The Confessionals - RELOADED | 47: The Back Room

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

On Episode 47: The Back Room, Jason joins The Confessionals to share his family's experiences with their home and the back room.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereBigfoot: The Journey To Belief: Stream HereThe Meadow Project: Stream HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducer

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For the rest to the time. You guys hear that? Hey, I reload it. Welcome to the show, everybody. I am your host, Tony Merkel, and you are listening to The Confessionals, a proud partner of the BombPodMod Media Network and a featured show on blog talk radio.com. If you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email.

Or you can go to the website, the Confessionalspodcast.com. hit the connection section and you can reach me that way as well. Either way works for me, just get a hold of me. Now, this week shows me a little different because we're not doing the iTunes shoutouts because I am pre-recording this show way early in advance because if you're hearing this show right now, that only means one thing. It means I'm in the hospital because my wife is having a baby and I'm excited about that.

So we're not doing iTunes shoutouts this week because it is a pre-recorded show. But I want to let you know after this show is done and you're done listening to the confessionals, head on over to the Renegate podcast. You can find us on Blog Talk Radio, iTunes, Stitcher, a bunch of different places like that. But listen to the episodes. It's a funny show. If you want to hear me talk a little bit more with my co-host, Wes Germer from Sasquatch Chronicles and Woody Pratt,

go ahead and check out that show because we just talk about a lot of different stuff. It's kind of like the Seinfeld of podcast. It's like a show about nothing, but it's still really entertaining. So go ahead and check that out. And leave us a rating and review over there as well. Now, this week we have Jason coming on. Jason comes on to share a lot of different stories of kind of like a paranormal haunted house that he lived in, but it seems like it was attached to certain members of the family at certain times,

and it actually traveled with them outside the house. Pretty interesting stuff. Let's get to Jason right after this. Okay, tonight I have Jason coming on, and Jason and I connected with each other a little while ago, Jason, and you and I kind of hit and miss for a little bit. How you doing? doing good i'm glad to finally be on with you because it's uh been something i wanted to share so yeah absolutely i mean we we were missing each other a little bit there stuff that i think

you were sick and then i was sick or something like that but i'm glad we're definitely getting on uh so you've grown up in a haunted house and when you contact me on facebook you're like oh it wasn't even about your experience we were talking about something else and you're like oh yeah yeah i've had a haunted house experience when i was growing up but I didn't know if I should contact you. I was like, dude, yeah, of course. Like, that's what I'm about. So I'm really glad you're coming on tonight, man.

So why don't you just take it away and share with us what you've experienced? Yeah, so it's kind of like, it's a story that, but the experience kind of, it's like three different sections of time. I grew up in upstate New York, actually, right outside of Saratoga Springs, which is pretty big, like, Civil War era. you know, type of surroundings and whatnot. There was a Battle of Bennington. There was a Battle of Saratoga, all this kind of stuff.

So the little town that I grew up on outside of Saratoga had a very rich history with the Quakers and Indians actually fighting each other. And then actually the road I lived on was the road that Colonel Baum took to the Battle of Bennington into Vermont. So there's just like a lot of like I said rich history and stuff like that. So my parents bought the house in I think it was 1967. My father moved up from Queens and my mother lived in Albany. They got married obviously and then bought this home.

There was one owner prior and they actually built a home. So it wasn't it wasn't like this old house or anything like that. They built, I think they built the house in like 64 or something like that. It was like a couple years old when they built it. You know, just typical ranch style house, all this kind of stuff. Dirt road. Crossed away from the house, there was an old cemetery that just was kind of there. A lot of family plots, stuff like that and whatnot.

But nobody really ever gave it a peace of mind or anything like that. Um, so when my parents moved in, my mother had two previous children, um, that were older, um, and my parents, when they got married, they created me and my little brother. Um, but pretty much straight away from the time that my parents and my mother's, uh, two daughters moved into the home. Things were just, um, not really like bad, but just always just kind of like, off from what they said. Obviously, I was a little bit younger, or wasn't even really actually around at that point. But there was just always like a weird tension in the air, especially with my older sister. She was probably about eight at the time,

just acting out a lot. I mean, a lot of stuff could be, you know, typical, you know, kids stuff. But there was, as they described it, there was just kind of like this very kind of like, just a change in attitudes. But again, they didn't really give it too much of a peace of mind just because, you know, they just moved and my mother got married to my father, all this kind of stuff. You know, typical could be growing pains.

But everything just kind of mounted from that point. So we'll fast forward to when me and my brother come along. My earliest memory of the house was probably about, five years old, where I remember as a kid, like just always feeling like something was around me. And my brother, not so much, but I always just felt that there was something always like near me, watching me, that kind of stuff. So it's like I said, about five or six at this point. then the first I guess experience I could say was right around that right around that you know initial memory was I was standing in the kitchen again

five or six years old and I went to throw something into the garbage can and the garbage can moved like it slid probably about I don't know between one and two feet in the opposite direction of me throwing something into the can. So whatever I was going to, what I was throwing into the can just like, you know, hit the floor. It was actually a paper towel, I remember. Wow.

Yeah. And it just moved. And even at being at that young age, I was just kind of like, didn't want to believe. But I was, so I'm like, how did that, you know, how did that happen? Like, I'm looking for something that pushed it. Like, you know, at six years old, trying to debunk how this garbage hand just like split across the floor. but I remember at the time, at the same time, just being like, well, like, that makes sense.

