The Confessionals - RELOADED | 266: Hell, Heaven, and Back

Episode Date: July 1, 2024

In Episode 266: Hell, Heaven, and Back, we speak with Jason and Amy, a married couple who endured a traumatic experience that most people can't even imagine. Jason has congenital adrenal hyperplasia and nearly died from the condition multiple times as a child. On December 9, 2016, after eating some take-out food, Jason's medical issues were triggered, and this time, he did die. He was dead for over 30 minutes before miraculously coming back to life! During those 30 minutes, Jason experienced both hell and heaven and now he's back to share everything he saw on the other side.Sasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comThe Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinAFFILIATESPrepare with Valley Food Storage: https://alnk.to/2uG55AOGet your Nephilim Blaster 2000: https://alnk.to/9mnHak1Bluecosmo Satellite phones: https://alnk.to/e769EipSee Bigfoot with Sionyx night vision: https://alnk.to/bEhxr3FEmergency medical with My Medic: https://alnk.to/dpr6QM4Black Beard Fire Starters: https://alnk.to/4BFcIbeEcoFlow Power Generators: https://alnk.to/flvpAQwGoDark Faraday Bags: https://alnk.to/5jke3rkEMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase!SPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducer

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And if you get the one-month supply, we'll knock $100 off for you right there. Now, this week we have Jason and Amy coming on the show. There are a married couple, and Jason had an experience that many people hear about, but most people can't envision actually happening to them. And that's Jason died. He was dead for about 30 to 45 minutes. And while he was dead, he went to hell. He went to heaven.

And now he's back. So we're going to bring on Jason and Amy to share this incredible story right now. All right. Today we got a great guest coming on. Actually, we have two guests coming on. We have Amy and Jason. How are you all doing? Doing well.

Awesome. Awesome. So you guys are a married couple. And Amy, you reached out to us and told us about an exceptional story, really, about your husband and how he literally beat death. And I find that very interesting. And it's something that really is not an under. description either. It's not an over description, I say. It's very accurate. So Jason or Amy,

however you guys would like to do this, start us off with, you know, where were you, what were you doing that kind of led to this event happening in the first place? Well, I was born. I was actually born in Pennsylvania, where you're at, but I was born with the disease called congenital, adrenal hyperplasia, which means my body doesn't produce salt so I can get severely dehydrated very fast. And we were going out Christmas shopping and we stopped at a local subway and we ate before we went out Christmas shopping. It was December of 2016. and then it was about 3 o'clock in the morning. He woke up severely sick and couldn't keep anything down.

And now the whole time, we've known each other since third grade. And then we got married. Well, this year, it'll be 14 years this year. Awesome. And the whole time I've known him, I've never known him to get food poisoning like this. or to have any kind of sickness that would cause him to throw up a lot and all that other stuff. So, honestly, I didn't really think anything of it. I was like, oh, you're sick, you know, and I tried taking care of him, making sure he got fluids and stuff.

I didn't realize. I kind of did because I knew he had this disease, but I guess because we never experienced anything like this, death really wasn't on my mind. I just thought, you know, I would get him better. And if he wasn't getting any better, I'd take him to the hospital, and they would pump him through with fluids, and he'd be fine. But it was a Friday night that we went, and by 4 o'clock Sunday morning, he was delirious.

He was screaming that he was in a lot of pain, and so I helped him get dressed. And we got into the car and I started driving to the hospital and he started breathing really rapidly. Like I've never heard someone breathe like this before. So I looked over at him and he was just like moaning and breathing so fast. And I was like, what's wrong with you? And he wouldn't respond to me. His eyes were open. But it's like he wasn't there.

And I started, you know, smacking on him and yelling at him. And then I said, I've got to call 911. I don't know what's going on. So I called 911 and they told me to pull over. And before they even got there, I knew that he died right there in the car with me because I've seen him take his last breath. And the thing about when someone died, I've never experienced this before. And, you know, when you see it in the movies, it's completely different than your loved one dying in front of you.

you. You know, some people say, well, why didn't you try to do CPR? I was hysterical. I didn't know what to do. All I could think of is, oh, my God, he's dead. How is this happening? And when he took his last breath, the thing that stuck in my mind the longest was his tongue came out. And he just, he wasn't there anymore. And then the cops showed up first, then the EMTs, and they took me and put me in the back of a cop car so they could work on him. And the police called my parents, which lived in the same town, and they showed up. And it took them about 30 minutes before they could finally get his heart beating again. And so his brain was without oxygen or blood for, I would probably say, maybe 33 minutes,

you know, given the time it take from him dying and then actually getting there. and then we got to the hospital and they told us that they had him stabilized but he had no brain activity and they were lifelighting him to Vanderbilt which is a popular hospital in Nashville because we live in Clarksville we only have one hospital and it's not the best so when we get to Vanderbilt and they told me that they did everything they could but that they didn't expect to him to live because all the tests they had run and everything they were trying to do for him, his brain was not showing any activity whatsoever. And they told me to prepare for him not to make it.

And it was, you know, it was awful. And I have two daughters, and they were at home. At the time, one was 16, the other one was 13. and they had no idea what had happened because they were asleep when we left. So I have an older sister that lives here in town. She went to the house and she told them what happened and brought them up there. And this was like a couple hours later. And by this time, most of my family and stuff are there with us and he's in the ICU.

And they told us to hold his hand and to talk to him, you know. So we were doing that. And they kept saying, you know, try to get him to squeeze your hand or do something to let people know that he's actually there. But he hadn't been responding to anything. My daughters get there. And they were very upset. And my oldest daughter, I don't know. I don't know why she's.

Both my daughters are different than most. But when she was younger, she looked at me. I think when she was like through or four and said, Mom, I don't know what love you means. And ever since then, she would never say it. She would write it on stuff, but she would never say it to anybody. Well, she got up there, and she grabbed his hand, and she said, Jason, it's Audrey.

