The Confessionals - RELOADED | 492: Underground Base and Hadron Collider of Illinois

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

In Episode 492: Underground Base and Hadron Collider of Illinois, we are joined by the boys from Cryptids Of The Corn, Justin and Jay. They were originally in town to visit me in the studio with Joel from Kill The Mockingbirds and Erick from uNcomfortable podcasts for the recording of our Nephilim Portal Babies episode. Justin and Jay were the only ones of the bunch who had never been featured on The Confessionals so we wanted to give them the spotlight for a couple of hours!Justin begins talking about a man he worked with who had discovered a secret underground facility deep under the O'Hare International Airport in Chicago. We discuss the possibilities of what this facility could be and why it is located in Chicago. Later Justin shares his experience discovering a hadron collider in Illinois as a wildlife biologist. What started out as a routine day of testing for “nerd stuff” in a local creek ended with armed men surrounding him and his team as they entered a location that doesn't exist on Google Maps, but houses a secret hadron collider. We wrap up the conversation by discussing Justin's family property and how they were tormented by bigfoot for nearly two years.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereBigfoot: The Journey To Belief: Stream HereThe Meadow Project: Stream HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - ShutUp N DriveYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine? Out of a Dolion? Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves. Time travel is possible. Merkel.

Media. This was all circulating around. on the base that a giant had to kill but no one was supposed to talk about it. Each up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. The giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast.

It spears Dan holds him up like this. somebody else shoot them in the face shoot them in the face they basically decapitated and i look over and there are two entities and they're literally i'm getting pulled off the best push and i touch air couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because i know i'm seeing a monster okay i reloaded yeah welcome to the show everybody you're listening to the confessional's i'm your host tony merkle thanks for being here if you've a crazy wild experience you want to share with me on the show go ahead and shoot me an email or go to the website the confessional professionalspodcast.com, hit the contact section, and you can reach me that way as well. Other words for me, just get a hold of me.

If you want to hear more shows on a weekly basis, go to the professionalspodcast.com, hit the join button and become a member. As a member, you get access to member shows every Thursday. The Tuesday shows add free, access to the overtime episodes. All that awaits for you right there as a member. So go ahead and check that out if that is something you're interested in. Today we got a great, interesting conversation of two in-studio guests. We have Cryptids of the Corn in studio here today,

and they're going to be sharing a lot of weird stories that they've had personally gone through. And I just want to say that these guys are here because we're about to, after this recording, go into a very deep recording that has a lot of tentacles that Joel from Van Tesla has been throwing our way. The reason why everybody is here this weekend, because it's just not them.

It's Joel, and there's another podcast. or we'll say that for a surprise later in a coming episode maybe. But who am I kidding? It's going to be Eric from Uncomfortable Podcast. All the guys are here because we've all had experiences with Joel from Van Tesla and his theory that he shares on podcast. And every time he goes on somebody's podcast to share this theory, things go berserk. Technology fails.

And we're going to talk about all that stuff on the other show. And we're going to go in deep on it. So but before we get that, recording, I wanted to sit down with you guys and have you guys talk about some of these experiences you've had and share with the audience and let the audience know who you are. So per tradition, when I bring people on the podcast, I let them share who you are, where you're from, where people can find you. And so, Jay, if you want, go ahead and take those reins.

Who are you? What is cryptids of the corn? Well, we are a podcast that covers anything from Sasquatch to all other sort of cryptids. And then we dive into some paranormal. We get into personal experiences we have that people have. They want to share with us. But most of all, it's a lot of Justin here, my partner in crime, I'd say. Yeah.

And his wealth of knowledge of information about these sort of subjects and his own personal experiences. And then I come from a whole different angle of where I don't have much experience in this stuff at all. But it's his interest in knowledge that just drives my brain crazy. And I get to thinking because I think I'm a logical kind of thinker kind of guy. And I really like digging into this stuff. and he piques my interest.

You and me are not going to fit in very well with each other. Logical thinking is it escapes me. No, I'm just kidding. Well, and then logical thinking doesn't have to be any, doesn't have to be straightforward. It can be paired. Like, it can be different. I'm a sucker for the fantastical.

Like, I love fantastic stories. I love stories. That's why we have the show because I just really enjoy a good freaking story. You know, I just, people are like, yeah, I don't know. Like, listen, that was a freaking, freaking awesome story, you know? And that's the thing with the way I built the show. it's just like I'm not telling people what to believe. I'm just saying, hey, this person experienced something.

I talk to them. I really believe they had this experience. It's up to you, though, to decide what you want to personally believe. I just love stories. So, like, the confession is like story time, you know? I love it. With you guys, it seems like you guys, well, Jay, you just described Justin here. And just over the last, since last night, sitting down with you guys, Justin, you seem like you're

very, and this is weird because I, I would feel weird if somebody said this to me, you know? Like, people say weird things to me. Like, I'm like, ah, you know, don't say that, you know? But I'm just going to say it for you. You strike me as somebody that has a very high IQ. You, and you said earlier that you have two, I think you said two learning disabilities. And I was actually irritated with you because I feel like I have learning disabilities and I don't feel like I'm as smart as you.

And I'm just like, freak, man, how'd you do that? You know, how'd you get so smart? You know? You trade it out for not being able to spell. I got you. I got you. Well, I still can't spell. So I don't know what. But no. So how did cryptids of the corn come together? Ooh, that's, so I was at work. I work at a bowling alley, bartending. And Justin's a frequent customer every week.

We like, we like the drink. And so he shows up one day and he just calls me over. He's like, do you believe in Bigfoot? Yeah, I believe in Bigfoot. He's probably like the third person that night has gotten this. Yeah. So he drives me over there and I'm all into this. Like, yeah, like, let's talk about it. it. So he starts sharing stuff. And we formed this group together where we have a Hardin County Bigfoot Society where we, he wanted to develop a thing where we can go out in excursions and take people out in excursions and try to have an experience with them. And I was all on board for that. And then he also had the idea, well, let's talk about it too. Let's start a podcast. If you can't tell Justin's, well, you soon find out Justin's a talker. Yeah. It's a very good talker. So I'm all in.

And I think I'm a very good listener. So it's a good dynamic that way. So that's how it naturally just started. So we went down, did our first ever excursion down in Hockman Hills. And then we scared a possum. Yep, we scared a possum. And then we had one microphone and one recording device. And there was three of us at the time.

But you did it in the woods? Oh, no, after. Oh, I was going to say, hold on the fact. So we went on our little excurs. We just kind of walked through the woods and just looked at stuff, you know, just first time. For a second there, I thought I almost had a hard, a podcaster heart attack. I was like, don't tell me your first episode was you out in nature. Like that is like an audio nightmare.

I was like, holy crap. It still is an audio nightmare. Yes. There's a $50 Amazon set. Oh, well, that does that. Well, we could go into that. The quality of equipment, everybody has their own starting. I didn't start with these SM7Bs.

You know what I mean? Like I started with a microphone. It was an M Audio Nova that I had from college that was sitting, collecting dust. in the basement. That's what I used. You know what I mean? When I first started. Um, but, uh, I did have a guy when I first started podcasting. I called him for the interview. And I hear this, like these trucks going, room, shroom. I'm like, no, no, no, what? That wasn't it. That wasn't actually. It started out with crunch, crunch, crunch. I'm like, what do you? Like, are you walking on chips or something? He's like, no, I'm walking through the forest.

I thought I'd, I'd be out in nature to tell you this story. So it creates this environment. I was like, no, man. Like we, like, I need it quiet. Like, like, I need it quiet. Like, like, need so people can hear you and say, oh, let me find a quiet spot. So he calls me back and he's sitting outside of gas station on the side of the road. And you hear vehicles going, roon, real, and I'm just like, oh, dear Lord. Go back to the woods. Yeah. And then he, I think this is the same guy that told me a story.

It was the first time in my podcasting that he told me a story that I was just like, I don't believe you. Like I don't. And like, I'm some. who believes the world's really crazy, really bizarre, and I don't personally understand how crazy it is. Therefore, I'm not the arbiter of truth. But he was the first person. I was like, oh, you just lied to me. Like, I literally, you said things that contradict other things to the point that one of those two things is not true. And then I didn't know how to cut it off, though.

And so I just let him do his thing. I just never aired it. You just got let it go. It's very uncomfortable, though. I was just like, huh, you know, but back then I had time to waste. Now, if I caught somebody in line to me, I was like, okay, hey, it was really good talking to you. You got to go, though. I don't got time to waste hearing, you know, something that I know is a lie, you know? But anyways, sorry, that took me off course here. We do that all the time. So you're saying you didn't record in the woods. Great. Where you're a hawking hills, go. At his buddy's house. So we were sitting all over this one microphone, all three of us huddled over one, recorded our first episode. And then just like you were saying, what the car's going,

by it. I think our first probably 20 episodes. We had to do it, my apartment living room. And right on Main Street of our towns. Gotcha. So every now and then you'd hear, Mm-hmm. Engine brakes. Oh, yeah.

Oh, my gosh. So that's how we started. And it's just slowly we paid attention to like little things like that, just gotten better, better. And we met so many people throughout this process that have stories to share that people,

you know your whole life almost, that never shares in the coolest part. Yeah. And just people open up to you and, you know, you kind of become a what, like a comfort kind of vessel for people just to open up with their experiences. And it's a great feeling, I think, for both of us. I mean, people have known all our lives that I had a big foot encounter.

They had a big foot encounter. We never knew about each other. And then through this, they came and shared their stories with us and stuff like that. So it's amazing because we'd never, they die. Those stories would die with those people. Yeah. And it's our locals, you know, it's just, that's probably the best part of anything we've done. So you're getting ingrained into the local community with the weird.

Is that what you're saying? Oh, gosh. Yes. That's cool. Oh, yeah. They're coming out. I work at a hospital now, and I'm the big foot guy in the hospital. Uh-huh.

So people will come all the way down from all over the hospital. They're like, what do you think of this picture? So when I started, I was in the Philly area. So this stuff, not on anybody's radar. And so I was like just alone, you know, very lonely. Uh, but I've seen people like you, uh, the Holoscye podcast. guys, they had this happen where like the local community starts recognizing you. And that's just got to be cool. Like I've never had that experience, but like being a podcast, especially in the

beginning, like you're looking like you're motivated because you want to do something and you're having fun. But there's got to be like another level of motivation that comes up when all of a sudden you feel like you like you're becoming somebody within your community. That that's a topic that isn't being tapped yet. Like, it's not like, you know, oh, yeah, I'm the local orthodontist, you know. It's just like, no, I'm the local podcaster that people recognize me for talking about weird things

and they come to me like, hey, like, I hear you talk about this and I need to tell you something. So our first cover art that we ever did is a Harry in the cornfield is our Bigfoot. That was told to us by a guy that does not believe in Bigfoot. Really? So this is a local farmer to our area.

He's a really big, a really big, a really big guy in our community. He comes up and he's like, you believe in all that big foot crap. And I'm like, well, you know, I'm like, yeah, you know, I do. And he's like, that's not real. And then I'm like, okay, you know,

I don't ever argue. It's everybody's opinions. I wouldn't believe if I didn't have my own experience. Yeah. And he's like, but I did see something weird once. So they were harvesting corn at night, late season. They run the combines all night.

They have the lights on. He's like, And we are in a college town, so it's not weird. College kids like to go out in the cornfield to do college kid things. What's that? I'm kidding. All kinds of fun. You don't need to go into it.

There's probably kids listening. So he's not used to people getting up and running out of the field and stuff like that. It's not as weird as they seem. He's like, but this year, this guy stood up and took off and he could see his shoulders and his head above the corn running through the field. He's like, the corn that year was seven foot tall. So he, and I'm like, you don't think that was a big foot. He's like, no, no, no. I'm like, so I guess it was shack or somebody out there. Yeah, I mean, so, I mean, corn gets tall. Like, so I think people who maybe, uh, maybe don't grow up

in rural areas or they just don't stop. Like you, you're seeing it from the car and you're like, oh, there's corn. That stuff is like tall, tall, tall, tall. So on a bad year, a bad year, seven feet. Yeah. A good year, you know, we've had 10 feet corn in our area, 10 foot tall corn. So what was his thought behind it? Oh, it was done. He walked away. I think he was... What do you mean it was done? He walked away. He was done talking about it.

He just wanted to share that experience. Oh, that's like, okay, gotcha. So he just needed to come out of the closet with it. I think he was crazy. Yeah. And he was just done with it. Yeah. When you come from a really...

