The Confessionals - RELOADED | 375: Bigfoot In England | Deborah Hatswell

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Description:In episode 375: Bigfoot In England we are joined by Deborah Hatswell from BBR Investigations. Deborah had a bigfoot encounter in the 80s in England and that set her life path on a new course of trying to understand the unknown and find people that have seen the strange and unusual like her. Today she talks about bigfoot sightings in the U.K. for the first hour. Then in the overtime segment, she shares more stories coming from the U.K. such as dogman encounters, reptilian encounters, and more!Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducer

Merkel? Medias. I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine? Kind of a Dolion? Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves.

Time travel is possible. And there was a lady's leg found. Just the like. It was the bottom half of the leg. And they said, oh, it's just not suspicious circumstances. There's nothing going on yet. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it.

I saw three long, boning fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappeared. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave, They're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears Dan holds him up like this.

Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two small, and they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush. And I touch air. Couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Okay, I reload it.

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Now, today's show is an overtime show. We're bringing on Deborah Hatswell from BBR Investigations in the UK. Debra and I had a great time talking for quite some time on this recording. We talked about Bigfoot Dogman, E.T., a bunch of stuff that she's been gathering since the 80s that's happening in the UK. It's an awesome show you're about to hear and to let you know we are doing this on YouTube today as well. So if you want to watch the video version of this where her and I are talking on video, head on over to the YouTube channel. The Confessionals, hit subscribe and watch the video of today's interview right there on the YouTube channel. So let's get to Deborah right now.

All right, today we got Deborah Hatswell on the show. How are you, ma'am? Very well, thank you, Tom. Thank you for asking me. I'm really glad you're here. You know, and I honestly, I don't remember exactly how I found you. I was sitting here in the office and I was looking something up. I almost feel like I was looking something up for my show on Apple Podcasts.

and I came across your show and, and I get ADD. Like, I just get distracted on things. And so, yeah, I decided to check out your podcast instead of doing whatever I was doing. And I thought I'm sitting here listening to the episode. I was like, I think I want this lady on my show if she's willing. So I reached out to you and you were willing to come on. So thank you very much. No, you're welcome.

I have a tiny channel here in the UK. But people tend to find where, you know, I'm very lucky like that. So when you asked me to come on, I was overjoyed because I know that you have a massive following in the UK and Europe. So I thought there'd be lots of listeners out there that haven't heard of you or me, if you get rid of me. And it'd be an ace to do a compilation. But once I told people I was coming on, they were like, oh, I love that guy. Oh, I love that channel. I love that podcast.

So, yeah, I think you made a half of Britain half a couple. That's awesome. That's awesome. You know, it's funny because when you're recording and you put out shows, you never know who's listening and stuff. And when I was early in podcasting, I really looked at my, you know, geographical stats a lot and stuff. And over time, I'm just like, I guess people are listening. I don't know where they're at, though. So it's really cool. So shout out to everybody in the UK that listens to the show and, you know, connects with Deborah as well. Deborah, let's first get into what you do. as far as your organization that you founded and what you guys are doing. And then from there, I want to move into like the roots and the foundation of, you know, what got you going. But if you could, just give your everything a shout out here, you know, your podcast, your, you know, investigative community and all that. I started 1982 building a community where regardless of what you witness or whatever your

experience is that you can reach out to them and you can make a report of it because we'll touch on it later but I had an experience when I was 15 and I realised there was nobody really out there to help me with it. So we set up a business called BBR and that started out as British Bigfoot because back in the day that's all I was looking for was Bigfoot witnesses in the UK and I didn't expect to find any and I found over 400 in the end. But as the years rolled on, I realized when I was, and you'll understand this, when you're interviewing somebody and maybe they've seen a cryptid or they've had experience with a reptilian, if you say to them, is anything else strange ever happened to you? Nine times out of ten that they'll say, well, actually, some you should say that. They'll have like a, maybe a paranormal report.

Sometimes lots of phenomenon happens to just one ordinary person. And I realized that we were separating these witnesses off into genres. So the big foot witnesses didn't mix with the paranormal lot and the paranormal mixed with the UFO. And I thought this is, we should get everybody talking because regardless of what you've seen and what you've experienced, you know what it's like to see something impossible. And sometimes it's really validating if somebody says, that's exactly what it was like for me.

or that was similar for me. I think it's just helped him. So that's how the podcast started in the YouTube channel and everything's on the BBR, Deborah Hapswell, just to make it as easy as possible for people to find me. In America,

you have, and Canada, you have a massive understanding of Bigfoot and Sasquatch creatures. So you hear about it. In the UK, not so much up until about 10, something like that. before it was a large subject.

So you've not got many British people Googling the word Bigfoot or Sasquatch. You're probably going to ask Wild Man or an Eighth Man. That pops up more than anything. So, yeah, as I say, so I started with that. And now, I think we have over 4,000 reports now. And if a new one comes in, like Hins today, we've had two. So while I'll do, are they in touch with an volunteer investigator

who lives in that area and they will go out and meet the witness and film the area, get size comparison, get, you know, have a look for prints, do everything that we can really to kind of find out what the person saw and get as much information as we can follow them. You know, I find it interesting too because you are in the UK. And when I first started doing this stuff back in, well, I started the podcast in 2017, but I started really dabbling in the communities in about 2015. And one of the things that I have consistently heard from people in the UK that are into these topics is that Bigfoot is not in the UK.

And it's like it's like this common. And I had, oh, I forget his name and that Andrew is something, I think. It was years ago I had talked to this guy and he's in the UK and he investigates these things. And he does, you know, sea creatures and all that kind of stuff. but when I had him on, we broadcast the show and I got a noticeably amount of emails from people in the UK that listen, they're like, there's nothing here. There's absolutely nothing here. And so when I hear people like you and him talking about this stuff, it just tells me that there's a shift. And when you said that in 2010, it seemed like there was a lot more interest and stuff.

So it's a very new shift in the perception in the UK from what I see. Yeah. And honestly, before I saw what I saw, I would have agreed with them. I would have said it was absolutely ridiculous. It was impossible. And there's no way whatsoever it could have happened. But that's all I was left with. Just you've seen out 50s.

