The Confessionals - RELOADED | 189: Epstein Didn't Kill Himself with Charlie Robinson

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

Today for episode 189 we are bringing on a very special guest to help us tackle this insane topic of global elite pedophiles. Charlie Robinson is the author of the book entitled, "The Octopus of Global Control" where he uncovers the truly hidden secrets of how the world is run from the shadows. Because of his extensive knowledge as to how these types of groups operate we felt he would be the perfect person to bring on and discuss all things, Epstein. This show has lots of information in it as we attempt to bring you a surface level understanding of what is really going on.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereBigfoot: The Journey To Belief: Stream HereThe Meadow Project: Stream HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducer

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So this week we have Charlie Robinson coming on the show. I am super pumped about having Charlie on the show because I reached out to him to talk about Jeffrey Epstein and the whole thing. And he said absolutely he would come on. And when we got to talking, we talked about a lot of stuff, not just the Jeffrey Epstein stuff. So today is a smorgasbord of stuff that's actually circling and surrounding the topic of Jeffrey Epstein. But what you will find is that when you want to dive into the topic of Jeffrey Epstein, you will see that there are so many other tentacles, and you'll understand why I use that word tentacles

as we entered the interview, but there are so many different tentacles that are reaching out into different directions that you can go down and spend 24 hours talking about just that one topic. And so for the next two hours, you're going to hear me and Charlie talk about Jeffrey Epstein and a lot of the things that surround Jeffrey Epstein.

So without any further delay, let's bring on Charlie right after this week's member episode trailer. Let's go. I'm not much of a jogger, but I don't mind doing a nice little walk every now on there. And where I grew up in Woodville, Texas, and they've actually had quite a few sightings out there aside from mine because there's an Indian reservation out there. I was just walking through the woods. There's a nice little gang trail. It was probably a mile or two, so I'd walk up and down it.

And I'm walking through the woods, and I just, I guess, I don't know what it was, but I had like this just almost sick feeling in my stomach kind of come over me. Like I just said just all of a sudden I just felt sick and nauseous and kind of nervous. Which, you know, I'm a pretty big kid. I grew up in the woods. I actually had a hunting knife with me. So I thought, you know, worst case scenario, a hog would charge me and I'd get away from it. You know, grow up in the woods, I know what to listen for or what the airport.

But I just got this weird sense of almost kind of like panic hit my body. randomly. And at the same time that started happened, I started hearing weird little like noises

like tree branches breaking and knocks. And then after a while I started like getting real curious like what in the world

is going on and then out of nowhere a small little rock kind of like one you decorate I guess like your patio with a little small

looking polished rock looking things hit me smooth in the back. So it knocks me forward. And at that point, I'm, like, fighting mad, panicking, hearing weird crap all around me. So I turn around, and there he is.

As big as ever, probably every bit of seven foot tall, gray, like, I guess the best way I can describe his hair collar would be grayish brown because it was brown, but it looked like he was kind of like, you know, middle-aged, I guess, for lack of a better term. trying to like think about this moment but uh he was looking at me out out the side of his eyes if that makes sense you know how like someone aggravates you and you kind of like just kind of talk your eyes at him just kind of stare at him a little bit

yeah that's how this thing was staring at me and the only way I could describe the feeling I got from how he was staring at me was I could kill you if I really wanted to Like, he put me on notice with just a glance of his eyes. That's how intimidating and awful these eyes were. I wasn't about to reach for my knives because this thing could have mauled me in a split second as big as he was. And he just kind of, after he got done shooting his eyes at me,

he just kind of turned and lumbered off. And I stood there for what seemed like 10 years, just bone still, crying, sweating. And after, I guess, what seemed like forever. I just had to get away from that area. All right, today we got a great guest coming on. I actually have been planning on interviewing this guy for a little while now. Charlie Robinson, how are you, sir? I'm good. How are you? I'm doing good, man. So I found you through a YouTube video with Sean Atwood. So shout out to Sean Atwood. For sure. Big shout out to Sean Atwood. We love him.

I got into Sean Atwood. I got into Sean Atwood back when he was on Locked Up Abroad on Nasswood. National Geographic Channel. Yeah, they did a whole episode on him called Raving Arizona because he did seven years in prison for being an ecstasy trafficking kingpin after being a stockbroker. He's got a fascinating story. And then I sent him my book and we emailed a little bit. And then out of the blue one day he says, do you want to talk Epstein? And I was like, absolutely. Because I did a show with Kev Baker on YouTube slash TFR radio.

our TFR Live. And we talked about Epstein. We talked about the creepy AI robots that Epstein had funded and things like that. And Sean heard that and he's like, dude, you got to come on the show. And I was like, it's my pleasure, of course. So yeah, we love Sean. Yeah, absolutely. And I found his story somewhere online within the last year, to be honest. And I was just like, wow. And it was the, it was just such a jaw-dropping story to hear somebody, depending on how you look at it, but we'll just say fall from grace, where he's, you know, stockbroker making great money. And then he just kind of stumbled into dealing. And he realized he can make more money doing that. And he took that on full time. And he did it well. He did it really well. He put, he implemented the same sort of, um,

thought process that he would go put into analyzing stocks and deciding where to allocate cash and things like that. He would, he would do that with regard to the ecstasy business. I'm going to find supply chains. He looked at it. He just treated it like he was selling widgets. You know, I've got to deal with this group. I have to, you know, instead of dealing with this group of psychopaths being Goldman Sachs, he was dealing with a different type of psychopaths being the Mexican mafia and, you know, and people like that. But he, he made it, he made it work. And he was actually out of the drug trafficking business when he got arrested. They, they, they, he had, he had walked away. And they just, they went in, pulled him back in because the statute of limitations

hadn't expired. So he yeah, he got he got himself caught up in that whole thing. And he would freely admit that he you know, what he was doing was illegal and, you know, he sort of had nobody to blame but himself and he speaks at schools and, you know, does the whole, you know, stay off of drugs, don't do what I did type of thing. So, you know, the guy's turned his life around and he's obviously a smart guy, kept himself alive in prison by taking fellow inmates, papers, court papers, reading through it,

trying to find holes in it, things that they could exploit for appeals and becoming sort of like the jailhouse lawyer, which is lucky for him. He's a super smart guy or else, you know, being an English guy in an Arizona maximum security federal prison would be a hard way to live out seven years. Yeah, it wouldn't bode well.

at all. And, you know, that's one thing to the audience, if you don't know who Sean Atwood is, check him out. And he actually, you know, like Charlie said, he really turned his life around. And he now speaks at schools. And it's not like you have to guess, well, I don't know if I want him talking to my student. Trust me. This is a guy that your students would love. And he has a great life lesson to teach all young people to really just kind of motivate them to really push for significance in their own life heading into their adulthood. So I highly recommend Sean that would. And that's not even something that we planned on talking about. So I know. But I'll tell you what, let's get this thing started with just you talking to us a little bit about

your book. Now, you mentioned your first book to me earlier. So I'm assuming you might have a second one or something. But the one I'm aware of is the octopus of global control. And sir, it's, you know, a great book. And I think that a lot of people will be very, find it very beneficial to put this on their Christmas list. I have put it on my Christmas list. I'm thinking I'm just going to be getting it on Kindle anyway, so I get it now. Yeah, it's, well, what's interesting about it is that the book, the origins of the book came out of me bringing up 9-11 at Thanksgiving dinner, Thanksgiving table. Way to ruin Thanksgiving dinner. Right. And what I realized with this, this was many years ago, I don't know, it was 2006 or something like this.

But I realized I didn't have my argument very well. I didn't have it together. I didn't think I was going to be bringing it up. You know, the table kind of turned on me. And what I felt like saying to everybody was, well, don't take my word for it. If you heard that if you heard about it, if you heard that the BBC announced that Tower 7 fell 30 minutes before it happened, you know, would that change your mind? If you heard that, you know, if you heard Richard Gage from architects and engineers for 9-11 truth, talk about how it's an impossibility.

You'd have to defy the laws of physics for building seven to fall. You know, would that change your mind? Would it matter that he's got 3,000 other architects and engineers? And so I realized that, you know, everyone at that table, they looked at me as having no credibility or no authority to explain this situation. But they do view other people as having the authority. And they didn't, I felt like if I could write a book and I could bring in the words of other people, not mine. Mine's, my words, my thoughts are, they're all in there, obviously. But if I could get the, if people could hear it from somebody else's mouth, if they could hear about, you know, and you say that the media is, is part of this deep state or that the media is working with these globalist scumbags to put together.

or a one world government, you know, the casual person would go, get out of here, man, you're out of your mind. And you say, well, but hang on a second. What if you heard David Rockefeller give a speech in 1991 at Bilderberg in which he thanked the media for doing their part and keeping their mouth shut because without their silence, they would not, the rest of the globalist people at that conference would not be able to move forward with the New World Order without their help. I mean, would that change your mind? And, you know, and the answer is, well, yeah, I mean, I guess if I heard that, well, good. So, you know, what about if David Rockefeller writes in his autobiography, that if there's people that accuse him and his family of being global

internationalists, that they are looking for a one-world government trying to suppress everybody. And then he says, if those are the charges, then I stand guilty of it. charged. Like, oh my God. So what I did was I brought together quotes from over 500 different people that had a hand in this, that in some of these important events in world history, and United States history too. So you've got the Rockefellers and Rothschilds and Clintons and Bushes and all these maniacs that are in positions of power. I bring in their words. You know, talk about the New World Order and people kind of roll their eyes and go, give me a break. All right, well, George H.W. Bush mentioned it over 200 times during his presidency. Here's seven instances of it. You know, here's here are the president. You know, here's Tony Blair talking about the New World Order. Here's everybody. Here's Al Gore talking about it. Here's the president. You know, here's Engelham Merkel talking about the New World. They're all using the same terms. Here's the Pope talking about the New World Order. Now do you believe that it's actually a thing? Like, I'm not just wearing my tinfoil hat. So, you know, I brought in all these different voices. And then on top of that,

