The Confessionals - RELOADED | 339: Goatman Found Us

Episode Date: July 31, 2023

In Episode 339: Goatman Found Us, we are joined by Terry Carnation from the Dark Air podcast! Terry relates his journey back into broadcasting after a hiatus prompted by the mysterious loss of his wife. We also have the opportunity to ask Terry his thoughts on bigfoot, dogman, and even the elusive ‘duckman’ that wars with the reptilians!Following our chat with Terry, we welcome back Jamaal from Episode 315: Skinwalkers On The Reservation. Jamaal recalls bigfoot experiences that have been shared with him, including an occasion when his friend’s grandfather shot at a bigfoot he caught stealing his sheep. Jamaal also describes a run-in with the mysterious goatman that seemingly found him and his friends while they were in the middle of a paranormal investigation.Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinCome Meet Tony:LIVE SHOW in Gatlinburg, TN!Tickets: https://bit.ly/3IC4IkxWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0SPONSORSGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals60 Promo Code: "confessionals60" for 60% off plus free shipping!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvet

Merkel Media I guess it's time To go back in time Are you telling me you built a time machine Out of a Dolion Time is but a stubborn illusion I have a lot of memories

Of the past People are time traveling within themselves Time travel Is possible This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed but no one was supposed to talk about it. Each up underneath the door,

curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand

and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. somebody else shoot them in the face shoot them in the face they basically decapitated hello tony no no not yet not yet when the intro's done playing i'll come in and i'll introduce you fine feel something pulling at my leg and i look over and there are two small gray and the teeth pulling it and they're literally i'm getting pulled off the bed i reached my hand into this bush and i touch air couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because i know i'm seeing a monster.

Okay, I reload! Okay, today we have a special guest, Terry Carnation, sir, of Dark Air. How are you? Hello, Tony. How are you? I'm doing well, I'm doing well, and I'm really excited to talk to you because I get the chance to ask some pearls of wisdom when it comes to broadcasting, especially along the lines of paranormal. How long have you been doing it? I have been in the broadcasting game 32 years, Geez, young Tony.

And you were attempting to steal some industry secrets from me? You want some pointers? I don't think so, because you, frankly, are the competition. Oh, man, I was hoping I could get some pearls of wisdom from me and stuff, but if we're not going to break that can of worms, that's fine with me. Now, I just found out that you are coming back to the airwaves after long abstin. Yes. How has that transition been for you?

I mean, has it been difficult going from the whole AMFM radio game to the podcast game? Well, excellent question. Thank you for asking. Yes, I have been host of Dark Air, AM Radio's top paranormal call-in show. We record in Los Angeles, but of course we telecast, as they say, all across the nation and all across the world. We have fans in pretty much every country, except Bulgaria. For some reason, the Bulgarians, not a fan, not a fan of Terry Carnation. But we do what we can.

As you know, Tony, I went through some dark years. I lost my wife, Zeylon, under dubious, mysterious circumstances. And I went through a dark and clouded time, a chaotic time in my brain and in my bloodstream. What do you mean by your bloodstream? Well, I went, I sought to go on a personal spiritual journey vis-a-vis the portals that were opened in my mind having to do with ayahuasca. And this was in the jungles of Peru. And, well, I became, you know, I would say I found myself, but in actuality, I was found. by the Peruvian military three months later.

I have very few memories of that of that time. It was incredibly painful. I didn't have shoes. It was also emotionally painful. Apparently, I was discovered in a cave eating bat meat by the Peruvian military. Fortunately, they had sent out a search party. I wandered away from the ayahuasca ceremony. Of course, it begins with an...

intensive bout of vomiting. And then I saw angels. Then I saw devils. And then I saw some combination of the two and the d'angels. I don't know what you'd call them. And I became very scared. And I just started to run. And I ran as far as my barefoot feet could take me in the Andes Mountains. But eventually I was found and here we are having a nice little chitty chat. Wow. So that whole experience leads you to coming back to the whole paranormal talk radio and stuff. How'd you get involved in the paranormal talk? I mean, did you have a personal experience or how did that whole thing start for you with interest? Well, I did. Tony, it happened on a couple of different levels. If we're going way, way back, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the movie Ghost Dad with

Bill Cosby. Actually, I am not. I'm not much of a movie buff. Well, Ghost Dad, 1989. is a classic by him who shall not be named. No, I'm not talking about Voldemort. I'm talking about Bill Cosby. And, you know, the title says it all. He was a dad and he was a ghost. Enchanting. Well, I, Tony, was raised by a ghost mom.

Really? Yes, I was raised by a spectral mother. She left me and my father when I was about four, five years old, um, with a, uh, specialty carpet,

uh, professional. And, uh, apparently she passed away out on the road with him, um, nothing to do with vacuum cleaners or shampooers or anything like that. I'm not sure what the circumstances were.

But all of a sudden, I found myself one day making myself a peanut butter and jelly sandwich after school. And there she was. She appeared to me and was stood at my side. And she said, I know I've been gone, but I want to be in your life. I want to be your mother.

I'm on the other side, but that doesn't mean that we can't be close and that we can't communicate and we can't hug. Hugging is challenging with the spectral. It's not very tangible, Tony. But the idea was just beautiful. And we laughed. Oh, we had such a good time together. We laughed. we chortled.

And she took over making the sandwich from me right then and there. And I was like, oh, this is what it feels like to have a mother. Now, of course, she couldn't make the sandwich because she had ghost hands. She couldn't pick up the knife. But she was lovely. And, you know, Dr. Schneiderman, the neighbors, everyone thought, oh, this kid is delusional. You know, he's making up imaginary friends. My father was very concerned.

I went to see Dr. Schneiderman for many years. for many years, but I know, and at the end of the day, I think you, Tony, and I think your listeners know that this was true. And I developed a very intimate rapport with my mother while she was behind the veil, so to speak. Wow. Well, I guess you don't have to worry about a lot of things that other people have to worry about. I mean, losing a mother, your mother's going to be with you for the rest of your life, right? She is still with me, right? What? No, I'm on it right now. I'm recording right now. Yeah. No. Yeah, grape jelly's fine. She's she's with me all the time. And frankly, it's a bit much. I understand. It seems like she interrupts

sometimes. Indeed. Indeed, she does. So on your show then, I mean, since you have this past with, you know, growing up with a mother like yours, is it, do you ever come across stories on your show that kind of catch you off guard because, I mean, your life story and history is pretty, pretty unique. Yes, I've heard, I've heard dozens of stories, hundreds of stories that have, quite frankly, um, sent me reeling. Um, occasionally someone, uh, calls in claiming to be me from the future. And they, they sound just like me, Tony. It just sounds like old Terry with a little. little bit of static interference and he claims to know what is going to happen to me. I keep asking him for stock tips, but of course he won't he won't budge on that. But we've had some we've had time

travelers, many time travelers. I guess, you know, what I try and do, and like you, I'm just, I'm a lubricant that one can rub all over a conversation. So we're having a conversation. We're having a conversation, you just spritz me all over that conversation and just get it nice and just wet and lubed up and moving forward back and forth and in and out. And that's fine. But also what I am is I am a point of solace for many listeners. We had a young woman call in the other day and her boyfriend, her boyfriend was a werewolf. and she wasn't sure whether to marry him or not. She wasn't sure whether she could have children with him.