We're from a really small community. And, you know, when you come from that, you don't want to be known as like that crazy person. Yeah, but you still need to get it off the chest. Oh, absolutely. Wow, that's interesting. So you guys getting ingrained in the community with all this stuff, Like, you said you're from a small community.

Like, how small are we talking about? Ada's 5,000 people. Okay. That's when college is in session. When college is in session. And without college, it's about 25. Ada, Ohio. Ada, Ohio.

Was that Ada Community College or something like that? No, it's Ohio Northern University. It's an Ivy League. Okay, gotcha. It's a really big college. Gotcha. And we're the little thing attached to it. Yeah, I got you.

I reign from a big chunk of my childhood was Kutstown, Pennsylvania, which there's Kustown University when the school is in session there's a lot of people in town when there's not, there's like 3,000, you know? So I totally get it. Now, with that though,

with that picture in my head now with, you know, 5,000 people, it's not a big town. What's the ratio here as far as like people that are maybe recognizing you? Is this something that's becoming very frequent

as far as, maybe not even recognizing, but it's just like, hey, I heard you guys were from this area, I got a story for you. Like, is this becoming something where it's like almost you could do several episodes a year from your area? Because like, oh yeah. Okay, because like I'm coming from where I came in Pennsylvania, I mean, I'd be lucky if I had one person a year reach out to me within the Philadelphia area with experiences. I just assumed nobody ever listened to my show in the Philly area. Now, we definitely, it happens to me a lot of the hospitals stuff, which is the town next to us.

but yeah we could definitely do we have done several episodes and just from literally eight Ohio people from eight Ohio have come up and talk and I work at a bowling like I said earlier bartending people just will come up

at the bar and talk to me about just ask me questions and stuff and it's fun but it's really fun yeah that's cool I mean like you're already part of the community as the bartender and stuff like that's your job your job is to poor drinks hold conversation

you know and so that's kind of cool that's cool so all right So that's kind of like how the show comes together. You probably said this, but I don't remember, so I'm going to ask you. How did you two meet again? So we've just always kind of known each other. It was at the bullying either, right? Yeah.

We're near the same age, but our grandpals are really good friends and stuff like that. So it's just, which was a weird coincidence. Gotcha. So you guys decided to start the podcast and you start going. And you're having the podcast, it's growing, it's doing its thing. but coming to the table of the podcast game, Justin had a lot of different bizarre things. Oh, yeah. He had the goods.

Yeah, he had definitely, from what I'm hearing, has the goods. So what I want to do, and this first story I'm going to open up with, I'm just going to kind of lay out words. You know where I want to go with it, and you just go, okay? And we have a conversation to see what happens. Chicago? tell me about Jimmy Wu. Okay.

So I was a fishery biologist. I did fishery surveys and stuff like that. Basically, we used fish data to check water quality. It's cheaper than doing chemical test. So even Steve, an area needs chemical testing. They'd have us go in first and make sure that there was a problem,

even pay the extra money to go through. We were a third man company, like a third man party. So we were paid by both people, so it really didn't matter what the results came out to us. Because somebody's going to be on the wrong end of a lawsuit most of the time. So Jimmy Wu is a friend because we all signed NDAs for certain stuff. So he did stuff on the Chicago airport, you know, the international airport.

There's tons of waterways that run through there. And they're crystal clear. Not a lot of fish in him. So as he was going up the stream, up the river in the airports, they were seeing these giant, well, they were seeing these culverts, these capped culverts,

they were entering the river inside the Chicago airport stream. All right, so pause for a second. Yeah. Cap culverts entering the river. So basically anything from like, the smallest one they seen was a foot and the biggest one

is probably eight to ten feet. You were talking like a tube? Yeah, a concrete tube. And they would come in a couple feet into the bottom of the river. So it was like either a process, wasn't finished or something down there needed access to a lot of fresh water very fast.

But the variety of, I've been all over, he's been all over, the variety of sizes of pipe like that, don't, they don't, it doesn't happen in that kind of stacking. Like normally a culvert, uh, that line of work is you check culverts a lot. None of those culverts were on his map, uh, which was weird right there. and they didn't seem to be doing anything. They weren't open. They were, you know, completely capped off, like they could be opened.

And there was a ton of them going the whole length through under all the airfields, going, you know, towards the airport, you know, under all the runways and stuff like that. And this is Chicago airport? Yes. And as far as Jimmy told me, that's, you know, but it's just, it's like for that much space

to be missing under the runways, Because they go, you know, the culverts have to go distance. It wouldn't make sense just to them to, you know, go 10 feet into the bank and not go anywhere. Because some of these, like I said, he's seen some of these culverts that were 10 feet wide. You know, me and you could hold hands and stretch out and probably not touch the sides of these things and they're in the bottom. So they were placed there before the airport was built, I imagine. You know, he didn't know, I don't know. But they are massive and they are everywhere.

And they're almost like in a giant grid pattern. So it's like, there's a lot of space. How many would you say he thought there was? Over 40 of the big ones. And how, like, confined of a space are we talking about? So I think he did probably about a little over half a mile of river. And they were kind of take turns going on each side of the river. And then there would be the little ones intermediate.

Little ones, he said, didn't seem to have any rhyme or reason a lot of the time. But the big ones are pretty much, there'd be a big one here on the right hand side. And then, you know, 20 feet, there'd be on the one on the left hand side and like that. But they stretch out in every direction going towards, you know, even like to where you, I can't think of the name right now, like where you go to actually get on the plane and stuff like that, the terminals, the terminals. It's very peculiar. Now, something I experienced with that same airport was on the outside of the fence. so they have signal jammers.

So the big part of our job is with GPS, like we use GPS coordinates that are very, very small because for our surveys to be accurate over years of periods, we need to do the exact same spot each time. So if you're not doing the exact same spot, let's see if you go 20 feet downstream, that's completely different habitat.

So you're going to get a different score for that rover. So that's not good data. So we use these GPS signals. These signal jammers would, first off, your cell phones were done. But it would mess with our GPS. And they shouldn't be able to do that. Or normally they wouldn't be able.

And they expected us and Jimmy and everybody do their job accurately without the technology we used to do our job. So a lot of the stuff in the airport was guesswork that they did. So with what you just said, what are your assumptions and conclusions

as to this whole story he told you. And before you actually say that, why hasn't anybody else been talking about this? Is it a secluded area? Because when you say Chicago, you automatically think like people are crawling everywhere. So the Chicago airport's on the northern end, well, roughly.

But the area around it is very high-end housing. This is not when you think of like, downtown Chicago and there's hundreds of thousands of people or like Juliet or something. This is, you know, a very high-end area, you know, half-million dollar homes, stuff like that all around. Roseville's the town right next to it and their water towers in the shape of a giant rose. Wow. Got fancy on that one. Yeah. The area has a lot of money. So. Extra cashé.

Yeah. And you, the airport is an international airport. So it obviously has tons of security. And the only reason he could see that stuff is because they were doing a water survey. And they were literally standing in a boat over top of an area. And they were probably the only people to ever stand in that river section in a boat on top of them, looking straight down. Oh, okay. Now I think I'm picturing this better. So this was like this was seen in the water. Yeah, they're on the bottom of the river.

I got you. Okay. So now, because I, so when Christian is being a live producer here in the studio, so everybody listening right now, Christian, yell hi. There we go. So I don't know if that got picked up because I got the noise gates pretty strong on these mics. But when Christian and I and Joel,

who's in the next room, we all went to Kentucky. We were walking through the woods and we found these giant metal tubes going down into the ground, right? And at first, at first glance, we're looking at, like, holy crap, what is this here for?

And so when you were talking about this stuff, that's what I'm thinking, like I'm thinking, I'm thinking when you said, going into the river. I'm like thinking going from the bank into the river. So you're saying, they're on the bottom of the river going into the ground.

The only way you can see these things is they were standing in a boat in the river looking down. Wow. So he was probably one of three people that have ever had that experience because they don't let them do those surveys very often. Because it's, you know, it's an airport. There's a lot of security anyways. To even get into that site for them was very difficult and they made it. they made it a big pain, hoping most of the places that they would do and we would do surveys in, they didn't want us there.

They'd make it as big a pain of possible. Yeah. So it keeps canceling and stuff like that. So eventually, most of the environmental agencies will just forget about it. This one, they couldn't let go because of certain reasons. Wow. Okay. All right.

So let's go to the why. The what and why? It's a very wealthy area. So once again, this is Jimmy's story. But I think there's a lot of. lot of empty space. There's a lot of space under the airport that is unaccounted for. Under the airport? Yeah. That's where these culverts were going was under the airport. From the river into the airport. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Tracking. So you have a lot of empty space under the Chicago airport that is unaccounted for. No planning maps. So Jimmy had the entire sewer system map. That's what for their work. They needed that. None of this is there. Oh, we know what this is.

You know what this is. You say it, I'm thinking it. So it's just like Denver. You know, it's the underground bunk. It's the underground base. It's just, it's massive. All right. So I'm not thinking that.

What are you thinking? I'm thinking it's a bunch of rich people with bunkers. Yeah. Like, so yeah. Okay. Like, I'm not, like, maybe. For emergencies. I was, I wasn't thinking about more governmental.

Because like here, so here's a thing. I got a friend of mine who used to, I believe he was, he ran SWAT. And at one point he had to escort somebody to the underground tunnel system in the Denver airport. And he was met by military police that took the person he was escorting further down. Everybody that lives around there is extremely wealthy. What, Chicago or Denver? No, the area around the Chicago airport. Gotcha.

Every survey I personally did in the area around, they treated us like garbage. They hated us because we were there checking the water quality. When I did all the work in Chicago, I worked Chicago pretty much four years in a row. All the rich people hated us for trying to check on water quality and all the poor people loved us because they thought it was awesome. Somebody cared about them. About them. Yeah, for once. You know, so it was like when we went to the poor neighborhoods and you know, Chicago is rough.

No, I never heard that. So we're going with all this, like we look like Ghostbusters. I'll show you a picture after this or give you a picture to post because you look like Ghostbusters. We're the waiters and we have this thing that you don't understand what it is. and they were always They'd watch us They were all so excited The poor areas

And they're rich people treated Like garbage But this area of Chicago Is the rich of the rich So I think it's a bugout spot In case stuff goes down They got plenty of room And very clean fresh water

To pull from Yeah It's a constant flowing source Above the city So if something happens in the city Your water source Isn't running through all that Ah

So the water source So the water source would be away from any kind of maybe nuclear type. Or just any, like even burn pollution, stuff like that. Okay. Contaminants. Yeah, any kind of contaminants. It's above most of that. So your water system will need less purification. Gotcha.

I mean, be like, so you're not drinking out of the sanitary shipping canal, which is not sanitary. So, yeah, as a biologist, right? Yeah. Okay. So as a biologist, maybe you could answer this. maybe not, I don't know. So let's just say, as a biologist, when it comes to this whole underground base thing, so let's just say Jimmy saw these whatever they were under the water, right?

Big tubes. And we're saying that there's underground facilities there for the rich and powerful type people, right? We got the source of water, but what about food? So as a biologist, do you have any ideas on how easy or hard it would be to kind of grow a massive amount of food underground? So my other degree is an agricultural technology. Perfect. I don't even know that. It's like I gave you a layup.

No, it wouldn't be hard, especially with fresh water would be your biggest thing, especially, let's say, apocalyptic stuff. You know, freshwater is the thing you need the most to make anything happen. It's also really cold. that some of the coldest water in Chicago is running through there. So it would be really easy to have a small power plant under there too because you need cool water to keep it cool. But it does warm up downstream. And that's kind of one thing that they were talking about and stuff that it's odd

that it was cool there and warmer than we'd expect to see further downstream. So the warmth meaning... Normally, like, when I would personally work around power plants and stuff like that, that's what you see because it sucks in the cool water from the river, warms it up because it's cool in itself and spits it back out. So you think that that warm water is being spit out from something? It could be. It could vary.

One of those culverts that he's seen could have an intake that you really can't see. And it could be sucking in and pushing out on a different one. Okay. So. But hydroponics would be very easy to do down there too, especially with how large some of the culverts were. It wouldn't be hard. Yeah. And I mean, like, my wife is actually currently prepping our basement to grow food this winter inside, you know?