I was completely and utterly terrorized. If I had been in America, I would have been able to sing. That was a big fool. that was a Sasquatch. Somebody seven foot tall, completely hair covered, that looks like a man and an ape that had been pushed together. In England, there's nowhere to go with that. So it wouldn't fit with a UFO, so I couldn't report it there.

It didn't fit in a paranormal sense. He looked completely flesh and blood, but I'm not 100% that he was because I didn't touch him, you know? So the hard issue I had was just being a... able to say to people, I don't know what he was. Because we witnessed something, it doesn't make you an expert on it. So, you know, and your listeners will say the same. If they've had an experience and they'll say, oh, I had an experience with, you know,

UFO, it's down to them to prove that experience. And I don't think it should be like that. I can't prove what happened that day. But you can't put 38 years of working effort into something. you know, if it's just a made-up story, I've been planning these hopes for an awful long time, you know. And as I say, I would have said the same. I'd have said there's no way whatsoever that they could be in this country

regardless of whether they're flesh and blood or their dimensional or a sentient being. And I can't say that now. I just can't. I've spoken to too many normal, everyday people, so postmen, people in. the army, police officers, dog walkers, mass majority of dog walkers, unfortunately, that make these reports.

And many of them will start with, I don't even believe in this, but, you know, when I was out today, this is what happened. And then you can say, normally at that point I'll say to them, try and get a good, really good description of what it looked like.

a really good description of the area, if I can. And then you're trying to guess. So somebody may say, for example, is an area called Seckford in, it's a huge forest, has a road running through the middle of it. And most of the witnesses there said, bear, man, a bear that was up on two legs, a baboon that was up on two legs,

or just a monster or a creature. So nobody's mentioned the word, big foot. but what they're all seeing fits the same description as Patty. So these large shoulders, little neck, a very neanderthal-like face, no hair on the face, but very dark leathery skin. But today's, the account that came in today, his description, I wrote it down, was long shaggy grey hair and a white face. So the descriptions come in in all shapes and sizes and colours,

just as we do in the US and in Canada. and Russia across Europe, because obviously we've had witnesses from Europe that have come forward as well. Yeah, you know, it's funny because people will say that there's no, there's no Bigfoot in the UK, but I saw a baboon. Come on. That doesn't make sense either. But, you know, what you said earlier here, I absolutely agree with you. And I say it on the show several times that my show is chronicling people's story. that they've been through everyday people. And it's not my job as the podcast host, and it's not the person telling their experience job

to convince the whole world of what they saw. We just present a platform that allows people to share those stories, and then it's up to people who hear those stories to walk away, consider the story, and decide for themselves what they want to believe and how this all operates. because the deeper you get in these topics, and I know you know this, the deeper you get into the topics, the weirder it gets. And like you mentioned, I mean, how people, you know, they

have similar experiences, but it's not, they're not talking about the same type of creature. And it's just like something, something's a little off here. And to say that any of us are experts would be silly, very silly in my mind. Yes, most definitely. I've got more questions now than I had in the beginning. I'll be honest. And in the beginning, I just wanted to know what it was. What was it? But then you've got to answer the question. So what are they?

Where are they from? What do they breed? We get those questions across the world. The American researchers and investigators get them. And they will probably attest with me when I say, you can take the best footprint that you can find, the best hair sample that you can find, and you put it in front of your peers.

Someone will say that you faked it. You could drag one, kicking and screaming out of the forest and put it on the 10 o'clock news in the UK, and some people out there would believe that I hoaxed it. So I'm not out there to answer their questions. What I see is the 18 stone man that's built like a Viking that's too scared to drive to work tomorrow night because of something that he's seen on the road.

Or the soldier that's too scared to go on exercise is next week, because what he's seen has happened while he's been on exercise. He can't go to resurgent and say, I've just seen a seven-foot hairy monster, you know, because it just gets, because he'd just get laughed at it. It probably probably have to go for a medical or something like that. And I know I laugh at them, but the amount of people I've spoken to

that have had to go to the doctor in the UK because they've experienced something they can't explain, is ridiculous. And it makes you feel like, There's something wrong up here. And then people say to me, we'll prove it to me. And they're in the UK. How do I do that?

But if you find in footprints in America and we're finding them here, that's correlation. If you're finding shelters, as we call them, and we're finding them here, that's another correlation. If the witnesses are called describing them, they all look different, but there is a theme that runs along, isn't it? Really tall, really big, hairy, isn't it, human? So if we're matching that to that, then I used to say people,

well, if he's not here, then he's not in America because you've got all the same stuff that we've got. And so are the Russians, you know, and so are the Polish. And then you start digging and you find just a wealth that's just been hidden to the Brits. There's so many years where there's been no mention in our history of the woodwolf, as he was called back then.

Just 17th century, just everything stopped. So nobody talks about it. Yeah. Why do you think it stops like that? I mean, do you think there was an active push to stop the talk about it? Or do you think that, you know, something changed in the environment in the UK? I'm not really sure. I couldn't answer that because there's always been a tall, hairy man of the woods, always.

But his names change with history. So as we've gone through, very much like in America. You have the original names that we would call them. I'm not really sure what that would be. The Celtic name or an early English name, I think Silvanus or something like that, which means grey in hair. We had, we called them Dries at one point,

the original name for Druids. And the reason they call them Dries because he said they were half men and half trees and could be both at the same time. Wow. But he's even, Tony, it's even tiny, minuscule. things that people out mention who don't know about

this tree people that they do this hunched position almost guerrilla-like you speak to witnesses and you try and embellish and they will pull you back so you'll say did it have

like a really white chest no it did not have a white chest and you think they're being honest they'd correct him they want me to get it as perfect as absolutely possible and I'm more than happy to do that for anyone. So I do what you do. I say, do want to come on the show? Do you want to talk privately? I don't mind, you know. It's only an hour of my son, I really don't mind. And that's how we've ended up here,

all these years later. Wow. Wow. Yeah. And you even mentioned earlier about the white face. That's something that I had a report of not far from where I live. And the guy that I went out, he took me out to the location, him and his brother, this was years ago before I was even podcasting. And, you know, the area that he took me to, I was in back then, I was like, how could a, how could something like this be hiding in this area? It was very populated and stuff. And then over the years, I started hearing more stories that, like, I'm about 45 minutes from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. And I, it's a huge city. And I'm getting, I've gotten people telling me that they've seen things even closer to the city. I had this one kid. He was about 12 or 13 years old,

like panicking, reaching out to me on Facebook years ago because he had just seen something that he couldn't describe. And I told him, I said, listen, man, like, I need to talk to your parents first before I talk to you. But, but yeah, his parents let me talk to him and everything. And they backed up to, backed up his story as to what he told them. But anyways, let's make a transition here. And so this is kind of foundation of how things got started for you guys over there. But you have a personal story that kind of really jumped you into this. And if you could, just kind of tell us what you experienced. Yeah, no problem. Before it happened, I didn't know about before or it was 1980s in England. So at the time, we had three television channels.

