The Confessionals - RELOADED | 70: The Dark Mass

Episode Date: May 22, 2023

On Episode 70: The Dark Mass, guest Timothy comes on to share some of these paranormal occurrences that have been happening since he was four years old! Timothy’s stories show us that sometimes people just can't escape the horrors of life - no matter how far they run or how many things they change, there remains a constant paranormal environment around them. Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinCome Meet Tony:1. Smoky Mountain Bigfoot ConferenceTickets: https://bit.ly/3l1wZHR2. LIVE SHOW in Gatlinburg, TN!Tickets: https://bit.ly/3IC4IkxWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0Tony's Studio Equipment: linktr.ee/mystudiogearSPONSORSGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals60 Promo Code: "confessionals60" for 60% off plus free shipping!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvet

Merkel Media I guess it's time To go back in time Are you telling me that you built a time machine Out of a glory Time is but a stubborn illusion I have a lot of memories

Of the past People are time traveling within themselves Time travel is possible Giant comes out of the cave And they're all frozen and he starts running and firing up this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast.

It spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. It's almost like they're unzippering our reality. They pick their heads through it, and they look around, and if it looks like the coast is clear, they step through the rest of it. If you pick the head, you get the whole package. If you don't take the head off, then what is.

happens they disappear. This was all circulating around the base. He was supposed to talk about it. And there's Jack. And he's got blood on his face. He looks at me and he just says one word. Most people have careers. I ended in this bush and I touch air.

Couldn't breathe. And I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Okay. I reload it. Welcome to the show. Everybody, you're listening to the confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here.

If you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionals Podcast at gmail.com. That's the Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. Or you can go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the connection section, and you can reach me that way as well. Either way it works for me. Just get a hold of me. Now, let's get into this week's show.

We're bringing on Timothy, who's seen a lot of different things throughout his childhood just outside of Chicago, stemming from... angel-like entities to demonic-looking things coming out of his ceiling while he's laying in his bed to a friend who might have been demonically possessed at his house. And what happened there is pretty crazy. So hang in there with us and we'll get into it right after this. All right, tonight I have a good guest coming on here. Timothy, how you doing, man? I'm doing well. How are you? I'm doing well, man. I'm doing well. This is actually the second time that we're doing this interview because the first one that we had some audio problems. And I wanted

to get this show out for people. So we're regoing at it and we're going to do it. And it's going to be great. And I'm excited actually to hear your stories again because it's actually been a while since I heard these stories. And we were just kind of rehashing them a little bit. And it was just bringing back the memories a little bit of what we talked about in the first interview. And I was thinking, oh, yeah, that's right. I remember this. And as he started talking about things like, Oh, yeah, that's good. Yeah, yeah. I'm definitely excited about having you back on here to redo this interview and get things going. So let's just start out with Chicago. And you lived in Chicago and you're a twin. And some things happened in the house with a maid. And I don't want to kind of give your story away. So I'm going to just let you take it away from there. What happened? What was going on? Sure. So, um, I'm originally from Chicago.

I now live in northwest suburbs of Chicago land. But, yeah, I'm from the south side, and that's okay, everybody that likes the cubs and whatever you don't have to hate. But, yeah, so we lived in this house. There was a lot of interesting things that happened in the house. There was some tragedy. There was a lot of people that came through there. Um, we, my mother was kind of, um, we kind of just adopted, uh, just a lot, a lot of people, um, that weren't even family. We actually did foster care for 21 years.

Um, but before we even got on the foster care system, we, uh, you know, our friends, people, people needed help and you know, they could live with those things like that. So it was just kind of, in the family I grew up in, and even now, like, that's kind of what we tell our, my boy, you know, we're, we're, where everyone's family. And anyways, so Chicago, and pardon me, actually, if it comes out. I remember my youngest memories, I got pretty, I have a pretty good memory. I've never gotten drunk, never did drugs, anything like that. I'm pretty healthy guys, so I don't know if that contributes to it or not, but we also had some pretty traumatic events in that house. So my memories are pretty keen on it for the most part.

I'm not always in chronological order, but details are there. So one day, I'm coming up the stairs. It was a two-story bungalow with a basement. Old brownstone, old brick brownstone. And we're on the south side of Chicago, and my twin brother and I kind of had run of the house. My older siblings were all, I think, in college. My sister, I think was married with her own kid by this time.

We're headed there. My one brother was, you know, in the military. And I was just kind of me and my twin and my mom. My dad had passed at this time. He had taken his own life a couple of years before this. But I remember one of my earliest memories is kind of going up the stairs. and you kind of had to do like a 90-degree turn. You went to face a little stairs,

and you took like a hard left, and then you shot up half a dozen or so, well, but probably like a dozen or so stairs, actually. And on your left-hand side, as you're coming up was like a banister area, almost like a porch. And there were some, I think, some closets on the left, and there was one window.

So as you're heading up towards the bedrooms, one of the bedrooms on the right. My mom's bedroom was straight ahead of me. And then this little area was a little landing was on the left. And there was only one window, and it was kind of shining from behind you over the, or sort of that area. And it most of been early morning because I believe that window faced east. So the white was coming through it.

The dust was kind of kicking up a little bit. and I looked over because I thought I saw some movement and what I saw was I saw this old maid we had old Polish maid we were a Polish family she just looked like an old

babush guy you know she had a kind of a funky blouse on her skirt blouse almost like a one piece I don't remember she had an apron on or something like that and she had a broom and she's just kicking dust running that landing. She's just sleeping, and the sun's kind of coming, coming through her.

I don't, I don't believe I remember seeing her feet. She, she moved, she was moving. She seemed a little bit transparent, but for the most part, she was, she was fairly, fairly solid. And I think she had a bonnet on, or maybe a do-rag. I honestly, at this point, I don't remember entirely. But, you know, she was the most right. So I just thought she's just a maid sweep. You know, like, oh, okay, you know, this is an older lady.

She didn't kind of look familiar. But I just thought it was one of my mom's friends or just some maid we had, you know, just some woman sweeping. We had old people that came over all the time to visit. There's like old people that live across the street. And like I said, the rest of my siblings and stuff are all older. So my aunts and whatever, they're up there. too. So I just kind of, I looked at her. She looked at me, kind of smiled, you know,

just like a little head knob and a smile and just went, just kind of didn't mind, mind me at all. I was like, oh, okay, she knows me. I'm just a dumb little kid. There's nothing terrifying about nothing scared about it. Well, not about my business. When I came back, I don't remember seeing her again. I don't remember it. Seeing her in the house. I don't remember when she wasn't still doing it when I came back. I don't know if I went up to get a toy. I don't know what to want to play in my room. I honestly don't remember. I don't remember my brother being there. It's just me. Um, so years later, um, I got to talking to my mom and, you know, we were just talking about, you know, the Chicago house and, and I was always intrigued.

I didn't spend, I don't remember many years there, you know, so I would ask about Chicago, uh, the time in Chicago. and I said, well, who's that old maid? She was like a poet with a maid we had. You know, she was sweetened a describer. And my mom's eyes kind of like lit up a little bit. And she was kind of like, well, you know, well, we did have the maid. We actually did have the woman you described to a T.

She had dark hair. It was kind of a bob cut or it looked like a bob because I guess all the fun of it kind of coming through or, you know, what I presume is a bonnet or whatever. and she's a little heavy set, you know, frumpy. And she's like, yeah, but she's like, but we fired her when we found out you guys were coming because my brother and I were kind of a surprise. Well, yeah, we were a surprise. But so they couldn't afford, they couldn't afford us and, you know, a housekeeper.

So they got rid of her. my brother and I were born and, you know, there's the rest of it. But what was interesting is she was still alive. She lived, I think, just a couple blocks away. She would walk to the house, do her thing, whatever. She was still alive. And I actually saw her on several occasions in the flesh after this event. But my mom's like, yeah, yeah, she's still alive.

She lived down the street and she said that. I started to remember, oh, yeah. You know, you're right. You're right. Because the grocery store was, I don't know, was like, everyone would walk with. You had those carts, you know, the grocery carts. Yeah.

The two-wheeler's, the wheelers, the old ways of course, right? And every now and then, I would see someone that in the face looked very much like this person I saw sweeping. And I put two and two together after the story. I'm like, oh, yeah, you know, she was like, well, I was like, yeah. But my mom was, like, totally surprised. She wasn't there. She, you never saw her in the house.

She never came over. She never was. You know, she never stopped by to sweep or do anything after that because we couldn't afford her. And so that was kind of, that was really interesting. So I don't know what that was. I don't know if it was, you know, people talked about residual energy. There's, you know, biolocation, which is usually attributed to, like, saints and stuff. It was a real interesting event.

I remember it very, very well. there's no way that, um, there's no way it could have happened because of the circumstances, you know, she wasn't actually there in the flesh. And it wasn't until years later that when I talked to my mom that we put things together and, and I, I came to the understanding that she never, she wasn't in that house while we were born. So it was a little weird, you know, a little weird thing, but I remember that to stay. Never asked my brother about it. I don't know if you ever saw her. anything like that. My twin that is. I can't remember the lady's name. I think I saw her maybe twice or someone that resembled her that I assume as her after that event. It wasn't prior to that. It was after and I was like, you know, just before I moved or something. But my mom really had to go, like, you know, she was this, you know, she lived there. She, so that's pretty interesting. Yeah, it's absolutely interesting. And like you said earlier stuff, I mean, who knows what this this is. I mean, is it residual energy? Uh, you know, one part of me is like, you know,

can residual energy happen when the person is still alive? Uh, you know, I don't know, but, you know, I've heard of these types of stories and stuff. In fact, uh, I was talking to, uh, the show's artist, uh, Alika, he lives in Hawaii and he, uh, listens to the shows before their broadcast and he, that's how he does the show art. He, he listens to the interviews and he expresses, you know, what he hears through his art. And he was listening to the audio that I sent him initially before we realized the audio wasn't going to work. And he heard that and he started talking to me about some experiences that, you know,

he's had in Hawaii very similar things where it's like somebody's alive, but they appear somewhere else. And it's like, it's very odd. And it's just one of those phenomenal. in life that, you know, how do you explain that? You know, it is a residual energy or, you know, was she, you know, up to something, you know, did she have the ability to do some kind of remote viewing or something like that? It's very interesting, very interesting experience, especially since the fact that you did see her, you saw her after this initial experience in the house, right?

