The Confessionals - RELOADED | 234: Montana's Ghost Town

Episode Date: July 25, 2022

In Episode 234: Montana’s Ghost Town, we are joined by Dave and Luke who are filmmakers. Their most recent film, entitled "Trail of Justice,” had some bizarre and outright evil things happen to the cast during filming. Dave and Luke wanted to film in a real old western ghost town for their movie, but as they filmed, the term "ghost town" became more than just a cliche expression. Instead, it became a very tangible reality!Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/join SPONSORSGET Surfshark: surfshark.deals/confessionals GET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tony GET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionals GET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!! Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.com Get Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5 CONNECT WITH US Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter SOCIAL MEDIA Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaI TikTok: @theconfessionals Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7h Show Instagram: theconfessionalspodcast Tony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficial Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcas Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel

Merkel. Media. I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine? Out of a Dolion? Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves.

Time travel is possible. Welcome to Reloaded Monday. We have Montana's Ghost Town. episode two, three, four, where we bring on David and Luke to share their experiences while they were filming their movie Trail of Justice. These are two filmmakers that went to a ghost town to film a movie and they actually had ghostly experiences and they come on the show to share it all. I hope you guys enjoyed this Reloaded Monday episode. Let's get to it. Okay, I reload it.

This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, boning fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave, and they're all frozen.

And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like, this. Somebody else. Shoot them in the face. Shoot them in the face. They basically decapitated. Feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two small gray entities pulling it. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because I know I'm seeing

a monster. Yep. Welcome to the show. Everybody, you're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being. here. If you've had an encounter or a story like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is the confessionals at the confessionalspodcast.com. That's the confessionals at the confessionalspodcast.com. Or go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the contact section and you can reach me that way as well. Either it works for me, just get a hold of me. And if you want more of the show every week on Thursdays, we release a bonus episode on the website. So if you want more of the Confessionals, more encounter stories, access to forums and live shows,

go to the Confessionalspodcast.com, hit the join button and become a member today. Now, today we got a great couple of guests coming on the show. We have Luke and we have Dave and they're filmmakers and they were filming a movie called Trail of Justice. It's a Western movie and they filmed it in a ghost town in Montana. And when I say Ghost Town, this was literally a ghost town. It was an old Western town that is not. now a ghost town and they had some serious experiences on set. So we're going to get to those guys in a second here, but I have some interesting things I want to point in your direction because on this show,

we cover conspiracies and we cover the paranormal. And I've said it before and I'll say it again. I really believe at the highest levels and in some certain categories, the paranormal and conspiracy intertwines. And I think we have a great example of this through what's going on with this pandemic. And I don't want to go on the traditional route of the pandemic. But I had some listeners send me some clips this past week. It was actually one clip. Several listeners sent it to me. And they also sent me some shows, which was Clyde Lewis's show Ground Zero, which was

talking about this. And I thought it was a fascinating take that Clyde was presenting to the audience. And I wanted to present it to you guys as well. There is a show called Dead Zone, which aired in 2003. And one of the episodes was called The Plague. And the plague seems like it was written for what we're going through right now. Like verbiage, scenario, instances, medical, everything. Everything seems to be lining up exactly how they wrote it back in 2003.

So take a listen to this clip. And you tell me if today we're not experiencing exactly what they wrote back in 2003. And is this an instance of current times polling from past theater or past theater polling from future times. Are we talking about time travel here? Predictive programming? I find this clip very fascinating, so let's check it out right now.

Start. Well, he saw something. What is it? I saw a virus. I think. Some kind of disease. Virus, like what? Like SARS?

I don't know. All I know is that it's highly infectious. It may be fatal. Right now, we could all be infected. If we take this outside, We risk the hotel. Johnny, how big is this going to get? I don't know.

I just have to do everything we can't stop this, starting right now. He's right. All right, here's what's going to happen. We need to make sure that everybody that's inside stays inside. I'm going to get a few deputies on and we'll call it a lockdown. Well, until I come up with something better. No, no, you cannot lock the school doors. This is for your family's safety.

Maybe we should wear masks. What difference does it make? According to you, we've already been exposed. Let's get one thing straight, Mr. Smith. I'm responding to political pressure. You have no reason to be scared. Let me ask you something, Amy, animals. You've been around any animals in the backyard, even, let's say, a skunk, a raccoon.

I'm going to swab the inside of your mouth with this little Q-tip, trying to get a handle on this animal. Damn efficient airborne transatlantic. mission. Blood tests and swabs aren't telling you so much. We know it acts like a virus. It causes high fever and respiratory distress. Tracking and treating a mysterious outbreak like this would take the CDC months. We better get started that. Anyone who hasn't been exposed already needs to wear meth. China? Is that where flu viruses come from? Yeah. A lot of viruses come from there. That's no coincidence.

Whatever it is it originated in China. Time is not on our side. It's like looking for a needle than a needle stack. We have ruled out all the usual suspects, influenza, SARS, bacterial pneumonia. How was it going to take? Well, I took 34 days to isolate the coronavirus that caused SARS, and that's fast. I'm authorizing a quarantine on everyone who's come in contact with a symptomatic person. There's got to be something I can do.

And the enzyme has viruses. So the chloroquine. So the chloroquine. No, yeah. No. This is it. This is your virus. I'm sorry, but there's no cure for that.

That's an antimalarian drug. No. Listen, it suppresses the enzymes. Back, you damn fool. And everyone on chloroquine. Stop the thing dead in its tracks. Now, the CDC would have figured it out eventually, but not in time. Yep.

So that's the clip. and I was really, really fascinated by it because we live in a time where we look at Hollywood and we enjoy theater, we enjoy movies, we enjoy TV shows, and we understand that the people in those shows are portraying to be an expert in something, but they're really not, they're just acting. And are we living in a society and time where we have real life actors portraying to be something they're not, such as Bill Gates? And so I just wanted to present this clip to you guys to get you thinking on the level of, Hey, is there a paranormal angle to this where we're dealing with something that has happened in the past that was supposed to be fake that we're now dealing with in the future?

Was this predictive programming? Was this a time travel scenario? We see that the Simpsons talk about a lot of things that seem to happen. So are we talking about predictive programming? Are we talking about somebody who has access to future information or somebody in the future that has access to past information that goes even further back in time to place information for people of the present. right now. Very interesting stuff and I highly encourage people to check out this show Ground Zero with Clyde Lewis because that is a very good show to get you thinking outside your normal thought process. And one of the things he brings up is the Impossible Burger that Burger King put out last year, which is actually a no meat burger. It tastes like a whopper with a little bit of cardboard aftertaste, but it actually has no meat in it whatsoever. And he actually uses that as an example of a type of predictive programming where people were saying, why are they, coming out with a meatless burger? Why is Burger King? Burger King coming out with a meatless

burger. And now here we are just a year later. And we're facing a food shortage where not only is Burger King having a meatless burger, but Wendy's and McDonald's and all these other places might follow suit. I was actually just in the drive-through at Wendy's a few days ago. And I asked the guy in the drive-thru if they are running out of burgers. And he said to me that they are actually about a week away from running out of burgers. And he said to me that they are actually about a week away from running out of burgers. And I know in other places in the country, Wendy's actually pulled the burger off their menu. So we're facing a food shortage here. Are we going to see more of these companies take on meatless burgers and was the meatless burger by Burger King called the Impossible Whopper

a form of predictive programming? Very, very interesting stuff. I just wanted to share with you because my mind was blown when I started thinking about this stuff. So without any further delay, let's get to Luke and David and their ghost stories from the ghost town in Montana right now. All right, today we got a great show coming up. We have David and Luke. David, Luke, how are you guys? I'm doing well. How are you asking Tony? I'm doing good. So, you know, typically we don't have two people on the show. I mean, we do when it's opportune time and stuff, and today is an opportune time. So you guys are going to be sharing some paranormal experiences that you guys have had together working on a movie set that you guys were putting together. Now, I want to talk

about this movie a little bit real quick because David sent the trailer in one of the emails and I checked it out and I get people sending me stuff. You know, I get people sending me videos and things like that. I was really impressed with the production value of this movie. I'm like, I'm sitting there watching the show. I'm like, yep, I can't wait to watch this movie. And so it's called Trail of Justice. And one of you guys, please chime in and just let the audience know what the movie's about and kind of what spawned the idea of it. So basically, three years ago, I was sitting there with one of my buddies and like, hey, you want to make a movie? And he's like, sure.

And I was like, well, do you actually seriously want to make one? Because if I do it, I'm not going to kind of mess around and want to be serious about it. And he's like, oh, yeah, sure. So, long story short, me and David started kind of talking then about just story outline ideas. And the one, like, main theme I had for the film in general was like, why should you choose? good over evil, which kind of is where the name actually came from, Trail of Justice. And then we just went from there. And yeah, now it's a realization with the choices he's made and is about to make. And yeah, it kind of goes from there. I can't really say too much about it

because of the whole marketing thing. But we're getting ready to release another trailer. And as soon as that happens, it'll kind of talk about more storyline. So we spent a lot of a lot of late nights together, almost exactly two years ago, actually. Just sitting up talking, writing outlines, and developing characters, plot lines, dialogue, just the whole nine yards, you know. And Luke Heath put a lot of really top-notch effort

and, you know, talents and blood, sweating tears into this thing in the days and months since then. He's my little cousin, so I'm proud to see him, you know, really stepping into his own. he's been doing really, really well with it. So it's cool to see everything come together, too, after so many people have put in so much effort over so many months. And we hope to, you know, make something big out of it.

