, and those are very intriguing. For me, I love hearing the stories of when people actually saw the body and how big it was, because that's just so hard to mistake for something else. You know, the fact that he saw an arm pull itself the whole body up and it looked like an orangutan and how big it was. That's just, that's incredible.

Considering he lived up there his whole life and he's coming up. I mean, he's seen mountain line up there. Apparently, you know, some mountain lions and pumice, I don't, they say they're not supposed to be up there, but there's plenty of evidence to suggest that they are. Yeah. And he's seen quite a few of them before. in his backyard, and he's seen quite a few bear, and he's very experienced at that type of a wildlife.

So for him to say that and the, you know, kind of convey that story to me, was pretty cool and pretty wild, you know. Yeah, absolutely, because there's definitely sightings up there. You got the, well, you got the famous video online of the Carbondale White Bigfoot. There's also, there was not too long ago on Sasquatch Chronicles, there was a story. of this, I believe they were college guys. They went out looking for Bigfoot and they actually found it. And that was up in the Poconos. Yeah, and the Poconos. Yeah, so, I mean, there's...

It kind of regretted fine that, I think. Yeah, absolutely. So there's definitely accounts recently of these things being up there. So it doesn't surprise me, but it definitely intrigues me. Yeah, absolutely. It definitely intrigues me, too.

Some of the things that happen up there, you just can't pin to any one animal. It's weird, strange. Yeah, absolutely. So, okay, let's start transitioning here from Bigfoot to UFO. I know you've told me you had four different sightings of UFOs. Yeah. Start where you want, man. All right, well, first, sorry, I'm just a little nervous.

The first time I've, I used to live in the suburbs of Philadelphia. Well, I still live in a suburb of Philadelphia, but when I was younger, I used to live closer to. And it was Roe Holmes. There was this neighborhood. And back then in the summer was different, I want to say, because it was when all the kids and parents used to hang out outside and talk to each other and play outside.

Whereas nowadays, you don't see that as much. Right. But, yeah, this night was in the summer. We were all outside. Where I lived, almost every family was outside either, you know, just chilling or cooking and grilling. And as kids, there would be a bunch of us and we would run around, going to different people's houses, you know, stopping at one guy's house for a hot dog. And then running around again and going in another friend's house, getting a drink, running around again, playing capture, that type of stuff. this night was different just because

well what we saw but it was sun was going down and we lived very we lived I don't want to say very close to the airport but relatively close and we were very used to planes and helicopters coming by

extremely used to it we would always obviously look up at them we were used to that stuff but the one night or it was thorn. I want to say no yet, but not dawn, I'm sorry. Sunset.

And playing outside, and then all of a sudden one of the adults said, I wonder what that is. Everyone looked up and if you can picture this, it was a whole kind of street people. Some were standing in the middle

of the street, some were standing in the yard. We were all looking at this one thing that was chilling in the sky. I was just sitting there. was not a star, definitely was not an airplane or helicopter because it was completely silent. And what it was doing was,

it wasn't necessarily moving, but it was changing colors and it was changing shapes. And we could see it pretty clearly. It would go from a triangle to a square, to a diamond, to a circle, and then keep kind of doing that pattern. But each shape that it would change,

it would also change color. It did it for about a couple of minutes. It's hard to think about, but for me it was weird just because the adults were just as curious about it as the kids because they would be the first ones

to call it as like a plane or a helicopter, but they didn't. They were out there with everybody staring at it. Oh, I can tell you, for a few minutes, we were out there looking at it. At one point, it just shot directly up into the sky.

It was in a, you know, kind of in transition of changing a shape or color. And then all of a sudden, just went straight up into the sky until you couldn't see anyone. It was one of the fastest things I've ever seen in my life. The colors it was changing were, you know, the rainbow.

And the shapes already described, but, yeah, that was the first time we ever saw anything. And then after that, all the kids in the street were like, oh, my God, the aliens are invading. We better go prepare ourselves. So we started making bows and arrows and stuff out of the junkyard, as our imagination at the time.