That was it. That's what we had. So compared to America, it's not the same. So I've never really heard. or anything like that. And I didn't know that that's what it was. It took me till I was in my 30s to kind of put that together. I didn't want to go to school. It was a lovely summer's day. We'd been in in the morning

and I didn't want to go in the afternoon. So I skipped school, my friend. And my old school was, it looked like something out of Harry Potter. It's an old Edwardian mansion, really, really old. And it's in its own set of Parkland, Browns. And back in a day, It was like there were streams and fountains and all of that,

but it just went to rack and ruin. And it was really heavily overgrown. And there was lots of like Ivy and Rode Den room. We sneaked into what we call the Ivy Den. And we were in there having a quick fag. But we were lay on the floor talking to each other like this. So there's all this greenery around us. And I noticed something new.

And I thought it was going to be a teacher. And we were caught, you know. So that was the about, that really wasn't that really wasn't that shook me much when I was 15 you know but as I looked

I kind of made eye concept with this thing and that's the only way I can say it and he lay out at the bush like this and just looked at me and I looked at him and I started screaming

and I don't know why I did this it was without thought I pushed my friends to the floor so that it'd get her and not me and I start off running and I looked back to see if he was coming after me

and she was running in the opposite direction and he wasn't there so he must have just melded back into that bush but it was it is impossible it cannot have happened

but it did and it just I can describe his face the amount of arguments I've had inside my head with that face and just trying to get rid of it

just trying to come up with a reason I wanted somebody to say to me Or it was just hysterics or it was just a man in a zoo Or, you know, all of, nobody ever explained it away. He was about seven feet tall, seven and a half feet tall. He was huge, there's huge jaw muscles. Really big muscles here, very pronounced brow.

No hair on his face, just a little bit of bumfut, like a teenage boy he'd have there. His teeth were human-likely. He didn't have canines or anything like that. like they were flat and normal like a human being. His nose is like a boxer, kind of flat to his face, but still upturn at the same time. And he just looked at me. That's all he did.

He didn't do anything, but that was enough. I was absolutely terrified. I don't even remember running home. I remember coming to on the main road, and that's probably 15 minutes running. I have no memory of that. I just remember coming to you on the road and realise it,

so I had to cross another bit of Parkland and it was really, really high. It was about nine, ten feet high and I just thought, I'm not going through there. There, in there, that was the thought. I'm not going through there, they'll be in there. So I went the long way home, running through the door, crying and screaming.

And my mum said, get upstairs and get your uniform off your dad being in in a minute and that were it. And I was like, Mom, mum, I've seen this thing. I've seen this thing and she was just like, every just go upstairs and get changed. So when my dad come in, I told my dad And my dad's a big man

He works on the docks He's absolutely huge He used to tear apples apart With his hands As a trick from his kids That sound And he looked like he could have just Flicked my dad

And I was terrified And I kept saying to my dad Dad, it was a man It was a man And he was like Even when we talked about Just before and past He said

I know that you were scared And I knew me where you know When your kids are scared And you know when your kids are lying. And I used to go back to school the next day. And I don't know how I did that. I don't know how I did it. I asked everyone.

I asked the local mayor if he knew what it was. I just asked everybody. And everybody looked at me like as a complete, an utter idiot. Or, you know, what's wrong with it kind of thing? Now, all these years on, there's seven other people that have seen it other than me. And they're not people I know. what are people that I found. Thomas Markham runs an American blog

called the Cryptoperator. And a lady reached out to him in, I think 2014. And she said, she came from England. She lived in Lancashire where I live. And she remembers a young girl who saw a monkey man in the park. And everybody in the... We don't live in a big town.

It's about 2,000 people. Like, everybody in the town kind of ridiculed her. And she said, but I saw what she... she saw. And she saw him in except for the same place as me. But she saw all of him. It was two years after. A man was in the summer of 82. Those was in the winter of 84. And she said, he had no neck. She said he looked like a man in a chimp together. He was clearly male. You could see male genital. And he was completely hair covered. But you could see his skin through his hair. And I would agree with that. She described him as really, really

dark in colour and I would agree with that as well but I remember where the sun was shining him it was I remember thinking about it and it was almost urban but in the terror of it all you don't take any of that in I mean I sat down years after

with an American artist called Alex Evans and she helped me put a photo fit together of him as close as I could get it like kind of as close and it was then and I said to it had a bit of recognition to it almost

I don't like Auburn I'd say the colour Arbin and there's been this has a gentleman who was out on the mighty bike for all it's a town

I should explain that it has a river valley that runs through it and that river valley takes you up to the mountain range and you can go to Scotland or to Wales or to the north-east

and there's numerous accounts on that line so I spent the rest of the next 30 years trying to track out how he got there, how he could possibly be there, how I saw him and other people haven't seen him at that point. And then I just got on the CB radio and I started just asking truckers,

if they'd seen anything on the road. Or I'd write to a local newspaper in a random town and say, you haven't seen anything strange when you get out and about? Desperation. True, though. put it anywhere, just anywhere. And then in 2013, 2014, something like that, I'm trying to find,

so I said, get online and see if you can find, like a photo that's close to him. So I'm looking like the Anderatolls and I do against this and anything down the hominy in that line. And I've seen this face, oh, and it's a sight to the monster, but a famous case in America. And they could be brothers.