I love you. And immediately, his head jerked, and he squeezed her hand. And everybody was going crazy, and they told everybody to get out of the room because they wanted to do more testing and stuff. And he finally started reacting to the tests. And so we had hope. And then after about a couple days, they did some brain scans and everything. And they came and told me that even though he was showing signs of improvement,

he would probably not live a meaningful life because he had such severe damage done to his brain. It was the frontal lobe And I was really upset That was the worst day for me, I think Because I felt like You know, God, why would we go through this And why bring him back if he's just going to be a vegetable? And

Thankfully, I had so many family And just people I didn't even know reaching out to me on Facebook and everything praying for us and just loving on us I think it was their faith that got me through that because my faith was in shambles at the time. I'll start with my story. The last thing I remember was my wife screaming at me for me to say something. And immediately after she was screaming at me, my body, my spirit fell out of her.

my body and I started free falling and it was a it was like a long fall that it was so fast like I've never jumped out of a plane and free fall but I would think that that's how it was and immediately I was in hell because when you're dead, the spirit world and your spirit, it's, you know who you're face to face with. You know exactly what's going on. You're more alive, you're more alive than you hear than you are here on. that world is so more real than it is here and you feel so much more than you feel here I was in hell

I was right next to the lake of fire I was face to face with Satan and you know you see pictures of Satan with heaven horns and all this stuff You know, the Bible depicts him as the most beautiful angel. And he looked like a regular person, but I felt in my spirit the evil, I mean, just complete evil. And I knew he wanted to get to me to torture me. When I was in hell, he was accusing me of a bunch of stuff.

You know, when I was, before I found the Lord, Jesus, you know, I was searching. I was doing all kinds of drugs. When I ran into my wife, my dad was in the military, and we moved, I moved back to Clarksville, and I started running around some of my old friends. And when I ran into my wife, she wasn't my wife yet, but I was high on cocaine and drunk. But I was searching if there was something else out there because I felt so empty and I thought of suicide and all kinds of stuff. And then I ran into her and she was already going to church and stuff. and I always wanted to date her through high school and stuff,

but I was always a player, so she never would give me the time of day. And she said, if you want to date me, date me, then you've got to stop all this stupid crap that you're doing right now. So that night I went home and I flushed all my drugs down the toilet. and I've been clean ever since. But the evil, the evil I felt, there's evil people on this earth,

but the evil I felt in hell, it doesn't even come close. You know, everything, it's like a telepathic, It was everything I did in my life was up in my head. He showed me everything I did bad in my life. Satan did. I didn't want to look at them because the evil, and he was trying to get to me and he couldn't get to me

because he knew I was being protected. And I was looking around by the lake of fire, and I'd seen millions of people in the lake of fire, millions. And I seen famous people. I've seen pastors in the lake of fire, but they had no names. You have no identity in hell. You just know what they did here on earth. And it really bothered me that I seen pastors in a lake of fire,

but I remembered the scripture that you'll be held to a higher accountability if you lead my people astray. and I've seen thousands of demons just crawling everywhere, and they were all grotesque and deformed. And the thing that I was thinking was, why am I in hell? I used to be an assistant pastor, and I used to preach the word, why am I in hell? And that really bothered me for a long time.

And I didn't want to talk about going to hell because it terrified me so much that it was hard for me to talk about it. And eventually, you know, I started telling my wife that I went to hell. But after a while in hell, all of a sudden, like, a light came down around me and I started going up so. fast like I was lifted up like the speed of light and I was in a brilliant brilliant light and I was going up so fast and but the light was alive and it was so loving and so so different than being in hell and all of the sudden I was in heaven. And like I said, when you're dead, your spirit, the spirit world is so much more real than here. I knew I was in heaven. And I was in a meadow. And that meadow had a stream. It had thousands of flowers. The stream was alive. Everything in heaven was. was alive.

And the flowers were all alive. The colors on the flowers, it's colors I've never seen here on earth. Never. And the colors, like I say, when everything's in heaven is alive, the colors were even alive. Your spirit knows, automatically know that colors were alive. Even the flowers were alive. I come across my old Rottweiler that I had to put down. And I don't remember the conversation we had, but we had a conversation.

I talked to my dog. and it just blew my mind. So, Jason, one second. So you literally had like a true conversation with dog. It wasn't like you were just talking to dog and the dogs looking at you with like a dog look, but he actually spoke back with you? Yeah, yeah. It was all up in your head.

Like the only audible word that was ever spoken to me was when Jesus told me I was forgiven. But yeah, I can't remember the full conversation of my dog, but we had a conversation. It was like mind speak. It was like a mind speak, yeah. Okay. But you can also speak, you know, audibly speak also. But it was like I could see 360 all around me. like I knew what was behind me on the side of me in front of me.

It's just you it's automatic. You know exactly, you know, where everything's at. And when Jesus said I was given, like even the water in that stream, hands came out of that water and started praising. The flowers even got louder when he said I was forgiven. But it so much went on that I was trying to take in everything, and everything's coming at you so, so fast. When I was speaking to my dog, I looked up and I seen Jesus approaching me,

And I knew it was Jesus because when you're dead, you know who you're face to face with. He had, what movie was that from? Heaven is for real. Heaven is for real. That little boy that went to heaven. And the little girl that painted the picture of Jesus, that is what Jesus. looked like. He, you know, he had, he didn't have white, white skin. He had, you know, he was from Israel. He's an Israel light.

Dark complexion. Yeah, he had a dark complexion and he had light blue eyes. The light blue eyes, it was, his eyes were so piercing, but so, so loving. And like in heaven, you're consumed by love. I mean, you just feel it in your spirit. And it consumes you so much. Just like in hell, the darkness consumes you. You can't even see your fingers in front of your face and the darkness consumes you. But in heaven, the love consumes you. And I felt it. And we were having a conversation. He told me I needed to come back because he knew I didn't want to come back to the earth

because I knew what I was coming back to. I was coming back to an earth that people were fighting and killing people and arguing and so much evil here on earth. And I didn't want to come back to that. After feeling all that love that I felt, I knew what I was going to come back to, but at that moment, I didn't have any memory of my wife or my daughters. But he showed me the nail marks on his hands, and he told me, I did this for you and everybody else on that earth.

he said you need to go back and tell people why I died why I died for them and that I'm coming back soon and he knew what I went through in hell and

the only audible word that he told me he said you're forgiven and when he spoke that word, the angels in heaven, the colors, the flowers, even my dog, the singing just got so, so loud, but it didn't hurt your ears. You know, the whole time, all I heard was just music and it's the most beautiful music I've ever heard in my life. And it was so soothing. I knew the music was in every language on this earth, but I can only understand the English. But I also

knew that the spirit world is so much more real. I knew it was being sung at the same time in every language that because there's people everywhere on this earth that is in heaven. And, you know, it just, it blew my mind that I knew every language in those songs was in those songs at the very same time. And it's, I didn't want to come back. When I was a child, I used to have seizures. And one time, I was in the emergency room and I left my body and I was hovering over my body. And I seen my guardian angel. And every once in a while, when I was little, I would see that guardian angel over me, looking over me.

