The Confessionals - RELOADED | 528: Virginia Mountain Dracula

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

In Episode 528: Virginia Mountain Dracula we are joined by Glen. He emailed the show to tell of a wild encounter he had as a child that involved the seemingly dead body of Dracula in the mountains of Virginia. On the surface with the limited information we had in the email, we thought the story was a little far-fetched. But, there were some things in the email that left us thinking there might be something to the story. As he and I started talking he filled in the gaps of information that he left out of the email which made this scenario all the more plausible in my mind. Mainly, his grandfather was a very powerful warlock practicing a very dark and sinister form of black magick.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZTony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesThe Meadow Project: Stream HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - Agartha (feat. Nergui)YouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

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Let me tell you guys a little background story about Glenn. When he emailed us, it was an email that seemed very far out. Let's just put that way. We get a lot of emails. We've heard a lot of stories of the years. And with his story, I thought it was a little, far out, but it had some interesting details that I just wanted to hear out. I connected with Glenn and it was a remote interview. And when we got on the video conference call, I asked him just as an

icebreaker question. I said, where are you from? And he said, Knoxville. And I said, dude, I'm in the area. Why don't you come by the studio? So he comes over to the studio. And I told him before we hung out, but I said, listen, this story is going to be a good story to tell face to face. Because in the email, he shared details, but not all the details. When he got in here and he started of talking to me, he filled in the gaps of those details and all of a sudden the story you're about to hear today seems very credible. So let's get to Glenn and his experience of traveling up a mountain with him and his siblings coming across a graveyard, finding a body in a grave, a man appearing behind them, disappearing behind them. It was a wild story and the gaps are even

more wild. Let's get to Glenn right now. I've only been on one venture, not to change the subject, but I've only been on one venture in the Smoky Mountains. I'm going to start doing that. Oh, really? The first thing that I saw because I've studied on what to look for, and what I didn't want to do was automatically say, oh, man, you know, make it look like that that's it. You know, go looking for things that was going to be like, you know, just made up, you know what I'm saying? And the stuff that I saw, man, was like completely freaky to where I was like, if I even, if I told you, I don't know if you. I don't know if you have you been up to Abrams Falls yet no I've heard of it though dude so like

if you go the right if you make a left at the fork and you go the regular way that we've always went yeah I've never went the back way um so I took the back road you know along the river and uh I seen this tree that was like laying over and it had been bent and it had another tree laying on top of it pinning it down and so I was like crap this is what these people have been telling you Yeah. So honest to God, God, be my witness. I'm a Christian. I'm not going to promise to God and not tell the truth. So I'm going to tell the truth anyway. But I walked up to where the tree was at. I had my camera with me. And so I'm standing there and I'm just looking around and I look over about 100 yards like up this gorge. And I promise to God, it looked like a bear's face looking at me. And I thought, okay, I'm seeing stuff. Okay, I'm completely freaked out right now. So I'm making myself see stuff. And so I'm standing there. I'm like, okay, I really want to go into the flat mode. Yeah.

But I'm like, that's got to be a bear. And it was just far enough away to where you could just sort of make out that it was like a bear. You know, you see the fur on it and everything. And I'm like, and it was just behind this log when its face was on top of it, just looking at me. And it wasn't moving at all. And I'm like, okay, I'm absolutely seeing things. I'm like freaked out. I've been listening to all these shows.

and, you know, and so I'm standing there. And all of a sudden, I hear this like, I felt it more than anything. It was like this grout. And so I'm looking up the hill. And on the camera, you see? And I thought for maybe it was like a plane, a real low hanging, roaring plane. And all of a sudden, it was like, it just shook me. And I'm like, holy crap.

And I took off down the hill. and I went across the road and across the road and I've been on this little trail before and I walked about I would say 50 yards to 75 yards toward the river and they was this completely round bowling ball looking rock white the only one and it was laying at the foot of a tree and they was all of these pine branches laid out like a bed and they were snapped And I thought, okay. And so I'm looking at the pine branches and I'm thinking, okay, so these are just blowed off a tree.

The closest pine tree that had those branches on it was like 75 yards away. And I'm thinking, okay, maybe the gust of wind blew them all, but are they going to blow it in a complete, and I've got, I videoted it and everything. I'm like, are they going to blow it in a complete beautiful bed, you know, and it looked like the rock may have been, I don't know, some kind of weaponry thing. I don't know, not that these things would need it. But, yeah. So I just freaked out, dude.

I got out there. When did this happen? This happened last year, probably around March. I would say March, April, something like that. And I moved here in April. Yeah, so it was, and I thought, okay, I'm going to go back up there, but I'm taking somebody with me next time. Heck yeah, man.

I'm thinking, I got to get, I'm taking somebody with me that I can outrun. Yeah, absolutely. A one-legged person on a cane or something. I hear you. But yeah, it was the first time I went up to looking for anything. And I've been in the woods all my life. Like in the story that I'm going to tell, you know, until I was 12 years old, I was raised in the Appalachian Mountains, you know, in a coal mining country.

And I hunted, I was hunting by myself from the time I was like seven, you know, taking a single shot 22. And I never, the only thing I had, you know, get on me was like a bobcat or a, you know, a mountain cat, mountain line was tracking me. but that was the only experiences I ever had. That is one of the most terrifying things for me when I go in the woods is I'm more scared of mountain line than Bigfoot. And it's just because, man, there's no doubt in my mind those mountain line are there. And I won't know they're there until they're ready to kill me.

Like Bigfoot, like you'll see the face or you'll see a shadow, you'll hear it, walking, it'll play games to toss little stones at you. Mountline, forget about it. It's a rat. Like, when you know it's there, it's because it's on your neck. Yeah, and the way that I was trained, he was like my granddad. And I was going hunting with him and my best friend. Me and Shannon, we grew up together, you know, until I moved the way. He taught me how to fish, how to hunt and everything, how to track.

And he was like, you know, when you're on these cliff faces, when you're walking and the bottom of them, look up. He said, and keep, you know, you need to look up more and you need to look out because, you know, if they're going to get you, they're going to jump on top of you. So I always try to stay away from those cliff faces just because I would go around them and go on top of them or something. So I never really wanted to take the low ground. And I was taught that from a very young age.

And it was one evening, I was probably three miles back up in a mountain. And I was about, I guess, eight. maybe nine years old. Eight years old. Yeah. I was about eight. And times are different back then. Oh, yeah, for sure.

And I was leaving. It was starting to get dark. And I knew that it was going to be dark before I got off the mountain. So at that time, I had my second gun. My dad, my granddad got me. My real granddad got me a 20 gauge. And so I was like, you know, had it loaded and everything. And I looked.

I thought I heard, you know, you feel something following you. And I thought, man, uh-oh. And so I thought, well, maybe it's Bobcat and everything. And I didn't, I didn't see it at first. And then when I glanced back, I could see in the clearing because there was trees on both sides. And I seen it run from one side to another. And I thought, oh, my gosh, dude, that's like a, that's a mountain line. And we used an outhouse back when I was a kid.

And one actually jumped on top of the outhouse. And you could hear it wagging, it's plapping, it's telling it, screamed like a woman. So it's, you know, I've had different run-ins with those. but I mean it stayed on me and I would just take it I had several shells you know and I'd load the gun up and just fire it behind me just to keep it back off of it and I would just I dodged it that's wise yeah so I just kept on going and that's he always told me if you know if you feel something's going on use your shells to create some you know get it off of you and I made it out of there luckily so yeah I so we are our puppy has been born for about two weeks and

we got about another six weeks before we can pick it up but we have, I have a hunting dog. Well, I guess they're show dogs too, but they're good hunting dogs too, a German short hair pointer. We were getting one of those in a few weeks, and I'm really excited about it, and I'm going to be taking the dog with me when it's older on these films and stuff that I'm doing. I don't know. Do you know much about me? I don't even know. Okay, so before we go any further, we're recording right now,

and I'm just going to keep it rolling, because you see, started talking about big folks, like, I just want to record this. So normally I have more of a formal introduction to the guests, but today we'll just kind of keep it rolling. But I just want to let the people know, your name is Glenn. And you and I just connected on the computer to do an interview. And I said, where are you from? It's a common question I asked people just to kind of break the ice. And you're like, Knoxville. And it's like, shut up. And so I was like, come on over to the studio. And so we're doing it here in person. And your story that you emailed about is a wild story. And so I was like, this is better to do a person anyways.

