The Confessionals - RELOADED | 272: The Spirit Observer

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

In Episode 272: The Spirit Observer, guest Wes shares with us about different entities he has seen throughout his life. These entities do not seem specific to one particular place or event - Wes is a frequent traveler and has seen things appear in many different places. In this episode, we discuss whether he is being followed by supernatural entities or if he can see things that most other people cannot. Some people seem to have the preternatural ability to perceive the spirit world around them, and Wes may just be one of those people!Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZTony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducer

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coms bar records. Merkel Media. I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine? Kind of a Dolion? Time is but a stubborn illusion.

I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves. Time travel is possible. This was all circulating. around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. Beach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear.

When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. The giant comes out of the cave, and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this.

somebody else shoot him in the face shoot him in the face they basically decapitated feel something pulling at my leg and i look over and there are two small gray entities pulling at me and they're literally i'm getting pulled off the bed i reached my hand into this bush and i touch air couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because i know i'm seeing a monster okay i reloaded yep welcome to the show everybody this to The Confessionals, I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. Or go to the website Theconfessionalspodcast.com, hit the contact section, and you can reach me that way as well. Either it works for me, just get a hold of me. If you want more shows every week, every Thursday,

we drop bonus episodes to members on the website. So if you want to hear all the previous member shows and all the future member shows and even this Thursday's member show, go to the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the join button, and become a member today. Now we have West coming on the show, and Wes today is going to be sharing his experiences with seeing these different entities throughout his life. And here's the thing with Wes, he travels a lot. He did a lot of traveling, and these things keep popping up, which makes you feel like they're following him. Or maybe he's just able to see things that other people really can't see or don't want to see. Let's bring on Wes right now. So, Wes, you're in Michigan, right? Yep, southern part of Michigan,

close to Ohio, our south of Detroit. Like we were talking about earlier. Yeah. And, yeah, we were talking about Detroit a little bit earlier. I used to drive, well, I drove Chuck up there for about a week, helping one of our terminals out. And I tell you, it was a different experience for sure. Like, that's a Hammer Lane Legends podcast.

That's not a confessional's podcast. But so you've had different experiences throughout your life. And we're going to kind of jump into it here. And I know you said that you kind of just want to run through some of these experiences and stuff. So I'm just going to hand it over to you, my friend, and let you kind of take it away and see where things go today. All right. That sounds good. Well, with like my family or whatever, there's like, I guess some stuff kind of like some weird senses that we have.

I think that I'm a little bit more in tune with it because I'm open-minded with everything. A lot of other people who I don't think they like to believe in this stuff. but either way there's some weird stuff that goes on and it's always at night time and I feel like it's at the time where we could be sleeping or waking up from a deep sleep stuff like that so we I guess we moved around a lot when I was young so we lived two different houses finally when I was about 16, we moved into this house and small little house out in the country. It was real nice. And I remember this is where this is where the first story, I guess, would come from. I was staying in this room and it was upstairs. I got to say that because later on, we built rooms and I had

a room in the downstairs. But when I was upstairs, I remember I was dating this girl, and I decided to paint my room, and I painted it all black and orange. I don't know why. So that kind of makes it a little, like, creepier what happened. So I'm in this. I'm sleeping one night, and, uh, oh, it's like maybe two in the morning, something like that. I think I had school the next day I was in high school, and, uh,

like I said, all black, all black room in my bed. It was the foot of the bed was facing this window, the only window in my room. And over on the left by the window was a computer desk that I had with my computer that I used to make music on, make beats and stuff. So anyways, I was laying there sleeping and it really tripped me out. So I wake up out of nowhere and I see, like, like this clear figure, which I got to say that too, because the other stuff I've seen, they all changed.

This one was the figure of a body. There's no face, no clothes, nothing like that you can see. It was like clearish white, and it was just standing there. So at first, you know, I'm like, am I really seeing this? You know, is this the moonlight? Because obviously the moonlight's coming through, but I can see the outline of something. somebody's standing there like a body and I'm like what the heck is going on

so anyways I'm staring at it for a while just freaked out and uh it starts moving like it starts walking towards me and I swear to God I see it like turn around and it sits on my bed and I felt the weight of a person and that's that's how I knew it was real like my bed went down laying there looking and looking at this thing sitting on my bed

and I can feel the weight of it. I'm freaked out. Like, I don't even want to sound like that, but I was like holding my covers. I couldn't even move. I was so scared. Anyway, so it's sitting there. I can't move or nothing.

I'm not trying to anything. I'm just trying to pretend like I'm a sleep or something, so it'll just go away. Next thing, you know, it stands back up and you feel the weight, come back off of the bed. It goes over by the computer desk, and it starts, like, moving my computer chair,

like basically twist in, turn in it or whatever, like it was going to sit down in it. It stops. Then it walks towards a window and like out of the window and disappears and has gone. And I can't move. Like even after it was gone, you know, because I'm like, oh my God, is it going to come back? What is that? What did I just see? But I can't move.