And when I was walking down the road one time, this lady come running out screaming at me saying, there's angels all around you. There's angels all around you. And I told her, I said, I know I see them all the time. And but yeah, that's pretty much my story there. no we're not done yet i you're not going to just leave me in heaven here buddy we got so we're going to start off with uh all right so you're in heaven you're having a conversation with jesus you say he looked like the jesus from the movie uh heaven is for real and uh i've you know

like i say a million times on the show i don't watch movies and so i never saw the movie i just looked up the painting i guess And is that, I'm assuming the person that you're talking about here? Yes. The common, okay. Well, he's a good looking guy. So, you know, I mean, how, how, like, accurate is this? Like, I mean, if you say, I mean, he looked like the painting, are you saying, like, identical?

Or is it, like, the eyes that look the same or what? It's identical. It's identical. Okay. Yeah, it's, like. It makes, it made sense to me because, no, that he has light blue eyes because all the Israel lights normally had dark eyes. I've always thought that Jesus had blue eyes because I had done a Bible study one time where it talked about. Rachel and Lee and how the description of her was that she had weak eyes.

And one of the studies said how what it might have meant was that she had blue eyes, because back then they saw blue eyes as a deformity. They didn't see it as something pretty. And in the Bible, it also describes Jesus as, you know, he wasn't attractive to the other people, basically saying he was, you know, unattractive and ugly. And I always thought, then he must have had blue eyes. And then when Jason, you know, was telling me that, I was like, oh, my gosh, you know. So I was right. Yeah, you know, I don't never, I never knew that. I never knew that about the deformity that they thought was with the blue eyes.

So it's really interesting. Okay, so you're in heaven. Everything's alive. You see Jesus. You talk with Jesus. what was the reason? Like, do you have any idea why you fell to hell before ascending to heaven? Yes.

I believe Jesus wanted me to actually see that there is consequences if they don't follow him. If they don't have a relationship. Jesus told me the most important thing is a relationship with me. And, you know, there's, when I seen that pastor in the Lake of Fire, there's so many people that go to church every Sunday and Wednesday, and they think they're doing their thing, and they don't even know them. They never even speak to them or nothing.

And, you know, he said the most important thing is a relationship. with me and I'm coming back soon. So, I mean, that kind of goes, you know, it goes with what the Bible tells us, you know, when it comes to salvation, you know, it's about Jesus and it's not only confessing with your mouth, but believing in your heart. And with the believing in your heart, it's, you know, if you truly believe in your heart, there is a relationship that follows from that belief. and so that that's really interesting. And okay, so I'm trying to wrap my mind around all this stuff here because I'm trying to think,

I don't even think I've ever had anybody on this show. I've had somebody on the show that has had a near-death experience. They died, came back, told me what they saw. But this is not that. This is so, wow. Okay, so you're in heaven. Let's not even get out of heaven yet. Let's just stay there for a while and let it marinate. So you're in heaven. Everything around you is alive and loving. And when you were describing this environment you were in and then seeing Christ come walking towards you and having that interaction, I'm sitting here and I'm looking at this painting that you said that he looked. like when you were describing that. And I just was, I felt like I, like I was looking to the eyes

of God. Like, when I wasn't in this painting because of what you had said. And, um, all right, so the dog. Let's get back to the talk here. What, what do you think about this, this idea then? All right. So you, you see the dog. You, you have a conversation with the dog in heaven. You knew the dog because it was your dog. This is a question that I'm going to, I personally, not to be mean or anything, I personally don't really care, but there's a lot of people that are going to want this question answered. Yeah. Do all dogs go to heaven?

You know, like, like people love their pets, right? And so pets, like dogs, cats, it's not like a matter of sin. It's not a matter of, you know, accepting Christ as their savior. That's a human thing. and so if that's the case then do you personally feel that people are people's pets are going to be there waiting for them when they get to heaven or do you think this was an exceptional or something that was an exception where you were allowed to see your dog because of some reason i i don't have the answer i don't know if every animal goes to heaven i he just allowed me to see my dog

because I was tore up when I had to put her down. I didn't see any other animals. I just had a small glimpse, small glimpse of heaven. I wasn't like, I didn't walk down the golden path or anything else that you read about in the body. I didn't see any mansions. I didn't see any of that stuff. He just allowed me to see my dog. I don't, I didn't see anything. I didn't see any other animals. But I've seen, you know, thousands of angels and the it's like I said when I was younger, I I've seen my guardian angel a few times.

But, yeah, I've seen, I don't know about anybody else's animals or anything else. You know, my father passed away before this happened. I didn't have an encounter with my father or nothing like that. but he he just allowed me to see um you know my dog okay yeah i i just wanted to make sure i remember to ask that because i knew if i didn't ask it i was going to get some emails about it because people want to know so i think they are i think i think they are but that's just my opinion yeah i mean listen like i said for me i i just don't care either way like i mean i love my pets now and stuff, but I just, for me, I imagine, like, if I'm in heaven, I'm going to have a lot

more things on my mind other than a dog that I once knew. So, uh, that's just how I view it and stuff. But, um, of course, I'm mean too. People tell me. So, but, uh, no. All right, so, gosh, I feel like there's a million questions I should be asking right now with this. Um, you're, all right, being in heaven, you didn't see the mansions. You didn't see, you didn't see, you didn't, You said you didn't walk down the Golden Road. Did you see the Golden Road? No. I was just in this meadow.

So you were just in like a meadow that was like a holding place for you. Yeah. Yeah. And like I said, when I used to be in this system pastor. And, you know, I'd have doubts and all this stuff. And I never understood omnipresent, like how Jesus could be everywhere at the same time. Well, I got that answered. When I was face-to-face with Jesus,

I also knew he was with a thousand other people at the very same time, having another conversation with them. I was face-to-face with him, but I also knew he was in other places at the very same time. And I've seen it happen and it still blows my mind. And how do you, how do you put that in words? And it's, you can't. You can't put that in words.