Yeah. Because, well, I'm not going to spoil it, but it's a wild story. But what was I saying before that? I forget. What were we just talking about? Your dog. Oh, the dogs. Thank you.

See, this goes all over, place my mind. So I have a media company, Merkel Media, and we're doing films, more like we're taking certain episodes right now, at least. It's going to change and evolve over time how we do things. We're going to have more people involved. Eventually, I'm not even going to be in films. I'm hoping. Hopefully, it gets to a point where it's just like we're pumping out content.

People show for the content, not just for me to be on video. But for now, what we're doing is we're taking some of the episodes that I put out where it's just like, whoa, that was a great episode. It would be awesome if we could go there and we're going there. And so we're shooting films and stuff. And I think it would be a great element to have my dog on scene for an extra scent and stuff like that. You know, dogs see things. They smell things. And, you know, that comes from the paranormal side with the big foot stuff and all these other creatures that walk out there to the natural side of things with like bobcats and mountain lions. I just had a bobcat walking up my driveway last week.

And I was just like, look, there's a bobcat. My mom's like, really? I'm like, yeah, it's going up the driveway. And so I just, I love living here. The only thing I don't like about East Tennessee. I don't know if it's like this everywhere or if it's more like an East Tennessee, West North Carolina area thing is, man, I am really sick and tired of smelling skunks. Like,

I was like, so, I mean, we have skunks of Pennsylvania, but like when I tell people that aren't from here, I'm like, no, listen,

like the thing for roadkill here is skunks. Like you are guaranteed to see a skunk as a roadkill somewhere on your commute. Yeah, that should be the skunk. East Tennessee should be, or in Tennessee in general, should be the state animal. It really should be. Because that's all you, you know, I know at work, if I'm working nights, the first thing that

you do is look out the door when you're going out to do a round to check and see if, you know, you got one. Because a lot of it, sometimes you can't smell them, but if you walk up on them. Oh, you'll smell them. Yeah. Yeah. And right now I heard it's mating season. And so, I mean, it's just like, I was driving my son to school yesterday morning.

and we got here into town and I said to him, does this stink in here? And he's like, yeah. And I go, what does it smell like? And he says, skunk? And I was like, all right,

I was just making sure it's not my imagination. It's just like this aura. It's just like you're going through a skunk field or something. I don't know. That's got to be an animal because I don't live by the liberal anymore. Right. We kind of change the scenery. Yeah, I just,

but everything else about this area, I absolutely love. and it's just been an absolute blessing. And it's been a cultural shift in the sense that I grew up in rural Pennsylvania, but for the last, since I was 17 years on 37 now, I've lived in the Philly area. And so living in a more rural area is new again for me, and I had to adjust to it, but it didn't take too long.

The biggest thing I had to get used to was where I lived before, every direction I went, there was at least a gas station within, two to five minutes. Right. Everywhere. Now the closest one in my house is at least 15 minutes away.

Oh yeah. And I'm just like, dang it, but I actually kind of like it too, you know? I got a lot of cows around me, you know, so. But anyways,

Glenn, you contacted the show with a very wild experience. Now, you grew up in Virginia. And I know you kind of popped back and forth to Virginia and spent some time in Florida, I believe,

and then you moved back to Virginia. Okay. So how long have you been living in Tennessee, by the way. I moved to Tennessee when I was 18, almost 19. And so it's been 33 years now. Okay. That's where I mean, me and my wife, we dated for six months. We eloped, ran off to Virginia, got married, moved to Florida, stayed for about, you know, five, six months. Until the parents calm down. That's it. Honestly, until I knew I wasn't going to get shot. This is East Tennessee. And I know how they worked.

Wow. Wow. Yeah. I, well, that's another conversation, probably not for even on the airways. I'll talk to you later. I've learned about some areas here in East Tennessee. That's a no-go zone. So, but, so when you were a kid, though, and I'm glad you actually, I'm glad I hit record when you started talking about your childhood and the, you're talking about hunting and the mountain line because it kind of, what you just did there was draw a picture as to what the world was, what. the culture was, what the environment was that you specifically grew up in. And when you mentioned you lived in an outhouse, or not lived in a house, you had an outhouse where you lived, it kind of draws the picture of how rural your upbringing probably was. Yes. And so when you're telling this story, I hope people can, you know, take that visual and say, okay, he's living rural. And then where he went was probably even further out, you know, to pick the berries and things like that. So when you were a kid, you had a wild experience. You weren't the only one to go through it.

And I'm going to hand it over to you and let you try to start to draw the picture out and tell people what happened. All right. So I was going to read off my thing that I sent you, but I don't need to. Okay. We, my dad, first off, before I tell the story, I want to say this. If there's people out there, and I don't mean to be offensive to people, people's got their own religion, you know, far be it from me to tell them what to do. But if you, for if you have somebody, well, let me say this, if you practice any kind of witchcraft, wicking, white magic, whatever, if you practice these, it's not, this doesn't just affect you.

This becomes what I call a generational curse. what you've done to your bloodline is you basically contaminated it. And this will follow generations of your family until they have enough education to break that curse. Because this stuff is real. This is not something you play with. I know people pulling out Ouija boards. They do all kind of stuff. But this stuff is real.

This is real as real as God because, I mean, he created. the entity that that causes everything, which is the, you know, the devil. But that's just my take on it. I'm telling you this, this. And there's a reason why you say it too. There's a definite reason that I say it. And this all, so we were, like I said, we, I was raised in just a coal mine in town and Oakwood, Virginia. And dad would work in different mines based off of where the work was at. You know, he may go to Joel. Ridge. He may go to different mining towns to work until they had to lay off or go strip mining. And that's what all my uncles did. This particular time, we moved from, and he was a pastor in a church. He pastored the whole time pretty much. I was there when my dad got saved when I was roughly four years old. And so him and my mom, both preachers. We, on this particular trip,

we went to Hayside, Virginia. And we, I mean, I get squirly. That's fine. That's fine. So this was when I was about nine years old. We moved to a little coal mine of town in Hayside, Virginia. My dad was working at a strip mine at that time. And again, that's where all my uncles worked.

And, you know, like I said, he was a pasture and we're out of Wood, Virginia. So while we were over there, there. We were staying in this little, little bitty trailer park. And my mom asked us one morning, she said, I need you guys to go and pick some, you know, blackberries because I want to make some blackberry cobbler and different things. And we thought, you know, it was only sweets we got because we didn't have a lot of money. And we were like, oh, man, that's awesome. So we were all excited about it. It was me. I'm the middle child out of five children. And my aunt was with us, my mom's sister. And she was like, you know, can you guys go up on the mountain and pick up some,

you know, or go find a place that has them? So we went out on the hunt, you know, and we ended up getting to the bottom of this, the bottom of this mountain. And it was, it was nothing but a switchback road going all the way up. I don't know if you know what that is. I don't. But what this, so the mountain is just too steep to go from the bottom. So it's a zigzag. Gotcha.

I call a switchback. I call it zigzag. And so in between this, there's little plots of grass on every single switchback. But we could see the top. all the way up there. And because it hadn't, the foliage wasn't high. So we ended up going, it took about 30 to 40 minutes to climb because it was so high. And it was, you know, my little brother at that time, he was probably four.

My middle sister, I mean, my younger sister was right below me. She was about seven. And then my other sister, she was about 10. And then I had another older sister that was 11. I mean, my parents, it was pretty much in a row. Yeah. And then my, my aunt, she was about 16. Okay.

well, we finally made it to the top. And it was jackpot, man. I mean, we seen these berries. It was like, oh, my gosh, you know, the heavens opened up. So we started picking berries and we separated. So I had my baby sister with me and they all picked somebody and they were all with each other. So one of the first things that I knew that this wasn't right is that feeling that you're being watched. And I've been in the woods before.