I'm freaked out. I can't go back to sleep. Nothing. I just ended up laying there, I think, for a few hours. So this is like the first incident in this house And like I said I'm probably 16, 17 years old Somewhere around there

That's the first real incident that I can remember So I try to tell people about it You know, I'd be like, oh, I told my mom I'm like mom, I've seen a ghost last night I swear to God And she's like, oh my God, you did not see no ghost You know, you were probably just sleeping Blah, blah, blah

So after that I'm like oh my god like scared to sleep you know I'm kind of freaked out like what is going on is this thing in this house is that good is it bad I don't know what to think after all that you know I'm like had my my thoughts stirring around in my head about this house eventually like I said we built some rooms in the basement and this basement is like an unfinished basement you know it's just kind of concrete walls, everything like that. So we built some rooms. The rooms have no windows in them. And added onto that, it's like you have to walk outside into the garage, and then there's a stairwell that goes down to the basement. It's not like you just go into the basement.

I had to go out to the garage to get down there. So anyways, I move into this room downstairs. Now there's a room to the left, which was my brother moved to the right. The room on the right, that was me. And this is where things really started getting weird in that room. And like I said, there's no window, so it's pitch black in there, as if the other room wasn't dark enough, but at least there was a window. But, okay, so this incident down here is the one that really, I don't know, trips me out

and really changed my mind on the whole thing. because like I said, the first one I seen upstairs, it was the figure of a person, but it was clear. You know, it's like you can tell it's a person, but you can see through it. There's no facial features, nothing like that. So anyways, down in this room, this is, I don't even know how to say it, it's crazy.

Down in this room one night, I'm sleeping or whatever, and my bed is on the floor. Like I didn't have a bed frame or anything like that. I just had a mattress and a box spring on the floor. And I have a dog too. I was going to tell you that at that point, her name was Juice. And she's down there sleeping with me or whatever. And I wake up, pitch black, and standing over me is this person.

It's like a man. which I got to figure out how to explain this. So when I painted that room black, the girl that I was dating at that time, she lived about a mile away from me, and I was real close with her, and her family, my family's real close with her family, and she's got her, she lived with her mom, dad,

and her brother or whatever. And her dad is this huge dude. You know, he's like six, I don't know, six, four, just a huge dude. and he's got this long hair, everything like that, big beard. Intimidating, dude. So I wake up in the middle of the night, and like whenever these happen, too, I don't just, like, mozy awake.

It's like, boom, you're all the way alert. You're all the way woke up, and you're looking at whatever it is. So I wake up, and there's this man standing over me, and it kind of had the facial features kind of like her dad. and he was tall too just like that but he had real long hair he was standing over me not on my bed but off to the side just looking down at me had this long hair a beard and was wearing all black like he had kind of like this trench coat type thing on and just had like the meanest look on his face in the world and at first look i didn't think it it looked anything like that girl's dad you know i just like is like, oh my God, who is this? So what's crazy is, I think this is an actual human

in my room standing over me. So I wake up and I see this what I think is a human in all black. I leap out of my bed and try to grab his legs, you know, because I'm about to try to fight him or something. I try to grab his legs, boom, I miss.

Feeling around for him, I don't feel anything. I jump up, turn the light on. No one's in there. That changes my whole mind on everything. thing now. I'm like, oh my God. Like, the first one I've seen was clear. There's nobody in my room, but that was a person. This looked like an actual person. Like I said, so I jumped out and I tried to tackle the person. Couldn't feel nobody, obviously turned a light on in. No one's there. So this changed my whole mind on everything. Like I said, I was like,

first I've seen a clear thing, which I think is a ghost. And now I see a human, an actual person, but I find out it's not there. So now I'm like, okay, if I see a person with facial features with clothes looking down at me with this grimace, you know, what did I see the first time? Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. So, I mean, what I'm hearing is that you thought the second time was an actual person standing over you.

I mean, clearly the way you reacted. But do you still think that that was an actual person or do you think that was an actual ghost now? I've got some ideas on what I think. I think it was more of like a spirit, like a ghost. Like it used to be, well, I don't know, I guess they all used to be something or are something, but I think it was an actual, like, used to be a human and is trapped somehow. I think it was a human. But different things that I've seen, I've seen people.