not exactly the same but enough to make me sure that's all that. It was awful it's like I'd gone right back there that day and it didn't matter who had interviewed

between now and then I was back as that 15 year old I was so frightened and I didn't realize how much it affected me until my children started to say to me mum you never took us near the woods when we were kids

and my older daughter I said you not remember that time when they heard that man I heard a really strange growl and you picked me up and you ran with me and I said no I don't remember that at all, sweet time and she said you did we're on holiday with granddad

and we was at the seaside so it's not a woodland or anything and she said I heard a growl in the bushes and I picked her up she'd be about three or four and put her under me hand and ran I said no I don't remember that at all so I don't know if I've just blocked them out

you know over time kind of thing but I'd never took me kids to the woods and I thought oh my lord I've got me Well, we'll stand down to this tiny bubble because of this fear. What do I do? And straight up, my husband said to me, you do you want to see things,

you put it down and walk away forever and don't ever think about it again. Or find out what it is, Deb. Just, you know, I'm really good at, like, looking for stuff. So he said, just do what you do and find out. So that's what I did. You know? Yeah. Well, you know, one, I think it's really cool that your husband said that.

And so I know there's a lot of people out there that have experience. and stuff and their spouses don't believe them or they don't want anything to do with it. It sounds like you have a supportive husband. You even said some things in the email when we were talking that made me feel that way. Now, with your experience and the initial experience, you said you pushed your friend down and you ran and your friend ran like in the opposite direction. Did you ever connect with your friend to see if they saw it? Are they still friends with you?

Yes. Okay. Because, I mean... It's a tiny. So I went to her wedding, she came to my wedding, we both got grandchildren now. She has no interest in it whatsoever. She calls him the guerrilla man. But it didn't have the, he's scared or don't get me wrong, but she was able somehow to just

put it away, no interest in whatsoever. But we had very different lives going up, so she's from the town, and for all I'm from the town. My parents just used to take us away every weekend. Or we go, you know, we go fishing and we just go away. and we'd just go away. Any time my dad would get out of town, and that's what we did. So I don't know if that's why it affected me more,

because I stopped all that at that point. But no, she's a very, very long time ago, I was looking on, I thought, I'm going to ask people at the school. On every friend's year united, there's a school site, so I'm going to go on there and I'm going to say, does anybody remember the griller man in the park? And she popped up, and she went, yeah, I do.

And honestly, this is the honest, I shut the laptop. And I thought, no, I can't do that. It was like, it was real again. But, you know, so no. People think she's this big secret. She's on my, I say to speak, she's on my Facebook friends. She's got no interest in it whatsoever at all. And that's what we see a lot of times too with encounters that people have.

You know, they can have experiences with other people, but the way you react to it is completely different. I mean, you dove straight into it and she's ran away from it and she's just like, I don't want anything to do with it. It is what it is that happened, but I don't want to talk about it at all, you know? So she said, it's the gorilla man. I'm going to know everything. So that was your experience and it got you going. At what point did you establish BBR investigation and start collecting these reports?

I mean, so that your experience happened in 82. Was it years later? No, I started collecting the reports as soon as I could, but I didn't find any until I probably 16, 17, so probably two years after and I got in touch with a, like I say, truckers. So I was getting reports from some people of these, like the road crossing, these typical road crossing creature, why that happens, I don't know, because if you just stayed in the shrubber, with drive past, we'd never see it. So the heart of me sometimes thinks they're not active.

but I'd be hearing from truckers that were way out on like lonely single roads in Scotland or Wales up in the island and they'd be making these reports banned on the cabs when they're asleep, things being taken. A couple of them had seen what they describe as hairy man

or upright to let's hairy man walk across the road in front of them. So a lot of my first ones were like that. So they fit because they're way out in the in the countryside. And I just did that for as long as I can. I think when I got to BBR, I probably only had about 11 or 12 other than mine. But the internet started then.

So I was like, right, I can just take this running. I thought it'd be dead easy. I thought I'd just put it in a search engine and it'd answer all my questions and it didn't. So you start looking to be foreign and anyway, you can't search in words that you think. So you're like, wild man. and I'd already at that point knew that I thought

wow it's really like what they've got in America not exactly the same but really like so I'm going to go down the big foot corridor it was a chap in the UK that had already started BBM it was his interest he'd gone to America as a child and had an experience and he came back here and he was running the group and he just I think he'd just had enough

he wanted to pursue with the paranormal side of things and he just said to me Debbie do you want to take it over and I was like yeah I could do and I found Charmaine. I can't remember if Ian was first or Charmaine, because I met them both in the same six months. Ian was an ordinary builder from Yorkshire. He was walking his dog, but I had to stay at night.

He's walking down a farm lane. So he said there's forest on this side and farms on this side. The dog reacts first, starts barking and yelke. He's looking for a fox or a rabbit or something, and he said this thing steps out of the tree line. It's about eight feet tall, completely hair covered, really thick shoulders. And I asked him what his face was like, and he said he kind of kept its face in the shadow. I don't really remember facial features.

But what I do remember is it looked left and as if to say, don't step out. And he was so shocked. He said the dog was running at it and barking at it. And he said, I don't know how I did it, but I just turned around and walked off. calmly as I could. But he said, I went, all right, which is the normal Yorkshire, higher.

That's how they'd say, hello, hi, they go, and that's what you did to it, because he was in so much shock, he just did that. So then he's out there, he's searching for other witnesses in the UK. So then we're like, well, do you want to hear mine? This is what happens to me. And he's like, that's how we came up with the green corridor. Can I get from his reporting and all things?

to my report in the North West without hitting a town. Well, I can't if I follow the river but stay on that river and I can avoid all towns. So then we find Charmaine. Charmaine's eight at the time which is in a 40s now,

very academic. She lived, her grandparents lived in the highlands of Scotland so really, really fast out there. Now it's a sick of plantation but back then it was natural forest. she said it's about half a mile down the farm path to the main road to get the mail and that's what she's doing

she's walking down with the job and the dog reacts first and she said I'm looking for a fox or something that's come out of the farm and I turn and she sees this she only sees him from behind and she said it's completely hair covered he's my eight feet tall and he's holding on to a branch examining a leaf like this and she runs in and she tells grandma and grandma says oh that's just the ginger arm

like it was nothing. So a couple of months later, yeah. A couple of months later to driving Mac in the car and she said, this is just this humanoid shape in the middle of the road. It's dark. But it's just stood there, this illuminated hominid and none of the adults commented on it at all.

