The Confessionals - RELOADED | 615: Miami Mall Monsters

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

In Episode 615: Miami Mall Monsters, we talk about the mysterious happenings at a Miami mall, where reports of otherworldly creatures have sparked a whirlwind of theories and speculation. Amidst the chaos and confusion, witnesses have emerged, seeming to affirm the presence of these entities. Our discussion navigates through the ideas of Nephilim, portals, and esoteric symbolism, as we attempt to unravel the extraordinary events unfolding in Miami. We discuss the depths of occult practices and their potential connection to these surreal occurrences. Theories suggest that Miami's geographic location, close to mystical portals and power zones, might be a focal point for such unusual manifestations. Adding to the intrigue, the alignment of Miami with esoteric hotspots like Antarctica hints at a larger, hidden tapestry of supernatural events. Could the Miami mall be a gateway to other dimensions, or is it a convergence point for ancient forces? Today, we dissect the possible connections between these mysterious sightings and the arcane knowledge of the Nephilim, portals, and hidden symbols.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZTony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comGuest LinksJoel Thomas: linktr.ee/joelthomasmediaIsaac Weishaupt: allmylinks.com/isaacwJuan Ayala: www.tjojp.comJustin England: www.cryptidsofthecorn.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - ImposterYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

Merkel? Media. I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine? Kind of a Dolion? Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves.

Time travel is possible. In the bustling heart of Miami, where the sun meets the sea, a new mystery unfolds. Rumors of towering creatures and strange happenings at the Bayside Marketplace Mall have caught the attention of Tony, the renowned monster hunter. Eager to find answers, Tony gathers his team for an adventurous quest to hunt down these beasts. Joining him on this journey is Joel Thomas, with his keen survival skills and knowledge of weaponry. Juan, the charismatic host of the One on Juan podcast, is known for his knowledge of the alchemical homunculus.

Justin, the astute biologist from cryptids of the corn, whose insights into these creatures are unparalleled. And lastly, author and podcaster Isaac Weisheap, who is one of the world's leading experts in occult symbolism. Together, they embark on a journey filled with suspense and unforeseen dangers, determined to uncover the truth behind this mystery. All right, guys, gather up. We've got a real situation in Miami. The Miami Mall Monsters is what they're being called. They came through portals and left everyone running for their lives.

Joel, you're our weaponry expert. What do you suggest bringing? Yeah, I've got the Nephilim Blaster 2000 cocked and ready to go. And I've been waiting to bring this new toy out, and I think that this is the perfect occasion. Absolutely. Make sure you bring the netting rigs too. I want to make sure that these things come in alive if possible.

Tony, I've got my sample kits prepared. If we manage to take one alive, I'll be able to collect well, uh, whatever monster stuff we get from one. Good thinking, Justin. Make sure you're prepared to collect samples of dead specimens because that's probably where this is going. One, you're going to be our lead tracker on this one. Yeah, something tells me these things aren't natural. I'll be able to identify them and find them for us.

They're home like this. Yeah, you're probably right. Isaac, do you have everything you need? I heard there was talk about these symbols where the portals opened up where these creatures came through. I'm going to bring my journals on symbolism. Maybe they'll tell us where these creatures actually came from. Yeah, that could be our key. Keep the journals close.

All right, that's it. We're ready to. Hey, what's all this about? Are we having a garage sale or something? No. Jack, you're always out of the loop. Have you not heard about the Miami Mall monsters? Wait, the Miami Mall what?

All right. Everyone sit down. Let's go over this one more time, especially for Jack. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. Reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up this giant.

But the giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two small gray entities pulling it. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed.

I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm. I'm seeing a monster. Okay, I reload it. Juan, you got theories and thoughts, and I'm assuming everybody has some kind of thoughts on things. But let's kind of recap a little bit, though, as far as what actually is going on in Miami,

that we know of. It's one of those things where it's like, I've been seeing so many different perspectives, and then, you know, people come in. out saying they were there only to say they were trolling and then more people coming out that seemed to have credibility talking about their experience, that they're not recanting. And I'm just like, what is going on into Miami Mall? So, Justin, if you want, go ahead and let us know what, how did you first start finding out about this Miami Mall stuff? And what do you think of it so far?

So listeners started messaging us about sea monsters that had walked into a mall. And it's, you You know, it's hearsay stuff. And that's because, you know, we're more sea monster people. And I was a fish guy. So they're all super excited that a sea monster had walked up into a mall. And I didn't think anything of it until I think it was Joel or somebody texted me. And that's how I started finding it. And first, when you searched out, nothing came up.

It was all four teenagers with fireworks and sticks. And then it was 50 teenagers with fireworks and sticks. And then it all started like coming out more and more days. That's how it got kind of pushed to me is some listeners talked about sea monsters, which I couldn't find. I looked and looked and looked last couple of days since we've been talking about doing this, of finding that initial report of creatures coming out of the water, because it's right on the water, right? It's literally the bay is like right there and then the beach is, you know, a couple hundred yards away. And I couldn't find anybody that had stepped forward and, you know, and said that that's what they had seen as something come out of the ocean.

But I just thought that was an interesting part for that. yeah i think that you know they definitely came out of portals i mean that's that's just a 100% given like we're not we're not even going to entertain the sea monster thing okay so um but yeah go ahead i want this to be a free flowing conversation like don't worry about yeah i'm not i don't want to cut you off man just dream of consciousness so uh to talk about i'd actually hadn't heard about the sea monsters side of the house but it is to me it was always interesting because there is a theory about how Antarctica, for a variety of reasons, is the place where they found, you know, ancient aliens pushed ideas that there was buried UFOs 100,000 years ago. Bob Lazare talked about this in his testimony about his experience working with UFOs and reverse engineering technology.

plus Hitler and the Nazi supposedly went down there looking for alien UFO stuff and also in John Carpenter's movie The Thing that's of course where they come across the alien craft that they thaw out and everything happens. Now it's interesting because Miami of course

is the closest city to Antarctica. I don't know if that necessarily proves anything but it is interesting that they would find these aliens so close to where there's this long history of conspiracy theory. Did you... In the piggyback on what Isaac said real quick,

earlier today, there was a girl that came out and pulled the coordinates from the mall, and if you reverse the coordinates, they end up in Antarctica. So that was really odd, and it makes you think that either... And Justin actually checked the coordinates, and they do end up on Antarctica.

So that was really, Now, is this some sort of, I don't know, portaling system between Antarctica and the mall, or it was theorized that they reversed the coordinates that ended up in the wrong place. And maybe that's why they were confused when they were walking around if we're going with the entity idea. I got the scoop on that. All right. So here's the lowdown.

And I'm not here to toot my own horn, but if you look up occult origins of Florida, you Google that, I come up. Right. So here, here's the lowdown, guys. Everybody talks about the Babylon working ritual with Jack Parsons and Elron Hubbard, who were in Miami at one point when Hubbard had stolen Parsons' girlfriend and his boat. And allegedly, when part and when Hubbard took off, Parsons conjured up the spirit of Mars or some crazy demonic entity and brought them back in. That was off the East Coast. And they ended up catching him. He ended up coming back. And nobody. talks about, so the Babylon working was 1940s and we have in the 1980s, the Evans-Keehan cell workings. And this Jeffrey D. Evans guy was the head of the Typhonian OTO in the United States.

And there is this whole book who was co-written or I guess organized by LeVenda in which they were doing a series of sex magic rituals in Miami Florida because Miami Florida was a power zone, what they called a power zone. Now, if you know anything about the Typhonian OTO, which I know Isaac does, what's a power zone? So a power zone is a place where you can essentially contact things on the other side. So a power zone, like a portal pretty much. But it gets like a charged area. A charged area. But here's the kicker because you guys are

talking about Antarctica. The power zones move around because the power zones are parallel in space and in time. And it gets, again, it gets crazy. It gets crazy because you're talking about portals. Well, Tony, these people believe, as you talk about mind portals, well, the whole aspect of as above, so below, microcosm, macrocosm, if we all are all stars, how the Lima states, well, how there is in outer space, portals, black holes, things to enter into other dimensions, faraway galaxies, planets, et cetera, et cetera.

well, guess what? You can tap those in us, right? This is, again, thalemic views, right? I'm talking about the thalemic views. And this is where yoga comes into play because they believe that by positioning their body in certain ways, they can access these other realities and use their actual body as a portal. So to bring forth these entities into, so what ends up happening was in 1980s, this guy and his wife, they end up doing these crazy bizarre rituals. And you can read a about it's called the rights of the mummy, the cur law, sell, and the secret creed to Liber Al by Jeffrey D. Evans and Peter Levenda. Now, again, it gets very, very weird. So just just a heads up. But essentially, what this guy ends up doing is in 1984, I believe, April 2nd, 1884, he ends up, they were trying to induce an abduction. And it ended up happening. And this guy ends up becoming impregnated by these alien entities, the guy, because I left out that he was actually a cross-dresser and he's cross-dressing during this magical ritual. Again, it's a whole crazy thing. So he gets up impregnated, not by a baby, but by this crazy secret mathematical formula

in order to decipher Libre Al, the book of the law by Alistair Crowley. And it's all ties into pie. So the string of numbers, one point, whatever, whatever, whatever. And essentially how pie is this key in other realms to be able to decipher their reality. Again, it gets very, very crazy. But this all happened in Miami. Okay. This all happened in this power zone that the Typhonian, the head of the Typhonian OTO at the time, they were doing these sex magic rituals. And again, there's a reason why SpaceX is here. We have NASA. We have Disney World, the most magical place on Earth. We have all these different things.