And then I think I'm pretty sure I've seen a demon. I'm pretty sure I've seen an angel. Part of me still thinks that the first one I seen was an angel, even though I was terrified of it. I think it might have been an angel because it was clear, you know, and it was, if it's clear, it's not dark, you know? It doesn't have, like, a darkness about it. And this person in my room, the way it was the person, the guy was looking at me,

like I feel like he was mad, like evil, like dark. So I feel like that was like a bad person. and maybe the first one was an angel or a good person. I don't know. I can't tell you. That's my thinking on it so far as, you know, like if they have a lighter look about them, you know, like whiteish gray or clearish, you know, I feel like they're good. And I feel like if they have a darkish entity about them, like they're bad or evil or something. or maybe, you know, I think a lot about

biblically, you know, I think about like maybe this person is in his own hell and that's why you can't move on. And maybe a person who has a lighter or a brighter entity about it or whatever, maybe they're happy, you know, they're in their own personal heaven but still haven't moved on. I don't know.

Obviously there's no like answers right now for all of this, is obviously why we have the show, but that's my thinking on it is this person standing over me was a bad person. Yeah, I mean, we can only go by your experience and your intuition on it. So, I mean, if that's how you feel, then that's how you feel. You know, and I don't think anybody else is in a position really to kind of tell you exactly what you experienced and what it was. I think there's, I think there's a lot of different explanations that it could be. And I think that sometimes we experience things and they actually might be more than just one thing. I think what we're dealing with is very complex and I think only time is on our side when it comes to the idea

of maybe figuring this stuff out because it's hard to figure this stuff out, man. People think they got together. People act like they got together and people think they have it all figured out, I wouldn't go there. No, I think, I don't know, I think it's all tied together. Somehow we just haven't figured it out, obviously. But I think it's right in front of our faces. Whatever it is that goes on with the paranormal, with abduction scenarios, even the Bigfoot scenarios, I think it's all right in front of our faces.

or maybe it's like a lost kind of knowledge that we used to have. I don't know. But like I said, my thinking on it was the first one, I was terrified, but I think it was a good entity. And the second one was not a good entity. And I don't think, because some people might have a haunting or something in their house, and they see the same thing over and over. And that has not happened to me.

I always see different things. And they've also kind of followed me around. I won't say like they haven't followed me everywhere that I've been, but I have seen a lot of different things. So that was the first incident in that room in the basement. Not long after that, I had another incident, which this is almost one I forgot. I almost forgot about it,

but I remembered it a few weeks ago. So now I'm down in that room. It's not nighttime. Well, it's nighttime, but it's not like I'm sleeping or anything like that. I was down there with the girlfriend I had at that time, and we were watching a movie,

just chilling, whatever. And what's really weird about it is the movie I was watching was the fourth kind. I liked that movie. I still do weird movie. So anyway, the light's probably like 9 o'clock at night. We're just hanging out, watching the fourth kind or whatever.

Like I said, there's no windows. There's no moonlight coming in. It's just dark, and you just have the TV screen. So over to my left, like in the corner, in the corner by the ceiling, like way up high, I was here in, and my girlfriend was too, this, like, scratching noise. You know, like it would scratch, scratch, scratch, scratch and I'd be like what the heck is that you know look up there I'm not seeing anything it's

stop I'd hear this scratch scratch scratch scratch look up there nothing's going on eventually I turn the the light on pause the movie I'm like all right what's going on you know I'd get up there climb on top of my dresser looking around I'm not seeing anything there's nothing behind the dresser like wow that's my dresser there's I had a whole bunch of stuff on there but the one thing that I guess is memorable here is I had this uh this big stack of CDs you know you buy like CDRs and they come in a case of a hundred and they're on that like that shaft thing yeah or whatever so I had this big stack of CDs just full of like sounds for like my music or whatever and it was just sitting on there so I shut the light off whatever all that scratching was going on boom

I hear a scratch again, turn a light on, whatever, nothing there, shut it off again, play the movie. After a little while, eventually, I swear to God, something smacked them CDs off of my dresser, and CDs just went everywhere. And it's not like it was hanging on the edge of my dresser. It was literally like back towards the wall, everything like that. So CDs go everywhere,

and we're both just like, what is going on? turn the light on. At this point, I just shut the movie off. I'm like, all right, we're going upstairs. We go upstairs, and we just hung out upstairs the rest of the night. I try to tell people, you know, I'm like, okay, last night, you know, I heard this scratching, and then something smacked my CDs off of my dresser. They're like, oh, I don't know, you know.

Could have been anything. Maybe you're just hearing stuff. Maybe you had it just hanging on the edge of the dresser. It just fell. No, I swear. the guy, something slapped the CDs off of the dresser like it was mad. Here is where I didn't see something. I wish I was lucky enough to be able to see whatever it was that slapped the CDs.