Like, you didn't see her before that. Right. I saw what I presumed, what was her, based on, you know, what I can remember in my mom's, you know, because I didn't, I didn't, when I saw this woman, I think I saw her twice, I think I saw her once after her book in neighbor's window, and she kind of like caught us. And, um, but I remember her face, you know, and there was a familiarity to it, you know, and, and then later on my mom described as like, oh, that must have us probably her. Um, because she had, she still had that look. It wasn't like that was her working uniform. That was just what she wore.

And, yeah, we saw her afterwards, but I, you know, I cannot recall seeing her prior to this event. And again, like, there would be no reason for her to be in the house, you know. So I don't know if it wasn't like she was a family friend, you know, she was hired help. Right. So it wasn't like, oh, just come over and sweep whenever you all, like she was doing us, you know, a good deal or something like. uh yeah and there's you know a maybe i don't know can a person project you know hear about astro projection or whatever you know you know what if she's in her house or another place and she's doing that in that moment and for whatever reason you know the avails lifted her

there's an eventual barrier you know who knows what it is um and i'm seeing almost her wherever she is you know but it's for whatever reason that in that dimensional time frame, I'm seeing it from my house, but maybe she's sweeping someplace else. You know, I don't, anyone's guess is as good as, you know, as anyone else's. But I've heard stories, you know, of like preachers and stuff, you know, preaching in two places at the same time. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've heard, I think it was in Africa. One guy said that he was teaching. in a church and he also was teaching in another church. Like people remembered him and remembered the sermon. And they said, no, you were here in person. We saw you. And there was no, I mean, it was like, you know, miles and miles and miles apart from each other.

It wasn't like someone, you know, it was a group of people that saw this. You know, my background, I went into ministry, volunteer ministry, never got paid, never went to a seminary, anything like that. But I ended up being a youth pastor. just retired. My wife and I did it for over 10 years and work full-time and everything else in top of it. But so, you know, we'd have these traveling missionaries come through. So I kind of grew up in the church my whole life

off and on. And we heard these stories, you know, some of these were pretty fantastical. I just grew up here, you know, so I just, you know, I believe them, you know, because I didn't know any better or didn't know what was possible, what was impossible. I mean, I remember a story of a guy, one guy in the call where he um, uh, it was like a town five hours away or something. And they said, look, you know, this person's falling ill.

They're about to die. You need to get here so you can pray over them. And, uh, this is like way back in like the 80s or something like that. Uh, and he goes, okay, you know, I'll leave now. And it's like a five hour drive. He steps off his back porch and he steps onto the steps of that house where that person is, having the issue. And somehow, you know, he was transported.

And he was able to, you know, pray over them, whatever. And he had to get a right back, you know. But it was like this. So, I don't know if that stuff's true. I don't know, you know, some guy come to another church telling me stories there to get more, you know, who knows. But I've heard more than a couple stories like that. Yeah, I mean, we've heard stories like that in the Bible.

I mean, teleportation. And so it's, you know, I know not everybody that listening. to the show is a Christian or believes the Bible, and I'm sure I have plenty of atheists that listen to the show, which is fine, you know? We all have our own opinions and our own thoughts and stuff, and it's a great platform for us to just kind of talk. But it's very, that's a very interesting thing, man. That's a very interesting thing. Wow, that's crazy. That's crazy. So, go ahead. I'm sorry, go ahead. No, no, no, I was just going to figure. The Bible, thing, it's not limited to a Christian worldview. I mean, there's shamanistic people that have

reported the same thing. There's, there's, there's all kinds of, you know, so I don't know if it's a human attribute where I don't necessarily believe that's specifically related or tethered to a particular religious philosophic system. So, you know, just to, you know, appease the rest of your audience. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. You know, you told me earlier that your mom, uh, saw your dad after he passed. You want to kind of go into that? Yeah, man, I'm going to that. So, like I said, my mom had a pretty tumultuous upbringing and relationship with my

father, my biological father. Not a good guy. He had, you know, again, you know, usually bad people or poor individuals have a poor upbringing as well. So he had a crap upbringing. Was an alcoholic at the age of eight. his dad used to give him you know would have these card games

and give him sips of alcohol from the table just to kind of get him to shut up and leave him alone. She was boys and that's how I grew up dealing with stuff. His mother made bathtub gin during Prohibition. Nice.

Yeah, yeah, she's hardcore man. She was like just from the old country, you know, dude old school, I don't know how many, you know, how many neighborhood people have been blind from it. but, you know, that's how they got through prohibition and saw she made money. So he kind of grew up around that, but it was a very violent, you know, unloving environment. He, you know, later on, got involved in the PD, but it was not enough with Chicago PD.

He was a hardened dude and I'm not a good guy from what I understand. And at some point, I'm in, I was very young. I want to see, I was probably my brother and I were, a twin and I were probably 9 2, 2 and a half. He, he took his wife on our front porch after threatening to, who was going to be a murder or suicide is what it was going to be. And by the grace of God, he couldn't get, he couldn't get in house. We don't know how, um, I believe there's defined intervention there because the man had a, you know, police issued a cobra, uh, 44 cobra co cobra. I mean, that thing.

at that time was the largest handgun in the world and he could have easily gone through our door with just a couple shots, you know. Right. And he had an arsenal. From what I said, he had an arsenal in the house. So they actually paid for all the arrangements is they sold off his arsenal.

Has my mom been worked. So anyways, he ends himself. And the story is, and I asked my mom about this before she died because I was actually teaching a class on de mystifying the paranormal in my church. And I said, hey, you know, I remember you telling me this. Can we go over it again? You know, because I need, I want to make sure I got the details and I'm not adding to it.

Is this true? And she said, yeah. So what had happened to, you know, everything goes down, you know, the horrible event. And, uh, they take him away. And there's some really interesting kind of things that happen around that, um, whole ordeal too. Because he was Chicago PD,

they kept it quiet very, very well. They actually really helped my mom out. The Chicago PDK and, you know, there wasn't a lot of press about it at all. Everything was locked down. And especially, like, at that time, I think it was 81, they could do that, you know,

these guys, you know, eating us in Chicago PD. So they laughed it down. They took good care of me and my mom and my family. But he said that, this particular officer that actually took the gun as evidence and he was driving with it. He said he was hit with the overwhelming sense to use that gun on himself while he was driving back to the precinct.

Wow. And he told my mom that later on, he said, he goes, I've never, ever had a suicidal thought in my life. He goes, it was as if there was something attached to this firearm. And he said it was, it was almost the point where he had to live. like remove himself from the vehicle or he wouldn't be able to stop it's like it was that strong and it really it really it bothered enough to mention it to my mom so that was just one of the weird things but uh yeah a few days later i'm going to say it was like a few days after the event um she was in her bed um bedroom same same down and he appeared to her now what he what she said is that

he was in full bodily form looked like he always did she didn't say what he was wearing she just said it was him it wasn't like a shadow it wasn't like a presence it was him he popped right in front of her

sat down next door on the end of the bed and he said he called her by her name and said she said what are you doing here? Like she was mad like I said so my mom Wow.

So she goes, what are you doing here? And he goes, I have to tell you how sorry I am. And her response is really interesting because, you know, a lot of people I think would say when they're gotten, you know, that's romantic, that's some sort of closure or whatever. You know, I'm sorry for the way of treaty. I need to tell you whatever. And she said, you may not talk to me. You don't belong here anymore.

You need to leave. And he left. There wasn't a fight. There wasn't, you know, nothing, nothing, nothing, you know, begging. It was just he was there. He tried, or in this thing, you know, mimicking him, I don't know, tried to apologize for, you know, in the years of hell he'd done to her. He was very abusive, I mean, physically, you know, the whole line.

And, uh, and she said, leave. And then she said a couple weeks after that, she was, we had this huge old conversion man, you know, like totally, you know, pimped off in the 70s, two-tone green. It was pretty rashly. And she was driving somewhere in it, and she said that she felt his presence in like the pilot seat behind her. And she couldn't see him. From what I remember, I don't think she saw. Maybe she saw eyes in the mirror, or else she refused to look. I don't remember that portion, but she said, and it was the same thing she heard. heard him say to her not, I don't know if it was in her head or actual audibly, uh, I'm sorry. You know, I'm sorry.

And again, she said, this isn't your home anymore. You don't belong here. You may never visit me again. And she basically rebuked this thing and that, and she said it was gone instantly. And that was the last time, uh, that ever happened or an event like to have happened to her. Uh, regarding my, you know, um, presumably, you know, the spirit or the presence of my father. Wow.

That was, yeah. And she confirmed that, you know, I think I asked, I need, you know, I have a lot of specifics. I want to make sure I'm not, you know, I'm not adding to this or, you know, to try and prove a point when I'm talking to people. But she was very adamant about it. I said, okay, did you see him? Did you not see him?

She said, like, the first time I saw him, the second time, it was, it was his presence. And she said, like, it seemed like him. It sounded like him. She said he had a very distinct presence. And my father, I guess he had a very distinct gate, like when he walked on the first time. She's just like, you know, it was him.

Like, she really was, it was as if he would, he had never, um, left the home physically. She's like, it was just him. He was there and then sat down next to her and I believe he said that, she said that the, you know, the bed went down and everything. I kind of turned to her. And I don't think she made a lot of contact like she knew it was him. She saw him and it wasn't like she looked along and mean to his eyes or anything. She, you know, it was just not my mom. My mom was a very big advocate of tough love, and she was not super affectionate until her latter years.

But, yeah, that's the story with the visitations. Yeah, that, I mean, that's interesting because, like, you know, to be honest with you, when I first started this show almost a year and a half ago, I had a totally different viewpoint when it comes to ghosts and things like that. one, I didn't really have much of a viewpoint. I didn't know what to make of it. I knew people were experiencing things. And I knew what I thought my whole life generically, but something about my original thought process is growing up and stuff just didn't jive with me anymore. And as time goes on, you know, I think if you're really open to thinking outside the box and staying true to open thought, your thought process changes over time. And, you know, some things don't ever change.

