The Confessionals - RELOADED | 36: UFOs Near Wright-Patt Air Force Base

Episode Date: August 8, 2022

Episode 36: UFOs Near Wright-Patt Air Force Base kicks off with a discussion with Peter Wiemer, the host of the Chautauqua Lake Bigfoot Expo, as he shares some expo backstory and local Bigfoot history surrounding the Chautauqua Lake area in New York. In tonight’s featured interview, Mike joins the show with his eyewitness encounters of several UFOs— including an evening when he attracted their attention and they came in for a closer look! In addition to his UFO accounts, Mike also shares a creepy Hatman encounter that occurred at work... and ended in his car.Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinSPONSORSGET Surfshark: surfshark.deals/confessionalsGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5CONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaITikTok: @theconfessionalsDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkel

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Welcome to Reloaded Monday, everybody. We have episode 36. UFOs near Wright Pat Air Force Base. Listen, friends, I came out with this show years ago, obviously. I mean, episode 36, that was within the first year of this podcast. And I remember coming out with this thinking, oh, my gosh, people are going to love this show. And apparently not. People barely even clicked on it.

So I don't know if people aren't interested in UFOs near Wright Pat Air Force Base, but I certainly was. And since it didn't hit hard the first time around, I'm going to make you listen to it again today. We have Mike coming on the show to talk. about his experiences seeing UFOs near Wright Pat Air Force Base. Come on, guys. Give me a break. I mean, I know in the early days I was hiding behind the microphone. I was nervous. When you listen back to this stuff, you probably cringed as much as I do. When I hear me talking, I'm like, yo, dude, loosen up, relax. Like, just be yourself behind the microphone. But it took me some time to

be myself and find myself behind the microphone. But friends, this was a great interview. Me aside, listen to the context of the story, not the host scared of the microphone in front of his face. I hope you guys enjoy it this second time around. Let's get to Mike right now. Okay, I'll reload it. You guys feel like sound. You guys hear that? Welcome to the show, everybody. I'm your host, Tony Merkel, and I am really glad that you're here. and I'm really glad to be here. If you had an encounter or a story you'd like to share with me, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is, The Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. That's the

confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. Or go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the connection section, and you can reach me that way as well. This week's show, we have Mike coming on, and Mike reached out to me to tell me he saw multiple UFOs on multiple occasions, not very far from Wright-Pat Air Force Base. If you know anything about Wright-Pat Air Force Base, you know the controversy surrounding it with extraterrestrial crafts. So sit back and relax and enjoy this interview that I have with Mike right after these messages. Are you on the hunt for strange stuff? Check out Small Town Monsters, an independent film series that's documenting unusual events all around the country. Focusing on Small Town Folklore,

Small Town Monsters has told the stories of the Minerva Monster, the Boggy Creek Monster, the Moth Made of Point Pleasant, and more. With future films coming out in 2017 and 2018, Small Town Monsters is a fascinating film series for those who love bizarre stories and eyewitness accounts. Check them out now at smalltown monsters.com. All right, I got Mike on tonight, and Mike contacted me a little bit ago, and he has some UFO experiences to share tonight

and a little bit of other stuff. Mike, how are you? I'm good, thanks, are you? I'm doing well, man. I got your email here, and it looks like back in 1990, you had a UFO encounter, near Wright-Pat Air Force Base.

I definitely am interested of hearing about that. And I guess after you share this, we'll start talking a little bit about your hat-main experience as well. So why don't you walk us into the UFO encounter back in 1990? Okay.

Well, it's actually, I may have put 1990. It was actually more like 95-96. Okay. It was mid-late 90s. I can just remember by the kind of car I had, oddly enough. but at the time I worked a second shift.

I worked from, it was like 2 to 1130, something like that. And I lived in a small town about half an hour west of Columbus, Ohio, and I worked in Columbus. And the town I lived in was almost exactly halfway between Columbus and Dayton, and Dayton is where right-pat Air Force base is. So it was summertime. It was probably late August, early September. And for two or three days maybe out at work out towards the west, I would see a set of three lights. And they were, they looked like stars. They were just much bigger.

And they kind of moved around in a set pattern. And I talked to some people I worked with and was like, hey, do you notice these lights? And, you know, they said, yeah, yeah, I noticed them. But the people I worked with were more into hunting and fishing and stuff like that, which is fine. they weren't interested in to lights in the sky, you know. So two or three days went by, and one night I decided, you know, it was time to go home, and I thought, you know, I could go home the interstate, which would take me about 25 minutes, or I could go home the back way through country roads, and it took me about 35 or 40 minutes, maybe.

So I decided that it was, you know, it was a nice night out. It was totally clear. The moon was bright enough that it was actually creating shadows with the, trees and the telephone poles and whatnot. I don't know if it was a full moon. It may have been three quarters or half a moon, but it was still bright enough that, you know, when you stood outside at night, you would see your shadow on the ground from the moon. No winds, you know, no clouds, beautiful starry night. And so I decided to go home the back way and driving real slow and had my windows down just enjoying the nice warm breeze. And for some reason, I don't know why. I had to

thought, I want to try to get the attention of these lights because they were moving. So to kind of paint a picture for you, if you're looking out the window of your car, there were three lights, and there was one light on the left side of your window that would start at the bottom near the horizon, and it would loop up and go up in the sky, and it would reach a certain point, and it would loop down and go back down. And it just kept doing this cycle over and over and over. And the second light went along the horizon left to right, actually right to left, and it would go along the horizon to the left, and it would loop back up like it was going to go back towards the right, and it would disappear.

And about the second and a half, two seconds later, it would reappear on the right side of your windshield up against the horizon. And it would loop down and travel along the horizon, curve back up, disappear, pop back up on the right side, and it kept repeating that pattern. The third light was doing the up and down thing, but it was doing it on their right side of your lenshield. So you had three lights, two of them going up and down, and one of them going back and forth, and the one going back and forth would travel right to left,

look back up, disappear, appear back on the right side, look back around. So all three of these lights were doing the same patterns constantly. So for some reason, I decided that I was going to, to try to get their attention. So every time I would turn towards the light, or the lights, I would hit my brights or I would flash my brights. And this went on for probably 20 minutes as I was going home. And I noticed about five minutes from my house, and of course, this is all, you know, Ohio farmland. There's no street lights. I went through two towns and one town had a

two dual towns had like a little general store type thing and only one of them had a stop sign. So, I mean, there's houses around, but it's basically farmland. And I noticed that about five minutes from my house that the light on the right, when it would start to come down, or I'm sorry, when it would start to go up, it would get bigger. And then as that would loop down and start to go down, it would get smaller. And I thought, well, that's kind of strange. So, you know, I kept flashing my lights, and I realized that the reason why this light was getting bigger was because this thing was coming towards me. So, you know, this was, you know, back in the 90s, I didn't, you know, there were no cell phones back then, you know, except for maybe a select few.

