The Confessionals - RELOADED | 315: Skinwalkers On The Reservation

Episode Date: September 26, 2022

In Episode 315: Skinwalkers On The Reservation, we are joined by Jamaal, who was raised on a Native American reservation. Jamaal has always been interested in the paranormal, and when he was in high school, he and a friend decided to investigate the paranormal as a hobby. They've searched for everything, and Jamaal has had experiences with skinwalkers, aliens, UFOs, ghost babies, shadow figures, disembodied voices, and goatman - and that's just the beginning! Episode 315 is the first of three interviews I have recorded with Jamaal, and they will all be shared over time. In this first interview, Jamaal shares with us about the skinwalker and his run-ins with the legendary entity. Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinSPONSORSGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5GET ExpressVPN: www.expressvpn.com/confessCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaITikTok: @theconfessionalsDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkel

Merkel Media I guess it's time to go back in time Are you telling me you built a time machine Out of a Dolion Time is but a stubborn

illusion I have a lot of memories of the past People are time traveling within themselves Time travel Is possible This was all circulating

around the base that a giant had to kill but no one was supposed to talk about it. Boney fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. And Spears Dan holds them up like this. Somebody else.

Shoot him in the face. Shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two small gray entities pulling it. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster.

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reservation and he has insane stories. I actually have done three interviews with Jamal and this is the first interview of three. And we're going to be talking about the Skim Walker today and his experiences when him and his friends will go and look for these things. And sometimes when you look for something, you actually find it. So let's get to Jamal. right now. All right, today we got Jamal on the show, man. How are you doing doing, Tony? I'm doing good, man. Doing good. So, uh, you don't live on the Indian reservation now, do you?

Uh, no. I moved, uh, off the reservation about 2013, 2014. Yeah, so I've been living in, uh, off the reservation for a while. I got you. You sound like a younger guy. How old are you? Um, 27. I just turned 27. than this Tuesday. So, yeah. Happy birthday, man. Happy birthday. Thank you. Yeah.

So you have experiences that you've had living on the reservation. And we're going to talk about that today. And let's just get right into the Skinwalker story first. I mean, or stories. I'm not sure because I know that Native Americans talk about the Skinwalker a lot more than any other culture in this country. And so there are Native Americans that have had run-ins. with an S on the end of it, with these things.

And so let's get on the topic of Skinwalker, man. Where are we going with this? So before I get into the next three, I thought I'd share a little bit of a little bit of history of skin walkers from what I've been told that's all right. Good. So I don't know if you know this, but Skinwalkers were actually created. They weren't something that had just managed.

and it was just pure evil. A lot of, so this is back, way back. So like I put in the email and said, a letter started first showing up. So these skin walkers kind of were created

to spy, to turn into animals because no one's really going to worry about like a coyote or a fox or a bird or something in their area. So these forts, they would kind of like train these people to turn into different animals and cast like spells and stuff just to get into these camps and to spy on forts and stuff just to get information that they needed. So that's kind of how that came about.

And there was like a punishment that did come with, if you were caught using your disc and marker abilities for like evil, what they would do back then is take the person that is suspected of doing evil with the powers they were given. They were tied down on top of the Ant Hill and just left there until they couldn't take it no more. So all day night they would be stung by ants just until they swear not to do it anymore. And then eventually through time it started becoming a taboo thing. So nobody, it was good, it was used for good at first, but through time it started becoming like a bad, like evil thing to do because my thinking on it is it kind of makes sense when I think about it like this is because there's a lot of Native Americans that are kind of like struggling out here. So on the reservation, there's a lot of elders that have like sheep and cattle and stuff that he care of. and usually sometimes people get jealous of that because, well, they want to have more

sheep and stuff like that. They want more money. So I think a lot of the modern day skin walker stuff, it kind of evolved out of like jealousy and like greed and hate. So that's kind of when the modern day skinwalkers kind of came about where it's a lot of evil stuff that are, that they're kind of doing. I don't know if you know this part, but like, people say it all the time,

but I don't really know if it's like true. That's something I don't really understand because they say like if you want to become a skin walker, one of the rituals is you'll have to kill like one of your family members, somebody that you love in order to become a skin walker. And to me that doesn't really make sense because if they could turn, if they could gain these abilities back,

then without having to kill somebody, then surely they can build these today without having to kill somebody. And that's kind of where I'm just like, maybe it's like an initiation thing that they're doing to make sure that you, this is the life that you want. And if you want then you have to do this horrible acts just to prove to them that this is something you want. and I've heard one story about some girl whose mother tried to become a skinwalker. Like, her mother killed her son. Yeah. So it's a little girl, her brother, and her mom.

