The Confessionals - RELOADED | 270: The Patients Are Possessed

Episode Date: August 22, 2022

In Episode 270: The Patients Are Possessed, we talk to our guest Will, a clinical supervisor at a treatment facility. Will shares some of the experiences he has had with his patients that range from possession to shared visual experiences of the paranormal. He also talks with us about his bigfoot experience, UFOs, and the book he wrote, "Deconstructing A Paradigm: A Treatise For The Unbelievable."Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinSPONSORSGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5CONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaITikTok: @theconfessionalsDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkel

Merkel? Media. I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine? Out of a Dolion? Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves.

Time travel is possible. Welcome to Reloaded Monday, everybody. Have you ever wondered? If patients are possessed or do they really have mental issues, well, guess what? This is Reloaded Monday. We're going back in time to episode 270 where we talked to Will and we talked about these very topics and he shares his Bigfoot experience UFO talk. And we talked about his book as well, deconstructing a paradigm.

Let's get to Will on this reloaded Monday right now. Okay, I'll reload it. This was all circulating around the base that a job. had to kill but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, boning fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up this giant.

Well, the giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. and spears, Dan, holds them up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. I feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two small gray entities. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed.

I was bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Yep. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. here. If you've had an encounter or story like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email.

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He talks about that. He talks about his possible Bigfoot experience, UFOs. We get into a lot of different stuff. So let's get to Will right now. All right. Today we got Will on the show. Will, how you doing, man? great how about yourself i'm doing good man so uh i find you an interesting guy because uh of your

background and uh we'll get into some of the other things today where you actually wrote a book about some things that i just find very fascinating and my wife is reading your book right now and she's loving it uh before we get into anything though let me to do this uh what's the name of your book and where can people get your book it's called deconstructing a paradigm and it's available on Amazon. Okay, so deconstructing a paradigm, it's available on Amazon. Give the audience like a synopsis of what the book entails. Well, I guess what I was going for is really, it does have a subheading also. I probably should have thrown that in there. A treatise for the unbelievable. So deconstructing a paradigm, a treatise for the unbelievable, really, that's what it is. It is. It's a treatise for the unbelievable. It

is I came to a point where I started getting into some weird things. I don't even remember how it started, whether that was with stumbling on to L.A. Marzuli's work or the first dogman encounter episode that I heard. I don't know where it came from. And I always had a belief in supernatural things. But I suppose my interest started to really accelerate within the last two. or three years. And so, as I began to get into that sort of thing, I thought, I mean, this is what I believe is reality, a whole different faction of reality that most people don't even

give any credence to. So I guess what I wanted to do is almost come at it from an apologetics. It covers a wide range of topics. You know, it isn't, if not specific to anything like UFOs or cryptids or conspiracies, but rather covers kind of a, that broader range. And I kind of wanted to get into also, you know, why don't people believe in this sort of thing? or what happens with a person in their belief system to just kind of shut when really there's a ton of some of the evidence that I came across, pick out some of the skeptical counter arguments, and debunk some of those to the best of my ability, and that's kind of what it is.

Well, I think it's an awesome book. Lindsay and I were talking about it this morning, and it was actually the topic of conversation first thing in the morning. We were downstairs. The kid was still waking up and stuff, and she's telling me about your book. And I just found it very fascinating. And I strongly encourage people to check it out, not only because of the content that I find interesting, but I told you this, Will, Lindsay reads a lot. And before my son was born, she was reading well over 100 books a year. She used to write. She's very well informed with what good writing is and what keeps people's attention. And when my wife gives a raving review, I,

take it as scripture. It's like, okay, well, this is a good book then. And she did the same thing with Timothy Renner. We've had him on the show several times in his books. Like, she said about Timothy, like, for somebody who wasn't trained to be a writer or anything like that, you would never know it. Like, his books are just really well written. And she said the same thing about yours. So I highly recommend people checking that out and stuff for themselves. But Will, you're a clinical supervisor at a treatment facility. And there has been some paranormal activity occurring there. And you are going to share some of these stories today,

and including, I guess, a very rare encounter that somebody else had that told you, but they're not really willing to talk about it, but they told you it's okay if you talk about it. So let's get to it, man. What are some of the things going on in the treatment facility? I guess I'll just start out by saying it's a facility for the chemical, dependent and the mentally ill. So it's a dual diagnosis facility.

The clients that come in, they don't, it's primarily chemical dependency. So our clients all struggle with chemical dependency and most of them also have a co-occurring disorder of some kind of mental illness. That said, there's an obvious distinction between some, somebody who struggles with an organic brain disorder and somebody who is seeing something that is largely not thought to exist. So when, I always say, I have to maintain anonymity for any of the clients, so I'll change all their names. But it seemed to, well, actually, before even any of that started, some of the staff had noted that there were, was, and I think they said it was always specifically around midnight, they'd see on the

security cameras outside a shadowy figure standing on the picnic table. There's a little courtyard area, which I never saw myself because I don't work that late. And I mean, as interested, as I am in the subject matter, you'd think that I'd make the trip out there to have a look. But I guess such is my laziness that I've never got around to it. But, um, So that, and I don't know if that's still going on. I should, I could probably follow up on that. I don't know that it is, though. So that was the first thing.