Like, for instance, I'll never denounce Jesus Christ. I mean, I'm a Christian, and it's that real to me. It's just, it's not going to happen. I mean, let's just say, I can't say it's not going to happen because Peter said it wasn't going to happen, and it happened. So let's just say like 99% sure, I'm not going to do that. You know, but there are things outside the root basis of my faith that I'm very much willing to discuss and I'm very much willing to have open thought on. And when it comes to this stuff, that's one of them. And just just put it out there like this.

You know, I grew up in a Christian household and I didn't know what ghosts were. I was fascinated by the idea, and I knew people said they saw, you know, their Uncle Joe and things like that. But my natural default thought process was that's impossible because when you die, you either go to heaven or you go to hell. You don't sit around here on earth. But then, you know, silly Christian, you open up the Bible and you start reading it and you start listening to people teach about things. And then all of a sudden, stories that have been right in front of your face, your entire life, start taking a different light. And I've mentioned it on the show before, but like, it's a very real story. In 2nd Samuel chapter 28, King Saul summons

the spirit of Samuel. He goes to a median, and he tells this person to summon the spirit of Samuel. And she does. And it doesn't say anywhere in there that he talked to a demon. It doesn't say that he talked to anything but Samuel. And Samuel, the spirit of Samuel, was pissed, very frustrated that he's being bothered by Saul. And I would be too if I'm chilling with Jesus and all of a sudden I'm being summoned by this idiot. You know? So, I mean, when you read that story and you read it for what it says and you don't try manipulating the text to be what you wanted to be, you don't try fitting the scripture around what you wanted to be, but you actually read it and you fit your mind around the text. When you start doing that, all of a sudden,

you're like, wow, wow, this life is a lot more complicated than I thought. And so, you know, it's just, it's very fascinating because when you hear stories like what you just shared, I mean, I don't know. I don't know what's happening there. But clearly, your mom had an experience. I no longer can say that I believe that that's impossible. I don't believe that's not, or how do I say it? I believe that that is possible. I don't know how it's possible. I don't know why it's possible,

but I do believe that that is possible now. And so it's a very fascinating account. Absolutely, yeah. I don't, you know, I've heard, you know, people speculate there's a grace period between, you know, now and the hereafter. You know, I don't know how many days, you know, that, I mean, what does it translate to? when you're, you know, is time linear, you know, I mean, how does that work in the spirit around?

But, you know, going back, you know, kind of speaking to, you know, I'd grown up in, you know, fairly evangelical circle and, you know, everything was a demon that wasn't an angel. Exactly. Right. Like, you know, there are no disembodied, you know, human spirits wandering the earth and blah, blah, and I think some of the reasoning behind that, you know, I think people come up with, I think it's silly, you know, like, oh, well, they. have some unfinished business where you show me a person that finishes everything in their life. You know, like everyone's got unfinished business, but the whole world's not full of ghosts.

You know, so it's, but when you start reading accounts, like you said in the Bible, you know, it is like there is some form of understanding, but there's even, you know, accounts in ancient rabbinic texts of, you know, angels, demons, and ghosts. You know, so, and there are three separate categories. And even in that account of Samuel being brought to Christian, the Bible says, you know, when King Saul says to the witch of Indoor, he says, you know, what do you see? And she goes, I see an Elohim. Well, most evangelicals, when they hear the word al-Heem, they immediately attribute to God

because he's Elohim. But really what Elohim or benign Elohim in the Hebrew, all that is, It's literally talking about an inhabitant or a resident of the spirit realm. That same word is used for, and divine beings, that same word is used for our human spirits. That same word is even used for demons later on. So it's not so much an attribute or a specific person.

It's literally just, this is something that belongs in the spirit realm, or at least a residency is in the spirit realm. And when you start looking at scripture, like you said, in the actual text, rather than somebody who doesn't want to reckon the idea of a ghost or doesn't fit his particular religious worldviews, so he's going to say it's a demon, things make a lot more sense from scripture. And you're no longer limited to, you know, one ideology or another per se. And I think what people get confused is, yeah, this definitely happened to my mother. I have no doubt she related the experience to me exactly as it took place. The issue comes in when you start demanding on what exactly it was

when there's simply no way of knowing. And when you read through the scripture and it says don't consult with mediums, don't do this, don't do that, it's not necessarily because you're talking to demons. It's because you don't know what you're communicating with. And neither did this, that person. If these things can show up in any form they want, potentially, if these things know things about us that we don't, like, let's say they've just observed us our entire waking life, but we couldn't see them. You know, sort of like Kevin Bacon's, you know, Invisible Man movie, he got real evil real fast when suddenly he couldn't be seen. Well, imagine what an eternal creature could do, you know, who has these attributes.

Well, you know, the danger is we really don't know what we're contacting. And so I don't necessarily know that it's all ghosts or demons or whatever. The issue is we don't know. So why play with it? Right. And, you know, that's something that, you know, we don't have to hit on this. But I will say this, that when I'm very, everybody knows I'm very big into the giants and the Nephilim and what happened there. And, you know, in these extra canonical books, they do detail.

certain things that aren't detailed in the Bible, especially the book of Enoch. And, you know, maybe we were taught how to do these things by the fallen angels. And this is, these are things that we were never supposed to know how to do. Not that God is trying to keep things from us and he is, you know, being selfish, but these are things that he did not want his children to know how to do. just like any parent, there are certain things you don't want your children doing. They're possible. And if your kid knew how to do it or something or wanted to do it, but you don't want him to do it.

And so you don't teach him that. And I look at it a very similar way. And so I think that this is something that very well could have been something that we didn't know how to do. It wasn't part of the equation, but then it was taught to us by these fallen angels. and just hitting back real quick. And I don't want to veer off course here. I want to get back to your encounters. But just coming back to the Elohim idea.

I will say this, that there is a guy that maybe one day I'll have on the show. I'm not sure. He's highly intelligent. It's probably partly why I haven't had him on the show yet because I don't think I don't think I'll be able to hold a decent conversation with the guy. He's so smart. Yes, Michael Heiser. and he has a great teaching. Anybody can go to YouTube and just type in Michael Heiser Psalm 82.

Okay, that's all you need to do. Just type in Michael Heiser Psalm 82. In the very first verse of Psalm 82, it says, God has taken his place in the divine counsel in the midst of the gods. He holds judgment. And that Psalm is talking about God. God holding judgment to other gods. And in the Hebrew, it says, Elohim has taken his place in the divine counsel in the midst of the Elohim.

He holds judgment. And Dr. Heiser does a phenomenal job breaking this down. And he breaks it down in a way to show you that we're not talking about polytheism. He's not changing the Bible into polytheism. But what he is saying is God clearly has a divine. hierarchy, an order to things. And he breaks it down and stuff. And it's a phenomenal thing for people to check out if they're interested. You know, it's a great, there's a plug for Dr. Heiser. I won't even charge for that, buddy, you know, but, you know, I think that's something that if people are

interested in this idea of the Elohim and the fact that not every time in the Bible, the word El Heme being used, it referring to God exclusively. Definitely check out Psalm 82, Dr. Michael Heiser. He is a world-renowned scholar that, you know, he can, he can interpret, I think he speaks like nine dead languages. I mean, the guy is highly, highly intelligent. He is the guy that people go to for interpreting these scrolls and all that crap. Like he knows his stuff. Not crap, it's not crap. I'm sorry. But anyways, let's just kind of bring it back. Because I know, if you know who Dr. Michael Heiser is, you and I could probably have a conversation for two hours about the guy and the things that he talks about, you know, but I've learned so much from him. So, yeah, so let's,

let's take it back here to, let's actually just take a break right now. When we come back, we'll get into this more in depth. We're back, everybody. This is Jason from episode 17 touching a big foot and you're listening to the Confessionals with Tony. You had the experience or not you didn't have the experience. Your mom had the experience with your dad and all that and we covered that. At some point you mentioned to me about an angel of sorts. What happened there? What did you see?

Okay. So a couple years after my dad's passing, my mind, my mind. kind of rekindles a friendship with an old high school friend. They used to attend the same youth group or church group or something like that in the city. And I don't know how it happened, they hook back up. Things got serious, you know, rather quickly. And next thing I know, I'm standing in a little, you know, in the best three-piece suit, miniature three-piece suit.

You know, you could buy for a, you know, a five-year-old. 1984 or whatever, you know, whatever. You know, what I was, and they were getting married. Like, that was just like, whoa, okay. And we moved to his place in Palatine, and Palatine, Illinois. And he would have been in an old house. I don't know how old the place was. And a real creepy vibe.

I didn't like it when we first moved there. And, like, from the get-go, we started having weird experiences there. But we've been there a while. the custom was to after church on Sundays, because my mom was exhausted probably from fighting with us all morning to get us to church and then doing church and then coming back. She would make us, it was a mandatory nap immediately upon getting home after church.

Yeah. You know what I'm telling me, yeah, we're both parents now. Yeah. So I hated it. I absolutely hated it. You know, I'm seven, you know, six or seven. And it's the height of the afternoon. And I'm ready to go.

And she's like, no, you know, it's time for bed. So my brother and I had to read these twin-bred beds in the room. There was a set of stairs in between us. It was like a covered hallway set of stairs. Real weird. I was like going up to like an apartment complex. And then on the right-hand side was my mother's room, you know, my parents' room. And so middle of the day, you know, noon or.

so she makes us good of sleep. She's already out, you know, she's probably out before she hits her bed. She's sleeping, and I'm messing around a little bit, trying to sleep, trying to, you know, be quiet because I know she's going to yell on me if I'm not. And I look over, and I don't know how much time had passed. I don't know if they fell asleep and woke up.

I honestly don't remember. But my brother's out of it. He's sleeping. My stepdad's usually out mowing the lawn. I think how I'm watching golf or phone. sleeping in his chair downstairs. And I see this glow, like this really radiant golden glow emanating from the floor of the hall in between our bedrooms.