Absolutely. I mean, I think that it's definitely worth people checking out and stuff. And, you know, it's funny when you first started describing the process of it coming together, you made it sound like you were two guys sitting on a couch eating Cheetos and playing PlayStation. You're like, you want to start a movie? Sure. All right. Cool.

That's no joke how it was minus the Cheetos. It's just funny how things come together because, you know, ideas are born out of boredom sometimes, a lot of times. And the problem is when you get a good idea about something, it might be a good idea, but the desire and passion to follow it through usually isn't there. And usually as soon as somebody realizes how hard it is to do something, they back off. of it. I see it all the time with podcasting. I have a lot of people that reach out to me asking, you know, what does it take to do podcasting? And I just give them like a, I should actually save a list and just copy paste it, but I give them like the truthful, honest answer. It's like,

if you want this to turn into something legit for yourself, here's what you need to do. If you're just doing it as a hobby, it doesn't matter. But if you, if you're doing it as something you want to really turn it into, here's all the work you need to do on day one and carry it through. and most people don't start a podcast then because they don't realize how hard it is, you know? And so. Well, because they sit there and they watch the finished product and they're like, oh, man, I'd love to do that, but they don't imagine all the work that goes into it. You know what I mean?

Absolutely. I mean, we're sitting here recording this interview right now and this isn't even the first step in the process. The first step in the process is going through the emails, communicating with people and lining things up. And then those people waiting their turn to get to the interview. and then we do the interview, we do the productions, and we send it out to audio producers and artists. And it's just a big, it's a big effort, you know.

But I think it's really cool that you guys had this idea and then had the passion to follow through on it. And like I said, the trailer looks amazing. I mean, the production value is on point. And that's a big hurdle to overcome. I mean, a lot of people have ideas, but to put the production value in there and also get the storyline across. That's a hard thing to do. especially in like a minute and 40 seconds like yours was. So kudos to you guys. It's awesome. And the reason why we're talking about the movie is because you guys had paranormal experiences happening on the

set of this movie. And some of the stuff you were saying in the email, David, was very fascinating. And I think towards the end of the email, you said there were other things that had happened that you didn't really go into detail. But we can definitely get into any detail you guys want to get into. So if you guys want to start it off here, I don't care who goes first, David or Luke, but how did this all start coming together for you guys where you started realizing there was paranormal stuff going on here? Because I imagine it's not something that hit you right away. The interesting thing is Luke is the one who actually experienced far and away, way more of the activity that actually went on. The first night I was there, I definitely did experience a little bit

of, you know, odd sensations in one of the buildings that we were at. But it was really just that first night after that, it was pretty well and eventful for me. Luke was the one who shared with me after the fact that a significant number of, you know, just crazy things had been going on for several, several days. And, you know, I'll just give you a little bit of context for Luke and I, you know, we're, you know, spirit-filled Christians, you know, don't believe that, you know, any dark forces or anything that has any power or authority over us. But, you know, the fact that matter is there's still a lot of things out there that we

don't fully understand. And, you know, like in the Bible, in the book of Daniel, there's this one instance where Daniel, he's praying and fasting, I believe it's three weeks time, and he's waiting for an answer from God. And finally, an answer comes to him after three weeks, and the angel says, you know, your answer came right away, Daniel. and I'm paraphrasing, obviously. But then he says,

but the Prince of Persia, which there's a whole lot of other things I can go into on what that means, but basically this spiritual entity had kept him at bay during that time and prevented the answer from getting to him right away.

And I say that to say, there's a whole lot that goes on kind of in the spiritual aspect of things that even though we don't necessarily have to be afraid of it, we still have to recognize and understand that there are things out there that we just, we're just not privy to the answer for.

And, you know, that can be both a disconcerting and comforting thing in that. You know, we don't have to be afraid, but we still have to do our best to, you know, be mindful and be wary of it. Yeah, Luke, why don't you kind of just start off with some of the first things that you began to notice them? Well, let me start this whole, like, story off by saying that, and yes, I am a Christian. and like David was saying, and we do have a lot of, like, spiritual things in our past, and just in general, that's, like, what we were raised around. But the point I'm trying to get out here is, like,

I was never one of those guys that was just, like, ghosts are real type of thing and this whole, you know what I mean? I don't really know how to explain it other than, like, the main people that I talk to about, like, ghosts and just weird stories and stuff are, like, to put it, like nicely like semi crazy or I feel like a lot of people label them as crazy you know what I mean and I'm not saying that I'm oh I'm not crazy or whatever I'm just saying that when this all started off I wasn't sitting there going or I wasn't coming from a standpoint of like

even I don't know you watch like ghost movies and stuff and or whatever it is right and like all this crazy stuff is happening and you don't ever want to do that. to think that that's going to happen like in real life. Like you try to walk out of the theater after you watch like a horror movie and you're like, oh, I'm just glad that isn't like an actual thing. You know what I mean? And that's kind of where I was always at. Yeah, you know. And so, uh, oh, go ahead.

Yeah, real quick. And I understand where you're coming from. Everybody comes into these situations in life with their own worldviews and the way they view the world. Uh, some people are theistic as in being Christians or whatever. Some, you know, a theist could be Muslim too. You just believe in a higher being than yourself. Some people are atheists. Some people, you know, have these just different worldviews. Some people are wikins. And so these worldviews do shape how they view their experiences. And so you coming into this experience beforehand, you really didn't pay much of mind to it. You didn't really, you know, believe or whatever. And, but it doesn't change the fact that you went through an

experience that on the other end of it, you may have come out thinking a little differently than beforehand. That's the commonality in all of this. It doesn't matter what you believe, whether you're a Christian, Muslim, Wiccan, an atheist, you can have all four of those people in one room and put them through the same exact experience. And they're going to walk out of that room describing that experience, but very differently because they all went into that room with different worldviews. And so that's a very important thing for people to understand when it comes to this stuff. Not everybody's on the same page when the experience starts, but at the end of it, you can say, yep, something did happen. We may disagree on what it was, but something did happen.

And the kind of viewpoint, I always, like, I came into this, like, oh, and you'll, like, hearing the stories, but the viewpoint that I was, like, at the time, it was like, whenever anybody told you a crazy story about, like, you know, my car door opened or whatever it was, you know what I mean you're always like okay well where's the proof like did you get a picture or anything you know what i mean like is there any kind of way you can prove what you're saying is like true or were you just tripping you know what i mean yeah and uh that's kind of how i was view like everything that would happen i was like okay you guys are pulling my leg because like i mean there were over like 200 people involved in making this movie and there was probably a solid like 50 or 60 people

that had things happen to them like in this specific town And I would always be like, okay, you know, like, what did you have to drink the night before, whatever, you know what I mean? And it's just like when things started happening to like me personally, I was like, okay, probably the majority of what these people are saying is actually legit. Because a lot of the stories that I have actually came from other people. I mean, I heard stories. I was hearing stories of like just crazy things happening like three, four months after we were done filming. And like everybody was back home and the stories just kept coming in. from other people that I just didn't have time to, like, communicate with, like, on set, you know what I mean?

Yeah. So, with that said, let's start working into some of these experiences. Now, Luke, it sounds like a lot of stuff you've experienced. I don't know who wants to go first. I know, David, you said you experienced stuff the first day. So maybe, David, if you want to start out with just sharing what you experienced and kind of run it into with what Luke had experienced. Yeah. Yeah. My part in this is going to be pretty brief because the only thing that really happened was, well, I'll just say this. My daughter, you know, she came on the trip with us. My wife and I, we drove out to Montana to, you know, for a couple weeks to be part of this filming. We don't live in Montana, at least not yet. We're hoping to do that in the future, but we got there and, you know, the days of events went on. We were setting up

for the week, you know, getting our beds all done because we were actually staying on set for a couple weeks of filming. And there's this one church building in this old western town that was, it was not only the set, it was also, there was like hospitality suites. And in some of the decrepit old buildings, you walked inside of them, it was like a four-star hotel on the inside of them. So that was pretty cool. And like, we got to stay in some of the rooms. Well, the church that you'll see in the film was the building that my wife and I and my sister and my daughter all ended up staying in. Well, you know, the night goes on and suddenly one of the guys who, he's one of the main characters in the film, he and I think one or two other people,

they sprinted back to where everybody was having supper. And he says, hey, like, there's something going on in the church. He didn't really want to tell me all the details, but he's like, I just felt like a really bad presence, just some weird stuff was going on. And just for context, you know, I guess I'm seen as something of more of like a, I don't know, Luke, if you want to interject and there's something more of like kind of a spiritual leader kind of person within the group.