I kind of piqued my interest. There's nothing going on now to the best of my knowledge, but there was a period there for, you know, I'd say about a week or so, where one of the clients who is not diagnosed with any kind of a mental illness that would result in, audio or visual hallucinations of any kind. I'm trying to think. I think she may have had a diagnosis of anxiety at the most,

but I don't think anything beyond that was facilitating a group. And in that group, she said, well, I've been waking up to the sound of like a radio playing every morning for the past couple days. and, you know, thought that was odd. Followed up with some of the staff working on the unit, and there's no radios playing, especially not that early. It's not a giant facility, so they would know if...

So this client said it was coming from outside of the room, and staff working the floor would certainly be aware if there was anything like that. And they said, no, there's no radio. If there's any noise disturbance, we'd get it on the shift report, and then we'd have to speak with the, and try to get them to be more respectful with the volume of their radio. However, that didn't seem to be the case. So the consensus seemed to be at that time that it's probably an audio hallucination from, I don't know what they thought.

Her mental health diagnosis didn't seem to indicate that the... that would be a likelihood in any way. But, you know, what do you do if somebody's hearing something that's not that nobody else is hearing? I suppose you conclude that it's a hallucination. So that I think was kind of it for the moment. And sometime later, maybe a couple of days later, she continued to report the same thing. And the other clients began to report it as well. They said, well, yeah, I hear it too.

And I don't know if it was she or another individual who reported seeing a kind of like a black mist or smoke in the facility in some of the rooms, which is interesting. I've heard that before from a schizophrenic client, and he had a very acute awareness of his schizophrenia. So he wasn't terribly delusional. He's just like, yeah, I have schizophrenia. I see things. And books now by a guy named Albert Rosales. It's a series of books called Humanoid Encounters. And I don't know if I'm supposed to plug other books.

But it's really quite a comprehensive collection of people throughout the, it starts 1 AD. I think the first one is a report of Pliny the Elder who reported seeing a centaur, frozen, not frozen, but preserved and solidified honey. It goes on to describe it and everything. It's like, wow, this is, so that got my attention. So I'm working on that series of books. And in a lot of encounters, I'm noticing a lot of these reports until eyewitnesses smoke or mist or fog, however they describe it.

And ultimately, it ends up forming into a figure, whether that be humanoid or some kind of monster or something. A lot of strange reports. So that's the thing, I guess, in the paranormal world for whatever reason. So as far as the client's experiences go, I don't think that ever any of the smoke or the foggy substance, whatever it was, ever came to fruition, or ever, you know, materialized in any kind of a tangible, discernible form. But it was curious that multiple clients,

began to report similar thing. So that went to the treatment team. And we staffed these things. The national team will sit down and will. So that was communicated during the report. The, I guess not everybody offered their input. And anybody that was perhaps thinking that, well, maybe something otherworldly is happening here probably would not jump at the opportunity to say so, myself included. So I didn't. But It seemed to be the case that most people, including mental health professional, and we have a team of counseling staff and mental health staff and social worker and so and so forth. And among them, it seemed to be the case that they were thinking that this is a, like a massive stereotype thing, reporting this, during this radio and having this weird experience. So now other people are having the same experiences because they're getting themselves all worked up.

You know, to me, that just explanation doesn't hold any water. I mean, it would be similar to if you had said, you know, I went fishing the other day and I caught a trout. And I started seeing trout jumping from beyond the couch or, you know, wherever I am. So just because somebody says they had an experience, it doesn't incite. other people to hallucinate the same experience. Right. So I just don't, I don't find the idea of mass hallucination valid, since hallucination is supposed to be a subjective experience that originates within the individual's mind.

You can't have two people hallucinating the same thing. If more than one person describes seeing a thing that is not supposed to exist, then they really saw that thing. There's no, there's no statistical probability that two people would fabricate the same exact hallucination down to the, down to the minute details. So oftentimes, I think when people are saying, they're relegating an experience to the realm of mass, meaning is mass hallucination, and that's simply a fairy tale. Mass hallucination isn't the thing. It doesn't happen. But nonetheless, you know, I guess we're almost forcing the position where they couldn't conclude.

It could possibly be anything else. So the clients must be getting themselves worked up. And I think it came to a head at one point when this individual, still hearing the radio, can't recall if I heard this directly from her in another group, or if it's something that came through in one of our clinical staffings. So she began to wake up and not only was hearing the radio, but then she would see a red light coming from the hallway, kind of shining under her door,

and it appeared as though the floor was wet, which is strange. So whatever's happening, this hallucination, if that's what it was, is becoming a little more complex. and the last I heard of it is when, so now there's this other client and I'll call her Amy. So Amy was lying in bed in the morning and she felt her bed compress around her as if there was an individual standing on her bed with one foot on either side of her. So her bed began to sink in. And she was quiet about it. She really didn't say much.