And we have the history of Florida is directly tied to John D. Rockefeller. Okay. And our Federal Reserve system. I'm sure you guys have heard of the Tim Bent and Rob Skiba Federal Reserve interview that he's done, where at the Rockefeller Cottage in Jekyll Island was an old sacrificial site for the Tamukua, which the Tamukua in Florida have been tied to the nephalum, these giants that were here, and there's evidence, again, this is all Narcolongo territory, where Florida was perhaps either the Garden of Eden or remnants of Atlantis. And that all ties into this typhonian, thalemic, magical

Atlantean magic, right, that right with Bimini and the remnants and all that stuff. And we have at the center of it all, the Bermuda triangle, which is one of these gateways. Okay. So we have the HP Lovecraft elements of it, the Lovecraftian Cthulhu Mythos elements, which, by the way, Lovecraft live near the Bridgewater Triangle, which you just finished covering not too long ago. What do they have there? They have the same sort of thing. Entities coming through UFOs and the Typhonian OTO, according to Kenneth Grant's work. It's all about tying in. magic as the form of technology to interact with these aliens slash demonic slash whatever entities that you want to insert here.

Okay. So I think that's why Florida has been at the center of a lot of things. I mean, there's a reason why the Florida man archetype is a thing because I believe, in my opinion, the energy here in Florida, if you can't handle it, it'll drive you insane. It'll have you chewing people's faces off. I mean, there's dudes chewing other dudes faces off here in Florida. You know, that was the whole thing for a while. That really tripped me out when I was, I just graduated high school. I was like, what in the world? Can you imagine some dude just gnawing your face off? That's the Florida man archetype. Anything that you hear about, you go,

must have been Florida because it's crazy here. And it's a spiritual, it's spiritual. And I don't think, in my opinion, because I was on Christmas Eve, and I'll leave it towards the end, on Christmas Eve, I was right down the road at the Patricia and Robert Frost Museum, which I could see from the top where I was, I could look over and see the Bayside Marketplace. There's a nice area in downtown Miami, Brickle. I could see the Bayside Marketplace, which is right on the water. So I was there Christmas Eve. Now, I'll leave it towards the end of what I think,

to happen. But I think these things were not physical entities, but more of metaphysical, demonic entities. And my whole thing is, I don't know about you guys, but lately, and I talked about this a little bit of while back on my show, I've been seeing shadows in my peripheral vision. And I was just in Georgia. And I had a crazy one where I thought there was somebody walking up on me. I turned around, there was nobody there. So this has been happening to me more and more. And I actually talked about that on my show and had a whole bunch of people hitting me up. Like, hey, I've been having that too happen to me. It's like, what's going on? Is CERN on overdrive? Have they turned up, you know, to 110? Like, what's happening? And I think this could have been part of that whole

situation. Yeah. I mean, these definitely don't, I don't think that what people were describing, I don't think it sounds very physical to me at all. I mean, I've even heard, I think it was last night I was on a space on Twitter and the guy was talking about, you know, his experience. And I think he said that the bodies were almost triangular. If I remember correctly, Joel, you were in there, right? Did he say that? Yeah, he did, but he also said that they were phasing in and out of consciousness.

So when he turned around, he saw. them in front of him. And he said he wasn't scared of him because they were actively trying to harm anybody, but he said he was fearful of it. I didn't know what it was. And so he just kind of took off and ran like everybody else. Now, there was a whole other report of the one guy that saw the nerd kids that came in with like some sort of box and went and sat in the middle of the mall and turned some sort of box on that created some sort of energy field around it. And and he even drew, he's a graffiti artist, also a DJ, and he drew what came out and it's very shadow man like because the foot came out, the arm came out, and then it wasn't even really

a head. It was more of like some sort of projection of some sort of head that came out with it. And he said that there were people that were concealed carry, started shooting at it. But the kids that came in, they just went in there and set it up and just started doing this. So again, we don't know what's true. The guy could be trolling too, but everybody that's had an experience there, from what I'm starting to gather, that these experiences aren't of flesh and blood, really. Like, it's more of entity forms, shadow forms that's coming out of there. I haven't heard yet of a report of something that was just like a Nephilim or a Nephilim that was eight feet tall, nine feet tall that looked humanoid that was walking around stomping around. These things seem to be phasing in and out of reality.

And I am leaning more towards that as the more I've heard. Now, again, people could just be piggybacking off each other and saying, well, I heard this guy say this. So I'm going to follow along with what he said and put this. similar story out. Who knows, right? But in that aspect, I think that that's where my mind's going on it. I do think that there's a high probability of a portal being open. Very similar what Juan was just talking about with anything Crowley was doing. You know, Kenneth Grant talked about all that. The Amelancho workings, any of that stuff is very similar to probably what was going on there. if it was a portal that opened up.

And I want to add, too, that according to Lvenda, because Justin brought up the sea creature, sea monsters, well, part of that is the Lovecraftian aspect of it, right? The shadow over in Smith and all these crazy words like these half fish, half humanoid creatures, right, feeding on the townsfolk, whatever it is, they do sacrifices at the end of the year towards them, right? The deep ones, all these lovecraftian aspects. Well, according to Begita Levenda, Florida is the, pull it up here.

He refers to as the, not the fountain of youth, but the fountain of death. And according to Levenda, Florida is actually the best place for the manifestation or summoning of these deep ones, of these great old ones, because. and I'm going to pull it up here. This is directly from that book. The old ones, in other words, had no use for the humanity. Other indications that Florida is a geographical and topographically ideal for the evocation of such entities, such as Cthulhu and Dagon, are the fact that they are geologically, oh gosh, geologically, the region is composed of primarily coral, which is the melded bones of dead colonies of the type of primal sea creatures that represent the old ones.

Astroly, in the fact that its shores are aligned with mangrove swamps, mangroves being the plant of the old, indicating of the old ones, a tree, a type of tree that is especially representative of the old ones, there is the Everglades, a vast sea of grass, serving as a filter system to the inland waters of the North America, et cetera, et cetera. then there are the bones of Florida, great quantities of ancient bones, some of them belonging to animals now extinct. And there have been numerous findings of bog people, completely intact skeletons of people because of the low acidity in the water here. They find entire bodies fully preserved with brain matter and everything, thousands of years old. So they have that.

It goes on here, the coral caverns and tunnels that underlie the northern two-thirds of the state, the poorest limestone has helped to create the phenomenon known as sinkholes. One of my fears is, and I did a whole video on this, we interviewed a cave diver here in Florida, and they go into these little holes and rest in peace because he actually died in a cave system like a couple months ago, the guy that we interviewed. And they'll squeeze into these little holes in these aquifers, and they come out and there's these massive cave systems. Well, the problem with that is the places that they were going to were underneath neighborhoods.

So think about it. You're laying in bed here in Florida, and it could be five, ten feet of limestone before you're at the top of a hundred foot drop because under there is a tunnel system and you're at the top of a hundred foot drop. So whenever I'm sleeping here at night in Florida, that's what I'm thinking. I go, maybe underneath me, this whole cameras, that people get sucked up by these sinkholes never to be seen again. These sinkles open up and the people are gone.

They don't find them. Sometimes they have stories of them like screaming for help. There's nothing you can do. Once the ground opens up, you're gone. So we have here the and then in South Florida, there was the spread of ancient African cults and their santaia, Paolo, different versions of Vodun or voodoo. Now, I'm not here to piss anybody off because I've gotten emails and stuff of

of people who are witches and practitioners of these things. Again, no disrespect to you, but I'm just reiterating the literature. Okay, so just a disclaimer there. And so we have this whole South Floridian magical community that was prevalent, especially in the earlier, you know, 80s and all that stuff there. And during the 1970s, I posted about that story of Hysteria High, which was this school, this private school, that allegedly they were doing

Ouija board seances and this little girl got possessed and started screaming in a voice that wasn't hers that she was the devil, that she was Satan. There was this other thing where this little boy jumped out of a window

with like superhuman strength jumping around, demonically possessed. Again, these are all first-hand accounts and come to find out the memorial hospital on there. One of them, I had asked my wife which one it was because she's from Miami.

And I was like, where's this hospital at? She's like, well, that's the one over by where we went to over here. And according to the Tribune in the 1970s, they were treating up to 700 demonic possessions a month. That's crazy. Per month. So again, what's happening in Florida? Because we're having this Antarctica connection with, again, the Mountains of Madness,

H.P. Lovecraft talking about this sort of stuff. And that's for a second, right, we're on the confessionals. What if these portals, align themselves, how we said in space and time, but not only that, but geographically in some sort of weird way, they warp themselves together and they open up these parallel portals, if you will, where it's open here in Florida, but it's also open in Antarctica, or it's also open in Egypt, or it's also open in Australia simultaneously. I mean, these are all things we can think about and hypothesize about, right?

There's a... Go ahead. I was going to say, you mentioned the mountain is a madness. and that's the, you know, H.P. Lovecraft story that the thing is based upon that we were talking about earlier. And there's a couple interesting elements here. You know, Kurt Russell, who starred in the thing, he was the pilot who first called in the Phoenix Lights case in the late 90s, which is very odd, right? He said, he called it in because he thought something was weird, but didn't think much of it. And then it wasn't until later he saw it on the news, people talking about,

the Phoenix lights that he said, oh, that was, you know, I was the pilot of the called in the first one, which that weird lapse of memory, again, ties into so many abduction stories. But to tie into some of these occult elements, I'd like to zoom out for some people, you know, I know, Juan, he goes, he goes hard in the paint on the occult stuff. So some people might not be familiar with why this is even coming up. The, you're talking about Piedelavenda and this Typhonian OTO and Typhon, and Typhon, and Typhon, of course, is the, you know, a creature depicted as from the abyss, right? So it would make sense, the watery, you know, abyss connection there. But a lot of the ideas are that there's occult magicians and we'll, you can try to like direct lineage from, you know, Jack Parsons to Alistair Crowley, even though Joseph Smith from the LDS creation story, to John D.

