The Confessionals - RELOADED | 27: Evil Lurking Outside

Episode Date: June 5, 2023

On Episode 27: Evil Lurking Outside, guest Steve joins the show to share his experiences with an evil presence that may have followed him home from work, and began oppressing him once it got there.Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinCome Meet Tony:1. Smoky Mountain Bigfoot ConferenceTickets: https://bit.ly/3l1wZHR2. LIVE SHOW in Gatlinburg, TN!Tickets: https://bit.ly/3IC4IkxWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0Tony's Studio Equipment: linktr.ee/mystudiogearSPONSORSGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals60 Promo Code: "confessionals60" for 60% off plus free shipping!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvet

Merkel? I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me that you built a time machine? Kind of a Dolion? Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves. Time travel is possible.

It's called pro. You guys hear that? I'll reload it. Welcome to the show, everybody. I'm your host, Tony Merkel, and I am really glad that you're here. And I'm really glad to be here. I want to let you guys know that actually in the next month or so, I'm going to be bringing in a special guest into the studio to interview me.

You see, ever since I started the show, I realized that I'm the one doing the interviewing, and you guys are the ones left piecing together who you think your host is. And so I think one episode would be fun for me to just share who I am, share my experiences with things in life. And also, I want to let you guys know. know that Lindsay and I had a great time last weekend at the blob fest where we were vendors. It was just a good time to get outside and meet some new people. And if you want to check out

some of the pictures, you can go to the Confessionals Facebook page. Give it a like and, you know, like some of those pictures too. If you want to find us on Twitter, you can find us at T. Confessionals. That's at T. Confessionals. Now, this week's show, we have Steve coming on. And Steve has had a lot of experiences in his life that all kind of stems from his job. So let's bring you. on Steve and hear what he has to say. Okay, tonight I have a great guest coming on. Steve has contacted me and he has three different instances that actually all kind of relate together. Steve, how are you doing tonight? I'm great, man. Great. So we were talking before we started recording here and you're down in

Alabama, right? I am, yes, a northwest corner of Alabama. Okay, great. So, we were talking a little bit, and it turns out you have some different ministries that you do. You're a little bit of a pastor. You do some other things in hospice work. You're kind of just a little bit all, you know, doing a little bit of everything here. Would you like to talk about that at all as far as what you do in hospice and things like that? Yes, I'm a chaplain for a and I also do a briefment counseling. I've been doing that for probably about six, seven years thereabouts. And I'm also an associate pastor of a church here in town.

I've been doing it for probably about 12, 13 years. The way everything started when I, first got into, well, it was before I got into hospice work, I was working at a paper meal. And my wife was pregnant with our firstborn child, which I've got two children, and they're both miracles. I believe all children are miracles, but, you know, doctors told me and my wife that neither one of us could have children. So I really am thankful for me. my kids. But the job that I was working at at the time, I worked all the time, didn't really have any

days off. I worked rotating swing shifts, so I, you know, wouldn't have got to say my family very much. So I took a job here locally at a plastics company, and there's a reason I'm telling this, because I believe it all links together. But when I started working at this company, I took a large pay cut just to, you know, have a Monday through Friday, you know, 9 to 5 job.

That way I could be at home at night with my family and, you know. But this company was owned by two guys, and they were just very, they were very hateful guys. very mean, spirited. They would say things to belittle you and, you know, would call their employee stupid and things like that. And I'm going to tell you, I'd for a long time, probably about two months or so, you know, on my way to work, I would pray for the owners, you know, that, you know, God would bless their day and that they would be in a good mood. and this went on for a little while until it got to the point to it that it would start kind of chipping away at me,

and I started harboring, you know, hateful feelings toward one of the owners. And I'm the type of person that it really bothers me to feel that way about somebody, especially as a Christian, you know, you're not supposed to. to have hating your heart for anyone, you know. And it really bothered me. Well, I'll fast forward a little bit to where I used to have a habit of walking around my house at night and praying, you know, over my family and, you know, just talking to God because it's quiet where I live.

It's real peaceful at night. You can see the stars in the sky. It's just, you know, it's just what I prefer to do. do. Well, there were just one spot right outside of my window that I could go outside and put an X on the ground exactly where it was. And it was almost like there was something standing there that I could not see. And it was just an evil presence. And it would make you feel sick to get close to it. And I mean to the point of, you know, being scared, there's not too many things in life that, you know, that really scare me to that degree.

But, I mean, it was just sheer terror. Well, I didn't, I didn't pay much mind to it until it just kept happening over and over every night. And I talked to my wife about it, and I said, man, there's just something going on. And I told her about the spot outside. And, well, one night, I'd fallen asleep on the cat. And my wife, she always would come and wake me up off the couch and say, hey, come get in bed, you know. So that's kind of what I expected, but it's not what happened. I was asleep on the couch and I was awoke to what sounded like hundreds of voices in my living room.

It sounded like a crowded mall during Christmas time, you know, how there's just, hundreds of people talking at the same time. It's just chatter, you know. This was about the time, you know, my son was just born. He was still in the crib and, you know. But when I woke up, I opened my eyes and it was almost like a whoops, you're not supposed to see this kind of thing, you know. And I kind of joking.

say it's like when you're a kid at Chucky Cheese or Showbiz or something and you see the robots underneath, you know, it's like, oh man, that's kind of ruined your image of, you know, the wonderment and amazement of things. But when I opened my eyes, this thing was floating right above me, probably about a flu or two, and it was almost face-to-face with me. And it had a white face. It was solid white, kind of like,

I feel people that it looks a lot like one of them Chinese dragons. You know how during Chinese New Year, they will have these large dragon puppets and people will be underneath of it, moving it around, you know? Yeah.

Well, they have a very exaggerated grimace on its face and shark teeth and well this thing was exactly like that it was almost like a Chinese dragon

but it was a you know it was a humanoid you know it had two arms and two legs I guess like you know

like a person would in a head positioned you know just like a person but its eyes it had pupils that went

up and down like slits kind of like a kind of like a snake and it's eyes were glowing like an orange burning orange color and it had a very large grimace on its face and it had sharp, pointy teeth and they were curved inward kind of like a like a python, you know, and it looked like a monster, you know, I know it sounds crazy and I've never heard

anybody else, you know, talk about anything that looked this way, but it was terrifying. Well, as soon as I opened my eyes and saw this thing, it got pulled out of the room, like almost like you vacuum up something really quick. It was like it just got soaked out of the room, and that's why I kind of got the impression that, you know, it was kind of a, hey, you're not supposed to say this, you know. But it was talking to me while I was asleep, man. And that's what, you know, was the most disturbing thing to me. And so I jumped up and I ran to the bedroom and I fell a couple of times.

