The Confessionals - RELOADED | 14: Followed By a UFO and Other Eerie Experiences

Episode Date: April 18, 2022

Episode 14 features one family’s eerie experiences: Steve shares his own encounters with the paranormal, and describes some strange UFO interactions experienced by both of his parents.Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/join SPONSORSGET Surfshark: surfshark.deals/confessionals GET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tony GET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionals GET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!! Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.com Get Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5 CONNECT WITH US Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter SOCIAL MEDIA Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaI TikTok: @theconfessionals Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7h Show Instagram: theconfessionalspodcast Tony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficial Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcas Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel

Merkel? I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me that you built a time machine? Out of the Dolorian? Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves. Time travel is possible.

Okay, I reload it. Wow, well, it's just another lonely to sacrifice your life. They're staying in the shadows. It's called proleting. For the rest of the rest of the rest. You guys hear that? Okay, tonight we have a great guest coming on with us.

Steve from Wisconsin, he emailed me a few weeks ago, and I believe Steve, you're in my Facebook group as well, right? Yes, I am. That's what I thought, because when you contacted me, I believe you said that in the email, and so I went and looked you up and I remember adding you to the group and all that stuff. So it was pretty cool to hear one of my, I'd like to call them the OGs, the original gangsters, you know, the people that, you know, I started doing all this kind of stuff with, which is really cool to hear from you.

You sent me an email with a lot of information. And you said in the beginning of the email, you said that you had to write this stuff down anyway, so you were going to write it down there. And you sent me all that information. And at the end of the email, you said, if you're, you're saying, if you're, you're saying, you're still reading. I found that so funny, man, because I was like, well, it is a long one. I think I even told you it was like a novel. But it was great. It was great to read through. And I believe I used the assistance of Siri. Yeah, how did she do? She did good. I had to speed her up because

she was going a little slow. But once I sped her up a little bit, she knocked it out. And it was good for me to multitask that way. But yeah, man, those experiences that you told me about were pretty cool. And I definitely wanted to have you on the show. So basically, I guess what we're going to do tonight is we'll just start off with you telling your paranormal experiences, and then we'll walk into the UFO experiences as well, if that works for you. Yeah. Yeah, I guess since I have been a kid, like, I've always really been interested in paranormal stuff. probably when I was younger it wasn't so much of a interest like like a fun interest it was more like I was a little scared of stuff

I think most kids are but yeah the first my first memory of anything kind of weird was when I was probably somewhere in the range of like four to seven years old somewhere It was in the first house that I remember living in. And when we had, it was me and my sister slept upstairs in the two bedrooms upstairs. And in the hallway there was like that old 80s shade carpeting. And I was in the bedroom at the end of the hall. And in the night, and I think it was like at times I would wake up, because this happened more than one time,

but at times I would wake up in the middle of the night, and as I was laying there kind of trying to go back to sleep, I would hear footsteps in the hallway. And since it's carpeting, it's not really footsteps like clunking footsteps. It was like if somebody was dragging their feet. And I would just kind of lay there and listen. And it sounded like it was farther down the hall coming towards my, room like it was getting louder and then um yeah i would just lay there and wait like kind of hold my

breath and like like listen to it and then it would stop eventually like i would have my head covered up with the blankets and um i never like it was never my my sister she was in the room down the down the hall but um the times that i would hear her go to the bathroom like it was it was definitely distinct from what I was hearing, like this footsteps. So, you know, I can't explain it. I don't know what it was, but yeah, that was kind of the first thing I remember. Well, let me ask you about the footsteps. Did she, now you said your sister made different sound footsteps. Could have been possibly any parents or anything like that? And that question aside, you said that the footsteps sounded almost as if they were stepping on the shag carpet, right?