And I don't know mad cameras. I had a digital camera, but it was at home. I didn't have it in my car. So I decided, as I think, if I was getting closer to my house, this thing was getting closer to me. So I found this little, along the field, this field, there's a little access road. There's a ditch, and there's like a little road that crosses the ditch that the farmers would bring their farm equipment down the street and cross and go into their field. And off to my left, there was a big tree. The tree was probably, you know, 20 feet, 25 feet tall, big bushy, typical Ohio tree.

and I remember hearing seeing on the shows and hearing people talk about you know when a UFO flies over your car turns off, your radio goes out, your lights go out, all that kind of stuff so I decided I was going to put this to a test

so I pulled my car up into this little driveway type thing and I flip my brakes on I left my car running, left the radio on opened the door and got out and just stood there. And I didn't know what this thing was. But it basically, I'd say flew over top of my car, but there was no noise to it. You know, there was no jet noise.

There was no turbine noise. There was no noise at all whatsoever. All you heard was crickets. So this thing flew over, or flew, quote unquote, over top of my car. And car was fine. Nothing happened in radio station. plane, white state on everything. But I got a pretty good look at it.

If you can imagine, like, your stereotypical teardrop that's kind of like ball width at the bottom and pointing at the top, lay that on its side and stretch it out a little bit, so it's not quite as, you know, it's a bit more proportion from front to back, but still comes to a point. And then along the side of this, whatever this was flew over me at such an angle that it had two wings or what I call wings. And they were probably, I would guess, I'm guessing a 45 degree angle, maybe

45, 60 degree angle swept back from the front. And I could see the, what would be, its right wing, and I could see it must have banged a little bit or something because I could see the tip of the left wing. It was close enough that I could

actually see texture on it. And it was either black, dark, gray, or blue, because it was really dark. But the texture it had was very similar to what you would see in a soundproof room with the you know like the squares that are pattern differently and I have what looks like those those big long um what you call it creases in each square you know one square goes up and down and next where it goes left or right you know it just reminded me you know it reminded me a soundproof room

um I couldn't see that you know of course I couldn't see the top of it but the tail of it came to what looked like a point, and it had no rudder or fins or anything like you would see on an airplane. It just came to what looked like to a sharp point. Along the front of each of these wings, there were these round, what I could only say were portholes. It looked like windows, and they were yellow. And I'm not sure about the left side. I'm assuming it was the same as the right, but the right side had five or six of these little portholes down the very front of the wing, and at the tip of the wing, and at the tip of whatever this thing was, it had a really pale yellow spotlight. And all three of them were pointing down towards the ground, but they

only came down about a third of the way. None of the lights ever hit the ground. And I can't say how, you know, I can't say how high up it was, because even though there was a tree to my left, it flew over like the right set of my car, so I had no frame of reference. I mean, I could say it was 100 feet above me. I have no idea. I don't know how long it was, of course, Carragos, again, I have no frame of reference. But if you hold your arm out, it was probably two and a half, three and a half feet long. You know, from my perspective, you know, that could have been 50 feet.

It could have been 500 feet for all I know. but it was close enough that I could see detail on the skin, whatever the weather this thing was. I could see detail, I could see color, and I could see the lights. And it was really weird because the portholes were a brighter yellow than what I called the spotlights. Spotlights weren't moving. They were just shining in one direction. And like I said, it never hit the ground. So this thing kind of like drifts over my car, and I watch it over my car.

I'm thinking, what the heck is this? And I watch it go over top of my car. I look back to see what the other two lights are doing. And they're doing their same patterns. One's going up and down. One's going left and right. And I look back and that thing is just totally gone. It's nowhere to be seen in the sky at all whatsoever.

From the horizon, from the left side of the horizon to the right side of horizon, nothing. So I don't know what happened to it. It just drifted for the lack of every turn over my car. And I turned and looked at the lights. I probably looked at them for probably. maybe two seconds, maybe three, turn back around, the things just disappeared. And I get back in my car, I drive home back towards the direction of the lights, probably another five, six minutes to my house. And that third light never shows up to see the other two lights doing their

same patterns. You know, I go to bed, go to work the next day. Three lights are back doing their same thing. The one on the right still going up and down. I try the same thing. I try flashing my lights at but nothing happens. And these lives lasted for about another two days. And then the third day, they were just gone. I never saw them again. What was weird, and I think I told you in my message to you, is that that direction was the direction of Wright-Pat Air Force Base.

Of course, I didn't go out that far, of course, so I can't say they were at Wright-Pat. It was just strange that, you know, they were doing these little maneuvers out in that general direction. I talked to some friends of mine about it at work, and they're like, yeah, you know, some of them go home to the interstate, some of them go home the back way, and everybody said, yeah, we saw these lights are really weird, but nobody had any, at least they never said anything to me about having any experience with them.

So, you know, I didn't know about stealth blimps or anything like that at the time, because like I said, it was mid-late 90s. so maybe that's what it was, I don't know, but I know there was no sound. It didn't have a typical tail like you'd see on an airplane, but it did have wings, although they didn't, they looked pretty thick, they didn't look narrow like you'd see on a regular airplane wing. And I distinctly remember the what I call the portholes and the spotlights,

and the fact that there was just no sound. and as soon as I took my eyes off of it for a couple of seconds and turned back around, it was gone. And when I say there was no clouds out, there was no clouds anywhere to be seen. And the moon was bright, it was casting shadows with the trees. I just don't know where this thing went. It made no noise. I don't know. You know, part of me says maybe it just like, you know, what they call it like on Star Trek when the Romulus cloak, you know, maybe that's what it did.

or maybe it just, I don't know, I have no idea. It was the strangest thing. Yeah, well, that's actually one of the things that I was thinking about when you said that. I was wondering, do you think it actually took off or do you think it was still there and just kind of cloaked itself? Seems like you're not sure either, though. I have no idea. You know, if I would have heard something, I would have thought maybe it just like shot up somewhere and took off. But I heard no noise when it came towards me, when it flew over me, or when I turned around it was gone.

