The Confessionals - RELOADED | 409: Black Budget Space Programs

Episode Date: September 4, 2023

In Episode 409: Black Budget Space Programs, we are joined again by a fan favorite, Tony Rodrigues! Tony and I originally connected years ago on Episode 91: The Alien Abducted Time Traveler where he became the first guest on The Confessionals to share his experiences of being abducted as a child, put in a secret space program, and forced into slave labor for 20 years. After his 20 years were finished, "they" brought him back to Earth at the exact time from which they took him. On Episode 409, Tony and I hold an open conversation about these topics, and how they relate to every human on planet Earth today.Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinCome Meet Tony:LIVE SHOW in Gatlinburg, TN!Tickets: https://bit.ly/3IC4IkxWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0SPONSORSGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals60 Promo Code: "confessionals60" for 60% off plus free shipping!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvet

Merkel. Medias. I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine? Out of a Delorean? Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves.

Time travel is possible. This was all circulating around the base that a job had been killed but no one was supposed to talk about it. Reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast.

And spears Dan holds him up like this. Somebody else. Shoot them in the face. Shoot them in the face. They basically decapitated. I feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two small gray entities. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe. And I couldn't move. Because I know I'm seeing a monster. Okay. I reloaded. Welcome to the show. Everybody, you're listening to The Confessionals. I'm your host, Tony Merkel.

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coming on the show today, and I played his original episode with me from episode 91 yesterday, Monday. So if you want to make sure that you're always up to date with refreshing your memory when it comes to episodes we played, we are going to start playing reloaded episodes every Monday right there on the stream for everybody. So if you're like, man, I remember hearing this one episode and I can't remember exactly which one it is, but they talked about this. I get those emails all the time. Bad news is I don't remember either, but the good news is we're going to start doing Reloaded Mondays, which means you have a good chance of hearing that episode again jogging your memory. Like, oh, that's the one. Okay, now I can send it to my mom. So anyways, friends, that's what we're

doing with Reloaded Mondays. It's going to be a reloaded episode. I'm really excited about it. I thought it was a cool idea, and we're going to start doing it every Monday. Now this week, we do have Tony Rodriguez coming on the show, and he is from episode 91. He is the alien abducted time traveler, and he comes back on for another conversation. This was a very general conversation. We didn't really have a specific way we wanted to go about doing this. So we had a general free-free conversation. And with that free flowing conversation, we did say some things that I was thinking, I don't know if that should be mentioned on the show or not, because we originally recorded this to be a one episode kind of thing. But with what we were talking about in the second half,

I just was kind of not totally sure if I should put that on YouTube or not. So we made this an overtime episode. So the first hour is right here public. And then the last 40 minutes of the conversation is right there for the overtime segment for members only. So with that said, let's get to Tony Rodriguez right now. All right. Today we have a returning guest. The long anticipated the prodigal son returns. Tony and Tony.

How are you, man? Yeah, I'm good, man. Good. I'm really, I've been staying busy. Dude, I'm glad you're here. So let me tell you something, man. I'm uploading my archive of shows to YouTube. And I'm working through from like the newest to the oldest.

And so I have like 100 episodes to go. And I recently am hitting about episode 100. And I was skimming through what I had. And I was like, oh, Tony's going to be coming up here soon. I got to upload Tony Rodriguez to YouTube here. And I was like, I should have Tony Rodriguez back on the show. Because it was episode 91 and we're about to break 400. I mean, shoot, when this thing airs, maybe it will be episode 400.

I don't know. So, you know, it's just one of those things where I was like, man, we got reconnected. I'm glad you here, man. Hey, I'm glad to be here. Very cool. I'm happy to see the success and how your expand growth is done since we've talked. Man, you're killing it. Yeah, I appreciate it, man.

It's been a long time. It's been a long journey. But listen, Tony, I think what we're going to do today is I want to give people maybe a refresher course as to who you are because there's a lot of new listeners that probably never listened to episode 91. And if they could be informed as to who this Tony Rodriguez. guys is and why are Tony so excited to talk to this Tony and let them know about that. But to give people like a maybe like a summary here before you get into it, you and I connected

years ago, and I think it was shortly after you started talking about this stuff publicly, but you were talking about the whole 20 and back situation where you have these memories of abduction and what happened during that abduction. And it kind of blew people's minds, man. I know it's a long story. So we may not be able to get into the whole thing. But if you could maybe give a summary, because I want to let the people know also that you are now podcasting. You have a book coming out.

And so we want to find out what's happening with you now, but also some of the new things that are developing within this whole community of people who have been abducted and going through these things. Sure. Wow, that's a lot. I know. I'm sorry.

Well, so I recently. So I recently did a show. I did a live talk in Detroit Disclosure two weekends ago. And there was the first time I did a live show where I asked people to raise hands in the audience, have they ever heard of my information before? Who's heard of my story? It could show hands. And hardly anybody, like two people wrote.

I was like the whole, I was like, wow, I'm in front of an audience. It doesn't even. I said, how we heard of a 20 and back? Nobody. The same two people. I went, oh, here we go. So this is kind of, it was a challenge. It's almost embarrassing to really talk about stuff that's so far different from what people think about a UFO in UFOology.

Some people are at different levels because people have to come to UFOology to learn about it. So they learn one level and then they put it on a shelf for a year and come back to UFOology. So UFOology keeps going, right? And then the 20 and back stuff, the secret space program developments, a lot of people are just unaware. And so when you really explain that the military has access to take to work and the military has access and has contracts with extraterrestrials that who, and it's hard to distinguish who's working for who, use that technology to abduct people and use them in labor or warfare or whatever else they want in throughout colonies in the solar system. and then they have the, here's where you lose people, when they have the technology to put people back, you know,

they live for 20 years and then they go back in time and the age regress of the body and they have several processes and they put them back the same day, the same hour that they were taken in the same body after they lived 20 years and went back. So it's a mouthful and it's when you explain to somebody that hears it for the first,

I hate to be the first guy to explain it to somebody. I really do. I hate to be the first person to break that news to somebody because they go like, They look at you and they go, no, what about? And then the questions come. But really, I'm not the only one talking about it. There's a great deal of information about it available, 20 and back secret space program,

20 or two or career return program. There's a lot of information about that stuff. Anybody can access. I'm not the only one. I mean, there's been dozens of people that have been researched and came through credibly, like myself, that got researched by a professional researcher and turned up evidence. And then there's hundreds of people that haven't had that luxury of somebody proving part

of their experience, you know what I mean, having proof tangible, tangibly. And so there's hundreds of people like that. They just haven't had that luxury. That doesn't mean nothing happened to them. It's just that they can't really speak about it. You know what I mean? I'm the same publicly. So anyhow, that's kind of the recap.