Yeah, like kind of dragging their feet. Like, well, just like when you walk down a hallway with shade carpeting, like, it's shade carpeting, so you're bound to kind of scuff your feet against it as you're walking. So it just kind of made that sound. And, yeah, my parents, I think when I got a little older, I think I think I did. did tell my mom about it and she kind of her eyes got kind of big and was like um like i you know i don't think that would have been us like they if they would have come upstairs it would have been for a reason because their their bedroom was downstairs so um yeah it was

kind of unexplainable i don't know what it was but i i just know it did it did scare me you know And so I, you know, I'm a spiritual person. Like I believe that, I believe that there's another dimension out there. And, yeah, I just kind of, as I got older, you know, I just kind of chalked it up to being something trying to scare me, something not necessarily of this world, you know? Yeah, absolutely. That's, yeah, I would be scared too as a kid when you hear a footst down. and you do the process of elimination and you know who's in the house and you know what they sound like when they're moving around the house. I think that would scare any kid. And I, you know, I find it funny

because a lot of times these kind of things happen to kids. And, you know, it's just, it kind of gets frustrating because it makes you feel like kids are easy targets. Yeah, it's kind of maddening because it's like, man, leave the poor kids alone. But yeah, I totally agree. Like, I think, I think especially kids and then even some people just continuously through their life are just more aware and more sensitive to those things and yeah I don't know so what was the next thing that happened um the next the next thing kind of chronologically that I can remember um and uh yeah um so when I was probably in my late teens probably like 18 or 19, before I was old enough to go to the bars.

I would go to a 24-hour restaurant and just hang out with some friends, and we would smoke cigarettes and drink coffee until the wee hours in the morning. And some of the guys that I met there, there was one guy that was, he was like a host, and another guy was a cook there, and they were friends from working together, and they ended up getting an apartment together. So one night I was hanging out, talking to them, and they were telling me about their new apartment, and the one guy was like, man, I think there's something on the blinds I found.

He was like, I think it's blood. I'm like, what are you talking about? He's like, no, I think there's, there's like, it looks like something splattered on it, like, and it totally looks like blood. So I was very intrigued and disturbed at the same time. And I was like, well, mind if I come over and check it out? This sounds crazy. So I went over there one day.

And when I went in the room, he was kind of telling me about the room and showing me different stuff. And sure enough, there was on the blinds on the window. he closed them and there's like it looked like spray and it was like that dark red kind of rusty color and it was like a thin liquid you know like it really did look like dried blood and the thing that was strange about it was um on the floor in front of the window there was a wooden floor and there was like the spot where there were indentations in the floor from what looked like if you were to take those old like I think probably 70s 80s kitchen chairs that were made out of like metal tubing and if you had one of those that didn't have any feet on it like any of the rubber stop or feed on them it would it would have just been the pipe the tubing and it looked like somebody had taken a chair like that and just picked it up and slammed it into the floor like multiple times. And it was kind of in that one spot right in front of that window.

And then he was like, hey, and look up there. And I look up at the ceiling. And there's a hole in the ceiling. And I'm a gun guy. So I know what. And I'll be honest, man, it looked like like a 9 millimeter or maybe a 45. bullet hole size hole in the ceiling. And I just remember after seeing all that stuff, I'm like, man, maybe you should get a police

officer to look at this stuff because this is pretty crazy. So considering all that, he then proceeded to tell me how the, I think it was one of the first times he was, he slept in the room. He got home from work. He worked the night. He worked at real late at night. and he comes in in the morning and because it was like the first time, it must have been the first time he slept there because he said he came in

and the light was on and he turned the light off and went over and lowered the blinds. And this is actually how he discovered the blood on the blinds was he, they didn't see it when they moved in because the blinds were pulled all the way up in that room. well he lowered the blinds and then he fell asleep and he said he woke up he was having a dream that he was being choked and when he woke up he said it felt like somebody was like something was on his chest and like hands were around his neck choking him and so he was he like couldn't breathe and he was he was panicking and he finally got up the energy or whatever, you know, like the power to sit up and he sat up and he said the feeling went away. But he, you know, it took him a while to catch his breath. He was like coughing and he went into the bathroom and he looked in the mirror and there was red marks on his neck and there was nobody else in the apartment. His roommate wasn't even there. And then when he went