And all the way back to the book of Enoch, which is where the idea of the Nephilim come from. It's the idea that in the book of Enoch, which is, I believe it's three different books, there's this story about how before the great flood Noah's great grandfather, Enoch, he wrote this stuff down or the story was from him, that the watchers were these fallen angels that were kicked out of heaven, came down to earth, procreated with the women, and created these giant alien hybrid creatures called the Nephilim. And if you read the book of Enoch, they talk about how the watchers were teaching the forbidden arts to all these people on Earth. They were teaching them ritual, magic, and all these things.

And that's sort of the short version of it. Then you fast forward to John D. who's this famous astrologer in the Middle Ages, I think it was about the 1500s. He was Queen Elizabeth, the first advisor. And he was doing all these rituals to make contact with entities, which he thought were angels and demons and things like that. And he successfully made contact with various angels. And they told him, hey, write down this sort of codex, and this is how you can talk to us.

And it was this grid of characters. And they called it the Inokian language. And it's supposed to be the language that God spoke to Adam with going back to the Garden of Eden. So John D, he did all this stuff and made all these contacts, had this vision of the end times, which arguably could be one of the motivations for why so many people are trying to bring a manifest aliens or create a sort of catalyst to make a change in the world. I mean, that's a whole other rabbit hole. You could go down to this idea that what they really want to do is rebuild the Temple of Solomon at any cost possible because they think that they're going to force Jesus to return and that's going to, sort of usher in the final age.

But anyways, John D. writes down this Inokian language. Some time goes by a couple hundred years. Joseph Smith uses this inokian language to make contact with an angel called Moroni up in New York. And it's interesting because Damien Eccles, the guy who, you know, from the West Memphis 3, he, you know, I'm sure you guys know his story. He got sent to prison for killing these kids because he was into Alistair. Crowley and black metal music and Metallica back in the 80s. Then HBO did all these Paradise Lost documentaries, started putting holes in the police work,

and Damien Eccles ends up getting released from prison on an Alford plea. And he gets out of prison and he continues to be this prominent occultist. And he's studied the occult works going back to before he was imprisoned. And he actually is fascinated by. the LDS Mormon faith. He was actually in Utah and studied it. And I think it's because it proves to

people who get into this stuff that you can in fact channel knowledge and wisdom from entities from another dimension, angels, demons, aliens, whatever you want to call it. Or ultra-terrestrials as John Keel described in the Eighth Tower back in like the 70s.

But anyways, so then Alster Crowley comes along and I think Joel mentioned the Amalantra working. He uses that same Inocyan language in 1917, 1918 to channel this first gray alien called Lamb. Then Jack Parsons comes along 30 years later and he does the Babylon working, again, using the same language, using the inokian language. And then from there, the Pentagon, the U.S. government, they start just funneling all these resources into studying this phenomenon because they know there's a, like a weaponized. purpose they can use this for if they can channel wisdom technology what have you or do it before

the enemy forces do it and and you know it's funny because they they gaslight everybody and that's and that's one of the main topics i want to i want to talk about with this miami thing is how interesting it is that the the the population we've we have all these all these mistrust in institutions the police force the mainstream media nobody trusts any of these people anymore right And you could argue whether that's good or bad. I mean, you could argue it's bad because it could be setting us up for something worse, a more militant, fascist dictatorship. Like, that's possible. That's one area where I do think they might want to take us.

But it is good to question authority, always, absolutely. And the police force, you know, they're allowed to lie to us. They really are. I don't want to pick on police individually, but as a force as a whole, they do look at, from my perspective, in my humble opinion. They do look at us as it's us versus them. So if you're not part of the police force, then you're sort of on another level.

And they do have laws where they're allowed to lie to us. And that's why people always say, like, don't talk to the police, right? Which I actually, you know, I get it, right? And look, my father was in law enforcement. So, like, I stand on both sides of this issue, right? But the police allowed to lie to us. And that's why no one trusted.

They see with their own eyes. They say, that's an awful lot of police. for sticks and fireworks. Yeah. You know, and then there's, of course, a rash.

Well, go ahead. Go ahead, Joel. Yeah, no, it didn't mean to jump in. Here's a thought. I thought about the pole police incident because I saw a lot of people online saying,

if this was an alien agenda, or if there were entities involved that were considered, um, from outer space. Why was it just the police involved? And there weren't any government agencies that were involved with this, outside of maybe a couple of black Apache choppers that they saw in the air. One of my thoughts was, and it's just thinking outside of the box,

were they all really police? Were they just masquerading as police that were coming into this place? Because the guy yesterday that Tony and I heard talking said that on their way out, that the police had some sort of device that they were scanning everybody's phones with on their way out of the actual mall area. So were they scanning these, was this device scanning it to erase any, that was recorded because everybody's like, well, if it's real, you got to have the recordings. Well, not if this was an actual operation.

And check this. If we're talking about the occult and opening up portals and the Amalantra workings and any of those from the hermetic order that are coming in and it's been infiltrated into the government because they use these, they use all of these things. They have for a long time. What if this was actually the setup was they knew what was going to happen and they had this police, in quotes, to show up to, if you've got police showing up and it's not government agencies, people aren't going to question it if you say that it's a bunch of kids fighting,

or if you show videos of kids fighting everywhere, like, well, yeah, the police, you know, came out there. Why weren't the government involved? So were these actual police? We don't know. It's just, I'm just throwing this theory out there. Yeah, it's interesting that you're saying that because it's, um, it's, It's almost long lines of what if they, if this was orchestrated, were they orchestrating it, going back to the coordinates?

What if they brought these entities or whatever they were here and they escorted them? I mean, like nobody knows what happened to these entities. If it's all real, right? So I think they even asked the guy last night on the space if he saw where the entities went. He said, no. and it doesn't seem like anybody has ever really seen where these things went. So what if these people, whoever they were, police or whatever, they actually come in to escort these,

but they brought them in and then escorted them to wherever they want for their future purposes. R-A-P-D, oh my gosh. It was that, that whole movie? Isn't that the movie, the R-I-P-D, the Netflix? Yeah. So Isaac is bringing up, so you guys are all, what you talked about, Joel, triangular entities, Isaac, the Anokian.

That's very important because I've even tied John D. to Florida, right? The Harkness. Harkness was a silent partner of John D. Rockefeller. They were involved in, right, with Henry Flagler, all the Henry's, the establishing of Florida. So that's a whole other podcast. But the triangular, the accounts that you get from people who mess around with Anokian magic is, you know, this whole argument of angels was, it angels or was it angles, right? So whenever they encounter these entities on the other side,

similar to how our boy Evans got impregnated by this mathematical parasite, I guess, a numerical parasite, of you will. And it's interesting because Miami and Shaldian equals 11. 11 is the number of inthalima of magic, of, you know, Abrahadabra has 11 letters in it. So like this number 11 is the magical number for inthelima. And so we have the Inokian entities. And whenever somebody talks about that, again, it's very abstract. Like when they encounter these entities on the other side, they're very geometric in nature. Okay. And there's a reasoning why the tablets are laid out the way they are.

And essentially what was happening with John D was he was being shown essentially another dimension and how to interact with entities on a parallel dimension. That's what scrying is, you know, looking on the other side. And so what I'm thinking is happening? What if they were running right? let's say it wasn't physical. And let's say that they were manifesting these geometric type-esque entities into reality using Atlantean technology off the coast of Florida, right, the Bermuda Triangle and all that good stuff.

And they were running some sort of sci-op or not a sci-op, but a sort of operation to see what the effects would be on people. I mean, who knows? It's not the first time the government would have tested something on its people. It's like, hey, let's see how far we can contain this with social media, with the technology that's around with all the cameras. Like, let's run this up. Let's use this in Nokia and tech. And Evans literally talked about how he had seizures.

His seizures got worse. And he was actually driven insane from the download that he got of the abduction and impregnation of these alien technologies. And really quick, the whole Kerr law system was a, it was all about powering a transmitter slash receiver setup, which is operated by terrestrial agents of the old ones. And it was about the manifesting of various things, the solar child or mother goddess.

So again, bringing forth like the Babylon working, wanting to bring forth this femunculus, because she was a woman, so a sort of homunculus-s type of thing, right? And bringing forth, but it was going to emerge, right, the dragon slash crocodile entity, right? This Sebek raw type of creature against Egyptian, was going to emerge from the mud swamp,

which is the Florida Everglades. Okay, so we have this connection of manifestation of this entity and the solar child. Well, NASA, SpaceX, Disney World, all these corporations that are aligned along the 28th parallel, well, the 28th degree of Templarism is the sun degree. what is Florida the Sunshine State what is there a lot of in Florida there is crocodiles alligators reptilians

I mean that's the whole thing so I think somebody commented I think it was David from Nephilim the Esquad he was like I hope the Nephilim start here I hope they start here and I was like well it's funny you say that because there's a good chance they could start here because of X, Y, Z you know what I'm saying?

And that's the thing I mean when one second When we talk about these entities, when I say entities, I do that loosely because I don't know how to define it. When we're talking about these things phasing in and out and not seeming physical, I still think that these things could be very physical, just not presenting themselves in a physical man. And so when you were bringing to the idea of the nephilum and stuff, that's something that I believe about the nephalum for sure. I do believe that they transcend dimensions today. And I think that just because what you perceive doesn't seem physical, doesn't mean it can't be physical. And so with what people were seeing, I mean, it really could have been something where they were perceiving or seeing something that later became more physical.

I'm pretty confident when I say that the longer these things are in this realm, the more physical they become. And so we've seen that actually just out of Florida. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the way the, the thing that are, uh, the, uh, they're very, very, very, very physical. So, my running thought is that the longer they're in this realm, the more physical they become. And so, if these things, just came into the realm in the mall, it would make sense that they would be not perceived as physical yet.

What were you going to say, Isaac? So, Juan opened a whole can of worms there. You started talking about angles, and it's interesting because I had read a book by William Ramsey about the Order of Nine Angles maybe two or three years ago. It's the satanic group that believes in the idea of mass human sacrifice.

