The Confessionals - RELOADED | 412: Reservation Alien Abduction

Episode Date: September 2, 2024

In Episode 412: Reservation Alien Abduction, we are joined by Jamaal for a third time to tell his stories from the reservation. He previously joined us on Episode 315: Skinwalkers On The Reservation and on Episode 339: Goatman Found Us. Now on Episode 412, he tells us stories about little people on the reservation, more skinwalker accounts, and seeing a five-foot-tall alien through his window when he was just a kid. After waking up with marks on his body, Jamaal began to think he had possibly become part of an abduction scenario.MEET TONY AT:9/4 - 9/7 - PhenomeCon: https://linktr.ee/merkelmediaSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comThe Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinAFFILIATESGo Silent with SLNT Faraday Bags: https://alnk.to/clXuRY5EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase!SPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducer

Merkel. Media. I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine? Out of a Dolion? Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves.

Time travel is possible. This was all circulating around the base that, A giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. Long, bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast.

And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Yes. Somebody else. Shoot them in the face. Shoot them in the face. They basically decapitated. Over, and there are two. Push, because I know I'm seeing a monster.

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life on the reservation. So let's get to Jamal right now. All right, today we got Jamal returning to the show, my man. How you doing? Good. How you doing, Johnny? I'm doing, man. Listen, three times on the show, I think that you are an elite company with the confessionals. I can't think of anybody who we've had on three times that wasn't like an author or something like that. I know we've had Charlie. Robinson on a few times, but, you know, he's written, he's wrote in a book, he has a podcast, all that stuff. Man, your stories are jaw-dropping. I remember when I was first hearing you talked to me the very first time, I'm sitting here and my jaw is just like on the desk in front of

me. Jamal, before we get into the thick of it with, you know, some of the other topics we're going to be covering, could you just let people know, we've done two episodes already? Tell them the topics that we cover. You don't need to go deep into stories or anything. Just, you know, give them a thousand-foot view of what we talked about. Okay. Yeah. So I think on the last interview, we first started off with my Sasquot stories and all the stuff that I've seen, the stories that I've collected and shared and my personal goat man story

that happened to me when I was younger. That one was pretty intense. And then before that was all mainly full. focused around skin walkers and all the stories that I've had with those because I've been out there a couple of times trying to look for evidence of skin walkers. And I've come back with a lot of stories and it's great. You sure have, man. Dude, you have so many freaking stories. And it seems like every single one is just, it's just freaking awesome, dude. Like, I mean, I say that and every time I say that, I think, I shouldn't say that because people who actually go through this stuff

is not awesome for them. But for me, the person hearing these stories, I'm just like, holy crap. So I know that there's a lot of different, I guess, thoughts and opinions as to how to go about that topic when it comes to the natives. So, I mean, I've been told that you're not supposed to even mention the term skin washer. Is that how I feel? I mean, like, growing up, you know, my grandparents, my parents, aunts and uncles, they've always told me, you know, hey, don't talk about skin walkers. And, you know, I was always kind of like curious to why. So I would always ask why. The only response is, yeah, like if you talk about them, then it invites them into your life and they're free to do whatever they want to you. And, you know, I've always wanted

to challenge the topic. I would always talk about Sandwalkers with anybody that is open to talking about it. And so far, nothing really bad has happened. Well, that's good, man, because I like hearing your story. So I have a feeling if something bad would happen, you probably stopped talking about it. Yeah. But, yeah, not yet. Yeah.

So that was interesting. And I know you mentioned a couple of other things in that message. And maybe we'll get to it. But I want to make sure we make some time here because I want you to go into that experience you had where the alien experience. I mean, I don't know what else to call it other than that. And I find these kind of encounters interesting because a lot of times people describe them. And obviously, everybody has their own individual story. But there's a lot of similarities and people's experiences when it comes to these things.

Yeah. All right. Yeah. Whenever you're ready, we can get into that. Right now, brother, go for it. Okay, so the aliens story. So now I'm a big fan of sci-fi movies. And the topic of aliens is kind of always on my mind.

Always been on my mind. But this happened probably around the early 2000, so in 2002, 3, 4. I haven't noted here. No, okay, it's between 2003 and 2005. And so I had my own room. We lived in a place called Two Great Hills. My family still lives in that area. But we live in this house.

