The Confessionals - RELOADED | 430: Chipped In My Chest

Episode Date: July 22, 2024

In Episode 430: Chipped In My Chest we are joined by Nick. He reached out to the show to talk about the paranormal experiences he had in life leading up to his incarceration. He has dealt with demonic entities, UFOs, and pulling a chip out of his chest. Then in the Overtime Nick shares about the amazingly supernatural experiences he had during his 7-month stay in jail that will leave the listener in shock and awe!Join Me AtArmed Media Conference: Purchase Tickets HereSmoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference: Purchase Tickets HereSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comThe Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinAFFILIATESGo Silent with SLNT Faraday Bags: https://alnk.to/clXuRY5EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase!SPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducer

Merkel Media I guess it's time to go back in time Are you telling me you built a time machine Kind of a Dolion Time is but a stubborn illusion

I have a lot of memories Of the past People are time traveling Within themselves Time travel Is possible Hey everyone Before we get into this week's show

I just want to remind you I've been talking about it a lot, but I am moving to Tennessee this month in April, which means that if there's an issue with the show, if a show doesn't show up on time or if the audio, if there's something wrong with the audio and it's not being fixed, that's why, because I'm out of office. I may not even have internet when I get to the new house right away. So in order to fix the things, may not be an actual option. So just bear with me, have some patience.

I don't think there's going to be any issues or hiccups this month. But if there is a hiccup, that's why, because I'm moving to Tennessee and I literally don't have internet to even fix it if I wanted to. So just some patience, just in case there's an issue, but I don't think there will be. Let's get to this week's show. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave, They're all frozen.

And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Pulling at my leg. And I look over, and there are two small gray entities. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed.

I reach my hand into this bush, and I touch air. couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Okay, I reload it. Yeah. Welcome to the show, everybody you're listening to The Confessionals. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you have a crazy wild experience you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email.

Or go to the website, theconfessionalspodcast.com. Hit the contact section and you can reach me that way as well. Either way works for me, just get a hold of me. If you want more shows on a weekly basis, go to the confessionalspodcast.com. hit the join button and become a member because members get exclusive shows every Thursday available on the website and the castos app. Plus, you get Tuesday shows ad free and you get access to the overtime segments when they are available, just like today, because today is an overtime day.

So if that interests you, go to the Confessionalspodcast.com, hit the join button and become a member today. Moving on, we got Nick coming on the show today. I'm really excited about it. Oh, by the way, before we get to Nick, I just want to say thank you to everybody who has been watching the Dogman documentary. It is available right now on YouTube. And I've been getting a lot of great reviews on that. And it's just, it's been one of those things where it's been very humbling and, uh, actually almost like out of body experience kind of thing, because I can't believe I actually pulled it off. And it looks like people want more of it. So I'm really excited about it. We

released the documentary on YouTube nine days ago. It has over 80,000 views right now. So it's been blowing up. I'm really excited about it. I just want to let everybody know, thank you very much for everybody who's gone and watch the documentary. It's very much appreciated. So, Moving on from that now, we got Nick coming on the show today. And today is a three-part interview. So we have the first part right now. Then we got the overtime right after this, available to members only. And then we're going to have Nick coming back on for the third installment on Thursday

for the members episode. I sat down with Nick thinking it was going to be a one-hour interview, and it turned out to be a lot more than that. He wasn't even expecting to share as much as he shared with me during these three interviews. But today, you're going to hear Nick talk about his experiences, paranormal experiences, leading up to jail. Yes, that's right. I said leading up to jail. Then he goes to jail and he talks in the overtime about going to jail, what he experienced in jail, which is absolutely astounding to me. I was blown away with what he was experiencing in jail and how that all turned out for him.

And then he talks about for the members episode on Thursday about how when he got out of jail, him and his wife were homeless. And when they were homeless, they were invited to live at a church. and it turns out this church was extremely haunted, and it has a lot to do with the people who are running the church. It was really bizarre. It's absolutely the most haunted church I've ever heard of. The things that were going on in that church left my jaw hitting the desk. So this conversation that I had with Nick progressed,

and it got better and better and better as it went on. Oh, and by the way, just let everybody know who is listening, who aren't members and they have no plans on being members. Nick went to jail actually under false pretenses. So there's that. Anyways, he'll explain it all in the overtime. Let's get to Nick in this conversation right now. All right, today we got Nick on the show.

Nick, what's going on, man? Hello? Good to hear your voice. Good to hear your voice, too, my friend. So, listen, actually, I think what I'm going to do is before we get going on this interview, I'm just going to let the audience know that Nick has a friend in the background. So if by chance he does laugh or falls over off the chair or something, people know it's not a ghost, just giving people a heads up.

So sounds good. right? Yep. All right, cool. So, Nick, you have a lot of experiences, man, and you and I have, we're supposed to be doing this interview multiple times. And we just discussed it and what we're going to probably want to do. Most likely is this going to be a three segment section. Okay. So we're going to record a segment here and then we're going to do an overtime. And then the third one will probably be a members episode. And actually the members episode will include Nick's friend because they kind of went through a lot of the stuff together.

But today we're going to start off an early life where you grew up in a haunted house and just to give people an idea of where we're going. We're talking doppelgangers, shadow men, portals, creatures, I guess, in the house. I mean, tons of different stuff. So with that said, Nick, I'm going to hand it over to you. Walk us into how this kind of stuff started happening in your life. Um, you know, so yeah, it was, um, uh, well, it's actually out in, in, uh, the state of Oregon, first off. Um, so you know how there's a lot of stuff out, you know, happening in Oregon all the time.

No, I never heard that before. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. So, yeah, I grew up in, uh, a little house in, uh, in Oregon and, uh, close to Mount Hood and it was a very scary house growing up. And I would consider it haunted. So just to give a little bit of background, my parents were kind of involved in cultic practices before I was born. They were involved in like, kind of like what I understood to be like kind of like Alster Crowley type magic.

I'm not exactly sure exactly what that means, but that's kind of what I remember. Well, I mean, to me, I mean, when I hear you say Alistair Crowley stuff, in my mind, that's probably heavier stuff, I would think. It's very heavy, very

heavy, very dark. And my mom is like, was really into it. And she really had a lot of really bad experiences. So that came with her into the house, with her. And my dad was kind of just there. He didn't really experience a whole lot of experiences, but he was brought into the house.

They moved into the house with all of that back backup. So, yeah, so they, before they moved to the house, they became believers. It became Christians. And that was it. You know, so they moved into the house and I was born. And my first story from there was, uh, I was a little, a little kid. And I don't remember this at all, but they told me that I, my first story was, uh, I used to see a rabbit, like a dead rabbit on the ground, like a large dead rabbit.

Um, very, very large, like about four feet, five feet long. And, uh, and I used to scream when I see it. And, uh, I used to just. you know, ball my eyes out and all stuff. And one day my dad just walks in there. He prays over the room, grabs the rabbit,

rolls it up. He doesn't see it at all, but I see it. I see what's happening. He rolls the rabbit up into like a little, like a scroll or something like that and throws it on his shoulder

and walks out. And I never see it ever again from that point on. So that's the very first experience. There's also moments where I would, you know, my dresser in my house was pretty scary as well. I thought it was pretty scary. There was a lot of, you know, screaming from the dresser.