It's kind of like I was so scared that my legs were not cooperating with my brain. And I was just in sheer terror. well, I went and jumped in the bed and I told my wife, I said, man, we got to pray. There was something terrible that just happened. So I went to sleep, and the next day I told my wife more about it. And I was scared because I thought, man, at first I thought, I don't know. I mean, you know, I just kind of talked to.

up to maybe I just hallucinated or, you know, had a lapse of mental, I don't know, I mean, I just, I thought it could have been a hallucination. But I just couldn't check it from my mind. I said, man, that was something that was, it was real. Because I remember getting up and running to the bedroom and falling and, you know, I've never had a bad dream or anything like that that caused me to react that way. Well, a couple of days went by, and I was really distraught about this, and it was just burned into my mind, and I was worried about it, scared. And I fell asleep on the couch again, and I told myself I wanted to do this, but working hard all day, just kind of fall asleep. But anyhow, I fell asleep on the couch.

What woke me up this time was a feeling. And it was the same feeling that I got whenever I would approach the spot outside my bedroom window outside when I would pray at night. And it was just the only way I can describe it is it was just pure evil and wickedness. I mean, it was almost like I felt every negative emotion. that you could feel all wrapped up in one. And I thought that I was going to get sick. So I went to lift up and I couldn't move. It was almost like being paralyzed.

But I could move my eyes. That's the weird thing. Because I remember skinning around the room with my eyes and thinking, man, you know, this is a terrifying thing. And I've heard of people having sleep paralysis and everything, but I tell people that sleep paralysis doesn't result in a broken couch, you know. But I kept feeling this heaviness pushed down on me, and it was almost like a hydraulic press pushing me down. And, you know, just when I thought I can't handle no more of this, it kept pushing more and more. and I heard the wooden slats and the, you know, the frame of the couch starting to crack and bend, you know.

And I heard several things popping in the springs and the couch. And then all of a sudden, over the back of the couch, I say this like solid black smoky-looking stuff, just pour over the couch. It almost looked like a, like a, I don't know, like a horror movie effect or something. And I thought, man, I am losing my mind. And all of a sudden,

the smoke assumed the form of a person. And it wouldn't, it wouldn't like lofty or see-through or anything. It was like velvet black. You couldn't see-through. It almost looked like a cut out of velvet, the, you know, silhouette of the whatever it would. But it was large. It was bigger than the size of a person could get.

Like, I mean, I know it sounds funny, but it's kind of like the Incredible Hulk, how, you know, he's a lot larger than a normal person. But anyhow, it pressed its forearm across my chest and pushed down, and I could feel my Adam's apple like pushing into my throat. And I was shocked because it was a solid physical, it was just like a person. I could feel the skin of it. And it pressed its face right up against mine. And I got the impression like, you know, how like when boxers are talking trash and they would get right up in each other's face, like touching faces, you know. It was like a taunt.

And I felt the worst part of this is the feeling that exuded out of this thing. And I can't explain it. but I could feel like fierce anger and hatred for me coming out of this creature. And it was to the point like it would just penetrate your inner person, you know. Like I thought I was going to be violently ill, you know, just from the feeling. And I was scared for my life. I thought, man, this thing is fixing to kill me. and as soon as I thought that

I heard it's almost like I understood that it knew that it could kill me if it if it was able you know it had the ability to do that but it was kind of being restrained

by possibly God I mean I you know I remember I thought of the story in the book of Job where you know Satan could only do to Job what God would allow to happen

to Job, but he couldn't take his life, you know. But anyhow, just as quick as it happened, it was over. And, I mean, I could feel myself spring up from the couch like I rose up, you know, because the pressure was gone. The weight was off of me. So I got up and ran to the bed, and the same scenario, man. I grabbed my wife and I said, well, we had to pray because something terrible just happened. And so I just laid there in the bed for hours.

And I kept getting up to check on my son because that was my main concern during all of this, all of these experiences that I had. I worried about my son more than anything. And that's, I mean, that's just being a parent, I guess, you know. And I thought, well, if this thing could, you know, crush me down like that. And there was nothing I could do, man. I couldn't speak. All I'd have to do was think, Lord help me.

Please, God help me. Save me from this. Because there was nothing I could do within my own strength to, you know, fight against it. So I was worried about my infant child, you know. I thought, man, this thing could just crush my child. So he slept with us for, you know, several nights.

But after this experience, I laid in the bed for... a long time, couldn't go to sleep. And I felt like, it felt like an arm going up under my back and pulling me up, like, out of the bed. So my back was arched and contorted, and it literally felt like something was trying to steal my life from me. like it was trying to pull my spirit out of my body. And I know this sounds crazy, man, but I, you know, when this happened to me, I never had any intentions of ever telling anybody about it.

But people need to know that, you know, this things are real. And later, probably about a week after all this. I mean, I just lived in constant fear that this thing was going to come back at any time because basically, I mean, it could do just about anything it wanted to. Well, this is where things really get off the reservation, and I know, you know, not too many people have several different encounters with different things. It's usually the same thing, you know. but I was outside sitting on my carport and something told me to get up

and to walk out in the middle of the driveway and to just look up. Well, I did. And when I looked up, there was a black triangle floating above my house. And it wasn't going fast and it wasn't necessarily going slow either, but there was no rocket or no propellers,

there was no propulsion, there was no windows, there were no seams, there was no lights, there was no labels or insignia. It looked like a very smooth, like the angles of it were very smooth, and it almost looked like a size, matte type finish on it. And I was shocked. Like, I was in all of this thing because I thought,

what is this? At first glance, I mean, when you see something like that, man, it's just kind of like you're blown away. And I know people are going to be like, man, why didn't you go get your camera? In my mind, I thought, this is a special moment. And if I go inside, I know as soon as I come back out, it's going to be gone, and I didn't want to miss it.

I know it sounds weird, but you never know what you will do in a situation like that until it happens to you. Well, this is what's really strange about it. Not that seeing a giant black triangle floating over your house is not strange, but... Yeah. When it passed and got about maybe... a couple blocks past my house, I blinked my eyes and it turned into ducks in a formation, like probably 10 of them. And it was a perfect triangle formation.

And it was almost kind of like, you know, hey, you weren't supposed to say that either, you know. And I can't explain that. And that's something that I have not ever shared in, any other interview or with anybody else. And there's more details about all of these encounters that, you know, I probably won't ever tell anybody because it's just very personal and just strange. She's just very strange. Well, after that, I told my wife that she was like, there's no way.

