The Confessionals - RELOADED | 254: West Virginia's Flying Panther, Hellhound, and Goatman

Episode Date: March 14, 2022

In Episode 254: West Virginia’s Flying Panther, Hellhound, and Goatman, we speak with Vickie and her granddaughter Evie about their experiences together. When Evie was just a little girl, she was playing outside with Vickie when they both saw a black panther with huge wings fly through the sky. They share the details of what they witnessed, and also discuss a few times when a hellhound and “goatman” were spotted as well! West Virginia holds many mysteries, and Evie and Vickie cover several of them in this episode. Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/join MAILING ADDRESS:STE 36188 Glocker Way,Pottstown, PA 19465 SPONSORSGET Surfshark: surfshark.deals/confessionals GET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tony GET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionals GET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!! Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.com Get Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5 CONNECT WITH US Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter SOCIAL MEDIA Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaI TikTok: @theconfessionals Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7h Show Instagram: theconfessionalspodcast Tony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficial Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcas Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel

Merkel. Media. I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine? Out of a Dolion? Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves.

Time travel is possible. Hey everybody, welcome Reloaded Mondays. We're bringing back episode two. 54 West Virginia's Flying Panther, Hellhound, and Goatman, where we talked to Vicki and her granddaughter Evie. And as the title states, we're talking about Flying Panthers, Hellhound, and Goatman. I'm telling you, this was a fun episode. And I remember when we actually released this because I had been holding onto it for months.

And I was excited to finally release it because it's a good one. So here we go. Reloaded Monday. Episode 254. Let's get at it. Okay. I reload it. This was all circulating around the base.

that a giant had been killed but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand,

hand and he's running really fast and spears Dan holds them up like this somebody else shoot him in the face shoot him in the face they basically decapitated feel something pulling at my leg and i look over and there are two and they're literally i'm getting pulled off the best push and i touch air couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because i know i'm seeing a monster yep welcome to the show everybody you're listening to the confessionals i am your host tony merkle thank you for being here if you've If you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionals at the Confessionalspodcast.com. That's The Confessionals at the Confessionalspodcast.com.

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you. Yeah. Yeah. Stop squeezing the microphone. Thank you. Are you ready to get to the show? Yeah. All right. Let's get to the show. Okay, today we got two guests on the show. Vicki and Evie. How are you ladies doing? We're doing pretty good. How are you, Johnny? Doing well. So you guys have a different experience. And I know, Vicki, you said that you have a hard time even sharing the experience because it just sounds so crazy. But it did happen to you. And I'm grateful that you actually reached out to talk about it. because when I see stories like yours, I get a little, I don't know, like this, the mysterious part of life, the wonder kicks in because I'm like, wow, somebody actually saw something like that. That's kind of crazy. And I was actually really excited to talk to you about it. So why don't you, Vicky, just start us off with this experience and what you guys were doing and what had happened to, to you guys and what you saw. Okay. My mother and my brother and his wife and kids live next door to me, and we have a big gazebo and trampoline out in the front yard, or side yard, should I say. And I had the kids over there on the trampoline one summer day. It was probably in August, I'd say. It was really, really hot outside. and it's probably been about three or four years ago now.

And Evelyn is the oldest out of all of them. And they were jumping on the trampoline. I was standing there singing nursery round for them and stuff while they were jumping. And like I said, it was super hot. And the three younger kids decided they wanted to go in and get a drink. So they all hopped off, and Evelyn said she didn't want to. She was fine. So she just kind of sat down on the edge of the trampoline and was facing me,

and I had my bike to the road. I watched the kids run in the front door, and we were just chatting about something. I cannot remember what now, but I had my bike to the road, and the front yard is behind me in the Gizbo and all. that. And I'm just, I'm just talking away, which I do very well. I talk a lot. And Evelyn's face just kind of went blank and her mouth dropped open. And I just kept talking and she didn't change her expression, didn't interrupt me or say anything. And so I just kind of looked over my right shoulder to see what she was looking at. And when I did,

I've seen it. And I just turned right back around and kept talking and didn't skip the beat because I thought, I did not see that. And if I say I did or act shocked, I'm going to scare this baby to death, you know, or she's going to think I'm sort of probably crazy. And I just kept talking and,

she stopped me and she said, Grandma, and I said, well, honey, and she said, did you, did you see that thing? And I said, I don't know, what did you see? And she said, that thing, Grandma, that black cancer with wings. And I said, your standard answer, yep. When I did, she jumped off the trampoline and I took off running. And we both took off running around the house.

to see if we could still see it, and it was gone. And about that time, the kids'all came out the front door and came around a mic to the trampoline. And me and her just stood there looking at each other, was absolutely shocked because that's what we've seen. I made her describe it to me. And now we have a little different take on it, but it's basically the same thing.

It was a black panther, the size of a panther, with wings, huge wings. And it was there. It looked tangible. It looked like you could touch it. It looked for real, you know. It wasn't transparent. And it was there. And to me, it was like slime in a corkscrew fashion.

Like, just like in a gliding through the yard, like a bird does, you know, and it kind of corkscrewed and what behind the bush in the corner of the house. And it should have been in the front yard by the time we ran around the house, but it wasn't. Now, I'm going to let her tell you what she's seen. And when I seen it, I seen it like about 10 seconds before she did before, like, she turned around. And when I seen it, we have these three giant trees in the front yard by the road. and then we have this bush like on the right hand side of it. And when I seen it, I seen it passing that bush and going behind the trees.