back into the room, that's when he flipped the light on with the blinds down and he saw that blood on the blinds and he was just like he like ran out of there like freaked him out so bad because he's like he just had this crazy experience and then on top of it like he stood there and he looked at that

the blinds for a minute and the longer he looked the more he kind of realized it looked like blood and it just scared the living daylights on him so that would scare me that's for sure I mean did he ever contact the police

you know after knowing those guys, it was kind of one of those passing friendships. I don't know if they ever did get someone to go in there and look at it. But one thing I do know about that was they said the guy's name who lived there before they did. And I knew the guy. He actually went to my high school and, you know, not too stereotype or anything. But he was like a metalhead kind of guy with like the long black. hair and wore like Slayer t-shirts and stuff, which is fine, but he was also like a really

like angry and violent person. And those guys actually knew him too. And they, they said they knew for a fact that he was like, he claimed to be a Satan worshipper. So I'm like, all that together, I'm like, this might be a crime scene. Maybe we shouldn't even be here. Yeah. I wonder if the landlord even knew about it. I mean, with the blinds pulled up, if the landlord was just in a hurry to get somebody else in there, may never even pull the blinds down.

Right. That'd be my guess. Because it was definitely enough that it was like a mess. You know, it wasn't just like, oh, there's a couple specs there. Like, maybe that's what? I don't know. But no, it was like, it was like

you see in movies, like when a gunshot goes off and it's like you know, like, praise the or whatever, it was definitely a splatter. But, you know, was it blood? I don't know. It just really looked like it. Yeah. Before we move into the security guard friend that you had,

was there any other experiences that they had in that apartment that were on the paranormal level? Like he woke up with marks around his neck. Did that ever happen again? Not that, but one night, when I was there with the other roommate who did not have that happen to him, I was hanging out with them. We were just watching, I think we were watching, like, either some animated music videos

or like anime or something that he had, and we were just hanging out, talking. And the other roommate, he was at work, and we were sitting there, and it was the second story of a house. So when you walk into the front doors And the front doors are like two They were too big like heavy French doors But only one of them would open you know For coming and going

And you'd walk open that door And right in front of you was like this The stairway going straight up to the upstairs apartment And it was like an extra wide stairway too I remember it was like It was really unusual It wasn't like a normal

a typical house that you would think of as being converted for upper and lower living. It was almost like built that way to be a duplex, but it was older. It was definitely an older house. And so we were sitting there and we hear the door downstairs shut. So like somebody came in and shut the door. We heard the door closed and then we heard the footsteps of someone coming upstairs. and we were sitting there kind of waiting for the door to open and he was like, oh, that's weird.

I wonder why, I think his name was Nate. It's like, I wonder why Nate's home. And we kind of sat there for a few seconds and nothing happened. So we kind of looked at each other and he was like, uh, hello? And waited a second. He's like, Nate, is that you? So when there was no answer, we both got up and we walked to the door and he opened the door.

Like, flipped the light wasn't even on, which was also kind of weird. But he flipped the light on and opened the door and there was nothing there. And we never heard footsteps go back down. We never heard the door like open and close again. We distinctly heard the door close. Footsteps come up to the top of the stairs. And then that was it. we went and looked and nothing was there.

So we were both like, oh man, that is not normal. Yeah. It was a little chilling. Now, did you guys talk about that? What was his thoughts on it? Did he think it was a ghost? Yeah, he was definitely like open to that type of idea, especially considering, I think both of them had come to accept the fact that there was something going on there.

like between Nate getting his, you know, being choked and just, I think maybe some other stuff. Like I think, I want to say they heard some other noises and stuff at times. So, yeah, it was definitely one of those situations where nobody was really in denial about it, you know, and it was pretty certain that weird stuff was happening there. Yeah, I imagine. I mean, when you start pointing two and two together, you just kind of accept it. Do you know if they stayed there very long? I don't think so.

I think it wasn't too much longer after that, and the one guy joined, I think he joined the Navy or something, and so then they both moved out. I think, and I think that was only like literally a few months. after they moved into it. So, yeah, they weren't there very long. Gotcha. I hope they warned the next people. Probably not, but...

