The Confessionals - RELOADED | 292: Cemetery Reaper

Episode Date: February 17, 2025

In Episode 292: Cemetery Reaper, we talk first with Jennifer, followed by a second interview with Mitch. Jennifer shares her encounter in a cemetery one night, when she and her friends came face to face with what she called 'the grim reaper.' After Jennifer's story, we talk to Mitch about his vast amount of paranormal experiences, including a time when he was in a marine boot camp and had an interaction with his dead grandfather.Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducer

Merkel. I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine? Kind of a Dolion? Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves. Time travel is possible.

This was all circulating around the base that, The giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. Beech up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this.

somebody else shoot him in the face shoot him in the face they basically decapitating feel something pulling at my leg and i look over and there are two small gray entities pulling at me and they're literally i'm getting pulled off the bed i reached my hand into this bush and i touch air couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because i know i'm seeing a monster okay i reloaded yep welcome to the show everybody you're listening to the I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionals at the Confessionals at the Confessionalspodcast.com. Or go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com. Hit the contact section and you can reach me that way as well. Either it works for me,

just get a hold of me. If you want more shows every week on Thursdays, we do release an extra show to members only on the website. So if you want to hear more of the confession, all the past previous member episodes and all the future ones go to the confessional's podcast.com hit the join button and become a member today. Now this week we have two people coming on the show. We have Jennifer and Mitch. Jennifer was with her friends in a cemetery and they came all together across the Grim Reaper. She talks about that experience first and then we bring on Mitch and he's going to be talking about his paranormal experiences as well. So let's get to Jennifer right now. Okay, today we got Jennifer on the show. Jennifer, how you doing?

I'm doing great. How are you? I'm doing fine. So you have some interesting experiences. And one of the experiences that I think we're going to get off to right in the beginning here is the Grim Reaper. I love hearing these types of stories. And it's not because I want to have the experience, but it's more of the fascination of people seeing something that looks like a Grim Reaper. Because my entire life growing up and stuff, I assumed that that was just a fictional character. But the more I do this show, the more I hear people talking about these characters that I thought were once fiction and they seem to be pretty real. So if you could, just kind of walk us into this experience that you were having with this Grim Reaper.

Well, I had moved to Panama City, Florida from Vegas, and I made some friends. And because I was working at Church's Chicken and, you know, the first teenager job. and we used to go to cemeteries at night just because i mean you're under 21 and you're in a beach town really what is there to do especially when the beaches close after sundown so um we just yeah we just go hang out in cemeteries and um there was this one called millville and um so my friends like yeah let's let's go and we park the car across the street and I'm thinking, I'm so weird with these people just going out in cemeteries. And, you know, we're just walking around and there's a lot of older tombstones.

And, you know, you're kind of getting a feel for, like, the history of the area. And one of my friends who was with us, because it was just two guys and myself, he didn't believe in supernatural anything. So he was just kind of there with him. us just for I guess the fun or the experience and um so he kind of just like stopped in an area and was looking at stuff and we kept walking and my friend says to me do you want to see what I call the one-way mirror and I was like one one-way mirror and he's like yeah you can see the entire cemetery from this one spot but you can't see into the spot from anywhere I'm like okay that's

crazy so we go over this one spot is by the gate and we're looking out and I mean you can literally see from edge to edge of this cemetery and he notices that there's like this light out in a certain spot and so he just gets out of the area and we start walking forward and he's like oh that must be new and I'm looking straight ahead and it looks like a statue with its handout stretched and it looks like there's Spanish moss coming off the statue. So I'm like, it can't be that new if it's already got stuff hanging from it. And our other friend is like walking towards us and walks probably about 15 feet from the

statue towards us. And I kind of do like this side to side motion. I'm like, wow, that's really cool. And then the statue moves and the hand lowers. And I'm like, okay, so there's another person here. And so me being at this point kind of stupid. And being like, oh, there's another person here. Let me go say hi to them.

She's a really bad idea. Just a little bit. So, you know, we start walking in that direction. I pull out my phone and this is like iPhone for like super old. And I'm looking at my battery power because I want to turn on my flashlight. And if it's like less than 20%, the phone will just die. And I'm looking, okay, 50%. So I go to flip on my flashlight to shine in that person's direction.

And my phone just dies. and so I notice the person's like touching a tree and they're so skinny. Their arms are so skinny poking out of this robe that they look bony and just and frail. And then they start like crouching around the tree and like touching the tree. And I can't hear anything. It's like dead silence coming from this person. And there's like leaves on the ground. There's pine needles like I should hear crunching as this person moves.

but I hear absolutely nothing. And so I'm like, well, it's kind of rude not to say hi to somebody when they say hi to you. And still no response. So we just keep going closer. And we get about five feet away. I'm directly in front of it

and my two guy friends have moved off to my right a little bit. And I realize that the reason why this person looks so bony thin is because that is a skeleton hand touching the tree. And I see little wisps of hair coming out from underneath the robe and I'm like, okay, this is too much right now. And my friend goes,

Jen, look. And I noticed the gleam from, I don't know if it's called a sight or a sigh, the arched or sickle, whatever it's called, across the lap. And I just, I like lost. complete composure and I was like okay we're out of here and um we wound up in the parking lot

next to where we worked for about an hour thinking about this and talking it over like trying to make sure that we saw the same thing that something was actually there and it wasn't just a person like messing with us and um it was I mean it was very scary to like look back on even now. And like I've talked to them maybe a few times since I moved away and I still get the chills. And I went back there like about six months later

and the spot where the Grim Reaper was, there was a tomb that the tree had grown into and had cracked the cement top open. So the tree grew into a tomb, cracks the cement top open. Did you notice that beforehand? Like when you were there, was it too dark to notice that? It was too dark to notice it. Okay. So how tall was this thing? I mean, you get five feet within this thing. My God, that's close. I mean, when you're telling the story, I'm thinking to myself,

like, okay, they saw it from, you know, 100 yards away, maybe 100 feet away, but five feet away, I mean, my Lord. I was no more than 50 feet away to start off with. Unbelievable. How tall was it? honestly, I want to say maybe six foot. That's why at first I thought it was a person or a statue. Okay. So in my head, I'm thinking it's got to be like, you know, nine feet tall and stuff. But that would kind of give it away that it's something. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And this thing was definitely trying like at first, I'm pretty sure it was trying to blend in with the surroundings. Yeah. Well, I mean, so it has its hand stretched out towards you. I think you described it as pointing towards you or something. I mean, that's classic Grim Reaper right there.

I mean, that's just, what you picture is a Grim Reaper pointing at whoever it wants. Did it have like a staff or something in its hand? Or was it just, you know, in this weird cloak? It was, it was in a weird cloak. I didn't, if it was holding the staff prior, I hadn't noticed. It was when it was laying across the lap that I saw the gleam of the blade. Oh, that's right. That's right.

You did see the blade. Oh, man. Now, okay. So have you ever looked into the Grim Reaper and, its origins at all after this experience? I have not. I'm actually kind of scared of what I'll find out because of what I've seen. See, and I haven't either. And I need to now because, like, thinking about it, I just, I'm thinking to myself, I wonder, like, the Grim Reaper and where it comes from. I mean,

did they, did somebody see this thing and start documenting it or maybe many people? And they started documenting it and it just kind of got passed down. You said that there was, like, hair coming out from the sleeve, right? coming out from the hood. So do you think it was like a skull with hair on it? Like a dead person's skull with hair on it? I didn't see its face. It was pitch black under the hood.