And when I seen it, it has it, it has like its wings behind it. And it was about 10 to 8 foot wing stand. And it was running on the ground. But when she seen it, she sent it like up, like off the ground, like flying about like three feet up off the ground. And she seen the head of it. I did not see the head. I've seen the body. I've seen the legs, the feet, the tail, all that.

And to me, now, it was, it looked like you could touch it, but its head was, like, smudged out. And I've never heard of that before. It looked like what I can compare it to is a charcoal sketch, like if you ever sketched with charcoal. Yeah. Yeah, I'm an artist, and I'll sketch with charcoal, like you would take your,

finger and smudge the face on a on a drawing that's the way it looked to me now with her she's seen the whole thing yeah it was just like a normal face of a panther facing the other way except it was pitch black you couldn't see like like how she said charcoal it was just like completely black you couldn't seem like facial features or anything it just looked like the outline of a panther okay i could be detail in the feathers i don't know if she could or not the wings that i could see, but like the body of it was just pitch black. And now the feet, I could see the claws. Yeah, I can see the claws.

Now, we have vultures around here. We have owls. We have some chicken hawks. We have some big birds, but nothing, nothing even close to what we've seen. And, you know, I thought about all kinds of different scenarios. But we both seen this, and it was. stairs, then it was gone. And

never, I've never heard of anybody seeing something like this. Now, there is a rumor around here that people see a panther, an actual panther walking around.

My son seen it one night when they were pulling into their house. They lived a couple miles down the road, and they pulled them a drive and he called me one night. This has probably been about 10 years ago. And he said, my God, mom, I've just seen a panther.

And I said, a panther. And he said, yeah, walked right behind my house. He said, I've seen it. And I was like, well, there's a rumor around here that there is, you know, a panther people see that I've never heard of anybody seeing a panther. with wings. That was the first. That was the strangest thing

I've ever seen, I believe. I would have dismissed it had she not been with me and seen the same thing. I'd have just said, oh, you know, I hallucinated that. That's crazy. But she's seen it too, and she was shocked. I mean,

at 50, I'm 55 now, 51. Not a lot shocks me, but, and I wanted to chase it down and see it. Oh, I've got to tell you what happened the next night. The next night, when we were next door, we went back over. The kids were jumped on the trampoline and playing. It was dusk.

I started walking home with my son Pools in, him and my daughter-in-law. Now, this is very weird, too. we're walking across the yard to my house, and they pull in, they get out, and they start walking with us. We have a cat, and, yeah, I heard him, we all heard him scream, which is very, you know, unlike him, and he'd been out in the yard playing with kids, and he just, we kind of turned around, looked, and here he came running past us, you know, and he's running towards the house and he's screaming.

And as he passes up, this thing is right on him, right behind him. And it's about the size of a soccer ball. And it's totally black and it looks fuzzy and it's gliding across the ground. And it hits him from behind on the driveway. and just rolls. And she's seen it too. It knocks him behind the bush by our house. And I, like, my grandma was behind me at the time.

And I walk over to the bush, and he's still, like, fighting around with this black fuzzball looks pitch black. And I look under, and it's just gone. And pushing is sitting there traumatized. That's our cat's name. And he's sitting there traumatized. And he walks out with, like, all these scratch marks on him and stuff. And I'm like, what in the world was that?

And it's just crazy. And it was gone. It was there. It was on him and it was gone. And it was tearing him up. And, you know, you see birds attack cats and stuff for getting near their nests and things. But it disappeared. And it wasn't in the shape of a bird.

It was like a big, round black thing with hair. And my daughter-in-law was like, what in the age was that? and my son looked at me and I looked at him and he was like, oh my God. I said, I know, and by that time, Evie and her sister were on the porch screaming, unlock the door, unlock the door, let us in. And the cat was on the porch with him all huggled up against the door. And we have no idea. None.

It was there. It was gone. And, yeah, I think. think they were connected. I really do. But I don't know because I've never seen anything like it. Yeah. I mean, so this thing was, uh, it wasn't huge, but it was like you said, floating across the ground, right? You didn't see any legs or anything like that? No, no legs, no wings. It was round. It looked like a fuzzy blob, like a, about as big as the soccer ball. And it was round, like the soccer ball.

It was like wrapped up against them like. Yeah. Yeah. It was like it was like attaching to him or something and he was fighting it with everything he had. And we've never had it happen again. We've, I've watched for things to happen, but none of us have ever seen anything like that or the bird cat thing or anything.

And if I do, I'll call you all. Well, so this thing that was like a blur, would you describe it as a blur like you saw with the face of this winged cat? No, it wasn't a blur. It was more of a blobby, fuzzy thing. And, no, it wasn't blurry at all. We all clearly seen it. My daughter-in-law had never believed in the paranormal in her life, and she would laugh at me. if I told her a story or something

of something that had happened to me earlier on. And she would laugh at me. And they moved in here about, oh, I'm going to say, four years ago. Is that right? They moved in here in my basin. They renovated the basement, and she's had several experiences,

and that being one of them, when she's seen the black thing. And she was like, what in that age was that? She, like, I'm not want to believe in anything for, like, the first two years of it. And then, um, a couple more things started happening. And there was one night where we were all sitting out on the porch and some scream my grandma's name, like, in a way, and Vicki was a really deep male voice. And then my mom freaked out. And she was like, what was that?

What in the world? You guys have played a trick on me. I cannot believe you all. This is, this has gone way too far. No more of these, like, freaky paranormal things to try and get me to believe in all this stuff. You guys are insane. You guys are skipping for Enig and all this other stuff. Yeah, she freaks out.