And one night, I believe it was a weekend. I think I noted it down. It was dark. It was dark. It was an evening time. I was tired, so I wanted to go to sleep a little early. So that's what I did. I told her, I'm going to bed. I'll see you all tomorrow. So I went to my room, laid down for a little bit, and kind of just, you know, I had some thoughts going through my head. And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, well, actually, I should back to actually just to describe the room that I'm in. So it's a pretty standard room. It's rectangular shaped, right?

back then I preferred sleeping on the floor rather than on a bed. So I had a mattress just on the floor because that's how I liked it. So I had my mattress in the corner of a room, right? So we'll say this is the corner of my room. And right here is where the window was. And my door is just opposite of the window. And I'm sleeping in this little corner over here. And then so here's the window.

And outside they have these like, yellow, orange street lights. There's one right next to my window, so it kind of cast light against the window. So it's just like the window's just glowing orange, right? And I'm just laying on my bed, and this is around like 9, 10 p.m. And all of a sudden,

I turned to look toward the window, and there's this figure standing there's about four, four and a half feet tall. It's pretty short. It's pretty short. For me, it's short. But it was a little taller than I was at the time. And it, it, it was on, so when I first saw, it looked like it was on the outside of the window, right?

And when I was looking at it, I was kind of taking all the features of it because I was kind of rooted out by what I was seeing. and you know my first thought was maybe is my my friend or something maybe he's at my window or something but I didn't go up to the window to check I just kind of was you know in shock or whatever I was just kind of scared and what I noticed on the figure what I was seeing was it was a pretty slender like body not necessarily skinny, but it was slender in a way and it had a pretty big size head

but it wasn't like huge but yeah it was just standing outside my window and and as I kept staring at it I noticed that it looked like it was moving closer without actually moving, if that makes any sense. So, like, it looked like it kind of was on the outside,

and it shifted through the window and was now in my room looking down at me. But the size of the figure didn't change at all, so it was still the same size as it was outside my window as it was inside. and I'm just staring at this thing, you know, full force, just making sure it's not going to do anything kind of sketchy. And I'm just kind of like, you know, frozen with fear. I think I was, you know, terrified.

And then all of a sudden, in the instant, I'm waking up in the morning. My parents are cooking breakfast and it's time to get up, get ready for the day. And I thought that was weird. and, you know, I was thinking the whole time, like, hey, maybe it's just a dream. Maybe I went to my room, went to bed, and fell asleep, like, right then and there, and that whole thing was a dream. But it felt, like, felt too real to be a dream. And I guess a couple of days later, maybe a week, a week and a half, I was in school, I was in class, and I feel as like, bump on the back of my ear.

So I had an itch on my head. So I kind of reached up to scratch it. It was actually on the left side or the right side. And I noted it down. I noted it down. Yeah, I was on the right side of my ear. Yeah. So I had an itch back there.

So I went to go itch it. And then I noticed the weird bump behind my ear. It looked like a, it felt like a. So at the time, I was thinking like it was like a pill or something because I know pills are kind of shaped like a weird. shape like that. And that's what I thought it was at the time. Like, oh, there's a pill in my ear or something because I've never heard of like, those pins or implants that they do, right?

I didn't find out about that stuff until later on. But I felt this bump behind my ear and it was really weird. And I try to get my friends to take a look at it to see if there was like, if there was like a bit by something and they just said no, that they couldn't see anything. and then so it was there for any two weeks right

this is a bump in the back of my head or my ear and I couldn't figure it out for the longest time and just one day I wake up and I just go to see

if that bump is still there and it's gone like it's just like so I felt it there was no bump It was just completely gone. And, you know, later on in life, I started to research aliens more.

I didn't know about the whole abductions thing, abduction thing back then or like the chips they implant into people. I don't know if I was necessarily abducted. But like I said, that night, I just saw the thing. It shifted into my room. And all of a sudden, I'm out and I'm waking up in the morning. and it's time to get ready for the day. So that was, it was pretty weird, pretty weird experience. Yeah, I'd say it was weird.

So, I mean, do you think that you were abducted then? I mean, to me, from the outside looking at, it sounds like you were abducted. Yeah, I mean, it's a possibility that I was abducted. But it's not something that I'm pushing for myself to believe that I was abducted. but looking at all aspects of the situation it does really does it does seem like I was abducted but I think I'm in that denial phase like I don't think I was abducted so yeah you don't want to believe it I understand I wouldn't want to believe it either so uh so with that said I'm not exactly sure as far as my memory goes if we covered this on any of the other episodes I think

we would have, but we could always touch on it again. Do you think that these experiences you've had have anything to do with being Navajo and living on a reservation? Yeah, I think so. I mean, there's a lot of strange things that happen on the reservation as far as like spirits, aliens Sasquatch Goatman there's just like a lot of strange things that happen on the reservation

that have kind of built up over the years yeah I think it might be because you know I am Native American and being on the reservation you tend to experience a lot of strange

happenings now. Yeah, and that's what I mean, that's something that I've heard, obviously. And, you know, just judging by all the experiences you've had, it just seems like it's got to have something to do with it, you know? Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. And I've always been interested in all these topics as I started growing like older and started to understand you.