And she said there was another time when they were picking raspberries and this howl came up the valley and all of the parents got them all together and brought them back home. And she, like I said, she studied the hominid line for, like me, she studied whatever she could to find out.

So you've got three people and you've got a nice little base going. So it's like we can lean on each other. She's finding reports in Scotland. I'm finding reports in England. And my daughter said to me, we were pinning them on the map, actually pinning them on a wall map at the time. So you couldn't keep any information with it,

just the pinpoint. And I want to know what else is like I'm going to do. Is there any holes being reported on that area at any point? Screaming woods are a good one. I always look for reports of a screaming when I think, right, that's where we need to be looking. And then she went from there. We found Jazz. He was seven.

He was waiting to watch how the West was one Sunday afternoon. One of those homes, like most of us, where it stops your house is the last, and then it steals and farms and rivers and woodlands, very like mine. That's where he is. He said, he looks the side of him and this is just chimp face looking in the window at him. And he was so frightened by it that he drew it. He sat at the kitchen table and drew it. And went to school and showed it the teacher the day after.

Wow. Yeah, that's enough to terrify kids. I mean, you know, coming across something examining a leaf that you had no idea to even exist and that's peering in a window. That's terrifying. It's something that we didn't mention earlier, and I want to bring up, I might be wrong with the number, but you guys have about 250 researchers right now with BBR. Is that right? Yeah, yeah, probably more. We've got a couple in America, some in Australia, across Europe.

It's free. We don't ask for any money or anything like that. And a lot of people join just because they like a podcast. They like the subject. They want to talk to like many people. and then that's why we do we do like a bi-weekly live feed just so they can chat

I'll just wait for on and they just chat to each other in the chat and we meet up once a month in a different town across the country so our next one's on Saturday we'll go, we'll just have a cup of tea witnesses come out investigators come out

and if a report comes in an area so like today one's coming from the Medway and the Medway is just south of London so you wouldn't think that anything would be coming in there. Well, the River Medway has 16 reports along it of upright, tall, hairy men. So what I will do tonight is I look for a researcher or an investigator in that area

who's happy to go out and have a chat with this man. And that's how we do it. And then they take the report. That comes back to me. And then I released it on the podcast and invariable like we get. I was listening to the podcast and it made me think about an incident that happened much, you know, many years ago now. You made me think we think about it in a different way.

So we get a lot of historical reports as well. But they're still important. They build up that knowledge base, you see. Yeah, absolutely important. So you guys are actually meeting with the people face-to-face then. Yeah, whenever we can, as often as we can. We've got a good little community going now. So anyone that comes in that's new,

I'm not one for telling them what they've seen. I want them to know every single theory that's out there and their option and opinion and then work that out for themselves. So I don't just introduce them to say what I would call a flesh and blood investigator where they're out there looking for print, physical. I will put them in touch with him,

but I'll also put them in touch with a number of other people who have different opinions because you might have to taste all of the flavours before they decide. And as you say, some just walk away. they're not interested and others get a real real, they get a lot from it, I think. I mean, I do. It's just really nice to be able to talk to people about the subjects that we like without them giving in the side eye all the time. I totally understand. I totally understand.

So it seems like Bigfoot has been a huge, obviously, I mean, just judging by the name of it, it's been a big motivating factor for the organization. For you personally, now, I know there's everybody has their own flavor that they like. And so some people, their favorite encounter stories are when it's terrifying that they, or some people, their favorites are, you know, did you see amazing detail? What kind of experiences have come across your desk over the last however many years that really stand out to you is like, that is one of my, I don't know if the right word is favorite, but that is a, that is an encounter story that we received that really, really just stands out to me.

There are so many of them, but I would say Derek, Derek lives down on the Medway. He's really old now. He's in his like 70s, but this one really tugs at me. It really, really does. But when I said to you back in the day,

I'd be on the radio, CB radio, anything that I could. And I met him, and he was from up in the northwest of where I live, but he was down on the Medway. And he's telling me that he's, when the first, down there you got to understand it's not that far after the war so he's come from a city

and he's moved to a really rural area in the middle of nowhere and he said his wife was really frugal so she'd stretch a pound as far as she could stretch it but anything that they got or anything that he caught when he was poaching because it's illegal to hunting the UK you're not we're not allowed to do it so anything he got that he poached or fished she would put half of it in the would for the caretakers. And he said for the first 10 year he thought they were actual caretakers like people who worked on the

land and stuff. And he said, but it really annoyed him because if you'd catch like four trout, you'd have to give to the line. And she insisted on it because she said that for all the time the farm had been in the family for probably five generations and it had never failed and it'd never

failed because they did be certain rituals where they would take it. She'd pick blackberries. She'd leave ours there and she'd go on and it kind of works and she one night he sat down

and he said honestly I thought something was going on because she'd keep nipping off to the woods without me and she said to him have you, when you've been fishing

or you've been outside have you ever seen anything you know like that looks like a monkey and he's like don't be ridiculous and he had a row he said

and he had a really bad round he hadn't had an argument like that up to that point in the marriage and she said to him, come with me and I'll show you. And he was like, right, okay, I will. And he said, she storms into this woodland and she's like,

right, come out, and he said nothing happened, nothing happened at all. And he said, I made the worst mistake of my life, you know, that thing that you do when you check to see somebody's ill. Yeah. He put his hand on her head as if you said, you're all right, sweet that.

And he said, she went home and she wouldn't speak to me. But I've never seen her that upset. I've never seen her that upset. at all. And they just, after about four days of silent dinners, they just decided

to just let it drop and not talk about it again. But he said she was really depressed and down about it. And unfortunately, about five, six years later,

she passed away. And he went through a really bad time and he said he was just drinking just to get to sleep. And I think they'd been married at that point

for like 40, 50 years or something, you know? And he just couldn't cope without her. And he said, The one thing that kept him going was she loves the garden and he knew that if he didn't do the garden,

she'd be heartbroken even though she wasn't there. So that's what he started doing. He said to get himself out of it, go out in the garden. And he said, one day he's working in the garden and he's seen something really far shrunk between the farm and the garage. So he presumed it was someone coming to Nick the generator

because that'll happen a lot here on the Land Rover or whatever it is. He comes to Nick. So he runs to the house as fast as he can. There's nothing there, nothing there at all. So he says, I sit down, I have a cup of sea. light the fire and looking out the window.

