The Confessionals - RELOADED | 464: The Bigfoot, The Witch, and The Dogman

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

In Episode 464: The Bigfoot, The Witch, and The Dogman we are joined by Erick Szilagyi from the uNcomfortable podcast. Erick was connected to me by Joel from VanTesla, who has been a guest on Erick's show several times. Erick comes to the table with many experiences to share, but it was his experience with a witch that kicks off the show. Erick was just beginning his podcast and got connected to a witch who was willing join his show for a conversation. Erick decided to meet up with her in person to record, and that meeting turned into dinner plus more. What then ensues Erick describes as one of the most bizarre nights of his life. From Bigfoot coming close to their location, unexplainable vocalizations, unnatural hyper-sexualized tensions, to dogman guarding the witch and the witch herself physically transforming before Erick's eyes! Needless to say, he has a jaw-dropping story. Following the initial episode, we decided to do an Overtime segment for members that lasted almost three hours! Erick shares all his other experiences and they are just as bizarre as the first hour, including a story that is so personally sensitive for him that we can't speak or even hint about it publicly.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereBigfoot: The Journey To Belief: Stream HereThe Meadow Project: Stream HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - ShutUp N DriveYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me that you built a time machine? Out of a Dolion? Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within them's house. Time travel is possible. Merkel.

Media. This is going to make me sound like an absolute. freaking whack job. But as I'm telling her this, the lines on her face just kind of smooth out. And her coat goes away and her clothes go away. And she is sitting on the corner of the bed with her legs crossed, being completely nude and being maybe like a 20-year-old. version of herself.

This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast.

It spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Got closer, got closer, got sparse him, when he got about 15 yards away from me, I raised that 12 days, and I blow this head up. I feel something pulling at my leg, and I look over, and there are two small gray entities pulling it. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe. And I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster.

Okay, I reloaded. Yeah. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you've a crazy wild experience, you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email or go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com. Hit the contact section. You can reach me that way as well. It works for me. Just get a hold of me. If you want more shows on a weekly basis,

we drop a bonus show on Thursdays to the members on the website and the Castos app. And on the Castos app, you get the Tuesday shows ad free and access to the overtime segments. And today is an overtime show. In fact, we actually have Eric on the line with us right now. Eric, say hi. Hello there. What's up? How you doing, buddy?

So we got Eric here, but Eric, go back on mute for a second. We're going to finish the business here first. So as I was saying, if you guys want, you can go on the website and become members and get access to the Thursday shows, which are member shows, the Tuesday shows, ad free, and the overtime segments like today with Eric. But with that said, friends, we have Eric here from the uncomfortable podcast. Eric, how you doing, brother? Doing really well, Tony. Thanks for having me on again, man. Yeah. So people are saying, wait, again. No, Eric has never been on this show before. This is the very first episode. but we recorded this first interview people are going to hear on March 8th before I even moved to Tennessee. And then we decided we wanted to do it overtime because there's a whole lot more.

Whole lot. Like a whole. Listen, like people, what people are about to hear, they're going to be like, holy crap. Like people are going to be freaking out. They're going to freak out of their minds when they hear this interview they're about to listen to. The overtime is just more of that. And so it's been months now. We're recording this July 27th.

It's been months since you and I have talked and stuff, but I'm now finally here in Tennessee, and we're going to do the overtime segment with the people. But before we get to today's interview plus the overtime segment, I wanted to kind of give you an opportunity to talk to the people right now for this first segment of this conversation about your conference you're pulling off here. I think you said what next month, right? Oh, yeah. September 10th. September 10th is going to be if anybody's familiar with Southwest Michigan, it's the DeWiwai. Jack area and Dowajack is pretty well known for something that happened back in 1964, which was the Dewey Lake Monster.

Summer of 1964, there were a series of sightings of this seven to eight foot tall, hair covered creature and all of the descriptions and everything that was in the newspaper and the witness testimonies. Everything points to it having been something very much akin to. a Bigfoot. So I've decided to do a host an event at the Sister Lakes Brewing Company. They're into Wajack, Michigan, just a couple of minutes away from the original sightings. And it's going to be called Bigfoot and Brews.com.

Or I'm sorry, Bigfoot and Brews. And you can get all the information you want at bigfoot and brews.com. Tickets are on sale now. We're going to have a full day of speakers. We've got Ron Moorhead, who's famous for the Sierra. sounds, he's coming into town. He'll be the main speaker. And then the rest of the day is going to be filled with speakers that have already been guests on my show. So it's going to kind of be a best of uncomfortable. They're all Michigan-based researchers and experiences as far as

the topic of Bigfoot in the state of Michigan. So it's super excited about it. Can't wait. It's coming up quick. Tickets are going fast. So if everybody in that area is interested. Man, I suggest getting over to bigfoot and bruise.com and there's chances for you to be a sponsor if you want to help make it a bigger and better show. Vendor stables are available. You can get all that information on the site. And we're just super super excited about it. This is my first attempt at dipping my toes into run at a conference.

But it's going to be a lot different because it's a lot more intimate. It's at a brewery. It's going to be held outside behind the, they have a permanently tended structure back there. We're going to have all their food. We're going to rename everything to be kind of crypted sounding food, food items. They got great beer there. And it's the only place you can get the Dewey Lake Monster IPA. They don't sell it in stores or anything.

It's the only place you can get it. So we're really excited about that coming up. That's awesome, man. So let's just tell the people, if they want, go ahead and hit them up on the website. The link is in the description of this episode. maybe you'll see a familiar face up there. I don't know. Eric, am I coming up there or not? Man, I would love to have you come up there, dude. I absolutely would love to have you come up there. You said it was September 8th? September 10th.

September 10th. Listen, I will check my schedule. This is absolutely unplanned, but I'll check my schedule, see if I can make it up there and stuff. So I'm people listening right now. I'm not saying I'm going to be there, but I might be there. So we'll see. Well, I got a message from our friend Joel Thomas a couple of days ago. And he said he was considering the possibility of also being able to come up and bring his co-host from Kill the Mockingbirds. Yes. Yeah, everybody should follow that podcast to Kill the Mockingbirds. Joel Thomas from Van Tesla. He's been on the show multiple times.

He's one of my partners in crimes for the films. And he's the guy with the Red Beard that does awesome music. So, you know, maybe you'll see familiar faces there. But if you're interested, the link is in the description of this episode. With that said, let's just get to this week's episode. episode, we have Eric coming on and sharing his experience with a date that he had that was also a witch. We were talking about his experience.

