The Confessionals - RELOADED | 224: Pennsylvania's D.U.M.B. - Raven Rock

Episode Date: January 23, 2023

In Episode 224: Pennsylvania's D.U.M.B. | Raven Rock, we talk with guest Merle, who has spent four years of his life commuting in and out of a Pennsylvanian deep underground military base known as Raven Rock. Merle was contracted in as a truck driver, and - although he didn't gain access to the secretive fifth level of Raven Rock - he had some very strange experiences in the complex, especially with a human hybrid named "Thom." After detailing his experiences inside Raven Rock, Merle describes to Tony his experience seeing the same exact UFO that Tony also witnessed while driving down the turnpike one night, just outside of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.NEW LOGO PRE-SALE: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/storeBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinGet Crypto-Color (Coloring Book):Non-Signed Copy: https://amzn.to/3Yn23RlSigned Copy: https://www.merkel.media/store/p/cryptocolorWatch Expedition Dogman: https://amzn.to/3OVyUs6Tony's Studio Equipment: linktr.ee/mystudiogearSPONSORSGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5GET ExpressVPN: www.expressvpn.com/confessCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaITikTok: @theconfessionalsDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvet

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curl up to grab it and then disappear when he came over to me dude he slithered over to me giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen and he starts running and firing at this giant With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. It spears, Dan, holds them up like this.

Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. And I look over, and there are two getting pulled off the best bush, and couldn't breathe, and I couldn't move. Because I know I'm seeing a monster. Okay, I reloaded. Welcome to the show, everybody you're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story you like to share with me on the show,

go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionals at the Confessionalspodcast.com. That's The Confessionals at the Confessionalspodcast.com. Or go to the website, the confessionalspodcast. Hit the contact section and you can reach me that way as well. Either way it works for me, just get a hold of me. If you want more of the show on a weekly basis every Thursday, we release a bonus extra episode for the members only on the website. So if that's interest you go to the website the confessionalspodcast.com hit the join button and become a member today. Now this week we have a great show coming up. We have Merle coming on the show and Merle's an interesting guy because he actually is a fellow trucker like myself and he contacted me and told me he had some

experiences with an underground military base in Pennsylvania, but that's all he would tell me over email. And so when I called him, I had no idea what we were going to get into, but we actually got into an underground military base that I knew about and we had a good conversation. about him working in there as a truck driver. It was a very interesting conversation. Then after that, he talks to me about some things that he has seen in the sky that has confirmed some things that I have told you I've seen in the sky. And we're going to get into it right now.

All right, today we got a great guest coming on the show. Merle, how you doing, man? Good. How about yourself, Tony? I'm doing good, man. So you're a fellow Pennsylvaniaan, yeah? Yes, I am. I live in a town called New Bloomfield.

It's about 30 miles north of Harrisburg. Okay. You said 30 miles north? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Northwest, yeah. Gotcha.

So that's from where you're at to Williamsport, where the Little League World Series is probably what, an hour drive? Yeah, exactly. Allen, five minutes. Gotcha. From South Williamsport, yep. Yeah. Go up there every year.

Oh, do you? I mean, it's really the only time that you're going to have Williamsport, Pennsylvania, be on a national, global spotlight, right? I mean, it's so funny that that small little area gets so much attention on ESPN and stuff every year. But I bet it's good for the economy, so good for them. It is. So listen, Merrill, you have some different experiences here. We're going to talk about some paranormal stuff later.

But what we want to start off with is the deep underground military bases, also known as Dums, in Pennsylvania. Now, before you get going on anything that you've experienced, I want to let the audience know that when you, emailed us. You told us that, you know, you have these experiences, but you didn't get into details, and you don't want to get into details on the email. You wanted to do this, you know, over for the recording itself. And so I understand that, but I want to let people know that what you're going to tell us and stuff is something that I have, I have no idea where this is going, but the fact that we're going to be talking about deep underground military bases, I am always down for that. I've talked about it on the show before as far as my interest in these things, especially in

Pennsylvania, and I'm just interested to hear what you had to say. So what is your knowledge? What is your experience with these things, man? Okay. Well, to start off with, I was working for a trucking company, a national known truck company. Can I say who it was? Oh, for sure. Old Dominion Freight Line. Okay, LTO. And I, yeah, and I worked for them for about three years before this happened. I was I was basically summons to my boss's office

one day and we went into a conference room. There was two guys sitting across from me and they didn't ask me, they told me. They said you're going to be doing this run starting next Monday. I would they said

this is your route. They read me everything. They said this is how you go down. You have any. issues this is the number you call this the contact that you get to get a hold of do this immediately don't stop don't do nothing and i and they they knew more about me than i knew about them and i didn't understand this at the time and i didn't understand what i was getting myself into either i didn't know that and the place i was going to was called um it was called by two different

names it was either raven rock or sight or oh my gosh All right, before you go any further, my friend, you and I talked before we started recording, and I told you about two other people that contacted me about this location, it was Raven Rock, and it was SiteR. They both referred to it as SiteR, and they both worked inside, and one of the guys actually works in the Pentagon and was, I guess, operating somewhere in Site R during 9-11. Five levels below the ground. I'm telling you, man, I had a feeling you were to say this. I got chills.

I'm excited. Go for it, brother. Okay. Now, when, when, when, when, when I, I didn't, I didn't have much of an option to agree to it. They told me what I was doing. And I, you know, and I was in the job trucking industry, you just do as you're told. I didn't understand what I was getting myself into, like I said before. I got there, okay?

I had to pull in, pull into a, it was like a garage. I had a concrete billabong to where I couldn't just drive through. That billabong would stop me. I got out. Now, this happened every time that I went in there. Okay. I would get out. I would pop my hood.

I'd open up all my doors. I never opened up to the trailer door I never knew for four years I never knew what I was holding in there never seen it nothing okay I was not allowed to take a radio in a CB cell phone

no electronics no GPS no nothing I had to leave that all outside if I even carried it now when I got there they would they would do the the mirrors underneath the trailer and everything. Then they'd come by with wipes.

And they would take like a rag and they'd wipe my truck in certain areas. I don't know what they're looking for. I, you know, but that was the initial process. Once they did the inspection of my truck, I'd have an armed guard. He had a Mac 4, I guess that's what they call it, an M4. And a nine millimeter armed. Now, there was, he was sitting next to me in the passenger seat.

We had an MP. Actually, it was a Pentagon Police, Capitol Police. He would escort us down to the door. The door would open. It was a, I don't know what kind of, I think it might have been like steel or metal or, it may have been led, but it was about a foot and a half thick. and I backed into this tunnel into the mountain into a mountain and I'd get back about 30 feet no probably about 50 feet about the length of the truck and it would open up to a two-bay

loading dock and I could hit one of those dogs I was inside the mountain and when that door shut for the first time the guy my armed guard looked at me and said You're a lucky man. I said, why am I a lucky man? He goes, because if the shit goes down right now, you're the one that's going to live. I said, really? I said, I didn't ask no questions because I was a little intimidated at first. Okay, because I'm backing into a mountain and I know it's military base.

They said, come with me. Well, we walked down the hall. We went to the cafeteria. This was every day that we did this. In the cafeteria, there was a little lounge area where you can watch TV and things. And that's where we would hang out at. I was there all day. I was there eight hours all day.

Okay. And when I was walking down for the first time, I've seen this, it was like a fish pond. Okay. There was water running into it, and there was fish in it and stuff. And I didn't understand what that was. But here, they explained to me it was called, um, aquaponics and I and back down I this was no you got to realize trying this was like 12 years ago 15 years ago that this happened aquaponics was not even on the charts at the time

that's where fish fertilized plants and they just filtered the water down through it's a sand base it's a sand based um a sand base filter filtration for the plants and the fish poop would fertilize the plants and that's how they grow their vegetables inside the inside the facility there and they would feed the fish and they were all like tapula you know there's thousands of fishing in this pond thousands of them and i asked questions about it after a couple weeks i was like so what's this irrigation system you got going on here. Well, here it was a mountain stream water. It was underground

stream that went float into the mountain. And they just channeled it right into this pond area. And they would grow their own vegetables in there and everything. And now if you were inside the, if you were inside this base,

you really wouldn't be able to tell that you were outside or inside. You don't just feel like you were just inside a regular building. You know, because it wasn't like, even though we were inside, a mountain, everything was driveled up or you know, everything had a

hard wall to it. You know, you couldn't really tell what, you know, if you're out, just in a regular building. You were just, it looked like you were in a regular building. So it didn't have like a dungeon feel to it. Exactly.