He said, and I see the back end of something go under the fence. He said, I don't suppose I can say, I'll say ass, a hairy ass. He said it was probably, I thought it was a teenage barbill, you know, went underneath the fence. And he said, I run to the window and I slicked and I went down. By the time I got up, it had gone. Over the next three or four years, he starts seeing them a bit more. So they're like popping out from behind trees and stuff like that.

And he said, he's this really big old one. And you used to see him with a really big old grey female. Never said what, he never put a word in Switzerland, but they. And he said then one day you realised that she was right, Lily was right, all those years that she told him. And he'd never ever believed her. And there he was looking at him himself. And he just said, that's my biggest regret, is that we could have.

done this together. So I think that's the one that sits with me. Yeah. And he got sadder. Because we're still in touch and he said, I've seen the old man today, Debbie, and he's on his own. She's not with him this year.

Because I know in America it's the same, we kind of go off somewhere and you'll get lots and lots of lots of activity and it'll quickly be quiet for once in them and then it'll start up again. And he said, yeah, he's on his own. I've seen him, not seen her this year. She's nice. That's quite sad.

But yeah, we're still in touch. I talk to him quite often, but he is lovely. But he lives where these 16 other people have reported seeing them. Wow. Yeah, that is sad. I mean, it's almost like his life path went the same as these creatures as well, where they both lost their significant other. And that's a sad story.

I was hoping for something more peppy. But I, so I'm assuming after he had that experience or these ongoing experiences stuff, I imagine like you said, he has that regret and things like that. Does he feel a sense of connection to these things? Because she had. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so. Because obviously he's not drinking anymore.

So clearly he's got better. throughout the intercourse didn't remember with the interaction I think it was just I think the argument hung between them a lot because I think they were because they were so nearly wet

and he's not believed you I think that that got to that's what I got from it with him and I said to him you've got to let that go you were both young you've probably only 20 or something like

you know we make mistakes it's okay I was found a footprint a perfect footprint, toes, movement, the whole nine yards. And my husband, drawn through it, went like that with a stick across it. And ooh, oh, that was there.

Yeah. So we all make mistakes, you know, that's what I said to him. But there are some funny ones and there are some like just scarer, even though there's no actual attacks. I'm going to say, we don't get these reports of people being killed,

but that doesn't mean that people don't go missing because they do. But there's like a distraction that goes on. Things will be thrown, noises will be made, running feet, almost like a bluff charge. We get an awful lot of that. But there are the odd places in the UK where there's a high level of cryptids and there's a high level of missing males.

You've got to be honest, that does happen. Missing males, really? Yeah, yeah. There's one in the new forest, down in the new forest. I don't know how this happens in America, but we have a term that is no suspicious circumstances. And that means that basically that's what the police say when they don't know what happened.

So down in the forest, we've got a lot of dogman reports, K-9 reports, that kind of thing. And they find a trainer, which is a sports ship, with a stop and a foot within it, and half of the cast bone. But that was declared no suspicious circumstances. So there's nothing suspicious about this.

It's a natural death. Don't worry, but there's nothing to see here. I don't really knew that because he didn't have the rest of the body. Where I live, a similar thing, you've got along the river, you've got an awful lot of cryptid reports, and there's a massive number of missing men or men that are pulled from the canal, as we call it. And there was a lady's leg found, just the bottom half of the leg. and they said, oh, it's just no suspicious circumstances.

There's nothing going on here. A year later, probably 20 mile upstream, they find lots of garbage bags with her body parts in. So the legs obviously broke. Ami Moles have opened the bags and, you know, it's come down. She still, no suspicious circumstances. So naturally, she'd chopped herself up and put her in those bags itself and tied them up.

That's what you're dealing with in the UK. So whether there's any real attacks, we just wouldn't know, they would probably it up. Yeah, it definitely sounds like it. Yeah, if that's not suspicious, then Bigfoot definitely wouldn't be suspicious. You know, and it kind of goes along with another lady. I was trying to connect with her to be on the show and she declined, actually. But this was UFO. And I'm not exactly sure when it happened, but she actually saw.

military aircraft, I would assume a helicopter, shoot down a UFO. Are you familiar with that story at all? No, no, but it just surprised me whatsoever, yeah. Because her whole motivation, because she's not into any of this kind of stuff. But after what she saw, she is like, I want the truth to be put out there that our government, our military, shot one of these things down. and they were not acting aggressive in any way. And so she has an angle where she feels,

it sounds like she feels very sympathetic to the craft. But I reached out to her to have her on the show. And she said initially yes. And then I think she looked at my website and saw that I talk about things other than, other than UFOs. And she's like, none of that exists. This guy's crazy, you know, because she was, like, she was so new to all this stuff that all she knew was the UFO that she saw get shot out of the

guy and I think she was just like, I don't want to talk to this guy. You know, so that is what it is. Maybe she'll hear this interview and think it different. Who lost? I mean, I got that in the beginning. I'd get people saying, why are you interviewing him? He's not at a big foot report. Well, it doesn't matter.

Does it matter? I've never seen a dog member. I spoke to thousands of people who have. You know, we've been traumatized by it. I've never had a UFO experience, but I can categorically tell you that I have spoken to witnesses. that have had implants that have lost an hour and a half of time and they've had ball bearings in the neck or in the toe

of strange bruises. My husband had an experience with a UFO when he was about 21 and he had to read friends with him at the time when he happened and he's got a triangular scar on his arm. So for all I've never seen one, I absolutely 100% believe that he did. You know, I just wasn't there,

but I know when my husband's telling me the shirt. So he has a triangle-shaped scar on his arm. Wow. On his arm, that's a... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's just going past and set the dog out.

