The Confessionals - RELOADED | 64: The Disappearing Church of The Woods

Episode Date: August 15, 2022

Can inanimate objects travel through time?  Can they defy logic and reason? What about entire buildings? On Episode 64: The Disappearing Church of The Woods, Seth joins The Confessionals to share a range of experiences, including an occasion when he witnessed a very real and physical church appear seemingly out of nowhere while hunting deep in the woods. Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinSPONSORSGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGet Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5CONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaITikTok: @theconfessionalsDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkel

Merkel. Media. I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine? Out of a Dolorian? Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves.

Time travel is possible. Welcome to Reloaded Money, everybody. We have the disappearing church of the Woods episode 64, taking it way back into Time Machine, and that's because this is an oldie, but a goodie. I talked to Seth on this episode. He talked about different things, but the thing that really stood out to me during this episode was the disappearing church of the woods, where it appears and disappears right

in front of you. I dig it. Where were you the first time you heard this episode? Okay. I reload it. He slithered over to make me. And this giant comes out of the cave, and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant.

Well, the giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. And I look over, and there are two small. Underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. It's almost like they're unzippering our reality.

They pick their heads through it, and they look around, and if it looks like the coast is clear, they step through the rest of the direction. If you pick the head, you get the whole package. If you don't pick the head off, then what happens is they disappear? This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed with no one was close to talk about it. I look over to my left at the far side of the room, and there's Jack, and he's got blood on his face. He looks at me, and he just says one word. word. Oops.

I couldn't kill any teeth longer than most people have heard. I'm in this bush, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe. And I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody. You are listening to The Confessionals, a proud featured show of blog talk radio.com. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here.

If you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionals Podcast. at gmail.com. That's the Confessionals podcast at gmail.com. Or you can go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the connection section,

and you can reach me that way as well. Now, this week we bring on Seth to the show, and Seth has a lot of different encounters that he'd like to share with us, but the one that really caught me and my ear is when he talked about being in the woods, hunting, and he sees a church totally appear right before him, and he watches it for about 20 minutes,

and then it disappears. very fascinating show and I'm excited to present it to you tonight. So hang in there with me and we'll get right into it right after this. Okay, tonight I have a good guest coming on here. I got Seth. Seth, how you doing, man? I'm doing great. Good, man. So you and I were just talking a little bit about some of the details that you emailed me about.

And you got a lot of different stuff to cover here tonight. So I hope everybody kind of buckles up and, you know, is in for a ride here. Just, you know, lean back, turn down the lights a little bit, you know, and just turn up the confessions because you're in for a good treat tonight. Let's start off here tonight with your haunted warehouse experience. Now, you said that you worked in this warehouse and you've had experiences. Is that right? That is correct.

Yes, sir. All right. So why don't you just kind of walk us into, you know, what you've experienced while you were working there? Well, I went to work at the warehouse in about 2005. Yeah, about 2005. Actually, if you look at a map downtown downtown, Fort Smith, Arkansas, it's actually a couple blocks from the gallows that, you know, there's the courthouse and where the hanging Judge Parker, you know, presided, and then there's gallows there where they

used to hang. If anybody remembers, the Plenicewood movie, you hang them high, that's the, you know, he would take them back to the Fort Smith. And so, but I got a job working. It was working. I mean, it was really great. I was trying to go, trying to do college and, you know, I was in the Army Reserves. And so it just, everything worked together.

The scheduling and everything worked out perfectly. It was a good job for me. But it's not just, I mean, it's an old warehouse. building was actually inside this warehouse they built huge refrigeration rooms and so they had hired and basically i have a little office um that i'd be in and every 30 minutes i would kind of get out and kind of walk the perimeter and check the gauges in different rooms to and also kind of be the uh the nose looking for an ammonia leak, you know, in case one broke out. Lucky you.

Yeah. Well, it's one way if you know there's a leak. You get out of quick. And it was one of, it was an area of town that literally used to be the red light district. As a matter of fact, it's next to the visitor center, which openly used to be a cat house. I mean, they're very open. You go in there's a little. museum and they talked about like the coins and all that and how it all worked.

But I got hard on and, you know, once work got, once the workers got off, I would be the only one, you know, on site. And, you know, probably a couple weeks in, I'd notice that, you know, there was like, you have to understand the office set up. there was an office I was in, and then there was an office off of that. And so I would notice that, like, because, you know, be headphones, listen to music, or I'd be reading or whatever between my little 30-minute walks. But that office door would open and close. Yeah, like, I would leave to do my check, and that door would be closed. Well, when I come back, it would be open.

And, you know, I just kept saying, like, hey, this is weird. and but I'm not going to jump to conclusions and say, you know, it's ghost or it's this or it's that. But what really got my attention was I walked into a room and there's a lot of machinery so you have to put on earmuffs. I walked in and I was writing down and gauge readings. And I felt like a hand to put on my shoulder and kind of pull like somebody's getting my attention. Every now and then, because there's enough stuff with computer. that there is a maintenance technician that would periodically come out because the computer would alert him and he'd come out and check to see what the problem was. So I thought that he was the only, that he came in and he was just getting my attention.

So, you know, very distinctly felt the hand, you know, pull on me. And I turned around expecting to see the maintenance guy and there's nobody there. and I was like what I mean the door to the room was locked it was a key lock and I'm like oh my gosh

so I finished checks and that's when I started paying a lot more attention and just I said that door would be open and closed there is a big there's a hallway outside the office

and there is a big window where I could see out into the hall and was in there and I heard running footsteps come down the hall. And so I stood up and looked because there shouldn't be anybody in here.

And the sound of the footsteps came running by that window but nobody was there. I mean, so I came out in the hall and the foot, I mean, basically followed these footsteps and they ran around a couple of corners and then through what was now wall, but there used to be a doorway there.

And then, let's see what, another time I was in there and felt a hand grabbed my ankle. It didn't pull, it just distinctly felt somebody kind of grabbed my ankle. And that one kind of really freak because it's initial, like your one, walking, you feel the hand, and it's like, somebody trying to, like, trip me or... But again, like, it happened. I got a couple friends hired on there doing the same job. You know, we would relieve each other, and I'd warn them.

I would say, look, yeah, I've been, I've been touched, but nothing seems to be hurting me or attempting to hurt me. I said, so don't panic. and they would talk about the same thing. There's motion sensors that would go off and the security, they'd be inside the refrigeration. And, yeah, the security company would call,

hey, we have a motion sensor, can you please go in there? So I have to don't on the freezer gear and go walk through. And it would be an empty room, but something was setting off the motion sensors. there. And it's just, but it got to the point where I just got used to it. I got used to, you know, doors open and closing, got used to, I would hear thumping

and bumping inside the, the freezers, which would sound like somebody is moving around in there, moving boxes around. And, again, sensors would go off. I'd go in. nothing's moved. It was just, I got used to, but it kind of peaked.

There is, there's a rail car. And actually, the workers hadn't left that's particular night. There's a rail car full of dry ice. It was brought down

and it was up against the building. And you know how dry ice does that little fog stuff? Right. Yeah. It, um,

well, it was coming. out and it was, you know, spreading out over this little section of track alongside the warehouse. And it was spreading out, but as I was walking, hitting my door, you know, going indoors and stuff, I'd come, you know, I noticed that it started to, like, come together. So I kind of stopped and just watched. And it literally, that started spiraling up. And, you know, again, I just kind of sit there and watched it, and it formed a shape of a woman wearing, like, a Victorian-style dress.

And all I could think of was, you know, I was kind of the starving college shoot it. I didn't really have the, you know, family supporting me. I mean, literally, you know, it's like I was scraping by. And so I didn't have, you know, which I only think they had cell phones with. you know, pictures on about it. It was just one of those, you know, I wasn't carrying a lot of high-tech stuff to get evidence of it.

So I can think of it was like, I wish I had a camera or something, the staff picture of this. And, you know, went into my next door and made my checks and then came out and the dry ice fog stuff

was back, you know, doing its normal thing and spreading out over the track. Wow. And it was just, it was active. I mean, you couldn't go. There is, like, I would talk to the other guards because periodically, you know, we would usually come on.