I mean, things got big footy, things got naked. It was crazy. Let's get to Eric's date right now. Okay, today we got Eric on the show. Eric, how you doing, man? Doing well, Tony. How are you? I'm doing good, man, doing good.

So, listen, Eric, you heard, I guess you heard my megacast, right? You liked the idea? I did. Yeah, I did. I thought that was a great little service that you were doing to other podcasters. And it was a unique idea. I thought it was a great thing. Yeah, I'll tell you what.

I don't know if I'm ever going to do the Megacast again. The production that was involved in the megacast was more than I was prepared for. And I remember I had it all as one file. And then I went to go upload it. And the service I used to upload my podcast episodes, they're like, your file was too big. I'm like, what? So I had to split it into, you know, part one and part two. And I was just like, this sucks. Like, I was like, this started out as a good idea. And that's about as far as it went. It was a good idea. But it was a pain in the butt. So, I mean,

it's not to discourage anybody. But if you contact me as a podcast, there chances are there won't be a megacast. It'll just be you on a cast. So. Well, that works as well. So, yeah. So, Eric, man, tell people about your podcast. Actually, just turned a year old. It's called Uncomfortable. Just turned a year old back in February. And I've had a new new show every week. I think I put out maybe 10 little bonus shows along the way.

And it just, it was born out of one, hearing shows like yourself, West Ghermer's Sasquatch Chronicles, subjects that I've been like really, really steeped in for the majority of my life. And, you know, I would find myself listening to you guys and be like, oh, you got to ask this question. You got to ask this question. And then you would ask it or, you know, Wes would ask it. And I'm like, all right, yeah, you know, let's not pass this by. You got to, you got to focus on that one topic or that piece of information.

And I just started thinking to myself, it's like, you know, there's enough people out there with experiences with all kinds of weird stuff. And my show is all topics of high strangeness, fringe topics, fringe reality stuff. And I just, you know, the pandemic hit. And I was doing a small local show for a really small community with a buddy of mine. And we pretty much just did local sports. and stuff like that. And I kept wanting to squeeze these weird shows in every once in a while. And it was like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole with him.

He's a great guy, but it just didn't, it didn't mesh with that show. And excuse me. So I decided to invest the money in some good equipment. And I just had this framework of what I wanted to do. and I wanted to start talking to people with similar experiences that I've had throughout my life and hear their stories and do it in a way that wasn't threatening, wasn't alienating anybody, wasn't ambushing them, you know, to get them to talk about their crazy stuff and then beat them up about it. So, yeah, and that's where uncomfortable kind of just was born. and, you know, the name is, you know, they're uncomfortable topics for some people to hear about. They're uncomfortable topics for some people to talk about.

And up until I think it was my fifth episode, I finally realized that it was also going to make me feel uncomfortable at some point as well. And that's one we can talk about when I did dinner with a witch. And that was a bizarre three hours of my life, to be honest with you. So you did, you had dinner with The Witch. I did. Yeah, I had a, I had a listener, you know, and this was, I think I only had three episodes out, four episodes out. I think I might have had two in the can, you know, so I had like a two-week buffer, but I was, I was like, I need a show. And out of the clear blue, this guy messages me in, says,

hey, I know of a good interview for you. And basically she is a Native American witch. And I thought it would be, I thought it'd be a cute hook for the title of the show to be dinner with witch or date night with a witch or, you know, something like that. And so my idea was I was going to contact her and I was going to ask her out for dinner. and we would, you know, take an hour or hour and 15, 20 minutes and get acquainted over something to eat and maybe a drink or two and then go into doing the interview, right? But, you know, the culture today is a little, a little against guys doing things the way guys do them. So I started thinking to myself, you know, maybe I'm not going to, maybe I'm not going to ask her out to dinner. and I'm probably not going to end up ending the name in the show,

dinner with a, or date night with a witch or dinner with a witch. So I opted not to ask her out. I was just going to go meet her at her home. She lived about 35 minutes away from me, and I thought we'd do the interview in person. So let me, hold on a second, before you go further, all right? Yeah, yeah.

Do you make a habit of asking your guests out on dates before you interview them? I mean, like, this is a moment. This is something I've never heard of it before. No, it is not a habit that I make. I just had this idea in my head that I thought it would be a cute, you know, because I wasn't really looking for a gimmick to get people to listen to my show, but I was looking for that, you know, how you name each one of your episodes, right? You know, it dragged me from under a door, you know, it chased me through the woods,

something like that. And I just thought date night with a witch just kind of would be, holy crap, what the hell is this show about? I'm going to give it a listen, you know? And then hopefully within the first few minutes, I'd kind of get hooked. And so I ended up deciding not to ask her out for dinner. And I started backing out of my driveway. And as I was, and like I said, I had about a 35 minute drive to get to her where she wanted to do the interview. And my phone goes off. And I looked at it before I pulled out of the driveway. And it's her. And she sent me a message on Messenger. And she says, have you ate yet? And I was like, that was really weird because the whole time I'd been putting together

this show, it was going to take her out to dinner, right? So I messaged her and I said, no, actually, you know, I already have grader something to eat, but I said, if you're, if you need to, we can back this up like a half hour if you need to grab something. And she goes, oh, shoot. And I said, honestly, it's not a big deal. You know, we can back it up a little bit. And she goes, are you sure you don't want to go get something to eat? And I was, you know, my mind's kind of like, because I had already, even after just a couple of episodes, I started getting these weird synchronicities that kind of followed through from show to show.

And I said, listen, if you want to go grab something, I'll go with you. I'll have a drink, but I've already, I've already ate. So she says, perfect. I'll be ready when you get here. And so I get to her house. And she opened the door. And Tony, I'm not going to say this because I don't want to come off sounding like I'm a a predator or a, you know, a male, a male jigolo or, you know, I'm only out for, for sexual

encounters. But I have to say when I opened up, when she opened up the door and I saw her, I was immediately hit with a very animalistic drive. Let's put it that way. So a strong sexual drive, right? That's what you're saying. Yeah. And it was, you know, when I say this, let me ask you, before you go further with that, looking back at it, when you lay eyes, when your mind's eye lays eyes on her, do you still have that sense of she was sexy? Or was it one of those things in the moment you're like, I don't know why I feel this way because normally she's not my type? 100%. And this is no offense to her because she's a lovely woman. Not my type. type of woman.

