The Confessionals - RELOADED | 397: The Lost Gold Of Dents Run

Episode Date: May 29, 2023

In Episode 397: The Lost Gold of Dents Run, we are joined by Kem and Den Parada, a father-and-son treasure hunting duo based out of Pennsylvania. Back in the 1970s, Den was on the hunt for a lost Civi...l War treasure made up of 52 gold bars that went “missing” while being transported from Virginia to Philadelphia. In today’s currency, the gold bars were estimated to be worth close to $400,000,000, which would be the largest buried treasure recovered in U.S. history. One day when Den was at work, a psychic entered the store, found his way over to Den, and ended up revealing a location where he believed Den would find the gold. This encounter set off a nearly 50-year-long search for the Civil War treasure. After investing so much time and effort into their endeavor, the Paradas had the treasure pegged and proceeded to follow proper legal means of recovering it. They called in the F.B.I. and believed everything was aboveboard and ready to unearth the treasure of a lifetime – but they soon regretted it all when government agencies moved in under the cover of night and stole the gold out from under them. Kem and Den tell us everything about their incredible story, from how they found the gold, to government agencies trying to derail their efforts, to disclosing that they know where more gold is stashed – and this time they plan to get it.Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinCome Meet Tony:1. Smoky Mountain Bigfoot ConferenceTickets: https://bit.ly/3l1wZHR2. LIVE SHOW in Gatlinburg, TN!Tickets: https://bit.ly/3IC4IkxWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0Tony's Studio Equipment: linktr.ee/mystudiogearSPONSORSGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals60 Promo Code: "confessionals60" for 60% off plus free shipping!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: contact@theconfessionalspodcast.comSubscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: watchmanreadiness@gmail.comPhone: (214) 912-8714Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvet

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Starting point is 00:00:01 Merkel? Media. I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine? Out of a Dolion? Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves.
Starting point is 00:00:25 Time travel is possible. Merkel? Media We can talk The FBI didn't get all the gold attention. No! Yeah.
Starting point is 00:00:38 Hey, we can talk about this in part too if you want. Agent Archer on site said to me, Denny, you're staring up at that mile. What are you looking at? I said, there's another cave up here
Starting point is 00:00:49 with just as much cold. He goes, where is it? I said, Jake, you screw me on this one? You won't get the other one. And since the last three years, we've been keeping our mouth shut. Wow. Okay?
Starting point is 00:00:58 We plan on going back. the spray. Yeah. So this whole thing's going to happen again. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. It spears, Dan, holds him up like this.
Starting point is 00:01:46 Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Got closer, got closer, got spruces, got sparsing, when he got about 15 yards away from me. Feel something pulling at my leg, and I look over, and there are two small gray entities, and they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster.
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Starting point is 00:04:40 rating and review to help support your boy. So if you're interested in the men in black, if you're interested in things that I do outside the professionals, you might like, who saw the men of black because I was a narrator on that. So you'll recognize the voice, obviously. Now this week, we have Kim and Den coming on the show. They are our father-son duo, treasure hunting duo, and I'm really excited about talking to them about their treasure hunting journey
Starting point is 00:05:04 because I've been aware of their story for quite some time. I'm finally talking to them, but their story is one for the ages because they located a lost old treasure from the Civil War, and they actually went through the proper channels to try uncovering this treasure. I'm talking mountains of gold. And the way they found the lost treasure was very interesting. It has a paranormal angle to it. And then we have the conspiratorial angle because there's a big cover-up because somebody stole the freaking gold.
Starting point is 00:05:34 And I'm going to let these guys tell you all about it right now. All right. Today we got a great show plan for everybody. We have Kim and Dennis coming here from Finders Keepers USA. How are you guys doing? Hey, pretty good. Doing good. Guys, listen, we just got done talking a little bit here.
Starting point is 00:06:09 and I'm really having a hard time containing my excitement because like I told you guys, treasure hunting is something that I have been very fascinated with from a very young age. And it's just something that I've recently started to get back into as far as like just reading about different lost treasures, legends and things like that. And you guys are legit, 100% real deal treasure hunters. And this is a generational thing because, Kim, you're Dennis' son. And Dennis, you've been doing this for a long time. And you guys are the focal point in my mind of a real deal lost treasure that was found. And there's a conspiracy right now going on about it.
Starting point is 00:06:56 And dare I say, a cover up of what's going on. And so when I, when I stoned across your stuff, guys, I had to have you on. And I'm so excited you're here. And so what we're going to do is I want to want to just start off from the beginning of this, the, the, the legend of the gold at Dent's Run. How did it get there? Why was it there? What was going on? And then we'll transition into Dennis and how you got involved in looking for this and how you found Dent's run. Because there's a real paranormal angle with that. And I think the audience is going to be very interested in. And then we'll fast forward to Kemp and how he kind of revived the search for this and how the FBI got involved and all that stuff. So if you guys,
Starting point is 00:07:39 I don't care who wants to go, if it's Dennis or whatever, but what is the legend of this lost gold and why did you even think it existed? What was it? Back in 1860, 63? 1860s, yeah. Well, the magazine came out in 1974. And it was the first public publishing that talked about this gold shipment. Nobody's found anything before that. But I guess the wagon train of gold was down in Virginia. It came by train from California to Virginia. The war of Gettysburg. Gettysburg was about to happen.
Starting point is 00:08:27 And instead of going straight across Pennsylvania to the Philadelphia Mint, they decided to do it on a wagon train and go up north, come down through Pennsylvania to Gettysburg or to Philadelphia. It's just a big enough arch through Pennsylvania to avoid the Battle Gettysburg breaking out. And it just disappeared, hijacked. They didn't know what happened to it. You know, the story was after they left St. Mary's, it was two wagons with false bottoms, 26 bars of gold in each wagon.
Starting point is 00:08:56 So that's 52 bars of gold. None of the soldiers knew about the gold except for the lieutenant, Castleton. And at the time, they had a civilian guide with them known as Connors, and all the reports that's always ever known as. And around St. Mary's, Castleton got sick, and he started talking, and he knew he wasn't going to make the trip the whole way through, and he started telling everybody the soldiers about the goal,
Starting point is 00:09:24 and the wagon train has to make it. And after that, after the left St. Mary's, they were never seen from again until Conners. Yeah, Conners took over the travel arrangements, but Conners couldn't read or write, and that was a big problem. So he got lost up there in the mountains. He couldn't follow maps.
Starting point is 00:09:43 And it's an interesting story. It really is. But yeah, they never got found. Nobody. Well, a few weeks later, Connor staggered into Lock Haven. Yeah. And claimed that they were all ambushed and the gold was stolen and it was all just gone, taken off. And nobody ever found the gold.
Starting point is 00:10:03 There were Pinkerton soldiers. Agents. Pinkerton agents that were sent out. this guy says lumberjacks and prospectors and hunters and stuff to look for the gold. And it was documented they found half a bar here or half a bar there, but they never actually found all the gold bars. Connors was sent out west to an Indian reservation. The reason they brought in the Pinkerton, Lincoln brought to Pinkerton is because
Starting point is 00:10:31 they didn't believe the story about Connors saying that the copperheads, which was a southern group of people hijacked them. The reason being there was 130 to 160 people that lived in Denshra. And if you're in that mountain area, you can hear a mosquito fort 10 feet away. I mean, that is so quiet up there. If you had two wagon loads with 13 soldiers and they had guns, and you're being ambushed by the copperheads, you're looking another 13 guns. You're looking at 26 rifles being shot off. Yet nobody heard anything. There was no sound.
Starting point is 00:11:11 So if there was no sound, there could have been any hijacking as Connors has talked about. But since the bars were cut up and certain things happened, they figured he hit it somewhere. They kept him in the army for the rest of his life until he died. But now when he was out at the Indian Reservation out west, every time he got drunk, he used to brag. He knew where the gold was buried. He knew where the gold was buried. Yuma, Arizona, they shipped him to out there, and he died at 1883, I think it was. He was buried there at the fort in Yuma. Then they shipped all the dead soldiers, bodies over to the Golden Gate Bridge. And he's underneath it now.
Starting point is 00:11:47 Wow. Wow. So this legend of the gold, I just let people know if they haven't connected the dots yet. I would call you a local treasure hunters to me. You're in Pennsylvania on the other side of the state. but this is also why I'm very fascinated by the story, I think, because it is so close to me. But this is Civil War treasure that had to get to Philadelphia, or Civil War gold, that had to get to Philadelphia. So they arch up around Gettysburg, which means that they have to kind of go into like Northern PA, northern central PA to come back down in the Philly, just to avoid the war and the fight. And the gold gets lost. and you guys through, you know, just learning about the story, reading about it.
Starting point is 00:12:37 And I guess it sounds like other people came to the same conclusion that, you know, this was actually stashed gold. It wasn't, you know, stolen or anything like that. And so the hunt was on for where this stashing happened. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Lost my train of thought there. I was going with this.
Starting point is 00:12:59 But, you know, It was all kept wide. A lot of people don't know, but there was another gold shipment that went missing back then, and that's why Abraham Lincoln kept this all quiet. The nine tons, it's not just from one shipment. It's from many shipments. It's a depository, which a lot of people never understood. They said there's no way two wagons could have carried nine tons, and they think we're nuts.