But I still talk to the people that used to live there, and they still remember it very, very vividly. And he don't know what it was, you know. My dad, who's a very, you know, he's a very structured guy to this day he still doesn't know what it was so that was the first time I've seen something weird in the sky did you hear anything surrounding that or was it pretty much now is silent completely silent

there wasn't even any planes going by at the time and there was no sound associated with it it was just sitting up there for minutes changing shapes changing colors getting bigger and smaller I've tried to you know, I've tried to pinpoint something. No, yeah, no sound

at all, not at all, completely silent. Gotcha. So what was the second story? Second one was, my family was, when I was in third grade,

we moved to a different suburb in Philadelphia. The one way we were living in was kind of, it was going downhill. So my parents decided to move. I want to say, I was a junior in high school. My brother was a little younger.

Back then, we used to build mini bikes. We had mini bike frames. We'd get, like, lawnmower engines, get some tires, and just set them up and build a mini bike so we could ride around the neighborhood. We were out there. And this is one of the ones,

when I emailed Joe, I told you that I think two out of the four times that I've seen something, I think there were drones of some sort. Kind of before the drone craze hit about two or three. years ago when you started hearing about drones a lot more.

This one and another one remind me of possible drones, but I mean, I can't be certain. But we were working on a mini bike. It was at nighttime. We were outside of the garage with, we had two flashlights

shining on what we were working on. And my brother just so happened to look up. And what it was was was a red light. It was a solid red light. It wasn't blanking. And it was coming towards us from, I want to say, the west.

I was coming towards us, going towards east, towards the city. And it was a solid red light. And as I got closer, it was a clear night, too. But as it got closer, you could tell there was a shape to it. It was like a pill shape. I'd imagine like a... It was a pill shape. and say kind of cylindrical

but like a big pill kind of cruising through the sky completely silent red light on the front and then when it passed over us you could see its silhouette against the sky meaning that it was blocking out stars above us

so we could tell the shape of it but as it went past on the back of it there was a yellow light that was solid wasn't blinking just cruising and we just saw the red light followed it as it came over us and saw this yellow light on the back of it and it just passed over silently passed out of view. That was the second time we saw, or I saw something. So when you say

it was in the shape of a pill, now a lot of people suggest, or not suggest, but describe that they saw a UFO that was in the shape of a cigar. Is that kind of like a similar thing you're describing here? It would be. I'm not too sure. It's, uh, again, it was at nighttime, so we couldn't, like, tell everything. I say pill in the way, like, it was cylindrical to a degree, but the ends were rounded off. If you can imagine, like, a cylinder with kind of, like, just rounded edges on each side. It's more or less what it looked like. Going in that direction.

It's hard to describe. I'm sorry. I'm horrible describing things. No, it's fine, yeah. But that's kind of what happened there. That was weird. And then we kind of sat outside for a little bit, trying to think of what it could be.

And again, it was before the whole drone craze. So years later, is when I'm, after all the news is covering all this drone stuff and seen drones, maybe it did have wings. We're not completely sure. But it didn't make any noise. And I just could.

over as a yeah it was definitely weird so I guess the third time that something happened this is this is the one that I really can't explain but I was uh going to school at the time and I was working out of a restaurant so I'd get done school around like 11 a.m. come home sometimes I would take a nap sometimes I would study take a shower then I'd have to go work go to work I was working at a restaurant. And at this time, it's probably about one or two in the summer again. And I was

sitting on my day, I was actually reading one of my books. As I'm sitting there, I hear this humming type noise coming from somewhere. I couldn't, I was just like, I didn't know what it was. I thought it was maybe an insect or something like that. I wasn't too sure.