And I told her I said this happened a couple years ago. Evelyn's talking about we were out on the deck and just chatting and talking. And all of a sudden it was about 11 or 12 o'clock at night. Nobody out, nothing. And all of a sudden we hear Vic. My name right behind me on the back. And she was like, I just kept talking because I know by now if you acknowledge it, if you, you know, it seems to make it worse if you acknowledge these things. So I just kept talking.

And she was like, what in the age was that? And I said what? And she said, you heard that. She said, who just yelled your name? And she's going over and looking over the deck, Raleigh and stuff. And I'm like, Keeva, there's nobody there. Just ignore it. And she's like, ignore it.

Yeah, she said, have you lost your mind? Are you all playing a trick on me? What's going on? And I'm like, no, Kira, please don't acknowledge it because it just makes it act up worse. And she's like, she's like, you guys are freaking crazy. And no, we're not crazy. We're not crazy. These things happen around me all the time.

And I'm telling you, nobody's playing a trick on you. So, yeah, she's kind of a believer now. She's been here for a while. Yeah, kind of forced into believing. Yeah, yeah, whether she wants to or not. But, yeah, things always happened to me for a quite long time. Well, I mean, it sounds like it. I know you have some more stories to share with us, but, you know, this winged cat, I mean, the first thing that I thought of when I read the email and I hear you talking about it is, you know how, I don't know if you're familiar with like the Renaissance art and stuff, but that was a very popular thing in Renaissance art is portraying like a lion with wings. And that was the first thing that popped into my mind. And, A lot of times people say that in the ancient art, when you see repeated things over and over again,

it's based off of some type of reality. It may not be 100% true or 100% false. But when you see things over and over again in ancient art, like in the ancient Egyptian artwork that you see, you see the Anubis over and over again, which is like a person with a doghead. And you see that over and over and over again. and a lot of people believe that when you see the repetitiveness of these things, it's because it's real or at least part real. And you see that a lot in the Renaissance art, these winged lions, these winged cats.

And that's the first thing that I thought of. Why would it be in West, because you're in West Virginia, right? Yes, yes, I am. Yeah, so, I mean, to say that why it's in West Virginia, I have no idea. but the fact that you both saw it. And the way it all unfolded and stuff, I find interesting, too, because Evie, she saw it first, and then you looked, you saw it, but you didn't want to react to it until she kind of forced you to react to it.

She's like, did you see that? Yeah. I mean, she probably, she probably didn't want to sound crazy herself. Yeah. Yeah, she was pretty scared, but, you know, she was like 11 years old. I think she was in sixth grade when it happened. And yeah, I knew something's wrong by the look on her face, but I thought she's seen maybe a dog running down the road

or we have some weird people to walk down the road sometimes. So I thought maybe there was some creepy guy walking up the road or something. And I turned and looked. And when I did, I've seen it like for the count of three, like three seconds. one, two, three. She's seen it for probably eight or ten seconds. She was, you know, she had a good eye lock on it. And I was like, you know, what is she looking at?

I turn and I look and I fall about it and I'm like, one, two, three. It's about 30 foot away, I think, something like that. Not very far away from us at all. and I was like this is this is unreal I did not see this so I just kept talking

you know I'm imagining this and I turned back and Evelyn's still sitting there with her mouth open she's like Grandma did you see that?

I said see what she's like that thing that that cat thing with wings and yeah I had I had never

thought about Renaissance art. I study Renaissance art and stuff since I'm going into animation and stuff for a job when I grew up and I've never like, I know about like the lines with wings and stuff and how like you look how like they praise that stuff

like the Anubis and but I never really did think about like how that could be connected. Yeah. I never thought about that either. Yeah. Well it's it's one of those things where I believe, and I use the word believe very loosely, but I should say I feel like we're living in times where things of old are starting to come back. And I hear it over and over again in people's

different stories and stuff. And even people that I haven't personally talked to, but I've listened to on other shows and I've read about. And it just seems like something's going on in the world where ancient mysteries, ancient creatures, ancient creatures. that we only know of from, you know, wall art in caves or ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs and things like that, it seems like they're starting to make a little bit of a comeback. I don't know how else to describe it, but things that you never would think you'd be talking to somebody that they saw are starting to happen now. And some people will suggest that maybe that has something to do with CERN over in Switzerland, playing with, you know, the God particle and opening up these different

portals and stuff. I don't know how much you know about that, but it's a huge facility. It's about a 17-mile-long facility underground. It goes underneath... It's part of Switzerland and France. It goes underneath the border. And it's a hydrant collider where they just spin really, really fast. And by doing that, I don't know how it all works. I'm not a scientist, but they're doing a lot of different things that are are questionable and even like the uh they have a statue outside their facility and the statue outside their facility is uh of a a Greek goddess and I'm drawing a blank on the name I for some reason I just keep wanting to say a new business that's because we were just talking about it um Shiva Shiva that's who it was Shiva the Greek goddess and it it just the statue

outside the facility of Shiva um it shows that they put they're putting weight into ancient art, ancient creatures, ancient gods. And they're actually paying attention to those kind of things when they're putting that outside their facility. It's like they're giving a nod. They're acknowledging it. And so there's people that have, you know, surfaced. And whether it's true or not, there have been these, you know, whistle type, whistleblower type people that have surfaced over the years that supposedly have worked within CERN, saying, describing some of the things that they've seen coming through portals. But basically opening up interdimensional things.