Starting point is 00:13:26 But the FBI was the one that came up with nine tons, not us. But just many robberies in the Pennsylvania area. It's a cool series of stuff over a five-year period. Wow. Yeah, I mean, well, the 52 bars of gold dough from back then. Wasn't there a gold shipment? Well, it was a gold shipment to disappear. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:50 What happened right after he arrived in Lock Haven, President Lincoln sent out a letter to California, to the governor out there he's afraid that if wind got if the public caught wind we lost that much gold like they did with the Atosha
Starting point is 00:14:08 down there in the ocean years before the atosia sunk with so much gold almost bankrupt our country so they didn't want no more shipments going by ocean they want them to come by train but when he found out Lincoln found out that this shipment disappeared he had
Starting point is 00:14:24 to ask for the governor to assure a how much more tons of gold he could be depending on in the next year or two because of the battle with the south. And we got the letters coming back, how much the guarantees and the pledges were from the other gold mines, which was quite a bit. But there was a lot of gold being shipped through, and a lot of it didn't make it to the mint. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:49 So, yeah, that's why I was gone with that. That's why there's not a lot of documentation and why everything was kept quiet for over 100 years. Well, yeah, well, they erased everything. they don't want nobody to know about this because they don't want to bankrupt the country so they erased everything fast but the bad thing is here in clearfield there was the inquisition in the courthouse caught on fire so those papers are gone and uh ohio the pencerton chicago burnt and all their papers are gone so it seems like there was no with the with everybody trying to keep this thing hushed up there was no nobody could find out the truth uh but they weren't
Starting point is 00:15:27 looking at the right place. So in 1974, all you had was this magazine article that you were going off of. Yep. And so in 1974, you're reading up on this magazine article about this, trying to find out if it was a legit story, if there's any facts to it. I decided to go after the two Pinkerton guys. They stayed there their entire lives. And I'm sure all their paperwork and their files when they died in Benazette,
Starting point is 00:15:57 which is right next to the dense run, I figured their files had to go somewhere. I'm sure nobody just burned all these paperwork up. And I went to the archives, and I hired people to go into the archives in Harrisburg, and I got through those stories. And that's how I started my search. And that's what the FBI read all that paperwork,
Starting point is 00:16:19 and they went back and located each person I hired, and I worked with, and they backtracked that story to the very beginning. And that's why they ended up on that mountain, too. We found the actual truth that the story was true. Wow. So before we get into this magazine and everything that happened from there, are you saying that there's other legends then of lost treasure and PA from that time period
Starting point is 00:16:46 that have still yet to be found that you believe is actually out there? Yes. Wow. There's a lot more. A lot. Okay, we'll get to that to the end. There's a lot. Try to do this in a chronological order, so it makes sense.
Starting point is 00:17:01 When they were heading this direction, the confederate, you had banks take money out of town in Altoona places. Yeah, everybody was stashed and the gold in the ground, yep. Jeez. You know, I was literally thinking about moving out of Pennsylvania heading to Tennessee within the next year. So I might be sticking around. It might actually just move out to your area and hang out with you guys for a few years. raise my kids with some treasure hunters, real treasure hunters. Listen, all right.
Starting point is 00:17:29 So let's get back to this magazine article that you guys kind of hit on. So, Dennis, you were working and you and some of your friends, right, from what I understand, some of your friends were talking about this and kind of just brainstorming about where this treasure could be. And somebody came into the store that kind of helped you find it. Is that how this all worked? On the weekends, we'd go out with metal detector. There's simple metal detectors, nothing special.
Starting point is 00:17:55 Back in 1974, you didn't have much technology back. And we'll just go to broken down camps and just look for a nickel, dime quarters, you know, beaches, simple stuff. But I worked at WT Grants, which is more like a Walmart, and I was in the furniture department. And one of my guys, I bought a book, and it was a treasure hunting book. And on the front page, we have it downstairs. It showed this Lost World in Pennsylvania. Now up until this point, you weren't allowed to own gold from the World War II up until now. It was illegal because of, I don't know, it's a long story there.
Starting point is 00:18:33 But now I guess it was legal to own gold. And they said in there there was a 10% reward out for anybody that could find the Dents Run lost gold. And so we got into reading the story on it. And it was just sitting on the table a couple of days later, a psyche came into Dents Run. To WT grants. WT grants. And we were told to stay at our areas and sell furniture. And the, I didn't believe in psychics.
Starting point is 00:19:02 And I seen this guy off to the front of the store and he was up high. All the people were crowned around him. Using them as a promotional gig. Yeah, promotion. And he had several, many WT grants across the United States. He was on tour. And I didn't believe any of his stuff. Well, and he got on his lunch break, whatever there.
Starting point is 00:19:21 he came down and walked directly to our furniture department. And he sat right down at the table we had where we wrote up our cells. And there was like five or six salespeople around me. And I stood behind Mike and the other guys were in front of Mike. Mike now is his name, the psychic. And they were talking to him not about treasure hunting at first. It was just everything in general with his promotion. And Mike reached over and grabbed the magazine.
Starting point is 00:19:54 It was laying on the table and he was page and threw it. And my one friend, I can't think of his name either. But he says, have you ever tried to look up treasure hunts or anything like that? And he says, no, mostly lost people, lost objects. But he says, I'll try the treasure hunt. And he opened up the pages and he was speed reading right through the magazine because I'm behind, I can see all this going on. And I'm thinking, what a joke.
Starting point is 00:20:21 This is ridiculous. And then he shut the magazine and he tilted his head up a little bit. His voices were coming out of his mouth. And from what I recall, it's like three different voices of somebody talking. And I didn't realize it was the dead soldiers from the Denswant Gold Shipman at the time. I heard him saying they're hungry, they're starving or something like that. They're lost. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:20:47 I wish I could remember the whole conversation. Until this day, I wish I could. it. I wasn't paying up much attention. And then when he came out of this trance that everybody was looking at him, he came out of the trance, and he grabbed my Atlas. It was there, and he wanted an ink pen. And so I stood around to the front like everybody else. I'm watching this guy. And he comes down with an ink pen. He's looking up at this ceiling, and he comes down with this ink pen while he's looking up, and he hits the Atlas map, and he looks directly at me, and he goes, Denny. I don't know how I knew my name. He said, I want you to go to this site and do certain things.
Starting point is 00:21:26 So we all looked at where he hit the map and damn, it was dense run. And it was on the road right up on that hillside. And that scared the crap out of me that he could do something like that. And I watched him. His eyes were in the back of his head or, no, his eye on the back of his head. He was looking up at the ceiling. And then he came right down, looked right at my eyes and hit that thing. there was no faking that was if it was luck it was damn good luck
Starting point is 00:21:53 he told us what to do how to go up there and get some dirt samples and we did from different mountains not all at one location and I had a Corvette
Starting point is 00:22:04 69 Corvette and I went up this dirt road to the spot where he hit with the ink pen and me and Chris I think Chris Christophison was his name we got out of the vehicle
Starting point is 00:22:15 and we took our first dirt sample right there we called dirt number five, dirt sample five. And then we climbed up the mountain to the left on, almost died climbing up there, took a dirt sample at the top, came back down. Then we drove up the dirt road,
Starting point is 00:22:32 and there was clay trucks coming up and down. It was a construction site up ahead, a mining company. We get up there in the top, and it's all mud and stuff. We took two dirt samples up there, then we went around. And wherever you got them from,
Starting point is 00:22:48 you had to write one on the lid and put one on the map. Yeah, and two and two. So you know where each dirt simple came from. Now, when I got home, I decided to add three more to the list. He only told me to take five when I end up with eight. Took him out of my dad's garden. And these were in butter dishes, the blue bonnet butter dish with the white tops. All were blue.
Starting point is 00:23:08 And six, seven, eight. I don't know how I got that many blue butter dishes for that period of the time. I still still don't remember. But anyway, when I got the dirt, I called Mike, and he was up with W.T. Grants in St. Mary's. So me and Chris drove in the Corvette, drove up there to meet him. I stayed in the park lot. Chris went inside, brought him out. He came out, sit down on my vehicle. Then he grabbed my hand, and with his right hand, he grabbed my left hand.
Starting point is 00:23:42 So he was sitting on the passenger seat with his feet out on the ground. And the floorboard was to his left and you were standing here to his right. Yep. And that's where he grabbed. And he took his one hand and just waved it real quick over the floor board, the passenger's side floorboard. And he grabbed number six, seven, and eight, put them on the ground. He said, these have nothing to do with this. By them, my heart was beating fast.
Starting point is 00:24:04 But then he went back in the second time, did one quick swipe and he picked out number five. And he says, Denny, you're within 500 feet of the gold. And I'm like, this is crazy. He set that down, asked for a piece of paper. I gave a big sheet that I had. He drew a map real quick. Says, off to the left hand side where you stand, go back number five. And when you're standing there off to the left, you'll see a hole in the mountain.
Starting point is 00:24:32 And I go, what do you mean a hole? And he goes, there's a, there'll be a hole. He says, believe me, it'll be there in 12 degrees off to the right, down on the other mountain you're on. He says, there'll be a cave. He says the gold is in underwater. It's in a cave and there's snakes. He says, you find the cave and you call me. So two weeks later, we went up and looking around and we couldn't find it.
Starting point is 00:24:57 We couldn't find no cave. I found the hole. There was a clay mine up there and they had all these rocks piled up and I'll be dam. You could sit and see a big hole right through the top of the mountain. Two rocks are stacked or something. Yeah. But then maybe a couple weeks later, those rocks will probably knock down. something. I don't know. But how
Starting point is 00:25:15 he would know those would have been there. It was amazing. Everything he told us was happening, but we couldn't find the cave. So we looked to DC and R, talked to them about coal mines and all kind of stuff, and there was nothing in the area.
Starting point is 00:25:31 So I think we spent a couple weeks and gave up. You can't find the cave, I got mad. So I talked about this gold hunt, how the psychic was so perfect on everything he did. and how could he be so wrong on the cave opening? And it was about 30 years.
Starting point is 00:25:51 I kept 20-some years. I kept talking about it. My son was growing up. And one day out back, I own real estate, so I have runners. I was talking to one of my runners about the school shipment. And he goes, can you find your way back up there? I go, yeah, I can find a way up there. I haven't been there in 20, 30 years, but I'll never forget that place.
Starting point is 00:26:13 he says you want to go up this weekend i said yeah let's go off so we drove up there i parked right where the number five dirt sample was and uh he said no what i said we'd go up this road uh 500 feet and there's supposed to be a cave up here so we're walking up the road 500 feet and we come to the dry river bed and that's the only one coming off that mountain and that's that's a normal place where I always figured it had to be in for transportation up and down that mountain. But anyway, we get to that 500 foot mark. He goes, now what? I said, what is supposed to be a cave here?