I have no idea. And ever since that date, and ever since that time until the camera phones came out, I always kept a pair of binoculars and a visual camera in my car, hoping that I would see it again. I never did. But it was just bizarre. Well, it's better to be prepared than not. So I would definitely keep that stuff in your car.

I know that just a few years ago, I can't remember probably, I would say probably about 10 years ago, I saw that the military was working. working on technology where they could actually cloak themselves. And I don't know if, you know, I don't know if it made big news or what, but I know what it was is basically they had a camera system set up where they would film the background of whatever, like say they had a tank. They would be filming the background of what the tank was passing by and they would project it out in front of the tank. So basically making it invisible. And I don't know how all that works and stuff. But, I mean, I don't know.

It sounds logical to me. And maybe it's similar technology. I don't know. But the whole idea of cloaking and stuff is just something that's fascinating. Yeah, it was just so strange. And I saw what you're talking about. I read something about that. And I also saw where they have the coats, the cloaking, I got to say this correctly,

the cloaking coats, or you put a coat around you, and it kind of bends white around you. You can kind of see the person in front of you can see what's behind you. I mean, you can tell that there's something there. There's not a perfect type thing. But it's really kind of cool, some of the stuff, doing it. And to a degree, kind of scary, too. Well, that sounds amazing.

I don't think I've ever seen the cloaking coats, but it sounds like it could be handy. Definitely handy. Yeah, it was, I want to say it was China, I think, that had this. But it was on CNN or MSNBC a couple years. ago I saw and actually had a picture of somebody wearing it and you could see what was behind them. It was wavy because of the texture of the coat. But I mean, it was pretty impressive. So going back to these lights that you saw in the sky, do you think that, I mean, for instance, I think that when the thing hovered over your car, it seems like it was aware of you.

Do you agree with that? And also, would you say that these things were aware of you before that? point or do you think they were oblivious to you until you started flashing your lights? How do you play that a whole thing out in your mind? Well, you know, I saw him for a couple days. You know, and I don't want to mislead anybody. There were other cars around. It wasn't like I was out in middle of absolutely nowhere, but 1130, 1145 at night in the country in Ohio, there's not a lot of cars out running around. So, you know, people that I worked with saw it at night. So I know that these lights had to see other people driving around. But it just seemed like, and for some reason, I just had this idea. I'm going to try to grab their attention. How am I going to do that?

I'm going to flash my lights. That's the only thing I had. I had no flare guns or anything crazy, you know, and I started flashing my lights and about, you know, halfway home was when that one light seemed to take an interest and come towards me. And every time it went up, it got, you know, it got bigger. And then as it would go down, it would get smaller. And every time it would go back at this, the next time I'd go back up to get a little bigger and then to get smaller and then to get a little bigger again. And that's how I thought, is this thing coming towards me? And so when I finally stopped and got out of the car, and that's when it drifted over my car. So I would have to say that I kind of hesitant to say it was intelligently controlled because there's a lot of baggage that comes with that phrase, I think,

but it wasn't like it was a random, you know, balloon with a light on it to just happen to float over my car. I mean, I suppose that's possible, but just the fact that everything kind of lined up in sequence leads me to believe that it was more than just a floating balloon with a light on it. And if it was a floating balloon with a light on it, it was a giant floating balloon with a lot of lights on it. Yeah. Well, I mean, the way you're describing it is that it's getting smaller when it goes down and bigger when it goes up. Is that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Okay, so I'm trying to picture this in my mind, and maybe it's just my mind's backwards or something, but so your conclusion is when it was getting bigger, it was getting closer to you, but it was actually going up? I'm trying to figure out how that all works. Well, I mean, it was kind of, at first it seemed like it was going just up and down in the distance, but as it would go, when I started to flesh in my life and it started getting closer,

it seemed like it would come towards me a little bit and then go back down. And maybe it was sort of like an angle. Like I guess if you can try to kind of turn what you're looking at on its side, and so it's going straight up and down. You know, maybe it was coming, it was going at an angle. As it went up, it kind of angled towards me. And it got bigger.

And then as it would go back down, it was going back towards where it came from. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? Yeah, yes. I mean, yeah, that's how I envision it. I could be totally wrong, but all I know is that at one point, you know, the lights were probably the size of, I don't know, maybe twice the size of a end of a pencil. And, you know, that's how big they were from a distance.

So, I mean, it wasn't like they were tiny dots. So it wasn't, I don't want to seem like they were hundreds and hundreds of miles away or anything like that. I mean, they were significantly significantly bigger than the start. around it, you know, about twice the size of the end of a pencil. But when it came towards me, at some point, it just kept coming towards me. You know, it stopped going back down, quote-unquote, back down, and it came towards me. And went over the car and then just kind of disappeared. So when they would come towards you and then back off and coming towards you and back off, during that whole scenario of them coming towards you, were you able to see any detail or was

that only, were you only able to see the detail when it floated over your car? The big detail I saw when it went over my car, but probably this, I'm guessing, it's been so long ago, I'm kind of dating myself, but probably the two times, the last two times before I actually flew over my car, it was getting big enough that I could tell it that it wasn't just a light. There was something there with a light. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. You know, there was a light with some kind of structure there. And then by the third or fourth time, it actually, you know, just went over the car.