I just got my pastoral credentials, you know, going to be joining the Army as a chaplain pretty soon. And so, yeah, I was just, I kind of had that that kind of role within the group. And so they talked to me about it. And he said something weird and creepy and, you know, potentially spiritual is going on there. So I just, like,

the dead sprint, along with Luke's younger brother, getting in, we just went out into the church as fast as we could. And, like, we scoured the building, like, looking for something, looking to see if anybody else was in there. And, you know, it's night, and we're out on what feels like, you know, an abandoned Western ghost town almost. So it's already kind of got a creepy vibe on its own. But, like, we look throughout the church and there's nothing there.

So we just walk through it and pray through it all until, you know, the kind of unsettled feeling that was over. over at last. You know, that was the end of that. But what I didn't know until a bit later was what had happened to the guy who ended up running back to let me know that, you know, something had gone on in there. And Luke, that's where you can take over and explain what happened to him. Okay, so let me kind of set up the whole picture here.

So this was the first day. We've been filming for about a week, and we filmed in, like, I think, four different locations. And this was the third location, third to last location, that was. were filming it's called Anaconda. There's a town in the Montana. It's called Anaconda. And then there's just like an old ghost town, quote unquote ghost town.

It wasn't an actual, like, it wasn't built back in the 1800s or whatever. There was like a rich lady that built the town and then like actually picked up buildings from all over Montana and brought them in and like built this town and then refurbished the insides and turned it into a bed and breakfast. Well, the bed and breakfast ended up shutting down, long story short. the lady was kind of, to put it nicely different, and the town just wouldn't work for her. And so the bed and breakfast shuts down, and I'm looking for a place to film, like an actual town, Western town, to film on my movie in, and I hear about this town from the film office.

We go out there, long story short, we get a book. So now, this is the first day that we arrive on set. David drives up and finally makes it to Montana. We were setting up equipment all day, setting up kind of our base camp, getting all the computers and just all the cameras out and ready to go for tomorrow, start filming and stuff.

So David shows up, and, I mean, he's been, well, it was like two days of driving or something for you, David? Yeah,

yeah, was it a long haul. Yeah, so he shows up with, there was like one, like, private room with an actual bathroom. that we gave him with him and his wife and his younger, her young daughter.

And we set him up there and then everybody goes down to the bar. So there's the church at the top of the town and then probably 300, 400 yards down at the end of the town, opposite end of the town is the bar. And that's where we all kind of had base camp set up, which is where, like just setting this up, the most like, I don't know what we're going to call. I'm just going to call them spirits or whatever. whatever you, I don't know. Like, I don't know what they are, but I'm just going to say spiritual entities, okay?

So the most, like, activity that ended up happening to, like, us and the people that were working with us was in the church and in the bar. And then there was one building across from the bar. It's like a white house. And that's where some other stuff happened to. So we're all down here eating dinner and just BSing around, just talking about the shoot day for tomorrow. well Andrew he's one of our main characters in the film

I had to go up and get a jacket or something from in the church he goes in and instantly just feels like I talked to him about this after because he didn't tell like anybody what happened like on the set so like probably six months later I talked to him he finally tells me like what happened when we would up there because what I physically saw is him come running down and he's like freaking out because he says there's something like demonic or something going up in the church.

And then I see David just take off and my little brother. And I'm like, oh, great. Now I got to like settle all these people down because Andrew just kind of burst through the door and it's like, holy crap, guys, you know what I mean? And I'm like, oh, boy. And I'm like, and everybody's like, what is he talking about? So I'm sitting down there just trying to tell people like, look, he's not crazy. I don't know exactly what's going on.

But, you know what I mean? Anyway, so I see David and Andrew run off. well, six months later, I talked to Andrew, and I'm like, so, dude, like, what exactly happened? Because there was a night where we were just talking about, like, we had a film meeting, and then it kind of just turned into, like, the whole ghost spiritual entity, talk of conversation. I was like, dude, like, what actually happened to you, like, that day? And this is what he told me.

He said he goes into the church, and as soon as he, like, opens the door, like, all the lights are, everything's dark, but he just feels like this immense, like, darkness, like hovering over him and just like consume him, like as he's walking through the church to his room. Because the church is kind of where everybody slept. And so he's walking through to his room and he says as he's walking in, he just feels like a kind of a tornado. Like I don't really know how to explain it because it's just,

I don't even know who could even explain it. But anyway, just like this tornado of like darkness like encircling him, the deeper he gets in. And then all of a sudden, he says he, like, turned around to, like, leave and something just pushes him up against the wall, and he falls over, and he, like, can't breathe for, like, solid 20, 30 seconds,

can't get up or whatever. And then he finally gets up and just books it out of the church and turns around and, like, looks at the church, and he's, like, freaked out. Like, he doesn't know what the heck just happened. And so then he's freaking out because, like, he doesn't know what's going on. He runs down to David, and then basically that's where David came in on the story.

But that was his end of the story and, like, basically what happened. And that's kind of what kicked off our whole week was just like, nobody was expecting anything. And then all of a sudden the last person that anybody would think a ghost story or whatever you want to call it was coming from was Andrew, you know, like the quote of quote, most, like, saying one of the group. You know what I mean? Well, all right. So let me ask you real quick. Did you, so you didn't know what exactly happened till well after the fact. So you just knew that something happened and, you know, you were just more trying to keep the peace and sanity

amongst everybody before you really found out anything. For that specific story, yeah. Okay. All right. So you were going into these other experiences, not knowing what initially kicked everything off. Going into the other experiences thinking, okay, that was like a little weird to start our first day of filming off. But, you know, we've got to film a movie. So let's just keep going. And I didn't really think anything of it. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Absolutely. So go ahead and what happened next. Okay. So it's probably about the second or third day. And actually hang on. The second day, Nick, Nick DeBore, which is our director slash videographer slash editor slash he's a freaking amazing genius with on a computer. He's the one that put together that trailer. But anyway, he comes up to me. And this is what kind of made me

like so suspicious of everything because at the beginning I was just like there's no way you know like okay yeah maybe Andrew freaked out or something but who knows like you might have had something bad in his food type of thing you know what I mean anyway so Nick comes up to me and he tried sleeping in the bar up so there's okay there's a bar okay and there's like a huge building you'll see it in the movie but up above the bar there's two rooms there's uh what's called the brothel, which was never really used as a brothel, like I said, the lady built the town for a bed and breakfast. The right-hand side was, there's a separate room, and the floor's, like, rotting out in it, but there's, like, two beds in there, and then we just set up all of our,

the charging stations, the computers, the drives, just everything, our cameras, everything we put in that room. Well, Nick and this other kid named Sam, uh, try sleeping in that room because, like, we don't want to leave that stuff on guard it because there's like literally like $30,000 worth of equipment just sitting in that room type of thing, you know? And the way that this bar and this room was set up is in order to get in the room, there was one way into this room. You walk up like this flight of stairs, but it's like a super narrow staircase. And that's the only way into the, into the room above the bar. But the door, like nobody even knew there was a room above the bar. And we didn't tell anybody there was because we didn't want anybody going up there with all of our equipment

and we locked that door every day when we went out to sound. But the door is like in around like this weird setup. I don't even know. Like you can't get into this room like through the bar. You have to go outside of the building, walk around behind the building, and then walk up just one flight of staircase and that's the only entrance into the room. Okay. So anyway, Nick kind of comes up to me and he's like the next day and he's like, dude, I did not

so good at all. And at the time, I didn't think about it because I was just like, okay, you know, like, Nick just needs more coffee. You know, I don't know. Like, I was too busy, like, scheduling people and saddling horses and just 50 other million different things we had to do for the film. I'm in charge of all the scheduling and all the prep work and just everything, you know what I mean? And I acted in the movie on top of it. So, anyway, Nick comes up to me as like, me and Sam were sleeping in that room. And all of a sudden, like, during the middle of the night, we'd come.

couldn't fall asleep and we both just got up and just ran outside because it was just like they said they started not crying but like feeling like they wanted to cry or something and I might be misquoting them and like butchering the stories so they're going to kill me later but I'm just trying to get there as far as my memory serves you know but anyway he said something about some feeling of just utter sadness came on them and then I think it was either I think it was Sam runs out of the building and just like throws up. And then they were freaked out and just like slept

in the car for the rest of the week. So nobody like went back up in that room to sleep at all because people were like, okay, that's weird. And again, I didn't think anything of it, you know? Then Nick comes up to me and Nick is known for trying to just, Nick

is the guy that just jokes around but like practical jokes that makes you believe like, oh my mom just died type of thing. I got to go to Missoula at our funeral and you're like, oh my gosh. And he's like, got you type of guy, you know what I mean? Or whatever. One that thinks he has a sense of humor, but he doesn't really have that great

sense of humor. Exactly, yeah. And so kind of like the cliche movie, like jokester guy, you know what I mean? But anyway, so that the third day comes around and Nick comes down and he's like, he comes up to me and Christian, Christian's the other producer with me. And he's like, okay, I don't know who's going. going like into the room upstairs, but this rocking chair keeps getting like moved around. And I'm like, okay, like, I was in there because nobody's allowed in there.