The bottom drawer would slide out. And the toy monsters in my bottom drawer would scream and yell. And I would sit there and listen to them and cry for my parents, you know, until they came and closed the dress drawer. there was also the main cupboard in the dresser and the dresser cupboard would pop open and there was voices that would come out of the dresser cupboard and all that. This house had a lot of problems and still to this day, my parents still live in the same house and still to this day there's a lot of problems

in the house. And like you said, there was a lot of doppelgangers, a lot of portals. and animals, ghost animals, animals coming back from the dead. And so, you know, so like the doppelgangers, I remember, you know, a few times I saw my dad walking by. And then he would, you know, like, say I was in the kitchen, whatever, and I was just looking, you know, talking to my parents or talking to my mom, whatever. and my dad would walk by behind her and go to the bathroom.

And a few minutes later, my dad would walk by again in the exact same, you know, same way, same fashion, and go to the bathroom. And I was like, absolutely shocked by that. You know, it was like, of course, you know, you're like, whoa, that just happened twice. And it happened again, you know, happened another time with my sister. My sister, you know, I was in the living room with my mom talking with her. And my sister ran by running into her room to go play. And a little while later, she came running into the room from the direction she came from before talking to us. And it was like, we just saw you going into your room.

So, you know, so there was doppelganger action. Maybe no, action is not the right word. But there was doppelgangers in there. You know, we, you know, also, we, we never had our scissors in the house. The scissors would go missing all the time. And they still go missing to this day. So we have to continually buy scissors all the time. And one day, my sister was playing with a pair of scissors on her bed.

You know, it's back in the 80s, so, you know, kids can play with scissors. and she was playing with their scissors and they drop on the floor and they disappeared through the floor in the other room. Like they just went in her room that, you know, she had and they just disappeared through the floor. And so we were like, whoa, you know, we didn't think of anything about portals or nothing like that back then. But now looking back on it, I'm like, that was a total portal. And a month later, the scissors would show back. up on her or on the microwave of the house months later. And that happened to, you know, earrings. It happened to to clothes, whatever, you know, it would just disappear. And but it was specifically that, that pair of

scissors that I remember her dropping and it just disappeared right through the floor. And we got on the floor and we were looking around and seeing if we could find it. And there was nowhere around. And like a month later, they appeared on the microwave. So you and your sister saw that? Correct. Yeah. And what, like, was this a time in your life and maybe even hers that you guys had maybe experienced so much other stuff that it didn't catch you off guard? Did this, like, actually freak you out? Because I'm trying to envision what you saw. And if I saw something that, especially as a kid, I think I'd be freaked out for real. Honestly, stuff happened every day. And I got used to, to, I got used to the paranormal.

I got used to the experiences. It was just an everyday occurrence. And so it didn't really shock me as much. Okay. So, yeah. Yeah, I think a normal person would be, you know, a little terrified by that. But it was just a common everyday experience over there. And so they went through the floor and then they were just gone for a month.

and then a month later, they just appear on the, you just like you walk into the kitchen and it's on top of the microwave. Correct. Yep. Wow. All right. Before you keep going, where do you think they were for a month? Like, like those scissors. I mean, where'd they go? Oh, man.

I have no idea. I would love to think there's like some sort of alternate universe. And I tend to think there is. There is. There is? Yeah. Yeah, there is. I mean, listen, I say it's so factual, but I really, really believe that there are parallel dimensions

and there are things in those dimensions that exist. They're alive, whether it's spiritually or physically, and they know we're here. And so I really do believe that. So when you said that, I'm like, yep, there is, because that's what I really believe. I'm intending to believe that more and more, you know, I'm just like, well, I have no idea where they went, you know. They just disappeared and yeah, same of the earrings, you know, they would disappear and show up later on top of the microwave. So, yeah, yeah. So, you know, that was, that was the, the small story of a portal in the house. Maybe not small, but, you know, it's, and it happened for years and years.

And, yeah, so portals in the same house, we had, uh, Like shadow men, there was a lot of shadows, a lot of, you know, like, you could see like the shadows in the other room, like moving. And sometimes, you know, you could see like a tall man in the other room just walking by. And it was all shadow, really, really dark. And the house just, the house was very oppressive overall. And it was, you know, my, my parents, it was the first house that was built. the neighborhood. My parents lived in the house from the beginning. So there was really no reason, you know, like back history of the house, you know, like this

person died here or whatever. It was just, it was built for them pretty much. But it is on the Bartle Trail. So I don't know if that that means anything. I think your parents doing Alistair-Crawley stuff means more. Yeah, I think so too. So, yeah. Yeah. Let me ask you. Real quick here. You mentioned about Mount Hood. You, that's where the house was located around Mount Hood?

Yeah, it's pretty close to Mount Hood. So it's like kind of like toward like one of the gateway cities of Mount Hood. And Mount Hood is like really well known for Sasquatch, right? Correct. Okay. That's what I thought. I knew I, there's so many different mountains out there. I can't even keep them all, you know, I got one out here.

The Appalachian Mountain is just, that's it. And it's like a hill for you guys. You know, it's just like, oh. You know, just kind of walk up that little guy. And so I, but Mount Hood, and we were, you and I were talking before we started recording here. And we were talking about Wes from Sasquatch Chronicles, is, do you know if that's the mountain that he had his experience on? Because I feel like it is, but I might be wrong. And he's my friend and I don't even know.

You know, my friend over here is telling me no. Okay. All right. St. Helens? Was it St. Helens? Yeah, St. Helens. St. Helens? Okay. It just was a random question that maybe would be some useful information later if it was true. But apparently it's not, I apologize. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Hey, you're good. It's a very beautiful mountain and it's, it looms on the horizon all the time. You know, just everywhere you look, it's, it's there. So it's, it's massive. It's beautiful. Okay. So your hills, your mountains do look like hills compared to it. Yeah, and you're like, oh, it's so cute, a little guy. So, yeah, so the house is, yeah, the house is just, you know, it's always been haunted.

It's always been creepy. You know, like talking about the, you know, like the animals. There was ghost animals in the house. You know, like I had a cat that passed away. And I think it was a couple days afterward walking through the living room, the cat sitting on top of the couch. You know, dead. It's, it's been dead for, for a while. So, you know, it was live as anything else, but sitting on the couch, but, you know, I just walked by it, looked at it, ignored it, and walked on. I didn't want to, you know, acknowledge it at all. But it was

sitting there just staring at me, following my path through the house. And then I never saw it ever again after that. So, I mean, at this point in the house, you've had enough experiences that you're recognizing this is like a ghost cat and stuff. I mean, you're not like, um, thinking you're crazy or anything like that. No, I struggled with, yeah, I struggled with thinking I was crazy for a long time. But, you know, when other people experience, it's like, okay, you know, this is pretty valid. Um, but yeah, it's, it was so normal, such an everyday thing that, that you just don't pay attention to it after a while. So, yeah, that's kind of, that's, that's, that was. So the animal, I'm trying to think of what else. The house was just...