So she didn't want to talk about it. I didn't press her, but I know that much. I don't know if she actually saw anything, but it was enough to make her scream. And Sally wakes up, and she's got the red light thing under her door going on, and she looks to where her closet is, and there's a figure hanging in her closet, which she sees in enough detail to note that it was a Native American. It didn't really go into detail with the description. of the attire or anything like that.

So after that, I think it seems to have slowed down. I don't know. I guess my impression is that we did have a client there also, who I enjoyed speaking with quite a bit. She was into the new age kind of stuff. And when I met with her, I was like, you know that I'd be careful with that. I think that can open doors that we don't know necessarily how to shut. And she was, you know, you could have a conversation with her.

She didn't shut it down or anything like that or take personal offense to it. But she had said that strange phenomenon seemed to follow her. One time, and this was on a meth bender, she lost control of her body. And she said it happened for about three days. she was not the type that was really given to emotion too much, but she did begin to cry when she was relaying this story to me. And again, she didn't really go into detail, but she was not in control of her own body for a good three days or so.

And, you know, I said, well, you know, that sounds like possession to me. And she said, yeah. So it's something that had an impact on her and freaked her out quite a bit. Separation. I mean, if I'm praying for clients and I'm trying to share with them my own beliefs, I can't imagine that would go unnoticed for too long. I'd probably get yelled at for it. So I don't make a habit of praying for my clients, but I did with this individual.

And, I mean, there's no demons didn't fly out of her mouth or anything like that. It was just a prayer. And she said, thank you. And that was that. But I wonder if, I can't narrow it down to the exact day she left at this phenomenon, started to decrease or go away entirely. But I can at least ballpark it to about that time frame. And we have clients coming and leaving.

So it wasn't necessarily her. But to the best of my, my best guess is that she may have unwittingly kind of had an influence. But again, I can't be certain. I know that with there's there is something with that I've noticed that stands out aside from other drugs. People on meth often see shadow figures and you don't hear it with heroin. You don't hear it with hallucinogens even. It's with meth. Now it isn't directly related to the meth high,

but more the fact that meth is such a potent stimulant that it can keep you up for days. So these people that are just en masse and staying off for days at a time who begin to see shadow figures. And, you know, I'd say it's a hallucination induced by staying up for such a long period of time. But if your brain is just wildly hallucinating from sleep deprivation, you'd think that you'd have a more diverse array of hallucinations rather than just everybody's seeing shadow people. So there's something about the drug itself. And your audience is probably already familiar with the term Pharmacia and where our current, essentially, the word for drugs is derived from. It's synonymous with sorcery. So there's kind of a, there's that connection between drugs in the spirit realm, especially when you start looking at something like ayahuasca and people's experience when they go in these,

these DMT trips. So the connection is definitely there. It's an interesting thing that I don't have anywhere near figured out, but interesting enough to note. That pretty much sums up the experience at the... All right. Well, you know, it's interesting because I wasn't sure where you would go with certain things and stuff, but I find it interesting that with what you just said and stuff,

you know, it makes you wonder what drugs are capable of. doing? Do they open up a line of sight that we don't typically have access to, maybe through the pineal gland, the third eye? You know, that's the DMT tripping stuff. Like, that's what that does. I mean, it like, it gives you access to the third eye, the pineal gland. It kind of awakens it. And you see things in another realm. And in that you talk about people having mass hallucinations. I often question, why is it that people who do DMT, when they come out of the experience, they all say they saw the same thing. They all say they saw the same thing. Like, if I'm tripping, it's just like, I took a drug and I'm tripping on crazy things that I'm thinking of. If it's my mind producing these images,

then you would think everybody's minds would be producing different images as to maybe their worst fears or their most fantastic delights they could imagine. But surely, you know, not everybody would be tripping and their mind producing the same imagery. But that's what this is doing. And so I truly believe that drugs do have a capability to opening up our minds and our, for lack of better terms, pineal gland, third eye into other realms, other dimensions that maybe we were not, we're not supposed to necessarily have access to, but we do. Or maybe we did it one time. We've lost the ability. I don't know. But I find it really fascinating. And, You know, I'm assuming that's kind of like, do you think it's like a third eye situation?

Is that what you're thinking too? Well, I think it must be due with the individual's perception. It doesn't open a door such that everybody around a drug addict is also seeing these shadow people. It's only the individual seeing it. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what thinning the veil really means if it's some kind of an awakening of the pineal Glenn that that does it.