Yeah, no, you can't. And it's even like the idea of the Holy Trinity. I just had somebody email me asking me about my thoughts on the Holy Trinity and how do I understand it. And I'm just like, I really don't understand it. You know, it's, I don't know how to tell you other than the simple explanation of it's, it's God three and one. Literally God three and one. And I don't understand past that. It's, it's hard to fathom. And like what you just described about being, you know, in all places at one time. And, and, and holding communication.

with people in all places at one time. It's, man. So, like, this education that you got, this information you got, like, this, what you just share with the omnipresence, that's something that, like, it's not like he stood there and told you, but it's just something that, like, you just understood because, I guess the, was it the, I feel like saying the environment is, like, understating it. But, like, it's like, you're in heaven. It's a whole new realm. It's a spiritual realm, it's a, it's, it's just not this reality that we're accustomed to. And I guess that's how you understood it. I think it's because, you know, in the spiritual world and the spiritual realm, there's no limits. There's no physical limits because there's no body. You don't have a

finite mind and brain. It's, you know, it's almost like an automatic download. And it's just like he just, the information just comes to you. And like when he first got there, and it was so overwhelming because it was just so much. Because it was just, you know, knowing everything right at that second. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. So let's, let's kind of rewind here a little bit.

When you were in hell, I guess, you know what, let me ask you this before we even get to that point, from the time that you, you had died and you fell, you felt yourself falling and you fell into hell to the time that you were brought back. How long did it feel like that for you, Jason? I mean, people were saying that, you know, it's 30, 33 minutes,

but for you, what you just described to me, it must have felt longer than 30 minutes. It did. It did. Like, there's not a clock in heaven, and there's no clock in hell. And there's no time when, you're dead and it felt a whole lot longer, especially when I was in hell, it felt, it already felt like an eternity.

Because I thought I was going to be there for eternity. I never, you know, I didn't think I was going to get out of there. And then same thing in heaven. It was, it seemed faster in heaven because I didn't want to leave. Yeah. It wasn't long enough, you know? And, you know, I told Jesus I didn't want to come back. And I was like, I don't want to come back. I don't want to go back.

And he told me, he said, I, I've got a mission for you. You got to go back and tell people what you've seen and what you experience because I'm coming back soon. But heaven wasn't long enough for me. Yeah. You know, because I just had a glimpse of heaven. And, you know, like I said, I was just in that meadow. I didn't see anything else.

And I know there's so much more. you know and I didn't see everything like some other people that I've read stories about you know that they were actually walking down the street and stuff uh I was just in this meadow that's all I went to so yeah I can understand though I mean when you're having a good time it always goes by fast right yeah yeah you know I'm glad that you know, heaven would be eternity because it would take eternity to even try to fathom and get used to the idea of what you're experiencing. So, remind me, we're going to get back to this idea of why you were brought back. But before we do that, you're in hell and you said that

it had already felt like an eternity when you were there, which is extremely incredibly descriptive. When you said that, it gave me shivers. And the idea that you were there for such a brief period of time, yet you equated to being there for eternity, uh, tells me how, uh, how, how, uh, not, I don't even know, I don't even have the words to describe, um, what that is. Like, it's just, it's terrifying. Um, but you're down there and you come face to face with Satan. Um, he looks like a, a human, right? Is that what you said? Yeah, yeah. Okay. And, you know, like you said, the Bible describes him as the most beautiful angel. So, you can only imagine what he looked like standing in front of you. The lake of fire, the people inside of it. Was this lake of fire something that was seemingly in a central location? Or was it like something that you looked out at and you just couldn't see the end of it? It was just like, and was it truly fire? Was it like truly fire? Like a, a giant fire area? Is that what you mean by Lake of Fire?

Yeah. Yeah, it was, it looked like it was, it went on for a long time. You know, there were people, it really tears me up because the people in the Lake of Fire, they knew I was being protected and they were screaming at me for me to help them. Because what I seen, they were burning and burning and burning. and burning, and they would never die. And like I said, the spirit world is so much more real. And, you know, it still affects me today because those people were going to be there for the rest of their, for eternity.

And I wanted to help them. I wanted to help them and get them out. of there but you know the decision when that decision is made that decision is final and um um you know it's um it the lake of fire is yeah it's it's uh it's fire it's you know it's like when you walk in and when you're having a campfire or something and somebody walks in and they started burning to death. It's just like that, but it never, never ends. It's just continuously. And I heard demons torturing other people, but I didn't see that because I was so fixated on the people and the

of fire, but I heard people screaming at me and just I knew I knew that they were being tortured. Then there's other ways to be tortured in hell than just the lake of fire. But I didn't want to look at all that stuff. It, it terrified me. You know, I'm afraid of heights, but the terror. in hell. Indescribable. It's indescribable. I'll tell you, when he first started coming around and talking about this,

we had been in the hospital over a month at this time. And he still, you know, today, you can tell, he still has a hard time speaking sometimes. And he couldn't really talk that well at first. He had to go through rehab and he had to learn how to do everything again. walking, talking. I mean, he was like a newborn baby when he came back. And we had been there for a month, and the pastor that had married us had come to visit him. And he prayed over Jason. And he told Jason before he left, he said, I know you saw something. I know something happened to

you and I want to hear about it when you can tell me. And he left and Jason looked at me. And he just got this terrified look on his face. And he started crying. And he started bawling up into like the fetal position. He's like, no, I don't want to tell. I don't want to go back there. Don't make me go back there. And I was like, I had to calm him down.

And for a long time, he wouldn't talk about it. I had just had to give him his space and time for him to be able to get through it and then be ready to talk about it. Wow. So Jason was not Jason when you brought him home or when he came back. He had brain damage is what you're describing, right? Yes, he had a lot of brain damage. It was like right through the middle and to the front part and the frontal lobe of his brain. And when they showed me the scans, the damaged part was like white compared to, it was like a discoloration on the scan. And it was basically all through the middle and the front part of his brain. And it was due to the lack of oxygen and blood. So, I mean, he, you know, he wasn't Jason at first.

It was like I had another child that had to take care of. I had to bathe him and clothes him. I had to feed him. You know, for me, it was like I, it was really hard to me because for me I had to grieve. I felt like I grieved the loss of my husband because he came, but he's a different person now. He's, there's a lot of things I love better. But of course, I mean, he's still Jason, but he's different in a lot of ways because it changed him a lot. I know I can tell you we've argued maybe once since all this happened, and this past December was three years.