Well, I have in my notes here about these little creatures and the hands that grabbed the lake. What is that whole thing with the hallway? Yeah. So the hallway, you know, led to the bathroom into my mom's room. And my room was kind of connected off the hallway a little bit. But you had to go around this corner to get to the bathroom. And the corner, there was a closet right there on the, on the corner of the hallway. And I hated walking by that corner, that closet because this hand would come out and grab your legs. And, you know, I never really saw the hand, but you feel the hand.

You would feel the hand. It was like ice cold. It would reach out. It would grab you. And, you know, he'd freak you out, of course. And it happened for, you know, for a couple decades. And after a while, you just kind of get used to it, you know, just kind of brush it off. But my sister experienced it.

My older brother did. My mom did. We all experienced the hand. And I think it's been a couple decades since I've experienced the hand coming out of the closet. But it was just, it was terrifying. And in that same closet at night, you know, my my room faced the closet off of the corner of the house. You know, it would kind of like my door would face the hallway and the closet would be there. And my sister's room was right next door to my my room.

And at night, we had our doors, you know, just partially open so we can get a little bit of light coming in. And at night you would see these little guys come out of the car. closet and they were definitely like they they look like what you would call an imp you know they were little black little creatures some of them looked like little pigs they had wings on they were really like skinny probably about a foot tall um all shapes and sizes and they would just you know sometimes they would just sit and stare at you and you know i'd be laying in bed and looking at the closet and looking at them and it was just like really really creepy um and same with my sister she experienced the same exact thing um at the same time so these these creatures would come out of the closet

correct yeah and did you ever investigate to see how they're getting in there or no i was probably like six or six to eight somewhere in there there was no way i was going to investigate anything Well, all right, new question. As an adult, do you ever think about how they got in there? You know, I haven't until now. There wasn't any holes or anything in the floor? No, no. There was a, I'm pretty sure they were demonic.

I really don't see them as being anything, you know, like physical. They had a physical appearance, like a, they were manifested physical. But I believe they were demonic. See how I did that? I asked you questions to give you a layup. Thank you. I had a feeling that's what you were thinking. I was just,

I was going to let you say without me prying on it. No, you can pry on it. Oh, man. And that's where I was kind of going with it. Because, you know, clearly, I mean, if this is happening often and they are physical creatures, then, you know, their mom and dad would know,

It's like a hole in the floor where the imps are coming through, you know? Like, I grew up in a, like a trashy trailer. Like, listen, when I, like, you're talking to somebody who was trailer trash growing up, like straight up. I mean, like, we, we, every definition of the term was, that was me. And I, we lived in a trailer that was just falling apart, windows falling out, doors broken off because my crazy dog jumped through it 10 times. The holes in the ceiling.

I would go up on the roof to patch it and stuff so that wouldn't leak anymore. It was like every winter I had to do that. Nice. But there was a time that possums came up through my floor because we had a big hole in it, you know, but we knew there was a hole on the floor. So, like, you know, if the imps were physical creatures, you know, they, you would have noticed that there was at least evidence of something happening, you know, as a result of them being there.

but yeah that's we we talked about imps oh i mean it's every once in a while we talk about emps on the show but there was um i believe it was episode 50 i had uh my actually actually my one friend from college on the show uh phil and he's going to be coming back on again here in the future uh but he talked about the imps and stuff and back then i didn't really think about things the way i think about them now and so i'm almost certain that when we were talking about it the whole time i'm thinking physical creature whereas now i hear stories like what you just shared and I'm like, that seems more on a, let's just call it a spiritual level than anything. You said demonic and stuff.

I think that there, I think the spiritual realms way more complex than what we maybe can contemplate, you know, so interesting stuff. Anyways, I don't want to hijack this show. Go ahead. No, you're good. Yeah, I'm glad you specified that. And yeah, so, yes, they were definitely spiritual. I would, and I only say demonic because the fear that was, that I experienced with it,

I had a sense of fear. So to me, that was more demonic than, you know, than not. So, yeah, I mean, there was that, you know, the little imps, you know, we talked about the doppelgangers, the portals, the, you know, my cat coming back from the dead for a while. You know, there was a, and my sister experienced like a man pressing out of the wall in her bedroom at night, looking down at her, you know, while she was sleeping. She remembers that. My brother had hands come over the sides of his bed to grab him at night. He actually had a name for it. I don't know if I want to say the name on.

If you don't mind saying it, I don't mind you saying it. Okay, well, that changes things. Well, yeah, so he, my brother had experiences of these hands coming through his bed and over his bed, grabbing at him at night for like a long time. They were sometimes just sitting there on the edge of his bed. And he gave it the name of, of, onus. And I think it was like years later that he was reading, I think the fairy queen, I think it was, the classic and inside there was

this witch that gets her hands cut off and her name was honest if I remember correctly so I thought that was an interesting tie there but but yeah so that's that's the name of the of the spirit that would visit him did he ever tell you or anybody why he or how he came up with that name was a

given to him or do he just name it or what? You know, I haven't asked. I think he just came up with it. I think it just, you know, he just knew the name of it. It's interesting. Yeah. And I can vouch for that. There's a couple of spirits

that I've experienced later on in life that I just knew the name of it. Almost like they told me the name. So, so, yeah, I can vouch for him just knowing that. Yeah. the name. And that's not a foreign concept. Obviously, you guys listen to the show.

You know, that that's a, that's something that, you know, I don't understand how it works, but it's something that I've heard enough to understand that. It does happen. It just kind of like, it's not like something spoken to you, just kind of almost like it came to you, but it probably came to you because whatever it is wanted it to come to you kind of thing. It's, it's kind of weird. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, we had, we had a few trinkets in the house that we found later on, you know, as I was an adult, little like Indian trinkets. And there was a couple of little Buddhist statues that we got rid of out of the house. We have no idea who put them in the house.

They were just there. And the Indian trinket, we burned in the fireplace. And like blue flames and green flames came out of it. And it was actually made a fur. and the fur never really the fur actually took a long time to burn. It just wouldn't burn at first. And then we had a prey and then the

the fur burned. And it was gone from that point on. The little Buddhist statues kind of the same thing. They were in the house. Nobody put, nobody, nobody's a Buddhist in the house and they were just there. And so we burn the Buddhist statues as well. And

they wouldn't burn it first either. So And eventually they did. So, I'm trying to think of anything else about the house. Yeah, I can't think of anything else about the house. So before we move off the house, your parents, the history with your parents,

they were dabbling in the occult, the occult before you guys were born, right? Correct, yeah. And they, at what point did they become Christians? I know you said that. Um, so probably the late 70s, I think it was. Okay. And so when do you guys get this house?

In the late 70s. So right around the time that they turn away from the occult and towards Christianity is when you guys move into this house. Correct. Yeah. Were you already born? I was not born at the time, no. Were any of your siblings? My older brother.

Yep. So your older brother then was born and living with mom and dad while they were doing occultic things? I don't know about him, but I know my older sister, she was alive during that time period. Okay, so you have a sister that's older than your older brother. Correct. But was she not living in the house? Was she old enough to not live there or what? I believe she lived in the house for a little while.

I don't, I never really talked to her about all this stuff, to be honest. Okay. So. So you said that basically because you never talked to her about it, but I guess your older brother, you have? Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. Interesting.