Something flew by like my head. Not my head. my head but like 10 feet away. And I caught a glimpse of it. And all I can say that it seemed like it was a cylinder, some type of cylinder. I didn't see any wings,

and see any mechanical structure to it whatsoever. All I can say there was a solid object and it was cruising past me at a speed that I could see, You ever see like videos of a of like an F-18 or an F-16 going through the sky and it breaks the sound barrier

and you have this whole kind of air going around the wings? Yeah. If you look it up on YouTube, you can see a perfect example of it. Whatever the thing was, it was cruising at that speed. It was able to do something like that. I might, like about 10 feet,

60 degrees from my head, past me. When I caught a glimpse of it so fast, but all I could see was the air kind of being pushed around this thing. That's incredible. It was, it was weird, man. And it was cruising so fast, it was making up noise like something ripping through air. And when I saw it, I got to watch it for maybe like three quarters of a second. and it was cruising by me.

I was watching it, and then all of a sudden it kind of just clips and banks on an angle, like a hard angle. It didn't like, it didn't swerve like a bird would or curve like a bird would. It just, it was going one way and one another, completely different angle. As fast as it was going and not stop speed,

as it was going, as it made this angle and kept going, went through a tree. And the tree, like, the branches on the tree just separated, like, psh. Like, something went through it. And I just sat there like, what? And was that? I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know what to think about it.

I kind of thought maybe it was a falcon, you know, doing like a dive bomb after prey or something. But at that speed and the angle that it changed to was, up. Like it was, it was coming down, and then it just changed angles and went straight at a different, it didn't go straight up, but it was at a different angle and went through the trees in a, you know, upward escalation and made the tree separate completely. I was like, wow, that's, I didn't really think much about it, but that was very strange to me. No, that's essentially the definition of a UFO, you know? Like, unidentified flying object, that's exactly what you saw.

Yeah, pretty much. And I remember I talked to my buddy after the fact, but two weeks before then, he always used to live down the street. And he was asking me about, he was like, have you heard anything weird at night lately? And I was like, nah, what do you mean? And it's like, I don't know, by my, every once in a while, like, something is cruising by my window going,

so fast that it makes it makes a sound like a propeller or something like just going through the air so fast. And I was like, well, it's probably you know, someone driving a car really fast down the road and he's like, no, no, no, no, it's not like that. It was something going through the air, like flying

through the air and making this weird noise. I didn't put two and two together until after I saw what I saw. And I still talked to him about it. He's like, yeah, man, I have no idea. And I was like, yeah, me neither. you know, definitely weird. Yeah, for sure. That was the third time.

The fourth time was when I recently bought, we bought our house about five years ago. And my first son was about two years old. I'm on the deck playing in the sandbox. And I just bought these new, this new pair of polarized sunglasses. And it was a clear day. It was blue out.

beautiful. My wife and I and my son were chilling, just kicking it outside, having a good time. And I just you know, I was leaning back in a chair just relaxing, looked up. And I saw these

two like, well that I can describe master two metallic spheres. Now this is the the way they operate is why I'm thinking drone of some sort. But there are two spheres about

they were so high up there that they had to be relatively large but they were not together by any means they were just sitting up there and I was like

questioning myself like can I really see this and I took my sunglasses off and looked up and I didn't see anything and I put them back on and they were there and I thought I'm like

all right This is strange. I told my wife to come over here. I was like, do you see anything up there right now? And she said no. And I was like, all right, put these on, look up there, and tell me if you see anything. And she described exactly what I saw. These two spheres sitting up there.

Now, I couldn't see them with a naked eye. But as soon as I put my polarized glasses on, I saw them. He saw them giving my glasses back. I'm sitting there looking up. And these things start to move. So one is a little ahead of the other. you know, if they were going west, one's a little more ahead of the other.

They're cruising at the same rate, same exact rate. The one ahead of them stops. And then the other one that's next to it, or, you know, behind it, catches up to it. As soon as it gets to almost right next to the thing, it stops. But now they're together.

They're not together, I'm sorry, but they're next to each other. other. They sit there for about five seconds, five, ten seconds, and then they both start cruising at the same rate, moving forward. It's moving forward. They're both

moving forward. And then the one on the left stops, and the other one goes forward about, I couldn't tell you distances at that. From where I'm looking, I can't really tell you or give you accurate distances. But it's moving forward and it's

ahead of the other one. And it stops. The one that's behind it, moves forward, stops next to the other one. Then they both kind of, the one that's on the right stays put, but the one that's on the left moves around, like if you were to move a compass, a compass and a pencil, you have it like stuck in the center, right? So the one that's on the right is the center one.