So I make a physical announcement to everybody like in camp. I'm like, nobody's allowed to go in this room. It's off limits to everybody except for director and producers, blah, blah, blah. And everybody's like, okay. That night, and this is where, this is probably one of the biggest things that happened to me personally, okay? So that night we were filming a death in the movie itself. And I can't really go into too much detail as far as like who was in that scene because the movie hasn't been released yet, obviously. So I'm limited on able to talk about the storyline.

But basically we're filming this death. And I'm in the scene and one other person's in the scene. Well, me and that person wanted to just get away and kind of get into our acting zone. of just like death. So like we were literally sitting there thinking about just dying. You know what I mean? And so

I'll just call him Gideon. So Gideon goes up into this room and he pulls over this rocking chair and I have a picture of this actually. It's super creepy. But he pulls this rocking chair over to the window, sits in the chair, looks out the window and he's just sitting there

like thinking about death. And then I walk up the staircase into this room, because it was the most private room, there was probably like 70, 80 people there at this point. So we were just trying to get away to ourselves and just get into our zones, right? So getting in the polls, just rocking sure up to this window. He sits there and he's just rocking back and forth, looking out the window, just thinking about death. I'm sitting there, listening to music and reading the script and just getting in my zone, right?

And we were in there for probably like three or four hours. And now that I think back on it, I had just a really insane amount of depression slash sadness, but I didn't think of it at the time as being like abnormal because that's what I was trying to get into, you know? But like now that I think back on it, it was like abnormally like sadness type of thing. and my

Gideon even confirmed he had the same feelings so anyway we go film the scene afterwards everything is good we get what we need for the scene we all go to bed

the next day Nick comes back and he's like dude every time I leave that room because there was one chair the rocking chair that Gideon sat at so Nick comes up to me he's like every time I go up there and like put

all of our film on the storage and I was like sitting in this rocking chair every time I leave and come back the rocking chair is back over by the window and I'm like yeah right because like I said Nick's this jokester guy and like bull crap and then he goes up to Christian's like dude I'm not joking

like somebody keeps going in there and Christian's like there's no way because we literally locked that door and Nick's like I don't know what to tell you but we got to figure out like who's going in there and I'm like okay whatever so me and Christian go up there and we're like, if Nick is serious, then we're going to, like, get to the bottom of this because the only thing that was, like, misplaced in that room was the rocking chair that Gideon was sitting in thinking about death. So we take this rocking chair and we lock it in, we lock it in the bathroom.

There's, like, there's a deal with, like, a bathtub in the bathroom in this room. So we take the rocking chair, put it in the bathtub, close the door and lock the door. And then we leave and we go and film for two to three hours or whatever. We come back and me and Christian go back up in that room. Nobody's been in that room, quote unquote, nobody that we heard of. And we were having people like sit there watching and making sure nobody would go in. Because, I mean, we had people down at base camp the whole time because we'd have to get things, you know. So we're like, okay, just make sure like nobody goes.

goes in this room. And my sisters are like, okay, whatever. So we leave, come back three hours later, we go up there. The door, the bathroom door is open like three inches and the rocking chair is sat back in the exact

spot where Gideon was sitting there watching out the window. And at this point I'm like, okay, somebody is pulling our leg because I've been with Nick the whole time. Like he's been behind the camera for three hours. he's still on his way back with the equipment.

So me and Christian are like, all right, we got to see if this is actually a thing because this is creepy. So we take a knife and we mark and like very small marks on the floor exactly where the rocking chair is sitting. And the only people that know that we mark this is me and Christian. So we take the rocking chair, put it back in the bathroom, lock the door, put it in the bathtub and lock the door. and then we leave and lock the other door going into the room.

Again, two or three hours later after filming, we come back in, and the rocking chair is sitting in the exact spot on the exact marks. And so me and Chris are like, okay, that's a little trippy, but somebody could still, there's got to be a reasonable explanation type of thing. So we take this rocking chair, lock it back in the bathroom again, and this time we take two other chairs and place them on the stairs to where it's blocking. You can't walk up these stairs unless you move the chairs physically. And then we mark with little tiny spots only we know on the floor where these chairs are sitting.

So if somebody does move the chairs and puts them back, we'll know the exact like spots and we'll know if they've been moved or somebody physically went up into that room. And like I said, that was the only way into the room. So we put those chairs there, mark it, leave, lock all the doors, go. And this time we sat there for like 45 minutes staring at the door, making sure nobody went in. And we're like, okay, you know, this got to be enough time or whatever, like, because this is just weird. Open the door and make sure the chairs, like, blocking the staircase in the exact same position on the exact marks than they were. We move the chairs, walk up, and there's the rocking chair. sitting in front of the window in the exact same march and the bathroom door is open three inches.

Wow. And we're just like, at that point, me and Chris are just like, okay, this is the creepiest, weirdest thing. And the thing that made it so creepy is, Gideon was literally sitting there thinking about death. You know what I mean? Like, and that's exactly where the rocking chair goes back to you every time. And we did that. By the end of filming, that chair literally probably moved 20.

to 40 times. Then it will always end up back in the exact same spot. So it became a very regular thing for you guys dealing with this rocking chair then. Exactly. And was it something that was well publicized amongst everybody? Everybody knew about this at that point. After me and Christian, like basically quote unquote did those tests or whatever, then yeah, like we went around and we're like, guys, there are literally like ghosts in this town because this doesn't just happen. You know what I mean? And so then people were like looking around, not necessarily looking around, but they were mindful like, oh man, this is like actually a ghost town. They're not just calling it a ghost town.

Like this is creepy type of thing, you know? Because like the last person that, like, and when I say this, I'm not saying it loosely at all. The last person that would walk around saying like there's ghosts in this town would have been me on set, me and Nick. I remember one person had actually suggested. they had heard that one of the last groups who have come in and filmed in that location had actually filmed some type of horror movie and so they had like suggested

maybe the reason some of this weird stuff is happening is because of something got brought in by that last film crew or you know it was just there was just some speculation as what could have you know cause this because otherwise it was just you know a bunch of old buildings that had been a bed and breakfast you know, it wasn't anything.

I mean, you can actually, if you just go a little bit further down the path that leads to this little town, you're basically within the city limits. So it's not like you're out in this, you know, creepy spot in the middle of nowhere. But, yeah, it's pretty weird. Yeah, it is. It is definitely weird. And, you know, I sit around and I watched a lot of YouTube videos and stuff when I'm working in the office.

And, you know, I'll venture into these ghost hunters. doing these, they'll film their, you know, doing what they do, hunting ghosts and trying to get evidence on camera and things like that. And you see them and they'll, they'll come across things where like a door will open up on camera, you know, you'll see stuff. And you sit there and you think, are they faking this, you know, like, you don't know. They could easily do that. Yeah. Yeah. And and you don't, you don't know. I mean, you're just literally trusting that they're authentic, authenticistic and you know at some point you say well it's entertaining at least so let's just keep watching you know yeah but uh when you hear somebody telling their story and like even for you

in your own shoes you know it takes all those things you might have seen before on youtube and things like that throws it out the winter me like i don't know if they were faking it but this is for real you know yeah right exactly yeah so that was like the first the first thing that kind of kicked it off that actually made me go, okay, all these stories that other people are telling me are actually legit, so now I need to start listening type of thing. Yeah, so what else happened then? I mean, from that point on, I mean, I know there's other things that were to happen. Okay, so I'm going to kind of, like at this point, I'm going to kind of just go into the, like, there were probably no joke, like, 30 or 40 different things that happened, but I'm going to, like,

hit, like, the two or three, like, bigger ones, and then I'm going to, like, tell you, like, basically what ended up happening to the town because now there's like an actual family living in the town and we actually went back to this year so that when went so when this all is going down this is almost a year and a half ago that I'm talking about just all this other stuff happening but literally like four months ago we went back to the town and did reshoots and more stuff happened so I'm going to kind of like keep the other experiences down to a minimal and just kind of tell you the most like insane ones and then I'll go into like the actual history because the family that's living there now is like actually trying to research and find out what the

hell is going on. You know what I mean? And there's some pretty crazy stuff because they've lived there for almost eight months to a year now. They're going on a year actually this year or the end of this year. They're going to be living there for a year. And they have, oh man, their stories blow mine out of the water. You know what I mean? Because I was there for a week. Right. Anyway, so it gets to be probably, David has left at this point, and we have, I think, two to three days left of filming in the town. And like I said, there's just been weird things going on,

like very minimal, like, you know, this door open, that light came on. You know, like I heard, oh, actually, my little brother was, like, these are kind of like the little things that was going on. My little brother was laying in the room with me, or me and Christian and Gideon, which is my little brother, all sleeping in the same room. Well, Gideon's sleeping on the floor

and I'm on the bed. And one of the nights, Gideon just, like, waked up in the middle of the night because he heard, in his words, he heard a little girl whisper in his ear like, come and play with me.

And he just wakes up and he's like freaking out looking around and he's like, he said the first thing he thought was like, what girl, like, who just came into our room because this is like the guy's room type of thing. So he gets up and's like looking around for a girl. It's pitch black and like me and Christian and Andrew are all over there snoring. You know what I mean?