And not only are we peeking through to the other side of another dimension, but things are able to come through at that time. And, you know, there's a lot of ancient stories of back in the day, you know, the Egyptian times of what was going on there. A lot of people believe that the Egyptians had far greater technology than what we have today. And if they did, what kind of technology did they have and what could that technology have done? Did they do this stuff before where they opened up portals and things came through and they wrote about it and they drew about it in their artwork? And now we're starting to do

the same thing today. I don't know, but it's very interesting stuff. That's scary stuff. If they're tapping into something like that, that's scary. Yeah, there's some weird occult stuff going on where people are opening up portals and they're worshipping stuff like they did back in Egyptian times, like you said, how they have more advanced technology and stuff. And they just worship these creatures that we don't know. They're paranormal. They're demonic and it's just scary. Yeah.

We're Christians, too, Tony. Not just in name, but in faith and spirit too. we were born again Christians and, you know, I have problems with seeing things like this and don't get a good feeling from it. And I know it's real. I know it is. I know I'm not imagining things. I'll tell you another quick story that happened probably to, I'm going to say 20 years ago.

my husband was a pastor and my brother was a deacon and my brother's a pastor now. But we were coming home from church one night and it was dust, I'd say. It was just the sun was just going down. And we were coming through Barbersville. and that's the town probably about 15 miles away. You're good. You're good. And we were about 15 miles down the road.

And I was sitting in the back seat, letting them set in the front seat and talk. And they were both my brother and my ex-husband were both, non-believers in anything paranormal, okay? Especially my brother, very educated man, very matter of fact, I've got to touch it before I believe it, you know, kind of thing. So we're driving down the road, coming back home from church, it's dusk, and I'm doing something. I have no idea of what, but I'm looking down, probably getting something out of my purse.

And my brother starts hitting the brakes. And he's like, he looks at my husband. I'm like, what in the heck is going on? And he looks at my husband when I look up. And my husband looks at him and he says, did you see that? And my brother was like, I don't know. what did you see? And he said, I don't know what did you see. And they go back and forth like that for a couple minutes. And they're kind of laughing. And I'm like, what is going on? And my brother said,

it looked like two hellhounds to me. And my husband said, yep, that's exactly what I've seen? And I'm like, what are y'all talking about? And they're like, wow, they just can't believe it. They're driving all the way home going, oh my God, what was that? And I'm like, you guys need to tell me I absolutely missed this. And they were like, it was a hell-hound, two of them. And they did like one jump and hit in the middle of the road in front of us, and then one jump, and they were gone. And I said, what is the hell-ham?

And they're like, I don't know, but that was the hell-hound. He said, they're like, I've never seen nothing like that before in my life. And I'm like, what did it look like? And they're like big, huge muscular dogs, both of them. And they said, they looked real that you could barely see through them. And they just did one jump and they were gone. They disappeared off the road. And I'm like, holy cow.

And do you know I can ask them about it to talk about it today? And these are one of them will. They won't talk about it. Really? They say, oh, it was something, but who knows what it was? Just two greyhounds or something, you know. Yeah. But, I mean, they were like two stuff for days talking about it.

And now, you know, it's years later. And it was nothing. And I'm like, yeah, y'all seen something. And I'll tell you what happened too. There's a guy online, God, what is his name? Lawn, Lawn Strickland or something like that. You know who I'm talking about? Yeah.

He posts stories all the time that people write back a few years ago. I'm reading through some of the stories, and there's a guy from Barbersville, West Virginia. Okay. Same place. And he posts the story about him and his friends when they were about 19, him going with them to a cemetery. This was also by a cemetery, by the way. And he's posting the story that him and his friends go to the cemetery because they want to summon a demon.

And he said that they were sitting there. I can't remember what fashion, what they were doing. I know they lit candles and stuff. he said that they were, his friends were summoning a demon. And he said, he just went along for the ride. And he said about halfway through what they were doing, he said this big breeze came through the cemetery. And these two big help helms came running through and run right past them. And he said, I'm out of here. And I have to believe him, because I think that it was probably the same night. they've seen what they seen.

And it was probably in that very same cemetery in Marlarsville. It's just too much of a coincidence to being. Yeah, it makes you wonder, not wonder, but gives you kind of an idea of maybe what dogman is, you know, or, you know, at least what these people are seeing as dogman. Maybe they are some type of hellhound or maybe hellhound is some type of dogman. But that's the first thing you think of, at least for me, when you started talking about the hellhound, because what you described is, is really what people describe as a dog man. You know, people say they walk on two legs, they walk on four legs, which you just described to me, it wouldn't surprise me if it did walk on two legs at some point.

You know, these things looked hellish. Yes, could have, could have. They just said they were huge and muscular and they were on all four legs when they seen them. I wish I could, I would have been looking up and I would have seen what they've seen. but I miss that one. That was one to be told that I have no idea what it was. I think it's all demonic myself.

I think these are some kind of demon creatures that I think we're living in the latter days, actually. And I think that I think demons and stuff are making themselves known. People are intrigued. They want to know more. Are they one enough if it's real or not? And I think they're really more than happy to oblige and let people know they're real. You know, that's my opinion anyway. All right.