I know when something's stalking you, when something's looking at you because previously as we talked about it. Mm-hmm. So I had this, my alert was up. And so my sister was over there. She was probably eating more of the berries and she was, you know, putting them in her bucket. And about three or four feet away from her was this snake that come up as a black snake. And this was the weird, because I've dealt with copperheads, you know, garden snakes, you name it. I've dealt with them. And this snake was weird. It fanned out like a cobra and it was black. and its eyes were shaped born like a human. It wasn't like a snake, you know, but its pupils were reptilian, but its eyes were like big enough to where it would move its eyes around. And I thought, man, that is like something. I've never seen that.

And like I said, I ran into many snakes and mountains. And so it's just looking at my sister. And so I grab a hold of her and pull her back. And as I'm moving her back, That thing, you know, instead of dropping down, it like went up and dove and where it wanted you to see its whole body. And it was like it went forever. I don't know how long it was.

Like it jumped? It didn't like jump, you know how it would just wave and go down. And you can see its whole body. And it was like it went forever. And it would all of a sudden it would come up. Another, you know, we'd go 10, 15 foot and it would come up and it would be looking at us again. And at this point, I'm like freaked out and it done it again. and it was trying to go around us.

And so at that point, I just got her. I grabbed my baby sister, and I ran over and joined the rest to everybody. They were congregated more up on top of the even further out. When I got there, we come up on this graveyard, and it had this iron fence that was built around it. And it was painted like white, but it was chip paint going out of it and everything. And they were looking at something like in tree. And so I got over there and I'm looking at what they're looking at. And it was this glass coffin.

Now, this is where it really gets, the snake thing was weird, but this is when it gets crazy. Inside of that glass coffin was this guy. And he had jet black hair and it was combed all the way back. He had on a cloak and the collar on the cloak was turned up. and inside, and you could see inside the cloak, and it was like this purple color, violet, purple-ish color. Real pretty. And the shirt was like this really frilly shirt, and I think in the letter I said it was like the 1600s, like if you were in the 1600s. And he had his hands on his chest crossed, and his fingernails were black, jet black.

weird and he had rings all on his hands all this jewelry and he had this medallion on his neck and it was hanging right above his hands and in the bottom of the medallion it come around and it literally spelled i know your people are going to be listening to this and i promise to god what i'm telling you is the absolute truth it said dracula on the bottom of it well i'm sitting there there and I got cold chills. I'm like, okay, we need to, we need to get out of here. Because there's stuff in the mountains in the mountains, and I don't know if people may have told you this or they don't, but there's a lot of Celtic magic and all that stuff,

you know, from people that's come across the sea, you know, come across the pond. And I don't think that this was that kind of magic, but this was evil whatever. I mean, you know, who believes in Dracula? You know what I'm saying, vampires. I mean, well, I believe in vampires. Sesame Street, you know,

I believed in, you know, yeah, but in my mind, that was just all until, until that day. And then all of a sudden, I'm trying to get us out of there

because it's like, you know, it's time to flight. And out of nowhere came this, and this is where the story gets even crazier. At a nowhere, this guy shows up

and he's about, I mean, Of course, you know, I'm small, but he's a tallest dude I've ever seen in my life. And so, I mean, he's probably looking at, I don't know, six and a half, seven feet tall. He's just huge. I barely came up to his waist, you know, if that tells you anything. That's how big the guy was. And so, and he had this black dog with him, this Doverman pincher.

And it was a massive Doverman pincher. Like, the dog's back come to him to him. his waist. So it tells you how big the dog was. And it had this mucus that was coming out of its mouth. And at this point, I was probably, again, three to five feet away from it. And I could smell the stuff coming out of the dog's mouth. And it was just, it was like if you threw up. I mean, I hate to be gross, but it was like if you threw up and you're smelling this wretched, you know, vomit. And I'm just like, fro. I'm so petrified.

I'm like, but the first thing that went through my mind was, my gosh, my family's going to, it's going to kill my whole family, you know, because at that point, I had to become the guy because I was the only guy and you just want to, you know, that's the way I was raised, is you got to protect your family. And so, he looked at us, and I looked into his face, and he was wearing this old hat looked like an Indiana. of Jones hat. And I don't know if anybody's ever, you know, you may have listeners that live up in that area. Maybe they've, and one of the reasons I wanted to, to come on and talk about this was to see if anybody else had seen this. That's initially how you reached out to me. You said, have you ever, have you ever had anybody on your show or talked to somebody that has seen this? Yeah. And you didn't say about the Dracula thing, you said about the guy in the woods with the dog. Yeah. And I think I said, it sounds interesting. You want to talk to me about it? Yeah. And so he was

wearing this old tethered, like leather jacket that come down to about his thighs. and he had, I remember what he was wearing and it was brown and he had on this greenish tan, you know, earthy colored khakis on. And he had on, I remember looking, because I don't know why that I was looking at his clothes, but I was so freaked out. I was maybe trying to get my mind onto something else. And I seen the brown like old shoes he was wearing. And so I looked at his face and when I say his eyes were like marbles, black. marbles. No pupils, nothing. It was, I guess it would be all pupil. It was just, it was very glossy and black. And the dog was the same way. The dog had, it was just black, glossy

marbles for eyes. And I remember him asking, you know, basically what are we doing here? And, but when he talked, it wasn't like a single dude talking. It was like when he talked, when he talked, it was like 50 people talking at the same time. Like if you could imagine a legion of voices simultaneously, which completely freaked us out. You know, we were already freaked out enough. And I'm like, hey, we're just up here picking, you know, berries from my mom. We didn't mean to bother anything or mess anything up.

If you, you know, let us leave, you know, we'll go. And so, and at that time, he hunkered over. and he was looking at me in the face, you know, and I'm like, shaking. Yeah. I shake when I think about it, you know, because it was that, you know, that was a long time ago. And so we all just, I just told everybody, you know, go back out the way we came. And I didn't ask, at that point, I didn't ask his permission. I'm just like, we got to get out of here.

And so we started back out the way we came and we got to the top of the switchback road. and out of nowhere he was there again. And so, and he was standing sort of at the entrance of the first where we would go in on the road. I stopped and we were looking at him. My, you know, sisters crying and, you know, my aunt was freaked out. And so he's standing there and he's holding his dog back. And I said, buddy, I said, if you'll let us leave, I said, we will never. ever come back up here again. You know, we, we didn't mean to do anything. We didn't mean to

cause anything. We just up here picking berries again for a mom, if you'll let us go. And about that time, and I guess he just wanted to show, show off or show what this dude turned into this thick, black smoke and his dog. And they went to, they didn't just float to the, they didn't just float to top of the tree. It's like they were, it was controlled. And they shot to the top of this, well, not to the top top of a tree, but up to the like a, a low hanging branch, which would have been about, you know, 35, 40 feet up in there. And then they reformed. And the dog was sitting on the branch. And this dude was standing up there beside the dog and he was holding on to the tree. And we, we were just stunned. We didn't know what to say. We didn't know. I just knew that this was,

we were scared to death. You know, somebody at that point that's like, this is not even human. And before we could really, and we wasn't going to say anything, we wasn't trying to say, we wasn't trying to communicate with each other. We were that scared. Like, we didn't know it was hopeless. Yeah. You're in a bad situation and you got a long way down that hill and you ain't going to make it.

And this dude turned back in the smoke and his dog and they come back down there. And one of the things, and I mentioned it in the thing that I wrote you, and I guess it was trying to, I was keeping my mind occupied on something else because I was so afraid. His hat was still up in the, up in the tree. And he came back down. And he had this, his hair was like white, you know, and it sort of just hanged down. But, I mean, that's just funny that he left his hat up in the tree. And we're like just, and I'm begging at this point. I said, sir, please, you know, let us go.

We'll never be back. And he hunkered over and he looked at me. And I mean, when I say, gazed into my eyes like the back of my head he was looking at. He said, if you ever come up here again, I'll kill you. He said, I'll kill you all. And I was like, my word will never come back up here again. And so I told my sister and everybody, I said, go. I'll stay up here.

you guys go when you guys get to the bottom, I'll head down that way. So I'm staying there with him and that dog, he's just keep holding it back and he's pulling that dog back and he was like, and I didn't know if he would just break his word and go ahead and get me, but it was what it was. And I seen that they got about three quarters away down. I thought, well, that's far enough down. I'm taking off. And so I didn't take just the road.