There's no way you saw that. And I never told her that it turned into ducks. Like, I blinked my eyes before I blinked, black triangle. When I blinked my eyes, docks. So I don't know if it's a cloaking thing or I don't know. I can't explain it. You know, when it comes to the unknown and mysterious things, there are no experts.

You know, there are people who claim to be experts, but when it comes down to it, nobody really knows anything other than what happens to other people or themselves. So after that happened, I started having a reoccurring dream or what I thought was a reoccurring dream. And what would happen every time, so I would be asleep in my bed, my bed used to be kind of up against the window.

and I moved it since then, but what would happen is these things would come through the wall on the side of the window, and they would peek in, and they would just stare down at me. And it was almost like I was outside of myself seeing this. It was kind of like watching a movie, but I would see these like five faces, poke their heads out right through the wall. And they would look around, and then they would come all the way through the wall. They would never touch my bed, or they were always floating, like flying through the air. And the best way I can describe them is they had larger heads, but their arms were very bony and emaciated,

like there was very little muscular to these, musculature to these beings. It almost looked like chicken cutlets with skin stretched across. It's just very, you know, like an elderly gentleman, like the way their muscle will just very emaciated and skinny. But their ribs, I don't know if you remember in school seeing, you know, video. of like Holocaust victims, how they were just, you know, starved to the point of death. Like their bellies would almost touch their spine, you know. But they, they looked just like that. But their arms were very long, and their fingers were very long.

Like when they would grab my arms, like one would grab an arm, another one would grab the other, arm, then one would grab a leg and the other one would grab another leg. And there was another one that would kind of oversee the other ones and direct them. Like it even moved its arm to like, hey, take him on, you know. And their face, it didn't have big almond eyes like, you know, like the traditional gray alien or whatever. But its eyes were teeny, like a marble. It looked like a black marble in a very wrinkly sunk-in eye socket.

And it was very wrinkled like if you've been in a bathtub for too long, your fingers get very wrinkly like a raisin. Well, its whole body looked that way, but right around its eye sockets was just terrible. It was very, they were ugly, very ugly creatures. Well, their nose kind of looked like a smeared, I didn't have a nose, really. It just looked like smeared holes stretched out like two slits, like angular slits. And its mouths were just little line, no lips. I didn't ever see teeth.

They never really opened their mouths. no ears. And it's hard to really remember a lot of details, but that face, I'll never forget. I'll never forget that face. Well, their skin was very white to the point of glowing, like it was a luminescent looking white.

And they gave off their own light. It was very strange, like a glow in the dark toy or something, you know. The strange thing was whenever they'd lift me up, they would take me straight out that window and the window never opened and like part of me

went through the window and part of me went through the wall just the angle that they took me out. And like most guys, I'm out sleeping in boxers you know, and during this time the years, freezing cold here in Alabama. I mean, it was probably

in the 20s at night. So I go from a nice warm house and bed to going right out in freezing cold. And I remember just being bitterly cold, like

shivering and shaking cold. And it would stop every time, like right there. As soon as I got out of the window, nothing else. And I don't remember I'm doing anything else to me. I don't remember going in anything. But I remember looking up and seeing the stars, like being awake.

So here's a strange thing. The very next morning after this first dream, I woke up to go to work. And, you know, my wife and I don't, you know, foul language or nothing. But, you know, my wife, she saw my back, and, you know, I didn't pay no attention to anything, but I had bruises and scratches and marks all over me.

Around my arms, like you could see the handprints of those things around my arm. And they were fingers that they would lap over, like, If you try to put your hand around your arm, your fingers would not ever touch your hand, you know. It wouldn't fit around your arm. But these things, their hands would wrap all the way around, like an almost double over they were so long. And one thing I do remember is whenever they did grab me,

it hurt real bad, man, like a real strong power, person grabbed my arm and I could feel like bruises and I felt like they were just going to cut through my arm it was almost like when you get your blood pressure taken how sometimes those automated machines will squeeze it too hard to the point of it like really hurting you you know well that's what it felt like and I looked down on my legs and they were I made a handprint that would go all the way around the big part of my leg, like right above my knee. And it really, really hurt. So my wife was like, you know, what the blank happened to you?

And I was like, what do you mean? So I looked in the mirror and I was like, God, I mean, it looked like somebody had beat the stuff out of me. and like I get not to get emotional sometimes talking about this but I was terrified

thinking about my kid I thought man said this has got to stop something's got to give well before all this stuff happened I want to go back and I want to share this because this is the most amazing

an incredible thing that happened throughout all this. And I didn't understand why this happened to me. But before any of these terrible things happened, I was on the couch one night. My wife, her daddy, had a heart attack, so she was down in Birmingham, which is the nearest big, big city to where I'm at. And he was at U.S.

be hostile. So she went down there with him and I, you know, I stayed here because I had to work the next day. And I was laid on the couch and I was listening to this guy preaching on YouTube on my phone. And then I had a feeling come over me that was like better than any feeling I've ever felt in my life. And it was pure bliss and joy and just an ecstatic feeling. And I remember I just started laughing because I thought, man, this is just incredible, you know.

You know, being a Christian, I believe that a person can feel the presence of God. And I mean, it, you know, it happens to me quite often, you know, when I'm preaching or praying for somebody or, you know, just praying to God and, you know, talking to him one-on-one, you know. But never like this. This was like an overload of Joey. And I remember I got up and started crying because I was just overwhelmed. It was too much. It was almost too much to handle. And when I was walking back through my hallway, I saw like an oval.

And it looked like a floating cloud. of water. It was the most pure, crystal clear water that I've ever seen. It was beautiful. But it was a perfect oval. And it was about the size of a person.

Well, the end, the water was like hundreds and hundreds of these little gold specs. And these specs would beamed this bright, light. It's not really, I wouldn't call it a light. It's kind of like if you go to the lake on a really bright summer day, how, you know, if the, if the sun shines on the water just right,

it'll gleam in your eye. Yeah. Well, it was so bright that it would, it would hurt your eyes to look at, you know. It's like looking at the sun reflecting off of a shiny metal, you know, just hurt your eyes to look at for too long. Well, for some reason, I just walked right through this cloud, man. I mean, I just stepped right through it. And when I did, I thought, this is, this is so good that I'm going to just die.