Starting point is 00:26:54 There's two big rocks here. I want to check the upper one. He says, I'll check that one. I said, Scott, there's nothing down there. We've checked out 100 times. If there's anything, it has to be up here. And he said, well, how far? I said, no, he said 500 feet.
Starting point is 00:27:08 So we've got to be right close to. It has to be here someplace, Scott. He took off down to the big rock, down to the lower section, right next to the road. And he starts yelling at me. And he says, I found a cave. And I figured he's joking because I was up around how many times in the past. And he said, Denny, there's water coming out of the cave. And I go, no way, Scott.
Starting point is 00:27:31 Don't be doing this to me. Because I already climbed about 30, 40 feet up this embankment. I said, if I come down there He said, Danny, I'm telling you, you've got a cave. So I come down and I'll be damn there was a cave there. You know, it wasn't there 30 years before. And what we didn't know,
Starting point is 00:27:49 that was a in 1969, five years before I did this, the clay mines came in, but they took that trail, it was an Indian trail, the Snook's Trail, and they ran a bulldozer through there.
Starting point is 00:28:03 And they put the road in. And when they put the road in, they pushed the dirt over the entrance of the cave and they buried the entrance. So I'd go up three, four years after the road was put in, there's no cave. And it took 20, 30 years to slowly wash its way back out again. That's all it wants. Yeah. Or I would have had this back in the 1974, 75, I would have this, yeah. That's unbelievable. Unbelievable. It is. It just, you know, you think after 20-some years you'd give up and call quits, but just just kept nodging out draw me back and then that's when my life changed, you know, because then I realized the psychic,
Starting point is 00:28:42 his prediction was 100%. And can I get a hold of this guy after 30 years? You know, that's where another adventure started, you know? Wow. So, all right, I don't want to jump the gun, but are you saying you did find him again? Yes, we did. Unbelievable. You guys are blowing my mind right now. He's still with us. He's still working with us. He's still working with us and still making predictions to this day. 85 years old, yeah. Oh, my gosh. You guys, I'm so happy we're talking.
Starting point is 00:29:13 All right. So where do we go from here? I mean, so you find the cave after 30 years of, you know, talking about it, you know, telling Cam about this legend and you finally find the cave. Where do we go from here? Go ahead, go. Yeah. So, yeah, it's November 2004.
Starting point is 00:29:31 And they come back and they said he found this cave or okay. So he's like, I'm going back up. I'm going to take these dirt samples. So why? I'm going to see if I can find a psychic. Okay. So he goes back up. He gets some dirt samples.
Starting point is 00:29:44 He comes back. He took him just like he was told to back in the 70s. And he's like, you know, he goes, I remember back when that psychic came into WT grants, it was around April. He goes, when we went up there to get the dirt samples, it was the first day of fish, the first day of fishing season. He goes, I missed the first day. So we got on to the local newspaper. place here. Gets on the old real to real, you know, looking at the computer
Starting point is 00:30:10 monitor with the real to real newspaper clippings from back then. Finds the original article advertising him back in 1974 coming to W.T. Grants gets his name from there. Mike Malley. Gets on the old wonderful internet,
Starting point is 00:30:26 finds out that he was living in southern Pennsylvania, gets his phone number. Call this gentleman up. And he answers. What do you say? I said, is this Mike Melly? He goes, yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:41 And he goes, is this Danny Parada? No way. Yeah, I go, are you kidding me? Now, granted, he might have had caller ID, but what did he say? But the thing is, I says, is this Mike Malley? And he goes, yeah, he goes, is this Danny Prada? I go, you remember me? He goes, aren't you the want the white Corvette?
Starting point is 00:31:01 I'm like, wow, I haven't seen this guy in 30 years. I only met him twice in my entire life. W.T. Grants and W.T. Grants. Never talked to him in 30 years. And he came up. I mean, that just blew my mind. So then he says, what can I do for you? I said, Mike, I found the cave. He started laughing.
Starting point is 00:31:19 He said, it took you 30 years to find the cave. And he starts laughing. And my life changed after that. Yeah. He gave us some more predictions because I did some more dirt samples. And he said the cave was 32 feet long and go back 32 feet. You'll find a vertical shaft.
Starting point is 00:31:38 You'll see snakes in there, fall, the sparkles of gold. He's giving us a whole bunch of predictions. So we go back and me and Kim going there with our friend Scott Farrell. And we're laying in ice water is running down her back and we're slowly tunneling back. I mean, to give you a perspective on the cave,
Starting point is 00:31:59 it was only like two and a half feet of clearance from the ground to the, I mean, it's a border. and we're going back underneath this boulder. So there's only two and a half feet of clearance and about 25 feet width. Yeah. So we're just tunneling back and he said just go straight back, straight back. So we're in there. We're using an old turkey roasting pan.
Starting point is 00:32:19 You know, we have ropes tied to either end of it. Somebody's in there laying on their side digging with an army shovel, putting the dirt in the turkey pan. The guy outside's pulling the rope, pulls it out, dumps it. We pull it back in. You know, it was a tedious long process. But see, we were only,
Starting point is 00:32:36 when we got in there, it was only 15 feet to the back wall. Yes. And he said to go 32 feet back and it'd be a vertical shaft. And I said, there is no vertical shaft. I mean,
Starting point is 00:32:47 there's no air blowing through this place. How could it be a... So these guys were getting pissed off. And I was laying on my back. They're getting ready to quit for good. I'm laying on my back. I have candles or flashlights.
Starting point is 00:33:00 Water's running down my back, ice water. And it's in Christmas time winter. And I'm looking up the ceiling and I see the charcoal, the moss on the ceiling was burnt crispy. It was charcoal. Just burnt. And then I realized the smoke went, the flames like went to the back of the cave. So I'm yelling that the guys, get in here, get in here.
Starting point is 00:33:22 So they came in, they said, oh, be damn, somebody had a torch in here and they burnt the ceiling. There were shizzle marks in this roof too. So you can see where they had a, uh, the, um, the, end of the torch went into the ceiling. But the thing is, the smoke went to the back of the cave. Now, how can that happen? So I let a fire in the smoke filled up in the cave, and we go choking out. Kim goes back to the back part, the 15-foot mark, and he yells,
Starting point is 00:33:49 Dad, there's another burn mark back here. So I crawl back around, I look, I go, I'll be down. Now, that was the high point. The cave has like a hump in the middle, where the water is always running. And that's where these burn marks were uptight. And I said, well, how can the smoke go to the back of the cave? So Kim starts digging on the back of the cave. Tell them what you find?
Starting point is 00:34:12 No, just digging in the back wall there. And eventually, start to uncover a man-made wall. Flat rocks stacked up and the whole length of the whole width of the caves. Unbelievable. We pulled the wall down and there was another room behind that wall. Wow. Well, Kim is digging into this dirt. Topsoil.
Starting point is 00:34:31 topsoil because he sees another room back there and these porcupines were going in and out, you know, but he sees another room and he says, Dad, there's a room here, and he's digging with his hands and we'll tell him what you find. Oh, there. Yeah, digging through this. I mean, it was real soft dirt. I mean, it wasn't like clay or anything. I mean, this was, it was put there, you know, recently within the last hundred some years. And I'm digging, pulling all this dirt out, and there's earthworms. I'm finding earthworms inside this. Night bulbs. Night crawlers, big ones. And I looked at him, I said, oh, my God, snakes, baby snakes.
Starting point is 00:35:07 The psychic said baby snakes will lead it to the gold. This was in December, we're finding night crawlers in the middle of a cave with ice. This is absolutely crazy. So, when we've got that far, the psychic part of his prediction, light a candle, stick it in room number two, and the sparkles of gold will lead it to the gold. So this was the same time we're doing all this. He puts his candle in there. The back wall, about two feet wide, the whole way up and down, it lit up like sparkles of gold.
Starting point is 00:35:37 We're yelling and screaming. I mean, everybody's running in there. And then we find out its big water droplets of water. But it's only right in one section. It's no other place. And he said the sparkles of gold will lead you to the gold. He didn't say the gold will lead you to it. It was sparkles.
Starting point is 00:35:56 So we had to work our way back to that next wall. And guess what? We found another man-made wall. It took us a year or two to get all that clay out, your erosion and stuff. We found more burn marks on the ceilings. When we got to the second wall and started knocking it down, we found the vertical shaft.
Starting point is 00:36:17 Where all the smoke in the air used to go up years ago, a hundred and some years ago. When I realized that the psychic predicted 32 feet back, there would be a vertical shaft big enough for a human to climb through, and we found it. Jesus. I mean, my life had changed at that point. This guy was perfect. Absolutely. You guys are taking me down an emotional roller coaster right now. This is amazing. You'd have to live the story that we live. I mean, there's a lot we're forgetting behind all this, but that's an absolutely amazing story.
Starting point is 00:36:50 How somebody can, well, supposedly he connects with the debt. He's not as psychic as much as he is a performer. Performer. He prefers the term performer. Yeah, it's something he doesn't go into. He gets this thing happens to him. And he doesn't like to see predict people's death and stuff like that. He's predicted some people's death. I won't get into all that stuff right now. And it's nothing he really wanted to do.
Starting point is 00:37:22 But when the gold, we asked him about the gold in Denton, this energy came to him. and he figured he'd go along with it because it's not predicting somebody's death or nothing. And that's any reason he got into this. And he figured since I didn't call him after 30 years, that his abilities to find treasure and communicate that way didn't work. Wow. So he never did anymore.
Starting point is 00:37:48 So he never did it anymore. Until we looked them up again. Then that's when he started getting interested. And we did a couple more treasure hunts like that. And it's just mind-blowing. The guy, what he did is just mind-blown. A treasure hunt for us, two weeks. We find the location.