I was taken. I was 10 years old. I got bumped into a program and lived on earth for, seven, eight years in black projects, working for privately funded black government projects, fringe government projects, and then sold off to the secret to the military and put into space into the space colonies. And then was on several different projects there. Like I'd work for a couple of years and get retrained and ended up on series colony and working for the bulk of my time and then put back to being 10 years old again in 1982. And then got my memories back in 2050.

Was that when we did that episode? Was it like six, I came, I went public in, I think, September of 16. I started my first one. No, I mean, because I started a podcast January of 2017, and we were at episode 91 when I interviewed you. So you were at least new to me at least. I think it was like, okay. So yeah. And, you know, it's funny.

It's like I said, it's a small, there's a lot of people that study UFOology and it's like a small percentage of them really. I like to think it's a big person, have knowledge of the 20 and back program. Well, I would say that I think coming across your story was probably my most extensive introduction to the topic. I had talked to, not talk to, but heard other people talk about the idea of it,

things like that. But I had never talked to somebody up to that point that was saying that this is what they've been through. And I remember doing that interview and I felt like a fish out of water. I was like, I don't know what I'm supposed to ask here. You know, like, I'm interested in a story and like, I'm listening to you and stuff, but I'm just like, this is so like, have you ever been in a situation where you're taking

so much information in that you have a hard time, like, organizing it in your head? Right, you actually need to sleep on it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You need to hear it and wait a couple days and then and then hear it again and sleep on it. that really, when you hear it's something that really changes everything, you know, that's something that, you know what I'm saying, like, like legitimately changes your, what reality is for you.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, you have a certain, we have a reality with them on the earth that's like, no, but no ETs come here and our government's good, great people and they care about us and stuff. We have all these images. Yeah, we have that. We have that given provided for us. And then when you hear somebody that comes on goes, no, we don't.

No. and then this is how it's happened and then five other people raised their hand and go yeah it happened to me too and you know what I'm saying when you can come with that like a bunch of whistle when a whistleblower comes along it tells you like you know it's radical to think about

what was it Snowden the whistleblowers saying that all the cell phones are always on always listening you know that was like hard to swallow and I had to sleep on that for a minute but it's my information and other people that been in Secret Space Program their information is kind of the same thing like if you never heard about it

you go whoa they are doing what? When you really look into the info and then a lot of the, you know, it wasn't a great time for me and there really, there really is a massive abuse of power. And they, in the name of

advancing the technology for the species, that's the name that they do it, but they use slave labor and they treat people. There's a lot of abuse. There's a lot of crime that goes in that is day-to-day life up there that we would consider high crimes.

And then I say it, I say it loud and proud, and I'll tell anybody that all ET abductions, all ET contacts are felonies. It's a felony. They show up in your room. They show up in your bedroom, bro. And when you're a kid, so our kids, you know, there are thousands of thousands of kids that are that come forward saying they have ET contact. And so that's also a high crime. You have to get permission.

You get what I'm saying? Like a real ET that when we really have a say or any kind of, or. any kind of compassion from extraterrestrial contact or even the secret government programs. Sometimes there's people that come in and they would knock on the front door. You get on saying like an ET that would

fly up on somebody's car and then they'd disappear and come back all this. What happened? We don't know. Then if it was legitimate for in our best interest, they would knock on the front door and say, would you come with us, please. We'd like you to help us. But they don't do that. You're just people

abducted, it's a huge crime and it's across the board. Thousands of people have contacted me since I've been public. Thousands that said they remember bits and pieces of the same thing that I say. I'm so glad that that's the case. I think that there's a lot of people out there. So say somebody comes across my show that's been in your shoes, they may not feel comfortable talking to me, somebody who's never been through it, that talks to other people. And I'm fine talking to people, but it may not for them be, you know,

how do I communicate this to somebody who's never really even been through it? They come across you and they're like, here's somebody that I can talk to. And I view the same thing, man. Like, like, it's kidnapping. I mean,

how else can you, I mean, I didn't ask to be taken. It's one of our highest crimes, especially when you talk about children. You know what I mean? It's one of our high, our culture has a set.

You know what I'm saying? And to be fair, ET cultures. So from my time that I remember, ET cultures have a wide, variety of morals that are much different than ours that are just as normal to them as we think that are, you know what I'm saying? Like their moral value, there are many moral things. And people really, so, I mean, let's face it, what do you think? Are we close to, you think

disclosure is near? No, I mean, I, I personally lean towards no. I don't think that the government doing, like, listen, if the government's doing these things, do I think that they're going to tell me they're doing these things. No, I don't. I think that there was been a big fight over disclosure, you know, in the government, like, or over the spaceburger, whoever, I don't know who, but you could tell that there was a fight that bubbled up to the surface. And disclosure is the main issue, because that's the big, you know, elephant in the room that we're at a level of, we're at a level of technology. We're pretty soon somebody will be able to roll out, some dude, some guys will get together and they can build, people have C&Cs and laser cuts.

and computers. We have a lot of things that we never had, not even 10 years ago, in our garage. And guys will be able to build something that can discover life out there and prove it without shadow doubt out of a garage. So now we're getting to that level of technology to where it's likely that they can't keep it hidden. You know, well, somebody will have a wide scale proof of life out there. So they have to disclose. They have, you know, or kill us off and, or do something. You know what I'm saying? Like they, we're getting to the point where they can't keep it a secret any longer. How possible? They have the do something graphic. How possible could that be, though, as a solution to kill everybody off

like yourself? I mean, is that something that you think is feasible? You know, well, I mean, we don't have, we're not, it depends on who's in charge of us. It depends on the job that the people that are really running things, the corporate elite, the corporations, the whoever's at the top of the corporation is really running the world. And so it depends on how good a job those people do are defending us because it's not up to us. We don't have the technology to even interfere with. We are people, that's the other thing is a lot of people think that we're advanced in certain ways that we're to have, you know, but our actual us driving around in our Chevy and our gas powered stuff looking at television, whatever it is, whatever our internet is at, like one, half a gig, a sec, whatever it gets to, it's lame.