Like, you know, it just makes sense that that happens because, you know, there's this energy that's just kind of like vibrating around. So it's like my first real interact, like kind of like memory of like, like, okay, like this is going to be a long, like, you know, 18 years. So at the same time, like my sister at this. point at like probably 13, 14. And she's just, well, she was eight at the time, so five, six, zero, so that makes that sense, about 14, just like, wild, constantly in her room, not really coming out, constantly fighting with my parents, making everybody's life pretty much hell, like in the house. and she just progressed in that manner of just acting out

and probably at about 16 she got into witchcraft pretty hard I guess and she was actually practicing witchcraft in her room that like my parents figured out she was in there messing with that stuff and like we were we weren't like you know super religious, but we went to church on Sunday. We were raised Methodist, you know, typical, like, upstate, you know, New York, you know, Methodist family, you know, crossing the house, all that kind of stuff. But, you know, not, you know, not, you know, not, you know, not, you know, kneeling on the floor floor and, like, repenting every day, you know, just like, you know,

just like a normal, like middle class, like, my dad went to work. My mother was at home, mom, you know, just very suburban, whatever, you know, normal upbringing. So there was really why I'm saying that is because I don't want to paint the picture that like she was lashing out against religion or anything like that. It was just, she became very, just very into it. Like she started seeking it out, seeking out other people that practice it and all this kind of stuff. So when she started like kind of doing this stuff in the room, I never actually saw it. So, but she was vocal about it. like, oh, like, we should check, you know, you should check this out. Like, she was constantly, like,

trying to tempt me and my brother to, uh, kind of join in. And, um, we were just like, no, like not into that, Cynthia, you know? So, um, that's when stuff really kind of went, like, bonkers. Like, um, the only way I could explain it, like, you know, just from me being a novice would be, you know, opened up a door, you know, or a porthole or something, you know, and like there was obviously there was previous energy in the home but like I said that her like even her room like when you walked into it it was just like sick and like get me out of here and my aunt actually came to visit around this period of time my mother's side of the family is kind of intuitive I guess you could say my aunt came and walked in the house and walked in the house and walked down the hall towards her room, excuse me, and like literally

stopped. Now, she had no, like, no, like, she did my mom, wasn't, like, calling her up and saying, you know, this is what Cynthia is doing in the room. You know, it was just, she didn't know. And got to the end of the hall. And it was, you know, it sounds dramatic, like, out of a movie, but it kind of, you know, it happened, you know. And, like, stood in front of the door and was just like, wow, like, this is really, you know, not good. Like, there's a really bad feeling here. And my mother kind of, like, escorted her down the hall and, you know, went to the living room. It was like, well, yeah, it's kind of funny because, you know, we've been, you know,

is what Cynthia is doing right now. She was like, oh, she has to stop. So anyway, she, she wound up running away and like all this kind of stuff. And things just kind of kept, you know, again, it was just an energy thing. A lot of like missing, things would go missing, like constantly. Problems with electronics. Not that there was that many electronics in the mid-80s, but, you know, just things would just like stop working. things missing pets.

Like we always had like numerous cats in the house through this period of time. And it was just, the cats would just go nuts. They would be in the hallway batting at nothing, running around, sniffing at the door, you know, to that room, turn around like blast down the hallway, like that kind of stuff. And my, my bedroom was kind of kitty cornered to her door. so it's like a long hallway. So her door was at the very end. Mine was to the right here looking down the hall. And even at night, like getting up, like I remember just laying in bed, like just trying,

just holding, like I had to have to go to the bathroom and just holding it as long as humanly possible because I didn't like want to walk by that door. And it wasn't a sense, it wasn't, it wasn't, and yeah, I was scared, but it was more, when you'd walk by the door, you felt like you were being pushed. And I remember just like cutting that corner and just feeling, and just like feeling something at my back, like for years. So anyway, kind of fast forward through that. So she, my sister took off.

And then my other sister who was older, she went into college and all this kind of stuff. So it was just kind of like me and my brother and my parents left in the house. So that's kind of like, you know, part one, I guess. You know, it's like, you know, the, the fuse was lit, I guess, would be the best way to put it. So now I'm probably, like, I'm 14 now, you know? And my little brother were like Irish twins, I guess they call us.

We're like a year apart. So he's like 13. And, um, like things were calm. Like they definitely felt better, but there was always just like an oddness. So I decided to keep my room because I was like, I am not,

I'm not taking that room. Like I'm just not taking it because me and my brother would bunk together. You know, when my brother shared a room and then my two sisters. Well, actually, Cynthia had the, you know, her room.

And then my other sister had another room. So my, my brother was like, you know, whatever. He was like I said, he was just kind of like, eh,

you know, you know, you know, what do you do? you know. So he's like, I'll take it. So he takes the room. And the other thing I want to throw out, this room is always cold.

Constantly cold. It could be 98 degrees out and 100% humidity that room is cold, and there's not an AC unit in there. You know what I mean? So my brother takes it, and I'm going to be 100% honestly. He went through a proof. pretty hard rebellious stage.