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And the one guy that was sitting there really didn't even catch on what we were talking about. and he doesn't really, I don't really know him and he doesn't really know me and he probably doesn't know much about me as far as a show goes. So like I say that to preface because he really is oblivious as to what I'm doing in my life with the show and everything. And we were just talking about weird things and that's what he kind of caught on to. And he said, I'll tell you guys, me and my partner driving, I guess back, or no, I think he was a teenager or something that he was with a couple guys in a car in central Pennsylvania. And he said, we saw the strangest thing out there in, out in the state college area. And this is right after he said that he doesn't believe in

Bigfoot. He doesn't believe, you know, any of this kind of stuff. He said that they saw the strangest thing. I said, what's that? And he said, they're driving out in the middle of nowhere, central Pennsylvania. And I think he said he was in the back seat, if I recall, right? And all of a sudden a monkey just runs across the road. And I said a monkey. And he said, yep, a monkey. And he said, it just leaped across the road. And he said, I forget how big it was. I don't think he described it as something too big. And he said, I don't think he, I don't even think he said there was a tail. I forget all the details of it. I have to go back and ask him maybe. But I said, I remember saying to him, are you sure it was a monkey? And he's like, well, what else could have been? I just looked at

I was just like, all right. It could have been many things. Yeah. I was thinking of myself, we just got done talking about Bigfoot, and you're like, I don't believe in Bigfoot. And then you're like, I just saw a monkey run across Central Pennsylvania. You tell me, all these people are saying that there's Bigfoot in Pennsylvania, and you're saying that's crazy.

But nobody's saying there's monkeys in Pennsylvania, and that's what you're telling me you saw. Yeah, that's funny. It is real. it's crazy. Now, when I told you before that we had bought a house back in, I'm going to say about 85 or 86, and it was built in 1800s or early 1900s. And I mean, we had to do a lot of renovation and stuff. And we joked when we first moved in. And I said, what if it's haunted? You know, ha, ha, ha. And my husband was like, oh, shut up. That's crazy, you know.

And then he started coming. He worked midnight, so he would go there and paint and stuff in the morning when he got off of work. And he would come home, go to bed, sleep all day. And he started, when he'd wake up, he'd tell me, you know, it's so weird. when I go there and I paint in the morning, it feels like somebody is just standing behind me, just glaring at me. And he said,

I just feel like that I need to get out. It's just, it's unwelcoming, you know. He said, I just feel terrible. And I said, well, it's pray where you're just there alone, you know, and it's in the morning early. dark outside, blah, blah, blah. He's like, yeah.

So he started taking gospel tapes with him and putting them in, listening to them. He said, I'll feel better about it now. So, you know, we moved in. And things, he worked midnight, like I said, he could work about 6 o'clock of the evening, work until about 5, 6 o'clock in the morning. And he just, he was gone most of the time. And when he was there during the day, he was asleep. So, you know, it was mostly me and my son.

And things just started happening. And I kept brushing them off, brushing them off, lay there in bed at night, trying to go to sleep. And I felt that same eerie feeling he felt, you know, it was just heavy, feel like I just wanted to run out of the house, you know. and I would hear somebody walking upstairs. I had one day when I was, we hadn't lived there very long, these two little boys went by on their bicycles. They were about 10 or 11 years old, and one of them stopped, and he said, hey.

And I said, yeah, he said, you know that house was haunted, right? and I said, ha ha, very funny. And he said, no, that old lady died in there. He said, when I drive by on my bicycle, sometimes I can see her standing in the window looking out. And I said, okay, you know. And I'll start hearing somebody walking around upstairs. And I know it's an old house. And I'm thinking, could it be floorboards?

Could it, you know, creaking, settling, whatever. But, I mean, it was just so matter of fact, it sounded like men's black dress shoes walking on Lenolia, clop, clop, all the way across, okay? One night I'm talking to my husband, he came in for lunch, and he had lunch at midnight, and I'd make his lunch and have it ready for him, and I'm sitting there in the floor talking to him,

listening to him talk, and he's sitting on the couch, and we're just talking away, and there's a dark shadow that starts appearing behind his head on the wall. I'm like, what is that? And I'm kind of looking around to see what could be making a shadow. And all of a sudden,

the shadow just kind of reaches out of the wall, and it's a man's hand, and it's right behind his head. And I could see every crevice, every wrinkle in this man's callous hand. Only it was gray. I mean, it wasn't flesh-colored. It was gray. And I just sat there staring at this behind his head, listening to him talk, and I would And wouldn't say anything there again. Didn't want to scare him.

Didn't want to freak anybody out thinking I could be losing my mind. And it just pulls right back into the wall. I'm like, okay, this is beyond weird. And just little things like that. If I put my keys on the cable by the phone, which I always did, and I have to use the spare set because I couldn't find them. Then I'd find them two months later. I found them one time on top of the refrigerator in the very back of the top of the refrigerator,

which nobody would have put the keys there, you know. We had me and my son would get scratched all the time, all the time. scratches. We'd hear each other call for the other one, yell for the other one go. They didn't say anything. Right before we moved out, I'm going to tell this

my son, this happened to my son and his best friend who lived across the street. They were probably about 10 years old and we had went ahead and

renovated the upstairs because we wanted to sell it. I wanted out of that house badly. And they were upstairs. I had it all lit up and it was evening time and we had new paint, new carpet, and I had put a toy room up there, you know. So my son and his friend are up there playing. And he's like, I really don't want to go up there, Mom. He would tell me this. He'd go to the bathroom. The bathroom was right at the foot of the stairs.

And you could look up and see upstairs. Now, you know, I played a lot of it all so it's explainable. You know, kids get scared really easy. He would come tearing out of the bathroom. He did want to go to the bathroom. unless I walked him and stood outside the bathroom door, he would tell me that someone's red eyes was staring at him from the upstairs. And so, you know, we've lived there since he goes like two.