It was very, very open. Now, Sight or you got to, for your listeners, SIDAR is right on the other side just north of Camp David. When the president flies into Camp David, he's at SIDAR. SIDAR is what protects Camp David from the north. Okay, so that's the military basin.

And later to find out, five layers below ground level is the little Pentagon, they call it. People think door 9-11, oh, that Dick Cheney was below the White House. No. Dick Cheney was in Sider. Because it's only a 40-minute line by helicopter from Washington, D.C. So this little Pentagon, are we talking about literally a Pentagon-shaped structure inside Sight-R? No. Okay.

No. The little Pentagon is the war room. like you would when Bill Clinton or Barack Obama when they did the the raid on Saddam Hussein or not Saddam Hussein

Osama bin Laden Yeah You remember that room that they were in That's basically what A war room would look like Gotcha But there was also like computers and stuff Everything that you would

You know to where the military like the special forces could communicate back to these people out in the field. You know, so there's, there's, there's,

no, I, I, I was never in that place. I was told. Now, my contact, when we got inside the building,

was a gentleman, his name was Tham. And, hold a second. Did you say thong, as in, like, underwear thong?

No, thom. Like, Tom, with an age. I got you. I thought you said thong. I was like,

okay. Somebody, somebody drew the short straw. No, but this guy here, no, this, this guy here was a strange dude.

Okay. He was like, he was like 6,8. He probably weighed about 170 pounds. And he looked like he lived underground. He could walk through walls, man. He was at why.

okay he had no pigmentation to his skin and all man he was white white white okay and and I made the mistake calling him Tom and he was very

very strict very strict forward he goes my name is thom right and I was like oh you know sorry you know I was like sorry you know and here I asked him

later on about a year into our relationship I said, is Tom like a Swedish name? And he was like, you know, he just like, you know, like blew it off. I guess he was like, yeah, you know, but he just like blew it off. And I was just trying to get the origin of this guy. He was very, you know, he was very nice. And what was so strange about Tham was he would always come down every day.

And he would sit with us in the break room. We were in the lunchroom. We, you can eat whatever you want. No charge. You know, they had like four or five different meals set up for you if you wanted to. You get on a sound bar, whatever, you know, it was a nice, you know, it was a nice facility. But Tom would come down, he would sit, he would stand there and he'd talk to us, and he always had a bottle of water with him. Okay.

But it was always an unopened bottle of water, and he would like, he would talk with it. You know what I mean by that? He would like, when he talked to, he would like, point it. you're like that was this pointer and he would never he would never it was never opened this bottle and he would stand there and talk for us two

three hours you know and he would never open this bottle of water and I always thought that was a little strange okay and you know nothing really nothing really I don't consider that strange it was just that

it was just something that he did you know that it was part of his nature he always had this pot of water with him well the one day i showed up and and i couldn't call off there was they they they didn't accept that they i had to go to work well i showed up to work the one day and i was sick and i was really sick and i got out of my truck and my armed guard i said that's wait a second i said i got to go over and i went over and i threw up. He said, oh, you can't feelin good. I said,

no, man, I said, you know, I really ain't feeling good. And I went in, he said, go in there on the couch and lay down, you know, do whatever. So I went in and I was like, oh, you know, I was just wiped out. Well, Tham came down and he had this chicken broth with him.

Okay? He said, here. He goes, I heard you ain't feeling good. Here's some chicken broth. Okay, and I drank this chicken broth. And Tony, within a matter of five minutes, I was sleeping. Okay. I woke up like four or five hours later. I had a blanket over me and a pillow, and I was stretched out on this sofa.

I woke up, I felt a thousand times better. Matter of fact, this was a Tuesday. I went home, and I didn't go to bed. until Friday night. You heard me correctly. Wow. I didn't go to bed until Friday night. So we're talking about you stayed up for days.

Huh? You stayed up for days. Yeah. That's how good I felt. Wow. I went home. I went home. Now this happened on a Tuesday.

Okay. I went home and my wife said, oh, you're feeling better. I said, I feel great. I said, I feel fantastic. And I just stayed up all night while. watching TV or playing video games, you know. And I went to work the next day. Now, I did go down there every day.

I went down on Monday, and then on Tuesday I get down to Aberdeen Improvement Grounds and take down an empty trailer and pick up a loaded one. Okay, and then I come back, I get down there on Wednesday, and then Wednesday I go back, I take my empty trailer down Thursday, pick up a load one, come back, and then deliver one on Friday. this was my routine every week for four years now on Friday

they had another driver bring my trailer up for Monday it was it was waiting for me when I got back to the yard on Friday I would hook up to it and I'd take it to the mechanic shop and I'd park it in the shop

all weekend and then Monday I'd head down just a repeat a repeat cycle now another strange thing that happened and this is what really really really freaked me out just just one part of it

my son at the time was he was about seven he was about six or seven and he was into wrestling and right on the other side of jacks mountain is a town called wainsborough wainsborough had a youth elementary wrestling tournament

and I was one of the coaches for my son's team. Well, I went down there and lo and behold, there's thumb standing across the mat from me. Right? And I, my son was wrestling and I was more involved with him wrestling and then his match got over with

and I was just standing there waiting for him to come back over and I just like, I just, I had my arms crossed and I just like took my hand and waved at thumb, right, to acknowledge you. And so I did was try to acknowledge him. And like I said, he had this bottle of water and his hand. And he kind of looked away from me. And I guess he realized, I don't know what he, I don't know what his, why he did this, but he plays back at me like real quick with. a dead cold stare.

I mean, it was like, and Tony, this is the only time that I got really, really, really freaked out. When he was standing there, he looked like a reptilian. Ah, here we go. See, dude, oh, man, talk to me. I swear, I swear to God, he looked like a prey of manus. because when he turned away from me okay

did you ever see a pream man that's his head yeah like it's like it slopes down and it goes out to like a little bit of like a little bit of a snout and comes back in

you know what I'm talking about yeah that's how his face look when he turned he turned sideways and then he glanced back at me and he gave me a cold dead scared stare right at me and I was like oh my God you know you know and my wife even noticed it and on the way home

I didn't say nothing to my wife I just blew it off I was like really freaked out about it because just it was just the way you looked at me you know what I mean I never I wasn't expecting that reaction from me I was expecting like a wave or a nod of the head or something like that right well on the way home, I said, my wife says, who was that tall guy that you waved at? I said, that was Thorn from Raven Rock. I said, I wasn't expecting his reaction to me that way. I was expecting, you know, to him to come over and say hi.

Just an acknowledgement of, he goes, he was really, really, really icy to you. And I was like, yeah. I said, I wasn't expecting that, man. And we like we we didn't discuss much more with her because I was I was told not to discuss anything that I saw inside there any people I met anything. I went in there on Monday. Now this was Saturday. I went in on Monday and Tham read me the Ryan Act. Okay.

And he said he said if you ever see me in public again, don't you ever acknowledge me. He goes, ever. I said, well, I really didn't acknowledge you. I said, I just, you know, waved at you. And we went back and forth for a couple minutes. I wasn't trying to be argumentative with him, but I was just trying to, you know, to stay on my ground with him. And then he was leaving, he was going to leave. He was about ready to leave the lounge area.

And he turned around and he pointed his bottle of water at me. And he said, and don't you ever disgust me with your wife? again. Wow. And I was like, wait a second. I was like, wait a second. We were in Shippinsburg when I was telling her about you, man. You know, I didn't say that to him. I'm thinking this. You know, I didn't say nothing to him about discussing, discussing him with my wife. But he knew that I told my wife. I don't know how we knew. But that's the only, that's the only strange encounter I had with anybody there at

Raven Rock, but like an hour later he came back like nothing happened. Like nothing happened. And this, and I'm telling you, Tony, as God is my witness, when he looked back at me, I was looking at a human praying maness.

And it just, it freaked me out to the point to where I was like, okay, I got it. You know, I got to you know, I got to get my I got to get my life in holder, man. You know what I mean? I was like, this ain't cool.

You know, and I never, I was dealing with this guy for three years, and I never noticed these features on him before. You know what I mean? You can, you can look at a person for three years, and they look normal. And then the one time that you offend him, his whole, his whole, shape of his body changes.

Yeah, it's almost like there was a alien praying man a manis that was wearing a thom suit, you know? Like the movie of black. Yeah, well, I mean, if you, and, and oh, I, I forgot to mention

that when I was described in his head. He, he, when he turned and looked at me, his, his right elbow cocked back, like, you know, like almost like a, like how a praying manis would be standing there looking at you.

Like, you know how they have like their, their one leg cocked back? And it's like at a 90 degree angle. Yeah, was it like sticking out to the side or was it cocked back like to behind him? Behind him. Okay. Behind.