Talk to us about your security friend. Yeah, okay. So then, you know, probably, I mean, I was around that time. I knew that that was my friend, Triss. He's a very close friend of mine, still is. And he worked for a security company. and he would get assigned to different places. One of the places was an old mall that was no longer being used as a mall,

but there were some places that were like office spaces. So I would go, he always got put on third shift. So I would go, I worked second shift. So when I was done, I would just go hang out with him. And we would just explore this empty mall and just goof around and kind of be crazy in there. And after he was done there, he actually got assigned to a hospital that was also abandoned. But this, there was like nothing going on there. It was just kind of sitting there waiting for, I think they ended up converting it into like retirement assisted living type places.

because they built a big brand new hospital. So they went in and gutted the old hospital. It looked like they pretty much took everything that could be used out of there. And then there was still a bunch of stuff left there, but they took most of it. And then I think there must have been a crew that went through and removed any asbestos, like, tiles and stuff like that. Because there was a lot of, like, sealing stuff that was ripped up. But yeah, I would go there and it was just him by himself. There was like this little guard shack where he had, we call it the guard check,

but it was like a room right off the main entrance that had, it was all windows. And then there was a wall of like TV monitors for the cameras. And he would just sit in there. And so I went in there and we would just go explore the lights in the place. I mean, if you wanted to, like, we really should have taken that opportunity to, like, do some kind of a movie or something because it was, like, the perfect, like, zombie apocalypse set. Because, you know, how kind of trashed it was.

And the lights that did work were, like, half of the lights didn't work. And half the lights that actually did work would, like, flicker. So it was definitely like the atmosphere you would need for getting creeped out. But yeah, I remember the first time something weird happened there. Him and I were just kind of exploring. We went down, he told me he found the morgue. So we went down into the basement of the hospital. And I don't know, have you ever watched like Irback stuff on YouTube, urban exploration? I haven't. All right.

People go find abandoned buildings and kind of explore them. Right. Yeah. Anyway, I've seen some of those videos, and it reminds me of this. But, yeah, we were down in the basement, and we checked out where the morgue was. And then we, it was kind of like two, like two wings to the basement. Like if you walk down the stairs down, the main stairs down there, you would walk down this corridor that kind of went on a it was kind of inclined down and then when you get to the bottom you'd look left or right and there'd be like a hallway both directions that just super long hallway and then kind of rooms off of those and so we walked down to one end and we were just kind of looking around in some of the rooms down there and we turned around and we were heading back to go back upstairs and we got about halfway and I would say

that from where that hallway was where you could look down either way, where we had to get back to down to the end of the hall either direction was probably like 100 yards. Like it was, they were a long hallway. So we're about halfway back. And from behind where we just were, and there was nobody else in there, it's in the basement. There's no drafts. you know there's no like wind moving through there all of a sudden we hear one of the huge heavy metal doors to one of the rooms back behind where we just were slammed like insanely

loud and uh my my brave uh security guard friend he just took off running like full speed like I almost feel like he was running before he even slammed that's how he jumped into action. But he took off running and, you know, it definitely made me jump. But, you know, I guess part of my background is that, you know, I am a Christian and I just feel like when it comes to this kind of stuff, I tend, as opposed to kind of tending towards it being like a disembodied spirit or whatever from a person who died there. I look at a lot of that stuff as like a little, like definitely spiritual, but more from the demonic realm. And I think it's just there was something.

And I guess the reason I say that is because my experience at that moment was like an instant sense of peace because I know who I belong to. And I just like, I just like. I just started laughing. And he, my friend Chris, he turns around and he looks back at me. You know, he's about 20 yards down the hall from me. He turns around and looks because I'm laughing. He's like, dude, why are you laughing?