So he's 10 or 11. We renovate up there. I open it up. I'm trying to make it feel, you know, homey and not scary up there. I put his toys up there. I'm like, okay, you guys go up there. you can play G.I. Joes and, you know, whatever. So I turned the lights on, took them up there, came back downstairs.

I'm down there. They didn't say anything about being scared, by the way. They were all about being up there and getting to play G.I. Joe's. They had little ropes strung across the room and, you know, stuff making these G.I. Joe's do the zip lines and stuff. They were pretty happy about it. And all of a sudden, they were up there about 20 minutes, and all of a sudden I hear the awfulest commotion. They come running down the stairs, and they're falling and tripping and screaming.

And I'm like, what is going on? What's wrong? I thought one of them had gotten hurt, and they were both freaking out, you know. So they get down the stairs, and I'm like, what is going on? What's wrong? And Adam said,

Mom, Mom, and he's crying. And I'm like, what is it? And his friend Scott is standing there holding his chest and just breathing in and out. And I'm like, what's going on? What is it? And Adam said, Mom, we were playing. And he said, we looked over. He said, I heard something walking.

And we looked over. And he said, there's this boy. standing there in the hallway, and he's got the body of a goat, but he's got the upper body and head of a little boy. And I'm like, what? He said, yeah, he had red eyes. And Scotty confirmed it, his friend. He was like, he did.

He did, I want to go home. I want to go home. And he was crying. And, yeah, just crazy. So, you know, we got out of the house, we got moved into this house, and we didn't have many problems at all. We have very little, I mean, things still happen, but they're few and far between. Like when my son first met, before my son moved in here, this is one thing that stands out in my mind. I am, my other son had moved in with us because him and his wife had separated.

And he was at work, my husband was at work, and I had been at work. And I got home about 12 or 1 o'clock in the afternoon. Well, I needed to use the bathroom really bad. So I pull in the driveway, I run in the house. house, I come through the front door, I shut it and I lock it, and I come straight to the bathroom. And I don't close the door all the way because I'm home alone, you know, and it's like cracked a couple inches. And all of a sudden, as soon as I sit down, I hear the front door open. and I'm like, hey, I'm here, you know, and I hear the door close,

and I hear somebody walk through the living room and go into the kitchen. And I'm like, hey, I'm in here, so don't come down the hall because, you know, I'm using the bathroom, the door isn't shut. I hear I'm moving things around on the kitchen counter, and I'm thinking, well, that's really rude for nobody to answer me, you know, whether it's my husband or my son, and I go ahead and I get up, and I hear them walk down the hall to the bathroom door.

And, you know, you can hear the footsteps, and they're standing right on the outside of the door. And I'm like, ha, ha, you're real funny. I said, you're not going to scare me. I know you're here. And, you know, they still don't say. nothing. So I yank the door open and I go, right, you know, and there's nobody there. And I walk out of the bathroom, I go through the house, I look out the front door, no cars, it's just me. And that is

absolutely one of the most real things that ever happened to be here. I could have swore somebody was here. And I still think somebody was. I don't know who, but not a person, but a spirit or something. And just, we've had things like that, like my son that lives here now and his wife and two kids, they had lived here very long. And he, I come home one day and he said, Mom, he said, do you you know that there's something going on here? And I said, what you mean? And he said, well, he said, I was here all day alone. And he said, somebody walks around upstairs and opens and closes the cabinet doors.

And I said, yeah, yeah, I know that to be a fact. Because it, now it don't happen while we're upstairs. But if you're downstairs alone, you can hear somebody walking around the, opening and closing the cabinet doors. And there was one time that my son said

that he was down there and he heard a woman scream in the room with him and he thought that I had came home and snuck down the stairs and was trying to scare him. And there was nobody there. And this happened a few weeks ago.

My daughter-in-law was downstairs in their bedroom laying on the bed. And my son was sitting in their living room watching TV. And him and her came barreling upstairs. And he's like, Mom, he said, this just happened. And I said, what? And he said, Kever was laying on the bed in the bedroom,

and she heard me call her name. really harsh like Kira and I said and I thought maybe she had heard the TV or something you know and he said and I heard me

yell her name too and it came from our bathroom and he said I did not yell for her and he said her and I both heard something in my voice yell for her and she was visible shaken up because she just, she didn't want to believe in this stuff anyway, but things just

happen on and off all the time. Yeah, that's the way it usually works, right? I mean, if you don't want to believe in something, sometimes things happen where it either forces you to believe in it or it forces you to make a decision to truly ignore your real-life experience. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, she can denounce. to, but we know what she's heard and experienced here.

And I don't necessarily believe in, I don't know. I don't know what I think it is. I don't necessarily think that there's haunted places as much as haunted people, you know, that

maybe paranormal just happens around certain people. And maybe I'm one of those people. And for sure my son is. And I think my daughter-in-law is, or my granddaughter is too. Yeah, I mean, so that's interesting that you say all that because I think that that's very possible that there are certain people that are just prone to have paranormal type

experiences. And I do think that sometimes that is something that gets passed on through generations. was it your son that saw the half-goat half-man at the house? Yeah. Yeah. See? Yeah. All right.

Again, you know, we talked about, you know, ancient mythology and stuff like that before in this show. And again, that's another one that pops up, which is, which what you described to me sounds like a fawn and not like a fawn as in like the animal that we're accustomed to knowing. But I think it was an ancient Rome. They had this creature that was called the fawn and it was in the woods. and it would sometimes assist people on their travels, or it would scare the living hell out of people, but it was... Yeah. The lower body was a goat, and the upper body was a man. Now, I think it was typically depicted as, like, the legs and tail and feet of a goat, but the torso and head of a man.