So, like, I know it's possible. but as somebody who started trying to grow my own food this year, I suck at it. So I'm just like, I have a very bad gauge as to, is it possible to ground to ground? Because like, I'm trying to grow in my backyard. And I'm just like, come on to me, plant, do what you're supposed to do. You know, it's just like, come on, buddy, get up. You know, it's just like, it's so bad. But hopefully I do better next year.

I think I know what I did wrong this year. But so as a biologist, as an agricultural, Basically, I just had a degree in ag technologies. So how many degrees do you have? Two. Two. Yeah. Both bachelors, master's what?

So they're a cumulative bachelors. Basically, I just did all bunch of biology on the first one. And then I'm just like, I'm so close to getting something in biology. I'll just keep going. Gotcha. Okay. With that said, I personally have this perception of science-y, smart guys like yourself, that you wouldn't pay mind to such things as what we're just discussing.

Is that the case for most people like you? Are you an exception or are you just hypothesizing, but you really don't believe what you just said? So, like I said, I want to make it very clear, I've never been on the Chicago airport. That was all Jimmy. So I'm hypothesizing on what he's seen. Yeah.

But I mean, I mean, the growing, the food on the ground for a rich civilization of people. I believe there's something there, whether it's capability. You do believe there's something there. Yeah, 100%. I believe him. There's something there.

But it does have the capabilities of being a lot of different things, though. It's just, all I know is that it's massive, and it's not on any map that he's seen, that he should have had access to. Because they were literally doing surveys that involved that area. You'd expect if you want a crew that's poking around down there

to have an accurate map. Gotcha. That's interesting. Okay. What do you think about this, Jay? I mean, I tend to agree with what he thinks about there being an underground bunker city's possible future civilization, you know, growing there. But I like the power plant idea.

I really think that might be some sort of whether it's nuclear power plant or something like that. I think maybe something like that's going on, which could be powering who knows what. And that's where there's another mystery because then what do they need all this extra power for and why do they need to keep it hidden off the actual grid if that is the case, you know, hypothesizing. Yeah. That's what we do.

We just think out loud. Right. Yeah. And we know that we're going to have arrows thrown out of us for thinking out loud without having definite conclusions on topics. But it's fun. Yes. So that's an interesting story. Jimmy saw something underneath that water that I was assuming that it was something going into the water from the surface.

But seeing it under the water, that just kind of like, wow, that's interesting. That's really interesting. I'd be interested to hear if anybody else ever has seen or heard of anything going on as far as like underground stuff out that way. That's interesting. So that's Chicago, Jimmy Wu. I keep wanting to say Jimmy Woohoo because that's fighting away. So you said you work at a hospital now. Yeah, so I tore my knee out last year, so I had to give up the fisheries work.

I just physically couldn't do it anymore. That stinks. Yeah, I miss it, but I love what I do now. I love people I work with. Do you? I do. Okay. I do enjoy my job.

I would never want to work in a hospital. I work in a very small hospital. But they have that smell, that distinct smell that I just could never get past. Like, I almost missed my kid's birth because I didn't want to be in there. But yeah, so I, so I basically, I was a fisheries technician, which is, was a, it's like a field biologist. It's hard to explain to somebody that's like, not in the field. Yeah.

So I just say biologist because it's the easiest word for people to understand. Sure. My actual title was fisheries technician, which means field biologist. I was the guy, I didn't do a lot of lab work

or if any of it, which I'm happy for. I'd rather be out doing it stuff, you know. For sure. That actually, that fits you. Yeah.

For what you're doing right now with everything that you do now, it makes sense you'd want to be out there and just kind of in the environment doing things. But like you asked earlier, if I was the anomaly for my, the field I was in,

yeah. I would talk about it in the lab and stuff like that when we'd see all the people. So our whole facility was fairly large, like maybe 30 employees, which is pretty big for a bio, you know, bio-environmental service company. Most time it's like five or six people and they never see each other. One of our lab guys, I went in, we were talking about Bigfoot in the shop, and he heard us. He was a caluritian. So what they do is they go into an environment and they decide how many calories can support how many animals in that environment from the top down. So how many black bears that all the frog population can support?

Like a big thing in Michigan, people don't realize most of protein black bears eat is amphibians. They're not hunting down deer. They're not, you know, killing salmon. They do eat those food products, but that's a very rare infrequency. They're mostly eating small protein sources to get the make up for that. It's a lot easier to catch 50 frogs and is to catch an adult deer. Yeah. So he came in and he heard us talking about Bigfoot and he's just like, you know,

again with one of the guys, that's just bull crap. There's nothing real with Bigfoot. And he just kind of, and then he walked away. I thought that was the end of it. Then like two or three weeks later, I shared this with Eric,

he loved it, but two or three weeks later, he throws me a piece of paper. And I'm like, well, what's this? He's like, Bigfoot was real, and they are roughly two times the size of a black bear

and they're feeding on a similar diet. This is how many of them can survive on the North American continent. And the low end was 5,000. The high end was 30. 5,000, but he put it right in the middle at 15,000. It was his magic number. And he's like, if they were real... That's a lot.

Yeah. But think about trying to find 15,000 African elephants on the North American continent. For sure. Yeah. But with that, it's a lot in the sense of... And you said North America or United States? North American continent. North America. So Canada. So Canada. Part of Central America. So let's just... And he said 15,000. He said... Conservatively, that's the number.

So you said Canada and... North, in the United States, we're not counting Latin America, right? Just a little bit of Central America, the actual continental part. So let's take it down to, let's just say, 5,000 in the United States.

To 5,000 divided by 52 per state, not even 52. Let's take out Hawaii. Right. You know, wait, 52, 50. 52 days in a year, Tony. Come on, get it right. But so 49 states.

you know, that's still a lot per per state. And so it makes sense in the sense that people say they see things, but then we don't really have the ability to just go out and find things. You know what I mean? I know Big Cat biologists

that they have a tag cat and they can't find it. They have a tracker on this mountain lion that's pinging and they cannot find this mountain lion. How's that possible? Because they're really good at hiding. They don't want you to find them.

Wow. Because last time you found it, you tranked it and put a collar on. Fool me once. Shame on me. Full me twice. You're not going to fool me again. So even if you say they're just as smart as a big cat or a little smarter, you know, we all have opinions on how intelligent Sasquatch is.

But let's say they're the same level as a big cat. And they really don't want to be around people. You're not going to find them. You can be walking in that woods for circles. They can be behind you half the time. You'd never know about it. That's interesting. I'm really glad you said that because the fact that the cat is tagged and they still can't be found really puts it in perspective as the ability to hide if you want to be hidden.

Especially if it's in your own backyard, your own home. Yeah. You know. Yeah. That's interesting. That's really interesting. So you have no problem believing in Bigfoot. Correct.

Now, because I, we'll get to it later. I had my own encounter. if I didn't, I would not believe. I would never be disrespectful to somebody, but the field I went into, I was always biologically minded. Just everything in science shouldn't exist, even though that's not true.

When you look at them feasibly, they do exist. Well, I know they exist, but feasibly they can exist. The continent hasn't changed very much since the last ice age. The base food source is still here. The megaphone all died out for different reasons,

but they're just, I wanted some of our last bit of megafauna. We still have, Elk, we still have moose. You know, we still have the bison. You still have these giant animals that are capable of surviving. Yeah. I mean, moose are elk where we go fishing out in Michigan.

I've walked up on elk. Didn't know they were there. That's a 900-pound animal. Wow. And it's like, oh, we both looked at each other because neither of us knew we were there. I'd rather be around a black bear than an elk. Really? Yeah.

Wow. I've never been around a black bear, you know, out in the wild, nor an elk. but I might be actually getting into hunting and I'd like to go hunting for elk. But let's start transitioning here because I wanted to explore your background and how you kind of view things and I thought that was going to be important moving forward

so I wanted to tackle it before we got any further. Now, you used to be out in the field before you were in a hospital. Was it your job and working in the field that took you to Illinois where you had this, I'm assuming you had some kind of experience or understanding of a hedgeron collider. Did you meet somebody that told you about it?

Please tell me you stumbled across it, went inside, and saw all the lizard people. Not that far. Dang it. But yeah, that's what took us to work. My work is what took us there. So basically, a lot of these sites that we do, most of them, they can be from tiny little streams to great big rivers,

but they are on cyclical cycles. So most of our sites are on two-year or three-year cycles. Some of our sites are on seven-year cycles. You know, it can be any number. It just depends on what the survey will pay for. So it basically is to just monitor to make sure the river is only getting better or staying the same, not getting worse. When it gets worse, somebody needs to pay more money. And nobody wants to do that.

Right. It usually comes out of taxpayer pocket. Chicago is pretty good about trying to make other people pay for it. Yeah. Business mostly. Gotcha. But so this site hadn't been surveyed for seven years that we're getting ready to go to. The instructions on it are entered from the back of the facility.

There's a fence. You have the key. So basically, the guy that first did this survey site doesn't work for my company anymore. Nobody on my crew has ever been to this site. So we get a little piece of paper that says this is the last time we went to this site. You drive down basically a little stone rolled behind the woods. You'll hit a locked gate. here's the key for the lock gate you go through do the site.

So we do this and this big giant fence, big lock on it, and we unlock it, we go through, and we find the stream. This stream is like, you know, three or four inches wide. We still have to survey it. Really? There's no fish. I know some of the stuff we surveyed. You'd be like, why do we do that?

Because the bug crew will then come in and then the chemistry crew will come in. But you need to get data on all those. Even if there's no fish, that's still data. But it is for what's about to happen. It does look ridiculous. So we get there. And like I said, we look like Ghostbusters most of time. We're bringing a thing called a backpack shocking unit for fishery surveys.

It looks like the Ghostbuster backpack with a big wand out the front of it. And it shoots electricity. So it looks freaky. So we start unpacking. And I put this thing on. We're flooded by people in like seconds. And we're like, what the hell these guys are armed? very heavily

and they're just yelling at us like what the hell are you doing here what the hell are you doing here and we're like fish survey because we have permits and everything we have permission slips

and they so they look at this little creek and they look at these three nerds in all nowhere saying fish survey and they're like hell no it's not a fish survey

one thing I did leave out is right behind this other side we thought it was an oil pipe this thing's like 12 15 foot you know, diameter, this giant pipe. We're like, that's a lot of oil. You know, we don't know what the hell it is.

These guys, and they take our phones, they go through to make sure we didn't take any pictures, and we have to take site pictures and stuff. They went through, deleted all those. They took our IDs, and then they left. We were there for like a half hour, sweating bullets with a bunch of armed men. And we did not know why we were being,

we're not in a good situation. We're panicking. I think I'm like 22 at this point. I was very young in my career. I just got my first year out of college for fisheries. And it's just ridiculous. Finally, they come back. It's like a half hour later.

And they were like, we got a hold of the last site manager. He said he forgot to let us know that you guys were coming. And you're not welcome anymore and give us the key back. We're like, yep, there you go, sir. Here's the key. Here's our data sheets. We will not be coming back. What had happened was it was originally some kind of laboratory.

And they got bought out by the government, and they built a Hydron Collider there, a mini one. And they didn't tell, nobody knew that Backgate was back there. It's the middle of a woods. Oh, you can't see it. And so seven years ago, it was just a bio lab. And we had a key to the gate. Oh, my gosh. It was one of the scariest moments of my life, because you're just swarmed by people that are armed and not happy.

Because there's a bunch of guys near a Hydron Collider with Ghostbusters gear. saying they're here for a fish survey. I would have shot me. Yeah. Wow. So basically you got like, wow. The old property manager is what the site manager. The site manager saved your rear end.

Well, they were going to keep us there the whole probably indefinitely. We probably weren't leaving if they didn't, if he didn't say, yeah, it's a fish crew. They come every X years, you know, I forgot to say. But yeah. They were calling him. They were calling all kinds of people. They already checked. Like, they were doing background checks on us and all kinds of stuff.

They took our IDs. Wow. Wow. No badges or nothing on nobody. Nobody was affiliated with anything. Of course not. Of course not. And that scares the hell of you even more.

Oh, yeah. Because you don't know who this is. We are freaking these guys out. Because the stuff we have, the equipment we have, they can't explain. They don't understand what we're saying. It looks freaky. I really, I have to get a picture for you so you can post it. because it's hard to explain what this thing looks like.

And these guys are on edge and we are on edge. Oh my gosh. But you're not the most threatening person, like visually. But these, it's an area. Nobody's supposed to be. Yeah. I'm sure on some security camera, they look back. There's three guys at a truck carrying this Ghostbusters equipment walking around.