I'm not saying like immediately he went in the room and like, you know, oh, like, you know, I'm pissed at the world now. It was just, he just, he changed, like he literally changed. Like I would walk in his room and be like, hey, what's going on? And, you know, we'd be in there like cutting up his GI Joe's, um, breaking, you know, just breaking things. Um, we had, you know, desks, you know, parents got us nice desk to do our schoolwork on. like the he carved up like the whole top of his desk with a knife you know my mother was like what did you do we just you know we just bought you this he's like it's mine you know um could be a typical boy stuff but you know my brother was very sweet prior to this you know um and again it's just that

energy um the other thing that happened while this you know part two was starting of uh everything was my parents decided to do some renovations on the house and they built this huge addition to the back of the home and during that period that I think that well I don't think I know but really kind of ushered in like a new set of problems to be honest with you yeah where

now it's like you know seeing you know I don't know what you want to call them shadow figures like now like the visual things are coming it wasn't you know part one was all energy now it's like energy

and like you know black things walking around and just constantly seeing a large figure and, you know, other, like, you know, waist-high kind of figures and all this kind of stuff. You know, the typical, like, out of the corner of the eye, sitting there watching TV, and you're like, oh, who just walked by? Oh, nobody walked by, you know, just nonstop. To the point where, you know, in the beginning it was kind of like, like, please, no. like, why is this happening now?

It was just part of the daily routine. And also, excuse me, at this point, like me and my brother, both started to get touched, like, quite a bit, like at nighttime when we were sleeping. It was always the feat. And I know sleep paralysis is, sleep paralysis is something that's real. But there was probably like five or six times that, you know, I woke up and was just completely, like, pinned. My brother never really had that happen, but my, but I did. And the other thing that started happening at this point is it became part of, like, my mother's routine as well. Like, she started getting touched at night and stuff like that.

Again, nothing, nothing, like, violent, you know, but when somebody slapped your foot and you're sleeping, like somebody slapped your foot, you know? Like, everybody knows what that feels like, you know, big touch. But the sleep paralysis thing, that was something that, like, really kind of targeted me and just, like, really scared the shit out of me. I don't know if I'm, like, more open to things or what,

but, like, I just kind of felt like a lot of the, energy kind of like lingered around me a little bit. Yeah, so the same thing with the animals and all this kind of stuff. You know, cats run around. I literally watched my cat do a somersaw at once. It just kind of was sitting there and just went, I don't know how to say it, but butt overhead and did a flip from the sitting position. Yeah, it was pretty crazy.

It was a big cat. The white main coom, white manon cat thing was huge. So, now, like I said, my brother is kind of getting agitated a little bit and all this kind of stuff. He, unbelievably, really dove into Ellister Crowley. Wow. Yeah, and started, it was like, he started with, like, you know, he's a college professor now. You know what I mean? He's like, you know, he's a hipster.

But he went, you know, he's. He was like, you know, really got into, you know, dark. I mean, I was an Ozzy, but, you know, he really got into Ozzy Oswar. Really got into Crowley and started studying. I remember the book he went out and got it was called the Book of the Abramian Mage, which is the book of incantations that actually Crawley studied. So it was like he went to the source. He was like, yeah, and kind of started kicking around with that a little bit and had some buddies come over and all this kind of stuff.

You know, like minded fellows like my sister did actually. It was almost like watching this. Kind of the same thing happen again. But at the same time, he wasn't like, he wasn't lashing out as much as my sister. And to be honest with you, looking back at it, you know, the kind of like the set of the sense of the sense of the set. of kids that went through the house. We were all kind of at puberty when we were like targeted,

you know? Like my sister was hitting puberty when she kind of like lost her shit and so was my brother, you know? Yeah. Which they, I've heard that. I don't know. You know, I'm just telling, you know, it's just what I've heard. That spirits will target,

you know, teens, adolescents going through puberty, um, drug addicts, alcoholics, you know, people like that. People like kind of people that are emotionally in turmoil. Um, so yeah, he started messing around with that stuff. And, um, you know, I, I even said to him, you know, at the time, like, you know, Justin, this like really isn't a good idea, you know, like, you know, what happened before. And he was just like, uh, well, he just didn't care.

I don't know, you know, you just didn't care. Um, my parents caught wind of it. They weren't very happy, but, you know, he was getting good grades and all that kind of stuff. They probably could have done a little bit more, honestly, to, like, stop it. Um, but they, but they, but they, but they, but they're getting good grades, so. Yeah. Crowley, you know, what do you know, you know? Yeah. Well, while we take a break right now and we'll come back and kind of jump right back into the story with your brother and things like that. Okay, we're back. And you left off. where you were talking about how your parents were pretty lenient with him when it came to this stuff, as long as he was getting good grades. So why don't you kind of walk us into what happened next? Yeah, so long story, sure, I'll tighten us up a little bit. So he, um, after, during that whole period of time, now those shadow, no, keep in mind along the way, I totally left this out.

My father was always like, you guys are crazy. He was in, you know, he was a mechanical, engineer. He's German. He's a World War II veteran at the time. He was just like, you're like, come on, guys. Like, you're just scaring each other. What are you doing? You know, but it, you know, um, like my father would be, you know, I'd wake up in a wearing exhausted. And it's like, you know, you got to get some sleep at night. I'm like, dad, I can't sleep. I like literally, I went through probably five years where I couldn't sleep just because I, just stuff, you know. I was just petrified. Um, you know, my, desk would shake and all this kind of stuff.

So, brother goes through this stuff. He's messing around, whatever. So, me and my brother and my mother left on what was like a Saturday in the summertime.

And we went out. We had to go into Saratoga, went to the track or something like that, catch the horse races. And we come back and my father, okay, my father stayed at the house. We come back like, I don't know, three, four hours later. And my father is like, my mother's name is Sylvia. Sylvia, can I talk to you for a second?