The other one moves around the other one to about 90 degrees. And then they both start cruising in a different direction. Simultaneously at the same rate, again, and they just start going. I don't know what to make of that. The only reason I'm saying drones is because they moved in a very, it seemed like a very mathematical and pattern, kind of like a human calculated pattern or something like that. I don't know.

But that was a fourth time, and that was really weird, so I just don't know what to make of that. Yeah, it's definitely. something different, especially since you couldn't see it with your naked eye. I really find that interesting. Yeah, it was only when I put my glasses. It was a, and when we put on, I, I wanted to make sure that I wasn't the only one that was seeing it. So I told my wife to put them on. Sure. She put them on, and she saw them too, but since she took the glasses off, she don't see them anymore. So, we found that to be extremely weird. Yeah, that seems like confirmation at least that you're not going crazy, you know. Exactly. And that's what I was going for. I didn't want to, I knew, you know,

I had, I know that I've seen things before. I was like, all right, all right. Let me make sure that I'm not going crazy. And I told her to put them on and she saw it too. So it's definitely weird, definitely a weird experience. You mentioned to me in the email about having something possibly in your house, I think it was. Did you want to go into that? Yeah. Yeah, sure. You don't have to if you don't want to. No. I said I would because I, you know, I like this podcast. I want to share experiences because I know, I know people about experiences too.

So, yeah, I'll share this. It's uncomfortable, but it's in the middle of the night. And every night we go to sleep, I leave a living room light on. It's a lamp down the living room. and when we leave it on, when we go to bed, we crack our door, and the light from downstairs

does come in a little bit. It's a soft lamp, but it still does provide light upstairs into the hallway. You can see it downstairs. So we're sleeping. I don't know where I wake up, and I open my eyes and I'm laying there. I'm like,

I don't understand why I woke up, but I did. I sat up and kind of just, like, you know, what you would do when you sit up in bed kind of wipe your eyes and just like figure out what, you know, the hell. And I looked over to our bedroom. They were still light coming in from downstairs. And it was something, there was something standing there. It was, uh, it was like three, what I can describe? All right, I'm going to describe as best I can. It's about three, three and a half feet tall. Again, I do have children.

one of them is a four-year-old and what I could say, he's about the same size as what I saw. From what I saw, they're four feet tall. It was gray. It looked like it had any clothes on whatsoever, which I found weird

because I assumed it was my son, but you're looking at it for three or four seconds. I realized it wasn't. It's moving. I couldn't see any legs or anything. Towards the direction of the door. you know, in my head, I'm like, geez, my God, you're having a crazy dream. Lay back down for a second and just, you know, get a grip, dude.

So I lay back down for a second and, like, take a sip of water, get back up. It's probably a five seconds to pass by. I look back over and it's still leaving the room. But this time, I saw its face. What I can describe was that it was, you know, it was that it was three, four feet tall. a big old head on it and very big eyes very

very small mouth and nose kind of like I mean if you were to compare it to the common grays if you will I guess I don't know but

what got my attention was that as it was it saw me look at it the look on its face was of worry kind of like I wasn't supposed to

see it. Its eyes looked very worried. It continued to move out of the room. So at that point, I'm starting to freak out a little bit. And I kind of just, you know, I'm like, are I really seeing this? And then I go around and grab a glass of water again for some reason. And I take another sip and I turn around.

And, you know, whatever it is is pulling, it's pulling the bedroom door shut. So I see this, I see something on the handle, slowly pulling the bedroom door shut. And the only reason I know that is because the light from downstairs is, you know, kind of depleting. If nothing's touching the door, you have a certain amount of light from downstairs coming into the room. But now the door is closing, something's pulling it shut, and the light's going away. So at that point, I'm like, okay, this is not a dream. So I get up.

and the first thing I think of is my son. I'm like, all right, it's my son. He got up. He came in a room, now he's leaving. So I run out in the hallway, go to my son's room. He's asleep. He's knocked out. Like he usually always is completely asleep in his room.