They're trying to blow this place out. Yeah, I'm sure. We had gas and stuff because we run a generator. Wow. So we had everything, you know. Wow. that's crazy. That's crazy. Shoot, dude.

Yeah. So is this something that's well known as far as a hedron collider? I mean, in that moment when this is happening, did they inform you, this is a hedron collider? No, hell no. Yeah. So how'd you find out it was a hedron? We looked it up later. It took a lot of research because there's not really any markings on the building.

We're told we weren't really supposed to, we're not really supposed to say what the building was. But we didn't sign nothing. But I'm not going to say what the building was. but it's in Illinois. I'll give you the state. But just because I don't want anybody coming to my house. You don't need that private army showing back up. Yeah.

But no, we didn't know. And they were not telling us anything. And then like leave now. It's pretty much give us the key. Give us all your documents. And they went through all of our phones, delete it every, make sure we didn't have anything.

And then just leave now. And we also have GPS units. We have water meters. We have all this stuff that just doesn't make any sense with all these wires. Yeah. Holy crap, man. And, yes, we looked it up later. Basically, we found X lab.

We knew the X lab, you know, the lab before what it was. And it was even, it was in our notes and everything like that. We went into the front of the building. We'd just seen there's about 85 gates. So you can't even get close to the thing anymore. But, like, so we, a lot of our work was based off old field notes. So with some old biologist that was already retired, wrote down, yep, just go through the back gate. They know you're coming.

That's, that's so like, like, like, that. That's just so typical. Like, of course it would be like that. You know, like, it's just, it was an old site that isn't what it is now. And the only instruction you have from an old guy who's been retired for 100 years is just like, yeah, there's an old game. You just go right through in the streams there. Do your job. Got out.

It should be, you know, two hours max, you know, and all of a sudden you're being swarmed. That's crazy. Yeah, we were there for at least 40 minutes. That whole site shouldn't have took more than 20. They informed you that this was a government facility at that point, I'm assuming? No. No. They didn't tell us nothing.

Really? We weren't asking questions either. You weren't? Weren't. Why not? I'm kidding. They were not excited we were there. Yeah.

And we were not excited we were there. Yeah. So you left there not knowing who they were. Nope. We didn't know nothing. So you were pretty confused. Oh yeah. We went straight back to the hotel.

We stopped working for the day. We were all like, yeah. Because it was just, that was our first side of the day because it's supposed to be the easy one. We're supposed to, you know, 20 minutes in and out. You get, nobody pointed a gun at us.

I want to make that clear, but there was a lot of people holding a lot of guns around us. Yeah. That we're not happy we were there. And so, all right. Here's the thing. I, and I've never been in the situation. So I'm only speaking from what I would assume I would be in that situation. I would, I would think that I would be like, well, who are you?

You know, like, like, who are you? Because, I mean, I'm, I'm going to. I need some identifications. I'm not letting, like, again, this is, I mean, Illinois, so the gun laws are different anyways. So like, but like, if that happened here, I'd be like, yo, well, I got one too. So show me something. Like, what is this?

You know? Nobody, none of your team, you all just left there, just knowing that some dudes rolled up on you with guns and asking for information. Biologists are very introverted and shy people generally. I am the oddball. And I was not asking questions. I'm still young, but I was young then right out of high, right out of college. And I'm just, I don't, I'm not asking any questions.

I want to go home. I want to see my girlfriend. I want to talk to my parents. Like, I don't want to end up in the Hydron Collider. You know, it's funny is that if that happened to me today, I might, one of my first thoughts would be after the initial scare would be, man, this is going to be a great story if I survive. Like, I'm like, I cannot wait to tell the story on the show.

I don't think I've ever shared it on the show. Do you think it was a... Slacking on that one. Do you think it was a private army or do you think it was government officials with the guns? I don't know. They were an army.

I don't care which, if they were government or private, like private security. They had enough militia to take care of that place. Very well. Yeah. But yeah, we never went back.

And there's nothing on the front of the building that says what it is. Like, there's no identification marks and stuff like that. It's basically a big gray building. with a lot of different rooms that doesn't say anything with a bunch of gates on the front end

because we did like a week later I think we drove past the front because we had other sites in the area we had to do we stayed out of that area for like a week but we had to eventually go back and work because we literally had sites all around that place

and then we could start seeing like you could barely see chunks of the tube and it's massive I mean it's a small one it's not like the one that wears in Europe or something like under Switzerland and part of France but it's, you know, this is probably a half mile wide.

Okay. And I think it's scrubbed on Google. We tried to look it up on Google and there's no picture of it. But that was years ago. I haven't looked recently. It's interesting. So they tried keeping the whole thing secret. Yeah.

They're not advertising nothing. Yeah. I mean, like we're about 30 minutes from a hydrant collider with Oakridge. And that's something that's known, you know? Like, you can go to their website. You can look at who the scientists are that we're. work there and all that. So the fact that they keep it secret is... I think partially some of the secret may come from the area it's in and I won't...

I don't ever tell anybody where it is on anything recorded just because I don't want to come back on me. Yeah. But the area is higher end. So I feel like if the neighborhood knew, there would be an uproar. I got you. And there's enough money to make a stink about it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we don't have anybody. So if they built next to us, what are we going to do? Yeah. They have enough money to raise a lot of concern. Wow. Okay.

That's crazy. How many hedron colliders do you think are in this country? I have... This country. I have no idea. Because, I mean, you have... So we have here at Oak Ridge, publicized. You have one in Illinois there that seems pretty secret.

So I wonder how many more secret ones there are. I know the problem with building. The big ones is you need a lot of flat area because you can't have... have a lot of change in basically, you know, in height because it messes up the experiments. So out west would be a really good area to start building them. You got the big, nice flat plateaus and stuff like that, solid rock. It's, it's always was weird to me. There was one in Illinois because there's probably they built it right there because

that was the only spot they could find in that, you know, general area to put one. Yeah. Because they're very, very specifically built machines. I don't know a lot about it. I'm like, guys, I did Fish and Salam. Andrews. But it was one of the scariest experiences of my life.

Yeah. I can imagine. I can imagine that would be terrifying, especially as a 20, 21, 22 year old guy. I remember in my early 20s, I was like 21 years old and I was a parking enforcement officer in Reading, Pennsylvania. And oh my gosh.

Talk about a wake-up call. You know? Like, that job, I did it for a year. That job is what made me start driving truck. I was like, I'm out of here because my life was in danger every day. I mean, I'm just riding parking tickets and the people want to shoot me. I'm just like, what the heck, you know?

It's just a culture thing. But going back to that age, like, I was like early 20s, I didn't know how to react to a full grown person threatening my life over a parking ticket. So being your age, having like an army of guys coming, who are you in it? And it's like, oh, God, just want to go home now. Yeah, they were not asking any questions politely. Yeah, that makes sense. Wow. Okay.

So you have these Bigfoot experiences where I have on my notes here, Bigfoot harassed family for two years. Now, is this something that was on your property as a family property? All right. So with that, how old were you when you came to the realization that, Bigfoot was harassing you on the family property. Was it the siting itself that kind of cemented it for you or what? That is what told us it was a big foot. We thought it was a man before that. We were 100% convinced it was a guy. Like I said earlier, we live right next to a college town. College kids are awful. I mean, I was one, but they are awful.

So, you know, they torture people in our area all the time, especially our college, because it's a really rich college and we're a very not rich town. Gotcha. So it's just like they, yeah, but it was over two years. I was 16 and 17. I only remember that. So I believe it was, if I get any of the numbers wrong, I'm sorry, anybody.

I believe it was 2010, 2011, or the two years it happened. So it was only from like May to October. So, you know, just summer. We had a very large farm. I have three siblings and two adopted siblings.

So we are a very big family. We had a very large farm, horses, rabbits, you know, chickens, ducks. I showed professional poultry, which sounds really funny. I had some chickens that were $6, $7, $800 a bird. Are you serious? Yeah.

Wow. And I also had normal chickens. I had the $2 chickens. But, you know, we showed higher-end poultry. And we showed horses, too. So our property is shared on one of the largest woods in Hardin County, Ohio. Hardin County, Northwest Ohio was pretty much corn in little tiny specks of woods. We don't have the great forest of, you know, southeast Ohio or anything like that.

like that. But our family had one of the largest woods. You know, and we shared it with two other families, and they were both older couples, no kids. So, like I said, the first year, a lot of small weird stuff was happening. So we had this giant grain bin that my dad built because we were buying so much animal feed that basically he built it so he could put a whole pallet's worth of each type of food in. So you only had to buy it every two months. And the lid on it was probably 70 or 80 pounds. my littler siblings couldn't open it by their self. My bigger sibling,

I'm the oldest biological kid. I do have an older adopted sister. But, you know, it's hard to open when you're young. It kept getting left open and that's bag of rats, stuff get into it and stuff like that and ruins the horse grain and stuff.

And it was weird it kept getting left open and we were blaming each other. Stuff was getting moved around like buckets and rakes and all kinds of stuff ended up in weird corners of the yard and in the fence and stuff like that.

And it just was stuff where you're getting at each other's throats because life's hard enough why you make it harder on each other you know you're going out of your way it's not just my one of my siblings being lazy or me being lazy to them it's going out of the way

to make stuff you know harder it just doesn't make any you know so that year goes on another thing I kind of forgot is that we worked me and my mom showed horses also so my dad got a stadium light and he put it in the yard

so we could work the horses at night so they don't overheat. So you can still train your horses and stuff like that, but it's not in the heat of the day. Horses overheat the day. Horses overheat very easily. We had horse trails, four wheeler trails in the woods, stuff like that. So this is 2010. I'm just trying to make sure I get the dates right.

That was a 10. I worked at McDonald's. I was a closer. It's 4th of July weekend. I believe it's the third. It's Friday. My family had gone up to Indian Lake, which is probably 30 miles from where we lived.

We had a camper there. They had gone up for the firewomen. at night. They were staying in there. I just get off work at McDonald's. It's 11 o'clock. I've already missed the fireworks. I'm like, I'm not going to drive up tonight. I'm going to go home. I'm going to sleep. And I'll go up in the lake, you know, go up to the lake in the morning. Our driveway was about half a mile long. You could not see our house on the road. We were so secluded. We loved it, you know, up until certain things happened. But, you know, it's a big long driveway. Our house was shaped like a big you with the kitchen and the living room being even. And they were all

glass and then the rest of the house was behind. So just the big you faced into the woods. I get home. We got three dogs. Sunny is a Labradoodle. He's defended my mom. He actually bit a guy for my mom. Some guy tried to grab my mom. And he's not, he was that dog.

We used to kill coyotes and stuff like that. He's not, he's not shy. And we had Bailey, which is a big old mutts, about 40 pound dog. And we had Clarice, which is like a nine pound dog. She's still alive. She's almost 19.

Jeez. Hope when we go home, that she's still alive. So I come in the kitchen to let the dogs out. Because they all went up to the lake probably 5 o'clock. It's 11.30 at this point.

And they won't come out. And they won't even come to the kitchen. They won't come out of the doorway. I'm like, oh, that's kind of weird. But whatever, you know, I don't really think much of it. I'm just figuring they just don't want to go. So as I start walking through the house,

the dogs are following me. They're like standing on top of me. and then I lay on the couch and Bailey and Clarice the two lower dogs get on me, which is an odd but then the weird thing is Sunny tries to get on top of me and that he's never

he doesn't do that. He's a 140 pound dog he doesn't, you know, he's not a lap dog he knows he's not a lap dog. So I'm like, no, I pushed him off and he laid like right next to me on the couch. So the living room in is all glass and you see the woods

and I'm watching TV way off and the other side of the woods I hear boom, boom, boom. Fourth of July weekend. Somebody has family over their lightened off fireworks. So you say boom, like, like, it sounded like a thunderous boom,

or was it like a wood knock or? Wood knock, hammer strike, or small fireworks. Okay. Nothing, not like shaking the house or nothing. It's way off too. Okay. About another 10, 15 minutes past, boom, boom, boom.

Another 10 or 15 minutes past, boom, boom, boom. It's slowly getting closer. still not. I'm figuring somebody has grandkids over, one of the other neighbors, and they're just playing in the woods and stuff. It's not on our property, so it doesn't matter to me.