I mean, we don't know in the Lupine world, how do those genes get passed down? I mean, there's some fundamentally kind of bizarre, challenging, and arresting questions that come with the paranormal. Indeed, indeed. What do you think about some of these topics then? I mean, if you're talking to somebody who wants to marry or isn't sure if they should marry a werewolf, you seem to have covered a lot of different topics. Now, on this week's episode for my show, I have a guy who came on and shared a story of a friend of his who had a grandfather who saw a Bigfoot stealing two of his sheep. And he actually shot at the Bigfoot and had an

overwhelming sense of fear. And I wanted to ask you, as somebody who's experienced with talking these people, have you ever picked up anything where you're like, I certainly wouldn't do that? How would you react to, you know, seeing a bigfoot stealing sheep? I mean, do you have any pearls of wisdom there for people to take with? Well, you know, he should have grabbed his camera instead of his gun, and he'd probably be a very wealthy man, right? He could have sold that sucker to the Weekly World News. Does that still exist?

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not exactly sure. And hello, $10,000 in my bank account later. Thank you, thank you, camera. I would never shoot. at a big foot i mean what how much does a couple of sheep cost what is that what is he out like three hundred dollars like big big whoopty whoop right um also what happens if he wings it it turns on him it's only been clipped the gun jams now that's a movie i would watch that's a problem

that's a problem that would be an excellent film it's almost like a predator you know only it's bigfoot coming after their old farmer. I would leave a certain, I would just have a certain number of sheep that you leave to the Bigfoot as an ancient human would make a sacrifice to the gods. That makes sense. I mean, if you get more sheep than you need,

then there's always sheep there for the Bigfoot then. But do the Bigfoot utilize the wool? That's the first place. My brain went to. I mean, what need have they for wool? Is it just only for meat? which is such a shame. But I think Sasquatch have been known to use every part of the animal,

much like their Native American forebears. Maybe it's to blend into the surrounding during the wintertime when the snow's on the ground, you know? Maybe that's something there. Perhaps a woolen hat. There you go. You never know. I mean, do Bigfoot actually lose hair as they get older?

Maybe they have a need for the hat. Interesting. Now, I wanted to ask you about, have you ever heard of the goat man? Have you ever heard of anybody calling in about a goat man? Now, I've heard of the goat man. I've read of the goat man. We've not had any callers.

What can you tell me? Well, I was hoping you could tell me because I'm not exactly sure what the goat man is. I wasn't sure if it was a Baphomet or something that was more sinister along the demonic lines. But again, on this week's show, I have a person coming on to talk about such things where he and his friend saw this looking like a half goat, half man creature. And they had some glow sticks outside this warehouse. they were doing paranormal investigations, and it actually picked up their glowstick. And I just wasn't sure if you had any thoughts on Goatman, whether it was more along the lines of a demonic Baphimed or if it was some kind of crypted like a Bigfoot. Or Chupacabra.

Yes, so many excellent questions. Now, could the Goat Man be a satyr or a fawn, as in from ancient Greek legend and mythology? Or is said goat man demonic? I think it's I think it has to do with creatures that cross over from the dark side. And I am guessing that this goat men, I don't know if there's multiple or if it's just one. I'm going to assume there's many.

They may be scouts for the dark lord, for Satan himself. That's a possibility. That's a possibility. Now, have you heard of the hollow earth theory and stuff because maybe these creatures do come from the inner earth. Certainly. Certainly. I don't know whether the earth itself is hollow, but I don't understand why that simply couldn't be a portal from another dimension, from a dark dimension. Yes, yes. Portals is something that people talk about coming across in the woods and seeing, you know, things coming in and out and stuff.

So I've never heard of a goat man coming in and out of a portal and stuff, but I'm sure the possibility is there for sure. Now, what about the duck men at the highest levels of the government, half man, half duck? That is new to me. That's something that you've heard of? I have. I have. And I think after work hours, they put their bills back on. But if you're able to, you know, unbuckle their belt and drop their trousers immediately, you see giant white, roughly, feathers on their bums. That's interesting. And these are, and these are people in housing and Irving. urban development and in the Defense Department, Department of Education, IRS, highest levels. Wow. So are they higher than the reptilian people? Because I heard about the reptilians and stuff.

Are these duckmen higher levels than that? I think there's some kind of a, it's like a gang war. It's like the sharks and the jets, the duckmen versus the reptilian people, but in government. So now, what's the difference between a duck man in a furry, someone who just likes to put on a rabbit costume and cuddle and go to Comic-Conn's. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe one day we'll come across one we can ask them. I don't know, though. It's very interesting. I think that would be a good idea. Yeah. Now, you're kind of like the paranormal Joe Rogan, aren't you? Uh, maybe. Maybe. I have, I'm very uncomfortable being compared to somebody as great as him, but it'd be amazing if I was.

So I actually hope that, you know, I could just kind of follow in your footsteps and stuff. There you go. Good answer. Right answer. Ding, ding. Yeah, I was grasping as straws there. But yes, because you have actually laid the groundwork for 32 years. Now, you brought up the duckmen.

Now, do you go into the conspiracies and things like that? Like, I don't know, MK Ultra or things like that when it comes to your program? Are you open to talking about that? Well, MK. Ultra is not a conspiracy. It's a fact. You know, this was, you know, this was, you know, celebrities at the highest level, Hollywood denizens who are being dosed with LSD by the CIA. There's incontrovertible truth.

This is absolutely backed up by facts. But there are other, you know, quote unquote conspiracies that some I struggle with viruses being created by 5G cell towers. I'm not saying no. I am always, as you know, Tony, open to all possibilities. But some of those, I have some questions. I have some questions. The jury's out. What about then if we're going to talk about conspiracies and such? And I actually, you know, I understand where you're coming from with some of these things. But UFOs, for the longest time, that was considered a conspiracy. But now we have our government coming out and saying that these things are real. and just next month they're setting to do some kind of disclosure. I mean, what are your thoughts on all this stuff? Well, I'm so glad you brought that up, but this is a new day for all of us in the paranormal supernatural fields.

A new day has dawned where finally the government has stopped denying the incontrovertible evidence of unidentified flying objects, that they are not human, they seem to be manned. They seem to be operating on some kind of higher level intelligence and technology. And it's just a fact.

It always has been. So this has obviously greatly buoyed my spirits and others as well. My question is, if the aliens, what are they doing here? Like, are they just observing? Are they just waiting for World War III? Are they kind of learning about culture?