I mean, I skipped over the middle where the grass was. And I just kept on going down. And every layer that I was going down, he was meeting me at. I would look over to my left, and he was at every single. Just standing there? Just standing there with him and his dog. And at some point, he quit doing it. I don't know how far.

It must have been halfway down, maybe about three-quarter the way down. And then he didn't do it anymore. And then I got down to the bottom of the end of the road, and they were all down there. freaked out, crying and screaming. And I looked back to the main top. We could see all the way, like I said, always at the top. And they were standing at the top of the mountain. Him and his dog were just standing there looking down at us.

And we just went home. We never spoke about that for 37 years. None of us mentioned it ever again because it was so frightening. Not even in the parents. No. Wow. No, we didn't talk about it because we thought if we talked about it, then it would give it this, it would follow us or whatever.

And so we ended up just, you know, just not not speaking about it. And then it was 37 years later, my sister had moved to East Tennessee. She's back in Florida now. And we were sitting around and all of us were finally around each other again because it was, you know, 20, 25 years since we've been around each other, all of us. And we were sitting in a living room and I was like, okay, because I thought, you know, maybe I dreamt this. Maybe this is like a bad, because you want to think you really didn't see that because, we didn't talk about it. We didn't have it in conversation.

So I said, I want to talk about something. And I said, do you guys remember going to, you know, pick berries for mom in Hayside? And they were like up on top of the mountain. And I said, do your mind remember seeing anything crazy? And my sister spoke up. And she goes, you mean the guy that was in that glass coffin? And I'm like, yeah. And I said, what else did you see?

And my brother spoke up. he was young. He said, I remember the big old dude with the dog. And then my sister spoke up and she said that turned into smoke and like went to the top of the tree and we're all sitting around going. And we're all like, I thought I imagined that because we literally didn't speak about it. And I'm like, no, that really happened. We didn't all just have the same dream. We actually seen this. The only person that we did not correlate our story with was my aunt. And were she there? Mm-mm. She was there with us at the time up on top of the mountain. Right, but not on the reflection. No, no. This was just all the five kids together. Okay.

But we all recollected the same exact, you know, story. Maybe one didn't remember the hat or something like that, but you're talking, you know, 37 years later, everybody still sort of piecing together. But it was all insane. And, yeah, that's what happened with that. And the crazy thing was when my baby sister had her daughter, Lord, this would have been in 97, I went to see them. And it always, I never forgot it because it was always in the back of my head what we stuck. So I'm a very, I'm a type of person that I like to investigate stuff. You know, to make sure, was you really, are you really nuts, you know?

So I had one of my best friend that, you know, his dad taught us how to hunt and everything. He, uh, I asked him, I said, Shannon, you want to go over, take a trip over to Hayside with me? And he was like, why do you want to go over there, dude? That's like, you know, 35, 40 minute drive. And I'm like, I got something I want to see. I said, you want to go over there. And he was like, okay, I'll go over there with you. And he had a full-wheel drive and it had the cage on the front, you know.

Mm-hmm. He's a big hunter. still, you know. And so we got over there and we started going up that road. And I told him, I said, stop here. And I said, I want you to make a right right here. And he was like, dude, there's like little trees and stuff that's grown, brush that's grown up there. I said, on the other side of that is a road. And he was like, you are, and he can verify this. I mean, this actually happened. And he said, you're crazy, man. There's nothing on the other side of that. He said, it's little like trees. It's, you know, one, two inch little trees.

and I said, it's not, I said, I'm telling you, there's a road on the other side of this. I said, you know what, forget it. I'll just get out and I'll walk it. He was like, no, no, hold on. So he locked his truck and four-wheel drive and everything. He pointed in there and we drove right through it. And right on the other side, I mean, a foot on the other side was this, but was this, was this road. We got on it, and it was the switch back row.

We went all the way to the top. When we got up there, the graveyard was still there, but nothing. there was no Mark Graves or nothing. Was there Mark Graves before? Yeah, they was like, from what I remember, I seen these little stones. You know, there was about, I don't know, a foot, a foot wide. And they were, I didn't go read them, but you can tell that there was, you know, other people that had been in there, you know. And but the one that I was fixated on is, you know, basically Eddie Munster that was laying in, you know, in a glass coffin.

And he was like, dude, how did you know this place was up here? And so I told him the story. I said, he said, wait a minute. He said, so you promised this thing, you wasn't going to come back up here anymore. And you haul me up here. He said, you pull me into your family's craziness. And I'm like, well, dude, I just wanted to see if it was here. He said, you should have drove over here and done it yourself, man.

He said, now you, I'm in this. So he sort of got a little irate with me. But at least he believed you. Well, he knew my family and stuff. Yeah, he didn't doubt it. So we, yeah, that was a, that was an issue that, that really happened. Wow. So when you went back up there, there was no Mark Graves.

Obviously, you didn't see the guy or even Dracula guy in the coffin. When you looked in that grave as a kid, did it look like a fresh dug grave? It was, it was weird because it was, it looked like the hole wasn't deep enough. So I don't know if there was something that was, you know, holding it up. But it looked like if you threw dirt on it, it wasn't going to cover it up, you know, like, you know, because you need six feet of, you know, drop it down in a hole. But it was almost level. It was almost like level with the ground, if that makes any sense. I don't know if maybe they had it held up or suspended.

I didn't look close enough for that. I was just looking at a human being exposed to. You know, and I've been to funials before because, you know, being a preacher's kid, but this was the weirdest. It was the weirdest thing. I don't know how it was suspended. I just know that you seen more, and you could see the dirt around the sides of it, you know, but that was it. I mean, it, no. So it wasn't like something that was there for years.

No, no, no, no, no. No, this was, I mean, you could tell that this was, we had, this is what I think. I think we walked up on a ritual of some sort. I was just thinking. And maybe instead of Dracula, maybe it was like more of a warlock. And I don't know. You know, that's me speculating. I know what it said.

I know what he looked like. And I know we probably walked in on something that people are not supposed to see. Yeah. And we got a good. But for some reason, we've always seen stuff that you're not supposed. supposed to see, you know, and I go back to the opening statement. This is stuff you don't play with because once it's in your bloodline, you open your family up to, you know, to some crazy stuff, all because people are, you know, they're selfish. You know, they're always the knowledge of

wondering if something's, you know, what else is there? What's the unanswered questions? You know, my granddad was a necromancer so he could summon uh you know demons i mean he was he right out of the book of black magic you know i mean it was he was a he practiced he would practice witchcraft or being a warlock and go preach in churches oh he's a pastor no he was just a preacher that would go and preach in different churches a preacher in holiness churches so that's what I'm saying that he was like proposing as a Christian preacher yeah and he would practice and a witchcraft. And the reason I know, I mean, I heard stories from my mom.

My mom was in a book called The Cry of the Innocence. She was one of the chapters that she was in. And they done a story about her in one of the chapters. It wasn't her book. They just interviewed her. And it was Cry of the Innocence or Cry of the Innocence. It was a book. And she told me about it.

And she would tell about how, and when she told us, I mean, she told us a lot of, a lot of gory stories about her dad. So he was doing it while she was growing up. Oh, he would take her to, he was the kind of guy that would take his kids and, it was how evil he was. He would take his kids and put him in a deep freeze and sat on top of the deep freeze and he'd stack him in there like firewood. He would, I remember one time she told me a story that he had taken. taking her over to this house and he would do these ceremonies with these other guys. And they would, my mom would be the, you know, you're talking about pedophilia. And she would be involved, he would make her involved in all that at four or five years old.

And she told me about a story that she's seen this cat that was starving over at this house that she was made to go to. and she wanted to take care of this cat. And her dad was like, I don't even like calling him my granddad, but her dad was like. In the message you said, my mom's father. Yeah. And that's why.

Yeah. And so she said, can I take this cat home? And he called her some names and said, no, you leave the cat. It was a kitten. So she didn't listen. And she took the kitten and wrapped it up in her shirt because she was going to feed it little bread, a little bit of bread and stuff. And she got it home.

And he heard it. meow in the back seat. So he pulled a car over on the side of the road. And it's come from my mom. And he made her take her shirt off. And he wrapped the cat in the shirt. And he beat the cat to death against a tree and just blood and everything in it. And I know this is, you know, this is the stuff that she had to live through.