No signs of him getting up. His door was still shut. Everything. And then at that point is when I start going to like, I guess, I don't know, secure mode. I go through the whole house, looking in every crevice that I can. I don't see anything. But, yeah, that was a very, very strange experience.

I've never had any, I've never seen anything since or before that. But, yeah, that was frightening. So let me ask you a couple things here with this. I mean, this is something that is, quite frankly, incredible to me. Uh, one, when you saw this, did it have any hair anywhere, like on its head, like a human wood or anything like that? Nope. It was a completely desolate of any type of hair. All that I could tell was any detail was like wrinkles of skin, gray, grayish skin.

Okay. If it was skin, I really don't know if it was skin or not, you know. And, all right, so you checked the room. it wasn't the kid. Right. What's your reaction after that? I mean, do you go to sleep again? Do you have a hard time sleeping the following nights?

I mean, what's your sense of security after something like this happens to you? Interested in UFO phenomena. I've run a lot of books about it. Growing up, I always had night terrors, like really bad night terrors. I would wake up with my parents on top of me. like holding me down because of night terrors.

I don't know why or what calls them. I've had dreams, weird dreams before like that. However, my sense of security after the fact was I didn't go to sleep that night. It was about three in the morning when it happened and I didn't go back to sleep. And sleeping for the next week was kind of an issue. I really didn't go to sleep. I would go around checking doors and windows. to make sure they were shut and locked.

And they were like every other night. But, yeah, after the fact was tough. That was, I've ever seen anything like that or experienced anything like that. And your sense of security is shot at that point because in my mind, I'm like, okay, well, something was definitely in here. Everything is locked and shut my house.

I didn't hear anything. Rattles the hell out of you. and just a week. It took me about a week or two to actually be able to go back to sleep normally and everything like that. Yeah, I can imagine it's got to be, it was scary, man. Yeah, it was definitely scary. It was something I hope that I never see again. Yeah, absolutely.

I don't know what it was or what its motives were. but well let me ask you I know this I know after you seeing something like that in your house and everything

running through your mind I know this how to run through your mind so let me ask you on your opinion on it what are your thoughts on the idea of an alien abduction do you think that's something

that was being that happening there or or not I think it's something that's possible like I said my whole life I've

for this day I still have night to be I don't know why or I don't I'm not I didn't have anything extremely traumatic happen in my childhood that would calls me to have these things um my email that I sent you I mentioned that I've uh I've read books by dr. Carla Turner Dr. John Mack regarding the alien abduction phenomena and um it seems that a lot of the patients that these doctors had and reported these occurrences happening to them,

I seem to have the same traits. I seem to exhibit some of the same symptoms. I don't want to say symptoms, but I don't know. I talked to my one friend about it, and he mentioned why you go through, you know, the hypnotic regression. I've read a lot of about that to, and I rather, I don't think I want to at this point. Sometimes it's not a great thing to do.

But, yeah, I'm going to, since I've read a lot about it, and I'm not going to say that it's not a possibility. Yeah, I mean, that's something that I would definitely be curious about myself. And trying to find out the answers to that is scary, because when you start talking about the hypnotic stuff, I mean, that always made me nervous, too. I, I just don't know. if I'd want to be put underneath hypnosis, because I've heard of things going bad when that happens. Yeah, completely wrong, and I don't know if I want to do that, but I am, you know, I think that's a possibility, whether or not they're aliens or not. I don't know what the hell they are, but, uh... Well, I assume... I assume you talk to your wife about this, right?

Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah. My wife knows everything that I've... She, my wife is, uh, she prefers her metaphorical bubble where she likes to stay in her bubble and to live life like that. Where I'm the kind of guy that, like, I'm outside the bubble. But I know we talk about, you know, I always talk to her about all the stuff that I'm interested in and look into. And she, she listens and she, you know, she's interested in it as well, but she prefers her bubble, which I can't blame her.