And it was off. It was weird because it was kind of a long time of day for it. Because, again, my mother's bedroom was facing east. our bedroom window was facing west, and it's the middle of the day. You know, there's nothing between, and there was just, there was something about it that caught my attention

and it struck me. And I remember getting a little spooked out, like this is, you know, not normal, but I got up anyways. I remember this house was weird to be in with, so I didn't like being in it. Thank God we didn't spend too much time there, but, um,

so I'd go over, and I kind of, you know, make my way to a room real cautious, like looking at this goal, and her bedroom door, I don't remember if her door was opened or if it was cracked. I don't remember, but as I got closer to the door, the girl was more significant. I remember looking at her and I could see her. She was turned away.

She was like, on her side, sleeping, turned away as I saw her. I turned towards her window. But between her door, right next to her bed, actually, right next to her on the bed was this tall, glowing, like golden glowing for, you know, the best description.

It was like it was a humanoid. It was very tall. It was almost like eight feet tall. Not huge, not broad-shouldered thin. And it looked almost like a person wearing a robe. That was, it was like living light. The words are hard

to describe it. it glistened, it sparkled, and there was something about it that seemed almost organic, the way it moved, and it was terrifying. I mean, the moment I laid eyes on it, I was done. I mean, it freaked the crap on me. There was such a sense of like power radiating off of just the image. It's hard to put into words, and I are just to remember. And I saw this thing.

I kind of gave it a look up, look down, saw my mother, and was standing right over. And I just ran back to my room. I jumped in the bed, did the whole pool, covers over the head, you know, and I think I just started praying. I think I just started repeating by the blood of Jesus, by the blood of Jesus. Because I had no idea what to think of it, what to do. And I don't remember what I did after that. I don't remember if I felt passed out, fell asleep, stayed awake until I heard her moving.

I never saw that thing again. But yeah, it was something I'll never forget. It was almost like a living beam of light. It's really hard to explain. There was form to it, but at the same time, it wasn't restrictive. I don't know. liquid honey. I don't know how to describe it.

It was, I've been the best I can. But yeah, I saw something like that. That's what I presume was an angelic being standing over my mother. I don't know if it was ministering to her. I don't know if it was guarding her. I have no idea what it was. But I do believe it was some form of being that was accompanying my mother while she slept. Okay. So, uh, how tall would you say this is again? You know, dude, I was small. I mean,

I think I was about seven. So I think we lived there until we were seven or eight. Um, and this thing was, it was taller than the door frame. Um, if I remember correctly. Because what, when I looked in to the room, I had to look up to see the top of it. So it was very close to, very close to the ceiling. I don't know if we had nine foot ceilings, I don't know, we had eight foot ceilings. It was an old, you know, an older house probably built in the 30s or something like that. It wasn't like an old farmhouse or something, but it was,

I just remember it being taller than anyone in my family. And it looked like it was Florida ceiling. You know, I didn't see any legs. It was like it was wearing almost like a form-fitting skirt. They went all the way down to the ground. like a body condom. I don't know how I describe it. Go ahead. No, I was just going to say, I mean, you know, typically when it comes to angels and stuff,

a lot of times people describe these things as being very tall. You know, it's not uncommon for me to hear somebody describe it as, you know, 12-foot-tall beings. Right. You know, but the thing is, people have to understand that with what we are, dealing with on this show, it's all paranormal, supernatural, it's out of the ordinary. And when it comes to these different ideas, people have to understand that if this is a supernatural slash paranormal being, you know, something out of the ordinary like that that has the ability to appear before you,

you have to remember that at that moment, then if it has the very ability to appear before you, then it certainly would, I would think, have the ability to appear before you in the size that it wants to appear before you. Oh, absolutely. And so, I mean, I don't think it was restricted either. I think it could have been taller if it wanted to be. You could just saw, you know, the torso and its head and shoulders were through the roof, you know. Yeah, absolutely. I know I saw a leg, you know.

Exactly, exactly. But, I mean, you know, if you saw this thing, and most people, I mean, how old was the house, by the way? I would say the house, you know, I never asked my stepdad. I believe it was 20s or 30s that it was built. Okay. This is the people familiar with Kalatine, Illinois, and the Inverness area. It was there before Huffmanus States, which is a huge, like, suburban area now. It didn't even exist.

It was being built at the time. So it's an, it was a massive chunk of land. It was a corner lot. but I bet it was five acres, and that would be unheard of right now. You know, so it had to have been a pretty old home. All right, but, I mean, it's not like, you know, ancient home. I mean, if you say 20, 30 years, yeah, if you, yeah, it's, I mean, more than likely the ceilings were probably about eight feet to eight and a half feet tall.

And so this could have been anywhere between seven and a half to eight feet tall. You know, let's just put it that number. it's clearly a very tall individual. Now, when it comes to the idea of it being an angel, is that something that you just say because you don't know how else to describe it, or do you think that this really was an angel? You know, it obviously struck fear in you that you went and had to hide from it.

And it's funny because if it is an angel, you know, you're praying to God, God, please take away your angel because it's scaring me. Yeah, I'll save you. this. I've, over the years, especially being in ministry, I've encountered many shapes. I've encountered many malevolent spirits. Some people would call them demonic entities through deliverance sessions or just praying or just even on my own. And this thing, whatever it was, was different. There was, there was peace about it. There was an absolute peace. Now, now in the

natural, I was terrified. But there was a commanding person. presence about it as if it belonged there. And it wasn't there to harm it. It was actually slightly, it was, it looked like it was looking down at her a little bit. It wasn't just standing at attention or anything like that. It was, it was, there was a slight curve to what I presume was the shoulders and head. And I, you know, I didn't feel my mother was in danger. I didn't feel we were in danger.

it literally just startled me, and there was such a powerful presence to it that I couldn't deal with it. Like, I couldn't, it wasn't for terror. It wasn't like, you know, there's a darkness in certain things that it's almost tangible. It's a dark, tangible presence, but this did not have that. It was It was as if I was looking at a divine being With some form of authority That had every right to be there

And but it was I felt like I didn't I felt like I stepped into something That was almost the sacred And I had to, you know And I had to get out of there And I'm young I don't understand those things At that time I don't know about processing measure

I heard you do now you know, for something like that. So that's the, when I looked back at it, there was, my sense was, this was an angel. And I think what threw me off was it didn't fit any of the pictures I'd ever seen. Any of the old Byzantine photos, you know, like, or a picture, you know, paintings, renditions. It wasn't some chubby cherub with wings. It wasn't, you know, like, it didn't have these massive appendages with a, with a, a flaming sword, you know, all the little stories I'd heard in the Bible didn't match any of that

stuff. But my, my, my, my, my sense was, this is what it was. It was some sort of angelic being. And it was, it was, it was there as some form of an advocate from my mother, whether just a protector or just, my sense of it was, it was in some way just ministering to her. I don't know, I don't know what that means. That was the sense I got. But at the same time, its presence and the countenance and it was so powerful. It was terrifying. Well, I mean, I can understand that. I definitely can understand that because you hear of these different kind of experiences that people have and stuff and just being in the presence of, you know, even an angel, just say it was an angel. That can be a very terrifying experience

given the certain circumstances. There's obviously times that it's a very peaceful experience, but it depends on who's on the receiving end of what. I mean, people have heard the stories of my grandfather, and when he was in the ministry, when he was younger, they were under the assumption that people were going to, you know, storm their camp and destroy things. And so the men stayed up overnight, and these guys show up three, I think it was like three different times. And each time they showed up, they brought more people, but they didn't go any further than the driveway because what they said was there was these like tall 12 foot tall angels standing their guard in the camp now in that moment these men wouldn't go any further why because they were terrified

but my grandfather didn't feel anything he didn't even see these things they never saw them and there's times that people say they saw angels and it was a very soothing uh ministering like you said ministering type experience uh but if you're on the other receiving end where you know they're there being like, watch it, buddy. You know, like, it can be a terrifying experience. I mean, imagine seeing something 12 feet tall, gigantic, and it's looking at you like, yeah, take one more step. You know, it's like, ah, no, I'm just going to, I'm going to go back.

I'm going to back out. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, there's, I mean, there's something to be said to that. And even when you read accounts in scripture, I mean, people that encounter an angle, some of them would fall down as if they're dead. Some of them, you know, even when Daniel was, you know, fast, it said that, you know, he encountered this thing. He kind of fell down as a dead man.

And the ones, it said the people that were with and the servants, they all just ran for the hills, terrified. So, you know, and they weren't like his enemies. They weren't trying to do anything bad, you know, but they're just, you know, like crap, what is this thing? And took off. So I, yeah, man, I can't explain it, you know, but that's, that was my response.

Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, man. It's very interesting. And I want to keep moving. in here because there's a little bit more I want to get to. I think we're going to have to bring you back for a patron show because I know you have a lot of experiences to share, but I do want you to hit, before we get into the move, you move to, let's just say, you move to the farm or whatever it was, you moved to a different area, and there's experiences

that you had there. And I'm not sure where this falls in the timeline, but before we move to the farm unless it's relevant. Tell us about this story of this arm that came out of the wall. That is just, wow. So the timeline for that is, okay. Remember I previously said I hated that house. I didn't like being in that stepdad's house. Well, this is the reason the first night we were there. My brother and I, my twin and I, I have older siblings, but they're like way older, and they were already in college, like I said, yada, yada. But, So we move in, we go up this creepy dark hallway that has no lights. It's a stairway in a hallway that there's no lights up to it.

We go in, our room again is directly through the left, and we have two twin beds there. And I stepdad's set up for us room. That's pretty nice. And it's bedtime. You know, if we moved in, I want to say it was pretty late when we moved in. Like, it was just kind of like a night, and boom, we're there. And my brother and I have no idea on it. this is our

not our home. Like, my parents do it to us. I moved to the farm. Same thing. We just showed up at a farm one day and we never left.

So we're in a strange place. It's weird. And as we're kind of like picking beds, I picked the far bed on the far left because there's a window and when the second floor

was a great view. And my brother picked the bed that was closest to the wall that was the wall dividing us from the stairwell.

And as we're sitting on the beds and kind of like, I don't know, if you're jumping or playing or whatever, we're just kind of getting their stuff. An arm, like a muscular man's arm, nothing crazy, you know, just like

very well built, from about the shoulder out, comes out of the wall, and it was like it kept its hand bent, and I don't remember the hand was open or closed, I think it was open. And it was like, you kind of like a silly old, like, a, you know, chopping motion.