And so then he told her, you know, this is your fault. You killed that kitten because you wouldn't listen. and then he made her wear the shirt. But this kind of heinous stuff that he did with, you know, to his children was just, it was it was nonstop. It was until he got so old that they, and they had like 17, 18 kids or something. He married my grandmother when she was, or went with her when he was, she was like 12. And so it was.

Things were different back then. It's good, bad back then, but it's also bad back then. The way women, a lot of the times, were treated, you know, in children and stuff and what people were gotten, you know, what, you get. Now, with social media today, thank goodness, a lot of people get caught doing stuff like that. But, yeah, that's the kind of things. And, you know, I remember when I was like four, she still tried to love her dad. She always wanted her dad to love her. And so I remember that they were having a, you're talking about hogs, they were having a hog killing over in West Virginia.

It's where they, it's where they're from. Well, they have, they're branched out. Part of their family is from Ohio and then the other part is from West Virginia. And so she took, she took me over there with her to, you know, spend time with my cousins and, you know, aunts and uncles and stuff because my dad didn't like them. He didn't like being around him. And, uh, didn't like being around what? Her family. Oh, her family.

Okay. Yeah. And, uh, so we got over there and this was, uh, I don't know, it was night. And I had, they had killed a hog. And I remember, I remember him seeing them put the hog head in the oven. You know, I, I never got into all that. But, um, he had the stairwell that was like a three-story house that I think his dad or somebody had built.

And, um, by trade he was a brick mason but there was this three-story house that we were in and all the kids sort of got trapped in the bottom of the stairs you know like trying to scare us or whatever well i'm a very inquisitive person you know have been since i was super small and um i was four years old maybe five at the time and i looked up and i seen this person sitting up uh on the on the top floor. And I thought, that's one of my uncles, you know. And so I thought, I'm going to go up there with them. And so I got about to the second floor and I looked and there was nothing. It was just a open room with nothing in it. It was just open. And I went on up to the next level. And by the time I got up there, they had let all the other kids out, you know, at the bottom, so I'm in there alone. And when I got to the top, I put my hand on this person's leg on its knee. and to pull myself on, you know, the rest of the way up. And as soon as I touched its knee, it was like if you held an ice globe or, you know, a piece of ice in your hand for like five minutes, you know, this, it just, I'll whip to my elbow.

It just locked up and just hurt. And I pulled my hand off its leg real quick and I got up. So I'm standing beside it. And it was very pale like if somebody had drowned, you know, no skin color, like almost bluish pale. And if you touch it, it was like that kind of cold. It was immediately. And so I'm looking at it. And it had real long black hair, stringy black hair.

And its mouth was like very contorted. It had these jagged teeth that was showing through. The mouth wasn't big enough to hold the teeth in. And it had this nose that was turned up. and it was like slits and it almost looked like a pig, but it wasn't. I mean, it didn't turn up that much, you know. And it had these eyes that were real slanty,

but it didn't have any eyes in it. It was like black. Again, black. You know, I don't know if it was marble black. I was, you know, the moon was shining in from this big window. And I looked out into the room and it was a single table with a burning candle. And it was this, it was a table with just, with a candle on it, burning.

And this thing, it would make these fists. It was squeezing its fist. And you could hear like bones and stuff popping, you know, like, like grinding. And it was doing this growl to where it, you know, like if you're listening to a real low subsonic bass and it, like if you're in your car and, you know, you, you know, and it just rattled your whole chest, like real low. and it made you like queasy almost it. And it was omitting this low growl.

And it just, it literally froze me. And I was like locked on it. And it wasn't moving its head. It was trying to move. But it couldn't. And something in my head said, you need to leave now. Go back downstairs now.

And as I was going down the stairs, It kept telling me, get downstairs. Don't look back. Go downstairs now. And so when I got down to the bottom of the stairs, I kicked, I remember kicking the door because I was, you know, at this point I'm freaked out. Because I heard a voice like somebody talking to me. I seen what I saw. And again, it had that wretched, puky smell to it.

Like it smelled like somebody just threw up, sour. Like the dog? Just like the dog. Wow. And so I got to the bottom. And then all of a sudden my mom's dad, he opens up the door. And he says, he called me a, you know, a B-A-S-T-E-R. He said, watch up you little, you know.

He said, the next time you go up there, he said, I'll let that effing thing eat you. So he didn't even try hiding it, nothing. There was no, none of that. And so I got out of there and he told me, he said, now go in there with your mom. So I walked in her mom. I said, hey, I said, you know, pap balls keeping something. in the top of the top of the house. It's a monster.

And she was like, you need to stay down here with me. And I remember, wow. I remember late that night, it was making this commotion in the top of the house. It was like chains. And I didn't see any chains when I went up there, but you could, it was like somebody slapping chains or something on the, on the, on the, at the top. And it was making this huge commotion.

And it was like this growl and, and he, he hollered out something that wasn't even like, you know, if it would have been English, I would have remembered what he said. But he's, it was almost like, hearing it in my head, it was almost like Latin or something. And he, uh, basically told it to shut up.

And it didn't make a noise after that. So it was insane. I mean, that was my first cousin. I could tell you, oh, sorry about that. But I could tell you story after story about this kind of stuff. But, uh,

that was the, That wasn't my first exposure to it. My first exposure to it when I was about, was probably maybe a year before that. And we were living on top of the hill where my dad's parents were at. And my grandmother at this point had already passed. She died with like a leukemia or a blood disease. And so for you going any further, something I didn't even think about is your grandmother, his wife. she was married to him.

Was she involved in all this stuff? No, no. She was abused just as much as the kids were. Okay. Okay, makes sense. Yeah, she was afraid of him. Yeah, that would be too. But she ended up, she was a, you know, from everything that I knew about her,

she's just a good person in a really, really, really, really atrocious situation. And so I have nothing bad to say, you know, about her. Sure. And don't get me wrong, other than what my mom's dad had said to me, he was never, he never hit me or I was never around him. I only had one confrontation with him when I was about 15. And he was like, come over here and give you a grandpa a hug. And then I can't even tell you what I told him at that point, you know, because I was old enough at that point to where I was like, you know, it was pretty bad what I told him. Yeah, I mean, my grandfather, my mom's dad, if he was.

still alive when I was a young man, I would have beat his facing. Yeah, and that's the first thing that went through my mind. Of course, my cousin, which is he's dead now, my first cousin, you know, he was 15 years old, he was probably 6'4 and he was scared to death of him. Wow. I mean, that's how evil the guy was and the stories that we had heard and, you know, from different family members. So, I mean, it was, it was pretty, it was pretty, it was pretty terrible.

but the first time that I had ever got a glimpse of the supernatural was when I was around four, maybe right before four years old. And my sister, my older sister was about five, six, maybe six years old. And my next to the oldest sister, she would have been a year older. And I was we had a neighborhood girl that was watching us. And we were sitting in the living room. and watching TV because my mom and dad went off shopping, Christmas shopping. And they took my little brother, but my younger sister, my baby sister, she was at my aunt's house.

And I remember all this. I remember where everybody was, you know, even I was very keen-minded, even at a very, very young age. And we were in the living room when we heard this baby crying out of the mom and dad's bedroom. And I'm thinking, what? And I said, is, you know, is my brother, is he here? And they're like, no, they took him with them. And so I'm like, wow. So they're sort of getting, they're like freaked.

So I get up and it was in a trailer. And you have to come out of the living room going into the kitchen, you go into the back bedroom. And you've got this is my mom and dad's master bedroom. And so I went through the kitchen. And as soon as I got into the where the door was where you go in, the baby quit crying. Man. So I thought, okay, maybe, you know, maybe it's a toy. maybe it's something crazy because I, you know, it was, so I walked back into the living room and they're like looking at each other and they're looking at me. They're scared. And I didn't realize it, but my sister had already seen stuff too.

How old were you again? I was probably right around four years old. Okay. And, but you got to think I was four, probably going on 10. I understand. That's how I feel like my son being five year old. Yeah. Because I mean, I was already out playing, running the mountains and everything when I was at age. And so the only thing that I was afraid of back then was rain. That was it. I was scared to death of water. I was really afraid of rain. But as soon as I walked back into the living room, it started crying again. And I was like, what?