But I guess the mother killed her son because the daughter was her favorite. in order to become a skin walker, but she ended up getting caught for that. And she is serving time for murdering her own child. And I forget where I heard that it's somewhere at work when somebody was telling me about screenwalkers and stuff. All right. So I am Native American, and I mean, I've always been into this kind of stuff, like, ever since I could remember. But the stories kind of surrounding the skinwalker topic all took place when I was in high school, so freshman to senior year. So the first paranormal thing that I've seen, I'm not sure if it was a skinwalker or not, but it did take place on the reservation.

It started from there, then it kind of progressively got a little more interesting. but it was back on the reservation, a little area called Sheet Springs, New Mexico. I was staying at a friend's place, and this friend, he's the one that we were kind of like a team, I guess. We used to go out and do all this stuff together. But it started there at his place where we were, there's these like tunnels and we were in there.

building a fire because that's just what we do. We were bored, so we decided to build a fire inside some tunnels. And then we hear some knocking. And this is around like maybe midnight, one in the morning. So it's pretty dark. No vehicles, no people around, just building tunnels or building fires in the tunnel. And as you were building the fire, we kind of hear something at the other end of the tunnel because we were on one end, and this noise that we heard came from the other end.

And then we were kind of like quiet because we weren't sure if we were hearing what we were hearing. We were thinking maybe it was like cows or horses or something because they usually roam around that area. And there's nothing for a while. And then all of a sudden you hear a thump, another thump, and then it sounds like something dragging. and it sounds like it was coming toward us and it was still in the darkness in this good distance so we were kind of freaking out

so we lit a a rag and stick on fire then chucked it down the tunnel and when it landed it landed next to something that looked like a goat or a dog or something. It looked like it had a bunch

of hair and its neck was like really long and it made this weird, like, humming kind of a noise, like a deep growling humming kind of noise when the light hit it. And that's when we freaked out and left, and then that's kind of what started this whole Skinwalker thing, because we weren't sure if that was a Skinwalker thing, but it kind of sparked our curiosity after that

because we did run away. We went back to my friend's house, and then we kind of just talked about it from there. and then that was kind of it. I went home the next day, and my friend, who lives out on Sheet Springs, he was sleeping, like, I think it was the next morning, but he woke up at around 6, 6.30 in the morning

because his dog was scratching at his window, and he thought it was weird because, like, his dog's never done that. His window was open, but there was a screen window there, a screen there to keep the bugs from coming in. But his dog was scratching there for a little bit, and then it was quiet for a few seconds, and then the dog just jumps through the window. And then he hears, like, a really, like, deep growl come from outside of his window. And his dog was just, like, it ran under his bed, and it was, like, scared. And my friends didn't know what to do, so he hurry up, got up, went outside, and he said he couldn't find anything.

But as he was getting up, he said he heard something like big running away from his window, and we thought that was weird. So we went to school. We talked about it a little bit. And then that's when we kind of sparked our interest about skin marker. So any story I could find, I would ask my grandparents, my parents, my aunts, uncles, friends about their skin marker experiences, then kind of like track down where they had those experiences. In the beginning it was just kind of well-law because I didn't really have a license

to or didn't really drive around that much back then. I was only 14, 15 around there. So we usually just walk to these locations. Any locations that we hear were like hotspots for skinwalkers. You would go ahead and walk there. It wasn't until much later we started driving to these locations. but so there's this place, and this is back where I grew up on the reservation, it's a place called Two Great Hills, and there's housing there, NHA housing, and that's where my family

used to live in. I have three other sisters, and my mom and my stepdad, we all live in that house, and my Fenn would stay over a lot, and whenever he would stay over, we'd kind of just like around like seven or eight, we'd leave, I'd go for a walk to these places that people say, that they've seen skin walkers and stuff. So we didn't really know what the name of this place was, but it was probably about a mile, half a mile, a mile walk from my parents. So that's where we could go because as we would hear most of the stories come from.

So yeah, it's usually like every weekend, almost every weekend we'd go out 7, 8, 9 p.m. Because if you're going to be looking for something like this, the best time to do it is at night. Yeah, so early as the count, so most of the stories will take place around here because it all started in Sheet Springs. But the most majority of the story kind of take place around the two-day hills area that my parents, I used to live in with my parents. They still live there. And every time I get a chance to visit, I'll visit.

But with everything going on now, I can't really go out there on the weekends. But, yeah, we would go out to this area. We called it the cliffs and the tree because there was just a bunch of high cliff areas with the much surrounded by like trees and the little stream. We would walk there and climb on trees and just kind of like wait there at night and just listen out for stuff.

I think one weekend we got kind of bored so we built a... We found this little spot. It was like a little opening and there's a bunch of like dead trees so we kind of took those trees and built like a little fort out of that area. And this was probably around 10 people.

was about the time we were almost done, but we heard something running around us. So we thought it was weird. It was too heavy to be a, or it was too light to be a cow. But it was moving pretty fast, like around us. So what we did is we got one of our, we had an energy drink, and we kind of just shook it up. And we wanted to make as much noise as possible, so we shook it. And then he just like stads nice into it and made a big pop. and then that's when everything like went silent

and then this thing, whatever was running around us, kind of ran away. And we thought that was pretty weird. And then nothing really happened the rest of that night. But fast forward a couple of weekends. We went back out there again. And this was probably around like wintertime. It was bad, maybe December, January.

but I friend and I we went during a little earlier around like five or six to the area we called the cliffs

because it was fresh snow was really nice so we took our boards our skateboards you took the wheels off of them we stapled some traps to them

put some wax on the bottom of them and took them to the cliff area because there was a bunch of like really big hills that we should slide down. So we did that for a while.