Mother comes out and they walk down the hall and they go into my brother's room. My brother's room is like turned upside down. Like, all his cassette tapes, like thrown all over the room. he had a it's going to sound weird he had a suit of armor in his room like suit of armor

was moved away from the wall and like smack dab in the middle of the room stuffed animals like whatever just whatever just like

mayhem so at this point like me and my brother catch on what's going on and my father is now talking all three of us and he's like

I was in the bathroom now my sister's had kids at this point And he goes, I was in the bathroom, and I heard two little kids run down the hall, go into your brother's room. He goes, I come out of the bathroom. I'm calling for Christine. I'm calling for Christine. And he's like, there's nobody here.

He was like, dumbfounded. He goes, and I walk into the room, and this is what I see. And he's like, this is like three minutes. He's like, what is going on? And then he kind of like laid into my private, like, typical like, you know, World War II veteran engineer is like, whatever you're doing in this room, just cut the crap. And like, why? So now my mother's like, like, my guys, like, you know, whatever, you know, just like stop it. And my brother are like, I'm like, Justin, what that?

Like, he's like, I don't know. Like, I didn't do this. Like, I have no part of it. I'm like, yeah, but you know what, like, you're doing. You're like, yeah, I know. Like, it's all like, like, he's kind of like came clean. Like, it's all bullshit, right? I'm like, no, dude.

Like, like, you know what, like, this house is like messed up, you know. You know, like, you know, remember? I went to a psychiatrist. Like, like, this house is screwed up. And that, that moment, it really kind of brought him, well, he kind of had us, like, come to Jesus. You know, he just, he got very scared. um so the other like weird part of this and this is hand the god the gods on it's true if i didn't witness it i'd probably be like he's sure man so we he had you remember i said there was those

cassette tapes thrown all over the place yeah every well let's i don't know let's say there was ten of them say there's ten six of them upon trying to play after that all got eaten. I don't know. I just thought it was very strange. And there was nothing wrong with my brother's like tape player or anything like that. It was a nice Sony tape deck, whatever. But

they all got eaten. Well, not all, about half of them when they went to play them. I don't know. I just thought that was strange. Absolutely. You know, I don't know. It's like what does it like the kind of like a magnetism? You know, because they say you know, spirits are like magnetic energy.

maybe it did something with the magnets in the tape or something. So after this, now my, you know, this is like part three here. After this, my father becomes the target. I don't know how it's the phrase it.

I mean, it's all still around, you know, I'm, everybody's seeing shadow stuff. We're still losing the remote, and then they're getting put back on the coffee table, you know, dishwashers, you know, being been replaced four times at this

point, TVs turning on and off like all this kind of. Well, it's still going. But my father, at this point, um, becomes, like I said, the one that's kind of, kind of targeted. So the things that they were, things that were happening to my father was that apparently, what came through in, like, that second wave of situations with some sort of witchcraft in the house, brought through a Quaker man and a little, his two children, a little boy and a little girl. So my father over the next, I don't know, let's say we're 15 at this point. we moved down when we were 18. My father for over the next, well, honestly, after we moved out, it kept going on.

So my father for the next, you know, from that day forward, he's passed now. My parents no longer own the home. My mother sold it, and she didn't want to stay there, to be honest with you. So the man, as he called him, would just appear to my father, like my father. father would be sitting in the living room in his chair, you know, Archie Bunker chair. And on the couch, you know, to the right of my father, he would see the Quaker man, like full apparition, clothing, color of eyes and everything, just sitting there. To the point where my father actually, you know, was like, yeah, he has very blue eyes.

He has a black beard. he wears a you know he's a quaker he has a black hat he has black suspenders white shirt boots like no this is coming from the guy that's like doesn't doesn't believe garbage you know like man of science um and there was a few situations where you know he you know he you know he'd be like that you know like with the first incident that was the first incidents where he saw him in the couch sitting like basically sharing company with him and i He was very vocal about it. And I always like, like, okay, like, dad's like talking about this stuff finally, you know, after like 16 years.

And he was like, I'm like, dad, you know, did you know, nobody's ever, nobody's seen this man besides my father. And it's like, dad, that's, you know, what's that scary? And he's like, yeah, scared the crap out of me. He's like, I think I'm alone. I look over there and there's some guy sitting on the couch. And then, you know, well, what happens next? He's like, well, you know, I get up and I look over again and it's gone. You know, he's like, it's like five seconds.

You know, it's, you know, five, you know, seconds. So after that incident, my parents, it was probably a couple months later. where my mother the garage was off of the off of my parents' room so at three but we had neighbors too

so at three or four in the morning my mother woke up because she heard the car door open and close and she's like oh wow you know Paul's getting home late you know next door

you know typical like gossip stuff she thought like you know neighbors come on like bombs or something start the phone chain What's that? Yeah.