And so against species that can fly through mountains and time travel. and read your mind and make people paralyzed when they walk in the room. We're talking about this level of tech. So it's not really up to us. It's not a question if they wanted to kill us, they could. So somebody that's in charge of our elite, whoever's in charge needs to do a job of defending us and by proxy themselves, defending themselves and by proxy us. You know, that's what we got is in that plan. Or disclose.

Disclosure is more favorable, really. you know, so we're not the first planet that got to where we are and then needed to this, that they made contact and let everybody know that there's a galactic community or an intergalactic community. So we're not the first time this has happened. So they know exactly what's going to happen. You know, like when when they released the internet technology on the public, they knew exactly what was going to happen because they knew what happened on other planets when it happened. You get what I mean? So they knew what to expect a society back then, because the elite are in touch with this level of tech and reach of information.

So if that's the case, and like you said, I mean, there's other, we're not the first plan to go through this. What do you think then would be holding back the disclosure from happening? I mean, do you think it's literally the powers that are in charge right now trying to hold on to control still? or and they just, they're not ready to join that community. They just want to hold on to their little. It's like a kid on a playground that has his favorite swing. He's like, nope, it's mine. Nobody else can use it.

Is it that or is there something more at play that I'm not thinking of? I want to high five of you, man. That's the best question ever. So, well, there's a couple, there's a couple obvious ones. Number one, like I said, they've committed crimes. So in order to bring people up and train them and make them available to trade in the say let's just take the 20 year tour the career return program so it's perfectly legal to it's perfectly legal in the united states to enslave somebody if they've been convicted of a crime

so if you were going to take somebody right out of their jail cell which you probably had legal they could privately own jail that they probably already have legal authority to go into and enslave that person kidnapped if you went to someone's jail cell in the united United States and kidnapped them and put them in a career return program and made them slave labor and then put them back in their jail cell, about 30 minutes later and use that technology. It turns out it's perfectly legal. The 13th Amendment that freed the slaves said, no, there'll be no slavery unless convicted of a crime. They don't say what level of crime or anything.

So it's perfectly legal to take it. And then all of a sudden, the United States has the largest prison population in the world. How did I miss? How did I miss? Like, this is like, I'm somebody who, I love the Constitution. And so, like, how did I, how did I freaking miss this, this thought process?

I've never had this thought process go across my mind. Well, it's, I, you know, lived through it. So I would live through slave labor up there. And that's why I still have a second look. I went, wow, you don't say. I thought, what is the law for slavery now after the, and I went read it and I went, wow. So what a coincidence that we have the largest prison population by far in the world.

you know and there are other countries that face it, behave worse than typical American. But that would get, I'm not saying it's happening, I'm just saying it's legal if they were going to do that. So there's that. There is, and when you enslave somebody up there,

the mind control they use, the soldiers get a, a, with the grain mind control to make them more effective and more totally obedient. So that, or you get what I'm saying, like totally reliable on command.

They can command them and there's, they instill other things. We're talking. about very advanced industrial grade hypnosis, very advanced. And so that's how they do. And they have with the grain that makes the soldiers more confident and they fight better. But for the slaves, they use trauma-based mind control. And so to make them afraid so that you don't try to escape or try to give anybody any lip.

So they take away your self-esteem and put you through trauma-based, great deal of trauma-based mind control. So that's if when we look at that and if we disclose and they look at these programs, that involves sexual abuse, that involves being tortured, there involves many bad things. We look at that and go, what? This is against the law. You guys need to go to jail. So to answer, to get back, sorry, long story,

but to get back to your question of why they don't want to disclose, is because heads are must roll after a disclosure of what these programs, what the operate, what the day at the office has been for these guys that have had access to these programs, heads were going to have to roll. They broke a lot of laws and they were not necessarily, well, you know what I mean? like they're in space so they have their own laws. How's that going to work when we find out there's a moon colony? Are they, can they not, is it maritime?

Is it like international waters or something? You know, like what is the law? And actually the Artemis Accords recently addressed to that. So that's another, it's one of those coincidences on that keep popping up in my testimony. But for the whole subject matter is that the Artemis Accords really addressed slave labor in space. Corporate slave labor in space is also, it was it, it was slave labor. It was slavery. They made it legal in space. Or, you know, like corporations, like corporates had their own kind of law where they could, in fact, like I forget, I don't know if it was worded slavery, but there was a way that they could really abuse people and it would be legal because it would not be on the earth. And they, the Artemis Accords, there's a lot of fine print about labor in space. That's where they basically drew up the laws about it. So we'll see how that pans out. That's the space forest and all that. That's all, you know, playing into it. The, the other. the things I was told pre-disclosure that was holding us back from disclosure is that our

energy systems are so far behind because we've been kept into the fuel system that for the intergalactic community to integrate with us they don't even touch us until we have our energy consumer energy infrastructure at a certain level of technology that is very that we just can't do overnight and they're like once once we do that then we'll get our disclosure like that could be that could be literally the whole reason we're not disclosing. It's because we don't have the infrastructure to accommodate our guests to come down and plug in their, their UFO into the,

to get more power or whatever. You know, I'm in a, I'm being metaphorically there, what I'm saying. Yeah, but do you think that, uh,

that is a big push as to why certain things are happening today politically, at least the United States that doesn't seem to make sense as far as pushing agendas that are, is actually hurting us? Yeah, I think we just spent like three trillion bucks on some new, power grids or there was the one trillion bill of the power grid in Texas and the south America and then another one over power grids and then they're they're getting rid of gas

yeah and machines I mean it's it's all about the power consumption exactly well that's what I mean that's a lovely coincidence that's really really is hopeful for me that they're not going to kill us that they're going to disclose because they're building this you know they're upgrading our power they're heading in that direction if they were going to if it was a requirement for our power grid to be at a certain level of tech. And we were going to head in that direction to make it so. And that's exactly what we're doing. We're watching the money head in that direction right now.