Because I'd have been like, you know, that's my CDs. Don't slap my CDs. Either way. Yeah, slats the CDs or whatever. CDs go everywhere. My girlfriend's freaked out now. You know, she's like, oh, my God, I don't like being in your room down there. I mean, I don't blame you, but whatever.

anyways that goes on a few a few other small things happen you know nothing too major in that house for that period of time right there but i'm like one time no i won't even get into that but so that girl that i was well it's just like it's something that if i can't really prove it you know i don't know what happened like uh one of these one of these nights okay so So out back, behind the house, I had this like shed. And, you know, it had paneling, insulation, electricity, and that's where I made all my music. You know, so I'd be able to go out there, escape.

Everyone just go make music in my free time. And it was my spot. Anyways, later on in life or whatever, like, I think it was wintertime, actually. In the wintertime, I didn't spend too much time out there. too cold. And I'd put a heater out there sometimes, but this night I definitely didn't, wasn't out

there, but I had a buddy over. We were hanging out, whatever, and my stepdad, his name is, well, I'll say my stepdad, either way. So he would go out to the shed sometimes and read. Like that

that's a good place to go, get away from all the noise and everything, so he'd go out there and read. Either way. So anyways, I'm looking for my stepdad. Have you seen, do you know where he went? Do you know where he went? No one knows where he went. So I'm like, oh, you must be out in that shed.

So I go out there, the door's locked. So I'm shaking the handle. I'm like, hey, hey, what are you doing? You know, I need your help with this. And I hear what I think is him rustling around in there, you know, like stuff moving, but he's not saying anything, okay? You know, like I guess I'm going to go get the key and unlock it. So I went back inside

I had my key Come back outside Went to go unlock it And the door is wide open now No one's in there Lights are off I'm like what You know like what's going on

So I go back inside To put my key away And In what used to be my room That was all I go knock on that door And out comes my stepdad He's like hey what's going on

I was like Were you just out there in the shed He's like, uh, no, I've been in here. I was taking a nap, you know, or whatever. So I'm like, what is going on? So like that, like there's no way to prove. I didn't, you know, I didn't see anything. I don't know what it was.

Yeah. The door was locked. I heard something in there rustling around. No one responded to me, though. The door was locked. Like I said, I go back out there to unlock the door. The door is wide open. That trip me out, but I don't know what that was.

So anyways. that that's kind of what happened at that house now it's uh the girl i'm still dating she she was two grades below me and she's graduating high school and uh she's about to go to college i'm about to go to college we decide for some reason to move from michigan to north carolina sound like a cool adventures. We packed up, moved to Raleigh. School, north side of Raleigh, she went to NC State, and we're living in this apartment down there. And my dog came with me, too, juice. So we're down there or whatever, living in this little apartment. And this place, I've seen a lot of things happen in this apartment. But, like, so much stuff that I can't

remember all of it. So I only like kept up with the stuff that I really remember. Anyways, so we have this little one-bedroom apartment and it'd be kind of the same thing. You know, I'd be sleeping and joltan, you know, just like I did back at the home in Michigan, joltan awake and feeling like something was there, like something is in my room or something like that. So, and my eyes were like locked on the doorway into the room. And I see like a head like creeping past the, uh, the door jam, but like only the head. You know, and it was real fast. Like it would like peek in, go back and hide.

Peek in, go back and hide. But I couldn't see the whole face. I could tell it was a guy. But he would, like I said, peek in, hide. Peek in and hide. So after I seen it a few times, you know, know, I freak out. You know, I jump up, you know, turn a light on.

I'm like, oh, my God, someone's in here. Of course, there's nobody in the apartment. So at this point, like, this is the same girl that I was dating when, whatever it was, decided to throw them CDs all over the place. I mean, she seen that happen, but she's starting to be like, oh, I think you're just seeing stuff, you know, you're just seeing stuff. I'm like, no, I swear to God, there was somebody last night, peeking his head in past the door jam, looking at us, then hiding.

Looking at us and hiding. When I turn the light on, it was gone. I don't know. She's probably thinking I'm crazy or whatever because the way I wake up like that, I jump up in the bed, you know, yelling, flipping the light on. She thinks I'm nuts. Anyways. So that happens in this apartment, so I'm like, wow, this is weird, you know.

Like, I just seen all this stuff back at Michigan. and now I just seen something here in this apartment. And this apartment was, you know, not in the best neighborhood either, so it kind of tripped me out. Anyways, that's something small than a little bit later on, you know, maybe a couple weeks or something. The same thing happens. But when I wake up, my eyes are focused in the doorway,

and there's this woman standing there. but she's like, she's like whiteish, clearish. You know, like I said, so I felt like she was a good spirit, but she's like whiteish, clearish, and she had like this, this short, white, curly hair and glasses. Like, she looked older, maybe like, it looked like she was in her 60s or 70s, but white curly hair had glasses on, and she had, I can't tell if it was like, it wasn't like a dress, but sounds weird but you know how like

if you work in a restaurant or something they wear like those aprons yeah so she was wearing like this white apron thing and she's standing in the doorway now she's not peeking around she's just standing there so I wake up and I see this woman

and once again like when you first wake up and you see this stuff like if you can see the features of them your first instinct is there's somebody in my house. There's somebody here. So, of course, I think that there's somebody in my apartment.