When I was looking at him, I was looking at a praying manis. A 6'4 eight praying manis. That's all. I can, that's all I can describe it as. But it was never, it was never, he was never threatening in any way, shape or form to me, you know, except for that one, that one encounter in the, in the lounge when he told me, you know, don't you ever acknowledge me ever again outside? This is, you know, I, he went on about the spew of, this, this, this site is a very top secret installation. I said, well, you know,

everybody and their brother knows about it, you know, that lives in this area, man. You know, you know, and that was my defense to him. I was like, well, everybody knows you guys are here. And he goes, well, you know, people don't know who works in here. Because I guess a lot of them come from D.C. And, you know, I don't think they hired a lot of locals down in that area. No, no, don't. but but other than that I mean

like I I seen the control room and stuff like I only went down two levels and the second level was just like office buildings like like um you know like they had like the uh the partition walls you know what I mean yeah there's people working at their computers and stuff like that that's you know and just look like a regular office building you know it's you know it's you If it would have windows, you could look outside and see the cars going by and stuff, but didn't have no windows. Hold on a second. Are you saying there was windows you could see cars outside?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, okay. No, it was almost like an office to where if it did have windows. Gotcha. You could, you know, it looked very normal. You know, it was, and there was a lot of people that worked in there, but I didn't see no cars or any, you know, I don't know how they, you know, they must, I don't know. I don't know how they got there, you know, because there was down to the second level,

there was probably, 50, 50, 60 people working there, you know, in an office environment. And up top, you had, you had all your logistics, you know, you had your shipping clerk and you had your forkless and you had your your cooks and your dishwashers and your you know it looked like business as usual you know on the first on the first level

on the second level it was you know the office building but they had like the maintenance man he would come by and uh you know he would he would be cleaning out the fish filters and stuff like that and you know and taking the garbage out

you know that it was a very normal it looked very normal, but you're inside a mountain behind a foot and a half the work. Yeah, well, I'll tell you, I mean, when it comes to Raven Rock and the people that work there, I've thought about this before. I've looked at Raven Rock a ton on Google Images and stuff, the whole area. And I've been talk, I've talked to some people about this location. And one thing that I'm pretty sure happens is they bus people in, I think, and I also think that people that work there on a at least the people that are there on a very permanent basis and have

you know real maybe not the second level people but maybe people below that i think that they kind of live there and they are there most of the time you know i don't think it's like one of those jobs where you go home at night but i think that they are busing people in because there is not a lot of parking and you know that i mean if you if you if you've been there and stuff you know that like driving up that road and stuff it's it's it doesn't this is not like a hey we're right off the expressway kind of place. Like you're driving through the middle of nowhere. You're passing homes and things like that.

And all of a sudden, you're coming up on this facility where these, from what I saw, what I see on Google images, there's these two giant doorways that go into the mountain. And are you saying that that's where you backed into? I backed into the very first one. But you know what was so you want to know something about that, Tony? Of course. that that that that road that would take you down to the to the to the main archways but that's what they call them the archways you can't you can't see you can't see what what's going on from route 16 that's uh that's the route that goes in front of it but what like you were saying it's very it's out and open okay there's there's a freaking golf course right in front of it you know what I mean and and ski liberty right there. You know,

I think it's ski liberty. It's one of the ski resources. It's right there right across the street. You know, and they got like a

barbecue shack and stuff right there. You know, and it's right out in the open. I mean, if you didn't, you could,

you could drive, if you were from that area, you could drive past that place and not even, and just say, oh, look at the mountain. It's a military base. The whole,

the whole mountain. Yes. The whole mountain. You know, and you can't, you can't see the roads or the archways from the road. They, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, when I would, when I would, when I would, when I would pull up, you, you're a truck driver. When I would, when I would almost, I'd have to blindside in. Not, not, not, not, and it really wasn't a hard blind side. It was just, uh, you know, you know, I'd pull up and I would just angle my truck at a 45, you know,

45 and I back into the I back into the archway and I I'd go back about 50 feet and then I can go either to the left or to the right to dock but you when you're looking back you're you can't see you can't see none of

Carroll Valley that's what that's the name of the valley that that's it's called Carroll Valley you can't see none of it they have it they have it greater to where it camouflages what's going on. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

What's going on at ground level? It's camouflaged. You know, and when you look at this on, like, Google Maps, which I'm doing right now, I'm looking at it on Google Maps, there, I've always thought that it seemed like there was a, if you, if there was a territory, like a line, like a line that marks the area they cover, it's almost like there's a circle going around the area. and it's this road, obviously. But when you zoom out, you look at it from the sky.

There's a very clear, like, circle going around this area where Raven Rock is. And that's, for me, outside looking in, I'm like, that looks like the boundaries, the territories, the territories of the area that they're covering. And, you know, on the surface, to be honest with you, it's not that big on the surface. I mean, we're probably talking about maybe half a mile or something like that. Yeah. But it goes deep. It goes five levels deep.

And I think the deeper you go, the weirder it gets, man. I think the weirder it gets. No, Tony, I think it goes the whole length of that mountain. There's only certain, certain access points up. I would turn it in off. I believe it's called Harbauls Road. Does that come up on Google Maps, Harbaugh? Yeah, Harbaugh Valley.

Harball Valley Road, okay. You go back, you go back Harbaugh Valley Road. road and then you make a left probably about 100 yards back into there and that's where you enter at and then you'll see yeah then you'll see like the little garage area that's the checking point that's where you check in that and then you you go in you go in that's how you make your entrance in the raven rock yeah i when i was when i stumbled across raven rock i didn't know about it and you know i must have been bored or something and i was on google it man maps. And I just saw these two giant doorways going into the ground. I was like, what the heck is

this? And then that's when I started doing my looking into it and stuff. But yeah, I'm looking at this right now. And I've gone on the street image, like where you go to ground level on Google Maps and look at the street view. And you can see exactly what you're just describing about the entrance, but you can't go up there. Like you can tell that the Google Maps car, whatever it is, kind of drove by, but they weren't allowed up there. Obviously, it's, you know, it's private property. But from what I understand, so like I'm a nosy person. I'm a snoopy person. I like snooping around, especially if it's convenient for me as far as location.

And this is obviously not that far for me. You know, I was told, though, that when you start driving around this area, even... You will be confronted. Yeah, even the locals. Like, the locals know if you're not from that area and you don't belong there. And they'll even confront you even the locals, from what I understand. You will be confronted. And I'll tell you why.

I ran in some kids down there. I took my son snowboarding down there the one time and I was telling them that they were a group of teenagers and I said, you know, over there that mountain over there was a military base and they said, yeah, yeah, we were on the other side of it

riding our four-wheelers and the military police came out and chased us all. They were going to pull us in handcuffs and stuff. I guess, you know, that they were using that as a i guess there's like access words i don't know i never really looked at the at the uh at the the google search or the google maps of it i guess there's service words on the other side but on the other side is camp david you know i don't know if people realize that or you know or if the locals realize that but that's camp david on the other side that's all

that's all military control that whole area so what you're saying though is that uh site is connected to Camp David underground? You know what? I would I would say so. I would say so. Because because

there's no like you said, there's very few access points. Okay? They can't, they can't land Marine Corps 1 on the side of that mountain. They have to land at Camp David.

Okay. Camp David. David's only a mile or two away from there on the Maryland side. Because that mountain there actually Route 16 that goes up, that goes Amigsburg Road. That's the state line. So Ravenlock is basically in Maryland. And then Camp David's on the other side of that mountain. And you know what's interesting is Raven Rock is very much part of like the

Mosheau State Forest. Like it's it's right there. It's and it makes me wonder some of the things that I think it's Michelle State Forest. Yes. Yeah, yeah. And so like it just makes me wonder as far as what's going on in that forest. I've had. There's a lot of big foot sites.

Yes, there is. Yes, there is. That's where I was going with this. Like there's a lot of big. foot sightings in Michelle State Forest and it's not a lot it's not like a huge like it's obviously it's a big forest but it's not necessarily it's not like the Allegheny National Forest like it's it's not that size but there's a lot of activity and it makes me wonder if it's because of what's going on there militarily I think if

I were if I if I if I ain't mistaken I think there's some people that are missing from down halfway like real recently that have not been found from the Raven Rock area? No, from the forest. Really? Yes. I think it was in the last year or two. But they've been, that they were missing and they were never found.