You'd be there probably about 30 minutes as, you know, my first 30 minutes would be the last guy, the guy that I'm replacing his last 30 minutes. And so most would talk about. it. Yeah, just their experiences. You know, when they only grabbed, someone saw it looked like something in the dark in the hallway, like, come running at them, which they freaked out and took off. I mean, like, I think they, if I remember correct, it's been a few years, I think they called the boss and said, hey, I'm sick, I'm going home. It just, you know, it freaked them out. But there was one old man that just swore up and down.

He was like, nope, nothing strange going on. All right. Hmm. So this was a common thing amongst everybody. You guys all talked about your experiences together? Yes, sir. Okay. So, I mean, it's not like you were the only one.

Like, it's not like you were being targeted per se. It was just the whole place was active and everybody was having these experiences, except for the old guy who didn't want to admit it, right? right yeah okay uh when you saw the the fog spiral up into the woman in a Victorian dress uh you said you went and finished your checks and when you came back out it was gone right dude how did you have the guts to just keep working man because like if i saw that i would be freaking out man was that was that your first time seeing an apparition of an actual person that that was my first time yes yeah there um that was my first time seeing apparition there um but by then

like said i've been grabbed i'd heard you know enough noises i just like i said i really came the conclusion whatever you know whatever it or they are they're not out to hurt me or they can't hurt me so yeah because i mean you did say that earlier it seems like the more time you spent in there the more you kind of got numb to the whole idea of what was going on around you. Is that right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay.

I mean, it's kind of like, I used to have a job where I used to be a parking enforcement officer for a local city around here. And I'll tell you, like, before I went to work every day, I would be praying that I'd be able to punch out at the end of the day because it was a dangerous job. Like, I've had guns pulled on me and things like that. And I eventually got just numb. to the whole idea of what I was doing from a day-to-day basis where, like, I would say my prayer before I started work kind of thing, but once I got out there, it was just old hat.

Like, you just didn't really realize the dangers of what the job was. And I imagine it's probably the same thing that you had. You know, it's just after a while, it's just it's old hat. That's it. I mean, exactly. It's just, same old, Sam, it's, that my only regret, honestly, is that I didn't have some sort of video camera or something. You know, like, GoPro wasn't around that. Like, if it had been around, I could have, you know, carried it with me to work and tried to document some of the stuff.

Yeah, absolutely. Now, you said you were grabbed twice, right? Right. Now, how did you feel when that happened, man? Like, when you actually feel something grabbing you? and you realize that there's nothing there? Like, what does your gut feel like? Like, what was going on in your mind and your gut?

Like, were you terrified? Or were you just like, oh, there's that entity. It's being a jokester again? I was startled. I mean, truly startled, especially the first time, you know, the hand on the shoulder because I was fully expecting the maintenance guy. Yeah. And the second time, it was.

was more of, again, startled, but more that, it kind of put me a little more on guard the second time because, like I said, my ankle, I didn't feel any tugging on my ankle. I just felt the singly the hand grabbed my ankle and it was just like, you know, it's almost this. It's like, all right, is, am I dealing with something that's trying to cross the line and now hurt me or something? But it's just, man. It's, I don't, I mean, it's one of those, I mean, there's a little bit of fear there, but I just, like, I'm, I'm just stubborn and I've got a job to do, and I'm going to do it. You know, I need this job to buy my ramen noodles, you know? Yeah.

Yeah, I can understand that, man. I mean, bottom line is you need to do a job and you're going to do it. And you just got to deal with the environment you're given. So I totally get that. Now, this warehouse that you were in, now you were said in the beginning, kind of like how old it was and everything. Do you know what the warehouse was originally used for?

Not off the top of my head. I mean, you could tell by design, I mean, it was an older warehouse. But it was literally built where the red light district used to be. And so literally, you know, you mean, if gone like back 100 years, there'd been a bunch of whorehouses there and just, or cat houses or whatever they called them. I mean, just, and they're very open.

Like, so you go to, because I went, I've gone to the visitor museum because I'm a history nut. I mean, I thoroughly enjoy history. But you would go in there and there's like some old pictures on the wall of, about that, you know, kind of where that area was that. And there was literally just row after row of, you know, cat houses. So that area is a pretty active area. I mean, it's like as far as marshals and back when Oklahoma was Indian territory slash outlaw territory, which is, you know, Fort Smith was a, you know, historically was a pretty active area.

And even during the Civil War, there was several, like, Civil War battles fought around that area, too. And so the forts, I mean, see, the, I remember correct, there for a while the, and I could be wrong, but I think there for a while, like, Union Forces captured Fort Smith and then the, the Confederates, Confederate still had the Oklahoma side, and so there for a while, their artillery would just fire at each other and just kind of duels, which also just down the river, because, again, a few blocks, there are the islands out there where it was illegal in the state in that area to have duels. but people would go out and have, you know, pistol duels and, you know,

over issues and would kill each other at on this island. I mean, it was just, it was a pretty, pretty active area. The,

just a lot of history there. Yeah, sure. I mean, it definitely sounds like and it kind of makes sense with everything that you're experiencing.

And especially like, the grabbing, It makes you wonder, I mean, if you're in the red light districts and stuff, I mean, it just makes you wonder what was grabbing you. Was it, you know, an entity of, you know, an old hooker grab me saying, hey, buddy, you know, like, you look good in your uniform, you know? You know, it's just, it just makes you wonder, you know, what you were dealing with. But it's definitely interesting stuff, man, that you had going on there. I want to move on a little bit here, if that's okay with you. I mean, you have some really.

interesting topics to cover. Some I've obviously heard before, but some of them I have not. And I kind of want to dive into this medieval church that you wrote me about first off, because when I read that in the email, I thought it was just, it grabbed me, man. I was just like, what is this about? So you're in the woods, you're hunting, and you see this church, right? So, I mean, walk us into what happened? Okay. There's a, there's a spot. I like to hunt, and I still like to hunt, and I go out there. I'm not always successful, but it's just really beautiful, and it's pretty, and yeah, I've seen a lot of deer, and I've seen a few hogs in that area as well. And basically, I'm sitting up on a point on this hill, and I'm looking down a saddle, which for those that don't know,

If you have two hills and there's kind of a ridge line that connects them, but it kind of dips down, that's called a saddle. So, but at the time, the under, like the brush growth wasn't quite as thick plus two. It was fall. A lot of foliage had fallen. And so I could see pretty far down it. And so I'm sitting up on a stand. actually my stand was like this big rock that's out there. I mean, it's freaking huge.

But I was sitting up there. And I was watching down it. And just, I was 17 years old, just sitting there, just, you know, enjoying the afternoon. And it's kind of afternoon. And there's, you know, I describe it as like a small medieval church based. off of kind of the way it looked. Basically it appeared in front of me. It was about 60 yards down, and it was on this saddle.

And what threw me, a lot of it threw me, but it was like physically, where was that structurally? It shouldn't have been there. And, yeah, I sat there and looked at it, and I could see details. I mean, it was made of stone. It was like a gray stone. had windows that kind of squared up down at the bottom but they kind of as they went up a little bit they kind of arched up into a I call like a rounded triangle type does that make sense

yeah I know what you mean um you know and I could see the windows on it um I want to say because there were trees there um so I want to say that there was probably at least eight because I was I wasn't looking at it, Den Oz. It was almost like caddy corner. I could see the front of it, but I could see the side real clear. And it appeared, and I'm looking at the, it had about, I want to sit by about eight windows. And I'm just kind of guessing because there are some trees and stuff in the way on that one side. And, I mean, I could see detail, even from where I was at, because it seemed to be pretty solidly built.