And it's kind of strange now that I think about it, that the lights were, when they were from a distance, they were white, like a regular star. But when it came over me, it didn't have a light other than those yellow lights. So it's, I don't know how to explain that. you know it's just like three balls of like really bright white light moving around and then by it kind of came over me it wasn't light at all it was dark but had the yellow the three yellow spotlights and the yellow porthole down the front of the edge of the wing both wings well well i mean to me the simple thought would be it turned off its light when it got near you i mean how else do you explain the fact that it is a white light and when it gets near you the white light's not

around at all. Yeah, and to be honest, I've told a few people this story, and I never even thought about that until now. I have no idea how to even explain that, but that was strange. You said that the, when it hovered over you, I think you said it had a yellow, like, spotlight that didn't come all the way down to the ground, and it also had portholes, two portholes. Did you say the portholes were like yellow color? Is that right? Right? Yeah, along the front of the wing, there are about five or six portholes if memory serves. I call them porthole. They may have not been windows. It may have been light. But it reminds me of the old-fashioned subs that you see the side of the sub and they have a big round window done the side of the sub is kind of what it looked like, but it was along a lean edge. And the right wing, at least, I'm assuming the left, was the same way. It had five or six of them.

and at the tip of each wing was a spotlight. And when I say a spotlight, I don't mean like there was a bulb there. It was just a hole with light shining out of it. And at the tip of this thing, the nose of it, whatever it was, it had a hole with a yellow light shining out of it. And the lights only came out about a third of the way. They never hit the ground that I could see. But, you know, again, it was, you know, the moon was out and it was bright.

So maybe that's why I didn't see him hit the ground. or maybe they weren't spotlight. They were just really bright lights that happened to be shining in a certain direction. I don't know. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I find it interesting because, I mean, when these things are being flying around out in the sky and everything, if they're intelligently flown from the inside, you would think that there's some kind of way for them to see where they're going.

I mean, I'm sure there's some, you know, fancy technology and stuff. But the simple, the most simple way to go about it would be having a window. when you say the portholes, just, you know, I always wonder if you could see, you know, on the inside. I guess you didn't have that opportunity to really get that great of a look at because you think they're poor holes, but you're not totally sure. So seeing inside probably wasn't an option. Yeah, well, I mean, it was because the, the, whatever it was so dark and the light was so bright. I'm not sure if, you know, if they were, you know, like I said, lights or maybe they were just windows and it was illuminated inside and that light was turning out. I remember looking, kind of trying to look and

see if I could see in them, but it was so high that all I saw was these, you know, I mean, there could have been, there could have been windows with people sitting in there waving at me for all I know, but I couldn't see them because of, I'm guessing because of how high it was. And this whole, this whole experience from the time that flew over my car, you know, the car probably lasted maybe eight seconds, so it didn't last very long at all. And, I was just kind of like, what is this thing? And then I flipped from my car and I like, what are the other guy doing? And I looked and they were doing

their same thing. And I turned back around. I was going, I kicked myself the way time I think about it for actually taking my eyes off of it. You know, because if I were to watch it, I could maybe seem the rear end of it a little bit, you know, the backside of it. Maybe it got some little bit more detail. But my brain just wasn't working at the time. I was trying to figure out, you know, what is this thing?

Yeah. And that's understandable. I mean, maybe, I don't know, like, it just seems awfully coincidental that you look away for a split second and then it's gone. And it's almost like it was waiting for you to look away for it to leave. And it's kind of a similar situation. Everybody knows I'm the Bigfoot guy also. And, you know, it's like people say that, you know, they'll be looking at, they'll see a Sasquatch and it's like locking eye to eye. They look away for one second or they blink or something and all of a sudden it's gone and kind of gives that illusion of it disappearing. and some people come to that conclusion

that it disappeared. But it also makes you wonder if these things are just so swift that they move so quickly once they see that opportunity to get out of sight, they do so. And I wonder if it's a similar situation

with this UFO you saw. I know. I know. I know it's there one second, literally one second and two seconds later it's gone. And, you know, I mean, the whole thing lasts

less than 10 seconds from the time I could actually see it and actually make out the detail until I turned around and it would be gone. that was less than 10 seconds. So the nights that leading up to you experimenting with this and you had to hover over your car, because I believe you said that you saw these things before the night you decided to flash your lights and everything, were you seeing these things for, what, 20, 30 minute

of a drive? And is that right? Am I picturing this right? You saw these for... Yeah. Yeah, for probably about two weeks. From the first time we saw, and I say we and we and myself and the people I worked with, the time I saw on to the day it flew over me plus the two or three days after that, it was probably two, three weeks that we received these lights.

And I actually remember that one point earlier on driving down the highway and I could see these lights, and they were doing the same patterns except for the coming towards me type of thing. You know, the ones on the two were going up and down and one was going left and right.

and I would see these things for the course of a couple weeks going home on the freeway, and I'm thinking, why isn't anybody talking about this? Because this was kind of bizarre. And it wasn't the fact that you saw three lights. It was, up until it flew for my car, the weirdest thing was the fact that the one on the bottom would go across the bottom and then loop back up and then literally disappear like flash out and then refash on the other side of the horizon and do its loop again. and I'm thinking, why isn't anybody talking about this? Because this is really bizarre. And I tried to get some people, you know, I work with it, talk about it, but they had no interest in it.

They just said, oh, yeah, that's weird. And, you know, I was like, well, yeah, it's weird, but why isn't it on the news or, you know, why isn't somebody else at work saying, what's going on? And, you know, maybe it was on the news. I don't remember seeing anything about it. you know at the time i was i was young and you know young man with has all kinds of things going through his mind out doing things all you know going out with friends and you know you're going going going all the time and you know maybe i just it was on the news and i just didn't see it or didn't notice

it okay yeah i mean when you see these things uh what was it just give me a time like what from the time you first start seeing it at night to when you get home how long is that like 20 20, 30 minutes? Yeah, about depending upon. You know, if I go to the interstate, it's probably 20 minutes. If I go to the back way, it's probably 30, 35. But you saw these lights no matter which way you went home, right? Yeah, oh, yeah, exactly.

