The Confessionals - RELOADED | 80: Finding More Than Just Bigfoot

Episode Date: May 5, 2025

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Merkel Media I guess it's time to go back in time Are you telling me you built a time machine Kind of a Dolion Time is but a stubborn illusion

I have a lot of memories Of the past People are time traveling Within themselves Time travel Is possible This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed but no one was supposed to talk about it.

Beach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. But the giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. somebody else shoot them in the face shoot them in the face they basically decapitated feel something pulling at my leg and i look over and there are two get pulled off the best bush and i touch air couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because i know i'm seeing a monster okay i reload it welcome to the show everybody you are listening to the confessions i am your host tony merkle and thank you very much for being here if you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share on the show go ahead and shoot me

an email or you can go to the website the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the connection section and you can reach me that way as well. Either way it works for me, just get a hold of me. So this week's show, we have Eric coming on and Eric actually has lots of experience to talk about. He is an investigator of anything weird and unusual when it comes to dogman, Bigfoot, UFOs. He sent me videos of lightning coming out of the sky all crazy and everything. I mean, the guy really has just a lot of different stories, a lot of different experiences. And we just kind of tacked. into it a little bit tonight. So without any further delay, let's get Eric on the show right after this. Okay, tonight we have a great guest coming on, Eric, and Eric is actually a patron of the show,

and him and I met each other back. Eric, what was it, October? Yeah, October of 17. Yeah, I went to that Bigfoot conference in New York at Chautauqua Lake Bigfoot Expo, and I was speaking there. And you and I talked out on the balcony afterwards, and, you know, we had a great conversation. And then I remember they were asking people to share their Bigfoot experiences. And you got up and you actually went up front and you started talking to people. And I kind of got preoccupied because I was doing other things and working some tables and stuff like that. And I remember like time.

I mean, legit time went by and you were still going. I was like, this two would be really good to have on my show. And so we've been working on this one for a while, you know, like you cancel, I cancel because of weather and things like that. We're finally able to do this, and I'm really glad we can because you got a lot of cryptic sightings and experiences. You're an active. Do you call yourself an investigator or a researcher? I've heard it called as like a glorified camper, even though I'm not like spending, like I'm not doing overnight. Not yet, but I would say I'm a little of both an investigator or researcher.

If I hear of something going on, I think the investigators get a story from something. somebody and then they look into it. And then I think a researcher actually takes initiative and go, well, these are my definitions. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, then so be it. But I mean, I'm not like I'm accredited or not like you could be accredited in the cryptosol. But it's just, it's, I'm curious about it. I'm fascinated by it. It's one of those things where once I realize what was happening and what was going on around me, it's just, it's crazy. It's like I tell people, it's like you're holding open a book of mythological creatures. And whatever page you're on, say it's a minotaur or a centaur, just who jumps off the page and lands right in front of you.

And you're like, oh, hi. You know, like, it's, and it's so funny because in all the Facebook groups that I'm on with these, you know, people who tell their stories and stuff like that and their experiences. and like Dave Grove says, you know, he's a knower. I'm a nor. I'm a believer. I was a believer, but now I'm a knower.

I know they exist. And the evidence is just, is rampant in this area. And I live in the western New York area. I'm 20 minutes east of Niagara Falls and about 20 minutes north of Buffalo. So it's kind of like a little triangle. But as you go outside of the cities, we get pretty,

it's pretty green, pretty wooded. You know, a lot of orchards. crazy stuff. And it's like, I'm getting stories from people. I'm hearing stuff from other people. And it's just, it's just, it's like, it's like playing Tetris. These blocks are just falling into place. And I'm just out looking for them. Yeah. And that's the thing that I like about you, man, because you're very active. I mean, this is something that interests you and you take it serious and you follow through on reports and you go out there, you're out, boots on the ground. Kind of like how I was before I started this show. I mean, I've said it before. I don't have the time like I used to to go out in the woods and stuff because, you know, the show takes a lot of my time up and stuff, all my free time that I actually do have.

So like seeing what you're doing and stuff really reminds me of what I was doing before the show started. And I'm actually looking forward to trying to get back out in the woods this year. I'm going to try to start getting out there early Saturday mornings before the baby wakes up kind of thing. But we'll see how that goes. Anyways, we're here to talk to you about some of your experiences. So, you know, had this all start for you. just take it back to the beginning, you know, like, how did you get interested in the topic? When did you realize the topic was actually around you geographically? And, you know, just walk

us into some of the experiences that you've had since then. Well, my story actually, my very first podcast I ever talked to, it was to West Ghermer on Sasquatch Chronicles, you know, your buddy there. And it's so funny when I was reading the notes afterwards, you know, it was my first time I've run a podcast. I was nervous. And of course, being a New Yorker, you know, we could talk 500 words a second. So everybody was like, what coffee is he on? I want that stuff. So what had happened was I had an experience when I was a kid, but I never really put two and two together. My cousin and I, they live, this is my, on my father's side, he is an older sister. He has two older sisters. So it's the middle sister, the second one. And they have this beautiful house down

and it's basically set in the woods. It's in the ski, the ski zone or ski area, the snow belt, as we call it, because that's the area. They just gets pounded with snow coming right off, the lake effect stuff coming around off Lake Erie. So they're up on a hill and I would always go up there. My cousin was, he's three years younger than me. So I was either 9 or 10 And so that means he was 6 or 7 And we went down Excuse me

We went down behind their house In the woods There's a creek that runs through there So We went down there And I kind of did what we used to call in the military When I was in Korea The kimchi squat

You see all the Koreans They kind of like sit their butts on their heels You know And they kind of like wrapped their arms Around their knee stuff like that I can't do that anymore I got too much catcher equipment in front of me. But it's the phone way of putting it.

I carry my winter weight year round. So as a kid, I'm reaching into the creek. Now, we would find salamanders, toads, frogs. And we were looking for creefish to stay in the water, you know, minnows, tap, poles, stuff like that. So I'm trying to move this one rock, and I'm moving it real slow so the water doesn't get all cloudy. And as I'm bringing it over,

my focus is on the creek. All of a sudden, my cousin Joshua, he's standing up over my left shoulder. I hear him go, what's that? I looked up at him, and then when I looked where he was looking, I see something moving behind a tree. Now, that tree is still there.

Obviously, that creek is still there. I have since gone back, and I've measured it. That tree where we were was roughly, I think I came up with like 25 yards from where we were. So that was interesting to be there that close. And what happened was I saw it moving behind the train and I saw it lean back out. And my cousin took off running and then if he goes, I go,

I was right behind him. And my aunt's house, I would say we probably had to run a total of no more than 100 feet, maybe 30 yards. So between 30, 35 yards, we had to run back to the back of the house, and boom, we came busing in. And in my aunt's house, the floors, you know, we had to go running up the spiral staircase. So we come in, we're yelling and screaming.

So the kitchen's actually on the second floor. The first floor, when you come in, it's kind of like a sitting room parlor. You know, they got a big TV and couches down there, whatever we want to call it. So we came in there. We had to go up the stairs because we were like yelling for, you know, he's yelling, mom. I'm yelling at Maryland. And she's like, I'm upstairs, boys, making lunch.

So as we were right up there and we're like, you know, a 10-year-old and a seven-year-old all hyped up for seeing us. We just saw something in the woods, this, the other blah, blah, blah. So we're really into it. You know, we're excited and probably anxious too at the time and maybe a little scared, whatever. And so she's like, all right, calm down, calm down. what happened. I go, we saw something really huge out there by a tree. And then my cousin Joshua goes, he goes, yeah, mom. He goes, this thing was bigger than Uncle Mike. My father, who still stands six foot five to this day. I mean, he's, they still call him Mike the giant in the old neighborhood

where he grew up in North Buffalo. So my dad is very tall. I'm at six foot. I'm shorter than him. But at the time, you know, when you're a kid, you're what, maybe three, three and a half feet tall. So yeah, my dad looks giant to us. And this thing. towered over my father. And the thing of it is my aunt, and there's another story where I think they know that these things are out there because, as I call it, my aunt detoured our memory. She kind of like suggestively said, did you guys see, or did you boys see a big deer out there? And I remember, look at my cousin Joshua, and he looked at me and I looked back to my aunt,

and I looked at Joshua again, and he did the same. and I remember putting my arms up kind of like rounded. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, did it have a big antler? Did they have the antlers like this? And Josh was like, I don't know. And we're kind of like trying to figure it out.

And my aunt, you know, really throws a curveball at us and goes, well, it's almost lunchtime anyways. Go wash your hands and then, you know, go play video games. So of course, you know, snap of the fingers. Oh, boy, video games, you know, we just completely forgot about whatever was in the woods, ran into the bathroom, wash your hands. off to play video games.

So that was the first time I saw something in the woods. Well, now... Let me ask you real quick, before you go any further, the, when you saw this thing and you said it went behind a tree and it peaked back out,

what was the body language like when it did that? Did it, like, first of all, I'm assuming it didn't fit completely behind a tree, but you can correct me if I'm wrong on that. but like when it peaked out, was it like leaning to its side or was it something like it was, um, its side was like kind of like parallel with the tree and you guys and it kind of leaned backwards to look at you.