And I'm like, man, it's fine. It's not going to hurt us. It's okay. Like, you're, it's okay. We don't have to. So anyway, it was just, it was funny. But at the same time, it was disturbing. because, I mean, I don't have an explanation for it other than something other, you know,

something else was down there messing with us. So we kind of talked about it a little bit. We went back upstairs and that was kind of it. And then, let's see, I think the next thing that happened was when he was by himself. He told me about it later. he was there by himself sitting in his little guard cage. And just down the hall from their security office, they had another room set up with a table that had like a coffee maker

and like hot cocoa and a bunch of other stuff. And he said he got up and walked down there. And when he walked into the room, he said he went over, And he, just as he went to pick up one of the cups, like he picked up, they were cyrofoam cups, he picked up a cup. And he said, instantly he felt like the room dropped like 20 degrees. Like your classic, you know, your classic story of a haunted. The room temperature dropped like 20 degrees. And he said he was kind of, it was weird, but it didn't like, he did, but he definitely felt strange.

went to, oh, I'm sorry, at that point then he had the cup in his hand and he said he felt as if something pushed against, like the cup was pushing into his hand. And he, so he opened his hand to drop the cup and the cup stayed in his hand. And it was like, if you can imagine the force of if somebody put their hand down in the cup and like pushed with their fingers against his. his hand. He said his hand actually moved like a few inches to the side from the pressure that was being pushed against it. And it scared him so bad. Like he just shook his hand and the cup finally fell. And he ran back to the security office and just locked himself in there. And he didn't do any of the rounds that he's supposed to do that night. He just like, he was like, I'm not even sure I'm going to be able to come back here the next time I have to.

work. I'm like, dude, are you sure it wasn't? So I played, you know, skeptic and I was like, sure it wasn't just like, because, you know, styrofoam cups static, maybe it was like a little static was keeping the cup on his hand. He's like, dude, I know what static is. And he's like, this was not static.

It was something was pushing that cup into my hand. And, you know, I don't know. I believe him, though. he, when he, even when he was telling it, he was like, I could tell he was like getting shook up just thinking about it. Because he like, after he was done, he was like, ugh, like kind of shivered and it was like, oh, I hate, I hate thinking about it, you know? Yeah. So. I think if it was me, I probably wouldn't go back there to work.

But I mean, I just don't like being messed with this period. If you're messing with me, I'd rather just, I'd rather find a new place to work. So. I know, man. And, you know, I got to give him credit because he, as scared as he was always about that stuff. And, like, whenever I was there, we had talked about stuff and he'd be like, he kind of joked about being, like, the wimpyest security guard in the world. He's like, dude, if anything ever serious went down, he's like, what do I have? He's like, I've got a flashlight and some keys.

He's like, I'm just going to throw my keys at whatever. and run. Like, that's about all I can do. So, all right, that was with your security guard friend at the, I believe it was an old hospital, right? Yep. Okay, so what happened with the UFOs? Yeah, with the, let's see. I guess the first thing I could tell you about my dad, he actually had,

a few different interesting like the first one is from back when he was in the Navy he was stationed in or he wasn't stationed but he was on shore leave and I believe it was San Diego and him and one of his buddies and this was back in

I would say the early 70s like it was during like he was in the he was served on a nuclear submarine, and it was during, like, towards the end of Vietnam. And so it was probably very early 70s, if not late 60s. And him and one of his friends, they were out at a bar hanging out, and some of the locals were talking about something, and I guess it caught my dad's interest in that.

So they were telling this story about this place somewhere not too far out of the city, but kind of out in the mountains. There's like a canyon out there. And there was an a-frame house in this canyon where these people lived who would come into town like every once a month or so. And I guess these people hadn't come into town for a while. And so they sent an officer out there to check on them. And when he didn't come back, they sent like a larger force of people out there. And I guess what was found was the A-frame house was like torn apart.

And there was no sign of anybody there. Like the family and the cop that was sent out there was gone. but they did find some rather large footprints and the officer's gun was on the ground and there was a footprint over the gun and the gun was actually bent and remember this is just a story that they heard so but I was like that's cool

it's kind of like a big foot story sounds like to me yeah yeah so my dad and his friend were like curious so they found out where this canyon was. And one evening, one afternoon, they decided to drive out there. And so they got in their rental car and they drove out there. And he said there was basically like a canyon where you're kind of driving.