I'm not sure. But, you know, those are my thoughts exactly. You know, everybody coming back from DMT trip is saying, well, I saw these, what maybe Terrence McKenna or this may describe as a machine elf or a cosmic jester. And they all have kind of that elven gestory sort of, with some variation. but I heard one guy's account on YouTube. He was just kind of beginning, getting into Christianity, but had one foot in, one foot out,

so he's still doing his DMT trip, and he goes on a DMT trip and decides to mention Jesus. And the report he came back with is, they really don't like it when you do that. They became very hostile and not, fan. So, you know, I don't, I know that some people interpret. The, the TV, apparently. Wow. Wow. I never heard that before, but that's really interesting, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, pretty telling. I think some people have these experiences and

think that, well, these are, they're benevolent beings and they wanted to share with me all the secrets of the universe. Well, I mean, when you have such a response of, vitriol to, to, uh, was considered by many to be a only name. Um, I, in my opinion, it's fairly safe to conclude that maybe they're not so benevolent after all. Yeah. I, I hear you on that. And, you know, he's sitting here and hearing you talk about that, uh, reminded me that I actually had, um, a customer that I was talking to and I told him what I do. And he was fascinated by it. then he's like, have you ever listened to Joe Rogan? And it's like, all time, man, of course. Like Joe Rogan's somebody, I don't think anybody that listens to podcast hasn't stumbled across

his show. And he asked me what I thought about DMT. And I said, I don't know. I said, I've never done it. I'm not planning on it. But from what I hear other people's experiences, it's, it's pretty fascinating to hear people will talk about it. And he said, I'm going to, I'm going to try DMT soon. I want to see what everybody's talking about. And I was like, well, I said, if you do that, let me know how it goes, man. Well, he did. He actually wound up buying a frog that produces DMT and a gland on its arm. And I guess it's illegal. Like, you're not supposed to buy things like living animals offline and have a ship to you kind of thing. But that's what he did. And he harvested his own DMT now. And he tried the DMT from his slave labor frog. And, uh, uh, uh, it worked and he's like, dude, I saw God. And I was like, what do you mean you saw God? And he's like, I don't know how else to describe it other than I came out of that experience believing in God. And I was like, whoa. Like I was like, wow. Like people are seeing some crazy stuff. And I don't

know what's crazy, what's factual, what is there, what's figment of imagination. Listen, I'm a guy with a podcast, but it's fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. And, um, With these clients and everything, I was going to ask you, and it seems like you kind of went there anyways, it seems like if it was a two-week period that maybe it was somebody within the facility, maybe it was that girl, maybe was somebody else, but it seems like somebody brought something in with them and it was kind of doing its thing until that person left. Did you ever have a chance to really look at records to try narrowing down the set of people that it could have been other than that woman? Oh, I didn't. We actually had a number of people that could have been. And, I mean, if it was anyone, I don't know. I guess that's an assumption I'm making. But when I was talking with her, our conversation started to stray toward astral projection, things like that. And she's like, yeah, I know. You know, there's a few people here who astral project.

And I'm like, really? I didn't ask who I didn't want to pry or anything like that. Um, although maybe I should start being a little more nosy because I would have been interested to know. Yeah. But it is, um, you know, I think it's a, I think it's a more prevalent thing than most people are aware. So, you know, if we, if we had a number of clients who are astral projecting and, um, doing things like that, then, um, that, you know, certainly could have been anybody. Yeah. you know, I've never said this on the show before because I don't know how much I believe it, but I'll tell you a story real quick. One night I was producing this show, and it was probably

like two, three o'clock in the morning. And I was in the office by myself, family sleeping, and I just had this sudden urge that I wasn't alone. And that doesn't happen to me often. In fact, rarely it happens to me. You would think it would happen to me a lot with hearing all these stories that I do on the show, but I don't know if I've gotten numb to it or what, but I really don't have many experiences in my life. And if I have them, they're spread out. But this experience, I'm sitting in the office and I'm, and I just have this overwhelming feeling that I'm not alone. And I didn't feel like the first thought that came in my head wasn't, there's a demon in here or there's a ghost in here.

I had this overwhelming feeling that somebody was relocating into my office, that they had left their body and they were here with me. And it was a really creepy feeling because I was like, if somebody is really here with me because they astro-projected or they truly left their body and came here, like, I felt really vulnerable. and like there's nothing I could have done, you know?

Like, what do you do? There's nothing you can do. And so I just, I sat there and I wasn't scared or anything. I just felt weird. And I just had this overwhelming feeling that I wasn't alone. And I don't know what you said that made me feel like sharing that, but it spawned this memory in my head that I've never shared. I know I've never shared that on the show before.