From, from when I can remember, I, I remember the, it's so funny because I kind of remember it almost reminds me of like Chewbacca from Empire Strikes back when his head pops up over the snow dune and they're trying to get that imperial probe droid and he distracts it and then you know, Han Solo blessed. Yes, I'm a Star Wars nerd. Can't help it. What I remember seeing is, I remember seeing it,

a shoulder and head going like behind the tree. So I think it actually like, because with these things as being as wide as there, I want to say it was, it was maybe like its shoulder was perpendicular to us. And then when it went to lean out,

it had to turn its whole upper body and then lean out. And so the head could, come out too and look at us because when it came back out the second time i remember it being brown and shaggy long hair um it was like it was over his face so i never really got a good look at the face but i remember that shoulder coming out and their head coming out with it so i think it was it was like like maybe um how could i put it like if you're gonna before you peek around a corner you know, you kind of like line up on that wall,

but you're actually against the wall or this might be like 90 degrees to the wall. So it was like 90 degrees to us, but it had to turn another 90 to look at us. That's how I think I, uh, this thing came out. So it could be because as big as these things are for it to just lean out and then try and like hide its face behind the tree,

this thing's shoulders are still going to be seeing, or be seen, I should say. So I think it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, particular loss, but I had to turn and come out that 90 degree turn to look at us to see what we were doing. And that's when we said, see you. And then we went back the house. You know,

it's, it's interesting that you said it looked like Chupacca because, uh, I, there's a government, I don't know if I can call him a government. Let's just call him an insider. Uh, he knows stuff. He's actually, uh, done a lot of work, uh, that's, you know, no talking kind of thing. Like, you don't talk about it. And I'm trying to get him on the show. But one of the things that I heard him say was that he has worked on a lot of extraterrestrial biology. Let's just put that way.

Because he didn't always operate on full body entities. But like sometimes he would be summoned to, you know, they'd have like just an inch wide piece of flesh. And he was supposed to take just a little piece off of that. And that's just his, that was his. job. He had to take a tissue sample off of this, tissue sample off of that. He's worked on over 3,000

specimens and he's worked on full body ETs and he has worked on just little pieces of flesh. But I say all that because he said that one of the most accurate

depictions of an extraterrestrial in Hollywood is Chewbacca. And isn't that interesting? Yeah. So, I mean, because you hear people say that, you know, they've seen Bigfoot come out of UFOs or they, or when they see a Bigfoot, there's always a UFO setting around that time and around that area. And so there, you know, people and I highly encourage people to, you know, explore the parallels of these different subjects, you know, because there are a lot of parallels. And I just found it interesting that you said that. He said that. And it's just like, we're talking Bigfoot tonight, but he was talking extraterrestrial and makes you wonder, you know, like, what's really going on? Yeah, yeah, and that's the thing. It's like I said, but me, I consider myself a triple crown winner of

paranormal experiences where UFO sightings. I've had two of them. The ghosts or angels and demons, whatever want to call them, I've had that stuff happen too. And then, of course, you know, the cryptids. So, like I said, all three corners of that pyramid. And, of course, there's always those gray areas in between.

Like, you know, are they extraterrestrial, or are they extradimensional? Are they interdimensional? like L.A. Marzuli always always, like, a willing participant, like, to learn. I listen to so many different shows, so many different podcasts. And it just, I just sit there like a sponge and soak it all in. But, like, when I was at the Chautauqua Lake Bigfoot Expo down there, it's like I said,

I listened to all these shows, and then I in turn incorporate it to where, like, when I was in the military, we would have all these like all these training uh sessions you know you sergeant's time training you train for this train for that do this do that blah blah blah blah blah blah now react fire iED vehicle born iEDs and just all this different training that you take and then you just absorb it and then apply it absorb it and then apply it so when i hear all these stories and the on all these shows it's like well this guy experienced this so look for this like a prime example you go in the woods when the woods go quiet My ears are perked.

My spiny senses, you know, are like, I'm putting the feelers out. They're like, okay, what is going on that everything just shut down? No birds, no crows, no nothing. Everything just shut up. What is coming into the area? So, you know, that process right there, and like I said, as I've listened over the past, oh, four years now from when I had my second encounter, if you want to call it that, with my kids

again, same house at my aunt's house down there in Glenwood, New York, across from Kissing Bridge ski resort. That's when it really kicked into high gear and then I was off and running and I was looking into everything. And then I, of course, found Death Squash Chronicles. I started to listen to that.

And then from there, it just branched off to like Bear and Cumbo and, oh, dear God, everybody. Vic Cundiff, Brent and son, and then you came along. I said, I listened to you. And then there's Lance's show, Lance High Tower show, the Cryptid Brothers.

And it's just, then of course, it incorporates, you know, Bigfoot dog man, the rake, and then this and that. And just everything just started coming in. I'm just like, holy cow, like this is crazy. But I have always kept an open mind about it. I'm just like, all right, well, let's see what these people have to say. And again,

you learn from it. You pull the parts out that you can, you know, that you've experienced and then stuff you might experience. So you kind of like log that away is like, well, if this happens, maybe this will happen. And if it does, like, okay, I remember, you know, what to do, how to react, stuff like that. Right. So how old are you when you first experienced what you saw? Nine, ten years old. Okay.

Yeah, 81, 82 around there. All right. So that happens to you when you. you were a kid and you go, I guess you just move on in life and you, and you never really thought about it until you were an adult. Is that right? Pretty much, the funny part is it's like, I never really put two and two together until I, like, just about maybe a year ago, I'll think about this. Like, I would take out the books, like, you know, like you said, you know, you would find the book in the library about the Bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster or UFOs or ghosts. And like,

I would pick one out every now and then and I'd read through it, but any kind of TV show that came on, I remember one time there's something about the abominable snowman. I watched it. I saw the Panician Gimmon film. I watched it. And of course, through the years, and of course finding Bigfoot and then Monster Quest

and then all these shows come on. I'm just like every chance I get, thank God for DVR, I would watch it. And YouTube, I watch it and I watch all these videos. And again, it's just that learning process. It's that learning process.

Where are these things? where are they being seen? How big are they? What do they do? What are their characteristics? What are their traits? You know, the whistles, the knocks, the roars, the grunts, the babbling language. And it's just, it goes on and on and on. And it's just, it's crazy. It's just the stuff that happens and then you don't realize it until someone else can confirm it for you. And they say, oh, no, this was this. And you're like, holy crap. How are you? was that close to one, you know, stuff like that. And another thing that happened to me when I was a kid at my aunt's house, after that situation, I would come out every now and that, every couple months. And like I said, the place is wooded. We would have fun. We'd go outside.

We'd play. Oh, I don't know. We'd pick up sticks that look like a gun or rifle. You know, God knows today, poor kids go to jail for it. But, you know, we would go out and play war, soldier, army, or we'd, pretend like we would grab the garbage can lids, the big round lids, and those were shields, and we'd have a stick that looked like a sword, and we would attack trees and probably doing wood knocks, unbeknownst to us. But every now and then, I heard a couple shows on the infrasound,

and I would, whenever I was at my aunt's house, I would come in Friday night, everything goes fine and dandy, spend all day Saturday playing, and then Saturday night. It was always on Saturday night, all of a sudden I would get this debilitating headache. I would feel nauseous. My stomach would hurt. I couldn't, I would take baby aspirin. I would take regular aspirin. Nothing would get rid of this headache to the point to where my father would have to drive

about 35 minutes, 40 minutes from North Buffalo to come get me down there. Or my uncle or my aunt would take me back into North Buffalo to drop me off at home. And then I would need, again, Like they say, you need a full sleep cycle, and then I would wake off Sunday, and I'm fine. Never put two and two together. I thought maybe I was allergic to the cedarwood that the house was built out of. Because it always had to, when I was first built in 77, the house just had this really strong cedar smell. It smells great.