Like, you're going to chop a board like karate style, you know? Yeah. Well, this arm just kind of does like a crescent, you know, swipe and just makes this swiping movement on the wall. And we both saw it. We didn't acknowledge it, and it left the mark, like a smear, like a smudge, where the fingers or hand would have been. like almost like you know when you see like a tree that rubs against you know a building or a metal building and it kind of rubs the pain

it was like it was as if it had just been scrubbing on this thing and it just left the mark in the wall but it was like a dark kind of a dirty smudge and as it went down it just kind of vanished I don't think I don't remember if it went back into the wall I don't I don't remember any part and we both saw it we didn't directly, it wasn't like directly in our line of sight,

it was kind of off the side, but it wasn't entirely perfily. And we both saw it. I mean, it was a Caucasian hand, our arm, a forearm and hand. And yeah,

it's swiped in the wall, and then it was gone. And this is like, and this is like, we're up in that room for five minutes, and this happens. And so that's up the tone for the entire time we were there.

and we were like, nope. Like, this is, and I asked, I said, did you see that? And he said, yeah. And we kind of like gathered the courage together and to look at it and there was a smudge. Now, as far as the smudge goes, I don't remember being there prior,

but I honestly wasn't paying attention until that arm did it stink. Yeah. So I'm not going to say that it's the cause of whatever that mark was, but that mark stayed there I don't remember his painting over it. I don't remember as trying to wash it off or nothing.

It was just like this permanent thing, which was kind of a terrifying reminder. It wasn't real heavy duty. It wasn't like fresh marker or fresh paint. It was like a smudge, like a smear that looked like it'd been there for a little while. It was kind of dirty. And had the motion of the hand not been there, you know, I don't know if it would have noticed.

I don't know if it would just look like a sting or what to us. But we both saw it. And, yeah, so that was the first night in that house. Wow. So, I mean, who know, maybe there was something, you know, like now I'm thinking about, you know, that, what I presume was the angel. Maybe there was something going on there, and it was protecting my mother, you know, because where that arm was, you know, her room was right on the other side of that hall. So, you know, I don't know. And I do remember the basement of that home was really, really.

really freaky. Now, every little kid, you know, scared the basements, but I can, I can, I don't think I ever went into the hole of the basement ever. And the place was freaky. We never went down there. I never saw my stepdad down there. We had two outbuildings that he utilized in a garage, but no one ever went in the basement. And I think it was a, yeah, yeah, nobody ever went in. I don't, I don't even know where the, my mom had to go in there. I think this was a laundry question. So we wouldn't go in there. We, we wouldn't go in there. We, we, we, we, we, we quick not going there. So yeah, that was what started that whole ordeal. So that's the arm story. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's, that's got to be frightening and terrifying as a kid, you know, seeing that it just kind of, you're right, it sets the tone for the rest of the experience at the house and stuff. It's, it's just really one of those experiences that would really just scar somebody. I can't imagine, you know, how I'd feel if I saw something like that. Now, when you saw this thing, I mean, how, how, how, I don't know if massive is the right word, but how big was this? I mean, was this like an abnormally large arm or was it like just like a normal human looking size arm that was just real muscular?

No, it wasn't giant. It looked like a regular man's arm. You know, like I would say, you know, if the individual, you know, could have been anywhere, you know, and again, you know, I'm looking back years and years. I would say, you know, five foot 10 to six foot. You know, just a normal human, it was a man's arm. It looked like a man's arm. It was very, it was very toned. It was very muscular. You know, I don't know, you know, 15-inch biceps. Yeah, I know.

It was big, dude. It was like a well-built dude's arm. Wow. It's weird to describe. Yeah, no. I've never seen anything again like it, you know. no yeah i mean it is what it is i mean you see you see what you saw uh and it's just it's just it's just very odd to me uh i don't i don't even know i don't even know what to ask you about it i mean it's a

freaking arm i mean like you know it's and it wasn't like an annual event it wasn't like a nightly routine like we never saw anything like that again um other than that you know and a couple's pretty like it's a weird you know like a horse got drunk down the street and caused a fatal accident. Like there was, you know, stupid stuff like that, but nothing else happened in that house, you know, with that, it was the angel. And as far as I can recall, nothing else.

And that never happened again. So we quickly, you know, got over it. But it was a weird way to start. Yeah, for sure. So why don't we just move into some of the farm stuff? I mean, you've had several different things happen and stuff and just kind of walk us into, you know, what happened. All right.

So, like I said, I want to say we were 10 or 11. No, and it had been nine. I think we were around nine. We moved to the farm, southeastern Wisconsin, far northwestern Illinois. My folks didn't like the way things were going where they were at with the schools. They wanted to, my mom, she had, she was just short of her teaching degrees, so she decided to homeschool us, got us up to a 24-acre parcel of land, which I later found out was my, my, my, step dance idea, which was really kind of cool because they were the best years of my life. And he would drive, I mean, literally drive four hours a day to work, just so he could live.

Wow. Yeah, I mean, the guy was, I didn't appreciate him for who he really was and what he did for us until years later. I didn't know. I thought it was my mom's idea, but he did it for us. And it was awesome. You know, best way to grow up, huge. And the farm was well over 100 years old. And we lived, the original, the initial building, or home, homestead was very small. They had a picture of it that was like Surga, 1919 or something like that. And it was very tiny. They put these additions on it on the second floor.

And so they kind of built a house around the house that existed. And the moment we got there, it was really cool, but it was a really cool, but it was also just just odd. It was a weird area and the more I've looked into this area, there's a lot of high strangeness there. You know, we weren't far from Bray Road to Godfrey, you know, stop the grounds, the Beasts of Bray Road, that whole like Kettle Moraine in southeast Wisconsin Corridor, there's a lot of weirdness that happens here. It's kind of like the chestnut ridge of the Midwest. I guess the best way I'd describe it, the more I look into it, you know.

And the road we've lived on was named after the owner, the original farmhouse. And this property had been there forever. And then they sub-lotted. But it was still a big property. We had 24 acres of woods behind 24 acres of field, which we called it, we used it. And, but there was always something about that house. And the people that lived there before us, we think there were. something, they were into some stuff and I don't know what, but, but it wasn't very good. Um, and we had, um,

you know, we saw, uh, weird things in the home. There's presence. I would have a, no, I don't know if this is affiliated with the house or it was just something that was, you know, I don't know, just sent to torment me. Uh, in my room, when I, when I, we finally separated the room, so there's two bedrooms upstairs and then another little landing out to the left of the stairs there where we had a set of bunk beds that we, my brother and I used to share in the city. And my mom would frequently sleep there on my stepdad. He was a, she snored like a giant chainsaw. Um, so she would sleep there and, and to the right of that, so as you're coming up to the right was my room.

And then behind the stairs, um, if you went, went to my, if went to the right and he kept going back to which would be at the front of the house. It was my brother's room. So we both shared a room initially. And then we had foster kids who they would live, you know, in that spare bedroom. That later became my bedroom or when family came by. Because it was like a sanctuary. We had horses and stuff.

Everyone come out in the city on the weekends and just hang out. So my brother and I, we would see things and be a presence. But when I got my room, sorry, rarely. When I got my room, old enough we separated. I got my bed. I want to say, you know, early teens or preteen early teens. And again, we didn't have, we had curtains over the doorway. We didn't have doors at that time, the doors later on. There was a small presence that would visit me at night. I never saw it, but I knew it's approximate size, and I knew where it was in my room.

And I stayed up late. To this day, I stay up late. But I think I started because I didn't, I never wanted to go to bed. And it didn't happen immediately. It wasn't like the right from the get-go like at the other house. Or there's some weird things. It's like gradually over time, this little thing. It would always kind of come from, I mean, this little back space was kind of like a little office type area.

And to the left of that was my closet. And then there was this, it was an attic or a crawl space. It was crawl space. um it would kind of come out from from this little office area and just like sit kind of the corner of my bed and it felt like it was just staring at me and it was just this sense of fear and and i and i wasn't there all the time i knew when it would show up it was actually like a presence and i suffer from sweet paralysis and all kinds of stuff around a kid and i don't know if there's something that before it i don't know if i did something to open the door to have that happened in my life i really don't know i wasn't a great kid. But, but, so that was one of the things, um, uh, we had, we had several, there was several UFO type deals that happened on the farm. Um, one time I was out. I told her this, there was this noise. This my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my stepdad was at work. My mom's outside, kind of gardening just in the yard. She's just doing, you know, planters. And we, the, the house is

a hill. And the hill went down, I want to say, about 50 feet. And then it went to, like, this circular driveway. There's a big barn, you know, and it would back up. But you went down. It was a downhill thing. And so the porch was a pretty high. It was small. It was high. And so I heard this noise that sounded like, like a jet engine, like a 747 engine hovering over the house. and it came, it sounded like it came from far away, and it was like descending, and it was going to hit us. And so it got to the point where I was feeling like the vibration from it. It's super loud.

It's overwhelming, but I'm convinced that an airplane is going to hit the house. So I run outside onto the porch and kind of start looking, you know, kind of get toward the end of the porch and start looking. up. And it's, it's, it's, I believe it was like an early summer day, June, July, I'm not sure. Clear skies, maybe a few clouds. Nothing. There's nothing there. And by the time I'm outside, I mean, the decibels are so loud. I'm convinced this thing is right on top of me. I'm looking around, um, but there's nothing. I can't see anything. And my mom is down, you know, around these rocks,

pranings and plowers. And I'm yelling at her because I can't hear myself over the sound, you know, the noise of this thing, this engine. And so I start yelling.

I'm like, what is, what is, what is? And she, she responded and she was mad. She was like,

I was bothered her. Like, why are you yelling? She starts yelling back. But I can't hear what she's saying over this thing. So as I start to,

like, and I'm pulling it up in the sky and I'm looking at her and I'm looking up because I'm trying to where this thing is coming from and when it's going to hit. And I don't remember, I think it faded away. It was almost like someone turned me and off and it just went,

but it was still like, you know, present. It was still like there. But then it just went away. And I'm still yelling. And my mom is now she's mad. She's pissed. What are you screaming about? What are you freaking out about?