I'm like, oh, my God, jump up, flip the light on. I'm going to catch this lady or whatever. But no, there's no one there. Once again, I tell my girl, I'm like, she's like, what are you doing? What happened? What happened? I tell her, like, there's this woman here. There's this lady.

She was standing right here. I told her everything, like how she looked. She was whiteish, queer. it's almost like her image was in gray scale you know like it didn't have any colors okay but it was it was like

like I said whiteish you know it wasn't dark it's not like she had this dark aura about her so I feel like maybe I don't know she was like trapped there not even trapped in the apartment or anything like that she's just trapped

in her own plane of existence or whatever and she hasn't moved on. And I don't know why she was in our apartment. Like I said, I never seen her again in that apartment. I've seen other things, but not her. But I feel, like I said, I feel like she was a good entity, but I caught her. You know, like she, maybe, maybe they want to, like,

look at the living or they're jealous of the living or something like that, but she was just watching us, you know, sleep or whatever. and then I caught her. Then she disappeared. And I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Either way, at that point, like I said, my girl, she probably thinks I'm nuts.

You know, I'm telling her, like, dude, I'm afraid to sleep. I'm afraid to go to sleep. I know I'm going to see some more stuff. You know, and she's like, oh, I think you're just, like your mind's playing tricks on you or whatever, you know, all that kind of stuff. But no, I believed in it. Like, I really believed it. I was like, no, these, like, I'm able to see these ghosts.

And I asked other people, like, in the apartments next to me, because I was friends with everyone, but I'd be like, have you ever seen anything in these apartments, you know? And they, oh, what do you mean? Have you ever seen, like, like a ghost? You know, and no, I never see nothing, never felt nothing like that. So I'm always wondering, like, why was I seeing all this? either way

this is this goes on to this is probably the second scariest thing that happened other than that that one man that was in all black

this is probably the second scariest thing is let's see well I'll say this first my dog juice this is why it's important so

we go home for Christmas and she goes sees her family you know I'm hanging out with my family and my dog, she's back in her normal house or whatever, she's a good dog. And so I was like, hey, can you guys watch my dog? I'm going to go see my buddy.

So I drove into town, went and was hanging out with my buddy. And my mom's calling. She's like, hey, texting me, hey, call me back. Please call me back. So I call her back. I'm like, what's going on? She's like, somebody shot juice. And I was like, oh, my God, what do you mean?

Is she okay? She's like, yeah, she's like, yeah. She's okay. She's limping around, but somebody shot her in the legs. She has a bullet hole. So I'm like, oh, my God, tripping out. And I drive back home, sure enough, she's got this hole in her leg. And she's whining, she can't walk, she's bleeding everywhere.

And, like, this is my baby, for real, like my dog. And I've had her since I was, like, 16. By now I'm like 20, maybe 21, 22. either way. So I'm like, oh, we got to take her to the vet, take her to the vet. So anyways, drive up, take her to the vet, and the vet is talking about where her bullet hole is. There's not much we can do about it.

We can't really. They literally told me that they could not stitch it up because it's in such an awkward spot on her leg. Really? They can't stitch it up. Yeah. So they gave me some diapers to put on my dog to catch the blood.

I'm like, oh, my God, this is crazy, you know? So I knew I was like, I don't think she's going to make it through this or whatever. So we go back home and I stayed up all night with her. She's crying, you know, huffing, trying to breathe. And I wake up in the morning, sure enough, she didn't make it. It was the saddest thing in the world, boy. But anyways, I buried juice out in the back. yard at that house and Michigan.

All over Christmas break, this happened. So now Christmas is over. We're driving back to North Carolina and the Jews ain't coming with us. It was sad. Either way. So we get back to North Carolina and we're there for a few months or whatever. And I think we decided like, you know what, like this whole living eight, ten hours away, kind of we both talked about it and we both wanted to move back to michigan so she wanted to

transfer from nc state to michigan state i was going to transfer to a school in detroit so that's cool either way before we left though one more incident happened and this one i don't know this i don't even know it's hard to explain like what i saw but i told you whenever i see these things and i wake up it's not like i just oh mosey awake no i'm alert a hundred 100% alert. Sleeping one night and boom, I wake up and standing over my girlfriend now, not over me, standing over my girlfriend is this, what I think is a demon. It didn't have a black, blackness about it, a whiteness about it, nothing.