It's safe in the bubble at times. So I don't press it on her. But yeah, I talked to her about that. She's never experienced anything like that or has seen anything. She has had experiences that she's talked to me about before, really just kind of hearing things go bump in the night once in a while and stuff like that.

But, yeah, no, I've definitely talked to her about it. She believes me. She's not going to say I'm lying or I'm crazy. But I think I said, she prefers her, she prefers to stay within her bubble. I cannot blame her. Yeah, I can't either. Yeah. Well, that's some amazing stuff, man.

Really, I think to this day, if that happened to me, you know, like you said, you're always checking to see if the windows were locked. When you said that about checking the windows, now I'm thinking of my head, should I start checking the windows in my house? Because I know, like, on the second floor, you know, sometimes you forget about it and you don't worry about it because it's the second floor. I don't know. Maybe I need to start checking my windows too. Well, considering all my windows and doors were locked, I don't think windows and doors mean a lot to whatever they are. Yeah, that's a good point.

Yeah. Fortunately. Yeah. Well, let's move on here to your last. thing here that you wanted to share with us. Now we talked about Bigfoot. We talked about UFO. And those things that we talked about were things that were involuntary, things that you weren't expecting and it just happened. What we're going to talk about now is something that you intentionally tried doing and succeeded. Let's talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. So at one point in my life,

I started getting into the occult a lot. A lot of people, when you bring up the, when you say the occult, they assume, you know, Satanism or devil worshiping, that's not really the occult. Ecult is just kind of the unknown wisdom or knowledge of the unknown, if you will. And I acquired this book through a friend. and if you're not familiar with such a weird subject, but the offended masters,

these individuals who are supposed to be once, they lived at one time, but mastered physical reality, and were able to transcend physical reality and manipulate it and control it to their will. I didn't think too much into it, you know, but I was very interested in. because I'm interested in all this.

I acquired this book, and the book, it's, the first part of it is like heavy meditation. It teaches you how to meditate, which really did work for me. It calmed me down. It enabled me to focus a lot. And just to really relax when I was stressed out.

And after you meditation type part of it, it gives you instructions on how to do certain things if you want to. and after those was astral projection, which is more or less consciously leaving your body, knowing that you have left your body and able to control yourself in, I guess, some kind of astral or spiritual form. One day, after school was in the middle of summer, during the day, a great day, I was in my bedroom, school, life in general was stressing me out. So I decided to do, you know, meditate. And I was interested in the astral projection thing.

I've had dreams before that were extremely vivid and even lucid dreams where I've been able to realize I was dreaming and actually start controlling that dream. Pretty amazing stuff. You can actually train your mind to do that. It's one day when I was stressed. I decided to meditate. So I opened all the windows in my room. It was about, it was, when I started this, it was 12, 13 in the afternoon, PM.

I went into this kind of meditative, yeah, I started meditating, but then there was other instructions on how to perform this astral projection type thing. Start the meditation, close my eyes, I'm sitting all my bed in this, in this meditation, you know, the typical meditation where you're sitting cross-legged, your elbows, or maybe all your your knees or you're holding them up with your, you know, the typical meditative. Sure. Shitting posture. And I'm just going to tell this on how I experienced it. But a few minutes go by, it was 12.13 when I started, I remember the clock. A few minutes go by.

For some reason, I want to get up. I get up out of my bed and start walking toward my bedroom door. Something is telling me to look at the wall in my room. the time I had, are you familiar with Guar, G-W-A-R, the band? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I had this Guar poster on my wall, and something was drawing me towards it for some reason. So I get up, I go to open my door,

and for some reason I stop, and something's pulling me towards the door, or towards this poster, excuse me. So I'm like, huh, that's weird. So I started walking towards right next to the poster on the wall. I see, from when I can, it's just like the wall, something's wrong with the wall. I'm like, what's going on? So go to touch the wall.