So, you know, I would intentionally go out there and try to look for these things. and I would go like almost nightly on weekends. I would go every night on the weekends just to see if I can see something. Because going there once isn't enough. I have to go there multiple times just to try to get something out of it in a way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So you're kind of asking for it in a sense. Yeah, pretty much. Well, you have other experiences here. And let's just start off. with the little people. Is this like little people that live on the reservation? Is it like a whole group of them or what? I'm not sure. There's certain people that have seen it. I know my sister, my youngest sister's ex has seen them before. I've seen them before. Have a friend of mine who's seen them before. But basically there's.

these people and they're like this tall really and that's like about a maybe 12 and a half 12 and a half the foot and a half the foot and half and yeah they're they're seeing all over the reservation uh in different areas uh i mean like so the same aunt the story i told you just earlier about the skin walkers even with her. Her and her kids, you know, their cousins are older than me, so they would babysit us and me and my sisters when we were younger. And they would always tell us, say, don't go into the ditches. There's leprechauns that live there.

And in my head, you know, like, I knew what a leprechaun was. And I was like, there's leprechauns on the reservation. Like, it don't make any sense. But yeah, they would always say, like, there's leprechaun. and I tell them like, what do you mean leprechauns? And like, oh, they're like little people. They're very short and they're very mischievous and they're kind of mean. So be careful and don't go down into the ditch.

So I would, you know, I would stay away from the ditch at the time. So I never really like messed around with that. And then I heard this story. So there's a school not too far from where I, where I grew up. So it was two great hills. Then up the road toward mountains as a school. It's just at the bottom of the mountain.

It's the school. It's called Tolena Community School. It's a Native American boarding school. Right? So that's the school I went to from second to eighth grade. So all those years I've been there. I used to stay in the dormitory. And that's where I heard the story.

It's one of the workers who works at night. So the dormitory in the center of the building is just like the community area. So it's got a bunch of couches living. It's like a big living space, got a pool table, video games and like a small library, just like a place for all the students to hang out. And then you had the east wing and the west wing and the, East Wing or the West Wing was the boy side and the East Wing is the girl's side. And so there would be a night worker, you have one of the night workers, night staffs who would just make sure that the students stay asleep when they're told to go to sleep and wake up when they're supposed to wake up.

So they're there all night, just keeping watch. and it was the night worker who told us the story of one day where or one night he was putting everybody to sleep. This was like the late 90s. So it was before I was going to school there, but it was the late 90s. He's been working there for a long time. He's an older guy. And he was telling us the story of when he was. He saw these strange little people.

That's the only way he could describe it as just little people because they were very short. And he said one day he was putting all the kids to bed. There's a male and female, female for the girl's side, male for the boy side. Then after that, I think the night lady goes home and he's just there in the community area, just making sure nobody is running around or make sure everybody's. ways asleep. And so he made sure everybody was asleep. He did his rounds, making sure nobody was running around. And he goes into the community room and he sits on a couch and he's, and he's like exhausted. It's pretty late. He's pretty tired. So he goes into the community room.

He sits on a couch. And basically it's just this big room where, So it's a pretty standard room. It's squared or squared, right? So it's like a, so here's the ceiling up here and some walls. And then it kind of like goes up like that again and just windows all the way around on top of this building. Do you want me to draw it out real quick or was that a pretty good description? Yeah, that's a good description. I mean, people who are listening to the podcast,

I'm like, drawing's not going to help me at all. Yeah, but, okay, so it was an elevated ceiling, and there was windows all the way around. And he just, he just hits on the couch, and then he kind of just leans back, and he looks up. And he's, like, he's, like, surprised by what he sees, because he can't believe what he's seen, right? And he said he was like terrified and like at the same time he was just very like surprised because what he was seeing wasn't something that he thought he would ever see. And what he saw just all along those windows, it's like a full 360 all the way around, all around those windows were just a bunch of little people about a foot, a foot and a half. tall and all of them were just leaning against the window, just looking down at him. And it scared the crap out of him.

And he had no idea what to do, what was happening, what he was seeing. But just to imagine to put yourself in that situation where you're the only one awake and it's the middle of the night and to look up to see a bunch of short or small little little people just all around watching you sit down on the couch. Yeah, when he told that, that was creepy. I couldn't like, and I was kind of like shocked when he told me that. I was like, whoa, that is a story I will probably remember for the rest of my life. And if I ever get a chance to tell somebody that story, then I will more than likely tell them that story.