It makes me wonder, you know, I'm not an expert or anything on any of this stuff, but it just, you know, makes me feel like could there have been some kind of attachment through your parents' actions to your older brother that kept. things around. And I don't know. I mean, have you ever talked to your parents about this stuff? Yeah, I just recently did. And what's funny is that I actually had the, I had a ton of notes

written out on like three pages, like three pages of notes on my parents' story. And I just moved this last week and I lost all the notes. And. No way. Right before the, this interview. And I lost pretty much. all the notes I had, all the little sticky notes and everything that I was going to, you know, share.

Wow. You know what? Like, like, maybe your parents, like, would they ever want to talk to me about what life was like before their life in Christ? You know, I'm sure they would. I actually asked them to that and they said they would be happy to talk with you. Okay. Well, I mean, maybe we can arrange that sometime because, you know, I think it would be interesting to hear from them. but yeah yeah my my mom's got some really really scary stories so oh i'm sure i'm sure uh you know

alister crawley stuff is not the uh the t-ball league so no it isn't yeah um well they they did play with a n owegia board and i do know this that they back in the day they played with an oweege board and the owegia board was asking for their firstborn son which is my older brother. And once I started asking that, my dad got scared of it and took it out, burned it. Actually, I think he, yeah, no, he took it out and burned it in like 12-foot flames came out of it and screaming and yelling and all that stuff. But yeah, so, I mean, that might be a tie-in right there for. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so that's the thing. I mean, and this isn't a knock on your parents at all. And I hope it doesn't come across this way. And if they listen,

I'm just saying up front, it's not. But, you know, if they were dabbling in that stuff, and then they, they become Christians. I don't know how, do you know how old your brother was when they became Christians? I don't. Okay. So, so because mom and dad are Christians doesn't make your older brother a Christian, we can all agree on that. I'm assuming. We didn't say this before, but you and your friend here are in theological school, so we can agree on this. So it's a very personal thing. And so just because mom and dad become Christians

doesn't mean your older brother was a Christian at that time. Now, granted, I do believe that there's a certain age that there's a, I guess, maybe a grace covering. Like, listen, I don't think a one-year-old can make that kind of a decision. They don't even understand anything. but if your older brother wasn't a Christian, let's put this way, boiled down simple terms, if he wasn't a Christian, then maybe there was an attachment that got a hold of him and kind of went into this house because it couldn't hold on to your parents. I don't know, I'm just saying.

Now, there's a lot of people out there that would hear that, that would say, just because you're a Christian doesn't mean you can't have attachments. And I absolutely 100% agree with you. And then there's other people who say that just because you're a Christian, you can't be demonically possessed. That's where I don't necessarily agree. I don't want to say I disagree. I just don't know enough, but my gut says I disagree. Yeah. I'm kind of, I think that a Christian can be harassed really, really bad. Big time, big time. Yeah. And even more so than You're supposed to be. Correct.

Yeah, it's war. It's a battle. Right. So there has to be more, you know, there must be more of a battle. So, yeah, I agree that, you know, Christians, you know, can be definitely harassed. Do I think they can be possessed? No, I don't because I think they're possessed by the Holy Spirit. And, but I think they can be harassed from the outside.

And I believe that's what my parents experienced. And so when they were living at the house and they experienced these things after becoming Christians, I believe that explains that to me. Yeah. My older brother, you know, he became a believer, a Christian, and he still experienced the hands, you know, as an adult a few times. So, yeah, I mean, that's kind of what I think, too. So it's just that the Christian can be harassed pretty bad. Yeah, and we've talked about this before on the show over the years. We've talked about it several times, I'm sure.

But just along the lines of the Christian theology, forget about what all the other religions say about whatever. It makes sense that you should be a target once you choose. sides. So, you know, it makes sense to me. Now, with the house, I think, I just think that, I think we can all agree that there's probably a strong possibility that a lot of this stuff stemmed from just actions of mom and dad before Christ. And then, because I mean, listen, that, like, I don't think that there's a whole lot of people, I think the majority of people in this world probably never dabbled in the occult and Alistair Crowley, right?

So. Yeah, not a lot of people. Yeah. So, I mean, like, when somebody like them goes a 1-8, does a 1-80 goes the opposite direction, I imagine that there's probably more things that could pop up in their personal lives because of what they came from,

you know, like, whether, whether you want to say it's, you know, the demonic influences are trying desperately to get them to switch back to their team or they're just mad. And they're like, okay, let's go. You know, so. That's exactly what I think, too.

Just so. Yeah, and I think that's why my sister and I, you know, both of my sisters, I'm, you know, I think my oldest sister experience, she's actually got some pretty strange experiences, but I don't really talk to her a lot about them. But I think that's why my siblings and I experienced things was because of my parents' dabbling into the dark arts, I guess you could say. Have you ever told your parents that? I recently did, yeah.

What'd they say? That's a... Honestly, it made my mom sad. So, yeah. Yeah, she... I think she cried about it for a while. You know, when you do things in the past and it affects things in the future, it's, you know, affects the ones you loved.

It's, you know, it's hard. Yeah, dude. totally get it. That's why I asked because I, I imagine there was probably an emotional reaction in that sense, even if, even if they didn't agree with you, the fact that you feel that way would probably, like, dude, it's, it's, that's their kid. Do you have kids? I do, yeah. Okay, so I mean, put yourself in those shoes, right? I mean, uh, like, like, I, I, I, I, I step sideways all the time as a parent and I'm just new at it, like four year old and a one year old, but I say or I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll say something to my son.

He'll catch me in the wrong moment and stuff and I'll snap at him. And it kills me when I, when I stop and I think about what I, what I just said and he walked away with his head down crime because I overreacted to him because I was already focused on, I was focused on an email that I just got of somebody hating on me. So I'm already mad. And it's just like,

you know, it kills me. So I just can't imagine what it would feel like on, on such a bigger level, really, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It was a recent conversation I had. with them that, you know, I, we just had a, I think it was like a two or three hours sit down and we just kind of talked about what happened in the family and, and the past. So, and I will ask them if they, they want to be on the show and talk to you about some of their experiences, because it's, it's been, they have some really dark, dark stuff. Well, I would, I would definitely be interested in that. And, you know, talk to them, let me know. But let's, let's move along here a little bit. And what I want to say here is this. Before we move to life got crazier after marriage,

I want to say that just judging by what I see on my notes here, this stuff followed you throughout your life. Now, whether it's from or the origin story is mom and dad, you know, messed up and kind of curse the whole family, or you're a Christian and you're being targeted. There's so many different things you can go down as far as philosophy. It really does seem like this is something that it's far beyond the house as a kid. And what we're going to cover in the third segment is that you did wind up getting arrested, put in jail, and there's a whole thing behind that that affects. you on a deep level. You said earlier to me that you have a little PTSD. If you want me to take that

out, just let me know, I'll take it out. I didn't think about that before I said it. No, you're good. Okay. Yeah. I struggle with talking because of the PTSD and, you know, just the stutters. So. I think you're doing fine, man. Thank you. But these are things that, like, some of this, like, there's so much here. And, like, the jail thing is especially, it's like real life situation scenario. but it was brought on because of a, let's just call it a spiritual attack. And it's just like, there's just a lot here. And I just, I just kind of wanted to say that before we get into this next part of your life, because I just, I don't want people, maybe I don't want to say either way, but I just want people to try to consume your story without trying to confine it to

this happened as a kid in the house. And that's why this happened. I think there's, there's a lot more to it. So go ahead. Yeah. So, yeah, we, so eventually I got married. My beautiful wife, we've been married for 16 years now, almost 16 years. And when we got married, she came with her own experiences. She had a long time, you know, a life of experiences herself.