Knock it off. And I'm like, you know, did you hear that? Did you hear that? She's like, what are you talking about? I said, what is? I said, where's that engine? Where's that jet engine? Is there a jet? I didn't know if it landed in the field. I'm looking in the fields. You know, maybe it landed behind the bar. I'm looking for smoke. I'm looking for anything to give me an indication of where this plane hit. And it freaked me out because I didn't hear an impact. And she's mad. So she just starts there. And she's going inside. There's nothing. What's wrong with you? You know, she just kind of goes with that to what she's doing. My ears, you know, they're almost raining from this thing. My heart is going to be. is and it's gone. There's nothing.

There's no sign of it. The animals weren't cowareem. There was no indication other than what I heard and felt what had happened. And it was out of all the things that happened to me on that farm, that was the most, one of the most troubling things and unsettling things. Because I, to this day, still have no explanation for it. Now, I've done research. There's exploding head syndrome. which usually happens when you're about to fall asleep or you're, you know, but for that,

I don't only hear one other account of something like that happening from those from another podcaster. And when he talked about it, and he's around the same age as me. And incidentally, he's from the Midwest, so I don't know where he was when this happened to him, but he's actually from, like, the Chicagoland area. He's the only one that's ever said that's talked about something like this that I can recall. Um, but yeah, that was weird. Um, so, so that was one of the events. You're just one of many, many,

just strange, odd, nonsensical things that happened in that area. And there was talk, uh, we had an old guy, um, farmer Nelson. He owned a huge cattle, cattle, um, uh, property, uh, with like hundreds and hundreds of acres. And he was like 97 years old, he invited more for dinner on time. Really cool guy. He had the download on everything in that area because he'd been there for almost a

century. And he told us that there were Indian burial mounds all over that area. That it was Indian land. And he said that, and this is going to sound so cliche,

but he said one day, a bunch of people from a museum. He didn't say it was this been so many years. A bunch of people from a museum. said came and they dug up the graves and they left a bunch of he said he called him white people he said a bunch of white people came and did this so i mean it's cliche as that sounds uh said like that like that was from the horse's mouth and and this this like this is the early 90s this predates

anything on the internet any any any stories you know that were going around you know that's like you know counten fair nowadays and like this guy literally like whips that out that tells us over dinner, you know? It was like random people were asking about history there, and it was weird, you know? So I don't know if there's anything to that. I don't know, you know, if there's some weird sacred land thing.

I don't know, but that area is pretty weird. And I think it's Bigfoot Indian land because we actually lived, technically we lived in what was called the village of Bigfoot, which really was in a village. And it was Bigfoot, Illinois. and there was Bigfoot High School, which was right across the border in Wallworth, Wisconsin. We literally lived almost right on State Line Road.

I could spit on Wisconsin from where I lived. And, yeah, so that was that area. So I don't know if it was, you know, the Bigfoot Indian tribe or whatever. I'm grasped at straws now, just trying to think about it. Sure. But, yeah, it was weird. And we had several experiences that were unusual things following my birth. other home. There was a

old farm across the street. It's probably as old as ours, and we would see things walking, like, paralleling us at night, because we had no curfew. It was awesome. I would go and walk like 11 o'clock

at night, because you're seven miles outside of town. There's nothing happening and my parents were cool with it, so we'd just walk, you know, aside from coyotes, you know, coyotes. There was nothing to worry about. And we were always armed. Like we always had to think of a long knife or swords.

We're just goofy kids. But a tall, dark object would parallel you in this old farmhouse. It was an old dairy farm. And it would block out the light in the windows as you walked with it. It wasn't parallax. It was actually something moving with you because sometimes it would be just ahead of you. Sometimes it would be just behind you. And I didn't see it all the time, but on several people.

Asians I saw it. And my brother mentioned seeing the same thing. So it's just a weird area. The whole area wasn't just one. It wasn't just our place. It was the whole region. All right. Well, let's just take a break right now. And we come back. We will start wrapping up the show with some very interesting stories. This is Wes with Sasquatch Chronicles. And you're listening to The Confessionals with Tony Merkel. with all this stuff that, you know, is going on and everything, that black, actually, you know, I can't remember if it was this interview or the one we just did or we did before. Did you talk about the black mass yet from that came down from the ceiling? No. You got to talk about that.

Go into that now because what I want you to do from here, because I know there's tons of things you guys experienced. Yeah, yeah. What I want you to do from here is I want you to share that story. of, you know, how it appeared before you, what went into that? Because I know you were, you know, pursuing, you know, the offensive when this happened. And so I want you to go into that and then also share about the girl who manifested on your property. And then we'll wrap things up after those two stories. But I definitely want you to go into these two stories.

Yeah, thanks for real net back. Okay, so I want to say I was a rough. gosh man, between 14 and 17. It's a little handy. I want to say I was probably older. I had to have been a little bit older, maybe than I was 16 because I had a bunch of high school friends at the time. Now we were homeschooled.

On my freshman year, I decided to go back to school because I was cheating my way through homeschool. I'm like, wait a, I'm going to graduate soon. I'm going to be an idiot. So I actually paid my... I'm just being honest. I actually paid my way to go through high school. I was working at the time, whatever.

And so I developed these two groups of friends. I had these groups of church friends, church is a youth part of our life. And I started getting really serious about God. And I'd had some significant experiences in my youth group with my local youth that were, I would say, spiritual kind of spiritual awakenings, where I was encountering what I believed to be the presence of God, and it was different than anything

else before, because I was actually actively being attentive to it. And then I had all these other friends, and I was kind of a misfit. I wasn't into sports. I wasn't into, you know, I wasn't super academic. I was into skateboarding and punk rock. I was in a punk rock band, and, you know, And so I didn't really fit the motif, the conservative Christian motif of my church, but I had a lot of friends, and we had this awesome property. So one day, I don't know how it came. I don't know if my parents came up with that. I don't know if we came up with it. I think I did.

I think maybe it was even related to a birthday. I said, hey, you know, my dad, maybe it was, maybe my youth leaders said they wanted to do something. But on the alternate, I said, hey, because somehow it ended up where my church friends were going to come and have this big shin dig on our property. It was going to last all night, you know, and the kids would go home afterwards. And it was just, you know, bonfire. We attached to bog into our Jeep and put hay bales on it and dragged the kids all around the field. It was awesome. And I said, well, here's a good opportunity because for my friends, my secular friends, the kids from school,

school, it didn't go to my church, didn't really know like I was a Christian at all. Maybe I should invite my other friends to, and we could all get together, and it would be this really cool thing, and that don't see, hey, you know, Christians are, they don't suck or whatever. Like, I don't know what my thinking was behind it, but, but I wanted to, like, kind of unify the two lives I had. I think it would be like some sort of closure for me psychologically. And so I decided to have my secular friends come out and with my Christian friends being there, my youth. And there was a lot of kids, you know, like, I don't know, like 15, 15 kids or so, plus a few youth leaders.

And so I got the punk rock going. I don't remember my parents being there. It's like they left the place to us and the youth leaders. And we had a great style system. Hot dogs, whatever, the whole nine yards. All my Christian friends come out and then all my secular friends start showing up here and there. And I was playing, I remember I was playing Brohan by Pennywives because the album just dropped. And my youthful leaders kind of got, you know, a little uncomfortable with it with this punk rock.

So this band, Jars of Clay, just released their, like, their premiere album, it was like huge, and they plugged it in and say, you know, if you play this, can be on. They didn't want to lose any Jesus points. So they're playing. I'm playing. I'm like, this is actually really good. You know, like, this is decent, you know. So I'm trying to get... And for whatever reason, I don't remember where they were. I have my really good friend, I'm going to call them Tommy and his girlfriend, Rachel.

I don't remember where they were. They were in the campfire or whatever. Rachel, they were very gothic, into the gothic. E.D.M music, 9-inch males. you know, Robert Smith and the cure, like that whole era, you know, was booming back then. And they always wore black. Rachel, sorry, had her hair up, you know, like, I don't know how many cans of hairsprays she used. And she was your, you know, she looked just like Winona Ryder from Beetle Juice.

It was like that, like just all black. The hair was up like that. And she, she was very troubled. lady, but I love these guys. You know, they were my friends. They were cool. You know, these are kids I knew in grade school, and then all of a sudden, you only have these second, you know, lives as they get into high school because I'm now

going back to public school. And, but she would frequently act very strange in school. I had her in, um, uh, study hall. I studied all first hour. And she would start doing her thing, her, you know, her, her face of contort, and she would and start jerking her head and whatever and everybody thought she was flowing her out. Everyone thought she was just trying to be an attention grab

or whatever. And there was something about it that always, I was like, no, something's wrong. Like, there's something happening to her because you could see her, the color of her eyes would actually change. And it would get very dark. And they would almost get like a very dull, dark red,

not like illuminating red, almost like a bloodshot crimson, and mixed with like a lot of dark black. And she would start contorting her hands and go up. It was almost as if she was having some form of a seizure, like a palsy seizure. And this would, you know, everyone would be like, oh, shut up, you know, shut up, Rachel locked it off, you know, all the jobs and scream out and blah, blah, blah. And they would take her out and go to the nurse, whatever,

Or she would just calm down, you know, and she would act like nothing to happen. F you know, whatever. But I was just kind of, you know, but I, but I always didn't sit right with me. There's something dark about it. Well, anyways, and this happens shortly after we kick on Jars and Clay. And she comes in the house, Chris kind of has her in the house. He's like, hey, man, you know, she's doing her thing. And amongst our circle of friends, it was no.

Like, it was well known, you know, that this would happen to her period. She would have fits. She would call it a fit. She's having an episode. She's having a fit. But if there's some, I know how to calm her down. Is there some way I can, I can, I can, it's somewhere I can take her. You know, all my, all my personal friends are freaking out.

You know, like, I kind of wig down a little bit, but they're all quiet. Everybody else is just like, oh, I, that, I, it's Rachel. Sorry. And, and so I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, take your, take your upstairs in my room. There's a mattress on the, on the floor. I had my bed, and for whatever reason, I had a match to the floor. You know, like, and, you know, take her up there and go what are we going to get to calm or out. Oh, thanks, Daniel. So they go upstairs. I think at this time I had a door on. Um, so they're up there. And, and, and the room is, it's literally like half of my room is right above the area where we were at, the living room. And then the rest of it is over my step dance room. Um, so that's kind of how to divide was like half and half. So, and there's a lot of us there. I think we are all there because people came in because they were concerned about it, um, from the outside.