Because it is a, it is a terrifying and great story. and if I tell anybody that story, if you could just put yourself in that situation and imagine seeing that, yeah, I don't know. Friends, we talk about security on this show. We talk about home security, food security, survival security, and now we're talking about online security with Surfshark VPN.

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dot deals slash confessions and use my code confessinals. I was sitting here, I'm listening to tell a story and I'm thinking to myself, it's for me, at least, I'm kind of wimpy when it comes to this. I hate spiders. And it's the idea of, you know, I look at a spider. I'm like, why the heck do I hate you so much? You know, like you're just this tiny little thing, but it's the idea that it could crawl on me and I don't know.

And so I imagine seeing all those little people with similar effects like, One isn't that intimidating, but a bunch of them? I don't know, man. Did he describe them that, like, do these things have, like, clothing and tools and stuff? No, he didn't really describe what they look like. He just mainly described, like, what he experienced and what he saw. He didn't really go much into detail with these things, like war and stuff. He just said that it was very intimidating to see a lot of them. I'm looking down at him. And my little sister's ex, right, lives next to that school.

And so him growing up in that area, you know, he's been exploring around that place. And it's a pretty nice place. It's right at the bottom of the mountain, so the mountain is just there. So he would always go and like explore and like climb and hike and just explore the, explore the area that he's living in and I guess he would always come across these it gets to us it would be holes in like the ground or rocks but what he would see when he was out exploring is he would see these holes in like rocks and in the ground and he would you know, got interested to see what's in there, maybe like a fox or something or a coyote or maybe some snakes or something.

He was just curious, but he would always bring a flashlight, shine it in there. And in a couple of those holes that he found, he found like little fireplaces right at the end of it. So it was like a little like pit with a like a couple. it looked like something was burning in that little fireplace, right? And there was like little like sticks kind of just like sort like kind of surrounding it in a way. And, you know, and I think I think his father would always tell him about these things. And thankfully he never disturbed them. So he would just see them and just be like really surprised by it.

and I guess when I found out that he was finding these things I was interested so I asked him if he could show me where he found these things because I kind of want to get a picture of it just to have for myself but a couple weeks later her and him split up and

it was just awkward for me to talk to him so I never got around to that and like I thought that I thought that was the end of it in a way right but it turns out no that wasn't the end of the little people stories that I have so I guess later on the road it's probably like a freshman or sophomore in high school and staying at a friend's house and we would always like play video games, stay up late. His grandma was pretty cool about us staying up late.

And that weekend, that night she wasn't there. She's usually like spending the night at her other family's place. And that night it was just myself, my friend and his two little brothers, right? One was pretty young. And the other was young, it was young, but in his early. yeah, he's pretty young, but he's pretty crazy dude and this is the same friend

that I've experienced all the Skinwalkers and the goat man stuff with I feel kind of bad because I kind of drag him into this stuff in a way, but this is one night where we were in his room, we were playing on his PlayStation, playing some video games, and his two little brothers

are in the other room and they're supposed to be a I believe it was a Saturday night and they were asleep because they were going to get up and go to church in the morning. And we were in there playing video games and all of a sudden we just hear his youngest brother like screaming at the top of his lungs and he's running down the hall into his room. And he's like at the door and he's just like ball and just tears coming down in his face. and he's just like, you know, like, trying to breathe. You know, when kids are like terrified or they're like really hurt or something, they just do that. So he was doing that.

And he was like, so I don't know how to describe it, but I'll probably try to act it out a little bit. But his little brother comes into the room and he's just like, this Chuckie's in my room. He says he's going to. kill me. And then we were kind of like, so at the time, I knew what there's little people, and then when he told me that, I was like,

I just looked straight at my friend and I was like, I said, dude, I think it's the little people. And he lives in a place called Sheet Springs, which is about 20, 30 miles away from where two great hills and Tolian is. So, like,

when his little brother said Chucky was going to kill him, that, that kind freaked me out a little bit. I was like, what? So we pause the game, we get up, we go into his little brother's room. His other little brother is still asleep. It was weird how he kind of slept through his brother's screaming. But he's like pointing at the window and he says, like, yeah, yeah, Chuckie's coming through the window. He keeps coming in and out and saying he's going to kill me. And I better not tell anybody about him. And we were just, just like, I look at my friend and he looks at me.

He's like, yeah, it's a nightmare. You probably just had a nightmare. So you just go back to sleep and you don't worry about it. You're going to be fine. So he lays back down. But this time he lays next to his brother. This is his little brother that was still asleep. So he lays next to them.