They call it calling to sort of get rid of the undesirables is the short version. But the order of nine angles, the reason it's called that is because of the symbol they use, which is a combination of a pentagram and a trapezoid. And this is inspired by a couple things.

But the idea is that the pentagram uses sacred geometry, the golden ratio, which I believe the golden ratio is fee, which is half of pie, right? Let me look that up before I... That's what Evans was impregnated with,

too. It was all about pie, pie, pie, pie, five, five, five. Yeah, it was like all that. Yeah, because these are like mystical numbers, and the reason numbers are mystical goes all the way back to Pythagoras, who had the first Secret Society, 500 BC. So this is as old as time itself. And the order of nine angles, you know, they utilize this. And they based their rituals on Anton LeVe's rituals of the Church of Satan. And he based a lot of his ideas upon HP Lovecraft, which, and HP Lovecraft, of course, had this quote unquote fiction. necronomic on this book with a grim wire book of spells to make contact with entities, right? And a sort of side note that fits in along with this, the guy who, the guy who basically

built the Pentagon, I think was General Leslie Groves, he designed the Pentagon. And the Pentagon, like we said, it has the sacred geometry with the golden ratio as it's, I believe, like the vertices of its, the angles on it. but he also was the director of the Manhattan Project, which is what gave us the atomic bomb. And with the atomic bomb, you can start talking about how that supposedly opened up a portal back when they detonated it at the Trinity site back in 1946.

And from there, you can go as wild as you want because Jack Parsons was doing the Babylon workings at this time. The first actual UFO crash that's pretty well documented, is called the Trinity crash at the same time, having like within the same week as the Trinity test. On the 33rd. I'm sorry? On the 33rd parallel,

that's right along where Zoro Ranch of Jeffrey Epstein, too. Yeah, yeah. And it's just, it just opens up this massive can of worms, you know? And I don't know, you just get my brain going on all these things because, I do feel like all these things are connected. And that's why I'm always pushing my Twin Peaks stuff on you guys.

Twin Peaks. I started, brother. it depicts every single one of these elements. And you got to stick with it because I, as you guys know, I, I couldn't, I tried to watch this show for 10 years. I always thought it was stupid. I'd get halfway through season one. I was like, this is dumb.

Why am I watching this? Give up. And I got so sick last winter. I finally just sat down and plowed through it. And I mean, it just blew my mind. It's an initiation, Isaac. That's why it's stupid. Absolutely.

The first season, it's like, what is this garbage? Because I'm halfway through season two. They shakes. the tree, it just shakes everybody. Like, I get out all the normies. And once you step into season two, the beginning is like, all right, the first season was dumb. But I am 100% convinced it to an initiation because the first people, if you don't stick

around, you're not going to get the juice, what I call the nosis nuggets. Because when it starts to pick up, you're like, this is going where I wanted it to go and some. Like, it's going there and some. And it's, I think all this is absolutely tied. Yeah. Wait until you get to season three, dude. you're going to be blown away because that's how I felt about it.

It kind of ebbed and floated as in my interest of whether it was a good show or not. I got through season three. I said, holy crap, there's a lot going on here. And then I read Mark Frost's book. Mark Frost's book, him and David Lynch were the two minds behind this whole Twin Peaks universe. And you read the Mark Frost books about the secret history of Twin Peaks. And it just verifies everything, right? This thing is it's just onions and it's peeling back.

And most people, I would argue, they peel back the first couple layers. And they just, they don't know why they love. Twin Peaks. And people like us who research this stuff, it resonates on some weird level and I have a hard time describing it with words, but they were clearly tapping into some of these

are called concepts. Yeah, it's funny. I'm proud of you, Isaac. I got a text message from Isaac a couple weeks ago and he's like, dude, Mark Frost follows you on X. And I was like, who's Mark Frost? I said, Tony, Tony, what are you doing? Yeah. You have to capitalize on that. Yeah, Mark, Mark,

Mark Frost knows it all. And I've said this before, and I'm not the only one because I actually read this after I thought it. David Lynch, I think, is the expert on speaking to the subconscious, and that's when he films his stuff. He does very well at that. Mark Frost knew the occult concepts with which David Lynch could make contact with everyone's subconscious. And I think you've got this huge following in Twin Peaks because, and I would argue most people don't even understand why they love it so much. and, you know, researchers, like everyone on this panel here,

we kind of get more about, like, no, no, no, they're tapping into something here that has been tapped into for hundreds of years by secret societies and ancient mystery schools and occultist and, you know, he just goes on. You tapped on it, Isaac, when you brought up the pentagram. And I wasn't going to talk about this, but the idea of Pythagorean palaces, right?

Pythagoras using these numbers, methesis, which is a more, mystical, magical approach to mathematics, which the Pythagorean is essentially worshiped numbers because they believed it was a sort of system to hack the matrix. Now, what's interesting about the Pythagorean palaces is using the sacred geometry, right, so the Pentagon, the pentagram is also very important in the Akkadas we know as a sort of the sort of technology to transcend dimensions as I've been come to understand it. Also, you have the triangle.

which is at the core of this because we have the Bermuda triangle right off the coast of the east coast of Florida, well, the triangle is the yoni. It's the portal, quite literally, right? It's the portal of manifestation. So that's why it's used in the occult. And if you think of Florida, again, not to get too vulgar, but it's a phallus. It's the phallus of the United States, not to be stupid about it, but it's literally a phallis. And we know that in the occult, that's an important thing.

That's why you have all the obelisk in ancient Egypt, why you have all the tree symbols. all that stuff is related to it goes back to the phallus and what about in the and the and the obelisk always has the reflecting pool around it so the so that's interesting you say that that that florida is the phallus because it is surrounded by water just like a reflecting pool and it's that it's that polarity of opposing forces you've got the male and female which again you go into all the occult practices and beliefs that's what they talk about you know going back to shockty and shiva being locked in harmony um yeah huge huge topics here you know the triangle Pythagoras was teaching about how this was the mystical number of perfected harmony. And then you fast forward to Peter Levenda, who Juan was talking about, who he knows the whole deal.

Peter LeVenda knows it all. He knows what's going on. He knows. He talked about it in Tom DeLong's book. Him and Tom DeLong wrote this book, I argue it was all Peter Levenda because I read LeVendez stuff. But in the first book in their new sort of alien disclosure stuff, I think it's called like Man, God, and War or something like that. He talks about how he lays out all this Gnostic framework, and then he talks about how there's a connection between the triangle and the circle,

because in ritual magic, the, the practitioner stands in the circle, the magician stands in the circle and conjures entities in the triangle. And he said that what if it's the other way around that people see crafts and they see triangles or they see circles usually, sometimes there's cigars, whatever.

Cubs too. Or cubes. And he's saying like, what if it's like kind of, of like we're making contact magically on another level, another dimension, and we're kind of speaking to each other through magic, which again ties us back to the Inokian language. Yes, that's absolutely what they're trying to do. Absolutely.

You were talking earlier, Tony, about these spirits of the Nephilim coming through these portals, right, and then maybe being able to take hold of a more solid form. right? I believe that's where your mind was going with that. Yeah. Well, I mean, I want to just clarify it real quick with what you're saying. I not just spirits like actual real like flesh and blood type entities that are able to not be flesh and blood consistently. Right. Okay.

Well, I've got a theory for you too. And this that adhered back to some of the stuff I've talked about on your show before. And for people that haven't heard before, you know, my forte's, I mix the occult in a little bit, but I do go deep with the biblical stuff. And one of the things that I was thinking about with these entities, are they the spirits of the dead nephalum that are looking for host bodies? Now, if you go into any nephalum lore at the deluge, at the flood, when the nephalum were killed, at least the one, that were bad, and that's a little disclaimer to people go back and listen to the last episode I did on the confessionals about good Nephilim, but we're going to talk about the bad nephalum that died at the deluge. Their spirits had no place to go. So after the flood, they are

considered the demonic entities that are looking for host bodies. You know, some people get a little twisted when you're talking about fallen angels, or as Alisher Crowley would talk about the secret chiefs or any of these guys from the hermetic order would talk about, which I think they're one in the same. And just in my opinion, these fallen entities cannot take over a host body. They may could avatar someone, but they cannot take over a body. These dead spirits of the Nephilim or Raphaim or Emmem, Zuzim, any of these Anakim, or any of the names that you see in biblical terms of what these Nephilim are,

when they die, they're looking for host bodies. Now, I thought about something, Isaac, when you were talking about Typhon, and him being, you know, of the water, a basically, you know, or of a dragon, the, you know, son of Gaia and Tartarus, by the way, Tartarus is in the Bible as meaning hell also. So you've got Typhon, and it made me think of in the Bible in Job, it talks about in Job 265, the dead tremble those beneath the waters and those who dwell in them. In the Hebrew, the dead is Raphaim or Rafa, and it's also used to mean ghosts of the dead, shades, or spirits. So it made me think about, okay, you've got this correlation between you've got the Bermuda triangle there. You've got cave systems underneath, obviously underneath Florida, obviously underneath this Miami area. Are these spirits that came through this portal? Are these spirits of the Raphaine or this rafa, these shades that are coming through to possess people or find host bodies?

And one of my theories has always been that not all, but some of these gray entities are created as meat sacks for these old nephalum of old to inhabit. And that would be similar to anything in these government spheres that they create for these nephalum to inhabit. So I'm wondering if that's what was coming through these portals because they didn't seem like they were solid. They didn't seem like that they were moving. Matter of fact, the one guy said it was moving almost in a glitchy type of way. Like if you were looking at a TV screen and it was glitching back and forth. And then they would just move out and then back into consciousness. So I'm almost wondering if they are Nephlam, if they are Raphaine, but they're the dead spirits of the ones that died during the deluge.

Yeah, there's a spiritual battle component to this. I wrote two books on aliens the last couple years, and in my research, Willie Streber talked about how he felt like the soul was the big issue for these entities, these aliens, whatever, right? Because he felt a sort of separation of soul from body. People who have near-death experiences will say they have similar feelings. John Mack had this idea. Bob Lazar, he said that he saw documents about how mankind was genetically modified from aliens and how the aliens referred to our human bodies as containers.