And I wanted to continue like kind of just finding other hills to go down. But my friend was getting kind of like tired and he wanted to go back. So I told him like if he wanted to go back, he could go back and I kind of just hung out there out there by myself. It was probably around like 8, 738, 8-ish.

and I decided to climb on top of this hill and a couple of rocks just to get a good look out of the area we were in and I tried to look for my friend and I couldn't see my friend and it turns out that he was trying to look for me too because he was walking through the trees

because that's the way to exit the area you have to walk through some thick trees just to get out but he was walking in there and he heard a bunch of noises around him and that's where he kind of like freaked out because well he thought it was me at first behind him and he tried to call my name that I wasn't like there

because I was on top of the hill and he was getting a little freaked out and when he saw that nothing was there he kind of freaked out so he went back out of the trees like the way he came in is the same way he went back because he was trying to look for me because he thought I was playing a joke on him And as soon as he gets out of those trees, he's walking.

He's walking back toward the area we were just at. And he comes up on his hill, and then he sees somebody walking in distance, a quarter mile, maybe less. And he thinks it's me. So he calls out my name. And when I don't answer, he's just like, thinking, like, there's me, hear me? So he yells it again. and this person that was walking started to like slowly get on all fours

and crawling and my friend would the way he described it was he heard like like a bones popping or joints joints popping bones cracking or something like it was changing right in front of them uh that's creepy

and yeah so he was he he he said he just stared at. He was frozen. He couldn't really do anything. He wanted to run, but he was just caught up in the moment. He was just staring at this thing, start to

change right in front of him. And then he kind of looks around because he's trying to look for me. And this thing is like, it's already gone. It went over a hill and it's gone. And then he's, when he's looking around and I see him.

Unfortunately, I wasn't looking that way when this was happening. I was looking at another direction. But he sees me. He's calling out, but I can barely hear him. But he's waving his arms, and I'm waving my arms, too, and it's getting pretty dark, but there's still enough light to see each other. So I'm waving him down.

Then he starts making his way toward me, and he's moving a little faster than I thought he would. I didn't really think anything anything was going on because I didn't see what happened. So he comes up the hill He finds me He's like, dude, did you see that? Did you see that thing? And I was like, no. Like, what did you?

What did you see? And he was telling me all about this guy Who he thought was me. He tried calling my name to him Wasn't answering and that he told me about the thing Like changing right in front of him And that was weird In a way.

Did he see it actually changing in front of him? yeah he said it was like right in front of him like right in front of him well like less like less than a quarter of a mile away and it was just like changing in front of him I don't think it saw him but he was looking at it I got and yeah yeah so it was really weird but yeah yeah I mean so when when you were telling the story I was thinking it was so far away he couldn't even see what he was hearing the bones crack but he actually saw it transform and heard the bones cracking, but he was far enough away from it that it really didn't see him. Yeah, yeah, because like the area was in, there was a bunch of like small hills and stuff too. So he was kind of like

seen like hidden behind one and he was, it was coming up on one when he saw what he thought was me. And that's when he started calling me. But this thing was walking down a hill and that's, it's when he kind of lost it. Wow, fascinating. Yeah, but that doesn't end there. So, you know, he tells me about it. He's freaking out. He says he wants to, like, go back home. So I'm just like, all right, well, you know, like, I'm not going to keep him out here if he doesn't want to be.

So we started making our way back. And when we got back, we told my parents about it. And my mom was just, like, cool. Like, she doesn't really care what it. what I do out there. So she's just like, oh, cool, oh, you know, just passing it off. But my stepdad is like, oh, you, so he has to, like, not be out there, getting angry at it.

That's for being out there for doing those kind of things. But that just kind of made me want to go back out there again. So that's the end of that event. And then fast forward a couple weekends. Like every other weekend, yeah, he would come over. We'd go back out there, look around. most of the time we wouldn't really like find anything but we were persistent we wanted to see something so we'd go back to that area uh well like every chance we got uh and i know like there's

some shows that like go to one area hoping to catch something but they're only there for one night and i always thought that was kind of like a like a flawed kind of a idea because if you go to someplace one night, don't see anything and give up, and then you're not really going to see anything. So we were consistently going out there every other weekend just to try to catch what we can. And we were doing it enough that we finally managed to see something else. And it's, so we were on our way to the cliff area. And as we were getting closer, this is probably around 9, 30, 10.