There's a lot of strange things that happens in that area. A lot. Yeah. I mean, we had a lady on our show not too long ago, and she was telling her, Bigfoot experiences and she's not far from Raven Rock. I mean, like, man, I'm telling you, like, with, I can't remember the exact location where she's at, but she, she's not far from Raven Rock. And her Bigfoot experiences at her mom's house are ongoing to this day almost daily. And it's very, uh, otherworldly on what she's going through at her house or had her mom's

house. She doesn't live there anymore. But, um, it just, there's a lot of weird stuff going on in that area. It's not far from Gettysburg. which is incredibly haunted. And so, you know, it's just, it's a very odd area. Gettigsburg's only about 10 miles up the road from there. And, and you know what, and you know what's so, you know what's so fascinating about that area. That's all, that's all limestone based. That whole, that, that whole area there is limestone underneath there.

So what, what do you think that means, though? That there's a lot. I think that there's a lot of like underground aquifers and stuff. And for some reason, I think that the paranormal have a lot of, it's a higher activity in that area. Well, Gettysburg is just insanely haunted, insanely home. Yeah, I mean, there's tons of stuff. I mean, absolutely. Lots of different stories come.

out there, lots of videos, pictures and stuff of hauntings, tons of stuff in Gettysburg. I mean, it was the most deadly battle of the Civil War. I mean, a lot of people died there, a lot. Yeah, yeah. And well, you know, the one time I was going down, I was going down to

site or I had to stop and water my tire. When do you know, when I got there, they came, they won't to know why I stopped what my reason was. You know, they told me exactly,

they told me exactly how long I stopped for everything. Everything. Okay, so before you go any further with that, I want to know how far were you from the facility when you stopped to water your tire, which means people, if you don't know, it means pissing on your tire. But also, so how far were you?

And do you think that this means that they were able to track you by maybe GPS on your truck? I mean, did you have an electric? I think they had something inside, inside the trailer. I never seen what I was holding down there. I had no, I had no manifest, no bills of lading, no nothing. It was, it was a bolt seal and it was locked. It was, it had one of those, it was a bolt seal, and it had a metal plate with a lock

in the bottom of it. So you didn't have an Old Dominion trailer pulling in there, though? No. All right. My trailer, my trailer was plain white with red lettering. What did the red lettering say? It said, it was either like a GV 13, GV 15, GV 9, 09. It was GV, it was, and that's all it said.

Okay. It had it on the front, it had it on the back. Let me have government plates. Let me ask you. So with that said, do you think that the, The trailer, was the trailer owned then by the complex? I think, well, I picked up at, uh, I picked up at Aberdeen Improvement Grounds. So I went from military base to Old Dominion to military base.

And then back to Old Dominion to military base. I never, I, I, I never went to any other places with that, with that trailer. That trailer was, that trailer was used. It went from, it went from Raven Rock to Old Dominion. the next day I'd take that same trailer from Old Dominion to Aberdeen. I'd pick up the loaded trailer in Aberdeen. And they would give me, they would give me like a printout piece of paper. It would say, okay, pick up trailer GV-09 in Spot 132, lot A.

Okay, and I'd go over and I'd pick it up. I'd make sure that, and then it had a seal number on the back. I could read the seal number. I'd read the seal number. And that's all I had. I didn't have no bill lading. Nothing. I didn't know what I was hauling.

Nothing. I even hauled them dead bodies. I don't know. Yeah. I don't think you were hauling dead bodies because they're not going to contract Old Dominion to hauled their bodies. I'm sitting here thinking, because I mean,

I'm in the LTL industry. If you drive for Old Dominion or at least you used to, then you know the company I drive for it. So it's Pitt, Ohio. I mean, our terminal is in Harrisburg. We have one in Harrisburg. And so, like, we're LTL carriers, which means we're general freight carriers. So the fact that your, your company's being contracted to haul stuff into Raven Rock,

it must have been something for maybe construction or some kind of like contractors that were going on inside Raven Rock. No, it fell, it fell under, it fell under the contracting of Menlo. You know what Menlo is? No. Menlo is a contractor out of the New Cumberland Army Depot. It was like a supply point. So you're supply.

But, but it fell under, it fell under that, it fell under that, that contracting, contracting facility was Menlo. So you're, you're telling me that you were probably hauling stuff for, for military to military. and it was probably military supplies. Yeah, I think I could have been hauling like MREs or water or, you know, or a boiler cleaner. So, all right. So here's the thing, though. Like, I don't understand why they would contract Old Dominion to do something like that because, like, it's not that hard to have a military personnel trained to drive a truck and have your own truck out in the road pulling the stuff back and forth.

I don't understand why they would do that. I know. I don't know. But yeah, that's, that's, you know, I did it for four years. And here, they lost the contract. Old Dominion lost the contract. And shortly answered, they lost the contract. I was fired.

You were fired from Old Dominion? Yeah. What was the reasoning? I questioned my terminal manager's ethics. Well, you know, You know, okay. But I'm laughing because it's funny because it's like the same story everywhere you go in the trucking industry. Well, what he said was, you know, he, him and I, it was, it was a, you know, him and I, it was a, you know, him and I were having a discussion.

and it really wasn't a heathed discussion. It was, you know, I was, we were having a back and forth conversation. And he said, what are you doing? Are you questioning my ethics? And I said, well, yeah, I guess I am. And he said, you're fired. Plain and simple. That's how it went down.

And I was like, okay, see you later. I went and collected unemployment. Wow. So you worked there for four years. How, how? No, I worked there for eight years. Oh, so, but you did the, you did the, you did the, uh, Ray, Rock for four years.

Yes. Okay. So how long were you working at Old Dominion before they pull you into the office? Four years. Okay. So you were there for four years. You get pulled in the office by, I'm assuming, their TM and these two other guys that worked for Raven Rock, right?

Yes. Now, these two other guys that worked for Raven Rock, were they, talk to me about them, what they look like. Were they in military gear? Were they civilian? No, they were civilian. They just looked like they were dressed in polo shirt. you know, just, you know, they had like a, uh, they had, um, uh, like a thing's, uh, you know, like a, um, like where they were from on their shirt.

You know, like, I think it might have been like, uh, the Raven Rock, Raven Rock has her own shirts. Okay, and I guess it would say Slate R on it. I don't think they go by Raven, I don't think they're, they're, they're, they're, Because you can buy shirts right there. Like a gift shop? Yeah. What is going on here? Yeah.

I mean, come on. Really? Yes. You can buy a shirt there, yes. Wow. Yeah, the security guards had them and stuff. Yeah, they had like Sider. I don't know what the insignia was.

I guess it was almost like a Pentagon symbol, you know. But yeah, they had a gift shop there. They had mugs. You know. I mean, on one aspect, they're out in the open about it. And on the other aspect, they want to keep it secret. You know, and it, you know, it comes up on the map, and people know about it. And, you know, you can Google search.

It comes up, like, or, you know, Raven Rock and it gets you to the location and everything. You know, and, you know, they, you can buy it. You can buy the stuff right there. Right. That's part, that was part of the commissary. So let me ask you then Is this something that you could have bought? Like you could have walked out of there with the...

I don't think I could have bought it. Okay, so we're talking about like, you know, hey, I need another shirt for work kind of thing. Right, right. Or, you know, they probably issue you a certain amount of money that you can buy work clothes with and you can go into this like shop and, you know,

get it like a polo shirt or a, you know, a dress shirt with the... you know, with the Sider and the insignia on it and stuff. But yeah, you could, yeah, they had them right there. Yeah. Because I, they wouldn't accept money. They, they, I never spent a red, not a red penny in there. They, they, your money is no good in that place.

Like, all the food that I ate was, was on the house. You know, I probably drank a thousand gallons of pie Pepsi in there, never paid a dime for, you know. You know what's interesting is that I'm looking at the, and I don't know if this is their emblem or their logo. It's a, it's a circle with Raven Rock Mountain Complex on it. Underneath it, it says, say,

SIPR with the, with a Raven on it. Yeah, that's it. Okay, so I'm looking at this logo, and I swear I've seen this before, this logo. And I, I'm hesitant to say it just because I literally have stocked Raven Rock online so much that I might have come across that, that image before and it's just coming back to me subliminally. But it seems like I've seen this

before. I feel like I've seen it on somebody's shirt before or something like that. I don't know, though. It's very, they're very out there open about it, but they want to remain secret too. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think it's, I think it's one of those things where the location that they put it, it's, it's very, you know, rural in the sense, but at the same time, there is still a lot of stuff not far from there. And maybe over time, like in the early days, maybe the word got out. And so there was no keeping it a secret, but they just kind of dampened it down with how much they're willing to, you know, like, I mean, if you look at the complex, go out. I think what you're trying to do is, uh, is like making an inactive base. You know what I mean?