Just not my, not in my demographic, not who I would typically, you know, work my way towards meeting and introducing myself to and, you know, trying to get to know. This was, this was a very, this was a very one focused sexual thing. And I, you know, I'm a guy. And as a guy who likes women, I like women. And, you know, but I can tell you, Tony, that the feelings that I was having towards, towards her, the first sight of her was not me. It was not, it was not a typical of how I, how I behave. So that was an unusual feeling for me.

So I did the gentlemanly thing and I opened the door for her. We got in the car and we drove, I don't know, maybe 20 minutes to this little bar restaurant. And we sat down. She ordered dinner. I ordered a drink. and she ended up ordering a steak in mushrooms and french fries and she's a tiny little thing and I was like, good Lord, man, where are you going to put all this stuff, you know? And I was going to pay for it just out of thanking her for doing the interview.

And she says, don't worry, I'm paying for it. So I've already got a checklist in my head going that, you know, I was originally going to ask her out to dinner. And I decided not to because I didn't want to offend anybody that might be listening to the show or offend her or, you know, I just didn't want to offend anybody. So I chose not to do it. But then she asked me to go to dinner. How does, okay, before you continue with this checklist, I, I, listen, I have not been in the dating scene for half my life now. I've been with my wife since I was 18. I'm 36 now. You're lucky man. I really am. But I don't understand what's offensive about any, the idea of asking

her to dinner. Boy, Tony, you know, sometimes you turn on the TV and maybe it's not as prevalent now as it was a year, year and a half ago. But, you know, the, you know, There seemed to be some real man bashing. Oh, okay. I see. You know what I mean? Gotcha.

Like our behavior was being judged by whoever. And I didn't, you know, I was trying to get a new podcast off on the right foot. And I became hyper aware of, man, if I do this and it's received in a bad light, I could be shooting myself in the foot, right? So over overthinking is what I'm hearing right now because. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I totally get it because I've been there and I still struggle with that myself from time to time, you know?

Like I don't want to offend people. I just got to the point where I'm just like, I'm going to offend somebody with something I say almost on a weekly basis. It is what it is. So what you're talking about is the whole toxic masculinity thing. Absolutely. I got you. I got you.

Okay. We can move off of that because I'm trying to steer people towards your podcast. So we can move. If you're afraid it's going to offend people, we'll just move away from it. But go ahead with the checklist. Checklist. I just said chick list. See, I just offended somebody. Yeah. And to be clear, Tony, I mean, I don't think there's anything about my show that exhibits any toxic masculinity. I was just that hyper aware of trying, you know, it's a new upstart. It's a new business. It's a new venture for me. It's, you know, I mean, I haven't made a dime off of the show. But. it was something that I was feeling really passionate about,

and I didn't want to kill it by acting in a way or doing something wrong right off the bat. I'll tell you what, it might have been one of the best moves you've ever made by doing something like that and going public with it because there's a lot of people out there that want a free dinner. And if they know that you're going to buy dinner, then you'll have people lying up to come on your show. Possibly, possibly. So, you know, we did the dinner thing.

and, you know, she ate. I had a drink or two. And the bill came to the table and moved $46 even. 46.00. I can't remember ever going anywhere in pain an even number like that. That was just an odd. It was an odd receipt to get, you know, a ticket at the table. And I told her, I said, you know, don't worry about it.

I'll get it. It's my thank you for doing the interview. And so we got done. We left and we drove back to her home. And while we were going back to her home, she says, oh, turn around down this road. And we kind of went into a curve. And along that curve was a guardrail that curved along with the curve. And there was an obvious like two track that went back into the woods.

And this area, you know, I mean, it was residential. house. Houses weren't on top of each other. That's for sure. They were sparsely placed. But she said, pull up here. So I pulled up to the guardrail and she says, this is where my big boy lives. And I just kind of looked at her and I said, who's your big boy? And she goes, SETI. And I'm sure I had a quizzical look on my face. And she says, that's where the big boy lives. And she got out of the car and she said, roll your window down. And she put her hands up to either side of her face. And she just, whoop, out into the woods. And it was, it was a, it was a big foot wop. I mean, essentially is what it was that she did. And I'm going to say that I heard something come back.

And she got back in the car. And we drove around this car. curve and then like all of a sudden, boom, we were at her house. So wherever that, wherever that road was that had the curve in it, that had the guardrail, that was like within a block of, of her home. But we went like down two streets and it was, it was, it kind of discombobulated where I thought I was going one way, but I wasn't. I was going a different way.

And then we wind up right at her home. And so I thought that was kind of, I thought that was weird that she got out of the car. And this was, this was going to be an interview about her being a Native American witch. And she apparently has Bigfoot stuff going on. So we got to her house. She opened up the front door. I carried my equipment in. And she led me up this really narrow stairs up into the upstairs of the house.

And I mean, it was tight, Tony. It was tight. I'm, you know, I'm only 5'9, but I'm like 270 pounds, 260 pounds. I'm pretty good-sized guy. And my shoulders, I had to turn sideways to get my equipment and me up the stairs. And we get to this door and she opens the door. And there's a bed. And I was like, what?

hell is going on here. Toxic masculinity. Forget that. Toxic femininity. So I'm like, she says, is this okay? And I said, yeah. I'm sorry.

Is this okay? I'm picturing this as a comedy almost. Like in my head, I'm like, don't take your shirt off, bro. Just wait for further clarification before you get too excited. Yeah. So, and quite honestly, I mean, that what you just said, that's going through my head.

It's like, so, so I've got this, I've got this interview to do, right? And I've got this great framework in my head of, you know, how I'm going to produce a show and, and put it out. But I've, I've got this new thing where when I, when I'm looking at her, I've got, I've got more than just an interview on my mind. And it's, you know, I'm not going to say that I've never looked at another woman and found myself attracted to her. And, you know, but this was, this was just kind of odd. And then she leads me up this narrow hallway upstairs and we go into a bedroom. And I'm kind of like, I'm trying to figure it out, to be honest with you. So I kind of just.

okay, let's get everything set up. Let me get the microphones out. Let me get the roadcaster out. And let's start talking and everything will level out. Okay. So I'm sitting in this chair that's up against the wall. And to my left hand side of me, there is the door that we came into that room. Well, when we came into that room, she closed the door behind me.