So I have no idea. I just saw like these little wisps of hair. And I'm like the image in my head was yes, a skull with just like hair stuck to it. It just freaked me out. Yeah. You know, I know you wouldn't do this. And I probably wouldn't either. but I really wish somebody would challenge this thing.

Like I wish you could just like, I don't know, push it or something just to see what would happen. Like you're with a bunch of people. Would you have died? Would you have all died or I don't know? But it's just, you know, because I hear about this thing. And what you just described, it sounds very physical. But it's obviously a paranormal type thing, you know?

And it's just like I'm so fascinated by what this thing is that people are seeing. Yeah, and it's, I mean, literally the sound, there was no sound coming from it, which was the oddest feeling, because you can hear the sound of like, I mean, it's summer, so you can hear the sound of like animals around you or crickets and stuff. But in this one spot is just void of everything. Yeah, that's really interesting. And what's your friends? I mean, did they ever talk about it again? Do you guys ever talk about it every once in a while and stuff? Or is it something that you guys just kind of let it go and didn't. really, you know, bring it up after the initial experience? We brought it up a few times. And kind of just like, you know, remember that one night kind of stuff and like, oh, we're all, you know, we're all surprised me. None of us are dead. Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's the stuff that gives you nightmares. And I mean, I'm assuming, I mean, I shouldn't assume, but did you ever have any nightmares from this experience? I did. I did. I'd have dreams that I'd be, like, driving through the cemetery. because this happened right through the road that goes straight through it into an actual neighborhood. And I would sometimes have dreams that I'm like driving in my car would just stop next to that spot

or that I was in what my friend called the one-way mirror. And I would be staring at it and it be coming towards me. But I always wake up like before it could get anywhere near me or touch me. Yeah, I'm glad you're waking up before that. So this one-way mirror and stuff, remind me, I know you were talking about it, but could you describe what your friend was talking about again with this whole idea of the one-way mirror? I think he might have meant like a one-way window or something, but he called it a mirror for some reason. So it's right along the fence and it's surrounded by trees and bushes. But you can see the

entire cemetery from the spot, but if you're standing outside all those trees, you can't see into the spot. Okay. Okay. So it was a very physical thing. It wasn't some kind of mystical thing that he was like doing Harry Potter stuff. No. Okay. Just making sure. I got to cover all the bases here, you know. You never know. I've asked questions before where I thought that people were going to give me an answer and they totally gave me a home run left field answer. I was like, whoa, didn't expect that one. So, but you know, this isn't the only thing that you've experienced. You've had an experience where I guess you lived in a haunted house, right? And you had experiences in there? Yes.

Yeah, this house was, it was something else. Well, go ahead and tell us about it. So my father was very in love with this woman. She's, both of them have ever passed away now. So I don't have any problems stating their names. Her name was Arlene. She was a wonderful woman. She had muscular dystrophy.

but she was, I guess, the first, like, mother figure I ever really had. And she had a daughter who was mental, well, I don't know what to call it. Mentally handicapped, mentally, yeah. And she also had muscular dystrophy. And she was, I mean, she was an awesome sister because even though we were 10 years apart, we were still in the same headspace age-wise. Um, yeah. So they bought this house in, uh, in Las Vegas and, uh, they moved from Bayonne, New Jersey.

And it was, uh, my stepmom, her father, who was kind of like a hermit. He like never left the house. And her daughter. And we were living in Henderson at the time. And we were drive up to see her. And we had made this plan that after her father had passed away, my dad and I would move in and we'd be a family. And so I'm around like 12 or so and, you know, I had feelings about this house since I was like eight years old. Like I felt like something about it wasn't right, but I just never

really said anything. And after my stepmom's father passed away, I would still hear him coming down the hallway because he would drag his feet and I could still I'd be laying um because I slept on the floor in my stepsister's room and I would just hear like the feet just moving and I'd get real freaked out and I was so happy the door was closed um and then we wound up moving in and I was in the bathroom which is all the way down the hall from the living room because my bedroom and the bathroom at the end of the hall. And I'm just, you know, teenage girl stuff looking at my face, cleaning my face. And I hear my father call my name.

So I go out down the hallway around the corner and like, you call me because my dad wasn't the type of person you yell what to. He's one of those types of people you call, he calls your name. You go to him. Yeah. If you say what, you're pretty much looking for getting your feet. So went down the hall and I was like, just you call me? He said, no. I said, are you sure? Yeah, I'm pretty positive. And I was like, you're not just messing

with me. He's like, why would I do that? I was like, okay. So, you know, I noticed, okay, so he's fully engrossed in his TV show. So I start him back down the hall. And I hear my name again, except instead of it coming from the living room, it's coming from the air vent just outside my bathroom. And it freaked me out so bad. And I told my dad about it. He never truly believed in this stuff, but it did scare him for me because he was worried about the things that I would experience. And so, you know, he was, I told him about the voice and he said, whatever it is, just don't answer it. And it can't bother you. And I said, well, you don't believe in this stuff. You don't know the answers. And he said, just don't acknowledge it. I said, okay. But I would get chills

every time I'd go under this, this vent. And I would always like going into my bathroom, I'd look back at it or going into my room just across the hall and I'd still look at it, like making sure that I couldn't see anything coming out of it. But it happened a few times where just out of that specific vent, I would hear my name. And I had another encounter where it was right about Christmas because I was wrapping some presents in my room. And my dad worked nights, so he was gone.

He usually left like right before the sun went down because he was a truck driver, but locally for a cement company out in Vegas called Apex. And he would be home like way after I went to school and he just, you know, sleep all day and then head out again. So just be me and my step sister. And I just remember I was wrapping presents and I go back in my dad's room to put the wrapping paper in his closet. And this was like one of those sliding mirror closet doors. And when I'm walking into his room, I notice a black bag in the corner. And I'm thinking, oh, I bet my presents are hiding in there.

And I'm like, I'm not going to mess with it. Because I did that a few years prior, and he caught me with a flashlight looking through a bag. And so I just put the wrapping paper back. But while I was in the closet, I heard like a shuffle. And it sounded like it was coming from the bag. And so I'm thinking, okay, you know, whatever is stacked in there just fell over. It's fine. Like, just leave the room.

And as I'm closing the mirror, I notice that the bag is no longer, you know, on the floor. It is this, like, straight line standing up. And I'm just staring at it in the mirror. And it kind of reminded me of, like, it's going to be, like, the dumbest thing. But if you've ever watched a Marilyn Manson music video and he wears, like, this long, black dress. That's exactly what it reminded me of. Without a face. Just all the

crooked standing up with like the back kind of hunched and it just I didn't know like to scream or to just fall to the floor so I just stared at it for like probably a good minute

before my step-sister came down the hall and she's like, are you okay? I was like, yeah, I'm fine. and then I can't remember what time of year this one happened but my sister is probably about 3 o'clock in the morning

and my sister was already in the bathroom and I'm like I have to go so I go down the hall to my dad's room and again he's working so I'm just washing my hands and as I'm turning away from the sink, I see the reflection of a girl by the towel rack, but like the, the, the very, um,

creepy long black hair that you get from like the grudge or the ring girl in a dress, you know, very, you know, cliche. And she's just looking at me. And I still go over the towel rack to dry my hands, but I get out of there as fast as I can. And I'm thinking like, okay, so whatever this is, because that experience happened after the bag. And I'm thinking whatever this is, the closest thing I can like relate it to is Harry Potter's bogart or the bogart in the closet or whatever it was. Sure. Taking on something that I fear, you know.