Starting point is 00:38:04 We had confirmed what we're looking for. And then we started another one two weeks, then we're there. I mean, it was easy. Yeah. We got a bunch of them. That's incredible. So, I mean, so you're working with him today, which is amazing to me. I think that's amazing.
Starting point is 00:38:19 I didn't know that this guy was still part of the picture. And he's helping you find these locations. So you're saying that you've been finding other lost treasures and stuff, and he's been aiding in that search? Some of them, not all. He quit after a certain time. Because he felt like he'd, since there's no gold coming out of these sites, no treasures,
Starting point is 00:38:45 he don't want me to, how can I say? A lot of them are on state game lands, so we're prohibited from digging. So that's why there's nothing coming up out of them is because, We're kind of stuck. He was afraid somebody'd get bit by round snake. Somebody would die on one of these adventures or that's my 30-year quest, I'd go financially broke.
Starting point is 00:39:06 He says, Denny, until I see money coming out of the ground and my hunts are real, I don't want to do any more of these because I'm afraid somebody's going to get hurt. And I agreed with them. So we moved on with some other psychics and we're up in Canada. I mean, it's amazing what we do. If it works, it works, you know? It works. how it worked, but you know, people say, I don't know how a psychic works, but I don't know how a cell phone
Starting point is 00:39:30 works. And I use it in a microwave, so it works, you know, what the heck? Yeah, if it ain't broken, don't fix it. That's, that's amazing. So, all right, does he know, I mean, have you, do you still talk to him? I mean, does he know about the next part of this story or I don't know if it's the next part? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, does that inspire him at all to say, okay, let's, do it. I mean, there's money that came out of the ground. It's just it was stolen from you in a Well, we'll get to that. But no, I mean, yeah, the whole point was look for gold and to prove the psychic was a fake. And it's all true.
Starting point is 00:40:09 I mean, if this guy can actually communicate, he had to communicate with somebody. He's 100% correct on the dense one thing. I don't know how he's doing it. Nobody could be in that cave who was sealed up to two rooms with all that dirt. and the walls, how could he know there was a 35 foot shaft back there and stuff? It was amazing. But anyways, we keep working and going our way back here. We get to an area of the cave 35 feet back where it's dangerous now. We're not under a solid stone. It's we're beyond the border. We're beyond where the road is and now it's caving in and it's dangerous. So what we didn't know was
Starting point is 00:40:49 when that bulldozer came through in 1969 or 69 they actually caved in. The bulldozer fell into the cave and collapsed and they pulled it out and they backfilled the area. Had they seen the gold, they would have grabbed all
Starting point is 00:41:05 the gold in 1969, but somehow the back the bulldozer fell in. They backfilled. So now we're in that area and it's too dangerous. We put up a lot of iron braces. We go back another 10, 12 feet. underground and I decided to call quits. It's too dangerous. We see this gray clay going straight
Starting point is 00:41:28 back. We see this black, uh, the rocks bleeding out of the clay and we've taken samples and when they said the, uh, sent them up to the Mahaffey Labs. They said it was pig iron bleeding out of the ground. And I go pig iron. They go, that's changing the clay from tan to a gray and the rocks are being turned black. You have pig iron. So I called the state up DC and R because we're working with them. And Ted Bereski told me, if you got a black streak, it's pig iron. That's before the Civil War. If it's reddish, you got iron steel and that would be red rust. He says, then you got something in there that's old. I said, well, I'm done working in that cave. Somebody's going to die. I'm shutting it down. So they actually came
Starting point is 00:42:19 to the site DCNR and took us up above and so why don't you drill down into the cave? They showed us how to do the drilling. Wow. So we did that for two years. We're only allowed to use a certain diameter. That was a three quarter inch masonry bit. Very small. Now you're trying to drill down 20 feet or not 20 feet, but 15, 12, 15 feet, the slightest angle
Starting point is 00:42:43 would throw you off, you know, from your target. So it took forever. I would like to go back, though, and say, all this time of trying to prove that this gold shipment happened, you're calling the Smithsonian National Archives, all this other stuff, and everybody, what were they saying? You know, the National Archives of Washington, when I called them, the lady answered. And I said to her, I says, I'm calling about this gold shipment, lost gold shipment in Dent, Toronto, in Pennsylvania. She goes, sir, hold on. There's somebody here that knows more about that.
Starting point is 00:43:18 And I never got the guy's name. I feel the state, I wish they remembered that. He comes on, he goes, I asked him what I told him what I wanted. He goes, the official word, we are to tell you treasure hunters, is that it never happened. There's no lost gold. Don't waste your time. And I go, okay, I said, well, thank you, sir, thank you. He goes, good luck.
Starting point is 00:43:39 I hope you find it. I go, whoa, whoa, wait a second. What are you saying? Good luck. I hope you find it. He says, you're not listening to me. The official word we are to tell you guys, it never happened. And it doesn't exist and don't waste your time.
Starting point is 00:43:54 I go, I got you, buddy, thank you. Till this day, I wish I know who he was. And it's things like that. We keep hearing that it's a cover up. We keep hearing more and more, they're staring people away. Files are being destroyed and stuff like that. And that made me want to push more into this year. Yes.
Starting point is 00:44:12 so so yes so we're talking we're opening us at DC and I think because it is on state gameland and it's illegal to dig on state game land but you know through the powerful loopholes you know we were able to drill down from the top the agreement was you know nothing bigger than a three quarter inch drill bit so that way we couldn't actually reach down and steal the gold or anything they want us to drill down uh open up the void or hit the gold or something you know you snake cameras got to prove that it was there. We weren't allowed to use commercial grade equipment.
Starting point is 00:44:49 It all had to be just basic stuff that you can buy at Lowe's, hammer drills, generators, stuff like that. We would go into Lowe's, we would get these Mason bits, and then we would take them to the local fabrication shop here, T&D Fabricating here in Clearfield. They would custom-make shafts and weld these bits on them. So we had 15-foot shafts. Oh, yeah, we have from four foot to six foot to eight foot to ten foot to twelve foot every two foot.
Starting point is 00:45:19 We had so many drill. I had thousands of dollars worth of drill bits made. When you start off with the three foot bit, then you draw down three feet. Then you switch it over to a five foot and then go down two more. Then you keep switching to a bigger one. But then we had to switch from that to core bits to iron bits. Oh, geez, we had so many bits. we had thousands of dollars worth of equipment in that hillside buried under leaves for years yeah oh yeah we would leave our generators up there states down to the ground you know uh chains locks you know stuff up there we'd had drill bits camouflage you know we left it all there we had trail cameras up
Starting point is 00:45:57 DC and we'd come by and see what we're doing they're fully aware they're the ones that taught us to do it but there came to a point where i i kept telling them i know where the silver's out i've been drawn right around the over, but I don't want to go over to the gold area and drill into it. Now you said that, though, we were kind of confused on the silver readings. You know, at this point, we were bringing up regular bounty hunter-mealy detectors. We, you know, purchased a long, a ground penetrating locator, GPL for short. We have the Trombisky brothers from Philadelphia that we're working with us. They had long-range locators. We've, we hired ground radar, you know, multiple different pieces of treasure hunting,
Starting point is 00:46:37 treasure detecting equipment that we had there over the course of 10, 12 years and everything pinpointed gold and silver in these locations, which threw us off because, like, what's this silver reading? There's just supposed to be gold here. Yeah, but we were tracking down the blackbeard silver, seven and a half tons, but we know it made it from Renova up to Emporium, and then it disappeared in Emporium, but Emporium was a straight shot. It was like 11 miles to Dentron. through the straight shot through the woods and I figured
Starting point is 00:47:10 both sites were Indians and I thought the Indians brought all this silver into Dentron and who knows? I don't know. I figured seven and a half tons because there's Indian skeletons in Dens Run Cave and all kind of stuff. Anyway, I'm drawn down one day. I don't want to draw into the gold
Starting point is 00:47:28 because it's a million dollars of historical each bar is a million dollars and I drill down with the masonry bit and I come up and it's got all gold coatings on the tip of it. And I'm like, wow, so I called the state. They came up. They said, I could have faked it.
Starting point is 00:47:45 I go, what? They go, Denny, you could have faked this, somehow put the gold on this drill bit. We want to see a chunk of gold come out of the ground. And if you fake that, we keep the gold. I said, well, you have to let me use a core bit. He goes, you can go two and a half inches. I go, okay, you got it. I said, I'm going to shut down for a couple of a week.
Starting point is 00:48:06 to get these core bits made up, and then we'll be back on the project. I went back three days later to get some tools, and somebody was tearing up our site. And I got pissed. And from the distance, I called the state police and everything. Didn't know who it was, and here was DC and R. Okay, everybody, let's take a second and talk about our sponsor for today's show, which is Hello Fresh. Friends, I love them.
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Starting point is 00:51:15 Now, as far as the whole DCNR statement, we don't know if it was, the agency or if it was a few rogue employees that had this information that went and did it. But I had the head agent for DCNR and I had Ted Beresky, the mineral guy out of Harrisburg on site, showed them exactly where I hit the gold with my drill bit. Then I showed them my hidden cameras, which they were three feet away.
Starting point is 00:51:40 They still couldn't see these hidden cameras. I had three of them there. When I went back later, all my cameras were missing. They were there for years. Nobody could find him. Here I show them to DCNR, and three days later, my cameras are missing, and somebody dug right where I showed DCNR that there was this hole in the ground. The guy down below, the landowner told me he believed it was employees of DCNR.