So shake his other brother awake and just say, hey, your brother's going to sleep next to you. Just keep an eye out. and dude half asleep just says yeah okay fine whatever so we go back to my friend's room and we have the door slightly open

so unpause the game and continue playing our games and not even not even two, three minutes go by and his little brother is screaming again and he says and this time he's screaming really loud at the top of his lungs that

Chuckie's going to kill me and so me and my friend we didn't even think about pausing the game we just chucked the controllers down ran to the room turned on the light and at the window there was this thing like it was this tall

and it just like looked back at us and just jumped through the window and yeah we were both looking at each other and like what the fuck did we just say what you know there were no words

to describe what we were seeing at that moment it and like I didn't think I was going to see it I don't think he was thinking that he was going to see something like that in his house and um yeah the thinking back to it it's pretty terrifying in a way I mean like it not really used you I mean like if you saw something like that you wouldn't know what to do it's not something you would think you would see and We were shocked and we were just staring at the window because we weren't sure if it was going to come back. And my friend looks toward his brother and he just says, it's like, are you okay? Like, what was that?

And he's like, it was Chuckie. He said he was going to kill me. So what we did at that moment, the only thing we could think to do, we just went to that window that we saw it jump out of. and then we just completely shut it. And we locked it and then we kind of piled some stuff next to the window just to make sure that it wouldn't open again. And we were just looking at his little brother and we're trying to calm him down. And at the same time, like, you know, I'm like, waiting on the side just like, because I want to talk about it. But we just, he just tells his little brother that is his nightmare, just,

go back to sleep. You're fine. And you closed the window. We blocked it. You don't have to worry about anything. And then we go back. And he finally goes to sleep. So we go back to my friend's room. And then we're just like, you know, like, we're like whisper yelling at each other. It's like, can you believe what we saw? Like, what the fuck was that? It's like, I can't believe he saw something. Like, this is just like, it's like, yeah, I knew it was like, like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I don't think I had no idea that I was going to see. something like this, like ever and just to have the opportunity. Like, and for me, I'm excited to see this.

I mean, for him and his little brother, they're kind of like in shock. I'm in shock too, but I'm also like really excited that I got, got to see one of these things. And that was really creepy. And then just the fact that, uh, his little brother was calling the, the little person, Chuckie, that was, that was pretty, that was pretty, tricky. And at the same time, I guess, in that same like time frame as a friend who lives like across the street from where my friend lives, and when I say across the street, it's about a half a mile away. So there's like housing complex here. And then there's like another

one across the road. But apparently she's been experiencing stuff like that as well where she would be asleep and she would hear like pots and pans and cups like falling off the counters and stuff cabinets opening refrigerators opening and uh when she was telling me about this and i was in top of my head i was thinking ghosts like oh do you have like a ghost or is like your house haunted or something and she was like no we don't have any ghosts in this place and she was like it's actually uh little people and oh like when she told me that i just look straight at it and it's like pretty serious? Like, she's like, yeah. So apparently it's not the, it happens every other night where things are thrown like around in her kitchen. And she would go in there and she would see

these things jumping around on the shelves, on the countertops, like boosting each other up to the things they're trying to scavenge or something. And I guess it got so, like, annoying to her and she got so used to it that she didn't even, like, bother it. Whenever she would hear, like, stuff, like, going on in the kitchen, she would just ignore it. Just make sure her door's locked. And in the morning, she would wake up and clean up the mess that they made. Yeah.

So the little people are a real issue around there. To say the little. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, they're, like, mischievous. They're rude. they're pretty mean and I'm just happy

that I got to see one in person So these little people you said that they were going into this kid's room and bother him and saying threatening things to him so I guess

are they just like normal looking people just really tiny like a foot to a foot and a half tall? Yeah I'm pretty confident that they're like pretty average, like normal people. And in my thinking, like, you know, they spoke, they spoke English, which was, like, I mean, it's not surprised to me, because if you're, if you're, if these things have been out there

for so long and they're picking up the language and they're understanding it in their, in their way, and they might not know, no, like, full, like, vocabulary. but they know bits and pieces here and there. So, um, and, uh, do you want me to describe what I saw the little guy? I was just going to ask you if you could tell me exactly what you saw,

uh, because going back to what you said about the language, it doesn't surprise me that in the sense that this, these are little people. They clearly have the ability to maneuver throughout, you know, your area and stuff being relatively undetected. and who's to say that they don't, you know, sit next to windows, hear you talking all the time.