Start the phone chain. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, so that was that. She was like, oh, whatever, next door. That morning, this is probably the one that freaks me out the most. My father gets in his car, and he's driving to work. And he looks, you know, when you look, you look in your river near, you know, your dashboard near. You know, your dashboard near.

and the man is in his car. And he said it was, out of everything, all of his stories, this was the one that really got him because it really freaked him out. He almost went off the road because he just like yanked the wheel to pull over, I guess. And he said all he could see in the rearview mirror was the man's, was the man's blue eyes. And pulled over. he said he could you know he could kind of see them perpetually you know for a couple

seconds you know pulls the car over you know looks on the back and the guy's gone and he said he just kind of like sat there shaking like he just he didn't let he was like why you know what is going on now like what's happening um so through all that situation you know um you know things are still kind of cruising in the house it's not as bad though it's kind of tapering off a little bit because I think we're just kind of older now and you know we just kind of come to peace with a lot of stuff but I had I would have these dreams while this stuff was going on could be premeditated I don't know but all I know is I was having them

and um where I had this reoccurable I'm saying dreams, but it was one dream. Reoccurring dream of this man that looks like the man, running across what would be our lawn. We lived on a large hill, like, a couple acres. Running across this hill, like, holding a small child. And there was just kind of like general, like, it was like a like kind of chaos like almost looks like he was running through like a like what would have been like a war zone but it was like daytime there was like you know smoke behind him um what i can remember it looked like it would be like a like a wagon fire some sort of fire um and just this man like you know high step in it holding this child um and i kept having like the name like the name

James or Jim or Jimmy or something like kind of like racing through my head. And so the other thing that my, I'll condense them all, there would just happen numerous, numerous, numerous, numerous, numerous times. But my father would be inside the house. Like, we have a lot of windows and there's like a lot of bay windows and kind of all this kind of stuff in the house. So you could very clearly see outside. and he would just see the man like tromping like the grounds like just kind of like patrolling the grounds of the house. And I always thought that was kind of strange because the only father described it.

It's like he was like looking for something or kind of like just kind of staking his territory. And the kids, he would see, my father saw the kids a couple times, but not as much as the man. But he did see, you know, like a little boy and a little girl in, you know, what would have been period clothing, Quaker clothing at the time. But one thing that really ties into all this is that there was that Quaker Indian battle that was, well, the peace feather. There was actually, they signed a treaty. the peace feather for that, you know, for that treaty was about three miles from our house in like this little kind of like little museum type of thing, you know, that was probably the size of, you know, a 10 by 10 room, you know, but this peace feather was like not on our

property, but near it. So there was definitely some deep roots with the Native Americans and the the Quakers. So after we kind of like piece all this together, um, a little bit older, like I went off to college and so to my brother. Oh, one quick little story.

The night, the, the day I moved out of that house, it literally felt like I was under a microscope. Like just all eyes, like I just felt like it was like completely being watched at this point. And, um,

at this point, I wasn't really, you know, I'm 18, I'm just, I wasn't really scared anymore, you know. It's kind of had like a, you know, been there, done that kind of attitude about it. You get pretty numb to this stuff if you kind of grow up with it. And I've talked to a couple of people that have had, you know, kind of, I guess, light, not lifelong, but, you know, well, kind of formative years, you know, experiences. And you do. You just kind of get numb to it. You're just like, oh, well, there's another black thing and, you know, whatever.

So, um, but that day that I was moving out of the house, it was like, like a parade of follies. It was crazy. I couldn't like, you know, it's like an hour to find my keys. And yeah, I could have been in disarray, but it was just kind of like perpetual, like just nonstop. Like, like I was constantly being tripped, you know, at the time I had seating. you know, pick up my duffel bag of CDs to bring into the car that's that I remember zipping. It's not zipped and they spoke, you know, it's just like, like, kind of all this stuff. And when I, like, I just remember, like, walking out of the door and it was just like, oh, my God.

Like, just like a relief, but kind of also had like this, like this deep, like, remorse kind of feeling. And I wasn't remorseful, you know. It was just kind of, I almost feel that kind of whatever is or was in that house at that time, like became very attached to everybody. Because again, it was never really bad besides the negative energy in that one room. But it was just kind of like ever present, you know, it was like, it was a almost like a living, breathing, you know, kind of entity that just kind of sat, you know, like in that house.

And we had a lot of good memories, too. You know, it wasn't all bad. You know, I had a great, like, here I'm going to say I had a great childhood. But, you know, it was like, you know, like it wasn't all bad. You know, we had a lot of good times, too. but so after that kind of like when we got a little bit older me and my brother were just kind of you know we come visit my you know go back home visit my parents stuff like that and it's kind of the same stuff you know my mom's like oh yeah like you know cats batten

out the air and black stuff flying around and like like nothing changed but you know again it was nothing bad you know and be like oh dad did you know did you see the guy like yes I'm like you know two weeks ago, you know, like, it was just kind of always there. Kind of funny if you think about it. But so me and my brother were like, me and my brother were like, well, what's up with this? Like, we never like went to the cemetery across the house, across the street. You know, it was weird. Like, we just never went there.

So my brother were like, hey, let's go check out that cemetery. I mean, we went in it, but we never checked it out. You know what I mean? We'd never read tombstones or anything like that. Yeah, we'd go in there and, like, shoot bevy guns at each other. know. So we go over there and we're like looking at, um, what was her name? Oh, so we're looking at Humesones and all this kind of stuff. And, um, we find, um, it wasn't kind of like an aha, like, you know, oh, we figured it all out, but it was kind of weird. There was a family plot, um, by the name

of Burdock that was a man, um, it didn't say his first name. It just said Burdock on it. It was really weird. So I don't know. Maybe his name was Jim. And two little children. One was Sarah Burdock, who was four years old. And her brother, I think it was Timothy. I could be wrong on that, but Timothy Burdock, who was three years old.

So there was a family plot with, you know, I guess I don't remember seeing the mother. Maybe it was. I don't know. It was a while ago. But I remember, like, seeing Burdock. which was the highest stone, which at that time would have been the father, you know,

usually the, what do they call it? Is that the patriarch of the family? Has the highest tombstone? I don't know. But usually they're like, that's, you know, the king of the family has the biggest tombstone.