Perhaps they're listening to this podcast right now. But what are they doing? And if so, wouldn't they have a technology to be able to observe humanity without showing that they're here? That's a great question. Couldn't they be hiding behind the moon with like an antenna and like peek out occasionally and see what's going on? Do they really need to be flying their pyramid or tick-tac-shaped, you know, vessels, you know, over Cuba or over Mount Shasta? For Christ's sakes. I never really thought about that, and that's a great question.

Maybe there's an actual physical reason why they need to be here. Maybe they are considering revealing themselves to the world and kind of have to be here to do that. I would imagine a hologram would be not the way to go. because then people would say it's conspiracy. It's not real. So it's something more than simply observation, perhaps colonization. Maybe. Maybe they planted us here a long time ago, and they are now getting ready to say, Daddy's home. They're seeing how we're doing, yes. And how are we doing, Tony? Not very good, frankly. Not very good at all.

That's very true. Well, listen, Mr. Terry Kornation, before I, let you go. I wanted to ask you, because a lot of people have been emailing me asking me where to find your program, which I don't understand why they haven't been able to find it. But if you could just clear- Just open your computer and use bin. Exactly. Or ask Jeeves. Exactly. It's all there. But it seems like a little bit of conspiracy to me that people can't find your program as if somebody doesn't want it to be found. So if you could talk about people. That's ridiculous. Well, as you know, I'm a terrestrial radio, KSB, Los Angeles. That is, a little bit difficult to find.

But these kids these days, and I'm sure you're aware of this, what we used to call a radio show, they now just record and call a podcast. Why do they call it a podcast, Tony? Because it is available to download on your iPod. And hence the word podcast. So that's what we've been doing with dark air with Terry Carnation, is recording it. It's a radio show. It's also a bit of an audio book and it is a podcast.

So, for instance, I have an iPod second generation. I can have 147 songs stored on this thing. That's 147. And it's, I mean, it's the size of a, of a cigario. So just go to wherever podcasts are downloaded and just download it right on. onto your iPod and then you can listen to it at any time. Awesome. Well, I'm sure people are going to be absolutely thrilled now that they know exactly where to find your program. Indeed. Indeed. Tony, I wish you the very best with your show. This has been a wonderful confession. I actually was

going to con- I thought this was a Catholic podcast. I was going to be confessing some of my darker crimes. But, hey, if you want to go ahead and do that, we can do that. That's fine with me. or maybe another time. I killed my cousin Walter when I was seven. Oh, okay. Well, I don't know if that's the exact confession we're looking for that there might be liabilities involved. We were playing with a sit-in, ride in a lawnmower,

and I backed into him and shredded his leg and he bled to death in front of my eyes. Were you at... So it was an accident. It's okay. It's all right. It was an accident, but the screams that preceded this event were just us. It was just horseplay.

I swear it was horseplay. It was not an argument. We were not fighting. And when I was shouting at him, you deserve to die, Walter. We were playing a spy game. So, but. do you have anything for do you have any retribution for me do you have any any any i i really think you might have had the program confused with a different type of program uh i i don't oh it just feels so

good to get that off my chest oh finally well i'm glad i was able to help you with that really but um do you forgive me tony yeah yeah does joe rogan forgive me forgive me Yeah, yeah, we're all good here, sir. We're all good here. Excellent. Yes. Excellent. Well, thank you.

Thank you so much. I feel 20 pounds lighter, which I could stand to lose a few. And thank you so much. And it was nice talking about the paranormal with you as well. So win-win, double bonus. Win-win. Thanks a lot, sir. Thank you for having me.

That got awkward. Yep. Welcome to the show, everybody you're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story you like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email or go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the contact section,

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Now, today we have Jamal coming on the show. And Jamal was on the show before. And he shared a lot of his experiences from the Native American perspective with the Skinwalker and his experiences with such entities. And today, he's back to talk about Bigfoot and Goat Man. These are jaw-dropping stories. I'm really glad Jamal is here to share them with you. So let's get to Jamal right now. All right, today we got a returning guest to the show. We have Jamal. Jamal. How you doing, man? Good. How you doing, Johnny? I'm doing good, man. So long time, no talk, right? No, actually, it's been about a month for us. Now, I don't know if it's going to be a

month for everybody else. I have no idea when these two interviews are going to be aired and all that stuff. But, uh, dude, man, the first interview that I did with you impressed me a lot. And I had to have you back on. And I think if I remember correctly, you and I scheduled it right there after we were done recording, right? Yeah, right after the interview was done. Yeah. Which was surprising me so. Yeah. I mean, there was no. All right, reach out to Lindsay and she'll get a schedule. I'm like, let's get it done now. So, uh, you know, by time everybody's hearing this interview, they had heard the first one. So hopefully everybody enjoyed the first one because they're going to get more of you today. But listen, we're going to talk about a lot of different topics today, or at least

we're going to go through as many topics as we can today. Just to give the audience a brief outlook as to what we're still going to be talking about with you. I have a list here of aliens, Bigfoot, Little People, Goat, Men, Ghost Boy, and Levitating Witch. And I'm sure you might sprinkle some other stuff in there too. So, yeah, Jamal, man. I'm really excited about talking to you. Let's start off the Bigfoot stuff, man. Talk to me. What do you got? Okay, so, I just want to say thank you for having me on the show with a second time. It's an honor. I'll get right into it. All right. So we'll start up with the Bigfoot stories that I have. So, you know, I've always been a believer in Bigfoot. I'm just kind of the person I am. I'm pretty open-minded. But what really got me

started on Bigfoot is the story that my friend, and this is the same friend from the first interview we did, we tend to, we're into the same thing. So every story he has, he tells me and every story I have, I tell him. But this is a story of his grandfather, who, you know, a lot of Native Americans, they take care of sheep. And usually, like, during the summertime, they're, in the mountains. And then when it's cold, they come down from the mountains. So they usually have like two homes. So they're always going back and forth between them.

But this story takes place in the summertime because, oh, yeah, it takes place in the summertime. And he, my friend's grandfather just got done taking his sheep up to the mountain. And it's, he's heard things before, but he doesn't really, pay too much mind to it. But I guess this one time, when he was up there during the summertime, he was asleep. This is probably around maybe 9 or 10 p.m. So it was pretty dark.

And usually the elderly is around here. They like to go to sleep early, get up early. It's just kind of how it is. But he was asleep, and it's just him. He has a gun. and he has a few sheep that he tends to. So he's asleep. He hears, like, his sheep, like, some things have.