I could tell some detail on the rocks. And the light was coming in enough. I could actually see a little bit inside of the building. And, I mean, I just sat there. Tony, I just had there and looked at it. I mean, I had my 30-30. I really wasn't sure about it. but it was one of those cases of like it's weird but kind of really and there's part of me

that's indecisive about what to do and then there's part of me that was just kind of am I really seeing this I mean I rubbed my eyes I kind of you know pinched myself like all right yeah I'm I'm seeing this you know I kind of looked away looked back okay it's still there and basically sat there and watched to see if something, you know, something would come out of it or someone would come out of it. But there's no noise in it, so I know there's nothing in there to make me think. I didn't see anything moving inside from, you know, from the angle, you know, looking into the building. But I could just, it was just, in some ways it seemed unreal. but after looking at for about 20 minutes I heard some rustling off to the left of me and I looked because also I hadn't forgotten why I was there you know every time I mean anybody's done any hunting if you hear some kind of rustling or some footsteps off to the left you know you're deep down you're hoping it's like bugzilla or something you know looked off towards the noise and didn't see anything I looked at things I looked at

back down and the church was gone. And, yeah, I went ahead and stayed up there until it got dark and I left. And I came back the next day and I came back a little bit early and actually walked down to, you know, where I saw it and kind of looked at the ground and the train. and really just the I think part of me was wondering, you know, is there something physically left over here, like a sign that it's there? And didn't see anything. So I went back up and got back on my stand there.

And then later on that day, I had a buck come by. and, you know, the classic hunter mistake got excited. You know, boy, it was a nice rack, man, Tony was a nice rack, and a jerked trigger shot over its back, and it took off running down the hill. Like I said, that church, I talked to my dad and talked to my grandpa about it, and they didn't really have an answer for me. I mean, it certainly my grandpa, I think he believed me. my dad probably wouldn't sure.

My grandpa believed me, but they didn't have any explanation, didn't off or anything. It was years later, we're talking about old, with some people, and we're talking about old stories and legends about this area. And there was a story about a hunter, being out in the woods. and carried a noise, and he saw a Native American with a musket. They said kind of dressed up and really old guards kind of look at him and said, then this native stepped off behind this rock, and so the hunter went up there and said, you know,

the native wasn't there, there was no sign, and there was no way that that native could have, you know, gotten away without the hunter seeing it. So, I mean, I just, I don't know. It's one of those things. I keep, you know, every now that I come back to it, and mentally, I just think about it and think about what I saw and scratch my head. And I don't know. All right. So when you saw this thing,

you said that it was sitting in an area where it doesn't make sense, like it shouldn't be able to, you know, be built. When you were looking at it, did it seem like it was like very solidly sitting where it was, you know, where you were seeing it? You know, in the moment, when you were looking at this thing, when you were looking at it, did it look like it was, you know, solidly built where it was sitting?

Solid, it looked settled. I mean, from where, where is that, it looked like there was, you know, I mean, it was on flat ground, which, you know, it shouldn't have been, but, I mean, it looked solid. Okay. Yeah, because, I mean, I find this really fascinating. Now, when you were sitting in your tree stand, did you see this thing up here right before your eyes, or was it something like you look over to your left and when you look back to your right,

all of a sudden it's there? it for lack of better term it's like it matured it wasn't instant but it wasn't real slow either it's almost like a medium like it like you know i'm looking down at a draw looking at empty you know you know through trees and all that and then like it started to appear and like it took about a couple seconds i mean and then it was there and it was solid Okay, so forgive me for my lack of imagination here, but in your classical, you know, ghost movie, and you start seeing something appear before your eyes, and it takes like two, three seconds, but you see this figure, image slowly appearing, and all of a sudden, you know, the ghost is there, and it looks like a real person. Is that kind of how the same thing that this happened? Like, it was like a slow appearance, like it just kind of materialized in front of you? That's how happened. Like I said, it took, I mean, it looked.

literally about two, three seconds. I mean, it's, but it appeared. And, I mean, I remember there was even a moment of, where I was just,

I mean, I think I, I literally said, like, what the? I mean, as I'm looking at, and the trees and stuff

disappearing behind it, I mean, and I'm seeing the rock and, and just, it appeared. And I couldn't see, further, you know, I couldn't see past it. No.

So how far were you from any buildings whatsoever? Now, you're out there hunting. Like, how far were you from, like, maybe, say, the closest town with any significant buildings? I'm not, you know, if there's a shack here or there, obviously that's not what I'm thinking of.

Right. You know, how far distance-wise were you from any real buildings? Probably as the crow flies, I was probably about, I mean, literally as a crow flying, I was probably about three-quarters a mile, because I wasn't that far from the boundaries of the state park. And so, yeah, three-quarters of a mile, probably as the crow flies. Okay, well, let's just take a break right now, and when we come back, we'll jump right

back into it, Seth. So just hang in there with me. Drunk Mysteries is a podcast where two men, Ben Betesky and John Napziger, explore history's most upsetting mysteries while getting extremely drunk of a variety of alcohols. Drunk Mysteries is a podcast and it wants you to listen to it while your brave and handsome hosts explore mysteries so disturbing and severe that you may question your reality. Join us at Drunk Mysteries. So, I mean, with this whole thing, I mean, you've had a long time to think about this 20 plus years. All right. And or at least almost 20 years, I'd just to say.

But with your time thinking about this, you know, have you ever come up with any kind of idea or theories on how this was possible? I mean, like, people see, you know, hauntings where like a ghost appears in front of them. People see UFOs. And I know we'll get to your, you have a UFO encounter too. but, like, you don't hear people say that buildings appear right in front of them out in the middle of the woods. Like, that's a very rare thing. And, in fact, I've never talked to anybody who's seen something like you have.

And how do you wrap your mind around that after the last almost 20 years of this experience in your mind? The closest theory I've come up with, and I based it off of something that happened to me, I was really young. It's like, again, as I told you before I started, I am a Christian. I believe there's a God and I believe, you know. And so when I think about the scope of, you know, eternity and God, I think that, you know, it's almost like God and spiritually, it's almost like it's outside of timeline. And so then, like, if you were to take, like, a sheet or something and lay it down from one end to another and stand separate, you know, there'd be a timeline on the sheet that you're separate from that timeline.

Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, that's kind of how I think with God and another probably people have disagreed with me out there. and that's fine. This is just what I think that. Anyways, and so I think at times that maybe it's not even like paper, it's almost like waves or something. Maybe, maybe two points, kind of like two distinct different points of times, like the sheet or maybe waves or whatever kind of roll up and they get close. And it's almost like, you know, I can, we can see details on that sheet,

and possibly they can see details on our sheet. And I've read a lot of stories about sailors, like way back when, you know, on these old sailing ships, they would talk out in the mist. They would look on a shore line, and they would see buildings or outlines or people. Or in some cases, they'd even see life. And then you talk to people today, and they'd talk to people today, and they'd. talk about seeing in the mist old, you know, sailing vessels, you know. And so I'm just, that's my think.

And so then, but then that, for me, in the case of the church, that opens like a, and I'm calling a church, it may not be a church, but, you know, I'm calling it, um, then it opens up, but, okay, if I'm looking at a different time, because that was an older structure than what you see. should be here. And then also, why was, you know, terrain-wise, what happened to the change of terrain here? But sometimes all that does is kind of leave me into more questions. And I don't think I'm ever going to get an answer on it. I would say probably not. But, you know, because that's what I was thinking, too. I mean, the terrain that you saw this, you know, doesn't really typically hold any kind of structure or the idea of any kind of structures being there at one time. So, I mean, not only are you possibly witnessing some kind of time lapse, but you're also witnessing maybe a time lapse that has actually moved physical locations, you know, like, did the earth, are things different than

they were back then? So, like, physically, like geographically, was that saddle there or was it not there? You know, like, and how is that even possible? Because if you see a church, building that's that's built that's relatively new in the grand scheme of the time and we would have had record document of geographical dramatic changes if that was the case you know right but on that note have you ever heard of rockwall texas mince it's a town's place it's outside of dallas i don't think so okay well can google it in your time but essentially underground i forget how many feet there is a rock wall. And if memories are, it's been a while since I've read up or anything on it.