Yeah. And, you know, the house just has a lot of, it's had a lot of darkness around it, because everybody who lived in the house prior to me and my dad moving in, like my stepmom's father, he had passed away, and then my stepmom got sick living in the house, and her muscles eventually gave out, and she went to the hospital, and then she passed away. And then even my step-sister, you know, she just starts screaming.

I mean, this girl never screams. She's very quiet. And she just starts screaming one day. And she's in pain. And she goes to the hospital and she passes away. And so my dad said, okay, you know, the mortgage is too expensive for us to live here on our own. And I feel like if we stayed here, if we stay here, somebody's going to wind up dead. So we need to move.

And I said, okay, cool. I am completely fine with that. Yeah, I would be completely fine with that as well. I mean, having those experiences there and stuff. I mean, so I guess with your mother or your stepmother and sister, do you feel like the house and what was in it had anything to do with their passing away? I do. Because my stepmom, even with her muscular dystrophy, I mean, she was able to, you know,

walk up and down the hall. she had one of those electric recliners that went all the way up so she was able to get out of it like she could walk I mean it was difficult for her but for her knees to just give out in the middle of the night and for her not to be able to move her legs period um was just very strange and you know I think she knew something was there because she was she was sensitive to stuff too and she sometimes she'd be like I just sometimes I don't like it here at night and I was like Hmm, okay. So she never gave you a reason as to why she just said she didn't like it?

Yeah. She would just, you know, sometimes I don't like it here at night. And I'm like, I never kind of like pushed her for it because I think I didn't want to know. Well, I think you probably already knew, you know? Yeah, at that point. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. Even the Marilyn Manson comparison, I know exactly what you try.

Believe it or not, people probably don't believe this, but. I'm a huge Manson fan. Like I, I love that music. And, uh, you know, being a Christian,

people are like, you're going to hell for listening to that music. I'm like, ah, it's good music. I get that too because also a Christian, but I mean, nine times out of 10 outside of,

um, my job, which I'm, uh, a vet assistant. I'm wearing camo jeans. I own like seven pairs of cowgirl boots. And when people hear that,

I used to be a huge fan and I still, you know, listen to his music every now and again. They're like, oh, I would have never, I would have never guessed. You seem like such a, you know, such a redneck. And I'm like, oh, no. I like him. I mean, the same thing with me. I mean, like, everybody thinks that I just listen to hip hop or EDM.

And it's like, I literally listen to everything. I truly do. Like, I listen to country music. I listen to anything that I feel like listening to. And there's times that I'm in the mood for some Manson. And, you know, I'll probably play him for an outro for this show. You know, so. I love him.

Yeah, yeah, he's, he's something else. I mean, he's a character, that's for sure. I mean, I think he's a little sketchy and stuff. I wouldn't want to hang out with him, but the music's... Oh, absolutely not. Music's on point, so... I actually played one of his songs today at work because the song, Tated Love had come on because you were listening to some like old school radio.

And I looked at one of the girls and was like, have you ever heard the Marilyn Manson version of this song? goes, what? He has a version of this song. Oh, yeah. So I played it. Yeah, that's a good, listen, that might be a better one than the original one, honestly. Yes, I, I like it better than from the original. I even like it better than the pussycat dolls version of it too. I'm not sure if I heard that one before, but I would imagine so because I'm not a huge fan of the the dolls. So, but listen, Jennifer, I appreciate you sharing these experiences and stuff. And, before we roll out of here, with this house, do you think that this, whatever it was,

maybe it was more than one thing in the house, I'm not sure, but do you think that any of this followed you at all throughout your life, or do you think it was a one specific location, you move in, stuff was happening, you leave, it's done? Honestly, because I've had more experiences later on in my life, I don't know. Nothing similar to that. But I have tried to reach out to the people who own the house now, but I never have. got a response. Hold on a second. You've had other experiences after that? My life is full of experience. Oh, well, then we're not done yet. Talk to me. Well, I was just, you know, sometimes I'm like,

oh, well, I don't want to like talk too much. I don't want to talk to little. I know you said, you know, say what you need to say, but sometimes I can, I can talk too much. No, it's fine. Talk to me. What else happened? Well, and this is another house situation, but it wasn't my house. Um, I had a really close friend in high school who lost her dad in a motorcycle accident. And so she would routinely like kind of like have visits from him, which I mean, since my dad's passing, like I really wish that I had, you know, something similar to that. But like her brother had drawn this picture and there was like this dark figure off on the edge of the picture. And I said, well, who's that? He said, that's my dad.

And I was like, okay. cool beans that's great and my friend looks at me she's like no he comes around a lot and I was like I'm not sure if I'm okay with like the feeling of that because like

yes it's like it's her dad but at the same time like for me when people pass away it's not always them sometimes it can be a little bit darker and especially with that picture it definitely felt a lot darker so we're in her room and I've always been terrified at the dark

so she goes to turn on this little light box before we go to sleep and I just feel this heaviness in the room and I look and I'm just like is your dad here? And she's like yeah and I was like why does he feel so heavy and she's like he was a big man and I was like knowing his presence is heavy like it just felt like there was a weight on the room if that makes any sense and um her mom would hear knocking on her on her bedroom door from time to time and she would open it and she would like feel him I guess in a sort of sense or um there'd be knocking on like the actual door to the house and then

it would turn into pounding and they'd open the door nobody would be there but then like A few hours later, he'd go back to knocking on their bedroom door. He was trying to get in. And that kind of freaked me out because it wasn't just me. Like in my, I guess my imagination, like there was somebody else there confirming that this was happening. And then it was about a year and a half ago, I was doing security in the state building. for the state newspaper here in South Carolina. And I'd never gotten an eerie feeling working at night ever.

It was just, you know, go down to the basement, get the numbers off of, like, the big computers, take the temperature of the room, go back upstairs and go sit in, you know, the reception area. Except it was getting close to, I think it was Hurricane Florence. And so I was thinking like, oh, I'm just, you know, I'm just freaked out because there's a hurricane coming, but I kept feeling like somebody was watching me, like eyes on the back of my head. And so one of my friends who worked at the state, I had gone down to his office, I was like, man, I just don't feel easy. Like, usually every night, like, I'm cool, I'm calm, I'm collected here, like, nothing freaks me out.

But I feel like I'm being watched. And he's like, well, let me get back to you on that. I was like, well, what do you mean? He said, well, I'm going to get a hold of some of my friends who, who are in touch with this kind of stuff. And I'm like, oh, that's cool. Like, these are people I want to know. Maybe they could explain some stuff that's happened in my life.

Yeah. And so he winds up calling me a couple days later. And I was out of my porch. And, like, I started getting weirded out, even being out of my porch. I felt like something was watching me from the woods, like, over our fence. Just, like, looking at me. So I constantly, like, I grabbed what I call it. We call it a godlight.