So it's pretty dark. And this is during the springtime. So we're walking closer to it. And we see this guy, like, he's, like, standing on top of this, like, hill. So it's, like, a little hill before it dips down into, like, a little forested area with a stream. And that's the, usually, like, the area we would kind of go in to go down to the tree area, the cliff area. And there was a guy standing there, and we were kind of just, like, we were just stopped. You can't see we're wearing all black with this.

guy was wearing like white, uh, something. I don't know, we'd use wearing like a white shirt or something. Um, but we could see him. And then, uh, we're just looking at him. And we were like, okay, this is weird. Like, maybe it's somebody else who's like looking around out here, uh, for something, uh, because there's a lot of, there's a lot of bored of Native American kids out there that will kind of just walk around looking for something to do, especially at night. I don't know why, but we like going out at night. Um, so I'm, I'm looking at him and, uh, so I just started to like, all right, well, let's, uh, see if we can provoke this thing. So, uh, they say you're like, um, so, so the way to say Skin Walker in Navajo is, yes, not groshi.

Uh, and that's kind of what I, why I started yelling, like, I was yelling at the top of my lungs as I was like, who is like, yes, not gloshi. Like, this is my friend. If you want to mess with him or. do whatever you guys do. Like, we give you permission. And as soon as I said that, this thing kind of like, it slowly looked toward us. And then it kind of just turned around and walked down the hill. And we were just like, okay, maybe it's just some kid.

Maybe he's just messing around. But then when he walked down that hill, he came back out. But it was like a coyote or a dog or something. It was a canine of some sort. and then it just kind of like walked away from us. So he went back down, came back up, and then he just walked away on all fours as a canine of some sort, whether it be a coyote, wolf, or a dog. I wasn't close enough to actually see it, but it just walked away, which I thought was kind of weird.

In my head, I'm thinking maybe it's his dog or something, and that's what we're seeing. but for that one I can't be 100% sure. So we decided not to go any further. So we're just like, okay, we're not going to go any further. We're just going to turn around and call it tonight because we don't want to deal with that right now. So we turn around, go back home, and then we get to a certain spot.

It's like a little bridge, but we're hanging on that bridge for about an hour, just kind of like looking around, making sure we don't see anything. And around that area, around like nighttime, you can hear like coyotes, like coyote pack. You can hear that they're hollering. It's kind of creepy.

So we were like, okay, let's not get attacked by a bunch of coyotes at here. So is around like 11, almost midnight. So we decided to walk the rest of the way home. And when we got back to my place, my parents were still up. It's usually, it's weird for them to be up that late. but they were up. My sisters were up. So we get back home.

We go back into my room and we decided to play some video games. And back then I had a PlayStation, but we decided to play Nintendo 64. So that's what we were doing for like up until midnight, so one in the morning. And then we kind of fall asleep. And the way the house is kind of set up is. there's two rooms at the end. It's my room, and then my parents are across on the other side. Then down the hall is my sister's room and the restroom.

So it's myself. I have my own room. My older sister has her own room. Being that we were the oldest, we kind of wanted our own rooms, our own space, so we got that. And my two little sisters kind of slept in the living room. And they said they were sleeping, and we were at. out by this time because it was like 5.30, 6 in the morning. By the 6 in the morning,

my little sister, the youngest, was sleeping on the floor and the second youngest was sleeping on the couch. And my youngest sister said that something opened the door. So the way it's kind of set up in living room is when they sleep, they usually have the door open, but there's a screen door that's locked with the screen down so air could come through because it was just starting to warm up and we hadn't put her AC in yet so that's kind of how they handled that but my sister said she woke up because she heard like metal slamming like they're like a little light like

because there's like a little hook lock that kind of locks the screen door in place but she said she heard that kind of just like something lifted it up and dropped it and it was just kind of like dangling there and then she heard the the door handle, like the knob turn. And then the screen door just kind of slowly started opening. And she was like half asleep and just like barely looking. She was kind of like freaking out.

She didn't know what was going on. She was thinking either maybe it's like my said that getting up, getting ready for work or something. But it's the weekend. So it'd be kind of weird for that to happen. He doesn't work on the weekends. But yeah, she thought it was him. Maybe he's getting them in the car or somebody.

outside. But when she had her eyes barely open looking toward the door and as time started going by the door started slowly opening and she heard something sniffing because you know how like when dogs

are curious they're doing that word smith thing they're trying to figure out something that they're curious. But yeah she's looking toward the door and then she sees this coyote it's pushing its nose in between the door and the door frame and it's pushing the door open and it's looking around inside

the living room and she's kind of scared because she's like she doesn't know what what's going on like she doesn't know what this is like why is a coyote how would a coyote open a door that was locked on the inside so she's looking at it she doesn't know like what to do But it was just sniffing. It was looking around. It didn't come fully through. It stopped until, like, he got to, like, halfway, and it was just kind of, like, looking around.