Okay, so what I'm thinking is, did it seem like these lights were traveling in the direction you were going, or was it just that they were that far out that you could see them pretty much anywhere, kind of like the moon where you're driving down the road. It doesn't matter what town you're in. You're going to see the moon, you know? What would you say? say to that? I think, I mean, from what I can remember, they didn't seem to, you know, as I got closer to them, they didn't seem to change in size or activity until it actually

flew over my car. So I'm thinking that they were far enough away that the little bit of distance I did travel wasn't enough to change my perspective on them. you know, until I somehow grabbed that one's attention. And then it came, it basically came to me. Okay. And that's a perfect segue into my next question here. You tried getting these things attention by flashing your lights at it. Now, do you know Morse Co? Did you do anything similar to that? No, I just, you know, every, you know, every time I turned right, which was going west, I would just drive down the road and constantly we flashed my lights. If I would turn left where I wasn't facing them, I just drove like normal. You know, I mean, I did it in such a way that it wasn't like flash, flash, flash. It wasn't repeated, you know, like that. It wasn't a set pattern. I tried to be as sporadic as possible. I don't know what Earth possessed me to have that thought. You know, what would, this thing is, quote unquote, extraterrestrial. Why is it going to care of some little guy in a little car is flashing his lights at it?

it sounds kind of silly, but I really wanted to find out what these things were, and that's the, you know, my car was the only thing I had at the time to grab their attention. Well, actually, you know, I, go ahead. I'm sorry. Well, I was going to say that, you know, I tried to do it the next two or three days after that, after this happened, and they didn't seem to give two hoots, so nothing happened. Yeah, and, well, that's the thing. I mean, you, you did something that I think is actually really logical, and the, only thing you had was your car headlights, but that's what they are. They're lights in the sky. So

naturally, by taking your light off of your vehicle and flashing it in a way that stands out from all the other lights traveling, it's a similar situation where you see stars in the sky and you don't think anything of it. They're just steady lights in the sky. They're stars. But what makes you notice something else in the sky is when you see lights in the sky moving around or flashing and doing something erratic. And so from their perspective, they see these cars driving down the highway, no problem. You know, the lights are still the same. And all of a sudden, they see this one light flashing its lights and it gets their attention. And it seems to me like you got their attention. It came in, scoped you out, left, and it had no need to do it any other night because it knew

what you were already. So every time you tried doing it afterwards, it's like, yeah, we already checked you out the other night. We got no interest in you. You know? Yeah, which is kind of sad. but I really feel like you've reversed reverse engineered the whole situation. You know, like we sit here on Earth and we see lights in the sky and we're like, wow, look at that light moving around and flashing and doing all these spectacular things. Let's watch it. And that's great. But you actually kind of reverse engineered the situation and did what they do and actually

got their attention enough to come check you out. I think that's pretty cool. Yeah, it's definitely something I'll remember forever. I mean, I may not remember the year or the exact date. But I remember, you know, the hashtags on the side of the thing and the spotlights and the quietness and the pointy tail. And, you know, it's something I'll probably never forget. So when looking at the material that I was made out of everything, would you say it was metal or would you just, you really don't know? Well, it didn't shine like a metal.

Well, it didn't shine like a metal that you typically think of. I mean, I don't know how to describe it. It was just dark and it wasn't reflective at all. It almost kind of, I know this is kind of cliche, but it was almost darker than the night itself, but there was enough moonlight that you could see texture on it. And that's why it made me think of the inside of the soundproof rooms, which I don't understand why something's exterior would need to be made like a soundproof room.

You know, it doesn't make sense to me, but, you know, I'm not an engineer or an extraterrestrial or whatever. So I don't know what the logic would be behind it. But I remember seeing it and thinking about that reminds me about it. Because in high school, we had them in our music room. I was like, it reminds me of the high school music room, you know, the soundproof room. But it was, I want to say it was black, but it could have been in dark gray or dark blue. But it was dark. And, you know, maybe it seems like it was darker than the night, quote unquote, because the moon was so bright, you know.

I don't know. but it was definitely dark and it didn't reflect like aluminum or metal you think typically would. And no noise. I mean, that's, other than the visual, I just remember that it had no noise. Because I remember listening to see if I heard anything and it was just crickets. I mean, there was not even any wind out. It was like a perfect summer night. No wind or anything and just crickets.

I mean, I'm sure it's coincidence. but I do find it interesting, at least, that you heard nothing, and the texture of it reminds you of soundproof foaming. That's interesting to me. I never thought of that. I mean, it probably... I mean, because of soundproof foaming, at least from what I would use it for, I would put it on the inside of a room to protect sound from...

Well, you know what? I mean, maybe... Well, you know what? what, I have to think about that. It's interesting. It's a very interesting point you brought up. I'm going to have to do some reading on what soundproof foaming does and just kind of like how it all works because you got an interesting thing there. Now, I know, like when I was in college and I used to mess around with audio production, we would do certain things to manipulate soundproofing without actually having the foaming. Anything from recording audio in a closet with clobing, we would do

clothing or you could even put up a bunch of egg cartons on the wall. It does the same exact thing. It dampens the sound, the echoing. But I don't know. It's just, I find it interesting that you describe it as soundproof, well, not foaming, but the shape and texture of it. It's like the soundproof foaming and you don't hear anything. Now, that's a common trait that a lot of people say they don't hear things when these things fly over them. But for you to describe the texture like that, I just find it interesting. Well, and it wasn't that I, you know, I didn't hear anything. I heard the crickets, and I made sure to leave my radio playing with my door open because if the car would have died or the radio would have got static. I was, oh, my God, it's aliens, you know,

but none of that happened. I remember thinking, well, that didn't happen. You know, like everybody, like everybody, quote unquote, says it should, right? So I thought, well, what is this thing? We calls my car is fine. The radio never went out. I hear crickets and whatever it was playing on the radio at the time. And so it was just it was bizarre that it, you know, it was something that I did. I expected

to do like a Betty Barney Hill type of thing, you know, where the car dies, the radio goes out or whatever. And that didn't happen. And that kind of threw me a little bit too, because that's not what I was expecting. Well, I think what would have thrown you even more is if your car actually did die.

I probably would have freaked out that like, oh gosh, what are I going to do now? Yeah, that would have not been good. Hindsight, 2020, I guess. Right. So it wasn't something I was expecting. So it was a little sidetrack here, but what do you know about Wright Patterson? Well, I went to an air show there once, which was kind of cool.

Other than that, I have two friends. One, I haven't, I've been friends with for early 90s maybe, and he was in the Army. And he told me a bunch of stories about how he had really high government clearance in the Army. He was trained to speak of or to talk in certain accents in different parts of the country. he told me that if he was ever, I don't know how I would say, but outed, for lack of the better term, about his stuff, his time in that army, he was report back to his, you know, commanding officer, whatever that was. And we talked about this kind of stuff because it was all this was happening right about the time that X-Files came out. And I was talking to him about it.

and I asked him what he knew about, right, Pat. And he said that he doesn't know what is there exactly, but out of all the paperwork that he has seen, he said he knows there's something there that they don't want us to know about. He did say that he doesn't know for sure what it is, whether it's alien or not alien or, you know, whatever. But he said he knows that there is something there

and the government doesn't want us to know about it. I have another friend who was actually a preacher's kid. We went to the church together, and he's very trustworthy, probably one of the most honest guys you'll ever meet. He joined the Air Force, and he was in military policeman at the time, and he was an MP at Wright Pat, and we talked about it, and he said that he didn't have clearance to enter that area, hangar, I don't know, hangar 18 or 23, I forget whatever number it is.