Yeah, he was about 21, right? Yeah. Twenty-one. And they... It was about 1 o'clock in the morning, and there was him and three of his friends. What, one... They used to, these little shocks here,

but back then, they had to shut at 8 o'clock. So if you needed, like, anything, you'd have to walk to the motorway, which I think you guys call it a freeway. You'd have to walk to a service station really and that's what they were doing. All kind of lost consciousness at different parts of the walk

but all came to, describe it from me again. In a star shape, all head to head. In a star shape all head to head on top of an ancient barrow. It was a light above them. And it shot off. It did a really strange,

movement and then it shot off to Winter Hill, which is a massive aerial, a big satellite thing that you can. We live between Juddral Bank and Winter Hill, so there are a lot of aerospace stuff goes on there. And that were it, but he didn't tell me anything about that until he was probably in his late 30s, early forces. He just didn't want to talk about it, did you? But luckily now, I mean, I've interviewed the three men that were with him,

and they all give them technically the same story. And then I found other people that have seen something here. A young lady saw it on the same motorway. She was driving with a family when they saw it around her at the same time. So that's how I got into the UFO side of things. He was trying to find answers for Mark, really. Because he had a missed an important bit out. When they got, he said when they came to,

it was like they were drunk kind of a bit. and he said we didn't really talk about it on the way on. We just walked home and didn't really talk about it between ourselves at all. It was almost like unspoken about. And they had an hour and a half of missing time. Wow. So with the missing time idea for him, is the assumption that there was an abduction that was happening there?

Or what has he concluded? I don't know. I said to it, would you want to know? Because one of the things we're trying to say, up at the moment is one of the members of BBI has actually done her hypnotherapy course

so we're not at no point that we're going to put people under regression but you can do some relaxing techniques so that we could do that with them and then when we were me interviewing you tend to find you get a bit more information out of it so I said to him would you be willing to do that and he said no

he doesn't know what a scarier not knowing what happened or knowing what happened and that's how he left it it was like it's the lesser of two evils in it, you know? Yeah. But yeah. Yeah.

That's actually something that a lot of people say, you know, when they're faced with the option of regression therapy and were not, they, a lot of times people choose not to because what they remember makes them feel so uneasy. They don't want to remember anything else. Even though you and I, as the people who record these people's experiences stuff, we would love to know more. The chances of that ever happening for some people is very slim. I'd love to be depressed.

I would love to go back to that day and kind of look at it with adult eyes. I'd have made him bigger. I'd have made him scarier in any way. You know, just to be able to look at him and not run and just taking everything that I could. Yeah, I'd love to do it. Is there anybody in the UK that could do that for you?

I mean, have you come across anybody that would? Yeah, a couple of chaps have tried, but I just didn't, I just didn't go under. I'm not everybody susceptible to her honest. Some people it will work really well on. But I'm hoping because it's my friend that's done it and we already have a trusting relationship. I said to you do me because it might work

because I trust her. It might be easier. I think I'm so frightened of going back that sometimes I kind of... I think I forced myself out of it the last two times to get one of me. It's like you're going to the dentist. You've got to do it.

But when you're in the chair, you want to run and I think that's what maybe what I was doing. Being honest. Yeah. No, that makes sense a lot actually. And, you know, I definitely, I definitely understand that because there has, I've never been regressed. I don't think I have anything to regress about. But, you know, maybe one day I will. But the thought of it, though, always has gotten me curious as to how it works because people talk about how, you know, puts you in this relaxed state. And I'm a kind of an uptight, tense person to begin with. Trusting people, especially people that I don't know, is very hard for me.

And so I always wonder if I'd be one of those people that wouldn't be very successful with a regression therapy. Possibly. I mean, possibly. We relaxation is a bit better. So I tend to say to people, whatever it is that you zone out on. So for some people, it's music, for others, it's running or riding the back. that when you're at your most relaxed, it's probably the best time

if you're going to, if an interview to someone or you, if you're nervous, just do it when you really, really relaxed because I think it's just much easier. I just think, I've seen it work to people, so I'll say to people,

if you paint, before we speak, just go on paint for an hour or two just so that you're at, you're absolute relaxed, and I'll let you lead the conversation. It's kind of put it in, in their hands. I'm not going to ask you any trick questions.

Because people are really nervous about being interviewed, aren't there? They really are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is definitely true. I've had that experience as well. Yeah.

I think my most relaxed is I tend to zone out sometimes when I'm editing my audio and I forget I'm supposed to edit it. And I'm just like 15 minutes goes by and I'm just listening. I'm like, wait a second. I forgot. I'm supposed to be working on this. That's me. I think I don't remember hearing that.

So you just carry on. Don't you think, oh, 20 minutes just come back. I go back to that bit and start again. That's the best bit, I think. I get really relaxed when I'm editing. I like the editing. It kind of turns my brain off from it all, if you get what I mean. Yeah.

I like kind of sourcing an image of something. I'm really trying to find an image that will fit perfectly. Because my art skills are useless. True. It really, really are. But I just think everybody has a story, whether it be a cryptic one or whatever. Everybody has, every person in the world has a really good story. And you could sit and drink your coffee with and listen to it.

People have amazing stories, don't they? They really do. And it's really just everybody's an individual. They all have their own life experiences. And it's just, I don't know. I think that people need to just get more comfortable in their own. own skin to be able to share some of this stuff because it's really hard to come to terms with. There's a guy I just talked to last night and his girlfriend had some really incredible experiences.

But, you know, to get her to come and talk to me, I mean, she knew he was going to be interviewing with me. She knows who I am. She listens to the show. But to get her to talk to me is, he says, like, pulling teeth. And so, you know. I understand. I really do understand that.

When we were chatting an email, do you remember I speak to you about my friend Randy who was in BC, in Canada. And I presumed that it was really, really easy to make a a smash watch report if you were from America, from Canada. I thought people were shouting for the stories.

And he's never really shared with anyone but me. And I think because he just used to listen to my channel and he just said he just enjoyed my voice. listen to the channel and his wife said, just message her, just send her a message and ask. His Sasquatch encounters, because he's had two, are absolutely mind-blowing, absolutely

mind-blowing. So why nobody would take them in America? I can only presume it's because he didn't fit the mould. Because what you've got is you've got a guy that's native to that area, so he's been out there forever. He's in his 50s now, so he works with bears. So he counts bear population. He hunts his own food You know, pretty stuff

He lives up near a slave lake Which is not that far in American terms From Yellowknife but in English terms It's a long way He was out hunting And he said He parked the car about five miles away And he'd walked in

And he said he heard this noise That he's screaming awful noise And a moose came running out of the woodline And he said his eyes were rolling I was terrified. I thought it was going to kill me. And on the back of it was what he described as a creature. This thing that looked like a caveman was on the back of this moose.