There's some kind of commotion going on, so he hears his sheep, like, yelling. So he doesn't, like, he doesn't know what's going on. So he gets up, he puts his shoes on, gets his jacket, and he walks outside with his gun to see what's going on. And right now, he's kind of just, like, on his porch. and it's a clear night, the moon shining, so it's pretty lit, but... And his sheep girl is not that far from his house, and he hears them yelling, and he's kind of confused,

and when he puts his glasses on, and he kind of, like, has taken a closer look out there to see what's going on, because maybe he's sneaking, maybe, like, a bear or something, a bobcat or something, some kind of wild animal might be there with his sheep or something. So he gets a little closer and he maybe gets maybe a couple of feet from his house and he sees something stand up. And it's like it's huge. the way my friend

described it the way his grandfather described it was like it was tall and it had very like broad shoulders and it was probably around maybe

eight and a half nine feet tall it was pretty big so he's just standing there staring at this thing and

and this big foot for a Sasquatch grabs two of his grandfather's sheep and kind of just like chucks him over both his shoulders and he's just walking away

and what my friend's grandfather did in that moment was he was just frozen he didn't know like what to do you you couldn't believe what he was seen and so the only thing he could think of

was to shoot in the direction of the Sasquatch to try to get it to drop his sheep. So he aims the rifle down. I don't think he intentionally wanted to shoot it, but he did shoot in its general direction. And when it fired, he said this thing just it stopped, like where it was, it stopped in its path and it turned around and it looked at him. and it just like just stared at him and that's that's all he said is it just stared at him like it was like angry and he kind of got this weird like feeling like like the thing was like

he felt like the thing was telling him not not like telepathically but it's just a feeling he got like it like it said like you don't want to do that yeah like so he just lowered his gun and he kind of just like started backing away into his house. And then the saskatch just slowly turns back into the direction he was heading and then he just starts walking away with both the sheep on his shoulders. And he's just like casually just walking away from the corral. And like this friend's grandfather goes back into his house and he kind of, he's just like awake for the rest of the night until morning comes.

And he didn't really. know what to do. So I guess he kind of just started like getting his sheep together got on his horse and made his way back down to the back to his house out of the mountains. And I think he spent the rest of the summer away from the mountains because he didn't want to

deal with any of that. So he was kind of scared I guess in a way. And this I think this happened like in the early 2000s somewhere around there. So it was So when I heard that story, I was kind of just like, whoa, that's pretty cool. And then also there was this same friend.

It's his aunt, his uncle, and his cousins. In the mountains. This is all on the reservation, by the way. I should have mentioned that earlier, but it's on the reservation. It's on a mountain called Cheshka. Cheshka mountain It's a pretty long stretch of that one

It's not huge But it's there It kind of divides It's kind of funny It divides New Mexico From Arizona Kind of But

I guess His aunt-uncle Have a cabin in the woods That they like to spend time in Whenever they can Usually during the summertime And One time

He did go up there It was the first only time he kind of went up there. But his aunt invited him out there to spend time with his cousins and mountains, and he was up for it. So he goes into the mountains, and they arrive at the cabin. Everything's pretty normal and nothing out of the ordinary. And when it starts getting dark, probably around eight. 8, 8.30, they start telling them to get inside and that they're going to go ahead and start locking up the cabin. And he was kind of confused. He didn't know what's going on. He just thought

it was kind of strange because I think he wanted to kind of hang out at night and just hang out with his cousins. But his aunt and uncle told them to all come inside. So they did. And I guess his cousins were, you know, it's like a routine. Like whenever they go up there, it's something they'd always do so they don't really, like, question it. So they're kind of used to it, but he's kind of just like, my friends just kind of like, I don't know what's going on. And then they get everything locked up and they have these like weird, like blackout curtains that they put over the windows on the outside. So they do that. And he was just like, this is kind of weird what is going on here.

And then the inside they have these wooden boards that they kind of just put up against the window. And then they have these locks that they put on the doors on the inside, like a few of them. And then

they have a generator up there, so they turn that off. And there's only one light stores coming from a lamp and it's like a very dim kind of a light. So again, my friend's just like this is kind of weird like I don't know what's going on here

so when it's it's probably like around 9, 915 and he gets a little curious so he asks his aunt and uncle like what's what's going why are you guys doing this?

Kind of weird and they just told him that he'll he'll know in a bit but they just tell him that you know be quiet try not to make too much noise, don't move around too much, just lay down and be quiet.

And so he was kind of confused, but he's their guest, so he kind of just, like, okay, I'll do that. And then around like 9.30, he's laying down, he's on the floor, he's sleeping on the floor, him and his cousins are sleeping in the room or in the living room, and his aunt and uncle are sleeping in their room. dark windows are kind of blocked out doors are heavily locked and he just hears like some really loud thumping outside and he looks toward his cousins and they're just like have their like one of them has like their finger over his mouth like shh and and he's he he's yeah so he's confused but he's starting to get a little scared at this point he's like he's like what what's going on. I don't know. So his cousins are just like,

he just got to be. And then he hears the thumphing getting louder and louder. Like it's coming toward his, his cousin's cabin. And then he hears like something like right outside the door. And it's kind of just like feeling like around the door. Like it's, I don't know if it's like just curious or.

It's trying to get in, but it's there for maybe a couple of seconds. And then he says it starts, he starts hearing the thumping, like walk around the house, go toward the windows. And then he hears something like a noise, like something breaking. And I guess this thing pulled that blackout curtain thing off the outside of the cabin. and that kind of just went on for about 30 minutes, 30, 45 minutes. And my friend's just scared, and his cousins are just like, you just gotta be quiet, man. And then 30, 40 minutes pass and this thing, he just hears it, like, walking away slowly. And he, like, before it walked away, he heard, like, this thing was, like, kind of, like, frustrated or something.

like I think it was like curious I wanted to see what was happening in this cabin and I guess it's not the first time that's happened hence why they kind of had everything like worded up everybody indoors before it got too dark and everything locked up but he kind of heard like some like huffing or something

and around like 10 30 11 he's still awake he's scared he doesn't know what is happening and he's looking at his cousin and then they kind of start talking a little normal. They're no longer whispering. And they were just like, yeah, it's like, sorry, this happens a lot when we're up here. You just got to be quiet and let it do its thing and we're good.

And he was just like, what is that? And his cousins, she's just like, oh, it's the Sasquatch. It's a big foot. And there was like, so they were just like kind of just going back and forth talking about it all night. And they eventually, eventually he falls asleep because his cousin's falls asleep first and he's kind of just like bored there. And he's like kind of thinking like, well, if they can fall asleep with this thing outside, then I'm pretty sure I'm fine. So he falls asleep come morning. He asks his uncle and auntie about them and they kind of just had the same thing. His cousin said, and he's like, yeah, it's a big foot. It happens more often than we'd like.

but we were prepared for it. And I see, he was kind of scared, so he just wanted to go home. So they were like, all right, we'll take you home. And that was his weekend trip with his cousins. And when he told me that story, I was just like, well, that is cool. Like, do you want to hear of your aunt and uncle invite me out there?