And, you know, if I'm being honest, there was a portion of, of me that was thinking that something was going to happen, you know, of a sexual nature. Okay. Because that's where my head was at right now. And so she sits down in front of me and we've got this basically, it's like a card table in front of us and I've got the mics on it. And so we start talking and we get, she's a very interesting woman. I mean, she can, she can, she can.

race back her family lineage on both are, I think, are on her father's side all the way back to Chief Cornstalk. Is that right? Chief Cornstalk? Yeah. The guy that ultimately placed the curse on Point Pleasant West Virginia. Wow. Where the, where the mothband sightings were. He was actually married to Pocahontas's sister. And on her mom, mom's side, they've apparently been able to trace their lineage back to actual druids over in Europe. You know, so you talk about, hey, my ancestors come from Hungary, you know, and we've been here for quite a long time. It's not like we had any descendants that just came over on the boat. but when you're talking like two,

three hundred years that they can go back in on both sides of her family. And I thought that was pretty astounding. So we talked about that for a while. And, you know, I'm sitting there. I'm up against a wall. I'm looking at her. I've got unnatural affinity for, you know, what I want to do.

There's a bed behind her. And I'm looking around this room. And everywhere I look, there's some kind of a statue or a painting or a picture or, you know, of some kind of a cryptid, whether it be a wolfman, a werewolf, a dogman, crows, dream catchers are hanging all around. And, you know, it's just, man, it was kind of a surreal atmosphere that I found myself in. And as she was talking, she started telling me about somebody who had previously lived in that house and was an older African-American woman who actually passed away in the house. And so let me back up real quick and say that when we got to the house, she said that her brother also lived there. He was disabled to some extent. And she was living there helping take care of him.

So, okay. now we go back to we're in the bedroom the door is closed we're having our conversation and she's telling me about this native american or this uh african-american woman who passed away in the house and as i'm sitting there and i'm paying attention to what she's telling me i see this hand reach through the doorway and just kind of um just kind of shake the hand like like somebody was waving you know just real quick and out of my left-hand peripheral vision i see this you know, not quite up to the elbow, but the hand and the forearm reach in and wave. And I immediately think to myself that that was her brother's arm and he was just like letting her know that he was there, but he wasn't going to interrupt or whatever. And a few moments go by and I just kind of glanced off to the left hand side. The door is closed. And the doorknob was close to my left shoulder. So if that door would have opened, I certainly would have seen the door open.

I was literally within 12 inches of it. That door didn't open. I saw an arm reach through a closed door and wave at her, right as she's telling me about this African-American lady who passed away in the house before they started living there. So now I'm like, holy shit, did I just see a ghost? Did I just freaking see a ghost put its arm through the door? You know, I mean, I can't tell you if it was white and pasty or see-through or anything like that. All I can tell you is I know that I saw a hand and the thumb seemed to be pointing towards me. So I'm assuming it was a left hand that reached through the door and just shook at the wrist and like waved at her.

Did she acknowledge it? I can't answer that. I don't know. I've thought about that too. And, you know, I don't videotape my, my bedroom interview encounters. So I didn't have anything to go back in. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.

Next time you go to a witch's house and do an interview in person after dinner and it's hypersexualized situation, do yourself a favor for legal purposes. Here cameras. Wear a GoPro. So, but, you know, I did think about that. And honestly, I can't tell you if, um, if. she would have made any kind of motion with her head or anything to indicate that she had seen it. I don't remember her doing so.

If she did, it went unrecognized by me. So, you know, now I'm like, I'm thinking $46 even. That was weird. I was going to ask her out for dinner, decided not to. She asked me out for dinner. Pretty much wouldn't take no for an answer. she opens up the door. I'm like, I got urges like crazy.

And then she brings me back to her house and we're going to do an interview in her bedroom, two feet away from her bed. And then, you know, I got a ghost arm reaching through, you know. And I might be a, I might be 90 minutes into this whole ordeal at this point. And we start, we start going more into the conversation. and, you know, she's talking about she is an actual witch in the sense of what we would consider a witch. Because I thought maybe by being a Native American witch, she meant maybe more something like a shaman or, you know, a Native American healer or something like that. She clarified that she was a witch.

And she also made no bones about telling me that she, uh, was pretty much a gray witch. She, she had no problems with using the, the, the white magic, the light, the good. Um, but she also had no problems delving into the darker side and the, and the dark magic. Um, and she started telling me about some of the, um, some of the gods, little G gods that she uses, one of which was Loki, um,

from Norris mythology, and she started telling me about how she had this protector that was basically either a werewolf or a dog man that was her, like, spirit protector. So she had a spirit protector that was in the form of a, like, a dog man or wolf? Yes. Yes. And apparently, and I thought it was odd that she brought this up, but she said, said some of the men that she has been involved with had been scared away by this thing because it had shown itself to them. And she said, so if you see it and then just kind of, you know, looked at me. And I was like, good Lord, you know, what the hell am I? What the hell have I gotten myself into here?

So we continue talking about that. And the conversation kind of led into. about what I had experienced when we pulled off to the side by that guardrail. And I said, so you have you have Bigfoot in this area. And she goes, oh, yeah. She says, they're all over the place here. Now, you know, the area that she's in, I'm going to give her, I'll give you a rundown on, you know, most of it was farmland, interspersed with woods. I know there was a good-sized river that was running through.

I'm not going to say the name of the river because I don't want to give away the property too much. The river ran behind her house. There was a bit of a valley right down her backyard would lead down into this little valley. There was pretty good. Some people would call it a creek. I would say it was a little bit bigger than a creek. And then on the other side, it would go back up. And it was all wooded and it was woods for its far.

as you could see behind it. And she said that she would leave offerings out for them. And they would even come up as close as the back porch and take food off the back porch that she would leave out for them. And so we're in this conversation. And like I said before, you know, she's in front me. The bed is two feet behind her. And then the back wall of this bedroom is all windows.

and these windows are looking out across the front street, the street in front of their house, into an open field that maybe 75, 80 feet off the road, there's this island of trees in it. You know, you go past a farmland and you see this little pocket of trees that never got torn down. You always wonder, why the hell do they leave that up? Why do they plow around it? Why don't it just get rid of them? That's kind of like what this was. and the next thing that happened was, and I still have a hard time fathoming the physical reaction that I have.