But then I start thinking maybe it's Nick. My best friend lives just down the road a little bit. He would go in that woods and do stuff. So I call him. And he's like, no, we're actually in Pennsylvania tonight for a family reunion thing. Like, okay,

well, somebody's in the woods. Just tell your dad and stuff like that. So, you know, somebody's out there for tomorrow. He's like, okay. Hang up. And so it's in the boom, boom, boom, it's getting closer, closer. Now it sounds like somebody's hitting a tree with a hammer. And then it stops for a little bit.

And then probably another, it's like 10, 15 minutes. Boom, boom, boom, on the side of the barn. The horses kicked down. They just start winning and they're going nuts in the pasture. I can hear just the horse is freaking out. I am frozen. And the dogs are just not doing anything. Sonny is not barking.

He is just frozen and he's whimpering and he's like just laying on me. and it's freaking me out more than anything else. It's sunny. Because he would, literally, he'd open the door and he'd go after coyote. He'd go after a person. He didn't matter. He's just not doing anything.

Because he's scared, and it's just, that was freaking me out more. And then I'm frozen. There's the gun cases in the next room. I don't want whoever's out there to see me where I am. Like I said, this room is all glass and it faces into the woods.

Whoever's out there, can see where I am. Barnes's probably 100 yards from the front door. And then another 10 minutes goes by. We had a project Porsche that was maybe 30 feet from the front door. It's only 30 feet from me. And I'm just, the dogs are whimpering and I'm just, I'm so frozen. Whatever it is, is just right there.

It knows where I am. It's only 30 feet from me. It's just freaking me out. I'm basically in tears at this point. I'm like crying on the couch. And my aunt and uncle, they were living with us at the time. They come blaring down the driveway, playing music. whatever it is, this takes off.

I come out, I am bawling. I'm 16-year-old and I'm just bawling. They grab me and the dogs. We go stay at my grandma's house for the night. Next morning, Nick, my buddy, his dad was military police, he was SWAT, there's all this stuff. And he comes out, and he wants to think he just,

my dad's 100% convinced it was a man at this point. So he's coming out, they're looking for evidence. And he's, and he found where he hit the barn. And he found where he hit the porch. He's like, it had to be a guy with a sledgehammer, and he hit it four times. And I'm like, no, he only hit three times. Like, I was there.

It was every time, it was only three times. And he's like, no, he hit four times. And I'm like, why do you think he hit four times? Because there's four marks in the barn lying in each other. About eight foot off the ground. And it had to be a sledgehammer because to hit that high, you'd need a longer shaft hammer. The porch had the same thing.

Four marks. But later on, it looks like knuckle marks. It's like four indents that are separately apart but in a line or rough line, you know. And so that was the big one of the 2010. And we still had the stuff getting moved. We had all kinds of weird stuff happening. Then late September or October hits stops. It goes away.

Next year in May, it starts back up again. But it is way more dramatic. The piles of stuff. So now it's stacking stuff in our. yard in the corners of our fence. They had like car hoods, piles of two by fours, buckets, hay bales. These things would just show up on your property? Yeah. Like car hoods? Like our stuff. It's our stuff being moved around our property. Gotcha. Okay. So we're about to kill each other. As half my siblings are blaming each other for this stuff. And then my dad's convinced it's a man coming on our property. And, you know, we're all freaked out. We won't go out at night and stuff like that. And some of these stacks were just huge and stuck in corners. The fends and stuff, they were inside the pasture, outside the pasture. and it just saw all this stuff. And then my expensive chickens were in a very high-end chicken coop.

Basically, only me or you could get into it. You have to be a person that get into it. And the fence is electrified. That way to keep foxes and stuff from raccoons, especially open fencing up. So if it's electrified, they normally don't. But I start having those chickens disappear. That's a financial problem. Because it's not a $3 or $4 bird every time, you know,

It's, you know, five, six hundred bucks every time one of those is just gone. And then its breeding potential is gone, too. So we go out to the Amish country, when you can buy a red healer dog. I don't know if you've ever experienced them. They are monsters. And this dog had been trained for farm life. It was supposed to be on the farm. It stayed on the farm.

It was supposed to be on the farm. It died. She would patrol the, like, all night. She slept all day. All night she would patrol the woodline and kill and eat pretty much anything. She'd killed. At that point, one day she'd come up to the house, covered in blood. and we couldn't find a scratch on her.

The next morning went out and there's three dead coyotes. This dog was just a monster. Red Healer. Yeah. I had two of them show up in my house this past summer. So I didn't understand why they were howling at night. That's why. Oh, yeah.

They're awake at night. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, they're nocturnal, basically. Gotcha. Because that's the one they work. Gotcha. And they wouldn't mess with the chickens.

And it's weird to see a dog that you just see, you know, kill a, a fox or a coyote, lay right next to a chicken and not do anything. Because it knows it was bred and trained for one job is to protect every animal on this farm. And once it learned that line, or Lucy wouldn't let anybody cross it. So what started happening, though, is she'd tree stuff on that line. If animals didn't run back into the woods, they run up a tree right there, she'd stand there and bark all night until she went horse. So we had to start knocking stuff out of trees for her.

And everything from like possins, raccoons, you know, raccoons, You know, raccoon's the big one. And so that way she could kill it. If she didn't kill it, she wouldn't stop. So one night, me and Luke, Lucy's barking at something, just going absolutely nuts. And we're like, okay, you know, it's a raccoon. We're just good. I think it's literally a baseball bat and a golf club out of the garage.

And we're like, we're just going to knock the raccoon out of the tree. And that, you know, that'll be it. We get, we see where Lucy's standing. She's standing in front of one of those four-wheeler trails. So there's no trees there. And she's just barking like a madman. And we're like, that's. that's kind of weird.

So we start walking down. And we both see it at the same time, but I say Luke stopped. And he already had stopped. He's just giant green eyes. We're looking down at Lucy. Blinking real slow. Blinking real slow.

On the third blink, it was just staring right at us. And we're shaking up, and I'm just like, Luke, don't turn your back, don't run. And we start walking back. That made it for about 10 feet. And we were,

we come in the house. house we're just bawling. My poor dad is just done. He gets the gun and he goes down there and Lucy's still standing right where she was in front of this hole in the woods. Barking. That's a brave dog. That's a brave dog.

I think she was about two seconds from not being a dog before we came out. Wow. So dad stands right next to her. It's like you son of, you know, come out now. You've scared my kids. You've tortured us for two years. We're done. Coming out now, I'm going to start shooting in the woods.

And he counts three and obviously nobody comes out. So he aims on the top of the trees. Me and Luke are on the front porch outside watching this. He so, he shoots in the top of the trees. It sounds like 10 feet back in the woods, just in the darkness, like a bison is just ripping through the woods. Dad falls backwards, run to the house. And all he would say to me, Luke, and my mom,

all my other siblings were younger. And he's just like, it's not a man, it's not a man, it's not a man. And we didn't talk about it for years. And so I guess we've seen the, the head shape. I didn't see details. We just, because the way the light from the horse light was shining,

it was given that weird effect where you could see the outline of the creature and you see its eyes shine from the light, but it was just hulking. It was about seven and a half foot tall and just thick. And it gives me goose so much still. And it was, we were done.

We actually moved out like three months later for different things happened. I'll tell you about in a second. But, it was there and if I had never had that experience I wouldn't believe in anything shows like finding Bigfoot and Mount monsters for how goofy they can be you know that's what made us realize that other people seen and you know seeing these things experience these things

we didn't really talk about it again ties probably 19 or 20 amongst each other or to other people amongst each other wow because it freaked us all out separately so bad we're very religious people we're all Christian family and we had other stuff happen to and we just chocked up with one of those events. And it just was a different part of our life. That year my mom got cancer

and it just was a long battle. It just, you know, it was just, a lot of stuff happened immediately and we just buried it because it just wasn't the thing in the forefront of our minds. Wow. Well, I want to hear what else happened.

Okay, because like, listen, that story, I don't know, is the other stuff Bigfoot related or is it more? Same property. Right before he moved out. Okay. Not Bigfoot. But not Bigfoot.

Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, I want to hear about this, but, um, man, I'm just thinking like the red healer. What did the red healer see? Because I can't imagine that thing actually seeing what she was barking at and standing that ground. I think she fully seen that big foot. That was messed up in the head.

She was a little loopy. Yeah. Oh gosh. She put a whole bunch of deer in the barn one time because she thought they were goats. My mom opened the door one day and a bunch of deer came out because they got in the pasture.

They'd hop in our fence and eat. So when they got in the pasture, Lucy was like, you guys were supposed to be in the barn. Because they're goats, you know. So she literally wouldn't let him out of the barn all night. The dog was not right. Very good on her job.

And I really think she was about two seconds from not being a dog. Yeah. So he was getting into the barn and eating the horse grain. That was the big thing. thing. I don't know. You've been around, you know what horse, like felt horse grain? I don't think so. It's mostly molasses. It's very sweet. Okay. So if you're an animal,

it's very delicious stuff. Even to us, you know, it's just molasses. It's, you know, brown sugar, basically. Yeah. That's what the main thing was getting, and he's getting chickens. This dog directly stopped his two-year feeding cycle. So he's on year two of doing this. This dog was not letting him in the yard anymore without being detected. Wow. Because the whole time we had it, we didn't have any more structures. We didn't, you know, he didn't have anything weird. I think that night, he was done with it, and he was going to go get his food. And I really think if we'd have been a minute later, I don't think Lucy would have been a dog anymore. Wow. You know, it's interesting you say this stuff because it makes me think back to episode 333, dog versus dog man with Kyle. Kyle tells the

story of this dog man in the woods. He was out hunting raccoons at 15 years old. And he has this dog man, long story short, come in. And his dog, uh, uh, Jake saved his life three times that night. And there were people that were like, man, if dog man is what, you know, he says it is and as big as it is and stuff, a, a, a hunting dog, a, I forget, Christian, do you remember the kind of dog that Jake was? It was some kind of hound. Blue tick? I don't think it was a blue tick.

No, I don't remember. But it was a hound dog. It was a treeed raccoons and something like that. And Jake was known as like the dog, biggest, strongest, best hunting dog, right? But people were like, oh, yeah, right. Like, you know, no dog could stand a chance against a dog, man, let alone three times and then survive. And then here you are talking about how you're. dog was just like, there's this bigfoot that when it would come around that season, it wanted

the food, it would get it. And so you got this red healer. And all of a sudden, that red healer was enough to keep that, that big foot away. And then it takes me back to the whole, uh, the whole thing where people say that, uh, Bigfoot do not like dogs. And, and people venture to, to, to, to guess that there is a conflict between dog meat and dog and bigfoot. But maybe it's big foot and just.

these farm dogs. It was just like, you know, these freaking things. Like, we're trying to be stealth. We're trying to just get our food and get out. Yeah. That's the problem. Yeah. That's interesting.

That's really interesting. Another thing with the Bigfoot thing, like I said, we had people come up and share their stories with us. The guy that came on our show, his name's Greg on his episode, I can't remember. Basically, he's seen that a big foot. There's about seven and a half feet tall, the same year, two miles from my house. Wow. And I know that's a long story.

It's his own story, but it's a long story short. but basically he thought it was a cow in the ditch. Yeah. And so they started slowing down because there was cows out that day, which happens a lot in our part of Ohio. Yeah, sure. So you just, you know, there's a cow out. And they started slowing down and they were going to help.

Greg was going to get out and help get the cow back in. And then it stood up. And it was this, he, what would he describe the teeth and everything as? The teeth? Remember he said it looked like chicklets? Oh, yeah, yeah. He's seen it. And he just.

That's almost comical. Almost like, yeah, he had up close, like, within touching distance. Greg is a mountain of a man. Yeah. Wow. And he was just... He was that close to it. Yeah.

Three feet. Wow. Wow. He was still in his vehicle. Right. And this thing he said stood up out of the field and just took three huge steps was already on the road and then passed the road. And he counted these steps.

Wow. And as he's still creeping up on it. So it just passes his car and he creeps by it and he could reach out from his window and touch it. But that's when he saw probably the most detailed account I've ever heard. heard anyone tell of a Bigfoot story. So he tells us

this and we're like what year was he's like, he's like 2011 and it's literally the next county wrote over. And I really

think it was, I think for specifically Northwest Ohio and the old Midwest, the top of the Midwest, there's not a lot of long term

shelter or food. There's seasonal abundance. I think our group is very migratory because they don't they lose cover.