Did you say active or inactive? Inactive. An inactive case like a, uh, like, uh, we ain't doing much here, you know, almost like area 51. Oh, there's nothing to see here. You know, we really don't do much here. But in reality, they're pumping strong. Yeah, well, there's definitely, now, Raven Rock is definitely an underground military. Like, literally, if you just go on Google images or Google Maps and you just type in Raven Rock military base, it's going to come up. You just do a quick slide around.

You find the doors that go into the mound. Literally, it's by definition an underground military base. Yeah. And so, but there, I have been told. that there are at least two underground military bases in Pennsylvania. I believe the second one is actually in or around the Allegheny National Forest. I have not been able to find the location of that one. And I think that one actually has a lot more nefarious things going on than the one that we're talking about today. We interrupt our program to bring you this important message. I love you.

Now, back to our show. All right. So you freaking work there for how many years was it? Four years. Four years. Okay, so you were at Old Dominion for four years. You got brought into this thing. And then you were fired shortly after that. But I want to say it seems like you were handpicked. Do you think that this was... Absolutely. Do you think that they handpicked you or do you think your terminal handpicked you?

No. My military status handpicked me. Oh, so you're military? Yes. How much military are we talking about here? Well, my MOS was 11 Bravo 10 victor. Talk to me like I'm not in the U.S. Army Ranger. Okay.

Gotcha. So you were, you were an Army Ranger man? Yes. Dude, you guys are some bad MFers, man. I'll tell you that.

I was nothing special. I was just a, you know, I was just a rifleman in a, and, well, actually I was in, I was in the,

what they call a, um, a weapons battune. I was part of headquarters company. And I would, I was in charge of, like, uh,

setting up the headspace at time. 50 caliber and you know the the weaponry that that we would take along with us like you claim more mines and stuff like that we were all assigned

to the patoons and stuff and we would I never seen no combat or anything I was in doing the Cold War but yeah my security clearance carry you never lose your security

clearance unless you really, really, unless you, you know, you really, you get, you get, you get, you get, you get, um, you get, um, you get, um, you get, you know, you go to Leavenworth or whatever. But this, this is, this, here's, here's a good one, Tony. Thursday this week. Now, I work for another truck and company now. I went down in Leonard County Army Depot. Okay. And where I went at in Letter County Army Depot. You have to get a, you have to, like, just, you have to give your Social Security number and your license and stuff. Then they run a background check on you. Well, they gave me, they gave me a, they gave me a, like a pass.

All that do is show the pay us to the guard, and I can gain access to wherever I need to go on under County. and that's where the Patriot missiles and the tow missiles and stuff are built. Wow. Wow. And that's where I was. That's where I was Thursday. I was delivered paint. Jeez.

So this is starting to make sense now. So for whatever reason, outside of your control, Raven Rock, for whatever reason, needed to hire an outside contractor to all of them. They investigated me. And so, yeah, well, they investigated a lot of people if you think about it, because they handpicked you, which means that probably old administration. was not the only company they looked at. They were looking for a very specific type of driver that they were going to be able to contract into this location.

And you were the guy who popped up. Yes, because I'm still, I'm still accountable by the UCMJ for any, anything. If I would talk about anything where I went when I was in the military, I could still be court-martialed. Ooh, do you want to talk about it now? No, I'm kidding. No, no, I can't. I understand. I never did nothing, nothing, nothing to extreme.

Okay, we, everything that you did in the range of time was extreme, but it was nothing, you know, nothing that, that, that would be off the radar. You know, it was just normal operating business for us. You know, I was, I was actually just a corporal, and I did my, I did six years and I left. And then my, my military status never left me. And whenever, like you said, they investigated me personally. These people, whoever these guys were, they probably went to Y or C, ABF, hit Ohio, Old Dominion. Then they stumbled across Merle.

Oh. Hey, Merle. this is what you're going to do for the next four years. Yeah, look what we have here. Yeah, yeah. And my military status was never brought up, nothing. They never mentioned anything to me, these two individuals. They never said not one word to me about anything.

They just said, this is what you're doing. This is your route. Like, I would go down. I would let, oh, now where old dominion is, it's in Carlisle. It is at exit 52 and 81. I would drive down 81 to exit 5. I get off exit 5, which is route 16.

I go up over the mountain, down over the mountain, the Harbaugh Valley Road. I'd make that right. I'd make that immediate left and I was there. That was my route. When I left, I went back the same way. Wow. Yeah, man, this is interesting stuff, man.

I've been longing for the day to talk to. anybody that has like a real connection there and you didn't even work there you were just contracted but the information you shared with us has been really interesting uh now you work there a year into your relationship with uh thom uh you is when you got that chicken broth brew right yeah and you know what it was it was it was chicken broth but it was a real strong chicken broth. You know what I mean? It was almost almost like it was artificially flavored to be chicken

broth, but it was something else maybe. You ever think about that? Well, let's put it to you this way. It was you know how chicken broth is like a light brown? Yeah. Okay. This was

brown. Almost like a real thick chicken broth. Almost like you took four package is a chicken broth and mixed it all in one cup. I got you. It was real, real thick. And it did, and it, and I'm telling you within five minutes, I was out like a light.

I don't remember nothing. I mean, I don't remember nothing. I don't remember nobody putting blankets on me and pillow under my head, nothing. And when I woke up, I'm telling you, I was sick all weekend. I mean, I was throwing up. I didn't know if I was going to be able to go to work. Well, I went to work and my arm, my arm garden, seeing that I was sick, and I threw up, and he must have went and told Tham, and Tham brought me this chicken broth.

And I'm telling you, I woke up at 4 o'clock Tuesday afternoon, and I did not go to bed until about, well, it was Saturday morning, about 12 o'clock, 12 o'clock Saturday morning. And I wasn't tired then. I had to force myself to sleep because I knew I was up for three and a half days. That's incredible. That's absolutely incredible. So I personally, when you're telling me about this chicken broth stuff, like, I just, I'm thinking, man, this is flavored to taste like chicken broth and make you feel like it was chicken broth. But dude, chicken broth doesn't keep you away for three days after putting you sleep for a few hours.

I mean, like, this is something that got in your system that was not chicken broth. Right. But it didn't make me jittery or anything. It was just that I just was not tired. I couldn't sleep. Trust me. I came up and laid in bed and I just laid there. My eyes wide open.

I said, I'm fighting to lose in battle. So I just went downstairs and watched TV. I played video games. This went on for three days. And I wasn't tired. Jeez. I wasn't, I didn't even going in those three days, three-half days. I had to force myself to go to sleep on Friday.

night. My wife was like, are you ever coming to bed? I said, I ain't caught her. All right. So here's the thing. I want to talk to you about the fact that your wife saw his face when he looked like a praying mandus or, you know, a lizard person, whatever you want to say it is. Yeah. Your wife literally saw the transformation as well. She saw what she said was, was an icy stare. But what you describe isn't just an icy stare. Like he literally looked different, right? To me, he did. Yes.

She didn't really, she really wasn't, I mean, she was paying attention to my son. And she's seen, she really wasn't paying attention to what me, the communication between Thumb and myself. But she, she, she's seen Thumb looking at me. You know, and she was, she, she just said, he, you know, he gave you an icy stare. And I was like, yeah, that was thorn. I said he works at Raven Rock and, you know, and I went on to tell her. And I never told her that, that, you know, that his features changed.

Because they did, he, he didn't, he didn't look that way. He didn't look that way for, for a year, okay? For a year, how many months, year, year, a half, however long it was. It wasn't that long into my, into my tenure there, okay. He, he, I never, you know, I never seen that. But that one time where I waved at him out in public, it, it almost like he, he was a shape shifter. Yeah.

It changed. It changed. It changed in a matter of seconds. Yeah. In a matter of seconds. He, he, and it wasn't, and, and it wasn't, he, he, he had, like, dark blue eyes. He had, like, light hair, not blonde hair, but light hair. And it was like, um, his hair was like real, real, um, fine.

You know what I mean by fine? Yeah. Like, it's like a real thin hair. Yeah, like a real thin hair. But he always kept it real, you know, neatly, the manicured, you know, up to this hind type, what they referred to as a hind type, you know, but he had like dark blue eyes. And, uh, when he, when he turned and looked at me, I swear to God, I was looking at a praying manis.

I never, I never thought that until that time. And I never thought that afterwards. You know what I mean? It was just that time. It was just in that point in time and that 25 seconds. Jeez. Let me tell you something about this. So what's that?