There was a very loud, very voluminous scream that. I thought I heard and she and I both reacted to it. And when I say I thought I heard it, I'll try to explain what I mean by that. We both reacted instantaneously when we heard this thing. Now, we both had over the ear headphones on and we were listening to each other's audio through through the roadcaster. So this, this noise that came through this room was. loud that it shot through the, through the mics, through the, um, the headphones. And I had, dude, I had goose bumps on every inch of my body. I've never had chill bumps on my

torso or on my, you know, on the sides of my, my, my, my sternum. It was, my hair was standing up on my arms. I held my arm up and I looked at her and she held her arm up and she goes, did you hear that? And I said, yeah, what the hell was that? And she says, that was him. And I said, that was who? And she goes, that was SETI. That was the big boy. And Tony, I'm going to tell you that for from the time it happened for a good two minutes, my body was going through something that I've never experienced before. And I was getting these chills all over. And then it would fade.

And then it would come back. And it might not be quite as strong as it was initially. And then it would fade off. And the goosebumps would kind of go away. But then they'd come back. And it wasn't quite as strong as it was the time before that. It was like a weird ebb and flow, like a tide that was rolling out and then would roll back in.

And, you know, I was, I had to edit part of that out because there was, there was a lot of dead error because I really just, I had no idea what to say. And I got so excited because I knew that with the quality of equipment that I had set up in that room, that I surely picked that up. And I was like, I can't wait until I get home. Do you say that again? My apology. Holy crap, I jumped. I just jumped so hard there. What in the hell?

What the heck? Like, I'm not kidding you. I got chills on my body. That is a voice I did not expect to hear. Oh, my God. Oh, my Lord. What did you say to bring that up? I have no idea.

We'd have to go back and listen to what. Oh man. Was that your phone? That was my watch. Was it like an Apple watch? Yeah. So you, like, did you say Siri or something? You were saying SETI, but that wasn't like you just said it just there. Yeah.

No. Wow. That's wild, dude. Okay. I'm going to leave that in because that's, that's some right there. That's some gold. That's what we call radio gold in the industry. So, wow. Okay, so, you know, I'm trying to come to terms with what I heard.

And to me, it was, it was extremely loud. We both reacted to it immediately. She had chill bumps on her arm. I had chill bumps all over. And Tony, honestly, the first thing that ran through my mind is shit. I left my freaking gun out in the car. that's the first thing that went through my head immediately. And the second thing that went through my head was, God damn it, I got 40 pounds of dog food in my back seat. Why? Oh.

Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, you know, and I thought, God, what a weird combination of things to have go through my head. Right.

And so, you know, we kind of got past, this but in the back of my head i'm thinking man i can't wait till i'm done with this so i can get home because you know it was on a weekday night i work a regular job during the day but there was no way i was not going to transfer this audio on my computer and isolate what just happened so that i can send it to my son and anybody else who knows that i'm you know kind of a bigfoot nut and uh i guess i can jump ahead and say that when i when i isolated that you can

hear her finishing a sentence and the last word of the sentence that she gets out of her mouth is the word and and right as she's pronouncing the d the d sound at the end of the word and way in the background in the most faintest sound you can hear this this little this little whoop and it made no it made absolutely no sense to me because because in person it sounded so loud it gave you chills. So like you're you're expecting this to be very voluminous on the recording 100% and I was floored. I was like what in the hell? There was nothing. And then I you know, I cranked up the volume and I could just hear that little whoop at the end of her pronunciation of the the D. So, you know, that that was that was very quizzical after

but you know, I'll get back to the interview with her. We went on to continue to talk about some things. And, you know, it was a very interesting show. She was a very nice lady. I didn't get any amount of BS coming from her. She seemed to be very, very enthralled as a wrong world, but she seemed that the lifestyle of being a witch was something that she was very, it incorporated a lot of her life. She, she was really into being a witch. And,

you know, we talked about her coven, which she, she really would not go into numbers as far as how many other witches were in the area. But she said you'd be astounded to know how many are in practicing in, in the area that she was. And I thought that was, I thought that was pretty interesting. Kind of, kind of scary, but interesting. And, you know, they have gatherings on a, on a regular basis, and they, they affect, uh, they affect change for people that need it, whether it's somebody who needs, uh, needs money or whether somebody was done wrong. And, you know, somebody needs to be taught a lesson. Um, I mean, the, they kind of run the gamble. as far as, you know, doing good things and doing bad things.

So that was, you know, that was a little unnerving for me. But we get towards the end of the evening. And she, I think at this point we had already shut off the recording and I was getting everything packed up. And she says to me, she's like, oh, I've, I got to get you in touch with a friend of mine. he'd be great on your show. And I said, oh, really? And she goes, yeah, absolutely.

And I sat back down and I said, is his name Eric? And she said, how did you know? And I said, I didn't. But I've been trying to get a hold of this guy named Eric for like a month and a half, two months. Because my very first interview was with a demonologist out of Kalamazoo, Michigan. and he suggested that I talked to this gentleman by the name of Eric Vernor. Now, Eric was an author who went by the name of, oh, God, I can't remember his pen name, but it sounded like a vampire, you know, but his real name is Eric Vernor. And he is a reverend in the Church of Satan in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

He says, I know that it seems odd that I'm associated with the church and that I'm telling you to talk to this guy who's in the church of Satan, but he says he's a very intelligent guy and he says, I think you'd enjoy having a conversation with him. Well, excuse me, this is the same guy that she's recommending that I talk to and she says she's friends with him. and within three days, I get a message from him on the same messenger that I've been trying to get a hold of him for over a month and a half. And he finally responds to me and says, hey, Susan says, I should talk to you. So I was like, man, that's, that's bizarre. How did she pull out of the clear blue knowing nothing about me, knowing nothing about any of my other episodes? and the fact that Eric Vrenora was never brought up during the recording with the demonologist. It was something that we had talked about in a different phone conversation.

How does she wind up bringing the same person up that I'm looking for? So that goes into my checklist of weird shit that's going on. And she sits down on the corner of the bed. And she's already got her coat on. She's got this waist length leather coat. She's sitting there, blue jeans, got her hair pulled up. And she sits down on the corner of the bed. And I'm expressing to her how floored I am that she was able to single out somebody who I was having so much problems getting a hold of.

And as I'm saying this to her, Tony, I'm not shitting you, man. This is going to make me sound like an absolute freaking whack job. But as I'm telling her this, the lines on her face. just kind of smooth out. And her coat goes away, and her clothes go away. And she is sitting on the corner of the bed with her legs crossed, being completely nude and being maybe like a 20-year-old version of herself.

And I lost my words, dude. I absolutely lost my words. And then just like if you, you know, the old etches sketch, when you turn it upside down and you just shake it and everything that you just drew kind of goes away. Yeah. That's that's kind of the effect. It was like a graininess to this shimmer that happened. And then she goes back to being Susan sitting there in blue jeans and a leather jacket. And she leans forward and I still, I got no words.