The road lined one side of the canyon. And it was like not up at the top of the ridge on the one side, but kind of halfway down or like, you know, down a little bit. There was still some canyon that went up on the one side where the road was. But they got to the spot where they could kind of pull off and they saw like the old wreckage of this or the ruins of this house that was down there. So they actually found this location. And they were just kind of hanging out.

And my dad said like the sun had gone down. Like it was just when the sun was going down when they got there. So they got out of the car and they were just kind of sitting on the car hanging out. And it was getting, it was pretty much dark then. And I was, you know, I asked him when he told me. I was like, so be honest with me, were you guys drinking or, you know, doing any drugs or anything? And he said they hadn't done, they hadn't been drinking or doing any drugs like heat, but they did have a six-pack.

And they had both just cracked open the first beer. and they were sitting there and all of a sudden on the one side of the canyon up above the ridge they saw a light and they were both kind of it was it kind of just appeared out of nowhere like all of a sudden there was this light and they were like huh that's weird is that is that like a you know they were trying to figure out if it was like a star or the movie they're like not too big to be a star. And it was, they ruled it out being the moon and whatever,

but they're kind of looking at it. And my dad said, like, it was almost as if, like, once they noticed it and we're looking at it, that's when it started to move. So it actually started going down the side of the canyon. So it was going, it started descending down that side.

And they're sitting there kind of watching this, and they're trying to, at this point, they're getting really confused because, you know, they couldn't hear anything. They were, like, trying to figure out, like, is it a helicopter or, you know, like, what is that? So they couldn't hear any noise, and it's just kind of going steady speed down the side of this canyon. And it did, he said it did kind of move side to side and a little bit, but he said it. he described it as if like if you had a headlight pointed directly at you. Like that was kind of what it looked like. And he said it continually looked like that. Like it never looked like it pointed in a different direction.

It just stayed consistent the whole way down. And then it kind of weaved through. There's like rocks and trees and stuff. He's like, so there's no way it was a helicopter because helicopters would crash. like if they attempted insane maneuvers like that. But it's coming down as it got to the bottom, you know, they started to get kind of nervous about it because they're like, what is this?

And it was heading, it started heading, it was like basically going right for them. So they, as it got to the bottom and it kind of like disappeared, like they couldn't see it anymore, but they could tell it was still coming towards them, like over the edge where they could see. They couldn't have disappeared. So they decided to book it out of there.

So they jumped in the car and took off as fast as, I think he said it was like kind of a junky little Toyota or something. And so they floored it and, you know, wasn't that impressed with how fast it went. He wished it would have got a little faster. So they took off and, you know, they got just a little bit down the road. And they were, you know, looking behind the car,

and this thing came up onto the road, still like it was pointing at them, and it chased behind them like it was following them. And it almost, it was like coming and my dad was like freaking out. And just before it would have like got to them, he said it went up and over and like out of sight like up the rest of the way on that side of the canyon. and that's his story. Did he ever say that he saw any kind of physical object other than the light? Nope, it was just the light.

Yep. Wow. That reminds me of a story that I heard. I think it was episode two. I believe Roger, when he was looking with his buddy, it was nighttime, and they saw a light. And I think he said once they acknowledged the light, it seemed like it knew they saw it. And it actually came towards them. And he actually saw it up close, like very up close.

And it's incredible stuff, man. Yeah. You know, people describe these things as disks or triangles. I had a guy on the show who described it the size of a football stadium. I mean, that's incredible. So these things are very. you know, unidentified, you know? Yeah, in many ways.

And they vary so much, you know, from one story of the next. But yet there is consistency. That's the crazy thing. It's like you have stories about the triangle ones, and there's tons of stories about those. And then there's also a lot of stories that are very similar to what my dad saw. And so, you know, are they all related? I don't know.