The name Tham, I just looked it up and to see what Tham means. I don't remember ever hearing this name before. So I'm assuming it's spelled T-H-O-M-Th-Thom. Yes. Okay, so it is. So the name thumb is Aramaic and it means twin. Twin. And you're telling me that that thumb literally, I never knew that. Tham is, is shape shifting in front of you and he has two different faces. Like there's two different people with the same with the same DNA. Like, dude, I'm telling you. This is crazy. I can't make this stuff up, man. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. You're doing all the research and everything's adding up for it.

Listen, man. Like, I'm sitting here and I'm just very interested in your story. And I'm thinking, what does the name Thaum mean? Because I was sitting here thinking, Tham actually, like, if I was writing a science fiction story where we were doing, like, I was making up a story about somebody that did a 20 and back in the United States military is working with aliens on the dark side of the moon. What would I name one of the aliens that were praying manus? Well, Tham actually sounds like a name I would use. Like, you know, General Tham. He's a, a praying manus, you know, lizard person.

And so I look up the name Tham to see, you know, where it originated from. And it says it freaking means twin. I'm just like, and here's this guy being a shape-shifting person with two faces as one person to you. It's just, I just think that's interesting. Yeah. And, you know, and Tony, it, happened before or after this 25 seconds of us being out in public and me acknowledging him. You know, that was the only time that that, that I looked at him as otherly human. Did that make sense? No, it makes perfect sense and stuff. And it seems like, like what you're saying is that, you know, these are your experiences

with your interactions with people at the base and being. there for the period of time you were. And what's interesting is, like, we just had an hour conversation about this base and your interactions with it. And you barely did anything there. Like, you, you hardly had any, anything to do there other than drive. I'm just driving my truck, backing it in and sitting around, wait until they tell me I can go home. That's pretty much what you were doing. And you had, we just covered an hour. And so I just find it funny. Now, let me ask you one more question about this. And this is more of an opinion piece for you. But, But how the heck do you think Tham knew that you talked to your wife when you were what?

I think you said you were around Shippensburg when you finally started talking to her about Tham? Um, well, I don't know. I really don't know. I want to say, I want to say that he, he just guessed. But I don't, I don't think that's the case. I don't think that he just assumed that I discussed it with my wife and went out to limb and said, don't you ever talk to your wife about this, but it almost like he had first-hand knowledge that I talked to her.

Almost like he was reading my mind. And that's, yeah, and that's what I was thinking too. Like, because my first thought was, was he able to listen in on it? Did he have something planted or was he able to,

uh, tell you why? I'll tell you why. He couldn't have. Because we had, I hit, I hit a deer with my truck going to work at that, that week.

And I had a rental car from Bob Rayhall Toyota or a rental truck. So I had a completely different vehicle I took down there that day. Can I ask you a question about the rental vehicle? Yeah. Did the license plates say Raven Rock on it? Now, just kidding. No. Yeah.

But all the, all the security were Pentagon police. Okay. They're Raven Rock. Yeah. So, I mean, Raven Rock is clearly an active base. And it has high-level security. And, you know, many people throughout the government, deep in the government are working there or have been there.

Do you think that, let me ask you this, too, how long ago was this taking place? I mean, are we talking about 20 years ago, 10 years ago, what? Well, I got fired in 2010. So this was, or no, I got fired in 2009. So this was from 2005 to 9. Okay. So, yeah, I mean, that's, you know, 11 years. Right.

And that's not that long ago. I mean, we're talking about, you know, 11 years ago. And I'm telling you, man, this thing is just a fascinating thing for me. And it's probably more fascinating for me for the fact that it's in my backyard kind of thing. You know what I mean? Like I literally can drive there within two. hours easily. Oh, absolutely. I wouldn't drive up to it, though. Well, I almost did. To be honest with you, I almost did. When I first found it, I was like, I'm very interested. And I, like I said,

I wanted the Google images. And I saw it was gated off on the road. I went to both sides of the road. I looked at this place, you know, inside and out. And I almost went out there and did the whole drive up to it and see how far I can get to it kind of thing or see if I can find a side road that I can kind of hike up onto the mountain and all that stuff. Like, I was, I was really consistent. considering doing it. And then I forget who I was talking to, but they told me that, you know, you can't get anywhere near the place and that even locals will kind of look at you sideways. Well, just for your listeners and everything, we discussed the road and the entrance point. If anyone decides to go there and try to go up to the entrance, you will end up at gunpoint.

I guarantee you that. Well, give you some stories to tell, right? And you will probably be in prison. Oh, for sure. Absolutely. Because they,

they're not going to say, oh, I just got lost because there are signs there and say, U.S. military, U.S. government property, keep out.

Yeah, especially when you got a guy named Thaum in there that can read people's minds. There's no lying. You know, like, and the shade shifter.

Yeah, you're like, I got lost and they get on the radio, all right, bring thumb out here. We need to have thom out here. You know, he appears. Yeah, I mean, and if you went out there, I'm telling you right now. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

He was a strange cat. He really was. I mean, when I look back on it and everything, he was a very nice guy. But like I said, he always had that bottle of water. I've never seen him drink or eat. That's, that was my point to that. and he always he always like shook it at you you know the word he made he was making conversation with the bottle of water yeah that i i i don't know i mean maybe that bottle

water was a prop and he didn't need to eat because he wasn't that's what i was thinking because he had bottle of water at the wrestling tournament the same bottle of water was an aquifer in a bottle of water he's like look i got a bottle of water i drink i eat i'm human right right and And I never, I never seen him drink from it or eat or anything in four years. And I'm telling you, I was, I was, that's where I would be for eight hours a day, was in either the, the, the cafeteria or right off the cafeteria in the lounge area. It was, you know, it was, it was a relaxing it, uh, setting, you know, It wasn't like, you didn't have like, you know, military people marching around and everything. You know, people would come in and eat, you know, and conversing, and, you know, and they'd come in and watch TV and then head on down to work.

You know, it was a very relaxing place. And, you know, they had five or six couches in there. It was a big room. And Thaum would come in and he would talk baseball. He did know baseball. I'll tell you that. He knew it. He knew every batting average of every major league baseball player playing in the major leagues that year or those years.

He was very, very smart. You know why? Because when you live for a thousand years and you have access to time travel, you tend to be pretty smart. I'm telling you, he's not human, man. You know, I don't know what he is, man. I'm going to be honest with you. now that you say that Thumb is

definition as twin I don't know how many I dealt with you know what I mean why was he there he wasn't he didn't have a kid at this wrestling tournament he was just there he didn't move all day

there was four mats okay in this gymnasium and he was in the center of these formats and he did not move all day There was no kids around. He had no wife. No, nothing. You know, I was watching him all day.

And I knew he'd seen me. I knew he did. I know he did. I know he's seeing me. I seen him as soon as I walked in the gym, he stands out. You know what I mean? He's 6-8. Yeah.

You know what I mean? All he had to do is, Reaches, uh, his, uh, what, what is, what is, what is, what is the praying man his arm up and dunked basketball. Yeah, I mean, if he's six, he's freaking six, eight, and that's, that's a big guy. Yeah, he was, he was, he was tall, he was tall, I know he didn't weigh 170 pounds if he weighed that. So he was tall and lanky.

I was thinking somebody that's bulky and kind of gigantic. No, no, no, he was tall and very, he was bone thin, bone thin. Wow. Like, you could see his cheekbones. That's why I was saying that he, you know, when his face changed to a praying man that's looking style face

you can see his cheekbones that's why I'm saying his face didn't look the same when when he turned and looked at me his face changed he wasn't like a big guy this guy was real thin he only weighed about 170 pounds you know but his face changed

and there was 25 that 25 seconds I don't know if it was my eyes playing trickle him tricks on me or, you know, or I don't know what, I don't know what happened, but it was a very strange encounter, very strange encounter. And I don't get, I don't get the hebi jibis much, but that guy gave me the heby jibis at that time. Yeah. I didn't know what I was doing what. Yeah, for sure. It definitely seems like he would give people the hebi Jeeves, especially, like, I don't know what's more creepy. A six eight bulky guy that's a, leptych, a six eight, you know, six eight guy that's, you know, a lizard person or, you know, a six eight guy that's

lanky lizard person. I'm not sure what's more creepy, but, uh, he, he wasn't very big. He didn't have much muscle turn to him. All right. So we talked about the dums. And I think that we exhausted the topic right now as far as what you know, what you've experienced. Um, but you do have some paranormal experiences that, uh, that you'd like to share with us. So if you could just kind of start us off and walk us into some of these experiences you've had. Well, I'm going to go, I'm going to go from first to last with things. That's fine. Okay.

Back in last August, I was in my girlfriend's house. She lives in an apartment on her parents' property above her dad's garage. Her dad's a big, um, gearhead, and he has a three-bay garage detached from the house. and there was an apartment above the garage. We were going to go to the races at night, so we took her son over to her mom and dad's house, which is just right across the driveway. We went up and we were sitting at, I guess it's like a bar-style breakfast nook.