And he's like, okay, what the heck and just goes back to bed. Which I thought that was creepy because Gideon's the only one that actually like physically quote unquote heard something talking to him, you know. But anyway, that was like one of the examples of like the smallest things that were going. on. So what ends up happening is like two or three days, we have two or three days left of filming. I can't remember exactly how many more we were supposed to be there. But my kids pastor comes up. And this guy is like, if you want to talk to somebody that has had paranormal experiences, you need to talk to this guy because this guy's literally like traveled to Egypt and Italy and just experienced some

wacky stuff. Like, oh my gosh. But anyway, this guy is in the movie and he comes up for like the last two days he's in the scenes and so he stays in that white house that i was talking about uh that's like straight across from the bar okay and then this other guy named jess he comes up and this jeff is kind of like uh i don't want to talk bad about anybody but he's like just a different kind of guy like not not necessarily like a loner but like he kind of stays to himself more or less you know what i mean and uh so he uh Everybody was supposed to stay in the church, because the church has like three floors,

and we just set out a whole bunch of sleeping bags, and then when we film, we just put all of our sleeping gear away, and then go and film, you know. But anyway, so we're like, right, Jeff, you know, come up here and, you know, stay in the church and blah, blah, blah. Well, I'm managing, like, 70, 80 different people a day at this point

because we're doing a huge battle scene in the movie. And, I mean, I'm, like, saddle. I'm managing people saddling, like, 12 horses and then I have 12 actors riding those horses and then I have like six to eight people that those people and horses are fighting that I'm managing and making sure like all they're in their costumes and just everything. So I wasn't all that to say that I wasn't like keeping track of Jeff and where he was sleeping for the next three days, you know, other than I told him where to bunk at. So later I find out that Jeff went and slept in the room right of

across from where the chair was moving around the brothel above the bar. And when I, when you go, when I went back and talked to the owners like this year, they said the, like I said before, the most like spiritual entity like type of things that happen is in the bar and in the church. And I mean, people were sleeping in the church like having word things, but like I said, Nick tried sleeping in the bar, but then one of them went out and ended up, I mean, that ended in literal somebody's throwing up, you know. Jeff goes and sleeps in the brossel

above the bar on the actual bed in there and my mom and my sister are down it's like two in the morning at this point and they're in the kitchen like cooking for like 80 people the next day and uh

anyway so Jeff is right above them in the room like sleeping right well they just hear like and this I'm filling in the stories between like Jeff has told me some stuff and then my parents and my sister have told me some like stuff that went on and then also the youth pastor. So I'm telling you a story that like I put together from like four or five different people telling me their ends of the story. Okay. So Jeff said she's sleeping in this brothel, right? And he just wakes up. Like he said in the

middle of the night he wakes up and his bed's just like shaking. Like it's like somebody grabbed his bed and was just violently, like, just shaking it. So he wakes up, looks around nobody's there, and this guy must have had balls of steel because at that point I'd have literally pissed my pants and ran out, okay? But this guy goes back to bed, and he's heard all the stories about, you know, everything that's been going on for the past week, you know, people whispering in ears and chairs moving around and the list goes on. But anyway, he goes back to sleep and second time wakes up.

somebody's just like violently shaking his bed, wakes up, looks around, nobody's there. And he's like, okay, what the hell? Well,

um, Jeff is a photographer. So he sets up his camera and, uh, one of the corners, like on his bed. And his camera had, it wasn't a digital camera.

It was like a physical switch to turn on and off. Okay. So he flips his camera on and then he puts it on the, uh, like the motion detect mode or whatever. So if something like walks by, it'll take a picture. set his camera there up in the corner, turns it on, goes back to bed.

He said, like, two hours later, his bed just starts shaking again, and he wakes up, looks around, it stops, and he walks over to his camera, and, like, to see, like, what the hell's going on, picks up his camera, and the cameras flipped, like, physically flipped off, like, somebody took their thumb and just turned the camera off. And he's, like, the battery, he says the batteries were full, like, there was, you know what I mean? Like, in order for that, like, even if the batteries died,

the switch wouldn't have flipped to the off position. And so then he starts, like, and the crazy thing is that was the first night he slept there. The second night, he goes back up there and sleeps in there. And I'm like, dude, why the heck would, I don't even remember his explanation for why I just kept going and sleeping in there. I think he just didn't want to be around anybody else. But, bro, like, I'd rather be with a person than a spirit or whatever you want to call him. And so anyway, he goes up there the second night.

And my mom and sister are now down in the kitchen cooking. And this next story is probably the most intense that happened to anybody on set. And this is coming from three different people. But the way that it plays out and you'll kind of hear as I talk about it, I think it was like two different spiritual entities in this one specific story because like just crazy things happen. So anyway, Jeff goes up. He falls of sleep in that room back in the brothel the second night, which dang, like he's got some balls. Uh, my pastor Joel goes up in the white house, which nobody has slept in at this point, but he had a family

so like, okay, you can just like sleep in this house type thing. He goes in the house and he said as soon as he went in the door, he, and this is the guy that I said has crazy stories of his own encounters that are just mind-boggling. But anyway, he said as soon as he went in and was getting ready for bed, he just felt a spiritual presence. And he said he prayed over it and, like, told it to leave the house, basically. And, like, in Jesus' name type of thing. So he said, as soon as he said that prayer, he saw at peace or whatever, his family went

to sleep. Everything was good on their end. Now, back over to Jeff. Jeff is sleeping up in the brothel, and my mom and sister are over. And this is all happening around the same time. Like, there's, like, 15 to 20 minutes different difference in, like, when every single one of these happens. So my mom and my sister are downstairs in the kitchen cooking in the bar. And all of a sudden, they just hear these doors just opening and slamming and opening and slamming, like, constantly.

But it isn't just one door. It's like four or five doors. So they're like, what the heck is that? Because everybody's in bed. So my mom and sister go out and they go over to like the brothel and in order to get into the brothel you had to like go up these stairs and then there was like there I think there was a door leading into the stairs. There was a door at the top of the stairs and then there was a door like in the bathroom but you could see all three doors. If all the doors were open you could see all three doors okay because the bathroom was like as soon as you get up the stairs the bathroom straight across from the stairs and then you turn right and you'd go in and there's the beds and the dresser and whatever else, which is where Jeff was sleeping.

So mom and Esther opened this door, like leading into the brothel, look up the staircase, and the doors are just swinging violently, like, open and closed, opening closed, open and closed, like two, two, three. It was, I think it was a third door at the bottom of the stairs, but it was like mom and sister interacted with it, then it stopped, and they opened the door and they said they see these doors just opening, closing, and they're like, Jeff, like, what the heck is going on up there? Jeff doesn't even hear it or anything. And as soon as he wakes up, they stop.

And he comes over to the door, and he's like, what's the problem? And my mom and sister were, like, yelling. Like, are you okay? Like, what's going on? He wakes up, didn't even hear the door is nothing, which I don't know how that happened. But anyway, he goes over the door and he's like, I'm okay. Like, I don't know why you guys are freaking out. And Mom and Esther, like, the doors were literally just like opening and slamming,

and you're just sleeping there. And he's like, yeah, basically or whatever. and I don't know how that ended and I don't even know how he kept sleeping in that room but anyway he goes back to bed my mom and sister go back into the kitchen and start cooking and as far as I can tell

with the time that people told me this all happened this is like probably five, ten minutes later after they go back into the bar that's when Joel prays over this thing or whatever in the other room this other spiritual entity in the White House

and my mom and sister are back in the kitchen and all of a sudden they hear this door just open and slam but this time it's the door leading into the actual bar and they're like okay somebody just got up and it's mad and then all of a sudden they just hear this like banging like just constant like boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom and so Esther's like okay I don't know what the heck so she goes out and she's looking around nobody's in the

in the bar, but there's this chandelier made out of a wagon wheel hanging from the ceiling. And the ceiling is like 15 feet probably above the ground. You can't just like walk over and grab it and start swinging it around, right? But this thing is swinging so violently. It's like hitting the ceiling back and forth.

Like every time swings left hits the ceiling, swings right into the ceiling, and it's just going. back and forth not stopping, like a clock. Just boom, boom, boom. So Esther freaks out. And my mom is like a pretty tough freaking lady. And she was raised in like a Christian home.

And she's been, her father is actually a pastorate. So she goes in, tells mom, and mom's, my sister's freaking out at this point. Mom goes over, goes out and sees the chandelier, jumps up on a table and grabs the chandelier. and it's still like trying to swing around, she said, and she prays over it for like five, ten minutes and it finally just stops and everything like finally settles. And then she like gets off the table and the Shandler finally quits. And she goes back into the kitchen and they're like, what the heck just happened? And what she thinks happened is as soon as Joel like prayed over this whatever it was,

it got mad, leaves the White House and literally physical. Oh, and they also said when they heard the, the door like opened and slammed, they heard footsteps too. It wasn't just like the door opened and shut. It was the door opened who shuts and there's footsteps and then bang, bang, bang, bang. So they think whatever Joel prayed over, it got mad, stomped over and kind of just threw this temper tantrum in the bar and that's what they actually like saw. Dang. Mom's serious. Wow. I mean, that takes some, that takes some guts, I guess, to walk over and just grab the chandelier like that. I mean, I don't think most people do that.