I kind of want to experience this to myself. I want to see this. but yeah he I guess he kind of just kind of like backed away from his aunt and uncle that part that side of the family he kind of just like kind of stayed away from them

he didn't want to go back up the mountains anymore with them so yeah that was that was pretty pretty cool experience that he had um and this was kind of like added to my uh belief like I believe even more now that

Bigfoot is real. And this one's kind of like my own personal story. Like, so when it happened, I didn't really think too much of it. I kind of forgot about it for a little bit. But like, I think a year or two ago, I kind of like gave it some thought because I was just listening to your podcast. And I was also listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. And it kind of triggered his memory. I mean, it's always been there, but, like, the scary side or the weird side of that story, it kind of, like, came back.

And because, like, I was, like, trying to remember, like, why did I rush out of that area so fast? I can't remember. And then when I started hearing your podcast, Sasquatch Chronicles, it kind of, like, triggered it. It's like, oh, that's why I got out of that area so fast. But basically, when I was younger, my stepfather had a four-wheeler, and I would always, like, every chance I would get on it and go for a ride. And this is out on the reservation. And this was probably, like, we just got out of school. And my sister and I were home alone.

I was like, hey, I'm going to go for a ride on the four-wheeler. I'll be back later. And my younger sister, who's a year younger than me, was like, hey, I want to go with you. I want to go for a ride? And I was like, all right, let's go. So we go out back at my parents' house, start up the four-wheeler. And it's about like 7.7.30. My parents aren't back yet.

I'm pretty sure they're probably working late that day. and we go for a ride and we head we go I'm not good with directions say south we go south probably about half a mile we have to ride on the road for a little bit and then we get off a little trail and that's the trail I took and it heads to a little ditch

a lot of people kind of use it if they have like motorcycles or four wheeler or something and they kind of just hang out there. So I was like, okay, we'll go there. There's some pretty cool, like, hills we can ride up or something. So we go there, we get there, and we're kind of just, like, going up and down the hills in that area. You know, just being kids, hanging out, having fun. And then, like, I stopped because my sister was like, can I drive it?

And I was like, I'm not sure. I was like, fine. and like I left the engine on. I was getting ready to get off and we were at the bottom of this ditch. And I kind of like, I'm just looking around because I get this weird feeling like something's watching me. And that's one feeling that confuses me about

where people get the feeling that something's watching them. That's something I got. So I was looking around and around a corner there's something standing there so the ditch

is kind of like it curved and like it curved to the right and we're at the bottom and my sister's getting ready to get off and I'm just looking

in this direction because I have a feeling there's like there's something here watching me and I'm just staring and this thing is big

it's like it's covered in fur it was a very dark brown, maybe black color. And it it's just like it just like slowly like

peeks out around the corner with the tans on the like the really steep hill and it's just like looking at us. And I'm like my eyes are wide open and I'm like, oh my God, what is that? What is that?

And so when I tell my sister like, hey, do you see that? Can you see this? And she looks up and she starts screaming. And I just tell her to hang on. And when she, my sister, like, puts your armor on me, I just take off on the four-wheeler. I turn around as quickly as I can.

And I started going up this hill because I was kind of scared. I didn't know what that was. When I turned to look back, it's kind of just like barely peeking out, looking at us. and I just turned back straight, look back forward and I'm out of there and for the longest time

I couldn't remember like the details of it I just knew it was big it was furry and it was very dark and it was just staring at us and I think it was just like curious

like what are these guys doing here because I have heard stories from friends and family to like the the Sasquatch Bigfoot like to use these ditches to like go in between places

because it's low vehicles can't see them when they're driving by and there's these tunnels throughout the area that they can just kind of take cover in so I'm pretty sure I'm positive I might have saw a Sasquatch

then if not maybe a dog man I'm not sure or yeah well dog man thing is kind of new to me. I've always thought of these things as like werewolves or something. So the dog man bigfoot phenomenon, would you rather have it be a big foot or a dog man? I would rather have it be a big foot because that's what I kind of grown up on and the dog man thing is pretty new to me. It's something I, like, I'm open-minded,

but it's something that I can't really wrap my head around, really. It's a little weird. I think it's funny. You're like, I'm open-minded, but last show we talked about Skinwalker, now we're talking about Bigfoot, little people,

goat, man, ghost boy, aliens. You're like, I'm open-minded. Yeah. I mean, like, werewolves,

they seem to them in movies, but like in real life, I've never actually, like, heard stories about it. Yeah. The reason why I would say it was, it might be a dog man,

or a werewolf because its mouth area was like kind of elongated a little bit, not too much. And when I heard your podcast, Sasquatch Chronicles talking about dogman describing, I have no idea. Like I was pretty certain it was a Sasquatch, but I might be wrong. It might be a dog man or werewolf or something. I don't know. It's pretty weird. Very confusing. Yeah, well, I mean, go ahead.

Yeah, no, you're... I mean, these categories are definitely confusing. I mean, it's hard to make sense as to what's what. It's hard to understand what Sasquatch is, Bigfoot, or any of these other topics and stuff. But what we do know is that people are seeing this stuff out there. And there's more than one person seeing this stuff. I mean, there's lots and lots of people. So from somebody who hasn't seen any of these things, that's why I go forward with it.

Because I start thinking, man, these things got to be. real if everybody's seen them. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, those are, those are the few Sasquatch stories that I have that kind of stand out. Well, let me ask you real quick, your friend here. Yeah. Now, he has this experience in his cousin's home. And the whole family's just like, yeah, it's Sasquatch. We prefer them not to come around, but they come around. He says that he hasn't gone back. He doesn't go back there anymore. Is it that like he feels, I'm assuming it's the area, not the family, right? That's what I'm trying to ask.

Yeah, it's the area because it's, there's like so many, like, so I will say this, the mountains, especially the mountains, but pretty much all over the reservation. There's a lot of weird stuff that goes on out there. And I think that was just like, it was too close of a chance that he was comfortable with. So he was just like He didn't want to do it again He didn't want to experience that again Yeah

Yeah because like I think he He's interested in the stuff But he might be a little like kind of scared To find it Because And then in the previous interview I was telling about the weird

Humanoid thing toward the end Where We were on top of the daycare And I wanted to go down because I wanted to get a closer look at this thing and my friend, he didn't want to go down and he didn't want to mess with that. So, yeah, I don't know.