And I don't think we knew this until after. we got married, but she, uh, she was, she's one of, I believe it, but it's like 40 siblings.

She is the only biological daughter. What? Yeah. What? How's that possible? The rest of them were, uh, foster kids.

So they all, oh, did. And yeah, so she has a lot of siblings and, um, it's a lot. Yeah,

it's a lot. And, we that's funny everybody reacts the same way they're like what that's crazy yeah it goes from

oh my gosh there's got to be a crazy story here to oh that's respectable because you know if it's foster care it means that you know there's a good situation going on

wasn't like dad just couldn't stop you know what I mean that's where my mind when I was like holy crap your poor mom no

yeah exactly yeah So the, yeah, so when we got, when we got married, she had two little girls in the house. I think there actually, there might have been four, four little girls, but two of them were siblings themselves. And they were on the way of getting adopted. They were both highly, highly abused. And, you know, thank goodness they were in my mother-in-law's house. She provided a safe spot for them, but they came with a lot of dark, you know, a lot of abuse in their past.

And one of the little girls, and especially saw spirits quite often. And she was the younger one. The older one was kind of the same. She saw spirits, but not as much as the younger one. There was one specific spirit that I would also say it's demonic, just for the fear factor of it. But they named, they just knew the name of peekaboo. And I'm having a hard time saying name just because I'm like sitting here like shaking saying the name because I've had a history with this same spirit a little bit later on. Kiboo was a little girl and with kind of like, I think the way they explained it was she looked like the girl from the ring.

But she had like sharp teeth. And she would play little games now. She would peek around corners and hide and all that stuff. And so that was the, you know, some of the focus of when we got married, my wife and I, you know, so we had a little house to herself for a little while. And then I lost my job and we had to move in with her mother-in-law. It's, you know, in the city of Portland. And when we moved there, this is kind of what we experienced was these two little girls were there. And they would always talk about this spirit named Peekaboo.

And at the time, I used to like going outside and smoking. And when I was out, you know, smoking in the backyard late at night. I would see peekaboo walk around in the in the garden area, the far, you know, the back of the, the property, just pacing back and forth looking at me. And I would just kind of ignore it, you know. But every once in a while, peekaboo would attack my sister and sister's in law, my, you know, my, the, sorry, sisters-in-law. and my wife. And even though I could not see Picaboo at all times,

I was, I saw, you know, I could tell they were being attacked. And at this point, at one point, I decided to, um,

exercise one of her sisters. Uh, probably not the best thing to do, but actually ended up being well. Uh, so I, her sister was just constantly attacked. And so one night.

And so I just went in there into her room. And she was on the bed. And I laid down on the bed with her. And I prayed. And I cast the spirit away from her. And as I was cast in the spirit out, she heard in her ear this yelling of like, no, no, no.

And she could hear the voice just trailing off like it's being dragged off. And the room got like super, super intense. Like there was just like this vibration in the room. This like the energy was so thick. And I got scared because of the energy in the room. Even though I could not hear her hear the voice, I knew that something was going on. And my sister-in-law was just covering your ears and try not to hear peekaboo screaming.

And what we believe was peekaboo. and so and after that my sister-in-law has never seen the spirit ever again but the older the older sister did once in a while so that was

that was hard to talk about sorry that's fine breathing real hard here so if you catch your breath while I ask you more in-depth detailed questions about Pigs all right so get your breath because I'm going to have to ask you about this.

Did you actually see peekaboo yourself? I only did when I was smoking out in the backyard. Smoking weed? No, just smoking a cigarette. Okay. I just wanted to make sure just for audience. For the audience sake, you said you're in Oregon, you know? Yeah.

Okay, so you're out there smoking cigarettes. You saw in the backyard. what you saw were you by yourself in that moment? Yes, it was. What you saw, did that match the description and what others said they saw? Yes, yes. Okay. In that moment, what did you say?

It looked like a little girl in a white dress. Okay. So in that moment, you recognized it as peekaboo then. You knew what it was. Yes. And I just, like, you know, I was telling about my brother with Eunice. You just kind of know the name. You're like, oh, that's Peekaboo.

What did you think and do at that moment? Because that sounds terrifying. If Peekaboo looks like the girl from the ring, first of all, girl from the ring freaks me out, okay? That's like, like, I don't watch scary movies because I got to do this show, you know. But people ask me, did you ever see the grudge or whatever it is? I'm like, no, because I saw the ring when I was younger and it looks exactly the same. I'm not interested, you know, but now we're talking about the ring girl with like fangs.

Are you kidding me? Yeah. Well, honestly, I wasn't too afraid. I don't know if that's just because, you know, I don't know that's just because, you know, being a Christian, you just, there's nothing to worry about. Or it's just because I'm so used to experiencing the paranormal at my parents' house at that point. It was just another like, oh, okay. well this, you know, it's, it is frightening, but it's not as frightening as, as you think it would be. I hear you. I hear you. Okay. Totally get it. Uh, you know, like you and I probably would use

very similar spiritual weapons in these kind of moments, right? Yes. Yeah. But it would, it would, it would freak me out. Okay. Just, just being honest. So, uh, yeah, it would freak me out. Yep, that's about it. So once you did that, though, and you were praying no more issues ever again. No, not for her. She's never told me anything else that's ever, she's ever experienced. I mean, she had some other spirits that she saw, and she never saw those other spirits either. Okay. Well, it's a good, happy ending.

Yeah, no, it was good. I don't know if it was the wisest thing to do, but, you know, it's just running there and perform an exorcism. but, you know, it's not the only time I've done that. I've done that with a few other people. So, but yeah, that's kind of what happened there at the house. And there was actually a couple times where we had to leave the house because Pekabu was bothering them so much that we had to just escape and go drive around for a little bit and then come back. Like, what do you mean by bothering, though? Just being a pest or like something more sinister?

Yeah, just bothering them. Just peeking around corners, scaring them. Just things like that. Okay. I just had this thought that, you know what? I'm not even going to say it out loud. I don't want to go there. All right.

Carry on, my friend. Okay. Yeah. So I believe that's everything that happened at that house. And I'll be honest. My timeline is all shattered because of the PTSD. I just, everything's all over the place. And so I'm doing everything by places chronologically.

So it's really hard to keep things straight in my mind. But yeah, so that's kind of what happened there. Oh, they did call a ghost hunter group to come out. And they did an investigation for one night at their house. And they actually had recordings of a little girl. asking to play with one of the one of my sisters-in-law and yeah i was you know saying saying things like can we can i play with da-da you know the girl's name um so yeah that was that's pretty creepy and they got i guess it caught motion in the cameras and all that kind of

stuff so nice and comforting you know honestly it oddly it was I know. I know. You know you're not crazy. Yeah. That's why I said that. Yeah. Yeah.