So no fear. I walked in through the kitchen into the back bedroom. I walked in. It was still crying. And so it was coming from the closet. And so, you know, the panel closets, you know, in the old trailers. I pulled the open the closet door and it was just clothes hanging. There was nothing in the floor except shoes.

And I was looking around and I was like, it was like, is anybody in here? And all of a sudden it quit crying. And so that sort of got me right there because I was like, whoa, you know, because they didn't have voice activated baby dolls back then, you know. So I walked back in because this was like 1974, 1975. And so I walked back in. And since I got back to the into the living room, they were already like standing in a hallway going to the other end of the trailer.

And that baby started crying again. And they shot to the middle bedroom, all of them congregated in the middle of bedroom. So I thought, what it did, it made me mad because it was like harassing, you know, sort of bullying, picking on us. Yeah. So I'm a little ignorant hillbilly, you know. I run back in there. I swing the door open and I tell it to shut up.

And it shut up. It didn't say nothing else. And it didn't cry after that. But that was my first experience with Supernatural was Ben. Wow. Holy cow, man. Yeah, it was crazy stuff. Yeah.

And so this stuff has kind of, does it plague you today at all? Because I know you said in the beginning, you said you're a Christian. Does that, I don't know at what point in your life you became a Christian, but was there any correlation of ceasing of activity in your life around that or no? After, I mean, I had had supernatural experiences, but not what I would consider, you know, dark. Like I would, you know, when I become a teenager, there was times that my life was saved. there was a time we were pulling out of a me and my best friend he's dead now well i'll give you two different situations that happened um my best friend in florida we would always go out and we'd party and he would be like man as long as i'm with you he said i know nothing ever happened to me

he said because uh because your mom's a woman of god and you're protected well this guy wasn't a christian he didn't go to church, nothing. And the reason he said that was because about a year before that, me and three of my friends were standing in the house, and my mom came up to us and she said, I want you guys to be very careful. I seen and a vision that there was a bad car wreck, and one of you were going to be laying in the bottom at the bottom of a car.

You're going to get ran over. And so my friends were like, yeah, your mom's a little strange. And about a month went by, maybe two months went by. And another really good friend of mine, Eric, he was changing a tire at the end of my road. And a car, it transitions from sand to asphalt. And so the car was speeding on a sandy dirt road in Florida. And it started fish tailing. And when it hit the asphalt, it was trying to correct itself.

Eric was on the back driver's side changing the tire. And the car ran right over top of him. And it had, he had pins in his legs, it liked to kill him. And he was hanging out the bottom of the back of the car, which is exactly what my mom saw. So he was like, oh, my gosh, anytime that your mom says anything anymore, I will be very cautious and stuff. So that, that actually happened. And again, I think that's, God was using, you know, that, what was in my mom that, you know, and still is, to warn it was good. It wasn't, you know, dark magic.

It was, she's a preacher. Well, for sure, yeah. And I think once you're, if this is in your bloodline, and you have somebody like my mom's dad that practiced it and was dark with it, I think that the supernatural you're going to have to deal with at that point, it's going to be either good or it's going to be bad because, I mean, it's, it's part of your DNA at that point, you know. And you, you pray the curse off of you and whatever, whatever you, whatever you're, you have, I believe that God will use it to your good.

Because you've already been subjected to so much stuff anyway, he doesn't have to. Yeah. He's said, you've already, you've, you've been on the ride for a while. And so he, uh, you know, he ended up surviving. And Frankie, uh, he would always tell me, you know, man, you, anything ever happens to you, dude, if I'm with you, nothing's going to happen to us. So I remember he was working at KFC and I got dropped off at where he was at, because we were going to go out partying when he got off work.

We got out into the parking lot. We got in the parking lot. We were rolling one up. And he was like, you know, we're going to go out to, you know, the bluffs. And we got some people out there we want to meet. I'm like, cool, man. So we come out of the parking lot and it was a four-lane highway. So we were going to shoot to the medium and make a left to go in the opposite direction.

Well, we shot in the medium and we were driving this old Ford Carrier truck, you know. And he made a sharp left and the door opened up on my side. side. When it opened up, I went hanging on to anything. I was actually holding a joint rolling one up. Yeah. And my hands wouldn't hold on anything. And I went out the truck. I was about, my knees were probably clearing the threshold of the cab. And there was a semi right behind us. And all of a sudden, I felt this hand. On the, on the lower part of my back, it is his hand and it just put me on, you know, and it pushed me on top of him. And we were in the truck. Yeah. And we were making a turn.

Wow. And it threw me in on top of him. And it slammed the door shut. Now, if the, if you're making a left, the door is not going to slam shut. It's going to open up to the, you know, outside. It slammed the door shut. And he was like, dude. how did you get over here on top of me?

I said, dude, I don't know. Something put his hand on my back. He said, that's exactly why you were here with me all the time. And so it was probably, after I got married, I was gone from Florida probably about three years maybe, maybe four. And he ended up, he ended up, he was buying trailers and starting his own trailer park. And he hit a line, a gas line. and it covered him and set him on fire. And he lived for a couple days, and he ended up passing.

And I thought, you know, and he went to church with us a couple times, you know, and he was very intrigued by it. But I wasn't that kind of guy that was push religion on people, you know, because I wanted to be cool. You know, I was a PK and, you know, everybody knew that. So I was trying to live a different, you know, I was trying to go away from that. Yeah. So the more rebellious. That's why PKs are, there's two reasons.

why PK's getting into a lot of trouble. Number one. PKs are pastor kids, by the way. Anybody listening? Oh, sorry. Yeah. Most of them have a call in their life. And the second thing is, is they want to run away from it.

You know, but the, when I say a call in their life, you know, the dark side, the devil knows what, you know, what, you know, is, you know, if you got a call in your life or not, too. You know, it's, you know, you look at different. One of the biggest things, and I don't mean to talk about abortion, and I, you know, this is, but I think a lot of, I think a lot of major ministers and extraordinary people have been killed because of that, you know, and, you know, they tried to kill Jesus when he was a newborn. They tried to kill Moses when he was a newborn. They're going to get you at the first of it. That's where they want to get you. So you don't complete your task, you know, your fulfillment in life.

And so that's, I think that's always been a thing, I think with my parents' children is you sort of get a bull's eye on you. But, I mean, the only thing I can say is this, that was the first time since I was a child that the supernatural really affected me. and it was in a positive way it saved my life. I have a lot of friends that's gone. And for some reason, I made it out alive. I didn't think I'd ever would because, you know, I've had people, friends of mine that were 14 years old, we'd be getting drunk and they'll dive into a, you know,

a place called a 20-footer in Dade City and with Lucchoochee River and never come back up, you know, car wrecks, getting burn up with gas, you know, a lot of them in prison, you know, and it's just, but God had other plans for me, I guess. And so it's, there's a lot of different times that I've been driving down the road, fall asleep. I drove a truck as well. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

And I was, I was heading over to South Carolina. And I was pulling a dry box as empty. I was going over to pick up some furniture. And I was coming from Delaware. And I was just dead heading it over there. And I fell asleep. And I heard people hollering at me on the radio. I mean, the tractor and trailer was off the emergency lane, tilted sideways, and there was a bridge coming.

And I'm dead asleep. Just gone. When I woke up, my hands were off the steering wheel. I'm sleeping. and I heard people screaming on the radio and I just grabbed a hold of the steering wheel and just pulled it. And it didn't jackknife, it didn't flip,

it popped me right back up on the road probably about 200 feet away from hitting that bridge head on. Wow. And that's happened. If my life would have ended most of the time, it would have been in a car crash. And I've been, that's not, there's several other times I've been saved

from being killed in car. car crashes. It's like that. Going to work one morning, fell asleep, and you've been in Oxfell, Cedar Bluff. They were doing Cedar Bluff. They had the actual Cedar Bluff from the interstate. It was just gone. It was just a big hole because they were going to reform it. So it was like a 30-foot drop off. And they had cones to block it with lights, flashing lights. Well, this was like 3 o'clock in the morning. I was going to work and I fell asleep. And when I woke up, I was probably 100 feet or about 100 to 200 feet from going off of that ravine. And my hands were again in my lap and I was sleeping.