Starting point is 00:52:06 And everything points to them 100%. So we've been in like a small court battle for one. Then they threw us off the site. That's whenever they requested us or they ordered us vacate the premises and we weren't allowed to do any more work there. But after that, there's two more times DC and R came up and they took some of our equipment. We had stuff missing at times and my cameras caught them, actually pulled my equipment off the site and then they denied it. And then I'd show to the attorneys and the state police and they're
Starting point is 00:52:36 like, this is ridiculous. I mean, they're carrying your stuff right off the mountain and I never got it back. Yeah. So you don't do that to the gas well workers or anything. Yeah. So let me ask you a question real quick before we go any further. What is your thoughts as to why they are messing with you like this? I mean, is it just simply that they don't want people finding this treasure that's outside of the government? Or is there something maybe more sinister? I mean, you guys have had time to think about this. Why do you think that they are, because I mean, they didn't pull it all out of the ground like the FBI did. I'm not trying to spoil the story here. But they, why are they mess? Why are they mess? with you? Because they screwed up. The laws have never changed in Pennsylvania. There is no treasure hunting law. It dates back to 1860s. The treasure hunting law then is called finders keepers. The finder gets half, the landowner gets half. That's what still stands for in Pennsylvania right now. They still haven't changed it. Either the finder gets half or the person that was taken from a bank or something,
Starting point is 00:53:45 they get the other half, and then the landowner gets nothing. It's a three-way shot there. Now, up until we found the gold, that was the standard law. We didn't sign any contracts or any agreements with the state. So we fall under finders, keepers law. Now, if we do find the gold,
Starting point is 00:54:04 and there was 26 bars, we thought then, half of what would belong to us, and the state could see the other half. But if they could get us out of the pitcher, they get to keep it all. Makes sense. Now, somebody did some diggings at the site. Remember I told you I seen people digging when I went back three days later. I saw them digging one hole, but we found out later there was three more holes dug on that road.
Starting point is 00:54:37 Somebody put metal objects down in the road. piles of metal in a straight line. I didn't know this until the FBI came up. But somebody did that to throw all my gold readings off that if I'd go back with the news people,
Starting point is 00:54:53 it would be iron, iron, iron, iron, iron. Make me look like an idiot. I've been there for 13 years. I never had an iron reading anywhere in 13 years. When I went back after that, I blamed DC and R for what they did, I had iron readings, iron readings,
Starting point is 00:55:10 our readings after that. Yeah. So I... Now, I know DC and R and everybody says, you know, about the digging permits. We tried to get bonds and digging permits. Yeah, they gave us a bond, especially for us, we could not get bonded.
Starting point is 00:55:26 We tried everything, and they would make the correction. There was no time limit to the end of the bond. They could keep the money for indefinitely. And if a bond company put up a half million dollars, they could hold it for 10, 20, 30 years. There was no time. them on the end and they wouldn't put one there normally when you're done with the project within so many months the state signs off and okay you know and then you the bond is released they wouldn't
Starting point is 00:55:52 do that in this case so they gave me a bond i still have and i could not get nobody to bond it for us so uh so we tried everything yeah legally to what we could do and nothing and then we were told to vacate the property. We vacated and we were kind of a standstill. And in those years, we ventured up to Nova Scotia and branched out to other portions of the country. We had 30 days to vacate after I accused the DC&R and all that stuff, were drilling and digging up our site. So in that 30 days, I already had the cord bits made up. And I told the attorney, I'm going to do everything I can in 30 days before I walk off here to hit that damn stuff. And we drill down, we got our drill bits stuck into a metal object.
Starting point is 00:56:39 Then we drilled off to the left of it, and we hit cast iron three times. And the drill bit was in six inch steps in the three different holes. And we believe there were cast iron containers. We couldn't drill through them, but we could take a steel bar and a sledgehammer. And on three hits, one, two, three, that bar would drop down six inches. then we went to the other hole hit it three times and that bar went down three inches so we know we broke through
Starting point is 00:57:09 some kind of a cast iron container three of those and then when we got to the gold we got the drill bit stuck it took us two and a half days to get it out of the damn thing we have a full video of all this stuff we have videotaped
Starting point is 00:57:24 all the went on in the cave everything went outside the cave we have DC and R footage of DC&R many times we have everything videotaped We have many cameras running for 13 years up there. We got everything. But, yeah, we actually got thrown off at the end,
Starting point is 00:57:44 and then everything got quiet through the courts and stuff. And then we went to the FBI after about three years, I think it was. No. It was a longer now. Yeah, it was longer. We decided to get to hell out of the United States and go to Canada, and we started up there and did TV shows for History Channel and stuff. And then things drifted back this way.
Starting point is 00:58:05 Yeah. And then one day out of the blue, gentleman named Warren Gettler gets in touch with us and says, hey, I'm this author with Bob Brewer about Rebel Gold. He goes, I read up on your battle with DCNR and, you know, Dents Run.
Starting point is 00:58:24 He goes, I think what your site is is a KGC, Knight to the Golden Circle, cache treasure trove. and we're like, what are you talking about? Like, we didn't know anything about the KGC. Wow. And he explains that the KGC, the Knights of the Going Circle, were Southern sympathizers who would like the South would rise again kind of thing
Starting point is 00:58:43 and that they did operate here in the north and that what they did, I mean, there's TV shows out there about them where they, you know, Jesse James was a member, he was a famous outlaw, he did all these robberies, bankrupted, you never had any money. And you believe that he took all those lootings and robberies and stuff and hit him all over the north here. And Booth. He won the assassinated Kennedy.
Starting point is 00:59:06 Lincoln, yeah. He was in on stuff like that. And that John Wilkes Booth was a member of the KGC. That's why he was ordered to assassinate Abraham Lincoln. But there's a lot more members to this organization. But he goes, I think that your dense friend's site is a treasure trope, one of their hiding spots. And we started thinking about it. Well, that might be right.
Starting point is 00:59:29 Maybe that's where the silver came from too. and he says, Mr. Gettler says, what would it take to get you back on this property on the land and to get this done? We're like, well, the only thing that we can do is override the state, go to the federal government. It's supposed to be federal property. Get them to override the state and get us back on there. And he says, all right, he goes, I'm going to get you in a meeting with the FBI.
Starting point is 00:59:56 We laugh. We've tried. We've tried. We just keep getting, you know, laugh at it. It's kind of like in the movie National Treasure. Yes. When Nicholas Cage and then they go and try to prove that they found this treasure and everything, and they laugh and say, oh, did you find Bigfoot too?
Starting point is 01:00:11 You know, it's kind of like, you know, we were laughed at for years. So we're like, all right, buddy, you know, thinking this guy's a few bricks shy of a load. You know, we get people I got contacting this all the time. And he calls back within 24, 48 hours and says, I got you in a meeting next week with the FBI down in Philadelphia. We're like, no way. He goes, no. We're like, this guy's got connections or something.
Starting point is 01:00:38 He's well known. So we make this arrangement to drive down to Philadelphia. It's January 26, 2018. And we drive down there. We meet Mr. Gettler on a street corner. And we go inside this restaurant, and we're talking with them and everything. We're, you know, just... Just mention introductions and getting know each other more and learning more about him and everything.
Starting point is 01:01:05 So then we could go across the street and go to the FBI headquarters. And that was quite an experience. I never thought I'd be an FBI headquarter. They had steel doors. They hit the fingers on these still doors and they opened up. I mean, we were in high security. Wow. It was amazing.
Starting point is 01:01:21 Yeah, we were scanned and everything. It was, you know, it was big. So there's Warren Gettler, my dad and me sitting there. the table and across the table from us with three other agents what was the name yeah go ahead sure well they already
Starting point is 01:01:41 well we already know it was Jake Jake Archer and Katie Newton and Sarah Codone and we told them pretty much everything we just told you right up until now you know we presented them with all the pictures and videos and everything we had not everything
Starting point is 01:01:57 but you know the needed to know stuff presented them with some of the articles that you obtained. And it just blew their mind because there were documents that they didn't even know existed. And they're asking, how did you get this? And... Your answer was, I'm better than you.
Starting point is 01:02:17 Well, he says, Danny, what makes you think the gold is really there? I said, when the governor's office in Pennsylvania thinks it's there and some other government officials in DC and R thinks it's there. He goes, what are you talking about? And I slid him something.
Starting point is 01:02:38 I can't really talk about right here, but I slid him some proof. Let's put it this way. There are people in the government that wanted a percentage of the gold, and we were okay to dig after that. Enough said. Enough said, yeah. There are people and sent us emails over the years telling us just go ahead and dig. If you need help, let us know they were other government people. We had a lot of offers, illegal offers.
Starting point is 01:03:10 And we don't know if we were being played for, like somebody wanted to burn us, get us in trouble. And we're being set up. So our lawyer kept saying, no, don't do this, don't do that, turn down all the offers. but we recorded and videotaped everything. So we submitted everything we had. Give it to them. Right there on the table when we're there. Submitted everything we had to them.
Starting point is 01:03:37 And they said, all right, we'll look over everything. And it will be months before you hear from us. Like, all right, we figured, thank you for your time. So we get back in the car and we drive back home. Then 24 hours, Agent Archer was calling, requesting to know exactly where the site's at. He wanted to know latitude, longed to, wanted to know all this stuff. So we get the information to him.
Starting point is 01:04:10 He says, thank you, goes, I'll be in touch. Calls back next day, says, me and a crew of agents, about 12 of us were coming up. We want you to take us to this site. All right, this was two weeks later since our meeting and death. There's snow all over the place. That's a hell of a mountain to climb. It's freezing out there and they want us to take them up or so we do.
Starting point is 01:04:31 So it was about Valentine's Day, give or take a day or two, you know, around early February. We go, we meet them. Me, my dad, Warren Gettler came up. We meet these agents. We were told no finders keepers' logos, nothing, no media, nothing. This is all off the record, hush, hush. D.C. N.O. doesn't even know. We were disguised.
Starting point is 01:04:54 as skiers and trail people. That's all these. DCNR is not supposed to know anything. Wow. Okay, we went up for a couple of times and they didn't know nothing. So we went up there with these agents and we're sitting there and we used our GPL, the ground pang train locator. There were copper pins that we used.
Starting point is 01:05:11 What the GPL is, you hammer these pins into the ground, you run these wires to them, use gator clips to hook to them. They plug into the machine and it uses low-vorge electricity. So you have a grid four pins set up. And on the machine, you can turn it down. You can shoot electricity from pins one to two and two to three and three to four. It sends electricity out, goes down the pin, goes through the ground, comes up the other pin and comes back to the machine. And it can tell you what's between those two pins, inner ground, water, cave, gold, silver, copper, a whole bunch of stuff.