And it's interesting, though. this whole astro projection thing, and people actually being able to do it on demand, because you know some people say they do it by accident, but some people are actually doing this on demand. More prevalent in some communities more so than others. Did you get any sense that it was of a personality? Like it was, say, perhaps somebody you've had a run-in with before. I know you have this experience where this individual was apparently trying to put some kind of a satanic

curse on you. Yeah. Well, I've never really felt until now that you said that that it could have been that person. And I don't know if it was that person or not. But what I felt like there was like this mind's eye thing going on where I felt like this presence was here. And I don't know, I guess it was my mind's eye was drawing this image. I don't know if it was true or not. But I had this feeling that it was a male presence and that the person was not an overly powering person physically, that they were more slender, dark hair. And for whatever reason, I felt like, like in my mind's eye, I was seeing somebody with, like, slick back hair, not real long hair, but it was just like kind of like slick back. And, and honestly, like, I never, I've never had an

experience like that before. And it was just once. And I don't know if it was just my imagination get to me after listening and working on a show that late at night or what, but I just had this overpowering sense that there's somebody in the room and, uh, they were there in spirit form. And I had the sense that they were projecting themselves here. That they weren't a dead person and it wasn't a demon. I had the sense. Like it was like, you know, with everything that I deal with on the show, I, you would think that if I was going to get freaked out at random with a random incident that pops in my mind, it would be like a demon or, you know, Uncle Joe with the axe or whatever. But this was a very specific, uh, feeling of somebody like it stopped me in my tracks. Like I felt like there was somebody here that was astral

projecting themselves to my location. And it was really weird. But I don't know. I have no proof of it. I didn't see anybody with my physical eyes. It was just like my mind's eye, like was painting a picture of this presence that I was feeling now. These days want to rely more on that kind of intuition because it would be easy without having any proof to say, staying up too late, maybe it's my imagination. But then, you know, why don't you have similar incidents during other times where you're staying up too late and you're tired? And it's kind of hard to, it's hard to say without any definitive proof. But I had done the same thing when I had seen a shadow person, the Hatman specifically.

And I had just thought, you know, that's my imagination for years. and only when I started to really get into this and find that there are several people who have seen the shadowy figure wearing a hat that I decide, okay, well, that's a little bit beyond coincidence. You know, if I saw that, and I thought I saw that, and it made enough an impact on me that I carried that memory with me,

and other people have seen the same exact thing, and it's pretty unlikely, again, that everybody is just having the same exact hallucination, including the details of its attire. So actually there was a show you were doing, I think one of the earlier ones with Lindsay, where she had said something similar. I think she had an experience

and then just kind of wrote it off as imagination, but later on in her life was hearing about other reports and then kind of went, you know, if other people are seeing, it, then I must have. And you'll have to correct me if I'm wrong on that. I'm not sure. But episode three. Yeah. Yeah. I know it was one of those earlier ones. And that's kind of what made me go too, like, oh, wow, that's pretty much my experience. Yeah. And I think it's a lot of people's experiences where, you know, they have an experience. They don't know how to define it. Because

you're not being taught anywhere in life how to define these kind of experiences. It's not like it's in a handbook at school. And so you have these things happen to you. And, you know, and more often not people just move on. They stop thinking about it because they don't know how to define it anyways. They don't want to talk about it because they think they're the only ones. And so they just go through life knowing they have this memory of something, doubting it as time goes on, wondering if they just imagined it. And then, you know, shows like mine and situations where they stumble across a plethora of stories that are identical to what they experienced or at least really close and it gives them a way of, you know, maybe working it out in their minds, even if they're not

coming on my show or, you know, telling the world about it, like, maybe it helps people work it out in their own minds that, hey, at least I know I'm not crazy. And maybe this really did happen. I don't understand it, but at least I know I'm not alone in it. And that's, you know, one of the biggest motivations for this show, really, is that just people get things off their chest and then the people listening have the opportunity to hear a story that maybe they can relate with and helps them as well. I'm not a therapist. I'm not, you know, anything like that. I just, you know, that's the kind of environment I want for the show where people just come forward. It's table talk. We're just sitting around talking about each other's experiences and hopefully everybody's

benefiting from it. Well, definitely. And I can say from personal experience that people are. And since I've, I guess my interest in this subject matter has increased, I've come to the same conclusion with multiple things. Another one was the result of listening to your show too. I recall time of several years ago. I was outside on the porch at the house I grew up in in Wisconsin and just kind of looking up into the sky. And I saw a light appear. It was just like a star. If it didn't do what it did, then it didn't just stay.

And then as soon as that winked out, I don't know whether it was another one or the same one. But another one winked on, you know, it's really hard to say distance since it looked like a star, but somewhat nearby it. And then when that one winked out, another one winked on about the same distance. And I thought, did I really see that? and again, I don't know what episode it was, but you had a guest on that described something similar, and I thought, well, it's a weird feeling to just kind of fabricate out of nowhere. You know, I don't know.