And what you described, I think what you said was a body of a goat head of a man. So was the upper body a man, or was the upper body a goat as well? Do you know? It was a man. Well, he says a boy. He said it looked like a boy. I think he said about eight or nine years old. They both seen it.

They said he had brown hair. They went into big detail about it. So, you know, they were adamant about it. And I'd never seen that over there. I've seen a few things, but nothing like that. Now, he was, he told me one time he called me totally freaking out when they lived down the road. And he woke up that morning and called me. He said he had came in from work that night about midnight.

And he said his wife and his daughter was asleep at the time they only had the one daughter, Evelyn. And he said that he woke up. and or he didn't wake up. I'm sorry. Somebody came in and threw me off. He said he, he was laying there trying to go to sleep. And he said, um, he heard somebody standing with him and, uh, or beside the bed and said, um, is he asleep yet? And, um, he said it totally, totally.

he freaked him out. He told me all what said about it. He said, because I was not asleep, he said, I just went to bed. I was trying to go to sleep. But he said, I was totally awake. And I hear, is he asleep yet? And he said, it's right next to my head.

That's terrifying. It's like something, it's like ghosts or demons or whatever you want to think they are, are standing around you, asking, talk to each other. Is he asleep yet? Can we do it yet? It's like, it's scary. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like they're observing you and checking you all the time. I don't know. My grandmother and my grandfather both had experiences. They told us about as kids and my aunts and uncles and my mom and all of them.

my grandmother my grandpa told me this because me and my grandma were super close but she had two brain aneurysms when I was about 12 and they had to remove them and she was blind

and basically bedridden from then on for like 13 years but he I'd ask Grandpa. Grandpa was a deacon in the church for 35 years. He was the best example of a Christian that I've ever had in my life. I loved him dearly. And he was just honest as the day was long. And he told me that he told me several things. He told me that one time right after him and grandma got married, that they had their baby. They had been married a couple of years, and they had had their first son.

And he was, I think he said, like six months old at the time, something like that. And he said that he went to work that morning, and he said, Grandma was doing the breakfast dishes. And she had made breakfast, and he left. And he said, when he came home that evening, about four or five o'clock, he said she was standing out in the yard and she was crying, holding the baby. And she was all sweaty and shaking all over. And they had a collie dog, he said. And he said, this collie was jumping up in the air and biting the air around her.

And he said, as soon as I pulled in and put it in park, the dog quit. And he said, I got out of the car and I'm like, you know, what's wrong? What's what's going on? And she fell on and crying with the baby. And she said, I want to move. I want to move. And he said, he said, wow, what's going on? And she said, I just was cleaning today.

And I had the baby in the kitchen on the blanket on the floor. floor and he was playing and she said all of a sudden the circus music started playing over my head going in a circle and the dog started jumping up and biting at it and she said I grabbed the baby and ran outside

and I've been out there all afternoon and it wouldn't go away till you pulled in and she said the dog was barking at it and biting at it and he said they moved. He said, we just packed it up, moved. He said we were rented anyway,

but we just moved, like the next day. He said, I wouldn't want to have her staying somewhere where she was afraid. But there was several things like that. He told me that they lived in Fort Gay, West

Virginia, and he said that he used to walk like over these rolling hills, to see her like a couple miles to see her. And he said that there was this one part that he would hear these screams and stuff that didn't sound like anything he had ever heard.

He said that it would just scare him to death to have to walk. He said, I would try to avoid walking at night because the screaming and the, the noises. He said it sounded like something not of this world. He said, I've never heard nothing like

in my life. And then there was one time he was telling me that he was walking, I think, to see grandma. I'm not really sure where that he was a teenager. And he said he

was down in the dip between these two hills. And he said the moonlight had it all lit up really nice and bright. But he said it was like 11 o'clock at night. And he said, when I got down in the dip, he said, I could hear somebody talking. And he said, I just kind of froze and I looked up. And he said, on top of this hill, I could see these two men and they were arguing and talking but he said one was walking backwards

and one was walking forward and they were carrying a body and he said you know I thought on my Lord I walked up on a murder you know and he said that he said I just was like

you know what's going on. And he said that I waited there for a few minutes, and he said they disappeared behind the hill. And he said, I ran up and got on top of the hill. And he said, on the other side of it was a cemetery. And he said, there was nobody there. He said, absolutely no one there. and he said, I've seen these two guys carrying this body over the hill.

So, you know, he had several stories like that. Those were the two biggest ones that I can remember off the hand. Well, I'll tell you what, all this stuff has happened in West Virginia, right? Yeah, yeah. I'll tell you what, West Virginia is one spooky place. Yeah, I know several people that have some stories, but yeah, I don't know. I had a hard time. I hear people tell stories, and I think, yeah, right.

And then I have to think, yeah, you've seen a panther bird. So don't criticize anybody else because, hey, you know, people are looking at you saying, sure you did, you know. But trust me. We've seen it together. And as a friend of mine this morning, I was telling her that I was going to be on your show. And she's like, Vicky, you realize that people are going to think you're crazy. I'm like, they already think I'm crazy.

I'm not worried about it. Well, that's the thing about the show. I mean, I really do try to have a platform where people can, just really share what they've experienced. And, you know, it's, it's really up to the audience to decide whether they want to believe certain stories or not. But I think that what I've created is something that, you know, anybody can feel free to come forward and talk about the craziest thing they've ever seen. And at least, you know, whether the world thinks you're crazy or not and stuff, I mean, at least they know that they're going to be able to talk to me. And I'm going

to treat them with the respect that they deserve and hear their story out. Yeah. I like, I like what you said. I had never thought about the art and stuff from way back. I never, ever even considered that. And the fact that they're trying to open portals and stuff, my God. Yeah. That's absolutely crazy. And that's stuff that they wouldn't tell you up front.