I thought, this is it. I thought that this, you know, that I was about to meet God, like personally, you know. And then I kind of got afraid. I prayed. I said, God, I can't handle this. You've got to make the stop. And I know probably anybody, you know, listening will be like, man, why would you say such a thing? You just have to be there. I mean, it was like an overload of Joey. I thought I was going to just die and go to heaven. And it was powerful, very powerful. but anyhow, after that encounter, which I believe was an encounter with God,

probably, I don't know, maybe six or seven months after that's when all the bad stuff started. Now, to tie it all up, I really feel like I know why all that happened to me. and you know when I think about the spot outside my house that you know the closer I got to it the the worst I felt just the evil presence outside it was almost like a demon or something just waiting for me to open the door to let it in and I really believe with all my heart that harboring hateful feelings toward the owner of that company

was just the break it was looking for. And I think about how many other people out there are, you know, afflicted by things they can't see or things they don't understand. And it's these demonic entities. And another thing that I think about is how come all three of these different creatures happen around the same period of time, you know. And I know Christians get a, they get a good chatting on the comment sections of people that kind of, you know, mock us for thinking that aliens or demons.

I mean, I'm just going to say, I don't know. I'm not going to say they are, or I'm not going to say that they're not, because I simply don't know. However, based upon the things that I've experienced all in that short span of time, I believe they're all one and the same. Another detail that I wanted to share was the one gentleman that was one of the owners of the company, the one that gave me such trouble at work. I later found out that

he had a teenage son that committed suicide and one of the co-workers told me that him and his wife came home and found their son he'd shot himself and had to

clean up everything and I thought man how terrible that is I mean that's a horror story right there, you know, for that to happen to your child. And the coworker told me that they believe that, you know, the owner whose son it was just give him such a hard time all the time that he just couldn't handle it anymore. And, you know, I thought, well, man, that guy has to live with that every day of his life, man. And I really found a new, a newfound compassion for the guy, having a baby boy myself, you know, I kind of, you know, syncopized with him.

So if I can interject a little bit, I would have some questions. And actually, we'll start with the most recent one that just popped in my head. You said that this guy's son died by killing himself. And if I heard you correct, people said that he was really hard on his son, and they feel like that's what drove the son to do that. Do you think there could have been any correlation to this guy being hard on his son, his son killing himself, if that's what happened, and to what happened to you? And what I was saying is, could there have been a demonic entity in both situations

that is kind of oppressing this guy that's always angry? And the people that he afflicts with his anger maybe are subject to abuse from this entity. I totally believe that. I'll tell you another thing that struck me as odd. Every now and then it worked, you know, the guy he would show up and just kind of walk around and it would just kind of stand over you and burn holes in your back, you know, staring at you. and every time you'd look up, he'd just be staring right at you. Well, one day, he was eating lunch and just sitting there watching his work, you know,

and he just looked real sad that day. And, you know, I just felt led to go over and ask him if he was okay. I said, well, I said, would you care if I prayed with you? And he says, I don't really care if I prayed with you. you do. I said, well, I go to a church right up the road here, and we'd love to have you. You know, I tried to kind of extend an olive branch, you know, to the guy and overcome the evil with kindness, you know. But anyhow, what he said, and I mean, he said it for a while, I thought, well, maybe he was just joking or trying to, you know,

and shut the door in my face in a way. But he was like, my wife's a witch. And I just kind of looked at him like, are you for real? You know, I didn't say that, but I just kind of looked at him and said, well, okay. And I walked off.

And right about that time, it was right about that time that I asked him that. And he said, yeah, my wife's a witch, just very matter-of-factly, is when everything kind of started. And I've always been under the impression that the thing that come in my house and tried to choke me out, and I really believe it's the same thing that torments that guy every day at his life. And it just followed me home one day.

Yeah. You know, I mean, the conversation we're about to have. engage in is, you know, speculative. We can't say for fact, but I do have very strong feelings as to what you just said. And I guess I'll say a lot of times, and this is something that obviously you're not unfamiliar with being the background you have. But I think a lot of times people that are claiming to be Christians feel that because they say they're a Christian, it negates them from ever having any kind of demonic oppression in their life. Yeah, I used to think that.

Yeah. I did too. I did too until recently. I'd say about a year ago or so, I had a very dramatic experience. I don't think I've ever shared on the show. don't think I'm prepared to share on the show yet. But it's real. It's very real.

And just because you're claiming to be a Christian, doesn't mean you're immune to these kind of things. If this guy was serious, and from what it sounds like he was, one, he's got a lot of issues. And his wife obviously has a lot of issues. And when you were talking to me about what you saw when you woke up or you heard the chatter, and essentially you said it sounded, it looked like a monster.

For some reason, and I've never heard of, I've never heard of this. So it's just something that just popped in my head. You know, for some reason, I was thinking astro projection. And I wanted to pick your brain on that a little bit as to what you think, because from what I understand with astro projection, you're not transforming your body when you do that to look like something else. But what do you think about the whole idea of astro projection and the possibility of maybe this guy's wife or even this guy maybe, because you don't know, maybe he was also dabbling the things, maybe Astro projection. maybe astro projection astro projecting themselves into your home i mean do you think you know i wouldn't i wouldn't think that that guy would care that and looks about but you know here's the thing there is no telling you know what that guy could be involved in i mean i don't know um

but the fact that he told me to my face that his wife life was a witch. They didn't necessarily say that he was. And, you know, there's another detail that I never have really told anybody else. But because you said that as for projection, I mean, I don't know a lot about that. But there was a guy who come to faith in Christ in our church, man. and he was a Satanist prior to. And he would tell me that, you know, he would do that.

He would travel around and not physically be there, but it's like his spirit would go places. And I thought, man, this guy's crazy, you know. And I used to think all this stuff was crazy, man. But if things like this happened to you, you're just about believe anything, man. I mean, all bets really are off. But the time after the encounter with the shadow demon or whatever, when I went to bed, when I laid down,

it felt like something was kicking me up and trying to take my soul from me or my spirit or my life essence or whatever, I remember I used to have a poodle and a piccanese. And when we go to sleep at night, there's a little spot in our hallway that goes to the right and our front door is there. Well, we had a little dog pen, like a little fence that you could put up inside your house. And I would keep the dogs in that at night so that they would, you know, not use the bath. room in the house. Well, whenever I felt that arm come under my back like that, I remember instantly walking down

the hallway, but not in my body. Like, it was almost like my spirit was traveling down the hallway. And I remember like having a hood or something. over, or something over the top of my head and on the side of my face and it felt like a hood, kind of like Obi-1 Kenobi's hood, you know. And I remember when I got to the spot in my hallway where the dogs were, I looked over to the right and looked at my little picket knees, and she looked right up at me, it looked right into my eyes It started, you know, like barking, not barking, but kind of growling and getting grotty, like I startled her, you know, and she didn't recognize me.