So there is something to that. And then you talk about the Skinwalker, the Skinwalker theory that there's these entities that can't inhabit a human body for a long period. So they show up as werewolves and aliens and all this other stuff. Man. So with this mall situation, and this is a question probably for Juan and Joel and Isaac, because I don't know.

But you guys were talking about the significance of triangle and the Bermuda Triangle. If Miami had this happen, could we expect to possibly see things happen in Puerto Rico and Bermuda as well as the other two points of the Bermuda Triangle? Well, it's interesting because growing up, I was born in Puerto Rico and you can quickly see how, because I want to believe. I literally have a reptilian head and an alien right next to me. Okay. I want to believe in this stuff. I'm a skeptic. I'm a researcher.

And I'll be the first to tell you. Like, Joel knows. Like, I'll be like, these dudes are cappin, bro. Like,

there's no way. Like, this isn't real. Like, like, that's me. And that's why I'm researching this stuff. So if I'm,

I'm always retort to Juan with that it is real. And I'm going to tell you how. Yeah. So Joel will be like, this is definitely real. Like, no, bro,

it's not. And in Puerto Rico, we have the chupacabra. And I grew up with stories of the chupacabra, you know, sticking his hand in, claws into people's houses and all that stuff and trying to take him out, you know, through the shutters. And it's very easy to get lost in the sauce when it comes to this sort of stuff because the description of the chupacabra came from the first interview that they ever did

after the lady watched the movie species. Okay. So she took that idea of the Chupacoburn, the description that she gave, which was like an alienoid reptilian with like spikes down its back and like this mutated creature that's living in the Puerto Rican rainforest. And then that's what everybody took. And it became a sort of collective egagora thought form and really spread out. So when I'm listening to these stories about this happening here in Miami and all these different ideas that we're getting, it's like, is that the sciop? Is that what they're trying to do to try and bring forth this thing?

And use us as the manifestation and tapping into some sort of ancient occult power in the land, whatever. I don't know. But as far as Puerto Rico, I can't speak on Bermuda, but in Puerto Rico, there is a lot of UFO sightings. And there is a lot of weird things that happen. And I think Justin just did an episode on the Chupacabra not too long ago. On the Brino Triangle and the Chupacabra. There's still, the triangle over the last 10 years has been extra active. It seemed like it was an dormant period for a long, you know, from probably the 70s on, stuff still going missing.

The weirdest thing is the alive green fog that's being described. And then everything from Merman coming out of the ocean to steal chickens from locals on Bermuda and the Bahamas to the lights and the blue holes where there's cracking like entities guarding. what they believe is either the entryway to Atlantis or Puerto Rico. And in Puerto Rico, there's been, I'm sorry, a few videos of exactly what you're talking. In Puerto Rico, of these lights underwater moving quickly around. So there's been at least two or three that I can think of in Puerto Rico. Oh, yeah, same cave system.

So it's all the same cave system from Florida, Puerto Rico to the Bahamas. It's all the same thing. So there's a cave system that goes from one point to the other? Yeah, it's all the same thing. So when you go to the islands, like Puerto Rico, for example, or the Bahamas, they're fresh water in those holes on the island a lot of the times. And it's actually probably coming from mainland Florida. But the blue holes out in the ocean are humongous. There's even the nuclear submarine testing ground, which is in the middle of the Prevent of Triangle that we talked about in our show that nobody really talks about ever.

and there's a lot of OSUs, or not, the submerged UFOs coming out of the water happened right there in basically this little grid square of saying no one's allowed to go here. And all these UFOs come shooting up out of the ocean there. But the triangle is definitely becoming more active. Tony, I can see your hesitation when it comes to the underwater aspect of it. And I think that's more important than outer space.

I think, in my opinion, space might be fake. It might be a construct of, you know, this system that we're in. And there's a reason why Gislane or Gislane, however you want to say Maxwell and Epstein all had islands. A lot of wealthy elites have islands. And we have Terramar, which was the whole organization of Gislane, where she was teaching wealthy elites how to operate submarines. And I think that the answer to a lot of them. They're all submarine, ready to go. James Cameron is as well. James Cameron.

Think about it. It took him how long to come out with Avatar 2? then he learned how to pilot a submarine and he's going underwater. Then all of a sudden, he's like, yeah, well, I got, I got it now. I got Avatar too for you guys. Brough, I think the answers are at the bottom of our oceans. And right off the coast of Puerto Rico is one of the deepest parts of the Atlantic Ocean. There's a, there's a drop, a very deep drop. And I'll say this. I mean, you know, Crowley was a mountaineer. He climbed mountains to try and obtain magical powers or what if it was the inversion? What happens in the inversion? If you go down into the bottom of the Mirana Trench, what happens? Do you acquire certain?

I don't know. I've never been there. Have you been there, Joel? Like, yeah, no, I mean. I agree with you. I'm with you 100%. There was no hesitation on my part. I actually have, I've talked about this sporadically over the years, but when I first started the podcast seven years ago,

there was a guy that reached out to me who showed me a UFO coming out of the ocean. and when I saw that, I mean, that was, you know, 2017, so things were a lot different when it came to perception and what UFOs were and things like that back then. When I saw that, I was like, okay, so what's going on underneath these waters? And there definitely could be, we could go into a whole slew of things when it comes to going down under the water, what's down there. even I hate to re-sreaded but even down to the idea of

what kind of portal is down there that lets you get into other realms and maybe even travel to other locations within this realm. There's a lot of weird things. Like I said, I had those pictures. I'll try to remember to post them again. I posted them throughout the years on Instagram

but real quick, the story about it was, I think he was in Canada and he had there was a storm coming in off the bay. And so he was taking video of the storm. And when he took the video of the storm, he went back and he was trying to find a cool frame where the lightning was striking to take a screenshot for a picture. And at the point of a lightning strike, there is a flat disc-shaped craft that is coming out of the water. And I have like two or three frames of it. And you literally

see it shooting up out of the sky all while a lightning bolt is striking. So that's how fast this thing moved is that within a lightning bolt, it was, it was gone. And so, uh, yeah, it's a, it's pretty fascinating that that kind of woke me up right back then to the idea of what's going on underneath the waters. Um, then, you know, I think that, I think what you guys are talking about with all this submarine talk and stuff like, oh, shoot, like we got, well, Bill Cooper, uh, you know, he's my red pill daddy. Bill Cooper, he talked about that was one of his formative experiences to believe in a lot of conspiracies is he saw. U.S.

going out. His first one. Yeah, and I think it was after that that he saw all the documents and he always questioned whether or not he was supposed to be,

whether he was fed those documents in that information or he was supposed to see it and leak it. He wasn't sure. So, you know, he saw one. And then Elron Hubbard,

who was part of the Babylon working rituals with Jack Parsons, he had the C-Org and he had the three ships out there, the Diana, the Athena and the Apollo, which, you know, ties into the ideas of goddesses, and you know, Athena is depicted as an owl

that ties us into Twin Peaks and all this stuff. Well, we have the, I like watching terrible movies, Meg 2, which that's the idea of going at the bottom of Mariana. I just watched that the other day with my, pushing through and going into another section of like the, that is real.

Yeah. So there is a layer of sediment kind of, it's actually like hyper condensed like salt water. So it's actually like almost like a thick slurry of salt. It sits on it because the thermo vents on the bottom of the ocean are heating it up, but it gets colder, colder, then it hits warm. So it literally looks like dirt. If you watch those videos of eels that'll venture in,

there'll be dead stuff floating in that layer. And you'll see eels that'll brave it and try to grab something out of there. If they spend just a couple seconds too long, they die of toxicity. So it's extremely poisonous to all forms of life. Whoa. There you go. Yeah, that would be a hard barrier between. But for the Puerto Rican cave,

You just reminded me, Juan, is that it's one of the largest cave systems in the world, and it's absolutely banned from human exploration. And it got banned during the Puerto Rican chupacabra outbreak in the 90s. Really? And they were, yeah. And they're artificial caves, too, because they have a ton of artificial tunnels that they've made, the government that are abandoned. And there's videos. And I've tried to get a contact that, not only speak Spanish, trying to get to contact with this guy who went viral for going into one. of these systems, then it's just miles and miles and miles of tunnels that the government was like, yeah, we used them and then, yeah, we don't use them anymore. It's like...

Essentially, Puerto Rico is hollow. It really is because it's like the tip of this ancient limestone chunk of rock. And same with Florida and same with the island chain. You know, they're pretty much eroding away. And that's just what's left is this corpse of an old mountain range, essentially. Wow. Wow, that's why. Absolutely. So let me ask you guys a question about this, uh, this claim that they were kids. So I've been trying to kind of take all the information in about this thing and, you know, try to logically look at stuff. One, I would say, I don't think, so like we kind of hit on this a little bit earlier. If something happened, they wouldn't tell us anyways, right?

So we can kind of put that on the table. The police and all these officials saying that, you know, nothing happened. Well, if something did happen, they would say. nothing happened anyways. But when it comes to, like, say, the fireworks angle, could that be an explanation as to why they would shut down airports and flights? Just thought that, you know, if their thought is that, say, there's 50 kids, but they don't know approaching the scene, that there's, all they know is there's

a lot of people shooting off fireworks at different people and things like that. Terroristic ideas start circulated around the responders and all of a sudden, like, like ground all aircraft until we figure out what's going on here because we don't want anything getting shot at planes. Just try to be devil's advocate with that thought. Yeah, I thought of that too, Tony. You could punch enough holes in this thing that to me, I'm kind of, I don't know, you take it or leave it. It's not definitive enough for me to just stand behind and be like, no, I'm going to die on this hill that those were aliens. But you're right. It's, I mean, look at how they handled the Phoenix Lights. You had the largest witnessed UFO event in history. And they, they,

made a whole spectacle of it. The governor, Fife Simington, came out and made a joke about it and offended all these people. And then years later, he comes out and he's like, yeah, man, they told me to do that. And it's like, dude, like, I don't know why anyone would just trust. What's that? He was in the alien suit? He comes out on the

alien suit. Was that that guy? Yeah, he had a guy in an alien suit come out. But, yeah, so it's like, you know, and that's what I was saying is that a lot of people and a good example of this is look at the, The Epstein files came out, right?