Like at CERN, they're not going to say, yeah, we're trying to, you know, open up portals. But there's a lot of people that have come out of CERN, or at least supposed at people that come out of CERN saying that they are opening portals, whether they're doing it on purpose or not, they have done it. They open up portals and things have come through. And so right now, I think this entire year, CERN has been shut down. They shut down CERN for, I don't know, maintenance or something, I don't know. But it's not operating this year. But I think in 2020, it's supposed to kick back up again. And I'd be interested to see, you know, if there's a correlation in activity in the world when it comes to.

the CERN being active again. But yeah, it's very interesting stuff. Your stories are very interesting. And if I were you, I would definitely go ahead and look into the idea of the mythical creature, you know, this lion with wings and just start doing some research on it and stuff and see if you find any pictures of artwork and stuff that resembles what you guys saw. But it might be something to look into. I definitely will.

I knew if I needed some information, I needed to talk to you. I didn't even know where to begin. I've just rolled this round for years now thinking, you know, my God, you know, did we have a multiple hallucination of what in the world, you know? But I believe we've both seen it. I really do. And I don't think, even though it looked like you could reach out and touch it, I. I really doubt that we could have. I think that it was, I just think, like you're talking about them,

open up portals. I think there's definitely something going on, has been going on for a long time. And I think that's, um, it could be. I just don't know. I just think something's going on. And I think people dabbling in what they're dabbling in. and doing out of curiosity is real.

They try to like consistently people oh it's not real and go out and some demons like that one story that you told to them about seeing the dogs Yeah

Yeah Going out there with their friends And trying to have some fun or making fun of somebody from believing in it And then it actually happens And then you have something for the rest of their life

attached to them That's not funny That's exactly right That these things attach to you and then you have a problem. And actually, I can probably go ahead and tell you a little bit more. When I was about 11 or 12, my mom and my grandma kind of opened me up for, they brought me in the bedroom one day.

And my dad, my grandpa told them not to do it, not to show me, but they wanted to show me how to tell the future. And it was a family thing that had been passed down for generations. And they were like, you know, oh, it's just for fun. And, you know, but it really does work and blah, blah, blah. And I did it. And of course, being 11, 12 years old, it absolutely flipped my switch. And I showed my friends how to do it.

Everything that I asked and that it gave me an answer to actually happened. And I have no doubt that it really worked. But I have doubt that they used the Bible to do it. And they told me it was okay because it was done with the Bible, but it was, it wasn't evil because it was with a Bible because I was like scared to death. And they're like, oh, no, no, Jesus has this. It's done with a Bible. It's fine.

And they taught me how to do it. And I think I've had paranormal, normal. things happened to me ever since, but the thing was handed down to me. But I also you know, found

a website where I found this thing that they do that mom and my grandma showed me and it's an actual thing that people do and it's handed down from the Irish lineage and

we're we have like 40 40% Irish in us. I couldn't tell with the redheads. She said witches. Which, you know, maybe it is witchcraft. I have no idea.

But I think it opened up a door for things to to get to me. I don't know. I'm thinking. I really didn't have anything paranormal happen until we moved into that house over there. And I was about 21, 22.

So, but I don't know. A lot of unanswered questions. A lot of questions I have. And I just don't know. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, what they showed you and saying it's okay because it's with the Bible and things like that. I'd be interested to hear more details as to what they were exactly doing

and how that all works and stuff. But, you know, the way you describe it, it probably isn't something that's supposed to be done with the Bible. But, you know, it's an interesting world. Yeah, I wouldn't, I don't, I've made a deal with God. I told God when I actually got saved that I wouldn't tell anybody how to do it because I didn't want to pass that on to anybody. So I felt like it was evil, and I just didn't want to pass it on anybody. So I won't tell my granddaughters.

And I won't tell my son. I don't want anybody to repeat it for fear that something would attach to them and drive them crazy, you know? Yeah, so is this something that you could actually do right now? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. That's interesting. Absolutely.

Yes. Absolutely. Everything came out true that I would ask. Everything. It takes a little while for it to get started, but once it gets started, Yeah, with me anyway, it's like I said my Without going into too much detail, I just always said my fingers were hot when I was a teenager And, you know, you touch it and it moves and it's kind of like the Ouichi board concept, you know, and with the Bible.

And I could touch it and it would move. and if you wanted to tell me the right answer if I was asking the right question maybe that's what I would say but yeah it's it was

it was weird and I just don't want to be responsible for anybody else having demonic oppression or or anything like that, depression, oppression,

or to be followed by something. You know what I mean? I don't want that kind of, don't want to have that kind of responsibility on me. I don't, I would feel terrible if somebody had that problem. So, and I've had my share of being depressed and, feeling oppressed and whatever, that not possessed, but Oprah.

Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, ladies, I appreciate you coming on and sharing these stories and stuff. I think it was great conversation and great stories for the show. And I'm excited to hear what people think of them and stuff, because you shared some different stories that we don't really get a whole lot of on the show. Okay. Well, I'm glad that you enjoyed it.

Tony, thank you. Absolutely love your show. I wish you could do it full time, which you didn't have to drive a truck. Me too. Go ahead, Wendy. Thank you for having us on, Tony. We really enjoyed it. Well, that's the show, everybody.

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