But they told him, you know, you don't have access to be there. And if you do step foot on there, we will shoot you and kill you, so don't do it. And he said, okay. And he never went out that direction. Wow. So, you know, and if anybody is to be believed, it would be him. You know, he's a very upright guy. Yeah.

Now, I think if I remember correctly, how do I say this? How do I phrase this? Because everybody talks about hangar 18. From what I understand, though, the official wording is that there is no hanger 18. But I think that's a technicality because I think that there is a building 18, which I think is described to be underground. And you can actually get there. from Hanger 23. I think that's how it was laid out to me once. Does that sound similar to you or not? Yeah, I mean, I've, you know, I don't know, you know, personally, but some of the stuff I've seen and read that sounds about right. There was, there's a hangar, but not a hanger, but it's kind of a hangar type of thing that they had going on there.

Now, I don't know about the connecting from one to the other. Like you mentioned, I never heard that, but it doesn't mean. It's not true. I did hear at some point that there is a hangar 18, but not really, but sort of. You know, it's very government red tape technicality wording, I think, is what they like to do. Yeah, now, because I mean, I've heard, I mean, obviously I've never been on the base, and I don't know, I don't know a ton about it. But from what I understand is pretty much there's not a whole lot of buildings above ground

that could house any kind of significant aircraft of any real size. Now, I could be totally off on that. But from what I understood was that Hanger 23 is where the crafts or planes or whatever you want goes in, and then they can move it underground to building 18, where they do their, you know, work on things that they don't want to be seen by anybody. And from what I heard, I heard there's like these really big generator, air conditioner kind of generators above ground, but there's no buildings that it goes to, making people think that it actually goes underground to facilitate a building that is out of sight,

but underground. It's such a fascinating thing to me with the whole Wright Pat situation. I wish I knew more about it. I know that, like I said to you earlier, I know that they used Wright Pat before, because I think Wright Patterson was originally called Wright Field, which is where the Wright brothers actually worked and did their stuff. And then the military, I think after World War I or during World War I came in and took it over and just never left. But from what I understand, for a long time, Wright Pat was a place where they did a lot of reverse engineering on. whether it's, you know, Russian aircraft, Nazi aircraft, or whatever it is, they reversed

engineered a lot of things there so they knew how to defeat it. So they could produce a weapon that would take down whatever they were reverse engineered. And so the whole idea of Area 51 crash to being taken to right pat would be, would make sense underneath the traditional mindset of this is where they do a lot of reverse engineering and why would they not reverse engineer spacecraft that came from another world, you know? Right. I also heard that they took the Kexberg crash there as well, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, I've heard that as well. I think, oh man, I'm going to butcher this. I think that there's a number floating around out there that they have housed up to 18 extraterrestrial bodies there, theoretically. and obviously there weren't 18 extraterrestrial bodies at the Area 51 crash leading you to believe

that they have collected other things and beings from other crashes. And I think you're right on the crash. I think that's one of them here in PA. Yeah, but I'm not sure. I mean, like I said earlier, I wish I knew more about Wright Pat than I do. but that's just some of the basic stuff that I know. Maybe one of these days I'll have somebody on the show that actually knows a ton about it, but I'm not that guy.

Ain't me either. But, man, listen, that's a really fascinating encounter you had there. And the fact that it's so close to Wright Pat is definitely intriguing. You know what it is? It's that it's so close to Wright Pat and it happens so much over a certain period of time. It's not like it was just a once-and-done thing. it was consistent. And it makes you wonder

if it had something to do with Wright Pat and some kind of maybe experiments they were doing. I don't know. But I do find it fascinating. That's kind of what I thought because if it was,

if it was, you know, aliens, I don't think they'd hang out for a couple weeks, you know, in sight see the same area. I mean, I don't know if you've been to Dayton, Ohio,

but it's not that fabulous, you know, so it's not like there's a lot of stuff to see and do there, you know. So that's what it made me think that it's, you know,

it was some type of, of you know tests they were doing I mentioned two years earlier about 10 years before that's happened my family and I went to was going to the mall and it was a Saturday or Sunday evening and it was dark out and we were in the little mall in Springfield which is even a small another small town between the town I lived in and Dayton that's kind of in the middle of my town in Dayton and we were walking into the mall and I hear these these jets flying over and I looked up and there was a black triangle flying overhead with a jet flanking each side of it and they were seriously low.

Low enough that you could actually see the colors of the jets. And I thought, oh my goodness, that's an alien, you know, alien spacecraft, you know, it's something you've never seen before. And then several years later, they started talking about the stealth bomber and I remember seeing it. And I said, oh, my God, that's what I saw. I actually saw a stealth bomber flying over Springfield being flanked by two, jet fighters before it was released to the public. And I thought that was, you know, that was pretty cool. Yeah, that is cool. And I mean, that should tell you, so I'm assuming Springfield is not too

far from Wright Pat. I mean, that should tell you the kind of level of things that they're doing there. The fact that you saw that before they came out with it, clearly to me it means that that was at Wright Pat. And if they're building things like that at Wright Pat, then there's a lot of, let's just say there's a lot of technology there a lot of technology there so uh why don't you why don't you walk us into this hatman story you told me about now you said to me that you were listening to episode three when lindsay was sharing her encounter with the hatman uh what did you experience well i thought it was funny because i just sent you the message in the next day i was listening that episode and her description i've listened to it at work and her description i

actually stopped and said, oh, my God, that's exactly what I saw. So I was at work at this same place, and I was working second shift still. And it was a new, a new company. The building was pretty new, you know, it was like two years old. At the time, it was state of the art. They made, we made automotive parts, because Ohio was, you know, really big with Honda and that type of thing. And And the building was shaped, it was shaped sort of like a giant rectangle on the front section was the front office. And then the front part of the building was the two production lines. And then in the middle was the paint department where they did electrostatic e-coding. You'd put the parts on and they would, you put them on in the mornings and they would run 8, 12 hours into the back of the building.

and do their cycle. And he came in the next day, they'd be out ready for you to take them off and put more stuff on. And I worked, it was a Japanese own company, and I worked in the quality department. And at night, after about six o'clock or so, all the engineers and everybody from first,

all the lucky ones that got an eight to five job, they got to go home. And I was, my office was in what we called the lab, and it was basically right smack in the middle of the building. And because it was a Japanese-owned company, we had a big machine that you'd put the parts in. It would test amperage and draw and dimensions and TB and H directions and all kinds of stuff. It was a giant check machine. And because it was in the 90s, everything was stored on disks.