So I'm guessing that would have been the father. And then to the right of the father would have been the supposed to two little kids. And then a couple years later, I'm almost at the end, but a couple years later, I got married and whatnot. And I've never been really open about this, to be honest with you.

I mean, like I've talked to like, you know, like people, but, you know, it's not something I've run my mouth about. Because it's personal, you know. And so I opened up to my wife about it a little bit. And she was, you know, she's, you know, pretty open-minded. And she was like, well, it's really interesting. She was, you ever go to the library? and look at the records right now you know I just went to the cemetery like a couple years ago

you know so she's like yeah let's go down the library I'm like alright let's check it out so go down to the library and across okay so where the house is up on the hill across the street would be to the left was this across almost like diagonal from the house

would be the cemetery but it's like across the road I could probably hit like a like a five iron to it if I, you know, hit the ball just right. So anyway, we looked at the map of the grounds. And there was a church. I can't remember what it was. I think it was a, it might have been a Quaker church.

That would have been to the right of the cemetery, which would make sense because there was a house there at this point, because it was a big piece of open land. But, you know, people usually put a cemetery next to a church. I guess, right? So, and it turned out that that church burned to the ground. Not saying that this family died in the church when it burned. I don't know.

Like it just said that this, whatever we read, it said that this church burned. I don't know if there was deaths or whatever, but there was a very large fire in this church burned to the ground. And the other thing that it did is that there was large fields. And I guess there was a massive fire that just almost like a, it wouldn't have been a forest fire, but like a field fire or something like that. Hayfield fire, I guess, that got decimated too. So I was kind of alting a little bit, considering like that weird dream I had a bunch of times with him like, he's a man like running across the field, you know, cradling this child. again, I'm not saying that's what happened, but in my dream, I said smoke and fire and the man.

So there was definitely just like a lot of turmoil. The ground was also very wet. There was a lot of water that ran underneath the ground. Like we had willows in our driveway, which is weird for state New York, weeping willows. That's how wet the ground was. And they do say that, you know, I guess spirits. tend to channel through screens and whatnot. Why do they like water and stuff like that?

Yeah, I mean, it just kind of just seemed like a, I don't know what you'd call it, I guess like a porthole or, you know, some sort of door was just kind of there at the beginning and then just kind of kept getting cracked open a little bit further. Yeah, absolutely. Stupid kids. Well, let me ask you a question here. And you know, you know what, let's take a break first.

And when we come back, I'll ask you this question here that goes into this whole other realm that we're about to embark on here. So we'll be right back after this break. Okay, we're back from the break. And Jason, do you get the sense that this is something that was part of the house before you guys got there? I mean, because, I mean, all right, so you said that your sister was in the room, then your brother goes into the room. they both dabbled with, you know, satanic things. And so, I mean, do you think it was something that was attached to that room or the house in general? Because at the same time, and these are all just thoughts that I was having when you were saying this.

Yeah. Like, at the same time, you said that your dad saw that Quaker in the car. And from that point, from that point of view, it makes you feel like maybe there's something haunting the family. not necessarily the house. What are some of the conclusions as you think of? There was, it got to the point where my mom actually reached,

my mom was actually friends with the previous owners. She reached out to them at one point and just asked in point blank, like, has anything ever happened, you know? And she was like, no, that house is fine, you know? Nothing.

But again, again, they didn't live there very long, you know? They were only there for a couple years. I guess something could happen a couple of years, but there was no real history with anything. It could be in this,

I mean, I definitely could look at it with the family aspect. Because when they moved in, that's when my sister kind of started, you know, at a very young age, just acting out, like, horribly. I mean, I don't think ever suddenly we were

with a bad seed, but, I mean, she was just like, It's a mean thing to say, but I mean, just like, don't kill the cat, you know, like, but, yeah, it could be because, like, my mother's side of the family does have that tendency, I guess, you know? You know, her and her sisters, not my mom so much. She was always just not dismissive, but not as into it as my, you know, like my aunt, her sister, Marilyn, um, was extremely intuitive, you know, to the point of, um, you know, I don't know what you want to call it, maybe psychic abilities, stuff like that. Um, but nothing, nothing crazy beyond that. Okay. I didn't move to, I did move to New Orleans after. for a period of time.

Actually, before I met my wife, it was kind of after college, before marriage, all that kind of stuff. And I don't know. I mean, that's just the city. But it was something that, like, I hadn't felt since I, you know, moved away from my home. You know, my college dorm wasn't haunted. So when I got down to New Orleans, I did, like, have, almost that kind of same energy kind of thing but it's just so i don't know if you ever been sure you

have you been down there no but i mean i've talked to plenty of people from new orleans and any kind of haunting experience that you have in new orleans i'm sure doesn't surprise anybody that's yeah that city has you know such a history with voodoo and all that stuff yeah yeah so i don't know you know that it kind of flared up a flare up yeah it kind of you know my my and i I didn't go down there with like, oh, let's find some ghosts. Like, I'm not, I'm not that guy. Right. I'm not, like, seeking this stuff out.

But I did happen to take an apartment across the street from one of those, you know, raised cemeteries. And I would have, like, kind of almost the same thing with the shadow figures and stuff like that. One day I did see pretty clearly a, you know, kind of a pale. it wasn't a woman, it was a girl, a parallel girl, probably 18 or 19 with like long black hair, just kind of walked by my door. But that was it, you know. So, but the house thing, it was just, you know, kind of just how it went through the family. I always thought it was kind of interesting to say, you know, put it mildly, you know, how my father, the biggest skeptic, you know, was the one that was, kind of, you know, caught the, cut the big end of the stick, you know, after, you know.