And as I touch it, I'm using my pointer finger. My finger starts going through the wall. Then there's a sense of me falling. So I'm like, my finger and then my hand and some of my arm is passing through my wall. And as it's passing, I'm falling. So my body's kind of shifting to the left. And I'm like, dude, what?

And at this time, my mind's racing. And as I'm twisting, my body's twisting and I'm falling. I turn my head and I see myself sitting on my bed. It's me. I'm sitting right there. at this point like my forearm is in my wall

my body's turning my head is looking at myself sitting on my bed as soon as I realize what I'm looking at it felt like a vacuum just like completely as quick as I can think

a vacuum just sucked me right back into my head I get and I'm sitting on my bed As soon as I realize what's happening I get up and I take a giant breath Like oh my God, what the hell? Like what just happened? I cannot believe. I'm just out of my mind crazy right now

Not knowing what just happened I'm like sweating Trying to figure out what happened And then I look at the clock And it's 1250 So about 40 minutes went by It was like three or four minutes, but at least 30 to 35 minutes went by. I have no recollection of what, but what was happening.

It just, it was the craziest thing I've ever experienced my life. Yeah. Not only because it happened, because I was, I was trying to make it happen. And it worked, but I was, I guess I was unknowing of it at the time. so yeah man it was crazy let me ask you when you went back into your body do you think that's because you became stressed like because i know meditating i don't do meditating i've never even tried but from my understanding like put you in that relaxed state like you mentioned do you think by seeing your body your your consciousness was like holy crap and you stressed out and that's kind

of like what kicked you back into gear yeah i don't think think I was ready for it. I don't think I was a yes exactly I think I realized at that point it was like a realization of what was going on and the fear and maybe the fear or stress of all that just knocked me right back into my body or suck me back in if you will but it was uh I don't think I was ready for it and then ever since then I have taken that book and I have like put it in a bag and put it in like a separate part of my other books. It's a way. I haven't read it since.

And it's just very, very, it was very, very crazy experience that I had, that I had. And I would assume it was probably stress related. Yeah, like, I just wasn't ready for that. But I thought I was. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if anybody is really ready for something like that, especially the first time around. I mean, I can imagine, you know,

even if somebody's, like, interested in doing something like that and they're trying and trying and trying to actually do it, I think the first time you do something to that, it probably would catch you so off guard because you're just, like, holy crap, I actually did that? Like, this is real? Holy cow. Yeah, it definitely called me off guard. And I, like you said, I think that's probably the reason why

I got sucked right back in. I wasn't, I wasn't ready to try to control that. But, you know, I did it. That's all I can, that's one thing that I can honestly say that I, it definitely happened. It was a very strange and very weird experience. Yeah, that's, yeah. In fact, you're the first person I've ever talked to that actually has experienced that.

I've heard of stories and stuff, but I've never actually talked to somebody who, actually experience that. That's just incredible. It was, yeah. I mean, the book has all these other chapters about doing other stuff. And I was like, ah, now I'm good. You know what? I'm just going to put this book away from now and relax on this stuff. Yeah. That was strange.

Yeah, it would scare me a little bit, too. Yeah. All right. So let me ask you this question here. Now, we've covered the gamut here. And you've had so many experiences throughout your life that I can imagine your sense of reality is far different than most people. What one thing, whether it was the creature, I'll just call it a creature, in your bedroom, or the out-of-body experience, or the UFOs, like, what one thing do you think really helped or maybe influenced your actual thought on reality and what reality is? Like, what

experience really just kind of kicked you into gear and was like, whoa, there's something more to this life than what they're telling us on the surface here? I have to say it was probably the first UFO experience. That was kind of when, after that, as when at that age, I was about six or seven. So after that, it was when I started looking into it all. I would go to school. And even at that time, in elementary and middle. school, or I was in elementary school at the time in the library, they had, I still remember,

there were hardbacked scholastic books. One was Bigfoot, one was UFOs aliens, one was ghosts and spirits. And I think that was a three that they had. Ever since then, is when I started looking into all this stuff. It kind of triggered me. And that's when I just started, everything I have read since then was and everything I still read to this day is about that stuff is about that type of subject matter um yeah I mean that's when it started and it's never ended to that way yeah no I I think that's a great answer because you know if I saw something like that with a bunch of other people when I was that age it would kind of like changed my course there too because it's not like you were just a kid

and you were alone, you saw something, you're like, oh, did I really see that? Can I even tell anybody about it? Like, there was lots of other people that saw this. So you know right there, this is real. Other people have seen it. And I need to look into it more. I mean, so I can imagine it really kind of shaped your reality there. It did.