you know, I think that the best way to deliver this news is with a little bit of humor. And everybody loves George Carlin. And the more I watch George Carlin, the more I feel like he should have been writing the history books. Because his version of history sounds a whole lot more accurate than everybody else's version of history. So I brought Carlin's voice in and Bill Hicks and Joe Rogan and these guys, guys that see the world from a comedian's point of view, which is they can sort of, they can, they're a little bit more objective. and they can point out the insanity that everyone else tends to miss. So that's the structure of the book. It's me writing about eight different tentacles of control and then having and then punctuating it with not footnotes,

but sort of verbal quote footnotes, you know, sort of like the, you know, there's one of the greatest, one of my favorite quotes from it is, it's from a guy named John Francie. is Highland, and he is the mayor of New York City. And he's the one that he mentions this sprawling octopus that has its tentacles in every aspect of their society, from the banking and media to this, you know, to everything. And he says, let me be, you know, to be more specific, I'm talking about the Rockefeller standard oil interests. And he's going on and on about this. And when you get to the very end of the quote, which is a couple paragraphs long, you realize it was written in 1922 and you're like, we're coming up on a century since this guy had this quote

and nothing has changed. You know, it's still in place. This octopus, it's not, and the octopus, by the way, it's not my, I didn't invent that. That's been around. He mentioned it. Danny Castellero wrote a book called the octopus, which got him killed. There's plenty of people that have talked about this octopus. So in no way am I trying to claim ownership of it. But it's a great symbolic creature because it's obviously it's got the eight tentacles. It's intelligent, it's very intelligent. It's got a hidden beak that you don't see coming until you get close to it and then it will rip you to shreds. It can spray ink to make its getaway or it can stay in fight. It can change colors. It can change textures. It can be whatever it needs to be at that current situation. I'm thinking this is a

perfect metaphor for the deep state because this is who they are. They can be what they need to be when they need to be it. If they want to be vicious, they'll stay and fight. If they want to get away, if they want to pin it on someone else, they'll disguise themselves. You know, so this is, this is sort of the thinking of how I came up with the octopus. And so it's, it's talking about these eight different aspects of control, then my opinions on it, and then punctuated with quotes from 500 people. Yeah, and I think that's one of the best ways you can go about, you know, writing a book like this, because it's not just you saying stuff, because then you're just thrown into the, the list of, oh, you're just a crazy person that has conspiracy theories trying to capitalize on it,

but you actually went out and got, you know, evidence and quotes. And one of the things that people have to understand when it comes to this stuff is that these people are extremely patient. They don't do things just for their life. They do it for the next generation, the generations to come that they won't even be around for, but they are putting this stuff into work for them, the future generation. So if they die off, that's fine because they're doing work in their mind on a bigger scale for a bigger reason than just their own personal gain in life. Yeah. And it's, I mean, they're psychopathic, but you have to respect their ability to play a longer game than the rest of us. You know, we get, we look at things in terms of our, our lifespan.

Maybe when our kids are born, then we, then maybe that clock resets and you go, okay, well, I have to give a shit about this world for a little bit longer now because I have kids involved in this. But in their particular world, it's multi-generational. You know, these things can go on for hundreds of years. And, you know, they're patients that they show for things like this. And David Ike talks about this a lot. He talks about the totalitarian tiptoe, right? If you try to get from A to Z all at once making sweeping moves that are rather

blatant and obvious, the public will rise up against that. But if it's, if you don't go, if you just go A to B, then B to C and C to D, and you just make this incremental over time, then it's a, it's a more stable way of making these changes and making them making sure that they stick. So that, that comes with experience and that comes with, um, with a desire to make this, you know, to, for their way of thinking is to do this right, even if it takes longer. Uh, so you have to sort of, I don't know. I mean, I guess you have to sort of show them a little bit of respect for their commitment towards that. It's psychopathic, of course, and devious, but give them credit for thinking about the long game. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's definitely a method to the madness.

We had David Ike on the show for episode 131 for anybody who was interested in hearing about that. So your website is the octopus of global control.com. people can get a lot of information there. I'll add the website and the links on Amazon to your book so people can just go right to the description on this show and they can go ahead and purchase the book. Do you have a preferred method of people purchasing? Some people prefer, you know, through a website over Amazon or anything like that. Yeah. Well, if someone, if you want the paperback, it's available at Amazon and it's available at Barnes & Noble. If you want the, just an e-book version or a PDF version, Just come to my website.

I have PayPal and I have crypto set up, anything over $10. And I'll email you an ePUB version and a PDF version that that gets you around. That gets you around Jeff Bezos, taking pictures of his junk emailing them to people. If you don't want to support that weirdo, you can come directly to me. But one of the things about the book that's, you know, like if you're, If you're listening to this show, you're already awake in some form, right? You're sort of on that path. This is not, I would imagine this is not the type of show that you just kind of casually bump into.

You kind of have an interest in these sorts of things. Now, if you feel like you've gone, you know this stuff, what is nice, kind of nice about the book that I've found. I didn't expect this, but it turned out that this has been sort of a side benefit to the book, is that a lot of people have been buying it and giving it to people in their life that they've gone down that path with, you know, that have kind of tuned them out and they're sort of like, you're nuts, you know, enough with you and your conspiracies. They've said they've backed away from trying to push it and they've just sent my book and someone will go through, if you go through the table of contents, there's so many different topics in there, you're bound to just find. And I made all the chapter names funny, you know, so that they're, you know, stuff like they don't call her killerie for nothing and, you know, the. Revolution will be televised, but everyone will just devr it. So I made it so that it's sort of fun. It's fun as, you know, horrible conspiracies can be. But because I found that, you know, obviously with a little bit of humor,

it makes these topics get easier to digest. And one of the things that I've noticed over time is that, and it certainly was the case with me, was that you never know what, topic, what event is going to be the one that triggers someone to kind of wake up out of this slumber? For me, it was 9-11 in general, but building 7 in particular, right? You see that visual image of that building coming down and you go, okay, there's something wrong here. And if there's something wrong with this story, you know, if we're being lied to about this event,

are we being lied to about other events and it sort of leads you down this path? And I've had some people that said, like, you know, they don't really know where to start. They don't really have an interest in this. But their brother-in-law died in Vietnam. And so they read the story about Vietnam. And they read the story about the Gulf of Tonkin incident being a non-incident, you know, that it didn't actually happen. What the trigger that sent us into Vietnam fully about this ship being attacked by North Vietnamese PT boats. And it didn't happen.

Like not it didn't happen exactly the way the news report. It literally did not happen. There was no, there were no boats attacking them. And so you go, oh my God, you know, that's a lie. And 50,000 Americans died. Who knows how many Vietnamese, Cambodian Laotians died. And let's just say over a million. All started on a lie.

You know, and so if that's personal to you because you had a family member that went to Vietnam and died over a lie, then that might be. To you, what Building 7 was to me, which kind of gets you rolling. You go, okay, well, this Gulf of Tonkin was a lie. What about Pearl Harbor? What about babies and the incubators? What about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? What about, you know, Assad is gassing his own people?

Like, what about all these things? Well, spoiler alert, they're all lies. I mean, this is what the media does. And so what I did was I went through and said, you know, let's give some. context to some of these lies. You didn't want to go into Iraq in 2003 because the weapons and mass destruction sounded a little fishy to you. But did you know that the babies in the incubator story was totally made up too? Did you know that that Nariah was the ambassador's daughter, the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter and that she was coached by Hill and Nolton in that whole

presentation about how they took the babies out of the incubators and left them to die on the cold floor. It was 100% fabricated. Not my opinion. It's declassified now. They admit it. They're not even trying to hide it. So once again, how many people died over these lies? And so part of what I feel like is important, not just this book, but just in general that we all know, is like we start to get, it's important for us to get better at recognizing the signs of a media slash military, industrial complex coordinated lie. And I feel like we're getting there. I feel like the alternative media is doing a pretty good job of prepping people, sort of helping people understand that when you see things like Bashar al-Assad has gassed his own people, and here's the picture of it,

and here's the video of it. And you go, I'm sorry, I just can't, you don't get the benefit of the doubt anymore, media. We're not. listening to you. We're not believing you. You know, it used to be like when we were kids, like maybe you, at least in my case, my default setting was if it's on the news, I'll believe it. It might not be right, but at least I'll start with it from a position of I believe it. Now that's, I mean, anybody that looks at their corporate mainstream news like that is out of their minds. I mean, how many times do you have to be lied to before you realize, hey, these people are not on our side. They're lying to us about all these things.

So whether it's Gulf of Tonkin or babies and incubators or whatever these lies are, it's getting to the point now where people are immediately picking them apart. The soon as somebody comes out and says there was a mass shooting somewhere, okay, let's see the evidence. Because you don't get to just tell us this is how it went down and we all go, okay, that's how it went down. No more. I mean, a lot of people do. But for people that are paying attention, you know, the media has worn out that. They've lost that right. They've lost the right to be trusted. In fact, I don't even, if CNN tells me what the weather is going to be like tomorrow, I don't even believe. You know, they're so, they're so discredited. And it's not that, and I'm not saying that because Donald Trump told me to say that, you know what I mean? I'm not saying he didn't give me the idea that the end, that the mainstream media is the enemy of humanity. You know, we figured it out. We figured it out because we've been lied to. Like, How if the mainstream media was like your girlfriend, you'd never tolerate the sort of stuff it does to you.

You know, you'd never tolerate the sort of lies that she would be telling you. You know, you just would feel like, this is craziness. This can't be. But so part of, you know, part of what I wanted to get across to everyone in this book was you could start on page one and read all the way through. And it's 540 pages. There's a lot of pages. But you don't need to. You can go through the table of context, pick out any chapter on any sort of topic and start there.

Just start. If something that's interest you and one topic interests you and the other one doesn't, don't read the one that doesn't interest you. It doesn't matter. You'll get enough information out of just following the ones that you're sort of into. And from there, maybe dip your toe in something that you've never heard of before and see what's in there. Because, you know, it's a painful process when you start to realize that. you've been lied to about so much your whole life. It's very disorienting. You don't really know who to trust or, you know, it's kind of tempting to want to like go back to sleep. You know,

you understand in the matrix why someone would say, you know, I just want to have a steak. You know, I just want to, I want to have a glass of wine and steak and just go back to to the way it used to be. It's a lot easier that way. It's, it's emotionally taxing for all of us that or waking up to the lies that we've been fed. I mean, you can't unknow it. Once you know it, you can't unknow it. And it's a burden. It's a bit of a responsibility for us.