One step up from the floppy disk. I remember when the jump drives came out, we were all excited. So it kind of dates me even more. But part of my job was to, you know, this machine was Japanese. Everything was in Japanese. And part of my job was to, at one time, to format 500 of these disks. So on my desk, I had my computer that I used. And then to my right, on a little elevator,

on that little elevation elevated platform was what I called a Japanese computer. And everything was in Japanese. And when I had to format these disks, guy had a, they wrote down my instructions, you press this button, you click this, you press that button, whatever. And when the, when I wasn't doing that, the computer was turned off. So I'm on, uh, I'm on my computer, uh, this night and I, I'm an only one in the lab. It's probably, I don't know, eight o'clock, eight, thirty nine o'clock, some like that at night. The night's almost over. And, uh, as I'm doing my stuff on my computer, I look over and in the, um, reflection

of the monitor of the Japanese computer which has turned off, there is a figure reflecting in this monitor, which would mean it would be off behind me to my right. And I remember that it was a tall person. He had like what looked like a trench coat. He had a top hat like Abraham Lincoln, and he had his collar poured up around his face where all you could see was the bridge of his nose and his eyes.

He couldn't see anything else. And I remember looking at it and going, that's not right. And I packed all my stuff up, and I went to the front office and finished out my night. Later that night, I'm sure I said some other things that aren't radio appropriate. But later that night, I'm driving home, and again, it's summertime still, and I'm going home the back way, and I've got the windows down. I'm driving, like, about 35, 40 miles, and I're just enjoying a nice summer night. and I look in my rearview mirror and that dude, for lack of a better term, is in my back seat looking at me in the mirror.

And I stopped and I got out. And, you know, when you open your door, the light comes on, right? So I got out and for some reason I opened up all four of my doors thinking that the light was going to me four times as bright, I guess. I don't know what I was thinking. I was just kind of in a panic because there's some dude in the back of my car. and it was just real quick and I never saw him again but when I was listening to your show

and when she was saying that I was like man that's exactly what I saw with the hat and the color and he was kind of tall and lanky I guess he'd best be described as a hot Abraham Lincoln you know with the top hat and he was very long and thin I couldn't see anything from like the chest up.

I didn't see anything from the chest up. I didn't see anything from the chest down. So I don't know if he was floating or he was standing there. If he was doing the jig. I don't know what he was doing. But, you know, just from the chest up. And that, you know, the whole, I'm not sure if that happened before the whole, you know, thing flying over my car.

I'm not sure. I don't remember which happened first. But I do remember the guy in the back of my car in the middle of the country at, like, midnight, was a lot scarier than a thing flying over top of my car in the country at midnight. Absolutely, absolutely. When you were at work and you saw it in the computer monitor, was there a lot of people around or was it just kind of you? It was me in the lab, and I was the, you know,

everybody else was up front in the front of the building. There was probably, I don't know, it was a second shift crew, so it was probably maybe no more than two dozen people in the entire building. And most of them was up on the production line doing their thing, doing their thing. And I was another thing that was disturbing is that I was the only one in the lab. In the lab, you had to have a code to get in. You had one of those punch codes. So you had to know the punch to get in.

And that was the only one that knew that. If somebody wanted to come in, they had to knock on the door. And there were two entries to the lab. One of them was always locked. And the other one was the punch code. And, you know, I come and go in the lab, I thought, as I needed using the punch code. And, you know, I'm not, I don't remember how long I was in there.

I was probably in there for probably 30 or 40 minutes before I having to look up. And there's this, there's this guy in the monitors kind of just staring at me. And it wasn't necessarily, you know, it wasn't a sinister type of thing. It was more like, hey, how you doing? You know, type of thing, which was maybe if it was a little bit more sinister, it wouldn't bother me so much, but it was more of a, I see you type of. That's the kind of vibe I got was I see you and now I know you see me type of thing. Wow.

So you actually saw features. You didn't just see a shadow figure. You actually saw something that was actually staring at you. Well, yeah. And like I said, I couldn't see his mouth. I could see the bridge of nose in his eyes because he had the top hat, what I call a top hat. I'm not sure what the correct term for it is. It's like an Abraham Lincoln type hat.

And he had his collar. And I remember his collar was higher in the back than it rose in the front. So when he flipped it up, it kind of came down at an angle just enough so you couldn't see his mouth or his tip of his nose to see the bridge of his nose in his eyes. And that's all I saw other than the coat, his eyes, the bridge of his nose and his hat. I didn't see any hair. He didn't move. Didn't say anything. You know, it was just one of those I see you and now you see me type things. Yeah. When you were in your car, did you say this was the same night that you saw it at work? Yeah, it was the same night. So twice and one night you saw once at work, once in the back of your car.

So to me, clearly this isn't something that happened at work and stayed at work. This is something that kind of followed you. Is that the sense that you got to? Yeah, I guess, but it was just that one time. I never saw it. I've never seen it since then. Right, but at that one time, I mean, it seems like it was there aware of you. I wouldn't want to say for you or anything like that, but it was a way.

of you because you saw it at work and then you saw it in your own personal car. And when you got out of the car, you opened up the doors. You didn't see it back there, nothing like that. It was just in the mirror. No, I think I yelled all my, you know, blah, blah, blah, and I slammed on the brakes, got out of the car and opened the doors and that was it. I never saw it. And, you know, I don't know if it was this something that like a, like a memory, like a, you know, I don't know.