It's just a really big maglight, flashlight. And so I'd like scan the edge of the fence because I was like, okay, somebody is either on the other side, like looking at me or there's like, oddly enough, Sasquatch looking at me or something, because I do believe in those. But I wouldn't see anything. And the night that it actually started raining in the hurricane was, you know, coming through. He calls me and he says, what are you doing right now? And I said, I'm in my house. I'm in my room. I'm watching TV. And he says, well, I figured out what you think is watching you.

And I said, okay, like, do I need to like prepare myself or whatever? And he's like, well, you're in your house and you have cats, right? And I was like, yeah, I got cats. And he's like, well, then you're perfectly fine. And I'm thinking, okay, so like he's BSing me right now or trying to make me feel better. He's just going to give me some off-the-wall story. And he says, there is something watching you. He said, did you used to have nightmares when you were a kid about a man in a hat and a trench coat? And I was like, how do you know? Because I don't, you know, this isn't something that I had really told anybody about. And he said, well, he's following you. He's watching you. And I was like, no, like, those were, those are dreams when I was.

like a kid, like, he's not real. And he's like, well, he, either he manifested from your imagination or he's been there all along. And he's like, he can't hurt you when you're in motion and he can't hurt you when you're asleep. And he most definitely can't hurt you in your house because demons are afraid of cats. And all I could think about was like, this is too far fetched. Like, I can't, I can't actually believe this. But then the next day at work, he drew a picture of what it looked like and it was the same thing that I had seen in my dreams that I was a kid.

Just this dark figure with like a wide brim black hat and a trench coat. So I'm assuming you freaked out at that point? Yeah. I freaked out very bad and I said get rid of it, get rid of the picture. If this thing is

really following me I need to get rid of it. and he actually still has a picture as far as I know still on his mini fridge in his office I don't know why he kept it it's beyond creepy and sometimes like if I'm out in the backyard I can still like it's only at night though I could like I sometimes like I can almost feel it to where I don't want to be out in the backyard

I actually for the longest time quit smoking so I wouldn't have to go out there at night. So you quit smoking because of paranormal activity? Yes, because I was so scared of being in my backyard. Yeah, well, I mean, hey, whatever it takes for you to quit. I mean, I had to quit myself. So for me, it was just, you know, wasn't paranormal. It was just me not wanting to die too soon.

Yeah. Well, kind of like backtracking a little bit. I was in the Navy for two and a half years. So smoking was kind of like the escape from work for about, you know, 10 minutes. You're like, oh, I'm going to go on a smoke break. You know, you get to get to walk away from whatever job you're doing for a little bit. So it became a very serious habit. Yeah.

Mine was just born out of pure boredom from driving truck. So, I mean, I smoked on and off throughout my entire life. Even in my childhood, I smoked. But, you know, when I started driving a truck, it's just like, I'm bored and I'm going to smoke. That's what it was for my dad to driving truck because he's driven for like major, you know, like two of the major companies that are cross country. And so he said he was just bored.

And then when he quit at the local company, he picked up smoking again, but I'm pretty sure like he would try to, you know, bullshit me, but I saw the cigarette butts like hiding in his car. I knew that he was still, you know, smoking every now and again. Yeah, it's a hard habit to kick. Hard habit to kick. But hey, if you're inspired by paranormal stuff, and I might make it a little easier. Just a little tip for anybody out there. Yeah, be wary. You go out in the backyard to smoke and something might actually get you. Yeah. I mean, so you're in South Carolina now, and I know, I can't remember it's South Carolina or North Carolina. It might be North Carolina.

It's been recently getting a lot of Bigfoot activity. Have you ever heard of, have any stuff going on down there as far as Bigfoot goes that makes you a little hesitant? There's a story here in the little town that I'm in because I'm just outside of Columbia. And my friend who grew up here, he told me about it. He said that something had come through the backyard and tore out like one side of their fence on their property and then left a hole on the other side. and people would swear that it was like a panther or a cougar or something, but he said he thinks he thinks it might be, you know, a big foot because there's a lot of forest out here.

And his uncle also on the property had like these raccoon, um, catchers because they were supposedly like, they were being really, you know, loud at night and knocking over trash and just making a mess and he wanted to get rid of them. but the next morning when he went out to go get the raccoons out of the traps, they were ripped to shreds by something. And so they believe it was a big foot that ate them and ripped them up. Well, I mean, if they were going after the same thing he was going after,

he might do that. But I don't know why he wouldn't just eat those. I mean, that's easy. It's like a freaking pop tart, you know? Interesting. Well, I mean, he was the, my friend's uncle wasn't. and after him to eat him. He was after him to get rid of him. But I guess this big foal, that was his dinner. Oh, so you're saying, like, they were torn pieces, like they were actually in pieces?

Yes. Yes. Like blood everywhere, kind of torn to pieces. Okay. Like something was eating them. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Well, I know those things are down there as far as North Carolina goes. You know, let me ask you this question. South Carolina, is it much more rural than North Carolina is? I want to say they're about the same. Because I mean, I've driven through North Carolina and I've been down here for the last five years. I feel like it's about the same.

Okay. Yeah, because I get a lot of people who live in North Carolina contacting me and stuff, but South Carolina, it's very far, far in between. I don't get a ton of people from South Carolina. I just didn't know if maybe the population was that much lower than North Carolina. I think it also has something to do with people from North Carolina. Carolina, I feel like they're a little bit more open-minded. And there's also a lot more mountains up there. I mean, but that's besides the point of the open-mindedness. But I mean, and people down here,

they're so quick to dismiss it. So it could either be the small-mindedness versus the open-mindedness or the fact that North Carolina has mountains and South Carolina doesn't. Geographically speaking, that's a very real possibility. I mean, if the habitat's better up north, that's where they're going to be, right? Yeah. And, I mean, they get snow and everything too down here, not so much. That's so interesting.

It's the next state down and you don't get as much snow as the north. That's interesting. But, you know, I guess it makes sense. I mean, the further south you go. But, yeah, I'm telling you, these experiences, I'm telling you what, your first experience with the Grim Reaper? Ah. I mean.

Yeah. what do you say to that? I mean, it's like one of those things where you saw what you saw, you saw it with other people so you know you're not crazy. I'm assuming you're probably glad that you saw it with other people because it kind of backs up your claim. I'm pretty sure if I would have saw it myself, I probably just would have dropped to the ground in the fetal position. But also if I was by myself, I wouldn't be running around a cemetery either. Yeah, that's true. I mean, well, some people do it by themselves. But yeah, I think if I would saw by myself, I would have been really concerned about, you know, am I going crazy? Did I really

see that? All that stuff. All those normal questions people have and stuff in their head. So, you know, it's probably best that you did see it with other people and stuff and that they all confirmed that they saw it. Nobody's like, no, I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't see anything. That would be the worst. I always hate it when I hear stories where people are like, you know, they're talking about it and other people are there, but then they turn around and they deny it. And I'm like, why? Because that just makes you feel so much more crazy. Well, thank you, Jennifer, for coming on the show and sharing your experiences. Now, let's get to Mitch right now.