Don't get me wrong. I love that smell. But I always thought, oh, maybe I was allergic to that. That's why I always got sick. But then I started hearing about the infrasound, and I'm like, well maybe that's what it was. So who knows? I'm kind of starting to lean more towards the infrasound

because my aunt's house still has that Cedar Smell and I have gone back since I've been an adult and I've been fine. So I'm starting to maybe look at more, I was getting zapped as they call it, so to speak, you know, with the infrasound. Yeah, you know, the infosound thing is a very interesting topic to look at when it comes to this stuff

because there is evidence of other mammals having infrasound. And so it's not so far fetched anymore when you see it actually throughout the animal kingdom. And, you know, not to mention if these things are some type of paranormal being, but even if they're just a natural animal type being, infrasound is used by tigers as a weapon. So it's something like, you know, is very plausible. I have a friend that experienced it firsthand. At least he believes he did. And I tend to do to believe the same thing because he was being brought into an area that he's never been to

before. He got, for lack of better terms, Zab, pretty much brought him to his knees. And he, the guys that he was with were kind of chuckling about it. And he's like, what are you laughing about? And they're like, this happens to everybody that we bring into the area for the first time. and it's just it's a very interesting thing and that was in uh northwest pa and in northwest p.a it's a very interesting area because of the algini national forest i mentioned that in my talk last weekend at the canonsburg library because uh supposedly there is a dumb uh or i should say um a deep underground military base it's you know the uh it stands for dumb d umb but yep supposedly there's a deep underground military base somewhere in the Allegheny National Forest. And if that's true,

and these things are in the Allegheny National Force, it really makes me wonder if the two are connected in one way or another. But, you know, if they are connected, then is there some type of paranormal slash science ability that these things have that were given to them by the military? These are just questions that you have. You know what I mean? You have to explore. Yeah, they definitely are. Well, it's funny you should bring up the dumb because last summer we went to Fort Carson, Colorado for a family reunion. I know this is a little bit off the Bigfoot topic, but I have a cousin. It's actually my mom's first cousin. Her brother-in-law, her husband's brother, he has pictures of himself in those tunnels under the United States.

Really? I haven't seen them. but my cousin, Cindy, you know, I don't want to say this guy's name is John. Who knows? I'm probably wrong, but, and her husband's like, oh, yeah, he goes, my brother, you know, he goes, you ever hear about all those tunnels under the United States? I'm like, oh, yeah, I hear about him. Oh, yeah, my brother, you know, he helped haul the stone out and this at the other.

And he goes, he's standing in one picture, and it's about, you know, 20 stories high of the ceiling on the thing. He looks like about, he like does his finger, like about a half inch high, his four finger and thumb. He's like, you know, he's like, oh, he looks about that big of the picture. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, you're pulling my leg. He goes, no, no, I'm serious. I'm like, really? Of course, because we were out there in Fort Carson, Colorado. And you could, where we were, you could see, it's whatever that mountain is right there by Fort Carson.

Or we were in Colorado Springs, I should say, or south of it. But you can see that, that it's got all the antennas on top of the head. and I'm just like, that's crazy. And then I was doing like a Google map thing and I found this one air base and this one airfield. There's a road called Enoch Road or Enoch Drive or something like that. I'm like, huh, interesting. I'm just like, oh, come on, really?

I'm just like, wow. And it's just, again, it brings up that investigative side to me where I'm like, okay, so what's this supposed to me? So it's just, it's, yeah, dude, it's crazy, Tony. it's just, it's not. And we're going to get back to your Bigfoot stuff here in a second, but I do want to say, because you just brought the Enoch thing, and it just reminded me, I think that they,

you got to look at words that they use and phrases, and you have to try to decipher what they're saying within the words. And I use this example with people a lot, and I'm not sure if I ever said it on the show. So this might be the first time or the 10th time. I don't remember. But, and I'm going to try to remember how to break this down. So excuse me if I stutter over my words.

But I was told by somebody who is retired CIA that still has connections within the CIA, that there are active living giants in the Middle East and that our military has killed up to 26 of these things. And back, I think it was last year, I know it was Donald Trump when he was in office, we dropped the Moab bomb in Afghanistan. man. M-O-A-B. And when we dropped that Moab bomb, they said that we were taking out an ISIS cell, which was true, he said. We did. But he said there was also active giants in that area that they really couldn't contain, and they bombed them. And that was also a reason why they used a Moab bomb over there, because these giants were, let's just say, unruly. They couldn't send their soldiers in to take care of it because we all know the canons. Yeah, the Canonsburg, the Kandahar giant story where this thing took out a whole crew of guys and they sent a second

crew in. They lost a guy before the shot its face off. So they dropped the Moab bomb over in Afghanistan, takes out ISIS, but also supposedly takes out this group of giants. And what's interesting is that the bomb is called Moab bomb. They said it stands for mother of all bombs. But what's interesting about that is when you look in the Bible, and I believe it's in Deuteronomy, but don't get me on that. I just remember, in fact, I'm pretty sure it was Deuteronomy. Either way, I remember I was reading my Bible the one morning, and I came across this story, and I'm going to paraphrase it, and it just jumped off the page of me. I was like, holy crap. It literally threw me back in my chair. I had to text my dad and a couple other people what I found, because it's talking about how God was

telling the Israelites to, you know, go into these certain areas and wipe out the people who were in that area. And, you know, that's something that's really fascinating to me because I'm on a, I really do believe, and I'm slowly gaining knowledge and gathering evidence to support my idea here. But I really strongly believe that a lot of the groups that God was having Israel wipe out, either were Nephilim or had Nephilim within those groups. And so, yeah, and we agree 100%. Yep. We all know, you know, the Nephlam and the Bible. We did several shows on it.

They were unnatural beings and they weren't of God. But what's interesting is that, how do I say is this area had several different tribes, I guess, of giants, the Raphaites, the Imams. And there was also the Moabites. and God instructed the Israelites to leave the Moabites alone because the Moabites did what the Israelites wouldn't do. They took out one of the tribes of these Nephlam giants. And I find it very interesting that we named a bomb, the Moab bomb, which bombed in Afghanistan, took out a group of giants. And in the Bible, the Moabites did the same exact thing. I find that very, very interesting.

Yeah, that's, yeah, that's quite interesting. I'm along that same upbringing as you. You know, we're, you know, we're Pentecostal. And the up element people ask, well, what's Pentecostal? There's a lot of Catholics in the Western New York area. I'm like, well, we're kind of like Baptist on steroids. You know, we're the ones that's going around and jump up and down. And, you know, we're doing like a tumbling theme for, you know, for a gymnastics gold medal.

but yeah, I've grown up in the church and it's so funny because it's like I never really heard of this stuff up until just the last couple of years. And it's like, it's really open my eyes. And I'm just like, oh, wow. And then like you said, you can go back to the Bible. You go back to the prophetic books and it's just holy cow. Yeah. And that's what me personally, now my personal opinion, I know there's all the camps. You know, one says it's just an animal.

One says, you know, they're space aliens. One says they're in between. I kind of like sit in the middle of all those camps, and I listen to everything that everybody has to offer. And because, like I said, again, it's to the point to where people have their experiences, and some of it is, you know, supernatural, paranormal. It's not normal.

It's above the normal. So it's just, it's crazy. And, you know, what I've experienced, wood knocks, I've experienced, I guess you can call it a wook noise. It's not really a whoop noise. It was a woo noise and it sounded like Rick Flair at 5 in the morning.

Wow. I've heard mumbling up in Ohio when I went on a camping trip. I heard the most pathetic dog imitation barking in the same spot in Ohio. It's just, it's crazy. It's just,

it's absolutely nutty. The stuff I've heard. I saw something. I could probably go back in the history of my phone when we talked two months ago roughly. And we talked on a Tuesday. I have a friend that comes out. We'll kind of like go research stuff together, my friend, Janine. And I got a story. Now, I guess this is more my researcher part of me. I got a story of one of my co-workers telling me she was traveling westbound on Route 31 coming out of Medina, coming into

a lockport. That's where I live. And there's a car coming out of lockport heading towards Medina. Well, on Route 31, on the south side of it, which is nice about 31, it runs east and west. And on the south side of it, there's this place called drum oil. It's kind of like where, I guess, if you have the oil burners and stuff like that, that's my impression. I know they have gas pumps there or something like that. So as she was coming in, at like quarter of six in the morning, still dark out, so this was like that in January, so it's definitely dark at that time of morning.

She had something come from the north out of the wooded patch, ran right in front of her. She drives a little Honda CRV or a Toyota Ravre 4, but whatever it was, she said the back of the thing was parallel to the hood of her little SUV. It was on all fours, it was black, and just shot right across the road. Well, she slowed down,

because you didn't want to hit it. And the guy that was coming from the other direction, he actually stopped, pulled over on the shoulder, got out and looked at where this thing ran. And this thing ran on the, it would be on the east side of the fence for that drum oil propane. And as you go back further, it actually goes up into a hill and into a wooded area.

She's like, I don't know what I saw, but it was big, it was black, it was on all fours, and it was fast. And with that, probably a month prior to her telling me that story, I met my sister-in-law's cousin through a bunch of mutual friends, and she said the same thing. Further on down the road west of that location on Chestnut Ridge is what Route 31 is.

Well, Chessnut Ridge actually breaks off to Route 77. I think it turns into Rochester Road or something like that, going towards Rochester on 31. So further back into Lockport, On day road between that would be High Street and Chestnut Ridge, there's a wooded patch closer to the Chestnut Ridge side. My sister-in-law's cousin, she was riding with a boyfriend, he was talking, and she was kind of doing something on her phone. And then all of a sudden she realized he stopped mid-sentence and started slowing the car down. And she looked over them and then looked back out in front of her.

and they saw this what she told me was she saw this big eight foot to nine foot tall black gorilla looking thing go from their right to the left so it'll be traveling from the east to the west crossed over the road three steps one two three and gone she said the first step wasn't on the on the ditch side of the woods second step almost made it to the middle third step went over the to the other side of the ditch. So it's kind of like a bounding motion. She said it was like it was jumping almost. She goes, but it wasn't, she said it took no effort to cross the road.