And I'm sure my look on my face was like what the, and she leaned forward and she just had this, this Cheshire cat grin on her face. And she says, what's matter, hon? What did you see? I didn't say I saw anything. I didn't say anything. And I just said, never mind. Never mind. And I grabbed my stuff and we, we exit.

the room. We went down this narrow hallway, went out through the front door, and I start putting my stuff into my backseat of my car right next to the 40 pounds of dog food. And I closed the back door. She steps out in front of my car. And that's, and she kind of turns her back to me, and she faces away to the back, and she puts her hands back up to her mouth again. And she does another whoop. A dude, within 10 seconds, there is a very loud whoop that comes like, as far as the direction goes, you know, I can only guess. But from what it sounded to me, if you went straight back across her property onto that

hill that was on the other side of the river or the stream, I hear a whoop come back. And then as soon as that one goes, I hear another one that seems like it's maybe 60, 70, 100 yards off to my right hand side. I hear another one. And then I hear one from behind me that seemed like it was about as far as the second one, which would have put it right about where that island of trees was that I was telling you when, you know, looking out through that window. And she turns back and she looks at me and she goes, isn't that cool? And I'm like, I'm like, is it though? Is it really cool?

I don't know, because it kind of scared the shit out of me. And, you know, so I said my good nights and I get in the car and Tony, I'm going to be 57 years old in June. And I spent my early 20s as a bouncer in a bar. I'm not afraid of a whole lot. I carry a, I carry a weapon. I'm not typically a scaredy cat. I've had some ghost experiences in my life. Nothing that was ever like super scary.

Like, oh my God, I was just terrified. When I got in my car to drive back home, like I said, her area was pretty rural farmland, intermixed with, you know, trees, lots of trees, and then farmland. and but the road was kind of snaky. It was a lot of S turns. I get in the car and I hit call my son immediately. And I will not, I will not turn on my bright lights because I, Tony, I did not want to see, I didn't want to see light.

I didn't want to see eye shine looking back at me when I was going through these curves looking out at my car. I left my low beams on because I didn't want to see what was in the trees. And my son answers the phone. He goes, hey, what's going on? And I said, Jake, man, I got 35 minute drive home. I said, you got to, you got to stay with me on this. You got to talk me down from this shit because I have no idea what the hell I just went through.

And he starts laughing. He's like, what's going on? And so I told him about, you know, eventually, pretty quick, I got to the point where, I'm telling them about this noise that I heard in that room. And he's like, oh, man, what, what did it sound like? Was it like a whoop? Was it a scream? Was it a yell?

Was it a, you know, was it this? Was it that? Was it this? Was it that? And I love my son and I love my daughter. And I rarely raised my voice at them, you know, but he just kept asking me all these questions. And I was like, God damn it, enough.

I don't know. I don't know what I heard. Okay? All I know is I heard it. And at that point, it hit me that I could not, just like I'm trying to describe it to you, I can't describe what the sound was. Now, I haven't gotten to my house yet to put this audio on the, on a computer. So I don't know what I captured. And I was just, you know, I was frustrated.

I was, and I was getting angry because he kept asking me questions that I couldn't answer. I wasn't getting mad at him because he was. was asking me questions, I was getting angry because I could not answer simple questions that he was asking me. And Tony, it took me, you know, I get home and I put the audio on my computer and I'm, you know, I had to pump up the volume a little bit and I isolated it and I, you know, did a little bit of noise reduction so I could finally hear this thing. And, you know, my stomach just dropped because I, I knew I had a class B or class A, Sasquatch hoop, whoop,

whatever the hell you want to call it, scream on this recording. And I had this little, you know, it could have almost been, you know, like the tail end of a small owl. And, I mean, you get our reactions on the recording. You get our conversation on the recording, but the noise, the voluminous, that bombastic noise that I heard in that room is not there. And it hit me. You hear people talk about getting zapped by Bigfoot.

You've heard that term used? Of course. Well, when people talk about being zapped, zapped to me is an electrical thing. If you touch a barrel wire, you get zapped, right? And I've always kind of associated people talking about being zapped as being hit with infrasound. And when I think back about how my body reacted and how she reacted, I think what happened was I think we felt what happened more than we heard what happened. I think it was an innate shock to our physical bodies because it was either an electrical impulse. of some kind or something that was generated by infrasound, it's the only thing that makes any sense.

So when people talk about zapped now, being zapped by these things, I think I have a much better understanding of what it is that they were going through. And that's the only explanation I can come up with. Wow. So that was the weird. as three hours of my life, my friend. Yeah, yeah, I'd say so. So did she, when you heard the whoop and you guys reacted to it,

did she seem like kind of taken back by it? Like you were? Like in a sense that maybe like that was her first time ever being zacked? No, absolutely not. The way she reacted, you know, she held her arm up and she had goosebumps. I saw that. The hair on her arms was standing up. I saw that.

And her basic reaction was, isn't that neat. You know, that happens all the time. Okay. And, you know, I,

you know, I, you know, I went to her house. So is the potential for somebody to, to be goofing on me? And, you know, is it there?

Yeah. I suppose you have to accept the fact that it could be, but I don't, don't know how in the world they would have achieved doing that, you know, and, you know, going back to the arm coming through the, uh, the door, that was, that was, you know, I mean, there were so many things that were, uh, I guess maybe use the word profound that happened during that, that interview. Um, and for her to just pull Eric Vador completely out of the clear blue with not having any idea that that I'm after this guy trying to talk to him,

trying to try to set up an interview. There was nothing in my previous episode that I was trying to look for this guy. I never posted about it on Facebook. In fact, I'm not a, the only reason I have Facebook is to help promote the show. You know, my personal Facebook, it doesn't even have a photo of me. It's just got a character nature of me. I don't go around posting every time. you know, my kid farts or, you know, please send prayers because I got a hang nail.

I just, I just don't, I'm, I'm more of a private person than that. So there's not, there's not a lot of information out there about me. It was just so, so bizarre, some, such a, you know, and, you know, I think, I want to say that it was either three or five days went by. and I called her. And I said, you know, I got to ask you a question. And she said, what's that? And she goes, oh, no, did something happen with the recording? And I said, no, I said, recording's fine.

I said, you know, whatever we heard in your bedroom did not really come through. And she goes, oh, that's too bad. And I said, that's not why I'm calling. I said, you know, at the end of it, where you asked me what I saw? And I said, where I was kind of stumbling over my words. And she goes, yeah. And I said, you know what I saw. And she said, no, I don't.