But yeah. And then, sorry, like, 2013, 14, but my, I guess there's, like, a huge hype about a Sasquatch footprint's ever found up in those mountains or, like, down below the mountains. Not too far from where my sister's ex lives. I guess his father is like a

like a ranger and he was in charge of that case to figure out what this thing was but apparently someone found Sasquatch footprints it was in the newspaper and everything people were talking about it where I work

and I guess nothing came of it I think they just kind of let it go and that was kind of it yeah it's interesting when that kind of stuff pops up in the news and you know they make a big stink about it because it's, I mean, yeah, footprints are, they're interesting and, you know, it's tangible evidence that something either really big was there or somebody was trying to make you think

something was really big there. But it's that tangible evidence that, you know, the skeptics especially are looking for. They're just like, I, if it's out there, I got to believe it by, you know, the evidence, the whatever it leaves behind or seeing it myself. But, you know, there's so much stuff going on with Bigfoot and these sightings that, I mean, if they really wanted to focus in on the topic, they'd have a treasure trove of things to write about because footprints is the least of it, you know? Those are my, the few sets of the stories that I have. I mean, any chance I get to talk to anybody about this,

hear their stories or stories they've heard, I will, you know, listen and tell them my stories, exchange stories. For me, I like building up a collection of whatever, like, paranormal, supernatural, weird stories that people have and just kind of take that and add it to my little story inventory so I can tell to other people later. Well, all right, so those are your Sasquatch stories. Where do you want to go from here? I mean, we got plenty of topics to talk about.

would you like to talk about the let's do this let's let's go goat man since that's kind of like the next type of cryptid on the list that actually isn't an alien so oh yeah okay so this one's kind of new to me uh and um and my when i think he was probably like i've only i've known about it for like maybe five, six years. And so I've never heard anything about like goat man or anything. So it's like

you'd like I've seen the movie called black sheep where it's like weird like sheep that turn into like monsters or something. And I was like oh that's pretty interesting. That's pretty cool. But I never thought it was like an actual thing like a half man have goat kind of a creature, I guess you can say.

But what kind of turned me on to the topic was what happened a couple years ago. It was a me, the same friend that is Sasquatch and the Skinwalker, the same guy, same friend. It's me, it's him, and there's this girl that he likes. He has a huge crush on her, and then my idea was like, hey, why don't you invite her out to one of our hunts and see what kind of scary stuff we can find? And he's like, okay, let's do that. So that's just what, I've always been that kind of person. Like, let's go look for something weird.

So he invites her, and we decided to go in her vehicle since she has a truck. And at this time, my friend didn't have a vehicle, and I had a vehicle, but I don't like taking it off road. But she lives probably about an hour away. My friend's already at my parents' place. He was staying the weekend there, and she decides to drive all the way out to pick us. up and then we go to this area, which is this middle school that I used to go to. It's called Toholina Community School. It's on the reservation. It's just below the Cheshka Mountain. And this is kind of where a lot of stuff kind of happens. There's like a lot of stuff that happens here, a whole lot. But anyways, so it's a fairly new building. I think it's our facility. I think they have like preschool all the way to eighth grade and then that's the only like classes they have. But it's, I think the new facilities have been there for maybe 50 years or so, 40, 50 years.

Before that, there's a old school that's right next to it, but those are like, they look kind of just like housing. or buildings and those have been there for a long time and those were like boarding schools and for Native Americans not a happy place which is why I think there's a lot of like negative energy there because there's just so much stuff that went on there but that might be a story for another time but these buildings that we were in where the old school was is abandoned so it's just this big area, just full of like buildings that are just falling apart. And we decided to go there because we wanted to see something. We didn't know what we were looking for.

We just went in there with an open mind. Like, oh, let's see what we find. Maybe we'll find something. Maybe we'll see a skin walker. Maybe we'll see an alien. Maybe we'll see a big foot. We'll see. So we get there.

We pull up. And we're kind of just hanging out in my. my friend's crush. I'll just call her friend too. We sat in her truck. We're there for like 20 minutes and we were kind of just like exchanging scary stories just trying to get us like in the mood, hyped up to go look for this stuff. She didn't have any scary stories to tell because I think she kind of just kind of tends to stay away from this stuff.

But we tell her all of our experiences of stuff that kind of went on around there. And so, we're like, yeah, well, let's, let's get out. Let's go, let's go look in some of these houses. I mean, we're not supposed to be in these houses, but we do it anyways. I think a lot of people do it. And if you go inside these abandoned buildings, they're tacked up with a lot of graffiti. Absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah. But there's these abandoned buildings, or, yeah, buildings. There's like five. So when you're going to school, you go to a curve, and there's five buildings on the right side, and there's like another lane. That road's closed off, but another lane with six or seven buildings on each side that are abandoned. And you go further down the road, then it's the new facility.

It's probably like maybe half a mile long. And then there's the old school building, which is like this huge, white house. It's like I think it's where they did the majority of their classes and stuff but it's a huge, it's abandoned, a lot of stories for that too there too, like a lot of paranormal ghost stories for that building too. But we pull up

to the houses on the right side of the road. We're parked behind the building. There's a little pathway. People will kind of just like go back there. They'll park there. But we get out of the vehicle. We're walking around. We're seeing which houses are open because we don't really want to like, if it's broken, if it's already broken, then we'll go in. If it's pretty heavily boarded, we're not going to try to go in there. But there's, like, building in the middle. And the board, it had, like, boards on the window before, but this time it was removed, so there's

just this glass, like there. And the window was probably, like, maybe a foot, foot and half by, like, a foot and a half wide. So we're like, oh, let's go on this building. Let's see what's in here. And also, I should mention, this is probably, this is around, like, 10, 11 p.m. We had to do this stuff at night because it's the best time to do it. So we go to this building, the board's gone, and we're like, okay, let's break the window. see what's in this thing. So we broke the window.

There's still a glass on there. So I was wearing a sweater. I took it off and I kind of just put it on the glass just so we don't cut ourselves. And then we jump in or I go in first and then my friend comes in and then his crush comes in. And we're all in that building. We're just kind of with looking around. we have like two flashlights and we got these like glow sticks like the weird we got them from a place here called the bunker it's like they sell like a bunch of like surplus supplies or something and they had these really huge glow sticks that are like really bright so we got a couple of those you cracked one threw it on the ground and it lit up the whole room and there's like several

rooms and we're kind of just like looking around in them seeing what we can find uh just exploring and then we hear something walking around outside and we're kind of like like hey everybody be quiet just listen and we hear like something walking around it sounds like hooves and me

I'm trying to think logically or realistically here and I might just be like some gears like we think we're fine so okay it might be like some deer's but it started like walking around the building that we were in. And we're kind of just like, like it's a very curious deer.

Like what is it doing? But it didn't sound like it was walking on four legs. It sounded like it was just two hooves on the ground. And the ground's pretty solid around there. And we hear like twigs breaking. And then we hear like some heavy breathing. And we're like, do dears do that? Do deer's, like, heavy breathe?