It was in color. And it was, it reminded me of Gallum from the Lord of the Rings. like Gollum, but the knees went backwards. Like instead of, you know, how human knees are, the knees were backwards. And it was like, I guess not standing, crouching over her, you know, and its face was so close to her face. And it looked, like I said, it looked like Gollum. It had no hair, though, had no clothes on. It was skin, like old grayish skin.

the knees went backwards and it was just staring at her. So, oh, I freaked out that time, for real. Jumped up, flipped the light on. Of course, it's not there. And she's, oh, what's going on? What's going on? I told her, like, I've seen something standing over you. Like, it wasn't a person, though.

It was like a thing. You know, it was like I didn't know how to explain it. You know, I still can't even, like, what's in my head. I don't even know how to explain. what I've seen, like in words. It was just not human, but kind of looked like it had human skin and a human face, but just like all twisted and like the arms were real long. I think if this thing was all the way standing up,

it might be like all the way standing up might be three and a half, maybe four feet, tops tall. Like it was small. And it was, like I said, crouched over. and the knees, like I said, went backwards. I don't understand. Yeah, that's interesting. But I mean, do you think that was a physical creature?

Do you think that was a more ghostly demonic thing? I think it was, I don't think it was physical at all. I think, oh, yeah, if it was physical, I think she would have, you know, because I didn't feel like the weight of it standing on the bed or anything like that. So I think it was more of like a demonic thing. And like I said, it was standing. ending over her, which kind of tripped me out because, like, I believe in, I believe in the Bible, believe in God, you know, been saved and baptized when I was young. I mean, I won't say

I'm a frequent churchgoer. I won't say that at all, but this girl, she was in, like, complete atheist, you know, and was, I don't know, kind of had some weird friends, like, almost like witchy friends, you know, thought they were like, I don't know. But she just, she was, I don't know. But she was like kind of that kind of crowd. And I always thought it was weird that it was standing over her, not me, because I'm the one who sees all this stuff. You know, I've seen all these different ghosts and entities or whatever they are. I wake up and I see this and it's standing over her.

So that, I don't know, made me think like maybe it's something that had to do with her, you know? I'll find out later on in life, though. I don't think it was. I think it had to do more with just me being aware. Either way, that's what I think was a demon. I think it was like a evil demon

thing. The first one I seen that was clear my idea was like I think that might have been an angel. The other ones, the lady and that man and all black standing over me, I think that was a ghost, and I think

this thing was a demon. Anything about any of that, but but all I know is I wasn't trying to be a part of it, you know. Anyways, so we're in North Carolina at that time. We're getting ready to move back. We moved back. Well, I'll say I drove all the stuff back in this U-Haul, and as soon as we got back, like, me and her, like, literally just split up.

Like, things were not working, you know, we just split up. Anyways, I moved back. Like I said, I enroll in this other college, and I'm staying at my mom's house again, that same house. And I'm back in that room in the basement. I was sleeping one night and I jolt awake. There's nothing there, though. But it's what trips me out is the sound.

All I could hear was a dog panting, you know, like panting like it's hot, like it needs some water. And it was right over right next to me. where juice slept every day. So I'm pretty positive that that was juice. That's why I was mentioning juice earlier is because I'm pretty positive like she came back or is there or something like that.

But I could hear her panty. You know, she was laying there. I could feel her like moving, you know, trying to catch her breath. So I hear juice and I'm like, oh my God, like, swear God I heard juice last night. She was in my room and she was panting like she needed some water or something like that. And other people told me like, oh, I think it was juice.

You know, I've had my dog that passed, you know, I've heard my dog or I've seen my dog, stuff like that. So that was back in that same house. And juice, we don't live in that house anymore, but she's buried there. So I think it makes sense that that was her. Anyways, so that happens. Eventually, I decide to, my cousin owns the company out there where it was going to go work for her.

So me and my little brother pack up, moved to Denver. I lived in Denver for a year and found out it's crazy, expensive. Like, I remember paying $1,400 in rent for like 600 square foot one bedroom apartment. Like that's crazy. I lived out there a year. Not one thing happened.

You know, I met this girl out there and we moved in together into that apartment or whatever and not one thing happened. I thought that was kind of strange, you know, like, how have I not seen anything? Nope, nothing. And eventually, yeah, it's too expensive out in Denver and the girl is from Florida.