But I feel like we sort of owe it to ourselves to be, you know, to wake up to this, to teach our friends and family and kids, you know, that listen, there's a lot of people out there working against your best interest, especially on TV. And you have to, and on the Internet, and you have to be aware of this. and be a little bit more discerning about the information that you ingest from all these trusted news sources because a lot of times they're not trustworthy at all. Right. Absolutely. And, you know, it sounds like the book would be a good book for people to have as like a reference to certain topics since you cover so much stuff. I found that there's another

book that I have called The Genesis Six Conspiracy with Gary Wayne. Very similar thing. I got that book and I'm like, it's an 800 page book. And I'm like, I am not going to read this whole thing. But I find that I use it a lot during my, you know, researching. I shouldn't say researching. I'm not a researcher. I, when I sit down to try to learn something about a specific topic when it comes to, like, giants and Nephilim out of the Bible, I use his book as a reference guide because it has so much information in it to, you know, go to.

So that's really cool. And I think that you talk about the awakening of, you know, what everybody wakes up to. There's different topics like the, the Vietnam War and how that. all started. I mean, that was, that was, you know, essentially Operation Northwoods. And Operation Northwoods has never, it started back in, what, it was 50s or 60s, and it's been carried through to this day. It never went away. It's still here. And they're using it on so many different things. 9-11 was Operation Northwoods. Vietnam Operation Northwoods. And so it's very interesting. A lot of people, you know, wake up to certain different topics and that gets them into this stuff.

And I think that's a great way to segue into, you know, the topic at hand today, which is Epstein, because right now in our country and probably globally, but I only speak to what I know, which is this country, there are a lot of people waking up to the idea that Epstein didn't kill himself. And here's a cool, not I shouldn't say cool thing. Here's the thing about, though, it's become a meme. Like I created an ugly Christmas sweater to set Epstein didn't kill himself. And I started thinking about it. It's like, you know, this is a great way for them to sweep it under. the carpet too, you know, make it a meme, make it something that's not that serious anymore, people just kind of forget about it. But there are a lot of people in this country that are waking up to the fact that there is a shadow government that pulls the strings. And Epstein, that happened right in front of their face. And people are starting to become, quote, unquote, conspiracy theorists. So yeah. And Caitlin Johnstone, the writer, she said about the, you know, about the Epstein suicide. I put that in quotes. That after after this, now every Everybody's a conspiracy theorist, you know, is what she was saying.

You know, you're allowed to be. You know, they made it so that you've got seven, I don't know, with the last stat I saw was 70% of people do not think that he killed himself. Well, of course not. You know, it's funny is that when it first happened, my initial reaction to it was that he did, well, obviously that he didn't kill himself, but that he was swapped out. That was my thought. Now, I understand that would be hard for, it's hard to do. But if anyone had the ability, the financial resources, the connections to make it happen, and people on the other side, you know, having a vested interest in him getting out of there,

it would have been Epstein. But what changed my mind about that actually was Sean Atwood, talking to him about it. he was saying, you know, he was saying, you know, if the way these organizations, say, mafia type organizations run is that if they were to remove this guy and set him up, you know, give him plastic surgery, put him on, you know, take him to Tel Aviv or whatever the speculation is and where he went, they would be sending the message to the rest of the people that, oh, you know, it's okay, you talk, you get arrested, you know, you get pinched and you start. start talking, that's fine, we'll come get you and take you out. He's like, that's not how it

works. They would be sending the message that if you get put in custody and you start talking, you're dead. So I was like, hmm, yeah, I guess I'm going to have to, I'm, I'm leaning more to Sean's way of thinking, which is that Epstein was murdered as opposed to being smuggled out, although I do keep open that possibility only because he had the ability. He's one of the few people that would actually have the ability to make that happen if in fact that is what happened. But I don't think anybody, you know, like I said on Sean's show, you don't kill yourself in prison, in jail before you've had your trial and you've been sentenced. Let's say you go through the trial, you're found guilty, you're sentenced to 60 years in prison and you're 60 years old and you know you're going to die there and it's a. federal case and you're going to have to do 85% of that. So you realize you're never getting out,

that's when you might kill yourself. But you wouldn't be doing it in the lead up to the trial. Especially if you're Epstein with all the money, all the lawyers and a track record of getting out of, you know, getting around being thrown in prison for the rest of your life once already. that doesn't make any sense to take yourself out that early on in the process. He may have wanted to kill himself, but that would only happen after all of his available options would have been extinguished. The way I look at it, and I know you've heard my opinion on it, you know, just this past week I was on Timfoil hat podcast, and I shared my opinion on that.

And I look at it as like if, because I lean towards the idea that Epstein is still breathing. I certainly don't believe that he killed himself. I certainly can go both ways on whether somebody killed him or he's still alive. To me, it doesn't matter. He's still a piece of trash either way. But I think about the idea that I don't think that it would be necessarily in my mind him pulling strings to get out of a situation, but rather those that he has dirt on pulling the strings to get him out of a situation. Right. And I just think about the idea that, you know, if I was, if I was somebody that had tons of

money and did it because I was doing some super shady illegal stuff that I was involving a lot of other people in. And if somebody, you know, goes down, a lot of us could get hurt, I would have a lot of safeguards up. And one of the things that I would do is I would have access to somebody who can set up a legit kill switch where, you know, if I get taken down, if I'm going to get put into court or I die, like somebody kills me, this information is to be released and everybody, the whole world will see who's involved. And that's the idea that I kind of look at. I'm just like,

well, I know he couldn't be too stupid, like with the stuff that he was doing. And I'm just like, I, Tony Merkel would have a kill switch. Like, yes. Of course. course. And you're right in that sense. Let's just play this out. If he was, if he was removed and swapped out, it wouldn't be because he necessarily said, I want to get out. It would be, like you said, because the people who he has the dirt on, it would be in their best interest to get him out. Of course, it'd be in his best interest to get out as well. But they would be the ones that would put things in motion because, like you said, he'd have a kill. He'd have a dead man's trigger that if I, listen, if I go down, you know, guys, you're going to have to pull up all the stops to get

me out of there. And, uh, and that's another thing. So if that is the case, let's just say that. Let's just say that they, let's just say that the people above him be it, uh, you know, is, you know, Mossad, CIA, Clinton's, you know, Trump, whoever, you name it, whoever's in a, you know, bar, all these guys in a position of power that had the authority to do that, you know, they would get him out and then they theoretically could start the meme of Epstein didn't kill himself just to reinforce the fact that he was okay fine he didn't kill himself but he definitely was murdered I could I could see them doing that I could see them doing going you know playing 3D chest chess and in that sense and in saying well like if we're going to swap him out

out, then we need to really make it look like the argument is between did he kill himself or was he murdered, but never the third option, which is was he smuggled out? He could be. I'm not saying that he, I'm not saying that he wasn't smuggled out. I think that that still has to be on the table simply because of who he was, who he was dealing with, you know, those fishy pictures of him, you know, on the gurney and everything. The whole thing is, the whole the whole thing was totally, totally sketchy. But in a sense, how weird would it be? How weird would it be that if millions and millions of people around the world

woke up to the fact that the media is filled with pathological liars, that the Justice Department is totally crooked and, you know, compromised, that Epstein of all people woke up millions of other human beings to the fact that things are a scam. That would be just the ultimate and backfiring for these intelligence agencies, that they've got some guy. And in the end, he winds up blowing the whistle on not just what he was doing. The fact that the CIA is involved, the fact that Mossad is operating inside the United States

in a big way, the fact that the Clintons are notorious scumbag pedophiles, that all of these people, It just would be fascinating that Epstein was the one that woke up more people than 9-11. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You know, I think we can all agree that, you know, the one thing is for sure he didn't kill himself. And the idea that he was suicidal, I think, is just ridiculous. He wasn't suicidal the first time he was arrested for this, which was all new for him. He didn't know what the outcome would be.

He was the first time being arrested for being, a sex offender. He wasn't suicidal then, but he suicidal the second time around. Right. Okay. I got you. But the second, yeah, the second time around, what is he, is he in his cell thinking, oh, I hope that Attorney General Barr doesn't come and throw the book at me, you know, Attorney General Barr, whose dad hired me at the Dalton school, you know, that guy. Yeah. So, I mean, he would have no reason to feel like he was going to get the book thrown at him. There are too many people in positions of power that he had dirt on that would be working on his behalf like Barr, like Clintons, like Trump even, although I don't think Trump is, I don't necessarily think of Trump as being

as devious and as dirty with Epstein as Clinton, but I might be wrong about that. I mean, he could, he could very well. I don't, I think Trump is definitely, you know, unwell, but I don't know if he's as unwell as the Clintons are. Yeah, I mean, one quote that does come back into my mind when you brought that up is the idea that Trump did at one point say that, you know, he, I think he said, he was saying, because he said two different things at one time. One time he said he was, Epstein was a great guy. The other time he said, I don't like the guy, but he did say on one of those statements that he likes young girls, a little too young for his taste and I was just like, did you know something?

Oh, yeah. You know? Of course you knew something. Yeah. And Epstein screwed or Epstein and Trump got into, you know, a bit of a, had a falling out over a piece of property in Palm Beach that Trump was going to, Trump was going to buy it. Epstein was, I forget, if it was going to buy it or Epstein was going to buy it or Epstein was going to buy it.