Starting point is 01:05:46 And we had these pins that were hammered in the ground that we left there from when we vacated the premises. So we take the machine up there, hook up to these pins, hit the button, got gold readings right off the bat. Everybody's screaming. Everybody's happy. They're taking pictures. We moved to caught. We moved to other pins that we had left there in the ground, hooked up to them, got more gold readings. Took the machine, moved it a couple hundred yards away, set it up with some other pins, got inert ground. You know, showing that our machine was calibrated properly and it was working. So they go back and they said, all right, we're going to take this information back to headquarters and stuff. It's going to be weeks or months before you hear from us. All right, same thing.
Starting point is 01:06:34 So we're sitting around, we're waiting. Two days later, they call back and says, hey, we're getting a team to come in, use their equipment at that site. Oh, okay. They said, we'll be there two weeks. But before the two-week period, we are being hit air. Every question there is, me and Warren Gettler and Kemmel, they wanted to know everything, everything we had, all my drawing records. They wanted to know everything about the KGC from Warren Gettler. They just, every day was just, we're just sending them information, information.
Starting point is 01:07:07 They're doing a lot of research on this until the two weeks. Then go ahead. So they come up, and that's when they rent, contracted out with Envirass scan. And Envirass scan was came up. It was just me and my dad, Warren Gettler wasn't there on this trip. Agent Archer wasn't there, some other agents. And they used this gravimeter. And it was just a square box, well, about like almost a foot and a half tall and about 12 by 12.
Starting point is 01:07:35 Yeah. So I don't know much about this machine. I guess the Army uses it to locate underground mines and all sorts of stuff. From the 1960s, Vietnam they've used this thing. So it's been well used by the Army for many years. and it's supposed to get down to the Earth's core and all like it's a real high check yeah so anyway
Starting point is 01:07:56 we get up there we showed them where the area was they used these little surveying flags and they made a row of them probably about 25 in a row and about 15 rows so that was a lot of surveying flags they take this machine that sits on this base unit nobody is allowed to touch it for five minutes
Starting point is 01:08:14 I don't know if it's linking up with satellites or what it does is about beyond my pay green they took the machine They put it beside flag number one. Let it sit for five minutes. Pick it up, take it back to the base unit. Set it down. Five minutes.
Starting point is 01:08:28 Pick it up, take it to the next flag. Five minutes. Back and forth, it took eight hours to do those rows. It was forever, and it was slightly raining that day, too. It was a 35 by a 12-foot area. Wow. 35 by 12 feet. So they do all that.
Starting point is 01:08:45 This is on a Friday. And, you know, they pack up all their stuff. off and they leave. Agent Archer calls you and says, you know, they're going to put their stuff into the computer. They're going to get the readings when they get the readings back to the FBI. Monday, they'll call us and let us
Starting point is 01:09:01 now. We're like, all right. So Monday comes around and he calls. I wasn't on the phone call. Yeah, I mean, Warren were there when he called. And Warren was screaming because Jake Archer says the gravometer come back. And Danny, what did you ask? What did you recommend?
Starting point is 01:09:19 I said there was two and a half tons of gold, 252 bars. He goes, no, there's over nine tons. Seven to nine tons is what the report came back. Oh, my gosh. 99% positive rating. And Warren's screaming at the top of his lungs. Then Warren comes back and he goes, what was the percentage, whatever the, the calipers, whatever. I guess most of your metals in the ground are from one to 10, and lead in all that
Starting point is 01:09:49 kind of stuff. And he says, what did you guys get? He goes, 18. There's nothing on this planet other than gold that reads 18 and it all came back is 18. 18 to 19. So it's pure gold relativity. So he says, right now you're looking at seven to nine tons of pure gold. And I go, what about the silver off to the left? Is that just one spot? He goes, that's one spot. But then he says, Denny, you miss something. I go what? He goes, there's two more piles of metal off to the right. I go, no, no, no, no. I've been there for 13 years. This is what I believe the E.C.N.R. Somebody planted in the road to mess up all these damn readings. So I said to him, I said, where the silver's out? What are you getting?
Starting point is 01:10:34 He goes, iron. I go, no, no, don't tell me that because I've been drilling that for years. That's silver. I says, then the silver is underneath the iron. Somebody put iron here. Somebody put iron here. iron there and there. So that's when the FBI was coming in. They made a statement after the first day of digging. There's an ongoing investigation. They had to check out what was put in the ground recently to mess up my readings and who did it. Was it the state? Did they get any money? That's what all this was all about. And they asked us to keep quiet. But go ahead, I'm sorry. No, no, you're doing fine. I'm just getting my mouth shut. So, you know, they confirmed that they were able, you know, Agent Arch confirmed that they were able to get a warrant signed to come in and override the state. He said, you guys are going to be said this is an FBI operation. You guys will be allowed to be there as a guest. Do not bring anything that says finders keepers. Don't wear anything finders keepers.
Starting point is 01:11:41 This is not a finders keepers treasure hunt. This is a FBI operation. Understood. Understood. You know, like you said, we want to be there. It's our 15 years of hard work. We just want the recognition for it. We just want to see what comes out of the ground.
Starting point is 01:11:55 We want to make sure it goes to where it belongs and that it's not going to be stolen. That's all right. And so they, you know, want us put all these trail cameras up. You mean, you go, you know, we want you up here checking that site every day. Like they were, you know, very, very. persisting on us securing that site and making sure nobody was going to go in there and dig. I mean, it sat there for all these years. Now, all of a sudden, they're jumping a gun and want things done.
Starting point is 01:12:24 When it was two and a half tons, no major. It's only 12, you know, FBI and a backhoe was supposed to do this. Then they could, the virus scans and over nine tons of gold, now everybody's going nuts. Now they want Kim and us to go every day, check the site, put all these extra cameras up. I mean, they're going nuts. Actually, I just want to say one thing before you continue for the audience listening, because I don't know if everybody has quite a great grasp as to what a ton is as far as as weight goes.
Starting point is 01:12:54 I mean, if you're talking about nine tons, you're talking about over 18,000 pounds of gold. So everybody can just understand, like, your average car probably weighs about 2,000 pounds. We're talking about 18,000 pounds of gold. That is insane. I'm sorry. I just wanted to clarify that to the audience because we have an international audience and they might understand more of the poundage than the tonnage. It's a lot. So we're going up there. We put more trail cameras up there. We're going up there. We're checking the site every day just like they asked us. And I went up the day before that they were supposed to be there. They still were going to be there on this day on March 13th. Yeah. I went up March 12th to make sure everything was still legit. Make sure like, because it's a,
Starting point is 01:13:43 there's hunting cabins up there and they rent them out and I want to make sure that there wasn't going to be a lot of people and causing confusion and hectic you know
Starting point is 01:13:52 I go up there and the confusion and the hectic was already there because the FBI showed up a day before and I'm like what's going on and I get stopped
Starting point is 01:14:01 by Agent Archer and he's like oh well we're just setting things up we're just getting things ready for tomorrow all right that could be true
Starting point is 01:14:09 and he's like all the all the time I said about going up and get into trail cameras. He goes, oh, don't worry about it. We already took care of all. Somehow he knew where we put all the cameras at that we just put up there a week prior. I'm like, all right.
Starting point is 01:14:24 He goes, you know, your dad have 12 cameras? I said, I guess. I don't know. Sure. So we come back and I, you know, told him because he was going to meet Warren Gettler at the airport to bring them in. I told him what was going on. Oh, okay. And so we had an agreement to be up there the next day at 8-8.
Starting point is 01:14:43 same thing no finders keepers logos because his vehicle has finders keepers on and stuff we go up in my little i had a 2013 masta hatchback little compact car me him my dad and war together drive up there in my car and fbi police everywhere they have the uh the bottom portion of the mountain roped off with crime scene tape and you know police line do not cross all the stuff go to get out of the vehicle and we get stopped by the FBI police and we all right well this is who we are you know miss agent archer twice we could be here oh no no just right now just stay in your vehicle i'll let him know you're here so we sat in the vehicle long story short we sat in this my vehicle for seven six and a half six and a half seven hours and we did see agent archer throughout this time you know we did talk to him he he told us we're getting
Starting point is 01:15:38 things set up which i thought you're supposed to get things set up the day before but he's like we're getting things set up and, you know, there's not a lot of room up there and it's pretty cram, you know, just stay in your vehicle here, we'll let you know when it's time. Well, so six and a half, seven hours, we go to get out of the car and stretch, there is a porto party there. And any time we got out to go to use this bathroom, FBI police jumped out and where are you going? You're not allowed to leave. You can't, we're just going to the bathroom. So anyway, this one time we get out, and we're standing there stretching, and we see this lady walking down the road towards us. And as she gets closer, we automatically recognize her as WTAJ reporter.
Starting point is 01:16:16 I can't remember her name right now, but she knew who we were. She recognized us. Now, swear to God, we didn't call. We didn't notify, you know, we did what the FBI asked. We didn't notify anybody. But somebody called the FBI. Sure. Somebody called the news company and told them what was going on.
Starting point is 01:16:33 So she gets close to us and she goes, hey, I recognize you. You guys are finders keepers. you could snap to your fingers FBI police were on us, grabbing us. You know, they're kind of yelling at us, like accusing us. They're the ones being the ones that called the news reporters. We're like, we didn't call anybody. And they escorted us behind the crime scene line into this green tent. You know, we got the third degree.
Starting point is 01:16:56 You were told you're not allowed to talk to anybody. You weren't allowed to. We're like, we're doing what you ask. We're just, you know, pawns here, apparently. And then we kind of got a little snippy back saying this is ridiculous. She told us to be here at 8 a.m. And you've had us confined to our car for six and a half hours. It's 30, 40 degrees out there.