And I would imagine they could pick up the language and stuff, at least phraseology. But what did you see? Okay. So, yeah, like I said, it was about a foot, about a foot tall, a little tall than a foot. And it had, like, it had a shirt on, but it was kind of like, it looked like it was made out of like, like a, like a bigger shirt or something like it was just like a cloth and they kind of just tore it up and put it on itself in a way um and it it didn't have like full like pants it just looked like it had like a little like thing just to cover up like the goods in a way so it's like junk it would

it covered that up and it had like a little like cloth shirt that was like poorly put together And it had a stick like in its hand, right? It wasn't necessarily a spear, right? Because it didn't look like it was like crafted into a spear, just like it was holding a stick. And the best way I can describe it is like it looked like a little like Native American person. Like they're not like necessarily like, living they're kind of like modernized

in a way like all the stuff that is like not to like hate on like the reservation and stuff but there's a lot of like trash and stuff on the side of the roads

and outside everywhere on the reservation so I'm pretty sure they're picking up like trash digging through them and like finding like fabric they can use to like fabricate their own clothing out of and yeah it was the best way I can describe it was the native,

it looked like a short Native American, like a very small Native American with kind of poorly put together like outfit. So when you describe the stick that it's holding, now what I think of is hikers. When hikers go out hiking in tough terrain, where they do, they have hiking sticks. And it doesn't matter if you're an old man or a young guy,

if you're in a rough terrain, you usually have a hiking stick. or two. Now, if these things are a foot to foot and a half tall and they're climbing through windows and stuff, I imagine just having a stick on you is probably a handy tool. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And the stick that he had is probably like around like this, this long. So it wasn't that that big of a stick. And, you know, looking back at it now, I'm just like thinking about it. And it's like, oh, it's kind of cute. Like, yeah.

So, like, that was the only time I saw, saw these things. Other than that, that's, I've never, like, history in-to-hand, like, in-person ever again, these, I'd ever seen these things again, only because lately I haven't been, like, out and exploring the reservations on lockdown, so we're not allowed there after nine. to five in the morning and all weekends it's on complete lockdown 57 hours so uh if i could go back out there and try to see some of these things like again i would but right now it's not looking

so hot with everything going on in the world the pandemic and everything so who yeah so this isn't anything to do with what we're talking about but you just mentioned it uh the reservation gets locked down on the weekends for 57 hours Yeah. So, it might be like 56. I might be 56, but so on Fridays at 9 p.m., the reservation goes on lockdown. And you're not allowed to leave your homes or visit other family or travel on the roads all weekend until Monday at 5 a.m. in the morning. What do you do for your time? I mean, I would get bored. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it's been going on for so long. And, like, uh, honestly, like, at first I was kind of the, like,

against it because I kind of wanted to go out there and visit my family and stuff. But, like, like, the rising numbers of like the COVID cases on the reservation. Uh, uh,

I mean, like, the sub, like, like, in a way, like, I don't want to be, like, mean, but I got to say it. Some people are dumb, and they still hold, like, family gatherings and stuff. And it's just stupid in a way.

And, you know, I, in my thinking, I wish they were just, you know, like, you know, just listen to what they're saying and just, you know, stay home, avoid large gatherings of people. but even then so honestly like so in the beginning it was taken pretty seriously because there was like a $1,000 fine if you were caught driving around on the reservation when you're not supposed to

but now people are kind of they kind of they kind of just stopped caring in a way they just stopped caring by getting in trouble so people are traveling like into town and back to the reservation, visiting family members. And I think the, I don't know if this, I don't know if I got in trouble for saying this, but the cops aren't really doing anything about

it either. I think they're tired of like the lockdown to as well. And then being that the reservation is so huge and the Navajo reservation is pretty huge. And that's, there's about 300,000 Avaise out there and there's only like a handful of cops and there's so spread out that I think it's just too much work to control everybody

and yeah you know it almost sounds like I could do a whole show just talking about what it's like living on a reservation that large I mean imagine there's got to be stories I mean just with the idea that the police are stretched so thin it sounds like you can get away a lot of stuff Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, uh, thankfully, I don't live on the reservation, so I don't have to worry about that. I live just off the reservation, but, uh, yeah, my family, they go through all that. They, they, they kind of tend to have a hard time because they got to do everything during the week and during the week it's exhausting because they got to work as well. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. You know, I think it's one of those things where people feel like, well, if I'm going to die, I'm going to die with my family.

So talk to me about the witch with your aunt. I know you mentioned about that before we started and stuff. I want to make sure we have time to talk about that. Oh, yeah, the Levitian Witch. Yeah. So this story is great. And then, so, okay, so this is my aunt. She lives in Colorado.