It was like, oh, okay, there is something going on here. Yeah. Yeah. And my sister-in-law was just happy that they discovered something because she knew at that point that she was not crazy, like you said. So. Yeah. And so from that point on, my wife and I, we moved to another small city between Portland. and

uh, Mouthood. And we moved into the, like, a basement apartment. And the, as we were there, you know, there was a lot of other stuff.

I mean, UFOs, uh, well, a UFO. Um, I saw a UFO flying by, uh, overhead one night. Actually, not,

not overhead, but, um, right down the middle of the street. And, um, Kind of on side. I was,

we got back from the theater. And we were sitting out back, just talking about the movie. And all of a sudden, this big old UFO came flying down the street, um, on its side. And you can see the street lights reflecting off of it.

And it was silver. Not, not super reflective, but, um, kind of like a, translucent look to it or a matte finish or whatever you call it and just kind of flew in flew between the houses and I got scared you know of course I was like oh no you know it's

not my first UFO experience my first one was as a child at my old house actually the first house I talked about it was just kind of flying by overhead um nothing too you know spectacular about that just seeing a disc flying overhead and Just a walk in my life as Nick. Nothing too spectacular. Oh, that's just a UFO. It's just a UFO. I'm going to go back to doing what I was doing.

You should see what happened to me last week. So, yeah, so, you know, this, so this one that I saw as an adult just kind of flew by. And I got scared. And my wife didn't see it, but I saw it. And I grabbed her and we ran inside back into our basement apartment. And we just kind of went to, you know, we spent the rest of the night there inside and eventually fell asleep. And, you know, I had a hard time sleeping the night, whatever. Two weeks later, I have a bump on my chest right in the center of my chest.

And I keep on, I kept, like, pressing into it and kind of like, ah, it's really, it really, really hurts. You know, like, it felt hard. and it was just really painful. And as time went on, the bump rose and became, I'm sorry to be graphic, but kind of pussy and, you know, just fill the fluid and all that stuff. And so I decided to cut into my own chest. I pulled out a box knife and I wanted to relieve some of the pressure from the fluid

that was built up in there. And as I was doing that, I cut into my chest, there was a chip that came popping out. The chip was the size of a dime. It was square and had coils inside of it. And it looked like it was coils pressed into glass. And I pulled it out. And of course, I'm like, what the heck? You know, it scared me.

And so I put it on the bathroom counter. and, you know, there was blood all over the sink and all that stuff. I put the chip on the, you know, the counter. And I called my wife and I told her what happened. And she got scared and she wanted me to come pick her up from work. And so I got on the car, drove off, picked her up, came back, and the chip was gone. But the blood was still there. Where did you put the chip?

on the bathroom counter, not the kitchen counter, bathroom counter. And it was gone when I came back. And so I have no idea what happened to the chip at all. I think I would love to have saved that thing. I'm assuming you would have said by now if you took a picture of it, right? Oh, I did not take a picture of it. Figures. Okay. Yeah. Yep.

And, oh, by the way, I did send you a bunch of pictures. Yeah, I got them. Okay, cool. And so, yeah, so that was that. That was really hard to accept that because, you know, I was still thinking that, you know, for me, I'm not really sure what I think about UFOs sometimes, you know, or aliens, whatever. I tend to think they're spiritual. I don't tend to think they're

as physical as they manifest themselves physical. I guess you could put it. Interdimensional. I would say that, yeah. So I don't know if the chip went into another dimension or whatever, but it just disappeared and that was that. So I called Mufon. Mufon came out and they did an investigation.

said I had a close encounter the first kind. And because the UFO I saw was less than 500 feet away from me. So, yeah, so that was that was that experience. Okay. Go ahead. You're not moving away from this yet, are you? Or are you? I could.

No, I'm not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay. All right. So what does your wife say? about this. What does my wife say about it? Yeah.

Yeah. Like, I'm assuming you told her you pulled a microtrip out of your body and, and, and you were abducted by aliens or something? Yes. Yeah. I actually have a hard time of believing I was abducted by aliens, but it's not, not the first time that I've kind of experienced that. It just kind of happened the next couple of years.

Do you think it's tied to the paranormal experiences that you've been describing? Do you think that? I do. I do. I believe. I believe everything is tied in together. I get the sense too. I get that sense too. The more I hear people's stories, especially people like you who have complex stories and lives. It's not like, hey, let me tell you about

this one crazy night I had in my life. It's like, let me tell you about the many crazy nights I've had throughout my life. And yeah, yeah, exactly. And I get to, I just, over time, I get to sense that more and more that a lot of this stuff is connected. I don't think that it's always all connected. But I do get the sense with people like you. And so do you think that whatever this experience was is maybe a foundational piece to the other experiences? Or do you think that this is a result of some other experiences that you've had? If that makes sense. Like, so if, like, like, I know you said you have a hard time saying you were abducted, that's fine. But whatever caused a chip, a physical chip to be under your skin, whatever that was that caused that,

do you think that is a foundational thing that all this other stuff launches off of? Or do you think that that whole situation is a result of something else going on in your life that stems all this paranormal stuff? I don't know if that makes sense. I'm trying to... Yeah, I don't think it's foundational. I do think it's really... I think it's all kind of tied in together.

I don't think the UFO. experiences any different than than the portals or the doppelgangers or the ghosts or the I think they're all sometimes I tend to think they're all one and the same. Okay. The chip, that's an awfully big chip. The size of a dime, right?

Yeah, yeah. Like, that's, that's, that's sizable. When I think of chips and people's bodies and stuff, I'm thinking like, you know, something that easily fits on the tip of your pinky, you know? And even that stuff, I mean, gets rejected because the human body tends to reject these things. Yeah.

It's obviously happening to you. Yes. Have you thought about why you had a chip on you? What it was? What was the purpose of it? I mean, it's a clearly physical, mechanical thing that was in your body that you didn't put there. Do you ever contemplate why that is?

I have. I, you know, I've, um, I've, um, I've, I've, even asked my parents, you know, if they have had experiences or, you know, my dad, he had one experience, if I remember correctly. I don't remember the details of it. But I think I didn't, I don't want to say it. I don't want to say that they're, they put it in me to keep track of me, but that's kind of what it feels like. And if it is spiritual, then, then I have no idea. you know, I'm like, I don't know why that was in me. You know, I, I have contemplated it. I don't know what to think about it. Gotcha. Well, I'm not going to tell you what to think about it because

I don't freaking know what to think about this stuff, you know. I'm just receiving the stories, entertaining conversation and letting, letting, let in tens of thousands of people that are going to listen to your story judge you. I'm not. So, all right. Well, okay, so you, you had a chip in your body. So what happened on Tuesday? What happened on Tuesday? I'm just being sarcastic. Like, it's like, it's like, I was like, what happened on Tuesday? Man, well, let me tell you.