And then once it got that third step, the fourth one, again, back into the woods and gone. And then back to that time that I was talking to you when we were driving around because we went and looked at that drum oil and propane. And there's possible tree structures. I'm not saying everything is a tree structure. but there's distinct trees just, I call them interlocking, how they, one goes over this one,

but it's underneath that one, then another one comes across and interlocks. And so I took a bunch of pictures of that. And my friend Janine, she goes, hey, what was that? I'm like,

what are you talking about? Where? She goes, I just saw something move back there. I'm like, oh, really? So that kind of like perked the ears up. And I started looking,

couldn't see none. She goes, oh, maybe it was a deer. I'm like, well, let's hope. was. So we took a few more pictures. We took off. We went further up into the country. So as we were coming back down through, I could have gone over day road, which gone back up that direction. But I'm like, no, I'm going to go to the east a little bit here. And then we'll take that road up,

just to see if there's anything over there. So as we came up, we had to cross over these railroad track. We looked to our right, nothing. Look to the left. Now, mind you, it's probably four o'clock, around that time frame because we didn't have dinner yet. So I want to see it was between 4.30 and 5 o'clock down the railroad tracks, which are covered in snow, and these railroad tracks aren't used much. But as the railroad tracks go down, there's this lone black figure, all black, but it was a good distance. So I cannot distinctly say that, yes, this was a Bigfoot,

Sasquatch type creature. however where this thing was standing on a railroad track right if from what I could tell just judging by the distance equal on both sides of the thing was standing right in the middle of it it took one step off and it was into the the brush and gone now of course everyone's going to be like well why did you drive down there and go check and I'm like one I had nowhere to park my vehicle unfortunately there was enough room to drive through on the side of it but it was all snow. So I didn't want to take the chance of driving down there, get my truck hung up on something. And then, you know, you got to explain to law enforcement, you know, why aren't you on the road?

You know, why are you driving next to the railroad tracks? And then I think this one was actually down past the next, where the road actually turns back up onto Route 31. And I think it was actually past it because, I mean, it looked like it was a good distance. And of course, what did I not do? I did not pull the cell phone out. I did not turn on the video camera and record it. I'm like, oh, man, mistake, mistake, mistake. I did it again. I'm like, damn it.

But it definitely, I saw it. My friend Janine saw it. And she's like, what was that? And it's like, it was one of those things where it's like I wanted to go down there. But I had no firearm on me because I do go into the woods armed. And just like I said, Don Chautauqua Lake, I go in. I use it as my Geico. as I call it, get everybody inside completely out.

It's for me to go in. I'm not looking to kill one, but like your guy in the Southeast Ohio there, if it shows aggression, then you know what? My life is more important. If I have to, I will fire. But it's not my first thought.

It's just so I can back out, kind of like I said, it's my insurance policy when going out and looking for these things. then they ask the other thing too. There's homes and houses and businesses kind of. It's rural, but they're still out there and you have to be at least 500 yards from them in order to discharge any firearm. So I don't feel like going to jail for that. So that was another reason. I'm like, I wanted to go down there. I'm like, that would have been perfect. There was snow on the ground.

I definitely would have found a track, but I'm like, it's getting dark. It's getting dark. It's getting there quick, you know, it's at 5 o'clock. So the sun is starting to set of that time. I'm like, son of a, I'm like, man, I'm like, oh, if that wouldn't be perfect timing. I just could not find anybody to go with me to go back down there. I'm like, we could park the truck up the road, we can walk alongside the road, hit the road tracks and go.

Nobody, nobody wanted to go with me. I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. So I'm actually trying to put together a team right now in this area to actually go out and research and investigate. And I got a couple guys that are willing to go. So, unfortunately, I'm the youngest guy in the group at 45. So just taking it, you know, like I said, taking it a day at a time. And, oh, man, that wasn't an opportunity missed.

I don't know what was. And I'm still kicking myself for that. And I'm like, should I tell that story? I'm going to get bashed. I'm going to get roasted. But, hey, it is what it is. I'll take my lumps. So, but, um,

Yeah, this is a very interesting area. The sightings are, they're everywhere in Niagara County, Erie County, Chautauqua County, Catara August County. I mean, boy, it's just, it's crazy. And what I think really jumped off, I mean, that really, like you want to know what Kickstarter to me was on episode 215 at San Squash Chronicles. I had the incident behind my aunt's house where we started hearing wood knocks almost, almost every five minutes.

And, I mean, I got on the BFRO.com. After the fourth wood knock, and I'm giving them the most detailed encounter their class B of wood knocks. You know, we didn't see nothing. We definitely heard these wood knocks going. And back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. I mean, I was given gridasmus, like as if I was, getting ready to do land navigation for the army.

You know, this is coming from the north, zero, zero five degrees to zero one, five degrees grid azimuth. Point two is coming from the south, 170 to 180 degrees grid azmuth. It's like I was ready to call on an artillery strike or something. But it was just, it was crazy because at the four o'clock mark and then 405.0.2 knocked and it was all,

everything was a single knock, and then all of a sudden, point two goes, pow, pow, there was two knocks. I'm like, okay, and of course I logged it in my report that I was giving them. And then point one knocked, five minutes later, then point two knocked again, four or five minutes later, whatever it was. And then after point two knocked, there's a dog across the road from us that started barking like crazy.

Like when the mailman walks up or somebody's come up to the house that they don't know and they get that aggressive, defensive bark. And I put that down, you know, At 16, 16, 13 or 16, 14 hours, you know, dog across the way is barking at us. Dog's position is approximately 75 yards from where we're standing. And I think I said, I was like 210 to 220 degrees grad asthma or something like that. And then over comes out, whistles for the dog, tells him to shut up. Dog stops barking, goes inside the house.

And 30 seconds after that, point three knocks. I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. I'm like, I got three of them things around us. And all of a sudden I started realizing, it makes like an L, the shape. I'm like, oh, we're in an L shape ambush. I'm like getting it. My son was 15. My daughter was 12.

And my girl from the time I had her son with me. I'm two months out of knee surgery from the VA hospital for MCL reconstruction. And I'm like, get to the house, get that back of the house. Get up there. And now they knew that I watched, you know, finding Bigfoot and all that stuff at the time and you know and they're like this is crazy this is nuts i'm like yeah it is but you guys are experiencing it so i got them up on the back porch my aunt's house and after point three knocked about a minute later point uh two knocked and then a minute after point two knock point one knocked

and all the sounds came back in the woods and i'm just like holy crap that's crazy sent my report off and never heard nothing from the bfro so i'm like well you guys suck It's not like I was trying to do it to, I'm not trying to get on the TV show or to make a name for myself. It's nothing like that. I'm like, you know, I just want to say, hey, look, I had three of these things down here around us. And I'm like, that's, I mean, my eyes are probably as big as dinner plates.

I'm like, holy smoke. And that's all we talked about. We left my aunt's house, you know, an hour or two later. And we stopped and, you know, got pizza wings, me and the kids. and that's, what do you think that was, dad? Holy cow, what was that? Did you hear the Knox and this stuff? I'm like, yeah.

And then right behind my aunt's house, about 45 feet behind her house, there's a pine tree with a branch. You could tell it was twisted and snapped. I got pictures of this. I took a couple pictures. And I had my son stand underneath it for the height reference.

Now my son at 15 was 6 feet tall. He's like 6-2 now, I believe, at 19. But I had him stand under it, so you can see the distance. And this thing was up around like 11, 8, 11, 10. And it's twisted, snapped, and that branch was nowhere near that tree. And you could tell it was a fresh break too

because the wood was still nice and yellow and stuff like that. And you can see how it was peeled down. I'm like, holy cow. And then I started looking into, of course, all the tree structures and tree breaks and tree snaps and some of the stuff that's out there is just, I'm sorry, trees just don't all fall and collect. in the same point and, you know, I'm just not buying it.

I'm just not buying it. Or somehow they fall upside down where the roots are up in the tree and then, you know, all the branches point to the ground when they should be pointing up. I'm just like, no, sorry. And I'm the type debunk it. I actually debunked one of my pictures. I want to say back in November of last year. I'm looking at this one tree.

It just looks like something snapped it, pulled it over, and dropped it. But as the leaf litter cleared out, there's a chunk of tree. I'm like, oh, it broke. This big piece fell. This part landed in this tree. And then here's the missing puzzle piece right here that goes between that piece in those trees and where this one broke off. I'm like, okay, well, debunked, solved it. So I'll tell you what, it definitely made for a great possibility of like a tree type.