And the mainstream media is kind of talking about it. All these people are talking about it. Then Kat Williams comes out the next day, and he does a whole thing where he's airing out celebrities in Hollywood. And people believe Kat Williams, right? Like, both people are tuning into Kat Williams, at least this is from my perspective, maybe how I feel.

I'm more tuned into, I want to hear what Kat Williams does say versus what Fox and CNN want to tell me is in the Epstein files or, you know, and not to mention, like, I don't believe, like, okay, they gave us some filtered, I'm sure. They're not going to give us all this damning information on the Epstein files anyway. So it's like nobody trusts those things that much. So I don't know. We're just in a weird place right now where people got this sort of weird red pill the last few years.

And there's a battle to sort of guide all these people and everyone's fighting to get them down their path, you know. And, you know, I kind of try to observe and see what's going on. But it's really hard to know what's happening. But it is interesting that there are a lot of rational reasons. like you say they're fireworks and it's like well that could have easily been mass shooting you know know i mean they could have thought that was mass shootings it's not like that doesn't happen here everybody in florida has a gun yeah like that's very possible that was just the police reacting but i still think like that's still a lot of damn police i don't know man no i so i agree i mean like

there's there's so many things that kind of um put it like as that's a little excessive uh you know and just look at um yvaldi how many the videos i've seen i've seen seen. It didn't look like there was that many cops there. And that was, you know, obviously a horrific thing. I don't know. Yeah. The first story they like pushed publicly was it was four teenagers in the mall with sticks and some fireworks causing it. They cut power. They shut down the airports. They cut power to six blocks. All these people are running video and all those videos disappeared really fast. Then immediately like a day and a half later, the police walk it back. And they say, no, it was actually 50 teenagers in the mall. We did not cut.

the power and they police just came out. I just either seen this this morning or yesterday night of recording this. They said, no, we did not shut down any air traffic. No airspace was shut down. So they went from saying they did do all this to they didn't do all of this within a two-day period. And isn't there like actual proof that they did? There's some kind of like, you can look that stuff up. Yeah, they definitely did. But they went back there. So they're trying to backpedal that enough. A lot of the videos of these teens fighting were some of them were really old videos. Like, you know, there's groups of teenagers fighting. You can find videos of groups of teenagers fighting and push it. One of the teens that kind of got blamed for it said that he was

like just in his car and a beer ball got thrown. So he stepped out and he got arrested on the, you know, saying that he was one of the ones lighting off fireworks. That was one of the kids. They said they had arrested because they said they arrested like six or seven of the quote unquote perpetrators of this. So they already backtrack there. There's, I think it was yesterday morning. So that would be, what does it take? So that'd be Saturday. They said they did not shut down in Africa control and they did not cut the power. And you could see where they like this videos of them cutting the power because it's just

blink. And all this stuff goes black. Yeah. And there's other things that have kind of popped up over time here with this as well that just kind of make you think, okay, what what is actually going on here? Because did you guys see the video of the, I don't know the guy. I don't know how old he is, but he called his dad who's actually running for sheriff in Miami. Yeah.

And his dad's like, I can't talk about it. What do you mean you can't talk about it, bro? Like, like, what do you? It looks staged to me, Tony. You think I look staged? But if you look, if you look at your dad. From what I understand, if you look up that, that guy, like, it's literally his dad who's running. It's him?

Yeah. Yeah. Like, anyways. But there's this lady who came out a few days ago. She's got over 600,000 followers on X. And she does like Bitcoin and different things. So she's not in this space. and she came out and recorded a video, released it on X,

saying that she was in Miami and her car when all this was going on. And she retells her story of how it all went down from her perspective. She wasn't in the mall. So if you're thinking somebody wants to be part, like grifting off this, you're putting yourself in the mall. I was there. This is what I saw. She said, I wasn't in the mall.

I was in my car. Now remember, this lady has a huge following. So it's not like, it's not like, yeah, it's not like she needs any, like she has more followers than all of us combined. And so she's, she says she's in her car and she hears the siren. She sees the police. She gets out. She asks somebody who was absolutely frantic about what was going on.

And the person that she talked to said there were creatures in the mall. And so she's like, this person is like crazy. So let me find somebody else. But she gets her phone out. And she said the police came running over to her right away and shut down the phone thing. They're like no phones. And then she also said that. And now remember, she was in her car.

She gets out. So I don't know how far away she is from the scene. She's in the area, but I take it she's not very close. And she says that she saw something that wasn't human. She doesn't know what it was. She was very vague on it. It wasn't like she was trying to give details. She's just like, whatever I saw.

all, it wasn't human. And so when you hear things like that, I just sit back and I'm like, just knowing that if something happened, they wouldn't tell us anyways. I'm thinking, for me, and maybe it's because I want to believe, I'm like, something happened in Miami. And I want to go find out. If 300 cop cars showed up to anywhere else in the country, that's a terrorist attack. Yeah.

I mean, that's that kind of level of stuff or somebody's blowing something up. it's that crazy. And then they're just saying it was four, well, now 50 teenagers with sticks. That's technically, technically it wouldn't be terrorists if they're from another dimension. Well, here's the best part to,

there's been a whole mix up of the days as well. So what they're saying is it happened on the second, but footage of kids fighting actually happened on the first. And now the police reports went from the second to now the first today. I matter of fact, I looked at the.

one you sent over to me, Justin. They moved it to the first. So there was an incident that happened in a close by area, but not at the mall. And there were people that were filming it. They're merging it into this first date and saying, oh, this is when it happened. So they're muddling the truth. So again, I'm with all you guys. We don't know. We really don't, but we do know they're lying. I think that's one thing that everybody here can agree is that they're not telling us what happened, no matter what it was. Even if it had nothing to do with entities or aliens or whatever, something went down there that they don't want us knowing about.

And then, you know, as being, you know, conspiratorial minded as everybody here is, we're going to, our minds are going to start working overtime because we're now going to try to put the pieces together of what actually happened. And if they're not going to tell us the truth, then honestly, people's minds are going to, you know, go wild. We're going to go to the furthest place possible, then, you know, maybe real back here. And I love that. Yeah.

And by the way, I love that. And they're okay with that because the, and, you know, and the reason why I don't think they tell us the truth is because they don't have the full answers. And if you come out and say, hey, there's this thing, but we don't really know anything about it, that looks supposedly weak. Whereas, you know, open-minded free thinkers like us would probably say, well, I respect that. Yeah, let's figure out what this is. That is weird. But they look at, you know, it's like it's why politicians lie. They got to look like they got it all under control.

And look, everyone, you're safe and secure with me. And they can't tell you the truth because they don't know the truth. And another angle of this is in Freemasonry, the 33rd degree, which is the highest degree of Scottish Red of Freemasonry. There's a motto that used called Order Ab Keo means order out of chaos. And, you know, Bill Cooper, again, my red pill daddy, he had a whole like 30-hour series. about called mystery Babylon and he talked about order abkeo and he said this isn't a strictly a free mason thing this goes back to ancient cults from hundreds of years ago and they knew that if you wanted to seize power and to really control people you have to instill enough fear and chaos that

people are begging for order they want the order so you you promote this idea of chaos and and this is what ronald regan was talking about when he back in the 87 he was at the u.n and he said oh, I wish there was an alien threat. We could all band together. He was saying it out loud because he's an idiot. And this is what these globalists think. They're trying to promote because I take it to a spiritual realm. I think there's a spiritual battle.

It's the age-old story. I don't know of any other rationale for why all this weird stuff is happening. I think that they believe in this concept called the great work. They have to do whatever it takes to instill this luciferian global government. And I don't know precisely what that looks like. I just know that that's the angle. They think Lucifer is really the real God to them. And they want to make this utopia fantasy world that will actually be a living hell.

And this goes, you know, and I'm not the first one to say this stuff. Go back to the, there's an Orthodox monk named Father Seraphim Rose. He was telling us this in the 60s. He wrote a book called Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future. And if you read that, you'll be complete, Convert Red Pill because you're like, dude, this guy knew what was going on. In the 60s, he talks about how science fiction is here to manipulate us in the entertainment world because they're all pushing occult new age ideas because there's an end game for them.

And it was followed like a script for the last 60 years. And it all makes sense when you understand the occult perspective of making contact with aliens and Jack Parsons and Crowley and all these whackadoodles. Because I say they're wackadoodles, but I do think that their practices are authentic, meaning, that they do work. And I think that's why people like the Collins elite in the Pentagon, they've been studying this as well for all these years. And that's what kills me is the gas lighting when they, when in,

you know, it was just a couple years ago. They said, okay, we've been researching UFOs. We called ATIP. And, you know,

there wasn't really fruitful. It's like, dude, you guys are so bad at lying. Like, you've been doing this since Projects, Project sign and grudge and Blue Book. You guys have been doing all this stuff.

And didn't get any of them. Yeah. And so what are you talking about, Isaac, to quote, so this is C.W. Ledbetter, which I know you know that from the Theosophical Society. This is, he's making a comment on Crowley, because you just mentioned Crowley and how their systems work. We know this. Like, there's a, I do believe that the occult is a real thing. And I do believe that they're tapping into forces that are not understood, not misunderstood, but not understood because we don't know. And he's talking about, This is in 1894, and he's commenting on Crowley describing entities by Crowley as certain vast stars or aggregates of experience. So he's talking about the great old ones, the deep ones, the outer ones, right outside of space and time. And Ledbetter in 1894 says, and this is from Beyond the Mobb zone by Grant. He goes, if we ever do come in contact with them, it will most probably be on the purely physical plane. for in any case, their connection with our astroplane is of the slightest sense.