It's brought us closer together, definitely. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. It changed my whole life. I'm like half a semester away from a four-year degree, and I used to counsel children. And I used to be a wrestling coach. You know, I used to be able to do all kinds of stuff before all this. But now I got to carry cards in my wallet to show me what the numbers and letters look like. Because I can't recall what they look like until they're in front of me.

I've got a minor in math, and I can barely count on my fingers. I can't add on my fingers hardly. You know, math used to just come so easy to me. And I used to help my daughters going through school, you know, and teaching them, you know, math and stuff. And, you know, I lost all that. I can't remember hardly anything from college. you know, learning anything from college.

My doctor said that knowledge is still there. It's just hard for you to recall it. And, you know, the rehab, you know, relearning how to walk, relearning how to talk. I remember in rehab, I didn't know what the colors were called, you know, whether it's orange or blue or green. I just looked at it like it was Chinese to me. And, you know, things that you take for granted and then it's taken away from you.

It's difficult. Your whole life is changed in an instant. We've lost a lot of friends because of it. Yeah, we've lost a lot of friends and things. And, you know, through this whole thing, you know, being in the hospital so long, you know, our house went on foreclosure, and we had a bunch of friends get together and have a yard sale to. to get our house out of foreclosure. You know, because when you're living your life,

you don't think about things like that. So, you know, we would have, we had a small savings, but that all. Because at the time I was a stay-at-home mother and I didn't have a job. We relied totally on Jason's job. Yeah, and I used to make quite a bit of money at my job. And then now I'm still at the same company, but I had a huge pay cut because I can't do what I used to be able to do.

And so it's a whole life change. And it gave me more compassion with people with disabilities. You know, I used to get frustrated with people that were slow and wouldn't get out of the way and things like that. And now it's like I know, I understand what they're going through, you know. And it's, I'm happy that it happened to me, though, because I used to have a really, really bad temper. that's pretty much non-existent now. I still get frustrated because I remember everything I used to be able to do. And when I tried to do something that I used to be able to do and I can't do it anymore, it's frustrating.

My daughter that I taught how to ride her bike, she taught me how to try. to ride the bike when I got out of the hospital. And it's a complete circle. My daughter teaching me how to ride a bike. And I laugh about that now. You gotta have a sense of humor. Because if you don't have a sense of humor, man, so many people with my type of brain injury,

a lot of them commit suicide or get very depressed. and and you just, I can't let that happen. You know, I got to keep going forward, you know. Yeah. Well, you know, I think some people might react a little different. And, you know, it doesn't sound like you have any resentment. And I was wondering, because, you know, some people might be resentful. Like, okay, I died.

I had a different kind of experience. I got to meet Jesus. He sent me back, and it's like he couldn't send me back with a fully functioning brain again? I mean, what is going on here? But it doesn't sound like you have any kind of resentment. Do you think that this is just all part of the plan? It's all part of the plan. You know, he made me rely more on him than my abilities.

Like, you know, I used to drive big trucks, a big old Coke truck, like a big old Coke truck, like a semi. And, you know, I can't pass my DOT physical anymore. I lost my train of thought what I was saying, but, you know, it's, I'm not angry about it. I'm not angry about it because it made me look my life differently. What used to be important in my life isn't. I realized it wasn't really important. And it made me realize what was really important, you know.

And a lot of, you know, you know. You know, I've read stories about people with my type of brain injury and they're angry and upset. And, you know, yeah, you're a different person. But, you know, I can't fathom going through something like that without a relationship with Jesus. Because I believe my relationship with Jesus is the ultimate. only reason why I am here right now as I am. You know, a lot of people got to take the bus to go to the grocery store and stuff. And, you know, I've had to relearn how to drive a car again, you know.

And like I said, I used to drive a semi-truck and, you know, relearning how to drive just a regular vehicle, you know, it was frustrating. I scared the crap out of my daughter and my wife to help because I kept looking down at my feet. We had him in our neighborhood. He wanted to try it. And so I was like, all right. And so I let him get in the driver's seat. and he kept looking at his feet instead of looking at where we were going. I said, no, not, we can't do this. So I'm not dying if you just came back. It's understandable. It's understandable.

I mean, it just came back. You're not going anywhere anytime soon. They need to preserve that life. So. But let me ask you, you know, how long did it take you to start remembering these details after you came back. Was this something that was immediate or was it something that was gradual over time?

Like you remembered some stuff, but then as time went on, you started remembering more or more. It was more gradual. And because for a long time there, it took him a hard time. It took him a long time to be able to put it into words

because he also had what's called ephasia where you know what you want to say, but you just can't get it. out and he couldn't recall the words to say what he remembered. So it took about a year and a half before he finally could really say, this is what I saw and this is what happened. Now, Jason, when you came back, they said that, I guess at least we can say you showed signs of life when Audrey said that she loved you. And I think that, I think that, I said that, I think your wife said, Amy said that your hand twitched or your head moved.

Do you recall that moment at all? Do you remember, like, because you kind of, you left us hanging in the meadow with Jesus. You didn't really tell us how you came back or anything like that. I mean, do you remember coming back at all? I don't remember hardly anything in my hospital stay. I don't remember my daughter telling me that she loves me. When Jesus said that I've got to come back because he's coming back soon, as soon as he said soon, it was like I was in my body again, instantly. And it's it took me, I didn't know that I was back in my body because I was on my body because I was on a lot.

a ventilator, you know, because my body wasn't breathing on itself. But yeah, everything in the spirit world, it's almost like instantly. And I don't, like I said, I don't remember hardly anything from the hospital stay. I don't remember a whole lot of people coming to see me. My wife says a lot of people came to see me because all the stores that I used to service. He works at Frito-Lay, and he used to drive a route and deliver to them. And so all his customers that he delivered to, they were worried about him. So you had people visiting you in the hospital, but you really don't remember much of that.

So the whole process of you, man, this is going to sound ironic. was falling from heaven to waking up in the hospital to all that stuff. It's kind of a foggy, cloudy memory then, huh? Yeah, yeah. It's, you remember bits and pieces from the hospital because you told me. Yeah, I remember bits and pieces, you know, more than the rehab, the rehabs and rehab because when I was in ICU, I don't remember any of that. Because you were partially out of it.