But it's a underground, it's a square shape. It's, they've determined how many feet or meters tall it is. I mean, it's a thick rock wall. It's really funny because you watch some experts try to explain how it would naturally appear there. but it's like in a definite man-made shape, but it's like all underground now. And so it kind of raises the question of what used to be there? And why and who built a wall?

And what were they trying to keep out or what were they trying to keep in? And so I say that to say this, I mean, you know, they had no clue about that until, by I was digging down and found this. And so, I mean, as old as the earth is, I mean, in truth, I mean, I don't know, you know, four, five, six thousand years ago what all was going on here. Right. And, you know, I'm quickly looking at this right now as you're talking about it. Do you know how deep this rock wall goes, like underground?

Like, first of all, I guess, you know, how deep, but also how big is this thing? Do you know how big they say it is? Not off the top of my head, but if I remember correct, it's been a few years and literally I've had a deployment since I've looked it up. My understanding, it's big enough to circle the town of Rockwall very easily. So, I mean, think of like a city size. Wow. Okay. I find it really interesting because whenever you find these ancient, and I'll just call it an ancient structure because we don't know what else to call it, I guess. But I mean, you find these walls that are, you know, underground and we don't know where it came from, but clearly it was built by someone or something. I mean, it does. It shows that there was some actual civilization here in our long time past. And I'd be very interested to hear, you know, what. the idea is about how old this structure is. I mean, is it old enough to be from the Native Americans

or does it date back before that? Because, you know, like, we have the stories of the Native Americans fighting these giants in our country. And so, like, it makes you wonder, you know, is this something to do with the giants that were here at one time? You know, because how big are these walls? Because, I mean, it makes you wonder. Like, the Native Americans, you know, they didn't build these kind of structure. As far as I know, they didn't build. big structures like that. They were, you know, more simplistic, from what I understand, than that. And so the idea of Native Americans building such a big wall, I don't know, it doesn't make

sense to me, but I could be totally wrong on that. I don't know. Yeah. And then also there's, I mean, I personally believe, you know, based off, you know, stuff I've read that, yeah, that there was probably trade. you know, a thousand years ago, easy, 2,000 years. There was trade here because they were testing, they tested the hair on Egyptian mummies,

and they came up positive for marijuana. Yeah, it was just... They were rolling dubies back then. Yeah, at that time, it was only growing over here. And they, I mean, you just, every now and then they'll talk about finding ancient, you know, ancient pots, you know, from a shipwreck off the coast.

The coolest thing I found, I found this, again, my last deployment. Because I was in Iraq and where we weren't running missions, I had a wife and a kid at home. So really tight budget. So I spent a lot of time just, you know, search around online or I read it, gosh, I read a ton of books. I was over there, too.

But I came across a story about a monk. and he lived something like he lived in the jungles in South America and Native American or the natives that he was ministering to would bring him treasure and he was truly a monk and he knew what it was worse on the outside world but he just he put in the backroom he was dedicated to his mission a simple life. And there's,

pictures of him. Like, he's an, he's an old man, and he's in this room with, you know, these guys, and they're taking a picture, and he's shown them. I mean, there's, like, tall, like, silver statues,

but he's showing different things, but I swear this, like, relic he's looking, he's holding, was something from Babylon. I mean, it was, like, the man, the lion head, it literally looked like

something from Babylon. and you know it was something that you don't you know you don't associate with you know central South America you know as far as ancient but like when the monk died the natives came in and they hid like they took all of it and they hit it because their explanation when officials came in to you know steal it pretty much was that belongs to him it's not yours and he didn't give it to you so

you know you're never going to get it and so but what I'll do is I'll dig around and see if I can find it and if I can remember what the monk's name and I'll send you the picture of that article

but I'm just convinced that there's been I mean trade between this side of the Atlantic with the other side Yeah, and it's not something that I dismiss at all. I mean, I definitely think that's possible. And like I mentioned earlier about the whole Giants thing, like I don't think giants originated here. I think that they came from another land and they came here. So how'd that happen and when did it happen? And, you know, you can go in all these different theories on that and stuff. But anyways, kind of rewinding here back to your experience. By the way, that was just fascinating stuff. When you told me about the Rockwall, I looked it up and I'm going to be. digging into that a little bit later on the night.

But, um, so you're talking about this church that appears in the middle of nowhere. Now, you said it was like an older structure. Did, was it like, like a cathedral? Or was it like more like a, like an old town church with a steeple? Yeah, it looked like something from a, uh, it didn't have, it actually didn't have a steeple. Um, but like the from the shape of the windows and the shape of the structure. It seemed like one common room, and it would have been rectangular shape. The roof, I want to say, it was like a thatched roof.

I mean, it looked old from where I was sitting. But with the design of the windows and stuff, I could see where it's well-ventilated. It seemed like something you would find maybe in like a medieval village. you know, where not that many people are going to be in there, but, you know, they wanted, I guess, something substantial, you know, something solid built out of stone. But there wasn't actually a steeple on it. But, you know, like with the shape of the windows and everything,

that's kind of what I associated with as a church. Okay. I mean, to be honest, I'm not 100% sure it was a church. no yeah i get it i mean you like you said that earlier and stuff i mean it's just kind of the closest thing you could describe it to uh you know i guess one of my last i guess i guess i could i guess my last question with this is you know how long were you looking at this thing now you described it in good detail so i mean you must have had some time looking at it uh and then you just said that you kind of looked away when you looked back it was gone so you didn't see it dissipate

uh but how long did you actually look at this thing was it sitting there about 20 because I had a wristwatch with me, Tony. I look at that thing, it was, I think, like, 21, 20, 21 minutes, something like that. I mean. Wow. Now, in that 20 or 21 minutes that you were watching this thing, did it ever cross your mind? Did you ever get the urge to climb down and go check this thing out? It did cross my mind, especially, like, 10 minutes into it.

but, you know, and I had, I had my 30, I mean, I had a 30 30 with me. So, I mean, it's like, but it was just one of those cases of, if I go down there and touch it or step into it, you know, I think even, you know, it's just in the back of my mind, like, and it disappears or goes wherever it comes from, is it going to take me with it? Yeah, so. Yeah, like a time traveling church. I mean, seriously? Yeah. I mean... Wow.

Yeah, like I'm comfortable. I got a good advantage if something bad comes out of it. I can plug it from this distance, but I'll just sit back and watch it. See what happens. Yeah, man. That's just... Wow, that's fascinating. It's fascinating.

Now, I mean, if it was me... I mean, I can't say for sure what I would do, but, God, I think the curiosity would kill me. And I think I would just, I would have to get closer at least. I mean, cautiously, but my Lord, I mean, that's just insane stuff, man. I thank you for sharing that because when you sent that to me in the email, I was like, what the heck? It's crazy. So you're in the woods and you're hunting. You see the church.

Now, since we're in the woods, is that where you saw the Bigfoot activity? I saw the Bigfoot activity, you know, in the woods, actually in this general area. But it wasn't in that spot because my first, you know, cross with what I believe, I really do believe it was a Bigfoot was when I was actually. 16 is a and actually no I was just fixing

and turn 16 because I didn't have my license yet but um you know live in the state park and I would go for a walk every night because I was

homeschooled and we lived up in this state park you know my parents got a wonderful job but there was nothing for me to do and so every night

I'll go for a walk. I'd pray a little bit, but mainly just walk, get out of the house, because I could tell you before, you know, there's only one TV in the house. And my dad had control the remote.

You know, and so what else am I doing? We'll go out and go for a walk at night. You know, just kill time and get a little exercise. But, and actually, my parents had a Cocker Spaniel.

and so his name was boomer my dad's a Sooner's fan and so I would take Boomer you know on a leash because you know boomer the the wonder dog would take off running after every varmint and I just did not one I learned early on keep him on a leash or I'm going to be chasing him through the woods trying to get it back and so I was walking along and there is a day use only road on this loop that I'd walk. And I had, by this point, I was so used to walk in and comfortable

enough out in the woods that literally I could walk it without flashlight and be fine. But I had the really those small maglites but with the old maglites.