The only possibility of their appearance there depends upon an extremely improbable accident in an act of ceremonial magic, which fortunately only a few of the most advanced sorcerers know how to perform. Nevertheless, that improbable accident has happened at least once and many and may happen again. So this is 1894 C.W. Ledbetter of the Theosophical Society. talking about coming in contact with these entities, maybe perhaps through ceremonial magic, right, the world's the stage.

A lot of these things seem stage, you know, and so I think that plays a role into it, but it could happen on accident too. They might just pop in, hey, how you doing? Oh,

we're out of mall. Let me go buy some new Nike's or something like that, right? And then I think Ledbetter was part of the, the sex magic push. Sorry, Joel, I'll write to you. But, you know, sex magic is the idea that you can open these gateways to these deeper process of low conscious thought.

And I think led better to the Theosophical Society. We're pushing that. Sorry, Joel, go ahead. No worries. So it made me think you were just talking about projects. And I wanted to bring up today a project Blue Beam because I know that this is a huge buzzword in the community. It has been for the past four years. And honestly, it's being used incorrectly, mostly by people online. Anytime they see something that they think is fake or whatever, they will respond to the comment with just two words, Blue Beam.

And most of these people don't really understand in context of what Blue Beam actually is. Serge Manas and Omar Falali actually wrote the book. It wasn't even a book. It was more of a paper. They wrote several books together. Oddly enough, the two died two weeks apart in 1996, both with heart attacks and neither of them had any heart condition. So that was a real strange thing. So I do think that Serge Manasse was on to some stuff for sure.

When most people hear the words blue bean, they think holographic images that are projected to trick us into seeing something that's not there or an alien invasion. But actually, when Serge wrote it, though, he broke it down because it was a NASA program. And it were five different aspects to this program. And the first one was an engineered earthquakes and hoax discoveries. So apparently there's going to be, according to him, earthquakes and these discoveries that they find all across the earth will show us that the religions of the past don't exist. And it will move our minds into a state of accepting something new. Something I've heard you say, Isaac, a lot in the past is the new religions, what? The no religion, right?

So that's something that you've always said, and that really rang true to me when we're looking. at this whole blue bean thing and where we're moving in this spiritual warfare that's going on because the next step is the big space show in the sky he doesn't talk about UFOs though really except it being them trying out new things and maybe showcasing UFOs as them working on the equipment but really their whole hit the entire operation is built on a second coming of christ or some sort of god whatever god that is in in the vicinity that you're in culturally will be represented in that area. And everyone will coincide all at once and realize that this entity or these aliens or whatever

are here to lead us into the future. I don't think that alien sightings or even if the thing in Miami is real, that I don't think they're going to be fake like that. I think that when these entities are revealed and Juan was just talking about it, then being in the physical realm. If they're in the physical realm, I think that if Blue Beam is used as it's supposed to be used in the Surgeman-Nast document, that Blue Beam is actually to move us away from God and move us into a place to be controlled more

by whatever entities that they bring in as gods to us. So I do think that these entities will be revealed. I think we're going to see them. And I sadly think the people that think, everything's fake, are going to be wholly deceived when this actually happens because they won't know what to do because they won't know how to accept what's in front of them. I call them the geopolitical conspiracy theorist only. They only believe in this geopolitical realm of control, and they don't see how that the occult is highly, highly connected to politics, highly connected to the entertainment

industry. These people believe it. Listen, you don't have to believe it, but they act on what they believe. And if they do that, they will control you. And if you're not aware, at least somewhat of what's going on, you're going to be deceived in the end. Just in my opinion. Amen, brother. I dig that. There's a, there's a idea of predictive programming that people in the conspiracy world have been talking about forever. And it's the idea of, and, of instilling these ideas and themes below the subconscious level. And I don't know if I mentioned this already, but there's a neuroscientist named Jeffrey Zaxe who talked about

building cognitive models, meaning I watch a TV show, there's aliens on the show, my brain has to do some work. It builds a cognitive model of, oh, there's these alien things, but then your other part of your brain has to come through and say, yeah, but that was just fiction on a TV show, right? So they do this predictive programming

over the years, and one idea, I think, Juan, you were touching on this maybe, or maybe it was Joel, sorry, but someone was saying about how in a way, things like events like this start making people conceptualize and sort of maybe even believe in aliens and in a way maybe the occult practices are that it can manifest the reality of aliens. And what's interesting is that Stanley Kubrick in 2001 of Space Odyssey, there was a fictional

storyline. I think this is just in the novel, not the movie, written by Arthur C. Clark, of course, who was big into all this stuff. but there was a fictional storyline of a thing called Project Barsoom that the Department of Defense was studying fictional quote unquote, but that they were convincing humans that they were contacted by aliens through the use of drugs, hallucinations, hypnosis, visual effects. And when you read the occult stuff like the Lords of the Left Hand Pass, they talk about all the different, you know, ancient rituals of how you can make contact with the gods, with the divine, as they say. And, you know, there's a couple phrases I use Joel. There's a line and a rap song that says, the new religion is no religion.

And then, and I say that. And then also Helena Blavatsky from Theosophy, she said the religion of the future is the religion of the past, which, again, hundreds of years of occult practices. And it's all about manifesting and making contact. Because that's what, you know, Helena Blavatsky and Alastair All these occultes had one goal

they all had shared together and that was to destroy Christianity and you can say what you want Look, I'm a Christian but I'm the most lukewarm guy I have a hard time with a lot of the beliefs I'm not professing to be like no we all have to be Christian Like I'm just saying they all have My job shared interest and that's it

All right Tony That's my job I'm not the guy to do it No I get comments and stuff Wish you wouldn't talk about God so much Well you know like I don't know to tell you. So, you know, it's funny. And when I start, because I've been doing, I've been sort of blogging and podcasting since 2011. And when I started out, I avoided the religion topic.

Because I always said, like, look, man, I struggle enough. I'm not going to be here the guy to sit here and thump the Bible and say, you should do this or believe this. And I still stand by that. I really don't care what people believe. I have a hard enough time myself trying to, you know, be a good Christian. But the, the truth of the matter is, you know, maybe I was, I don't even know how many years into it I was, six, seven, eight years into when I finally just came around and said, you can't avoid it. It boils down to spirituality. When you try

to rack your brain about why this is happening, what is happening, all the occultists they flat out will tell you the truth. And it's just where it goes and has to go there. It's funny because like you said, you can't avoid it. And it's from the occultic angle, the conspiracy angle, the paranormal angle,

it all points in the same directions. Homunculus. Exactly. Homonculus. It's always the homunculus. All past lead to homunculus. I mean, it's literally, I mean, if you, at some point, you just got to cross that path. And if you don't, then you're just putting on those blinders just to, I don't know, to make yourself feel good that you don't have to adjust any way of lifestyle on your end. I don't know.

At the time of this recording, I'm trying to think, okay, so it's going to, yeah. So on my Thursday show, there's a little nugget along these lines. inside that episode for the members. I just, I get a little moody. But that's for the members. But yeah, I mean, I just think that there's a lot of people that kind of avoid the spiritual aspect of this stuff when it comes to everything we're talking about. And I think it's mostly for their own comfortability.

I mean, because everybody's fine with talking about, you know, oh, magic and black magic and this, that, and the other. But as soon as you bring in the other side of it, it's like, oh, wow. you know, you're speaking, you know, Christians. So speaking of magic, though, somebody, I think it might have been Juan, was talking about the South Florida magical community. I'm assuming that was you, Juan.

You said to them. Yeah, and by that I was referring to the Santeria, Paolo, what they call Afro something or other, but essentially voodoo, right? So the dark magic. And I don't mean that in disrespectful ways. So along those lines, the reports of teenagers coming in the mall with a device

and then these things came out, could that have been something that was connected to some kind of Floridian magic community? So the, I've heard of stories, and I don't know if you had this guy on before, but he runs this, this exploration YouTube channel. He was on Rogan, actually.

I don't know, but I cut a story I've heard him on your show. I've heard them on your show or not. Anyways, he found... People often confused my show with Rogan, you know. It's just it is what it is. Yeah. The, the, he found there's an old abandoned space.

They were testing rockets, an old abandoned rocket testing facility over, down in Homestead off of US1. The locals are not what I'm talking about. And he said that he went there because you can go and there's still a freaking rocket in the silo, right? And that was the early, I don't know what years. and essentially, allegedly he found some like satanic ritual site within that rocket facility, the abandoned facility. And the idea of maybe South Florida being more open to, I mean, there's Little Havana, which that's the whole thing down there.

And it ties into the hysteria high story of the 1970s where allegedly the owner of that school was a Santero. He would dress an all white and he would have the necklaces and everything. And to to fetch it and say that maybe there wasn't somebody with a device that went in there and like a genie in a bottle or a gin in a box opened it up and wanted to mess around with people, I wouldn't rule that out. I wouldn't rule that at all. I mean, that's essentially, yeah, I mean, I think that's a real thing. And again, no disrespect to anybody and anyone's religion. but the, yeah, that could be something that that could possibly be of that angle. And I do think that that was a lot of cops for a fight.

And the way I heard it was that the day before how Joe was saying there was a fight and now people are mixing up the two. Now, to talk about what Isaac was talking about Kevin Spacey and the whole Tucker Carlson thing, where some people say that wasn't Kevin Spacey, some people say it was, well, he said one thing in that whole spiel that he was going on about that really stood out to me the most, because I've talked about this a whole bunch of times. And it's when he talks about, he goes, you know, when the fiction and the reality intermingle together, that's when it really something along the lines of that's when it really, you know, sets me off.