And I said, Susan, I saw you like turn into a 20-year-old version of yourself, but you were bare-ass naked sitting on the corner of your bed. And I said, from the time you opened the door, when I got to your house, I said, I was struck with a very animalistic urge to do nothing more than have a sexual encounter with you. And I could hear her kind of, I don't want to say laugh for her and I don't want to say giggle, but you could hear there was like a little on the other end of the phone. And I said, I need to know if you did that to me. And she goes, no, honey, I didn't. And I said, you know, with all respect, I said, I'm having a hard time believing that.

And she said, maybe it was my, maybe it was my spirit guides. And I said, to what end? For what reason? Why would they have done that? And she goes, hmm, maybe they were trying to test out your intentions. Maybe they were trying to figure out why you were really here. And what did you say? I'm still, you can tell I'm, I still, I don't know how to respond to it.

Because at that moment that I was there, absolutely, I wanted to have an sexual engagement with that woman. But that's not why I didn't, I didn't know that prior to getting there. I mean, and I, I had seen her prior to us doing the interview, so I knew what she looked like. and it was just, Tony, it was so bizarre. It really was. It was, I was, I found myself having, I'm going to say this and it makes me sound bad, but I don't, I don't mean it to. I found myself having thoughts that I don't, I don't normally think that way. My, you know, felt, I felt dirty.

I felt like a predator. in her presence. And I'm not that, I'm not that person. So it was, it was really an odd, uncomfortable, you know, and I think even at the beginning of that episode, I did a little monologue before. And, and I said, you know, I named the, the show uncomfortable because I thought I'd be handling some, some topics that would be uncomfortable for some people to listen to. That would be topics that would be, that would make some people feel uncomfortable.

comfortably hearing about. But I never imagined that it would be me being made to feel uncomfortable because of an interview that I was doing. Yeah. It surely did. It surely did. Hmm. So.

Well, I don't believe her. Okay. So I don't care what you believe. I'm just saying for me, her, like, her transforming into a. younger version of herself completely naked in front of you when you were having that that struggle all evening with the the sexual desires like you know i i think that there's definitely something that was happening there that she was aware of at least whether she was doing it or not i think she was aware of it and i have talked to other people i don't know if i've ever talked to

anybody on the show but i know i know this is often a request that uh is kept like hey uh i don't want this on the show, but, you know, I've talked to a handful, let's say three to five people over the years that have said very similar things to me as you during this interview where they were in the presence of a witch and they were hit with a very strong sexual desire. And this one guy said that he actually knows when he's in the presence of a witch because he's like, what do you say, irrationally hypersexualized to certain people that he would not be otherwise. And so I don't know. Maybe he's just a perv, right? But he, but he said that he know, he can identify people who are witches like that. I'm just like, all right, cool, you know.

Well, maybe I don't know if it's cool or not. But either way, it's not the first time I've heard of something like that. I actually was kind of expecting you to tell me you did have sex with her at some point during the night, especially when you said that you saw her naked, the younger version. I was like, oh, here comes. The spell is in full effect. I really did. I thought that you were going to tell me, and then I woke up in my bedroom in the morning.

And, you know, like, like, so, yeah, but hey, man, listen, the, the, the big foot she called SETI. Yeah. Do you recognize that name SETI at all? Oh, I certainly do. and I brought it up with her and she was shocked when I said search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Yeah.

Her use of the word SETI is apparently an Egyptian god. It's interesting that SETI, and I believe NASA uses SETI, right? Yes. So, I mean, it's interesting that NASA is using SETI and it's an ancient terminology that she identifies with. Exactly. I've never heard. of any kind of theory or thought that NASA is nefarious. So this is really catching me off guard.

But that was sarcasm. Really? Really? Really? There we go. Enter laugh. But yeah, I'll tell you what, man, that experience was one for the record, record books. And listen, I've got to ask you what your thoughts are on Dogman then, knowing that what she told you about as far as the, I think, what was it, her spirit guide? Was that this? Yeah. Yeah. So that there's that aspect of it. And then the, I guess, pictures that were in the room of different types of wolf men and things like that. Right. Yeah. Did it, did it shape at all, that experience and just that very specific detail in that experience. Did it shape you at all as to what you think dog man is? You know, Tony, dog man for me is a tough one, man. I have zero problem believing in Bigfoot.

There is so much that makes sense to me about Bigfoot that it's not even a thing, right? I mean, you're wasting your time if you're going to try to get me to believe because I'm already there. But dog man to me, dog man to me, if it's a, if it's an actual thing, I don't believe there's any way that it cannot be something that is, is supernatural in its origins. You know, Bigfoot to me, DNA, you know, human on the woman's side, unknown on the other side. you know, we're so close to to simians and primates that that doesn't seem like it's a hard one for me to wrap my head around at all. But, you know, when you're talking about something that's more of a canine nature with a human form, that doesn't make sense to me. And I've struggled with that. And I have a listener out of Texas who, God love them.

he's super engaged with the show and he's always sending me messages after each week's show you know, hey man, hey bro, I like the show.

What do you think about dog man? When are you going to have somebody on about dog man? And, you know, that one that you had on that prompted you to go down and do the, the investigation in the Daniel Boone,

you know, that was an incredible tale. And I'm not saying that I don't believe it. it was amazing. But I don't know, man. I have no idea where to put Dogman on my map. You know, I'm very, I lived in Michigan for, for several years. I'm basically right on the state line of Michigan now.

You know, Michigan seems to have almost been the birthplace of Dogman with as many encounters as, as her. listed there. I don't know. You know, being a Native American, we talked about, you know, skin walkers, um,

bear walkers. Everything with Native Americans is so, so spiritual and so steeped in the afterlife that, you know, know, I just can't help feel that it's something that's definitely not a, it's got to be

supernatural. It's got to be. It sounds like to me you are having a very hard time saying that dogman could be super or is or could be supernatal. It sounds to me like you're having a very hard time in the sense that you really, it sounds like to me in your gut, you don't believe it's a physical creature and that you want to say there's something paranormal about it, but it's hard for you to say because of some reason. I don't know. Well, you know, I mean, I guess I, you're right to some extent. I have, I have no problems with paranormal. I had some very profound experiences after the passing of my dad. and I've gone ghost hunting, you know, at local graveyards. And inside of one night, I got a photograph and I got an audio recording and a video

of an orb that just appeared and zipped around for, you know, a split second and then disappeared. That was all I needed. You know, that coupled with the experiences I had, when my dad passed away. Like I said, we're very profound. I have no problems believing in there being a paranormal aspect to the life that we live. But dog man, I don't know, man.