I'm, like, ask my friend that, and he's like, I don't know. Like, I never, I don't spend that much time around deer. I'm like, oh, well, it's kind of weird. Like, maybe we should just be quiet because I feel like something, I feel like that's not a deer outside. And we just, like, we're just silent. And my friend standing close to his friend. and I'm just like standing there

like I was like silent for like maybe a minute and we started to hear like a it doesn't sound like a deer and my friends her friend's just looking at the his the girl and she's just like got her hand over her mouth and she's like I think she was like really terrified of what was happening

and then he just kind of like got his arm around her like I'm just over there like I mean like in a situation like this I tend to make jokes just try to lighten the mood I'm just like hey man you want to hold me too man I'm scared you so um he's just looking at me he's like shut up I'm like I'm sorry sorry and we're just like quiet again for maybe another couple of seconds and then we start hearing it like walk toward, like we hear it like on the right side of the building, right, we're faced toward the window that we were in, and on the right side we hear it, like, walking in it. And we didn't want it to find the window that we came in from because we didn't want it to block our only way out.

So we look around really quick, and we find the board, and I guess it was a board that was on the, like on the outside. So, like, we hurry up and, like, get to the window. We reach out, we grab it, you pull it in, and then we kind of just push it up against the window. And we're just, like, really quiet. My friends with the girl, and I just got my hands pushed up against the board. And I'm just like, we're just, like, really quiet. And then we hear it, like, walks right next to the window.

And it's standing there. I think it might have heard us. We're trying to be as quiet as possible. but obviously that's not going to happen. So it's standing there, outside. We hear it breathing again and just making that noise that it made earlier. And I'm just like, oh, God, this is, like,

I'm just thinking this in my head. Like, I hope it doesn't, like, please go away, please go away, please go away, please go away. And then we, and then, like, it just gets quiet. And I'm not sure if it's still there. I didn't hear it walk off, so I'm not going to move the board. and then you start hearing it, like, walk away from the window. And it sounds like it's going towards my friend's girl's truck.

And then I'll just hear, like, start fading away. And I was like, okay, I think it's gone. Like, I looked toward my friend and it's like, like, hey, man, do you want to get out of here? And he's like, yeah, let's go, let's go. So I slowly put the board down. and then I look out the window to see what's like see it's still there

and I'm just looking out the window for a couple seconds and I'm like I kind of like glanced towards my friend and I'm like I think it's gone so I was the first one to go through so I put my sweater back on the window I crawl back through the window and then my sweater falls

So I went to go pick it up And then I hear something So like right behind me I'm facing the window Pick up my sweater And I hear it behind me I hear like a little twig break And then I just hear that same thing

And just like oh my God I look back And I don't see anything And like I'm like I'm in shock I'm like I'm scared I don't know what to do Or what's going on Or what's going to happen

And so I look toward my friend slowly Because it's pretty dark There's a bunch of trees everywhere And it's cloudy So I couldn't really see So I just looked at my friend I was like hey throw me And he was like okay

It's like break it and then give it to me So he does it he breaks it And he shakes the ghost like to like lighten it up He hands it to me slowly And then like as soon as he Gives it to me I grab it I turn around and I just chucked this thing

Toward where I heard the sounds coming from a tree and where my friends crush his truck is parked I chuck it toward it there with no like

I wasn't aiming or anything I was just like okay I'm going to throw it here so I threw it and this thing it was like maybe five five and a half feet tall and it was very like

I mean like brown longish curly hair and it just jumps out from behind the tree and grabs the glow stick and then jumps in the back of my friend's girlfriend's truck crush this truck

and as soon as I saw that because like when I was looking at it through it I saw it grabbed it and the glow stick was just gone and always like ice cream. I was like, oh, fuck. And I turned around really quick. I mean, I didn't put, I didn't care to put the sweater back on the glass. I would just wanted to get away from this thing.

So I turn around and I just jumped through that little window. And like I got cuts on my arms. My pants got torn up from the glass. But at the moment, in the moment, I didn't see. I feel like, all that adrenaline was kicking in. And as soon as I jumped through the window, I grabbed that board that we got, and I turned around and I hurry up and pushed it against the window again. I was just, like, breathing really hard, but I was, like, trying to keep it, like, quiet as possible.

But I was just breathing, like, really hard. Like, my friends, like, what did you see? I'm just like, and he's like, hey, man, what did you see? And I was just like, and he's like, what? like, what is it? It's like, I have no idea. But it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's just, like, oh, my God. And then my, his friend, his crush, the girl, she started, like, cheering up a little bit, and he just kind of walks toward her, which his arm around her is, like, it's, like, like, I guess, it's okay, where, like, like, if anything will, we'll, will, will defend you.

And I'm just, like, like, with a board against the window. I'm like shaking and still trying to catch my breath. And then like I started feeling like wet like on my arm. And I like, I was like, oh crap, I'm bleeding. And we're there for maybe, I don't say 10, 15 minutes. You know, like maybe like a quarter of the way through that. I asked my friends, like, can you grab, can you hold the board up against the window? And he's like, yeah.

So he kind of, we trade places, and I'm just, like, over there, and I'm like, they crap, I'm bleeding. I didn't know what to do. So, like, I asked my friend, like, can you give me your shirt? And he was like, what? Like, yeah, like, I know you wear two shirts. Give me one of your shirts. He was like, why? He's like, dude, I'm, I'm fucking bleeding here.

And he's like, okay, fine. So I give me one of his shirt, and I kind of just wrap around my arm a little bit. and once the 15, 10, 15 minutes passed by, we don't hear anything. So we're like, maybe it's gone. Maybe he had bored of waiting for us. So he lowered the thing, and he was like, all right, let's go. And I was like, okay, well, you go first. I'm not going to go first.

So he goes and the girl gives him his key, her keys. he unlocks it. And then he's kind of just like looking around, keeping the lookout, making sure this thing doesn't come back. And then I help her through. And then I come through. And then we just like slowly make our way toward her truck because we don't want to make that much noise. I got in the backseat.

She got on the driver. He got in the passenger. And we got in. She turned it on and we just left. And we kind of just like. like my friends like can you just can you like what did you see can you describe to me what you saw and I was like it looked like it was covered in fur it brownish like I could hear hooves on the ground it didn't have feet uh but it had like a person's hands um but it was covered in fur and it just

it grabbed the glow stick and he's like did you get a good look at the face I'm like no idea Like, I just, I was just looking at the glow stick. And as soon as I saw the thing, grabbed the blowstick, and it kind of, like, ducked behind the truck. That's, that's all I saw. I didn't really care to find out what it was. I just turned around as quickly as I could and got back in that building. And, like, what do you think it was? I'm just like saying they were like, maybe a goat man or something, a sheep man or something.

It might be that. He's like, I've never heard of that before. and I was like, I've never heard of that before either. I was like, I don't know what to think. It's just, and so she drops us off. She heads home. I mean, my friend, I'm just kind of going back and forth on this whole situation that just happened. And then I take a look at my cuts.