So I think they just, they move through the area. I think I called him, like we call him Harry, we called him Jr. Later on, I think he was a juvenile male. Because if you look at all the famous Bigfoot encounters,

they're almost always seven and a half to eight feet tall. And that's what we kind of think, speculatively, that those are our juvenile males, these big hulking ones that get pushed away from mom and dad. Yeah. I think he got an easy food source because there's other farms in that woods. And I think he stopped migrating. He spent all summer with, you know, in that area

because he didn't have to do anything. Jackpot. until I think dad shot at him quote and quote you know he shot up in the trees but as far as he knew he shot at him so probably his you know they're called you know humans are bad and dangerous he's looking at us two little kids you know I'm 17 but you know he's looking at two little kids like these things aren't dangerous yeah and then boom oh does everything stop for the big foot after that it was done yeah wow should shot sooner we thought it was a man yeah and dad had seen it oh so my uncle Rob would listen to like radios and stuff

halfway down our driveway because he's the only one that likes sports in our whole family as you tell from our conversation earlier. So we don't make, we don't pick on for like listening to baseball on the radio. Like you're not even watching. You're like, you know,

it's just because we're not sports people. Yeah. So he'd go listen to it in his car. He did that until one night, something ran by and slapped the trunk of his car and kept running. He never seen it.

The whole car bounced. Woo! And he took off and he didn't come home on night. Wow. We didn't know what happened. Wow. And he didn't tell me that until years later. He didn't tell anybody that.

He just said he went to the bar. And then we started talking about it. He's like, well, this is what happened to me. And, you know, we'd seen stuff in the corn and stuff like that. We thought were people. Yeah. And I think it was him getting Boulder in Boulder, Boulder, Boulder. So the neighbor earlier in the story, how they were out of town when you first started having that experience,

did they ever say they saw anything, had any experiences? No, so, no, and they wouldn't even if they did. I know that family very well, and if they had anything, it will die with them. Really? Yeah. Okay. They're very private people. Yeah.

So what drove you off this property? So, like, here's the thing. I mean, at what point during the Bigfoot extravaganza, did you come to the realization that was Bigfoot? That night that your dad shot or what? Years later. Okay, gotcha. So whatever was going on, because I think you said it was only months later until you left.

At the end of that year. Okay, so. This is mid-summer, and it was probably November when we were left. Okay, so months later, you leave. But that whole thing wasn't enough to drive you away. So I'm interested to hear what drove you guys away. Why we left the farm is, like I said, my mom got cancer. My mom was the big driving force behind the farm.

Yeah. My dad worked very hard, still works very hard. So we just couldn't do it anymore. We bought my grandparents' house at that time because they just didn't need it. You know, they went to a smaller place. We went into town. That is why we left. Okay.

Just because it's just farm, we had a massive farm with a lot of animals. You know, we had four horses. I had like 400 birds. My mom collected goats. Every auction she'd ever go to, did you come home with a goat. That's just my mom. That's like some mom's coming home with purses. My mom comes home with goats.

Every action, my dad is like, she's coming home with a goat. I know it. The bed of the truck. I just, man, I budget for this, son. I budget for this. And if you're wise,

you'll learn from me, you'll budget for these things too. She bred goats to buy more goats. Oh, man. But we also had stuff going on at the house. So the house we got is partially brand new. We build it. And it's partially,

you know, extremely old. We moved it from around the woods. It was the same woods. We picked up a house, moved it, connected it to a new foundation, that kind of deal. The guy we got it off, sold us for a dollar, just because he legally had to sell it. He sold the property for a dollar. The house. He wanted to turn it to farmland.

Gotcha. So it was one of his, like, aunts that hadn't been lived in it for like 30 years. So he just wanted to plow it under because he was a big farmer. Gotcha. And he just wanted the land. So he wanted the house off there. So Dad's like, well, I'll pay to move it if you give it to us, you know. Yeah. So he did. Weird thing is when we start working on this house, this is way before we, you know,

years, years and years before, I think I was nine, let's say roughly, I don't know. There's no poop in this house, like mouse poop, no raccoon poop. It's been empty for 30 years and it looks clean. Well, we start knocking out walls because, you know, we're not taking the whole thing. You got to, you know, we're just taking a chunk of it, basically. The walls are full of snake skins. Shaded snake skins And I was always wanting to be

You know A biologist Herpetologist was the one I was really excited to be So I'm nine or something Tell my dad Oh this is timber back rattler Dad is like it is not a timber rack rattler You know we don't

We don't have those And that part of Ohio They've been extirpated to that point For like 150 years So just any Extripated just means locally extinct Uh So I know

I always do it for our show at home Just because people will be like Well what's that word made? You're being me right now. So he took it. We actually have a biology department in our college, and there's actually a herpetologist there, and he took it there,

and she's like, yeah, it's a Diamondback Riler skin. And so he wasn't excited about that. But he told me I was right, so my dad was always really good about that kind of stuff. And we're just like, okay, the house is very old.

Obviously, hundreds of snakeskins at this point. You know, it's died a long time ago. The day we lift the house off the foundation, a big guy goes down there to finish, making sure it's all cut, nothing's hanging on the house still. And there's this giant snake laying there. Just basking.

He takes off. I'm like, I'm like nine, I'm there. And he's fighting with the guy. And he's like, you get down there, make sure it's all cut or you're fired.

And he's like, I quit and just leaves. And then like a half hour later, my dad's getting ready to go down. And this big old snake comes out, goes in the woods, never seen again. We move the house

the whole time. we had this house, little weird stuff is happening. You know, random footsteps upstairs. Like literally, I heard footsteps one time. Nick's dad, like I said, you know, SWAT, military police. I call him, could tell me if somebody upstairs, I'm too scared to move. Because nobody's home. It's just me.

And I literally heard walk, walk, walk, walk, walk. And he comes in, he's like, go sit in my car. I'll come out in a minute. And he wasn't there for probably like half hour. He did a full sweep of the house. Every nook and cranny, couldn't find nobody. He was like, I want to take you to your grandmas. And, you know, you're just going to stay there tonight.

And I'm going to go get your dad. And we're going to go through this again. Does nothing ever happen. And we started having more footsteps and stuff. You get, nobody's there. We had people that watch the house and we like, you know, ignore the footsteps. When my mom got sick, stuff started ramping up. My brother, like I said, Luke, his name's Luke.

Hi Luke has muscular dystrophy So at this point he's You know I'm 17 So he's 15 He's had multiple surgeries He's been His legs have been through like the chop shop

He's the toughest kid Toughest man I've ever known He just went through it the whole time Never once complained Never once did nothing So he comes into my room Late one night This is after the Bigfoot stuff ended

And he's like Hey can I sleep in here tonight? And I'm like, no, you can't sleep in my bed? It's like, oh, can I sleep on the floor? And he's not the kid to ask for anybody to anything, let alone, you know, I'm 17, he's 50 to come sleep in my bed because he's scared at night. And I'm like, I guess so.

At the foot of my bed, I kind of forgot. I had Fluffy, my big python. The only snake I ever had, but my mom would take out and feed because it was softy, lizards, fish, all kinds of stuff. and so Luke goes and lays down away from my bed. My room's kind of like L shape, so the bed's on one end of the L,

he's on the other end. I sleep facing towards the wall. Somebody recently told me because I said I was like ready to be killed, I guess. I don't know. It's easy for a serial killer to stab you in the back.

But I sleep face to the wall. And then he gets up and he pokes me in the shoulder. I'm like, Luke quit it. About five minutes past pokes me in the shoulder again. Like Luke's stop. Stop it.

My job, both my parents worked at this point. I had to get everybody ready for school in the morning and get everybody to school. And I'm just like, Luke, yeah, I got to sleep. I have varsity singers in the morning. You know, blah, blah, blah. Pokes me again. I'm like, Luke, seriously, quit it. I'm getting real, real mad at this point.

The last time you ever had your mom pinched your shoulder, like that crab pinch? Yeah. He does that, and it hurts like hell. And I turn around to yell at him. He's asleep on the floor. And this black, black or than black. figure. It's just standing over top of me, leaning over top of me. And it's done. I know it doesn't have eyes or anything, but I can feel it just staring at me. And then it slowly rises up like

it's standing up. And it backs away. It just melts into the corner. It goes downstairs. It looks like it's like walking, or not walking, but going downstairs. I hop up. I'm freaking out. You know, I get Luke, Luke has never told me he won't talk about it. But I think he's seen it before. he came to the room that night I tell dad Dad doesn't even ask a question He's like grab your siblings We're going to your grandmas

Because at this point We're getting ready to move Don't forget the snake though You're fluffy Oh my gosh I forgot I'm sorry So when the thing was Standing there

The snake was going nuts Fluffy the lizards are going nuts The fish are going nuts Fluffy is slamming her head Into the glass so hard She broke every tooth in her head What? She did go to the vet

The snake Because it's dangerous for them to break their teeth because they're like, they're not like us. So this thing is just slamming its head, striking at it. Fluffy's just a mess, blood and everywhere.

And so that did happen. Thank you, Jay. I've forgot that part. So it's, and this is a snake that had no aggression, never bit anybody. I ate only frozen food, like thawled,

so it never killed anything ever. So it was completely undocumented, you know, undocumented behavior owner. So I could tell dad, he gets us up, he never talk about it. Next day we have a lady in our town named Carol Slane,

very religious figure in our church, and our pastor comes out. We all pray over the house. Carol prays, and she's like, Bill, there's evil here. And there's a lot of it. And dad's like, okay. And I was the only kid allowed to be here

because I'm the oldest, you know, oldest of the kids. And she touches one of the spots of the old wall. She's like, Bill, you need to open up this wall right here. And it's like, doesn't question. Goes gets a hammer. opens up this wall, pulls out about a two-foot knife with a smiling serpent for its handle. It's just disgusting.

And she kept praying over the house. Every time she'd touch it, a spot on the wall, they'd find a coin. And I think they were, she does this all day and they didn't get them all removed. I think they were anchors. They did or didn't? Like I said, mom was super sick. So she had non-inoption's lymphoma. anybody that has a family member

dealing with that knows it's like you're basically 50-50 chance it's not a survival it's not a very easily survivable cancer so we just were done we're done you know we have bigger bigger problems

it just it freaks me out still but you have this that knife I just remember it's a snake with a full set of teeth like a human it's a big smile like a cartoon hand carved and so the guy

that bought the house was an a hole. He'd harassed my mom. Basically, the house kept getting destroyed. Like rooms being ripped apart, stuff like that, makeup on the walls and stuff like that. He kept blaming us. And he'd call my mom.

My mom can't even open our eyes from the chemo. And he'd call and he'd be like, keep your kids out of here, blah, blah, blah. We know this is you doing it because you're mad. So he bought the house off you guys and assumed the previous owners of the house were doing the bizarre things in the house. Yes.

Gotcha. Okay, I just want to make sure I was tracking. So, yeah, he just was just, and finally one day he called my mom. He's like, I got him upstairs. I got him trapped. I heard your kids walk and tell me you're there.

Because my mom would never admit to anything because it wasn't us. She's like, tell me you're their kids right now. I'm going to go upstairs and shoot him. And mom's like, nobody we know is in that house. You do whatever you got to do. And he stayed on the phone with. there and he went and did every room. Nobody's there. Mom's like, you'll find anybody? Like, no.

They never talked to us again and you sold it again like three months later. Wow. But another thing I did forget. I ever talk so much. I forgot stuff. We first moved the house. The guy that gave us a house knew nothing to this. I fully believe. His relative came, approached us. Well, before, dad was putting wiring in the attic of the old part of the house we moved. And he reached into a spot. You couldn't see. what's there, but he's reaching into it trying to find the wire

he puts it up through the wall. He finds all these papers and the rituals and occult things and he showed me and Luke and he's like, this is evil and he burned him. Week later, this family member, the guy that gave us the house, is like,

do you guys ever find any old family documents? We're missing some family documents. And dad's like, nope, didn't find nothing. She's like, are you sure? And dad's like, I'm very sure we didn't find anything And then she leaves

And dad's like Remember her Because she is evil Because she I think she was using this house For rituals Without the other guy knowing Because it wasn't hers

But nobody was back there for 30 years It's secluded house It was pristine Like it was being used pretty often Yeah That's a good point Do All right

So With that ritual nature of everything and her come in and ask you, do you think that the act of destroying the papers alerted her that they were destroyed? Because, I mean, it's almost ironic that she would come asking right after you do that. So I don't know.