And my sister said it didn't do anything. It just kind of looked around, got a little curious, and then it just backed out, and then it went away. And as soon as it left, she got up, locked the screen door back, and then closed the actual door and locked it. and she didn't tell my parents because obviously they wouldn't believe her. So she told me and I was just like, oh, no, maybe it was that guy that we saw earlier that went down the hill and came back as something else.

So we were kind of like, well, it's kind of, like, just, wow, like it followed us home. Yeah, so that happened. And yeah, she just said it was really weird. didn't know what to do or think at the time. She was just kind of like frozen. She was in shock or something. But the upcoming night, nothing happened. So my friend dropped him back off.

A couple weekends go by and he's back over at my place. And we decided to go out and do this again. But this time we only made it about to that bruce. ridge I was talking about earlier. We only walked about that far. And we kind of hung out in their area for a little bit. Still unsure if you wanted to go back out there because of everything that just happened with my friends, seeing that you change right in front of them to the guy walking down the hill and coming back at something else. And to my sister, seeing that thing in our living room. So we were just like, okay, well, maybe we just, I'll go all the way out there

tonight. Maybe we'll just call it an early night and come back and play some video games. So that's what we decided to do. We came back around 10. And my sisters were like, oh, you're back early because it's weird for us to be back that early. I'm just like, oh, yeah, we're too tired to go out there today. So I get back in my room. And this is like summertime. time. Sometimes it was just like fast forward a couple years, a year or two. So we were in my room playing video games and my sister was pregnant with my nephew at the time and her boyfriend was living with us. So they kind of shared that room. My two little sisters

were still sleeping in the living room and I still have my own room. I'm staying over. We're playing some Nintendo 64 and as they're like 10, 30. 11-ish. And then my, everybody was still awake, except my parents, they were out. And all of a sudden we hear like a drumming, like something right outside our window. Being that my sister and my room

are right next to each other, our windows are right next to each other too. So like outside the window and the outside, we hear like a drumming, like something, beating on her drum or something. And then we hear like a chanting. and me and my friend were just looking at each other. We paused again. We were looking at each other.

And I'm like, do you hear that? Like, are we hearing this? Like, what is this? And then you just hear like, again, it's like, it's like, it's not loud, but it's like very faint you can hear drumming and like a little like chanting. So we were kind of like trying to figure out where the noise is coming from. And then when we figured out that it was coming from outside the window,

yeah, we got up slowly. My stepdad had a paintball gun. Unfortunately, we don't have a gun. So the best we could do is just a paintball gun. So my stepdad had one of those. And it was in my room at that time. So we decided to get the paintball gun, slowly make our way toward the living room to go outside.

And when we got to the door, my sisters were still awake. And they were all like, what are you doing? He was like, oh, we heard something outside. We're going to take a look. So we get to the door. and we open it really quickly and when we turned to look toward the window we heard the noise coming from

it was they were not next to our window or my window they were next to my sister's window who was pregnant with my nephew at the time and yeah so when we open the door looked that way

we saw these two dogs or something run away from her window and we were looking at each other like what the yeah we were we were

a little speech just because it was a dog and a or two two dogs or something that were that a drum noise was coming from and a chanting was coming from and the chant was like really weird

too uh you'll see how like if you look up a lot of Native American like music and stuff you'll hear kind of like the it's like a soft drum that's not very loud

but it's like yeah so when we saw that we were looking at each like why like how what's going

what's happening here I have no idea what was going on so from the inside I told my two little sisters

about it like yeah we saw two dogs run away in my sister's window and they were

playing a drum and chanting that's what we were hearing and they were just like what because

I didn't know what to think of it too then either so I go to my sister's room and I asked her like did you hear that chanting? She was like yeah I didn't know what it was we were just kind of curious and I told her

that we went outside the check and that there was two dogs or something by her window that were chanting and some drum noise was coming from and she was kind of scared because her and her boyfriend were pretty traditional and they kind of had an

idea of what me and my friend used to do on the weekends. So they wanted to make sure everything was good. So the next day, my sister's boyfriend invited his dad over to do a blessing on the house and let you do a prayer, got some sage and burned it and kind of like, blessed the area, I guess, because his father is pretty traditional too. And then when he found out what we were doing, we got an earful. He was like upset with us. We're not supposed to be doing that kind of stuff.

And so we kind of just took it like, oh, we're sorry. We're not going to do it again. But we actually ended up doing it a couple more times after that. So yeah, they blessed the place. um everything is uh flying with my sister and her son nothing happened they might have the prayer might have worked or something so yeah that was really weird like seeing those two dogs or something outside my sister's window chanting and we couldn't figure it out so we kind of just gave up on trying to figure it out we were just thinking maybe it's it's skin

Watchers, it's the best thing we can come up with. And then fast forward a couple of weekends again. My nephew was staying over at our place, and he's somebody we haven't seen in a long time. He's pretty cool. But at this time, I let my sister sleep in my room so I can hang out the living room and watch TV. But we were all in there at the time. and one of my sisters went to bed

because she was getting tired but it's just me one of my little sisters my nephew we were and my friend wasn't here at the time the one that

yeah so in the living room watching TV it's probably around 11, 11.30 so we're sitting there

and all of a sudden because we had our our dining room. So it's our first walk into our house, it's a living room, and then right next to it is the dining room, and then the kitchen it's all one big space.