Mitch, how you doing, man? I'm doing good. All right, good, man. So you and I just spent some time talking and stuff, and I appreciate you being patient because I was actually late for this interview because I was stuck in a line at Walmart, or not Walmart, Home Depot. I swing over there to get some sealant from my basement wall, and there's a line wrapping around the corner of the building because they only let like 70 people in

the story at one time and six-foot disson. between everybody, so it was a long line, but I appreciate you being patient, man. Yeah, no problem. So you have many different, different paranormal experiences throughout your life, stemming back to around five or six years old, and we're just kind of work through it chronologically today. So let's start off with the five to six year old range where you saw, I guess, a shape of a man somewhere in the house, right? Yeah, it was right at the time, my grandpa, I just died. And it was right about at the time.

I remember as a kid, just being confused, not knowing what had happened. And I can't tell you, I wasn't really old enough to be close, close with him, but, you know, he had an impact on me. And it was that time, and I was laying in bed, and I woke up and I looked out and there's like a figure, but it was like glowing. And it wasn't scary, scary, but just not understanding. It was just looking in it in my mom and dad's bedroom. It was actually my mom's dad that had died.

And I just sat there looking at it. And I don't know what to say. That's all it did. I just saw this figure standing there. I told my mom about it later. And she was like, you know, you didn't see nothing. You know, you didn't, you know, whatever. You were dreaming.

I was like, no, mom, I wasn't dreaming. But like, what can you say? You're a kid. Yeah. And I mean, that's all that I remember. And like listening to your show has helped me recall some of that stuff that you kind of like, you know, you're just told, you know, ah, you didn't see nothing. You went to, you know, you were dreaming.

It was that didn't happen and that kind of stuff. You're like, well, wait, yeah. You're working and thinking about it. I'm like, yeah, listening to the show and listening to people. I'm like, oh, yes, this stuff did happen to me. and I don't know how much to say about that, but it was the same, you know, right about the same time and that same,

that I had a nightlight in my bedroom, and you know how the nightlight would shine on the wall, and it would just make the nightlight shape. Well, another night I woke up, and that night light was in the shape of a cookie cutter angel. And I'm like, told my mom about it. You know, you put the blank stove, your head and then you, you know, look again and you keep doing that back and forth to see if it's

really there. And every time that that angel was on the wall, and I don't know what to make about that, you know, and that happened one time. That's all, thought that's all that happened. I told my mom about it, and she said, oh, it must be the lights from outside that were reflecting. And like, mom, the blinds were down. There's just the, you know, there's the nightlight that was making that shape. You know, and she just, you know, kind of like, I'm busy, you know, that didn't happen or whatever. You were dreaming.

Again, you were dreaming. Yeah. That seems like a very common thing with parents and little kids, especially parents who don't give credence to these kind of things. It's just like, oh, you were dreaming. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't want to deal with it or, you know, I don't know what to deal. And I, you know, I guess she didn't know how to deal with it or, you know, didn't know what to say. And yet I know that, you know, she's probably had similar things, you know, that they've experienced. They just don't, maybe it's that older generation, didn't want to talk about it or they don't want to deal with it. Yeah, and then it was right around that same time later on. It was, you know, maybe a year later or six months later that the timeline isn't really there.

But me and my friend were walking back home to our houses and we lived, you know, a couple doors down from each other. and we saw like all of a sudden in the sky above our heads was like the best way to describe it would be like a well if you call it an orb or it looked like just like a mini little sun but it wasn't as bright as the sun but it was just up there kind of just glowing you know and just kind of like you picture the sun going and we both looked at it and you know we're just sitting there staring and then all of a sudden you know with how kids when you get scared and all of a sudden you get that fear and you just bolt.

Yeah. And my friend, he, he just took off running and I'm like, I guess I didn't have enough sense to realize I should be scared. But I picked up on the fear that he had had and then I was scared and he went run into his house.

His house was first and I went running to my house and I ran in the house because it was time to eat. And, you know, I'm telling my mom about it. She's like, you know, what's wrong with you? You know, what's wrong? What's wrong?

And of course, she said, you didn't see anything. There's, you know, like, what was that? And then I got done eating. I went back down to down to my friend's house. And he was out in the yard with his mom and dad. And they were being really weird. And his dad was like one of these guys, kind of like the nice neighbor dad, the super nice guy.

You know, you bring your bite. over there and he would fix the flat and he would do this stuff for you you know you couldn't ask for a nicer dad and I remember going over there and saying hey what did you think about that and his mom came at me and she was really stern and she's like he's really

he was really upset by that and I don't want you to talk to him about it I don't want you to say anything but I was like well what was it you know just trying as a kid you know you're sick seven years old trying to figure out what this was.

And then his dad came over, he said, well, you saw a weather balloon. I'm like a weather balloon. I'm like, there's no balloon part. There's no, yes. Wouldn't it be a kid trying to think, oh, a balloon, well, there should be a balloon

shape. There should be something. And I said it's not a balloon. Well, this, my friend's dad got really angry with me and he He told me you saw a weather balloon. I don't want you talking to him about this anymore. In fact, you need to go home.

You need to leave. I just remember being really confused about that whole situation and not knowing, you know, what do you, I didn't have the mental capacity to really know what was going on. And there's no internet. There's nothing, you know, to look at. So I just was left wondering. And it's kind of you stuff that, you know, stuff that in the back of your mind and listening to some of the shows and listening, especially to, you know, your show and Wes's show and talking about the orbs and this kind of stuff. It's like, wait a second, yeah, these things are, there might be something to them. Nothing happened, nothing except for our fear and not understanding what was going on.

Do you think that the parents were like that towards you because of their son's reaction? So in a sense where maybe they didn't know what it was, but all they knew is that their son was terrified and they're trying to calm him down. So they're telling him it was a weather balloon and they didn't want you ruining that cover story? I think that's what it was because he was more upset about it, but than I was. I was just kind of like, I don't know what just happened. And, you know, I guess maybe I was a little more dense or something. I don't know what to say. But, you know, you're just kind of like, I don't, you know, huh, I don't know what's happening.

And he was very, very upset about it. And like it was, he was upset to the core. And I think it, I, I, part of me is like, I think it's a faith type of thing. Or like, I've always known I'm a Christian. I haven't had like this moment where I've, you know, here I am. I've turned myself old, you know, I haven't had that kind of moment that people talk about, but I've always just kind of known, if that makes sense. And I think that's protected me my whole life is what the only thing I've been able to figure out

as I've been able to look back on some of these things. And I think that was just part of what had happened. And I think I had a protection where I wasn't having that fear. And that's really, as I've gotten older, the only way I can make sense of that. Yeah, well, that makes sense. Yeah, and that's, I guess that's the only way I can, I can, you know, make sense to the other stuff. And I even then I look back as far as far as seeing the angel in the room. And I think, you know, that kind of stuff.

I'm like, I think that was, as I've been older and looking, and I'm like, I think those are just, you know, know, outward displays of, hey, I got you. You know, you're covered. You may not understand, but, you know, your, whatever, there's like a supernatural protection over me that way. Yeah. It's, um, I can see what you're saying, man. I really do. I, I think that it's almost like, uh, you had an innate sense of a reality that we live in a spiritual world. And so that's what it seems like. It seems like you just innately understood some of the spiritual aspects of this world and how it's real. And some people aren't on that kind of level.

And so when they face, when they're face with it, you know, face to face, they kind of freak out. Yeah. And I think you put it in better words than I can. I'm like, I don't know what, you know. But I think that's exactly it. You had an understanding that he didn't, an understanding, he had a calm that. he didn't have. And I actually kind of feel bad that he didn't have that, that he had to have that fear.