I tend to think so. but, you know, they're unidentified. Yeah. Now, did your dad ever tell you any more information about that first story that got him out there? Because I'm curious, did they ever find the police officer? I mean... No, you know, that's kind of all he remembers of the story. And I told him, I was like, you know, what would be cool is to try to, like, figure out, you know,

and he doesn't even remember, like, the name of the canyon or anything because I was, like, that'd be cool to go back to like that year and maybe try to find like a newspaper article or something about this story that they were talking about. But yeah, no, there was, that was pretty much all the information he had was just kind of that secondhand story about the details that he did get. Wow. That must be scary. It must be scary when you're getting pretty much chased by some of these things.

Yeah, man It gives me chills And I just I love when he tells the story Just because it's like You just Almost hurt your brain Trying to figure out

What it could have been And there's just no explanation You know Yeah So I think you had one more story right One more UFO story Yep For my

Actually my dad saw a couple more Which You know I don't You know He doesn't go out looking for this stuff. He just happened to be at work on two separate occasions. He saw one where he was, he worked at a printing company, and they would go out on this fire escape.

That was pretty high up, so you can kind of see over the city. You know, there was kind of like a good view up there, and they would go get some fresh air out there. And he was standing out there, and he saw kind of in the direction of the lake. This was. was in, I lived in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, so this was over Lake Winnebago, and he saw

a light in the sky that was very bright, and it's, he said all of a sudden, it just dropped straight down, like it just went straight down.

And he was very confused by that it's like I don't know what that was but that was like kind of a bright whiteish light and then on a separate occasion he was standing out there again and he actually saw what I think a lot of people kind of refer to as the

orbs where and this sounds actually very similar to the one that I saw that I'll tell you about but um he said he watched over from one direction and he could he named the street where it came from but he said all of a corner of his eye he saw

something he looked and it was like a ball he said it was like a glowing like greenish blue ball that was traveling like down the street above the ground down the street and it went down

and it went between a couple of buildings and then it disappeared and he's like it just moved at a steady, kind of a, you know, not slow, but not fast, you know, just a steady pace and just kind of disappeared. And again, he's kind of just left scratch in his head. So there was that. And my mom has seen a couple. She's had a couple different experiences. I guess the, I'll just tell you, the biggest one was one night she was at my sister's apartment. I think it was,

2000, it was an earlier mid-2000s. And she was at her apartment, and it had just, I think it was like just after sunset. And she was leaving her apartment. It was in February, I believe. So it was winter. And she walked out to her car. And her car was, like she had to walk south to her car. And in the west, to her right,

she kind of saw like light. So she looked up and she saw, I think she said it was five lights in a row that were like in the sky. And she said that it just seemed strange. So she kind of stopped and looked. And she was kind of trying to figure out, well, what is that?

You know? And so she's looking at these lights and she said all of a sudden, so again, like after she's looking at it now for several seconds, they were stationary and all of a sudden she said, they started moving in her direction. Like, I'm not exactly like sure, like what she means if it like was moving directly at her or just kind of she could tell they were moving east in the sky.

but towards, like directly towards her. And they were coming really fast, like, kind of steady. And then I think she said they got faster. And then she said at this point, she said she felt fear set in that this, whatever this was, was going to crash into her. Like that's kind of the feeling she got from. the direction these things were moving. And she was really straining to see, like, what was between the lights, like, if she could make out, like, any kind of a, like, what, like, a plane or a craft, you know, like, something connecting the lights.

And she can't remember if she ever did, but she said all, like, as they were coming at the point where she, like, she kind of closed her eyes and just braced for input. packed. Like, that's how crazy this was. And she said nothing happened. So she looked up and there was nothing. So she was obviously shaken up by this. So she goes back in to my sister's apartment. And she was like, my sister was on the phone. And she was like, Jen, Jen, get off the phone. I got to tell you something. Like, I just saw something. You have, like, so my sister's like, whoa, whoa, what's going on?