This is a different aunt from the story I told earlier. This is my mom's sister. Right. And she lives in Colorado now, but before when she was younger, probably like 10 or 11, she, her, my grandma, they used to live in Sanosty. That's where like my family is from, I guess, on my mom's side. Well, so my aunt and her two brothers would stay at, their grandma's place, my great grandma's place. And, you know, her brothers would, you know, do yard work and just fix up the area. And my aunt, one day was just, you know, like, okay, I'm going to go play in the ditch since it's just right there.

And the ditch is probably, well, it's really, it's not that far from their place. I'm not really like good with distance but it wasn't that far from her place but so my hand goes into the ditch and she's playing down there she's you know

being growing up not having much you know you just make use of what you got so sticks rocks dirt whatever she could do with that she was playing with that she would just like build like little like a little like a little

town with sticks and rocks and you know just play like swords with sticks or something. Just, you know, imagination going wild down there. And she was down in this ditch and there's more like a wash. This is a ditch wash thing. And she was down there. She was playing.

And in this thing, there was like trees like all around this area. And as she was playing there, it was like probably in the afternoon. maybe four in the afternoon, three four in the afternoon. And she hears this voice like coming from the top of the dish. So she's down here and she hears a voice like up here and she kind of like just looking at it. And the voice like I don't know, I don't speak Navajo fluently. But the voice was telling her like, hey, come up and eat. It's like your grandma told me to come get you.

I'm a friend of your grandma's. You better get up here now. And, you know, like, I think we're always taught to respect her elders. So, you know, she didn't want to be, like, disrespectful to this voice she was hearing. And the way she described it was like an older lady and it was very, like, crackly in a way. You're very crackly voice. And she was just talking to her Navajo, like, hey, come up. Your grandma told her to come get you.

So, you know, she was like, all right. So she kind of just threw down the stuff she was playing with, duster herself off. And she starts making her way up the hill. She's right at the bottom and she sees this, like, older lady kind of like, so like here's the hill. And she just like, she just seemed like a head just slowly started coming up over the hill. And, yeah, so when she was looking at the lady,

she thought it was weird because like usually like with a lot of like the elders there, they would always have like their hair kind of tied up or they would have like a like a bandana or something that they just put around and tie under. But this lady was weird to her because she's never seen this lady before, right? But this lady is saying that she's a friend of her grandma's. And the way she described this lady was it was she was she looked very old. right she looked like she was kind of hunched over and she had this she had long like gray black hair like it's kind of split down the middle just kind of covering her face a little bit you can only see

like the nose and just like the inner size her eyes and she's got this like blanket wrapped around her and her hands just kind of like reaching out like hey come on come on your grandma told me to come you got to come with me right now and and she's like she's never seen this lady before but she doesn't want to be rude so she starts making her way up the hill and this lady is still like coming closer and closer over the hill and then my aunt gets about like halfway and then she's noticing it's like the blink is like covering her full body uh and it's uh and her she notices the the lady's hands and they were like very like old and it didn't look like her nails were like taken care of at all. They just looked like kind of long and yellow and they look chipped in a way.

And then she started moving just a little closer but she was a little hesitant to grab this lady's hand. And when she looked down at the lady's feet, because she just heard a voice and look down, look down, look down, look down right now. So she looks down and this lady, this older lady is hunched over, reaching out from my aunt, grey, black hair,

just covering her face, and there's no feet. This lady is just levitating above the ground and she has no feet at all. and she's trying to reach for my grandma or reach for my aunt. And as soon as she saw that this elderly lady didn't have feet, she screamed at the top of her lungs and her brothers heard her scream. So they come running toward the ditch that she was in. And then this lady just takes off.

Like, she said, it didn't look like. like it was like, it like, it didn't like magically like grow feet and started running away. No, it just turned and just levitated like away from that, away from them. And he said like the speed that this lady took often was, it just, it didn't like not even her brothers could keep up with this lady. It just zoomed out of there and it was gone. And brothers came in, came over and they tried to chase. her, but obviously they couldn't because this lady was just flying away so fast.

And, you know, the other brother looks, or my aunt pulls her up and asks, like, who was that? What was that? And she was like, I don't know. She said she was a friend of grandmas and told me to come with her. And they were like, yeah, that's that we don't know that lady. That's not a friend of grandma's. We don't know who that is or what that is. So, like, just come back to the house.

We're not done cleaning. We're not done, yeah, we're not done fixing up stuff. Just come to the house. Stay around the house. Just to be safe, just stay around the house. So they walk her back to a great grandma's house. And her brothers are on the front. They're working on the front yard.

And my aunt decides to go to the back of the house because she doesn't want to be in her brother's way. And she's back there. Same thing. She's playing with sticks and stones, you know, just making up her, whatever imagination. She's got going there. And all of a sudden, she hears this old lady again saying, like, I need, like, you're going to come with me. I'm going to take you with me.