I try to... My brain works weird, obviously. Yeah. But... I mean, I don't hear that. I know. Different in a sense that, like, you're... I thought you were going with a scientific mind.

Like, you think scientifically... I just think... partially, I think, that she was waiting for the other guy not to be around us, because he was friendly to us. He was helping us. You know, I just think she was waiting for everything to die down before she came looking for things. Because as far as he knew nothing in that house was theirs. Like, everything was cleared out. This house was empty. So, you know. So I kind of just think she was waiting, given time, and then coming to us looking for these things. Do you think the knife was hers then? And she put it in the wall? I think, so I think they were anchor points for that thing we seen that was torture in us. I think it was a guard dog for whatever they were doing in that house.

I think all those little things were just anchors to keep it there. Because when we'd pray and stuff, it would get worse. When we did anything in the house and my mom got sick, it just loved it. Because that's when it got,

most of its power, that's when it got dramatic. That's when it got, you know, and we're just getting ready to move out. So we're constantly, we're tearing stuff apart, we're changing stuff out. and I don't know if it was mad if we were leaving.

I don't know matter of it was we were praying so much because I'm going to be praying constantly. Yeah. And I just don't know it was so agitated with that stuff or if it was worried we were going to take something. I don't know. I know I feel in my heart it was attached to those things. And I just, it was mad at us, obviously.

But then when the new guy came in and he started doing stuff, it was basically just shredding stuff in the house. just like it was monster. So I don't know if we just got out in time or it's, you know, it's apex of its behaviors or what. And I don't know who lives there now.

I pray for them. Because, you know, we told him that stuff and he didn't believe us. Well, the chances are that he has had experiences. It's just whether how he reacts to experiences. Some people, I think,

just ignore the experiences. They sell the house. They engage, combat it on a spiritual level. So I find it interesting that those experiences happen in that house. And all those experiences happen. No, they couldn't have. Those experiences happened before the Bigfoot too, right? Yeah, way before.

Yeah, but it was like constant throughout the entire existence of the house. Yeah, the whole time that old part of the house there, because we still lived in that property before, but we lived in the trailer. And we didn't have anything. happening in the trailer. The house started real, it kind of eased us into it almost, it felt like just little stuff here,

little stuff there, and as time went on, it got more and more pronounced, more and more pronounced to, I think that last year, we didn't care about the footsteps upstairs. Because you know there's nobody up there. I mean, we've done this game a hundred times,

went up and searched the entire upstairs. There's no one up there. My sister's boyfriend, so she, my adopted sister, she's older than me by several years. he was house sitting for us the one time and he heard somebody come in the in the second story

he heard somebody come in the living room and start walking around so he thought it was Sarah his girl you know my daughter's sister so he hides in the closet upstairs and he hears his person walk up the stairs and he hears him walk down the hall and they get right in front of the closet

and he jumps out to go you know boo nobody's there he called my mom and he did not go back because he's like, I just thought it was Sarah. You know, Sarah's supposed to be home 20 minutes, you know? Yeah. And it's just, that house is...

Let me tell you, what you said about that the former owner or that lady showing up asking about the stuff. I, the reason why I asked what I asked is because I, so I had my experience with a Satanus in his home. I told the story years ago. I think it was like episode 30 or 31. And I'm at this guy's house for three hours, and it is some seriously heavy spiritual warfare.

This is before the podcast. I didn't know much about anything. I still don't, but I really didn't know anything. But he asked me to take home some satanic books. I think it was like two or three of them, at least two, but I'm pretty sure it was three. So I took the books out of his house, and I went up throwing him away.

Hindsight, I wish I would have burned him, but I'm throwing away. And I do believe I had demonic oppression at that point in my life. I took, I had a passenger. I had a hitchhiker. And I had seen this guy. This guy, the reason why he invited me to his house

was because him and I had gotten friendly at deliveries and he was sharing me his life story and we got to the more current time, up-to-date timeline. I asked him what the next chapter of his life story is because we were talking about how his life could be a movie. I mean, it was just traumatic. And I was like this.

Like, I couldn't wait to go in there to do a delivery just to hear where we, where are we going next, you know? It was like waiting for the next episode of a show to pop out, you know? And so we get to the end point and I'm like, what happens next? And he's like, I don't know, I'm probably going to blow my brains out. And well, you guys, last night we were hanging out and stuff. You guys kind of saw how I get sometimes on the spiritual stuff.

Like I kind of get evangelistic-y. You know, I don't know if that's a word, evangelistic-y. It works. But, you know, it's just certain things trigger me. And that triggered me. And I kind of told him, I was like, dude, you don't want to do that. God's got plans for your life. And when I'd said that, his whole mood changed.

and he kind of looked me, and he started asking me questions like, he never heard of God. And I was like, like, how is that even possible? But okay, you know, and he invites me to his house to talk more about this God stuff. I'm just like, yeah, I can do that. So that's why I went to his house. And it turns out he lured me to his house and he was a Satanist. And he spent three hours putting me through hell.

And after that whole ordeal was over, it wasn't until about a year later. Because, I mean, during that, again, And mind you, back then, this is before the podcast, this is a totally different Tony. Like, that was the first time I was ever introduced to satanic anything in my life ever, you know? So when I was at his house, he pretended to become a Christian with me there. Like he asked me to pray with him and all this stuff. And it's a big long story. But about a year later,

I'm telling this experience because for a year I'm facing this weird feeling. Like I just felt like God wasn't speaking to me anymore. I felt this gap growing. And I felt like I just felt off, you know? And it all kind of started around that time. And so I'm telling my friend on my lunch break, I'm in my truck and I'm eating lunch and talking about this whole experience. and it just like it all clicked in my head at that moment

because of that point I was like he accepted Christ but he never showed at the church and like I just don't understand what that whole thing was about and then it just all clicked my head I was like hold on a second he he tricked me like it just clicked like I was like why would somebody want to trick me right I was like he tricked me and he lured me to his house

and he was he was trying to do some kind of weird crazy stuff to me and later on doing the podcast talking with people I've come to understand that the three hugs he gave me, he was trying to transfer demonic entities to me, and I think they sunk their teeth in me pretty hard that day. And when I say all that, I get the background for new listeners, but I say all that because I went through an entire year

where I was still going in to do deliveries there, where he worked, and I would see him. And I'm talking with him, and we've been talking and stuff, and he just kept on kicking the idea of coming out to church, down the road and, oh, you know, and then he's like, I don't know if this is for me and all that stuff. Like, I was like, what do you mean if you don't know if it's for you? Like, you didn't even give it a chance. Like, you know what I mean? And so, but I was trying to be graceful and all that. And then a year later, it all clicks on my head. And I'm like, hold on a second. This dude was

nefarious. And it all just started clicking in my head. So at that point, I'm still going in there do these deliveries. From the time that I met him to the time that I made that connection, I've been into that business tons of times and every time he was my receiver. Or if I was picking up freight at the end of the day, he was the one shipping the freight, putting it on my truck. He was the one that did it all, shipping and receiving. I went there tons of times after I connected those dots and not one time was he around. Every time I went into shopping, to do a delivery or to pick up freight, Jay was somewhere else.

And I asked him like, where's Jay at? And they're like, oh, he's around. Where's Jay? Oh, he's down at the other end of the building. And then the last time it was, oh, he transferred. He went into a different department. He's no longer doing it.

And I personally, firmly believe that whatever happened, and I don't understand nuance of everything, and I personally don't really care to understand. But I personally believe that he had, some kind of spiritual connection to me. And when I made that connection, he knew that I knew. And because he had some kind of connection to me,

he also knew, I was pissed. Yeah. I was so angry. Yeah. Every time I went in there, I was like, where's Jay? Where's Jay? Hey, buddy.

You know where Jay's at? Talking real high, trying to keep a cool, you know? Because I was mad. I was really, really mad. And I think he knew that. And I think he was avoiding me. And so I bring that whole thing up because of the way that whole story played out for you. I do wonder if there was some kind of spiritual connection to the things that were in that house.

And she knew they were touched. She knew that they were moved. She knew they were found or destroyed. And she came out at that moment. I don't know. I can believe it either way. I don't know. I look a lot of it like coincidence, but not it.

There's too much stuff that happens in life for it to be coincidence. Yeah. But I can believe it either way. that she either just waited for it to cool down or she was attached to whatever was in that house. I firmly believe that. I still see her.

She's an evil lady. You still see her? Yeah. Where? In our town. Oh, just about. Yeah. And she refuses to die.

How old is she? Old. Really? Probably 1700s. I don't know. No, she is a very elderly lady, but she's like, she's a very weird person

because she pretends like she's very she pretends the old lady bit you know and then you see her do stuff by herself fine when nobody's watched she thinks nobody's watching yeah she definitely she's just not a eat no matter what she's not a nice person

to be around that makes you wonder if like she's like some kind of like hardcore witch that is like a couple hundred years old and she's like oh I'm such an old lady playing it up you know but in reality she's like oh I'm fine dude like I'm good nothing's impossible

drinking that baby blood or something yeah geez wow incredible stuff listen may ask a question the the mushroom UFO stuff

yeah did you cover that on Joel show did we I can't I'm trying to remember because Joel brought it to my attention I don't know I think so talk to Joel like outside of it have you talked about it anywhere yet on our show on your show on your show

shit, yeah. Do you know what episode that is? Yeah, it's not off the time. I know the number, but it's the fungus among us. The fungus among us? Yeah. And you don't know what the episode number is or season? It's season two episode something.

Yeah. It's somewhere in the beginning of season two. We're very young podcast. But we, yeah, and that was our first kind of intro because Justin came up with the idea, like just out of spontaneity. Oh my gosh. And he just starts texting me. I keep screaming in the phone.

They're all mushrooms. First he texts me mushrooms, mushrooms, and I don't know what's going on. I'm at work. And then I get a phone call from him, and he's just saying they're all mushrooms. And I don't know what he's talking about. So he's like, we got to do an episode. I got this. I came across something.

I figured something out. So that's when we came across this. Or we started this idea. You started this idea. I'm very spontaneous with like outburst. So I'm literally sitting at work. Like I said, I work at a hospital now. I'm in a kitchen by myself.

I just cook for the patients. So I don't see anybody like. 90% of my shift. Yeah. So I'm listening to stuff and I'm like, why would they be interested in that? They're all mushroom.

I just started screaming. Yeah. Because I'm by myself. I got headphones in. And it seems like an idea that we keep exploring like further and further. It relates to a lot of stuff. Yeah, just more and more.

It's interesting. So why don't we do this? Because I want people to go listen to it, but I had the sense that it was a big, long thing. And the fact that you spent an entire episode on, I'm looking for it right now. while I'm looking for it, could you give a thousand foot overview of this, like,

let's just call it a theory of what you have? And then I'll try to find it here. And if I can't find it here, just to let the audience know, just look in the show notes because by the time this thing airs, I will have found it and I'll put in the show notes and you can click on the link and it'll redirect you. Yeah. So basically the overview of it is we started looking in the upper atmospheric. I believe a lot of, not a lot of UFOs, but a chunk of UFOs or actually organic creatures. that we are seeing bioluminescence is very crazy in the open ocean. There's things called cone jellies and stuff that they look robotic. They do not look organic.

People, all the time, I'm sure you've seen the video, somebody's like, look at this UFO in the bottom of the ocean. It's that black sphere that has a flashing lights on it. That's a jellyfish. Okay. So that's how robotic and non-organic, an organic creature can look. The big premise is, is in 2019 NASA did a study with things, Hester dandy like things.

I used to build these things called Hesterendis for work. They're like bug in bacteria hotels. You build them, they have food in them. Basically, so you can collect every species in that area, like a sit-it-and-forget-it trap. They think of it kind of like a mouse trap.

And they put them in the upper atmosphere, expecting, so specifically, we live in the troposphere, and these were in the stratosphere. So above commercial flights, anything like that. They were expecting to maybe find 14 species of life at all. and that's life.

Bacteria, pretty much is all they're expecting to find. They found over 4,000, and they found every major biological clade of life that doesn't have a spine. So plants, animal, or, you know, plants, primitive animals, bacteria, viral, fungi, are all up there.

We actually just found a jellyfish cousin up there that's multicellular. So we started with the idea of these giant manor-ray like UFO being seen are the open ocean whales. So the upper atmospheric right now is mimicking an open ocean environment. You have these platonic-like life, thousands of species, very thick life, and it's open. So the only thing we're missing are the sharks and the whales.