And I just got this gut feeling like, are you just going to let this happen? Like, don't just let, like, you can help here. And it was very surreal, it was very weird, but it was like this urgency. Like, you have authority, like, you need to pray for your friends. Who cares what it looks like to everybody else? And this, like, this, something rose up in me, and I'm like, I just, like, took command of the situation. because my youth leaders want to even

doing anything. I said, look, I said, we're going to pray for her. And we're going to gather on

our circle right under, right under my room, which was that, let me remember her. And I said, we're going to pray for her. So let's,

let's do it right now. We're all going to grab her hands and we're just going to pray that she gets better. You know, what I said. It wasn't that inspiring, but,

you know, for the age I was. That was a big deal. And I remember all of my secular friends, my youth, leaders and my Christian friends sitting in a large circle that basically filled the room, we all held hands and we started praying for Rachel.

And I'm just like, you know, you know, I plead the blood of Jesus, you know, because that's what my mom showed me if you told me if you're ever scared, just plead the blood. I didn't know what it meant. I had no idea, you know. And, you know, I don't even know more the prayer. I was something pitilies, something pitiful. It was like, you know, Lord, just help, help Rachel, help, you know, if there's any evil thing going on. We say, you believe now. We plead the blood of Jesus. I don't remember. It was

it wasn't very long, was short. We just prayed. And I remember the presence of God, what I believe to be the presence of God, the presence of the Holy Spirit, food, that room and that house, or that area above and below us. It felt like we were just, it felt like we stepped into a cloud. The atmosphere actually got thicker. It was tangible. You could cut with a knife. And in the presence, and just this piece descended,

and everyone reacted to it. They're just like, oh, and we knew we were done praying. And moments later, like, like moments later, they came downstairs. And Rachel was kind of hanging on Tommy. you know, it was almost like he was lifting her, you know, holding her up, shoulder to shoulder. And he was taller to me, he was about six foot two.

She was probably about five foot eight. And brings her down. She's kind of like, you know, dragging her feet. And she just looks in this awesome. She looks like she ran a marathon, like when she swam a triathlon or something. And the countenance on her face was she was like a whole other person. she was she was she was it was it was like this it was like the the epitome of the word relief was in her face um she just looked she looked exhausted but she looked completely at peace for the

first time i i'd never seen her like that um this is a this is a girl who you know i heard rumors of her parents locking her and a brother in a room um in a closet while they went on vacation like like just horrible things that happened to this young lady i can't confront firm needed, but, but, you know, I'm getting this from her boyfriend at the time. And I were really good friends. She was troubled. Um, it wasn't good. And she, she looked like a whole other person wearing the same skin and clothes. And even Tommy looked different. He just looked like it was as if he knew what he didn't, he didn't know what had happened, what we were doing. Um, it was as if he knew what we had done. And he was just so, it was her attitude. It

was weird. And I said, hey, man, you know, how was Rachel? He's like, oh, man, you know, she's good. Hey, look, guys, thanks for inviting us out. Everything, you know, like, thank you so much. But I'm going to, I'm going to take her home. She's just exhausted and she needs to sleep. Usually after this type of thing, it's really hard for her, you know, but we just want to thank you guys. Thanks so much. And, like, everybody, like, we gave hugs, man. It was like a sense of victory, like something, like we had all taken part something amazing and and and and and and and and and and and we're seeing like the best possible scenario on it you know um like it was it was like watching somebody like um get pulled you know from from from a river when they were drowned it was yeah I can't describe and um so they leave

and everyone kind of gives hugs and like it starts to fit in you know like and it was like whoa man like like that was cool like wow like what happened there. Like, my secondary friends that were sure, like, my pension friends and leaders were not sure either because they'd never seen anything like that. It wasn't, that type of thing wasn't really a reality in our church. It was a little out of the norm, but at the same time, they couldn't deny it, you know, and they couldn't, like, nobody could, it was really weird, like, in the night just kind of ended, like, every just kind of close up shop. It was pretty late anyways. It was, like, 10 p.m. or so, I just kind of close up shop and went home. And I'm just like, man, this is awesome. You know, thank you, God. And it did something at me. I kind of brought a whole new reality into my life. You're like, wait a minute.

Like, maybe there's more to this, maybe there's more to this being a Christian thing. Maybe we can help people, you know, in ways that transcends natural ability. And so that really catapulted me into like just a deeper relationship and pursuing things. And I wasn't a constant. It wasn't a constant in my life because I wasn't in the word. I didn't really get understanding about what had taken place. I just knew something had taken place. So fast forward a few days or a week.

And I'm sleeping in my room. And I'm having the worst bouts of sleep paralysis, nightmares, that sense of foreboding, that thing that would come. It was like it was amplified like a hundredfold. And it would happen every night. And I would wake up and almost forget everything. Forget that anything took place.

I would wake up exhausted. I felt like something was wrong, but I couldn't put my finger on it. And I don't remember if it was a week or two weeks later. I'm coming back from YouTube because our YouTube was a town over, so my mom had to drive us. And I think it was on Thursday nights. Maybe it was Wednesday, but she could drive, and it was a long drive. It was, you know, 20, 30-minute drive from our house.

On the way back, I started to remember, like, a really bad nightmare that I had. So I start telling my mom, like, yeah, oh, mom, by the way, this is, and we're about a mile from my house. And I said, this has been going on. I forgot about it. And I just remembered. It was just like it came flooding back, starts to tell her, and she goes, you know what? I'm telling about the nightmares I had.

I'm telling her, I had this one real specific, troubling nightmare of, uh, I woke up, like I felt like I woke up in it. And I'm seeing all the smoke coming kind of upstairs, like fog. And I go downstairs and there's a smoke pouring out of my stepdad sort of,

just, just pouring out of it. It's like, you know, thick fog, like, like a rock star, like a rock show fog.

But it was smoke. I could smell it. It was smoke. And my stepdad was a smoker. heavy smoker, but smoking forever. And you could have two or three times in the night to have a chocolate milk and a cigarette. And so as I go in towards this room, there's like all these, I could hear chains. I think I saw chains, you know, kind of reading into his room, like steel iron chains, you know.

And there's these things that look like hellhounds. They looked almost exactly like the creatures from the original ghostbuster, the gatekeeper, those dog things, those hell-hound things. They looked, but they had horns, almost like Rams horns, like Dorset Sheet, you know, that curled around, I think. They were gray in color. They had red eyes, and they were all around my stepdad's bed, my stepdad's sleeping. These chains are over his chest, like over his lungs, everything. And it was like they were wrapped tight and painting into the ground and these things looked at me. And the sense I got was, we have him and we're going to take him.

It was really weird. That was like, we have him in bondage. She's ours. And it was a terrifying, like, experience. There was, I don't know how many of these beasts were around him. And they were just, like, the chains were like almost tightening, and wentching him into the mattress. And I wake up.

And so I, I'm. I'm relating this to my mother. And she goes, you know what? She goes, that's weird you say that because, because your stepdad has been having horrible, horrible nightmares along those same lines. And he never has nightmares. Like he never talks about any, you know, he was just kind of one of those guys. Didn't talk about much of anything.

But he was, he's saying, yeah, I'm having really bad nightmares. Things are really bothering me at night. And so I began to put. two and two together for the proximity of my room and my parents' room and what happened. It was like all these lights went on and I was like, oh, no, that happened in my room. What if the reason why she looked so good is because something left her but didn't necessarily leave my room or our house? so I it was it was like I was given some insight and I start putting some things together

I'm like oh crap maybe there's something something's left and I think you know I wasn't you know I was pursuing the Lord but I was in a lot of bondage um a lot of um hidden sins at the time you know a young teenager you know whatever you want to call it I was in some bondage so I think this thing had sort of a legal right to remain. God knows what my brother was doing. Who knows? I don't know. You try to rationalize why is this thing here?

Or why could it stay? And for whatever reason, so I found out later on because I talked to my buddy, Tommy, I said, you know, so what do you do to calm her down when she does this? And basically what he did is, well, I just lay her on a bed or on the ground. and I literally sit on her, like a straddle her, almost like an MMA guy, you know, when he's ground and, you know, ground her and pounding somebody, I hold her arms down, and I sit across, you know, I sit on her waist, you know, butt to hip until she just calms down. And he's like, I just tell her, you know, it's okay, it's going to be all right.

So that would hell is his method. So he did that on that mattress that was on the floor of the room. So I started putting two and two together, two and three together, what do you want to say? And I go, okay. And my mom's like, hey, you know, and I didn't even tell her that part. But I just thought it was going out with me, and she was, well, no, you're with oil. And I was like, you know, just to know what your windows and your door and whatever. And, you know, rebuked his saying in the name of she, because there was another phrase, you know, Christian phrase.

I didn't know what it meant. She's like, you know, she's rebuking it in the name of Jesus. You know, plead the blood of Jesus over your room and rebuke us. I said, okay, you know. And I don't remember she prayed with me beforehand or whatever, but when I got out of the house, there is this sense of a showdown, like just this impending, like I knew before I go to bed that night, something's going to happen. I didn't know what it was.

Yeah. But it was like a full boating almost. So I'm a. about 11 or so, and I'm thinking about this nonstop. I'm thinking about the thing that visits me in the presence. I'm thinking, I'm like, you know what? I'm set up. We pray it over this girl.

Stuff happened. Stuff can happen now. You know, I don't have all my theology 100%, but darn it, you know, God for me, right? So I'm covered myself up, and I'm getting that presence, that, that forboating. And, you know, again, that thing's there. It was just a little presence and it's tormenting me. And I just start thinking about it. And I just, you know, I'm rebuking it.