But in the dining room, we have a table, and there's a light up above it, which we had on. That's the only light we had on. And then it was like unusually dark under the table for some reason. It was kind of weird.

It was weird to me, because like, it shouldn't be that dark the way how dark it was. I'm just like staring at it and kind of keeping an eye on it for a little bit. But then my attention turns back toward the TV. And right as I'm looking toward the TV, this under the table, this dark shadow kind of like it, it looked like the way the best way I could describe it is it looked like it was kind of hanging on underneath the table. but it looked like it kind of just like let go of the table and kind of floated down a little bit and then it just took off into the kitchen

and into our laundry room and I was kind of rooted out and my nephew at the time he saw it too and he looked toward me and he's like dude did you see that and I'm like yeah I saw like what was that? We got up went to the other time of the table

nothing and they went to our laundry room and there was nothing in there either but I do hear like stories of well so so a lot of the times skin walkers from what I've been told through stories is a lot of the times they're not physically there and what I mean by that is they do some kind of like a meditation of some sort to kind of get out of their bodies in a way, like their spirit or something. So they'll meditate, do a prayer or whatever, and then their physical bodies will stay near the stay in one spot, and then their spiritual bodies would come out and they can. So, like, usually when people say, like, because I have heard stories of people being chased by something on the side of the road who looks like a man or maybe it's like a coyote or something that's chasing them and it's keeping up with their vehicles. Most of the time, the Skinwalker isn't actually there.

it's their spirit that's manifesting themselves there, which is why they're able to keep up with the vehicles. And usually when somebody says they see something in their house, it might be a skin walker doing that, where they take their spirits out of their body, and then they travel around it. That's how they get into places. Which is really weird.

So I'm thinking that that's probably what it was, whatever the skin walkers that we were hunting that kept following us home were still kind of like there. So in my thinking is that it's a skin walker that was under

our dining room table in his spiritual body and from there it went from the table to the kitchen to the dining room and he kind of just disappeared after after that. That's the best way I could

explaining it or it could be a ghost but I'm not sure I mean there's no like hauntings or anything in the area we live in so the best thing I could deal with is a skinwalker yeah so and then this next story this one is kind of a weird one um 2011 I don't say it's 2011 summertime time. High school, I think we had to graduate from high school. So it was during the summer. So that cliff area, we decided to, my friend and I, he was staying over again. So we decided to, let's go check it out for a whole time.

I think it's been a while since you've been out there. So around 9.30, 10-ish, between there, we took off from my parents' place and started making our way toward the cliff area. in hopes to look for skin walkers. I got a camera. It's a very crappy camera and a flashlight.

That's the best you could do at the time. So we were like, okay, we're today's the day. Like, tonight, we're going to get a skin walker

on camera, hopefully. So that was a urban goal for the night to capture something on camera. So we started walking toward there. And by the time we got about halfway there,

we stepped, because our main goal there was to look for skin walkers, but it ended up turning into something else where the whole event thing kind of lasted until about five, six in the morning, so we were out there all night, kind of, anyways, so we're walking there, we're halfway, and we see these little orbs of light floating around that area that we were headed to,

and we thought that was really weird. So we kind of just stopped and looked at it and started at it for a little bit just to try to figure it out. And then we saw these little lights, little orbs of light kind of flowed up from that area into those lights that were floating above it. And then it just shot up, like straight up into the sky.

And it was really weird. So we weren't sure what was like happening. We're thinking like okay it might be aliens or something like maybe we'll get ourselves an alien on camera. So excited we started walking toward the thing because you wanted to see what

was happening over there. We want to get up with some personal or up close to see it. And then we barely made it a couple of yards when we heard something like walking around us and it was

a pretty cloudy night, so we couldn't really see. The moon was hidden behind some clouds. And so we started hearing this thing, like, walking around us, but it didn't sound like something that was, like, on all fours, so it couldn't have been, like, a dog or a coyote or a fox. It sounds like it was two feet walking around us. like it was trying to be quiet. So we stop.

My friend has the flashlight. He turns it on and he starts looking around and does a full 360. He sees nothing and then he goes again. And then when he's turning behind this bush and there's like a bunch of bushes around and they're about like three to four feet high. But when he's trying to light, this thing looked like it was kind of like hunched over a bush. but as soon as the light hit it, it stood up and it was it was tall.

It was like a dark grayish color. I just got a quick glimpse at it when he shamed light on it because as soon as my friend saw it, he freaked out. He got scared and he just turned around and started running back towards the housings that my parents live in. and I didn't know what was 100% going on. I just saw that he was scared. And so in my head, I'm like, okay, I better run too.