So she hangs up the phone. And my mom explains what she just saw to her. And my sister was kind of like, okay. And so they went around. So they were going around to the different windows looking up into the sky to see if they could see this thing again. And my mom had told her kind of what direction this thing was in. And so my sister actually had the window that faced.

west was behind a couch that she had. So she was like standing on the couch and she was kind of ducking down, you know, looking up into, you know, trying to get the best angle to look up in the sky. And I guess as as she was able to kind of look up, she suddenly said, oh my gosh, is that it? And my mom went over there and she looked out the window and she's like, yes, that's it. And so here

this string, this, you know, these five lights, or I think it was five, were back over and like it scared my sister. Like she, because it was again, very strange. Like it didn't look like anything and that

she could recognize. So she actually jumped back off the couch because she was startled by it and she ended up hurting her foot doing that. But you know, the thing that was that's cool about that is that my sister and my mom both saw it. So I think in those situations, it's so nice to have that second person see it so that you can be like,

okay, I'm not crazy. Like, I saw that, you know. And yeah, that was kind of the craziest one. Yeah, that's incredible. Now, did your mom say that she heard anything as was coming closer to her? Yeah, no noise, nothing like that. And it was like a real still, I'm trying to think if it was, I think it was overcast, too. So that was the other thing that really made it strange too was that, or ruled out being stars or anything because it was overcast.

Wow. Yeah. So let me ask you a question here. Yeah. When it comes to UFOs, what do you think people are seeing? Now, I think that there could be several things going on here. I hear a lot of different stories. But according to what your dad described to you and what your mom described to you

and what you've looked into this far along your path, what do you think these things are? Well, I mean, I'm pretty solid in my faith. what I believe about the Bible being the truth and being the Word of God. And there's enough in there that has shown that I guess I have come to see as truth just based on prophecy and various things that just prove the Bible and what it says. just kind of God's work in my own life. And I just see the, I see a lot of stuff as kind of black and white.

You know, I don't think that there's kind of this, I don't think God has left stuff out that we, that we can't. I think there's some stuff that obviously, it's not explicitly in the Bible, but I do believe that the Bible gives us an indication on things. of the supernatural. And I kind of tend towards, if it's not from God, if it's not glorifying God, if it's not, you know,

something supernatural that's, like, I guess along the lines of like miracles or something like that, if it's something that scares you or something that kind of is deceptive, and I just,

I just tend towards, believing that that is something from the other side of that equation. And so I would say some of the UFO stuff out there that people see may be some kind of technology. I'm kind of in the camp where I do believe that a lot of the real high-tech stuff that we have could potentially be some kind of fall. angel technology. I mean, it's just when you look at the rate at which technology

has just soared over the last 100 years exponentially, it's just it's hard not to think that there's something influencing that or kind of feeding that technology,

that knowledge to us as humans. I don't know. There's a lot of people that say, well, that it's aliens. But I guess it's been my personal experience that I don't believe that aliens from another planet are visiting us. I think that's, I think that's, I don't know, I think it's a deception. And some of the lights, I think, are, I don't know what the purpose of it would be, but I do believe that it's from that, kind of that dimension.

Like it's kind of extra dimensional, you know, like something that's going on that we can't see. And I, you know, because I do believe that there's a spiritual world, that there's kind of a battle going on right now for humanity. And I think that maybe some of that might be part of that. I really don't know 100%, but that's just my gut feeling on it. I got you. Yeah. Yeah. I hear different theories all the time. And, you know, anywhere from what you said to government aircraft that we don't know about yet, to, you know, UFOs being alien and things like that.

I mean, one thing's for sure is this, that you mentioned the last 100 years how technology has advanced. I mean, scratch the last 100 years just due to the last 15 years. I mean, it's incredible. 15 years ago, what we're doing here wasn't even thought of, you know? It was on. You know. So, but yeah, man, I really appreciate you coming on here and sharing some of your experiences with the group of people that we have listening tonight. And, you know, if you ever have anything you'd like to share, just, you know, give me a call.

Yeah. We'll do. All right, man. I'll talk to you later. Yeah, thanks, man. Bye. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it.

I certainly did. And I hope you enjoyed the perspective that Steve was able to offer tonight. You know, he didn't experience all the things he shared, but rather the people around him did. They shared the story with him, and he was able to relay the story back to us. Until next week, friends, take care. You must use fire! I got funny and don't give us respect!