Follow the money. Well, the money just went, $3,000 of dollars just went totally into power infrastructure. For not only the United States, but quite a wide area, I think other places in the world to have their power grids and upgraded as well. So it's a global effort. And so that's a very positive. Yeah, there's a lot of talk about. the power grid and how weak the power grid is right now. And then we have some bizarre decisions made

that you sit back and you look at. And I understand people have their opinions when it comes to like energy and fossil fuels and all that stuff. Throw that out the window. Just throw out the window for your opinions and how you feel about things. The way it's been done is almost like they're trying to deplete us of fossil fuels in our reserves and things like that, almost as if to put us in a position where we have to do something else. It seems like that's kind of what's been happening with decision making, canceling the Keystone Pipeline, and then deciding to tap into the reserves, which will only last it like two days. Like, what is the point of that? It doesn't, it doesn't make any logical sense unless they're trying to implement a whole new system by getting rid of

the old system. Like, there's just nothing left. Maybe along those lines, but we've, the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement is something that I've followed a lot. And it's like, I don't work to talk about politics now, but what is something that happened that I think very few people understand the mechanism of the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement of what it really is to, what it really means to people in America. And that's basically why our shelves are bare and where everything's going

and why the prices of everything is skyrocketing, because the first few rounds of money that they passed with their COVID relief, right as soon as, you know, Biden took office, they okayed the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement, which Obama had left off on, and Trump immediately canceled his first day in office. They came on, Biden gave it a green light, and they were waiting.

They'd been waiting for those last four years they were ready. So what that basically does is it says that we are subsidizing all of the countries around the Pacific Rim, like Malaysia, and Vietnam and there's a bunch in there and China that we are subsidizing our produce like our lumber and produce are we're subsidizing our products to go there so even though it's more expensive to manufacture here because we're in our certain level and it's cheaper there we they can't afford it and we pay the difference so if they can only afford a five dollar sheet of lumber

and it costs $10 in America we sell it to them we give it to them and they pay $5 in America out of the relief money pays the other $5. That's where all our stuff is going. And it's going to be years of that. Because they are upgrading, they're building, it's a huge, if NAFTA was a firecracker, this is a nuclear bomb,

is of the same exact thing of outsourcing. And so like most of the countries are getting like a 40% pop in their 40% or 50% pop in their local economy because of the Trans-Pacific trade agreement. The United States over the next 20 years is only supposed to get 5%. economical growth out of it out of the trans you know what I mean like that's anyhow well I'm getting sidetracked this not UFOs is it but it's the reason it's where we're at right now it all it all relates

it all relates you know and that's the thing I mean it's not political it's it's taking what's happening in our world today which unfortunately you can't sneeze without making it political these days you so we're just talking about what's literally happening into today's world and how that attributes to what we're talking about here with your own personal experience. So I don't view it as getting political whatsoever. I don't care what people think. I don't care who people vote for. Go do what you want to do with your life. I don't freaking care. So when I got my memories back, so I'll go back to my story. So I got my memories back in

2015. And I was left wondering what the hell was happening to me. I really wanted some other reason to kind of caught me free of it. Like I kept trying to find a reason. for it to be some other thing that was other than me remembering actual things. You get what I mean? Like maybe if I go here and prove it wrong, if I go here, I remember that this place was here and I remember the car

was blue. And if I can go to this place and find that it's there and it's not the car, it's not blue and the place is different, then I can prove it wrong, I can move on, I can quit worrying about it because it was a dream or something. And then what happens is I go there and a car is blue and exactly how it is. And it's over and over

and over again. It keeps happening. Because of that, I started studying the things I remember to research it. And I think that's why I've got a weird look on our local current events. I have a kind of a weird perspective because of my own, you know, one, like the Constitution. Like I read the Constitution from that angle because I remembered that slavery was up there. And if it was, you know, that was the same kind of thing. Religion was the other thing. The other thing I really researched that was disappointing to pan out was a ritual human sacrifice.

That was a global culture. It was global. Everybody in the globe did it. I didn't know. I didn't know that. But I was researching the history like why these people do that, why the elite are doing that. And there's quite a bit of history there. It was kind of disappointing to see what it is, what it was and how it is.

Right. Yeah, and it's a dark history that man has from pretty much any angle you want to take it. You know, if you look back in the history of your country or human society in general, it's dark. There's a lot of people who were in charge of things who made bad decisions, did bad things. And that's from your history books to your biblical books to everything in between. History is filled with regrets, right? So that's the way I look at. Now, let me ask you a question here.

You know, we were talking about, or you were mentioning about some of your experiences, and I was making rapid fire notes. And I want to start off with this one part here. Did you suggest that not only are ETs abducting people, but actual people are coming into people's homes and abducting them in the middle of the night kind of thing? Oh yeah, where black programs have advanced alien technology,

many black programs. And I'm talking about like, you know, elite special forces. They have access to anti-graft craft. They have access to sleep technology. They have access to, you know,

they can see right through the house. They can, you know, they have access to the same technology that ET is used to abduct people. In my, in my abduction experience, they followed up.

The military followed up. or excuse me, that's, that's, that I can't say military or not. Humans followed up. I was abducted again by humans a few weeks after by initial abduction by ETs. I was taken by the, you know, I call it the cabal programs, you know, the, the, the Orion group programs that was dealing with probably the CIA and local or American elite billionaire people that were probably had access to CIA programs. I was taken by them and then sold into the space colonies into those militaries and then traded from one to another a couple times. But definitely after I came back, a human group Polk got me. And they had tech to make me remotely make me get up out of bed and sleepwalk right into their van out in my driveway.

Wow. So they had that technology. And so if they have that, then, you know, they run the gamut. And the other thing is after, so, you know, this is kind of wild. But after I came public, I think the emails were right before my first interview. I believe I was taken and interrogated by a, like the Air Force secret space program, like on that level. and they took me and interrogated me and put me right back the same.

It was the same technology. They timed dilated me. So they took me and they interrogated me for like 18 hours and they put me back and I woke up the next morning like what the hell just happened. Why? It was only the nighttime had passed. So I got sleep and everything.

What's the point of that? I mean, are they aware that you remember more? Like obviously now, but I mean, leading up to that, do you think they had some ability to understand some people are waking up to with the memories or what?

Well, I think that researchers that I was dealing with at the time had their emails under surveillance and so they came and got me to question me and they asked me the same story over when I was like, I remember being kind of zonked out of it. Like, you know, they gave me something

and I was like zonked. But I remember it was the same thing over and over again and I was being super cooperative and it was like two guys doing the good cop, bad cop thing where one of them would be cool once in a while and the other one was like aggressive. And they kept asking me the same questions over and over and over again.