Someone was going to buy this property and flip it. No, it was, Epstein was going to buy this property and flip it, and Trump stepped in and snatched it out from under him through a loan with Deutsche Bank. And so they had a falling out over that. But, you know, these guys are all running in the same circle, you know, you've got, you've got Dershowitz now stepping up and, you know, injecting himself into this Trump situation where he's like, well, maybe I'll represent you for the impeachment. stuff like okay this is the last person in the world you would want representing you for the this is a you know i have i i i i hold alan dershowitz in such low regard it's there's there's there's almost nobody that i i feel is is a more of a reprehensible human being than allan dershowitz and and he's you know he he knows he knows what's up he was epstein's attorney he's on those

planes he's on the island he knows what's going on he's gotten massages nobody should believe a single word that Alan Dershowitz says. No, I agree. I just want to make a quick public service announcement now that I just remembered it. Anybody who was looking to buy the Epstein didn't kill himself ugly Christmas sweaters, they are not for sale anymore. Teaspring took it down. And they said, they said that it was because there was a third party. I used some third party, I guess, graphic that I didn't have permission to, which is a lie because all it was was a graphic and text and the graphic I bought. And so, And so, but the thing is that I really got me was that they said, we'll make the ones that you

already had orders for, but we're not making any more because of this. I'm like, if it was really a legal thing because of the third party thing, you would legally not be allowed to make any of them. And so I was just like, collector's addition. Yeah. I mean, so anybody who ordered it, you'll get it, but anybody who was going to order it, you're out of luck. And guess what? So am I because I didn't order mine either. So, wow, there are now I'm going to. Now I'm going to back to the drone. Now I have to get a Popeye's ugly Christmas sweater. Did you see those? Those sold out, I guess. There's been so many good ones this year. But so mentioning about the Epstein stuff with the impeachment stuff, one thing I'll bring up real quick is that August 10th,

Epstein kills himself. So you have the, wow, Epstein killed himself today. Tomorrow we wait and see how the news and world reacts to it. Oh, crap, it's a shitstorm. So August 12th, hey, whistleblower, file some complaints. And that's when the whistleblower filed complaints, August 12. And it's just like, is that a coincidence or is it organized or is it a little bit of both? I don't know. But I just found that very, those two dates standing out in my mind. Yeah.

Well, they always, there's always something that pops up to change the news cycle when there's an event that is that paints a certain group of people or a certain, you know, one party over the other party in a really. bad light, then next thing you know, you see it there's a school shooting or something to distract from the current news that's bothering them. And sometimes those things are organic and sometimes they're not. Sometimes they're totally manipulated to do that. Because they know. They understand the people in positions of power, whether they be in the government or, you know, high-ranking business people or, you know, they understand the role that the media plays. And they know, know that you can put something into that news cycle and use it to further your agenda, or you can get caught up in that new cycle, and then you need to change the topic as quickly as you can.

So it goes both ways. They use the media. In my opinion, of the eight tentacles that I went into, I think that the media is the most, I think that the banking is the most dangerous. And I think the media is second on that list just because they can, you know, they can start wars. You know, I know that the military is another one of the tentacles, but I put that beneath the media because the media has the ability to convince people that not just should we go to war, but, you know, we got to do it now. You know, we can't wait any longer. And I always found that to be very troubling.

And, of course, the media has played a huge role in this Epstein situation as evidenced by Amy Roboc talking about how they spike the story. Like you just said and stuff, I mean, media starting wars, they almost did that. So ABC with the Amy Robach, but what was it just like a couple weeks before that and stuff, they put out fake video of the bombings actually. Gun range. Yeah. And so it's like that literally is something that was, if it wasn't exposed to be fake and fraudulent and a hoax, really could have, you know, played a role in decision making as to starting a war with somebody. And so like, you're absolutely right. And before we get too far carried away with just you and I talk, Because I just feel like I could. Absolutely. I want to just kind of reel it back and stuff. And I have a feeling, Charlie, that you're going to be somebody I'll be bringing back on the show throughout the show's existence because I think it's just you're a wealth of information.

You're easy to talk to. So, Epstein, how, let me just ask you this basic question and you can kind of run with it as far as you want to or whatever. How did this guy go from being a private school teacher to being the guy that you're he was the day he died. There were certain things that you could say were coincidence that fell into place for him for this to happen. But then you could also say maybe from the very beginning he was at least groomed to be this guy that we knew him to be. Yeah, I think he was groomed. I think that he showed a propensity towards being a empathy deficient psychopath. He's obviously, you know,

has a sexual addiction that's been evidenced over the years. I think, so he got this job at the Dalton School, and by all accounts, he was totally unqualified for that. He's been unqualified for every job, to be honest. So he did that for a while. He wound up becoming friends with the Greenbergs who run AIG. Through that, he wound up in the banking world. and after a while of being in banking, you know, people talk about like, oh, well, we don't know where he got his money.

You know, he obviously got his money from somewhere. Well, he might have gotten his money from Les Wexner. He might have gotten his money from the Mossade. And he might have gotten it from both places. But he also made a lot of money through a Ponzi scheme with Stephen Hoffenberg. This is a guy that he worked with at Bear Stearns. And Stephen Hoffenberg went to prison for 20 years for this Ponzi scheme, which stole hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. His right-hand man, the person that was with him from the beginning of this scam to the very end and miraculously escaped any sort of prosecution was Jeffrey Epstein.

And Stephen Hoffenberg will say, you know, Epstein kind of played the role of I didn't know what he was up to. I didn't know. I had no idea that this was happening. Hoffenberg says that's a total fabrication. That's totally untrue. He knew exactly what we were doing. Not only that, he's got a bunch of the money. So it's possible that he was self-funded as well.

Because from this Ponzi scheme, which still, I don't know, I forget the exact figures, it was over $400 million. I think I want to say it was like $500 million. But it's a lot of money. And we're talking in the mid-80s that this happened. And Stephen Hoffenberg found it wound up getting busted for it and doing time. And he's out now, you know, after two decades in prison. And he's saying this guy, Epstein knew it all. He knew it all.

He knew as much as I knew. And I was running the thing. So you've got that connection. You've got a connection to Les Wexner, the billionaire owner of limited brands, Limited Express, Victoria Secrets, Bath and Body Works, things like that. this is a guy who you go, oh, he's just this sweet old, you know, maybe it's just this old man who's in the underwear business and got mixed up with this guy. No, no, that's not true. Les Wexner is a member of the mega group. The mega group was formed by Edgar Bronfman,

senior and Les Wexner. They started this as a organization for Jewish billionaires. Now, that's not me saying it's a Jewish thing. That's them saying it's a Jewish thing. That's them saying it's a Jewish thing. Guys, lots of, lots of, you know, wealthy, extremely wealthy people involved in the mega group, including guys like Steven Spielberg and, you know, but lots of, lots of investment banking guys, Max Lender, the guy who started Lenders bagels. So you have a couple of sort of priorities there. You've got to be extremely wealthy and you've got to be Jewish with an emphasis on using your money to further things that benefit Israel specifically or in Jews as well. So this is what, you know, this is part of what the mega group was.

Now, when you look at Les Wexner, his protege is Jeffrey Epstein, who's running a sexual blackmail entrapment ring. Then you've got Edgar Bronfman, Sr., and you've got his daughter, Claire Bromfer, or his niece, Claire Bromfman, who it was running. Nexium, which is also a sexual black male entrapment ring. She's sitting in a prison cell with Keith Reneery, maybe not together, but they're both in prison for this. And so what you've got is the two guys that started the mega group also happened to be running child sex trafficking rings at the same time. What a coincidence, right? Maybe this mega group is up to no good.

Maybe what they're doing is they're trying to benefit their Israel or slash the Jewish people. They're operating under the assumption that the ends justify the means, right? Whatever it takes to make things, you know, to help our people out, we're willing to do it. So, you know, people are speculating. Was the Mossad involved with Jeffrey Epstein? Of course the Mossad was involved with Jeffrey Epstein. CIA was probably involved with them too. And so you go, well, how can you, how can you be sure that the Mossad is involved with Jeffrey Epstein?

Well, that's where you get into his ties to Galane Maxwell. And when you look at who Galane Maxwell was, she was started off as Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend, but they were, you know, they were best friends. And they also liked, you know, they all liked, you know, they liked young girls. And so they were pulling girls into their little, into their romantic life. And then they, then Maxwell was in charge of sort of, you know, getting the girls for him, you know, sort of grooming them to serve, you know, service Jeffrey and things like that. And so you go, well, who's this Glein Maxwell? What is what's her deal? You know, she's British.

She's a socialite. She, her dad was Robert Maxwell who owned the Mirror Group. He was a Czechoslovakian Jew. They used to call him the bouncing check because he was check. And also he was notoriously bad about paying people that he owed. He looted the pension fund and stole hundreds of millions of dollars from the mirrors pension fund, which is the pension fund for their employees. So he stole all their money. He worked for the Mossad himself.

There's a book written called Robert Maxwell, Israeli super spy. You know, so I mean, they're not even trying to hide the fact that he was, he was knee-deep in with the Mossad. He miraculously was, you know, was found floating next to his yacht, the Lady Galane, off the Canary Islands back in 1991. And all accounts point to the fact that he was poisoned and thrown off the boat by the Mossad for double-crossing them. You know, he had sort of leverage. He'd gone to them and said, I need hundreds of millions of dollars or else this information gets out. next thing, you know, he's dead. So the ties to Epstein and the Mossad are pretty deep.

They come through the Maxwell family, maybe even earlier than that. So, you know, we've got a guy that's running, you know, he's got a, Les Wexner gives him his $70 million in New York penthouse that is that had already been wired with video surveillance equipment. That's normal, you know. So everything points to this guy being, you know, not a hedge fund manager like he says he is, but somebody that's running a sexual blackmail operation, right? How the heck does one person go from this school teacher to being like this master briber? Like, so when it comes to like this bribing process, I mean, do you have any idea as to how he went about getting access to these people.

I mean, I'm a truck driver by trade right now. I can't imagine a day where I'm going to have access to Donald Trump to have the option to bribe him, blackmail him. Like, how does that even happen? Well, that's where Galane Maxwell comes into it because she's a British socialite, you know, known as Robert Maxwell's daughter, grew up. up in London had access to all these people. You'll see pictures of her attending Chelsea Clinton's wedding. You'll see her, you know, with Prince Andrew, obviously. They have a very tight relationship.

And so she had, she had what Epstein needed. She had the social circle. She had the ability to bring him into the, into that high class world. Well, I don't know, class, high class might not be the right word because I don't find these people to have any class. But, but you know what I mean? The, the, the upper echelon society. So you've got British royalty, you know, parliament, people from parliament that were close with the Maxwell's. You have his ties to media, which includes Rupert Murdoch and people like that. You have his ties to Israel and the sort of the billionaire class that come out of Israel and their ties and their, you know, the Israeli ties are, are super deep. So the way that he made this work, because he was, by all accounts, just a big dummy from Brooklyn who grew up and wound up dropping out of college and, you know, had by all accounts had nothing going for him.