So I start running behind him. And then behind me, I can hear something running behind me, like it was keeping up with us. But we got to a certain point where we stopped and we kind of just listened out. And this thing had stopped too before. it stops when we stopped I guess

and then my friend I got the flashlight from my friend and I started looking around too because I didn't know what's going on and he just asked him Leah what did you see and he said he saw this thing like the trapty

it was tall it was gray it was like a dark dark ish gray very slender very tall like six six feet

six seven feet. And I'm looking around with a flashlight. And, like, I'm not seeing anything. And then I hear, like, something walking again. Like, it stepped on, like, a bush and, like, little twigs break. And we heard that. So I immediately turned the flashlight toward where I heard the noise coming from.

And as soon as I do that, I see it again. Or I see it. My friend is just following the flashlight. So it's the second time he's seeing this thing, and he's just like, oh, fuck. And then he starts. running again and I ran with them because I saw what he saw and I couldn't believe what I was seeing so we just kept running this thing was running behind us but I don't know if it was like it never did anything really it just kind of stalked us in a way but we kept running

then we got to a road and when we got on the road we turned around but we didn't see anything So we're thinking maybe they didn't want to go into light or something. Maybe he didn't want us to fully see it. So it kind of just stayed in the dark because there's a couple of streetlights. We're on the road we were at because there's a daycare in that area. And my friend and I, we used to climb on top of that daycare a lot. And that's what we decided to do. We'd reach out the fence.

There's a certain spot that you can get on top of the daycare. So we would climb that, get on top of that. and then we kind of just got onto the side of the roof where all this stuff was going on. And we kind of just stood there looking around and trying to see if we see anything. And the flashlight that we have is an LED one, and it's pretty bright. You can see it's pretty far. So we're on top of the roof for the daycare, and we're just shining the flashlight. And then on the other side of the road, behind some bushes, you can see two or three of these

tall gray slender things like standing behind them and we're kind of just like staring at each other like some kind of staring contest or something and we're just looking at each other and I had to look at my friend and I'm like you think we should go down there

and he didn't want to go down there and me being the person I wanted to see this thing up close and tried to get it on the camera that we had so he was like no, if you're going to go down there, you're going to go down there by yourself. And I'm like, okay. So he has a machete that he carries around with him.

He had that on his back. So I told him to give me the machete anything happens. And I might have to kill myself an alien. I had the camera in a little bag. I was sorry. I was like, kill myself an alien. Yeah. Yeah.

That's up to exactly. was going away. I was like, I'm going to kill myself an alien. This is great. And get it on, get it on camera. So yeah, yeah, I get that. I get the camera. I get the flashlight. And then I started making my way down. And my friend's, like, kind of feeling a little guilty.

So like, all right, I'm coming with you. So he comes down, but he takes the flashlight. So we go back onto the road. And then we jump the fence and we're on the road looking around. The bushes that we saw these things behind, we went back there. had the flashlight on and we're looking around and there's these like incantations so like something was standing behind these bushes like there's like three like sets of like footprints in the sand and it looks like they kind of turned to the left and kind of walked

away so I'm standing there a camera and machete in the other hand and the other hand and my friend's looking around on, he's on the left of me, and he's looking around too, and he's got the flashlight, he's shining it around. And then when he points up, he sees this thing, the same thing I was telling you about, or there we're talking about, it's standing like right in front of him, maybe four, four or five feet in front of him. And he started screaming, and then I quickly look and I see it, but it turns around and it just starts running. this thing is fast. We're, like, chasing it. I was like, I told them, like, don't lose it. Don't lose it.

So we're just, like, running as fast as we can trying to keep up with it. But it was, it was way faster than us. And it got away. So we were kind of freaking out. You got back on the road. We're talking about it. And we're just trying to figure out, like, What is this?

What's, like, what's going on? What do we, what did we just see here? And we're, like, looking toward each other, and behind my friend is a little, like, street light. So it's, like, it's behind them, but not directly behind them. And then behind me, it's just dark. There's one road, and it's just dark. But we're looking at each other,

trying to figure out what was going on and when my friend was looking at me he jumps back and like I immediately froze because like I go my god what did he see and like say he jumps back he's looking like

behind me not at me but behind me and I quickly turn around and there's nothing back there and I'm like what are you looking at and he's like he's like man, we should probably, like, get out of here. And I'm like, tell me, what did you, what did you see? Like, I want to know what you saw. And what he said was he saw this thing, the gray alien thing behind me.