And I was like, dude, I'm telling you the same thing. And it was like, seriously, like 18 hours straight of it. And then they put me back. So,

um, if they have technology to make you sleep, walk out of your house into the, into the van, and that's how the abduction can happen. Uh, I'm sure you've heard of like voice to skull technology. What,

what are your thoughts on that as far as like, like, like, um, Isaac Cappy, uh, before he, he killed himself.

he was talking about how he was hearing voices in his head. And everybody around him was saying that he's just, he's losing it, he's crazy, he's talking about all these elite pedophiles and now he's hearing voices. But then he's in the car, I think in Arizona with a friend, and this friend was driving. And they both were hearing voices in their head at the same time. So at that point, she was like, oh, he's not crazy.

And there's some kind of technology going on. Have you ever heard of such things? Oh, yeah. It's very real. It's mechanical. We called it mechanical telepathy on series colony. It's very real thing. And, you know, I've talked to people that have said they've had it, but I've followed up with them.

Like, people talk to me and said that, you know, they're a targeted person and they get the voice. They're the voices and stuff. I'm like, follow up with them. And they usually don't want to keep talking about it. So, but I believe it's very real. It's a very real technology for sure. It's something. And the vice versa.

they can listen to what you're thinking too. You know, they can, which is right, like the ultimate paranoid conspiracy thing to say publicly. You know what I'm saying? To generate people that have paranoid behavior. But I'm saying that they had that, that's the ability as well. So I don't know what it would entail or what, you know, like what kind of tech they would do. But that's definitely something that's in a realm of possibility existed in the space, in the secret space colonies when I was up there.

So I don't think it's too hard to fathom when you break it down into terms that we are more familiar with. So we know there's algorithms that are real. And we know that our phones have predictive qualities to them where, you know, it learns our habits and all of a sudden things that we need or we think we need or we want, all of a sudden starts popping up on our phone without us even searching for it. It's like, up, it's that time, you know, it just knew. And so if they have technology that can just predict your behaviors to the point that they know what you're thinking or know what you are going to think at a certain point in the day, of course, they have technology that could actually read your minds. I mean, when you look at what Elon Musk is doing

with Neurrelink and the technology he's working on there, I mean, it's not a stretch whatsoever. And if they're doing that publicly now, just imagine what they have privately. And I've said this before on the show, when I was driving truck, I was doing a delivery to a guy who owned a casket place. He sold caskets. And he said to me that, and he didn't know who I was. We just got in this conversation. I have it, I guess I'm good at pulling this kind of stuff out of people. But we were talking about his time in the military. And he said back in the 60s, he was an engineer in the military. And he said the technology that we have today, he was working on back then, or they had back then. And so there's a very big gap between what we have access to and what they

have access to. And your story just kind of backs that whole thing up. Right. Thanks. Yeah, it's very true. And your cell phone does way more than you can even imagine. The amount of mind control, the level of technology behind that. So there are, I've been made aware that there are not only when you look at your cell phone, you say it's like the NSA is listening. and they can word search all your stuff is listening to. But there are other programs that are above the NSA that they're unaware of that have access to the same data and can actually manipulate it.

And when you talk about big tech, it's quite obvious. Nobody can argue that big tech is all working together as basically one entity, that all of the website, all of the media is basically one entity. They're all on the same page with agendas that are fly in the face of what people. A lot of people nowadays are going, huh? And they're all on the same page by pushing the agenda.

agenda. So whatever it is. I don't want to talk myself off of the internet. But it's obvious, right, it's obvious that it's one or it's one or two, you know, they're very close and they're all on the same pace. Somehow they shouldn't, we believe they shouldn't be. So, but there are levels above them that are actually ET. Well, so, and not only, you could not only get one or two groups of ETs, you could get a hundred of different ETs with all different agendas that. that are accessing that information. They have the ability to come down and snoop on that tech and access all that info.

And then the ones that actually are working with Big Tech openly can input things. So with the mechanism to listen to everything, Big Tech also has a mechanism to program what you see next. And so that's a huge thing that's intake. It's really impacting our kids. When you look at the younger generation, they're really, really affected by their social.

We didn't have it, right? I don't know how you look like a young guy. 36. So it came out when I was, Facebook came out when I was in college, but I didn't get it until I was married. So when did you get, when did you get your first smartphone? Actually, I did get my first smartphone in, I want to say it was probably like 2006 or five. It was the Motorola queue, which was, it had internet, it had, but it was so slow and crappy. It wasn't a touchscreen. or anything like that. Yeah, it was cheesy back then.

So you're already an adult though. So the phone that's in your pocket today, you're already an adult. Your opinion, your morals are made up, your willpower is made up, your opinions are made up, already firmly entrenched in your psyche. The kids nowadays,

all of their opinions, all that stuff is fed to them by that fucking phone. Excuse me of my language, but you can't stop the phone from children. I have raised my daughters. I regret giving them internet access at a young age. I wish I would have waited until they were 15 or 16, even though that was probably not possible.

It was probably not possible. They wanted it so bad. All their friends had it and everything, but it changed them. I watched their personalities, you know what I'm saying, be influenced by the internet. You could see it. And, you know, if you're close with your kids, I mean, anybody can see it. But it really changed them and continues to, to this day, it influences them. And these are people, you know, your kids, you know better than anybody.

And me, too. So I'm thinking, no, it hasn't influenced me at all. I'm still the same guy, but we have a better chance because we grew up without it. But to see kids that that's been their whole, that's been the gospel to them the whole time. You know what I'm saying? Like it's been their fault. So when something changes in the media, they change. And now, you know, we have a different kind of a guide.

We kind of have a, like I said, we have a basis without the influence of big tech and media. So we're all different. We have a foundation that was laid in place before the, internet was put on top of that foundation, whereas the kids today, their foundation, it is the internet. I mean, is the internet. That's their root makeup. And so all the information they get, the who they are, what they're going to do all

comes from the internet. And if the internet changes something and moves a different direction, so do the kids. That's it. I mean, they just, they navigate. Whereas I think our, but even our generations and stuff are, are changing too, because, I mean, how many times, like, I'm 36, and I can't tell you how many times I see people in their 50s, 60s year old. And they're acting like they're in their 20s, the way they're letting their decisions, how they're making their decisions. I mean, at some point, you guys start saying, okay, we got to stop making decisions based off our emotions.

And it seems like there's a regression here. And I feel like it's because technology. People are so stuck in their phones and stuff that it does control you. It brainwashes you. It gets you. It seeps into your consciousness where you start acting the way they want you to act, not the way you probably should be acting. Yeah.