Yeah. When I was in rehab, I remember, you know, a few of my friends would come and visit and I'd get so excited. Because once you're laying in the hospital bed for so long, it's like you're, you're you're going out of your mind because you're you're you're you're starting to remember everything that you used to be able to do and you just want to get up and start walking and you can't because um you with your body just doesn't remember yeah yeah my body doesn't remember how to walk um um you know i've had a at first i started um um um um um um um um um in a wheelchair, going to rehab and stuff.

And, you know, tell her, tell them about the nurse brushing my teeth. Yeah. He was, while he was in the hospital, he was, like I said, it was like, this one lady's told me, it's like a computer. She said, when a computer boots up, you know, it slowly, one section starts, then the next, and the next. And then with him also, it was almost like his brain was going through a reboot. A reboot.

And he was like a little kid. And the nurse would come in and they would try to brush his teeth and he would bite down and not let them do it. Or he pulled the tubes, the feeding tube out of his nose. He started to and I kept telling him, no, don't do that. that. And he would look at me and act like he was going to do it. And I would say, no, stop. And then he reached up and yanked it out and then looked at me and smiled. And I was like, you little, that's like my two-year-old son. Yes. And he would, he would speak gibberish. And when he first started talking, though, it was Christmas Eve of 2016. The first words that came out of this

man's mouth was he started talking like, I didn't even recognize his voice. He was saying, where's my sheriff? Everybody shut the F up. And I said, what are you talking about? And he said, how he was going to, I'm going to shoot him all up. And I said, you don't even have a gun. And he looked at me and said, shut the F up. And he was screaming this. And like, the nurses had to come in and sedate him. And I'm like, I am so sorry. I don't know why he's acting. they said, well, with traumatic brain injuries, a lot of the time when they first come out of it and they start speaking, they'll use cuss words. It was crazy. Well, I guess you get a pass.

Yeah. You know, I want to ask you, you know, you had this experience and you remember what you remember. and what you remember is is actually significant detail. You mentioned about how you have heard other people similar experiences to yours. Knowing what you've been through, knowing what you heard, and you don't have to name any names, you don't have to name drop, but have you heard people that are in the public eye saying that they died, gone to heaven or hell and came back where you don't really believe them because, it just doesn't seem even remotely close to what your experience was?

There were, there's a lot of, because I've been listening to a lot of podcast of people that had the same experience. And, um, I don't know if I believe it completely because some of the stuff that they've said that it doesn't mean that they didn't have their own experience, but, you know, I take it like a grain of salt. Well, it's just like the whole thing with you. It's the main thing, one of the things that most people have a hard time believing is the is the dog part that's where everyone's like wait a minute yeah but if you knew jason you know and if you were friends with him for a long time you knew the person he was

you would know that he doesn't make this stuff up he's not he's he's he's that's that's what he's experienced he is not a liar he he's never been like that and he's never been one before this he was never like into like the supernatural stuff or anything like that he just you know he was more of a see it and believe it person you know

I've always been the one that's been into that kind of stuff you know and like I would tell him stuff you know that I would hear about or see and he'd be like you know I can't let you believe that you mean so he was more of a skeptic about stuff before this happened to him.

So, all right, you mentioned earlier about how you guys even lost friends from this. That kind of caught me off guard because it's a situation where you would think friends would actually stick by your side going through a hard time like that. Are you meaning that what you lost friends, not during that process, but afterwards, like when you started talking about your experience? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

when I start talking about my experience. There's a lot of people. I've got a lot of friends that don't believe in Jesus. So they don't want to hear about it. They don't want to hear about the consequences. So it's like I've got a friend that his dad is either a pastor or a deacon or something. But he has fell away so far away from the church.

And he's like, he don't really want to listen to it because that would give him a smack in the face kind of thing. You know, he's not at that point in his life where he's ready to have a relationship. There's so many people out there that they know the truth, but they don't want to make that final decision yet. They're not ready. And it hurts my heart because there's like when I was in hell, I was looking up and I had just seen just thousands of people dying right that second falling into hell.

And it gave me more of an urgency to tell people, you know, people get all caught up on church buildings and things. but we got to realize that we're the church, you know, wherever we go, we're the church. It's not a really building. And it gave me an urgency to share that there is consequences. And then, of course, you've also got people who just think that he's, he just dreamt it or he, you know, I'm like, He couldn't dream. His brain was dead. You know, I mean, he was, your brain after six minutes, that's when it starts to die. And he was dead for more than 30 minutes. And there was no brain activity. So he couldn't have dreamt anything. But, you know. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's always

going to be people who are naysayers who don't believe your story. You have to be okay with that, because you're not Jesus Christ and even Jesus Christ isn't saving every single person on the earth, right? So you can't take it personal. And, you know, when it comes to losing friends, I mean, I don't know if you lost friends that were, you know, Christian friends. But, you know, I would just point to the idea of, you know, you had an experience that is, you know, not typical coming back to life after 30, some minutes, then also having these memories. But the memories that you have, I mean, they do line up with certain things. Like, even the idea of the dog talking, like you said that kind of loses people. Well, we got talking donkeys in the Bible, you know, like, you got, I think it's Numbers chapter 22,

if I recall correctly. It's Bealem and his talking donkey. And, you know, he's beating the donkey and the donkeys arguing back and they're going back and forth and stuff. And it's just like, you know, it's there. It's there. I mean, you have to take it. You have to consume it and understand that, you know, or try to understand it. But I'll tell you what, this has been a really good time talking with you guys and just kind of hearing your story. And to be honest with you, there's so much there. I don't even know where to begin with a lot of this. Because it's just like, wow. Like, what do you say, what do you say to somebody when they're like, I talk to Jesus? Like, I saw him. I talked to him. It's like, you know what I mean? It's like, it's like, what am I supposed

like, like, how tall is he? Like, you know what I mean? What do you come back with? I can talk to that. No, it's like, I'm a psychologist major. And, and, and it's still kind of unbelievable to me. You know, it's been three years, three and a half years. And it's still, I'm still processing it. And, you know, when people hear about my story, they're like, even people that are so-called Christians, you can see it in their face like, yeah, whatever, you know. Sure, you went to heaven. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, I'll tell you, I understand that in a sense where, you know, even me, I mean, I went through a phase where when I was in church and I started coming out and talking about the things that I'm into with the paranormal, supernatural, all that stuff, cryptozoology.