You know, it's one LED. It was like the old bulb and the battery is real weak. I mean it barely lit up. you know, boomer when he was at my feet. But I brought it kind of as a, just in case, you know, I needed to potentially try to light something up, but, you know, I was walking. We cut down this day-use-only road.

Now, the locals call this area Outlaw crossing. That's because there's a low spot, and there's a trail that cuts up through the state park. and the outlaws across there, across the river there, there's a stone steps carved into the mountain. And the legend is actually Conquithadors carved, or had the steps carved by Indians they enslaved, or tried to enslave.

It didn't work out real well for them. But so the outlaws would ride their horses down this ridge. You know, there's this little ridge up above, and they'd ride down these stone steps and they'd cross the river there. And so there is a tree, and it's kind of funny because, you know, the dog would piss on the tree and then I would also, you know,

kind of would stop beside the pee, I would, you know, take a fist there. And the dog, I mean, I swear it was a nightly routine. It's kind of funny in hindsight. right. But the dog comes up to the tree and he starts acting real weird. And like almost like excited but nervous. And so I mean I'm shining the light down at Boomer. I'm like, boomer, what is the deal? What's going on?

And then her noise and it was off to my right and I shined over and lit up a pair of red. eyes. Now, I was on a little bit of a rise above the road. And so I think it was like a foot and a half drop to the road. And where the eyes were at, it actually dropped down a little bit more. And so, but the eyes were taller than me. And so it had to be like eight, eight and a half feet tall. I mean, lit up the eyes. And when the last, it was, it had to be like eight, eight and a half feet tall. I mean, lit up the eyes. And when the light hit the eyes, it slowly backed up. I mean, the light

was so weak. All I was seeing eyes. But it slowly backed up, and it turned around. And I can tell you, it walked off. And at the time, I really wasn't sure. And so I was just like, Boomer,

we're just going to have to hit this tree later, buddy. We're going. We're calling it in a night and so we're We didn't run, but we walked, I mean, straight back to us. We didn't finish our loop. And I told my family, I said, yeah, there's all some red eyes out there. And my dad said, well, you know, it could have been a rat or something. I think you thought, like, I meant a shine red eyes kind of low of the ground.

I didn't really tell them how tall it was. and so at the time I really wasn't sure and then it wasn't until uh well I was several years later I was at a cabin and some people had had a or the cabin owners that paid me uh kind of cut down some brush and stuff and so where the cabin can be seen from the road and we're talking like a two-day project. Got there with a chainsaw, cutting it low, and what I call what I call loppers, just cutting everything low and then having to set fire and, you know, pile it up and

just burn it down. There's enough cabins around there that, and I'm just nervous enough about fire, that if I get a fire going, I'm not leaving until it's the fire burns down. And so, um, especially with those cabins like, I don't want, you know, small fire break down. And I'm, you know, a couple million in debt because, you know, X amount of cabins burned in this area because. Right. And so, um, I was out there.

I had, uh, at a friend's, uh, uh, pit, he had a 12, head shotgun with a pistol grip. Now, he had loaned to me to actually do some work on, and it was kind of in rough shape and kind of got it cleaned up. And he, anyways, all I had in it was, because the worst thing I was expecting was snakes. And anyways, went out there and, you know, fire's burning, and it's starting to burn, and it's starting to burn down low. There's a creek going behind the cabin. And all I had was like one of those big gold cups. And so I walked down in the cabin and I'm scooping up water and I'm

starting to soak the area around where the fire was burning. And mentally cussing myself because it did not mean be out there so late. So I didn't have a flashlight with me. And also wishing I'd had a broad of water hose. So I could have made this job a lot. easier. But as I'm going back down to this cabin, or back to his creek behind this cabin, probably after a few minutes of doing that, there was this smell that came wafting down from the cabin, or not the cabin, from up behind the other cabin next to us, but it was like upstream. and it was a horrible smell,

but I've been kind of having a feeling that I was being watched and nobody was saying in these cabins. And, but I've been out in the woods enough. I know that, you know, like, hey, there's always some critter or, you know, raccoon, something's watching me. But when that smell hit, it kind of almost gave me a direction.

I started kind of looking off you know, towards that direction, but I just kept scoop of water and back and forth. I started making me nervous enough that I walked over and I, um, my truck was parked over kind of in the, the start of the driveway, the cabin. And I went ahead and turned it on, got it going and turned on the headlight. So it kind of clearly light up my path to the creek now. It was still dark by the creek. but I could still kind of see my light or my path.

After doing that, the smell went away. So I just kind of shrugged it off. Finished thoroughly soaking the area around where this fire was at. And I think I went ahead and shut off the trucks. I didn't need the lights on anymore. But I had left that shotgun in the back. bedded my truck. And I was kind of

leaned up against my tailgate looking at the fire, just kind of mentally debating on when I was going to leave that area. And across the road behind me, I very clearly heard

like a stick snapping. It wasn't like a small little twigs. It was like a pretty good six, thick, clean snaps. And I scared the snod at it. I jumped and out of reflex. I grabbed that, that 12-gauge shotgun

and chambered around. And I was just looking off in the dark, darkness facing the road. And that's when it's like two and two. I start to come together. I'm like, okay, that's... there was a smell, had this feeling being watched,

and something just broke. It sounded like, I mean, it's almost like intentionally snapped right across the road. So I'm like, that's why I was saying like might be a,

might be a big foot here. And then it's like realizing, okay, granted, I have a shotgun, but I have, you know, I was preparing for,

you know, freaking snakes. So, all I've got is all I'm going to do if I shoot it if I get attacked I'm going to do

is just maybe there might be blood for the dog to trail you know trail it but I mean all this was going

through my mind but it's like this ain't going to do nothing except piss it off but just kind of stood there and just kind of kept

scanning the darkness I didn't hear any steps or anything like that but after about a minute or too, because you'd have to understand that, because like, basically I was looking into the woods, which is on its road, but barely short, shortly after you, like, stepping into those woods, it starts to go uphill.

And then I heard further up the hill, and very loud, like, someone took, like, a small tree and clean, I mean, snap or a big limb. and it's a huge crunch snap. I mean, just real loud, real distinct. And, you know, but there's no crashing of it hitting the ground. Like you would expect a limb that big to fall. You'd expect to hear it fall and hit the ground. Nothing.

It was just real loud crunch. But it was further up the hill. And I got a sense. It's almost like it was just letting me know that it's moving away. And at that point, I'm like, this far as burned down enough, I think I'm going to go ahead and go. Yeah. So, I left. But after that, that's when I actually kind of, you know, just kind of two and two, I got to think about my previous experience, about the red eyes and about the heights.

And, yeah, it was just like, I'm on the bed. It's a big foot, you know. And I've got a friend that. really big into it to me. I texted him. I said, dude, you're not going to believe what happened. And he goes, dude, he came back, I'm telling you. He says,

that was a big foot. But, you always don't want to talk about the most awful stench. Man, I've smelled skunks. I've smelled some pretty nasty roadkill out here.

I've just, and they're, that's a distinct smell. And actually, since my employment, I've smelt dead people. And then I've also felt the burning of trash and of, you know, overseas. And we're out in the middle of nowhere out in these little fobs and check, you know, we call it RRPs radio relay points. You know, we'd have to burn, you know, our own crap twice a day.

You know, the thing like Jarhead where he's stirring the pot as is burning. I mean, I've even smelled that smell. I'd tell you right now, there's no smell. I've smelled many smells, bad smells in my life, but there's none like what I smelled that night. Okay, yeah, I got you. So we're going to take our final break of the show, and when we come back, we'll jump right back into things with Seth.

Stay with us, everybody. You describe some very common things that people describe in Bigfoot encounters. When it comes to the red eyes, could you tell how far apart the eyes were from each other? Good question. I never really thought about it. I mean, they were far apart. If I had to guess in gauging distance, I would say probably somewhere around like six inches. Okay.