It's what, you know, I just wish he didn't have it. Yeah. Go ahead. I was going to say, yeah, I don't know what else to say about that. I'll let you kind of leave me on where we're supposed to go with things. Yeah, no, I think, I think it's really interesting. And the whole orb situation, I don't, I don't know what they are. I mean, you could say that there's spirits.

You could say that they're, I don't know. I mean, ball lightning. People say that it's ball lighting. And so, but one thing is for sure, people are seeing it. And it's, you know, on a level of people seeing it that you can't really deny that it's fake anymore because of the vast amount of people who are seen. I mean, I've seen similar things in the woods. I mean, I haven't, I wouldn't say it was like a ball, but I saw this light that was just

hovering inside the canopy. And it was just pulsating light. And I don't know what it was, you know? but it was interesting and it wasn't moving and never moved. It just kind of pulsated out and it was just gone. But speaking of the woods, I mean, you've had an experience where you were at camp

and something had happened to you guys right while you were canoeing. Yeah, we were up in, it was the Boundy Waters canoe area of Minnesota. And there's three of us in a canoe and we were fishing along the shore. And there's different lakes we can go to. And some lakes are populated with campsites and stuff. but then there's other lakes that you can portage into,

and nobody's camping on them, nobody's there. Then we were going fishing and we were looking, you know, we're trying to find a lake that there's no campers on trying to get more fish. And we're casting into the shore. So I want to say maybe we're 50 to 75 feet away from the shoreline. And the three of us, I mean, it was a perfect day, perfect sunny day, not too hot.

It's just one of those perfect days. and we're casting and all of a sudden there's a plop, you know, or just a, you know, a rock had been thrown. None of us, you know, we never saw anything. We didn't know anything, but all three of us were like, that was weird, you know. And I was probably 14 or 15 at the time, but all three of us were like, should we get out of here? You know, that's all we said. that's all we did, you know, like, we should probably leave, and we left. And it was just a rock that was thrown out.

And since I've been able to listen to Soft Watch Chronicles and your show, I'm like, reflecting back, I'm like, that was probably, in that same area, that same Boundy Waters area, there's, Wes has had interviews, and I think you have, too, about people in that area having experiences with Bigfoot. And I'm like, I wonder if that was a rock beach. thrown and you hear about them throwing them at people that are fishing. It's like, that was the whole story. I mean, that's all that happened. And we were all, none of us even knew how to process what, what it just happened.

Didn't make sense. We didn't hear anything. All we know was there is a rock, probably a little smaller than a basketball that was thrown and it was fairly close to our canoe. And it just, that was weird. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And now just listening to, you know, the stories, I'm like, okay, that's probably what it happened.

And none of us, you know, you grew up, you know, $6 million man and saw, you know, on Bigfoot and, you know, in search of and all those, you know, that kind of stuff. And like, I bet that's what's, that's probably what it was. You know, and the more I've listened and the more you start to understand, it's like, That's what I think it happened. My kids think I'm crazy. What I told them? They're like, dad. Yeah, but they all started listening to, you know,

they start listening to your show and Wes's show. So I was like, well, there's more to it. And, you know, you can't just dismiss this stuff. And, you know, not everybody could be crazy out there. Yeah. You know, there's some stuff that we can't, that you just can't deny it. And that was that.

And then later on, when I was 18, I went to, I had joined the Marines and I was at boot camp. And, you know, we were out in the field. We're doing, you know, there's a lot of hiking and that kind of stuff. And my whole body had started to, we're essentially, I just call it camping. You're in the field. And my whole body, because I was so dehydrated, had started to, like, seize up when you're, You get the cramps from not getting enough water or not getting the electrolytes you need. And it was at night and my whole body was seizing up.

And I don't know if you call it a hallucination or what it was, but there's this figure that woke me up. And the figure kind of, I didn't see. It was more just kind of like a, you know, it's nighttime. It was just a figure. I didn't see complete shape or anything, but when he talked, he talked like my grandpa that had died, you know, when I was younger. And he said, you need to get up and you need to, you know, use the bathroom. You need to get some water.

You need to do this and, you know, you need to do these things. And I was in a, I was in a rough state. I was like, I was not physically well and I didn't want to, like, get health. held back because you, you weren't, you know, you couldn't make it. And then I, I couldn't graduate with my platoon, but he'd waking me up. And we were walking. We walked to the bathroom. We walked to get some water. I drank, you know, I don't know how many canteens of water and had some salt. And I was just talking with them. We were just talking and it was just like I was walking with my grandpa. And then I went in to use the bathroom and I said, are you going to be here when I'm

gone? He's like, don't worry. I'll. I'll be here. But I came out and he wasn't there. But I always thought, well, somebody has always been with me. Or it just kind of had that feeling like, you know, I'm always being watched over or, you know, just kind of. I don't know what's making of it, Tony. I'm like, just kind of have that, just that confidence knowing that, hey, somebody. there's you know

if I don't know if it's if it's Jesus you know I don't know how to describe that that type of situation but that had happened to me when I was 18 and then moving on from there

Gulf War I had happened and I was in the actually in the Marine Reserve so I'd been working part time at a gas station and you know, it got called, we got activated to go to the war, and I was really tired of dealing with the family drama of me going to war and me doing this and me doing that.

And I'm like, I picked up all the hours I could at the gas station that, you know, just to get away from all the, I was just kind of, I guess I was being selfish. Not, you know, it's like I just wanted to get away from it and I wanted to be, I didn't want to deal with that kind of stuff. Well, at that point in time, there's, there's like this assistant manager that was working at the gas station.

And we're talking, I was telling him what's going on. I said, yeah, I've been activated. He was, you know, he was talking to be, I don't even remember what his name was, but his name was Joe or something like that. And we're sitting outside talking, and he told me that he'd been in Vietnam.

And we're talking. And then we were talking, having a cigarette, and he asked me, I said, he's like, are you scared? I said, yes, I am scared. And then he said, well, you know, do you believe in Jesus? And, you know, it's weird, I just kind of like, you know, you're like, it's like you have that hesitation moment. I'm like, well, yeah, I believe in Jesus. He's like, well, then don't worry about it. You're going to be fine.

do like, okay, I'll just take it at that. And that was the end of the conversation. We went about our work and did our stuff. Well, I went over to the war. I was actually part of the whole theater of operations we were there. And when I got home, I went back to the gas station, and I asked about seeing this guy. And the manager of the gas station said,

I don't know who you're talking about. And I was like, well, yeah, he, he was here as an assistant manager right before I left. And he's like, no, there's nobody, you know, he was, he was never here. There's, I don't know who you're talking about. And again, I was like, okay, that's just, I didn't say anything more, but I was like trying to, who was I talking to that? You know, I, I don't know what, what that was. but hey, I'll take it.

Somebody told me and they said, you're going to be fine. I'll take it at that. And then during the, during that wartime, um, I don't know if you're, are you old enough to remember the whole footage of that first golf

war? Uh, not really because I, I mean, I was, I was born in 85, so I mean, I knew,

okay, yeah, when I was a kid, I knew there was something going on and the idea of war and I had a, I had a, I had a very high, Hollywood idea of war, so I was always walking around scared, but I really didn't know what was going on. Well, at the time of the breach, you know, that's when we finally went into Kuwait.