I wouldn't say it was more a structure, but it was wedged in there. And once I figured out it, I'm like, oh, okay, well, check that one off the list. And it's, you know, again, it's one of those things where it's like I'm not in the woods where every tree creek or snap, break or whatever, oh, my gosh, it must be Bigfoot out there. I'm like, oh, that sounds pretty cool. I mean, I had stuff happen to me, and then, you know, a week later, it, like, hits me like a ton of bricks. I'm like, wait, was that? No. Really?

Oh, man, I could have went and look for you. I'm like, damn. You know, it's like that song, Thick as a brick by Jethro Tull. I guess that's my theme song. So it's just, it's, and it's one of them things where it's like I'm just, I'm having a good time in the moment. And, wow, you know, stuff happens. And it's not like I have. have Bigfoot on the brain 24-7, well, 22-7 maybe, but it's just, you got to sleep some time.

It's like, yeah, you know, and it's just, it's crazy because it's like in Cuba, New York, we've gone down there with the Boy Scouts before. And again, this is, this is just a couple months. Now, Cuba, New York, to where my aunt lives, maybe 45 minutes to the southeast. In fact, Allegheny National Forest from my aunt's house is probably about an hour's drive. So it's not far from where, like you said, where everyone has those experiences in the woods, you know, where they get zapped and stuff. So it's, it's all in that area. It's, if you look at a map, I mean, it's as the crow flies, it's right there.

It's not that far. And Cuba, New York is even closer. And in Cuba, again, this is after my knee surgery, this is probably, this was May of 14. And we went down there with a bunch of the Boy Scouts to the one, the scout leader's property. And there's a lot of hills down there. So he, him and the other scout leader, they took them on a, you know, he has like a tour, like a kind of like a trail that he has. And he's showing him like, you know, here's acorns.

I got walnut trees. I got wild apple trees. There was an orchard one time, but the apple trees are so. So he's kind of like showing him like stuff you can eat, you know, wild stuff you kind of eat and make and stuff like that so you know they went and they all did their thing collecting so i'm sitting back at the fire uh-oh this is probably around like 11 o'clock in the morning and and nice and quiet i'm just you know in my thoughts and i'm stoking the fire and all of a sudden behind me i thought it was the kids that did it i heard this big blow crack

it's actually like that crunch you know like it's like something's being snapped and it's being pulled down and then boom and finally let's go. Well, I heard that behind me. I turned around and look. I'm like, oh, that was weird. Oh, whatever. I'm still stoking the fire with a long stick. And I'm like, it never dawned on me.

And I'm like, but then I started looking. I'm like, well, there's no wind. It's probably the kids doing something, you know. And I never found where that tree came down. I never really went and looked for. I really couldn't because, you know, I was in one of those full-length leg braces, but again, that's the same area where two years later,

it was the weekend between St. Patrick's Day and Easter, we went down there, and it was just my son and Mark, everybody else, and the Boy Scout troop, backed out on us, so Mark wasn't too happy. I'm like, well, let's go. Me and my son will come off for the night, He has like a single wide trailer, which he calls his cabin. So we're in the camper and setting up our stuff.

And we get down there, it's about 8 o'clock at night. And Mark looks at me, he's like, you really want to start a fire to cook. I'm like, now let's just go to that little barn grill. We'll get like hamburgers or something. Like, all right, so we pile in my towel, drive down there, I don't know, five minute drive, 10 minutes at most. So we go in, me and Mark have a couple beers. My son has some pop. or excuse me, soda for you.

You know it. And a saver's game was on. So we were watching hockey and, you know, we got our meal and some wings and so on and so forth. And I'm figuring, well, if I got drive them, I had a couple of Pepsi's. I had about three glasses of water. So I'm pretty full of fluids.

So we finally get back. It's about 11 o'clock, 11.30-ish around there. And we're like, all right, you know, everybody let's, you know, rack out. let's get in our bunks and we'll call it our night. Well, five o'clock wakes up and I just got, I have got to go. So I had it on my sweatpants. I got my big heavy, like winter boot type things.

I put my feet in there and I come stomped, you know, come stomping out as quietly as possible, but it's just pabom, so Mark wakes up. He's everything. All right? I'm like, yes, guy's a bathroom. So I go outside. I go behind the shed that's kind of like off the side of the, off the side of the thing a little ways. you know, I just go behind it and, you know, I pull in Austin Powers.

I'm like, oh, so I'm doing what I got to do, standing there, and I'm looking up in the sky, and it's beautiful, there's no light pollution, there's stars galore. And all of a sudden on the hill, directly across me, I hear what sounds just like Rick Flair from wrestling, like, woo, I'm like,

but it was a lot longer than it. I'm like, wait, what? Now I'm awake. And then it does it a second time. And it's like, you know, woo. I'm like, oh, my goodness. I'm like trying to put pressure to, you know, go to the bathroom faster. And after it did it the second time, all the dogs in that valley just started going nuts.

And I'm sitting there and I'm like, I'm done. And I'm, I got my sweatpants. I'm pulling up. And I'm like, I start thinking like, oh, please do not let something be standing around. right there behind me when I turn around. I said, because I just went one natural body process, and it's going to be followed by another one. I turned around and looked like, puchoom, I get back in that cabin,

or that mobile home as fast as I could. And I really came in, and I mean, I'm like, boom, boom, slamming doors and Mark's like, what's going on? I'm like, I just heard something out there that I shouldn't have. And of course, again, where's my cell phone in my truck, plugged into the cigarette lighter charging overnight. I'm like, you've got to be kidding.

That would have been such a great recording to get for sound. I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. It's just, oh, I'm like, it's like I feel like I've got to walk around with the stuff strapped to me, you know, cameras and dishes, you know, 24-7,

whatever I'm out of the woods. But it's just... What kind of equipment do you use? Do you use, like, go-pros or anything? know when I was going out often, I had different setups that I would use depending on where I was going. But my favorite to use, I have like things that, you know, I could put a GoPro on my shoulder or on my hat. But my favorite was to strap it to my chest. But I mean, do you use GoPro or anything like that or what? No, no, not yet. I don't have a GoPro camera. I do want to get

gopros are all even taking like knockoffs if they're halfway decent. I was just talking to a guy who has a paranormal shop right down the road from here. And he was telling me that they have Fleer and Seek is the name of the other one. You can actually get thermal cameras that you plug into your cell phone. I'm like, oh, I've got to get one of those. I mean, I looked into them and the prices actually come down. but they're down about $300 for that. I'm like, that would be, I think that would be worthwhile.

And he said, he goes, you can get 300 yards easily on these things. I'm like, oh, that's, that's very, that's very effective. And that'll just increase my, you know, going out at night, stuff like that too. And there's less traffic. You don't have, you know, the human interference, if you want to call it that. But like I said, when we were at Cannonsburg, it's one of them things where I just don't want to walk across somebody's property or where do I park my truck to get to this location. you know, without, you know, having law enforcement come up. And, you know, is the truck abandoned?

Next, you know, I'm coming out the woods and there's my Tahoe getting, you know, flatbedded off to, you know, the county, the county pokey. I'm like, oh, come on. So it's just, I usually just, I have my, my S8, the Samsung S8 plus cell phone. Takes great pictures. It takes great video. there was a a Nikon camera he goes by

Colorado Forest Pings and he's always out there with Colorado Bigfoot and they're always finding those structures it's a Nikon I think it's D-5300 or something and he that's like that's the beautiful the 4K and all that

I mean his video he takes on that is gorgeous absolutely gorgeous. I'm looking into a few digital recorders, and I was thinking of maybe wearing those. Like you said, how you do the GoPro's on your chest and your shoulder. I was thinking maybe wearing one on the arm, maybe one up on the hat,

because when I go out, I wear clothes that are as quiet as possible. Like, I'll wear a fleece jacket, so you don't get that swish-swish noise, like with the summit of stuff. You know, I'll wear BDU bottoms, OCP bottoms, what do you want to call them? You know, military cargo pants, you know, military issued boots that I still have. If I get them dirty, I get them dirty.

It's no big deal. You know, it's for the fieldwork. If they tear, they tear their utility pants. So, but no, I want to start getting into more of the, you know, carrying a GoPro. I would love to put one on my back. I was like one on the chest. Maybe one on my head, but then again, with the way, you know, people look around so much that might, you know, cause people go into fits with it.

So I might not do the one mounted on the head, but the chest in the back I could definitely see or you put one on your backpack, stuff like that. Yeah, I would say that if you get into getting cameras and stuff hooked up to you, one of the best things that I did to save the battery was because my thing was this. I had my, my GoPro, and the SD card had, I think it was like 12 hours of space to hold video, but the battery would only last two hours. So what I did was I bought a battery pack that's charged by the sun, and I would put that on my back. I would hook it on my backpack, and then I would run the wire across my shoulder into the GoPro on my chest. So it was constantly charged. And I'm telling you, like, 12 hours straight, it wouldn't be.

die. And so, I mean, that's definitely something to look into. Taking it back here to your experiences with the wood knocks, when you were out there and you had these wood knocks surrounding you and stuff, I'm assuming you were pretty tense. Did you get a sense that they were communicating with you or communicating with each other? I think they were communicating with each other. because we even took a couple of two by sixes from my aunt's porch, the back porch, the bottom half that they built. And we were trying to knock in there with them and nothing. And like I said, I should have actually, I wish I still had that report because every time I heard a knock, I looked at the time on the phone and recorded it.