Starting point is 01:17:14 The car's been running nonstop. It's what's happening? He goes, well, all right, well, now it's time. Let's go up the hill. Okay. So we start walking up this mountain. It's about a good three quarter, almost a mile hike up this mountain. And we get up there.
Starting point is 01:17:29 And there's about 35 agents up there. They're everywhere. There's an excavator. You know, we were told there was no room to walk or anything. But you got all these agents everywhere. and they're just doing their thing. And we noticed that they've already dug a hole. But they dug off to the side where the iron was supposed to be at.
Starting point is 01:17:48 And the whole thing was the iron there was only supposed to be down about three to five feet. So they dug down, confirmed that the items were down three to five feet, showing how accurate the readings were. So there, when they got to the gold, and it said it was down 12. Eight to 12 feet. Eight to 12 feet, they knew exactly how far to dig. So we get there, and they go to move the excavator over to what they call as the honey hole. Arspa, right, where the gold's at.
Starting point is 01:18:20 And they start digging down. Finally, we're like, here it is. This comes to my moment of truth. You know, they're digging down. They're digging down. They're hooking, scooping out the dirt, and they're dumping it. And I look, and after spending years with this knucklehead, I can start detecting things that he does. like his camouflage cameras.
Starting point is 01:18:39 And I'm looking, I'm like, hey, there's one of your cameras. They said they got all of them. They're getting ready to bury it. As they're pushing the dirt, digging our hole, they're pushing the dirt. Close to the hillside. Yeah, and I'm like, Kim, they're going to bury my camera. And Kim, so what do you got to do? So I, 35 agents, and they're split in half.
Starting point is 01:18:59 15's with us. 15's at the other side with DC and R. They keep me and DC and R apart at this time. and I put my hands up. I stopped the excavation. I walk over and grab a pile of leaves. And I come back and the agent's right next to me, I hand it to him. And he looks at it and he looks at me.
Starting point is 01:19:18 It was a camera inside the leaves and he says, fucking genius. And he handed me the camera and he goes, how did you do this? I hand it to Kim. The machine is taking his picture while he's holding it and other people documenting that I gave it to him. I gave it to Kim.
Starting point is 01:19:37 In a sense. Go ahead. So, yeah. So he ends it to me. And we're like, all right, cool. You know, we have the camera. So I'm thinking in my head, I'm like, well, he thought he could. You know, the agent said he got all the cameras.
Starting point is 01:19:48 I did not make cameras of there. And so I'm talking with him. And he's like, I think that's all the cameras. I can't remember. So, you know, they start digging and doing their thing. And they got down about six, seven feet, maybe eight max. and they said, hold it up, stop, stop, stop. Archer, yells.
Starting point is 01:20:08 I'm like, what? It's 4 o'clock in the afternoon. He goes, we've been here all day, we're cold, we're hungry. He says, we're going to pack it up for the night. And we're like, you've only got like three, four more feet to dig. He says, now we've been here. We said, we're going to go back to the hotel. You guys go home, get a nice night arrest.
Starting point is 01:20:27 We're going to come back here tomorrow morning at 8 a.m. We'll come up this hill together and we'll start digging right here where we left off. Yep, were his exact words. All right. Us still being hopeful and gullible and everything, we're like, all right. So we left. Went down, got in the car, me and my dad and warned together, and we left, came back to the house. It's like the night before Christmas.
Starting point is 01:20:52 Again, part two, you know, we're like, oh, tomorrow's the big day. Tomorrow's the big day. We get up and we drive up there. It was snowing briefly, nothing major, a few snow flurries. We get up there and we get stalled on, hold on, you know, Agent Archer's air. He's got dirt on his knees of his jean or his khaki pants and everything, and he cut himself somehow. He was bleeding.
Starting point is 01:21:16 We're like, what's going on? He says, I'm having problems. We're running into the problems with DEP and DCNR and the hole filled up with water. And, you know, we've got to find a way to get the water out of the hole. And it's a big stink. You guys just stay in your car and stay warm. Oh, okay. All right. So we sit there and we're pondering what's going on.
Starting point is 01:21:39 Five, six hours later, we're in that car for five to six hours. And DCNR was behind us. And they were in their car for five to six hours. They weren't even allowed up that mountain. No way. So we get done, you know, where we get out of the vehicle and what's going on. Now, you know, we had all these big trucks and satellite trucks, and they've had these side-by-sides, you know, the UTVs and so they got their run up
Starting point is 01:22:03 down the mountain. So they had probably about three or four of those there. And we're sitting there. And we finally get out of the car and we start, I'm kind of raising a stink again. We're like, hey, it's been five, six hours. We're not doing us again. What's happening? And Agent Archer says, all right, let's go up the hill. We're getting ready to dig the last three feet. I go, yes, all right. So we walk up there. And the day before, all these FBI agents were talkative or, you know, they're cheering, you know, being nice and friendly. We get up. there, they're all stone-faced. As we're walking up,
Starting point is 01:22:37 you know, hey, good morning, how's it going? Nobody would respond to us. Nobody was talking. It was like they were ordered. Don't say anything. Keep your mouth shut. It was kind of weird. It was eerie feeling. They're in a circle around the hole. Side by side like a wall. The whole way around that
Starting point is 01:22:53 hole, there was a circle of FBI agents. It was ridiculous. They opened up a crack so we could squeeze in. This is crazy. So we walk in. And I looked in the hole. And the first thing I noticed was the size of the hole. The day before, it was 7, 8 foot deep.
Starting point is 01:23:14 And I had 3 12 foot by 12 foot. Yeah, but the walls were square. When we left the day before, you had four square walls. When I come back, I had three square walls. But the other one was tilted. It was like it was backfilled. And I'm like, what the hell's going on here? But it was about seven feet deeper.
Starting point is 01:23:32 we're going up to dig the next three feet. We go up when we find out somebody's already went down 13 feet. They lied to us. They were 13, 16 feet. Oh, yeah, it was deep. So the size of the hole was the first thing I saw. The second thing that I noticed was that there was no water. That hole was not full of water.
Starting point is 01:23:53 There was no water pump that was ever taken up that hill to pump the water out of this hole. If they would have used the excavator, the buckets to scoop the water out, and dump it. I looked around. There was all still fresh snow. There was no signs of water being dumped anywhere. I mean, this is when I said, I'm like, we're getting lied to. There's a lot of lies going around.
Starting point is 01:24:13 Like, what the heck? So we get there, and what it was said to you? Well, Kim and Warren was ahead of me looking at the whole, like they opened up, two men got out of the way so we could step into the circle. And then I was the last one in. And I looked down in there at the archer's part. Jake Archer says, Denny, look in the hole and tell me what you see. I look down in there and I says, I don't see anything.
Starting point is 01:24:40 He threw his arms up. He goes, that's it, everybody. Let's go home. There's nothing here. And I go, whoa, whoa, wait a second. And he goes, what? I said, there's nothing here now. It doesn't mean there wasn't something here yesterday or last week.
Starting point is 01:24:53 He goes, oh, don't you start, don't you start Mr. Parada. And I kicked in a high gear. They didn't think I would do this. I started yelling at him in front of 35 agents. You're the one that wouldn't let us have any people on site while the dig happened. You're the one who won't let us have our equipment up here before the dig. There's a lot of things that don't add up here. And I'm yelling at him.
Starting point is 01:25:16 Mr. Prada, do you see any gold? No, I don't see any gold. But then there's no gold. Did you remove any gold from this hole? Yes or no. He wouldn't answer. I said, did you find any gold down there? He said, did you see any gold?
Starting point is 01:25:29 He looked, Ken, did you see any gold? No. Well, then you got your answer. No, you tell me, till this day, he's never told us he didn't. Yes or no. None of the, nobody in the FBI government. And I never answered that question to my lawyer and nobody. They won't say yes or no to the answer. And even at one point, when we asked them, what did you take out of the hole? And he says, I'm not telling you that. It's none of your business. So I says, you had to find some kind of metal. We have a pig iron bleeding out. I broke into cast iron containers. Denny nothing was here. I says, well, then I'm going to come back because I got a lot of research to do. He said, no, you don't come back. You're not going to do anything. This is done for it. He says, you have to take your garbage we found off the hilltop. I looked over what garbage? The first day, they pulled out my, those copper pins.
Starting point is 01:26:18 We lost camera. There we go. Yeah, my phone just said 20% battery life left. I had the copper pins in the ground eight feet long for the GPL to shoot electricity. I had two of them where the gold was at, but I had six where the silver's at. Now, the first day of their digging, they pulled two my copper pins out of the ground, and they were laying there was some plastic fiber. And they asked me, are these your copper rods?
Starting point is 01:26:46 I go, yeah. On day two, when we came back, there was six of them laying in the junk pound. And I'm looking, I'm like, where did all these copper rods come from? So I says to him, Jake, are you going to dig in the silver area? He goes, Denny, we don't have time for that. We're going home. We're filling the hole in. We're done.
Starting point is 01:27:05 And I kept saying to myself, well, they had to dig in the silver area because there's only two pins in the gold area. So we got down off the hill. There was a lot of suspicion. Something was going wrong. Nothing made sense. Yeah, at this point, we were walking down the hill. We were told we had to walk down the hill. And as we got down the hill there, Warren Geller starts walking towards the green tent.
Starting point is 01:27:27 The same green tent we were in the day before that we were told to go. go into. And as he gets nearby it, the agent starts yelling. I said, don't you go near that tent. He goes, you stay right here. You're not allowed to go near that tent. And Warren's like, why? He goes, don't treat me like I'm a dog. Like what? And we get down there. And I'll never forget these words. As we were just at the, the do not, police line, do not cross. And we were going on the other side of it. Agent Archer looks at it and goes, I'm telling you right now, You don't go to the media. You put nothing on Facebook.