Yeah. And that's like the thing, that's like the thing leading any horror movie. Like something starts moving around or the doll starts walking and then you know somebody's going to die. You know what I mean? And she just goes over and grabs it. You know what I mean? I'm like, oh my gosh, my mom's a pretty tough lady. Wow.

So this place is clearly haunted. And you said that the owners of it now have stories that they've experienced? Yeah, so, well, at this point, if you want to ask any questions about like that, feel free, and then I'll kind of, like, lead into, like, what's happened since. Well, why don't you go into what happened since now? Okay. So, like I said, four months ago, we actually go back this year to the town. And this lady moved from Seattle, bought the town from the lady that owned it when we were

filming a year and a half ago. And she buys a town from that lady, and she's been fixing it up ever since. And she didn't know, like, according to her, she didn't know, like, anything. You know what I mean? Like, she, as far as, like, spiritual entities, like, going on, you know, she just buys a town, and she's like, oh, good, I'm going to reopen the bed and breakfast type of thing. So she goes in, and they're, like, working on whatever in the town, just doing the thing. and they actually like set up their,

like they actually live in the church now, like where everything was going down. And, uh, I was like, I was sitting there and I was talking to and I was like, so when's like the first time that you realize, like this place is like legitimately haunted? And she said,

uh, it was about two weeks after she moved in and she, and it was snowing. And, uh, she pulls her car up by the church and she falls asleep in her car. I think it was just her and her son at this point and her son was in town doing something

I don't know exactly what but all I know is she was sleeping in the car alone well she said her head like kind of like fell and like rested on the window and all of a sudden she just like hears this tapping like somebody like is hitting the window with their finger

and so she wakes up and she looks over and there's nothing there but not only is it nothing there but there's it snowed while she was sleeping and there was no footprints, not even her footprints leading up into the car. There was nothing. And she heard just a constant like tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. And then wakes up, looks around.

And she said she almost like peter pants because like, what the hell, you know? Like there's just nothing and no footprints, nothing. And she said basically at that point, she knew like, okay, something is really freaking crazily wrong with this place. And the crazy thing is she's been there for so long that she knows basically, so she'll go in the bar, right? And she says, in the bar, there's some guy that lives in the brothel and all the girls that go in the brothel because her daughter actually slept in the broth, okay? And she didn't tell me all the stories because she just had too many. But basically she said, anybody that goes in the brothel that the girl doesn't get affected by whatever kind of ends. that he is in there, but anyone that's like

a guy that goes in there and stays in there for a long period of time, something happens, which is why something happened to Jeff. And she said, the guy just likes, I don't know, he just doesn't mind girls, but he just hates when guys come in there. She said downstairs in the

car itself, which I actually experienced this year, when we went back, I actually experienced probably, I think I experienced this entity. But she said, said there's like this giant wolf and that she's seen all of these okay like over a period of time and so has her daughter but she says there's this big wolf that just walks around and he normally just like sleeps under one of the tables that's actually in the movie

and uh he'll he'll walk from there and then uh like into the um into the kitchen area and sometimes she said when you open the door he wants to go outside so he'll run past you and almost knock you over, brush up against your leg, almost knock you over and just go outside. And then the same thing, when you open the door, I'll come back in and brush past you. And she said, sometimes the chairs, like, move under the table, and he just goes and, like, sleeps under the table. Wow. And that one, that one to me, like, freaked me out because I'll tell you that story later, because I think I experienced that one. But anyway, then there was another, like, laundromat or something, like, building.

an old one, like 1800 style. You know what I mean? And she said there's a little boy. And I can't remember if it was just a little boy in that one or like a little boy. No, yeah. So that one, there's a little boy in that one. And I also experienced that. And I'll tell you that story here in a minute.

But he's like super shy and afraid of everything, she said. And then there's this lady that walks around town in this pink dress. And you'll just like, she said, I'll just randomly, like, get up and look outside in the middle of town, and there's just some lady in a pink dress walking up and back and forth and back and forth in town. Then in the White House, she said there's this old granny, which I actually have a story that happened to us with this lady. I can't remember her name, but she actually told one of my friends her name.

And she lives in the White House, and then she said in the church, there is a giant, like, eight-foot guy that's just, like, she said she feels like he's the leader of, like, in the town, according to her. I don't know exactly what, but anyway, this guy's just, like, has a presence of, um, uh, I don't even know how to say, uh, he's just kind of like the boss. I, I can't really describe it like she did. But anyway, then in the church, she said there's also a cat entity that she hasn't seen. Oh, no, sorry, she's seen it once, but she hears it all the time, and it plays with her dog. She has, like, five dogs, and it plays with her dogs. And then, what was the other ones?

There was, like, four. And that cat. So we actually found the body of that cat under the church, or we think. But so when something dies, have you ever seen, like, an animal just, like, dead on the side of, of the road. Yeah, of course. So whatever position it dies in, it basically like freezes in and just,

it's like it's almost like it's frozen. Like the body's stiff. Like you can pick the body up like a week later and it won't move at all. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, the body of this cat, when we found it,

it was standing up. It was like it was walking along and then just died, but it didn't fall over anything. thing. It was just like perfectly mummified and just standing there like looking at you. And it's eyes where eight now or whatever. And she kept the freaking body of that cat. And she said she wants to frame it because it's still walking around her church playing with their dogs. She kept the body? Yeah, she still has the body. She showed it to me when I was down there. And it was standing up? Yeah. And which is weird, okay? Because like we actually, I actually have like 15

cats and over the course of years cats die just because they get old and every single like dead body of a cat I have physically seen when they die they fall over and you know like I said before they're the threes in whatever position

but they I've never seen one just standing so it's almost like it literally looks like the soul of the cat just got ripped out of this thing and then the body's just like petrified like standing there and then like I said she's She said she's been on the bed before and the cat will come up and rub her leg and start purring.

Then it'll jump off the bed and start playing with her dog and whatever. Wow. It's like something scared the cat so bad. It just died in its tracks. And it stayed immediately. Yeah. And it's still living in this. Like we found the body of that cat in the basement of that, well, sorry, there's a basement.

And then underneath the basement is like the water system or whatever. And we had to go in there and turn the water on while we were there. and the cat's under there just yeah in the basement was just petrified and she ended up

we just left it we're like what up oh I forgot to tell you about the blood so there was one night in the basement

of the church we were filming I wasn't there on this one but my sisters were so they were there until probably like three in the morning filming this one scene

in the basement of the church and they leave and go upstairs and all that this scene was was a guy basically talking about like how he became bad and just everything that he had done in his life so everything like all of his murders and just like why he turned evil essentially but there was no makeup there was no blood there was nothing the next day me and christian go down into the basement of that church and there's blood like actual red blood just like sprinkled all over the floor and nobody had been in there since the night before and there was no blood on it the night before and then me and christian go down there to get lighting or whatever they left down there and there's just blood

sprinkled all over the floor that was a year and a half ago do you think it was real blood oh it was real I didn't touch it but I but I'm a hunter and trust me I know the difference between real blood and like fake movie blood and the only time we use even used. So here's the thing. The blood we had was in like one tube and we used it maybe in like four scenes and we never used it around the church. So it wasn't fake blood. I have no idea what, like how it got there. I have no idea who put it there or whatever, but I guarantee it wasn't a human that put it there. You know what I mean? Yeah. Wow. Well, I mean, this place definitely it seems like it has endless stories.

I mean, is there anything that you specifically want to cover before we move on? Or, I mean, this thing is like, this sounds like a town I want to go to. You know, I just want to check it out. So, this lady said that she's been trying to figure out, I don't even think I've told this to David, but she said she's been trying to figure out, like, why the hell there's so many things going on in this town. she said that I don't know how many years ago

but basically there was this old guy that lived in a cabin like probably a mile off away from this town but it was right in the general area I mean a mile isn't that far and this guy turned out to be

he was either a silly serial killer or he was just a murderer but there was a girl in Anaconda that went and disappeared I think it was like 18, 20 years years ago. They actually found her body up in this, um, uh, up in the cabin and the police actually arrested the guy and now the cabin's like run down and just old and decrep and whatever. But anyway, the police ended up arresting this guy for murder, but it wasn't necessarily that

girl's murder. It was other murderers or other murders, but they ended up finding like this lost girl like up in that cabin or at least around that cabin. And, and, yeah, so she thinks like whatever has happening in the town is actually speeding off of that cabin. And she hasn't been able to find. The crazy thing is she hasn't been able to find the cabin. And she's been like looking for it. So she can't find this cabin even though she's looking for it. And what is she going to do when she finds the cabin?