So you better come with me. And this lady, just keep in mind that this lady is saying this all in Navajo to my aunt. and she's like my aunt once she heard that she froze she knew this lady was back and she turns around and like right at the corner of the house she was like in the center between the house in the back and right at the corner she just sees this lady like levitate into view from the corner of the house and this time rather than moving slowly like it was before it was like kind of rushing toward her and trying to grab her hand. And so my aunt, you know, screamed again.

Like, she's back. She's back. And her brothers at the time were pretty much aware of what, like, they kind of knew something was going to happen again. So they had their, my grand, their, my great grandfather's rifle, like out. just with them just in case. And when my aunt screamed, they knew automatically, they knew instantly, like,

this thing was back. So they, one, like, uncles grabbed the gun, rushes to the back, and then this lady, like,

turns around and looks back at them. And, uh, once my uncle raised the gun, this thing, the same thing. It took off, like,

away, like, tore the ditch that my aunt, was playing in. And my uncle's got this thing in its sights and he fires around. He loads it again. He fires it and he said that he's leaning like directly at this thing, but the bullets are just going straight through it. It's not even like hitting this thing. And they decide to go back into the house for the rest of the evening and just wait for her grandma to get back. they told her, they told them about the, the lady that they saw, the levitating lady and that I guess, I guess they heard the ram which already, was, like, they were already aware of it.

Like they knew this thing was around this area. And they just said, like, that's a, that's a witch. And you better stay away from her. If you ever see her, just go to the opposite. Like, just, yeah, just to go the opposite direction. If she tries to grab your hand, don't let her take your hand. So that's the levitating witch story that my aunt told me. And when she told me that story, you know, it's one of those stories.

You know, like with the little people, it's one of those stories that kind of stuck with me because it's just, it's like really out there and just to see something like that yourself is pretty creepy. And I don't know if I told you. but so I was telling this story to a friend of mine at work right and I was like hey do you want to hear about my aunt's levitating witch story

and then she's like levitating witch like yeah it's this old lady with hair and she's got a blanket and she floats and she's like oh well hey you should talk to this person who works on the south side of the building because they said that one time they were driving on a road in a place on the reservation called Sweetwater, and they said that he saw an elderly lady on the side of the road,

and she was just floating alongside the road the whole time. And I was just like, when I heard that, I was excited because I got, I'm going to get my chance to know more information about this story. But I don't think that guy works there anymore, because they let go a bunch of contractors a while back, and I think he was one of the ones that got to let go with the contractor. So I never got a chance to talk to him about the story. And then sometimes when I'm like going to want to sleep,

I usually go to YouTube or look podcasts and try to look for like, just scary stories to fall asleep to. And I came across this video. I'm trying to find it. I don't know who it's by, but it's like they're meeting scary stories. and they talk about this levitating witch that's Mexico and being that we're pretty close to Mexico

down here in New Mexico, I'm pretty sure that the two things are related in a way. And when I heard that person's story about a levitating witch that tried to take her when she was younger, and that just instantly made me think of my aunt's story. And I feel like there's a lot more to this then that I'm really curious to find out more about this topic of the levitating witch. Yeah, I mean, it seems like there's more to it.

It seems like this is an actual phenomenon that's going on around there. And more people had have been able to see it, right? I mean, if you've come across the story in your lifetime a few times, other people must have seen this. And, you know, because, I mean, you haven't seen it. These stories have been relayed to you. So other people had to have seen it as well. Yeah.

And I feel like if I think I'll find out more about it, I think I could, I mean, this is something I used to do when I was younger. I was like, I was fine. Like, people would tell me stories and I would collect them and I would figure out, like, where their stories were taking place and try to backtrack and go to those locations multiple times to see if I can see something myself. But I feel like if I could get more into this topic and try to figure out where it's seen a lot

and maybe I could probably get a chance to see it myself. Dude, I don't know if I want to see it myself for sure. Yeah. But I mean, just from talking to you the past few times, man, like you're the kind of guy that this is what you do. So it's interesting. Yeah. But that's a great story that my aunt told me.

It's just, it's crazy. Like, yeah. I don't know how else to say to that. Another thing else had to that. Yeah. Well, Jamal, man, listen, I know you have other stories. And I think we might need to save it for another time. But, dude, I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing more of these stories.

I mean, I can't get enough of it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I enjoy sharing these stories. Well, that's sure. But I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. I don't care where or how you share the show. Just share the show if you enjoyed it because that's the best thing you can do to help the show grow.

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