And people, there are people at the church that kind of looked at me sideways. They're like, what do you, what do you do? Like, what? like the one guy I remember this distinctly because it really took me off I was standing around some people and we're all talking and we're talking about I think it was a topic of Bigfoot or something and it was just a good lighthearted conversation and this kid comes over and he was leading church worship that day they just got done practicing and he sits down at our table and he's just sitting there listening and then he kind of stops interrupts me and stops

me and he's like, wait, you believe in Bigfoot? And I looked at him and he was probably like 20 years old around that, 21, and I was like 30 something. And it was like one of those moments where you just everything freezes around you and a million thoughts run through your head at one time. And I looked at him and I just was like, yeah, yeah, I believe in Bigfoot. And that's what I said. But what I wanted to say was you snot-nose punk kid. Don't come over here to me and try to talk down to me when you're standing in the middle of a church where you're about to worship a God you never laid eyes on. And the only reason why you believe him is because you read about him in a book and you say you feel him in your heart. And I'm crazy because people say they see a giant hairy monster walking around the woods.

Come on now. But I didn't. I just let it go. You know, the whole thing about Bigfoot, you know, after seeing the spirit world that I've seen, you know, there's not many people that have seen Bigfoot. There's not many remains and stuff. It kind of makes me think maybe Bigfoot is in the spirit world, you know, and that's why you don't see them all the time. You know, and anything is possible in that spirit world. You know, before, I would say Bigfoot, whatever.

But now, man, there's every, like people saying that they're seeing aliens. How do you know that it's not demons that you're seeing? I don't know. It just opened my mind to different things, you know, because like I said, the spirit world is so much more real than this world, you know. And there's not many people that have seen Bigfoot. And, you know, who's to say that they're... But there has been.

Yeah, well, there's a lot of sightings of Bigfoot and stuff and things like that. But compared to the people, the amount of people that are in the world, not a lot of people have seen Bigfoot, you know, like... Yeah, that's true. Yeah. And maybe he's... He's a spirit, you know, from another dimension or something, you know. Yeah, I mean, it's like we don't know, but there are people who have described things

that revolving around Bigfoot that doesn't seem normal. Like, normal, like, obviously a giant hairy monkey running around the woods isn't normal for North America. At least we don't think it is. but like paranormal type things. And so if these things are doing that stuff, then there is definitely something more to it than just this physical realm.

And, you know, you said that when you were there, whether it was hell or heaven, it just the spiritual realm felt more real than this realm. That is, that's hard to fathom. See, I think that's what's kind of throwing me off here with you is that the things you're telling me, are things that my brain just can't comprehend. Like the idea that a spiritual realm, another realm after this one,

is more real than this one, knowing that the only real I have ever felt was this realm, I can't even fathom what you felt and how you felt and what you're even talking about. You know what I mean? Like the idea of it being more real is just like, wow, I can't, I don't even know what that would feel like, you know? Yeah, when I was in heaven, like, I've got scoliosis and my back always hurts.

But when I was in heaven, there was no pain. I felt like I could run a marathon. I mean, it was just, I felt great, great. And it's the same way in hell. It's like, like I said, those people being tortured, they're feeling it 100 more times than, like, if you get burned here on Earth, it's there. There, it's even more worse. You told me, he's told me before that it's like the senses we have here on Earth are heightened like a hundred times. Yeah.

seeing, feeling, hearing, everything is more. Yeah, well, I mean, I guess that would, that would make sense in the sense that you're in a whole new reality that's supposed to be more pure and perfect than this one, right? I mean, it's, you know, we're living in a flawed reality. But I'll tell you what, this has been a great conversation. it's been very enjoyable for me to just sit here and listen to not only the experience itself, but the post experience of just going and learning to live life again in a different way than you once did, especially remembering that you were able to do certain things that you just can't

do now. It's been a good time sitting here and just hearing your story. Do you have any plans on making your story more part of your life when it comes to like telling people? Do you plan on hopefully maybe one day traveling and telling people about your story or kind of like starting your up your own kind of ministry again? Because I know you were in a ministry before. Is there any plans like that for you? Are you trying to just kind of be low key, live your life and just tell people when they cross your path? It's crazy because there's a lot of people, a lot of pastors. that know my story, but I haven't been invited to many churches at all. Because I think a lot of people, like I said, in church, they don't want to hear the reality.

And I'm, I'm... We've been to a few churches. I've been to a few churches to give my testimony. one of them was in Maryland and there were a couple here in Tennessee that had me come over and share my testimony but there's a lot of churches me being an assistant pastor before

you know there's a lot of people that know my story but we haven't got called to share our testimony very much It just takes me back to Jesus, you know, he wasn't accepted in his own town pretty much. So maybe we just need to go abroad. But we, shortly after I got out of the hospital, and we were out eating. And we had a lady come up and started. prophesying over me and that I'm going to go around the world and preach the gospel.

And she didn't know anything about me. She didn't know that I used to preach the word. She didn't even know what happened to you. Yeah, she didn't even know that what happened to me. We were just in a restaurant and the Holy Spirit put all in her heart to come over and tell me that I'm going to be a huge evangelist. And that was prophesied over me a couple times before this whole thing happened with me. And, you know, it's, I'm wanting to start my book.

I'm wanting to write a book about it and get the word out there. not to be famous, but to... Just to share what happened. To share what happened. And, you know, when I seen those people falling in the lake of fire, I knew that it didn't have a relationship with Jesus. So the most important thing in my life right now is to share my story. and hopefully somebody out there will hear and just open the Bible and start reading and just, you know, pray. People think that you've got to do all this stuff, but it's all you got to do is talk to him.