I mean, that would be clearly large. to say the least. Now, all right, so you got red eyes. You got to stink. You know, I listen to a lot of different cryptic encounters and paranormal stuff. And, you know, there's things that cross over, you know, to different subjects. And I know a lot of times people like keep containing things. Like, oh, dog man is this and Bigfoot's that and ghosts are this.

And let's not cross the lines. But, I mean, just a simple idea. Where else do you hear about red eyes? You hear about red eyes where people see demons. Where do you hear about the stench? Well, you hear about the stench, you know, when it comes to dogman sometimes. And so where do you hear about the seclusion where they want to let you know they're there without you actually seeing them? Well, that's also dog man as well.

Now, granted, a lot of dog man encounters are in your face, aggressive and scary as heck. But there have been, you know, these similar. similarities. And it just makes me wonder sometimes. I talk to, you know, West Ghermer about this kind of stuff a lot. And, you know, it just makes you wonder, are we missing something? Is there relatable things on all ends of the perspective here that kind of tie into each other? I don't know. But it's very interesting, especially like when you say about the red eyes and stuff. Because I personally have seen, they weren't red eyes. They were like, like more orangey, yellow-looking eyes,

myself looking at me through a window. And it scared everything out of me. Like, I was so scared. I was scared of death when I saw that. And so, you know, and that whole night was a very paranormal, haunting night for me. And so it's just, I find it very interesting. When you saw the red light, or not the red lights,

when you saw the red eyes, was, do you think it was, just something to do with your light hitting the eyes and creating a red color, or do you think that their eyes actually project a red color? I don't know. I've heard birth, I'm a fan of Saskatch Chronicles, too. But I think in that case, because they didn't, I didn't see them until the light hit them. And so I think in that case, it may have just been the light in it, because I mean, I could say it was a weak, weak light. But, you know, it's like, I don't know. There's, I've seen enough weird things in my lifetime that, I mean, it's one of us,

I've learned to just stay open to the possibilities and that to not rule out something just because, yeah, I can't really wrap my mind around it. Yeah, I absolutely agree. absolutely absolutely because the moment you start thinking in the box you exclude any other things that might pop up that are outside of your typical line of thought and so you got to keep your mind open it reminds me of a time probably i would say probably about a year and a half two years ago is before the show started and i was still feeling my way around the whole bigfoot topic and i had somebody contact me saying that they had bigfoot actually had bigfoot

activity on their property. They sent me pictures of prints they found on their on their lawn. And she had said that this thing will come up to the window and look in the window at her. And the eyes are glowing. And she also told me the eyes project light. And she sent me video of the, of the, uh, the eye shine, the eye glow in the window. And you could see whatever it was, and I think from the video there was only one light, so I don't know if it was like, its head was turned sideways or what, but

you could see this one light moving around through the window. Like, you could see it through the blinds. Like, the blinds were, I think the blinds were closed and you could still see this thing or something. I can't remember exactly. But she did say that the lights project, or the eyes

projected light. And then I wasn't prepared to handle something like that. I was like, well, that's impossible because Bigfoot is just an animal that we haven't discovered yet. But now I approach things a little bit more open-mindedly, and I try to at least. And, you know, I'm not sure if we know what Bigfoot is, totally. You know, obviously we don't know what Bigfoot is, but like, I mean, people share stories where it seems so animal, you know, it just seems like an animal.

And then other people share stories where it doesn't seem like an animal at all. And it just makes me wonder, man, like, what are we really dealing with here? I know. I'm there with you. Especially when people talk to, you know, you hear about the source or people talk about, like, the little people, the gnomes, you know, and just, like, you know. But also, you know, you look back and there's legends of, I mean, like, our old, the old fair I mean, think about the goblin or whatever, it lives underneath the, the bridge and eats the goats. I mean, I'm used as an example.

Right. Where did those come from? I mean, you know, surely, I mean, maybe people saw something. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. I mean, some of these legends and stuff, you got to think they come from somewhere. I mean, it's, there's got to be truth in some of these legends, you know, like the fairies and all that stuff. It's just, there's so much going on. I mean, the more I'm in this, I'm more I'm like, there's so much going on.

And we don't even know one percent of it. I mean, really, there's, it's crazy. We're living in a crazy world. What can I say? It really is. It's not the normal that, you know, we've been taught to think the world is. It's very, very different from that. So, you know, speaking of, you know, that kind of stuff and the oddities,

Dude, like, you've had a haunted warehouse experience and you've had this, what we'll call a church appear right before you. You've had this Bigfoot experiences. You know, like, that's a lot of stuff all tied up into one person, right? And then you have the UFO experience. We'll get into that in a second. I hear people, and I just heard this in a recent interview, you know, the idea of certain people having more activity in their life than other people. And a similarity is that they all have a common blood type.

And I think it was RH positive or RH negative. I know it's a random, stupid, weird question, and you may not even know. Do you know what blood type you are? Yeah. I've got to know for the military. Oh, yeah, that's true. What are you? O positive.

Okay. All right. That question actually came up in beer camp this year because the year before at deer camp is when like a whole pack of Bigfoot or around. And that's a whole nother story. But so this year, you know, my brother and I were sitting around the camp with my niece and tried some whoops. and, of course, no Bigfoot's game.

But we were talking about, and I, you know, especially talking with my niece and was talking about some of the strange things that I've experienced. And my brother asked, I said, why, why you? And, you know, some of it being, you know, the church was right in front of me, and the red eyes, that was right in front of me. But since I joined the military, and especially since I've deployed, anybody that's deployed will understand, you become aware of, or you try to stay vigilant about what's around you, about seeing, you know, kind of paying attention to stuff out of the corner of your eyes,

and looking for little things. you know driving overseas when we drive them convoys it's the little telltales that would potentially you know when I kind of set off your your spider senses or whatever

people want to call it that there's an ambush or something up ahead something as random as a rag being tied around you know like says because in our rack we took down the guard rails because they were hiding IEDs on them, but there are still guardrail post out there.

And we'd be driving down the road and you would see like a rag tied on a post. It was just, it's almost like a marker. And most people would see something like that and go on their way. But it's like I've still got that. I still pay attention. and so I think you know what I've noticed stuff or I'm a lot more vigilant now

and is because you know I'm not I'm not focused on the cell phone in front of me you know I'm paying attention to what's going on around I mean if something changes I try to I try to pay attention yeah that makes sense

that absolutely makes sense the fact that you're a little bit more aware than the average person just because of your training. I mean, you're in a high-intensity situation 24-7. It's kind of hard to shake that once you've been totally engulfed in that for any period of time, I'm sure. So why don't we talk about this UFO experience that you had? Tell us what happened. Basically, you know, wasn't anything dramatic or wasn't anything

it was you know you go outside and you see satellites in the sky you know just real clear yeah I mean people say that say that they see satellites I can never pick it out so I mean I've heard of that though

well especially if you come out in the country and it's not as much ambient light you know it's easier to spot and it's a movement you know just kind of said and I saw what you know trek along

what I thought was a satellite. And I still, even now, if I see them, I'll stop and look at them because I think that's kind of cool. I get to see a satellite, you know, even though it looks like a little die, you know, still. And so I was watching it. And right as it kind of got above me, it stopped going from a steady straight line to like it went into a circle. Like it basically, I mean, it just went around to win the circle.

and then it disappeared. And then it was like, wow, that's no aircraft. I mean, as fast as it moved, because, I mean, it picked up speed to do it, and it disappeared. And it was like, there's no aircraft that I know of that would do that. And so, it's just, you know, mind-balling went and told my parents, like, Like, you're not going to believe what I just saw. And my dad's like, oh, it's probably some military aircraft. They fly over here all the time.

I don't think that was a military aircraft, but okay. Yes. I mean, it's easy to kind of brush it off as something. The first thing that pops in your mind. But when you really think about what you saw and stuff, I mean, you start thinking that it's not natural. I mean, maybe it was a military aircraft. And we just don't know that they have certain technology to do certain things. And, you know, at one time, the nuclear bomb was a surprise to everybody, you know what I mean?