But again, you know, he never really, it kind of, it definitely freaked him out. But one time he actually tried that. He was like, I'm like, I don't know if it was like the day or whatever. I was actually there. This is actually kind of a good story, I guess. So we're standing in the living room. All of a sudden I see my father like sprint over like to the window. and he's like, there, there.

And I knew when he said there, you know, because I've been, like, dying to, like, I want to see this guy, you know. I'm like, dad, where? He's like, he's up on the hill. So, like, we shoot out the slider, the sliding glass door. And, like, me and my dad are, like, running up the hill. I'm like, dad, I don't see anything. He's like, he didn't either.

He was like, where did he go? Where did he go? Like, he was trying to catch it. You know? Like, what did he just ask him a question when he was in the car? you know, like. Pull out the questionnaire in the car. Yeah, it just got to that point where he was just like, you know, set a trap.

Actually, he went out and got a, he's passed now. But he actually went out and got a, him and my mother went out and bought like an EMF detector and all this stuff. And they were, they would get, I wasn't there for it. But, you know, I talked to him about it. And they would get high EMF readings in that back row. I'm like, what are you guys doing? Like, you're like retired, like, running around the house with an EMF reader. You know, like, you know, ghost hunters here.

They got bored, man. Yeah, they did. They did. Well, I mean, but, um, your sister and brother, did they ever stop doing witchcraft and studying Alistair Crowley? My brother did. pretty much right after that his room got turned. Like I said, he got really scared.

My sister, who unfortunately I really don't speak to you that much, is a wick and she has gone that route, I guess, if you're going to choose a lane. And personally, I think it's all kind of should be left alone. But she still practices, I guess I should say. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I just, I find that interesting. I would really, I really wish we could kind of narrow down.

Because, you know, you've listened to this show. I enjoy, you know, listening to people's stories and trying to put pieces together. And I really wish I could figure out maybe an order. of how this all started, whether it was already at the house or if it was, you know, something that was attached with the family somehow. I just, because a lot of times, like I said earlier, a lot of times people talk about haunted houses and it really is confined to the house. But in that situation and stuff, your dad experienced something that was not in the house. It was in the car traveling with him. I mean, that that was something that, like, you can't say

was confined to the house or chose to stay in the house. It was very much involved in each one of your lives, you know? And I don't know if the, I don't even know if the Quaker is the same entity as what your brother, or what your brother and sister's room had going on. And like, it could be, yeah, it could be totally different things. A lot of times people talk about, because, because I'm open about my faith, a lot of times people, you know, think that I, I think everything is demonic. And I think a lot of things are demonic, but I don't think everything is. I don't understand everything. I don't have a perfect explanation, but I can tell you this, that because I'm a Christian, and I do believe what the Bible says, you know, it's a, in the Bible talks about King Saul saying that he went to basically a witch, and he wanted to communicate to a dead prophet, Samuel. And this witch actually summoned Samuel's spirit. And by all intents and purposes, King Saul was actually talking to Samuel, the ghost. And the Bible even called it a ghost. And so like,

yeah, the Bible didn't say it was a demon pretending to be the ghost of Samuel. It didn't say anything like that. It just said he was talking to the ghost of Samuel. So that, I mean, if you take the Bible when you actually believe what it says, that leads you to believe that there are such things as ghosts and not everything is demons. And that's, I mean, it's a simplistic way to look at things, but that's kind of how I look at it. So when it comes back to your house, in my mind, there could very well be more than one thing going on there. Yeah, I agree with you 100%. Because that was always kind of the feeling. It was like, like I said, in the early years, that's why I kind of like break it up and just like a trilogy almost because it was like a shift in energy. You know, in the early years,

like, you know, chapter one, it was negative. And it was like nasty. energy. And then, like, my brother kind of fell into that a little, you know, and then it was kind of really at the appearance, if you look at it from, you know, 100 yards, with the appearance of the man and the children, you know, they didn't do anything. You know, they just hung out. You know, they were just like, you know, cruising in the car, run around the yard. Right.

Um, that there was like a happy energy, a better energy, I should say. There was still notes of like, oh, this room was called. Like, let's close the door. You know, like, um, there was still things, but it wasn't as pronounced. It wasn't as bad anymore. So I don't know how something would turn off. Like they didn't really turn off 100%, but I don't know how something would kind of dampen like that, you know, such a strong kind of negative.

energy, you know, that if however you want to look at it, you know, it was like, you know, bringing people to the dark side of magic, you know, um, the, to make that polar shift, it is kind of strange. I, you know, it's just, I don't understand it, but that, you know, that's what it was, you know. Yeah. Um, you know, even with my, the sleep paralysis stuff as I got older, if it was sleep paralysis, I don't know, maybe it was being pinned. Um, even when I got older, that went away. But in that chapter one, that's when I would wake up and couldn't move at all, you know? Right. You know? And then it just stopped, you know? Yeah, and I find it interesting, not interesting, but I can kind of relate to, because the way you talk about this, you, you talk as