I think there's a lot of influence to worry about. So we'll see. Our kids are the first generation that are growing up in it. We'll see what their kids are like, what they've learned from it, when they raise their next generation of people that are, It's 100% of influence like that. So we'll see.

How do you do? Go ahead. I'm sorry. I was going to say, I think overall it's more positive than negative. I really, I think that I'd rather see a mankind with that's in touch with each other. Because even if it's turbulent, even if times or, you know,

even if it's a negative influence now, over time we'll adapt to the negative. And we'll have the ability to, you know, I think it's a better thing that people have access to information and each other. Each other is the best info. Yeah, coming from your perspective and what you've been through and what you've seen and stuff, I can see how you come to that conclusion because you've been exposed to other civilizations

and advanced technologies and seeing what those advanced technologies have done for those civilizations. For somebody like me on my side of it, I'm just like some of it I just want to throw back into the bottomless pit, you know, and just let it rot there. But at the same time, I mean, like, I owe technology a huge debt of gratitude for just where I'm at my own life. You know, if it wasn't for the technology that we have access to, the people wouldn't know who I am. They wouldn't, I wouldn't have a show, you know, and all that stuff. So, I mean, it's like a catch-22 with me. It's like I hate it, but I also love it, you know, I need it, but I hate it.

So I'm in that transition, you know, like it's that transition. Maybe you're right. The next generation won't be having the same structure. that I have right now with technology, they're just like, it is part of my foundation. Yeah, we'll adapt. We'll adapt to it as a, I will say this about, so, you know, I don't think about it when we're just shooting a breeze like this because there are a couple of guys, but when you say, you remind me of my time and space and how, how I've seen it, I'll tell you this, that brought something to mind was that everybody, all of the, even the government,

even the military people on serious colony and Mars colony, everybody had, um, had, um, had, um, advanced civilizations that we aspire to, that we were in awe of. There are civilizations out there. There are beings out there that have such a command of their environment and technology. They have technology that's so far advanced of what they had that we know that there's virtual paradises of existence for beings. And they have their own problems. They have their own problem.

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basically the bad guys. They classified life forms by the amount of words they could speak. And so we're at like $100,000 or something. And so that's our human. And then they had like a meta, the next, I forget the ultra human, Uber human, meta human. Anyhow, after you got up, there was something like that. Like Facebook's meta?

No, like a way like a like a like three tiers above. The next one. The reason why I say that is tongue in cheek because I was going to ask you is Mark Zuckerberg in alien because he looks like he could be one of those big tech alien guys. You know what I want to say. So I'm going to say that I don't know. I don't want to say anything to get myself in hot water talking about Zuck. Yeah. But to me it looks like his personality completely changed.

I think he got taken and put it through his own trauma-based mind control. I can see it. There's times on him when you. see a thousand yards stair. He looks like a school shooter. And I hate using those for I hate using those strong words. But there's times he has that thousand yards stare. It looks like he's not even in this. He's not even home in there. And so he would be somebody. He's very powerful. It would be a government a government player who has access to mind control technology, which is not new. They've been doing the Manchurian candidate for a long time. I've got to point fingers, but it's obvious. And could

that's somebody that you would want to take in mind, mind break, mind fracture and then mind control them. All of the corporate guys could be like that. And that's what I smell on when I see Mark Zuckerberg and talking publicly. It's like there's like there. And he wasn't like that. When Facebook took off, he was very bright and flamblyant, but what's the word? Charismatic. He was a charismatic and colorful person.

And he turned into a gray person. You know what I'm saying? And that's like, that's what mind control does. That's what trauma-based mind control does to somebody. So that's my own personal observant, right? I'm not going on the record here, but I'm saying that's my personal opinion. That's what it looks like.

But I don't know more. I don't know him and I don't follow any of his interviews or anything like that. I don't. Yeah, I mean, me neither and stuff. But when you say such things, it does have, you know, a very much Kanye West type vibe where Kanye West, you see him staring off into space and he just seems very distant.

His character has changed immensely over the years to the point that people say he's crazy and all this stuff. And I mean, I'm not a big fan of the guy. I think there's a lot of shady stuff that goes on within these industries and music industry, Hollywood, obviously the things that you've been through and have seen. But it, you know, it does seem like there are two different people and what has changed. You know, could it be that it's simply the pressure of running these kind of organizations just sucks the life out of you, maybe?

But given what we've been talking about and how you've, mentioned about the higher you go into these organizations and stuff, that there's actual interaction where there's ET working within these organizations and making decisions. It's also, when you're thinking along those lines, it's really not that hard to make that connection. Yeah, there is a level of society in the world. And these are people that are very elite people, and it could Hollywood, definitely, but as Hollywood, don't, you know, kind of don't get me started on them. but there's a level of people that have access to the space, to space, to intergalactic, you know, programs.

I call them programs, but I'm saying that culture, to the intergalactic cultures, people have access to it. And so they're doing stuff on Earth with that kind of influence. So they're way ahead. And the mind control, the trauma-based mind control, you know, I'm not going out far on a limb. There's plenty of evidence to go research it. Oh, yeah.

It's one of those things that people go, yeah, I don't think so, but it's like, you know, they've been at it for a long time, a very, very long time. And they're very good at it. The only reason why somebody would say, yeah, I don't think so is because you didn't, I don't think you looked into it. Because if you actually looked into it and you actually read documents from the government spelling it out for you, they admit they've done this. When you have the president of the United States apologizing for MK Ultra programming,

you can't say, yeah, I don't think so. You know, at some point you're like, okay, I guess you're right. Yeah. We're all under mind control. So think about this. So, right, you're younger than me. But when you were young, there was still not the violence. Remember, you know, on cable TV, it was like, or even on television, they all had like more sexuality.