You know, I'm paraphrasing. And that's essentially what they're doing now. They're taking the fiction and the reality. Whenever you watch a movie that says based on true events, it slaps differently. Like you go, oh, this could have this could have happened. happen. And then you're left to wonder what part is the real part. It could all be real to you if it's real to you. And that's the dangerous part of it because this, you know, this is where you step into chaos, magic and everything, right? And what's their saying in chaos magic? I say it's like,

everything is permitted. Nothing is something or other. You know what I'm talking about. The whole chaos magician saying. I don't know the phrase. Sorry. I'll find it. But it's essentially like, everything is permitted. And everything is permitted is like, well, you can adopt any said God for one purpose, use it for that ceremony, chuck them out. And that's why on our money, which is tied to the founding of Florida, which is tied to John D. Rockefeller, John D. Rockefeller and all these guys, well, on our money, it says in God we trust. And I've always made the joke, I go, yeah, but which God? Because we don't know. We assume it's the God that we all know in love, right? Jesus Christ and everything, it's like,

Yeah, but to these people who are in secret societies, part of the hellfire clubs and all these things, we don't know what miscellaneous gods that they were worshipping. And it's on our money. But hey, here's all these sigils on our money. We have the all seeing eye and this pyramid at the back of it. But hey, in God we trust everybody. Right. And the monetary system is one of the biggest. Right.

So you talked about the older than nine angles. The money system is one of the biggest sacrificial systems that there is. We're sacrificing not only literally people for money, but figuratively. We're sacrificing our next generations, our kids' generation and their generation. They're going to live with all this debt that's left behind and God knows what. So that's one of the biggest sacrificial systems that there is, the money system. People die over the military industrial complex, and it's all run by these. People say, all these guys weren't a cultists.

It doesn't matter if they were or not. maybe they're being controlled. You know, who knows? I'm just rambling now, but who knows if they're... You know what? I don't want to go back too far, but you were talking about the Joe Rogan thing with the Python cowboy who was out investigating

the aerodet facility at Everglades. I actually did a show about it. And when you watch the video, there's a doll he comes across that's got snakes wrapped around its neck. And the type of snake it is, it's a red scarlet snake. and of course no one and Joe Rogan or Python Cowboy kind of thought anything of that

but that is of course significant to the occult because Alistair Crowley and Jack Parsons they had these obsessions about the Scarlet Woman, this elemental that they were going to evoke to create a moon child to create the Antichrist. So I just find it very curious that that was the name of the snake that he did stumble upon. And think how many bodies are in the Everglades. Why? You brought up the money aspect of it and I was just talking about Blue Bean. that's the final phase, the fifth phase, phasing out cash and independence. I mean, that's part of what they want to do at the top. And you see we're moving towards more digital by the day.

And, you know, that's eventually going to move us into some sort of one world currency. It's just going to make it easier, right? And I do think that that's a part of all of this. But, you know, these entities and everything else is just the mixing of fiction and in reality. And to the point that we don't know what's going on and then we're running around like chickens where their heads cut off. And I think if we realize at the end of the day that this is a spiritual battle and we can ground ourselves and our faith, I think at that point, you realize there's nothing to fear and you understand that a lot of this is fearmongering. And then you can, you can, you can, you can, uh, wholly base yourself in that. And then you can start seeing through the mist a little bit more. At least for me,

It's been that way. You know, we were talking, I forget how my thought process went there. It's usually how it works. But there is a guy, I can't, I really, I know people hate when I do this, but I really can't reveal which guest it was on my show. But there was a guest on my show that after we were done recording, he talked to me about his experiences working within, I forget what department he was in, but governmental department.

and it's some kind of space stuff. And he talked about how before every rocket launch, there would be black masses that they would do. And that's something that you hear about. But then when I have somebody who actually comes from that world, and he's like, no, that's exactly what they do. It kind of puts a whole spin on that whole. I'm sure you guys heard of it, the NASA T-minus thing.

You guys hear about that? So they, I don't know if this, I guess, let's call it a conspiracy theory, but it's this idea that NASA and the whole Satan angle and the reason why they say T minus is because that's the letter of the alphabet missing out of NASA. And so it's, it's a T minus and NASA. If you, you know, add those things together as spells Satan. So I just, you guys never heard that before? That's kind of fun. That's a fun little conspiracy. Geez, look at that.

I'm educating you guys now. Look at that. Let's go. Parsons actually would recite the hymn to Pan before every rocket launch, Parsons. And the interesting part of Pan is related to panic. And what do we have in a lot of these different scenarios? Panic, right? And the idea of that really, and I think they take that and they related to Baffemant in some sort of way, right?

We know Baphimett's real big in the occult community. And the fact that this situation has, happen in one of the most wealthy parts of Miami, Brickle, which is like their, you know, it's like a whole exclusive island, a whole bunch of high rises and all this stuff downtown. That's the money aspect right there. Money's flowing there. So there's a lot of money going through those parts. And how you're saying, maybe it was some, you know, I hate when people do this in the occult community and then the conspiracy community is like, oh, it was all a ritual. So yeah, well, what kind of ritual was it? They was just a ritual. All right, but could have been, I don't know, it could have been a

ritual. I mean, you have the Miami Circle and I don't know if it's how far it is from there, but it's an old ancient site, right, with the, with astrological alignments and all that stuff. So that could play a role into the Tecesta people of the, you know, the ancient area and who knows that they're powering that. And what if they're pissed off that they were, you know, wiped out and taken out. And now all over their ancient sacred sites are higher, you literally have the Miami Circle and right next to it is a freaking apartment. complex, like a whole building. It's like, those people, I don't think would be happy about that, you know.

And I do believe that spirits linger. And I think maybe, who knows, if it was some indigenous spirit that was terrorizing those people. We don't know what they built that place on. And there's a reason why it's there. Miami is there for a reason. It's not there just because. So, yeah. Well, guys, I think that this was a good conversation.

And if you're ready, I'm ready to get to Miami and go find ourselves some nephilum. So I do it. I pick everybody up on the way in the bus. I think I'll pass everybody. Perfect. Perfect. You're covering gas too, right? Yeah, we'll take care of it.

Sounds good. Sounds good. Joel, don't forget the nephilm blaster at home, please. Okay, last time was a debacle. So, yeah, I got it. Anyways, guys, I appreciate you hopping on with me and talking about all this stuff. I just, when I saw the Miami stuff happen, I actually saw it a few days before I started popping off. It was crazy about it was I literally saw on X, somebody posted something.

I remember seeing the video of all the police cars. And I took a screenshot of that tweet or X, whatever you call it these days, because I was like, I got to remember to go back and check this out, whatever this is, because it's like creatures in the mall, whatever. And then that screenshot is just gone. And so then they started popping off a few days, a few days later. And I was like, yo, I got to talk about this. Like, this is too juicy. Like, I think the, I think the audience would be pissed if I didn't do a Tuesday show about the Miami Mall Monsters. So, uh, that's what we did. Before we get out of here, just everybody let everybody else know, everybody let the audience know, uh, where they can find you. We'll start off

with Juan, then Joel, then Justin. Can I, can I go last? I have a confession for the confession. Okay, so we'll start with Joel, then Justin, then Isaac, then won. Yeah, you could find me at Linktree slash Joel Thomas Media. And you can find me on any platform at Joel Thomas Media. I've got a lot of cool stuff that I'm working with with Tony with Marco Media. New podcast is on the way as well. So that will be dropping in the next few weeks.

But you can catch me there to see whatever's happening. Yeah, you can find us at all the at cripsichorn.com or on Facebook, Instagram, all that stuff. You find the podcast anywhere. We're ripping off Tony again, and we finally got our members space up and running. So we just did that. But yeah, there you go. Oh, this is a great panel, by the way, Tony. Good job.

Everyone on here is impressing me. So thank you very much for inviting me to this group. One last thing is that these rituals, they're not just about promoting and propagating symbols. It's about paving our minds to accept new realities and new truths. So just kind of keep that in mind because what I do is I always study. I have a podcast called a cult symbolism and pop culture. You can find it everywhere. And we talk about symbolism and film and television, pop culture events and things like that

and talk about the Illuminati conspiracies and aliens. But I think there's a bigger goal at hand. And I think the more we can wrap our minds around it, the better we'll be off. And I also have a website, IlluminatiWatcher.com, where you can get all the information and then I've written a whole bunch of books, a couple on aliens. You can find all of them on Amazon, self-narrated on Audible under Isaac Wisehop. All right, thanks. And before we get to Juan, I'll say that could we, I got to be guarded with how I say this because I don't know what YouTube standards are, but could we be living in the reset that was talked about a few years ago?

And the idea of, I kind of did a video on this, it looks like three years ago now, it didn't get a lot of traction, only 500 views on Rumble. How dare you? But basically, the idea is if you break down the word reset, R-E and then S-E-T, R-A-T, R-N-S-E-T, R-Set, order out of chaos, those are those gods are literally that. Raw is the god of order, set is the god of chaos. And so could we be living in the reset right now? And they're creating the new order out of the chaos that they're creating.

So it's very interesting stuff. Juan, go ahead. Find me, Juan on one podcast on any podcast platform. I'm on YouTube. I got a Patreon for those interests in my website's TJOjP.com. And I want to say, Tony, thank you for having me on. Joel, Isaac, Justin, love you all, Tony. And also I'd be, I'd love to host you guys.

You guys want to come down and also shoot a documentary or something. We'll hook up with Bigfoot Stacy, go home for the skunk. We'll go to the Crowley cottage and we'll go home for some Nephilim. And I think I might be responsible for this whole entity encounter because on the 24th I was there at the Robert Foss Museum. And, you know, Tony, you always said that the truth will set you free, but first it'll piss you off. But I think it might get some people on knocking because I think what might have happened was I might have had a homunculus in my pocket at the time. And when I went ahead, I kind of might have dropped it. And I think that they're coming in now.

Oh, my goodness. Because that's just what warriors doing.