And it was almost averaged out every five minutes, every four to six minutes, they would knock. And it was the craziest thing. I mean, it was fascinating. I'm not going to lie. I wasn't shocked. I was a little nervous, a little scared. But at the same time, I was in awe, I'm like, this is actually happening. I'm like, this is really going on.

I'm like, this is so cool. I'm like, please don't come any closer. Stay where you are. But this is really cool. I mean, because I had, the only thing I had on me was I found like a big walking stick, so to speak, you know, to kind of like lean on while I'm howling with this with this bum left knee. And I was trying to get the kids closer to the house, get closer to the house, they close to the house.

And then once I heard that third one, and I realized there's three of them. And I remember going on, I forgot what Facebook group I was in, but I told my story. And I had a guy out from Arizona say, oh, they're hunting that dog. I'm like, come again? He goes, he goes, well, you said the weather is gray. There's snow on the ground. there's, you know, no leaves on the trees. The only color you see in the woods is the pine trees.

I'm like, yeah, true. He goes, well, he goes, what's the deer situation? Like, I'm like, they're, you know, they're in the area, but, you know, they weren't where we were. He goes, exactly. He goes, was there a lot of houses? I'm like, yeah, between each house and this, this development area, there's an acre of uncut, woods and forest.

So it's, it's beautiful, like I said, but he goes, oh, yeah, he goes, they're probably hunting that dog for a meal. I'm like, no kidding. And again, this is that learning process, and that's where it really started to kick in. And then from there, I was full, full blown. I was all into it. Just every chance I get, I would go to the woods or I would, you know, listen to the podcast and try and, you know, just learn. And almost a year to the day from when that happened in March of 14, March of 15,

when we were on that, the tail end of that so-called polar vortex here in Western New York. I don't know if you guys got it there, but it was like 30 degrees below zero. Oh, you guys did get it? Yeah. Okay, okay. Well, we were at like 30 degrees below zero. I was working for AAA at the time, so car batteries were dying left and right. So I was installing batteries like crazy.

Well, it was my one and only day off because we had mandatory, you know, overtime. We had to come in on one of our days off. The one day I had off, I had to go to the VA hospital for something. So I drive down, I go to the one coffee shop, Tim Horton's here, and I kind of come out. I'm like, I'll take the side road here, you know, so I'm not going to fight to get back in the busy stuff. So I'm driving. And again, it's a nice area. It runs along, Tondola on the creek.

And it's, you know, snow on the tree, snow on the ground. It's beautiful. All of a sudden, I'm about a quarter of a quarter of a week. a mile from transit. See this again. It'll be heading westbound. And I just happen to look to my right. I see this front lawn.

And as I go by, I see these dents in the lawn. I hit my brakes and I pull over. Hit my four ways. I'm like, I just did not see that. So I back up in reverse. And I look at this lawn. And here are these big impressions in the snow. But they weren't like left, right, left, right, left.

It was that walking a tightrope. So they came up off the street and they went towards the creek. And then all of a sudden they turned and they went right across the front lawn of this house on Tonnellana Creek Road. I'm like, this is crazy. Again, working mistake. This is, you know, I'm still new to this, you know, being out in the field and taking pictures and stuff. Well, I had a tape measure and I'm thinking to myself as to how am I going to walk on this person's front lawn up their driveway? you know, or up the driveway to get to the lawn to where these foot,

well, I'm with their impressions. They, they weren't, like, distinct, distinct footprint, but you can see a shape to them. So I grabbed my AAA jacket, throw it on. It's that big, bright yellow car heart. Put a winter hat on. I tried to pretend. I was like, like, I work for the town of Amherst or, you know,

Department of Transportation, and I'm out there measuring. So I ran out there real quick, and I took measurements, and these impressions were 20 inches long by 10 inches wide. And from same edge to same edge was a six-foot step. How deep was the snow? The snow probably two and a half feet deep, almost three. Now, mind you, when I saw these, we were actually on the warm-up from negative 30. we were actually up around zero degrees.

So it was actually kind of, it wasn't as bitterly cold. It was sunny out. And now I was taking into the width and the length of these things opening up from snow melting. Right. And then as I was stepping in,

I was actually sinking further into the snow. But I think when these things were left, is when the snow was frozen solid. I mean, I had a snow pile on my house. I could walk on this thing like I'm walking over just a regular pile of, you know, like frozen dirt. I mean, it was that frozen solid at 30 degrees below zero. No problem.

I could just boop, boop, up and over. And, you know, my kids were using it for like sledding and they made a fort out of it too and stuff like that. So the snow was definitely solid when it was 30 degrees below zero. So now I'm coming up on this probably a week later. And then the funny part is on the radio and, an AM station I listened to, it's kind of like a talk radio. The one morning DJ was talking about he had footprints,

a trackway across his backyard in the same area where these footprints were found, but I don't think it was at the same time. I want to say it was like maybe a month prior. In the snow, he saw him, but I mean, it's just what are the chances? you know and again it's that it's that tightrope where one foot falls directly in front of the other not where it's like underneath our shoulders like how when we walk but it's just I get out I measure and I had two one step was 94 inches another one was 96 inches and that was behind the one couple of trees they had on a little side lawn there and like I said these print

came off the road. They went up on the side of the trees by the bushes. They turned, went across the front lawn, and then there's the high shrubs on the end where they just walked straight into them. But they didn't come out on the other side, so they got into those, that shrub, and I think headed north towards Tonawanda Creek.

So it was, that was like my first trackway that I found. and then I had a friend in Batavia. She sent me a picture of a very distinct footprint. She put the tape measure next to. I think it's like 14 or 14.5 inches long. I think it was 7 inches wide. And she found her footprint underneath her kitchen window. Wow, that's kind of freaky.

Yeah. Well, I have a friend of mine that works for the University of Buffalo here. and she's a biologist, I believe. She's a professor up there. And I showed her that picture. And she said, whatever left that footprint never wore shoes. You can tell by the way the toes are all split out. I have all these.

I can send them to you. And then you can turn on the webpage. And then the most recent footprints are the ones I found just, what, two days ago I went and looked. And then the other one was that Tuesday before, showed it in like last week, Tuesday, not this past Thursday, Tuesday before. Let's see, what's today? Saturday.

So I want to say it was, what she said, I think it was Thursday this week. I found him. And that was Tuesday the following week, before we came down to Cannonsburg fear when you talked at the library there. So that'll be my mission tomorrow to attempt

get moles of these footprints, but there were, there were, there were, there were track, definite tracks. And I found those because I found a tree bowed over. And I just wanted to take a picture of that. And as I'm walking out, I just, I look at the ground just to look for that. And could they be prints? I'm, I'm on the side that yes, they are. But again, if somebody can debunk me, I take constructive criticism.

Call me a fool, call me a jacket, whatever, you know, just, for me it's water on a duck's back just right off you know I don't take nothing to the heart you can pick on me all day it's no big deal but to me these look like two definite

definite tracks very distinct very very deep impressions in the wet soil so when I get those casted in hopefully I'll be I'll be sending them

I'll send your pictures awesome man yeah and also when you get out there try to take video of it as well, because sometimes videos shows things that pictures can't show. So, yeah, definitely take some video of it. I learned that when we found our trackway. I shouldn't say trackway because I was so excited about seeing a footprint that I forgot to look for anymore.

But the one we found, we took video and pictures. And in the video, you can actually see my fingers going in the indents of where the toes were. And you could count the toes and you can actually feel the indents. And when I put my fingers in it, you could actually see me doing that in the video. So I'd highly encourage you to do that. So what happened here with these two UFO encounters? You said you had two. And I'm interested in hearing about these.

Yeah, the first one, I don't know if I call it a UFO or UFO, maybe like unidentified flying lights. It was really strange, the first one. It was during my high school years. I could actually go back to a hockey schedule because I remember the Sabres were, the Buffalo Sabers were playing the Los Angeles Kings out in LA. So it was a league game. So I remember I asked my father, I'm like, hey, I'm going to order some subs from Sub to let's just, do you want one?

Oh, yeah, sure, sure, you know, okay. So I'm paying, he's eating. So he's loving it. So I put in the order halfway between or right between, halfway through the first period. So by the time I get, you know, periods over, walk there, grab it, come back, second period starts. So I'm walking down the street. Now, mind you, this is in the city of Lockport on Walnut Street.

I'm walking and my hand is like, I'm running my fingers along the chain link fence on the backside of the post office. I'm looking up at the sky and, you know, it's clear. It's, you know, there's street lights and stuff like that. And as I'm looking up, I get these. two lights. The lower one was in front of the top one, and they went to my right, back up to my left, and then back to my right. To me, it looked like the ZZ top symbol, but reversed, where instead of going from left to right, then down to the left and back to the right, this was just the opposite.