Starting point is 01:28:01 You put nothing online. You tell nobody nothing that happened here. And he says, if you do, there'll be serious repercussions. And then he turned and pointed at me and said, and you got your law enforcement career to worry about. I went to the municipal police academy in 2009. I've been active law enforcement clear up until this point, you know, 10 or 11 years at this time. And those were, that statement was made to me. And I was just flabbergasted.
Starting point is 01:28:28 So when Jake was walking away after he made that statement, I said, Jake, he told us to keep quiet until the investigation was done. I said, well, how long is it going to take for the investigation? He turned around and he goes, I have no idea, Denny, and he walked away. That's the last I spoke to him. And we waited a year for something to happen. Our lawyer says, what's happening with the investigation? Of course, it's, you know, with DCNR or whoever did the digs and the offers and all that stuff. and we don't hear nothing back
Starting point is 01:28:58 so my lawyer contacts Newton and she wants to know what's going on and stuff and they deny any of this happen and who's that? Who's the senator? Senator Arlenzpector and I don't know. He's the other one.
Starting point is 01:29:12 Pat Toomey got in he says I'll find out and they said there's nothing in their files. This didn't happen and Pat Tooney says you spend a half a million dollars in three days you better have something when I come back and now they came back and he said there's over 3,000 pages, 17 hours of video, thousands of photographs in the files.
Starting point is 01:29:33 Wow. Yeah. But they won't release anything. Now, we got the legal rights to see all that. We beat them in court. We're supposed to get all those files. The FBI says it'll take them four years. And that's what the fight's been over.
Starting point is 01:29:48 We're going to courts now in the next couple weeks to speed things up. All right. I mean, 17 hours of footage, what could they have recorded for 17? hours. Digging. That's what it is. Now, see, my cameras are running full time. I record 15 minutes of their cameras for 15 minutes video. They have a camera crew on the site, the FBI. I showed 15 minutes of recording time. They come up with 17 hours. I'm like, Jesus, what the hell did they record? Yeah. That was day one, you know. It had to be there all night. Every bar, every coin, everything that came out of the ground had to be videotaped and photographed.
Starting point is 01:30:28 All right. So I know one, your phone's dying and I know you got to run cam here in about 10 minutes. And so I don't want to, I got to ask a couple questions here real quick. One, I'm assuming, because at first I was thinking FBI rogue agents, but I'm assuming it's more FBI rogue than rogue agents individually. And I want to ask about the camera for a second. But before I do that, real quick, Kim, I didn't know your active law enforcement now. How does this whole thing sit with you being a law enforcement officer? Is this like a whole new perspective that you're getting that you never knew even existed?
Starting point is 01:31:09 It was possible before? Or did you ever hear rumors of, yeah, the FBI does crazy stuff like this? Well, I mean, I've always heard rumors and the stories like that. I'm just small town borough, you know, police and stuff like that, nothing major. And it's like I was never one for the whole Illuminati conspiracy and all this other stuff, you know, but I'm just seeing more and more of like the KGC, you know, this whole underground organization that a lot of people don't know existed, but there's documents and this stuff is coming to light. And I'm like, holy cow, this might be true, you know, like I was never one for the Illuminati or the New World Order.
Starting point is 01:31:49 and all that stuff. I mean, I've seen as believing, and I'm slowly seeing more and more stuff. Kim, I think you and I are around the same age. Were you born in 85? Yes. Yeah, me too. So I think you and I could be really good friends, buddy. I think you and I could have some conversations with you. You're like, oh, snap. Yeah. All right. So I wanted to come back real quick to the camera, though. You mentioned, you saw your camera, they missed the camera because they said they got all the cameras and stuff. Maybe it's going over my head. What was the significance of that part of this story? Because you're like, because you handed somebody like, you're a freaking genius.
Starting point is 01:32:24 Was it that you were, you caught them, you know, digging up the gold with that camera or what? I got thousands of pictures of the dig from the day before when they showed up. The whole way, it shows everything. The lawyer says, oh, my God, did you give that to the FBI? Because obviously they have to know about this. I says, I handed it to them. He goes, can you prove it? I said, it took his picture, his face.
Starting point is 01:32:50 And he gave it to me. He says, he gave it to you. And you told him, as a camera, because they're all legal. He says, thank you. And we have more of them up in the trees, and they're all legal. Everything was legal, yeah.
Starting point is 01:33:01 Yep, yeah, there were some up in the trees that I was not aware of that. He hid, and they got pictures. Everything, the FBI people were denying, I proved a year later when I started releasing these pictures. They said they couldn't dig very deep. They went down 13 feet. You can see the excavator going down.
Starting point is 01:33:18 I mean, it's a huge hole. They tore that whole place. So you literally got footage of all that stuff. Yes. And so that's why when we were talking before, you're like, yeah, we're going to win this one. Yeah. I mean, we have pictures of the night before, you know, before day one of them up there overnight, walk around with Bulletproof Fest on and carrying ARs.
Starting point is 01:33:43 Oh, yeah. The whole mountaintop was still off. You had seven. 70 some agents, 70 some FBI agents, the cars down below 30 some, 35 of them from all over the United States tags. And they had that amount of surrounded. The thing is, we found out a month, three, four months later. A couple weeks later, and things started to fit together after the dig. And people were calling us up and telling us, did you know they dug all night?
Starting point is 01:34:09 And we go, what? They had jack cameras all night. And the quads are running up and down, she said. they're filling up the back of these SUVs all night. They're loading stuff from the mountain. She said day one, she goes, when you guys all left at four o'clock, she goes, they came back at 7 p.m. and dug until 3, 2, 3 in the morning. She goes, I heard them using the jackhammer,
Starting point is 01:34:31 and they did have a jackhammer attachment for that excavator. It was up there. And the thing is, after the dig happened, and we didn't know it, day two, we're sitting in our car. We didn't know the first convoy comes through at 8 o'clock in the morning behind us. They didn't see it. And it goes to Hicks run. And it loads up.
Starting point is 01:34:49 All these SUVs are loading up something to these armored trucks. And we didn't know anything about armored trucks until people around us started saying, didn't you see all the armored humbis? Didn't you see the armored trucks and all the humvees? What are you talking about? And we kind of established a timeline that they were moving this stuff around when they had us confined to our car. They wanted us in certain locations. So we saw nothing.
Starting point is 01:35:11 It's six o'clock at night after the dig at nighttime. Another convoy came in. They sit at an armored truck at the Valley Farm Market for five hours. FBI's in and out all day talking to these guys. It's drawing all this attention. Five hours and then it takes off. And with the convoy goes to Dents Run, they shut down the roads into Dents Run. They make people go back in their homes, don't come out,
Starting point is 01:35:38 and they have the armored trucks in front of the green tent loading up. Who does this stuff? I mean, the armor structures are coming after they dig when they supposedly didn't find anything. And they're making people stay in their homes and they shut the roads down. There's a lot to this. This whole thing that's wrong. There's a lot wrong, definitely. Guys, listen, we're going to cut it here because I know we have to.
Starting point is 01:36:03 But we got to talk again because I have so much, man. So much questions. But listen, before we get out of here, I want to give you an opportunity. to let people know where can they find you guys online? Is there social media you want them to follow, a YouTube channel, or whatever you want to promote right now as far as people to find information about you guys or whatever? Go ahead. This is the time.
Starting point is 01:36:27 Well, we do have a YouTube page. It's Finders Keepers USA. The old man prospecting is our logo. We do have Facebook, Finders Keepers page. We have multiple pages. We set a page up on Facebook for every site we do. So if you search DENCH Run, you should find it. Finders Keepers does have its own page.
Starting point is 01:36:51 We're not too active on that. We do have a website, finderskeepersUSA.com. You can go there and check out our stuff. We don't update it regularly. Web design is beyond my pay grade again. It did need severely updated too. But the last guy that did it has, it's locked and I can't change it. And I can't get contact with the guy to make her edit.
Starting point is 01:37:15 So we are looking for a new web design if somebody is interested and would like to take a stab at it for us. Can I hit you with an update? Yeah. Since then, we've located the people who put all that gold in at Dentron. KGC. We found their headquarters in Quihanna, Pennsylvania. We've been here for two and a half years working with DCNR. We've located what we believe is hundreds of guns underground in chambers.
Starting point is 01:37:43 cannons, cannonballs, thousands of cannonballs, dead bodies, union soldiers. We have all this. We've been trying to get it dug up the last 30 days. We're trying to get the governor down there. But we found the KGC headquarters. And you have no idea. And we believe that this is the site that the southern, the south was trying to get to. Because if they could have got beyond Gettysburg and made it to this headquarters,
Starting point is 01:38:05 they would have had enough ammunition and cannons and stuff to turn the war around. And the cool, dense run. besides that and with this note we can talk the FBI didn't get all the gold attention on no
Starting point is 01:38:18 yeah hey we can we can talk about this in part too if you want Agent Archer on site said to me Denny you're staring up at that mouth what are you looking at I said there's another cave up here with just as much gold
Starting point is 01:38:32 he goes where is it I said Jake you screw me on this one you won't get the other one and since the last three years we've been keeping our mouth shut Wow Okay. We plan on going back to spring. Yeah. So this whole thing's going to happen again. Well, that's the show. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show. You know what? I know you enjoyed the show. I don't have to ask if you enjoyed this show to please share the show. I know you enjoyed the show. It had paranormal. It had government cover. It had the mysterious. What was there not to like? If you didn't like this show, I strongly, strongly question if you even listen to the show. So since we all know that we all enjoyed the show, just share the show with your friends, family. I don't care where or how you share the show.
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Starting point is 01:39:39 It fears no one. It adheres to no rule. that man can create. It forges its own path, and yet its path remains hidden from the world. The sphere of his existence is beyond most comprehension, as it exudes its power quietly, but transcendent. It needs no one's approval to exist,
Starting point is 01:40:01 but yet its very existence is sought after by many. It watches. It learns. Adapt to the ever-changing environment around, even as the environment is wrought with corruption. It battles the corruption only when pressed or for the protection of others like it. It is a mirage that few will ever understand. It's a cornucopia of knowledge from an era long past.
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