We were going in, and I'll tell you, like, where Saddam Hussein had started the oil wells on fire, you can see the fire, you could see all the stuff. Well, we were on, before we went, started to go in, on one side of the line it was like a perfectly sunny day I mean if you're to like envision like a heavenly you know as far as what it was like just a really

nice day on this side and then we're starting to go into the breach or into the towards oil well and when you're going into there I'll tell you totally it looked like you're going into hell you know because you got these fires

and it's on one side it's all black, it's completely black and the foot is in the air and on the other side it was perfectly sunny, we were driving into that and I was scared, I was nervous. Like, okay, what's going? I, you know,

I don't know. It's like, I guess they're expecting us to die and like, yeah, this is what's going to happen. And I'll tell you, there's almost a line from the light to the darkness. And I'll drive in a train. truck and I'll drive in my truck across, I swear it was like right at that line. The second I

crossed that line, there's a bird that flew in front of me. And it was like, I want to say it was like a white dove type of bird. It flew right in front of my truck, right in front of the windshield. But it didn't land anywhere. It didn't go anywhere. It just flew right in front of me and it was gone. And at that point, I just, there's a, I had a complete calm. I'm like there's nothing I can do about this. Either way, if I live, I'll live my life. If I die, I know I'm going to be fine either way. And I was just able to go in, do what we had to do.

And I didn't, you know, I just didn't have, I had a calm that I would have never expected. All from that one bird. And I don't know what to make of that either, but it was all of that timeline. and then at the same time, I'd been, my wife, well, my wife, she was a girlfriend at the time. We had, you know, we were getting serious and I knew we were getting serious, but I'd had a dream at that time that there was a woman at a door and she opened the screen door and she let me in, let me into the house. And that's all I remember, but I just remember this woman at the door. and my wife would ask me, well, how do you know I'm the one? And I always thought it was my wife that was older in the dream that was opening the door.

But 25 years later, pardon me if I'm skipping around, 25 years later at our 25th wedding anniversary, I'd figured it out looking at pictures that it was her grandma that met me at the door in my dream and opened the door to let me into the house. And I was like, it wasn't you in the dream. It all made sense. I was like, it was your grandma that let me in. And her grandma had died, you know, shortly after I'd returned from the first Gulf War.

All that kind of stuff happened all about at the same time as far as that kind of stuff. But it's always stuck with me. and it's always just been I've always known it there it's there and I've talked about it I told my wife about it but

it was all right in the same timeline you do want me to keep going with what okay let me do that and then I know when my wife and I had we had gotten married

and I've bought houses remodeled them and did that, you know, you live in them for a while, sell them, you know, try to build another or build or remodel another house, try to do that. But there's one house of that bot, it was really bad. I mean, the realtor, it smelled so bad that the realtor wouldn't even go inside. I went inside and there's people that had been doing, it's like they were, it was a complete drug house.

they had dog crap around their beds, poop was piled up outside the toilet. I mean, this place was, this place was a wreck, and I was like, it's perfect. I love it. I want to buy it because I, you know, I couldn't afford a whole lot else. You know, I'm like, I don't want to make money. It's a good location, and it's going to be a good house. What I hadn't anticipated is, or I didn't have a clue, but when we moved into that house, my second son had been born.

And when we brought my second son home, I had a dog that would sleep under my son's crib all the time. And in the middle of the night, that dog would just be going nuts over something. It would just start barking at something and start going crazy. Like at the air, you know, something. And I go in the living room and start just going nuts. And I mean, this be like at midnight, two in the morning, different times in the morning.

Like, what are you barking at? The blinds are shut. So it's not seeing raccoons. It's not, there's nothing that made sense. Well, then one night in the middle of the night, I had this, I want to say a dream, but I had this dream like a snake was like trying to choke me out, like trying to get around my body. and I got out of the bed I smashed into the door

I was slamming into the hallway the kid's clay pan was out in the living room and I was wrestling with this I mean it was a big snake I was wrestling with the snake I'd smash him in the playpen destroyed the playpen and the whole time my wife and do you want me to tell you what she was saying

or just she kept screaming what the fuck are you What the fuck? She kept screaming the whole time. And I'm half in like this, this sleep state, half in this, you know, awake state. I'm, I'm wrestling with this snake. And finally, it's like after I'd been done wrestling, whatever, the snake was gone. And I was all bruised up.

I was banged up. I was all beat up. But whatever was going on was gone in the house. and like I have I you know as I've gotten older and I look back

I'm like I happen to think it was spirits that were left into that house that were left in that house from the you know the people that have been living there I think there's some weird stuff

and I you know I really wasn't equipped to know how to deal with it and I think that's that's what it uh that's the only thing that makes sense to me

is what it happened and think that wrestling, you know, the snake was, was an attack. And I can't say, you know, I don't, I can't say I have the spiritual prowiness to, to be able to take care of all that kind of stuff. But there's, there's kind of just a different, different thing about the whole house after that, just a different feeling. And I, it, again, I don't, you know, I don't know what to make of it, except for that's what. that's what had happened. Well, the son, my second son who'd been born,

we had later built another house and moved into another house. And I'll tell you, Tony, this kid, and I've got five kids, this son, he was out of control. He was like when it was bedtime, the kid was just, I mean, talked about wanting to pull your hair out. He was like, he was a kid that you just, I didn't know what to make of it. and it's like he had

these night tears and he would have these like just weird it's like the kid couldn't settle down going to sleep well one night my wife was saying prayers with him and I

this is more her story than my story but she'd said you'd had a good night last night and he told my wife he's like yeah and my wife was trying

to get some more information out of him and he said And my wife's like, well, what was going on? How come, you know, what happened? And he said, well, a man, I don't know how to tell the story, right? He's like, a man was here with me last night. And he said, Jesus slept with me last night. Finally came out.

And my wife was like, huh? You know, what's going on? And he was like, yes, he kissed me here, here, here. and my wife grew up Catholic and she said he'd made where Jesus had kissed him had made the sign of the cross and I'm probably getting the story wrong

but after that no problems with our son the son sleeping at night and no you know there's all that stuff those problems it's just say it was it was gone from him and he is

he's a strong believer he has a strong faith he always has he's always you know very i i don't know how to describe it but he's just i think there's some sort of like an attack on him or some sort of something and then he had that protection that that uh just took care of all that all that stuff for wow that's cool yeah it's just it's one of those another one of those things i i don't know what to make of it but You know, it happened. He told my wife about it.

He was, you know, too young to really, you know, know, know, know, know, know, know about that kind of stuff. And yet he, he told her, he's like, this is what happened. And, like, okay, that's kind of a, that's kind of a neat story. You know, you're like, it's, I don't want to say story, but it's just kind of, it's very, like, kind of amazing. I don't know what to make of it. All I know is I'm like, I'm glad it happened.