All he wants you to do is just have a relationship with him. talk to him. He's a, like, he's a regular person. And, uh, you know, uh, well, I mean, it's not a regular. Not, well, you know, he, he's as regular as a God can be, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and, uh, I'm wanting to write, write a book about it to get the word out there because there's people right now dying and going to hell. And that's what really bothers me. You know, there's so many fake pastors

out there. And, you know, they're all about the money and the fame and all that stuff. All I want is to help. You don't go to hill. Yeah,

make sure that they don't go to hill. I can't save their soul, but I can bring them to Jesus. You know, and that's my mission, you know. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, I mean, I've said this before on the show a lot of times, and, you know, it is what it is. I say it because I believe it. In America, it's different than across the world. And in America, Christianity has been desupernaturalized, and most

Christians do not, in this country, believe the depths of the reality of the supernatural when it comes to the book that they say they believe. And so it doesn't surprise me that you're not getting a ton of invites. I think that could turn at any moment. I think that culture dictates a lot of the church. And the church should be dictating culture. And so if the culture changes around the church, chances are the church will change. And maybe, you know, one day you'll get more invites because the culture changed. And I would say that you're doing what you need to do. You, you, whether it's writing a book, and I know it's not to be famous, it's to just share your story. And, you know, you're sharing your story on this show. It's a, you know, a sizable show. And I think

that's a good thing. And so you said that the whole reason you were sent back was that Jesus told you that you were to tell, basically tell the world, tell people that he's coming back soon, right? Yeah, and there is consequences if they don't believe in him. Okay. Well, you have done that on this show. And, you know, when, I guess my parting question, which probably isn't the best closing question, but when he tells you this, did you ever get a feeling of how soon? Do you ever feel like this is something that soon as in your lifetime, or do you think soon as in, you know, soon-ish? I don't know

Nobody knows what You know when he's going to come back But what did you feel when he told you that I've never even asked you that When he said soon I'm believing You know Not not within five years or ten years probably

But within my lifetime Okay Because all you got to do is look around the world and see what's happening. And, you know, the scripture says when you see these signs, it's getting close. And every year it gets closer and closer. And like I said, in heaven, like there's no time. There's no time. And it's like when he said, I'm coming back soon, you never know, is it five years or 10 years because there's no years up there, you know.

And that blows my mind also, you know, it's you can be dead for 30 years and it might seem like 30 seconds. You know, I have no idea. But he just told me that he's coming back soon. And what I'm taking it as, I better get prepared. And I better share what I experienced because I don't want those souls onto me. You don't want their blood on my hands. And if the Holy Spirit puts it in my heart to share my story or share. the gospel, I better share it because I know the consequences now. I've seen them face to face,

you know, and he takes that stuff serious. And, you know, the Holy Spirit, man, it's, I think there's a lot of people out there in the earth right now that the Holy Spirit is speaking to so many, people, but they're ignoring it. They don't want to listen to it. I believe they know who's speaking to them, but they don't want to, like my friend that has, you know, went away from Jesus. There's so many people that are not ready yet, and they better get ready because, like I said, you never know when you're going to die. I didn't think that I would die so early in my life. And, you know, you could go out there today and get in a car wreck and die.

Or eat from subway. And are eat from subway. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, I mean, that's funny. Well, Jason, I mean, if you ever, if you ever do make it to a formal funeral, a normal funeral for people, they'll say, well, he died twice. Yep. We think you got any surprises for us Jason before we put you six feet deep because you surprised us once before.

You know, so, you know, we can't ever count Jason out. That's for sure. Yeah. So, but I'll tell you, this whole thing happened in December of 2016, right? Yes. What day do you remember? December 11th is the day he actually died. Okay. So December 11th, 2016, on January 19th, 2017, I started my first podcast episode for the Confessionals. So maybe this was a little bit of a divine appointment, you know, that a month later, my podcast started. And here we are three years later, and you're on the show to share an experience that you feel you're supposed to share with the world. And that happened a month before I launched my podcast. I was in the planning stages when,

when this happened to you. Like, I started planning the show in October of 2016, and I finally launched it in January. So this was in the works. And so when Jesus told you to, to tell people that he was coming back soon. He knew I was in the process at that moment preparing the show. And so... And you know, I want to say something, Tony, I have heard you say before how you used to think that you were going to be a pastor or a preacher. And that's where you were headed when, you know, you took a different turn.

But I still believe that you are. I just think that you have a different ministry. than, you know, a normal regular pastor does because you, just by listening and helping people share their stories and, you know, the things that you believe in, you are sharing God in a way. You are, that's your ministry, and that's what I believe God has called you to do. Well, I appreciate that. And I don't think I would have ever cut it to be a pastor of a normal church, because if you call me at 3 o'clock in morning, tell me your goldfish died, I'm going to say,

don't ever call me again. And so I do appreciate it. And, you know, the difference is people show up to church on Sunday to hear about God. And so they don't yell at the pastor for talking about God. People yell at me for talking about God. So I get the emails and stuff. But, you know, it's one of those things where I allow guests on the show to be true to who they are and be themselves in the show, whether they believe in God, or they don't believe in God, whatever. You know, we've had, we've had Wiccans on the show. We've had Satanists on the show. I'll talk to anybody. And see, you reach people that most regular, normal people or churches are not going to reach.

Right. Exactly. And I just, because I talk to anybody and let people say whatever they, believe and how they feel on my show, I just asked for the same courtesy when your host feels free, to feel free to share whatever he feels and stuff. And, you know, it is, it is what it is. I, uh, I enjoy what I do. I enjoy talking to lots of different people from all, you know, areas of life. It's something that, uh, my entire life growing up, I've been pretty good at when it came to just, I didn't care who I was talking to. I usually was pretty good at finding something to talk to them about. And so this open format of a show where if you've had something paranormal or something like that happened to you, you come on and talk about it. I don't care

who you are. If you're a doctor, a Satanist doctor or a preacher that, you know, works in the jungles of Africa. I don't care. Like, I'm pretty sure I can hold a conversation with you. And so I do appreciate that. And, well, I don't know what else to say other than thank you very much for sharing on the show. Oh, you're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Well, that's the show, everybody.

I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. I don't care how you share the show. But if you enjoy this show, please share it around because that's the best thing you can do to help the show grow because the algorithms are not going to let us share the show naturally organically. So we need you, the listener, to people who actually enjoy the show to share it with other people so they can enjoy it as well. And just before I get out of here, I want to give everybody an update. last week I told you that my wife went into labor and she did go into labor. We had our baby girl, Gemma, and she is healthy. We had to take her back to the hospital because they wanted to put her to

Nick U. She was a month early and all that stuff. I was a little nervous about it, but everything turned out good. She's back home now. Her weight is up. She's healthy. She's beautiful. Blue eyes. So she's going to have a tan skin, blue eye girl. Woo. Boys back up because daddy's got a gun. All right. Until next week, friends, stay safe. Take care. And remember, the truth was such a free, but first he'll piss you off. Bye. I think it goes something like, Gabi, get them. Let's go.

I know you smell it in the air, because I've been in the grave for too long, I swear. People crying I'm missing. Oh, bitch, where it's been wrecked? My face pale, they can't tell you. That was fun.