Dog man just, you know, I've got a golden doodle as a pet dog. And he is just a fluffy. You look at him, you smile, you can't help it. He's just, he looks goofy. all he wants to do is, you know, put his head on you and get pets. But when you put a wolf's head or a German shepherd-looking shaped head on a human torso, and it's got hair, and it's, you know, that's pretty terrifying. You know, and if there's any truth to skin walkers and, you know, I don't know, man,

There's there's some things in this life that even though I admit belief in, there are things that I don't really want to expose my spiritual armor to. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. I just, I'm sitting here listening to you. And I think it's just, it's so interesting that I got the host of uncomfortable here. and it sounds like he's very uncomfortable talking about dogman. It just, I think here's the thing, man.

So it sounds to me like you're still trying to wrap your mind around it and you just don't know what you think about it yet. You just don't know how you feel about it. You don't know how it fits into any kind of box for you at all. And so it sounds like you're still off to the side hammering away at a new box to try figuring if the dog mail will fit in that box. And that's fine. That's fine.

Everybody's at different spots. stuff with all these different kind of top-ist and stuff. And honestly, I mean, within the last year, my, my thought process when it comes to Dogman specifically has changed dramatically. And I have no problems whatsoever saying that I think Dogman is very much physical and paranormal, supernatural, whatever you want to call it. There are so many things that have come across my weight in the last year, specifically towards Dogman.

that made me really reassess things. And so everybody has to cross those roads and bridges when they come. And you can't force it either. You can't force that bridge to have to cross it any time. Like it just comes when it comes. And there's these things in times where, especially as a podcast or the paranormal, where you never know when it's coming, but there will be a time several times where just the light bulb goes on and all of a sudden you're just like, holy crap, I never thought of that way. And all of a sudden, it's like, it's so glaringly obvious in your mind as this new way of thinking. And you're like, why did I ever not think of this before? And it's really because it's an accumulation of knowledge that you picked up over time that is

piecemeal together. And all of a sudden, you have a new picture. So, man, listen, I think that for me personally, I think dogman is very physical and supernatural. I've heard people talk about their stories and experiences with a very physical creature. And I've heard experiences where these things are coming through a portal after summoned and opened up by a witch. So it's like, well, how do you put those two things together? I think that they could be very different and two different topics that we're talking about. And I think it could be the same topic at the same time. I'm very, I'm very, no, better not say that. Let's just put it this way.

I think that it's a very evolving situation. I think that there's a lot of complexities to it that we don't necessarily totally understand at this moment. So that said, Eric, man, listen, I'm going to wrap this up with you because I think that less is more in some situations and your dinner with the wish. I don't know if there's anybody that listening right now that isn't compelled to go and check out your podcast, especially that episode where you talk about it and interview her. So on the way out, tell the people what your show's called, where they can find it, and what episode can they look for this interview that you had with The Witch. Hey, Tony, thanks for having me on, man.

I really appreciate it. It's uncomfortable podcast. There's several uncomfortable shows out there. So to narrow it down, if you do a search, Uncomfortable Eric, just follow it with my first name, E-R-I-C-K. It's on all of the podcast formats, Apple, iTunes, Spotify, down the list. It's on everything. I got 54 episodes out there plus I think 10 bonus episodes. I absolutely encourage anyone who has interest in this kind of stuff.

Probably half of my episodes or damn close to it are in the revolving around Bigfoot. A lot of the episodes revolve around the state of Michigan for whatever reason. I haven't gone after that market, but they seem to have attracted themselves to me. and you can get a hold of me email at contact.uncomfortable at gmail.com. Anywhere on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Uncomfortable podcast. And just, man, I would appreciate it if people go listen. We've got a lot of episodes out there.

I've got some really cool stuff coming up here for the summer. And, man, it's been an absolute pleasure talking with you, Tony. I appreciate it so much. Absolutely, man. So everybody listening right now, please go check out Eric's podcast, Uncomfortable. And before you hit play, if you're listening on, well, on any podcast app, but if you're specifically listening on Apple podcasts, before you even hit play on his podcast, be a solid human being and give him a five-star rating and review, and then go

ahead and listen to his podcast because that's what kind people do. So Eric, thanks for. coming on the show and sharing that bizarre experience. I know you've had a lot of different experiences in your life, but like I said, I really think I was probably about 30 minutes into this interview with you. And I was like, this is going to be at least an hour story. And I think less is more. And let's just let people marinate on what you just said because I think it was fantastic. So I appreciate it coming on, man. Thanks a lot, man. Thank you so much, Tony. I really appreciate the opportunity. It's been great talking to you.

been listening to you for quite a while now and love what you're doing. Well, that's sure, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, I know you did enjoy it because I enjoyed that one. And I know you guys did too. Listen, if you enjoyed it, though, please go ahead and share the show with your friends, family. I don't care who you share the show with. Just share the show if you enjoyed it.

That's literally the best thing you can do to help this show grow is to share it with your friends and family. Even your enemies. Just take your phone out and text it to everybody. It was a great one. Wouldn't you say, Eric? I'll tell you what, man. And I never get tired of talking about that that night. I really don't.

I mean, there's so many, I've said this a million times, three of the weirdest hours of my life. I mean, more stuff happened to be during that interview than, I don't know. It's just, it's mind boggling. But yeah, I absolutely enjoyed talking with you about it. And I know we were kind of supposed to talk about a lot of things and how we just, I delved right into that one. and it took up the whole hour or hour plus. So I apologize for that, but hopefully your listeners enjoyed it. And if they did, please head over to my show and check it out.

I think if you like that episode, I think you'll like what I've got out there. Absolutely. And you don't ever have to apologize for talking. Okay, you're a podcaster. That's what we do. We talk. And if anybody criticizes you for talking, tell them they should probably stop listening to podcasts. Anyways, listen, friends, uncomfortable podcast.

go ahead and check it out. Follow him, leave five stars rating reviews, and then you hit play. That's the way it works. That's the order it works. You always show love before you hit play because that's what decent human beings do. All right, friends, until next week, stay safe, take care and remember the truth will set you free, but first we'll piss you off. If you remember, head on over to the overtime for another banger heater. Let's go. Have you ever heard of the freaky-diki podcast? No. Dude, let me tell you something.

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