So I was like, okay, well, this is too expensive. We should probably just do something different. So we decide to move to Michigan, which was stupid because it's cold here. Anyways, so we moved back to Michigan now, and she comes with me. She's never been to Michigan. She finds out, yeah, it's cold. And we're there literally, I think I was here for about a week. week. I went and got my old job back, started work, maybe a week of us being here, and it being,

because we moved here in January, or right around Christmas, so yeah, it's freezing. And after about a week, I'm like, we should just move to Florida. You know, that sounds nice there. And she's like, oh, that that's what you want to do. I was like, if you want to, I mean, that's your family down there. if you want to go down there, I'd be down because I can see myself sitting on the beach, all that. So Michigan, now a couple months, and we're in a completely different house because my mom moved, got a new house. Now she lives across the street from my grandma's house, which is a, it's got a weird story about my grandma's house anyways. I don't know if I believe it, but my grandpa back in the day told me that it used to be a funeral. home. And it's a real old house. It's kind of creeped you out. But anyways, we live across the street

from her and, you know, didn't see anything the couple months I was in Michigan. Eventually, we moved to Florida. We got a little small house down there. But what's weird is now I think that, like, my work schedule made me not be able to see a lot of things. So, yeah, I was living in Florida, but Monday through Saturday, sometimes Sunday, we drove, our company that I worked for drove two hours, two and a half hours north to Georgia, and I worked in Georgia all week long, stayed in a hotel. So that sucked.

But I mean, in a hotel, like what can happen? Nothing. Didn't see anything. Eventually, things didn't work out in Florida, as they seem to go. But I was like, all right, I'm moving back to Michigan. You know, so moving back to Michigan. Now I'm living in this house across from my grandma's, right?

And got this room downstairs. And this is, I'll say, I guess, one of the last things that happened. And still probably the strangest was, okay, so I'm asleep in this room downstairs. There's an upper level, too, where everyone else sleeps. But I'm asleep. I wake up, jolt awake again, and there's this light floating above me. Kind of like where your heart is, but like a foot and a half above me. And it's such a bright light.

Like, it illuminates my whole room. It's a bluish, whitish light. The whole room is lit up. And so, like, I think the light is what made me wake. up because it was so bright in there. You know, so I see this light kind of like, I don't know, maybe golf ball size, maybe tennis ball size just floating there. And so I try to reach out and grab it and it shoots up, straight up, through the ceiling,

and it's gone. And my room's dark again. And that's probably the strangest thing that happened. Because now I'm thinking, okay, was that an angel? if that was an angel what was that first entity I've seen then

that was clear because I felt like that was an angel so if that's an angel then what is this a light I just seen and what really makes it strange is my youngest brother

he lives in this house too and he told me that he's seen a light too like an orb and I asked him like what color is the light you know just joking around I was like

what was it green? He said, no, it's blueish, whiteish light. He said it literally was there. It lit up his whole room and then boom, it was just gone. I think that I'm in tune with this stuff. Like, I can see it because I think I'm eager to see it. I mean, I don't know. If something wanted to pop up, yeah, it scares me,

but I'm still like, I want to, I don't know, kind of interested in it. I want to know what's going on. So if a ghost came in my room tonight, I'd be like, whoa, that's crazy. I'm not going to hope it doesn't happen again. No, I hope I see another one. It's kind of cool. But I think it's weird that my littlest brother, he sees stuff too.

Like in his room upstairs, he's talking about he hears this laughing coming from his closet, which that trips me out already. He says it sounds like a little kid laughing in his closet. it. So I haven't heard no laughing, not light. And other other weird things, you know, like that don't even make sense. Not long ago, maybe a month or two, maybe three months ago, woke up and I've seen this huge spider on the ceiling. I'm talking about like two feet, two and a half feet. It was a huge spider. just crawling on my ceiling.

So, yeah, that I don't want to see. I'm good on that. I can see a ghost, but I'm not trying to see like a spider like that because I thought it was real. Yeah. But other than that, other than that, Tony, that's kind of the stories that I have that I've seen. And since that light, I haven't really seen anything. Yeah, well, I mean... It's been kind of calm.

Yeah, you've seen a lot of different stuff, man. And it seems like it's just really stemmed throughout your entire. life. Do you think that you're just somebody that happens to have an ability to see this stuff, or do you think that this stuff is, like, intentionally targeting you and showing themselves to you? That's a weird question, because, I mean, part of me feels like certain things were targeted, certain things. Other things I don't think were. So I think that that light was targeted, you know? Like, it was floating right above me. I think that targeted me, and I think that the demonic thing that was standing over my girlfriend, I think that was targeting her.

Other than that, everything else, I think it was just there, and I was able to see it. And I think that if they realize that I can see it, like they're like, oh, crap, and they disappear, you know? Like they're not supposed to be seen or they don't want to be seen or something like that. But I don't think that any of the other ones were targeted. I think they're just there. I think everywhere, you know, in everyone's house. Could be in your house one day. It could be three streets over the next day.