And he said, I didn't even think to pick my gun up. He never entered my head. I thought, if you see me, I'm dead. So he just kind of backed out slowly. And he said, where he left it was the creature at this, like the mousse's neck in its arm and he had it down to the ground like this. and he said, I don't even know I got back to the car.

He said, and I got in the car and I drove and I stopped about a mile down the road and I just couldn't put it together what I think is probably in his father. He's his first time he'd never seen anything outrageous like that. And it really shook him, really, really shook him. And then, so he said he started going closer to Edmonton when he was hunting. He went with his boys. And he said, we get through this bit in the forest. and it looks like every single tree's been trashed.

It's just not a tree standing up anywhere. He said, and as we're looking, we see this bear coming over the rise. And he said, I work with bears, when bears walk along, they sniff the air, they move their head like that, and they sniff the air. This was walking like urine. And as it came over the crest,

you realized it was on two legs. And it didn't see them. And he said, when it did suddenly realize that they were there, it kind of turned on a dime was his expression. So it's kind of gone like, oh, like really cartoonish. Gone behind this tray, he said he flopped to his belly and crawled out backwards. And that, if I hadn't taken that report, we just got completely lost.

We just, we wouldn't know about it now. That's amazing. That's amazing. So he sees, the first time he sees one, it's hunting a moose. And the next time he sees one, he's. the one hunting and he catches it off guard and it it hides jumps it jumps to his belly and crawls away flat to its belly and falls away and people out there that really into satswatch will have heard that that motion yeah meant plenty of times it they had to go from

flat on the floor straight up or from straight up right down onto the belly and on both times he was terrified absolutely terrified and he had a weapon on him and he had a weapon on him and he said it didn't even enter his head because it was just what he was seeing was just so big. So I thought, I'll never be able to, it's vast out there, I'll never be able to find another report so I can say for him, look. And it did by 10 mile in Mitsum. He's a man and a woman driving a car with the kids in the car and they see exactly the same that he describes in the woods watching them from behind a tree like this. So I was able to say to him, look, there's somebody else in the area that's also seen something

similar to you. So I would imagine because I'm hoping that you'll chat with him you'll get far more decent out of him because I don't really have an understanding

of America and hunting laws and the stuff that he taught me was absolutely amazing he said there was another time when he shot a deer

in long grass he said and he went over to get it and was completely gone he said there was like no drag mark there was no sign

of the deer running out it was just nothing the day just completely balanced Yep, that's something we hear about a lot. You know, once you shoot your deer, you better get on a quick. Yeah.

Because there's other things out there they're going to take it, not even just Bigfoot, but you got to track that thing fast. Well, I would say this. I mean, you know, if Randy's listening right now, I would love to talk to him. And if you want, go ahead and reach out to him and stuff and see if he'd want to talk to me because I would be absolutely up for something like that. He will. He most definitely will. And we're keeping touch, because you always keep in touch. We're just keeping touch, and he'll give me the odd update as a friend. So we're not really talking about big foot or anything like that.

It's like the kids and the dogs and things like that. He's a lovely chap. He really, really is. And I just thought, it's strange that there's all those people across America that could have taken his report. And he's only felt comfortable with this little old lady in the north-east of England. You know, but you see what I mean? It's a strange world, isn't it, that we live in it, really?

It's what always is. The technology of today bridges the gap so much, you know. There's so many people that have access to you and your show, your organization because of the internet. The internet is the reason why you even, you know, started looking back into the whole thing, right? I mean, you said that you kind of died off and then so. Yeah, it did. Definitely. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. The internet does. It does some amazing thing. Deborah, would you be interested in doing another hour or so with us for overtime talking about dog man, reptilians and stuff? Yeah, of course. Yeah, that's not a problem.

Awesome. Well, listen, before we get out of here for the first hour, could you let people know again where they could find your podcast, your YouTube channel, and where they can report things to you? I made it as easy as I can. If you just put my name into Euro, just put Deborah Hatswell and BBR and I will cop up. but obviously I'll give you my email and a couple of links that we can put into the description to make it easy for people.

Fantastic. Fantastic. All right, Debra. Thanks for being here for the first hour. You're very welcome. I really enjoyed it. Well, that's sure, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it.

And if you did enjoy, please share the show with your friends. I don't care where or how you share the show. Just share the show if you enjoyed it because that's the best thing you can do to help this show grow down the road. And again, friends, let you know we are doing the YouTube as well. so go ahead and hit subscribe on the Confessionals YouTube channel and watch today's interview if you want. You know you listen to it just now, but if you want to watch it, go over to the YouTube channel. You can see my ugly mug and Deborah's wonderful glowing face.

And I also want to let you guys know on my trip to Kentucky in two weeks from now. I'm going to Kentucky to hunt the dog man. I've been talking about it. I want to let you guys know if you're following me on YouTube, you'll be able to catch live videos on YouTube of that trip on the way down. I will not be able to stream in the woods even if I wanted to, which I can't. can't because it will be no cell phone reception whatsoever. But I will be streaming periodically on the trip down, doing some live videos and stuff while I drive so you guys can keep me company because it's like a 10-hour drive and I'm going to be doing it all by myself, leaving around

two, three o'clock in the morning. It's going to be an early morning for me driving through the day to get down to Kentucky and start this investigation. And if you want to watch some of the live videos that I'll be doing on YouTube, go ahead and subscribe to the YouTube channel. And last but not least before we get out of here. I just want to remind you, we do have a P.O. box. I did post it on the website. So if you guys want to mail any goodies and stuff like that, I've said it before on the show, people over the years have been asking for an address to send me stuff. And I've always given my home address. But now I'm just starting to think, you know, it might be time to actually get a PO box. And that's what I did. So there you go. Go ahead and mail anything you want there. And I will

get it. All right, friends, until next week, stay safe. Take care. And remember, the truth was such a free, but first they'll piss you off. Bye. Awaken from the forest in the depths of the abyss. This creature is a paradigm of time lost and time itself. It fears no one.

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