And then, you know, I've done, I bought a lot of old houses. I bought a lot of that kind of stuff. I recognize it's like as I've gotten older, I recognize there's things in the house in some of these old houses, especially if there's foreclosures or there's, you know, stuff that's gone on. I recognize and I'm not saying I can just like

oh there's spirits or there's this and that but I just recognize there's a feeling in places and I recognize and I can tell now when whatever is lingering or whatever's hanging around when it's finally gone and it seems like as you're like

you know you clean the cobwebs out you clean stuff out it's like whatever is lingering around leaves also. And there's been it's like there's been houses

you buy them. I'm like something's not right here. Everything looks good. This looks good. That looks good. But something something's just not sitting right with me. And I went ahead and

bottom anyways because everything seems right. But at the same time, there's stuff that the things that aren't right are on it more of a spiritual sense than a physical sense. And even if you just pray while you're working and you do, you know, you're like, it's almost like you're dry. I don't know if I'm describing it right, but it just drives,

whatever those spirits are, it drives them out. And once they're gone, they're gone. and it just it makes life a lot more pleasant and then the house becomes pleasant and people come in and they're like, yeah, it's different here. And then kind of wrapping

some of that stuff up, there's a guy back in the 2008-2009 you know, I was doing a fairly extensive remodel job for a guy and he was a nice guy, but

there's something weird about the guy there's something about about um i don't know how else to describe it this guy from three four feet away had breath that would just about i it's not even like bad breath smell it was like a sulfury smell yeah i mean it was just weird and the guy always paid me he always did whatever but while i was working it was at the time of, oh, when John McKean and Sarah Palin were, you know, that whole presidential thing. Yeah. And the guy wanted to keep talking politics and he wanted to, I'm like, I don't want to talk politics, especially I got to get money from you and I don't want to do this.

Well, then it turned into talking about religious type of stuff. And the guy was wealthy. He had money and he was telling me, he was like, you know, I was just asking him questions. Like, how do you, you know, how'd you get where you're at? How do you start your company? How, you know, just, hey, if he told me some stuff that I can learn from, I'm all about learning. Well, he told me, he said, he likes to get up every morning and he likes to meditate. Excuse me.

And he said, when I meditate, the spirits guide me. And I was like, oh, boy, how do I even approach this one? Well, I said it. I'm like, well, how do you know what spirits you're talking to? And he looked at me, and I'm like, he's like, what do you mean? I said, well, as far as I know, those far as I know, those could be like, you know, demons or demonic spirits or stuff that maybe you don't want to be. Well, I said that and that really got the guy mad. He really got upset and he was like, well, what do you believe?

you know, like, I was like, I don't want to talk religion or politics with you. I just want to get this done. Well, I had to run the Home Depot and I got my truck and he hopped in my truck with me. Like, okay, this is weird. I usually don't have people doing that. I usually, you know, I go get what I need to get. But he hopped in with me. And I, Tony, I swear.

this guy, I mean, the breath was so overpowering and he got my truck and he said, well, who do you believe in? And when he said that to me, I swear he'd changed. He was not the same guy.

There's something different about the guy and I felt this pressure like it's, I'm like oh, what do I say here? And I'm like, Jesus is my savior. And when I said that, it's like the guy completely, whatever was going on, completely

retreated and he was, he was no longer, the breath was still bad, but his, his, like, just is kind of like his demeanor and just the way he would, just this kind of arrogance that he was like talking to me, it was no longer there. And I was like, that's, And it's not like I was trying to be, I was scared. I was like, I kind of like, I feel like Peter, when he denied Christ three times, I almost felt like I, you know, I could have been the one like denying, you know, like, you know, no, I don't know them, that kind of stuff. I'm like, but I was like, I want to say I was probably kind of timid when I said, well,

Jesus, I can't say I boldly said it. but I did say it, and at that time, whatever was going on, it was over. And that was, you know, that was at that time period. And then since then, it's just, you know, I can't say I have any other stories, but that was kind of the biggest thing. And when I've been listening to your podcast

and listening to people's stories, I was like, I'm an email Tony. I don't know if there's enough for him to put on the show or if it's, you know, what he's looking for. But that's where that's kind of, just wanting to get that off my chest or just say it. And like, hopefully it helps somebody else too. Oh, yeah, for sure.

Absolutely. I think that, uh, that last experience you had and stuff is interesting. I mean, uh, I don't know, you know, I'm trying to think if I, if I've, if I've ever heard of somebody who maybe was like a demonic possession kind of thing where they smelled like sulfur. But, I mean, do you think that guy had some kind of weird stuff going on and like as far as

like demonic stuff or do you think maybe he was involved in New Age or or what? I don't really know. The guy was just a little bit weird. Just to put it bluntly, he was, he was a little bit off, but I needed work. I needed the money. You know, it's like it was that time, that whole recession type of period. and I'm like, you know, the guy pays, he doesn't, you know, he doesn't pocket pain. And I literally think it was, it was some sort of, I don't want to say possession or maybe it was possession, but I don't know what, but it was the breath.

And I don't even know what sulfur really smelled like. I'm just saying sulfur because, but it was, it was horrendous breath. And it was just coming like, it was something. I can't even describe what it was. It was just, and it was like across the room type of stuff and like, dude, you know, have a mint. You just, I'm like, but I got to put up with this because I need, you know, I like to eat and I like to pay my bills. And I remember you tell you telling the story about when you had to go to a guy's apartment and it was just like kind of a weird. I don't remember the.

recall the story that you'd had, but it was like something where you just felt like kind of attacked. And it was just kind of that thing. And then once we kind of got that in my truck, it was like the guy just, he kind of like backed off.

And he just, you know, there wasn't that same kind of like like, I'm just going to get this guy. I'm just going to like, he just kind of let me do my thing. And in fact, he wouldn't even like sit and watch me work anymore. He just kind of, it's like he just let me be, let me do my thing and then it didn't, wasn't, you know, all that harassment was gone. But it was just, he was just almost

like relentless while I was working there. And it's hard to, okay, I just got to, I got to suck it up and do this. And, but I really don't, you know, I'm not enjoying this, but, hey, I need to, I need work. And there's not a whole lot of it. right now. Yeah. Well, at least that he didn't fire you or anything like that and you were able to finish the job. Yeah, I finished the job and the guy kept, you know, over the years, he's called me back, but I, you know, want me to come do this or that. And I'd gone back there a couple times, but it's still just, it's like if I don't have to go deal with the creepiness, he's still just kind of creepy, but I, it's like, no, I'm not going to, I just don't like, it's just too

hard to deal with that kind of stuff. Yeah, I can understand that. I can understand that for sure. Well, it sounds like you've had a life filled with spiritual experiences, really. I mean, it seems like a couple of these stories, it seems like it was almost like you were being looked out after. Is that how you feel about it, though? That's the way I feel about it. I feel like it's been, I've been totally, you know, like some of the people that you've interviewed, like they've been, they've had almost like I just, I don't know what to say, but yeah, I feel like I've been protected and I feel, you know,

it's, I, I just had, there's a knowing, like, yes, I know, you know, that it's here. And I'm not saying that all you're protected, nothing bad has ever happened. Yes, bad things have happened. There's been, you know, there's always struggle. You know, there's been, oh, okay, that was, you know, but on some of those, kind of things. Yeah, I think there's been, you know, or at least a guidance on how to navigate some of that stuff. But I didn't know what I was really doing. I can't say that I had a, you know, I knew what to do. Well, Mitch, I appreciate you coming on and sharing these stories,

man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for the show. And, you know, I just ought to keep tuning in every week here. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. I don't care where you share the show or how you share the show. Just share the show if you enjoyed it. That's the best thing you can do to help the show grow.