And now it's all violence. Like literally, I can turn on my TV and in 30 seconds flip through channels and watch somebody get murdered. Really. And almost any form of television, of, you know what I'm saying? any form of entertainment now, it's like violent. Because that's a form of mind control. What that does is that in your subconscious doesn't know the difference of your violence you're watching is real or not. And over time, because of the long, you know, you're prolonged that your subconscious act and shell shock,

the result is that it makes people think that they're hopeless. If you watch a lot of violence, you have an underlying feeling of helplessness. And you look at all these people, you know what I'm saying, that we're not talking about more stuff. We're talking about politics again. But people, you know, people feel helpless. Like people stay,

live at home with their parents much longer than they ever did. And it's the, it's a form of mind control. It's a, you know, it keeps people docile and not feeling like they can manipulate, not feeling like they can manifest whatever they want. When you watch the violence on TV,

that's the end result. It'll kill what your desire is to manage, to work for what you want because you feel hopeless. They, it's, there's dissent. desensitization, for sure, when you look at TV programs that were produced just late 90s, early 2000s, like, if you go back and watch me, like, oh, yeah, that was such a good show.

Let me check that out. And all of a sudden, you're like, this is corny. This is why this isn't, this isn't even look real. Why did I ever think this was good? And it's because they've always been upping the bar, upping the bar to desensitize and get you closer to this idea of maybe what's really actually happening around us and stuff so that when it starts really seeping into right in front of your face for real, it's not that surprising.

You know, I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, I just get, there's times when I set out, there's nights where I set out to watch TV or something, you know, and I got it prime and all Netflix and all that stuff. And a lot,

quite a bit of, quite a bit of entertainment available. And I can't find anything that's not violent. Yeah. Like, I look for it and it's very hard, it's very hard to find a good, a good non-violent show.

Let me ask you about this. So we're talking about TV shows, the violence, and you said you had Netflix, right? Yeah, the kids for the kids. Okay. I watch it, but I watch it, but very rarely. So I don't watch a ton of TV, but whenever I do,

the only reason why I have cables because I like watching the Sixers play basketball. That's the only reason why. Whenever I watch a TV show, it's usually on Netflix, and whenever I go to Netflix, the algorithm knows me. it knows what I like.

I get a lot of satanic, uh, witchcraft type shows that come to me on, on suggested TV shows. And I watch them because, uh, it's kind of what I do. I,

I look into this kind of stuff and I'm very interested in it. And I'm also interested in how Hollywood puts this kind of stuff into our, our psyche and because it's actually going on and all that kind of stuff. What are your thoughts on, on these kind of TV shows then? Do you think that it's more real than fake? Because I personally do. Some of the things that I see in these TV shows,

I'm like, I know 95% of the people watching this right now think this is a well-written TV show, and it's all fantasy. And I'm sitting here thinking, I've talked to way too many people who have gone through this exact thing to know otherwise. You can start to see a slipping, like you can start to see the beginning of it,

of them trying to normalize that society. We're talking about a society of satanic worshipping elites, carnivore people that are pedophiles. Exactly. And there really is. We're starting to see, you know what I mean? Not so fast because-sexualizing high schoolers and TV shows is very popular right now. Absolutely. And the normalizing pedophilia.

Normalizing. We're starting to see a little bit, not a great, not a great push, but we're starting to see just little sprinkles here and there like, well, is it really bad? You know, like they come out and there's people that are trying to say ways to deal with it. And what they're doing is they're getting it out there and they're going to slowly try to normalize their own horrible behavior. And then so we've already seen our society change in the last few years from what we thought it was to what it is now.

And so when we see these kind of changes, where are people going to draw the line or are people going to accept it? I would say that the diversity of life throughout the cosmos, if we're talking about a post-disclosure world, people are going to be appalled. If we disclosed right now and you could access the intergalactic internet and speak to ETs and chat rooms and look at their movies, watch their videos,

if you could watch an E.T. TikTok, you would be appalled by some of them because their cultural and moral standards are different than ours. because we've been programmed under a lot of our morals are just control mechanisms. But throughout the cosmos, different control mechanisms are necessary. And that was my understanding was that many ET races behave in ways that we would consider horrible. You know, I don't really have a ton of examples to give you. You know, I'll stop my head, but like some are more violent, some are more loose about possessions.

so they'll just take your stuff and not feel bad about it. Some are sexually different that we would consider perverted. And so there has to be some kind of, you know, because our morals really, when you go into like a full on whatever religion that, you know, the top religions in the world right now, if you fully follow them, the morals are very strict. And so an ET might be, you know what I mean? Like, if we have racism now, think about a hyper form of species.

racism that takes the form of racism because of moral standards that are that are incompatible. And that's going to happen, you know, in a post-disclosure world. And so we're starting to see some of that. And I'm not trying to give the satanic, like you said, the Netflix, the satanically, I'm not trying to give them a pass and say that, you know, we have to accept it for what it is because clearly a child's right needs to be preserved. Like our right to be, have our door knocked on and participate in a, ET interaction, not taken out of our bedroom and not taken as a child without the parent.

You know what I'm saying? Like, we have rights that need to be defended in the coming year, coming decades. We're going to have rights that are going to have to be well-defined that they have not been respected by our elite and by ET races that are manipulating our elite. And so that's kind of a big deal. Like you said, I see the programming like on your identity, like I see the programming trying to normalize things that we should not normalize. And I feel like a lot of things are going in a good direction.

I think our next generation of kids, and I watch my young, my kids that are in their early 20s and their late teens, they're very more, what's the word accepting, you know what I'm saying? Like not as close-minded about cultural things as my generation was told to be. So,

and I see it as a positive step. I see they're manipulated. They're totally like, line and sinker being led around by the establishment, but I see a lot of the overall thinking of acceptance of things. They're far more accepting than we were. I'm going to be 50 in a couple months. So I was born in 72. So I grew up through the 80s and 90s. And so it was a different culture, man, you know, back then. So I'm seeing, we're seeing positive things, but they're good, careful. They're going to try to put things. They're going to try to normalize things that shouldn't

as well. So it's kind of like a line. And time will tell. Yeah. I mean, it's, for me, it's a, I'm a black, I just found this out. I'm a black pill person. I, I didn't even know what a black pill was until recently. There's the red pill. And then there's the black pill, which is you're red pill, but you're so red pill that you feel like there's no hope. And that's, that's what I tend to be very pessimistic. And so, uh, I'm sure you, you, probably gotten that vibe from me just talking to me and stuff. I'm just like... Not at all.

I'm just like... I see issues and my mind automatically starts doing the domino effect of seeing, okay, if this is happening now, what's the next step they're going to do? Down, down, down, down. And that's why I'm just like, you know, I get kind of emotional at times where it's like... Talk about charismatic. I get pretty loud sometimes. But anyways, I have the similar...

opinion as you, I think there are some good things and some bad things. But I definitely think that if they are, if they have any kind of inkling of manipulation on the future generation, I personally lean towards ultimately, I think it's just going to be bad in the sense of individuality. Because if the future generations are manipulated at all, it's not like these organizations or these, whoever they are, is going to relinquish any of that. And so they're just going to continue doing it to the point where these future generations are manipulated into everything that they want to be manipulated into. And there's no individuality. There is no, what do I think?