And it was, it just, like, stood right behind me. And then when my friend saw it, it just, like, it turned and it just walked away. And I was, like, I was a little, like, I was in shock. Like, what, what are these things? Are they just like messing with us? Are they curious or something? I don't know. So when he told me that, I was like, all right, let's, like, I'm not ready to go home yet,

but let's get back on top of the daycare and kind of just look around. And that's what we do. We go back on top of the daycare and we kind of just keep an eye out in that area. And we see nothing. Nothing happens for the rest of the night. But we're just not staying out there just to see if maybe there. or still out there watching us or something. But the time, like, 530-ish goals around,

the sun's just about coming out. So we decided to crawl down and go back to that area. We saw all the stuff that's happening and kind of just looking around to make, just to double-check to see the area, see what kind of like clues or stuff we could find. So I have a footage of it, but it's on my mom's computer. I haven't been able to get that yet, but I have footage of that night.

But nothing else happened. So we weren't really tired. So when we got back, we told my sisters, because usually when something like this happens, I'll tell my sisters. And sometimes they'll believe me, sometimes they won't. And I go into the room, I have a laptop. I started editing the video that we just saw. And I was going to, because that was kind of like my thing.

I wanted to be like a paranormal investigator or something. Investigate like strange stuff or happenings and try to get them on footage and put them up on YouTube. But then actually never happened. But I'm sitting there. I'm editing the video. I'm recording a little bit of audio so I can overlay the. that in the video. And then I go to playback one of the audio clips.

And I'm just thinking like, we're out here in Jury Hills. We're looking at, like, a night that we set out to find Skin Walkers. We found something else instead. And then, like, I'm continuing talking there. But when I go to playback the audio and it gets to that point, it just it's just really like staticy

and you hear this like buzzing noise in the background and then you can faintly hear a voice coming through the audio and I hurry up and pause it and I moved it I rewinded it a little bit to show my friend

so you can hear it for himself but when I played it again there was no static there was no buzzing noise and it was just me talking so I didn't know what happened there or what was going on. Do you think that's something that was happening

live in person right there and not on the recording? I'm not 100% sure. I just remember when I played back the audio it's just like something was trying to like interrupted or something at the time

but when I go to play it back it's not there. The static, the buzzing, the weird voice coming through it wasn't there. I didn't know what to think of it but like the

I'm not sure if this is what it was saying or if that's just what my my ears were picking up what my mind wanted to hear but we heard something like we're around you or something like it was very yeah

I want to say yes but again I'm not sure if it's if that's what I heard or if that's what my mind wanted me to hear, but that's what I was like kind of picking up like a very distorted, like almost humming kind of like a weird around you. And then as it, I was really like, I couldn't believe what I caught there. And it sucks that I couldn't show my friend. But yeah, that's what we caught on the audio recording we were doing.

that night. Yeah. So, yeah, that night we went out looking for skin walkers and ended up finding something else, which is one of the most exciting nights we've ever had out there looking for this kind of stuff. And, I mean, after that, like, I went off to college and my friend stayed on the reservation. and then we kind of just never really did anything like that again. So we were kind of just, yeah, we, so majority of this, all this stuff happened before I left for college in 2011. Because when I came back, there was, we're hitting that time.

I had a job and I couldn't really go out there and do that stuff anymore. I'd like to go out and do that stuff again, but, I don't think I'll be doing that anytime soon. Well, that's, I mean, it sounds like you enjoyed yourself while you were doing it and stuff. And it's a shame that it kind of, the way you just told us, it sounds kind of like it all came to an end. Like, you don't have anybody to go out there with you or anything like that. Yeah. And that's, so, I can't have from college.

Like, why don't you go out there and do it by yourself if you want to see this stuff? What I told them was just like, I'm not going out there by myself. If something happens to me, somebody's got to let my parents know what happened. Because I was going to like, yeah, I'm too scared to go back out there by myself. But that's just like the Skinwalker stuff. There's still like this weird goat man thing that happened. and there's so like a alien stuff I had when I was a kid. There was a bunch of other stuff that happened out there.

The dormitory I used to stay in was haunted. It was crazy. This is like I was in fifth, sixth grade. That was intense. But yeah, majority of that skin and marker stuff is like the majority of my stories. Yeah. And, you know, Jamal, when we sat down, out and stuff and I was going over the email. I was like, this guy has stories. And, and,

dude, you started talking and just, I let you roll, man. Listen, I think what we should do is bring you back on for a part two, maybe in a part three with all these different stories. Because, I mean, we're talking, like you said, we talked about the skin walkers, got alien stuff UFOs, ghost babies, shadow figures, disembodied voices, the goat man. And then you also have, uh, these stories that were told to you. Like, I think you said it was your friend's grandfather who had livestock stolen by Bigfoot. Yeah. Tree people, little people.

It's just like all these things happen. And I'm telling you, man, like it feels like these things happen like this in a very condensed area when it comes to the reservations. It's very interesting. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of strange stuff that goes on on the reservation that, I mean, like, before, like, a lot of the older folks around here, they don't usually talk about

this stuff, but a lot of, like, the younger generation, my generation, they're starting to, like, you know, tell their stories about this stuff. So it's becoming more, like, known. And, yeah, so it's pretty cool. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. I don't care where you share the show or how you share the show.

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