I don't know. According to her, get some kind of answers or whatever. I mean, I don't know how you're going to get answers. But I mean, this lady has been like pinched and talking. to by all these things and just like scared the, like doors will open a shut for her sometimes. Like, I mean

I literally could be here for like two more hours telling you other stories she told me. But yeah, it's crazy. And then when I was in the saloon, the last night, this year, the last night we were filming this year, I was in there talking to one of my

friends and all of a sudden this chair above me in the rooms above me, which by the way, she'd locked the doors to. She wouldn't let us in above there because she said there was just too much activity going in there. And the whole week we weren't allowed in there. We didn't set our stuff back up in there. But anyway, I hear this chair move from the one room in that it was moving in originally that rocking chair. I don't know if it was the rocking chair or what chair it was, but I hear this chair just be drugged across the floor and then it sounded like the way it

sounded was because there's a wall in between both of those rooms, okay? But it sounded like somebody drugged from one end of the bar all the way to the other end of the bar this chair and just drug it across the floor and just set it in the brothel and like went through the watch...

It didn't sound like there was a wall. It just kept going straight across the floor and just sat the chair down in a different spot. And so then the lady comes down the next day and I'm like, hey, uh, can you go up and check like if all the furniture is the same spot it was like whenever you've been in there last and she's like yeah takes her keys

out unlocks the padlock goes up in there comes back down she's like who went up there and i'm like nobody went up there but i heard this last night and she's like holy crap there's like two chairs in this room and there's no chairs in the other room i'm like oh my like creepy stuff like that and then after that happened i'm sitting there and this bath the bathroom door opens up but it didn't open like a person grabbed it have you ever seen like like a dog open a door. Yeah. They kind of like push it with their nose.

It's literally like a dog like push this door open and they just ran out. And then just that was it. But that happened. I saw that one. And then I was changing my clothes. Remember I told you about the little boy and the laundromat? Well, we put all of our costumes in there. And I'm sitting there.

I take off my shirt. But I left the door open because it was just me. And like the wind's like hitting my back. And I was freaked out at this point because all this other stuff was happening. And she was telling them about us stories. And I was like, damn, like it's even worse than when I was here. And I was standing there. I can feel the wind on my back.

Well, all of a sudden, I can't feel the wind on my back anymore. I can just feel it on my head. And I turn around and look. And I still can't feel the wind on my body at all from like neck down. So it's like it felt like somebody was standing in front of me. But I could feel the wind on my face. and it was literally like something or someone was standing in front of me blocking the wind from hitting me and this weird just like aura I don't even know how to explain it was just like radiating off of like heat

and and I just like threw all my clothes and ran out that was that was the last like when I oh no actually that night then I go into the tent right from there right I go to the tent I sleep and there was something walking around our like everyone's tent that whole night. I'm skipping a lot of the details because there's like, it just, there's a lot of detail, but basically something just kept walking around and banging our tent all night that night. I mean, like I said, I could go on

story after story, especially once she told us that it just creepy. But yeah, you know, that's pretty much ice of it. Luke, I think there was actually one thing I just connect to the dots now. Do you remember when the horses got out? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

I think, because I remember what, here, I can tell that story if you want. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, so one of the mornings that, that we were there for, because we were there at this filming site for a little over a week, we went into town to get some supplies pretty early in the morning. We were going to grab some breakfast and just, you know, we had some time earlier in the day before we had to do any filming, which was going to be that afternoon.

I think it was like my wife, and I think Gideon was with us. anyway it's just a group of us that went to town and we exit through the ranch here because there's kind of like a lot of other space and other fencing and stuff with cattle in it all in that area right by the goat by the set. So we're driving around the road leading into the main part of town and we passed a couple horses

looking around for any owners by them and we're just really confused because I get that it's Montana but you know you're still not going to usually see horses running around right through the middle of town, you know. So we thought pretty quickly about it. You know what? We better call because if these are ours, that's a pretty big deal. We've got to be using these for filming. One of the big scenes we were doing was one that involved a bunch of people on horseback riding into town. And so, you know, if we didn't have the horses, that's a big deal. So long story short, we ended up finally getting a hold of Luke. We were trying to call people,

but, you know, it was early in the morning, so not everybody was up yet. And we finally got a hold of Luke, and he checked around. It's like, yeah, those are our horses, you know, ring him in. And so I'm just in my normal car. You know, I don't have a truck or anything, like a trailer that I can, you know, put these horses in.

So I just grabbed, you know, whatever thing I can use as a laugh. So I think it ended up using like a knapsack strap or something to just try to, like, rein in the horses. We ended up pinning them behind, like, somebody's, between somebody's house and a fence and, like, corralled them into a front yard. And we're able to, you know, get the horses to kind of calm down and stay in place until the guy whose horses there was able to pick them up with his trailer and all that. But, yeah, just we were chasing the horse into the town for a couple miles. Well, we get back into town and we go into, you know, to see what happened.

And Luke, maybe you correct me if I'm wrong in this, but wasn't it just found that, like, the gate had just been left open in the middle of the night? which didn't happen. Well, nobody like, now that I think about it, nobody left that gate open. I even talked to Mark, and he's like, whoever left the gate open was an idiot.

But even if the gate... Here's the thing. If the gate was open, we had like 12 horses in there, but only two left. And here's the other crazy part about this story. We actually,

the whole place, the whole time we were chasing these horses around, and I know you were there before I was David, but we ended up catching them in the church parking lot, and they were, like,

running around the church. Like, they literally ran like six miles from the ghost town into the actual town and went and we caught them at the church. Yeah, it was just a weird thing. You know, at the time, of course, we're not thinking anything of it. Just, you know, kind of a funny circumstance. Who we are driving around chasing horses around like people's houses and going to neighborhoods and all that.

But, you know, interesting thing, I, I'd like, to go hiking and all that. And I got a bunch of hiking and camping equipment. One of the things that I have is, you know, a trail camp. And I actually set up my camera for the next couple nights and had it on that particular thought where the horses were corralled in. And I've never viewed the photos before. I've got like 100 that I was taken.

And most of it is just, you know, capturing the horse's movements. But the activity, at least for that, stopped after that point. There was actually a couple nights they even left out in the car, just kind of keeping an eye on things. I don't know if you knew about that loop, but I stayed in the car right in front of the church. There was no activity, you know, anything by me at all after that. Another thing, the other thing that happened was that there's been two film crews that have run to that town sense and filmed in that town. And every single one of them has said there's spiritual entities in that town. and the film office actually sent

National Geographic or I don't know who does it There's an actual TV show like Ghost Hunters or something Yeah They actually went and just filmed in that town And they said they caught some stuff on camera And it's going to be like it's going to be on I don't know what channel

But they actually went there Because other I mean I was talking to some other other film crews And they said that there was this That they were all whistling with this ghost or whatever it was, but somebody started whistling, so everybody started whistling together, and then they were, like, wondering,

like, who started whistling, and they looked around, and some ghost that started whistling, and they all were just whistling along with it. Oh, man. I mean, just crazy things. I literally, she told us so many creepy stories and just, oh, my gosh. That's like laying in bed with your wife,

and you feel somebody pinching your bite, and like, hey, baby. and all of a sudden you turn over and she's not there. Exactly. Exactly. It's one thing to like joke around about it, but when it happens, dude, it's creepy. Oh, for sure, for sure. You know, one, I wanted to ask you, and I can't remember if you said in the beginning, if you said you're not going to say it, but what is this town?

Did you say the name of this town? It's been changed like three times. I can't remember. It was Gunslinger Gulf when we saw or when we were up there filming last. But the thing is, the late, so since it's privately owned, the lady just keeps changing the name. You can't even hardly find it on Google. But it's in the town of Anaconda. Okay.

So this is like a town within a town? So it's like, yeah, it's like a ranch, essentially. It's like 250 acres. It's a private, like, town that's basically being into a bread and breakfast. It's private property on the northwest of town. Yeah. Okay. And the lady's actually turning it into like this whole thing. And I was talking to her and she was thinking about like actually setting it up for like, you know, some kind of spiritual encounter themed like vacation spot.

She really could. I mean, with what you're telling me, it sounds like she could really turn this into an attraction and create a living off of it. I'm, oh yeah. I'm very intrigued by it. If it was. wasn't so far away, I'd be there next weekend because I'm the, I'm convinced that things don't happen around me. I'm just convinced of it. Like, I go to, I've been to places where people are like, oh, it's haunted. Nothing. I've stood in the middle of a graveyard that the youngest grave there was, was made in like 1812. I'm in this graveyard out in the middle of nowhere. In the middle of the woods, no roads leading to it. It is a haunted graveyard. Nothing. And I just, I don't think things happen around me. I'm fascinated by a topic of Bigfoot. I've been out in the woods, two miles off trail. Nothing

happens. At the very next time, I don't go out, but my partner goes out, things pop off. It never happens around me. I literally was the exact same way. That's what I'm saying. Like, before, it's just like, yeah, everybody talks about this bullshit or a type of thing. You know what I mean? And then it actually started happening. I'm like, okay, this is trippy. You know what I mean? Yeah. I've had things happen to me, but these people who like go into locations for that specific reason never happens never happens like i like i because i don't think you so you watch these like ghost shows or whatever and 90% of the time and it's like you said maybe you'll see a door open or whatever but you don't really see anything like significant especially like some of the stories i've been talking about like can you

imagine if we had gotten the uh the chandelier swinging around on film that thing would have gone viral you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. And you've ever, like, see that on film. And I think it's, but that's like a continuous theme. It doesn't matter, like, who's filming, like, what it's about, like, whatever. As long as it's about, like, them trying to communicate or find ghosts or something, they're not going to really get anything.