Now, that, I can't make any sense out of that, but it's something I believed happened. But it's just so strange that you said something about astral projection. It's not something that I ever knew anything about, and it's definitely not something that. I would ever attempt to do. But I believe that it's something that for some reason or another happened to me that night. When that happened that night, what were you doing again? Were you sleeping or were you awake when this whole thing happened? I was asleep when that thing come over the back of the couch.

I woke up and it was actually the feeling of. of its presence near me is what woke me up out of a dead sleep. But after that was over and I ran to the bedroom, me and my wife prayed and, you know, I laid down to try to get to sleep. I was just terrified. And that's when I felt that. And that's, you know, when I experienced that going down the hallway and seeing the dog in the spirit.

I don't know. I can't make sense out of that. But what I'm saying is when that actually happened, you know, whatever your memory is of that, you're saying you were awake when it initially started to happen? Yes. Yeah, I was not asleep when that happened. Wow.

I was awake. Yeah, I mean, because I know I've heard of people say that they've astro-projected, and it wasn't, they didn't even try to do it. kind of thing. Most of the time, I hear stories of people saying, you know, they actually were trying to do it.

Oh, I would never attempt to. Right. I tend to keep my spirit right and my body where it belongs. But what's weird, I'll tell you this, I remember my back being arched

and, like, contorted. And I felt like I was dying. Like, it was a, like if you've ever feigned or had a seizure or something, it was kind of that kind of, a feeling. And during that, during that experience is when I kind of, I don't know if I left my body or whatever, but I was walking down the hall and saw my dog face to face. And what put a stop

to that is, I guess my back being arched like that kind of bothered my wife asleep. So she kind of you know kind of ribbed me with her elbow like hey cut it out and then that's when everything like I felt like I was kind of dropped back down like whatever had me held up let me go and when I went back flat on the bed I grabbed my wife and I said help me and she said what's wrong I said something just tried to take my spirit's what I told her. And there's other things that's happened. Man, that's, I can't make sense out of, but for a long time.

Now, this happened, probably for years this has happened. We would be laying in the bed and not asleep, but just laying there getting to sleep. And this would start on me so bad. I'm the type of, I'm very jumpy at night. my house, you know, after all these, I guess I have good reason to do. Yeah, no doubt. Like, if I hear a sound, I kind of, like, my spidey sense tingles, I guess, I'd jump up and kind of look around, okay, what's going on?

But when I, when we'd be getting to sleep, it felt like something jumped up and pounced on the bed, kind of like a cat. It was about the size of a, I don't know, maybe a medium. sized dog. It felt like there's something probably about 50 pounds or better. I mean, it had weight to it, but little bitty

feet. Like I could feel the little bitty you know, we have like a tempera bed, so it's kind of hard to tell if something gets on the bed anyway, but it jumped up. It always jumps up on my side of the bed and

when it lands, it's right on my leg. like right, like its feet or legs, doesn't really touch mine, but it lands right, right on my leg, right beside me. And man, I jump up and almost fly out of the bed like a cartoon, man, it's unreal.

I would tell my wife, did you feel that? And sometimes she was like, yeah, I didn't feel something. Like, what was that? She thought I was doing something, but, it's something that jumps on our bed, man. Your poor wife. Your poor wife. You keep on rushing into the room telling her things.

You're waking her up telling things. I mean, it's no wonder she can't even get to sleep. It's unreal, man. I'm going to tell you this. I don't worry about anything anymore. I remember the day that everything comes to an end. And me and my wife, we're high school sweethearts, and we've always been best of friends. Gosh, we've been together since we were 16, and I'm 38, just now turned 38.

So we've been together a while. But I remember one day I was coming home from work, and I was very distraught. this day. Like I was driving home and just in tears and I thought, man, what's next? Or, you know, I really thought that hey, these things were going to actually

take my life one night or hurt my child, man. You know, really, I could have cared less what they would do to me, but, you know, my wife and my son are they're just kind of innocent casualties in all this.

And I, it just, I was really terrified that something would happen to them. And I remember coming home from work one day. And my wife pulled in behind me on the road that we live on and that just never happened.

We never got home at the same time. But that day, it just worked out like that. And I remember when I saw her pull and I was just like, gosh, man, I don't know what I would do if something happened to her, you know, from all this mess. And

whenever, as soon as I put my car in park, man, I felt that the presence of the Lord, man. It just hit me like a whitening bolt. I felt, I felt like empowered to handle this, you know. For the first time during any of these encounters, I felt like I don't like to say, you know, got my groove back or whatever because. this was a groove like I never had, you know what I mean? It was like God granted me the authority to toss this out of my house for good. And, I mean, it felt like I got stripped by lightning.

And, I mean, I almost felt like I could just punch a train at top speed and just knock it dead to a grinding halt. and I remember getting out of the car, man, and I walked in and my mom was here. She used to come to the house and watch her son whenever we were at work. And I remember walking through the door and just laying it down then. I just spoke to anything and everything in my house that was evil and not of God. And I rebuked it in the name of Jesus. and no one did my home and we prayed.

And, I mean, I was like exhausted after all this because, you know, it was like laying it down on a level that has never happened to me, you know. And after my mom lived, it was just me and my wife and my little boy, I sat down on the couch and it felt like I had my eyes. closed and was just finally at peace, you know, from all of this. And it literally felt like two fingers touched me right on my forehead. And it felt like fire go all the way from those two fingers to like the inside of my heart, like in the very core fabric of my person, you know. And it was probably the most amazing thing that's ever happened to me.

And I've never had any problem since. Wow. That's really cool to hear. You know, I wanted to bring up a point to you about something you said earlier. It's not necessarily a point, but just, I don't know, a story to relate to you. You said you felt like your spirit was being pulled out of your body. It's very ironic that you shared that with me tonight because just last night I did another interview where the guy told me that he was being pulled off his bed, but he said it was more like they were pulling his soul or his spirit off the bed. And he said he physically was being pulled off the bed.

but it was like they were pulling something from within him out of his body in the process. You know, being, you know, one-third physical, one-third spiritual and one-third soul, he felt like there was something inside of him that was being pulled out of his body in the process. Is that how you would describe it? Absolutely. Like I felt like I felt like I felt like I was hanging on for, dear life by just fighting to keep I mean I can't explain it I don't I don't understand it when I believe that we are physical people I believe that we are

spiritual beings living in a physical body you know but I really do believe that whatever was behind all this was trying to take my spirit man out of of me. And I really, I mean, it's, I mean, it's no surprise. I mean, I felt like I was dying. It was a very scary feeling. I used to have fainting spells when I was a kid. It was a, what they call a vasal vagal response to seeing blood or gross stuff, you know.