And I think that's what we're seeing. Some of the UFOs we're seeing are organic creatures. The fungi angle comes from the 1960s and 70s when the men in black were asking a lot of UFO abductees questions. the weird one that stuck out is they keep asking why did you have any nitrates in the car? Why have what?

Nitrates. Nitrates. So Barney Hill, specifically, I used him as an example. They asked him, did you have any nitrates in the car? And, you know, Barney Hill was a postmaster.

It's like, well, what the hell's a nitrate? You know, I don't see it, you know, and he's like, that man in black was like, you know, fertilizer, hot dogs, stuff like that. And he's like, well, I did it.

I had 400 pounds of fertilizer in the trunk. He's like, I don't, you know, it was kind of a weird thing because he didn't really remember why he had 400 pounds of a fire laser truck. He's like, well, is it still there? Well, no, it's not. And then the men of the bike stopped that line of questioning. Move it on to other stuff with the abduction.

That happened several times. The one guy literally had a hot dog truck emptied of hot dogs in his abduction scenario. So Betty and Barney Hill, when they are abducted, they've seen a similar craft with similar entities, vastly different experiences. Betty got shown the cabin, got shown the maps, you know, got handed a book, had a really pleasant time.

Barney was borderline tortured, you know, physically and mentally. Because they, if they are organic, and I think in the fungi family, that the psilocybin and stuff like that, they can leak psilocybin in their spores, they can leak psilocybin just being around them. Some mushrooms even just gassed it off as a defense mechanism.

So when you have silicaibic experience, a lot of times it's your mindset is heavily determined on it. Betty went in, she loved UFOs. Her and her sister were obsessed with him. She went in and had a positive experience because she had the positive energy. Barney was a black man at a time

where black people were not allowed to be anything. He was a postmaster in his town and people hated him for it. He lived a very scared, tortured life. So he already had that feeling of people hunting him, people hurting him. So they both went into this experience, seen the same craft,

the same beings, vastly different things happened. So the working thought with the fungi thing and fungus coming many shape, sizes, varieties. It's not just mushrooms. That's kind of the joke we always say is they're mushrooms, but they're slime molds. We'll talk about Bob in a second.

Bob? Yeah, you'll love Bob. Okay. So it seems, especially in the 60s and 70s, the U.S. government specifically knew that something was targeting these people for abduction that had a lot of nitrates on them. So fungi love nitrates.

If you're an upper atmospheric creature, you don't want to take on a lot of food weight because it's harder to fly, it's harder to maintain buoyancy. So nitrates are concentrated food. So 400 pounds of fertilizers like eating 4,000 pounds of other food. It's like eating protein bars

versus eating the chicken that's worth it. It's a lot less weight for the same nutritional value. So how are they consent? that there's a, like I said, we go into it a lot, but it kept happening. And then a lot of these UFOs seem to be organic in nature. The way they swim through like the air, they play with our jets and stuff like that. Like the Tic Tac, that thing was, it literally reminds me the second I seen it of a dolphin playing with a steamboat.

The Tick-Tac does? Yeah, because it's so much faster and smoother and elegant. So it's like playing. I see what you're saying. Yeah. And this jet is slow and, you know, thuggish compared to it. First, like, okay, and then when I get bored, I'm gone. But the U.S. government, the nitrate thing is just so weird.

And there are mushrooms, a lot of species, a lot of fungi, love radiation. What are UFOs? A lot of UFOs are seen around nuclear warheads. They're seen around power plants. They're seeing them going through how we did a whole episode and then going through waste fields, you know, dumps, eating the nitrate rich water, basically. And there's a, we did a whole episode. talking about that, that these UFOs were

obsessed with junkyards in these dumps. And why are they obsessed with that? It's our garbage. You know, they can find better stuff other places. If it's feeding, it's just easy food. It's melted. It's predigested. So you can take a whole bunch up without weighing yourself down.

Wow. Wow, dude. See how his brain works? Far out. That's amazing. All right. So I did find the episode you aired on August 22nd. It's called Living UFOs, The Fungus Among Us,

Season 2, Episode 13. So people listening, a lot of people listen on either Android's or Apple. So go to your app store. This is Cryptos of the Corn podcast. That's Cryptids of the Corn podcast. Living UFOs, The Fungus Among Us,

Season 2, episode 13. It's an hour and 10 minutes long, and he goes into great depths about it. And listen, what I find interesting is that you, for my dumb trucker podcast mind, you're a scientist, dude, and you're dabbling in these fields and you take it serious.

You're 27 years old and you talk very intelligently. You know what you're talking about. And I just, I, listen, I really think, like, I've been talking about this recently, on my podcast and just other podcasters, we all have our own niches, you know. Mine is, I hate to say this way because there's another podcast out there, but mine is Campfire Stories.

You know what I mean? Like we sit around, we share stories and it's, you know, I always say that my goal with my show is to either entertain you, inspire you or educate you. If I hit on all three, it's like a grand slam episode. Nobody's going to touch it kind of thing, you know? But if I can hit on at least one of those three things, I feel good about what I'm doing, right?

But that's what I do with my show. And you, being this scientific mind, you bring a whole different element into it. You know what I mean? Like, I'm Tony the truck driver who would drive around, listen to these bizarre stories, and just so happens to be somebody who,

well, I can hold a conversation with pretty much anybody. And so that works out pretty good for podcasting, you know? and just the way my mind is made up, like, I don't really enter into conversations with agendas. And I'm finding out that's actually a pretty rare thing. Like, I don't have an agenda when I go to talk to somebody. I just, let's just talk. See what happens. You know what I mean?

And so with you guys, I think that there's a lot of people that will have enlightening moments listening to your show because of being able to tie in the scientific angle of things with the paranormal in a way that you're never going to get with this show because I don't think that way at all. So I think it's really cool what you guys are doing. Again, for people listening, cryptids of the corn is the podcast. And specifically what we're referring to is living UFOs The Fungus Among Us Season 2, Episode 13. Before we wrap things up, though, you tease me with it. Who's Bob? What is Bob? So Bob is the single largest organism to ever exist.

He lives out in Oregon. So big he has a name. Yeah. Bob has an entire national park or state park on his back. What? Bob is a mushroom. He's one giant mushroom. Hold on a second.

He's one mushroom. He's one mushroom. And he is, if you took all of Bob's matter and put him within like a foot thick, he'd be 2,400 acres. But he's a lot bigger than that because he's, spread out. It's called mycelia networks. Basically, everybody thinks mushrooms, the whole mushrooms, that thing that pops up out of the ground. That's only the breeding body. Most of the mushrooms underground, it looks like wires or cable. That's the actual organism. And then the thing is

basically think of it as fruit. The thing you see above ground is fruit. Okay. And the rest of the tree, if you want to think of a plant, the rest of the trees underground. Bob is a type of honeycomb mushroom. And they're known to forgetting large. There's a couple other organisms or a couple other examples of his species getting pretty big. Bob is monstrous. The only reason they found out about Bob is Bob is integrated into every tree on his back.

He's integrated into insects. He's basically they're controlling stuff to help feed him. He's running an entire ecosystem to feed himself. The reason how they found out about it is they accidentally drilled into Bob and 100 acres of trees died the next day.

What? Because they cut off that section to him. And like, what the hell's happening? They did DNA testing. Like, well, these mushrooms are identical, you know, 200 yards away. And then it's still identical. They're still identical. They mapped them out.

They roughly know his size. He may be even bigger than we imagine. Wow. And he can think faster than any computer. Basically, they don't have electromagnetic impulses like we do, or basically how our nerve system works. They don't have that. They have something different, but it's much more efficient.

We're using them in computer chips now, mushrooms. because they can transfer data a lot quicker. Bob can think, quote, unquote, faster than a blue whale can. So he can transfer. That means nothing to me. How fast is a blue whale, I think? They're mammals.

So just like us. Basically, if you feel pain in your toe, how long does it take your brain to register pain and then you do something about it? A blue whale still has that same reaction time, but just a lot bigger. So it still takes longer to run the nerve system. Something bites it on the tail.

It takes longer for it to get, but this nerve system's still running at the same speed. Makes sense. Bob's, it's not a nerve system. I know it's a little confusing. Bob can do it faster. And we don't understand why. And he's really old.

We think roughly 40,000 years, but he's probably older. 40,000 years? What state? It's either Oregon or Washington. I always... I think it's Oregon. And there's two other honeycombs out there

that are similar to Bob. There's Gerald, I think, is one of them. They all got goofy names. I love it. Wow. So our plan, I think next year we want to go out and like take pictures and walk on like walk on Bob's forest and stuff like that. So because like you, if you didn't know, you wouldn't know Bob is in there.

Bob is the secret ruler of that state park. And you can see his budding bodies like when they, so basically mushrooms use those, or fungi use the mushrooms to spread their spores. Yeah. To reproduce. So that's what you see of Bob. It's called a Mycelia network. It's just like, imagine it all a bunch of whole bunch of cables that are spread out connecting every tree. 95% of trees on this plant,

or plants, 95% of plants on this planet could not complete their life cycle without some kind of fungus at some point. So, fungi have, they're the oldest multicellulared organism that we know about.

They've been around forever. They survived every mass extinction with spades. They just rock it right through it because they don't, they're not animals, they're not plants. They're vastly different.

They're a little mix of both with how they react. So they have had the opportunity to evolve into amazing shapes. They are in both the Arctic and the Antarctic. They're at the bottom of the ocean and they're in the upper atmosphere that we know about. There's not an environment on this planet they haven't conquered. They literally live on the permafrost layer in the Arctic and they live in the ice in the Antarctic. So that's...

Mushrooms. Mushrooms rule the world. They're the Illuminati. They will be here after we're extinct long, long after. Wow. That's incredible. Listen, that is where we cap it. Yep. That is where we cap it. This is Cryptids of the Core podcast. We got Jay and Jason here. Justin. I keep doing it. I'm sorry. Eric did it to you. We'll blame Eric. Did Eric do it to me? Yes. Because he does it to me to pick on me.

Oh, okay. That's probably what it is. No, but I have it on my notes here, Justin and Jay, but I don't have my notes from me. There we go. Justin and Jay. We have Jay and Justin. And I do appreciate you guys coming in. Now, what we're about to do is record an episode that people, by time they hear this, have it already heard. So they're like, oh, yeah, we already knew. Like, oh, that's a good episode. Let me go listen back to that. I encourage you to hit play on that previous episode.

Listen to the archive, guys. But before we get out of here, what would you guys like to promote as far as how can people get a hold of you? Is there a website? Is there social media? What would you guys like to push? Our big ones, we use Facebook and Instagram or our two really big ones.

We give away stuff constantly. So we give away stuff constantly. Both of those, people send us a lot of stuff to give away on the show. So there's always free stuff to be had. And we interact every Tuesday morning at 9 o'clock. On Facebook, we have a live show where people can just pop in, talk to us, and we talk back for an hour and kind of get it's our day going before we record episodes. And it's some of our best ideas because people were so excited to get in that.

But yeah, we're on every podcast platform. We don't have a website yet, hopefully soon. And we do have Patreon. Oh, yeah. Cool. That's Patreon. Patrons, people picked. They pick their own episodes,

and it works out a lot better for us because it's a lot easier. What's the Patreon? What's the website? Crypts of the Corn. It's a... So Patreon.com slash cryptos of the corn? Okay, gotcha. And what do you guys do for the patrons?

Basically, they pick their episodes, whether it's a cryptid or a spiritual thing. Or whatever they want to talk about. We do a game show on there, and they freaking love it. Really? And we don't enjoy. doing it as much as they enjoy listening. But I think that's partially why they keep picking it.

That's cool. That's really cool. Well, this is Cryptism of the Korn, guys. I appreciate you being here, and I highly encourage people to check you guys out. Check out that episode. The Fungus Among Us, right? What was it? What I say was, season two episode 13? Yes.

Yeah. So check that out and then binge on the rest of their archive and per usual with this show. When we promote other podcasters, we encourage you to go to, especially if you're Apple users, go to Apple Podcast, look up their show, give them a five-star rating review, show some love, and then hit play. All right, friends, listen,

until next week, stay safe, take care, and remember, the truth will set you free, but first we'll piss you off. Bye. So if it's a fair, but don't work well, what's the hand one breaking preach? I don't know. Do I lack anything via love?

No, I don't. But we got to be a warrior too, because that's just what warriors do.