It's just what is the hive think? I don't like that idea. But maybe I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I got two kids. I have a three year old, a four year old and a one year old. I don't want to be wrong on this. I really do.

Sure. Yeah. I would imagine. I'm ever hopeful. Like I said, so, you know, this goes back to like a,

that culture when I said that they really aspired that we were aware that there were more advanced beings that had solved all the problems that we're thinking about. And we got, I have to personally just remain hopeful that mankind is heading in that direction that in a few million years, we're going to be so advanced that none of this is going to matter. Do you get, I mean, like, we're, that we're going to keep advancing and keep it. And this is, these are like growth pains, what we're going through. Like the high, if there was a hive mind, then sooner or later, I have faith in humanity

that they would figure it out and shake it off and keep advancing. You get what I'm saying? I feel like our growth can't be stopped. And so no matter what bad thing happens to us,

mankind will grow and eventually get to that point where these beings were very advanced. They could manipulate things with their minds, like change items. They could change your cup

into a ball or a flower. They could manipulate reality. And they were very advanced. They were very advanced and they were very long living and they were people. So, you know, like I said, the scale went on numbers of words that a being could speak. And after a certain level, it wasn't words anymore. It was like millions of words worth of data that they communicate to each other and to other beings. So when if you met one, the communication would be a great deal of information in a very short time, years of information, years of your memories versus years of their memories in just a few moments in a conversation.

And that's the level of consciousness that we aspire, we should aspire to be. But that's another part of the illusion, as we've been told that we're the top of the food chain and that's it. And you know what I mean? Like you're just going to be a good person and be reborn. And, you know, like the religions say that you're the top of the food chain. And that's not the truth. There are many other steps in consciousness, in the growth of our consciousness that's going to have to happen that are worth looking forward to. That if we knew about it, would give us faith.

It would get rid of the black pill altogether. You'd get rid of the black bill because you have faith in what's happening in the process, you know, trusting the process. Even though the bad guys win the battle, they don't win the war. And it's all about growth. Like I said, you know, I like to think about it like, you know, a seed, you plant a seed, and you put a sidewalk over it. and seed comes growing up through the sidewalk. You know, it doesn't stop. The growth is far more powerful than...

But what about... What if... I mean, there has to be civilizations out there then that they failed in the process and they didn't advance to another level, right? I mean, yeah, I'm sure. There has to be some kind of civilization out there was just like, they were just stupid

and they don't exist anymore. Could that be us? Many. Yes. probably many. But we, I, you know, now we're now we're getting real philosophical is I got to think that we're all, we're all kind of part of the, you know, we're not just on our own on the earth, right? So that if all humans died off that our consciousness would, would move somewhere where we could thrive, move somewhere else. And that's kind of the, that's kind of the gist of what

we're seeing going on right now is, you know, and I hate to point fingers and say good guy or bad guy, but the winds are blowing that they, people, they want to have public space programs that go to near the Mars and the moon and start branching out and putting mankind up there publicly. And that is a disclosure. And so those are steps to bring us up to speed to where we're not, so that if ETs do contact us and they do have a full E.T disclosure, the general populace can understand what they're talking about when we already have a foothold in space. You know, most people, there's a lot of people that have a shocking amount of ignorance about space and nature. In fact, nature that you live, your situation that you live in right now. Our situation that we

live on right now is in space. The nature extends far beyond the sky. And very, very many people are ignorant of really what space is, is consist of. And they think it's just a small thing up there and that the whole world is everything. And really, it's a popular, you ask people, a lot of rudimentary space questions and they don't. You get a lot of dumb answers. Sorry. Sorry, people. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy, please share the show with your friends. I don't care where or how you share the show. Just share the show if you enjoyed it because that's the best thing you can do to help the show grow. Share the show. And if you're on YouTube, don't forget to give me a thumbs up and a happy comment

in the comments section. If you enjoyed it, hey, if you hated the show, give it a thumbs down and a bad comment in the comment section. I don't care either way. It works for me. And until next week, friends, stay safe, take care, and remember. The truth is such a free. But first, it'll piss you off. Bye. Very many people are ignorant of really what space is consist of, and they think it's just a

small thing up there and that the whole world is everything. And really, it's a popular. You ask people a lot of rudimentary space questions, and you get a lot of dumb answers. Sorry. Sorry, people. No, I mean, I think that's, I would expect that to be honest with you. I mean, like space, even

on the collective conscious level, is so, I mean, relatively new in the sense of, you know, how long people have been looking to space as somewhere where you can go, but also the seriousness of it when it comes to, like, you know, space force. I mean, that, that was like, when that came out, it was like, everybody's like, what? You know, like, what do we need a space force for? And I'm thinking, Tony Rodriguez, Tony Rodriguez. Tony Rodriguez. You're talking about me. Cool. I'm like, he said this stuff. But, yeah, listen, we were talking about a bunch of stuff in the beginning.

And I could go on and on here. But you did mention something before we started recording that I did want to talk about because you mentioned it. And that was what's happening with people that are coming forward now. And I guess I forget the term you use and stuff. I guess there's something

that's happening with people in their memories or something of that. So it's flattering that it seems to be that there is a disinformation campaign about the 20 and, I could call it 20 and back. These are, you know, It's not exactly what it is. The UFOology of secret space programs,

people that are taken into these programs and do a career return or the 20 and back. That are taken and then put back the same night. So there's a lot of people that are coming forward now, but it's flattering that there is clearly a

disinformation campaign going on. So I've done talks in Vegas recently Detroit. Mount Shasta, went to California. I'm going to made them, St. Louis to space program conference. And we're starting to see this information really happen. So, I mean, like, in the last few years, like, really just go, just take off.

And that's flattering because you're on somebody's radar if they got to spend money and effort to try to do that. But we're starting to see people that are coming forward that have no memories at all. They're saying, I'm saying, you know, guys come up and go, yeah, I was this, I was that, I was super soldier. And I'm like, well, what do you remember? What do you tell me about something you remember? Like, I don't remember anything.

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