And I still get a little queasy seeing blood and guts and things like that, you know. But I always remember as a kid being so scared whenever I would faint because, I mean, I don't know what it's like to die, but I would imagine it feels close to that. That's exactly what I felt like that night. And then there's just no coincidence that I was traveling down the hallway during all this. I mean, it's just bizarre. There's a lot of, I mean, I believe there's a lot to be learned from all of these experiences that have happened to me. And I believe they're all linked somehow or another. I can't explain them all, and I can't, I'm no expert at all.

All I can do is just tell you what happened, you know. I don't really have the know-how to write a book, and I really don't care. to have that level of exposure, you know, to, you know, I don't know how many people these, you know, YouTube shows reach, you know. But I thought to myself when I kind of started contacting people to share these experiences, I thought, man, if it helps one person, then it's worth the price of admission for me to know that, man, good will always try on evil. And, you know, I believe that God created all things

and that all things are subject to him. And that's proven true in my life. And I'm no different than anybody else. So I know he's the same God to everybody else as he is to me. And there's people out there suffering in silence and people that are scared to talk to their pastor. It's like we were talking prior to, you know, this interview that, and there's people in

churches all the time. They think that they're impervious to spiritual attack. And, you know, I used to be that guy. I used to think, well, I mean, you know, there's demons and devils out there. But they're out there, you know, in the ethereal or ethereal world or whatever. and they just kind of make people feel bad behind the scenes and kind of mess with your mind here or there. I never had any idea that they were like physical beings that could really physically touch you and cause you physical problems. That was a new one.

And, you know, in my book of life, I didn't know. I never dreamed that it's as real as it really is. Yeah, it's very real. And I don't think many people within the evangelical community quite grasp how real this stuff is. You know, I see it just in my own circles. I mean, nothing in particular, but just, you know, it's like, oh, Tony has that show. and that's nice but people I don't think they quite grasp the reality of what I'm dealing with

when I'm talking to all these different people and their experiences it's extremely real and when it comes to the whole idea of witches the whole idea of that and the idea that somebody could place a curse on somebody

else. That's so like foreign and esoteric to, it's so out there that people sometimes they just can't grasp the concept that that's real. Like literally real. People could actually do that to another person.

It's just I mean, I understand it's hard to grasp and wrap your mind around. But it doesn't matter. just because you can't wrap your mind around, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't try because it's a real issue, you know. And like you said earlier about the guy, I think you said he was a Satanist or something that, you know,

started coming to your church. Yeah. Let me ask you about that real quick. How did that whole thing work out? Was he somebody who stuck around for a while or was he? No, as a matter of fact, he did. and you know I don't know really what to come of the guy, but he came to church maybe about maybe a month or two,

and he got married, man. During a Wednesday night service, you just kind of have to know how our church is. It's a very casual, laid-back church, man. It's just like family to me, man. I love my church. I love my church family, man. But the guy, man, he seemed very genuine. And, you know, he got baptized and started him and his wife with counsel with my pastor,

who is amazing, man. My pastor is like a dad to me, man. And, you know, that he'd canceled with them. And he decided that, you know, he and his wife wanted to get married. and he said, well, we want to do it tonight here at church on Wednesday night. So it's kind of an unexpected thing, but it's awesome, man. I mean, I thought, this is fantastic, you know. And everybody kind of cheered them on, you know, they thought, this is great, you know.

And that's the way it ought to be, man. When people, you know, were getting their lives together and, I mean, to me, that's a cause for celebration, you know, in my book, you know. Sure. But the guy, just as mysteriously as he popped up one weeknight and stayed for a month or two, he disappeared. And nobody ever heard anything else out of him or his wife. Nobody knows. He just kind of dropped off. I like to think maybe he moved out of state and started going to another church maybe, you know.

There's just no way to know. Do you know if his wife had a similar background to him? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they were steeped in it, man. I mean, we had a men's fellowship. We have one every month. It was usually like the first Saturday of every month where the guys just get together and we have breakfast and talk about guy stuff.

And, you know, I mean, this guy just blew our minds, man, one Saturday and just was telling us about this foreign world of Satanism, how he got into it and things that he did and things that they would do and what they believed. And he was like, man, I'm glad to be away from it because it's, you know, it was killing me, you know. Yeah. I don't know really what he meant by that, but. Well, I mean, it's something like, I mean, it's, it's, it's,

It's hard, man. Like, that stuff's hard. And, you know, it's hard to get out of. And even when you get out of it, like, it still takes a toll on you. I can totally imagine what he was going through. You know, people that are involved in the occult and things like that, I think I've said it on a previous show. Or maybe I've said it in an interview before that hasn't aired yet.

I don't know. But, you know, people within the occult, they, they, they, do purposefully infiltrate churches with the mission to get the church to break up.

That's what he said. He told us that very thing. It's one of their main thrusts is to do those kind of things. It's because, you know,

it's your opponent, you know. And... That's right. It's the enemy. Yeah, exactly. It's not a game. This isn't a game. You know,

and like... Yeah. I don't want to get too preachy But no, I mean, what I was going to say was, to be honest with you, when it comes to that particular person situation, my first reaction was when you first brought him up, I was like, okay, I got to learn more about this guy. But the fact that he had come forward and told you guys his past

tells me that he probably was sincere in his motives. You would just have to see and you would just have to have been around the guy, man. I'm sure. If he was trying to pull the wool over my eyes, then it totally worked, man, because, I mean, you know, like he would just cry about, you know, when I, you know, hey, I don't, I don't throw shade on anybody for crying, man, it's good for you to get a good cry out, you know. Sometimes I do for no reason, just, you know, because I'm happy, you know. And, but man, this guy, when he would talk, it just would have tears streaming down his face, man. Yeah.