It was the lower half going left to right, back up to the left, and then back to the right. So it was kind of a reverse the top symbol. Okay. And it happened. I mean, and these are bright. It was there. It was, it wasn't lighting. There's no, there's no power lines there for this to be like some kind of arc.

If someone can explain this to me, I wish they would, you know, if they make comments. And if we can, again, if we can debunk this, that's great. But I saw something that just, it scared. the life out of me. And I'm like, who? I'm like, what the heck? I just took off. And to run in January weather at 10, 30, 11 o'clock at night, whatever it is, that burns. Oh, my gosh, that burns your chest. So I ran to the sub shop, threw my money down on the counter, got the meal. I'm like, keep to the change. I ran all the way back. I was panting. I was breathing hard. My chest was killed me. I'm like,

my dad's like, what happened? What happened? I said, I don't know. He's like, what's wrong? What's wrong? I'm like, I saw something. I saw something in this guy. It just, it was so quick, just poof. It just, it's like the, it was like the top one was chasing the bottom one. So it was like, like that. I'm like,

I'm gone. I'm not even sticking around. I'm now, I'm not going to stand here and find out what happened. I just ran to the sub shop. And I was just like, that's always just been one of those things. like, what was it? I still go down there sometimes to stay.

I'll pull over and park. There's like a hair salon place or something like that. And then that chain link fence starts and I'll walk that fence. And I'm just trying to look up. I'm like, what in the world was it? And it was fast. It was just a real quick zip. Maybe it lasts a second, second and a half, just that quick.

But the lights were so bright white. They weren't really large. I mean, from where I was standing looking in the sky, I would say these things were softball size. But I couldn't get a depth perception of were they close, were they way up there? They definitely look like they're, you know, above the streetlights and, you know, above the houses and stuff like that. And I was just like, after I saw that, it was just pshu, gone. That was it. And the second one I saw, this one, it wasn't just me by my same.

with this experience. Most of my experiences, I always have a witness, which is the good part of it. You know, you're like, did you see that too? Or did you experience that? Or did you hear that? You know, then that's the joy of it. So it's like, I'm not the only one experiencing this. I'm not the crazy one.

I'm not nuts. But this one was July of 93. I'm in the active duty army. I came home from Korea. And end of July, we always go up. The very last week of July, we go up to Canada to a place called Turkey Point. And it's basically directly north.

If you go on an American map, you find Erie, Pennsylvania, go straight up. You see Long Point Bay. Well, Turkey Point is like this little township or municipality, whatever they call it up there. And it's all beachfront property. So it was me, my mom and dad, my younger brother, Adam, and then my mom's brother, my uncle Paul, my aunt Connie, and then my three cousins, Kelly, Corey, and Brooke. and my cousin Corey brought one of her friends

her name was Aaron from high school up for the week. So we had a rainstorm midweek. It was a Wednesday. It was just gray and rainy all day. And after dinner time, it started to lighten up a little bit. And then finally around like 10 o'clock at night,

the storm moved out over Lake Erie. So I'm like, I'm going to say, I'm going to take a walk to the beach. Anybody want to go? And then everyone was like, yeah, hey, that's a good idea. Let's all go down. We'll take the dogs and stuff like that. So me, my cousin, Corey, and her friend Aaron, we went ahead of everybody. And when we got out there, the sand was wet, but you can kick the wet sand over and you got the nice warm sand to sit on.

So we're sitting there and we're watching the storm roll out over the lake. And then here comes my parents and my brother and then my aunt and uncle and my other two cousins. And of course, they're walking the dogs along the beach. So they come down. and the storm, you can see the lightning flashing in the clouds. It was really pretty cool to watch. And then you can look up, you can kind of start to see the stars coming through the thinning clouds. Now, out over Lake Erie, as we're watching the storm, all of a sudden I see this orange light just dropped straight down. Well, I stood up and I yelled to my father because my parents had just got a sailboat that year. I'm like, hey, mom, dad.

I'm like, dad, look. And he's like, what? I point. I said, is that a signal flare? You know, for like a boulder in trouble. And he's, then all of a sudden, everybody looked. So now there's, I think, 10 of us out there now, total. And we're all looking.

He goes, it might be. So I stood up. And now my first thought was, okay, there's like a little police station, a satellite police station across the road back behind me on the other side of the beach. I'm like, well, I'm going to run over there and tell the cops that, you know, we got an issue out here. All of a sudden that orange light comes down and it stops. okay.

And it travels, I mean, perfectly parallel on the horizon to my left, and then it stopped. I sat there for two, three seconds, and slowly traveled back to the star point where it came down, stopped, sat for two, three seconds, goes to the right about the same amount of distance as it did to the left, stops. And still this orange light, this orange ball, and sits there for two, three seconds. two, three seconds, whatever, and it comes back to that. Again, that starting point stops, and then it just, phew, straight up. Well, I kind of like,

I saw that, and I, like, 10 stopped, but Corey and Aaron, they decided to scream when they saw that. Of course, that made me jump even more. I'm like, God, I'm like, don't do that. Like, what was it? What was it? I'm like, well, well, let's see, I'm an Army aviation. I'm a radar technician, so I'm on airfields all day long.

You know, I see all the helicopters coming in. I see fixed wing aircraft coming in. And I'm just like, I said, that's nothing. That's not ours. I'm like, that is definitely, there's no way. I said, that thing took off straight up way too fast. I mean, that thing shot like it was, like it was shot on a cannon. I mean, just gone.

Just boom. And it left the streak behind it as it proceeded to accelerate straight up into the clouds. And that was, I think, and like I said, I saw it, Corey, Aaron. My parents, my brother, my aunt and uncle and my other two cousins, all 10 of us saw that, do that stuff like that. I'm like, that's crazy. That is absolutely crazy. And I'll take that with me to the grave. And like I said, it was just an orange light, like an amberish orange color.

And holy cow. I'm like, yeah, that's, that was interesting. To say the least, I'm like, I think we just don't UFO. I'm like, I, and it's so funny because my cousin, the station. Like, remember we saw that UFO at the Turkey Point? I said, oh yeah, I remember. All too well, I remember. So, like I said,

the UFO sightings just, you know, real quick, real simple. Well, one UFO, I'm not sure what those two streaks of light were. They really weren't lightning because they're so thick, you know, where lightning would, you know, it crackles and, you know, it

spreads across the sky. Like I said, this looked like something out of a zizi top video. I'm just like, okay. I mean, I like Zizi Top. Don't get me wrong, but I'm not projecting my thought of the band up, you know, up into the atmosphere and seeing these streaks. That's all I I can say. They were like streaks of light. And they definitely, they appeared on order. And as they did their little backwards Z, it definitely looked like it left the trail. And I was like, okay, I'm out. Goodbye.

Feet don't fail me now. And yeah, that was just very, very interesting. It's crazy stuff, ma'am. So what's your thoughts about the, I'm sure you've heard of it, like the idea of UFOs being submerged underwater. Do you think that this is something that maybe originated from the lakes within the lakes, or do you think this is maybe something that was from, you know, outer space or do you not have an opinion on those kind of things? I really haven't looked too much into it, but I've heard so many stories and witnesses telling their stories and their encounters

of seeing stuff, you know, come up out of water. You know, all of some of the water just lights up and, you know, these crafts just take up off and out of it. So what do they have down there? Where are they coming from, you know? I mean, again, do the, are there the caves or is there entrances to these, these, these big tunnels on the ground? ground. It just, it's crazy. And then it's like, are these things extraterrestrial? Are they coming from

another galaxy or planet? Are they interdimensional or extradimensional? Are they popping out of a higher plane of existence than what we're on right now? It just, the brain just never stops. My mind is always trying to, again, it's trying to learn and process and store. Learn, see, process store. See it, learn it. Process. It's just, you know, what's it? Why do they do this?

Why do they do that? Where's it coming from? Where's it going? Is it from out there coming here? Is it from here going out there? It's just, it never stops. But again, I've heard stories of Lake Erie by Cleveland. A lot of UFO encounters going into the lake coming up.

So I'm just like, wait, what? I'm like, really? And I'm, unfortunately, never got a chance to really talk to the guy to find out what he, because that's what he would always look into, was the UFO aspect of it. Because he saw something where, you know,

his backyard was beautiful. It overlooked Lake Erie. But I haven't talked to him in probably two years now. And his story alone was just, and all of a sudden, it just, it turned me onto a whole other realm of like, okay,

I mean, Cleveland is only three hours dry from us. here in Buffalo, the western New York area. So, I mean, it's like, if they're seeing them in Cleveland, they might even see them in, uh, any Pennsylvania. And then, of course, right up the road, you got Buffalo. I mean, there's, there's so much along that trail.