Okay, and I was facing into the house, and she was facing towards her mom and dad's up towards the outside of the house. Okay, and I'm sitting there and I see

movement down the hallway like a shadow and I and I I just blew it all. And then we're sitting there talking now this is only a matter

of a minute or two. I've seen it again. And I said to, I said, Katie. I said, are we alone? She goes, yeah, why? I said, I just, I just thought I'd seen something. The third time I seen it, it went in to her bedroom. It was a shadow. Went into the bedroom. And I'm only looking at, I went down into my truck and got my gun out. And I practically cleared this house. That's how convinced I was that I seen. somebody in this or a shadow in this house.

I thought it was her ex-boyfriend. That's what I thought. Well, and she was freaked out by this because obviously I was 9mm and I'm going through each room and looking under the beds. She's like, what are you doing? You know, or you know, and I said, I'm telling you, I've seen somebody.

I'd seen, and then I let it go into that because there's nobody there. Well, the next day, I said to her dad, I said, let me ask you a question. I said, did you own this house? How long have you owned this house? He goes, well, I bought it about 10 years ago. The guy that lived here died.

I said, well, where'd he die at? He goes, well, he fell down the ladder there in the garage. And I said, oh. He goes, why do you ask? I said, because I, I've seen some shadows yesterday. He goes, don't tell Katie. I said, well, it's kind of hard and I tell her when I have my gun

going through her house. He had to quit clearing her house. And he said, well, don't tell her what I just said. So we can debunked that as just, and I had a friend, his name's Alan. He does, um, ghost walks.

And the one day I was over, I was over babysitting, Katie's son and he told me to tell whatever's there that it's all right if you hang out here but you cannot close harm

to the people that live here if you do calls harm you're going to have to leave and that squashed it no more we didn't see but I'm telling you Tony I've seen the shadow three times in five minutes I know there was something there

I know for sure that I seen the third time. I know for sure I seen it going into our bedroom. And that's right where the steps were and leaned down to the garage. They're blocked off now. They made an apartment out of the top half. That was the paranormal experience. Now, I heard you talk about this about a year ago, maybe two years ago. on your show.

Do you know where Street Road is? Off of Easton Road, 611? Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. Okay. Street Road, you get down Street Road to 263, there's a giant store sitting there, right? I was working for giant food stores.

Now, right there, that's called Wellington. Wellington or Willingham or Willington One of the two because they're really close. Willingham is up, you know, on 6-11 and Willington's down on street road. Well, I'm sitting there. We weren't, we ain't allowed behind that store until 7 o'clock, okay, because of noise restrictions.

So I'm sitting between there's a coal store and the giant. It's 634. December 23rd, 2019. It was a Monday. I'm just sitting there. I'm just waiting to go behind this store. And I'm telling you, Tony, 400 feet off the ground,

there was a flying. People would call it the V. I call it more of a checkmark because the right side was a little bit longer than the left. And it was just flying, right down towards Willow Grove. It didn't make a sound. what I think it was

was a a drone it was unmanned it couldn't have been manned there's no way it could have been manned I think it was a drone a big drone like a 200 foot

big drone all right so let's just pause for a second and just inform any audience that because I know it's you're referencing and you're referencing this because you're recalling something exactly to what I saw in the same area. That's why you're telling me this, right?

Yes. And it was heading right towards Willow Grove. And I'm telling you right now, there's something going on in Willow Grove because there's cars. They say that's a dead military base. There's activity going on in there. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

I'm so glad you're bringing this up. The Horsham Air Force Base is what you're talking about. Yes, yes. Willow Grove, yes. Right off of 611. And I know exactly where the food, the giant food store is. You're talking about the intersection of Street Road and 263. 263 and Street Road.

Yep, I know exactly where you're talking about. It's not far from Welland Grove. Because there's a coal store there. Yep. And there's an access point, then the giant store. And that's where we had entrance to giant stores on that access road. And that's where I was sitting. It was 6.34 in the morning.

Just right, right as soon. The sun was just coming up. It was in December, December 23rd. There's two days before Christmas. Okay, so the sun's just coming up at 6.30 in the morning. You can see the peak in the sky. And I've seen the stink. There was no lights on this thing.

None. Not whatsoever. Okay. So this thing that you saw in the sky, the fact that you're saying it was a drone, you definitely got a better look than I did because I was driving down 276 when I saw it outside of Willgrove and I think I've seen it at least two or three either two or three other times it wasn't just one time I saw this thing I watched it for 30 seconds and was it hovering or was it moving or what no it was moving it was moving at about 15 mile an hour okay I caught it I caught it

when it was I caught it when it was just about over 263 and it was heading it was heading towards county line road if you know what I mean. You know where county line road is? Of course. Yep. Okay. It was heading and it crossed right over the giant store

heading towards county line road. And if you draw a straight line from the giant store to count the corner of County Line Road and Easton Road, that would put you in the middle of Horsham Air Force Base, right dead smack in the middle. Wow. And it was only. 400 feet in the air.

I got a real good look at it. I could see the towels on it. Hold on a second. So it had tires on it? Tiles. Tiles. Oh, tiles. I got you. Yes, tiles. And there was no lights, no lights or nothing.

I watched it for 30 seconds. It was a drone. I guarantee it was a drone. It wasn't, there was no one controlling. I mean, it was being controlled. but there was no one manually controlling that from the inside of it. And I don't understand why they'd be doing that. I don't know what that, I don't know what they're purpose.

I don't know. Do you think they could be setting off chem trails with that? Man, chem trails would be like the last thing that all my mind to even consider when it comes to this. When we're talking about what we're talking about here, we're talking about something, and I'm assuming, just assuming that you saw what I saw, but it's, it was a check mark. Yeah, it was a check mark. Exactly. Thank you.

It wasn't a V. Like, this is what I said on my show when I first saw this and I talked to the public about it. I said at first it looked like a V, but when I got next to it that I was passing by, I look up. It was hovering. It was a check mark. One side was shorter than the other. That's what you saw. Yeah.

We saw the same exact thing. It was, it was, it was like, I really can't tell, because it was against the dark sky. Okay. Now, now, when I say the sun was just coming up, it was, the sun was just coming up all out of the east. This was basically right above me. Okay. So let's say, let's say it was 200 or 150 feet in ways. and went. Okay. The right side was 100 feet and the left side was 50 feet or 75 feet.

The right side was definitely longer. The right side was definitely longer than the left side. This is incredible because I never would have expected that I was going to be talking to somebody today that saw the same exact craft that I saw. Like this isn't like, oh yeah, I saw something like that too in New Mexico. You saw exactly what I saw within what a couple mile radius of where I was. Probably three miles. If you saw it on the turnpike, if you saw it on the turnpike, it was within three miles because street road runs right down to, to park casinos. That's unbelievable.

Is that right? Yeah. No, yeah. Absolutely. Does it run down to park casinos? Yep. If you keep going down street road, it takes you into Ben's Salem on the left-hand side is parks casinos absolutely yeah yeah and and this was this was up street road at 263 or 263 or 261

263 you know you know where i'm talking about absolutely i know exactly what you're talking about that's why i'm floored right now like i i'm not even in the mindset right now to ask questions because i'm just floored that you saw the same thing i saw i'm like so excited that somebody's validating me right now because i had no idea you were going to bring this up I'm telling you, I'm telling you, and I, I, I, I know for a fact, it was a drone. I know people say, oh, drones can't be that big. Who says it can't be that big? Yeah, that's just BS.

Right, right. It, it's definitely, it's definitely a drone. Like I said, I could, like I told, I sent you a text message, I can validate, of the three, which I just did. I just validated. Because I'm telling you that was, it wasn't, I'm not saying this was a UFO, but it was a UFO because I don't know what it was,

but it wasn't out of this worldly. Yeah. It was definitely manmade. Absolutely. And it's a drone. Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. The fact that you're saying it's a drone, now looking back at what I saw,

it makes sense that it would be a drone. I've mentioned it before. I think it was on the show that I did called the Ben Salem of Duck. where I talked to, oh, shoot up forgetting her name, but she had a great story, but I talked to her about this as well. And we discussed about the Horsham Air Force Base. I've been on that base a couple of times. And the very first time I was on that base, I was working for a different company. I wasn't with Pitt, Ohio. And I was actually working for a copy machine company called RICO.