I think they just travel. I don't know. I don't think there's no specific person that they're trying to go after. I think they're just trapped. You know, maybe they just come into my house this night to see, like, what's going on in this. house and then I wake up I see it and they're like oh how did you see me and they disappear so I think it has to do with like energy you know everything is energy like our soul is energy or spirit or whatever

the way that we think in our brain it's all brain waves it's all energy so I think it has to do with that like their energy is still here and we can't see them because like, how do I say this? Like, we have human bodies, you know, like physical bodies. We have eyeballs to be able to see. And our eyeballs can only see this spectrum of light and colors. But we can't see what's beyond that because we're human. That's like hearing.

You know, Tony, that you can only hear from 20 hertz to 20,000 hertz. but what else is going on at 40,000 hertz that we can't necessarily hear because we have human ears. So I think it's there, but since we're human, we can't really perceive it. And some people can for some reason.

And I think that the times where I've seen things like that, it's because like my body is kind of shut off at that point, you know? And if I'm a sleep, my body shut off and my energy is there's people who say they can astro project and that's an energy of some sort if they really can who am i to doubt them but if they can astro project then it's got to be energy so i think that all of these entities or whatever it's just energy it's all it's here it's all around us we can't see them because we're human that's how i feel Well, you can. I say I can't, but you can.

Well, I think maybe you could. I think people can, but we're just, you know, like if, if I've seen things like this, I'm going to be aware of it. Like, I don't know how to explain that to you. Like, I'm aware. Like, I know that I might see this or I might pay more attention to that. And if you've never seen anything, then you don't know kind of like what to look for or what to pay attention to. Maybe. things have been right in front of your face, but you don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I think that's a common thing that things are right in front of people who they just don't know it. Did you ever think about next time you see something like this, not reacting to it and just observing it from trying to be discreetly observing it to see if it actually goes away or not? I mean, the first time that I've seen something, I was so terrified. That's all I did was observed.

I didn't, I wouldn't move. I was so scared that I couldn't move anything. I just watched it. The light that I seen, I wasn't really scared. You know, it was floating above me. I wasn't really scared. I was more interested, like, what is this? So I reached out for it.

So, yeah, if I see something else, I mean, it depends. You know, I just, like I said, I feel like I seen a spider not long ago. And that, no, I'm, I ran out of the room. I'm not observing that. But if I see something else, yeah. If I see another entity, I don't know. Me personally, I think it'd be interesting to try to have a conversation. I don't know how well it would work, but...

Well, I mean, you seem like the kind of guy that's going to experiment if you can. So if you ever do have the chance to do something like that, I would like to hear if you were successful. Yeah. Like I said, if I see something... My first instinct, I might be kind of freaked out, but I could try, you know, but I think it's all kind of like luck. I can't go try to see something tonight. It just kind of happens, you know? Yeah.

I mean, you're not the spirit summoner. You're just the spirit observer. Yeah. That's cool, man. That's cool. So, yeah, like I said, if something were to happen again tonight, like I would. probably like welcome it, you know, like that's okay. I know it's not going to be. So, I mean, nothing has hurt me. So I mean, I would welcome it in a way just to kind of like try to

understand it more. Never see anything again. It's, I don't know, it's been months and months now. Yeah. Well, uh, the fact that you've seen so much throughout your life, then I would say that there's at least a good opportunity more you have a better chance than a lot of people. to see something again. I would say that. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, I think also, though, I mean, right now I've got a real bad chance

because I work night shifts, so I don't know. I don't, the only time I could possibly be asleep during those hours is on the weekend. So it's, I don't know, I think it'd be tough to see something nowadays. And then also, I think, when I think about some of the stuff,

A lot of the things that I've seen were like in bad times in my life. When I was younger and I first seen the first thing, you know, it's kind of a rough time in my life. Everything else that I've seen is always in a bad time in my life. Like things were going rough. So I think if things are going good, you know, and I'm mentally okay, like I think I have a less of a chance of seeing something. but I guess things were going okay when I seen that late.

I won't say they were going great, but they were going okay. But I remember one of your episodes on here, I heard somebody say that, and it kind of clicked for me, you know, like when I seen this, it was a bad time in my life. So maybe it's like I said, an energy thing. Like you have a bad energy right now, so you're attracting this sort of energy. I don't know.

Yeah, well, I mean, that's definitely something that is, I would think, a possibility. And not, I don't think it's so simple. Like, you kind of, what you just said seems really simple. But I think that things that are going on in your life, depending on what you have going on, do attract or even sometimes invite activity into your life. And so I would say that I would agree with you on that statement. But I'll tell you what, Wes, I appreciate you sharing your stories, man. It's been a good time.

Yes, sir. Thank you, Tony. It's been awesome, man. Well, that's sure, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. It's the best thing you can do to help the show grow. It's just share it with your friends anywhere and everywhere.

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