if it's just a matter-of-fact thing. It doesn't bother you. It's just like it is what it is. It's, it's, well, I think actually earlier in the interview, you described it as numb. Like, you, like, you just become numb to it, the whole situation and everything going on around you. You do. And I can kind of understand what you're saying with that because, I mean, I would never say that I've experienced anything remotely to what you've experienced with that house. But before I moved into the house I live in now, me and my wife were living in an apartment. And every time I sat in my chair in a living room and I was watching TV, almost like clockwork,

every time I was sitting in that chair, I would see a shadow figure out of the corner of my eye walk across the hallway from my bedroom into the bathroom. And we had pictures hanging in the hallway. And the way I would see it would be in the reflection. You would see the reflection in the pictures walking in that direction. And that's legit. Yeah. And so like I tried everything. You know, a lot of times it happened when my wife wasn't even home. So, there's nobody else in the apartment. It's just her and I, and she wasn't there. And, you know, I would, I would try to recreate it and I would have her actually walk from the bedroom to the bathroom, all that stuff, you know. But it really got to the point where it just, I was numb to it. I just, it was like,

whatever, you know, I know it's going to happen. And it used to freak me out, but now I just don't care, you know, I would just ignore it. It just got boring. That's exactly it. It's just, you know, it's just the power of repetition, I guess, you know. Yeah. And just to kind of piggyback on your story a little bit, that was the validation to the family. You know, my father always had his nose in a book. So when the shadow figures were, you know, walking, there was a certain area where it was almost like kind of what do you explain, where they would pass. My father constantly read.

He read like a full novel in like three days. But, um, wow. like me and my mom, my brothers would be, my brother would be sitting, you know, around the television on the couches and the chairs and stuff. And one of us would be like, did you see that?

And it was like, yeah, yes, yeah. You know, it was like, like two of three saw it. All right, you know, we win.

Yeah, it is. And what that is. See, that's what makes me wonder about, you know, you know, the pages in the book,

you know, the, you know, the frame, the frames of life, you know, that get trapped. Like, is something on a loop, you know, like in your house that, like, whatever time it was, is, you know, okay, it's going to happen at 10 o'clock, 10.05, you know? Like, is there something frozen in time at that moment, you know? Because for us, it was always like, like, my mother would say, like, oh, it's 8 o'clock. And, like, that's when we would start, like, seeing stuff. I remember it was, like, 8 o'clock at night, you know?

And during the day, too. but it was always like when we were together that, you know, we had a timestamp for that time, you know, but it was kind of all, you know, throughout the day, but it just makes me wonder, you know, like, why do I, you know, why would you see the same thing, kind of in the same area at the same time, you know, something trapped in a loop, you know, unfortunately, you know. Yeah, and I mean, obviously I've heard of that before and, you know, everybody knows. I'm a truck driver. I'm not a scientist. I don't know how this all works, but I mean, it makes sense that there might be some kind of energy just trapped in looping and not necessarily a spirit,

not necessarily a demon or anything like that. Did I just say demon? No, it's demon. I just added a D on the end of it. Genome. Yeah. But, you know what I mean? Like maybe it is just some kind of energy, like that just is trapped within this loop of time. But even time itself, they say doesn't actually exist. So I don't know. Right. I know. This is getting way too deep for me now. Cern on the phone. Oh, man.

Well, there was one thing that, like, always kind of, again, I was never a skeptic, I guess, because, you know, I was touched at a young age with that garbage cat incident. But, um, like Einstein, uh, believed in, uh, believed in spirits because, uh, you know, everything is made of energy and energy never dies. And I always kind of stuck with me. I'm like, wow, you know. That's a really good point, you know. We are, you know, a ball of energy with, you know, two legs and two arms and a head.

So when we die, you know, I do believe in heaven, you know, but maybe our energy just goes up. But maybe some of the energy just stays down, you know. Your part body, part spirit, part soul, you know. So the spirit and soul, I mean, I've done some studies and stuff on it and I'm not going to get into breaking it down now. but, you know, there's, there, there are two separate things, but they're both on a supernatural, spiritual level, I would say. And then there's the body. But even just the body itself, when, when you die, that body, the physicalness of it is energy and it returns to the ground. And that, that, what happens? It literally turns back into what it came from, dirt, right? So, uh, you have that.

And then, you know, the idea of spirits and souls, like those do, uh, you know, ascend into another realm of existence, you know, like you were saying, the energy goes somewhere. It always does. Sure. It has, well, you know, according to our theory, yeah, it has to. You know, we're not our theory, but the theory. Yeah. Yeah. The only thing I could ever really kind of pick up, you know, going back to the water thing with that back room is that that room was the closest room to, because, you know, we had a well. That room was the closest room to the well. Actually, my mother was one that brought that point up.

I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but, you know, to have one room that's just kind of bonkers and, you know, it's near the water well. You know, who knows, you know? Yeah. I don't know, man. It's really interesting stuff, though. I mean, the whole idea of the whole family being hauled. and everybody's experiencing things.

I mean, that's something I think. I mean, it has to be validation for you, experiencing it, you know, as the youngest kid in the family, that you're not alone. Everybody's experienced things. You've seen your dad experiencing things, you know? Everybody's talked about it. Yeah.

That was the big thing with my father, where it was just kind of like, like, well, that stinks, but, oh, thank God, you know. Yeah, because it's like the handcuffs are off now. Yeah. like we're on the same page you know yeah right absolutely yeah well man i really appreciate coming on night and sharing with us uh that's some fascinating stuff i really appreciate it yeah i hope i hope he gave you something oh for sure absolutely this is a great interview man i love talking to you uh if you ever want to

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