And we were pulling copy machines out of some of these buildings that they were moving out of. And I asked them, I remember asking them that if they were shutting the place down, and they've really beat around the bush as far as to what they were going to tell me. And I mean, they said that, you know, the place is being shut down and stuff, but just the way they said it was very, it was just very odd. And I didn't get this. Then why do they have new dirt mounds there? Well, I, you can't see stuff off of all the East, Eastern Road. Yeah. They just put, they just put new dirt mounds there. How long ago? Oh, within the last six months. Jeez. See, I haven't driven up that area.

You know where, you know where the, you know where the, um, uh, the museum is? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. Okay. When you get down past the museum, you have the horses and diner. If you look and then you have that, that access where to go, that would lead you on the

horse room air force base, that, that stretch from, from the museum to the horse room diner, they just put, they just, uh, elevated the dirt mountains that are on there. Why would they elevate the dirt mountains? So you can't see. So you can't see what's going from the roadway, even in a truck. They used to do air shows out of there. And supposedly they shut the base down, all this stuff. And this was back when I was in my early 20s. I think Rico was my first truck driving job. And so when I did that, they tell me, okay, you know, started back in my mind. Fast forward years later, I'm driving for Pitt, Ohio. I go on the base for another delivery.

and I back into a dock and I do this delivery and there there it was like a full cast of people working there and I was just like this place doesn't seem like it's shutting down anytime soon. I know it could be you know maybe you know something where it's it's not at full scale like it used to be but no I think it is. Yeah it just seems like there's something going on there. I've said that before and I it just for me it seems like there's something going on there. Then when you see what I saw not far from there. I mean what's the other logic. conclusion then. Like, if I see it multiple times, you saw it, and there's been reports of this thing in

Ben Salem, the very similar thing, it's a V shape that it's been described, hovering over trees, moving over trees kind of thing. If everybody's seeing this thing in this general area, the logical conclusion is, well, where is it coming from? Probably the Horsham Air Force Base. Well, see, the whole thing is, Tony, is you were driving when you saw it. I wasn't. I was looking right at it.

I was looking right at it. I was like, that's how I could tell you the time and the day, because I made note of this. I was like, oh, my God. You know, and I'm thinking the whole time I'm looking at it, I rolled down my window, we're not, I didn't roll it down, you know, I put it down. Brando rolling anymore. It's all electronics. But I put my window down to see if I can hear an exhaust.

There was no exhaust. It was perfectly quiet. And it was almost like it was making its final round to go back to come back home. It was going home. And believe it or not, you could, that thing could glide right over top of any normal human being driving down the road. And you probably wouldn't even be able to see it. But I just so happen to look up a lot when I'm sitting. Yeah, well, I've been looking up a lot too these days.

so but uh listen man listen i i um i appreciate you sharing that with me because uh for me personally this is not even for the show like personally it a little bit of validation yeah big time like because like i i don't i always tell people like i have i haven't seen such crazy stuff like a lot of stuff that goes on in the show and stuff i i'm i'm just hearing the stories like i haven't really seen a ton of crazy stuff i mean i've some but not a ton of ton and Like, that was for me a very fascinating experience. And I'm like, I'm going to tell people about this, but I'm not expecting anybody to believe me. And so the fact that you're validating me right now just really makes me smile.

Now, now, Tony, this last one that I have to tell you, I have no explanation of work, man. None, none, none. I'm willing to work. I work night shift. Okay, my ship begins at 11 o'clock. So I'm heading to work about 9.30. Beginning of January, it's not too far, not too long after New Year's. This all happened within two weeks of me seeing this checkmark and this next thing that happened to me.

I'm driving down Wagner's Gap Road. Like I said, I live out in the... out in the rural area, a rural part of the country here in Pennsylvania, pencil turkey we call it up here. But I'm driving down the road and two deer across in front of me, okay? Now, this is, it's a wagon's got, now I have to go up over a mountain and down the mountain to get to work. It's the shortest way to my job.

Two deer close in front of me, so I slow down to, you know, so I don't hit them. And I have a little beaver car that I drive back and forth to work, keep miles off my truck. It's a manual. So I was in fourth gear. So I went, as soon as I put it in first gear, Tony, about a dozen deer come over top of my car, on my car, in front of my car. They were running from something. Okay. And I was like, oh, my God.

You know, and they were kicking my windows and riding up over. my hood. That's just leading up to what happened to me. So I get out and I check damage, not much damage. So I drive on. I go about a mile. Okay. And when you're going up Wagner's gap, you have like a 90 degree turn to the right. Okay. Well, I see this light in my driver's side window. Did you ever have like a reflection of like when the driver's side. So, like when the driver's like window to where it looks like there's something there, but it's really actually on the right side of you? Well, that's what caught my attention.

I've seen this like blue light on my driver's side window. And I looked at it and nothing was there. So I look across and there's this little about the size of a softball hovering ball right in this wood line. Okay, now I was at this 90 degree turn. Okay. So when I went past it the first time, it was on my right. When I went up around, I was looking at it the whole time,

I went around the 90-degree turn, and it stayed on my right the whole time. So I stopped my car and I got out, and I'm looking at this light, right? And I'm telling you, it's only about as big as a softball. And it was just hanging there, just like suspended in animation, right? And you can see, it would almost look like a lava light, okay, the light inside of it. It wasn't like shining like a bright light or anything. It was just illuminating itself, okay? And I'm looking at it.

And what was so strange, I, do you know what ozone smells like? I don't think so. Ozone, like when a door and a thunderstorm, you smell like a, like the,

like the air gets real energized. This, this, when I got out of my car to look at this light, it was, there was a lot of ozone in the air. And I was just like, I was just looking at this light.

Nothing that actually happened. It was just there. And I thought to myself, this ain't, I thought, Marale, you ain't too damn smart. I got back in my car and I laughed, right? But that's the last time I seen it. But doesn't it seem kind of curious if these deer run in front of my car, about a half a mile to a mile in front of it before I seen this light? Yeah. What was chasing?

And not only that, but what? Where they were running to, okay? These two deer that crossed in front of me came from the right, which is Penn State Dickison College, their, that's their property, you can't hunt on it. So they considered out a safe ground. Deer know this. Okay, and as soon as these deer crawled in front of me,

I slowed down, 15 to 20 deer ran over there that way. What was making them go that way? when you got cornfields on the left and nothing on their way because Dickison College don't they don't plant no corn or anything for them it's just woods when they got feet on the other side

open cornfields then I drive up the road and I see it wasn't very big I can hold that ball on my hand you know and it was only about three or four feet off the ground you know and it was just it was almost like it was just like it was dangling from a tree, you know, or I don't know.

It was pretty wild, though. That's something I can't explain. Now, that's just, it's just, I don't know. I don't know what it was. I can't explain it. I didn't see Bigfoot or anything, but. No, listen. Trust me, I was thinking that.

I was like, because I literally got out of my car and I was like, I wanted to see what I was looking at. You know what I mean? I was like, am I seeing what I'm, you know, am I seeing this? You know, because of what happened two weeks before me

that seemed that checkmarked in the air. And I'm thinking, this is too much, man. You know, am I, I got to come back to reality. Yeah. And sometimes you question yourself, man.

You know, and this is out in the middle of nowhere. I'm telling you, there, probably half a mile to a mile away from there. But there's nothing because there's very little traffic on this road. But I mean, almost anything can happen on this road. It's interesting, the balls of light and stuff.

Because I don't know what it is and, you know, people see this stuff. And I'm like, I have no idea. I have no idea what it is. But the fact that you saw that within a two-week period of seeing what you saw out my way, I find that interesting. It almost makes you feel like, you know, you were blocked or something. I'm being stalked. Yeah, exactly.

It's kind of weird. But listen, I think you are being stalked. I mean, dude, you got, you got contracted to do the Raven Rock and then you can freaking see the checkmark. Dude, there's, listen, your experiences have been very interesting to hear. And it's been a pleasure talking to you about it, man. Yeah. It didn't seem like I was going to, wasn't going to be a very, interesting interview, just a truck driver delivering the Raven Rock.

Yeah, no. Then you Google search Thome and it's an evil twin. Yeah, man. Like I'm telling you, man, it's interesting for sure. And it's funny, like people, they'll say things to me like that too. They'll be, well, I don't know if it's enough for a full interview. And I'm like, well, let's give it a shot and see what happens. You know, so Thumb, I just called you Thumb.

I'm his twin. Yeah, man. Well, listen, I do appreciate coming on the show. and sharing, man. Okay. Yeah, Tony. Well, thank you for having me. Well, that's the show, but I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat, TikTok. We don't care where you share the show. Just share the show if you enjoyed it, because that's the best thing you can do to help the show grow. And until next week, friends, stay safe, take care, and remember, the truth will set you free, but first they'll piss you off.

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