Like, at one time that that was like unheard of. We couldn't, we couldn't even fathom something like that. And now it's just old hat, you know. So, you know, maybe it's possible, but also maybe it's something else totally, you know. What do you think, you know, like obviously UFO, the definition in itself is unidentified flying objects. So, you know, outside of that, when it comes to the idea of people saying that, you know, you know, you know, this is extraterrestrial. What are your thoughts on that kind of stuff?

Do you think that there's extraterrestrial crafts, or do you think this is more more of like a top secret kind of thing? Well, it's like I'm open to both. One, you know, I look at the universe and it would not surprise me at all if God created. I mean, different worlds, different beings. and, you know, out there. It wouldn't surprise me at all. But give an example, there's some, I'm a chimney,

sleep inspector, and I went out to a job and was doing some work on this couple, and they lived out in the middle of nowhere. I mean, like, I kid you not out the middle of nowhere. And, I mean, nice ranch house that they had been. up on a hill surrounded by miles of empty pasture land. And these are very down to earth, very old-fashioned, god-fearing people. But old-fashioned in the gentleman, he's like 60, 65,

and he thought I was doing him wrong on dealing. And he was like, I'm not afraid to throw down with young buck. I said, whoa, whoa, hold on. I said, yeah, I explained, you know, I was like, all right, see, you're, I'm not screwing you. And so once I laid out the facts, he was like, okay. And so, I mean, and then they fed me. I mean, he was like fed me meatloaf at dinner. I mean, but they told me, they said, you're not going to believe this.

So they said that one night, three, basically three bright lights, but they were in the shape of triangle came down and landed in their pasture. And they saw it. They think they had their adult kids that were there. They saw it and, like, stood and watched it. It said it landed in the pasture and it was down there for like 10 seconds or something. And then it took off these light state information. and flew off.

And I remember hearing and reading in the paper about other people saw that. Well, he told me he went down there the next day to the pasture, and there was, he calls them like a half circle indentions in the ground where the ground was missing. It almost looks like they came down and they took soil samples, and then they were gone. But, I mean, these are... these are people they weren't they didn't joke they're very old-fashioned very god-fearing and i believe

them absolutely believe that that's what they saw and i'm pretty sure that if i'd asked him to uh he would probably take me down there and showed me the holes but you know i was there to finish up the job and yeah kind of get on to that other other clients had to take care of that day Wow. So, I mean, when it comes to this stuff, I mean, people are experiencing stuff. And I don't think, I think most people, when they share their experiences, most people aren't, you know, so narcissistic that they got to make up an extravagant story just to get some, some strangers attention. You know what I mean? Like, that's just not really in the, in the ballpark for most people. So what they described you, I mean, you. I mean, you would have no reason to doubt them. The fact that it happened to them, and did you say this was kind of like out in the middle of nowhere? Yeah, it was in the middle of nowhere. Okay. So, I mean, how do I say this? I mean, do you think that what they experienced was extraterrestrial, or do you think that something, what they experienced was more, you know, governmental or

just mental? I know it's not mental, but, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I know what you mean. Honestly, I would think extraterrestrial. Because since then, essentially when it comes to like the lights and the formations, I've seen, you know, I've gone online and looked. I've seen a video of this type of, you know, the lights and triangle thing, flying a formation outside at an airline, you know, an airliner. And, you know, I've seen videos of the lights, you know, staying in the formate.

It was it the Phoenix lights? and I read, it's funny because people, the explanation, oh, that was, that was flares from a formation of jets. And I've been overseas. I've seen them deposit their flares. I know the flares that they're talking about. And flares don't do that. And so it's just, in those cases, I'm all for extraterrestrial. And to be honest, you know, I wouldn't blame the government.

for not, you know, I mean, I think that, like I said, I'm open to both. I'm fully open to there's new technology out there that's constantly being tested. Yeah. So some things being seen, probably new technology, but in a lot of these cases, like so, especially this couple, you know, I think extraterrestrial. Because we go to the moon, or we've gone to the moon. and we send stuff to Mars. You know, what's the big thing?

Soil samples. You know, so why wouldn't, if there's another race of aliens out there or what we perceive as aliens, you know, and they come here, whether it's sending machines or they actually show up, you know, why wouldn't they get samples, you know, soil samples and samples of vegetation? That's what we would do. You know, that's a good point.

I mean, you're absolutely right on that. I mean, what are we trying to do? We're trying to go to Mars and bring back samples, right? I mean, it's exactly what we're trying to do. And so, yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, to take samples would be, I think, just a natural scientific idea to do. It's very fascinating, man. That's a very fascinating story.

And even, you know, your story, too, it's just like there's things that people see in the sky. And we don't know what it is. I'm kind of on the same line as you, though. I mean, I don't, I don't object to the idea of there being extraterrestrials. And the same time, I think sometimes what people are experiencing are more maybe governmental, you know, spacecraft or not spacecraft, but aircraft that just really isn't on the radar yet, you know. So, and I'm not opposed to them keeping that secret either. I mean, I don't think we need to know everything, you know, because, you know, sometimes things are best left unsaid, you know, because if, if we know, everything. that the government has, then so do our enemies. So that kind of defeats the purpose. So, but yeah, man,

listen, I really appreciate you coming on here and sharing these experiences. When it comes to all this different stuff that you've experienced, is there any kind of like, it's hard to summarize everything into one cohesive sentence or idea here. But with everything that you've experienced, has there ever been any kind of conclusions that you've come to, like enlightening conclusions with all the stuff that you've experienced, uh, that makes you just kind of like look at life a different way after you've experienced all this stuff and you look back at it.

Well, I know that no matter what, you know, you know, with, with my faith that, that God's in control. You know,

it's like this conclusion I've come to, I'll never get all the answers. And a lot of times when I do stumble or come to a conclusion, all that does is leave me to more questions. which in some cases is fun, but sometimes it's just absolutely frustrating, you know. And so, you know, during my last tour, I'll give you the Cliff Notes version, we got a really crappy mission. We had to drive some vehicles from Belod to, I'm.

I'm sorry, from QS to BOD. It's about like five, six hour drive. And, but the equipment was in really, really bad shape. We did what we could, the whole bailing wire duct tank. I mean, just, you know, extra fluids. Just, all right, we're going to make it wrong. We've got to do this at night. And it was through an area that it was just kind of nerve-wracking mission.

Also, we promise to keep the clip notes. I was nervous about the details of the mission, and we rolled out the gate, and I was praying. I knew just pray, and I would scan the road in front of me from left to right and look down at my gauges and then right to left across my gauges. Because when the gauges work, keywords when they're working good, that's your first indication that you're having trouble with your vision. vehicle. And, I mean, it was just doing it.

I mean, it was just a pattern, routine. And about two hours in this convoy, I looked up. And there in the truck, the truck in front of me, there was, I saw two angels pushing this truck. I suddenly had a piece. Now, yeah, I can rub my eyes and kind of blinked and like, all right, I'm not seeing I watched them for like half a minute. I could say them, they were just pushing this truck in front of me.

And before they came up on the truck, they had to be 12 feet tall pushing this truck. And I had a piece. It's like, all right. God got this, you know. And after about half a minute watching and pinched myself a couple times, I glanced down on my gauges and then glanced back up and they're gone. But I was okay. and none of the equipment broke down, which I'm telling you a miracle.

But after the mission, I went up to those guys and I said, hey, tell me about your truck. And they said, how do you know about our truck? I said, you don't believe me. Just tell me about your truck. And they said, you know, we drove, it drove fine. You know, we stopped outside the gate with any veteran. You don't just drive on base. You don't just drive on base.