Started out with a good, hard-boiled egg. Yeah. So. And the funny thing is I don't remember missing time. I don't remember seeing any little gray guys or anything like that. I don't remember anything. I just remember seeing the UFO going to bed and two weeks later, you know, waking up with a painful chat. and then, you know, so I still have the scar on my chest, you know, so, so yeah, this is a really

strange experience. Yeah, definitely sounds like it. So, you know, also the same place, the basement apartment, we had one spiritual experience. Like, I'm not sure what to think of it, like either a ghost or demonic or something like that. I had a, a dog with us, my wife and I, we had a dog. And at one point, the house got, the, the apartment got so intense in there. And I remember, uh, the room just, you know, like, it was like this, uh, energy, you know, you feel before experiencing this, um, or sometimes during or even afterward, but there was just like this buildup of energy.

And if I remember correctly, I heard. get out. And so I got scared. I remember running outside and talking on the phone with a church mentor. And as I was talking on the phone about this whole voice and this feeling in the house, the dog gets booted out of the house, like literally skids across the ground because whatever was inside the house, the apartment, kicked the dog out. And, and that was it there. That was my last experience at that apartment. And so from there, my wife and I, we moved into an apartment.

And we decided to go, started to do, oh, no, let me back up. That is not the only experience. Sorry, there's been so much stuff that I can't place it all into a timeline. At that time, my wife and I, we visited my parents' house, and my wife had CDs from a shelf thrown at her at the old house that I first talked about, and hit her all stuff, and eventually drew blood. like the, I think it threw the CDs again and it drew blood this time on my wife's chest. It bruised her so bad. And I got, I got kind of angry at, you know, the invisible, you know, whatever. You can't, you know, see it, of course.

But, you know, it's like, I got mad. And I was like, okay, now it's time to exercise the house. It's time to exercise, you know, to call an exorcist. And so I called this guy, the same church mentor I was talking about, and called him and asked if he would do an exorcism because that's what he used to do. He was a missionary, and he is, you know, he's also a student at the same school that my friend and I attend right now. and, you know, he learned exorcism and all, you know, they call it deliverance. One of the same thing, exorcism and deliverance. And so I asked him and he said he would like to meet with me.

And so we met and from there started a four-year exorcism that I went through. Not particularly the house, but about, but exercising me. I don't believe I was possessed. but I do believe that I was harassed. And it took four years to get the harassing spirits away from me. So just to make a difference, just to make the point across that I don't believe I was possessed at all, but I was able to, you know, be harassed by these spirits, enough where they were controlling my life and harming my family. and doing damage to life in general.

So my mentor took notes. He actually has notes of the whole exorcism somewhere. I don't know where he lives at the moment. I don't know what he wrote down. I know it was just page after page after page, thousands and thousands of spirits, demons. And I met with him two hours a week for, four years.

And it was probably one of the craziest times I've had and probably one of the most blessed times I had. As a Christian, I had a great time getting to know God better through that whole process of exorcism and deliverance. Because he became real for me at that point. He became the warrior. He became the aggressor. and booted out what was harassing me. And so through the process of exorcism,

we got the names of spirits, the spirits harassed me. A lot of them were ancestral. A lot of them were brought about by the sins that I committed in my life. For example, I had a spirit of porn. about me because I used to look at pornography. That's an actual spirit, pornea? Correct.

Huh. Okay. And I didn't know the name. I didn't know Greek at the time. But that's actually the name for, that's an actual term. That's actually Greek. For like lust and pornography and all that stuff. So, yeah.

So I struggle. with pornography for a long time and that was just one of the spirits that was attached to me. Another one that we kicked off was Ketal-Kuadal. And funny enough, it was a hereditary spirit. And years afterward, I found out, oh, I have that, I have like, you know, Aztec genes in me, you know? so I thought that was pretty interesting. But Ketalawadal had bail attached to me. You had bail, B-A-L-L, or I mean, that's ball, B-A-A-L?

Correct, yeah. Okay. I'm trying to think of some of the other names. Atlas was one of them. And just, there was just a bunch of, a lot of them had vile names, a lot of cussing, a lot of, uh, just, uh, you know, and, and every time the extras asked, what were they there for? They were there to destroy my life. Each one answered that. Um, now, it wasn't a process. It wasn't like out loud. Sometimes, you know, most of the time the demons

or spirits would, I don't know, explain. This is. really hard to explain. It wasn't verbal, but it was in, like, they gave me the information through my mind, if I could put that out there. I don't know if that makes sense. Like, yeah, like telepathically. Yeah. So like, you know, the, the, the, the exorcist, whatever, he would ask the spirit and the spirit would talk to my mind. He didn't allow the, the spirits or the demons to speak verbally. And when they did, they were like just gone. He didn't, he didn't allow it at all.

But he allowed them to talk to my mind. And that way I can translate what they were saying to him. And I think it was more of a protection and for himself and for myself. And I don't know, explain that. That's just, that's really hard to explain. And yeah,

so that's kind of what happened. And there was a lot of visuals. I had, a lot of out-of-body experiences at that point. You know, I saw like this spirit at one point that came out of me that looked like a big black cloth flying through the air. And it just kind of shot out of the room and, you know, down the street. The walls were banging. Nothing like Hollywood.

It was definitely not Hollywood, not like the exorcist or anything like that. It was actually very quiet for the most part. And during the whole process, I listened to worship music. Keith Green, to be exact, you know, just good, good music. And so there was just, you know, so the whole process was, there was like a hierarchy. You had to cut out the hierarchy. And once you cut out the hierarchy, then you conquer that whole mountain, whatever. of spirits.

And you just knock them out and they're done. And during that process of exorcism, we got close to being done. We could tell we're done because there was not a lot coming forward. And it was just getting quiet. And there's a lot of peace and a lot of like solitude that I had. I don't know how to explain that. Just a lot of peace.

And I could hear the holy, spirit me speaking clearer than ever before. And it was more like a four-year confession of all the things I've done. And it was just nice to get it all off my chest. And during that process, you know, I felt really bad about my older, you know, sister-in-law who still kept seeing peek-a-boo. And so I decided to from my mentor's house exercise my sister-in-law at her place. And because of like authority issues, I was able to do that.

I don't know, explain that, like the authority of, like the spiritual authority of the house. And so I was able to exercise her from a distance. And when I did, I wanted to get rid of peekaboo from her life. And so I started praying, we started praying to, you know, to exercise peekaboo from my older sister-in-law's life. And the spirit, peekaboo came zipping up right out of nowhere and like got right in my face. and and was just beyond, beyond angry at me. And I did see her then.

And we exercised her and we got rid of her. And my older sister-in-law never saw her ever again after that. So there you go. That's the, that's the, that's the, the exorcism experience. Man. Four years of that. So that was. very tiring. I remember that, but very, very good.

It sounds draining. I'm also sitting here thinking about the consistency, the persistence and consistency that would take to do that for four years. Did you ever come across a period of time where you just was like, I don't want to do this again. I'm just done. Yeah, yeah, there's moments, but, you know, I think it's like work. When you don't want to go to work, you keep working. You know, your feet just. just push you along and your body pushes you along and you just keep doing what you need to do. So that's kind of how I treated it. Even though I myself might not want to do it, I just my body pushed me to do it.

So I showed up every week. And plus I just, I really liked my mentor. I thought he was a really good dude. And it was such a spiritual blessing to be there. It was almost like a worship service. I don't know how explain that. Like, because you're there to meet God in the process of deliverance. Yep.