I'm like, I rebuking the name of Jesus. I'm just putting the blood, Jesus, put the blood, Jesus, you know, just repeating this stuff. I have no idea what I'm saying. You know, I have no faith behind it, just saying this stuff. It wasn't like before when I prayed. And out of nowhere to my remembrance comes a scripture verse that I don't even remember reading, but it's,

It's Philippians 4-8. And it says, finally brothers, whatsoever is true, whatsoever is honorable, whatsoever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely,

whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think or meditate about these things. What you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, this is Paul speaking to a church, practice these things,

and it says, and the God of peace will be with you. That was like downloaded into my being, and I'm like, wait a minute. I've been acting defensively this entire time. I need to go on the offensive. And I just start praying for my friends. I start praying for everybody I know that doesn't know God. I'm like, Lord, I just pray that you know your love.

I just start praying and praying for everyone and everything I can think of, every situation, my own family, myself, everything. I'm just praying for love of God and revelation of God. And I'm no longer worrying about the evil things. I'm praying against them by praying for others. And at the end, I felt so empowered and so like, and I said, in the name of Jesus, I think it was something like that. Get out of her here, not welcome out of her.

So in the most, so I laid, and I think I was laying down at the time, I put my head back. I got the sheets all into my chest. And I hear this noise. It was like this happiness enters the room out of this encroaching darkness that was kind of on the peripheral. And it just gathers like in this concentrated mass. And I had peace a minute ago. And then this darkness filled me.

my, um, it, it started like a, it looked like swirling smoke, like, like, like, like darkness, um, uh, like a dark cloud. I don't remember it started small or it was just there. I don't entirely remember. And it, it started filling the ceiling of my room. And so, like, the whole half of my room was this dark swirling cloud, like, like a storm brooding. And my life, my life, my lights are off. I don't have any lights on. My lights are off. There's really no light coming in from anywhere. But this thing was so dark. It was visible, even in the darkness. And in my roof, the seam in my room, it felt like the roof of the house shudders. Like it felt like it jumped. It sounded and felt like it jumped off its hinges. Like the roof separated from the frame of the house. And the weirdest thing about it, was for a moment, the moment that that happened, I could actually see starlight between my wall and my ceiling as if it had separated. So I don't know if, I don't know if it physically happened. I don't know if something happened in my spirit. I don't know if I left my body.

I don't know of it. I just remember this incident specifically happening. I don't remember recall if it was me if I was in my body out of my body I don't know what caused it or how but so that happens that noise I see starlight and I'm like whoa and all of a sudden this dark mass almost like it

condensed into a human form and used my roof as a springboard to push towards me and it was as if it was matching or matching my shape in the bed and I felt like a dead I felt like a corpse I slipped with my arms

folded and I think I still my arms to my side at that point because I was skateboarding and I had weird elbow injuries and my arms would lock up if I didn't

and so I had my arms to the side and my legs together and this thing it's over me directly but it's like spread almost like spread evil but it's matching it's matching my position

that it's directly above me and it's a humanoid shape couldn't tell for a male female couldn't tell it war of It was just black. It had been mentioned to it. It was as if somebody in one of those black spandex suits had descended from the ceiling, right?

And they were kind of spread eagle over me. And this thing started to descend, but it got to point out, and there was this building tension as it has happening and it's forming and it's coming down. And I'm going to say, a few feet from me. all of a sudden, to the point where I actually turned my head, I think, to the left. Because it says it coming down, I go, and I go, and, Jesus, because I didn't know what it's to do. I'm scared. And when I said that, it shot down at me so fast that I turned my head because I was expecting an impact.

And I clenched up. And I clutched my jaw. And I was like, in like a millimeter from my feet. face and vanished. I'm like, holding breath. I got my head to decide. I'm like almost cramping

from contracting my entire body, bracing for this impact. And I'm just like, Jesus, Jesus, you know, like, it was gone. There was nothing. The presence was gone. The wickedness,

the evilness, this darkness. Everything was gone. My ceiling had returned to normal. It was as if nothing had ever happened. I'm just kind of recovering. Laying there, still with my head to the side, slowly

kind of release, kind of, I'm grateful. I'm like, I'm just like, whoa, whoa. And that was it. It never came back. That thing that used to visit me in my room never came back.

I never felt that presence again. The entire atmosphere in my room was different, really from that, from that moment on, I used to suffer from strange irrational fears. That was gone. And it was like a final showdown, and it, I don't know, man, it was like it was pissed. It was like a bluff charge before it left. And so that's, I think that's how that started, because something got left behind.

and that's how it ended. Wow. So, yeah, that's, uh, I believe that I recall. So, and listen, you know, from the recording that, that I get earlier, because I want to know if it, if it matches up because I'm, I'm, I'm just interested in myself, you know, like, but that's what I recall.

That's, that's, um, the answer, and I did, I was like doing it as I'm telling you because I could, I could almost feel, my body like reliving it yeah no absolutely I mean it definitely it definitely hearing it the second time is just

just as crazy I can send you our original recording it's it's you know I can send it to you it wasn't it wasn't the best recording audio quality but you can listen in on it but yeah no it's

man I'll tell you that that experience is heavy, very, very heavy. And to experience that at any age, but particularly a kid, because, you know, as kids, you're dependent on your parents for protection. And you have this sense of security when you're at home and mom and dad are home and things like that. And to have this attack going on, it can be scary for sure. Did you ever tell your mom what happened? I don't think I did, which is interesting. I never even thought about that until you just asked that right now.

I don't think. I mean, maybe I did years later, but it wasn't like, Mom, you know, I didn't like run down seriously. Like, you'll never believe what happened to me. You know, like, it was, I don't think I told anybody for years. It was just like this very transcendent experience of like one reality became even more of a reality. And I kind of had to process it. It was so, I had no reference for it.

You know, I don't even think I was like big into horror films or anything like that back then. I didn't know how to process it. But the spiritual world was reality in our lives for as far back as I could remember. So to me, yeah, because I didn't know stuff like that wasn't necessarily normal. I knew that it happened. I didn't, you know, it didn't happen with a great frequency. I couldn't always discern maybe what was something weird or necessarily demonic or spiritual. But, yeah, man, I don't remember telling my mom about it at all that I can recall.

I mean, maybe years later, I think I would have to because I could relate a lot of stories about the how. about the farm years later, we kind of all got together one by, you know, little by little and sort of putting things together, my twin and I and my mother, and was like, okay, you know, it wasn't just me. There was a lot. Right. There was a lot of there. So. Yeah, you know, when I was a kid, I remember distinctly remember seeing, like this shadow on a, on the ceiling of my bedroom. Similar thing like we were talking about earlier, you mentioned about having to take a nap. I remember I was in my room, it was the middle of day, and I was supposed to be sleeping, so I must have been needing to take a nap, so I was young. And I remember seeing the shadow on the ceiling. It was like the upper torso in a head. And I just, in my mind, it looked like a figure of, you know, something.

but I wasn't, I was like, well, maybe it's, maybe it's a shadow coming from outside. And so that doubt in my mind, I don't think I ever told my parents about that, you know, because it's just like, oh, well, I just don't know, you know, what that was, that was, and it scared me, but, you know, it might have been just a shadow from outside, and I don't, I don't want to say something if I'm not sure, you know. And those are things that run through your head as a kid. You know, even though you're innocent and stuff and your family or people that you rely on for security, you still don't want to sound silly and you don't want to bring up something like that if it's not real, you know?

Yeah, absolutely. And I don't think, like, you know, it's your typical rebellious teenager, even though I was having, you know, some, you know, maybe, you know, some life-changing, you know, spiritual moments. So my, you know, my parents and I, we argued more than we got along, you know, that's just that age. So I don't, you know, I don't even think I felt necessarily comfortable relating to her on that level, except for, you know, certain moments because even when I told her in the car, it wasn't like, you know, mom, I need your help.

This is happening, you know. It was just like, I just, I literally remembered and just vomited it out. Oh, I could have these nightmares, you know. I wasn't looking for like a resolution from her, you know. I just told her. So, yeah. Wow. Well, Tim, I appreciate you coming back on here and sharing some of these stories again.

But, you know, we'll have to have you come back on to kind of, you know, talk about some of these other experiences that you had and just kind of, you know, discuss and things like that. So I do look forward to having you back on at some point in the future for a patron show. And just to let people know, Tim, I really do. appreciate your patience with me. We originally recorded your episode back in November 2017. And it was a while ago. And it just got lost in the shuffle. And I just, I come across it a couple months ago. And I remember messaging you saying, hey, I still want to air your show. I just, you know, it just got lost in the shuffle. And so I'm really glad that we're able to get this out now and stuff. Even though we had to re-recorded, I'm glad we're getting your start.

out there because it's definitely one that I really enjoyed hearing. So I appreciate you coming on, man. Absolutely. Yeah, thanks for the opportunity. And yeah, yeah, let's do that, that patron thing. And if anybody struggled with anything like that or whatever, you know, just want to, you guys are not alone, people are not alone. And, you know, I don't need to push a particular religious worldview or anything like that. But if there's, you know, if, you know, if, you guys, you know, somebody, I'm just kind of opening this up to you, man. You know, like, if there's somebody that needs help with stuff or something or has something going on, I need someone to talk to, I'll be more, you know, you know, you can,

you'll vet them or whatever. I'll trust you to do that. But, you know, we can arrange a way to get information because a lot of the reason why I do this and why even thought about, you know, agreeing to talk to you is I, you know, I see shows and I hear hundreds and hundreds of podcasts, I've been doing, you know, We're listening a podcast for the better part of a decade. And I hear people, they don't get the help they need, or they're treated very poorly by people of a faith.

You know, they're told, oh, there's something wrong with you, or you were in some sort of sin, or you did something to deserve this, or they're straight of rejected, you know, go see a psychiatrist or whatever. So I just putting that out there, that you're loved, I believe that your experiences are real. And I do believe that you can have relief from it.

And you're not alone. And not every person who's a profess Christian thinks that way. So I don't know. I just felt like saying that. No, it's fine. That's absolutely fine, man. Definitely, if somebody, you know, once again, touch with you, we can arrange that and exchange information for you and for them.

But, yeah, man, I appreciate coming back on and talking with me. Thank you, Tony. You'd be blessed. You and your family. We wish you much success, man. All right, take care. All right, take care. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And remember, if you've had an encounter or a story, you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. That's the Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. Or go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com. Hit the connection section, and you can reach me that way as well. I'll talk to you guys later. Take care. Stay safe. And I'll see you right here next Saturday night

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