It was just amazing. Like, I was in all of this, I thought. Right. Man, this guy went from the polar opposite end of the spectrum to the other end, you know? Yeah, and that's the thing. I mean, they're not going to tell you. what they're doing. They're not going to just tell you what their plan is. And the fact that he came forward and talked about it openly, it tells me that he was probably using, telling you guys,

it was probably a way of, um, of, uh, counseling. Yeah, exactly. Healing and, and getting past what, what his history was. Uh, because there's, I've, I've heard, um, different people talk about their past within the occult and satanic churches and what they were involved in and how they got out of it and it's rough man it's rough like there's a lot there's a lot of uh mental wear and tear that goes on while you're involved and because you literally have to become brainwashed uh to the point where what you do doesn't hurt you at all yeah you get a missed uh And, you know, the Bible calls that, you know, having your conscience feared like with a hot iron, you know, you can dull your conscience to the point of, like you said, not feeling bad for what you ought to feel bad about. Exactly.

You know, I heard this one guy talking about how he was, for lack of better words, because I don't know the proper terminology. Let's just say he was a wizard. He was like some kind of high priest within the satanic church where pretty much his job was to go into places and cast spells on certain situations that needed his attention because he was the go-to guy for these certain things. And he was really talking a lot about different things that they were involved in. And not his particular coven, but other covenes. that are out there. I mean, I'm talking like some, some dark stuff, man. Like having babies in secret just for sacrifices and things like that.

Like I haven't talked about that kind of stuff on this show because I don't know how deep I can go with my audience yet and actually share some things that I've come across and that I know or that has been told to me. But I will say that. that I have been, I've heard that. And so, like, if you're involved in a coven that's doing that kind of stuff, imagine the kind of psychological toll it takes on you, you know?

It's got to be something. It's got to be liberating when you get out of it. And it has to be, like, tearful. No wonder why the guy cried, you know? Yeah, like, all the time. Just blew me away, man. there's a guy I want to say his name is

Ted Gunderson he's a like some retired CIA or FBI operative man check him out if you want to go down that rabbit

hole talking about how people have children just for the purpose of you know ritualizing them and doctrine and this guy I think he's He's dead now.

He was an elderly gentleman back when he'd come out and become a whistleblower, you know. But I think his name's Ted Gunderson, but he talks about that very thing, man. And there's things that goes on in this world, man, behind the scenes and kind of in the green room of life that people probably wouldn't want to know about. Even if you could prove it 100%, I mean, people wouldn't want to know. you know yeah absolutely and yeah it is ted ted gunderson um he was in the fbi i and basically labeled a whistleblower coming out and you know talking about uh child exploitation for nice terms and uh you know satanism and things like that um there's actually rumors of him uh being killed by illuminati uh obviously that's speculation you know but right um that's you know

rumor at least. And of course, I mean, really, whenever a whistleblower dies, there's going to be rumors like that surrounding their death. But, yeah, so definitely somebody that's interesting to at least hear speak. And I do believe that he is dead as well, yeah. I think he died probably about five or six years ago. But man, you know, just a ministry aspect of things that I've seen in my life. man, we could probably do a whole series on things that I have seen. You know, I've only ever met a couple people that I thought were

truly, you know, demon-possessed. And, you know, I mean, that's a whole different can of worms of things to talk about. But, you know, there's things I've seen that's fully convinced. me and, you know, reinforced my own belief. That there, I mean, there really is a good and evil aspect to life in general and, you know, things that, like demonic position, is a real thing I really believe can happen, man.

And if you ever have met somebody that you thought was, you know, bona fide possessed, by a demon. Man, it's a scary thing. It's a scary thing. Yeah. Yeah, I actually have seen a teenage girl that, you know, supposedly was possessed by a demon. I didn't have any direct contact with her physically, I should say. I was right there when it was going on.

But there was a girl, and she started howling. and screaming this god-awful sound and um you know i anybody can scream and make some awful sounds screaming and so i always i always approached things like that you know speculative but uh yeah there was probably now i was i think i was probably about 18 or 19 years old when i saw this since been a while but there had to be at least five six people uh trying to physically hold this girl down and she was it was like

it only in my in my mind's eye what I remember it almost looks like you know how like the doggy pile where everybody's just like piled on top of each other well I mean obviously they weren't laying on top of the girl doggy piling on top of her but in my mind

that's what it looks like because all I remember is seeing this the group of people and it was it was a lot of men they it was like it was like a doggy pile and they went up and then they went down they went up and they went down because this girl's physically lifting these people up and yeah and uh that i mean in my mind i'm like 95 percent sure she probably was demon possessed i didn't get involved i didn't walk over i didn't i mean but i was literally like five feet away but i was like i'm not i'm not getting

involved in that you know it's strange man because there you know there's very little in the bible that really kind of reveals, you know, that tells you, hey, this is what demon-possessed people do, and this is how they act, you know. But there's a story in the Bible where Jesus encountered a demon-possessed person in the Gatorines region, you know, where the demons spoke and said, you know, so for us to go into the swine, and they kind of did and drove, you know, ran off the cliff, you know.

I always say that's the first instance of devil damn, you know. But what's really startling is, you know, and I can't quote verbatim, but the Bible says that the man who was possessed was, you know, super strong so that no man could bind him and that they shackled him up and chained him, you know, in a remote region of the area there. And what's funny is a lot of the people, you know, that are supposedly possessed today, you know, they exhibit superhuman strength.

And there's no way that those people could, you know, really know those details unless they, you know, were very active in their Sunday school class as a kid. much less be able to physically fit the bill, you know, like you talked about the girl who was super strong and able to, you know, withstand several people. You know, it just kind of lends credence to that story as, you know, being a truthful account. Yeah, and I've heard several of those kind of accounts. I mean, my entire life, I've been somebody who just, openly talks to people about this kind of stuff.

And so I've heard stories from, you know, professors at college and things like that that just kind of like in my mind, like I know it happens. I know it happens. I mean, for me, there's no doubt it happens. I've seen it happen. I've heard people tell me stories, let alone I've read it in the Bible. You know, the stories you were talking about, I mean, that's a story that I've probably read a million times, you know. Right. And there's a lot of stuff that goes into that account.

So, I mean, yeah, it definitely happens. And I don't even know how we got on this topic because, I mean, they talk about a rabbit hole, you know, because it has nothing to do with your encounter. But it's good fodder. So, you know, before we get out of here, I wanted to ask you one more question. And, you know, feel free to answer it at any length that you'd like. but the dream that you were talking about, you know, that basically what I want to say is, do you think it was a dream, or do you think that's something that actually was happening to you?

You described it as a recurring dream, but what you described seemed very real. And it sounds exactly, I mean, when it was happening, you know, the first time it happened, I thought, you know, until I woke up and stood in front of the mirror and was looking at all these marks on my body. And there was just no way that I could physically do this to myself, not in the span of seven or eight hours of sleep, nor would I even want to do this to myself. And there was a little symbol on my lower right back. and it was very precise. It was like a row of red dots, perfect little red dots in a line.