And it has a lot to do with just, I guess, how I am today, what I read today and what I research. And, I mean, I, gee, I have, like, a whole lot. library about that stuff, small library regarding all the subject matter. And I find it extremely interesting. I also find it extremely frightening.

But I think it's something that's, you know, the terms paranormal and supernatural they bother me just because I really don't think, I think that these things are far more natural and normal to this world than we then the majority thinks it is.

If you look back, I mean, you can go back in history and see that these things have occurred to all different types of people, whether it be religious texts or like just journal entries from famous people having these experiences, it's pretty obvious that whatever, you know, whatever phenomenon may be has been around for a very long time, I think it's far more normal to this world than maybe we are, in a sense,

could probably benefit from learning about it more rather than pushing it aside and saying that it's crazy. But, yeah, it's just, I mean, it is crazy stuff. Absolutely. But I think it's far more normal to this world than we give a credit for. Yeah, Chris, I couldn't agree with you more.

I mean, it doesn't matter what your opinion is as to what these things are that people are experiencing. The fact of the matter is, if people are experiencing these things, we should put time into trying to learn about them. And I think that's incredibly important. And that's, you know, one of the goals of this show is to educate people on these topics that it's actually real. These things actually happen to real people. And it's okay to talk about it. So, yeah. And that's a very, your podcast is your show and, you know, the other shows that are out there are, they're becoming more and more of a, of like, reference for people.

And I think that, you know, you should keep going with what you're doing. I think more and more people are going to come forward and start talking about their thing. It was kind of, it was tricky for me to come and talk about this stuff, because I never really talked about a lot of it before, but after listening to a lot of different people talk about their experiences, I felt, you know, I should share mine as well. Yeah, and I really appreciate it, man. Chris, I really appreciate coming on the show and sharing all pretty much your life experience

with these kind of things. on the way out of here, is there any kind of words of advice or anything you'd like to share with the audience before we get out? Pay attention to everything. And even though you think things might be crazy or they're really not. And there's a lot of other people out there that I've probably shared the same experiences that you've had. And it really helps talking about them.

And I think the more people talk about them, well, it'll make you feel better. But it'll also, you'll learn more about everything. All that, all of the weird and strange things that are out there that we consider weird and strange may not be as weird and strange as you may think. And I think there's a lot of other people out there that I've shared or that have experienced the same thing. So please talk about it. I think it's a good thing. Yeah, absolutely. Well, Chris, I really appreciate coming on tonight.

and I look forward to getting this show up to the audience. Thanks for sharing, man. No problem. Thank you, Tully. You got it, man. I'll talk to you later. Well, I really hope you enjoyed that interview. I certainly did, and I hope you gained something from it. You know, my favorite part about it was when Chris was talking about the gray in his bedroom. I mean, absolutely not. No way, no how.

I wouldn't be sleeping for months. And when I did sleep, my wife would have to be awake. And when she's sleeping, I'd have to be awake. We'd be on sleep schedules for the rest of our lives. So, Chris, thanks so much for coming on the show and sharing what you know. Everybody, please go to Facebook and Twitter and just give us a like and a follow. You know, that really helps a lot. You guys are doing a great job sharing the show on social media.

Keep up the great work. And you can actually find me personally on Twitter and Instagram as well. That is Tony underscore Merkel. That's where you can find me. Tony underscore Merkel. I hope to see you there. But until then, take care. Yeah, this one right here goes out to all the babies, mamas, mamas.

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