A lot of people have described him as being kind of on the dumb side as well, not, you know, somebody who's into all this science, but then he would sit down and have these conversations with the scientists and the scientists in two seconds would realize this guy knows nothing. He's kind of a dope in that sense. But he's, he was, he was, you know, like psychopathic in his need for sex with young girls. And that in most society, you would see that as a flaw, right? That would be the one, you'd go, okay, that's the guy I don't want to hire. Yeah. But when you're dealing with these, with the intelligence world or you're dealing with government, you know, politicians and things like that, what they are looking for, what the people that fund these politicians are looking for is the worst in a person, not the best.

You know, normally we would see, oh, like that guy's, Dennis Hastert would say, oh, he's a notorious pedophile. Well, he's got to be out of the running, right? We can't have him in that. No, no, no. It's the exact opposite. You got to have some guy who is the pedophile or who is a closeted homosexual or who is a, degenerate alcoholic and gambler or whatever. That's the guy you actually want in office if you're these controllers above the politicians

because they've got built-in flaws in them that you can exploit. They're compromised, they're deficient human beings to begin with. You know that they are and therefore you can ask them to do what you want them to do and they'll probably do it. But if they go against you, then you've got the blackmail card on them. and you tell them what to do. So this is why people sort of scratch their heads and they go, why are these people, why are these politicians such screw-ups that seem like 300 million people in this country

and we can't find a politician that isn't hiking the Appalachian Trail with his girlfriend or doing this or that or getting money from Ed Buck or, you know, we can't find better people than that. The answer is they're not looking for better people than that. This is exactly who they want. This is done by design. They want the most corrupt, compromised people you can possibly get to be in positions of power so that the people above them that choose to remain in the shadows can manipulate them and get them to do what they want.

And pedophilia is the best way to do that because there's no expiration date on that. You know, you can be a married man who's cheating on his wife and these scumbags have that info on you and they can maybe make you do something. But, you know, at the end, you'll just get a divorce. Or you could be a closeted homosexual and they, you know, like Linne's, you know, like Linne, Lindsey Graham or someone, and they sort of manipulate that you that way. But at this age, you know, in this era, like, okay, fine, you come out and you say, look, I'm gay. Who cares? Nobody really, it's not even that big of a deal anymore. But if you're a pedophile and they've got the goods on you for that, they've got you forever. And you are in, you are in their grip for

as long as they need you to be. So I think it's important for people that are looking, like when you look back at some of these head-scratching decisions that have been made by politicians, if you look back through the lens now of, hey, I wonder if that guy was being blackmailed, then a lot of these decisions start to make more sense. As an example, and I mentioned this on Sean's show, in the UK, back in the 70s, you had a guy named Ted Heath, who was prime minister, and he was working on the framework of what was going to become the EU. And I think it was the EEC. And part of what they had to do is they were trying to, when you're combining all these

countries together, you're trying to figure out how you divide up the pie. And part of one of the big assets that British had was their fishing industry. And their fishing industry accounts for like, if you combine all the countries of the EU, their fishing industry was going to represent about 77 percent. of the fishing industry. It was going to come from the UK. And during the negotiations for this, it wound up that the British, that the UK decided that they would take their cut, that would only be about 22%.

So they gave up about 50% of the fishing rights to this EEC, which would later become the EU. And the people in the UK were scratching their heads going, why would we ever do this? whose dumb idea is this? And the answer is that Ted Heath was a notorious pedophile who was being blackmailed by the German secret intelligence agencies. And the reason why that deal was so bad was because they had the goods on him. And so when you go back and you look at that, you know, the people in the UK go, oh, I get it.

Now I understand why we signed such a bad deal. but we can we can use that same way of looking at things to go back and examine some of the decisions that have been made in our own government you go why would we do that why who's who in the world would come up with this idea who would agree to this well a bunch of people that are being told they have to agree to it you know so so Epstein played a role in this as well

and his job was to go out and get as many powerful people in compromising situations and the fact that you're Bill Clinton and these guys, you know, you're supposed to be a smart guy. You're supposed to be a road scholar. And you didn't, Bill Clinton didn't just fall off a turnip truck. He knows what's up. He knows how this game works. And he still walked into that trap. I mean, talk about getting corruptible people, people that have no soul that have no, no, you know, goodness inside of them. someone like Bill Clinton couldn't help himself. He walked right into the trap, probably willingly.

Oh, well, who cares? You know, I got the goods on me. And so, you know, you start to dig back into the Monica Lewinsky stuff is starting to come up again. Like, well, you know, because we've got the Trump impeachment. You go, well, let's go back to the Monica Lewinsky impeachment. Well, how did we find out about that? Well, we found out about that because the Mossad had the White House bugged. That's how we found out about that.

Who was the connection to Bill Clinton back then? Jeffrey Epstein. So, so this is what, this is what everybody, I'm not trying to say that the Mossad is the only one doing this. Of course, the CIA and MI6 and, and, and, you know, Russia, Russia did this. They call it compromise. You know, this is, this is, the Mossad didn't invent it. The CIA didn't invent it. This has been going on for a long, long time, but you realize that, like, if you get the goods on, if you, if you get the goods on Bill Clinton while he's the president, and you get information on him that would destroy his presidency and you're the one that got it. You've got the information and you let him know that you've got it.

If you think about it, then you become president because you control him fully. And if it's pedophilia stuff, I mean, you can make him do whatever you need him to do. Do you need Obama to deliver pallets and pallets of cash to a foreign country? with no questions asked, well, just tell him he's got to do it or else. And next thing, you know, money is flowing to Iran, money is flowing to Afghanistan, money is disappearing off of the back of trucks and things like that. And you go, how is this happening? Why isn't somebody stopping this?

And the answer is because the people that are in positions of power make it happen through their controlled politicians. And these things, they're head scratchers for the rest of us. We're going, why would you do that? Why would you do that? There's a very logical explanation for it all. It's not like they just woke up and decided to do something stupid. They're being forced to do it.

And Dr. Dave Janda, who talked about this, he was a member of the House of Representatives for a period of time back in the 80s. He talked about a story about how somebody pulled him aside and said, don't go to the parties. But if you do go to the parties, don't stay for the after parties because that's where all the bad stuff goes down. You'll get you on video. Wow. So welcome to Dirty Washington, D.C., where things are happening and, you know. Oh, my God. That kills me. You know, like, all right, so Bill Clinton just can't keep his hands off, you know, what it looks good to him. I get it. I totally get it. Every time I walk into the gas station, I got to get two packs of skittles. I love skittles. I got to taste them, you know? I understand, Bill. I understand.

But if somebody cut off your skittal supply and they were like, you know, I got a bucket of a for it. I can give you a buck. I can give you as many as you need. I just need you to do this for me. You're like, you know, I mean, at some point you would go, there would be a line you wouldn't want to cross. But if you're Bill Clinton, you know, you crossed every line.

And that's the thing. I mean, like, if you get dirt on him and you say, and you show it to me, you say, hey, I got this on you for now on. I call the shots. You just shrug your shoulders and say, all right, now I got a great. like to do what I want to do because now they have the dirt on you, now you have a supplier, you know? Yeah.

And it's just like, why, you know, and so people are like, well, why would Bill Clinton go to Epstein's island and put himself in a position where they could get the dirt on him? And the answer is because they already had the dirt on him. What difference does it make at that point? Might as well get some young chicks out of it. You know, that's Bill Clinton's thinking is like, screw it. I mean, what are you going to do? You're going to, I mean, you're going to come after me for, for, for,

being on video with young girls, okay, that's fine. But you could also, you could get Bill Clinton for his drug running through Mina, Arkansas, the CIA and George H.W. Bush. You could get him for all the suicides and murders that the Clintons have ordered. You could get him for looting the, you know, looting the Arkansas Investment Authority fund that Larry Nichols set up for him. You could, you, I mean, take your, Monica Lewinsky, take your pick. I mean, Bill Clinton has done so many things wrong that what's another scandal with Jeffrey Epstein? You know what I mean? Like, to him, who cares? He's out of office. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? Ruin Bill Clinton's reputation? I mean, go for it. He doesn't, he's got a bad reputation already.

I mean, the problem is that where this gets a little murky is that, you know, people have said that, you know, that Epstein wasn't running. a hedge fund because nobody ever saw him trading, you know, his trades didn't come across the trading desks in, on Wall Street like in the same way that Bernie Madoff wasn't making any trades. And the people that work in those circles were going, you know, we wondered about Madoff because we never made any trades with him. So nobody ever did any deals with him. So we always kind of wondered about him.

And same thing when they talk about, well, what about Epstein with his hedge fund? Was he, and they go, you know, we never did it. Nobody ever did any trades with him either. So he wasn't running a hedge fund. Well, maybe he had a different version of a hedge fund, which is, I get you down to the island. You're the, let's say, you're the CEO of ExxonMobil, right? And I have you come down to the island. It's going to be a good time.

There's a bunch of, you know, powerful people here. I'm going to have a presentation by some really important. scientist that'll be kind of interesting for you to hear. And by the way, you know, there's just a bunch of girls around. And so you get this guy on video screwing around with a 15-year-old girl, let's say. You've got the goods on him. Now, you can do a couple of things with that. Yes, he's not a politician. So maybe you can't get him to vote your way in a UN resolution like the way you could with somebody else. But you've got a different plan for this guy. Maybe you say to him, Okay, look, there's a video of you with this girl, and it will remain hidden out of sight as long as you give me the information.

I want to know what sort of acquisitions ExxonMobil has coming up in the next year. Oh, you're going to buy this oil company. You're going to buy this little one. You're going to buy, you're going to buy some obscure oil company in Kazakhstan. Great. okay, I need that information. I'll buy up as many shares as I can in advance of that. And then, boom, you're going to make the announcement that you're buying this company. And I've made $40, $50 million on that.