That makes sense. Yeah. All right. So we're at this point now. And is, is this the point where we, we cross into the jail time? We could, yeah. Yep. Okay.

So what we'll do is I want you to share, uh, the, this experience of, you know, how, I guess, I guess how you wound up in jail for seven months. And, uh, and then on the next segment, we'll get into life, uh, after jail with your wife when you guys moved into that small church. Okay. Yeah. I can definitely do that. And as I was in jail, I had a lot of experiences too. We'll cover that in the, the, uh, the next segment. Okay. Sounds good. Uh, so what landed me, what landed me in jail. My wife and I decided to do foster care.

And we moved into an apartment and we decided to do foster care. And we had, I think, a total of, I think it was nine kids in one year under the age of three. And not that that matters, you know, whatever. But we took care of foster kids. And at one point, I had a dream, I think it was about a year into foster care that I had a dream. And in the dream, this demon showed up. And it had, it came to my, you know, came right before me and it started poking my chest. And it started, you know, beating my chest and poking it and with like really sharp claws.

And it was saying, I got you. I got you. And I was like, what the heck is, you know, what do you mean? You know, and I woke up and I had, you know, poke marks on my chest that were bleeding. You know, it drew blood in my, you know, in my sleep. And I got worried. And so I, yeah, I. So the next morning, I got a phone call from a lawyer saying that the police were coming out to arrest me.

And I said, you know, I was kind of, you know, I was like, what the, you know, what is going on, you know? And so I get arrested and for a crime I've never committed or, I don't know, explain that. like, yeah, I just got arrested for, I'm struggling through this, man, this is hard. I understand. Are you debating in your mind whether you want to say what you got arrested for? Yeah. Okay. Because people, you know, I understand.

If you don't want to say, you don't have to say. But, you know, I, at least for me on my end, man, you're like, you're not going to talk to the audience. You know what I mean? for me on my end and stuff uh i'll just tell you man like i mean i've never been to jail and stuff but i have i i can't tell you how many friends who i've had that have gone to jail because they actually did the crime uh i've i have countenance of friends that i've had to pick up and put in rehabs like you're talking to a guy who's not going to be like oh cheapers i'm talking to somebody who got put in jail you know like that's like i've i've dealt with jail in my life

my entire adult life through friends and stuff. So, um, but it's up to you, man. I don't care. Well, I'll just, I'll just say I got arrested. So. Yeah. So, so, yeah. I, uh, so I got arrested and I got placed in jail and I was in there for a good seven

months in solitary confinement. And I'm not exactly sure. I think it was, I think it was maybe about a month or two while I was in there. that I found out what I was arrested for. Really? Yeah. It was, I was arrested for like,

like, under terrorist, uh, under the terrorist laws or something like that. Um, so they couldn't tell me what I was arrested for. Um, I had no.

Thanks a lot, President Bush. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Bush. Um, and so that's not what it was for,

but that's kind of what they arrested me as under. And so I was in there. And, yeah, it just, that's for me when life changed. I had some really, really good experiences while I was in there. Spiritual experiences, not bad ones, but really good ones. They kind of outweighed the bad in my previous, you know, what happened previously. Yeah. So, and that's it.

perfect so uh uh i think that's a spot where we'll leave off here and we'll cover up in the cover start off in the next segment where uh we'll cover your experiences in jail and then we'll move into life after jail i have a feeling that that the next segment is probably going to be a little on the longer side so uh i'm just i think we got a lot of stuff to cover and so anybody who's a member uh they can just tune into the overtime segment right now and it's available for you sitting there waiting for you. Nick, listen, man, I appreciate making the time to share this first hour, almost hour and a half and buckle up. We got more coming, man. All right. Thank you very much. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it.

And if you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. I don't care where or how you share the show. Just share the show if you enjoyed it because that's the best thing you can do to help the show grow. Just share the show. We greatly appreciate it. And just a reminder, we have Nick here for the overtime section available right now for members only. We're He talks about getting put in jail and the crazy things he experienced in jail with other inmates. Absolutely bizarre stuff. And then on Thursday, when he gets out of jail, that's where we pick up on Thursday. Him and his wife are pretty much homeless.

They're invited to live at a church. And it turns out this church was extremely haunted. And I think personally it has a lot to do with the people who are actually running the church. Bizarre people. Very bizarre situation. And that's on Thursday with Nick for the third installment. Listen, friends, I greatly appreciate you being here. Thank you very much for listening on a weekly basis.

And as we get out of here, you'll be able to listen to the beginning of the overtime segment. So until next week, friends, stay safe, take care, and remember, the truth was set you free. But first, they'll piss you off. Bye. Okay, we're back for round two with my man, Nick. Nick, how you doing, man? Doing good. Awesome, man.

So, listen, we are recording here, and I'm looking at my recording, actually. and it's not doing what I thought it would do. But it's okay. It's still working. Anyway, sorry, I got distracted there. Squirrel! I, I, um, we did an initial recording and now we're going to be doing this one where it's, we're transitioning into, uh, you know, basically what you experienced within the, the prison system,

but, you know, let, I mean, if you're okay with it, we, if you can share how this whole thing unfolded, how you got there and stuff, because you said that, uh, you didn't do what you were accused of. And if I remember correctly, I don't have my notes in front of me. I believe you said you spent seven years in prison? No, it's seven months in jail. Okay. Yeah, protective custody. Okay, got you. In protective custody? Yeah. Wow. Okay. Listen, if you are okay with share, just share whatever you're okay with. Let's just put it that way, okay? Because I don't want to put you in a position where you feel obligated to say certain things. I know you struggle with PTSD from this whole experience. So if you could just share what you can as far as like the process of what happened to get you there. If you,

if it's just, you know, hey, something happened. I didn't do it. I was in jail. Let's start from there. That's fine. Just, uh, walk us into, you know, this whole situation of unfolding for you, man. All right. So I'm going to rehash a little bit. Um, what was, uh, said the last time. And we went over, uh, my exorcism. I believe I was incarcerated, uh, because of the results of the exorcism. And, you know, of course, I can't really prove that, but it just kind of, kind of went that way. So one night, I had a, after the exorcism, I had a dream. And in the dream, I was faced with the demon.

This demon came to me and he started poking my chest, or it started poking my chest. I keep wanting to say he. But it came and poked my chest and it was telling me, I got you. I got you. It was like, like the air of getting back at me. like it was revenge. And it was poking my chest so hard that I woke up with actual blood on my chest. And so the physical, you know, it manifested physically on my body like the dream did.

And in that day, I got a phone call saying I was going to be arrested. And they were going to send out SWAT and all that kinds of helicopters. I was going to be on the news and all that kind of stuff. And I was like, no way. I'm not going to, I don't want to be on the news. I don't want to be, you know, I don't know what's going on, but I'm just going to turn myself in and figure this from that point on. So I went to the nearest jailhouse or the nearest police station.

And I turned myself in. And I actually had no idea what I was arrested for until about three months after. the arrest. Wow. They wouldn't tell me. I was arrested under some sort of terrorist law. I don't know what it was. I never really looked into it, but it was the...