I didn't see a disc shape or anything like that. It was just, it was a UFO in the truest sense of the term of an unidentified, well, no, probably more closely described as unidentified aerial phenomenon rather than a flying object, because I really couldn't say either way. thought that it was a big foot until I listened to enough episodes of Sasquatch Chronicles to understand their behavior

and that was also at the same house on the same porch and I know it wasn't imagining that because I was out there with my sister and this was back in the day so I was still drinking I haven't drank in over 12 years but I was then and we're

we lived kind of in a rural area. There are other houses nearby. So we did have a neighbor. I mean, it wasn't in the middle of town or anything like that. And all of a sudden there's a tree and it's entirely concealed. So I never really physically saw

anything more than just kind of like a bag shadow. I couldn't discern size or anything like that. But it was just peeking out from behind the tree. And I thought it was one of the neighbors coming over or something like that we didn't have good rapport or anything like that.

So, you know, I have no idea. But they said, do you want a beer? And then it took off toward the, I'm bad with distances, but yards away or so. And at that time, they were doing construction on it. So they're making a two-lane highway into a four-lane. This is Highway 151 running up to Wisconsin. The speed that this got, well, what I thought was a guy, got up there was pretty incredible. and it was dark outside, but you could make out the silhouette kind of of this figure moving northbound

along the road, whether it was on the road or just alongside it, I'm not sure, but the motion was so quick and it was so fluid that there was no head bobbing or anything like that. And so I've been thinking he must have gotten on a bike and somehow gotten up to speed because there's no sound, so it's not a vehicle, but it's going too fast. And that's why I think it was something, saskatch or like a saskatch, because you hear these Sasquatch encounters, and they do things like peek around trees tend to come out at night. And their motion, their movement is apparently odd to witness. They don't bound like we do in that.

If you see a human being running, they're going to bob up and down, but rather the head keeps on a level. It doesn't. There's no bobbing. It's just, I'm thinking, I wonder if I offered a saskatchw. watch a beer. Probably not the only person to have done it, but... Well...

And there's a lot of speculation there, but it's weird. You might be one of the few, man. You might be... Because whether you are looking for Bigfoot or you're not looking for Bigfoot, I think the last thing people are thinking is, you want a beer? That's funny. That's funny. You know, I had...

That's true. I had a friend who, before I started the show, I actually had just come out of my paranormal. bigfoot closet, you know, where I kept all the stuff that I do in private from my everyday life. And I had a friend of mine come to me and tell me that one day he was hunting. And he was in his tree stand and out of the corner of his eyes, he saw what something, and now this is in Pennsylvania, we only have black bear here. We do not have brown bears. We don't have grizzly bears. We have black bears. We have black bears. That's it. And in the area he was in, there, there are,

bears. But what he saw was something that was, it was real quick that he saw it, but it was about 10 feet tall, on its hind legs, and walking into the tree line. And it was brown. And so he tells me this story. I'm like, dude, you freaking saw a squatch. Like, I was excited and all that stuff. And I still think that's what he saw. But over time, he started questioning himself. And And the last time I talked to him about it, he said to me, you know, man, I don't know what I saw. I'm starting to think that maybe I didn't see anything but a bear. And in my head, I'm like, what do you mean, dude? Like, you saw something that was brown in color, like, you know, let's just say eight feet tall,

10 feet tall, like tall. And it was walking on its hind legs. Like, yeah, I know bears walking their hind legs, but like, we don't have bears that color here. You know? And it's just, but I say that because, you know, kind of referencing back to what you were saying earlier stuff, over time, people do start to question what they actually saw. And, you know, I think that's why if you had an experience listening to shows like mine are helpful for people to truly sort things out in their mind, whether they talk to somebody or not about it, just to know that you're not crazy and you're not alone in this world and something bizarre that you saw, I think that's comforting for people. And it's strange how that happens because I'll tell you, the Hatman experience I had, I don't know if I was, I must have been like 10 or so. But it was in the basement. We had a living room down there.

We had family down there. I think it was probably my mom and brother and sister and my dad may have been awake just down there watching TV. I became tired. My bedroom is kind of just off the living room. So got up off the couch and walked. toward my bedroom. The door was open so I could see in there, but before I actually stepped foot into the bedroom, I see this shadow that's darker than the rest of. We had a TV in there where we had, at that time, it was probably Super Nintendo. It might have even been like the original old school. So it was sitting in front of

the TV, and it's got the remote, the Nintendo controller in its hand. It looks over at me like it's offering and gesturing for like, hey, it's your turn to be Luigi now or something like that. And, you know, I got out of there. So at the time, obviously, it was real enough for me to, you know, nope, not going back to bed. I'm going to go sit back down on the couch for a while. I'll wait until my brother goes to bed because at that time we're still young enough where we were sharing the same bedroom. We had like bunk beds or something, I think, at the time.

And so that's what I did. but and after a while you begin to think well I mean that's a pretty odd thing the room was dark maybe I was tired um but it takes it takes hearing other people's encounters to to go you know maybe there was something to that and at this point I just think it's I've heard so many Hatman encounters now that that can't be the case I just think I saw this thing and I never saw it again but there were some odd occurrences that happened at that house. So that's another thing that kind of supports it. That was not the only thing that happened there.