And something was steering the car back out onto the interstate. And I grabbed a hold of the wheel and finished it out and was like, wow, that would have killed me. You know, God's in heaven. And every time he hears you close the car door, he's like, oh, here we go again. Oh, yeah. He's like, hey, Angel, go. Just go follow him. Yeah.

And, you know, I told you about when I went to see my sister have her baby and me and Shannon, that same trip, I was going to get off on the Abington exit. And it had like 36 miles to go before I got to the Abington exit. And I had worked a double because we couldn't. I needed the money. And so I worked a double and I hadn't been asleep. And I remember seeing the last thing, it was like 30-something miles. I woke up on the side of the road, on the side of the interstate, car running, stick shift, hands in my lap.

The car was just sitting there running, 40-something miles past the exit. You have no idea. I drove 70 miles and no recollection of it, nothing. The car was still running. And it was, I woke up and I was like, where am I at? and I ended up driving, it was 40 plus miles past the exit. Unbelievable. Yeah.

Wow. So that's just time after time, man, that if I was going to, if I was going to go, it would have been a car wreck. Yeah. And God just kept his hand on me because he was like, you know, I still got something for you to do. You're not fulfilled your call, so. You know, the life of exciting stories you shared here,

you're probably just going to die a boring death. Well, that's hope. It's going to just be like, oh, yeah, you just went to sleep one night and just wake up. I pray for that. I don't want to have to suffer through cancer. I don't want to have to go through any kind of extraordinary thing. I just want to go in my sleep, nice and peacefully. Yeah.

Pray before you go to bed, make sure you give it that last hurrah. Yeah. Forgive me for all my sins, Lord. Yeah. Please, please, please, please. Let me double up on that. Yeah. Yeah.

Wow. It's a, it's a, it's been a, it's been a trip. Yeah. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the road that, that he's had me on, uh, I witnessed a lot of stuff, you know, and I think there's probably a reason. Uh, there's definitely a reason that I'm still here. I think that, you know, and I don't, I don't definitely want to get off subject or anything, but I, I believe that people that and see what's happening in society today, we are the very people that are going to help people,

to help people sustain, I think, over, I think there's a time coming very shortly that, and I don't know how long it's going to last, but we've, the people, the powers that be has been trying to divide this nation over every social issue you can think of, whether it's racism, sexuality, whatever. the time is coming to where we are going to be so divided as a nation that it's divide and conquer. And it's coming.

And, you know, my wife and I, we ended up buying a farm. And we built this huge barn. And we thought, I would do a wedding venue. And all of a sudden it's morphed into, and we were just talking one day. And I was like, this is because we got a freshwater, you know, spring. pond it's spring fed we've got fresh water in a well behind us i've got all kind of animals you know to eat and i told lisa i said you think this place might be like an ark to help people in the last you know as this as it gets bad and she said yes and i do so you know building it as a venue

or building it as a, I think it's more, we're going to focus now toward sort of like an outreach and have praise and worship services there, make it more of a religious, religious experience. But prepare for what's coming. Because rest assured, it is coming. There is no dodging it. It's like if you could see something, I had a dream one time. And that's, okay, so another supernatural thing. that my family deals with is dreams.

Yeah. My sister, my baby sister, she can see colors on people before they die. We're all plagued with our vices, you know, all five kids are. But we all, you know, me and my older sister definitely, if something is coming, we'll generally have a dream about it. and I had a dream, and I don't know what kind of time limit we have. No, you're fine. It's fine. I got all day.

I had a dream one time, and I've had two, actually, when my friend Frankie passed. I dreamt that we was in a place called Pine Island, and it's in Florida. It's a beach. And I was standing on the beach, and he's out on a jet ski circling around. I can look down because I'm sort of up on like a ravine part of the beach where it slopes up. I'm looking down on him. You know, he's having a good time, and he's like, oh, come on in. man, there's another one over there, get on it. And let's play. And I'm like, all right. So I've seen this

huge shark circling underneath him. And I'm like, Frankie, get out of the water. You know, this thing's going to get you. I mean, it was like a great white shark. I mean, it was as big as a trailer. And this thing was huge. And it was just circling right underneath his jet ski because he was sort of just putting along waiting on me. And so he's like, oh, man, come on. I said, get out of the water. And so I turned my head to the left to look to see if I could get somebody to help and I look back. His jet ski was still going around in a circle, but he was gone and the shark was gone. It was probably two weeks after that. He died. And I was going to call him and warn him to be real careful, but I didn't do it. And I regret that to this day. And then on the same beach,

this was years later, me and my wife, was on the beach. I mean, this is a dream. And I looked out across, and the beach was like, had all kind of trash on it. And it was just, you know, seagulls were eating all this trash. And there was people out there that was, it was extremely lascivious, should I say. I mean, I understand when you go to the beach, you're going to wear a bikini. You're going to, you know, but I'm talking about this is like over the top, almost like debauchery stuff, you know, what's going on. And so I looked out in the ocean and I seen this crest. It was, probably looked like it was 20 miles away. And something in my head said, it was the same voice

I heard when I was a little kid that said, leave, get down the stairs. It said, take your wife and run. And I looked at it and it was, I seen it getting a little closer. It was this crest and I thought, my gosh, that's a huge wave. So I looked at my wife. I said, run. So I turned her around. I didn't even explain it. I just kept pushing her. And we got to the bottom of this little hill and it went up to the road and I'm pushing her the whole time and I could hear the water behind me coming and about the time that I reached the top I could feel the water hit the bottom of my feet and I turned around and the beach was just like glass though the the sand wasn't brown anymore and dirty looking it was immaculently white like snow and the seagulls were just flying around there was no people

it got everybody. Probably about two years after that is when that tsunami hit. Indonesia. In Indonesia. And it maybe not have been two years and it killed all those people. I don't know. I wasn't told that to probably warn anybody, but it was like, okay, this is,

I'm going to use a dream to show you what's probably going to happen. Well, what's going to happen. And I didn't understand the dream because I'm like, you know, when I first had it, I'm like, I know something's coming. It's some kind of a natural disaster of some sort. You know, it has to do with water, obviously, but I didn't know where, how. You know, I was oblivious to that.

So it was pretty intense. You want to hear a story about that tsunami? There was, it came in and everybody knows it killed a lot of people. But there was, and I heard this story a long time ago. It's been a long time since that thing happened. but there was a pastor out there in a boat with people from his congregation. And this tsunami came in. They were going to die.

And he prayed against it. And the waves went around them. Yep. And they survived it. Yep. And it's a story that goes unpublished. I don't even know where I can find a guy. So that really happened?

Really happened. Wow. Really happened. Wow. I mean, I didn't talk to the guy, but this is what I was told when it happened. I forget where I heard it. Somebody told me that. And they said, it was just like, the way it's just kind of like engulfed everything around them.

And they just were protected. That is. It's incredible. It is, it's, it's, it's unbelievable how God will, uh, warn and protect his people. even when you're not what you would consider, I'm super holy. You know, I'm not, you know, it's, he's not looking for a perfect person. He's just willing for, he's looking for a willing vessel that will attempt to do what he's going to tell you, what he tells you to do. And so, and I mean, don't get me wrong, the blood of Christ is applied to everything.

If without that, we're, you know, and I know that's politically incorrect to say, but that's just the way it is. there was another one that I had and this was, you know, you know, basically the collapse of 2008, 2009. Yes. So I had this dream that,

and I had this dream in like 2007. And I was in, you know, in Lenore City. And I was in the back of this pickup truck with all of my wife's family. And there was these tornadoes, these gray tornadoes. And most of the time,

if I'm dreaming about some kind of calamity or something, it's going to have a tornado involved. And I don't know why, but that's how it's either a black tornado, which is like imminent. Or it's like a gray that's not really pertaining to taking life, but it's trouble. Trouble on the horizon, massive trouble. So we're across the interstate and we're looking down into Lenore City from a little gas. station, you know, off the interstate. It's called bimboes. And we're sitting in the back of the truck looking at these massive tornadoes. I mean, they're huge. And they are at all these businesses. And they're at all these businesses. And you take that? Okay. And so we're, we're, we're,

looking at this. And so I get off the, I get out of the back of the truck. And so I'm running down to these tornadoes. So I go over to where one of these businesses at and it's tornadoes just spinning. And I put my hand and my arm inside the tornado and it never messed with me. But it destroyed that business. And I'm like, I pulled my hand back out and they're screaming, you know, man, get out of there, get out of there. It's going to kill you. It's going to kill you. So I put my arm all the way in. And I'm like, it's not here for us. It's here for the these businesses. And so I went over to another business and it just wiped it off the foundation and it's still standing or just spinning. And I'm like, it's just here for the businesses, man.