So you could blackmail these guys to give you information to inside trade on. You could also do something along the lines of, you know, look, I'm not going to take all your money, but I'm going to manage your money. You're going to give me a billion dollars. You've got some billionaire on, you've got Ron Burkle, let's say. from UKIPA, the supermarket magnet who's a legendary scumbag in his own right. You've got him on camera doing something he shouldn't do, and he's got, you know, $10 billion. You say, well, listen, put a billion dollars into my hedge fund. I'm going to manage it for you. I'm going to take my typical 2% management fee plus 20% of the profits every year, and he just sticks his money in a

mutual fund. He sticks a billion dollars in a mutual fund and makes, you know, 20 million on the per year plus a percentage of the profits. So he could be running his own dirty, weird version of a hedge fund that would not require him to interact with people on Wall Street. In fact, he wouldn't be telling anybody what he was doing. He would just quietly be managing the money of people that he's ensnared in his spider web. So there's a variety of ways that this guy could have been making money. It could be working, you know, it could be that the politics aspects, that politicians, he does that on behalf of the intelligence agencies. He gets them in trap.

But the CEOs, that could be just for his own financial benefit as well. I find this interesting that, you know, there is that avenue of how he could operate because I know that you have not only politicians and, you know, leaders of different organizations that were involved with him, but you also have people like, shoot, I forget. name, but you have different people from Hollywood that were, you know, involved with Jeffrey Epstein. And it just makes you realize how deep, to, you know, kind of steal the imagery from your book and stuff, the tentacles go. Like, they really reach into all these different aspects of, of our lives. And it's for what? For something that's purely evil at root. I mean, I think that

it, for me and being who I am, I look at things maybe a little bit different than it's something. people, but I believe that this, yes, child sex slavery is evil, it's wrong, but I think it's even deeper than that. I think at its very core, it has a satanic element to it. Yes. Oh, you agree with me? That's great. I do.

I do. I do agree with you. There is a part. When Donald Trump was elected president, Newt Gingrich made a comment that. that I found fascinating. And I don't typically find anything new, Gingrich says, to be fascinating. But this was one, I made an exception for this. Because he said, he said, Donald Trump's going to have a real problem in Washington.

And the interviewer said, well, why is that? And he says, well, because he's not one of them. He's not, he's not in the, he's not in the group. He's not a member of the secret societies. Yes. That's what he said. And I know that a lot of people will roll their eyes at the secret society aspect of this, but it is very real. It is very much a part of it. It is a satan. So I know that I know that you're

Christian. I know that you're, that's part of who you are. That's kind of your upbringing. For me, I wasn't, I wasn't raised religious. I'm, you know, I'm like kind of got that that old spiel where it's like spiritual, but not religious, you know, but I like, I like doing mushrooms and I like explain. I like that, you know, the universe is a fascinating place. I don't know all the answers. I I think, you know, I'm open to a lot of different interpretations of what's going on, what happened to when we die and all these things. You know, but so I'm not, I don't, I don't come at this as somebody that is tied to one religion or the other.

So when I say that these people are satanic, I mean it literally, they, they are part of the Luciferian satanic group of people that are running this world. It's very real to them. And a lot of us can be dismissive and go, oh, that's crazy or whatever. Well, listen, it, you know, oh, they're doing rituals and they're Moloch and they've got Bohemian Grove and they're doing all, you know, all that stuff. Oh, those guys, you know, give me a break. Well, listen. It matters to them.

it's important to them. It's a part of what they believe. Whether we believe it, whether I believe it or not, whether, you know, that is irrelevant because to them it's real. And they are getting their powers from this. You talk, you know, now we're starting to get into this really dark stuff where you're talking about, you know, what were they doing with the kids? And then you've got a dream of chrome and then you've got sacrifices.

And people tend to get a little, you know, if you go down that path too much with them, People can kind of get a little dismissive of it, but it's like, well, let me remind you what the Mayans were doing, right? These people didn't invite, invent child sacrifices and things like that. Like this is something that we've learned in our history books. There is a sliver of society that believes that this is the way that you consolidate power, that you get power from something beyond. Now, you can, you know, some people talk about, you know, it's this good versus evil. It's God versus the devil. It's what.

These people are into some very, very dark things. And when you talked about Hollywood, there's a connection there because Hollywood is real deep into that. It's one of the biggest secrets, you know, out there. Corey Feldman, to his credit, say what you want about him, you know, he almost spilled the beans on it. You know, he kind of came out and said, you know, that pedophilia is part of this. And it's not pedophilia on its own necessarily.

It's pedophilia in conjunction with their religion. And they're tied together. The Vatican has some big problems. They've got problems with the Ninth Circle and child sacrificial satanic cults and where everything gets inverted and the people that you think are the good guys are actually the bad guys and all this madness. And Epstein and these people, they had ties to a lot of people. that are Luciferians.

It's a fact. It's not even debatable. There's a common denominator there, and it's very dark, you know, and I understand if people don't want to go down this path and think about it because, you know, to think about some of these things is to think about some of the worst, some of the worst aspects of humanity. But we kind of, you know, we maybe not dwell on it, but we do have to, acknowledge it to an extent so that we're aware of what's happening. It doesn't do us any good to bury our head in the sand, pretend like it's not there. I mean, like I said, I don't, I don't think

people need to dwell on it and just get super focused on it. But we do need to acknowledge that that is one of the components of this whole thing. It is, it is sexual blackmail. It is sex with children. It is trafficking children. It is organ harvesting children and adults. And it is ritual sacrifice. And that is tough for a lot of people to wrap their heads around because you just don't want to even think about that sort of stuff, especially tied to people that you respect or you recognize on your television. But it's real and it's part of it. And you mentioned that you had a conversation with Larry Johnson. And I'm sure Larry Johnson could tell you that this is not in his imagination.

It's not in, it's not just in his head. It's not just speculation and rumors. There's, there's truth to this. And it's, it's hidden because you would hide it. You know, obviously, if you were into this, you would have the incentive to keep this buried. But when they get together, it's that George Carlin line, right? It's a big club and you ain't in it. And this is what Newt Gingrich was talking about.

Yeah. And, you know, just for everybody. to know, I am going to be coming out with the Larry Johnson interview. Thanks a lot, Charlie, you spoiled it. Sorry. It's fun. We were talking about it. We were talking about it off air, Charlie, off air. It's fine. It's fun. No, it's fine. Yeah, but we do have an interview coming up with Charlie, or not Charlie, we're doing Charlie now. Larry Johnson, the first Tuesday of January will be releasing that. So you guys can look forward to that. And like I said on the tinfoil hat show this past week, it doesn't matter. Like, I understand that this is hard for some people to believe, you know, especially

that the satanic element of it and stuff and how deep that goes. And some people hear me say things or they'll hear you say something. And they're like, no way. I don't believe that. And it's fine. You don't have to believe it. The thing that you have to understand is it literally doesn't matter what you believe. They don't care.

I don't care. I really don't care what anybody believes. I know what I believe. but they don't care what you believe. They know what they believe and they're pursuing things within their own belief system. So if you don't believe it, great. That's actually good for them. Yeah, you're the disadvantage. If you think that this is just a bunch of conspiracy theorists just making this up. And, you know, I understand it sounds dark. I understand it sounds crazy. If you don't think that this stuff sounds crazy, then that's crazy.

Because it is, it's the darkest, you know, as people with, you know, people, you know, we're normal people. We're good people. We don't want, we want the best for everyone. We're not out to hurt people. So for our brains to try and wrap around this way of thinking, it's very difficult. we're at a disadvantage. And that is how they would prefer it. You know, that this stuff is all, oh, you guys are out there thinking, you know, you're talking about this stuff.

This is crazy. You've been watching too many movies or this, you've been reading too many science fiction books or something like that. They would prefer that that's how we think about this stuff. But it's difficult for good people like us to even imagine doing something like that to a child. Or to somebody else, somebody that is your political rival to have them blow up in a plane crash. These guys don't think that. They're not. The thing about psychopathic people is that there's no governor on their brain.

There's no threshold where they go, maybe I shouldn't be doing this. Or maybe this is going to hurt somebody else. When you remove that empathy, that component to somebody's personality that has empathy or the ability to feel other people's pain or to put yourself in their shoes, when you take that away from somebody, it frees you up to commit unspeakable things because you cannot and do not care what other people think.

And so to me, that would make my life not worth living. You know, if I didn't have the ability, if I didn't have empathy, it would make my life hollow and worthless and pointless. But to them, that's just the way they are. That's how they grew up. This is a statistical, you know, you've got statistics showing the percentage of psychopaths operating in public. It's, you know, three, four percent from some of the numbers I've read.

That turns out to be millions and millions of people just in the United States. Take that number and expand it to the planet. So just because you're not a crazy person, an evil person, doesn't mean that other people aren't. And we wind up putting ourselves in a disadvantage when we make the assumption that just because we're good people, everyone else are good people, that is dangerous. It would be nice. It would be nice if everybody was. And most people are, but not everybody. And for those psychopathic people, when you come across them, when you meet them, have you ever met somebody that you're just like, whoa, I get a really, I can't put my finger on it, but I get a bad vibe from that guy, you know, that's part of this.

There are people out there that are monsters, and we have to remember that. We don't have to fear that. I mean, we don't have to operate from a sense of fear, but we do have to acknowledge. We have to watch them. You know, you have to be careful about that and who you associate with. And those people that are psychopathic and lack empathy, they tend to find that, they tend to gravitate towards positions of power as well, because part of what makes them tick is wanting to control other people. And so, you know, you go, God, you know, maybe from a statistical

standpoint, let's say that the number is 3% of the population are psychopaths where you get to Washington, D.C., and you realize that it's like 90%. And you're like, well, that's really weird. Well, it's not that weird if you think about it, because if you're a psychopath, you're going to find yourself gravitating towards a position where you can control other people. If you're a pedophile, You're going to be looking for looking to go where the hunting's good. And people will say, well, it's really weird that all these Boy Scout troop leaders turn out to be pedophiles. It's like, well, it's not the job of being a Boy Scout troop leader that turns somebody into a pedophile. It's that pedophiles go where the hunting's good.