What other things happened there? I mean, things that I get, one thing, really the main reason that I wanted to reach out to you, because in my opinion, it's important, and I think people should know it. But I guess before I get to that, I know that at one point, my sister said she it sounded like it was bipedal but it definitely sounded like horse hooves walking around in the kitchen area and we had a tiled floor so she could just hear clomping around and forget whether she was upstairs or downstairs at the time she wasn't on the same floor but um it terrified her and she she just heard it walking kind of just

walking around um then it went away what that was Oh, and my mom, too, she said something to the effect that I wish I could remember the surrounding details. I feel like there's more to it. But basically, she heard the phone ring. This is before cell phones, of course. So we had a phone downstairs. There wasn't one upstairs. And my parents' bedroom was upstairs.

I don't think anybody was home at the time. she heard the phone ring, so she went downstairs to get it. Now, the stairs terminate in the dining room area, and once she hit the floor, the dining room light pop glass all over the floor. And so she was just left in darkness to fumble her way to the phone and answer it. When she finally answered it, there was nobody on the phone. So that kind of creeped her out. Another thing that occurred, again, my sister, and she didn't really see anything there or the other, but she was on the porch and heard a huge, it was definitely a big animal. Our neighbors had horses. We know what that sounds like. There's no indigenous wildlife that are, that's larger than a horse in that area.

I mean, even a bear had a bear wandered that far. We didn't make that, wouldn't make that sound. according to her. It was very deep. So she could tell it was huge. And it was just like a chuff or just the breathing of this extraordinarily large thing around the corner. She was out on the porch. And she decided to go inside and not go back out for the rest of the night. But I guess just taking that into consideration, coupling that with the, I imagine with a Sasquatch, just because, again, I can't picture a human being running to the highway jumping. on a bike and getting up to speed and fleeing at the speed that this thing left at in any number

of things that's the, I suppose, of Sasquatch is not the only cryptid or paranormal type thing that it could have been. It sounded like. So not a lot of detail there. Yeah, well, I mean, it's, I know it's speculation, but I mean, that's what we do, right? That's what we do here. We speculate. We think about, you know, what if and what could have been. So there's no harm in that. I, you know, before we kind of wrap this episode up, I would like to dive into just some things with you on your book. And, you know, I didn't tell you we were going to do this. So hopefully it's okay. But I want to ask you about Alistair Crawley because I guess you had said that in a book that he was visited by an entity named, I don't even know how to pronounce it,

A-I-W-A-S-S, I think that's how you spelled it. And the picture in the book, I guess, my wife was telling me about it, looked like a gray alien. Is that so? Is that ringing the bell? Yes, and I've heard that entity that he channeled, and I don't know if that was through what he called the Alamantra working, or if that was another kind of set of magic spells he did. Also go by the name of Lamb, unless there's two separate entities that have gotten confused.

but it's one of the earliest, earlier depictions of a gray. And if we're looking at grays as extraterrestrial beings, another thing, this is on Marzuli's documentary, I think it's, it might have been the fifth one, the Watcher series that he does. This news guy goes out to meet with this guy who goes by Prophet Yahweh. it must have been a slow day at the news station. I don't know. And because apparently this guy could summon UFOs. So he goes out there thinking it's going to be a funny little gag story.

I don't know what you call him a field investigator or whatever their title is. Calls back to the station and says, this guy conjured a UFO. Well, again, conjuring is something you do on a spiritual level. So I don't want to just, you know, relegate all phenomena to the realm of the demonic, but to me it certainly looks that way. There's certainly a connection between demonic entities and many UFO manifestations that people report. I know I don't want to take up all your time, and this is kind of, jump in topic so i hope you don't mind too much but i i did want to mention also that um cross check

with some of the reports that of your some of the eyewitnesses that um have been on your show one guy what he said he was like he must have been like two years old and you saw this little um red dragon reptilian thing um holding his arms down while he was in his crib slash bed or when he was in his crib slash bed or whatever it is. And then you hear a loud roar, it would roar at him and disappear. And that happened for two or three nights before it stopped. And something similar happened to my brother, roughly the same age. And I know people are, I think, inclined to discount the testimony of a two-year-old, generally speaking, or even an adult who's relaying a story from what happened while he was two years old or at a younger age. You know, people tend to think that,

that's less reliable, but it was corroborated by my mother later on. So his memory is such that kind of the same thing. He was still so young, I think he was in a crib, and I don't even know if I was born yet, but his room was of the same, as I understand it, there was a purple horn and a shield himself from them, and they'd just be grinding their muzzles into his back, and he said it like tickle hurt.

It wasn't pleasant. He got the distinct impression. They were not just trying to tickle him. They were trying to enter him. And so apparently on the third night, this happens again. This time, though, there's a huge roar. And something similar happened to an encounter that Brenton saw and shared about his Darrow experience.