And I think it's, and even with the guy with the camera turned off, you know what I mean? I don't think they necessarily want, like, whatever it is, either doesn't want proof or just doesn't like to be found or something because every time this happens like to like the people in town whoever it happened to like they weren't wanting it they weren't expecting it they weren't looking for it it just happened to them you know what I mean and even the lady like she shows up and then all a sudden the thing knocks on her window and opens doors for it you know what I mean like she didn't go there like all right pull the camera out honey you know what I mean yeah I think that that place would be very interesting though for people that are like you know

know, ghost hunters to go to and try to gather evidence because it sounds like if you're going to get evidence, this would be the place to do it. I mean, it really does. I mean, it, it's doing things around movie crews. If it knows, if these things, and I don't think it's just one, this place that probably sounds like it has a lot of stuff going on there, but whatever is going on, it's doing stuff around movie crews. So if it is conscious and it does know what a camera is, it's not that careful. I mean, it's,

you know, like, well, no, it is because we went through, oh, man, we went through 12 or 16 terabytes of footage,

six or seven of which are of that town. And I mean, we sat there, like, looking for stuff, and we never found it. That's interesting. And we would sit there getting B-roll shots of,

of, of, um, of just buildings, you know what I mean? Like, at night. But,

The one thing that I do know is the ghost hunters or whoever, they, like, have actual, like, infrared and just blah, blah, blah. And I know I heard from the film office that they actually did catch something on something. I don't know exactly what, but it'll be out there at some point, you know. Yeah, I mean, the proper equipment is obviously a key thing dealing with this stuff. But I find it interesting. Now, hearing you tell these stories and stuff, it really reminds me, it's not to, the same subject matter per se, but it just gives me this vibe of Skinwalker Ranch. Now, I don't know

if you know what Skinwalker Ranch is, but it is a property that has everything going on on it under the sun. I mean, you name it, it's going on there. And it's been caught on camera and it's been many people have had experiences there. And it's not necessarily the same thing in the sense that you're not saying that there's, you know, skin walkers running around, uh, the portals opening up and things like that. But the way you draw this picture, it makes me feel like this is a very specific piece of land that has a lot of activity on it. It's not just confined to one room in a house or just one house. It seems like it's the property itself. And that makes you wonder, is it the property that's haunted? Is there something scientifically going on with that property

that allows for this kind of stuff to happen so frequently? But it's very interesting. And it's funny that you mentioned portals, actually, because this lady's daughter has, like, had the most experiences there. And, I mean, if you want to talk about some tricky stuff, I'll give you their numbers, you know what I mean? I would love it. I don't even hear all their stories, you know what I mean? But her daughter said that one of the buildings that essentially nothing, like, happens

at, but you don't see her nothing, nothing's experience. She said is she felt is, like, the portal. I don't know. basically the lady said that her daughter's more in tune with whatever that stuff is. Like, I'm not going to say that I know what it is. I definitely have my own theories and my own opinions, but whatever it is, her daughter says, or she says that her daughter can see and feel different things that she can't. And her daughter says that the portal, or she literally called it a portal too,

or it was like a doorway or something. How old is the daughter? 17, 18, maybe 19. Okay, so she's fairly, she's old enough to know what she's saying. It's not like she's five or six years old. It's not like she's five or six. But yeah, she says like the portal or whatever is like in this building here. But nothing like spiritual happens there.

She just says that she gets different vibes from that specific thing in different ways. Well, it's really interesting, man. And you mentioned about that story where the wolf, and now the wolf was in the house, right? The bar, yeah. The bar. Like, and you're saying that that wolf really wasn't there, though, it was some kind of apparition. No, it was a, yeah, it's some kind of spirit thing. But she says it runs by them all the time when they open the door and it almost knocks them over. Now, I never felt a brush up against my leg, but I definitely think I saw it open a door. Okay. Well, which was the bathroom door. I just find it interesting. I've covered a lot of stuff on this show and the

idea of a dog-like entity pops up from here and from here and there. And, you know, I even off my show, other people's shows, I've heard different stories. Like this one guy on another show, he called in on this guy's show and he shared how him and his wife were having an argument one night. They go to bed angry. They're laying in bed. And he starts seeing these red shapes just kind of popping up in the, in the bedroom. And he kind of nudges his wife. And he's like, do you see this? And she says, yeah, I see it. And something inside of him told him to look to his left. And he turns and looks to his left and he sees a dog standing right there growling at him. And they don't have a dog. And so it's one of those things where this dog-like entity and then people claim they see these dog men, they call it. You know, it's like the American werewolf kind of thing only. It's not like most people don't believe that it is. a werewolf as in a man turning into a wolf, but just some kind of crypted creature. But then you got the skin walkers who can turn into a where, or not a werewolf, but a wolf,

just by wearing the hide. I mean, we're talking about, you know, Native Americans and they do a certain, I don't, I don't know if the right term is chant, but maybe a song. But they do something and they turn themselves into whatever they're trying to turn themselves into. And apparently, this is something that is actually really easy to do if you know what you're supposed to say. Like, from what I understand, being a skinwalker, like, there's certain things you got to do. I think you have to, like, kill somebody in your family or something like that. But the process of actually doing it, like, hey, today I want to turn into a wolf or today I want to turn to a deer, like the actually doing it, it's not that hard, apparently, once you jump through the hoops of actually getting there.

It's really interesting stuff. It's actually crazy that you say that because I know actual Native Americans and they say the same thing. What I was just going to say is one of the projects that we're kind of looking to do in the future, we really want to tell a story, you know, kind of from more Native Americans' perspectives. And I have a friend from a school I'd been at a few years ago. And he's already like a, it just,

just so happened. It was really crazy. I reached out to him to get information and, you know, just asking some questions about his tribe and, you know, what some of, like, the famous, like, stories of some of his people were, you know, just to get an idea for them in their culture and I get elements that we could use for a new storyline. And, you know, we had a really great conversation for a while. It turned out, coincidentally, that he had already been, like, a community organizer on his reservation, like getting people together to help with other films and documentaries and other products that were going on. So it was just like a really crazy

cool coincidence, but at the end of that conversation, I just, you know, just for fun, I was like, hey, man, you ever seen any bigfoot's around around where you're at? And he's like, you know, I actually haven't, but like my dad's seen him a few times and a ton of people

in the community here have seen him. And he's like, I don't really know what they are, but I think they're demonic, man. And his tribe doesn't really have, as far as I know, kind of traditions like that. But, yeah, apparently it's a semi-regular thing. And that's in eastern Montana.

I'm more on that side of it, Central Eastern. Yeah, it's funny that you mentioned the werewolves and stuff because the guy, Joel, that I was talking about, the youth pastor, he said he met a guy that literally looked like a wolf, and his name was a werewolf. Or it was either wolf or werewolf. The guy's name was wolf, or one of the two. and he said that they'd have these solstices things and he knew the guy went there and oh man you just

got to there's so many stories i mean the native americans they have this uh legend or whatever about the little people have you ever heard about the little people oh yeah absolutely it's very common on their reservations oh yeah that's uh that's a legit thing and i've met people that have had experiences with them so there's like something like before even i said i was very like skeptical, like, oh, yeah, whatever, you know? But after, after this happened, and then I just started, like, obviously, after something happened, you talk about it, you know, and it's not like I'm sitting around, like, looking for ghosts and whatever, but, I mean, now I've just realized that there's so many stories from so many different people that it can't just be coincidence, you know what I

mean? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And I think what you should do is the people that you know have seen that stuff, you need to reach out to them and say, hey, listen to the Confessionals podcast and reach out to Tony. He wants to talk to you. So I honestly, I try to get the lady to that owns the town to call you. Oh, for sure. I mean, when we're done recording here, you and I and David are going to have a conversation. But I'm dead serious, though, because I've never, I don't think I've ever had anybody on the show who's talked about their experience with these little people. I've heard about it. But to have somebody come on, I'd love to love that. So, you know, just throwing it out there publicly, anybody who, you know, has seen something like that. I would love to talk to you. Um,

but guys, I'll tell you what, I do appreciate you coming on and sharing these experiences and stuff because, uh, you really got me going. I'm just sitting here. And I, like, Luke, at one point you said to me, do you want to ask me questions now? I'm like, no, bro, just keep going. Like, I'm sitting here. I'm sitting here being entertained. I don't got to do nothing. I just want to sit here and listen to story time with Luke. Let's go. I appreciate it. Yeah, man. I was sitting there, I'm like, man, I can keep going, but I hope I'm not just talking

right now. No, no, people tune in to hear the people's stories. They don't tune in to hear me talk. And unfortunately, sometimes I talk too much. But, you know, I try to refrain from talking a whole lot and let you guys just kind of take the show away. And I just add in things when necessary. So you guys did great.

Thank you very much for being here. And, you know, thanks a lot. Yeah. Thanks for having it. Yeah, Epstein didn't kill himself, and that's my plug. Awesome. We're not cutting that. Good night, folks.

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