They're tracking. And you would go to become the head of a Boy Scout troop. You know, you would do that. Or you'd be this little league coach or you'd find your, you'd be the wrestling. coach like, you know, like Dennis Hastert was for 40 years raping his wrestling kids. You know, you, you, you, it's not the job that makes you with a pedophile. It's that the pedophiles look for the jobs that put them in a position to have access to kids and things like that. So just like Sandusky, you know, Sandusky at Penn State. Exactly. I mean, he, he created an environment

around himself that was conducive to him being around small little children for a long time. And then, you know, obviously that got the whole roof blown off. I'd be remiss, Charlie, if I didn't bring up Prince Andrew in this whole thing. I mean, he's such a big piece. And that's what I mean when I said earlier, we're going to have to have you back on throughout the show's existence because there's just so much information we could talk about. But Prince Andrew, he is clearly guilty of being involved with Epstein on so many different levels. And it just shows like you have all these, before this whole thing happen. People, you know, always speculating and said that the royals are inbred lizard people, that they are evil, this, that, and the other. And then this drops and it's like, well, it doesn't

do anything for your case. I'll tell you that much. Yeah. Well, if people are saying, if they think that this is a one-off case with Prince Andrew, the royal family itself, I mean, that's a whole different show we could get into. But if you just go back a couple decades, you'll find, that the royal family had a guy named Jimmy Saville very closely involved with them. Jimmy Saville was like, for us in America, it'd be like the equivalent of Dick Clark. Somebody that was, he had a show called Top of the Pops in the UK. He was on BBC One. He had radio shows. He was a DJ. He was, he had a show called Jim Will Fix It, where he went around and made wish, you know, kids would send in letters saying, you know, Jim, I'm really in a bad spot. I don't have any.

I don't have clothes or I don't have any shoes. My family's so poor and blah, blah, blah. And Jim would show up and he would fix this problem for them, right? He was a notorious pedophile. 40 years plus. They had been on to him for a long, long time. Who was his closest ally, the royal family. He was brought, when Prince Charles and Princess Diana were having marital problems,

The person brought in to facilitate this was Jimmy Sable. So when people were talking about Prince Andrews' relationship to Jeffrey Epstein and the queen is saying, well, you know, you shouldn't have had that association with, spare us. Just stop right there. Because the royal family has been surrounded by pedophiles for as long as I can remember. As long as Lord Mountbatten was a notorious pedophile. He was Prince Charles' uncle. It's what they do. They are part of this.

So for Prince Andrew to have to be friends with a child trafficking pedophile like Jeffrey Epstein might be surprising to some people that don't know the history of the Royals. But for the people that have been, that know about who they are, what they've done, who they have associated with for decades and decades. This is just one in a string of pedophiles that they have led into their inner circle. And the reason is that they are maniacs. You know, the royal families are, oh, well, they're the British royal family. They're Germans.

They're literally Germans. Their bloodline is German. Prince Philip, who's married to the queen, was a Nazi. There's pictures of him walking. through the streets in his Nazi uniform. You know why Prince Harry wanted to dress up like a Nazi? And everyone freaked out about that. Yeah, you probably shouldn't do it.

But it's not like he's getting too far off the reservation. His grandfather was a Nazi. This is who they were the bowers. You know, this is this is the, this is the Saxe Coburn Gotha bloodline. And so you look at Prince Philip, or Prince Andrew, I should say. and everyone's scratching their heads going, what a dope this guy is. He's a terrible liar.

He's clearly involved in this. And Randy Andy and all these things that they're, and they're kind of letting him off the hook a little bit like, hey, you shouldn't have been fooling around with this 17-year-old girl. Well, look, it goes deeper than that. That family has been tied to pedophilia for decades and decades. And my guess is that it will continue beyond that because they are,

part of the Luciferian underworld that runs this world. And, you know, they're knee-deep in it. All right. So we have a satanic pedophile elitist running our world. And I want to just run through some numbers real quick to you to kind of make a point here. Australia, 20,000 children were reported missing every year. Canada, 45,000 missing every year. Germany. 100,000 children reported missing every year. India, 96,000 children reporting missing every year. Jamaica, 1900 reported in 2015. Russia, 45,000 reported in 2015. Spain, 20,000 children reported missing every year. In the United Kingdom, 112,000 reported missing every year. In the United States, 46,000 children are reported missing every year.

That's a lot of children globally in just these countries that are going missing every year. What are the, what do you think are the odds that a good chunk of the missing children in these lists are from child sex trafficking? Oh, hi. Very high. I mean, the, we talked about sort of inverting, you know, what, you know, the truth. is lies and lies are the truth. What you get, these,

the care home, like in the United Kingdom, the care homes, the places that you would, you know, orphanages and places like that. That's where kids go missing out of their, all the time. They're taken into foster homes.

Foster children go missing all the time. You talk about not to, well, that's kind of off topic a little bit, but, but, go ahead. After the Haitian earthquake, a lady named Laura Silsby was arrested for trying to steal 33 Haitian children. She said that they were orphans and that she was taking that they were adopting them out to foreign countries. The problem is that their parents, they weren't orphans, their parents were very much alive. They've been looking for them. They finally found that she was, she was in prison in Haiti.

for this. She's an American, by the way. And it took a personal visit from Bill Clinton himself to get Laura Sillsby out of jail in Haiti. Look at that. Yeah, what a surprise. And where did she go? She went back to the United States, changed her last name, and got a job working for the Amber Alert System, the company that alerts people when children go missing. So what are we doing here? You know, this is, it happens in the United States as well. You hear about foster care being just awful gladiator school for kids. You know what I mean? They, they, child protective services.

And who put the law in place that offered, that pays a $4,000 bounty for each kid that is adopted out through child protective services? Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton is so deep in child trafficking that it's hard to understand why that guy is still allowed to walk the earth. He's so dirty. And Hillary, of course, is no better. But these people are all working in conjunction, the common thread that ties them all together. pedophilia. It's horrifying, but the, you know, I don't know about you, but I don't have any friends that are pedophiles, but the Clinton's sure do. You've got John Podesta, Tony Podesta,

Anthony Weiner. I mean, you name it. Jeffrey Epstein, there's certainly a whole Ed Buck. There's a lot of people tied to the Clintons that just also have. to be hardcore pedophiles. And that's not an accident. This is, you know, you're, you're known by the company you keep, right? This is, this is their circle of friends. And this is what they're into. And those numbers about the kids disappearing from these foreign countries, this is not an America-specific problem. This is a global trafficking. And, you know, one of the organizations that has been exposed as being knee-deep in child trafficking worldwide is the Vatican. They're, they're, they obviously they've paid out, in the United States, they paid out

over $4 billion to settle sexual assault charges against priests and things like that. So, so you know that they're obviously up to no good, but they're also deeply involved in the child sex trafficking internationally. It's reprehensible and disgusting. And I feel like for people, if you're Catholic and you're just a good person and you're just, you're going on Sunday and you go to church and you want to support your church and you want to support the people in your church and all this. And you give money every Sunday. Like at what point do you stop and take a step back and realize, you know, this money is going to fund payouts to children that have been raped by these maniacs? Like maybe we should withhold some of the money. Maybe we should not enable these people.

It's a really dark, it's a dark topic, man. It's something that makes your soul hurt when you think about it and that there's people out there and you want to stop it. You don't know where to stop it because you don't even know how to stop it or who's involved and how far up the ladder does it go. Well, the answer is it goes further than most people think. It goes to levels that you don't even know exist. It does. That's a really, really good way of putting it. It goes to levels that you don't even know exist.

that's that's that's that's you nail it it's like you know and i know that our audience it's a very broad audience so you know we have obviously because i'm a christian we do attract christian people to listen to show but we also have satanist listening to show we have republican democrat the wide range and for for people that are listening uh i would just say that um one i want to say which i've said before in the show and you know just reminding you i don't hold any political affiliation to any one particular group on Team Tony. I don't care. I think they're all dirty people. And Charlie, from hearing you talk and stuff, it sounds like you're along those same lines. Yeah, yeah, I'm not on the red team or the blue team. I'm sitting up in the stands throwing

rocks at both of them. Yeah, we hate the game. We hate the game. But we're locked into the stadium. We're locked in the stadium to force to watch the game. So we're making like Philadelphia Eagle fans back in the 60s and we're booing Santa. throwing batteries in. Those are my people. Those are my people. But I will say this, though. I mean, because you brought this up about how people, I mean, it's like how many times do you have to see that, you know, the Clintons or whoever are associated with pedophiles? And it's like, it really is like, these are very important people in culture, society, politics. They vet people. Like, I couldn't just

walk up to any of these people and just hold a conversation with. them. But everybody that's in their circle is vetted. They know the details of everybody's life before that they work closely with them because of who they are. So it's not a situation where you can say, well, I mean, they know a lot of people. So chances are that there are a lot of discussing people in this world, chances are they're going to cross paths with those people. Yes, that's true on the odds game. But the fact of the matter is, if they're close and working with these people like they are, the Podesta brothers, Epstein, like these are people that they work closely with. They've vetted them. They know every detail about their life. They, and they know, they know that Epstein was in jail

for pedophilia. They knew he was a sex offender, registered sex offender, yet they chose to still associate with him after the first time around. That's because they don't care. No, that's because that's, that's who they are too. This is, they're not, they don't look at those people as, I mean, they don't want you to know that they're, that these are pedophiles that they're friends with. But, you know, is Hillary Clinton going to turn down, Harvey Weinstein's money that he bundled from a bunch of maniacs in Hollywood for her campaign? Absolutely not. What they asked,

they even asked him, are you going to, to the Clinton Foundation, are you going to give the money back that Harvey Weinstein gave to you? Their response was, no, no, we're not.

So, I mean, they don't care. And now as it goes, one of the things that I think that, you know, maybe just kind of a fun, fun,

interesting game for people to play. And you see this, Where I see this more so than anywhere is with Hillary Clinton in particular. And that is what she does in the media. What she does is called projection. It's just classic like psychology 101. Project onto your enemy that which you yourself are guilty of. So when she's screaming at the top of her lungs about Russia, Russia, Russia,

doing this and that, she's projecting that onto Donald Trump. And I'm not going to get it. We don't need to get into the Trump, you know, pro-Trump, anti-Trump, whatever. But I'm just saying that Hillary Clinton's husband bill took half a million dollars to give a speech at a Russian bank that was on the sanctions list for the State Department. After that speech was given, Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State removed that bank from the sanctions list. So, you know, she's talking about how awful Russia is. Well, if they're so awful, why did the Clinton Foundation do a deal with uranium one in which they were paid over $140 million from the Russians? The answer is that Russia is not the problem.