And they weren't that deep, but it was a lot of blood. So I had to throw my friend's shirt and trash. and then I guess a couple days later back to a work week I went to work and I was talking to a couple of friends in mine about what happened over the weekend and one of my friends from work was like oh yeah that sounds like a goat man

like it sounds like he saw a goat man or something and it was like a goat like we didn't think that was an actual thing like can you tell me more like oh yeah there are people see them all over the reservation Yeah, because there's just like road between Burnham or between Newcomb and Shiprock, which is like on the reservation. There's like a place called Table Mesa, which is basically just this Mesa. It's like flat all around it and it's just this mesa like right in the middle of it. And he's like, oh yeah, like a couple of me and my friends see like a goat, like his weird goat man thing on top of the Mesa.

and he just likes to watch people to drive by. And I was like, yeah, he's like, he's harmless. He doesn't, like, I think he's never heard stories of, like, this thing being, like, violent. Like, it's just a very curious creature. It's all it is. And I was like, I just looked at him, my friend, and I was like, well, the goat man stole my glow stick. I want my glow stick back. So, and that was a pretty, like, that was a pretty, like.

like intense experience at the time. And I guess my stepfather said that he saw a similar thing and this was coming down the hill into the town that I live in

now coming off the reservation. He was probably a couple of weeks later from when this whole thing happened. He dropped me off at work and then he drives to work at the nature that way, save time, save money on gas and stuff, so he usually right to work together.

But he drops me off and he's coming down that hill and he just like, he's looking on the side of the road. He's the only one there. And this is like 5.30 in the morning. Five, yeah, about 5.30. And he sees this like thing on the side of the road. and he's got his, like, lights on it. But it said it looked like it was, like, a... It was like a really, like, huge, like, sheep or something with really long fur,

and it was just, like, walking on the side of the road. And it looked, he was, like, it just looked like it was tired. And it was kind of, like, slowly wobbling. And when he got closer to it, he was kind of, like, staring at it, and he turns his high beam on. And as soon as he turns his high beam on, he said this thing kind of just like slowly looked toward him and when he

he kind of got like a brief look at it he was going probably like 55 at that point and he got a really brief look at it but from what he can describe what he saw was it looked like it had long fur it looks like the fur was white at one point but it looked like maybe it was just dirty like his fur was dirty or something

and its face was kind of elongated a little bit. He said he didn't see hands. He said maybe it had like his hands kind of like tucked into its like its chest or something. But he said he didn't see feet. He saw hooves and like it was hunched over and it was just covered in hair. And he saw like just like the smallest little like horn. horns on top of its head kind of just like coming out of the fur

and it was just kind of like looking at my stepdad as he was driving by. He didn't see eyes because it looked like its fur was like covering its eyes a little bit but he did see a mouth and it was kind of like elongated

and when he passed it he kind of looked in the rear view mirror and he said it just like I mean as dark as it was as it was you could still see like it in the rear view mirror and he's slowing down a little bit to get a better look at it and it just like starts like turning to the right and starts making its way off the road uh and when he told me about that when he picked me up afterward i was like i think you saw a goat man i was like i saw a goat man too a few weeks ago and he's like oh i don't think it was a goat man

i might just i might have just been tired because he's one of those types that doesn't want to believe, like he'll see this stuff, but he doesn't want to believe it's like it's actually, like, something's actually there. Yeah. So those are my goat man experiences. Short, but. No, listen, man. I mean, I was on the edge of my seat with that experience.

I'm thinking myself, my Lord. And here's the thing. I mean, you see this thing. It runs. It grabs the glow stick, jumps in the back of the truck. And then later on. I'm hearing you say we're making our way to the truck. I'm like, are you crazy? Are you crazy?

How'd you not? I mean, did you not know that it was back there or not? Or were you just taking your chances or what? Yeah, we were just taking our chances. Like, it wasn't like in the back of the truck or like in the rear side of it. Like the tree, there was between like a tree and the truck and it just like jumped, grab the lipstick and kind of just hid behind the truck. And like it was like 10, 15 minutes went by. and I like nothing's happening so we're like we should just go maybe now's our chance let's just get out of here

because we didn't know we didn't want to get stuck in that building all night and my friend his his crush at the time was like on the verge of tears and I was I was feeling bad and I was like we should just get like get her out of here and we'll be fine so we took our chances I let my friend go first because maybe he'll see it and he'll go get a feel for what I just went through moments earlier. And then when he got closure, he was just like slowly walking toward the truck, listening out. But he didn't hear anything. And he got a little, he's just like, all right, he's like, yeah, he's like, you guys come out. Let's go, let's go, let's go.

And once we got out, we took off. And that was kind of like, it was relief. And when we were making our way back home, that's when I, let's go. the adrenaline kind of kicked out, like, wore off, and I started to feel like the pain on my my cuts on the side of my arm. Notice my pants were all cut up and I was like, oh, crap, this looks. But yeah, that was a pretty intense night, too. Yeah, it sounds like.

I mean, geez, dude. I don't know what I would have done. I don't know what I would have done. Yeah. I think I might have camped out in the building all night, be honest with you. I just seeing the thing going to back of the truck, I'm like, now, I ain't going out there until it's daylight. Oh, we're hanging out here today. Yeah. But I think that my friends crush her, the girl, she, I mean, that's a hell of a introduction to this kind of

stuff. She was terrifying. So I can all imagine what she was going through. But like, you know, like later on during that week, I did ask her about. it. Like, hey, how are you feeling about, like, this whole thing? Like, are you okay? And she's like, I don't want to talk about it. I was like, all right. It's understandable. I get it. Because we both worked at the same facility. And then my friend, he kind of got the job there a couple, like a year later. So we were all working there at some point. Wow. That's crazy. So let me ask you, what do you think this goat man is? I mean, you saw it a little bit. And, you know, you've been around and talk to people who've seen it.

I mean, what's your gut? Because I know you don't know what it is. None of us know what it is, but what's your guts out tell you? In my head, a goat man is kind of like the first thing I can kind of just go to because it doesn't make sense. But it might be something else. It might just be, I don't know if it's something like supernatural. I don't want to say it's like demonic or evil because what my friend told me is like, It's like, oh, it's just curious.

It's never harmed anybody which is leaving you. Like, it's not evil. Maybe it's just like, maybe it's just there. I don't know. Because for me, we live in a world where things just are. I mean, like, if I had an answer to everything, that'd be great. But, like, honestly, it's just something that's there. And I don't think it's evil.

But in some people's cases or stories, it might be. me. It was just really scary. Really scary experience. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. If you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. I don't care where or how you share the show. Just share the show if you enjoyed it. That would help me out a great deal in getting

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talking to people about their crazy experiences in the transportation industry. It's a lot of fun, a lot of laughing. I know you'll enjoy it. And until next week, friends, stay safe. Take care and remember, the truth will set you free, but first they'll piss you off. Bye. the laws but hate the other song is dark is hard to find is bright everybody want to preach a happy median i see their dopamine fix come from media now your spirit getting booked on expedia so search a light long alley medium i should have been taught sleep walk through life but being woke is an inside they should have been cut they want to slutted in fear by trying to not son i's far we love the loads but hate the highs is the other side of the song with all

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