There's a series of stops. But they, you know, stopped, you know, got checked in, stopped, cleared weapons. And drove it to where we had to party. They said literally they pulled it up into the place where they're supposed to park it, and the engine just died. And they tried to restart it and it wouldn't restart. And I kept tabs on the truck. Maintenance had to work on that truck, too.

two days straight before that truck could even turn over. And so with that, which I had faith in God before that, but I mean, it's just, I, no matter, I mean, I'm not going to have answers for what all is going on in this world. And like so, in some cases, it's going to be fun trying to find answers. With some of my, you know, there's some things I don't strive to find answers for, really. but I just know that God's got me. I'm in his hands, that he's, no matter what happens in this crazy world, and that he's got it.

And so, I mean, that's just, that's where my faith is at. You know, maybe one day when I die, you know, if I deem it important enough once, you know, I'm on the other side, I'll ask him, hey, can you try it? explain this to me, you know, you know, show me how you got laid out. Well, I mean, I totally get where you're coming from, but we're not done now because you just said you saw angels. So I have to ask you. I mean, come on. Like, I like, I'm, you're the first person that I have talked to that said they have seen angels.

Now, I've heard people say, actually, I take that back. A guy in college said he saw angels, but I don't remember ever asking him what he saw. My grandfather said that people told him that angels were guarding him when he was younger. But let's just dive into this for just a couple minutes here. You see... I got all the time for you. Okay. You see two angels pushing this vehicle.

And you said that they are around 12 feet tall, which right there, like, reminded me of my grandfather's story of when he said that these people, when they came, down this driveway, they would see these huge angels guarding their camp. And so, like, the idea is, you know, it's a very common thing that these angels can be huge, but at the same time, they can be human size as well, because in the Bible, Paul says, to be very hospitable because you never know when you're going to be in the presence of angels. So, I mean, we know that angels could look just like humans. Now, you said you saw angels. Is that because they looked like you're, like the idea of an angel, which is like wings and and like garment and stuff? Or did

they look like just 12 foot tall human beings pushing a vehicle? I'd say 12 foot tall human beings. I mean, they were from like the neck line down. It was white. But I didn't see wings on them. I mean, I could tell. And it's

like the motion, I mean, you could tell they were like just pushing. I mean, this truck. But one had I mean, they had hair. One had like a kind of a, I call like a dirty blonde type hair. The other one had kind of a darker hair. But, I mean, God, they were freaking huge.

So, but, I mean, they were just sadly pushing. And, I mean, I got, I said, I wasn't a, wouldn't, I mean, I was driving the truck. I mean, it was very caffeine. And then also the kind of the drilling, the area that we're driving through, there's, or that route, there was two groups that were operating at that time. And they, they kind of specialized in hitting convoys at night. And so, I mean, it was just kind of, you know, nerve-wracking, driving through that area at night. And it was just, I mean, I got, my, I said about that. about to hide down the truck.

They're about 12 feet tall. I can tell you. Okay. Well, I mean, when you say that they were white from the head down, are you talking like it was like a white silhouette? Like there's no detail clothing or anything like that? Or was it like white clothing? I would have to say probably like a white clothing type.

Like it wasn't like a silhouette. I mean, it almost looked like a garment or a, you know, clothes. Almost like a, we're joking. around, they're freaking comfortable angle. I've got one. Overseas, they call man dresses. You ever seen? You know, men wearing the traditional but the solid, you know, outfit.

Yeah, I mean, it's something solid and white like that. But, you know, it wasn't. I mean, they were broad, talking about broad-shouldered. I mean, they're big. Yeah, I can imagine. Really, I can imagine. Wow. So let me ask you, I mean, you see these two angels pushing this vehicle. You know, you're not the only one there. It's not like you were alone. And I mean, I imagine nobody else saw it or else you would have said it. Why you? Why do you think you had the ability to see these angels? Do you think that it was something that they allowed you to see? Or do you think it's something that, like, you were, for lack of better terms, prepared or ready to see. I think maybe it was both. You know, there's the old saying there's no atheists in a foxhole.

You know, I didn't go over it. Yeah. But literally, I mean, literally miracle after miracle. I mean, people stuff, people would shrug off. But you would have a short example. I called my dad and he said, hey, what happened Tuesday at 2 a.m. And then, of course, there came math equation. I had to stop and think about the time zones.

And I said, why? He says, God woke me and your mother up and told us to pray. And so we prayed. What happened? He didn't know it, which I told him, I said, oh, I was in mortar a tent. And he didn't know it, but we're on a small outpost. There was a coordinated attack on the post. They blew up a fuel truck, front gate.

I rocketed the back gate and dropped mortars on this compound. And it wasn't big compound. I mean, it was very coordinated. But when they blew up the fuel truck, it was a tanker full of fuel, right? I mean, think 18-wheeler, a fuel tanker, right? Fuel. Wow. And the cab of the truck was just gone.

But there wasn't a scratch on that fuel tanker. Had that gone? I wouldn't be talking to you today. I mean, it probably wiped out the compound that we were in, probably half the village, you know? And, I mean, with the more attack, everything happened, nobody, including me, got a scratch on us. I mean, there is an atheist.

And, like, I mean, going in, he was very much an atheist. And we were walking to the motorpool, and he said, He goes, guys, you know, I'm an atheist. He says, you know that. He says, but I'm not an atheist anymore. He says, well, as many times of we've been attacked and stuff has happened and we've walked away without a scratch when we shouldn't have walked away at all. He says, I know there's a God.

There's something watching over us. And so, I mean, with that, it's just, I think that was, I mean, that was where I was at, which, I mean, I just, I mean, I just, I knew. there is a God that not in, you know, and just praying, I think, I think to just calm me down, I was allowed to see those angels. But, you know, it's one of those things where I didn't think about it so much from then, but afterwards, there's that story in the Bible when I think, what's his name? Elisha. It wasn't Elijah. I think it was Elisha. When the army surrounded the town, the little city that he was in, and the Old Testament, and his servant came out,

I mean, and saw the army around him and, you know, freaked out. Who wouldn't? You know, like, we're going to die, you know? And he said, you know, hey, don't worry. Those that are with us are greater than those that are against us. And the servant, the servant said, you know, or Elisha said, sorry, my phone kind of beeped in to make sure. I mean, the, Elijah said, hey, God, you know, God opened his eyes.

And when the servant's eyes were open and he saw an army of fire, I think is a description, surrounding that army. And so I think God knew all it took was for me to see two angels because, I mean, I was at peace after that. I was fine, relaxed. But, I mean, I was, you. thing it was just God said, God saying, you know, hey, I'm going to open your eyes and you're going to see these two angels in front of you. You know, I knew that I didn't need to see any more angels, but, you know, because good God. I think it was just those two angels, you know, we could have been attacked.

If those two angels are on duty, we're going to be fine. Yeah, no, man, you bringing up that Elisha story. I mean, that, I mean, it really, it makes, it makes sense. It absolutely makes sense. I think it's fascinating. I think that the fact that you saw angels and you didn't even think to put it in my email, I scratched my head and then, I'm like, how good? Because, like, I'm telling you, man, like, like, that stuff is, I find it so fascinating that people do see angels.

And, you know, why wouldn't they? I mean, how many times we hear people say they've seen demons, you know, and they've had oppression from demons and all that stuff. Well, if that's real, then sure. Why wouldn't, you know, the opposite be real as well and happening? So I just think it's fascinating that you were able to share that, man. I really appreciate that. So, well, I'll tell you what, Seth, man. I really appreciate you coming on here tonight and just chatting with me and stuff.

I don't want to hold you any longer. but it was just, I can only say it was a real pleasure talking to you, so I really appreciate it. Well, thank you for having me. I mean, I enjoy, and hopefully, especially on the angelic side, you know, people realize that, you know, there's stuff we don't see, but like said, from my faith and for those that believe in God know, maybe they'll hear and just kind of take comfort and strength from that. Yeah, absolutely, man. Well, I really appreciate it, and I will talk to you later. If you have any other, you know, things that happen, just get a hold of me. You got my email.

Okay. We'll do. All right, brother. Take care. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. I absolutely love talking to Seth and hearing some of the stories he had, especially that disappearing church. Absolutely fascinating. And I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. I'll see you right here next Saturday at 6 p.m. on the Confessionals. Take care, everybody.