And so they come down and we're driving in between all these pillars of tornadoes at these businesses. We're on the main road that takes you through one more city. And so we get to this one business and this, it's, this tornado is at this, at this business and it's just absolutely the level in it. So I jump out of the back of the truck again and I see it coming across the road toward this little shop. So I wanted to go and warn the people that this thing's coming. You don't want to be in that business when it hits because you're going to have to suffer its destruction. Obviously, it's the financial destruction. Yeah. And so, and it was a dentist office. So I go in and I'm telling these people, get out of here, get out of here, get out of here.

You know, I'm trying to warn them. And, you know, get ready for this. And they wouldn't listen. So it starts to hit the building. So I grab them and I throw everybody to the ground and jump on top of them. And I'm holding them down. And this thing hits and it levels the building. And I'm like, I get up and everything's like, you know, if you ever watch Twister, you know, it's like, you see debris flying just floating away.

And I woke up. And so I told Lisa, I told my wife, I said, I believe that there's, I said, I believe that there's like a financial calamity that's coming. And I said, we need to get ready. I said, that's what I hear as I'm waking up, because that's when I hear the meaning of the dream is like when I'm waking up. I don't know if anybody ever does that, but that's when I hear it. It all sort of comes to me. And she was like, really?

And I'm like, yeah, we need to save up some money. You know, at the time she wasn't a, you know, she was in a different business and we didn't have a lot. But we started saving up. And it wasn't long after that, the whole economy. And one thing I did do the next morning is I went out to this business. Like I'm awake now and I literally drove out. And there was this dentist office. And I looked through the window and it was exactly what I seen in my dream.

Everything. And I didn't even know that it was over there. Did it survive the crash? I don't know. I didn't go check. Yeah, that crash was tough. I got married June 2nd, 2007. And I mean, I'm newly married, and all of a sudden, like, it seems like the world's crashing down around me. I remember, I remember sitting at my parents' house. He had, my dad had all his siblings over my aunt's

uncles. I think my grandparents were there, too, before they died. And they were talking to me and my wife, you know, has married life and my cousins are there. Big family get together. And I'm not good of faking. I'm not good at pretending. I wear my heart on my sleeve. Yep. I am what I am.

And they're saying, how's life? And I'm like, it sucks. Yeah. I have a wife I have to take care of. I didn't finish college. I have no hope of getting a good job. I'm working in a car garage as a general service technician because that's all I can freaking get.

Right. You know? and it was like such desperation. I remember crying in front of everybody, and everybody's quiet, and I was embarrassed, and I was just like, I'm sorry. You know, you guys asked me how things are going, and, you know, I don't know how I'm going to survive.

And I said, I'm not asking for a handout. I never asked for a handout. Not one time. Right. The only time in the last 20 years of, 20 years, it's not 20 years, 15 years of my marriage, is when my son was turning, One, I was so broke.

I was about to lose my house. I was while I had this podcast, I was a year into podcasting, two years into podcasting. And I was so broke, I had no money. And I asked my dad for $200 to help pay for my son's birthday. And I was ashamed to myself. Right. I was ashamed of myself. And he's like, you don't need to be ashamed of that, you know?

Yeah. And I think that's a thing that, you know, men, I know we're going from subject to subject. It's what the show is, man. I just talk. I just talk. But as a man, you know, we, we, we, internalize things and we keep everything bottled in because that's distress, you know, you, if you're sick, you go to work because that's how you want to pay the bills. You know,

if, if the economy's crashing, it falls on your shoulders, you know, and that's, we take that responsibility because that's what we were taught. And that is, you know, because that's sort of our job is to worry about these things. Make sure, you know, our kids are, I got 131, now and or 30 31 and then I got another one that's that's 28 29 and they both have excellent jobs but it's I will always just because your kids grow up and your dad got that too whatever they need it's not even a question because I know how hard it is I know the struggles and the in the worry and that you sit up at night and the and the frustrations and I don't want my boys to ever have to endure that. I don't care what I've got to do. Yeah. I don't want them to carry that

massive burden that I had to carry at a young, young age like you and have to, you know, deal with that alone because that's the same way I was raised, you know, being in the mountains, that's, you took it on, you handle it, you know, but there is, you know, and in knowing that, I guarantee you, you're going to look at your child and you're going to be like, whatever you need, you just let dad know, because I don't want you going through what I have to go through. Yeah, that's the way I feel I mean I Even with my kids now

I mean I grew up real poor in a trailer park And I don't want to have brats And I don't have I don't want to spoil my kids But at the same time I don't I don't want to manufacture Tough times for them because I want to teach them lessons Listen I worked my butt off And I still do

And I want to just be able to provide a better lifestyle To my kids than I ever had you know Exactly. But I'm not afraid to going back to the trailer either. It's funny, once I moved to Tennessee, a lot of things changed with me a lot. And I feel like it's because I feel like I've reached a promised land almost. Like this is where I want to be buried. I will never live anywhere else.

I chose to live here. A job didn't bring me here. I chose to come here. I didn't have to. I wanted to be here desperately. That's awesome. And I'm never leaving. And I say that because like everything that I do and I'm,

building right now. If for whatever reason it comes crashing down, I think at this point, the way it would crash down is if I do something crazy like, you know, cheat on my wife or something, I think, I think a lot of my audience would leave me for that, you know, and rightfully so. Or maybe the economy just totally just crashes, you know, which probably is going to happen. Either way, I told my wife and she's on board with this, I said, we will sell whatever we got to sell off and we'll get a trailer and a piece of land next to a river, and that's where we're going to live. I will never, ever go back to what I came from,

which was driving a tractor trailer 14 hours a day, and never seen my kids, somebody else in charge of my schedule. I value so much being able to see my kids whenever I say I'm going to see my kids. Because, I mean, my son's first, I think this is his first birthday. It was like in the middle week or something of that. And I said to work, I was like, hey, it's my kid's birthday. I want to go home at a decent time, you know, can I get home by five today? That's literally, you know, you're driving truck, you know how it is.

Permission. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll see what we can do. Yeah. No. Ain't doing that. No, my kid went to bed that night without seeing me.

Oh, man. Yeah. And that's the bad thing is, is when you, when you work for the man, you know, that's, it's, you know, I would rather, and one of the reasons that my wife went in the profession that she did was the fact that, you know, you know, that's, it's, you know, it's, you know, I would rather. was the fact that she controls her hours and what she makes. And basically, I'm there for insurance. And so if the economy ever does go insane, you can always come out to the barn, dude. Sounds good.

That's why I invited you out here. I knew you had a barn. I just instinctively knew it. And we got one side of it. We got three bathrooms. We got all kind of stuff. That's cool. This sounds cool.

I want to check it out just to see what it is. Yeah, man. Because when we came in here, you said how much you spent on it. I was like, holy crap, that thing. And I just, we passed over it, but I was saying, that must be immaculate. Well, right now we're putting in, we're going to put central heat and air into the main area, which is about 3,000 square feet, just an open room. And it's, you know, 30 foot ceilings.

And so we're dropping an astronomical amount of money, just doing the walls and the ceilings and all that kind of stuff, you know. But yeah. Anyways, listen, let's wrap this up. Glenn, I appreciate you. coming out and it's very random. I was like, why don't you come out? And you're like, okay, cool, let's go. But before we end here,

and I don't know if this is the case or not, but you were talking about the barn and things that you're doing, is there anything that you would like to promote and stuff as far as like advertisement at all? Okay, I wasn't sure. I just wanted to make sure if there's a wedding venue that you wanted to promote it.

Like, yeah, if you want your wedding, come out of here. Okay, got you. Then we're going to keep it secret, and it'll be the Noah Show. and I'll need your address before you leave. Definitely. Yeah, we'd definitely want to have you out. Awesome.

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