He was being molested and, you know, for lack of a better word, by an entity and there was a shadow figure there to hurt a loud roar. Then those things got out of there. And they seemed to be afraid of the roar. Well, these

ponies or horses or whatever they were were apparently afraid as well because once that roar happened, they disappeared. And, you know, my brother was as afraid of the roar as with anything else. If anything, you'd maybe even more afraid.

Like, great, what now? But at that point, there was a glow coming from outside of his room and it got closer and it's like glowing fiery eyes. And I don't think he remembers. So I don't know how, or at what point the transition occurred. but at some point the lamb turned into a human figure and walked with him and walked with him downstairs, talked with him. He doesn't remember what was said except for when they finally went back upstairs.

My brother didn't want to leave and asked him, you know, when are you going to be back? And then he was gone. And they apparently, as my mother tells it, my brother's sharing this with him. him and happened. And then I saw a lamb come in. And then I saw this guy all in white, white hair, and like red, I don't know if he said, red eyes or fiery eyes. And he had owies here. And he pointed to his feet. And at that point, my mom was going to church. And she's familiar with the description of Christ in the book of Revelation. And that's the description. He doesn't look, at least in in the revelation description, like a Jewish carpenter, he's got white hair like wool,

and he's got eyes of flame. And obviously the holes in his hands and feet where he had been pierced. And of course, as a whatever, a two, three-year-old, however young he was, you know, my brother's not going to know that. He doesn't, though my mom, I think my dad, had to. They probably both went to church. You know, he's nursery age. He doesn't know anything about the descriptions of the book of revelation. So again, not really likely that he's fabricating that. So that to me is the interesting thing. And that's what I think is important to convey. Really is

abnormally rich. Some it kind of dried up. Right circles. And there's some very interesting things that happen. And I could go on about prophetic things and, you know, in my life in that regard. But that's what I consider. I think the email heading was a rare encounter. And I call it rare because I don't hear much about that. That I haven't heard. And it impacted me and probably had something to do with my interest in the paranormal

because I never doubted that. I never doubted that. My brother is not given to fantasy, and he doesn't like talking about it. Otherwise, he'd be on the show. But I think it's just mind-blowing. Because to me, I see how else to look at it other than, you know, the God of the universe,

the beginning and the end himself was in my house, tormenting demons. walked with them and comforted in and then left. Yeah, you know, and you said it just a few seconds ago, you heard me say it on the show. I mean, we lost our way when it comes to, you know, understanding the supernatural aspect of our belief system. It's far more paranormal supernatural, however you want to describe it than most want to give it credit for. And, you know, I have similar stories from family members telling me stuff. I've

said it before on the show where my grandfather sharing his experiences that were very supernatural with me really helped build my faith and believe in this stuff. But, you know, everybody has their own life path and, you know, figured things out the way you want to figure it out and stuff. But I do agree with you. and I just did do an interview not too long ago. It hasn't been released yet, but maybe it has been once this interview airs. I don't know. But it was a couple that was on with me, and they, he had died. He had gotten sick from something he ate, and he literally died, excuse me, he literally died in the car on the way to the hospital. He was dead for 33 minutes and declared legally dead, but he came back to life.

And what he saw on the other side, he shares with us on the show. And most modern Western church Christians will not believe what he says because they don't believe in the supernatural anymore. And so anyways, I could go on and on and on. But Will, I do appreciate being on the show, sharing your experiences from where you work to the more personal ones to even about your book and stuff. Before we get out of here, though, could you let people know one more time the name of your book and where they can get it in a brief synopsis of, I think I said that word, right, synopsis of what it is about? Yeah, it's called deconstructing a paradigm, a treatise for the unbelievable. It's available for $899 on Amazon. Self-publish books, you have to charge

something for them. I, you know, I wanted to make it available. I've got I've got a number of things in there that just struck me as, you know, these are things that have a lot of merit. You know, when you hear things like the experience of Travis Walton, you really can't dismiss that. There's too much evidence. The giants, the numerous documented newspaper articles amongst historical data that confirm the existence of giants. the, I would call evil influence in Washington, D.C. And how that relates to the Bohemian Grove and Pizagate and all this pedophilia stuff we're seeing in the news now come to light. It's just an amalgamation of these things that people tend not to believe that I believe there is a good, solid foundation.

of evidence for them. And so I wanted to present a lot of the evidence for that. And why, really what it is, is it's an apologetic for the paranormal and that there's another realm that is truly in existence. And it's threatened by the idea, a very reductionist, materialist idea that is being put force that, you know, nothing exists apart from what we can see. And I think that's a Dane should be done away with. This is my effort to kind of chip away at that and say, well, you know what, here are some things that the mainstream is not going to acknowledge exists,

but here's the data that says it does. Getting at deconstructing paradigm is on Amazon. on, I'm kind of working on some more stuff now, but slowly since I'm a little busy these days. But yeah, that's kind of it in a nutshell. All right. Well, destructing a paradigm, or deconstructing, I should say, deconstructing a paradigm. Will, thanks for being here, man. I appreciate talking to me. Yeah, thank you.

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