You understand? The Clintons are the problem. They're projecting it. They're projecting the things that they have done onto their enemy. It's actually, it's a great strategy from it's a, it's a Solowinsky school of, you know, rules for radicals, you know, doing. things like this. Solalinsky, there's a story about some guys going to him saying, you know, we really want to protest this, some politician, some political guy was going to have a rally.

And they wanted to go protest this rally. And so they asked him, you know, what's the best way, you know, we're going to go down there with our signs and everything. What's the best what should we put on our signs to protest? He goes, no, no, no, don't do it that way. Don't do it that way. Go to the rally dressed as the Ku Klux Klan. And every time the guy says something you disagree with, just start applauding.

Just applaud, applaud with him. And tie that candidate that you hate, that you want to protest, tie him to you dressed of the KKK. And I was like, oh, my God, that's genius. That's such a, that's such a smart plan. And then you see the Charlottesville thing where the KKK is out there and everything. And it's like, okay, well, they're just pulling this straight out of the playbook. They're not even changing it. So part of these things, this projection and these political dirty tricks,

it's fascinating to watch from like just as an observer. I mean, the downside is that it affects our world. It affects us personally, you know, all these things. So you don't really want them to succeed. But if you're just objective and you're just watching it as far as strategy and how they handle things, once again, you know, you've got to give them credit for being clever and for thinking outside of the box and for doing things in a way that really, really confused. uses people. It really, really gets in, so when the Clintons go on the attack, Russia

hacked the election, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia doesn't. Listen, man, if Russia had to pick between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, they would have picked Hillary Clinton because they had already been doing business with the Clintons for years and years and years. Like, this is what doesn't make sense to me when people have this argument about it. So I feel like it, like in this current media environment, which is, I mean, it's as crazy as it gets, right? Up is down. Fact is fiction. Fiction is fact. You know, fake news. Everybody's fake news. Everybody's anti-Semitic. Everybody's racist, you know. It's just the medium manipulating people to get just pushing our buttons. And boy, they do it. It works for me. I'll tell you, it gets me fired up. But it's fascinating.

If we take a step back, like if we're like anthropologists, you know, like looking at this society going, hmm, I wonder how they worked. Well, how they work. The core way that our government system works is through fraud, deception, and blackmail, you know, and massive amounts of lies and using the media to smear one person or say, you know, it's fascinating to watch how our society has turned out. But it's obviously devastating as well because the good people have no voice. The bad people or the inmates are running the asylum. And if we all are certain scratch your heads going, it feels like it's getting crazier out there. I feel like the answer is, yeah, that's because it is. It's getting crazier.

But part of the reason why I feel like it's getting crazy is because I also feel like the people that are in positions of power are desperate. because their plans are getting exposed. Their methods are being exposed. When you're able to call their shot before it happens, you're able to say they're going to do this next and then they do it. Ooh, that's very powerful. That takes their power away when you can say, I predict that this is going to happen next.

They go, are you psychic? And you're like, I don't need to be psychic. I know the plan. I know what plays they're running. I'm the defensive coordinator that sees how they're lined up on offense. And I go, when they line up like this, they're going to do this, this, and this. So when you start to see the projection, when you start to see Hillary Clinton saying things like, you know, people are telling me, I'm having a lot of people telling me that I should get into the race. That's a signal.

She's getting into the race. She's coming. You know, so it's interesting for us. You're going out there and you're saying she's coming into the race. I'm saying that as of the recording of this on December 15th. that Hillary Clinton's coming into the race. Absolutely. All right. And I'm saying, and I hope she doesn't, as much as I would love to see her lose again because

I have no respect for her. I also am respectful of the fact that they have dirty tricks that they haven't used yet and they have strategies that they are willing to put in place that, you know, anything, anything's liable to happen. So on the one hand, I kind of say, oh, let her run. You know, I want her to get beat, not because I'm a Trump fan, but just because I want her to lose for the third time. in the world to remember her as being the worst possible candidate, you know, that ever ran for president.

But I also, and the flip side to that is I don't want her to run for president because I know that they are liable to do just about anything to put her in office, including, you know, anything, anything, you know, we'll leave that what it is, whether it's rigging, voting machines, bribing people, assassinations. there's no barrier when it comes to them. So yeah, I think she's running because I think that she's got this opportunity where the field's weak. Nobody is very enthusiastic about anybody. Joe Biden. Yeah, Joe Biden. I mean, if Joe Biden is leading the race, then it's time. You know, then you know that Hillary is going to be coming in because that's a weak field.

So I don't know. I hope it's not, I hope I'm wrong. I really hope I'm wrong, but unfortunately, I'm looking at these signs and I'm going, this is what you would be doing. This is how you would be orchestrating things if you were plotting to come in. So we'll see how it turns out. Yeah, we'll see how it turns out. If you're wrong, we're going to bring you back on the show. We're going to throw eggs at you. No, that's fine. I hope I'm wrong. I don't want these people, this Clinton crime family. And I know, and I'm not in it. And to be fair to the people out there that are going, what about the Trump crime family? The Trump crime family are a bunch of amateurs compared to the Clintons. Okay, they, the Clintons know, they learned the ropes from the bushes. They, they have, they have real power. The trumps are like the clampants, you know, sort of like this white trashy, white trash with cash family that's got a bunch of money, but they don't have the, they don't have the game, they don't have the strategy like the Clintons do. The Clintons are scary, a bunch of people, and their associates. I shouldn't

just, just say them, but you know what I mean, the pedestos and their ties to all these people. They're not, they're not good people. They don't want the best for the country. I'm sorry. I, look, I'm all for having the first female president, just, not Hillary Clinton, please. God's sake. I'll tell you why, as we wrap this down to kind of just throw out another name, I guess. I've said this before. I don't know if I've said it publicly.

I know I've talked to other people. I know I've mentioned my wife several times. On the Democratic side, I would love to see Tulsi Gabbard get the nod because if the way I look at is this. I don't want somebody like on a Democrat team. Like, if I was cheering for Trump, I'm not going to be like, oh, I want so and so because I know Trump can beat that person. I want the best candidate for each party and let's see where it goes.

And so since we know we got Trump, I would like Tulsa Gabbard because I think Tulsa Gabbard, if she were to win, would at least have pure motives going into this as far as I know. I feel the same way. I feel the same way. I understand she's a member of the Council in Foreign Relations. That gives me pause. I do like the fact that she has been in the military because she will then understand that war is horrible. We're very, you know, we're very sort of casual about it in the United States.

Like, oh, we're going to order sanctions. We're going to order in no fly zones and we're going to impose sanctions and we're going to have drone strikes. And all these things are very sterile, you know, very hands off, you know, very from a distance. But for someone that's actually been in combat, I have not. I have not, I was not in the military. I'm not, I'm very grateful that I haven't been put in a situation where bombs are going off around me. But for somebody that has, that makes the war very real to them in a way that it can't ever be for somebody else. So I like Tulsi for that position as well. I think that would be great.

Now, could she stop all the wars without getting herself killed by the military industrial complex? Probably not. You know, this is, you know, I acknowledge that these power systems are very difficult to dismantle. That's what they call the permanent state, right? The CIA, FBI military contract, you know, large Halliburton, Bechtel, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, places like that, they're always in power. The presidents, Congress, comes and goes, but those people and those companies and those organizations, they remain in power long after that. So I would like, I'd like to see Tulsi give it a shot. I like to see somebody wind down all these wars.

But I do acknowledge that in order to do that, you would have to go up against some very powerful people that can either, you know, give you the silver or the lead. And I'd like to think that she would have everybody's best interest in mine. But I also am realistic enough to know that once you get put in that position of president, it all changes. It all changes. And you also have to take into consideration your own life. well-being, your family's life, because airplanes blow up all the time. You know, you want to make sure your family's not on it. Absolutely. Well, Charlie, listen, man, I appreciate you coming on and talk with me. I know we were jumping around on a lot of different topics, and it's just because there's so

much information out there to cover. But hopefully people are interested to hear more about what you have to say and check out your book because your book has a lot of information. Before we get out of here, could you share with people just one more time where they can get your book and maybe even contact you on social media. Sure. Yeah, I'm on Facebook and Twitter for as long as I'm on there today. You know, no guarantees I'll be on there tomorrow or a week from that. What are you saying? I keep going, I keep going in and out of Twitter jail and Facebook jail. You know, it's funny for posts from like 2017. Really? They sort of retroactively go through my stuff and find stuff and then they put me in a 30-day Facebook jail. They're giving you the Kevin Hart treatment.

Yeah, they're going back and going through everything that I've ever said. And if it happens to, you know, to be a topic that is a little bit too, you know, sensitive for them, then boom, I get slapped in just. But you can find me on Facebook and you can find me on Twitter for a while. And my website is the octopus of global control.com. There's links there. like I said, if people want to buy the digital version of the book, you know, get it, get it there. It's easier. I just email it to you.

And if you want the paperback version, it's available at Amazon and Barnes & Noble. Awesome, man. Awesome. Yeah, I tell people all the time, you got to, you know, subscribe to my newsletter, sign up for my text message community because you just never know when they decide that you said something or did something to be kicked off a platform. and I'm here today and tomorrow Apple kicks me off of their platform. And I know last time I checked it was like Apple gave me like 70% of the people of my listening audience. So like if Apple got rid of me, then, you know, a lot of the really like what happened to Merkel.

Yeah, well, it's not, it's, it's smart of you to set up an alternative platform, you know, through your website for people that want to stay in touch with you that way. Because, yeah, like you said, it just takes one decision. I mean, you're, you're not Alex Jones, but we did see what happened to Alex Jones when Twitter and Facebook just banned him all in the same day. So obviously there's coordination, the social media companies, and that's a different topic for another day. But their association with the Atlantic Council and German Marshall Fund and Council

and Foreign Relations and places like that, that they're given instructions the same way that these politicians are given instructions. This guy's got to go. This person can stay, you know, and that's a slippery slope. and for you to have the foresight to sort of plan your life. It's so that it's not totally dependent on that is obviously a smart thing to do. 100%. And that's why I always tell people, you know, my website's my main hub.

Sign up from the newsletter, text message community. You can be in touch with me if you want to be. Charlie, thanks for being here, man. Thanks for having me. Talk to you soon. Well, that's a show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please go ahead and share this show with your friends,

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