I just looked in there and the shadows were doing something weird and it just made me think of it. And it freaked me out because I was sufficiently freaked out at work when that happened. You know, so I was still a little uneasy on the way home, but I wasn't really thinking about it. But I'm the type of person. You know, when I learned to drive, I always check my mirrors. You know, every, you know, so many seconds I'm checking my mirrors. and it's just a habit and I just happened to look back

and review mirror and I thought, oh, I'm like, you know, whatever. And by the time I had stopped and opened my door and a light came on. It wasn't there anymore. I never saw it. I mean, I probably checked my mirror more on the way home that night

than I ever have in my life because, you know, I didn't want to come back or never to see it again. But it was just that one time and, you know, I got the impression that I don't want to

I don't want to give any intelligence, but I got the impression that it just wanted me to know that it wanted to know that I knew it was there type of thing. And I don't know if it was just kind of jerking me around and wanted to freak me out or if there was a reason for it. But it was just two times that one night and never again. Wow. That's quite something, man. That really is.

I can't imagine. and looking in my rearview mirror and seeing something like that. It reminds me of when I was a kid and I can't remember what movie this was. I was probably like in seventh grade. I want to say the movie, have you ever seen the movie?

I know what you did last summer? Yeah. I want to say it was that movie, but it's been so long, I just can't remember. The opening scene of a movie that I saw when I was a young kid, somebody was driving down the road

and they look in their, rear rear view mirror and somebody sits up in their car and chops their head off and I, that's the first thing that I think of when you said that. I mean, because because of that movie to this day, well, I can't say to this day, I think of it, but for the longest time after I was already driving and stuff like that, I would look at my mirror before I leave. I would check my back seats and I would actually take my hand and push my hand around the back seat just to make sure there's if I ducked down down there or something like that because it just, it was like embedded in the back of my brain to check the back seat before I pull out because I didn't want that happening

to me. That's just a, I was never that brave. I would just look and not feel. I was good with that. Yeah. Well, I just, I was like, man, before I start driving this car, I need to know if there's something back there because I don't want to lose my head. It's like, it's just one of those things where it's like psychological almost, you know. That's fascinating. That's absolutely fascinating. You know, before we get out of here, I would like for you to share the werewolf situation

with your family. It's nothing major, I know, but I just would like for you to share it with the audience. This is something that I learned about a few years ago. I was watching that sci-fi paranormal witness show and it was called, I think it was called the London Werewolf. and that's the town I was born. I was born in London, Ohio.

And I watched the episode about a guy who basically was supposed to be a werewolf and kind of like terror, I say terrorized, you know, kind of spied on this lady in her house in the country. And when they said it was London, Ohio, I said, oh, wow, that's kind of cool. I never heard this story. So I mentioned it to my mom. And she's like, oh, yeah, Dale, who's my stepdad. Um, that's a distant relative relative, relative of his. And I'm like, oh, what are you talking about? You know, why have I not, why have I not heard this until now? Because that's kind of important. Um, but evidently, my stepdad's grandmother was, I want to a cousin or a niece or something like that to this guy. And he was supposed to be a werewolf. And it's kind of, it's really kind of a creepy show. And people haven't seen that they should watch it. It's, um, a paranormal witness episode. Um, you know, the guy,

They were in the, it was wintertime, and she would see these yellow eyes looking at her, and then her husband went out and saw animal tracks that kind of turned into, like, feet, and went into this guy's house. I won't ruin it for everybody, but it's a really neat show. And what, when I watched it, what really struck me is that this guy worked at a tire place in the town I'm from, and I actually bought tires when I was in high school from my car from this place. The guy was dead by then. I think he died in the early 80s, early mid-80s.

But it was just really kind of cool. I've always had a fascination with werewolves, and they always scare the little bit of crap out of me. But I very fascinated by it in the fact that through marriage and kind of related to this guy, which is kind of bizarre. And I guess he's buried in the cemetery there's some place. I remember his last name was Barnhart or Barnhart or something like that. I don't live there anymore

but it was just really interesting and my mom didn't seem to think that was a big deal and she's heard the story before when she was growing up and I told my mother about the thing to find over my car and she didn't seem to think that was a big deal she's like oh I've heard about things meaning out in that area in the field

when I was growing up I'm like why have you not been telling me these things you know I grew up here and I didn't know these things that have been really interesting but yeah just really a bizarre little town. I think last I had like 10,000 people roughly in it. You know, a little country farm town.

It's weird. Yeah, that is weird. I found that interesting though. When you said this, me, I was like, well, I got to have you share that with the audience because that's just funny. Not funny, but interesting. Yeah. But, Mike, I really appreciate you coming on. And before we get out of here, I just want to ask you one question with your experience

with the UFO, on your most basic knowledge of things, what does your gut tell you these things are? So many, you know, reports that I can't speak for all of them. I think a lot of people just misidentify things. In regards to what I saw, I don't think it was Little Green Men. I think it was some type of military, something military. why should it interest in me in my car, if it was military, I don't know. Maybe the guys were just having a good day in mind to mess with somebody. I don't know. But I've heard people say before that if there's a million reports of extraterrestrials and only one of them is actually legitimately true,

then there's something to it. All it takes is one for it to be something important. And what I saw, I think, was probably just some type of military. exercise, especially considering where it was at and what I saw when I saw the stealth fighter before it was released to the public. But that's not to say what other people have seen and experienced isn't something more interesting and legitimate. So I probably wouldn't ever know, but I still look up and watch the stars and try to hope to

see I see something, but so far nothing. but I'll take what I got one instance is good enough for me for now. Yeah. That's wise of you. I mean, these things, I do believe that these things could be multiple different, fall under multiple different categories.

But what you saw, the fact that you saw it's so close, you got a good look at it, and it is really close to right, Pat, I would lean towards what you conclude to as well. But like you said, I mean,

It only takes one for something else to be real as well. So it's very interesting. And I really appreciate you coming on and sharing your thoughts and sharing your encounter stories with us. And, you know, like I say to everybody, if you ever have anything else you'd like to share, feel free to come back on. Great. I appreciate.

I'm a new listener to the show. And I've binged all of them, I think, now. So I got you bookmarked and I check every couple of days to see if there's a new one. I really enjoy it. That's awesome. I really appreciate that. and, well, I hope you keep listening. All right.

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