Um, one story I did get as you follow that, that lake, uh, that lake shore. Dunkirk is kind of like in that lower southwest corner, um, corner on the lake. There's an old, uh, plant. It was, it's right on the water. I want to say it was some kind of power plant, but I had my friend's son's friend tell me, he goes, we're coming back one night, you know,

after hockey, we're all driving back in the big 15-packed van. And all of us looked up, you know, there's probably 10 of us in the van with all our equipment. And there's this bright, glowing, spinning. he goes, he goes, it couldn't be any more cliche

of a UFO saucer shaped disc. He goes with the lights, it was silver, it was bright, it was sitting right over this defunct, um,

power plant and then, poof, gone. It just, he said that thing took off towards Canada. He goes, it like,

like a laser beam, just, puch, and he goes, that fast, but as it took off, he said, you could see the light

behind it going with it, you know, like it took off and then like the light, like the light chased it or the stream of light that left behind it went with it. I'm just like, wow. And I'm not going to tell this guy, oh, right. Yeah, sure.

You're full of it. And here I am seeing these big biped looking things running through the woods. Okay. Yeah. Your story is false, but not mine. Mine's true. But no, that's the thing. I've never been like that because I give everybody the benefit of the doubt.

You know, I'll believe you until it comes to the point where it's like, and now you're getting a little fishy, you know, I mean, but then again, it's just that's what I'm going to hear. Because I have some good friends and they've told me some stuff and it's like, I got to take them at their word. You know, I mean, I've known them for a few years. So if this is what they're experiencing, just because I haven't experienced it, doesn't mean they're not really experiencing it. So it's just, you know, I just take it with a grain salt and just, okay, that's, that's cool. I mean, that's interesting that that happened. And again, that falls on the big foot side of thing where out in Batavia, my friend who has the footprint underneath her kitchen window, I have video from her where she said as she took the video, she had the, you know, how they say the bioluminescence in the eyeballs, you know, where they can actually make them glow instead of being the reflective light.

Like when you, you know, you get the eye shine stuff. Well, I have three short videos. One is like a minute and a half and I got two, two minute videos and I could try and send those to you too. She has no problem with me sending them to you because, you know, she knows that you look into this and research it and so on and so forth. And it's interesting because where this video is shot, it's just nothing but like a cornfield, like a dead cornfield. And you see these lights in the corn back and forth. one video shows three, one video shows two. And in the video, it looks like an individual white orb,

but when she was recording it, she said you could see the two of them side by side. It's just the way that her tablet or whatever she was using to record it, it didn't really like focus in that far out. Plus it was like dust time frame, so it was getting darker too. But, yeah, some crazy stuff in Batavia, New York. I'd be interesting seeing those videos. Yeah, I'll definitely send them to you. She's had dog man sightings out there.

A couple of people actually have dog man sightings in the background. I mean, it's, is that veil being lifted? That's my question. You know, there's so many cryptid reports. Are these things starting to show themselves to us more? You know, are they getting more freedom to roam about? It's just, you know, it's, it's just, I don't know if it's, is it, you know, the biblical side of things, is it a natural order? Is it a paranormal?

Is it a, just which direction does this go with all this stuff? And it's just because they're showing themselves more and more and more. And how many are out there? Where are they coming from? Where are they going? Where are they when we don't see them? And what's their range? How far do they go during the day?

What do they eat? Where do they sleep? You know, it just, my brain never sets off. I wish five seconds. Just five seconds. It's just the evidence is out there. The evidence is definitely there. And all it takes is just take a few seconds.

And like you said, you know, I forgot what your topic was, but you're like, just look into this. Just have an open mind to the skeptics, look into this, and then you're going to see what we see. As long as you can keep an open mind about it. And like I said, I try to be the skeptic and I try to debunk myself. And, you know, is that what it really was or what, you know, and again, that comes back to a lot of the tree structures. Is this a snow that did this? Is it a windstorm that did it?

Or does something place all these like this? So it's just question after question after question. And like I said, luckily, thank God for you guys with all your shows out there. And I was thinking of doing the same thing. I'm like, nah, I'm just going to listen. I'm just going to pop the headphones in, go about my day and just let Tony's guest talk and let Wes's guest talk. And then Lance Hightower let his guest talk and tell the stories with Vic and all those guys just, I just want to listen. and I want to learn, and I just want to know where these things are.

So if I'm ever in that area, I have a heads up. I'm not walking into something blindly. Yeah. That's what much comes down to. You know, dude, I'll tell you what. Remaining humble when it comes to this field is something that, to be honest with you, it's rare, and it's also a key piece of somebody who's actually investigating things or researching.

If you can stay humble, I think you have a better chance of finding. answers because when you think you found an answer to something, yet somebody else comes along and debunks it. When you're humble, you allow yourself to see what they're talking about, and it actually helps you further along in your knowledge of things. Because if you have somebody help you with figuring something out, now you're 10 steps further along than what you would have been if you weren't humble and you rejected what they had to say. So I would definitely encourage you to keep that attitude because that's a key aspect. when it comes to this whole thing.

Before we roll out of here, you know, the typical question, you know, you're looking into this. What is your gut telling you when it comes to Bigfoot? What do you think this thing is, man? Me personally, and like I said, I grew up in the Christian faith.

And again, you know, I try and take all angles of approach with this. And for me, I see, it mostly as the, you know, you had the Nephilim that were the the offspring of the fallen angels and the

daughters of man. And then from there, the Raphaim were, their creations were, like I said, in the book of Enoch and the after text the the Book of Giants, I think it's in there, too, where, you know, these Raphaeim and these Nephalima

and these Raphaine, they were experimenting with you know, animals on the ground and animals in the sea and plants and the birds in the air and they're, all this DNA manipulation type stuff.

And it's like, why does one look gorilla or chimpanzeeish? And why do other ones look, you know, human or Neanderthal or the, they have the high cheekbones like Native Americans do

and it's just like, and then you hear the story of that woman that they had in Russia back in the 1800s, and she preferred to sleep outside. She'd dig in the mud. She'd sleep in like a little, like a cubby hole or foxhole type thing set up. And she was bigger and stronger than the other women. And somehow she was bred with. And I don't know who lost that, but, you know, she had kids.

and they actually have gone back and then the DNA study on it and Duke from was it World Bigfoot Radio they were talking about that just a couple episodes ago how they think they found a genome marker and actually that was found here in Buffalo

at the University of Buffalo and it's just that blew me away like if this stands out then is this going to prove the DNA thing of it. And on me personally, I think these are hybrids. I think they're like what they're doing in England with the chimeras. They're human and

pig hybrids and the goat with the spider milk. And I just, I'm like, as it was in the days of Noah, you know, was it Matthew 24, 36 or 37? In fact, I got a picture I got to take for you. There's a house in the city of Niagara Falls. And just wait to you, wait until I say it, it talks about it as it wasn't the days of Noah. I just, welcome to Niagara Falls. That's all I'm going to say.

I don't know what's in that water there, but oh my goodness. Yeah, I'll send you a definite picture. But I honestly believe biblically speaking, and I'm not a Bible thump, I'm not, you know, hey, your beliefs are your beliefs. that's between you and the big guy. I know which way I'm going to take, but I honestly believe these are some kind of like Fallen Angel

and human hybrid or hybrid offspring hybrids or however you want to call it. There's too much, they're so big, they're so fast. You know, here I am in my living room right now, talking on the phone, but these things are surviving out in the elements.

The snow, the rain, the ice, the floods, the heat. There's got to be something a little more to them than just being a regular animal. And I can't see their human, even though they have characteristics of us. But like you said, the big mammals, they can hit you with that infrasound. They can too. So, I don't know. again, it's a definite learning process. I'm open to suggestions.

Like I said, constructive criticism. I guess that's my days from being in the military, what we used to call after-action reviews, you know, what was good, we sustained that, what needs improvement, what was bad about it. And we just learn from that. And you just continually learn and grow and grow professionally. And, you know, as a professional soldier and stuff like that. So I think as a professional, well, I'm not going to say I'm a professional

invest here, but as an investigator and as a researcher, I'm learning things and I'm growing from things. So if something gets to bunt, okay, we can close off that avenue and let's check this. So for me, it's just you know, keep it simple stupid, you know, KISS

and learn from that. And again, it's like I like hearing everybody's you know, what are you bringing to the table? What pictures have you found of structures or X's or tree bends or whatever? whatever they're making out there.

And like you said, you know, you say I'm humble. I just, I'm just a regular average, you know, everyday type of Joe. And I'm just looking to learn. That's what it all comes down to. I'm just looking to learn. Yeah. Well, I tend to agree with you on some of the things you shared and stuff. I, obviously, I really do look into the scriptures when it comes to a lot of these different

kind of things. And if they are some type of fallen. angel descendants of fallen angels, that would explain a lot of the paranoinally type of encounters that people are having with these bigfoot creatures. And there's a whole, I can go on and on and on about that, maybe for another time. But Eric, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing some of your experiences and some of the things that you're actually looking into now. I think this was a great time talking with you, man. I appreciate it.

Thanks, man. I appreciate you having me on the show. Right on, man. I'll talk to you later. All right, dude. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, there are three things you can do to help support this show.

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