There was five of them, and the next little line was four, and the next line was three, then two, then one. And it was a perfect upside-down triangle on my back. And I tried to chalk it up to, well, maybe I leaned against something, But there was just nothing that I could have bumped into that would do that to me. And it was perfect. It looked purposeful, almost like a tattoo, you know. And then the oversized handprints that wrapped around my arms and legs.

And, you know, my wife could vouch for every bit of this. And people ask me all the time, you know, the very few people, you know, the very few people, people that do know, they say, well, why didn't you take any pictures of yourself? And I said, man, I never had any intention whatsoever to ever tell anybody about this. So that's, you know, I guess hindsight, you know, I wish I would have taken some pictures just to kind of show people, you know, hey, this is what happened. That's the only thing that keeps me from believing that it was just a dream and I've tried to force myself I've tried to force myself into thinking or going further like what happened next I really try to jog my mind and I you know I sit and think and think and think

you know what happened next and it just never goes anywhere except for a couple of times and and this really is I will say that this here is I don't I can't say if this is real you know this part what I'm about to tell you I can't tell you if this is real or just what I my imagination of what happened next or but usually when I'm cutting grass I'm on my riding mower and I think about things like you know I just ponder about these things. You know, a couple times I have thought that, you know, I just say a little snippet here or there of, you know, being in a dark room that you can't say the edges of, but you know that you're in a confined space. You just feel that you're in a confined space.

And you can't see anybody there, but you know that there are people. around you looking at you and that you can't move and that there was a bright light overhead beaming down on me so that I couldn't see what was outside the scope of that light. Now, I don't know. I think that's just it could just be me thinking, well, this might be what it was like or it could have been my mind actually remembering what did happen next, but, you know, I just, I don't know. I mean, that part of the story is where I said, you know, it left the reservation here for me when it got into what could possible be considered aliens. And that's something that the Christian church today definitely don't want to get into.

But, a can of worms, we really avoid opening. But they should. I mean, they really should. Yeah, it really should because, um, You know, I believe that if there's ever a day where aliens or whether they be aliens or demons or demons masquerading as aliens when they show up on the White House, you know, as people say, I mean, it's going to blindside a lot of people and it's probably going to shipwreck a lot of people's faith because, you know, they don't touch it. They don't think about it. They don't even consider the fact that it could be real. and to me in my mind I think what better way for Satan and demons

to possibly shipwreck a whole lot of people's faith at the same time is to come along and I'm going to tell you man I've heard too many stories and testimonies on YouTube there was a guy who was a Mufon director who was a big time guy in the Mewfield

you find and um you know he started putting two and two together saying that you know hey there's these people who are claiming that they put alien abduction to a dead stop because they mention the name of jesus well they didn't sit well with me fine and they kind of ousted this guy but he he still goes out and he shares and i wish i could remember the guy's name but you probably won't have to search very long to to to find it But man, it's very interesting. And to me, I think there's something to be said about that, especially when people share testimonies that these aliens that come from supposedly,

you know, millions of light years away just to tell people that, hey, you know, this Jesus guy was just an ascended master. And, you know, we really created you. I mean, why would they, you know, to me, there's something kind of sketchy about that. Yeah. No, I absolutely agree. I mean, there's mystery surrounding that whole topic that I think, at the very least, people are organizations. I don't care if it's a Christian church or whatever.

We're talking Christian churches because we're both Christians. but I'm saying at the very least, whatever religious organization you're part of, at the very least, they should give it attention just because of the fact that the odds of somebody in your congregation that have experienced a UFO or an alien abduction, it's very likely that somebody within your congregation, especially if you're a bigger church of a couple hundred people, have experienced something like that. and they need to know what to do about this, you know? So, I mean, I absolutely think it's something needs to talk about. And I just recently had learned that actually the Catholic Church actually does a pretty good job with talking about these kinds of things. They don't shy away from the idea of supernatural and all those kind of stuff. So, you know, say what you want about, you know, what you think about the Catholic Church and things like that. They do do do some things right.

If you don't agree with everything, that's, you know, fine. But, you know. You know, they have probably one of the largest, most expensive, most advanced telescope in the world. I forget where it's at is somewhere like in the mountainous region, I think maybe Colorado. auto, it's owned by the Catholic Church, man. You ever wonder, you know, when you think back in the dark ages, man, they used to, you know, excommunicate scientists for even considering looking at the stars and studying things. And now, you know, they have one of the largest, most advanced telescopes in the world. It kind of makes you wonder, you know, why would they have a telescope, you know?

I mean, you know, maybe they're looking for you, though. No, I absolutely agree. I mean, I know the Pope has, this, this Pope that, that's, that's Pope right now has come out and said that he would baptize aliens if they were there to baptize. And that's not actually, that's actually not a foreign concept. That's something that actually has been taught in the Catholic Church for a long time. Or something of that nature.

you know, I'm not Catholic, so I can't really speak definitively, but that's what I was pretty much told. And, you know... Makes you wonder. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So, I mean, who knows? But, Stephen, I really appreciate you coming on and talking with us tonight and just

kind of sharing your experiences and just sharing your thoughts on the matters at hand. Before we get out of here, do you have any parting words to share with people? Oh, man. I thought I'd probably taken up them too much of their time already but if there's anything to be gleaned from this is just know

man it God's ultimate power and there's nothing stronger than him you know if you're going through some kind of demonic oppression or you know if you feel defeated or beat down then list your eyes up to him because he's the

problem solver. They can fix it. Right on, man. Well, Stephen, thanks so much for talking tonight, and I really appreciate it. If you have any other experiences, you know how to get a hold of me, man. I definitely want to hear about it.

So I've got several more, nothing to that magnitude, you know, but I've had some strange encounters, you know. Well, maybe we'll have to have you back on for another sequel episode of some other other things that have happened.

It's being honored. Thanks for having me. Awesome, man. Well, I'll talk to you soon, okay? Yes, sir. All right. Bye-bye. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. If you want to get on the show and share an encounter with me, I don't care what kind of encounter it is. It could be a UFO, alien, ghost, Bigfoot, Hatman, Stickman. I don't care what kind of man it is. You can go to the website, the Confessionalspodcast.com, hit the connection section, and you can reach me that way as well. You can also get a hold of me on Facebook, Instagram,

and Twitter. My Instagram and Twitter handles are the same, which is Tony underscore Merkel. That's Tony underscore Merkel. Until next week, friends, take care.